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A Gentle Reminder
Any mentors out there who have a spot and free time to take on an apprentice should go check out the poor, starving apprentices who would like your attention :3 And a note to the leader and deputy: if you see that an apprentice's request for a mentor has gone a while without anybody volunteering, you should ask a mentor if they are willing to take on an apprentice, and if they acquiesce, approve it. Thanks guys. 07:44 Sun Jan 22

Userbox
I was thinking, we have the "this user is a mentor of Project Character Art," but could we have a userbox that says "This user was mentored by USERNAME in Project Character Art." Or "This user has mentored USERNAME in Project Character Art." Something like that, and of course, USERNAME is replaced with the like of the username, linked. Thought about that? 06:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I originally wanted it to be, but I guess Icy misunderstood. I don't know how to change it though... XD If anyone knows how, I agree that we should. I fail at coding. :P  Pale  Legs   ♪Be prepared...♪  08:25, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have some thing like that on my userpage I just need to know the template page or I could just put the coding up here... first tell me what you think its under 'Other Userboxes' 22:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's alright Wildfire, I already got it planned before I posted this. How's this one that I posted right there? <<< -- 01:01, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mine is just like that! xD Except it says "This user was mentored by the awesomest mentor ever" 02:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I didn't see it on your page. O___O XD And another one could say "This user mentored USERNAME." If we decide to make one like that, can you make one like that Wildfire? 02:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! We also might want to make alts. that say "This user is mentoring USERNAME" and "This user is being mentored by USERNAME" or something that last one seems long 15:35, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I would think so. 16:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :) 23:22, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. 06:19, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

So can they be made then? I think the different variations should be; This user is mentoring soandso, This user is mentored by soandso, This user was mentored by soandso, and last This user mentored soandso. I think we should also have a userbox saying that This user graduated the mentor program, but that's just me. It may be too many. :P 03:04, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the graduated userbox, but just a little "edit" or so to the this user is mentored by soanso, I think it should be this mentor is being mentored by soandso; without the italic text though. 07:02, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

Brightheart, Graystripe, and Squirrelpaw
In The Lost Warrior Brightheart is shown as a light tortie with out her torn ears and her eye just looks closed, Graystripe has five toes pg.13, and Squirrelpaw is a tabby without her white paw, and Thornclaw, Rainwhisker, and Brambleclaw appear to be solid. Which of these should get alts? 15:57, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

And Bramble has short fur 15:59, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well Brightheart already has a tortie alt, Graystripe wouldn't get one for having an extra toe, Squirrelflight is already automatically a tabby cause she's ginger and wouldn't get one for something as small as not having her white paw, Rainwhisker is already solid, but I don't know about Thornclaw and Brambleclaw. If they're very clearly solid then maybe, but it is could be questioned whether or not they're solid, probably not. And Bramble wouldn't get an alt just for a fur length change, but if he is solid after all, then the alt would be made short furred. 16:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'm really not sure about this but should Graystripe get a leader image he was in charge while Firestar was gone (looking for SkyClan) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't but just making sure. 19:04, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Graystripe was never a leader. He was never Graystar, never even acted as leader, only as deputy. I remember that he refused to when Firestar left, and he probably would have continued to do so for several years if Firestar never returned, at least until forced to take over. 19:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay and Ravenpaw, would he get one for his mis-coloring and would Barley get a collar on his rogue/kit version for being in BloodClan when he was a kit. 20:00, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

We already decided no on Ravenpaw, it's too minor of a change. And as far as I've seen, Barley wasn't shown with a collar, even when in BloodClan, so no. 22:06, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't think it mattered, I thought all Bloodclan Cats get collars. And would Thornclaw be a solid gray or golden? 23:05, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. He was shown specifically without a collar from what I've seen, so he wouldn't get one. And from what we've done in the past, solid golden. But you need to cite it, remember. 23:21, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Graystripe acted as leader in SkyClan's Destiny. 00:32, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, wait, is that what you were talking about? If so, nevermind. =3 00:33, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well...he acted as leader...he wasn't really an official leader... 00:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, he acted as a deputy with an absent leader. He was not leader. 00:42, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks 01:22, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

The non-alt worthy things you said back up there would just go in the trivia of their pages I'd think. 06:49, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

Have we come to a conclusion on this discussion? 21:31, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Jacques/ Willowshine images
 In Twilight, page 193 (at about the middle of the page) It says Jacques's eyes are yellow, but the eyes in his CharArt are green, and his description doesn't say anything.

