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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Do you think you could make the ears a touch more triangular, also? 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  08:03, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

The front leg on <--this side looks a bit awkward the way it's bent. And the paw's a bit peculiar too. <span style="">08:06 Fri Dec 28

I suggest moving the ear (on --> side) closer to the face since it looks a tad out of place. -- S t  a  r  r  y  ~angelfase~  04:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried :P  03:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The way it is now, it looks almost cartoon-y. Shrink the ears, elongate the body just a tad, and thin out that bottom paw. 06:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and elongate the legs and round the back. 06:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded which paw? 21:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if I am allowed to comment, but the mouth on the left side, it looks a little odd. You should let it come up more instead of going down.Gummybearkiller (talk) 21:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The hind leg looks a bit too long, maybe give some more differentiation between the hip/flank and the actual leg? And show the pull on the shoulder muscle on the foreleg closest to us. Maybe scoot the head forward to make room for a bit of neck and shoulders? Maybe give some volume to the farthest forepaw, it looks a little flat. 00:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm kind of unsure what you mean in the first part  06:03, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you kinda tilt the image, or something? I don't know how to explain it, but it kinda looks like the cat's getting kicked in the shading place and flying away... sorry if I sound confusing I dunno how to explain it I'm not good with this stuff

Awesome! I think it is ready now.Gummybearkiller (talk) 22:59, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gummy, there are still comments that need to be accomplished under this topic, so it is not ready just yet. Also, refrain from commenting just to say it looks nice. I know you're new, so this is just a reminder. :) 00:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The anatomy could still use some re-working. The feet are oddly proportioned, the body is contorted oddly, the face anatomy looks off... sorry, but I can't think of how to be more helpful than that without being redundant. 21:31, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'll just casually place this here that I made with a reference I found  01:03, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Make the hind legs a touch bigger and maybe expand the head a bit so the features aren't quite so squashed 02:06, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

<33 I love it. The cat looks thin, not sure if that's supposed to look like that.  Giratina is not amused   03:19, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? 05:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw and make the "elbow" of the foreleg closest to us a bit bigger 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Move the elbow up a bit and make the shoulder larger and rounder. Also, straighten hind foot and make the paw rounder and erase that toe to fit in at least three, four if you can. Also, smooth and round out the top of the thigh, and move the our right ear and cheek forward a bit. And maybe shorten the extended leg a little. 21:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Alright, I tried, though I think I failed on bringing the cheek forward  04:31, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't mean that. I mean the side of the jaw. D: Sorry, bad phrasing. 04:36, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowfang (star) - For Approval
I know about the white background, I need someone to help me with that since It won't let me save on pixlr, so i had to copy paste onto Paint. I tried to make it as close to Yellowfang in appearence as possible. It sucks, so if it's declined I'll understand.

☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Unthumb the image and....... wait, is there..... uh, is there any shading on this? If there is, define it. But I really don't see any.... 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this is 80% complete. There's no shading, it's pixely, and I believe it's the wrong size. 23:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Changing heading to Under Evaluation, and you have one week to get this up to standards before it's declined. 23:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. It is pixely, wrong size even though it looked ok and the thing. I tried my hardest at this, and I don't think I can do anymore. If it's declined, it's fine. I'll have to try something else and figure out how to get rid of the white background. Someone else can have a better shot at Yellowfang than me.. I can't shade. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

There are some tutorials you can look at the learn from on how to use Pixlr. Pixlr is fairly easy to understand, it just takes practice.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try look at the PCA apprentice tutorials - i've placed a request to join the PCA, so tomorrow I'm going to try and improve this, ok? Never mind about the message I put before this one... I can't try now because I've been on the PC for hours and my eyes are hurting... I'm going to reattempt this, add shading and improve it until it's good enough. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:59, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can help you with this. I don't know what you used to make this image with, but as said, you can use Pixlr, but another good program to use is GIMP, and GIMP is totally free! I'm actually planning on updating my video tutorial on how to use GIMP, I might do that tonight and it would help you greatly I'd imagine. 02:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I need some serious help shading this on pixlr. Can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 15:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Use the dodge tool. It sorta looks like a hair dyer xD But that's the easiest way to shade.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  19:19, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually in my opinion that's one of the hardest ways to shade. Check out the apprentice tutorials for help on anything. 20:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Is that better?

