Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Canon
Hey so I found this page floating around with no project on it, and it seemed more PB oriented than anything so I thought to pop it in here. Ik it's with the category of Role Play Phenomenon, and everything else from there has been deleted, but... couldn't it be revamped? I wanted to pose the question here of whether it should be deleted like the rest of the category, or made a part of PB and revamped/ add new stuff and such. Thoughts?

Yea, I agree with that. It is information for the reader and it should be in PB. 14:55, 4/22/2017 14:55, April 22, 2017 (UTC)ggC1ND3R_STR1P3

Me too. It does contain many PB-related articles. --  17:35, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think it should be revamped and made part of PB. 16:14 Sun May 7

It looks like everyone supports the page being revamped. Any other comments? 23:34 Sun May 14

Okay, looks like everyone agrees to revamping it. How should we go about it? I say we keep what's there + add the facts that we now take stuff from Kates blog and Vicky + add cites for the definition of canon from wikipedia, and maybe include a dropdown or some kind of image/graphic/template depicting the series, the canon books, or just something else significant. Just something book related to tie it to PB.

Head's up, I got a nice idea for this, but I'm at work and can't type it up. I'll comment more after my doctor's appointment later. Just letting y'all know to hold off for a little bit so I can chime in.

OKAY a few days late, but sorry, things came up. I think we could revamp the page, but I'm not totally sure what exactly we'd be taking from Kate's blog or Vicky's Facebook pages? Would we take them saying what information is canon and all of that? Because honestly, it wouldn't hurt to at least mention the role play aspect, but mention that this is a place for strict canon information only? Having a definition of what canon is, what counts as a valid canon source, ect, would be an excellent idea. I'm not sure, though, exactly how big you'd want this page to be? We could actually tie it into all projects and just keep it as a general "canonical information" page, or something along those lines... it doesn't have to be just for PB if all projects can benefit from it.

Ah yeah, I meant saying on the page that we take info from Kate's Blog/Vicky's Facebook as canon, and all of that. It'd almost act as a cite guide, even though it isn't really one. I like the idea of tying it into all of the projects, but I also think it should be linked to one project in particular to receive a silver grade. Perhaps that project should be PR instead of PB, though, if we're including more real life aspects than not.

Yes, that's basically what I meant. Although, if we're going to shift this to PR, I would highly suggest having everything ready first, due to PR often being forgotten and too small to get maybe more than a comment or two. A page like this should...really have more than one or two agreeing comments and an actual discussion. Icy is also without a computer for a little while, so I'd suggest also going to poke her once you've decided what to do with it, that way she knows to comment. Does anyone have a rough draft of what they'd want it to look like, or are we going to follow the layout used on other pages?

Poking my head in and mentioning I am still without a laptop so please don't yell at me. But may I be messaged once you all have a good idea of where the conversation is going? I will not be able to check the Wiki as often. 02:35, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah of course we can message you :)^^ My idea for the format was a version of Warriors Books in that we have a blurb up top that says something like 'Canon is what is considered real.. etc. and is determined by x, y, or z' and that we have different sections and sub-sections for each topic. Those topics could be like what cites we take, specifically which wording of cites we take from Vicky's Facebook and Kate's Blog, and then what counts from the books, erin hunter chats, etc. and stuff.

July FA
Any ideas?

Escape from the Forest?

That would work. ^ 19:19, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

Just gonna pop in and agree, since really only having two comments is probably not the best thing ever. =P PB's always been tiny though, so this isn't anything new. I mean, I could go for a more expanded summary, but that's me liking expansion, expansion, and more expansion, and always thinking there's room to extend an article's length.

CBV? 15:55 Tue Jun 20

Vote's up. 20:36 Sat Jun 24

Tallstar's Revenge/Chapter 2 - Silver Nomination
Credit to those who worked before me. I just kinda added some stuff to finish it.
 * " Heatherstar gives Aspenfall, Larksplash, and Cloudrunner the new apprentices, much to the tunnelers' anger, as they were promised an apprentice. " I'm a bit confused when you said "much to the tunnelers' anger". From reading on more it made a bit more sense but is it that Aspenfall, Larksplash, and Cloudrunner are the not-tunneler warriors or something? I just found that part kinda confusing.
 * "Plumclaw angrily asks why Heatherstar didn't tell them that they were not getting an apprentice, asking why they didn't respect them. Reedfeather responds, asking if they would have taken it more easily if they had told them." Why is it they, shouldn't it be "she" for Heatherstar? Or is it talking about a different group of cats?  13:34 Mon Jun 19

I'll make the top part more clear, but for the second part the first they is Heatherstar, Reedfeather, and just WindClan in general, I guess, and when Reedfeather says they, he is referring to both him and Heatherstar.

