Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Change in main quote for Moonrise
Hi, Shelly here to ask for one thing: that the quote for Moonrise be changed. The current quote certainly is romantic, but all it does is ruin the ending of the book. Quotes four and five from the nomination provided dramatic foreshadowing and showed what the book would be about. All the currently selected quote does is tell us that Feathertail dies, whoop de doo. So, I was told that if I wanted it changed I'd have to propose it here, so there it is. 05:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with you, but it's just my opinion. I voted for quote 2 (I think) because I thought quote 1 because it was too spoilerish. There are better quotes. No offence too the people who voted for that quote. 06:19, 19, 03, 2012

Agreed, it gives away the Prologue and the end of the book, we need a new one. I would prefer either 4 or 5, both are amazing. Raineh Pwns all others  00:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I need to agree. Plus, I don't think that romance should play such a big role in the Warriors series, and it's just a bit too dramatic. I think that the book articles' quotes could be more..."mysterious" instead of dramatic. -- 04:00, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree on it being changed. It's a little too spoilerish. That's why I didn't vote for it. 00:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be changed....I'll ask Skye her opinion, as well~ 00:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Rainly, I'm the one that told Shelly to suggest changing it. That's fine with me. Shelly, which quote would you suggest placing on the article? 09:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about this. Anyway, the quotes I would use are either: "Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight or "We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

Both of these quotes do not contain major spoilers for the end of the book and they are relevant to the entire plot.

In fact, I propose that the main quotes for all of the book articles be re-examined for spoilers and relevance. Romantic quotes are fine and good, but the main quote is located very high above the spoiler tag in book articles.

Sign of the Moon, for instance. The main quote for that article is all fine and good, but there's a better choice: "Maybe we should be like the moon's reflection, holding fast whatever happens?" -Half Moon

That quote contains very little spoilers and is even relevant to the title of the book. The current quote spoils the fact that Jayfeather founds the Tribe of Rushing Water.

These quotes need to be picked out carefully, is what I'm saying. They should be relevant to the main plot, they should ideally be from at least the first half of the book, and if not then at least the first two-thirds, and it shouldn't spoil the end of the book for anyone that glances at the article and hasn't read the book yet. 05:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a complete overhaul of the quotes already on the articles. It would do us some good to be able to really go through and decide what belongs and what doesn't. I'll try and go through a few of them tonight to see what I can find. It's a really good idea.. 20:07, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The book quotes I find fault with are:
 * Into the Wild (the quote would be better suited for a later book when he actually has an inner conflict about whether or not he made the right choice when joining ThunderClan, leaving his twolegs was hardly a problem relevant to Into the Wild)


 * Fire and Ice (that quote has almost nothing to do with the main plot. and only has to do with a single point in the book. It'd be better with Bluestar's quote telling Fireheart and Graystripe to find WindClan)


 * Forest of Secrets (the entire plot didn't revolve around this, and it's yet another quote from late in the book. A quote about Oakheart being killed by a rockfall and not a cat would be most pertinent, I think)


 * Rising Storm (Another quote from close to the end of the book, Runningnose's prophecy would be best in my opinion)


 * A Dangerous Path (I really don't think that Tigerstar's lie foreshadows the plot well. Heck, "Pack pack, kill kill" would be better than that)


 * The Darkest Hour (yet another quote from the end of the book. BloodClan isn't even officially named until late in the book. The quote when Tigerstar strikes his deal with Scourge would be better, imo)


 * Midnight (another quote form the end of the book which spoiler exactly who Midnight is. It'd be better with the prophecy given to Brambleclaw at the beginning)


 * Moonrise (already spoke on that)


 * Dawn (another quote from the end of the book. I think it'd be better off with the Clans making the decision to leave the forest)


 * Twilight (aaaand another quote from the end of the book. Why not Cinderpelt and the other MC's talking about their prophecies predicting the attack?)