Sorry, I'm going to change it a little.Going to get rid of the line round the edge, Shading is a little dark and it's gone over the eyes, so gonna lighten that up and remove the shading off the eyes. Going to make it better. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 23:16, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is a bit too dark, like you said in the chat, but you need to replace the lineart you lost as well as blur the scars and make the tufts more noticable.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  23:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It still looks too big and it looks like there's lineart detail missing 00:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You might be better off redoing it; I'm just saying, since so much lineart is missing and it just looks pixelly. One of the ears (the back one) looks... smaller and rounded. It looks like Smallear's ear rather than a torn ear. 00:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the scars, and fix her muzzle...it looks a bit odd. I honestly don't know why you picked as difficult a charart as this - perhaps next time just try a solid with no scars, ragged fur, etc. <span style="">13:20 Sun Jan 6

the cat is about 10% bigger than she should be and it looks like you removed some outer lineart. Plus, you picked really hard cat to make. But its you choice, I cant talk into it. 15:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's a work in progress. You see, I accidently saved it onto the computor when it wasnt full sized, so that explains the pixelated bits, and missing lineart. Now, I realised that, so I'm restarting all other again. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you want, I can help. I mean - I'm not great but I can make the fluffy lineart for you, if that would be okay.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  15:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Really? Thank you, that would be a great help. Just the fluffy lineart, right? Thanks, as soon as you can? Because It says that I have until Friday for this to be up to standards. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Here you go. I tried ^^;;  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:37, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That's beautiful! It'll be a great help! ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC) 16:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I know you probably already saved it, but I moved the muzzle a bit closer to make it look more squished. Once again, I tried xDD  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded That's so much better. Thanks, Echo, for the fluffy lineart you did for me. You're a life saver! :) ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Going to stretch the ear pink to fill whole ear and make it more pink. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:44, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Put some shading on the flank, sharpen the scars, darken and add more shading on the tail, and smush the muzzle 17:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

>totally didn't read that as smash the muzzle< The earpink should fill the entire ear. Define the depth in the eye and blur the shading tons. The shading on the front legs looks really weird, it looks like there's... darker spots in it. Your light source is all over the place, too, define a proper light source, 18:09, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There, but it might not show for a bit cause the photo uploading is playing up a bit...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:20, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the scars and smudge the tips so it looks like fur growing over it  22:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add earpink to our left ear. 12:48, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Left ear pink, scars blurred and fur smudged acheived. Anything else, or is that ok?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:47, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the ears, and the patches of fur that are next to the scars. 22:41, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The space between her tail is gray. x3.  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 22:44, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the earpink. <span style="">10:09 Tue Jan 8

Re-uploaded Didn't realise that there was a gray patch between her body and tail - it was so pale I could barely tell. Pelt smudged into ear pink, blurred line art un-smudged... Anything else, or is it done? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:23, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her pelt looks really glossy. Dull it down a little? 23:17, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her scar placement doesn't match the other images, like there's no scars on her paws on the others. <span style="">23:25, 01/8/2013

Re-uploaded Fur is duller, scars match her images more. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Shading's pretty blotchy on the body; blur it please 04:23, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded right, shading fixed. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:15, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. 16:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't. I try and try, but nothing happens... pixlr won't let me save, like I said a week ago, and I can't have any other sites... can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'll make the background transparent once the image is approved, Sorrel. No worries at all. I understand what it's like to be stuck with only pixlr. .-.

Thank you - I really appreciate it. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail, and perhaps blur the scars a little bit more? This is quite lovely.

I don't think a scar can go overtop a tuft of fur. Where a scar is made, fur either grows on it and is unseen or no fur grows at all (maybe the first one isn't possible, idk.) Could you maybe remove the scar pink on the fur tufts? I don't know how to word this. 20:42, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded May take a while for it to load up again...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The scars are too red, and smudge the pelt into the earpink more. Define the eyedepth, and make the ragged fur more like her other images. x3 23:32, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste outside of >>>> ear, some of the eye lineart is missing/blurred, there's a bit of missing lineart where the tail meets the body, some of the lineart near the scars is blurred, mainly on the tufts, and there's still one scar going over the tuft, on her upper shoulder. <span style="">23:46, 01/11/2013

Re-uploaded Yet again, it will take a little while to come up.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:45 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Unfortunatly, it will take a little while to come up AGAIN. Got rid of a bit of waste I forgot.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  01:02 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The scars on the face don't really match with the other images. <span style="">02:12, 01/12/2013

