Warriors Wiki talk:Charart



Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. Hawkfire Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval  Sandy Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His eye looks like he's sinister; perhaps this could be changed?--Yai-Girl 16:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks like he popped right out of Pokemon. Give him less of an angry-japanese look. G B 57 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Okay. I redid him. Does he look any better? Hawkfire My Den 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are his feet black?--Yai-Girl 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He is better, but I would suggest a black patch on his foreleg coming up to his chest, and lighten the black even more. You also need to blur the transition between black and white on all the places. Some more shading is needed, too. Keep it up, and he'll be approved in no time. And Yai, I'm presuming his paws are black cause he's a black and white cat. -- Bramble My Realm 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I smudged him, added more shading, and added that patch Bramble wanted. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 18:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with all the tiny black dots? And try blurring instead if smudging. Sand wich  989  19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? :) And I have no idea how those black dots get there sandwich, I set it to png but they wont go away! Hawkfire My Den 19:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the black dots anymore. I think you just add shading and blend it in and it will look good. Sand wich  989  22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend, and I did add shading. I just brightened the shading to make it a silvery color. Anything else? Hawkfire My Den 13:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The black needs to be a lot lighter, and I think in places it goes outside the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 19:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anyn shading. But I would do is make the blur tool brush big enough so half of it can be on the black and half of it can be on the white and just run it until the black and white stops. Do that where there is all black and white next together. Sand wich  989  19:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the black slightly lighter than what you have now so you can see the lineart. And it still needs more shading and the patches need blending. Your doing great. =)--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the perfect shade of black! I added more shading, and I added more blending, is it better? Hawkfire My Den 14:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the best yet, and it is a great shade of black. The shading is too pronounced, though, it needs to be more blurred and less standoutish. -- Bramble My Realm 14:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I blurred the shading Hawkfire My Den 12:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Better, yes, but put a little bit of the normal black color between the shading and the white on that patch in the middle of his back. His ear pink also needs to be blended more into the pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 19:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Reuploaded. Hawkfire My Den 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches looks smudge inches into the pelt in some places and not blended at all. And I suggest making it a shade darker than pure white.--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? Hawkfire My Den 12:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Add some more shading on the chest and possible the muzzle and I think he'll be ready. Perhaps blend the ear pink a little too.  Sandy Talk! 13:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Will this work? Hawkfire My Den 02:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't think that you could possibly blend in the shading more? The line between non-shading and shading is still rather distinctive. -- Dawnfeather talk! 13:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There also looks like a smudge spot near the base of his tail, but on his back.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks great, Hawkfire. I'd suggest you lighten the shading, though. And the black is too dark. I would use the same black as Crowfeather or maybe Nightcloud. Sparrowsong 21:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Hawkfire My Den 21:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches need blended more. Look at Patchfoot, Smallkit, and other patched cats for reference. --Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 23:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 16:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments? Hawkfire My Den 21:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, the ear is the problem here. You need to sort it in the same way as you need to sort Jumpfoot's Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Hawkfire, this looks really good! But the ear pink needs to be lighter and more triangular. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:violet; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Sparrowsong ( talk! ) 17:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

darken shading. -- MU MB LE 785  23:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

This hasn't been worked on in a week. Please work on this or it will be declined. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry Sandy!! Um..Well to make a long story short, my laptop has the same virus GB's cpu does, and its very bad. So I havent been on my laptop in awhile, which it has all my charart on it. And also, all the computers I have tried, I can't get access to Pixlr, so now I am using my brother's laptop (the same kind of laptop) while mine is getting fixed. Anyway I fixed the ear, and darkened the shading. Hawkfire Go Aggies! 14:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

He seems a little too dark, I can barely se the outline. Also shouldn't both he and Tallstar have the same markings?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, lighten him a little and Shady, you're right. I'm going to ask you to edit this slightly Hawkfire as I think it will be easier than editig the leader. Can you add a white tail tip and remove the black from the paws. I think with the different angle that they will then look similar enough for the sakes of the project. Do that and it'll be ready! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Lightened, fixed the ear. I just redid the whole image to make it look more like Tallstar. Exact same color and I did my best on the markings. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much Hawkey (sorry you had to redo the image : Darken the shading and blend the ear and he looks good to go Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Done :) Anyway I am getting sick of redoing Talltail, this is about the 22nd time :) Now I am finally done with him!! Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 13:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Hawkey, I want so much to approve him, but his shading now needs blending again and there needs to be some added to the white parts of his body, on the haunch, belly, and foreleg particularly. Hang in there! I've been told 23's a lucky number. ;) -- Bramble My Realm 00:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks really nice. Only problem is the shading, like Bramble said.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 00:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Anyway, I have been on vacation lately. Heres my "lucky 23" Hope this works! Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 00:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

One of his paws are pure white.--Yai-Girl 09:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

His near hind paw is pure white; shade it. Also; blend blend blend! Blend the shading so you can see no transition line from shading to pelt, and darken the shading on the white areas. Blur the transition from black to white patch so you can see no transition line. -- Bramble My Realm 14:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed white paws and blended shading to the best I can. Added shading to the white parts. Lets get this approved! This takes up about half of the page. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Big page or not we can only approve when it's ready. Blend the ear pink in a little. (ps. stop uploading a new file every time lol Just upload over the top of teh old version as it takes up less space on the wiki) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks - For Approval


