Warriors Wiki talk:World

Battle Template
Hi everyone, as I was looking through the wiki, I realized that our battle pages should probably be a tad more detailed. I think it would be more interesting and thorough if they looked something like they did on Wikipedia, for example, like this. So I drafted an idea of what I thought would be an okay example, since I am not very good at explaining what I mean. Of course, it would have to be more detailed, but that is the rough prospect I have so far. 19:51, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Hey that draft looks really great^^ I'd be interested to see what it'd look like using our css, though. Also, it might be good to put an imput for which book it happened in, imo, since we're not quite like wikipedia where everything is date/place etc.

I have added more info to the template I linked. I am not sure if it was better before or if it is now. Personally I think it is more informative now than it was before. 01:58, April 7, 2018 (UTC)

I think we can use more Clan terminology for some of the headings. Like 'combatants' is a word I doubt has ever been uttered in the books. Maybe 'sides'? Same with Commanders and Casualties (might replace that with 'deaths' for example)Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:56, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Stealth, you could replace 'combatants' with 'participants' and 'commanders' with 'leaders.' Also is there a way to shrink this so it isn't crazy long?

Technically I prefer what we have now because they were not all leaders of the Dark Forest and these are terms that seem more sophisticated. And the only way we can do that is by getting rid of some information. 06:16, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Any more comments? 22:13, April 15, 2018 (UTC)

I honestly still stand my original comment. It needs to have more Warriors terminology. But, just three people's opinion isn't enough. So... anybody want to make a comment about it?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  07:00, April 16, 2018 (UTC)

Some warriors terminology might be nice^^ I agree with swapping them out, and for terms of sophistication... we're a wiki about talking cats, so it'll prolly be fine to use terms that better fit the books :P

All right, if that is what everyone agrees on I am fine with that. Can we go ahead and use the template? 21:07, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Well, more specifically I think a few more tidbits could be added as well to your draft. These would be things like a general information header and removal of the source link at the bottom, since none of our others have that. Since the most recent draft is still using another wiki’s css, I hope you don’t mind that I’ve whipped up what I think might be a good final implementation of this concept, using our Clan MediaWiki styling along with this concept.

Just one question ... what is the difference between yours and mine, excluding the source part? 04:08, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

And the addition of name changes. 04:09, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

The difference, besides the two things you mentioned, is the addition of the general information header, and also mine uses Clan MediaWiki instead of the general MediaWiki the other templates use, such as Charcat and Book and such. This alters the width of the template, which imo looks better skinner like the Clan template with this concept

Wouldn’t it stay the same width such as my template due to the amount of detail in patrols? 04:16, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I personally think it looks aesthetically better skinnier. TLH’s battle has a ton of patrols, but for the vast majority of battles, having it wide makes the lines of characters look uneven due to the bullet points, which center text, as is written into our MediaWiki overrides. So idk people prolly might disagree with me but I think it works much better with the smaller width for the majority of battles.

I changed it on mine to see the difference. I do not care for it either way, it does not matter to me. I still like the idea of the terms I use, but if you guys do not want to ... 22:25, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hm well, a suggestion, could you add a general information header and an image input? Each of the other infoboxes have that, even if it just has the noimage; I think the template looks better with those two things rather than having all the information at the very top. It might be a good idea to go ahead and change the terms as well... since the project majority seems to have said

Well I do not see why we need the noimage if there is going to be no image at all. 22:51, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Also I was wondering if instead of "deaths" we could have "casualties and losses," to maybe refer to an extreme injury some cat got during the battle? Casualties do not just refer to deaths, and I think that maybe extreme injuries should be mentioned. 22:54, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Another technicality, but 'General Clan Information' shouldn't have Clan - there are battles in which there are other groups than Clans, and it wouldn't be correct to list those ones under a Clan information header, rather, it would be just 'General Information'. I think the losses idea is rather nice, but per what has been said about terms before, 'Deaths and losses' would work better. The reason I said what I'd said about images was because while a default input might be noimage, there are images in the field guides depicting some of the battles, and those could be added to the page if the template includes an image input (though I get if we don't want to add those, because it'd take more work etc)

I will change that ... but there if we do not use field guide images in general (such as on images) then what is the point of using them on articles? 23:18, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

May FA
Some possible ideas are DarkClan, Clan meeting, LionClan (Mythological), LeopardClan or Name changing ceremony. Thoughts/suggestions? 18:59 Sun Apr 8

DarkClan works for me. 06:21, 4/09/2018

What about Clan Meeting?

