Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Dibs for OAs
Everyone knows that the OA of apprentice images is getting kinda fuzzy, so it needs to be fixed. The fact is, the dibs should be over. If you havent done the image yet, youre just being greedy and doing other ones because you know those are yours. Its not fair. I propose that they are just done now. No more first dibs for OAs. 22:04, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Phew! 23:06, Sat, Dec, 17, 2011

Yeah. xD 00:12 Sun Dec 18

Yay! Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 00:17, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Aww...I really wanted to do leopardpaw. :( 00:36, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair to me. And if you want Leopardpaw, go reserve her before someone else. You've had ample time (not trying to sound rude)  01:05, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Inactiveness
I've noticed some mentors not doing anything with their apprentices because they aren't even online at all. One of these mentors including myself. Me and Paleclaw discussed this, and she said that if an apprentice hasn't came on so they could be taught by their mentor, they are booted from the apprentice chart. Not the project, just the mentor program. If they get on again, they can rejoin. I'd like to teach an apprentice instead of waiting around for them to come on. In agreement, add to this. In disagreement, ignore me. 01:16, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, kicking an apprentice of the chart should be up to the mentor. Some are willing to wait, some aren't. You know, that was the project doesn't have to monitor how active every student is with their mentor. 02:00, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I get that. I just think the project should come up with a limit of how much time an apprentice can be inactive before they can be removed from the system. 02:05, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if they're inactive they're removed from the project anyway, aren't they? Just like everyone else. 02:07, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

But don't they have to be like inactive for a month or more to be removed from the project? If they're inactive, they're taking a up a user's apprentice slot that could be used to train a new member. I was thinking like maybe 2 weeks? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  05:21, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it should be up to the mentor. If their apprentice isn't active enough for their liking, they should be allowed to get a new one. They're volunteering their own time to teach someone, and if they're not there, it's pointless. And by the time you're a mentor you should be able to show good judgement on whether your apprentice is active enough for you. Breeze whisker  05:44, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmmm I think that sounds good Breeze. But what if the mentor wants to give up their apprentice merely because they don't like them? It's not like people would be monitering that. Should it be allowed if we go with that solution? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

My point exactly. Three weeks sounds like a good limit on inactiveness to the mentor program. But what Shellheart said about them getting kicked out of the project all together, I think three weeks is a quite small time limit to get kicked out of the overall project. If the apprentice has a reason, I see why. But if it's just a continuous slack, there should be a limit to where you should just drop them off. 18:14, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, to be honest. But if you dislike your apprentice that much to not want to be their mentor anymore it's not doing anybody any good. You could just trust the mentors until they prove themselves otherwise. Or have them fill out a complaint with their issue and reasoning. If the number of dropped apprentices becomes questionable, the leads could review whether or not they are qualified to be a mentor and it could go from there. Haha This is probably a silly idea and way complicated, but eh. Breeze whisker  22:01, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Apprenticeship ~ Mooneh
Can I please become an apprentice? I only have Gimp, so I will need a someone who uses Gimp as my mentor. Thanks,

Of course you may! I'll add you in. To find a mentor, though, you'll have to go here. Also, check the Guidelines if you have any questions. Welcome to PCA! 00:42, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-join
Cloudskye, you have some magical power that makes people see the common sense they're missing.

Anywho, I am re-joining PCA, but not much art is expected, but i'll be in every discussion I possibly can. xD. 00:35, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Great! I'll add you in as an apprentice. Refresh yourself on the Guidelines if you need to, and welcome back! 00:40, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

FEATHER! Your back! ^^ 00:42, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yesh! Feather! Your back! 01:24 Wed Dec 21

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD! 05:20, Wed, Dec, 21, 2011

Yay! Welcome back, Feather! 17:12, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

It's about dang time you listened to me. Welcome back, Feather. =) 22:41, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

BloodClan
Shouldn't BloodClan have separate lineart? They aren't normal rouges.