I was messing around in the warriors wiki when I found many declined images so I put the Kittypet blanks for approval. Comments?--Yai-Girl 17:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Yai, these are Darkhallows' images. You need her permission to edit them, and also, o, Sandiwolf was working on them; they were just taken down due to black of work. -- Bramble My Realm 21:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry.--Yai-Girl 15:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

These had best be declined then until Darkhallows gives her permission to use the old blanks and until you sort it out with Sandiwolf. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yai-girl can use them. I have attempted to revamp them to no avail. Maybe she can.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, back up for approval. Sandiwolf's were declined, and if she wants them back up, she and Yai can talk it out. There is a chances that one set can be used as rogues and the other as kittypets. (will add criticism when I have time) -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypets are well-groomed. The fur on the lond-hairs are sticking out everywhere. I thought you weren't supposed to put cats in drying machines? -- MU MB LE 785  23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Mumble, long-hairs are fluffy, know matter how "well-groomed" they are. Maybe make the hair a tad bit closer to the pelt, though. I love the collars. :)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, the lineart needs to be thicker, so as it goes with the other images. Instead of the tail being up, it would be better if it was curled around the paws, I think, and the ears need to be shrunk. The paws look slightly awkward too. I found this pic: click You could probably use it for reference. -- Bramble My Realm 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything Bramble. That pic made me laugh though. I would advise you not to make them quite that fat Yai! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, hey, they are kittypets. lol but yeah, don't make them that fat Yai. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble making the long hairs fluffy can someone help me?--Yai-Girl 14:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Hre's another reference: <<That should help you on the fur a little bit. (I know who drew that ^^) and instead of just thickining the outer lineart, try doing it with the inside lines, if that makes sense.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I did the short hairs, how do they look?--Yai-Girl 19:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Looks great, but can you please make them a bit bigger? MaYbe the size of my Loner blanks on the bottom? Besides that I love them! The reason I want them to be bigger, is beacuse it's easier to add shading, blending, and smudging, and so we can see the colors and tabby stripes/dapple even better. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you make the blanks bigger?--Yai-Girl 14:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Oh erm.. I don't know. Maybe ask somebody who is good at the computer? I had to redo my loner blanks to make them bigger :( Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have a couple of things:


 * 1) They are a little small but I'm not sure how to make them bigger (Moss might know as she did it for her prey-hunters)
 * 2) There doesn't seem to be much difference between the longhaired and shorthaired - make it clearer which have longer fur
 * 3) The heads are a little strange - they seem really... angular and the eyes are really off centre which looks odd
 * 4) The lineart on the inside of a couple of them still needs to be thickened.

Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thickened the lineart on the long hairs.--Yai-Girl 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I have a suggestion, try to make the tail on the longhears thicker so then we can tell the difference. --Spottedwing 16:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

thickened tails.--Yai-Girl 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here´s a diagram, I had no problems with it, but it´s a small like Hawkfire and Sandy said.--Yai-Girl 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't know.... the style just doesn't seem right.... --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Dawn?--Yai-Girl 11:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look rather cartoon-ish to me, and I honestly don't think they work very well. Please don't get me wrong - there is no offense intended, to either you, Yai-Girl, or Shady. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I can make them bigger, Yai, if that's alright with you. What Spottedwing meant when she said thicker tails wasn't the tail lineart, it was the size of the tail. As for the cartoonishness, I think their heads are the main problem. Their ears are at an awkward angle, and a bit big, and I think their heads just seem a bit wonky. But other than that, they seem like our other blanks. If you think about it Dawn, they're all cartoons... at least in the fact that they're drawn. -- Bramble My Realm 03:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are my horribble ears.--Yai-Girl 11:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The angle on the tails of the short hairs are bothering me. Make them more curved. I had the same problem. Also, I can barley tell the females from the males. Make the males coalars more maleish ( If that makes since ).Minnowclaw 11:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The right ear (Our right), looks smaller than the left ear, on the long-haired cats. Maybe make the right ears a bit bigger. Also, I agree with Minnowclaw; the males are hard to distinguish from the females. I think if you made the females' eyes a bit more "feminine", they'd look better. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 16:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the ears bigger and fixed the tails.--Yai-Girl 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

You're skipping over the make the females more feminine and the males more masculine. I think thickening their eye lineart, and making the female eyes look more feminine, and making a collar differenece would be better. -- Bramble My Realm 14:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the females eyes more feminine, made the males lissence rounder rather than a heart shape like on the females, and I made the long hairs tails thiner.--Yai-Girl 15:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl



I made another Rusty... these blanks do work. They just need to be made bigger. Also I like how the tail comes from behind the body on the longhairs more than the other two. Make the shorthairs tails curve round exactly like longhairs. -- Bramble My Realm 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they look right... they're very square on the shoulders and legs and the fur is all... tufty which makes them look like ungroomed kits. I think the fur for both the long and shorthaired needs to be sleeker as if it is well-groomed and the angle of the head is strange. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not exactly looking at you; the head was made at a 3/4 angle. -- Blackclaw09 20:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Pad - For Approval
You've been waiting for him, so here he is. Criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 18:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks good. Cute. -- Bramble My Realm 19:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you make the ear pink more triangular, darken the shading and add shading under the chin? Other then that he looks great! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, M&S, if you looked at just about every pair of ears on our kit pics, you'd see that they're not triangular. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Good point. Never mind. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