 * The Sight (another quote from the end of the book, dang it, and it spoils the prophecy Jaypaw finds. Why not go with the prophecy Firestar remembers in the prologue? Same impact, less spoilers)


 * Outcast (it'd be better off with a quote from when the Tribe cats are asking the Clan cats to come help them)


 * Eclipse (not as bad as the others, but still from late in the book)


 * Long Shadows (major spoilers, from the end of the book. I'd personally prefer to see the moment Blackstar declares that ShadowClan will not be attending gatherings)


 * Sign of the Moon (spoils the fact that Jayfeather founded the tribe, it'd be better with Half Moon's moon sign)

Jeez... I had a harder time finding a quote that I was okay with already in place. Eesh. 20:34, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the other books.


 * Crookedstar's Promise (major, major spoilers)


 * Shattered Peace (from the last pages of the book)

20:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think maybe we should all look over the quotes for each book and see what everyone thinks. Maybe even a vote for which ones to change? 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe instead of putting the spoiler warning where the Summary starts, we could put it at the very top of the page, before the quote. 02:45, 10, 04, 2012

I'm up for moving the spoiler tags. Although, replacing some of the quotes would be a good idea. However, I'm not up for replacing all of the ones Shelly suggested. Those are her own personal preferences, after all.

I agree with Cloudy. Changing all of those quotes are going to take a LOT of time. We still have other books to worry about......I think they should stay the way they are now. 14:10, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

With all honesty, I believe most of those quotes are fine....and, we have other jobs to worry about before getting down to nit-picky details such as this. 14:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with moving the spoiler tag, but I think most of those quotes are fine. Though on The Sight, the original prophecy would be better, it's not a big deal. Other than that I think the others are fine.... (aside from moonrise) 15:16, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm against moving all the spoiler tags to the top of the page, as I think most of those quotes are ok. I think there are three or four that do need changing, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't see the point in moving the spoiler tags because of a couple of easily changed faulty quotes. 08:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Of course some have to be changed, but not all of them Shelly listed, in my opinion. I'm still up with moving the spoiler tag, and Leopard, I respect your decision. 01:54, 16, 04, 2012

Okay, after thinking it over, I do think that some of them should be changed, but, not all of them. It's a matter of going through (as Shelly did, it seems) and finding which ones are in dire need of being replaced, and we can handle the other ones later on.

We probably should start with Moonrise, since that's the book quote that brought this on to begin with, so if anyone wants to throw a few suggestions out there, be my guest.

Ifound a couple:

Be careful Firestar, you may go in peace, but the other Clans might not see it that way ~ Sorreltail, pg 104

Clans won't survive if they can't work together ~ Feathertail, pg 65

And Shelly got these too, don't forget.

"Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight

"We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

I think one of them will work. 08:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should actually just delete the quote(s) on the main page and we can redo the quote nominations. The vote could be titled Forum:Moonrise ~ Quote Nomination 2 or something. Just a thought, so we don't have to go through a whole bunch of quotes in this section. 06:00, 05, 05, 2012

Mmhmm. That's an excellent idea. Leopard, if you want to just re-post that idea as a new topic, be my guest. This is starting to take up a lot of space. XD

I know I'm opening here a can of worms, but I'd have two remarks regarding this discussion: Kind regards, 19:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we need quotes on the book articles? Quotes have some use on character pages, as they might present an important trait of a cat (since character pages don't have a section that present the cat in general and summarize what they did), but I don't know if they have a use on book pages.
 * Do we need spoiler tags on this site? Like, at all? They would have a point if only 10% or 20% of the pages contained spoilers, so they could be distinguished... but since (almost) all do, placing tags on all pages is redundant. We could simply mention this fact on the front page.

Hey, open all the cans of worms you want, Helice. I don't mind one bit. You have every right to speak your mind.
 * The quotes were added as something extra on the articles, and it was something I came up with to try and get a little more activity out of the project, and try and convince some of the newer members to actually help out every once in a while, since most of the project's articles are already silver grade or gold grade levels. A lot of the members seem to like adding the quotes, but if they're not needed, they're not needed.