Hisss, I&#39;m Smile.cat! 01:43, December 21, 2011 (UTC)Scourgeluv303Hisss, I&#39;m Smile.cat! 01:43, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, BloodClan cats are classified as rogues. We just give them a studded collar. - Scarlet   wind    ✧ L i   s a   n n a ✧  02:16, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tigerstar's muzzle
Hey. I know we've been talking recently about what does and does not get added to a cat's description, but here's a question. Tigerstar has been depicted more than once with a white or pale muzzle and underside, in Cats of the Clans and The Rise of Scourge. Should that be added to his description since it's a recurring thing? Tabbies often have paler muzzles and undersides anyway. Otherwise I suppose he'd get an alt for that (which I've already reserved). 20:28, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh the text is bright red! It hurt my eyes! Anyway...i don't know...i mean,i think it should but...it was added, but then taken off....so...no clue Dx Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 20:32, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I know, I think someone's siggy is broken. =_= Anyway, that's because it was never added to his description. I think it should be, personally. 20:35, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

No it was,he was given a black muzzle and one paw once, i think, not sure about the paw, and then Icestorm tweaked his leader image, and then we removed the thing about the muzzle. But I think it should... Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 20:37, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not black, white Maplepool. I think it should be added to the desription and tweaked, plus tabbies usually have lighter underparts anyway. Its a sahme the project doesnt show it more often. 20:38, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. If anyone else agrees, I'll add it to his description and I'll add it to the charart I'm already working on. 20:47, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. But would this mean Firestar also has tabby added to his description (though that wouldn't require a tweak) and paler fur around his muzzle and eyes? And it's true that almost all tabbies have lighter underbellies and stuff like that. Could we make it so it's the artist's choice whether or not to add it? Just an idea. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:06, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

^If we do that, then we would have to add it to every single tabby here. Shelly just said that technically all tabbies have pale bellies and such. If so then why are we talking only about Tigerstar here? I dont think the matter is that important, but it's just my opinion. - 22:21, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention if we did that, we'd be hypocrits not to redo every tabby with an unrealistic style 22:31, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

But I mean, why can't we make it like the tabby stripes on torties? Where we're not gonna tweak them all, but it can be up to the artist whether they want to or not. And I think most tabbies have paler underbellies, but I've seen some with either none, or so faint that you almost can't tell. I see no need to tweak, but I think we should let people add paler bellies and muzzles to the tabby chararts they do if that want. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:43, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say every tabby. Just most. It's a typical thing, a tabby having a pale underbelly. Frankly, most cats have pale underbellies where their fur thins out on their stomaches. I don't think this constitutes a tweak of all images. ^^; I'd say, yeah, it should be a personal choice. 02:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Although most normal cats have pale underbellies, since when are Erin cats normal? I mean, let's look at Blackstar, Spottedpaw, Shrewfoot, etc. They do not care about cat genetics in the slightest. I don't think we should add pale underbellies unless it's cited. 02:54, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, fun fact, Spottedpaw is possible. He's just a tortie. Like this torbie. But you're right. In Tigerstar's case, though, he's been depicted as such enough times that it's added. 03:21, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

But that's like saying we shouldn't have added stripes to all ginger cats since the Erins don't care about genetics. And like I said, we wouldn't be tweaking anything, like we did with the ginger cats, we'd just be making it the artist's choice from here on in. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:37, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Paleh's right. Leave it up to the artist. And now back to the original matter I presented... you know, by the logic I used, Crookedstar should have cream underparts as he's always depicted that way. :\ I dunno... Hate to poke holes in my own logic, honestly. Maybe Tigerstar with a pale muzzle and underparts should be an alt like Crookedstar's is. 14:46, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Crooked got a cite for the pale belly after his images were redone. I don't think pale = cream but if so we could use my alt for his main image and redo all his other images (again) 17:23, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

True. But what about Tigerstar? Should it be an alt or his main image? Yes, all of his images depict him with pale underpart, but I'm still unsure. 18:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think if a cat is consistently shown a certain way in official art, but not described in book as that, they should have it added to their description. Such as Firestar, Crookedstar, Tigerstar, and others. But what if they're consistently shown as something that goes against their book description? Just a plain alt? It would seem a bit odd to add some to the description and make some alts.... I'm not sure. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:42, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I'd absolutely love if we could make Crookedstar's alt his main image. That is probably my favorite image on the whole wiki. *.* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  22:43, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

You cant really talk hypothetical with these things, we kinda just have to tackle them as they come and make a fair decision on each. As for Crookedstar, it would be easier just to revert them to before they were redone, and just delete the alt(sorry Ivy). Then rather then redoing every single image, its just the one apprentice. Its easier and saves the project a lot of hassle. 05:43, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