 "She was smaller than he had imagined. Her body was sleek and lithe, and her tabby markings were hardly more than delicate stripes along her pelt." The Sight, Page 268. In her art they are thicker and darker.Emberstarfireclan 12:47, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

 These two need to be changed a bit.Emberstarfireclan 14:27, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

 I checked Twilight, and Jacques should be changed. But delicate I don't think means that her stripes are thin and light. 14:38, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

 If you have citable proof about eye color be wrong, you are allowed to save the image, open it in your program of choice, change it and upload it, no problem. No need to ask. 17:30, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

 Just change the eye color, and as for Willowshine, I think it might mean her stripes aren't very sharp edged, and are maybe a bit fancy in style. 07:20, Tue, Jan, 31, 2012

A solution to the Squirrelflight Conundrum
Hey guys. I've been thinking about the queens... again. And I've been talking with some friends about them. And I was specifically thinking of Squirrelflight.

Even though Squirrelflight clearly held the queen rank, we've withheld any queen charart for her based on the fact that the charart shows a pregnant cat. However, there's a simple fix to this: simply edit out the pregnant belly. It's a simple lineart adjustment, really. Fact of the matter is, since she actually held the rank, she should get the charart.

And, I know I might sound like a hypocrit for saying this, since I was the one to propose the vote that got the queen rule passed, but I think that any non-clan cat (plus Leafpool and Yellowfang) should not have a queen charart, per se, but should have an altered charart of the rank they held when they were pregnant. Agan, a simple fix, just edit in a pregnant belly. In the end, they can't be called queens if they didn't hold the rank or aren't in the Clans. All the other cats that got queen chararts for being mentioned as having had kits would be fine, since it's likely they were queens, but say Nutmeg for instance. Nutmeg would just get a pregnant looking queen Kittypet (derp) charart.

How's this sound to everyone? 22:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. ♫Purplemoon♪  Happy Valentine's Day! Chocolate, please?  22:24, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah this sounds good. 22:27, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I quite like this idea. Nice suggestion, Shelly~ 22:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Wondering about what the file names would be.... File:Leafpool.mc.pregnant.png? Or would we just go with alt like we do with injuries? 22:32, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I would think an alt, but if you guys disagree, it can be the other one. ♫Purplemoon♪  Happy Valentine's Day! Chocolate, please?  22:34, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, Shelly! You get my support~! 22:42, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I took the liberty of preparing a couple of potential linearts. The first is what could be Squirrelflight's queen image, robbed of the extra fat stomach and fat flaps. The other is a potential pregnant medcat, Leafpool. How's that?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120202234423!Shellyheart.png

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120202234416!Shellyheart.png

23:46, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

These are wonderful ^^ I think an alt would be fine since Longtail's blind warrior is an alt. Would Squirrelflight's file still be called queen? 23:53, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yup. It's a rank, not a way of life (though Daisy and Ferncloud would disagree). And I think that the not-pregnant blank could be used for Daisy and Ferncloud as well, by the way! (oh, I'm full of good ideas) Anyway... (reserves Squirrelflight just in case). Can I do this please? 23:58, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why not. 00:03, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm in support of this too. 00:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

I completely support the non-pregnant queen thing, but, though I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean about the pregnant kittypet and MC chararts, from what I do understand, I think those are unnecessary, as we already have images for all of them showing they were pregnant. However I do love the idea of having a tweaked queen image. :) 00:31, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Well, its' jsut that "queen" is a rank that is held, not just a pregnant cat. And it wasn't held by Leafpool or Yellowfang or any non-Clan cat. Thus my "pregnant alts" solution. 00:33, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