Fixed the first suggestion.

Actually, on the second point of Maple's in the first sentence - would you consider changing 'them' to 'the tunnelers' or something more descriptive? When you explain it, it makes sense, but at first read it isn't clear on who's referring to who. Then, you could make it ' Plumclaw angrily asks 'the WindClan deputy' ' to clarify that. If I remember correctly, it's only the tunnelers that were miffed at Heather and Reed. Also, 'asking' is kinda redundant there too, since it's used two sentences in a row in the same way.

Fixed?? I hope??

CBV?

Vote is up! 20:25 Sat Jun 24

Outcast/Chapter 3 - Silver Nomination
Lord, it's been ages since I've done one of these.

I think ya forgot the endspoiler template

Whoopsy. It's been fixed. Can't remember for the life of me where it goes though, so if someone else finds issue with where I put it, they can move it.


 * In this sentence: ":After the ceremony, Hollypaw is approached by Brackenfur, who says that Firestar wants Hollypaw and Brackenfur to join the Clan leader on the evening patrol." both Hollypaw and Brackenfur sound redundant imo, maybe just say 'them' instead of 'Hollypaw and Bracenfur'.
 * In the 3-rd-to-last paragraph, could you link 'lake' to The Lake or The Lake Territories? 13:48 Mon Jun 19

Fixed. Sorry about that; writing when you're half-asleep leads to some funny repeating moments. I also think I had two different ideas floating in my head with the Holly and Bracken thing.

Leafpool's Wish/Chapter 5 - Silver Nomination
Why is Leafpool so problematic + credit to those who worked on it before me.


 * "The tabby acts like that was her motive, but Brightheart declines her offer and leaves her den, leaving Leafpool feeling alone." when it says 'her motive', whose motive is it referring to, Brightheart or Leafpool? Is leafpool asking brightheart to be her apprentice, since Brightheart declines her offer? I found it a little confusing.
 * "Leafpool notices a swelling on the white cat's face, and she asked if the hare had struck her. Thornclaw revealed that it had," idk if it's a mistake and supposed to be "Thornclaw reveals" or if Cloudtail is explaining how Thornclaw told him that earlier,
 * In the 2nd half of the 3rd paragraph, 'Whitepaw' is redundant,
 * Also, throughout the chapter there were a lot of short "choppy" sentences that could have been combined, could you combine some of these? 16:57 Mon Jun 19

Also, Nightcloud and Yellowfang need to be added to the characters list as minor and mentioned. And I'm not sure if Whitepaw dislocating her tail would be an important event... 16:59 Mon Jun 19

Fixed, and I swear I added Nightcloud and Yellowfang, I don't know what happened? Blah

CBV?

Vote's up! 20:27 Sat Jun 24

Outcast/Chapter 15 ~ Silver Nomination
Let's see if I can finally finish up the rest of these Outcast chapters. Comments? 18:56 Sun Jun 18

The bold shows corrections. 20:44, June 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * [[ Lionblaze|Lionpaw ]]
 * "The others had finished resting and are getting to their paws, and Lionpaw leaps down from the outcrop to join them."
 * "The cats come to the edge of the forest as the sun sets; ahead, Lionpaw can see a stretch of grass sloping down into a narrow valley, with trees on the far side, and mountains farther beyond."
 * "The two toms come back and settle down to share their prey."
 * "Lionpaw pulls away, embarrassed at the clumsy kill, and pads back to the edge of the trees."
 * "Hollypaw and Jaypaw are all ready to eat (or already ate), and the former wishes they could stay there longer, as there is a lot of prey."
 * "However, his ears prick as he hears Breezepaw's voice, coming from a dip in the ground just beyond the tree branches."
 * "The black apprentice objects that the Clans seemed to have helped them enough already, but his father sighs that Breezepaw will never understand loyalty."

Updated Thanks for pointing all of those out. btw if you would rather edit it and change it yourself I'm fine with that, I'd guess it's annoying to write down all the mistakes. 21:09 Mon Jun 19

CBV?

Vote's up. 20:29 Sat Jun 24

Outcast/Chapter 21 ~ Silver Nomination
I wonder where I'm getting the motivation and inspiration to write all of these from lol... Comments? 20:21 Sun Jun 18

CBV?

CBV?

