Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Probably Worth Noting
Erm, hi. (afraid of treading in Cloudy's territory) Erm, I think that this may have something of note for you guys to deal with. It's the first three books in a single novel, but it also includes a shiny new short story apparently. So yeah... do with it what you will. 17:43, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, that'll probably go in the cover gallery if we can find both a front shot and a back shot. As for the short story, if it's a new one, it'll probably get a whole new page. Good fine, Shelly. I'd forgotten about that.. xD 17:46, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Woah, good find Shelly. 02:02, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

I don't see why it wouldn't get a page. All the others short stories and plays have them.

Only problem is, it only exists in e-book form. Someone with an e-reader or at least iTunes needs to buy it and read it. 19:34, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I could probably steal my brother's kindle and get him to buy it on there. 08:34, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

That would be great Leopard. 01:02, 04, 03, 2012

I have a Nook and money. Give me the title and I will most likely buy it. 17:43, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's Warriors 3-Book Collection with Bonus Material, I think... if not, try something similar to that. Not sure what the short story is called. 05:37, 05, 03, 2012

Senior Warriors?
I come to you with an idea. I was talking with CinderxLion, and she said something that perked my interest. The project doesn't have senior warriors. No, not senior members, because that exists only in PCA. Here, they will be called senior warriors. Anyways, I was thinking...since Rainlegs and I can't do everything, and both of us are very scatterbrained when it comes to remembering things... I thought it would be nice to nominate one or two users to help us out. Plus, in case we ever have to take a temporary leave from the wiki, like I did back in December, it would cause a lot less chaos and confusion as to who's in charge.

I know the project's small, and a leader and deputy should be able to manage it...but there are times where we cannot do everything. They'd have the same roles as the senior warrior/s in PC. They can archive, CBV, and set up votes, among other small technical stuff. Now, I know that not everyone in the project knows how to do that...and if you want to know, don't be afraid to ask me or Rainlegs ( although you'd be better off asking me, since Leggo is worse then I am scatterbrain-wise XD  ).

Anyways, this is it in a nutshell. I'd like one or two warriors to help out. They'd be allowed to do the same basic thing that Rainlegs and I can do. I already have her support, and the conditions and all will be sorted out when I can sit down with her and discuss this fully. If you have any suggestions on qualifications, please, say something. =) 02:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I'd love to volunteer, but I am new to the project. As you said on chat, I would recommend Sweetflower or Stoneclaw.

I'd love to volunteer too. There are a few active users up for the job, and Cheshire, it's fine if you're new, you know. =P Cinder and Chez are other choices. There are only like, 4 active warriors in the project, you know. I know how to put up forums from PR, and it's not hard to learn. 06:10, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea, and I shan't volunteer yet, I'm not quite worthy as such. I think guidelines would be something along the lines of 'Must have been a member for X months, Must be organised, Must be active', and all that rubbish XD 17:10, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I actually do have to agree with Stoneclaw. Not a whole lot of users are active warriors to the project (not that they're not inactive) besides Leader, Deputy, and a couple of warriors.

I'd like to volenteer if no one minds. tehehe  I already have experience with the duties SW's have from PW. I think Cinder and Ches and Stoney would make great senior warriors. 8D 07:40, 22, 02, 2012

I'd also suggest 'Teldy if she volenteers. 07:57, 22, 02, 2012

I would suggest Stoneclaw and Cinder and DJ to be SW's, and if Atelda wanted to I would volunteer her since she is already a lead of a project.

I'd love to be a senior warrior, I think Atelda and Snoteclaw deserve it the most though. :D (NO offense to anyone else.) 17:32 Wed Feb 22

I think they should also have at least 3 nominations, quotes or for silver. 17:34 Wed Feb 22

(sorry for removing messages..I don't know what happened..never showed up..I am so sorry..) And Sweet it shouldn't matter the votes, but that they're active and devoted to the project. Also as long as they're active, they don't need to know how to put up votes or that stuff because they can learn. 01:23, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Sweet, the number of nominations you suggested is a good idea. However, they can't all be quote nominations. I'd like at least one (two if you're lucky) to be for a silver/gold nomination, instead of just quotes. Getting an article to a higher grade is a lot more important then adding a quote. As long as they have at least one book nomination (which includes suggesting for the FAs), then they're qualified enough. They should also have been active in the project for a good amount of time too. I'll be talking to Rainy about this when she gets on chat later.

I'm glad to see that you guys are so interested in this. This is the most activity I've seen from PB in quite a few months, and I'm proud to be this project's leader. I hope we can get the technical specifications dealt with, because this looks promising. 21:27, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Skye. Quote nominations are easy. An actual article grade (silver or gold) is a lot more important then finding a quote for a book's article.

