Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

For Example

 * 1) Silverstream and Graystripe
 * 2) Leafpool and crowfeather
 * 3) Bluestar and Browentail
 * 4) Redtail and gopentail
 * 5) Redtail and Hollyleaf

There are many resons cats brake up, such as:

 * 1) If one cat dies, the other cats will take a new mate.
 * 2) If there not just right for eachother.
 * 3) If one gets upset they might refuse to be together.

Murders\ Cheets

 * 1) Browentail always has been cheeting on Bluestar, is other mate was Dovepaw, he liked Dovpaw more, so he disided to kill Bluestar. Redtail has been cheeting on Gopentail and Hollyleaf. Hollyleaf and Gopentail figerd out that redtail was cheeting, so they killed him.

Seacrets

 * 1)  Scourge did not kill Firestar, Hollyleaf did. When Hollyleaf was walking through the forest, firestar jumped on her and started to mate. She ran out of the forest to clan camp and told Brockenfeather. She had a confersation, about (LOVE). She ran back to the forest and attacked Firestar and killed him.
 * 2) Tigerstar had a relatoin ship with Sasha, Also did (SCOURGE.) Scourge had mated with Sasha but then broke up for a wile of time. Soon Tigerstar learned about this. When Scourge was sleeping, tigerstar sliped into his camp and killed him.

Badgerpaw - Badgerfang?
K, I know probably no one's read it yet, but after Badgerpaw's death, they refer to him as Badgerfang, at least more than once. Would this be enough to have him renamed as Badgerfang? 00:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oooooooh, would that mean he gets a warrior image as well? xD That would be amazing. Anyways, if he's //called// Badgerfang, then I don't see why not. As long as it can be cited... and I used the browse inside and found at least three mentions. That's good enough for me.

Sorry, but I don't think that that's enough, he never had a ceremony, and it was basically a nickname. If we did that, then we might as well make Heathertail a leader charart and categorize her as a leader, from the game she was playing when she was an apprentice. Sorry, but that's my opinion. =3 00:42, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I'm finished reading the book, I think his page should be renamed, after his death they only call him Badgerfang. 21:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

That still doesn't make it more than an honored nickname. Badgerpaw died an apprentice, technically still a kit. Unless he was seen in StarClan as a warrior and there he answers to the name Badgerfang or something, I wouldn't change his page name. 22:39, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I say no as well. There was no ceremony; Flintfang only called him Badgerfang after he died. Just because Yellowfang (wow, a lot of -fangs here) called him Badgerfang does not mean that it is his official name. It was done to honour him. 02:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Flintfang does say, however, that he gave him his warrior name before he died. It doesn't say a nickname, or anything of the sort. It actually says his warrior name.

Well I haven't read it to really understand the situation enough, but if it really did say what cloudy said, then I'd fully support making that his name. 18:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, so what the heck would his rank be after that? I don't believe he was ever made an official warrior, even if he got a new name, however he did get the name. And currently he has a switch template between kit and apprentice, since he was still kit age. So would he have a switch between warrior and kit then? Or all three? o.o 19:15, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I read that part today, and I fully believe that he should be considered a warrior. A medicine cat's word is about as law-abiding as a leader or deputy, and Flintfang asked her if it was ok, in which she replied that it was, and no cat questioned them. I think that even Brokenstar nodded his head in agreement. 23:16, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that he could be renamed so that he is 'Badgerfang', but I'm not sure about the image situation. 01:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