But, M&S has a point on the shading under the chin. You would need to make it darker.Minnowclaw 10:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

He looks super cute, but maybe tone down the ear pink a shade because it looks a very unnatural bright color.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Cutie, but darken the shading just a tad.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a little more. Also, the shading needs to be slightly darker. Good job, GB. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 20:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

He's very cute! The only thing would be if you could darken his eyes just a little bit. He looks great!!!-- MU MB LE 785  20:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

How's that? Also, Mumble, I want to keep the eyes bright, to make him look all cute and innocent. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Any comments before 24-hour approval?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you curve the neck shading downward just a smidge? It's almost a straight line right now. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll get on it tomorrow. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the tail needs to be darker. I can't see it. Otherwise, he's great! --Blackclaw09 20:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the coloring on the tail is the shading. Anything else? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. I don't see any more problems. --Blackclaw09 01:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading could be blended more. -- Darkhallows Lair 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, I've been busy lately, and I still am, and then I'm going to be gone for a week, so please do not decline. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Tadpole- for approval
ok, since scourge didn't work out, i made an easier one:tadpole. how did i do? rainpelt

add/darken shading... -- MU MB LE 785  23:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Add a tad bit of shading under the chin, head, sides, and lightly on the pars. Blend the ears some more and there's a darker line of pink running through it. Lighten the eyes, as they are hazel, and add a highlight to them. He looks very cute. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Also, judging by what you said on Scourge you are using paint, right? Try using www.pixlr.com to edit your images. (Use the burn tool for shading and the blur tool for ...blurring.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;">  MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, i used gimp to fix shading.-rainpelt


 * I can hardly see the shading and there's a part gray background..Theres look like some gray near his left foreleg close to the line art. There's also some near his ears and where his two paws meet his chest.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 01:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

i added shading and lightened the eyes and i have fixed the background rainpelt

i worked on shading more, and made the BG transparent, if it dosent show up for you guys tell me. and i also noticed the line art was lightened when i was doing shading, so i fixed that problem, have i fixed it all? rainpelt worked on shading and ears more, no comments in a while, so, i dont know what to do next.

Well, he needs shading on the other side of his body, his front legs and top of head, and your current shading needs to be blurred in more. There's also an extra bit of gray stuck in between the tail and side, get rid of that. -- Bramble My Realm 02:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed. rainpelt


 * It looks like you smudged it more than you blurred.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

blurred instead of smudged


 * The little picks of gray are still there in between the paws and his hind leg.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

did that, and lightened the ears. rainpelt

The shading needs to be blurred into the pelt, to make it look more natural, and less like patches. Plus, he's supposed to be black. Right now, he looks more like a dark gray. Maybe make him a little darker. Other then that, good! Jaypaw189 21:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

done-rainpelt

He doesn't have a pupil in his eyes. Fix that and he's looks good. --Blackclaw09 20:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

he has one.rainpelt 23:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

anything else? rainpelt

Add a white pixel into each eye for a highlight, then you need to redo the shading. It just doesn't look right. Here is exactly where: A thin line of shading on both of his cheeks and on top of his head. A slightly increased size of shading down both of his sides, a thin line of shading along the bottom of his tail, and two lines of shading up one side of each of his forelegs. -- Bramble My Realm 20:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

the origonal shading was lost when jaypaw asked me to darken thepelt so i will work on regaining that. ok, working on that. original shading was lost when jaypaw wanted me to darken it.-rainpelt

worked on shading a bit.-rainpelt

Okay. Firstly Rainpelt, please sign with 4 ~s as no-one can tell when you last edited. Now for the image: The ear pink is way too big for the ears and is too pale for a black kit. The shading needs to be more of a line as Bramble said above. Look at some of the approved kits (Mosskit, Applekit, Runningkit and Wolfkit are some good examples) to see how are where to put shading. Blend it in and this looks good to go. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Pinestar - For Approval
This is Pinestar, leader of ThunderClan, father of Tigerstar, and kittypet.

eyes should be green, bit more shading, other than that, very goodrainpelt

Your really god at making charcats!It's awesome,but as rainpelt and mumble said,add alittle more shading,then he'll be perfect!I like his green eyes,there like the color of the leaves in Green-leaf! --Firepelt 02:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

OMG! It's awesome! But, add some more shading, like rainpelt said. ;) If you need to, you can look at my nightstar (above) or one of the finished leaders. :) (And don't forget to sign your name with the four squigle-things (~)! -- MU MB LE 785  22:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

All it said was that he was a reddish-brown tabby tom. Nothing about all this extra stuff you put up. It's, good, but I think you need to change it.Minnowclaw 23:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Perhaps take the black markings away and make them slightly darker red, and add more stripes. Also, the lineart is still blurred. As I said before, I can fix this for you if need be. -- Bramble My Realm 02:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the eyes to green, like you said, Rainpelt. I don't remember it saying anything about him being a tabby, but if you look at page 144 in Code of the Clans, you will see a pic of Pinestar's head. It has the same markings I have drawn on him. That'd be great, Bramble, but could u wait untill it is ready to be approved? Jaypaw189 19:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