Clan meeting was one of the suggestions I had listed :) Other comments? 16:15 Sat Apr 14

Yea, I'm aware of that. Just saying I think that would work best.

Clan meeting works, but we need to add SkyClan's section for the lake territories. I'm pretty sure the official 'call' or whatever is said by Leafstar somewhere in RoF iirc

So ... since Clan meeting cannot be suggested until it is finished, do we want to go with something else? Or postpone this until next month? 22:01, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe since Clan meeting needs to be finished, DarkClab or name changing ceremony. Needletail 🐾 #Litten 22:05, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps we can go with DarkClan. Any objections? 22:44, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

I apologize for rushing this but we need a May FA. Comments before vote? 03:31, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Fall of ShadowClan
I think we should have a page on the downfall of ShadowClan (Basically post Shattered Sky to River of Fire when its revived). I'd think that this event is very major and really does deserve it's own page. I am more than willing to create the page and you can view the basis of it here. Thoughts?

00:04, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I don't see why not. It was an extremely important event that was mentioned in at least four books (Shattered Sky, Darkest Night, River of Fire, and Tigerheart's Shadow), resulted in multiple deaths, and causes a lot of problems. Although, I suppose you could actually say that it started in Thunder and Shadow, when Darktail and his rogues took over. Yeah, it's pretty vital to A Vision of Shadows and definitely warrants a page. (  00:12, 4/30/2018  ) ​ (  00:12, 4/30/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">00:12, 4/30/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​

I agree this should get a page. It is really important to the current arc. 00:19, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I agree^^

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I agree but perhaps change some of the headings? I feel like Failure of a clan and Return of a Hero can be differently worded. 04:04, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah those can definitely be changed to something better, if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them.

04:49, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

Do we need so many main characters? I am not sure all of them are classified as important enough to need their own section. 22:29, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

I figured Rowanclaw, Tawnypelt, Tigerstar, and Darktail were fairly important, I can cut out the others. Puddleshine, Needletail, Sleekwhisker, and Scorchfur I think can maybe go in the supporting characters section.

14:59, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

It might be wise to cut most of them out altogether, since the characters shouldn't be split as main and supporting - there's just one characters section for these pages^ I mean imo Needletail, seeing of how major a character she was up until her death, would still qualify, but the rest probably wouldn't

Violetshine and Needletail should definitely stay. Both of them were extremely important, especially with Violetshine later helping cats escape and coming up with the idea to knock cats out. While that could also be placed in the already existing page for the events regarding the Kin, I'd say the tension of being forcefully placed in ThunderClan didn't help any ShadowClan cat. I also agree with keeping Rowanclaw, Tawnypelt, Tigerheart, and Darktail, since each one of them played a vital role in what would have been ShadowClan's downfall. Puddleshine and Rain could probably be in supporting...but I don't know if each of them should have their own section. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">15:12, 5/01/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">15:12, 5/01/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">15:12, 5/01/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​

I agree.

I like that idea. I'd just merge the two sections together then so it's Rowanclaw, Tawnypelt, Tigerheart, Darktail, Needletail, Puddleshine, and Rain?

15:59, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. \

Add Violetshine to that list though^^ she's pretty heavily involved, but the rest looks great

Why add Scorchfur? He is not as important as the others. Also, change the headings, once again, return of a hero and failure of a Clan seems biased. 16:13, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

He seemed important when I was making it, although looking at the entire timespan he isn't as important as I had thought. Also changed the names, wasn't intending to sound biased at all.

16:24, May 1, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe we can add a template for it? Would anyone want me to draft one? 22:45, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

Created a draft. It's at the bottom, past the awards. 03:30, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Journey Template
If we are going to create a battle template, I thought it might be an all right idea to create a journey template, no matter how insignificant it may appear to be. Here is a draft. 07:21, May 5, 2018 (UTC)