If he would get the page renamed then I think he deserves a warrior image. x3 04:34, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well after thinking this through a bit, I think he definitely should get a warrior image if we're changing his pagename and listing him with a warrior name. The question is, he was still a kit, not even apprentice age, so what should be done about his switch template he has now? Should it switch between kit and warrior? 18:56, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure a switch between a kit and warrior would be best. 00:30, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt's Mentor
Okay, even though I joined 5 minutes ago this seems important to me, in Battles of the Clans Cloudpelt's mentor is Crowtail, while in Yellowfang's Secret it is Raggedstar. Currently his mentor is Crowtail and Raggedstar's mentorship is a mistake. On Crowtail's page Cloudpelt is her apprentice. It has been disproved by Yellowfang's Secret that Brokenstar is Raggedstar's apprentice, and on Raggedstar's page Cloudpelt is his apprentice and not Brokenstar. If Brokenstar is not his apprentice then Cloudpelt needs to be, or vice-versa, because if both aren't then Raggedstar dosen't have the one apprentice requirement for leader. On Brokenstars page Nightpelt and Raggedstar are listed as mentors, while it should be only one. On Nightpelt's page it lists Brokenstar as his apprentice. We need to decide which to trust, Secrets of the Clans and Battles of the Clans, or Yellowfang's Secret. I think we should change it to the way it's listed in Yellowfang's Secret way because Secrets of the Clans has had mistakes before. Comments and opinions? I rambled a while, I know. 03:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky told us through a Facebook comment to trust the super editions more than the field guides. I think, based upon that knowlege, we should list it as Raggedstar. 03:14, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I never knew about the post, but I knew the field guides were wrong. Battles of the Clans explains why Crowtail's and Cloudpelt's are wrong, but I don't know about the others. 03:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if they were seen in a book about their Clan that it should stay the way they were most often seen, which, in Cloudpelt's case is Raggedstar, and Brokenstar's is Nightstar. x3 11:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll go change it, since everybody seems to agree. 22:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

...It's been a day since you've posted this, only three people have commented of which includes you and this project has 19 listed members. 22:37, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh.. Okay, I'm new at this. I'll change it back. Sorry! 23:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

If Vicky said to trust the super editions, then we should. I agree that we should put Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 23:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that Raggedstar is Cloudpelt's mentor. The field guides have too many mistakes; we should follow along with the super editions, not just because Vicky said so, but because there's way more true fact in them than the SE's. :3 08:12 Thu Oct 18

Yes, with the super editions we have way more proof of what was real, and they go into more depth about the characters, instead of just stating things like in a short story, so I agree that we should state Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 01:45, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Or you could, you know, list both. Like I did on Russetfur's page. Not that hard. And make a mention of it in the trivia. Even if the SE's are more reliable, we gotta be impartial in this I believe. 20:30, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Listing both, like on Brokenstar's page as well, seems fine. Just make sure it's mentioned in the trivia. 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since they're both official, we can't trust one over the other in any circumstance. I'm fine with both being listed. However, shouldn't it be like with descriptions? Most common should be the one used, or first if used equally. That'd make it Raggedstar I believe. But again, I have no problems with both being listed. 21:21, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, now I think that we should list both. 04:36, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Making Assumptions for the Status Template?
Recently, I've noticed that many characters have deceased, suspected StarClan member on their status template, even though, for many, their deaths were never seen or mentioned. They just stopped showing up. It's perfectly possible that they didn't die. I know it's been a long time between Yellowfang's Secret/Crookedstar's Promise/Bluestar's Prophecy and The Last Hope, but who knows? A cat might have left the Clan to become a kittypet. My cat lived to be eighteen, and I know some domestic cats can live even longer, so a warrior could definitely still be alive.

(I don't know if this is going to be really, really long, but I've made a complete list of every character this applies to because it needs to be done eventually: Beetlenose, Birdsong, Brackenfoot, Brightflower, Brownpaw, Cedarpelt, Dawncloud, Dawnbright, Deerfoot, Echomist, Fallowtail, Featherstorm, Frogleap, Fuzzypelt, Grasskit (CP), Lakeshine, Mallowtail, Morningflower, Mudclaw (SC), Newtspeck, Nutwhisker, Ottersplash, Owlfur, Petaldust, Piketooth, Poolcloud, Pricklekit (RC), Reedfeather, Reedtail, Rippleclaw, Robinwing (TC), Rowanberry, Scorchwind, Sedgecreek, Shimmerpelt, Skyheart, Snowkit (OS), Softwing, Stumpytail, Sunfish, Tangleburr, Timberfur, Toadskip, Vixenkit, Voleclaw, Wetfoot, Windflight, and Wolfstep.)