 * As for the spoiler tags... that's a really good question. I always took it as something an article needed, and never thought much else of it. However, they are becoming a little... obsolete, since half the time, they're not in the right places, or there's already a spoiler //above// the tag. I'm all for removing them from book articles, and placing something on the main page. Most people who come here actually come to read the articles, and don't care much for the tags in the first place. They know the spoilers are going to be there.

Comments, guys?

The removal of a spoiler tag would be nice. And we could just make one giant one that reads "WARNING!!! THERE WILL BE MAJOR SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK." Or something like that. 19:53, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I do quite like the "Read at your own risk" thing...and that might be something we could incorporate, if we can come to an agreement. However, since the tags are used throughout the entire wiki, I think this should be something taken to a forum discussion, so the entire wiki can state their opinions on this.

A side note. If it's about finding some tasks for the project to do, we had several plans for that about two years ago (though we didn't manage to get working on any, since lots of people left that autumn and the new leaders did not take up the ideas): Kind regards, 10:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Separate articles for each chapter in the books (such as this wiki has here).
 * Articles about important, large-scale events, sometimes spanning several books, such as Journey to Midnight. (Yes, I know Journey is a PW article, but by the projects' definitions, it should be in PB)

We have spoiler warnings because since the series is so long, it'd be best to warn the readers that there may be content that they may not have read. Also, how many of us really bother with the main page nowadays? I personally go straight to the recent activity as (I'm assuming) most users do, whether new or old. I'm sure users can find quotes that don't spoil the plot or ending details of a book anyways.

As for finding PB to do, I'd like to see the cliffnotes advanced. 17:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Advanced, how, 'Teldy? Could you elaborate on that? Like, do you mean adding more detail to each of the chapters, or something completely different?

I don't have an idea yet, but you could do what Helix suggested and make each chapter a page. The purpose for cliffnotes is a mute purpose now as I don't feel they describe the minor and major events of each chapter. But I think it would be a good idea to focus on something like that. 22:44, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I came up with a rogue idea of something I think could work, and you can see it here. Now, mind you, this is just what I thought could be used. If you guys have other things you want to add, please, feel free to comment.

Looks great, Cloudy! I don't have too much to suggest... o.o Anyways, I've been following this discussion for quite some time now, and I like the idea of these detailed cliffnote pages. I guess I suggest that the Errors are to be cited too. x3 00:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Of course they'll be cited. It's going to be the same as it is on the other pages. If there's no citation, it's going to be swiftly removed from the page.

Okay, here's a question that's been pondering my mind... would this be a subpage of the main articles, or something entirely different? Like, take for example the book I chose to use in the Sketchboard, SkyClan's Destiny. Would it be SkyClan's Destiny/Chapter 1, or something along those lines for a page name, or would we make an entirely new page for each one?

I'm kind of intrigued with the subpages as it would keep everything in a neat file, per say. As for the page layout, I think it would most definitely work and be much more advanced and detailed than the cliffnotes are now. 06:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I like the advanced cliffnotes - they work better than the ones we have and they would give us more work to do, and I especially like the idea of listing the errors. For Cloudy's question, I think in my opinion, I would like to see a new subpage for each chapter, because it keeps everything neat. 15:28, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't subpages take up a lot of space on the Wiki for /each/ chapter? Jun 27, 2012; 15:45pm

Eh, not really... The current cliffnotes system is basic, and it needs to be redone, regardless of what way we go about this. Personally, the most efficient (and more detailed) way is to use something like the page I've made. We pride ourselves in being a wiki that most come to for information, including Kate Cary herself. Now, shouldn't we strive to improve the wiki even more by installing a newer system that documents even more information from the books? There are wikis that have thousands upon thousands of pages; this is something small compared to the wikis I've seen.