Re-uploaded I looked at her pixels for loner and queen to see the scars on each side of her face, so it looks more like her facial scars now. Wait a little bit, the improved face scars should hopefully appear in no time.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  14:39 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on her tail a tad. ^^  17:34, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Tail defined.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The shading's a bit blotchy right now and need to be smoothed out a bit, the scars need blurring and the tips need to be sharper, tail needs an unshaded part, it's completely shaded, define the paw and head shading, darken the base coat ever so slightly, darken the shading, and make some of the fur connect with eachother, so it's not like just one spike, it's more like fur. Look at her other images for an example of what I mean. Also add depth to the eyes and make the muzzle flatter and add a line on the nose like the other images to show it's kinda smashed in. If you need any help on the lineart just shoot me a message and I'd be glad to help. 20:16, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I've done what I can, Paleh. Can someone be a lamb and help me flatten the muzzle?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:47 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

You didn't add depth to the eyes or sharpen the scar tips. Also smudge the earpink and fix what seems to be blurred lineart there. Shading's still blotchy too. I can help you with the muzzle. 22:33, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Here 22:36, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There. Thanks for flattening the muzzle, Paleh! The scar tips have been sharpened, the ear pink has been blurred and the lineart has been un-blurred, as far as I can tell. Oh, when Paleh said 'add depth' does she mean make the eyes darker, or something like that?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:46 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Throw in some dark and light colored pixels as if shading the eyes. |These These do not contain the StarClan blank eye shading, but you can probably get the idea from them. 20:49, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Ugh, orange eyes are difficult - you can't really see if there's much difference, so you'll have to zoom in.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  22:04 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and the depth in the eyes 03:12, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Once again, wait a little, and the improved charart will appear.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:35 January 14, 2013 (UTC)

What ever you did, gaussian blur or dodge or whatever, appears outside the charart. Erase it. 11:29, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Oops. Didn't notice that, Quail. Thanks for telling me. I've erased the rubbish outside the charart.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24January 15, 2013 (UTC)

She's a tad darker than her other images...care to lighten the base a tad? Make sure you chose the lightest part of her pelt on another charart when taking the colour. Also, make the background transparent. She be white right now. o3o <span style="">15:26 Tue Jan 15

Re-uploaded I took the colour this is now from her medicine cat image. Also, Berry, Cloudy kindly offered to make the background transparent if this is approved becuase the pixlr I have dosen't let me.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:47 January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, does this need improvement?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:41 January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up, you don't need to ask if there's anything else you need to improve. Users will comment, and if there's nothing, a lead can CBA it. Right now, the shading's fairly blotchy, and very defined on the shoulder and tail. Smooth that out? 00:56, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

There, Rainy. Smoothed out the shading.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:19 January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 21:48, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Defined it.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:01 January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the scars on the shoulder and smudge the ear-pink a little 00:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

There. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:14, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the unshaded parts to blend more in with the pelt. 02:05, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. It's a very light gray right now. 14:32, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

They've stated multiple times already that they can't make it transparent and that cloudy offered to once it's approved. And it's not light gray at all right now... 0.o Anyways, define and smooth out the shading even more.. 14:39, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps blur the unshaded areas, or "highlights." 19:11, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded there - I hope this gets approved in time for me to try out Tansypaw. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the grey a touch and I think this can be CBA'd. 03:18, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Er, the grey is the same colour as her other images... ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:21, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Despite that, I believe the image is over 80% done. I'm changing the heading. 22:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

The scars on the shoulder look a bit too over blurred, sharpen them a bit? 03:37, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I've thinned the shoulder scars a bit too, I thought they looked a little thick. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  14:41, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

This looks good, Sorrel. CBA? 01:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it still looks too dark and the shading is still very blotchy. 02:22, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It dosen't look blothchy to me, but fine. One ligther Yellowfang, coming right up. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:31, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:42, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Shading still looks blotchy and needs to be smoothed out, and needs to be defined on the legs and tail. Blur the scars a bit, and is that blurred lineart on the ear closest to us or just shading? I can't tell. Since this has been CBA'd before, I'm going to assume it's basically agree this is 80% done, so I'll make you an apprentice. 22:02, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:56, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the background transparent, amico? Nicely done~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part on her tail, please. x3 23:31, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded god, this has improved so much since I first offered it (the first one was a DISASTER)! Unshaded part of the tail defined, and Cloudy offered to make this transparent once it is approved, because my stupid computer won't let me, no matter what I try.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  12:45, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the highlights? This is coming along quite nicely, Sorrel. 13:50, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:27, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the shading's still blotchy. Is your blur tool set to 100% when you blur? Also, add some unshaded parts to the lower legs. They shouldn't be totally shaded. Same to the tail, there's only a tiny splotch of unshaded bits on there. 00:31, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I decided to redo the shading. It may not appear for a while.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:14, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's much less blotchy now, but really hard edged. Again, are you blurring with the blur tool at 100%? 23:58, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

