Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Jumper's Alt Loner
This is probably a pretty dumb question, but what is Jumper's alt loner for? ErmineGlow (talk) 23:48, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

He is mistakenly shown with a underbite. His brother Hoot has the underbite.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:49, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay. Now for more questions. Question 1: How is a underbite shown on the charart blanks? And question 2: Do alts have to match the original pattern if it's for something like the underbite? ErmineGlow (talk) 23:54, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

do we really need these as alts though? wouldnt it fall under minor? I don't see the point in having what amounts to another set, the only difference being teeth. 15:18, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

That does sound minor... I mean, it's noted in the trivia, so I'm not entirely sure he needs an alt. Hm.

I probably have the unpopular opinion but I think this is major enough to get an alt. It's not a misplaced piece of white or a pale muzzle, it's an actual deformity he is shown with. 23:03, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Also, especially since it is a pretty major mistake when it comes to identifying who the heck is who! I mean, really he looks incredibly similar to Hoot.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:17, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Agreeing with David, seems very minor

I agree with Skt about it not really needing an alt, but we give alts for things like a pale muzzle (hopefully we can get that changed through the above discussion), and if we're going to keep those, I think we would have to give it for something like this. 20:20, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

is it major if you literally cannot tell them apart without them being called their names to begin with? its a few pixel difference, and you can barely see the teeth without clicking on the images themselves. the pattern is also exactly the same owing to them being completely identical. I don't see how it qualifies, and if anything, it's down to whoever getting their names mixed up, since only one is ever shown at a time with teeth sticking out. 20:24, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

(what i mean is that do we know they mean hoot or jumper? them only being referred to once each casts doubt on who they mean anyway, so can it really be used as it being 'major' proof? we just go with the first because that's usually how it's done here.) 20:38, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

sooo.....we going anywhere with this 14:23, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Probably not. Should I just archive this and leave things as-is until someone else wants to decide what to do? It's not really going one way or the other...and the conversation is just sorta sitting here.

File Names
Hey, just for future reference, when we name images, there are certain characters that will only need the first part of their name, kinda like what we've done for the Tribe cats. CharartName is the template that holds all of this lovely information, and allows us to keep file names shorter, while still allowing them to be displayed on certain pages.

For example, let's take Fox (DTC). You would think that his file names would have to be  , and for whatever other ranks he has. With this template, it allows the file name to be  , while still displaying on the article. Most of these don't apply to future projects, but we never know what'll happen in the future.

In addition to the Tribe cats, these articles have had their file names changed, because they are technically the only cat in the series with these names, but due to their usage elsewhere (cobwebs are used for healing, magpies are birds, petals are used in medicine, ect), we have to alter the article names:
 * Cobweb (Cat)=Cobweb
 * Cow (MFV)=Cow
 * Daisy (Cat)=Daisy
 * Fox (DTC)=Fox
 * Frog (Ro)=Frog
 * Jay (Cat)=Jay
 * Magpie (Cat)=Magpie
 * Mole (Cat)=Mole
 * Petal (DTC)=Petal
 * Sparrow=Sparrow
 * Snake (DotC)=Snake
 * Stick (Cat)=Stick
 * Tansy (Cat)=Tansy
 * Toad (HJ)=Toad
 * Tom (ES)=Tom

I'm going through and fixing the rest of the links for these images, but if anyone else sees anything, please let me know and I'll tinker with it.

Su cites images
So, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but since I've heard we're removing the Su cites because the links are broken now, what will happen to the images of those affected (ex. File:Pricklekit (WC).kit.png)? Will they stay in the database for now, or will they be deleted? 22:05, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

I think they should be kept in case we get the cites back.

I think we should be deleting them, but that's just me. /^: Of course people can keep the art on their charart stashes if they want, but for wiki purposes, they should be gone since they're not canon. I honestly doubt we will get further confirmation on this stuff. But, again, that's just me.

Honestly they should be kept. We could get confirmation that the descriptions were valid. (Not just saying this cause some of my better images were done for these pages). 00:02 Tue Oct 24

I could have sworn I already said that I'm not going to be deleting them. They already went through the approval process and are still valid to PCA. For some users, those might be a nice portion of their images, and that would be a huge slap in their faces to get rid of them. If we ever get confirmation of some of this information, it'll be good to already have these on-hand.

Heyo, we from the German Wiki we made screenshots of (hopefully) every answer Su ever gave. We named them after the User that asked and a brief title what the question/answer ist referring to. If you'd like I can upload those to here (since the ones we already have on the wiki aren't fully uploaded yet) once I get home to access my PC with all the files. I assume you don't want the ones about the Missing Kits so I'm gonna leave those out. Do you want me to rename the screenshots to a certain structure or are you fine if they have the screen name of the one who asked the question and a tag that describes what it's about? (e.g. if someone called "UserXYZ" asked about whether Mousefur had a mate, the screenshot would be named "UserXYZ - Mousefur.png") 13:51, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

If we don't have the direct links to the Facebook page with the comments still intact, we can't use them. As much as we'd probably rather not lose a lot of our work, the way we do things here won't allow us to just use screenshots. We need that link to the Facebook comments, otherwise those cites are technically invalid and don't count here.