Now that^ is a long list and it needs to be fixed. Oh, and please forgive if there's any errors or missing characters in that list, or if they really have died; I just went through their articles to see if a cause of death had been mentioned.

I think it's safe to assume that the Field Guide cats are long dead, but what about these cats? It's very possible that they could still be alive. I think they should be listed as status unknown until any evidence of death can be found. Thoughts? 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with removing it and adding status unknown, just like you said, anything could have happened. x3 12:27, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

This I agree with. It's said by one of the Erins, that only ThunderClan gets a full list within the main arcs, Firestar's Quest, and Bluestar's Prophecy. I think it was also said that there are many more cats than what's shown in the allegiances of a book, but we don't see them due to them being minor characters, and not enough time to include them all.

Yeah, guys, I thought we had this discussion already. Besides, look at ThunderClan, the Clan of the long-lived, invicible warriors. It's totally possible these cats could be alive (though I doubt Birdsong would still be alive, but we can't assume) 16:00, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should change it, while a few of them like the cats seen in Yellowfang's Secret and Crookedstar's Promise probally aren't alive, thier death's were never mentioned so we don't know for sure. 20:04, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Russetfur - Kittypet?
I think this is where I post this... So I was looking over Yellowfang's Secret a bit, and on page 144 (where Red and Boulder come to join ShadowClan) Red says, "We're not kittpets! Both our mothers caught their own prey on the streets of Twolegplace. We would never live with housefolk!" I know we have her listed as a kittypet because of what Yellowpaw said, but wasn't that just her assuming? In my opinion, I don't think she should be listed as one, or have a charart for it. 23:27, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I've been thinking about this, too, and I agree that she shouldn't have a charart or the rank. 23:30, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

She, Marmalade, and Pixie were specifically called kittypets on page 96 of Yellowfang's Secret. It doesn't matter if they didn't act like it. They were /called/ it, and it was those three in particular. See here. Ignore the fact I searched for Jay. It's easy to find that page by searching for her. It doesn't matter if she doesn't act like one, nor her past. She was called a kittypet. Therefore, she gets cited as such. Yellowpaw didn't call her a kittypet...that was the narrator. o.o

I think she denied it because if she told ShadowClan that she was a kittypet, they probably wouldn't have even accepted her. Look at the comments they made about Featherstorm and her kits, some of the elders didn't even want them apprenticed! At least a rouge or a loner, probably in their opinion, could fit into Clan life easier. I don't blame her for lying, and she should still have her kittypet image. 00:59, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I thought it was Yellowfang... My bad .3. And with the lying, we don't really know if she did that. How can we tell when it's just in text? Though I did think that at first, since Scorchwind accused her of it. Though I do see your point, Cloudy. We should go with what she was first seen/called as. 03:13, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I still think that we should go by what she said, Red/Russetfur specifically said that she was not a kittypet, so I don't think she could get the rank or charart, but, I guess it could go either way. -shrugs- 22:34, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Kind of flip-flopping sides here... So basically the question is, do we go with the narrator or Red's word.. I still believe that she should be listed as a rogue, though. Even if she was cited as a kittypet first. Shouldn't we go with what Russetfur said about herself? 23:52, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

You know, we could have both. Just because the narrator called her one, and she called herself something else, doesn't make the narrator quote wrong. Perhaps she left her kittypet life behind or something? It's very possible... she might have been /lying/ just because she didn't want to come across as weak.