ReuploadedIt is 100%, Paleh. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:22, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Honeyfern (Star)- Under Evaluation
asdf I failed with stripes again, cuz not a lot and badly detailed. Comments? 23:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

The title should say For Evaluation since you're a kit. Anyway, blur the highlights and add shading. Also add more stripes and dapples. Makes the stripes longer, more zigzagged. and smudge them with a size one brush. <span style="">00:08, 27, 01, 2013

Changed the heading. Blur the edges of the lighter chest. 00:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re uploaded.

Define shading and highlights and blur them.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  00:47, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Blur and lighten the highlights+shading more and make her nose pink. Also, you should add a bit more dapples, since now it just looks like stripes. 16:22, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 17:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think I should delete the old shading.. Any one agree? 19:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Make the highlights less neon, darken the shading, smudge the stripes, define the earpink and eye depth, make it more dappled, lighten it a tad, and blur/smudge the light underparts and muzzle to better mutch the warrior. <span style="">09:08 Mon Jan 28

Also blur the dark shading  <span style="">06:18 Tue Jan 29

The light coming onto the tail from the top left looks like a straight dead line... maybe blur a bit? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I don't think the pale goes past her eyes in the other imges 08:32, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Also did some more editing than that -facedesk- I suck x.x 23:58, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Just a question: Can I try again to make this? Thanks. 17:44, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Flintfang (Star) ~ For Approval
Shading x.x Comments? Shoon Derp Hazelwind lives on~ 21:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, define the shading on the tail and legs, and perhaps just lighten it a tad on the body and face? Nice :3 06:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the body shading a little. <span style="">03:17, 31, 01, 2013

Re-uploaded -- Changes might not be showing.

Blur the shading, define the depth in the eyes, and expand the shoulder highlight 21:30, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

A little bit of the line art disappeared on the haunch...I'm not sure it's a huge deal...Maybe just fill that in a little? And last, there's a little waste near the left of his tail, right of his paws, by his right ear, and last, near the base of the tail. He's rather handsome! <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 23:25, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Still working?

Tansypaw (A) ~ For Approval
I love cream colored cats :3 Comments? 00:35, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail, blur the shading a bit more on the back, and mudge the pelt into the ear-pink on this --> side 00:39, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the shading on the haunch needs to be blurred more as well. I would also suggest tinting the shading with some warm color, such as red, orange, or brown. Upload whichever one has the most pleasing result. 00:41, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I liked brown the best, so that's the one that's on here. Grr, pixlr, y u blur badly. Changes appear to be not showing 00:14, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

They're showing now, and this looks much better. Blur the haunch shading a bit.

Reuploaded 00:31, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg and tail shading. 00:27, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Quailheart (W) - For Approval
First dappled cat; comments? User:BlooDino 02:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the rump. 04:20, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 05:53, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the unshaded parts a tad? 04:33, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 05:42, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

This looks more mottled to me...I assumed dappled cats would look like Minnowtail. 14:57, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 04:46, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Still looking mottled. Try looking at dappled sunlight through some leaves, and try and integrate that onto the charart. <span style="">08:28 Thu Jan 31

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 05:07, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. The dapples look a tad like spotted tabby stripes. o3o <span style="">06:40 Fri Feb 1

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 07:13, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the spots and give them a smudge 21:31, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 23:15, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the spots a bit. 23:27, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 01:00, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Great job, Bloo! I honestly see nothing wrong with this, and I love it. It's really good. So I'm going to go ahead and CBA this, if it's alright with everyone. 13:49, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but the shading needs to be blurred a lot. 19:47, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

And define it a little too 22:41, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried User:BlooDino 07:46, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh much better. Just darken the "highlight" on the leg a bit so it's not so bright and I'll re-cba. :3 00:26, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 05:31, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

No no sorry, I wasn't specific, I meant the front leg. The forearm. 05:42, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded User:BlooDino 06:09, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? 06:45, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but around the rump and hunch there's miscoloured shading/erased shaidng. Fix that? ouo <span style="">08:38 Tue Feb 5

.... I don't see anything... 0.o I'm gonna continue the CBA.... if anybody else sees that feel free to break it again. 21:37, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I see it- a lighter colored strip right next to the lineart of his rump. 21:42, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mintpaw (CJ) (A) ~ CBA
something is wrong i actually like one of my chararts?? <span style="">06:45 Tue Jan 29

Blur the texture a little. 21:37, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading.