But we went to a vote on it, and I still think the queen images fit just fine to show all the cats who have been mothers. There's no reason to change something that's not broken, especially after we already made the images. It's a nice thought, it just doesn't seem really necessarily is all. 00:49, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with Paleh. It's unnecessary. 03:04, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Shelly. I like the idea of a tweaked queen charart, as it shows they wern't pregnant. I also like the idea of a tweaked blank showing that they were pregnant at the time. As Shelly said, it's a rank, not a pregnancy image. 04:55, Fri, Feb, 3, 2012

I was wrong in the queen vote, at least in part. We should respect the fact that being a queen is a Clan rank. You know I'm not doing this for any personal reason except concern for the project: all but two of my queen image would be deleted and replace in these circumstances. 05:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of the unpregnant Squirrelflight, but I'm not so keen on modifying charart for a pregnant cat not in the Clans. Queen is a general term for a female cat, both in real life and the Warrior's world. I do not think it is necessarily a rank in only the Clans. That's like saying kits out of the Clan should get different chararts. Breeze whisker  05:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Breeze, you took the words out of my mouth. Queen isn't always just a rank in the clans. Besides, cats who are pregnant outside the clans have been called queens before, like for instance, if I remember right Speckle was called a queen because of her kits along with a few other cats outside the clans who I can't quite remember. It's not just the rank in the clans, and I think all the mothers should keep their images. Like I said, we all took a vote on this before, and the majority of us agreed that it would be fitting to change the requirements for a queen image. Why change it if we already voted and there's not much reason to switch it to other blanks? It would create pointless work. 07:03, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the idea for Squirrelflight, most definitely. I'm not really sure about the Leafpool blank, after seeing the comments above. ^^ But I still really like the look of it. 04:53, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

In the context of the blanks, I am going to attest that they are representations of the ranks, and not of the generic word "Queen" (of which that blank has no business being considered a representative of, as the word just refers to a female cat, and does not require pregnancy, according to Paleclaw's argument, being female would qualify a cat to use that blank) I've always drawn a line in the sand about what cats should get what blanks. That line being "had to have formally held the rank". Not been called that rank by a cat or anything like that (in fact, this idea that being called something = getting the queen blank directly conflicts with a similar ruling in another project regarding mentor status and who qualifies it, so there is a potential precedent that might be applied here). 14:29, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I know it would be a bit of work, guys, but since when have we shied away from that? Did we not just get through remaking every single apprentice charart? Are we not in the process of redoing every single loner charart? Are we not considering even doing the rogues? We are PCA. We do what we do and we love it. The fact that this would be a lot of work is irrelevant. And, if you guys haven't noticed, having queen charrts for some cats have confused other members of the site. Countless times I've had to remove queen names from Yellowfang and Leafpool's charts because people keep adding them. They were never queens, and us representing them as such is a misrepresentation of facts. Yes, the word queen has been applied to just female cats... in the first book only, though, and the authors later admitted (if I remember correctly) that calling all of the females queens was an idea they quickly scrapped. Queen is a rank in the Clans. Only in the Clans, which is why we lable kit-mother images differently. We need to respect the integrity of this. 21:00, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