Yes, as Cloudy said, there are wikis with way, way more pages than this wiki. Since this is a warriors encyclopedia, and our goal is to make it one of the best warriors encyclopedia on the web, we should have our plots detailed without having them copied. So, I feel that the subpages would be a great enhancement of detail of the cliffnotes. 21:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

The Last Hope - Silver Nomination
This was done a while ago, but I never got around to nominating it. It's full and everything looks fine. Comments? 19:20, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expand the cliffnotes for chapters 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 18-23, and 27? 00:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I guess shorten up the history a bit. Just enough to summarize the whole book with details about important events, but not all too detailed. Try discarding info that's not really important. 00:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Removed info from the plot history. Leggy, instead of expanding just those chapters, I'll go ahead and expand them all. 01:29, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Have they been expanded yet? 17:04, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Enter the Clans
Okay, so this is something I'm confused about. It's two books into one, with teasers at the end. For the plot summary, should we copy Secrets of the Clans and Codes of the Clans together to make the plot summary, plus the teasers of Yellowfang's Secret? They're official now, so I don't know if it will hurt to add them in. Plus, apprentice Featherwhisker is adorable. <3 19:34, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Umm...yeah. That sounds good and logical to me. I don't believe anyone would disagree, so, go for it^^. (Yes. Yes he is<3) 04:52, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Would the same thing qualify for the cliffnotes? (He's so beautiful and fluffy) 20:08, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Most likely, yes. Lemme ask Skye, though, for a final verdict. (Ikr?<3) 98.232.247.41 21:08, July 2, 2012 (UTC) (This is Leggy, not logged in)

Has there been an answer? 23:59, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

August FA
Onhonhonhon...it is never too early to start one of these. >:D

Last month, we chose Battle of the Clans...so I'd rather stay away from a field guide this month. ya know, to mix things up a bit. CP and Hollyleaf's Story were both brough up last month. Any other suggestions? 04:50, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think CP might still have some cliffnote issues. As for HS, I'm up for that one. I know it's good, since I worked on that entire article in like...a few hours. 8D ( jeez, August already...? Wow....  )

Maybe Dawn? CP would be good too o3o 04:57, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd be okay with Dawn too, but we just did a main arc novel not too long ago. So, why not try for something else this time?

I'd like Dawn or The Elder's Concern. 05:10, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to see a short story as a FA. 13:59, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

A short story would work just fine. x3 I like The Elder's Concern and Hollyleaf's Story a lot. 14:01, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Novellas are good. I guess The Elder's Concern would work. 18:03, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hm...I'd like to see ''Brightspirit's Mercy. But, I like Hollyleaf's Story and The Elder's Concern.'' 16:05, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like Hollyleaf's Story to be the FA (Novellas - woot!), but I also like Brightspirit's Mercy. 17:01, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I totally forgot about Brightspirit's Mercy....I really like HS, but BM can work as well. 20:02, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to see BM as the FA. If others disagree, then HS is fine. 15:53, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I totally agree with BM or HS =) 16:54, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Short stories! Both are great choices. 17:27, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Beyond the Code - Quote Nomination
If necessary, I'll find more quotes. So here they are. :3

1. "We have to trust him. That's what being a warrior is all about." Leafstar to Clovertail, page 24

2. "You know nothing about the warrior code. You've put the whole Clan in danger!" Sharpclaw to Sol, page 41

3. "Mama, when I get bigger, I'm gonna be a warrior. Just like the cats from the sky. I'll catch us all the prey we can eat!" Sol to Cinders as a kit, page 59

4. "For a heartbeat my brain won't just work. There's so much to do. So much destroyed." Leafstar's thoughts, page 87

5. "StarClan help me, I'm afraid this could be a challenge too far." Leafstar's thoughts, page 89

Comments? 01:23, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I like number one. x3 01:25, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Haven't read this book yet (don't really care for the mangas) but I like number 1, 4, and 6. 01:28, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I like number one too. And Icy, there is no number 6... 02:39, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I love one and four. 02:42, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Eh. I meant 5. Sorry. Braindead. x_x 03:44, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 00:22, July 8, 2012 (UTC)