Define the ear-pink 01:57, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded didn't touch the earpink cause earpink doesn't have to be super-visible. <span style="">10:10 Wed Jan 30

I think the earpink could be defined a tad. :P 16:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define the haunch shading too. <span style="">03:16, 31, 01, 2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">07:52 Mon Feb 4

Comment before approval? ouo 23:59, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

For the texture, I say it needs to get away from being straight lines. It's particularly noticeable on the hip and shoulder. Examine a few pictures of cats, and you'll see that the fur doesn't flow the way it's portrayed here. 03:21, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I personally think it's fine, it doesn't have to flow perfectly, and it follows it for the most part at least. But I'll leave it up to bert to decide. 05:14, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was kind of going with the idea that cat fur flows from the spine, but I can change it if someone else agrees it's off. <span style="">06:10 Wed Feb 6


 * In general it flows from the spine, but it curves around where the hips run into the legs, and curves over and around the legs as it comes down. And around all the other curves that make up a cat. It might not have to flow perfectly, but it certainly shouldn't be accepted when it looks like someone glued yarn to a piece of cardboard. (Said more simply: Either do it properly, or don't do it at all - Fur texture isn't mandatory). 22:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Flintfang (Ki) - For Approval
Im so sorry for posting it so late. I was pretty busy. ,14:33,January 29,2013 (UTC)

Did you just take Flutter's image and tweak it? I really don't know if that's allowed....

No, I didnt.. a moment.. okay I guess this is my mistake. I apologize for that. I guess my file didnt uploaded yesterday. Fixed. ,19:43,January 30,2013 (UTC)

Ahaha, no worries, Leaf. I apologize for saying that. Stupid wiki likes to not show changes. ._. Could you define the shading ever so slightly?

Reuploaded :) ,8:05,February 2,2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit! Wonderful job~ 23:26, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ,20:11,February 3,2013 (UTC)

Expand the chest "highlight". also, the light source doesn't make much sense... It's coming from like three different directions, left, right, and above. Make it come from one? 00:26, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ,16:54,February 5,2013 (UTC)

Hazelwing (Q) - For Approval
I wasn't gonna make a thin tabby, I promise, but you know how that turned out. Eh, I'm not too happy with this but whatever. Here's Hazelwing. 19:07, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define the overall shading and perhaps make the unshaded area in her middle a bit wider ouo 22:47, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Also, can you blur the middle shading a bit? 04:36, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 16:51, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading. I love the stripes <333 <span style="">03:14, 31, 01, 2013

belly shading kinda looks like an erased line of shading... fix it? o3o Gorgeous <span style="">08:29 Thu Jan 31

You need to show me how you make those stripes. .o. Could you enlarge the "highlight" on the belly a tad? 15:31, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I redid the shading, and thanks c: If you want me to show you just ask c: 00:09, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome *.*. Can you darken ear pink a tad please? I can't see it. 8:46, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks c: 17:29, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Epic stripes! :o Define the shading on the haunch and tail, pweeze 21:32, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Gorgeous! Can you define the ear pink a tad? 13:46, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanksss 22:54, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Emberkit (K) ~ For approval
Oh ew image made on pixrl x.x. I know I need to dull the highlights, so aside from that, comments? <big style="font-style:inherit;"> Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:14, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty tabby! She looks a little neon to me. Maybe make the orange a little darker, or perhaps a little less pink, or maybe less saturated...? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 00:49, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. c: 04:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I swear she looks brown now... Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 00:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe brighten her up a little? <span style="">03:13, 31, 01, 2013

Reuploaded. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Make the orange a tad darker if you can. 23:25, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I tried, Ducky and it made her all blotchy looking, so can I leave as this shade? If someone else agrees, I'll see what I can do, however~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:29, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

She looks pink right now, so yes she needs to be darkened and made more orange. 00:29, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made her more darker and more orange, if this doesn't work, tell me and i'll test out a second version I made. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 15:34, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and define the shading a bit and define the stripes. 00:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Acornpaw (A) ~ For Approval
Comments? -Feather 16:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Make him look more brown. Right now, he looks gray-brown. Bbun (talk) 21:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Can you move the direction of the texture on the shoulder so it doesn't look as flat? sorry if that made no sense >.< <span style="">23:16, 30, 01, 2013