But weren't the stripes redone cause they were unrealistic? As much as I liked them, they were triangle stripes... the stripes on the alt are fine, so why not use it? Chances are the stripes will just get redone again eventually, and we'll have just as much work. I think we should keep the alt. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:41, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Paleclaw, and not just because the alt. is my image. It was also redone because he was red-brown, not brown. 18:00, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, if the project is willing, why not? We don't avoid work, we embrace it. 21:30, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Loners (again)
So, since the apprentices are about 60% of the way done (woo) how shall we go about deciding who will do the blanks? I'd love to do them, but I'd also endorse Breezewhisker doing them if she wants to. 21:36, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I thought Iceheart said not to bring this up again till the apprentices were finished? And I think Breeze should do them personally, but if people think only leads should be considered (which I don't think would be right at all) then I'm not sure. I'd like to do them honestly, but I'm sure there are people who'd do better than me. I'd have to see how well they make blanks. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:04, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should see if the lineart we have now can be tweaked first, before re-doing them. The apprentice lineart was redone because it looked weird. I don't know much about cat anatomy, but, I think they could be tweaked instead of being completely redone. 22:06, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Don't hate me, but I just tried tweaking them, and they came out alright, so I don't feel they need a redo. We still have more apprentices to go and a lot that need to approved still, so hold your horses for a bit. But with my blanks, we wouldn't need to redo 40 more images. 22:08, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I agree with Cloudy and Ivy. Even I tried tweaking them long before the apprentices were being redone, and they came out alright: I dont think the loners blanks flaws are too major for a complete redo. Maybe tweak the areas where they dont seem correct or something. - 22:15, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful Bloo :D And I totally agree. We probably just need to tweak around the head/face areas. F i r e s t a r ! Merry Christmas &amp; Hannukah to all!  22:17, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'll redo them if you want me to, but I have to disagree about it being just the face that needs tweaked. This is a cat moving like that. Look how it slinks and is close to the ground. Not meaning to offend anybody, but the loners' lineart looks more canine than it does feline. Breeze whisker  22:33, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree on that. That would mean tweaking on the whole body. F i <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">s <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">t <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Green>Merry Christmas &amp; Hannukah to all!  22:35, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Awww, heck yes. Alright, if you are gonna redo them at least keep the same pose. I mean, that's the least you can do ^^ - 22:37, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking would be good. Question, why on the talk page is this in red? PRESENT TIME! Give me them!  22:40, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should re-do it, or do major tweaking. Also, it's the Holiday Season so, why not xD <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">F <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">i <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">s <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">t <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Green>Merry Christmas &amp; Hannukah to all!  22:42, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wait for more apprentices to be approved. Then Illl set up a vote for people to chose who does the new blanks. Anyone who wants to be on the list message me on my tp. My only requirement is to have at least one charart approved so you understand the project and what the blanks need and it just seems like a general good idea. But for now lets just leave this topic alone until i set up the vote, mkay? 00:50, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Can we have each person who wants to be put on the vote, make a sample loner blanks, then we can just vote for which blank we think is best? It'll make it a lot easier to choose who to vote for, especially for the people who some of us haven't seen make blanks. Just a suggestion. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:27, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should have the voters do the blanks because that would eliminate a lot of people for voting because a lot of people can't do lineart very well. You could maybe have an option that allows people to do try it, if they please. 13:15, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, it's a good idea. Just vote for the blank you like best. If you can't make a blank, there's no reason to enter honestly. 14:47, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I like that idea ^ but I don't think they need a major tweaking just a small one, fix their tails and ears but they honestly aren't that bad. 15:24, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, I think they really do need to be redone. They're anatomy is way off. They don't look like cats so much as strange quadripeds. 15:29, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

They look like dogs with cat heads and tails. And I think that's a good idea with the posting the blanks first. That way, you won't have to worry about them being incapable of making lineart. Breeze whisker  17:20, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so this will be done after all apprentices are done? And what, we do the election like I did the contest perhaps? Someone hosts a subpage where all of the blanks are posted and the project picks their favorite after all are posted. Said favorite goes to the approval page. Sound good? 19:04, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Loners have bad anatomy, so I agree. 19:29, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ill set up a forum, probably in the new year. 21:01, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

