Forum:Hollyleaf's power

I was looking at another forum called "Theory", in which it someone pointed out that somewhere in Dark River Hollypaw was surprised to find herself swimming so easily. In another scene(it may have been Dark River or Outcast) Cloudtail comments about her strong back legs, not to mention the fact that she was the cat sent to ask for Shadowclan's help in Eclipse(which means she may be very fast). Her fur is dark enough to conceal her at night, and she looks at things from the perspectives of others to better understand them. Her power could be that she possesses the special abilities shown in all four clans. She can swim like a Riverclan cat, has strong limbs and is swift like a Windclan cat(who does that remind you of? cough*crowfeather*cough)has fur that can enable her to hide in darkness like a Shadowclan cat, and, as noted in Outcast and her battle with Heatherpaw, is a good hunter and decent fighter(a trait seen in Thunderclan cats like Squirrelflight and Sandstorm). She is also just, and devoted to the clan like Bluestar.(Bluestar gave up her kits to become deputy) In short, Hollypaw seems to be like the "Avatar" of the four clans, and the champion for the warrior code. What do you think of this? Willowwhisker 01:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with all that.-- Jay feather 01:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this makes me think that Hollyleaf's power could be to be the best warrior ever with all of those qualities and she could definitely be the next leader of Thunderclan. Well spotted Willowwhisker :) Cloudtail48 02:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Dang, that makes Jayfeather's power seem like nothing!--Shaf Girl 03:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think Hollyleaf's power has already been identified: she has the brains and an intellect beyond any other cat. That is why I would think she would come out evil. She is super smart, has the ambitions as well as a decent fighter, not to mention she admires the Warrior Code like no tomorrow, so she might try and revolt against the prophecy to keep the Clans from changing.--Morningwater 05:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I think she has abilities from all five clans-the fifth being SkyClan with her having strong back legs like SkyClan. I completely support Willowwhisker's idea. Sandtalon 14:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Really though...it's her brain power. You guys are looking way to into it. Having traits from all five Clans is to farfetched; she's NOT that brillant at fighting. She is able to do better than the other cats because she's smart and able to think things through; think Hermione from Harry Potter.--Morningwater 22:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh...then I suppose that you don't think Jaypaw's ability to see the dreams of others is farfetched. And maybe you don't think that Lionblaze's ability to never get hurt in battle is farfetched as well. As for Holly's fighting skills, I said she was DECENT, NOT brilliant. Let me take time to remind everyone that she beat Heatherpaw in a mock battle even though a)She started her warrior training late and b)Heatherpaw had been training for over two moons before Holly. Holly did surprisingly well for an apprentice. But her fighting skills don't really compare to Lionpaw's,I'll admit.

Give Holly a little credit; she doesn't need to have intelligence and common sense bestowed upon her to make her a smart thinker. Any kit could be born like that-take Bluestar for example. And both Holly and Bluestar have made mistakes. But, strangely enough, I was thinking of Holly as a sort of Hermione as well. (:Willowwhisker 02:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, because Jaypaw is a medicine cat. Medicine cats already get dreams and he is able to walk freely among them because that is his power. And of course Hollyleaf would be good at battling I mean look at her parents and grandparents? I know Bluestar was smart, but I see Hollyleaf to be way smarter than any of the cats---well to be. She'll be a great strategists, able to work out problems easier and figure out easy ways to jump and swim. Why should she have powers from all the Clans and Jaypaw and Lionblaze don't? It doesn't make sense and it would just marysue her character completely.--Morningwater 03:59, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

And why should Jaypaw walk in dreams, Lionpaw have invincibility, and Hollypaw not have those abilities? Hollypaw having the abilities of all four clans may be part of what influences her to be the diplomat of the three, to try to solve problems from the points of view of all cats. But I also think Hollypaw is smart on her own. And I think the term Marysue is being used incorrectly in this case-Hollypaw may seem like a perfect cat due to her abilities and intelligence, but she is not perfect, unlike most Marysues, and she has one characteristic that may also be seen as a flaw-she has a complete obsession with the Warrior code.

Hollypaws assumed talents seem to balance well with Lionpaw and Jaypaw's. Remember this: She is not invincible like Lionpaw, so she can be more easily killed, like a regular cat. Neither can she walk in the dreams of cat's in rival clans in order to find out their secrets like Jaypaw is able to do. And it makes perfect sense, seeing as how she is one of the Three.

AND think of it this way: They have the power of the stars in their paws

A Starclan cat has youth and nearly tireless strength, and cannot be killed, similar to LIONPAW.