For the kit-mothers, I think it could be like the to-bes and softpaws. Same lineart, but different file name and rank on the chart. 21:04, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh and also, I've said this in the past, lineart should only be made for a rank that is actually listed in the allegiances. The fact Leafpool is mentioned with a swelled belly would count as an alternate not and would not get a queen lineart. Same with the kittypets and loners. I agree with what Shelly is saying. It makes more sense. I'm pretty sure only the clan cats refer to the pregnant she-cats as queens. 21:11, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Kit, I was saying they call all pregnant cats queens, not all female ones. Like Shelly said, that idea was scrapped early in the series. But calling pregnant cats queens is still going on. I wish I had Sunrise to cite it, but Speckle was called a queen cause she had kits along with a few other cats, though I can't remember who. I think Daisy might have been one, but I'm not sure. And yes, the Kitmother and queen lineart should be the same, like to-bes and softpaws. And I'm not saying we shouldn't work that's necessary just cause it's hard, but I see this as really unnecessary. There's no point in it if we had a vote just recently deciding the definition of queen. Like I said, all cats who are pregnant have been called queens in the book and so I think they should get the chararts, as they have. I don't think this should be changed. 01:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I stand by the idea that being called a queen by a character in a society in which Pregnant = Queen doesn't validate a character as having been a queen. Playing by that rule, then Lionpaw should have been given a leader charart since he was called a Leader. You have to pick the line you're going to walk and stick to it consistently. If you want a lineart for pregnancy, fine, but don't pretend that being pregnant means a cat is automatically eligible for the rank of queen. 02:39, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Fine then, maybe the queen blank should be considered more of a pregnant cat blank then. But I still think that we should keep the images we have for pregnant cats on their pages, as is, and not make any pregnant alts. I'm standing by my opinion on this one. 03:01, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'm still with you Paleh. And it's not about it being too much work, it's about us having unnecessary extra images. The alternates I'm fine with, but it's these little things. Like honestly, how much difference is there between the medicine cat blank and the pregnant one? Not a lot. These extra images will have too much in common to really be called alternates. I also think the queen blank should be considered a "pregnant cat blank" since those images are significantly different from a warrior, loner, kittypet, or what have you. 03:54, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'm goign against the queens blanks being changed to a pregnant cat blank. If that's the case, we might as well call the kittypet blanks "Cats who have been with twolegs blank", or call the leader blanks "Cats who are in charge of others blank" and so on. As said before, we have blanks for the ranks held, and a queen is one of them. The pregnant loners, kittypets, and Leafpool and Yellowfang were not queens. Therefor they don't get a queen blank. If they were to get a pregant alternative, it's either the one we've got suggested now or none at all. And just a note: If we're going to make non-pregnant queen chararts for Ferncloud and Daisy, then Goldenflower should get one to because in Midnight I think someone said that she was just helping out in the nursury before moving to the elders rank. 07:22, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

In a way DJ, the kittypet blank is that. It's a bit more specific than that, but it's the same basic idea. It's just certain things that qualify them to get a blank, like actually being called a kittypet, or being kept as one, rather than being kept as a hostage. Just like there would be certain things to qualify a pregnant cat getting a blank. And going by what you guys are saying, Kittypets, Loners, and Rogues should get blanks because they're not "ranks". How would a pregnant cat blank be any different? And yes, Goldenflower would get a non-pregnant blank if Ferncloud and daisy get one. 08:42, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to post this with my last post, but I agree with what Oblivion said about the pregnant alt being too similar. There's barely any difference. It'd be like giving alts for very minor injuries that healed later. I mean big ones change the characters appearance forever, but getting pregnant doesn't change how you look forever, just for a few months. It's just too minor and too similar. 08:45, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

In the end, me speaking is just me speaking, and the project will have to decide how they want to deal with the issue. Mostly, I'm pointing out that very inconsistent lines are being drawn to decide who gets a Queen blank and who doesn't. (IE: Non-clan who get referred to by the rank title because they're pregnant get it despite having not held the rank, while Leafpool doesn't get it because she "never held the rank".) Perhaps breaking it into two blanks might be the easiest solution if people are so deadset that every pregnant cat get art to acknowledge that fact and creating a "pregnant" lineart to supplement the "Queen" lineart (which I would say could be used for "pregnant but didn't hold the queen rank"). As for the Rogue, Loner and Kittypet blanks... They are used in a different fashion than the clan ranks blanks because they reflect something a little less... cut and dry as the rest. But they appear on lists for those ranks and thus that's the blank we assign them. All of the blanks thus far have been assigned based on holding a rank in allegiance except the Queen one (and the Kit one, now that I think about it). It's a glaring exception that makes my OCD brain tweak a little bit. 14:43, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that was need to be consistant on what we do with the blanks. I'm against the idea of having 2 blanks, I don't think it's worth it. I still agree that a cat only gets a queen charart if they held the rank and were pregnant at the time. Take Minty for example, she has a queen charart, yet it was never held and it is not listed in the charcat. However, take Snowflake as an example, she sort of held the rank, and was referred as a kit, and it is listed in the charcat. I think there should be a vote, but I still stand by my opinion. 05:38, Thu, Feb, 9, 2012