And to the four people who wanted to be on the vote: Gotcha, but to lazy to message you all individually. Same goes for any future people to sign up. 02:12, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I have always disliked the loners image. They look like cat-dogs, so I vote for new ones. =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 16:54, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I like that idea Shellheart, when would we start them? And are we going to keep the same pose? 17:04, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Rogue Blanks
I think the rogue blanks need tweaked. The blanks' tails look sort of like leaves. And the male blank has its whiskers on its neck, instead of its face. 17:07, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I've brought this up before. I thought we were gonna do something about the whisker-necks >.> 17:08, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well maybe if nothing has been done then, maybe we can do it soon. I mean, maybe after the apprentices and loners.(if they get redone) The whisker necks have probably bothered everyone. Though, honestly the entire rogue blank has been bothering me but I doubt they will get redone... 17:15, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, the tails look fine to me. And theres nothing wrong with the blanks for a redone. At this pace we're probably gonna consider tweaking all the blanks, which is not needed. But that's just my opinion. Anyone else? ._. - 18:34, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm with Bloo. Honestly, the rogues are not my favorite blanks but the anatomy is correct. 18:37, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the rogue blanks are one of my favorites xD And the softpaws' tails looks just like the rogue's, and they got approved like that too.. .-. - 18:41, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Rouges are fine, but I think the loner blanks could be tweaked. The face anatomy of them doesn't seem correct. 19:10, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

There's already a conversation about that in the space above this. 19:14, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I personally love the rogue blanks, and were going insane with blanks right now, i can see maybe tweaking them in the future, but not until like the summer. 21:00, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

The rogue blanks are fine for now. I agree with Iceheart. <span style="">23:11, Fri, Dec, 23, 2011

Hailpaw?
In Crookedstar's Promise, Hailstar mentions himself as an apprentice. Does anyone think that this would constitute him getting an apprentice charart? 19:11, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Since he was shown as an apprentice he shouldn't get one. 19:24, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

He was mentioned, and I think that's enough to get him a charart. And he was mentioned enough times as an apprentice. 19:27, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think he should get an apprentice charart. Would it be an alt though as a mistake? <span style="">23:13, Fri, Dec, 23, 2011

Well, Breezepelt got a kit charart for being mentioned as a kit, so I think he also deserves one. 15:48, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

DJ, it wasn't a mistake. He was talking about when he was an apprentice when they were talking about getting hay from a twoleg barn. Anyone that wants can go ahead and do it, as far as I'm concerned. 21:28, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I haven't read Crookedstar's Promise since August I think. <span style="">23:40, Sun, Dec, 25, 2011

Yeah he should get one. 21:54, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Join request- Bluesunkatsuri
I'd like to join this project. I use photoshop, and trying to learn how to use gimp

Bluesunkatsuri 19:25, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to PCA! I can't add you in because I am not a lead, a lead will soon add you in. 19:26, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Join request
Can I join this project? 20:55, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice?
Can I be Cloudskye's apprentice? Also can I join? 21:38, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to ask to join twice. The apply for a mentor, go here once you have joined. <span style="">23:19, Fri, Dec, 23, 2011

I'll add you in now. Please look at the guidelines before doing anything. Feel free to scroll through the tutorials for some extra help. Welcome to PCA. 23:48, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wait.. you're already added in. You've already joined. 23:49, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Good choice in mentors, Cloudskye is a great mentor, welcome to PCA 21:56, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Pinestar and Oakheart
Okay. I was trolling throygh Pinestar and Oakheart's pages. Pinestar has been described as fox red, and Oakheart fox coloured. Or the other way around. Aren't they basically the same colour? I know Oakheart had a declined charart for the fox colour, but Pinestar got one. Shouldn't Oakheart get one too? ^^ <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 23:41, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well I think it was mainly cause the color was the same as Oakheart's actual charart, whereas Pinestar was more brown than red in his image. Realistically though, they were described exactly the same, and Pinestar's should be gotten rid of (as much as I absolutely adore that image) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  07:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Then I suppose Pinestar should be put for tweaking. And yes, sych a lovvely image going to waste. Sorry, dear wifband. :( <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 13:06, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've felt for the longest time that Oakheart's fox-colored trivia should be gotten rid of. Pinestar doesn't look very fox colored in his normal image, I know he's supposed to be red-brown but that's probably why he got an alt 16:35, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I guess I get what you guys are saying, but if that's the case, can't we just make my fox-colored alt his main image? 16:45, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

We'd need to give it a brown tint, but I don't see why we should let your hard work go to waste. 16:59, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to give it a brown tint. If this is official, can I now reserve his image to tweak? 17:24, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait to see what the other leads say but I'd say go ahead and reserve it just in case 22:03, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll post Pinestar in a day or two, because we haven't really had any other lead opinions. 03:43, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well sounds good to me. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  03:49, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Leads
Please remember to put the approved character category on all images approved, a lot of apprentice images dont have them. I havent seen a single lead add the category, but everyones always in a big rush to get it on the page. Just remember for in the future. 18:53, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I put them on their page :S 19:03, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Same here S:  Scarlet   wind    ✧ L i   s a   n n a ✧  21:16, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't think it was needed, since they should already have that category from when they were approved in the past. 21:23, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've been adding it too... What images are you looking at? And Shelly, it's not needed for tweaks since they have it anyway, but new apprentice images usually don't have it because the category was created after all the apprentices were deleted from pages. You need to add te category on apprentice images, and I usually check the tweaks to see if they have it just in case. 22:02, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