He's just a red-brown tom, so he doesn't need tabby marks. But the markings on his eyes can stay, just make them a darker brown color instead of black; black sticks out too much. And sure, I can wait until it just needs that done, and then it can be approved. -- Bramble My Realm 23:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bramble. I made them dark brown, like you asked. Any other changes you need? Jaypaw189 00:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Take away the black lines around the dark brown markings, and blur them a bit. That way they look less sharply defined and more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 00:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I blurred it like you asked. Jaypaw189 17:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

The outline is blurred a little.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got the new version to show up! I know, Bramble said she'd (or he'd) fix that for me when it's ready to be approved. Jaypaw189 20:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

I’m a she. ;) I reuploaded him with transparent background and unblurred lineart. Those black lines around his muzzle; take those away, cause it makes his muzzle look like he’s wrinkling it up and it looks odd. If you don’t know what I mean, look at the original leader blank and take away any black line on Pinestar’s muzzle that’s not on lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, also his ears and nose need to be pink. Not too stand-out-ish though. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I changd the muzzle, like u asked, Bramble. I made the nose pink, Sandy, but when I tried to make the ears pink, it looked really strange. Jaypaw189 16:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

It looks good, comments before approval?-- Darkhallows Lair 20:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Put in ear pink, but don't make it as bright as the nose pink. Also, his eyes are neon green, try making them a more natural shade. And blur the lighter fur on his chest more, for you highlights are showing up in a ring. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the ears, the chest, and the eyes. Anything else? Jaypaw189 00:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Yeah, I see little black marks above the ears. Fix, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Did that. Anything else need fixing? Jaypaw189 15:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Repeating, comments before approval? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The flecks are still there, and Pinestar shouldn't have a cream chest and muzzle. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 21:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I got rid of the flecks. And it showed him having a white muzzle in Code of the Clans. Jaypaw189 23:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie
 * You can't tell the color of things from a black & white picture. I think he looks great. -- MU MB LE 785  19:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

His basic ear pink just needs to be blurred a bit (take care not to hit the lineart). Then I'd call him good. The markings are fine, I think, but as it only showed up with a lighter muzzle, try taking away the cream chest. We can always revert it if it looks odd. -- Bramble My Realm 03:13, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Squirrelflight (Ki) - For Approval


I hope this cat is okay.I used www.pixlr.com.I tried my best in doing the outline in the sides,but i tihnk i need a way more darker color.she has tabby stripes on her pelt,and they are darker than the ginger colored pelt.I hope squirrelkit(squirrelflight) is okay!I had anotherimage of squirrelkit,but the paw was way to blurred,so i tried to slvge what i could of it and otouch it up a bit --Firepelt 03:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

She's pretty good, Fire. Her tabby stripes are a little messy, though, I'd look at some of Sandy's approved kit pics; they have awesome tabby stripes. Also, move her pupils down to the bottom of her eyes, and add a white pixel above the pupils for highlights, to make her look alive. Also, remember to add shading. Last of all, blur the edge of her white paw, and take away the black line separating her ginger fur from the white. --Bramble My Realm 03:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The lineart on her white paw shows blurred to me...-- ♪Shimmer♫ 04:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made you a diagram. The blue stripes are where your tabby stripes need to be, and when you've added them, using the same color you have the current stripes, blur them a bit. The red circles are where you need to add darker shading; use the burn tool (white-gloved hand) for that. And the green circles are where you need to take out those black lines across the ears, and shrink the pink and put in some ginger around it, like the other approved images. Also, change the eyes like I have them changed. At the moment, her eyes look wonky and twisted. --Bramble My Realm 02:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thx bramble,I touched her up,burned her stripes,and deleted the old one's and put new ones in,i added darker ginger shading like brownish to her and deleted the black line at the ears. --Firepelt 18:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Better but not there yet. The ear pink needs to be much smaller and blended in (look at some approved kits for reference. Mintkit, Fallowkit and Ivykit for example although there are many others) Then sort out the eyes as she looks cross-eyed (again looking at approved kits for guidance will help greatly). She needs more shading on her neck and sides and you need to extend it into the pelt and blend well to lessen the transition. Then make sure she's not blurry as I can see some blurred lineart that's giving her a fuzzy look :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Your getting there! Her tabby stripes need to be more thicker and blended a little more. The linart is also blurred to me. Hawkfire My Den 15:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop moving the section! And the pictures, for that matter. All you have to do is upload the new version of the image, then edit this section saying you've updated. No need to move the section, pics, or anything. You've made all our sigs dead somehow. -- Bramble My Realm 01:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've moved this back to join the rest of the section - we do not need duplicates of your approval section on the page Firepelt. Just leave it where it is and comment from there. There's no need for anyone to be moving sections unless they are a senior warrior archiving. I put Bramble's comment in at the bottom but the rest was all duplicate so I just kept one lot. (ps. I think the sigs become dead when you copy from the saved page and not from the editing box). All you need to do is follow the guidelines for improvement and then leave a message in this section when you've done them (remembering to upload the new version). Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks a bit pale to me... Perhaps darken her a little to make the colors mure pure? -- MU MB LE 785  22:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of the ginger is overlapping the outline. The tabby markings need to be less distinct and lightened, while the pelt needs to be darkened a shade. Her eyes look like there cross-eyed some. xD Other than that, it looks good. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed overlapping,darkened pelt.Done.--Firepelt 19:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Maybe you should make the ear pink a more natural color, like a lighter shade of pink. Also, try blurring the tabby markings, just a bit more. But, this is really good. Nice job, Firepelt! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried to work on squirrel,but my sister's laptop will no accepte the pic for some reason,and current;y my computer is in the shop,it crashed so ALL the images i ever made are lost forever. :(So,ill try and work on ut when i can.--Firepelt 17:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

