Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Picture Alternates
I was wondering, as we are now doing alternates for manga mistakes, should we also do alternates for mistakes in other pictures (particularly from Cats of the Clans)? 17:54, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmmm good question. Everybody used to always say no, because book covers and such aren't acurate, but neither is the manga really. I think we should, but I don't know for sure. I think it'd have to be a major difference, and there's not really many of those. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  18:13, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I say they should. I mean, why not? They were inaccurately described, and that's what an alt is for. -- 01:51, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose, but in terms of book covers we should only make alts if the identity of the cat on the cover is confirmed and cited, and of course only if the change is significant. Frankly I don't see us doing any based on book covers, as often the only difference is eye colors. 02:49, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

There aren't many, but I think: Heathertail, Littlecloud and possibly Tawnypelt were quite different in their CotCs pictures. 17:54, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

They have to be different from there descriptions though Speckle, not their chararts. I think Tawnypelt MAY get one, but I'm not sure, since she's a dark tortie specifically normally, then she's a tortie and white in CotC. As for the others, if I remember right about what their pitures looked like, they wouldn't get alts. They go fine with their descrption. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  19:22, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

The cats that would most likely get alts form that book would be Littlecloud (shown as a brown tabby with a white underbelly) and Runningnose (who is black and white). 22:14, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Runningnose wouldn't, as he already is a black/dark gray and white cat. As for Littlecloud, it seems kinda minute. 15:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Littlecloud wouldn't act as a full out project, since he already his a brown tabby. Littlecloud would actually be a tweak (I believe) to add the white underbelly to his image already. 17:16, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Are we actually tweaking images to look like their CotC pics? Cause there's a lot of cats that need tweaking then. Squirrelflight, Feathertail and Talon also need white bellies, Hearthertail and Onestar need white muzzles, Silverstream and Tigerstar need paler bellies, Mothwing needs a white muzzle and paws, and Crookedstar DOES need cream on him after all. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:51, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should tweak the images at all. We're not supposed to be using the pictures in books as guidelines, honestly. I see no need for it, since I don't really consider the pictures in Cats of the Clans accurate. 17:56, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudy. They're minor mistakes, and manga alts are ONLY for huge mistakes. If you find a major pelt change then by all means I think they should get one, but just having a white belly, no, or something like that wouldn't. 18:13, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we shouldn't make alts for those, but should we tweak the actual images to fit with the CotC images? Ashfur was tweaked to have those stripes on his legs and stuff, so why shouldn't the others? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  14:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ashfur is being tweaked with stripes on his legs. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 15:00, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Highlights
Alright, so I've been seeing a lot of this and I think it's time that it needs to be noted. Please refrain from saying the simple comment, "Add highlights." Highlights are not needed to make an image look better. I, myself, never use highlights. However, you could say something like "brighten the highlights if you have them." That is more relevant. If the user says "I cannot because I don't use highlights" then it's probably that the shading is too dark. Understood? Agreed? 17:12, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Agreed. I don't need to say anymore, because this is clear enough. 17:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

FINALLY somebody posts this! thank you Splashy! XD I personally only use highlights if it's a really dark cat, or a silver cat. It can get really annoying at times to be asked to do something with highlights. Honestly, I'm guilty of asking users to add highlights ocassionally, but only on blck cats which I believe really should have them so they don't look pure black, but meh. XD I'll stop doing that too. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't use highlights at all, even on black cats. I've about had it, because someone tells me on every charart I do to add highlights. I mean, honestly. It gets on my freaking nerves. 17:26, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Great idea! I only use highlights on sleek, golden, and silver cats. 18:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, highlights bug me a bit :P 20:23, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Good point Splashpelt. I so agree with this. 23:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you splashpelt. I hate when people just say they dont use them and dont do anything. Its like you still need to fix the shading then, its not so hard to figure out. 18:29, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with everything that has been said, especially Iceheart. 13:26, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Colour example?
I was wondering if we could have a colour example image. I don't know if anybody knows what I mean, but sometimes when you're commenting on an image and you want the artist to change the earpink to a different colour or adjust the pelt colour, you can't properly describe what colour you mean, so you post an image (like I did under Mosspelt's tweaked image). However, once the image is finished and archived, your colour-reference image ends up floating around and taking up space if it doesn't get a delete tag. I was wondering if we could have a designated image that you can just reupload your colour onto for reference, so we don't end up cluttering the wiki with these random colour squares. Obviously it wouldn't be used very commonly, but it would be helpful for keeping clutter to a minimum. I dunno. Maybe this is a flawed idea... You tell me. Opinions? 01:46 Sat Oct 22

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about having one image that would have a specific name and you would just reupload this image with a new color when needed? Sorry, I'm a bit confused at what you are asking Dx 01:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry for confusion :3 01:52 Sat Oct 22