And I check them category by category, such as Category: Rogue images, to see if any are missing the category. 22:05, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join? Moonstorm88 19:40, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I use Photoshop.Moonstorm88 19:41, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely! I'll add you in now. Please look at the guidelines before posting a charart. Also check out the tutorials for some extra help. Welcome to PCA! 22:09, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. I would like Atelda because she uses the preograms i use which are Gimp and pixlr 13:42, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

The mentor program is here, and Atelda already has two apprentices. 23:54, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

New Proposition
When user a is asked if their still working on their charart that say, hasn't been uploaded for over five days, they are expected to upload within the next 48 hours. This happens too often without a good reason. Chararts are left up for approval, not worked on, artist is asked if their still working on it, they reply yes, and they don't upload for another week. Honestly, you shouldn't have to be asked if you're still working on your charart unless you were away and unable to bring your computer with you/you don't have internet connection. So, the time limit for chararts without work should be judged from when the artist last uploaded the charart, not the last time they commented that they're still working on the charart. Thoughts? 16:05, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, this gives others a chance to work on the image if they wish, sounds fair, you want to be here, you have to work. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 16:07, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Mhmm, I agree also. If you don't work on your image, why bother bein' here? <span style="">16:58 Mon Dec 26

I already do this unless someone supplies a decent reason for taking a while. And even then I advise them to hand it off. 23:09, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I thought this was already the rule, so I agree. Breeze whisker  23:12, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. It's fair. If they can't be bothered to help us, we shouldn't be bothered to help them. <span style="">23:40, Mon, Dec, 26, 2011

Can we also make it where if a user has to be asked more than twice if they're working on an image (Like, they don't work on it for 6 days, come back and reupload, then don't work on it for another 6 days, and so on) they have their image declined? People shouldn't be able to just upload everytime they get asked that and have no problem. It takes up space, and is just plain annoying honestly. So yeah, just a thought. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:32, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. A truly devoted user shouldn't have to be asked even once if they're still working on a charart unless they've given an honest reason to be away. 02:34, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Pale and Scarlet above. <span style="">05:00, Wed, Dec, 28, 2011

Leaving ~ Fallowpounce
I have put a lot of thought into this, and sadly I am leaving PCA for a while. I realized that i can't be much of a help during the week, and I won't be able to do any chararts because of my internet problems. <font face="Segeo Script"> ~Pouncey!  <font face="Segeo Script"><font color="#ee1289">"Aloha!" "You're  Hawaiian?" <font color="#ee1289">"No..." <font color="#ee1289"> x3 19:20, December 26, 2011 (UTC)'

Fallow...D= You'll be missed. *wugz* 19:22, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

You will be missed by all of us Fallow. :'( Goodbye *salutes* and goodluck! 19:26, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Awww. Bye Fallow D: <span style="">22:20 Mon Dec 26

D= Bai. <span style="">23:47, Mon, Dec, 26, 2011

Bye, Fallow. D: Hopefully you will come back soon!! 23:50, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice?
I joined PCA as an apprentice. Paleclaw is my mentor. I am wondering why my name is not in the apprentice list at the top of the page (in blue). This is because my name is in the table underneath and in the mentor/apprentice table as the second apprentice of Paleclaw Help appreciated. 22:49, December 27, 2011 (UTC)Moonshine78999

Chances are you were removed from inactivity (they don't monitor your lessons from me as activity). I'll add you back in though. Don't forget to comment on images. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:49, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Taking a leave of absence.
Like the title says; I don't really have time for PCA right now (life's getting a bit hectic). I might comment a bit on images, but that'll be rarely. :).  Elorisa   16:44, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Noooooo! Elo! Why?! *has dramatice breaakdown* Don't go! *clings to Elo* Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 17:37, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I hope everything turns out ok Elorisa. We'll see you when you come back! 18:48, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Goodbye, Elo. =( Visit us as many times as you can! 23:33, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reservation
May I please reserve the Blossomfall alt. apprentice version to work on?