I changed the file name to Squirrelkit, as your current one was a bit long. Just say the name of the cat for the name of the file. Actually, only the outside of the lineart, where there's some excess shading needs to be cleared up, and she looks pretty good otherwise. -- Bramble My Realm 15:21, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

My computer is gonna be in the shop for about 1 to 2 months bramble,so,can you plase fix up the shading for me?It would be a big help,and I can't wait 2 months to work on it.Can you please?Thx,--Firepelt 16:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

The nose is the same color as the pelt; change it to pink. She's cute, though.

Sorry to hear about your computer, Fire. I hope it can get fixed soon. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:skyblue; background:gold; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Sparrowkit ( BrookClan Camp ) 21:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, Fire. I cleared up the excess shading for you, as well as changing the nose. Are there any other comments? -- Bramble My Realm 23:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Just the ear pink needs sorting. It's a bit bright Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Firestar(Wa) - for Approval


Ok! I didn't get to do these guys as leaders, but I have brought back my old Fireheart (updated!) and Bluestar as a deputy. But where's Crookedjaw? Well... I need a little help on him... I don't know how to make the jaw crooked on the Warrior Blanks! So, if you can, please help me! After that's sorted out, I can finish him and put him up. Since my resevations only last two weeks, I stuffed 'em into one thread. xD Comments/Suggestions/Help? -- MU MB LE 785  22:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I separated it out into different sections. The ear colour is still a bit dodgy, play around with it a bit. Also, (I remember when this was up before it was declined) the colouring technique you have done him in is now more used for mottled cats. I would sayto make him a solid colour, butt before you do, maybe you should gather Sandy's or Bramble's opinions on this (or another senior warrior's, or just someone else's in general actually =D ). I think that the shading is good, you have a good style. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix the ear, and wait for the other higher-ranked peoples opinions, too. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  01:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawn. Take away the markings as they look kind of red and it's making the orange a really strange colour. Make the orange less fluroescent too. The shading is great it's just his colour! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is very good remove the red markings and in my opinion the sheading on the ear is too much. Stonestar 19:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Alrighty! I'm on it! -- MU MB LE 785  23:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I fixed his bolor and took away the tabby markings, but I didn't overwrite my previous image because I wanted to compare them. -- MU MB LE 785  23:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

he looks great maybe darken his pelt a tad bit more. Stonestar 23:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Alright. -- MU MB LE 785  20:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

UPLOADED. Compare that... Better? -- MU MB LE 785  20:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

His ear looks a little light to me. The one behind his other ear. --Blackclaw09 21:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The one closest to you? -- MU MB LE 785  22:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

HE LOOKS A LOT BETTER PERFECT PELT COLOR. Oops caps lock! --StonestarStonestar 22:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC) xD Good. I like him, too. Any other constuctments? (sucky spelling i think...) -- MU MB LE 785  23:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

No, the ear behind the closest ear. It's too dark. --Blackclaw09 23:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh! That ear! I'll fix it. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  18:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Better? -- MU MB LE 785  18:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Add some shading in the middle, just like you did on Bluefur. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get on that. :) -- MU MB LE 785  19:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

UPLOADED. Another comparison, Minus another. ;) Better? -- MU MB LE 785  19:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * xD I am SOOO Stupid!!! Okay, I didn't see Bluefur below Fireheart, and I was frantically searching for her, then I looked in the Approved images, and I found her there, and I had completely forgotten that she was almost Accepted!!! It probably happened because she wasn't in that big list of Accepted images on the Project page... xD -- MU MB LE 785  19:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like the second version better. On both of them, right after the chest shading it suddenly stops like the pencil tool was put on there - you either need to blur that area more, or add shading to it. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 17:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

kk. -- MU MB LE 785  20:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Wow, that was fast. Better? -- MU MB LE 785  20:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Yup! Now just lighten his shading a smidge and I think he'll be good to go. :) Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 17:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't see the ear pink Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall for approval


My first image. Comments? Criticism? Feel Free Bracken- 17:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is good Bracken! The only problem I see is the smudged lineart. Fix that, then we can see if there are any other issues.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 18:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I see a few problems. His pelt is a strange orange colour where it should be brown (like his father). The lineart is very blurry so Echo's right, that does need fixing. Also, the large triangular tabby markings you've used are deemed as cartooony and are not acceptable for the high standards of the project. There are a few alternative marking methods that are esay to do. You can use wavy markings such as on Tornear or Stumpytail - I use these personally for warriors and there are very easy to do. You can also try the 'jagged y' markings such as on Brambleclaw or Cinderheart and there are others besides such as Sunstar. I would suggest either of the first two options however as it is your first image - make sure they're only slightly darker than your base colour. When you've sorted the lineart and the colour and the markings then we'll talk shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's Birchfall again, I hope he's better this time. Bracken- 20:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He looks a lot better but next time can you post Birchfall at the same place as your first one. Stonestar 20:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