Hm, I see what your saying (i hope) But what if two people use the image at the same time, like one person posts a color for earpnk. And then somebody else uploads over with another color for eye color, for instance, blue, and posts under another image for approval. So the other person working on the other image and comes on seeing a person suggesting "blue" for earpink and be all like "wtf??" So, should it be only available to upload over once the image is archived? (Sorry if I was vague ^^;;) 02:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

We could have a section on the tutorail that have hex code examples. Then we dont need an image at all. 18:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Point, Guardian. Let's use Moonleaf's and my situation as an example. I figured that I could (when reuploading the image) add in the description section what the reupload was for, so when Moonleaf saw the image, she would check the image details and look at the proper version of the upload. If that makes any sense, nod your head XD Iceheart: for some people hex codes are really confusing, and I feel it'd be easier to just have one image that people can save and then colour-pick. 21:16 Sat Oct 22

I think we should just fix the pelt-to-earpink chart. For example, there is RED on the chart. There is not such thing as a pure-blood-red cat. I've used the earpink off of there and sometime it is incorrect. What say we just tweak that instead, for every pelt color ever used? And maybe the color of that pelt type as well (such as tawny or bracken for those of us who hardly know what those colors are). That way, a person could just color-pick off that :3  04:49, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Firestar- Thick coat?
Okay, so, on Firestar's page he is described as having a thick coat, so would that mean he is longhaired? Thick can mean...thick...but I think he should have a longhaired coat, for a better description of thick, unless he was ever mentioned as short haired or thin furred. Comments? . 18:47, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It was be already discussed, I think the others says no Leaf-storm,18:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Firestar stays shorthaired. He says in one of the books (Fire and Ice, I think), that he envies Graystripe's long fur coat, or something like that. 20:13, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

You can short hair and it be thick, correct? Same way for cats. His fur is thick, but in a short length. Just an explanation. 20:14, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * The word "thick" makes no refrence or implication about length, that is correct. It only implies things about the density of his fur. 20:17, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, even Kitsu's in on this one. We've discussed this before, and we've come to the same conclusion each time. It stays how it is. 20:20, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Just wodnering. and honestly, it's not like i would know if you've discussused it before. =\ . 05:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Torties and Calicos
Should torties and calicos with orange/ginger patches have stripes on those patches? As we've discussed, all ginger cats are tabbies, even those that are only partially ginger. 19:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think they can, but they dont need to be redone to have stripes, just tweaked. 19:24, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's the artist's choice, really, to either add in stripes or not. Cause Ive seen some pictures on calicos with orange with no stripes (or maybe sometimes the stripes are just not noticable) 19:35, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

That cat had stripes. Look at its head. 19:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think we shouldn't bother tweaking them. I've seen plenty of torties without a tabby stripes, and they have ginger in them. And Shelly, all cats have that tabby M on the head, it doesn't neccesarily mean it's a tabby. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think we don't need to add stripes. In Hawaii, there was a calico, and there were no stripes. 23:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

If we're going to get techincal, then yes, but only facial markings. The general portion of their body doesn't have them and they are so faint, it seems a tad tedious. However, a torbie cat is a tabby/tortie or calico and should get stripes, but only if they were described as such. 02:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So no redoing/tweaking is needed, correct? 19:45, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak Nomination Page
It seems that that page isn't being updated as we go very much. Shall I go through and take out the files that have already been tweaked/redone? And it should be made a rule that artists need to take that cat off the list when they finish them. Not that I'm not guilty of forgetting, either. Anyway, I'm completely willing to sort it out if anyone wants. ^^ 19:41, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I go through every now and then and clear it out, but if you want to as well, please feel free to do so. =) 20:14, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I go through it too every once and a while, but yeah, you're welcome to do it too. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Approving before 24 hours
I haev a question, I've seen a couple tweaks approved without going through 24 hours without comment, or even 24 hours past the last reupload, and yet they were approved? Now I have no problem with those ones being approved, as they looked good to me, but is that really allowed? I thought all chararts had to wait through the 24 hours? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not always. If it's a minor tweak, like adding a collar or a nicked ear, then why in the world should the image need to go through 24 hours? Also, I do it so stupid people don't ruin an already amazing image. 23:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes if the image is redone it best just to leave it for the 24 hours, but if it minor it fine to just archive it. 23:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. :) But I've seen one, maybe two that've been redone and approved within a couple minutes after the reupload. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  23:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no rule against it, but its generally not done. 23:51, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Squirrelflight Chararts
Should Squirrelflight's chararts be redone? Like, should they make the tail more squirrel-like? Hmmm...? 00:23, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they need to be redone. She justs really has a really bushy tail, in my opinion. xD

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  01:35, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, it's fine. They said she has a bushy tail, which reminds them of a squirrel. So basically, her tail is fluffy. 02:07, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, but even if we were to give her a busy tail that wouldn't necessitate a redo in the first place. Any busy tail could look like a squirrel's and most do in all actuality. 04:51, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think it would be cute if we tweaked her tail to be like that, but it's fine I guess. 19:45, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-rejoin? xD
I was removed from the project due to inactivity. Well, I'm going to try to be more active now, so, can I rejoin? :) Ghost  tail  BOO! :D  13:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sure I'll add you back. 19:29, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Ghost  tail  BOO! :D  20:11, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