I really don't think all that is needed. I say just go with the simplest solution: relabel the queen linearts as "pregnant" linarts and be done with it. 05:41, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

CBAing
Hi all, I've noticed that SMs are starting to get into the habit of CBAing their own image right after uploading. CBAing your image after twenty-four hours, fine; having another SM CBA your image, okay. However, doing it after uploading? Sorry, but I find that unacceptable, and unfair. While some users of this project have the privilege to CBA and approve images, others don't. It's quite unfair to those who can't CBA their image. It's just a small note to all. 02:32, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Teldy. I've been noticing too. If your image really is good enough to be CBA'd, then some other SM will do it. 02:58, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

As some of you have seen, I CBA'ed Scorchfur's apprentice (which I was doing), when I uploaded it. For that, I am truly, truly, sorry. I've seen it happen before, so I thought it was fine. I think it shouldn't be allowed, as it's rude, and leads newer SMs (such as me) in the wrong path. 03:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I saw that as well, and I know what you were thinking. I don't think you realized that it was after 24 hours, am I right? So you figured he was fine and CBA'd him on your own. 03:43, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I always try to only CBA my own charart after at least 24 hours without comments, but to be honest, I'm a bit impatient. 03:44, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

@Oblivion, yes, it was what I was thinking. I'm still new to being a SM, and I'm sure that I'll mess up more in the future. x3 03:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

It's my personal opinion that a blanket policy be imposed of simply not calling "Comments Before Approval" on your own images. There's not so few staff that such should be considered appropriate. Impatience is no excuse for gaming the system. 22:03, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

You have a point Kitsu. I do think that we should do this; we've got like twelve senior warriors now, and along with the leader and deputy, that's plenty of staff that you shouldn't have to CBA your own image. 22:06, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Seems fair enough to me. Another thing I want to bring up is, I think we should make it so if an image goes, say, 3 days without maybe we could have them go on automatic CBA? I've seen it happen before where it's gone that long without comments or CBA, and though rare, I still think it's a problem. Maybe with more SWs now we might not have the problem, but I still think it'd be something good to have. 00:24, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that SM's can't CBA their own image. I also agree with Ivy, that if it's 3 days without a comment, it's automaticly CBA'd. That should apply for all users though. <span style="">01:28, Sat, Feb, 4, 2012

Just make it so that X amount of time (3 days, you suggested above) opens things to anyone except the artist can CBA the image. It's not like saying "Comments Before Approval" is too difficult for even a kit in the project, and as the final approval would still need to be handled by a Senior Warrior or higher member of the project there's still the little bit of oversight that's needed. The idea of "Automatic CBA" I don't like. I don't like the idea of an image being approved without a formal final call. That final call is to draw people's attention to the image so that they take a final look and ensure that no errors are going to make it to press. 14:23, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying it should be approved without a CBA. When I said automatic CBA, I meant more along the lines of anyone could do it, and it should be done by that time. Anyone, no matter what rank, and even including the artist I think should be able to put it on CBA if it's been sitting for say, 3 days. When I said automatic, it just meant that it should just be put into CBA no matter what by that time. The idea probaly needs some tweaking, but it was just an suggestion. 23:30, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think the artist should never be eligible to CBA their own image. Having someone else do it ensures that a second set of eyes can be verified as having looked at and found the image worthy. 02:35, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Kit now that no one can CBA their own image, just to know that other users like the image and are ready to take it to the next step. <span style="">07:31, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