Well as you probably know the links are still accessable and technically still correct the problem is just that Su made her profile private. I don't have Facebook so I don't know if this is the case but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the people who are friends with her could still see those comments.

It's a bummer that webarchive doesn't work with Facebook pages and I doubt anyone bothered to try and save them all.

This makes me wonder, though: shouldn't this logic of needing the original be visible also apply to the Summer 2011 Erin Hunter Chat from the official forums? Sorry to get a little off track here but when visiting the Questions and Answers board with webarchive around 2011~2012-ish there is no such thread to be seen and the link to the chat that was used in previous versions of the article here doesn't offer any results. What happened to this chat? 14:23, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

I was once friends with Su on Facebook, and she told me that she would prefer to keep that account professional. I don't blame her one bit- people were downright cruel to her, and if this is how she prevents further harassment, I don't think we should be attracting any attention whatsoever to her account or anything associated with it. This also means I don't think any one of us would be able to see that information.

Regardless, if the general public cannot see those cites, then I don't think we can use them. It would probably be best for Su if we don't have anything that could possibly link her current account to what she used to reply to comments on Vicky's Facebook page. If she has her profile set as private, it's that way for a reason and we shouldn't be trying to dig into her personal account just for some answers about a cat book series.

I did have a copy of the information revealed in the 2011 Erin Hunter Chat on the "official forums". The issue with that is that the moderators delete any and all old threads, and since the forum itself closed a fairly decent time ago, none of that information is still accessible. I'm not sure why they deleted the threads, but any attempt to ask was met with the "no mentioning outside websites" comment, and our replies+threads deleted and accounts banned.

Fair enough, I heard people even blamed her for Tigerheart's Shadow which kinda makes me lose even more faith in humanity.

About the forums though: you can still access the forums with saves like this from 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20110901221406/http://forums.warriorcats.com:80/eve/forums/a/frm/f/4111057852

My issue is that both 2010 chats can still be fully viewed, but the one from 2011 doesn't even seem to show up in that subboard like, at all. Even if this thread was deleted or no one made a save of the actual thread, you'd still see it in previous saves of this page even if you can't see it's content. Unless, of course the thread was in another subboard but I find that hard to believe. 15:00, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

I think that we should get rid of the images on the pages themselves but not delete the images. (Or did we already do that?) 17:29, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

Tigerstar
I know I am going to be killed for bringing this up again, so let us try not to attack each other like we did last time, all right? So Jayce and I were discussing something and we came across the fact that Tigerstar does not match Hawkfrost, in which he should. Out of the three, (remember that it is a huge plot in the storyline that they are meant to look exactly like each other, to the point where Firestar can't trust Brambleclaw at all because he looks exactly like Tigerstar and sees him every single time, and there was a point where Hawkfrost jumped out and Firestar was so spooked because he thought it was Tigerstar given a tenth life) Hawkfrost is the only one with a given tabby pattern. Now, I know that once again you guys are going to tell me that the images cannot match 100%, in which I completely respect and understand. However, my issue is, they do not match at all. Bramblestar matches Hawkfrost close enough, I believe, unless we want to dispute that, but Tigerstar does not. Tigerstar's stripes are not even close to what Hawkfrost's are, and once again, I know that it cannot and should not be a 100% match, but bear with me here. Tigerstar's colors are also very different, and I cannot see any part of him that resembles Hawkfrost in the slightest. I believe that Tigerstar's images should be tweaked to match Hawkfrost a bit more. No, not 100%, but around maybe like 70%. I understand that we cannot just copy Hawkfrost's image, put it on Tigerstar, and call it a day. But that is my opinion, and I would like to see what you guys think. 17:29, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think he's fine. It's probably just the texture that's throwing off Tigerstar's color from Hawkfrost's and Bramblestar's. Their stripes match pretty well, I'd even say that Tigerstar's stripes are closer to Hawkfrost's than Bramblestar's, in my opinion. But even then, they do match pretty well, but not exactly. 00:01, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

I compared their apprentice images side by side and I got that bramble and hawk's stripes are almost exactly the same save for the fact that hawk has chest stripes and bramble has a pale chest. They're also both relatively similar to Tigerstar, but they don't match as well as they could. I mean, we had hoot and jumper match barley exactly (I know we had pictures confirming they looked exactly alike, but still) If several cats have mistaken bramble and hawk for tiger, then they should match almost exactly, like how bramble and hawk match.

I compared Hawkfrost and Tigerstar's images and think the stripes are very similar, the colors are a little different, and I think the most notable difference between their images is Tigerstar's pale chest