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Deputy Blanks - For Approval
having trouble with the tails :// 22:18 Sun Jan 24

I can give you a redline if youd like splook? Also the back legs feet are bothering me. Perhaps i can show you what would look best in the redline as well? 22:54, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Tip for the tails, most of the time a cats tail will curl away from their body or lie flat on the ground 23:09, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

I suck at explaining things, so here. I can't quite figure out how to explain how to fix the legs though, and I can't figure out a redline for it. idk 23:34, 01/24/2016

Make the hind paws thicker and the knees should be more well-rounded.

A few suggestions, feel free to ignore them.  17:51 Wed Jan 27 

the blanks are a little too small --Belllastar (talk) 00:21, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, they're not. o.o They're about the same size as many of the other blanks we have on here.

The necks look thin to me. However, only tweak it if you feel that you need to. — ☆ ﻿paper  ·  finches  ★  17:54, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

reuploaded. I did a whole new tail placement that was suggested. I think it's working for the shorthaired, but does the longhair look alright? 02:13 Sun Jan 31

It looks fine to me^^ but I think you can add some more tufts on the back of the tail?

The way the fur swoops up on the chest of the long-haired looks a little too cartoonish compared to the other blanks, at least in my opinion. Consider smoothing that out/making it more realistically fluffy, if that makes sense? It looks cool, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it fits the style of the other blanks. Jayie Unwritten words~ 23:08, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Could you add more "fur lines" on the long hair's tail?

Define the shoulder more and add some more to the lower jaw? 07:05, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

This isn't meant to rush you, but here's a reminder to upload the blanks! I know you're busy, but giving the section a nudge wouldn't hurt... I think. =P Given that you are not bound by the one-week upload limit, this is nothing other than a courtesy or something. I'd say "friendly reminder", but that's usually used in a mocking tone, and you know that's not what I mean.

reuploaded. my apologies with the delay. my new classes for the semester keep me busy on weeknights. 01:06 Sat Feb 6

Comments before approval? 08:40, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The gap between the hind leg and the hind foot reminds me too much of a rabbit... 09:10, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The curved line at the shoulder looks akward can I ask why it is there? 14:56, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The hindlegs of both the short-haired and long-haired have different lengths to them. I suggest fixing them so they match?

I'm sorry for the massive nitpicky comment, but could you make the shoulder a bit wider, thin out the lines on the front toes some (and maybe shorten them),move the toe on the back foot backwards a tiny bit, move the far back leg forward a bit, make the close haunch attach to the leg a bit lower down, add a tiny bit more fluff to the bottom of the longhair's chest and haunch, make the far front foot a little wider, shorten the shorthair tail a tad, make the gap between the upper and lower whisker a bit wider and make the back of the heads attach to the neck a bit higher up (or the jaw a bit lower)? If you don't get what I mean, I'll gladly give a redline to show you. Most of this is optional.  16:01 Sat Feb 6 

It doesn't look like a rabbit, Sagestream, and if it does, can you please tell her what to do, instead of just telling her what you think it looks like? 19:32, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

A redline would be really helpful, Shinx :) Sometimes I get lost on what to do from just reading the text 19:34 Sat Feb 6

Alright, then i think maybe you should shorten the gap between the leg and the foot. it just looks a bit awkward. 02:58, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

I already said that Sage :P Anyway, hope this helps.  10:53 Sun Feb 7 

I think the tail could be raised a few pixels up on the back of the cat, and the neck needs to be thickened a bit ( http://prntscr.com/a1872f ), and the raised paw should be backed up a few pixels and made smaller. The tum could be dropped a pixel or two, and the ears made a bit neater. The longhair should probably have long fur all the way up to the chin too, as well as the shoulder being fuzzy. 23:45, 02/9/2016

reuploaded. thanks so much, i think they look a lot better now. 02:41 Tue Feb 16

Comments before approval? 03:59, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Add white to the chararts so they look like the other blanks. Great job! ^_^

Sorry for bothering you again but could you add a little bit more fluff to the bottom of the longhair's chest while you're at it? Just one or two lines will do.  16:58 Tue Feb 16 

Can I ask why the blanks have to be white? 17:29 16/2/16

It's just below the lineart, Velvet. All of the other blanks have that, so I don't see why these shouldn't. That can be added afterwards, though. And I said the same thing on Skype that I'm gonna say now, the feet are a bit too... flat, for lack of a better word. Using what Berry also said to me, a cat usually walks on their toes, so the only way they'd be completely flat is if they're sitting.