He's much better. You just need to make the pink of the ear more triangular and less blurry, so that it doesn't interfere with the lineart. You could also look at some of the approved warrior images to get an idea of the small issues like the ear pink, shading, and how to make the pupil of the eye.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the need is very... stand-out-ish. make it end at the tip of the whiskers and erase all that darker color that was paint over his neck. Some of his eye has went over the outer lineart. The shading needs to be blended a lot more, and needs to be darker. I can barely see it in some places. The tabby markings are almost a sickly green color. Make it only a shade or two darker than the pelt.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 19:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

We're getting there. You have all the components it just looks a bit messy. You need to carefully blend the shading into the pelt so it is a smoother colour transition. Take a bit away from the top of the muzzle as it runs straight from the head and looks odd. Then straighten some of the markings so they look a bit neater and add some more in the gaps you've missed. Make the ear pink triangular and blend it in slightly. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend the ear pink, like sandy said, but I think that the shape is fine. Make the pink a little bit darker, though... It's sort of bright. You need to blend the shading and markings tremendously. Try using the blur tool at http://www.pixlr.com/. It'll help you out. ;) Other than that, great image. :) -- MU MB LE 785  21:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, This should be okay, I changed the stripes, and blurred "everything" I hope this is good! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 23:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Thin the shading a little bit (It goes a little too far into the body), lighten it a little bit, and blend it some more. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  18:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Re-uploaded! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 23:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Very good bracken-i love him!!!i just suggest to blend in a littl the shading.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;DeepPink; background:Aquamarine; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DeepPink;"> ♫ Shimmer ღ 23:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

re-uploaded Is he a bit too pink? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 02:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

i've got 2 I'm not sure which one is better... Can you tell me maybe? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 22:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I personally like the first one. However, use the same eye technique you used on the second one on the first one. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 01:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I got two more!!! new stripes. is blurred better? or non blurred stripes? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 23:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I like the color and the shading, but I think the shading needs to be blurred more... I think the stripes should be a tad bit thicker, and when blurring them be careful not to smudge the lineart because it looks like it got a bit blurred. Also, maybe vary the shape of the stripes a bit (make some longer, or some thicker, or make some 'Y' shaped) because not all the stripes on a tabby look the same. Otherwise, it looks great. --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

okay,3 --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 00:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Right. I'm not sure which version you want to work on but personally I like the third best. Add tabby stripes on the rest of the body (and legs/tail/head etc). Make sure you have shading in all the required places: top of head, back ear, back, chest, tail, legs, curve of hindleg and blend it all a little without blending the lineart. You just need to neaten this image up a bit as everything's a little messy. Make the ear pink triangular and in the center of the ear and then blend a little. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Owleyes (Deputy) - For Approval
Hey, finally got him finished. Comments? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 19:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He's great! All I can see is that there needs to be more shading, and it needs to be more natural-looking, kind of blended. Otherwise, he's perfect!--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He neeeds much more shading, and the shading needs to be darker. blur the shading more and blur the ear pnk. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice color! All I see is that to darken the shading, and mayeb brighten the ear pink. It is grayish pinkish. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 19:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried thickening the shading, and, I blended the ear pink more, lightening it, just a tad. I'm trying to make it look like Owlstar's ear pink, so I didn't lighten it a whole lot. Is this better? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for being so picky, but I would thicken the shading even more than what you have now. It needs to look almost 3D, not just like there's a shadow at the edges of the lineart.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I completely re-did him. I agree with Echomist; the shading was very....strange. Is this a little better? Oh, and you're not being annoyng, Echomist; if anyone's being annoying, it's me, with my stick-thin shading. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 22:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - His shading's better. Now just darken it and he should look good. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 17:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the clutter, Bramble. =( I'll try, and get this approved (Or declined) at warp speed! ;) Anyway, I darkened the shading, a bit more. Meh. Looks a little weird. Suggestions? Psst, I will get this shading stuff right, if it kills me! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 00:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't feel bad, Honeyfur. :) The Project's just so popular, the page gets messy, and I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. Anyways, the image is good, he just needs some shading on his tail, hind paws and front leg curve. On the shading, blur it. I'm glad you have a determined attitude; we need that! -- Bramble My Realm 14:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - If you're having toruble with the shading, try putting the hardness on your brush to zero - it'll automatically blur! Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 19:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Deadfoot- For approval
Here he is, I hor the paw is OK... My computer is fixed, and I'll get it back tomarrow ^^. It had this super weird error or something... -facepalm--- Darkhallows Lair 22:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The coloring and shading is great, I have only a couple things. First, there's a couple white pixels on his tail, remove those. Also, is the raised paw the twisted one? It looks a bit strange using that one because it looks a bit more like he just has a short leg... I think you might be able to make it look more twisted if you used a different leg, but that's just me. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This is pretty good except I think the ear pink could be a little bit brighter, You don't have to agree though... Bracken- 23:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You could make the ear pink lighter, because it's the same color as the scar on his muzzle. --Blackclaw09 20:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed the ear, though I left the paw the same.-- Darkhallows Lair 08:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There's a white pixel on his paw, the one next behind his tail. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be there. --Blackclaw09 20:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