If I move the direction of the shoulder, it would mean moving the direction of the entire texture, and it's not flat imo, it's just the fur facing downwards. Also, I think the brown looks fine. I can't really change that either or it will get rid of the texture -Feather 14:48, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

The texture needs to flow with the direction the fur would go on a pelt- the texture in the shoulder needs to be curved differently. And the brown /does/ look a tad dull. Sorry..:s 15:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading a tad? 22:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes may not be showing, but I decided to get rid of the texture. cos, well it sucked. And I couldn't fix the shoulder thing. -Feather 11:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly tint the shading red, brown, or orange to make it look a tad more light-brown. 23:24, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the haunch shading. And smudge the earpink a bit. 23:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I couldn't smudge the earpink, so I blended it into the fur instead. And I blurred the haunch. Changes may not be showing. -Feather 11:13, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

He looks kinda oddly colored right now... I don't even know what this color is, but it doesn't look very brown. Make him more brown? 00:24, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 11:16, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still seems a bit off.. I don't know. Personally, I think it could be a little more brown-ish.

Re-uploaded -Feather 11:17, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

If anyone can get me a suitable hex code, I would be grateful. I can't seem to find one that works. -Feather 19:35, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Mudfur (Star) ~ For Approval
Mottled cats are very interesting to do. Suggestions for improvement for Mudfur? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 00:52, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, this is gorgeous! Maybe give him a paler underbelly like the other pixels? It's beautiful x3 ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

There is a paler underbelly. You wouldn't be able to see the rest of it because of the position the blanks are in.

Re-uploaded I dodged the stomach and raised the ocapacity. I always imagine they have the back facing us, and the belly comes up under, to show on the chest and near the front legs. :D <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 20:58, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

The pale belly is a tad browner on the mc. 23:21, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I re-did the stomach and nose, I didn't quite like how it looked. More brown, I'd say. <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 23:38, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Make the pale belly connect to the pale muzzle and add some smaller mottled. This is lovely~ 00:23, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks! More mottles...as for connecting the muzzle to the belly, it's a hard thing to do at this angle, but maybe something like this? 00:57, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Fernpelt (Q) - CBA
My praises to the lovely Paleh who's also meh wiki Mum  for informing me that the lovely Fernpelt went off and eloped with Buzzardstar. Anywhooo... Here's Fernpelt as a queen. Comments? 01:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes seem kinda pixely. Is that how the style should be? o.o  I'm the one that told Paleh so you're very welcome

Re-uploaded They are supposed to be a bit pixely, but not a whole lot lol ilu Cloudeh   01:44, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste above her front-right paw.

Re-uploadedhere 02:25, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yay, can upload properly now 21:12, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the haunch stripes just a bit. 00:22, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:49, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? ouo

Petalfall (E) ~ CBA
Comments? <span style="">22:29, 31, 01, 2013

Blur the tail shading a tad? HOW JENROCK HOW DO YOU MAKE THESE IMAGES?!

Re-uploaded Vegemite, that is the secret. <span style="">02:10, 01, 02, 2013

Idk how to explain...but maybe add s'more stripes around the circular area on the hunch and on the tail? I will remember to have some Vegemite before chararting next time  <span style="">11:16 Fri Feb 1

Maybe tweak the lineart of her mouth to indicate her lack of teeth? looks something like this. 19:57, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Blegh stripes x.x <span style="">02:20, 05, 02, 2013

CBA? 21:55, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Snailpaw(A) - For Approval
Comments? Pointed Tabbies~<3 Before you ask me to remove the darker tail-tip and ears, I looked up pointed tabbies and a lot of them I found had darker ears and a darker tail-tip, so please do not ask me to remove them. =) 23:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

He needs to be dark brown. I quite like this, Duck. Job well done.

This is cute! Blur the tail tip and maybe add a few more stripes 23:09, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! 'Re-uploaded. 'Changes aren't showing for me. 02:41, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I also added a stripe coming from his eye-area, and I'd rather not remove that, either. I have multiple pictures I found that show a stripe in that area on pointed tabbies. x3  02:45, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Define le shading 05:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

There be some waste around most of the image, more specifically around the head, feet, and --> side of the tail.

Re-uploaded I lost the last file I had, so I had to redo what I did last upload, also. 23:18, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit, add more depth to the eyes, darken the earpink a little, blur the stripes and point the tips a lot more so they don't look so paintbrushy, and desaturate the stripes cause they're quite red right now. 21:00, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Actually on second thought only blur the haunch shading. 21:01, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think he could be a bit darker. Currently he's a dusty brown. 21:06, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 03:18, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if it's just me but the face stripe is in almost a burgundy color and is going across the top of the face, and doesn't match with the rest of the image. Fix it please? 03:30, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Darken him a tiny bit more, and define the shading. He seems a tad bit flat.