As I said on Skype, the picture Splook based this off has the cat in the exact same pose with her legs on the ground. In fact, my cats' legs are on the ground when she's asking for food in the same position. :/ 04:29, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

The back legs would be up in the air a little bit, as per Skye. Cats do in fact walk on their toesies. 12:47, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Also sorry foe edit spam but the whiskers that are going <== this way off the blank sre bothering me, since the other whiskers are flat against the side of the face. Basically get rid of those whiskers 12:49, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think the back legs are fine. I have seen my cat and if you google images of a cat you will find some in this position or with their feet in that position. Just because it's not common doesn't make it inaccurate. 21:03, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Exactly, Velvet. You bring up an amazing point. Anyways, here's a picture of the legs Splook used: They're not on their toes. Splook's legs are fine. 01:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

If someone would like to argue the opposite, may you please draw a redline and show me what it would look like if the legs were altered? 02:05 Thu Feb 18

No, you don't need to change it becuase it's fine. I provided proof that cats legs cna look like it and in general, they can. 02:06, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Hey now, chill. She asked for a redline to see what they'd look like, and there's nothing wrong with that. If she chooses to not do so after the redline is given, then that's fine. But since she did ask for one to support the argument against her, then I think she should be given one. (I can't redline, sorry)

I'm not particularly bothered what happens with the back legs, but is this what you guys had in mind?  15:18 Thu Feb 18 

I can do a redline later, but for now, I'd agree with what others are saying and say that something with the back legs needs to be changed. Yes, cats can lower themselves entirely on the "heel" of their leg (for lack of a better term). But the upper part of the leg would be more stretched out if that were the case, because if the rear is that high in the air, the leg needs to stretch out to compensate for the lower part of the leg being on the ground. You can see it in the picture Icy provided; yes, the lower leg is all on the ground, and you can see how the rear end doesn't appear to be low to the ground, but closer to even with the shoulders. But you can see how the "thigh" (I really don't know the proper words for cat anatomy) is stretch out, not rounded and curled up like drawn here, because it has to stretch out to account for the height lost from the lower leg being on the ground. I probably rambled too much and didn't explain myself very clearly, but I'll do a redline later that will hopefully make what I'm trying to say here clearer. ^^ That, or you could go the direction that Shinx is suggesting and take the lower leg off the ground entirely, so you can keep the bend to the upper leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:51, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Almost a week later. XD http://www.ezimba.com/work/160224C/ezimba11244534222500.png Here's a redline for the legs/back. But I'm not sure I did it totally right. Splook, could you post a link to the full picture you used for a reference, by chance? It might help me figure out how to redline it better, if I can see how low down the back was and such. Anyway, if not, hope this helps. ^^ Jayie  Unwritten words~ 17:11, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

If I'm allowed to ask what's wrong with the old deputy blanks?— Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 17:12, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Anatomy issues, mostly. There was a vote on whether or not to redo them and it passed.  <span style="">17:44 Tue Feb 23 

Uhh... I've been thinking about trying to do some of the deputy poses, even though I'm just a kit, so now I'm wondering: are these blanks actually done? I'm having trouble telling XD --Warriorcat1195 (talk) 21:17, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Nope, they're still waiting for be approved.  <span style="">21:26 Wed Feb 24 

They aren't approved yet so /please/ don't rush her. She's also uploading it tonight anyways. 15:11, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'm gonna be "that person", but these really do need to be uploaded soon. She's only uploaded twice in February, and while I understand that life can be hell, only uploading twice in a 30 day period isn't quite the best thing. It's not fair to anyone to just have these sit without any activity. Sorry if this is coming off as rude, but I do have a job to do as leader.

reuploaded. Used Jayie's technique with the leg, hope it's fine.

Alright, I deeply apologize for the lack of uploads, but I am really busy. I am swamped with bookwork and studying every single night, and frankly, the wiki is the last thing on my mind at the moment. I know how eager you guys are to do art, and I'm sorry that it's taking this long, but I'm trying my best. I'm not trying to preach at how busy I am or whatever, nor am I defending myself for not uploading, but I'm really trying to cope with all my schoolwork, home things, and this responsibility. I'm working to get these approved, and I'm not going to give up, so please bare with me.

Once again, very sorry, and I'm trying my hardest to go in some sort of direction with the back leg. <span style="">01:53 Tue Mar 1

I'm sure I'll relate to you next year, and I'm scared. But aside from the hind leg being too flat (I wouldn't think that'd be a difficult) I think it looks perfectly fine. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 01:56, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by "too flat"? It's on the ground and she was using the examples the others gave her. 02:00, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to all of this conversation. I just read some of this, so, uh, nvm (shy chuckle)Warriorcat1195 (talk) 02:20, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