More Than One Tweak
For all the warriors and up who have more than one tweak going on, you dont put it in the tweaking table. It goes in the normal table with the words -Tweak/-Redone after it. Look at how BlueOrca did it. Hes got it. I fixed it, but for future refernce... 19:29, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

-headdesk- Good God, there's so many new rules... I feel like a noob in my own project ;_; Sorry about that, Iceheart! 19:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I just fixed everyones, but then i edit conflicted with Rainlegs and lost it all. Y'all have to fix it yourselves. 19:37, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ooops... my bad. :P 19:38, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wait... what? I don't get it. 19:47, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

woah, I actually did something right this time? Awesomeee~you heard her people, go and change your reservations like mine! 8P - 19:54, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Basically one reservation in one table Ivy. 19:55, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

This got me so confused and that's why I did Firestar becaus it confused me that the tweak table said two and the regular table said one. 21:10, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's basically for those who don't have a main project. After all, we have quite a few images that need to get done. Two for each warrior/lead is ample enough. 21:14, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I did it right! *pouts* XD I personally think the tweak table should be tweaked to have two columns for tweak images, but that's just me. That's how it was RIGHT after we decided to make tweaking a permanent thing, and I liked it that way. I guess it'd be a bit harder to check if people are breaking the rules and having 3 images reserved at the saem time, but still, it'd make it less confusing. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:37, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait
Wait for the new apprentice blanks, does it count as a tweak or a regular charart? 19:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak. Simple as that. 19:58, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So they actaully aren't going to be redone? (as in apprentices can't do them xD)

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  00:34, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if they'll be tweaks or if they'll be redone or if they'll qualify as a regular charart, but the blank is radically different from the old apprentice blank, so you can't just layer the new lineart over. 00:38 Mon Oct 24

Yeah, I thought we agreed it'd be a whole new project that EVERYBODY gets to do? I think that is only fair. 00:44, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being a part of that discussion, Ivy. Unless it was decided when I wasn't around. I guess it doesn't matter, does it? Tweak, whole new approval. Eh. Whatever. 00:46, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, TWO edit conflicts. XD Wait, you've seen it Wildy? Is it up now? Did I miss something? O.O *looks around anxiously* And I would think they would go on the approval page. That's what happened with the Prey hunter blanks, and those were just tweaked, not redone. And I remember that being said too Cloudy, you probably weren't here. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  00:48, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I hate edit conflicts XD I've seen it just 'cause Iceheart keeps on sending it to me with comments like "What should I change before I put it up for approval??" :P It's not up. 01:17 Mon Oct 24

So does anyone know the real answer? xD

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  19:10, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Dates for Tweaks?
Could we change the tweak nomination page to have like a place where you can say when the image was added to the list or something? Cause we agreed that images should be on the list for at least a week so leads could check through and remove the ones that shouldn't actually be tweak/redone, but right now, it'd be so hard to tell when it was put on, the rule's not really able to be enforced. I think we should either get rid of the rule all together or add the dates when we added the images. And for the ones already on right now, a lead could look through them, remove the unneeded ones, then we could just add the date as a week ago. What do you guys think? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:42, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

New Rule
I want to put this rule in place as soon as possible, so if you have any suggestions make them quick. This rule states that any users caught violating a guideline pertaining to this project will be given a strike. Users with three strikes will be demoted one rank temporarily. Users with 7 strikes will be demoted permanently. Users with ten strikes will be removed from the project. This rule applies to all users, including leads. Getting an image declined does not count. Comments? 01:06, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:07, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I support this. 01:08, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Can you at least talk to the other leads about this before making such a decision, or, do the senior warriors not count as leads anymore? It's not fair, and you know it. You'll find any way you can to demote Icey. That's what this is about. You hear me, I am against this. 01:09, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

You already know you have my full support. And Cloudy we were talking about it on IRC 01:11, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

And why didn't you ask the rest of the leads? 01:12, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I dont wanna demote Icey. Shes a good SW. I just want the rules followed. I left it open to discussion, what would you change so you would support it? 01:13, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this. How long does the temporary demotation last? Cloudy, it's not just about Icestorm. It's about following the rules, and if you can follow the rules, it'll be fine. I know everybody has their slips from time to time, but if you forget to follow the rules once or twice it's not like you're being kicked out of the project permanently! I don't see what the big deal is. 01:14 Mon Oct 24

Honestly I do agree with Cloudy that I think you should discuss things like this with ALL of the leads, and I think this may be about Icestorm too, however, I do think this rule is needed. So I guess I support, though I'm kinda on the fence about it. (NO MORE EDIT CONFLICTS PLEASE XD) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:16, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Take it to the forums not here. I have already copied and pasted the conversation. There's no need to get the rest of the project worked up. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:17, October 24, 2011 (UTC)