Thanks! Tigerheart273 18:51, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to reserve something, go to the Main Page and edit your name under Charart Reservations. Here! 18:54, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks you so much!!! Tigerheart273 18:55, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hm.. wait... how do I put myself into that chart? Sorry if I'm bothering anyone D:

18:56, December 28, 2011 (UTC)Tigerheart273

Blossomfall never had an alternate description as an apprentice, so no, you can't reserve it unless you can cite an instance in which she was described incorrectly as an apprentice. 19:23, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Also, as for your name on the list. 'll add you in now. 19:27, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

A proposition concerning project vernacular
This is a rather simple proposition concerning one name used in PCA.

I'd like it if Senior Warriors could no longer be called leads.

You see, it may seem like a silly thing to want to change, but here's the reasoning: words are powerful. When a senior warrior is called a lead, it sends the message to new or prospective users that we are in charge, which we are not. We merely have been recognized by the project to have a decent amount of experience, which is reflected in the title of Senior Warrior, and are given the responsibility of approving or declining images. To call us leads is to put us too far above the rest of the project, and as a senior warrior I'm uncomfortable with that.

Comments? 19:30, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

So, do you want there to be no senior warriors at all? I think we just help out the leader and deputy. They can't approve every image or add in every new user all on their own. No, we aren't in charge, but we could shake off the status of being a lead. We'll still be senior warriors and uphold all the responsibilites of being one, but we don't lead the project. I see your point, and I'm open to see what other users have to say. 19:50, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

What gave you the idea that that is what I wanted? No, I just want us to cease being called leads, that's all. 20:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I don't care either way. But the keystrokes to type "lead" are a whole lot easier than typing "Senior Warrior," which is probably how the term came about. I think it's up to the individual person as to what they prefer to type, but if you mean official guidelines and things like that, I agree that the official term should probably be used to make it sound more...official. Breeze whisker  20:05, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Why? Senior warriors ARE in charge., Not as much as leader or deputy, but they still are high ranks. At first I had a lot more to say but now I'm dead. XP 20:07, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

You hate me, don't you Shell? Jk. I honestly don't care what SW's are called. Just as long as we have them. 20:10, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, don't hate anyone. XD But yeah. Senior warrior's aren't in charge, it's arrogant of us to think we are. We're just here to help guide people along and keep the project moving while contributing to it, and that's the extent of it. 20:13, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda agree with Icy, and at the same time, I don't really care all that much. XD I think we do kinda have a right to be called leads, but I really don't care all that much if that changes. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:19, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, since it's a whole lot easier just to type leads. Keeping in mind that "lead" technically means "senior warriors, deputy, and leader", it's a whole lot easier to type. You're right Shelly, we're not in charge, but we do possess a higher rank (for lack of a better word) than warriors and apprentices. We have the power to approve or decline images, to decide on CBA, and accept new users into the project. Disclaimer: Remember that in no way are senior warriors better than other users just because we have privileges. 00:35, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't care either way I never call you guys leads anyway I usually just say SW, so really I don't care. But they are 'leader's' of the project so it makes sense to call them leads. 02:16, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I be an apprentice? Autunmleaf 19:47, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Warrior Blanks
Hey guys. This is a really minor purposal, but I feel it's nessecary.

It's just been bothering me for some time and I think we should re-write the Warrior blanks with PNG. file ones instead of GIF. files ones. It would simple it out and make everythign easier, since for a lot of apprentices, warrior blanks are main charart practice dummies, and I just have a worry that they don't know how to change from indexted to RBG mode, and if we change it it'll just be easier for everyone

Yeah, I suppose I just made a huge deal out of something that needed to be super minor. xD Okay, thanks. . 07:38, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
I've decided to leave the wiki....if you want to know why, look at my userpage. 10:17, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

No, Rainey! D; *clings* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:39, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry.....too many things to deal with in real life. :( 10:47, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

No! :-( I hope you will be back soon !!!!!! ,11:11,December 29,2011 (UTC)

Redstar
So I was reading through BotC, and noticed a picture of Redtsar. He has white paws and a white muzzle in the picture. Should that be added to his description, or would it require an alt? Just wondering. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:37, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as BotC wasn't his only book, he should maybe get an alt. You'll have to see what another S.W says. 13:34, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Gone?
I put myself on the vacation list about two weeks ago, and have not been able to put up a more accurate statement of how long I'll be gone... but now my username is not on the project apprentice list. I'm not trying to be annoying, I just don't understand. Can someone please explain what happened? 13:38, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you are inactive for two weeks or more, you are automatically removed. If you're more active again I'm sure a lead will add you. 13:40, December 29, 2011 (UTC)