I certainly agree with Kit on SMs not being able to CBA their own images. As for many people, they would be more accepting of their own work, and softer on themselves. Though...honestly, in my opinion, art can't actually be bad, as everyone has a different point of you, and yes, the project need to provide quality art, but art can't be bad or ugly in my opinion, so when CBAing, someone may CBA an image that he/she thinks that it looks good, and another on might think it looks bad. 07:49, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Leopardstar
On the tweak nominations page, Leopardstar's leader image is listed as "Patches need to be more realistic", do they mean the patchy fur, or the spots? It's a veeeeeeeeeery small question. 02:41, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Patchy fur I believe. The spots are fine, so if it is meaning the spots, it should be taken off the tweak list. But I think the patchy fur could be a bit more natural. 05:44, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I put it on, and I meant the fur, not the spots. 20:53, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Rippleclaw
I think that the current Rippleclaw picture looks a bit odd. The tabby stripes seem too defined and almost fake looking. I believe that a more natural-looking version should be put into place. I have made a few alternatives. What does everyone else think? (p.s.:I'm not very familiar with the rules, so please inform me if i'm doing something wrong)Chickadee1999 20:48, February 4, 2012 (UTC)Chickadee1999

I think you're talking about Rippletail instead of Rippleclaw. Anyway, I think it looks fine. 20:52, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't really matter which you're talking about, both are fine. 23:27, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Mentoring Program Revision
Paleclaw and I have been talking about revising the mentoring program because apprentice sit there for weeks without a mentor being assigned or volunteering. We are proposing that apprentices could pick their own mentors from who's available to take an apprentice.

I'll explain the next part in a Role-Play situation. Using Lapwing as a fake name, because all the apprentice a/apprentice b thing confuses me. XP Now, for head of the Mentoring Program. That is a user who'd pay special attention to the Mentoring Program to approve and decline mentor, apprentice match-ups. Paleclaw and I have already asked Cloudskye to be our head for this.
 * Cloudy is available to take and apprentice.
 * Lapwing is looking for a mentor. She uses GIMP (which Cloudy uses as well)
 * Lapwing asks Cloudy to her mentor, either by talk page or we could have a second on the Mentoring Program page with mentors who are free to take an apprentice.
 * Cloudy says okay to taking Lapwing
 * Then the pair'd have to approved by either me, Pale, or heads of the Mentoring Program*.
 * We say yes, and Lapwing is now apprenticed to Cloudy

In the example I gave, Lapwing and Cloudy would be a fine match because Cloudy says yes to an apprentice and they both use a common charart program. But should Lapwing had asked me, the request would be declined because I only can use Photoshop.

Thoughts? Concerns? Ideas for improvement? 00:40, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. Though, a question, if we had a head of the program, would SMs still approve/decline and archive things? 00:48, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, in this case. The Mentoring Project head could also archive stuff in Cloudy is a SM. I see no reason why a warrior, if they were made a head of the mentoring program wouldn't be allowed to, but let's cross that bridge when we get to it. 00:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think Legy could also Co-head the mentoring program with Cloudy. I already asked her if she was willing, and she said yes, so if it's alright with you guys, she'd probably be our second head. And I think Ivy meant would the non-head SM be able to archive stuff still Scarlet. XD And yes Ivy, they can. The heads are just there to the mentor program get specific attention so it doesn't sit there for a month with nothing happening. It's like how Shelly's the head of the news, except in this case, the head wouldn't be the only one to edit it. Am I making any sense? XD 01:15, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this idea. 07:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree too. And Paleh, you make sense to me. =I <span style="">08:01, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

I agree 100%. 22:05, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds good to me. The mentoring program as it is now is good, but, it's a good idea to have at least two users that are allowed to keep a closer eye on it, that way it's not sitting there. xD 02:11, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

No offence but I think the mentoring program could use some cleaning/archiving now. <span style="">07:34, Wed, Feb, 8, 2012