Re-uploaded' The facial stripe looks fine to me. o.o 00:25, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thrushpelt (TC) (Star) - For Approval
Comments? 19:29, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Lovely! Make him a bit more gray-brown. Bbun (talk) 19:31, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

I color picked him directly from the warrior. He's sandy grey. 19:33, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, right. My bad, he just looks a silver-ish to me, probably because of the shading. Bbun (talk) 19:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Breezey normally tints her shading, so that might be why it looks a tad different from the warrior, Beebs. I think it looks fine, and doesn't need to be changed.

Define the white flash on his chest a little, please? It's a little hard to distinguish from the sandy-grey :D. Very nice! I love the eyes! <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 01:58, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks. x3 18:17, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

This could just be my screen, but can you define the pale chest a tad? 23:20, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

shouldn't be pale, it should be white, so define it /lots/? I luffles this. 02:39, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

It is white. Like just a hint off of white white. 08:03, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hard to tell it apart from the gray though... 17:54, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think the white is fine. But maybe try to make it more rounded to match the other image? Just a preference. But can you also blur the tip of the tail shading a tad? 01:49, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Rainleap (W) ~ For Approval
Finally GIMP started to act cooperative, and I was able to actually start it. cx (no idea why that has been happening -shrugs-) First time I did one of these tabbies. Comments? o3o 01:22, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

A silver tabby is like Silverstream, a silverly base and dark gray or black stripes. 15:37, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur or smudge the stripes? 18:03, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Trhink the ear-pink a bit and even out the shadingl it looks a lot darker on the haunch and back 02:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink's fine, artist's choice whether you wanna fill the ear or not. And the shading doesn't have to be the same darkness on it all. 03:28, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Made the stripes darker(might have to do it a bit more... What do you think?) and blurred the stripes. 21:16, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The base still needs to be gray, not white 01:37, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

The base is fine. This is just a silvery-grey. 04:37, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

No I agree, it looks like an off white right now. I thought it was white when I first saw it in the new files. Darken it just a tad.

Reuploaded Made it a few shades darker. 01:51, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Daisytail (St) ~ For Approval
Right-o, if you guys can find a more realistic looking cat that is pale brown with dark ginger patches, by all means, please show me a picture, because I can't find one. This is a realistic as I can make at the moment with what I have to work with. 04:53, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Considering the other images are being redone for not being realistic, this honestly isn't all that much better... Perhaps something similar to a brindled dark tortie, except slighty more patchy? And also the base doesn't look very light brown, it looks more like a creamy color.. Darken and saturate it just a bit? 05:43, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. After talking to Kit about the description and being told that both of the designs I've come up with so far are in fact realistic, and basically chocolate calicos without white, and I'm not adding white because that would deviate from the description which I'm not willing to do, I've decided to go back to my first design. And I'm not changing the base color. It's tan, which is light brown. 21:04, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Explainging my POV on the spotty one: Looks like a Red & Cinnamon spotted tabbies can come out looking brownish, which is what the first version uploaded looked like to me. I think this second one just needs to have the fur directionality adjusted and it will be very close to the descrption and look like a Chocolate Tortie. 21:10, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh about the base; it looks like cream. It's not dark or saturated enough for even tan. I think this is what you're going for and that that is more of a light brown than this color and would make a much more realistic pattern. Although I thought were were going for a tortie or torbie that looks more like this, not the cream and ginger tabby we have now. 21:45, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * A torbie would require mixing in colors I'm not willing to mix in, as I'm sticking as close as I can to the description. 21:50, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

As you shouldn't. Two colors only. But I am sticking to what I think about the base being too creamy. 21:51, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, if you guys wanted it so badly, here. Re-uploaded. Picked this tan right off of Google. I still prefer the old color, since it went with the ginger better and was also a shade of light brown, but if you guys insist I guess I have no choice in the matter. 22:00, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

This is even more creamy honestly.... pleasedon'tshootme 23:00, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

This is tan. By definition. Tan. I can't help that they look alike. Can I please just switch back to the old color, because either way it's light brown. Tan. Cream. I'm not using the color from the old images or anything close to it because it's just base brown to me, not light brown. 23:20, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to get shot, but I seriously don't think this is light brown. It seems more like a darker cream-ish color, which, I know for a fact that's not light brown. Nowhere did anyone say that you needed to use the colors from the older image, and I think artist's choice and rejection of critique only goes so far, especially when multiple members are saying the same thing.