Spooky you CBV'ed that twice so I made the vote and vote's up... 20:33 Sat Jun 24

Shattered Sky/Chapter 4 - Silver Nomination
Apparently everyone decides to appear on page 49.

Remove the stub template, and could you add a main quote?

Fixed
 * "Alderheart assures Briarlight that Twigpaw would go back and visit," Wouldn't it be come back and visit? I'm not sure, but since they are in the medicine den as that is happening I think it would be come back.
 * "She recites the kits' names, Stemkit, Eaglekit, Plumkit, and Shellkit, and says that they had such beautiful names"  I think there would be a : after names instead of a comma since it's listing the kits but I'm not sure
 * "Alderheart steps outside the medicine cat den and spots Purdy and remembers that Purdy had a bellyache." Purdy is redundant
 * "His vision begins to blur, and he realizes that he is tired, and tells Jayfeather that he is wanted, going over to the apprentices' den to sleep." This sentence is a bit long imo, I think it would sound better if split into 2 sentences.
 * Change 'unknown gray tom' in the characters list to 'hawkwing (Unnamed)'
 * Add Violetpaw and Needletail as a mentioned character
 * Maybe add Pebbleshine as a mentioned character (Unnamed) because it says "Excitement rushes through the ginger tom, thinking that even though Twigpaw and Violetpaw's mother are assumed dead, " 12:54 Tue Jun 20

Fixed

CBV?

Outcast/Chapter 22 ~ Silver Nomination
<span style="">22:23 Mon Jun 19


 * Now, stars glitter overhead and Stoneteller stands a tail-length away, back to Jaypaw. I feel like it should be "his back to Jaypaw," so as to not cause confusion.
 * Jaypaw is surprised at how the Tribe of Endless cat recognizes him, but the cat tells him to follow. It's supposed to be Tribe of Endless Hunting.
 * He easily jumps and sees that he is in a silent stone hollow, similar to the ThunderClan camp, except for that its sides are sheer and much taller. "for" isn't needed, and makes the sentence sound weird.
 * The former doesn't answer, and a different, brighter spirit from farther around the pool demands the tabby cat why he brought the apprentice. I feel like there's something missing here, can you add something in?
 * Two cats who bare recent wounds rise and pad around the pool to Jaypaw. "Bear", not "bare"
 * The other wounder cat takes a pace forward, his neck fur bristling, and disagrees that the only way to do that is to make the Tribe more Clan-like, which isn't their wish. "Wounded"
 * He questions where the trespassers are taking prey, where they are fighting with eh Tribe, and where there camp is. "the"

I think that's it. Don't worry, I don't mind doing this.

Updated I'm not exactly sure what you meant in the 4th bullet point by 'add something', I hope it's better now? <span style="">00:01 Thu Jun 22

For that fourth bullet, I feel like they meant to say that perhaps it should be something like .. "demands to know why the tabby brought the apprentice" or somewhat. At read, it feels like it's missing a verb or something

Updated <span style="">10:19 Fri Jun 23

Midnight (Book)/Chapter 12 - Silver Nomination
23:29, June 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * "Sandstorm points out that the ginger tom may have caused them to not come back with the harsh way he spoke to them. The ginger tom anxiously responds that he was just worried about the fire and tiger omen." 'The ginger tom' is redundant
 * Maybe link 'forest' in the 2nd-to-last paragraph to The Forest Territories or The Forest Territories? <span style="">20:24 Thu Jun 22

Updated. 20:32, June 22, 2017 (UTC)

Bluestar's Prophecy/Chapter 45 - Silver Nomination
whoooo boy
 * "Spottedleaf appears, and Bluestar asks the medicine cat how Mousefur is. She responds by saying that the warrior's wounds are deep, but will heal, and all the other injured cats will survive." Since both Spottedleaf or Bluestar could be the she, could you say 'the former' or 'the medicine cat' or something?
 * "The leader adds another question, asking what if that's not enough." Idk it might just be me but I had a hard time understanding this sentence at first since it says 'asking what if' which imo just sounds kinda odd. Maybe say "worrying that it's not enough" or "asking if that's enough?" or something?
 * "She talks about how she saw a kittypet on a fence today, and thought he looked like he'd be a good Clan warrior." Again, it's confusing on who the she is.
 * "She adds that StarClan light her path, always." Maybe change that to "she wishes that StarClan lights her path" or something. (or "StarClan lights her path" if it's just a mistake)
 * I think Important Events normally goes after the characters list
 * Brindleface and Lionheart should be in the minor characters list <span style="">10:54 Fri Jun 23

Fixed I thought it didn't matter which came first?