Do you mean we can cite her as both? (sorry, bit confused) And sure it might be possible that she left her kittypet life behind, but we don't know that. And we can't tell if she was lying, it never said anything about that. For all we know, Red was telling the truth about what she said with never being kitty-pets. 17:51, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sunstar's Description
Hi all. Just popping in over something that came up in the chatroom last night. I think Sunstar's description and his alt. leader description work together. Because of this. His undercoat (the fur that isn't the stripes) looks yellowish to me, and technically those parts of him arestripes, just... negative, would be the word for it? I dunno. Google image search "ginger tabby cat" and you'll see a lot of cats with the same. And he looks pretty bright ginger to me. So I think we can include "yellow stripes" in his description. Anyway, thanks for the consideration. 216.57.241.43 16:51, November 15, 2012 (UTC) (Shelly, signed out)

I don't agree. From what I remember, bright ginger means saturated. Yellow is basically pale ginger, which definitely isn't the same as bright ginger. And you can't just call the unstriped parts stripes, they definitely aren't. If you could say that, you could say Brambleclaw is a black cat with brown stripes. You can't just reverse it. I think it should stay as is, with the alt separate and the trivia. 18:54, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy of dictionary.com:

stripe 1    ''[strahyp] Show IPA ,noun, verb, striped, strip·ing. noun 1''

''. a relatively long, narrow band of a different color, appearance, weave, material, or nature from the rest of a surface or thing: the stripes of a zebra. ''

''2. a fabric or material containing such a band or bands. ''

''3. a strip of braid, tape, or the like. ''

''4. stripes, a. a number or combination of such strips, worn on a military, naval, or other uniform as a badge of rank, service, good conduct, combat wounds, etc. b. Informal. status or recognition as a result of one's efforts, experience, or achievements: She earned her stripes as a traveling sales representative and then moved up to district manager. ''

''5. a strip, or long, narrow piece of anything: a stripe of beach. ''

It says nothing of darker colours. A stripe is just a different colour, which the undercoat technically is.

And bright ginger can mean a large number of things and is not limited to a single definition. In fact, I found that image above by googling "bright ginger yellow cat".

You can reverse anything. The yellow stripes he was mentioned with once could easily be referencing his undercoat, and I believe it should be included in his description.

And quite frankly, Bramblestar could be a black tabby, if you use the literal scientific definition of black tabby and not the ghost tabby definition the Erins use. 02:19, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Page for The Captain?
Woo for restarting discussions! OK, so I brought this up awhile ago and it was archived, due to being a dead discussion, now I'm bringing it back. He was very major in Escape from the Forest and he's about as major as Sol's Twoleg. So, what do you think? x3 22:34, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think he should get a page. He is a character, and quite a major one in Escape from the Forest, so yes, I agree with you. 01:17 Fri Nov 16

CBV List Needed or Not?
OK, so this was also brought up awhile ago, by Sweet, and I don't know. Do we really need the CBV list? It hasn't been used since I've been a member of the project and it's just sitting there, but on the other hand, it could be quite useful if we started using it again. Comments? 22:34, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ice and Snake - Jumper and Hoot?
I'm not totally sure about this since I don't actually have the mangas...but should their pages be renamed to their former names? They call themselves Jumper and Hoot in...The Heart of a Warrior, I believe, and make no return to Ice and Snake that I've heard of. Wouldn't this mean it's their current names? Sorry if I missed somethign and am wasting your time   23:23, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

...I brought this up /months/ ago and no one said anything. e.e It's about time someone else said something about this. I have the Ravenpaw's Path novels, and they are called, in their last appearances, Jumper and Hoot, not Snake and Ice. I think their names should be changed.

I agree that their names should be changed, after all, they are called Jumper and Hoot in their last appearence. owo 00:35, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Pebblefoot ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 05:26 Sat Nov 3

Are there any quotes at all? Even narrator quotes? 18:36, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly detail The Sight. =3 21:24, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Still Working? 14:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

'Kay, well it's been a week. I'll take over. 23:12, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, detailed The Sight, and I've gone through all the books he has appeared in and no quotes appeal to his personality. 23:55, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly add some to Mistystar's Omen. 01:39, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Purdy ~ Silver Nomination
I think Purdy should be graded silver. Comments? 00:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

There should definitely be more quotes, and all of the history can be and needs to be expanded. 00:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

About how many more quotes should I add (I already did two)? And how much expansion are we talking about, and which books need the most? 01:15, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Just expand the entire thing, Tawny. For a character such as he, who appears quite a lot in multiple books, he should have a well-detailed history. Off the top of my head from glancing at the page, I'd say Midnight, Moonrise, Night Whispers, and Sign of the Moon. Hollyleaf's Story can't be expanded, as I've already looked into that for you. He's mentioned all of once, I believe.