He has short fur. But I love his color. Does it say somewhere that he's longhaired? He's WindClan, and they generally have short fur. -- Bramble My Realm 00:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The fur was just a random pick, I changed it. Also I changed the paw... is it alright?-- Darkhallows Lair 07:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the paw looks great. Sparrowsong 18:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

The paw does look better, and thanks for turning him shorthaired, but his eye looks stretched for some reason. -- Bramble My Realm 02:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - His ear pink is too light and looks very smudged. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 19:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Whitestar- For Approval
My first white cat! *Fidgets Nervously* I'm still a little in the dark on shading, but, I'll get there, some day! What do you think of him? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe darken the area between his front legs. --Blackclaw09 20:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading's a bit light, and it needs to be blended more. --Blackclaw09 21:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Or, does it need to be lighter/darker? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 16:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The ear pink is a bit light. You could darken it more. --Blackclaw09 17:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The transition between the ear pink and the shading is distinct; blur them both. Also add a bit of shading to the top of his head. -- Bramble My Realm 20:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Better? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

It's better to me. You need to add more shading on the (his right) of his chest.Minnowclaw 12:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

One of his back legs is a lighter color than the rest of the body.--Yai-Girl 16:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Blur your highlights as well as your shading; also add a bit of shading to (his right) cheek. -- Bramble My Realm 23:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ruby (Ki) - For Approval
Scourge's sister who we all know is responsible for him turning evil...comments anyone?

Something is bothering me about the collar. Should I take it out entirely, or is there some way I could fix it? --Sparrowsong 03:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Try shading the bottom half of the collar to fix it. ;) I think she's great. -- MU MB LE 785  16:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go do that.

You really like it? Thanks! *Touched* Sparrowsong 16:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE: I shaded it a bit, but it's a little hard to tell. It'll probably take a while for the changes to show up. --Sparrowsong 17:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - How can something that evil be so cute? Try adding a highlight on the tag, like I did with Tiny. Seeing as it is made of metal, it would be highly reflective. Also, blur your shading a bit more. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 17:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploading. Thanks for your tip. Sparrowsong 17:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry if it takes me a while to reply - my computer is extremely slow. Like, EXTREMELY.

I luffles her! NOw, the only thing I can see is maybe add a little bit more shading on the right side of her right leg, in that area above her paw. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I can whip up a diagram in less than 5 minutes within the time I see the comment. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  20:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Kay, I'll get right on it. Sparrowsong 21:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Is the shading in the right part of her foot? Sparrowsong 00:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments? Anyone...? Sparrowsong 04:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Sparrow. The shading's in the right places, just make it all a little thicker and blend it all in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I'll upload it as soon as I can. Sparrowsong 05:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sparrowsong 05:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please don't claw my fur off, but I think that the shading is too light. Make it a bit lighter and make blend it more.Minnowclaw 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I think you meant too dark, Minnow. But yes, lighten the shading just a bit and blur the transition. Also make the shading a bit more thin on the legs, and add shading underneath the collar; there would be a shadow there. She's very pretty, though. -- Bramble My Realm 14:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Better? Sparrowsong 17:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 15:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

There seems to be an odd lighter line on the left shoulder? I can circle it, if needed. :\-- Quiet !... 03:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll get right on it. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 03:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploading. Better? <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 04:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Whitestorm (A) - for approval


Ok, hopefully if this is approved it will be my 10th! comments? Sand wich  989  20:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Technicaly, he was never shown as an apprentice. Boltstar 20:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

He was never seen as an apprentice (I think), but I know he was mentioned as one. Maybe add some shading to his tail and legs, they look very flat. -- Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 20:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

He was seen as an apprentice. Snowfur spends his vigil by his side in Secrets of the Clans. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We need all characters in all past and current forms. About the image: I agree with skyfeather about the shading. It's very good other than that. ;) -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 22:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Skyfeather, and Mumble. Also, maybe add some shading on the top of his head. By the way, this is really good. =) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 17:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Sand wich  989  21:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Add some shading to the top of the head and the foreleg and hindleg facing away from us. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 23:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Added. Sand wich  989  08:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval in 24 hours? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Archeye (W) for approval

 * So, it's Archeye. Not much to say about this, only thing is that the shading doesn't seem to show much with the black stripes. I can make it more dramatic if necessary. Comments? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 22:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend more, shade a tad bit darker, and make the tabby stripes thinner. They look blotchy right now. Other than that, he looks good. ;) (Don't forget to sign with four ~'s!!!) -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 22:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll change those things soon (And I just forgot to sign, I don't know why... XD) <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 22:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I increased shading, thinned out the stripes, and blurred thoroughly. Does it look better now?

The tabby stripe on his neck is very light ad needs to be the same color as the other stripes.Minnowclaw 11:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

That's not a tabby stripe. That's the shadow from his jaw. --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 21:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Move the jaw shadow to other other side, under his chin. Also, thin and blur the tabby markings on his front leg. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 22:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Mumblefoot (E)- For approval

 * I don't have much to say about this other than that he's my first elder. Any comments...?