The angle of the lower leg is definitely better. :)Though the lower leg seems too thin now compared to the front legs. The hip is still too rounded - with how stretched out it is, it should be less filled out, and the line should be flatter. I can do another redline for the shorthair, but I show what I meant for that on the longhair redline. The belly line is too far up on both blanks; there isn't enough room to fit the cat's ribcage and belly. Lower it, and make it jut up less on the longhair, if that makes sense. Again, I show it in my redline, but I can redo it/do one for the shorthair/explain myself more clearly if you want. If it's possible, I would really like to see the image you used as a reference (the full image, not the partial image of the legs that Icy posted). It would really help if I could see what you were trying to reference to be able to explain my critiques. I hope that made sense... Jayie  Unwritten words~ 05:29, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

The back legs are not anatomically correct at all tbh. I sent you a redline on skype splook. Also remove the whiskers on the front of the muzzle they shouldnt be showing if the others are going backwards 23:01, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'm getting conflicting opinions on the back legs again. Which do I follow now? <span style="">23:53 Tue Mar 1

The redline jayie provided here, I think. The haunch is much thinner and closer to the bum and less round... That's how it'd be in a cat standing like this. In addition to that, the longhair's tail should look more like that at the top, as it looks unnatural rn. <span style="">00:22, 03/2/2016

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but it would make it a lot easier to show what I meant if you gave the link for your reference... I saw the partial picture Icy provided, and I was having trouble telling the position of the back and the other hind leg were from that partial shot. Jayie Unwritten words~ 03:50, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I believe this is the image you used as reference from looking at the picture Icy posted I found what I believe is it. 18:24, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

can you move the tails more to the left slightly? they look much too long and stretched out at the base of the tail as they are right now, especially the longhaired one. and I'm probably just being picky with this one but maybe move them up a couple pixels too, they seem too...low? 16:05, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Velvetmoon. :) After looking at the reference image, I made this redline. Hope this helps: http://www.ezimba.com/work/160306C/ezimba11244574207200.png Jayie  Unwritten words~ 18:37, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

reuploaded. thank you so much jayie! there's probably still issues with the longhair's tail since i had to redo it to put it closer to the body, as well as some other minor things, but it's getting there, lol. <span style="">02:33 Sun Mar 6

No problem. :) The belly is still much too thin on both, and there's a few other little changes. I made a new redline for both the longhair and the shorthair: http://www.ezimba.com/work/160307C/ezimba11244514440400.png http://www.ezimba.com/work/160307C/ezimba11244520061500.png Hope they help. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 21:45, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

I feel like the tip of the long hairs tail is drooping to much but know looking at jayie's redline I think that will fix it though. 18:54, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

No I haven't forgotten about these. Sorry if it sounds like I'm full of excuses but on monday I started drum major tryouts which takes about 3 hours after school of physical exercise. I'm coming home completely exhausted, extremely sore, doing my schoolwork, and then going to bed. Tryouts will be done next Thursday and I would really appreciate your patience with me. Just letting you know that I haven't forgotten about this. I promise I'll get to them. Thanks again. -- <span style="">23:07 Thu Mar 17

Splook, if it makes you feel better I think this looks amazing, and tbh I have no clue how anyone is spotting such minor flaws! Warriorcat1195 (talk) 16:48, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

The back looks a little short; maybe add some more "weight" in lack of a better term  to the haunches  08:25, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry if this has already been pointed out, but I don't think the entire foot should be flat on the back legs. The heels should be raised off the ground a little. I can't describe it any better than that, I'm sorry. <span style="">11:29 Sun Mar 20

reuploaded hope i did things okay? i wasn't too sure what to do about the back so i just made it more rounder and even, and as for the paws, the legs are at a kind of an angle anyways so i didn't know how to address that, but if anyone has any tips then i'd appreciate it. also i just realized i forgot to edit the bellies and i'll do that tomorrow. i appreciate everyone's patience with me, sorry again. <span style="">00:43 Sat Mar 26

reuploaded fixed bellies <span style="">20:17 Sun Mar 27

shouldn't the tails be in the same position? 20:28, March 27, 2016 (UTC)

Make the raised front paw a little bit smaller, they're pretty big compared to the others. <span style="">20:29, 03/27/2016

I think these are very well-made lines! Maybe, fix the longhair's tail a little bit. --Falcon 49 (talk) 13:50, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

reuploaded, sorry about the wait, i was in arizona for a week. personally, i think the longhair's tails are fine. <span style="">22:16 Wed Apr 6

Hopefully my last thing - the elbow/shoulder part feels too thick on both. I made that correction on my last set of redlines and moved the elbow-line over to the left to make it seem less thick, could you make that change on both? And also like on my last set of redlines, on the longhair, can you make the fluff more thick on the neck/throat and less thick on the chest? Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:33, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think the front (<-- part) of closer-to-us (left) shoulder on the shorthair seems to be jutting out a bit too much. <span style="">22:41 Wed Apr 6

http://prntscr.com/ap21i5 Some suggestions. Basically, round the chest on the shorthair more, round that heel more, make the haunch line shorter, over to the right some, and more rounded, and define that shoulder. <span style="">22:44, 04/6/2016