I've expanded as much as I could, and I think four quotes and a main quote is enough. Any more suggestions/comments? 01:57, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps add a couple more quotes.

I've found one more good quote, and added it, but five quotes and a main one is great, in my opinion. Any last comments/suggestions? Because I think it looks lots better. 02:14, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Please expand/detail the last sentence/paragraph in The Forgotten Warrior, and the sections of Night Whispers, Battles of the Clans, and Hollyleaf's Story, if you can. Also, the third quote in the quote section doesn't really describe his personality in my opinion, so can you remove it or replace it? x3 Besides that good job! =D 03:54, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I did all that. I couldn't find a replacement quote, but I think he has a good amount of quotes. So? Anything else? 13:28, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but the history is no where near expectations for silver, especially considering how much of a pain in everyone's rump he was described as. In Midnight for example, starting at the bottom of page 225 going to 252 where the chapter ends and then starting again on 267 to the beginning of 274 is the page span of where Purdy appears. Correlating with the section on the article page, it is very vague and quick compared to all the details in the story. Purdy is a supporting character so try to mention all his appearances as much as possible without getting distracted from the Purdy himeself. To specify, currently in the article, it states, "He takes them to a pool with fish to eat, where Crowpaw receives his saltwater sign." There is ample more information that can be filled there like how Purdy encourages the Clan cats to eat, or how Crowpaw yells at Purdy because Crowpaw tastes salt on the fish, to how Purdy figures out about the "saltwater sign" the Clan cats mentioned. This is only a mere example from one book showing that all sections can be filled out more. 23:27, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Still working on this? 03:43, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. I just got the time to work and look at this. Got it. Sorry if I freaked you out with not responding and all. I'll get right on it. 00:11 Sat. Nov. 17 2012

Okay, I expanded and detailed Night Whispers, and I'll get to the rest right now. 01:44 Monday November 26 2012

Added a teeny part to Hollyleaf's Story and The Last Hope. 01:55 Monday November 26 2012

Is there anything else I can do? 00:39 Friday November 30 2012

Expand/detail Midnight, Moonrise and Sign of the Moon. 01:41, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Beechfur (RC) - Silver Nomination
Everything looks good, comments? RiverClan =D 20:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

The quotes make me a tad wary since they're describing a temporary sickness that Beechfur clearly survived from. Other than that, it looks good. 00:02, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

I removed them. =) 03:32, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 01:45, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Tangleburr ~ Silver Nomination
Did her history with a book preview and some help from Millie, Skye and Skt. Comments? 05:01 Thu Nov 22

Maybe switch the main quote with the last quote in the quotes section. Awesome job! That name.<3  15:46, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 16:16 Thu Nov 22

CBV? 01:45, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Finchflight ~ Silver Nomination
 09:49 Fri Nov 23

Anymore quotes? 16:14, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

You might want to specify more on the last quote's description.

Done aaand done~ 08:36 Tue Nov 27

CBV? 01:44, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Jaggedtooth ~ Silver Nomination
 08:20 Sat Nov 24

Anymore quotes? 16:17, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Added one. 08:55 Tue Nov 27

Can you add the quote where, if I'm not mistaken, Boulder expresses his anger and says something like he'd rip Jaggedtooth's fur off in The Darkest Hour? 01:49, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Fleetfoot - Silver Nomination
LeopardClan 8D Comments? 03:43, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly add a description to the to the first quote. 00:02, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Finished. 03:28, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Nutwhisker ~ Silver Nomination
Okay... I've always liked Nutwhisker and I need to be more active in this project. 00:43 Friday November 30 2012

The history needs major expansion, he was quite a major character. owo 01:46, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Fernpelt - Silver Nomination
The history is expanded to the max, comments? 8D 03:29, November 30, 2012 (UTC)