Anyway, Skye and I were discussing a few requirements in the chat. We decided that the new SW should be a member for at least two months, have at least one article nomination, and a thorough understanding of our guidelines and other rules. Does this sound okay to you guys? 01:18, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. One article nomination sounds great. 01:21, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Of course, as article nominations are hard to come by in this current time... I'd also be willing to go with two or more quote nominations. It's a lot harder to nominate a book for a status then it is to suggest a quote. It all depends. Of course, those who happen to have both would just be better off in the long run. 01:23, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

It is much harder to find an actual book to nominate since a lot of people don't have some of the books, but a quote is an easier nomination. It also takes a lot of time to actually be able to expand a book article and the cliffnotes and a publication list if necessary. Though someone who has done both is better off.

I know...But, I don't think one should become SW without knowing how to do book articles. I have a few books, but it doesn't really matter. Quote nominations are much to easy, so, yeah. 02:30, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps we could have one article nomintaion and at least one quote nomination, or at least three or five maybe quote nominations. I say this beacuse there are only so many book articles, and most of them are already at silver, but the quotes are kinda new. So yeah. 09:43, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

What Leopard says is true. There are only so many book articles that can be promoted to silver, but I think someone who is active in the project, can or could learn to put a vote up, participates in discussion, gives constructive criticism, and has made a couple of nominations book article quote or article deserves SW rights.

The only thing is it's hard to do book nominations because it takes like 5-7 months before a new book to be released, so it's harder to get a boko nomination because of how rare they are to snag. All I managed to do for an article is do most of the cliffnotes. 19:45 Fri Feb 24

Like, I'd like to be an SW and everything but I haven't managed to get a book nomination, so if we suggested one for gold and it became the FA would that count? 19:47 Fri Feb 24

That's my point, as most articles are now silver, maybe we could compensate on usefulness to the project, as such, and/or quote noms instead. Then I have no idea what we'll do when we run out of quotes too XD 19:51, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Sweet, it would. A nomination is a nomination, however which way you look at it. Rainy and I just want someone who knows their way around the project, as well as having experience in the voting process/what it takes to get an article nominated.

Leopard, usefulness to the project would count as well. Rainy and I know about the lack of nominations within the project. PB's near it's end, so, of course there would be a lot less to work on. 19:53, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think the requirements should be:
 * 2 months in the project
 * Be active
 * Known the rules, guidelines and be able to work their way around PB
 * Have done at least 2-3 quote nominations
 * Nominated at least 1 book nomination, including suggesting FA's and them succeeding

As for the quote nominations though, their only minor. It's like saying to be a SW in PC, you must have put up a main quote for an article, so I don't think it should really matter. 00:19, 25, 02, 2012

Skye and I talked again, and decided on a few things... feedback would be helpful:
 * 2 semi-active or active months in the project (commenting on FAs, book/quote nominations, and voting). Active is preferred, but since PB is such a small project, it's not mandatory.
 * Either 1+ book nominations, or 2+ quote nominations. You won't need one of each.
 * A clear understanding of our rules and guidelines.
 * Know their way around PB.

So... as I said earlier, feedback is welcome. :3 01:16, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

DJ, I need to comment on something you said. The main quotes for a book article are vastly different then the ones for character articles. A character article's main quote can just be added in and changed at will. As for the book ones, we're voting those in, since a book article is less common then a character article. It does matter how many nominations a user has, because Rainlegs and I don't want some n00b who has no idea what this project is about as a senior warrior. 03:11, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudy. Having a n00b for a SW is like a newbie that became a sysop on the first day. 17:43, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think that those are reasonable guidelines. If it is agreed upon to have SW's, how long would nominations last? As in would it only be for a week or would it be anytime?

Well, I've let to confirm this with Rainlegs, but I was thinking along the lines of 2 weeks. Now, mind you, this also needs to go through a formal voting system, and until this gets settled and everything into place, we probably won't have anyone even think about being nominated until mid-late March. Since this is such a major thing, formal voting NEEDS to happen. 18:51, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the voting, seeing it is such a major thing. With the limit on nominations, I think 2 weeks is good too, and 1 week until someone can take over maybe? Also with my comment above ^^ I didn't mean the book nominations, just the quote nominations... But yeah, we don't want a n00b as a SW. 23:37, 25, 02, 2012

When you asked about a nomination... I thought you were talking about SWs, not quote nominations. The quote nominations are never up for (usually) more then two weeks, so I see no need to actually have a time set on that. A quote nomination is almost as important as a book nomination, since we don't want just any random quote on a book's page. It's like that for characters because they often say tons of important things, and they're spread out throughout multiple books. 23:41, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Skye. And I do think there should be formal voting.