Gee thanks for putting down my color choices. =.= That is actually light brown on the queen, and I wasn't suggested you used it. There was no need to say that. >.> And fine whatever, go back to the old color, but if more people tell you to change it, it's not my fault. And I really appreciate you snapping at my color choices on the queen. .-. 23:43, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm inclined to agree with Skye and Paleh here on colors. This looks like a dark cream...compare it with Daisy's queen. Use Nettlesplash for a color idea, just to get you started...you can lighten it from there, but not to this extreme. 02:43, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Going with the definition of the word Tan and Cream are essentially a very light brown. The image dosen't put a definition on /how light/ that brown is. Shelly's making an artistic decision for the character (to use a light color). The original image is a Sepia brown, definetly not (IMO) a light one. Unless you have an actual reason you can cite from the books, Shelly's color choice is perfectly valid. Nettlesplash should be nominated for a tweak. It's a decidedly medium brown on that image. There must be something wrong with the color corrections on your monior (to give you numbers, when I colorpick the medium color on the Nettlesplash image [non-highlight or lowlight], it comes out 39% black). You guys are trying to force Shelly into making a /bad choice/ of color based on the description. 16:52, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

We're not asking her to make it the same color as the old image, we're just asking her to darken the brown because this looks like yellow or cream and makes her look like a ginger and cream tabby, which Daisytail is definitely not. She is light brown, which I'm pretty certain is "from the books." She's allowed to have an artistic license, but when four users think that it's off you'd think that, guess what, it's off. Next thing you know, you'll be allowed to have a white cat for a light brown or a black cat for a dark brown because "The image doesn't put a definition" on it. While this may be for many purposes a "brown" we shouldn't make an image yellow or cream if it is not specifically described as such and instead use a more neutral color that could be more widely considered light brown by all definitions. Although Nettlesplash sin't really a good example, Leafpool or Robinwing is more of a light brown. 21:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * In the end I can only give my opinion. Nettlesplash is a terrible example. But I would consider Leafpool's undercoat to be a very dark take on "light brown". Robinwing is also on the darker end of light brown. While I'll step aside in the name of consensus, that does not change my opinion that this is a nitpick change that seeks only to homogenize the art down to a single shade being applied to a phrase that encompasses a broad range of colors. Given that Ginger patches on light brown is description wise fully a match to a ginger and cream tabby I still see no issues on that front. In the end, though, consensus does win. 03:07, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Mintpaw (CJ) (Ki) - For Approval
Yes she gets an image.

''"“I don’t recall you putting up much of a fight with your three when they wanted to play!” Cloudstar reminded him. Snailpaw, Tansypaw, and Mintpaw were apprentices now, strong and good at climbing trees like all SkyClan warriors, but Buzzardtail had been as soft as honey with them when they were born." ''

Gosh bert, sure do a good job at making an image hard to match xD Comments? 21:46, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

because i love you so much maybe, on the tail texture, smudge or blur, because it's looking a tad like stripes. This be gorgeous<333333 <span style="">06:25 Tue Feb 5

Since it's textured, I'd say actually make the texture move in line with the way fur flows on an animal rather than straight up and down. 16:55, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

It does flow in line with the fur for the most part. It's just that the most define part goes down because I couldn't see very much direction there. Everything else goes along with the fur, it's just harder to see is all. 21:31, February 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I speak most specifically of the chest, where their should be some curve and then lines are perfectly straight vertically. Does this kitten suffer from flat-chested kitten syndrome? It should have some curve there, reflecting the fact that the fur's on an animal that's got curves to it. The side and the tail, where you did honor the shape of the animal look very nice. It's the chest that's off-looking. 03:13, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

-shrugs- As I said, it is curved over there, the straight lines are just more defined. But very well, I'll fix it. 04:07, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * It should take the image from being so-so into amazing, by treating the kit blank like it's got a chest and shoulders. 22:49, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Snailpaw (Ki) ~ For Approval
Paleh, I shall be commited to him okay. Comments? Bbun (talk) 00:48, February 5, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Oakheart (Star) ~ For Approval
Not sure if changes are showing or not. If you check the history of the image, and something shows that wasn't Beeb's last version, it's probably mine. xD Comments? 22:57, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the face, shoulder, and paws dearie~ 23:50, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Tansypaw (ki) ~ For Approval


Oi, this was hard. Comments? 18:10, February 6, 2013 (UTC)