Starclan cats are able to walk in the dreams of their kin, clanmates, and cats from rival clans, just like JAYPAW, who had that ability even before he chose to become a medicine cat. He would have his power, whether or not he was a medicine cat. However, being a med cat seemed to suit him best, once he got used to it.

Starclan cats are made up of cats from all FOUR CLANS. Each clan is known for having traits that are different to those of cats from rival clans. Starclan is one clan. HOLLYPAW is one cat, a cat who shares the traits of all four rival clans. A power that may possibly bring the clans together.

That is how I now see things; I do not easily restrict myself to just one opinion, for it is good to see things from all possibilities before making judgements.Willowwhisker 04:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

What if...hmmm...now, just because she has the power of all four clans' abilities doesn't mean she's a super duper fighter. There are cats in the Clans that fight like kittypets. That's her disadvantage. She's definitly a Hermione, that's clear.--Shaf Girl 05:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Exactly! It wouldn't be fair if she did not have some kind of disavantage. I know Jay's physical blindness is his disadvantage...but I wonder about Lionpaw's...maybe his bloodlust and blind rage? But, in any case, I think being able to do a bit of everythng is a sensible power for her. And besides, just because Holly has strong legs doesn't mean she will always be faster than a windclan cat, or that she'll be a better swimmer than a riverclan cat or, possibly, jump higher than a skyclan cat. But she will be able to do those things much better than every cat except those who share that particular ability in their own clan. She'll know how to do almost anything, but she'll be an expert at nothing. Still, a notable power indeed.—Willowwhisker 04:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

But, I don't get why you all think having the power of great intellect is a bad thing? I know if I wouldn't mind it. To me it is way useful than Jaypaw's or Lionblaze's abilities. Her weakness would be that she's to ambitious to keep things prderly and is Warrior Code oriented.--Morningwater 06:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

You do have a point about Hollypaw being warrior code oriented. I don't think her intelligence is a bad thing-I'm just saying that it would be cooler if Hollypaw's intelligence was something that came naturally,not from some power. I definitely think Hollypaw is smart all by herself. But sometimes, intelligence is not the most useful thing in the world. Just like strength or being able to walk in dreams. Every power, in my opinion, is equal to those of the other two. But, I do agree that intellect could also be her power- Starclan cats are known for their wisdom as well.—Willowwhisker 02:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The prophecy is about ALL THREE. If one was stronger than the others, the prophecy would only be focused on that one cat. Thus, Hollyleaf can't have every Clan skill, for that would make the other powers puny in comparison. Wolf 19:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Wolf

I rekon she will be able to hypnotise other cats or something like that Silverwind 3 dec 08

Wolf, if you looked into what I wrote you'd see that I just pointed out that she will be easier to kill than Lionblaze since she can get hurt, and she is unable to walk in dreams and read minds, unlike Jayfeather.

I also said that even if she does have abilities from each clan, she won't be able to master them as much as a real Riverclan or Windclan or Shadowclan cat could. And, it doesn't make the other powers puny. All three of them are unique. Remember that what Lionblaze and Jayfeather have, she doesn't have.

And, it's the author's choice about who the prophecy is focused on! They never specified if the three would be equal in power. Hollyleaf's ability could be adaptability. To adjust to different situations and overcome her problems with ease.

But now I'm starting to think that Silverwind's idea makes sense as well. In the first chapter, she ordered the Thunderclan and Shadowclan cats to stop fighting, and they stopped. I now think that either she has abilities from all the clans, or she can make cats follow her orders. All I know is, whatever power Hollyleaf has, I'll just accept it and drop the argument. I like moving on to newer theories anyway-it's fun.−Willowwhisker 18:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense,but she's also nosey,annoying,and too concerned about the warrior code!She HAS to break once and a while!SHE'S MORE POWERFUL THAN THE CODE! JayCinder

Hmmmm i recon ive worked it out LionBlaze stands a Physical or BODy Jypaw is a dream woalker and represents MIND So that leaves hollyleaf who is obsesed with the code the soul of the cats way of life She Stand for SIRIT you know they all balance out to make the perfect triangle of power MIND /     \           BODY - SPIRIT - By the-crazy-mad-man

i agree with willowwhisker.and that is neat crazy mad manMorningleaf 19:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)-morningleaf

I think Hollyleafs power wouldn't be "telling them what to do and them listening", but being able to... more like influence their actions through... verbal command. That kinda sounds the same but it's not, trust me. It's like if they really don't want to, they don't have to, or won't. It's more influential. And a for the mind, body, spirit thing, I think Jayfeather is more of a spirit since he looks through their dreams and feelings, which is more spirit than mind, in my opinion. Silvertree  ♥  18:33, 21 February 2009 (UTC)