Chez, there has to be formal voting. Since this changes the way a project is run, we don't have a choice. 23:45, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Very true Cloudy, very true. 06:01, 26, 02, 2012

Sorry about that. I can be kind of slow at times. •Cheshire• ♣Happy St. Patrick's Day!♣ 14:41, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudy to start the nominations in mid-March. 06:17, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, there are two sets of voting that need to go through. We need the formal voting to add it to the guidelines, and then the "nomination" voting. Now, I'm still unsure how the voting process for the users will be set up, but, I was thinking we could go along the lines of what PC and PCA have, since that usually seems to work. Since the qualifications for senior warrior are pretty much laid out, what we need to do now is solidify them, by having the entire project agree, then we need to take it to a formal vote. Then the real fun will begin.

Some of the suggestions were:
 * 2 months in the project (semi-active or active [project's somewhat dead], active's preferred)
 * Known the rules, guidelines and be able to work their way around PB
 * Have done at least 2 + quote nominations or at least 1 book nomination, including suggesting FA's and them succeeding

Now, we could probably go into greater detail about it, and that's what this discussion is about. Personally, I'm fine with ^^those^^ up there. But, I can't decide everything on my own. Comments and suggestions, everyone? 19:18, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that's about right. 23:10, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, sounds good. I don't know why we have to get into detail with the requirements, I mean, SW Nominations are pretty obvious. 01:06, 03, 03, 2012

That sounds good to me. 01:14, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, are there any final comments or suggestions before the voting process beings? Remember, this is for the voting to add them into the guidelines, not for the actual nomination of SWs. Let me say, we'll go with one SW for now, and then we'll see how it goes after that. 23:49, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. ^_^ this will be fun. 05:41, 05, 03, 2012

Question?
So I was wondering if we could make a list somewhere of the books that already have a quality quote or something so when users want to do a quote nomination they know which books already have one? I don't know if you want to even consider this idea or not but just thought I'd ask. 18:54, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Excellent idea, Cinder! I didn't even think of that. It would prove quite useful, wouldn't it? I've got no problems with it. What about the rest of you? 18:57, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Great idea! I'd have no objection to this. 19:00, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! 19:28 Sat Feb 25

That would be great.

This is a great idea! Something like this? I also suggest there could be a section to the list with quote nominations being commented on, and being voted on, so you know when someone's reserved/doing it, or such. 23:56, 25, 02, 2012

That makes sense to me. I think that looks fine DJ.

That would work, DJ. Thanks for allowing it as a subpage of your user page. I'd prefer that it were a PB subpage, but, that will work for now, I guess. Everything you've said goes well with me. What do the rest of you think? 00:00, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Or couldn't we just put it on the front page? 01:44, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

We could, but I keep forgetting to update that section, so it would probably be so outdated....it's better having a subpage. xD 01:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for formatting the page Cloudy! And yes, I think it should be a subpage of PB. <span style="">06:05, 26, 02, 2012

Should the category page be linked to on the project page then? Or is it already? •Cheshire• ♣Happy St. Patrick's Day!♣ 19:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think it'd be good for the page to go on the main page. I still think it should be a page like this: Warriors Wiki:Books/Book Articles With Quotes <span style="">01:14, 03, 03, 2012

That's good enough for me. DJ, I'm going to steal the coding from your page and make it. =P 05:44, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I forgot to say, you can now find the page with the quotes here. 8D 07:34, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Great job Cloudy! No need to steal, you did it all, credit to you! <span style="">23:37, 09, 03, 2012

Moonrise - Quote Nomination
I personally like 1. Comments? (I can add more quotes if necassary) 23:43, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "You'll have to go without me, brother. Save the Clan!" - Feathertail to Stormfur, Page 271
 * 2) "I do not know when the silver cat will come, or from where, but we will know it when he arrives." - Stoneteller to Crag - Page 3
 * 3) "The predator had gone, carrying his prey with him and leaving many more cats dead or wounded. " - Narrator about Sharptooth, Page 195
 * 4) "Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" - Midnight interrupting Purdy
 * 5) ''"We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag intoducing the tribe.