Actually, I think the bend of the haunch and the position of the front leg are fine, considering they're positioned like in the picture that was used as a reference for this: http://prntscr.com/ap21i5 But maybe that's just me... Jayie Unwritten words~ 00:14, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

I understand that's what it looks like in the picture, but it's unnatural looking when it's a blank; that's just the way blanks are tbh, you have to alter them to make them look naturally positioned, because simple 2D lines can't capture the depth and crap of the actual image. <span style="">00:29, 04/9/2016

I don't think it looks unnnatural. That's how it realistically looks, and it works. I get that 2D lines can't always show the complexities of texture and such, but the line is pretty clearly defined of were the bend of that hip is, and I don't think it makes sense to deviate from that claiming it looks unrealistic when it's there in the actual real-life photo. Jayie Unwritten words~ 02:23, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Well, the longhair's tail is thinner in the middle than at the beginning --Falcon 49 (talk) 07:55, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

I think the tails look fine but I agree the legs look sharp too sharp to be natural. I think you should just smooth out the lines. 09:45, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Still working? formality question, that's all;;; no shooting me

reuploaded, sorry, super stressed atm. <span style="">16:55 Sat Apr 23

very minor detail but the head lineart on the longhair is leaking into the ear, I think. 17:12, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

crop the image

reuploaded i'm really sorry, but you've heard it all before. just know that i'm really trying my hardest to manage everything. <span style="">00:26 Sun May 15

Comments before approval? 18:03, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

It might just be me, but the right (farther from us) hind leg seems like it should be moved to the left of the image a bit if that would be possible (at least for the short-haired). When I look at the top of the back right leg it looks like it wouldn't connect with where the tail starts. I'm sorry if that made no sense I'm awful at explaining. <span style="">01:46 Mon May 16

It's based off of a real picture - the link is in one of the above comments, so it's actually fine because it's based on the picture. 01:49, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

It's been brought up multiple times by multiple people; it is clearly not fine, given that people of varying skill level and ability have all said this.

On the longhaired, could you uncurve the haunch line at the top a little? It seems like it's pointing more inwards than the shorthaired one by a few pixels

Frog (Ro) (Star)- For Approval
Big thx for the files Shinx 18:25, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Since they're deceased shouldn't he have the regular charart. As said by Jayfeather, once Jayfeather is in StarClan he can see so shouldn't this classify all the injured or crippled cats? — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 19:11, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

do you have proof he was ever healed? if not it's an assumption. 19:23, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Yep what Trlly said. Define the shading on the tail 19:35, May 9, 2016 (UTC)

Wow that's really good Sziri! Lighten up the tailtip a little bit and maybe leave a little darkness to the side.

Thanks c: 16:07, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

lighten his tailtip to more of a white to match his other images as well as darken shading. — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:08, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Mink, I'm pretty sure Sziri has the file with the proper colors. If she makes it brighter, the colors won't match.

Re-ups Redid the shading 18:27, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Comments? 22:24, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading on the back and tail. 01:13, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Re-ups 19:31, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Could you add some shading on <== this ear and lighten the shading on ==> this side?

Smokepaw (NP)(Star) ~ For Approval
Kill this shading;; I'll fix the little bit of leakage between the paws next upload

((am  i  even allowed to critique  i'm  not technically in this project anymore lmao)) define and smooth out shading everywhere + maybe dull down  earpink  a little ^^ 08:52, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded I've taken the ear pink from the apprentice, so rather than dulling it I blurred it more and added a few tufts of fur to the right ear

Define the shading a bit more overall, and smooth it out on the main body. 23:32, May 13, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Can you define it a tiny bit more? 18:04, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded

The shading could be smoothed out a bit more on the chest and leg closest to us. <span style="">23:48 Sun May 15

Reuploaded

The nose should be gray or almost black, like and .--Falcon 49 (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded Fixed, although I did leave a slight tint behind but I don't think it's too noticeable and can fix it if needed.

Well, it is quite noticeable since the nose in the other images is black, not dark pink. However it is much better now.The rest is ok--Falcon 49 (talk) 20:58, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Mistfeather (Kit) ~ For Approval
Idk about the texture, I didn't know how it was done on the other images. Comments? <span style="">03:44 Sun May 15

I'm pretty sure the shading was tinted a little blue, or that's what it seemed like when I looked at the file for the warrior

Give the shading some depth on the tail. <span style="">23:47 Sun May 15

Reuploaded Spooky I don't think that the tints have to be the same for the images. I might be wrong though. <span style="">01:37 Mon May 16

Well, actually the whole image has a layer of tinted-blue texturing under a white texture layer, so that at least should match as it gives off a certain effect since it's not totally gray as said here.

I don't think shading tint has to match, right?

Lighten the tailtip