(M) - Blur everything thoroughly. (Mumblefoot. Heh, his name cracks me up. ^_^) Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 17:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Like Moss said, it needs blending. x3 Really good, though.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 20:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

That band of shading around the neck looks like a collar, You could probably take that out. Other than that, blend, and it looks great. -- Bramble My Realm 02:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Updated it, and blended it a bit. Is it better now? --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Perfect. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 15:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Swiftpaw (K) - for approval


Ok heres my first Highlight and Shaded cat put together. It might look unnatural, but its like the Sun is hitting from his left(our right) side and he's turned so the rest of him is in the shadows. And technichally he was seen as a kit because he was a kit during his apprentice ceremony in Fire and Ice. Sand wich  989  20:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

His ear pink is way too bright. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed ear pink. Sand wich  989  21:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Part of the mouth lineart has been erased. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 21:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed mouth. Sand wich  989  08:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I know the ear pink on his right(his right) ear is shaded, but it looks completely different than the other. Make it a little less dark, similar to the other, but a touch darker. -- Bramble My Realm 15:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Hawkheart(MC) - For Approval
It's Hawkheart! I don't like him at all, but he was the only dark brown tom med cat I could find.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller and extend the belly shading to meet the back shading. Lighten the herbs on both ends so you keep the contrast but so that it can be seen as it's very dark on the bottom. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Better?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I think he is ready to be approved. Nice Warrior.Minnowclaw 12:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

He needs some shading on the bottom of his herbs, but other than that he's great. -- Bramble My Realm 14:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Better?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 23:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Pouncetail (A) - For Approval
I used the same colours as I did for Pouncetail and tried to match the layout of patches. Constructments? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Very nice! Just like his warrior version. :) Darken the shading a bit, and once again the background needs to be transparent. ^_^ Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 14:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops... sorry Moss (I am such a mousebrain). Done Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

All I can see is that on his haunch with the orange patch you have the shading, then a normal part, then it gets dark. Does that need to be fixed?Minnowclaw 12:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

It goes Shading, highlight and then normal. I'll fix it later whne I get to my own computer to make it less of a sharp transition. Thanks Minnow Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I've blended it in as much as possible. Better? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 08:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

He's great. (transparency needed, though :) Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 15:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Graypaw for approval
I'm finally back! What do you think of Graypaw?Minnowclaw 11:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

His eyes look red.--Yai-Girl 21:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Fixed it.Minnowclaw 12:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I love this. The only thing I see is that where his gray stripe is, there are a few lighter gray pixels mixed in near his back lineart, and the lineart has also been blurred a bit near his shoulder area. -- Bramble My Realm 14:54, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this better?Minnowclaw 15:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The ear pink is a little messy, otherwise it's great!-- Darkhallows Lair 05:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by messy.Minnowclaw 12:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Make it more triangular, and a touch darker and more pink, so it fits into the ear better. -- Bramble My Realm 15:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought his eyes were yellow... correct me if I'm wrong though. -- Blackclaw09 21:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Russetfur (D) - for approval
It's Russetfur! I really liked her in the TigerstarXSasha mangas, and her description looked interesting, so I had to do her. Comments? <span style="color:Orchid;background:Wheat;font-family:AvantGarde Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orchid;"> Echomist <font color="Goldenrod">Hear the Echo... 12:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

She's gorgeous!! The only thing I see is that in TigerXSasha comics, it shows that she has white paws as well. Could you add white paws? Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 12:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

She doesn't have a white chest or paws. Not in her descript, and the people who do the mangas are not the Erins, as Sandy stated in another section. If you must have those areas lighter, make them a lighter ginger than her basic pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 23:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

In Russetfur's description, it doesn't say anything about lighter paws, but it does say a white chest, so I just left her where she was. Should I add the lighter paws? <span style="color:Orchid;background:Wheat;font-family:AvantGarde Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orchid;"> Echomist <font color="Goldenrod">Hear the Echo... 23:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

On her article, it used to. Now it says as the books do: she's a dark ginger she-cat. The Erins probably didn't give much detail on her descript to the manga artist, and he/she probably didn't bother looking it up. Unless the Erins confirm it, or you can provide me a series book reference, we go without. Kk? :) -- Bramble My Realm 02:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Took away the white patch on her chest. How is she? --<span style="color:Orchid;background:Wheat;font-family:AvantGarde Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orchid;"> Echomist <font color="Goldenrod">Hear the Echo... 23:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

She looks great. Make the ear pink slightly bigger and more triangular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 09:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorm - for approval
Not much to say, what do you think?Minnowclaw 14:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

(M) - Make the tabby markings thicker, and blur them thoroughly. Also, the background needs to be transparent (I can do it for you, if you want.) Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 14:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Could you actually make it transparent for me?Minnowclaw 12:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

(M) - Image is now transparent. Darken the ear pink, and there is a white pixel near the base of the tail. Darken the markings a shade too. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 19:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I darkened and blurred the shading, but I didn't make the tabby stripes darker because it says she has barley visible tabby stripes.Minnowclaw 20:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

(M) - You still need to darken the ear pink though. Mosswhisker and Steatlhfire 22:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

good?Minnowclaw 23:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

She doesn't look at all like her warrior version, try changing the stripes to match.-- Darkhallows Lair 05:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it turned out to well, but I did my best to copy her warrior version.Minnowclaw 12:51, 14 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Blend the shading, theres a distinctive line from the shading to the ginger. Blur the tabby stripes some more into the pelt. They kinda stick out. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading more,and blur the tabby stripes,maybe also burn them a bit.As hawky said,they do kinda stick out.--Firepelt 16:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

--Firepelt 16:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)--Firepelt 16:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No need to agree with me on everything ;) Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 18:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)