Two. If you can find others though, go right ahead. 8D 05:40, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I like 2 as well. <span style="">06:00, 28, 02, 2012

2 is good. 17:08, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

2, but could you find more? 21:24, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I added two more, I personally like 4 now. 21:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to poke my nose in and say that I also like quote 4. Just saying. Good foreshadowing. 21:58, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I like 2 and 4. 21:36 February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. 4 is epic. xD 07:30, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

If I had to choose one it would be 4. 20:31, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

I love 4, like Shelly said, it was good foreshadowing XD A star, a star, <sup style="font-family:Arial Bold;color:#8B0A50"> dancing in the sky...   22:05, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'm torn between 2 and 4, but I think I like 4 just a little bit more. 08:12, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

4 is my favorite. Thanks, Shelly, for helping me find it. 21:24, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Long Shadows ~ Quote Nomination
"We have come back. The three have come home" ~ Jaypaw about the three, pg 231

"They have to go to the mountains. They will become the Tribe of Rushing Water" ~ Jaypaw voting to leave, pg 221

"Are you scared little warrior? Where's this power of yours now?" ~ Tigerstar to Lionblaze, pg 181

"They can't turn their backs on StarClan and the warrior code! There have to be four Clans!" ~ Hollyleaf's thoughts about ShadowClan, pg 16

"Jayfeather, now you are a true medicine cat" ~ Brightspirit to Jayfeather when he gets his name, pg 255

"Midnight said knowledge isn't always power. But sometimes it is. And Ashfur has the power to destroy us all" ~ Jafeather's thoughts, pg 282

I like the last one best. 12:56, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I like the first one but I really like the third one. 15:24, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm loving that last one. Great selection, Leopard. :3 23:58, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Last one. 8D 00:01, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hard to choose, but I have to say the last one. <span style="">05:50, 05, 03, 2012

Yup, I like the last one. 22:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm lovin' he last one. 22:32, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

April FA
'kay guys. It's March, so you know what comes up next. Discussion time for April's FA. I really want to do The Darkest Hour, because it's the last book in the first arc, and April marks the release of The Last Hope, the final book in Firestar's storyline.. Of course, if you want to do something else, I advise suggesting it. ;D 03:09, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Needs work on the references. Yes, I just died. Again. References need to be added for most translators and corrected for a few editions. Probably more, but I don't have the stamina to go on. :3 Also is [cn.wikipedia.org] or [ru.wikipedia.org] considered as an acceptable reference? They don't have the citations needed. 11:05, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * They sometimes do have references themselves. If am to add sourced information from wikipedia, then I'll go see if there's a reference, click on it, and check out the website myself, though you have a good point, Lightning. I think The Darkest Hour would be a wonderful choice for April's FA, but I don't think it qualifies for gold yet. 15:48, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing with Stoney on this one, The Darkest Hour would be a good choice, but I don't think it qualifies for gold yet. 22:48, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like the Darkest Hour to be a FA, but then again, not sure it qualifies. I'll try working on it. I'd also suggest Fading Echoes, as it was suggested last month. <span style="">05:58, 07, 03, 2012

Added/Removed/Changed the references as much as I could. Also added cite to translators' names which weren't there in the links provided. 09:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Fading Echoes would be a good choice, but I would really like Darkest Hour. Hopefully someone can work on it. I think that is the only book in the original arc I have. If I have it, I'll try to work on it unless someone else wants to. I also suggest maybe Sunrise (since Hollyleaf is featured on the cover and Hollyleaf's Story is also being realized in April). Just a suggestion. 23:59, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I sorta like that idea, Ches. I'm not sure if it would qualify for the gold status.... I'm gonna go check it out. The Darkest Hour would also be a good choice, and I hope someone will work on it. Fading Echoes sounds fine as well, but I'm not as enthusiastic to have it be our FA. 00:02, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think we would run into the same problem since Sunrise is only silver status, that is unless someone works on it. Fading Echoes could work but I'm not as enthusiastic about it. 16:16, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

A Clan in Need ~ Quote Nomination
"How far will you run? We were chased out of our homes before -- I left ThunderClan and you fled BloodClan. We can't let it happen again. ThunderClan will help us."
 * Ravenpaw assuring Barley, page 12

"I can see you're in trouble. There is nothing you can't ask. ThunderClan remembers that you and Barley came to our aid to defeat BloodClan"
 * Firestar, page 28

"I know what BloodClan did to you. But these are my friends. Can we really let them suffer?"
 * Ravenpaw, page 46

"ThunderClan, I rarely say these words, but -- show no mercy."
 * Firestar rallying ThunderClan, page 65

"These rogues are vicious...but they're no warriors. And tonight -- for one night -- Barley and Violet and I are. Tonight, ThunderClan shows them what real warriors are made of!"
 * Ravenpaw's thoughts, page 76

There are a lot of good quotes within that book. XD 03:13, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Bah, I wanted to do this one. >.> I like #4 and #5. 03:33, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

The last one. <3 these quotes. <span style="">03:04, 09, 03, 2012

I like 4 and 5. 03:05, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I like the last one. 17:36, March 9, 2012 (UTC)