I'm not offended, and I doubt anyone else is. It's true, the page does need cleaning. 07:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I thought not many would be offended, but just saying, in case anyone thinks "OMG, I'm such a n00b for not cleaning that up, now I feel like a loser" or such. <span style="">05:43, Thu, Feb, 9, 2012

Echosong Alt
Ok, this is my first argument I've made in Warriors Wiki. I'm curious if Echosong should get a manga alt. She doesn't have a white chest, an extremely different tabby style, her eyes don't look the same shade as she normally has glowing green eyes and on the After the Flood cover it doesn't look like they have a colored glow, and lastly she has a lighter muzzle. As I am doing Mist I will most likely not be able to do Echosong unless Mist is approved. Though there might not be an alt at all. &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Oakbreeze/Sig}} 17:42, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Not having a white chest doesn't matter (though having a white muzzle indicates that she does have some white parts, so the point is invalid either way), and why would we expect Mr. Barry to match our tabby style? Also, there's no confirmation that it's her on the cover, and in any case "glowing green eyes" is a tough thing to judge, as that description means something different to everyone. In short, I don't think this warrents an alt. 19:13, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Shelly. Most tabbies in the book are very basic "Garfield tabbies" and unless she was called "such-and-such" type of tabby then shown as another, then that would get an alt I think. But unless we get that confirmation, she will not get one. 03:00, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sol
I noticed that Sol's alt. loner image still uses the old blank. Aren't images supposed to be removed if there are new blanks? Thanks! Moonstorm88 17:03, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

If it's still on the page, maybe someone forgot to remove it. Regardless, it'll be done eventually. It's not like everything can be done with the snap of fingers. =P 17:05, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join the project? Brackentail 07:42, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to PCA. I'll add you as a kit. Check out the guidelines and tutorial. If you want to request a mentor, go here. Mentor Program <font face="Arial" size="1" color="Red" >Sky To kill an Empire... 08:28, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Brackentail! <span style="">05:15, Thu, Feb, 9, 2012

Smudge
He was described with black shoulders, so shouldn't his kittypet get a tweak for it? :3 11:03, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

And a white tail tip I believe. No need to post here, just add it to the tweak page. 15:11, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I am the OA, and looking over the charart and the books, I will give you permission to tweak the shoulders. I didn't read it when I first made it. 21:02, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Quail, you don't give permission to tweak images. It's up to the project whether or not the image gets tweaked/redone. His image is getting redone, by Shelly, I think. 21:05, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Woo, I've wanted to do a black-and-white for a while~ :D 01:53, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Name
Hello all! I'm reporting on behalf of my my apprentice Frogpath, whose name is not under the apprenitce heading. Thanks, 22:35, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

To-Be Blanks
I noticed that the to-be blanks are rather choppy looking. I propose that we tweak them to smooth the lines out. Should be pretty simple, we don't have many to-be images after all. 01:52, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with Shelly. It shouldn't be that much of a problem. If anything, the lineart around the back area seems to be thicker then the rest of the body. 01:53, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

On the shorthairs, the lineart on the chest is a bit thick too. 01:56, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

And I think on the longhaired the bit of fur sticking up on the top of the tail could be taken off. Really, it's just a small tweak to the linearts. They're perfect in my opinion otherwise. 01:59, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with all of the above. <span style="">05:46, Thu, Feb, 9, 2012

I personally think they're fine, but that's just me. I don't think we should go through all the trouble of tweaking a blank that's fine, but if nobody agrees with me, that's fine. 12:36, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

They're choppy and pixelated. We only want to smooth them out. In any case, it's not like it'll be a major project: there are literally only ten images using the blanks. 13:31, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose so. I still think they look fine, but *shrugs*. 16:09, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I kinda agree with Paleh. They look fine... 21:56, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think they look fine. The lineart really doesn't look that bad. It isn't really necessary and I don't think a small change like that would make enough difference to be worth it. Breeze whisker  00:35, February 10, 2012 (UTC)