I don't think it really matters much but it's like that in all the other subpages so I think it's better if they all have the same order. Also, in the quote it says "A message from StarClan,...Fire alone can save our Clan." Is the comma supposed to be there? I'm not sure if it is so I wanted to point it out if it's a mistake. <span style="">10:46 Sat Jun 24

It is supposed to be there, as there's a pause before Spottedleaf begins speaking again. I can remove the comma if you'd like.

I just looked at the chapter and I think you don't need the "..." or the comma since all it says is that a distant look comes into her eyes. I think you could just do "A message from StarClan. Fire alone can save our Clan." At least that's what I always do... <span style="">06:58 Sun Jun 25

Okay fixed

Shattered Sky/Chapter 22 ~ Silver Nomination
Warrior Wikians, I present to you the denouement of Shattered Sky.

"The apprentice is also unable to sleep, thinking about the horrific death of Onestar. She follows Alderheart into the nursery, and notes that Tinycloud is close to kitting." I thought this part was kinda confusing, it says she is thinking about Onestar's death, then she follows Alderheart into the nursery, but it didn't mention anything about Alderheart or the nursery or anything earlier. <span style="">10:38 Fri Jun 23

Fixed I think?

Chapter Subpages
I may get a lot of blowback over this, but this is something I think needs to be addressed. I would like to ask all the people who go and create chapter subpages for an entire book - all 22 chapters - yet do not plan on making them / creating them / editing them / finishing them to kindly stop. I do not know what the rest of you think, but if people are making so many of these pages that are most likely going to stay blank for a while what is the point of making them? They are just empty content articles and half the time I see chapter subpages with no format whatsoever, without even a point of view listed. Lately we have been getting a lot better with editing the subpages and that I approve of and am very glad in that, but I just want to state that we should not be creating so many chapter subpages in one go if we just plan on leaving them there and not touching them after. What do the rest of you think? 02:33, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you. I do sometimes make subpages with the intention of finishing/starting them, and forget/lose inspiration, but if people create subpages with absolutely zero intention of adding content, what's the point of those pages even existing for now?

Totally agree. I've said a few words to people already in the past about this, actually. Many people don't even make them with the right formatting, and it really looks like they're just doing it for an edit count bump. If you're an active person who creates them then fills at least most of what you create in, then that's perfect :). But yeah, we really shouldn't have a bunch of blanks around.

I completely agree ^^^. I think it's pointless to even make the page at all unless you will write it or add a character list. It just creates a bunch of stubs and makes it harder to find out which subpages need to be written. <span style="">10:25 Fri Jun 23

Can we agree to give a warning to people who we see constantly making subpages but never end up putting anything in them? I have to agree with Spooky, I believe people are doing this for edits, and I agree with Maple when it clutters the wiki up with no content in them. 01:33, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and as Maple said, the empty pages just make it harder to find unwritten subpages. 01:37, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

I would think it would have gone without saying to not make subpages if you have zero intentions of working on them.... while a warning might be a bit too much for one or two accidents, if it's them constantly doing it, then we might have to step in on more official notes.

I think it's okay if a user just makes, say, one chapter subpage at a time every once in a while that they forgot to fill out. However, I do think that someone should step in and warn them when they're making 3+ at a time, or when they make 2 or so at a time multiple times, without making any move to fill out any summaries. 20:22, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

I think if a user makes a chapter subpage or two with absolutely no content, format, templates, anything, someone should leave a message on their talk page reminding them to follow the guidelines on how to create a subpage. If a user creates several subpages, templates or not, and has absolutely no intention of adding onto them, they should also get a message on their talk, explaining the points above on how it makes it harder to keep track of unfinished pages and all.

Code of the Clans/Code 4 ~ Silver Nomination
Short and easy. :) 01:33, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

If there were no mentioned characters, could you just remove the mentioned section?

'''Fixed! ''' 02:12, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

Mind adding a quote? There's a few good ones in there, and I think it would be a good addition to have one

'''Fixed! ''' 22:09, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

"Lilystar asks if it's true. Driftkit tells her that it is, and Splashnose tries to defend her kit. Lilystar scolds the tabby kit." I The 1st and 3rd sentence here seem choppy and short, maybe you could combine these three into 2 sentences. Also, "kit" is redundant since it appears in the 2nd and 3rd sentence. <span style="">07:06 Sun Jun 25

Fixed! 16:50, June 25, 2017 (UTC)

Bluestar's Prophecy/Chapter 43 - Silver Nomination
In the first few sentences, 'she' is redundant.

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