Forum:PCA is Closing

You don't know how much I regret this, but this is what it's come to. I'm sorry, but I've decided to close Project Character Art. It's not fun anymore; just a bunch of petty squabbles and fights. I'm so tired of all these arguments. And the excess images! People think it's 'the thing' to upload images when they're bored, when they want, and when a new user pops up. I see images on every talk page, some that don’t even belong there. The Project contributed to this mess; people see the pictures and think, "Oh, I'm supposed to upload a ton!"

And look at the other Projects; no one pays attention to them. It's always ‘PCA this!’ and ‘PCA that!’ We have an excess amount of users that only do art, and think that’s the only thing they can be doing. I’ve known users who joined just to become part of this Project; the articles fell onto the waiting list, and cat pictures took over. Even now, with the Projects stepping back up, there is still little attention paid to them while there are 40 or so edits to the Project Art talk page within an hour. We need to start acting as an encyclopedia, not a humongous gallery. PCA, PCA, PCA, and oh, PCA, is going to have to stop.

I was hoping I would not have to do this; I really was. I loved this Project and working with it, eventually growing to the Project leader. However, I see that this is the only solution to this mess. There is a small possibility that the Project will reopen some time in the future, but do not expect it to be soon. Not unless we start discussing what we can do to improve the sections of World, Books, and Characters, and leave the “Didn’t I reserve this?” and “Can you make me…” behind. Feel free to be disappointed; you have no idea how deeply I am. I’ve been discussing this with Insane and Sandy, and though they were reluctant to accept this point of thinking, I’ve convinced them. Show us that the users here can focus on the content of our articles, instead of thinking of which character to show next, and we’ll consider opening it again. Thank you; and again, I’m sorry. -- Bramble 00:08, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA DOWN! PLEASE! -SOBS SO HARD- IT'S MY FAVORITE PROJECT IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD! PLEASEEEE!!!! MAYBE WE COULD FORCE THE PEOPLE TO STOP MAKING DUPLICATE IMAGES! PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA! I WILL LEAVE THE WIKI!!!! Ice Spring is here! 00:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NO NO NO!!!!!!! PCA is sooooo much fun! And I do my best to contribute to the other projects.... OH PLEASE BRAMBlE, DON"T CLOSE IT!!!!! Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 00:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I just joined!! It was so much fun.... Willow -pool  00:44, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Bramble, I assure you this is not a good idea. Many users will be extremely unhappy and will hunt you down. Many users put a lot of work into being a good warrior on PCA. --  N i g h t s h i n e     Ü     00:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

-evil grin- This is an April Fool's Joke, isn't it? What kind of coincidence is that? →  Batteh   ←  00:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

I believe that, Bramble. And actually, despite how much I love the project, I hate the competition over how many images approved, and the senior warriors. And I admit, I do believe that we could act more as an encyclopidia. Isn't that the point of a wiki? Not to make art, but to have information in all of our articles? A wiki is like a mini wikipedia, devoted to one topic, isn't it? If that's they case, we really could use some help, paticularily we have 1000+ articles, and less than 100 are up to standard (If I'm being to fussy, the less than 75). That is less than 10%.

I appreciate that you explained your reasoning. And however much I may miss the project, the point of wikis are to inform, not to draw.

And Blue, Bramble is serious. Maplefern Carrying the torch... 00:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I thought my Crookedstar was pretty good. =/ Now it will never get approved! Ice Spring is here! 00:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE NOO KEEP IT UP PLEASE! People take a lot of time and patience to make those for others to get an image about what the characters look like! Dawnleaf 00:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Dawnleaf

I know you all are upset. But I'm sure Bramble thought long and hard about this. WW isn't made for art. It's about giving people accuret information. How can we do that when most of are articles need improvents NOT related to Charart. -- Moonflight Come The Dark Side. We Have Catnip... 00:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'd just like to give people my standpoint on this change as well, so you can see it from another perspective. Even before I was an admin I could see the problems Bramble has outlined - constant uploading of unnecessary images, squabbling over which chararts to do, and neglect of the other projects. These issues all weaken the wiki, and the only way to really solve them was to remove the catalyst for all this, Project Charart. Originally I had been against this decision, thinking it was just Bramble getting fed up, but Bramble, Sandy, and I, have discussed this at great length, and both Sandy and I have come to realize that Bramble is right. It's a shame that we had to close something that was the reason many users love this wiki, but the project was close to being completed anyways, with only a few images that aren't already done. I hope people who devoted a lot of time to this project can find pleasure in editing the articles instead, and it's worth saying that they are the reason the wiki was made, with PCA being the icing on the cake. Now that the other projects are revived, they need new members to progress. I suppose I can't speak for Project World, but I know both Books and Characters would welcome any new members who wanted to lend a hand. Once again, I am sorry to those who liked this project, but it was a necessary decision to make, however difficult. I hope you can understand why we had to do this, and that it isn't too much of an inconvenience. Thank you. insaneular   Talk  00:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Insane, could you please adress the April Fools theory? →  Batteh   ←  00:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!


 * I hadn't read the above yet when I wrote that. Well, what do you mean, "April fools theory"? We're not talking about a future warriors book. This isn't about 'theories'. What Bramble and I have said is all we can really say. I'd like to think we're not the type to joke about this kind of stuff.  insaneular    Talk  00:44, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

World could do with more members but PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA DOWN! Ice Spring is here! 00:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * April Fools Theory, meaning, users think that closing PCA down is a joke for April 1. →   Batteh   ←  00:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

Can you at least wait until all of the currently existing characters minus the ones without descriptions have art? Please? Raven Randomness!  00:49, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Just the date doesn't make it a joke. In fact, for Bramble and I, (And the rest of the US) it's still March 31st. So don't assume it is. And to Ravenflight, sorry, but the decision is made, and it can't really go back now. insaneular   Talk  00:51, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

According to the timestamp, it is April 1. Could it really be a coincidence? →  Batteh   ←  00:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

Aw, that's too bad. I know I've never been a huge fan of PCA, but I have to agree with the Sysop's reasoning. I do feel sorry for all you artists, though... I understand that this was probably very fun for you. D=  Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 00:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * The timestamp goes by GMT, which is 5 hours faster than where I live (and 6 hours faster than Bramble I believe). If we wanted to do an April fools joke, wouldn't we do it on April first for us?  insaneular    Talk  00:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Farewell, PCA. I was never a large part of it, but I'll miss looking at the images evolving on the PCA talk. And by the way, will you edit the Charcat so that there isn't a big space for the image at the top? Raven Randomness!  00:57, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need for that; we're keeping all the old images so we need the image space. We'll just leave the noimage for the rest  insaneular    Talk  00:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)