Warriors Wiki talk:Charart/Archive 1

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Planning? (From Main Page Discussion)
Sorry. Wasn't sure where else to put this. I just know from experience that organization is important. So, what I'm trying to say is, we need to know what we're working on right now and what we'll be working on soon. The only other Fanwiki (for lack of a better term), that I've been to, the Bulbapedia for Pokemon, has several "projects" like "Project Anime" where they work specifically on getting high-depth information on all the Anime (TV) episodes. And each of the projects had their own tag, like a stub or formatting tag. I know that we don't have the vast amount of information to work with that Pokemon does, but I can at least think of a couple projects, for say, characters, places, and the books. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems, at this point, that we're going at this haphazardly. So like I said, we probably need to figure out what we want to focus on and what we'll be adding in the immedeate future. Or maybe I'm just babbling. I do that, sometimes. Gorsecloud 16:27 December 10 2006 (CST)


 * I'm definitely planning to turn the community portal into a project planning center. *Grin* And your brain seems to have borrowed some of my cells. As the Projects I'm thinking of are pretty much what you're outlining. I just haven't gotten around to it quiet yet because I've been trying to get infrastructure for the Wiki into place. (You would not BELIEVE how terrible this place was when I first discovered it... 6 pages total created, the creator only having been here for founding day... and a banner that a drunken monkey could have created with access to photoshop... It was in sorry condition)
 * As far as babble goes... Honestly... Sometimes just spouting ideas at random acctually... well... works. While you babble... I've been cruising other Wiki's for ideas. But you're definetly right... We're working in what I'd say is a rather... Higgdy-pigglgy fashion. Kitsufox 23:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I know I'd like to get pictures of the characters up. Because images make the site less boring. Not saying that Warriors Wiki is, but adding images appeals to the visual learners who are watching here. My question is, where would I find such pictures? Should I use cover art, or get real "representations" of the cats? The latter will have to be done for characters like Whitestorm, that have no picture on the cover art. Gorsecloud 17:46, 10 December 2006 (CST)


 * For the character images... I really want to put out feelers for an artist to come up with some blanks exclusively for use on Warriors Wiki. We cant use real image representations for the cats, because I want to aim for consistency... and as some of the cats are rather... sur-realistic in thier colorations we simply wouldn't be able to find accurate representations. Cover art is a problem because we simply don't have cove art on all cats. I'm thinking something along the lines of the pixels/adoptables that are so popular would be perfect. I've got the digital art skills for the coloring, but not for the making of the blank. But I bet we could either get permission for a nice existing set on Warriors Wish (there are some great ones) and I could just ask permission to color in the ones that aren't made for that set yet... or we could see if an artist was willing to let thier skills to make a set for us (3 blanks would be needed. Kit aged (for chars that don't get older than that, or that their aren't books yet in which they are older) Apprentice aged (same reasoning as kit) and adult). Ideally their would also be short haired and long haired versions for the lineart, too...
 * Kitsufox 00:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC) (Who doesn't ask much at all *eyerollatself*)


 * Hmmmm... A while ago I made an adoptable set. The problem is that Photoshop believes it is necassary to put color blending in *eyeroll*, but with something like paint, I think it would work. And what about the places? We could use images from the maps for those. I understand what you mean by the consistency thing though... However, I would like to add the amazing things one can do with Photoshop, or even Photoshop Elements if one knows thier way around it well. *coughs pointedly* To put it simply, I'd like to lead the charge when it comes to images.
 * Gorsecloud 21:36, 10 December 2006 (CST)


 * Weird. I acctually really like Photoshop and it's color blending technology. The "Adoptables" we'd be making wouldn't be adoptables, really... They're above and beyond that, as they would be intended as representations of the characters that are as accurate as possible. Feel free to take the image helm. Just communicate with me *wink* I'm an experienced (and professionally trained, go go college graphics courses!) photoshop addict as I'd love to help. Kitsufox 14:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the blending technology is nice, but for what would normally be an adoptable set, it wouldn't work. I'll see what I can do, though. It'll be tricky, because it's hard to make adoptables look professional. Gorsecloud 21:16, 11 December 2006 (CST)


 * Blend-tech is the big trick to getting adoptables to look professional. But the starting place is really with the blanks for coloring. Once we've got outlines, It's just a matter of spending a few hours per character coloring a nice, prettyful version up for that character. Kitsufox 05:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Crud, we're working up a lot of indents here! Well, I had the idea that we might advertise for someone to create the adoptable, because honestly, I don't think mine's professional-looking enough. I'd be happy to color them in, though. Gorsecloud 22:10, 13 December 2006 (CST)


 * I feel the same way about my own work ;) I'll help you color, though. I find it relaxing to work on projects like that. There are some spectacular artists out there. I'm sure we fan find someone good. Kitsufox 22:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Updates
Okay, Gorsecloud here. I'm currently advertising on the Warriors Wish Forums for adoptable sets, and I haven't gotten many submissions yet. One from Ghoststar, another from Raspingstar, and a fairly good warriors set from Sandstar of StarClan's Secrets. I'll let you know when we have a complete set. Also, if you need to talk to me directly, go to my Talk page, okay? I'll be setting up a section just for that. Gorsecloud 19:36, 15 December 2006 (CST)


 * Asking for pixels is taking a while. Not a lot of people are contributing anything. If you go on the forums, ask around. There are way too many adoptable sets being submitted to Blizz for us to be getting so few. Gorsecloud 22:23, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Deviant Art Plea
I've made a Plea to the folks over at Deviant Art about the project.

Deviant Art Plea.

Kitsufox 21:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Cover Pictures?
I'm not sure if these images are copyrighted or not, but it seems to me that if images of characters appear on the cover of the novels, it would be a good idea to use those rather than to make an image of them. For example, the image in the "frame" on Sunset is clearly of Hawkfrost. Would it be better to use this image than a fan-created one? It seems like it to me, but I'm not sure. Opinions would be appreciated. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I've been AWOL so much latly. RL's been harsh for me of late and hogging up all my time. I think that the images from the covers are a poor choice. Not only are the individuals in those images somewhat debatable, but it would harm consistency of the images (one of the goals of creating images).
 * I have put them into use on other pages, but not as character images. 97.86.37.127 12:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It might not be the best for consistency, I agree, but if the character is clearly identifiable, than I think that the cover images should be used, simply because they are the best available image. If the image is of higher quality, which most of the cover ones are, then I think they would be better suited to appear. Of course, a Charart image could appear in the "Template:Charcat," and the normal image could appear somewhere in the article as another picture. I think that would work. It is consistent, and adds interest to the characters fortunate enough to have their image displayed by increasing the amount of "depictions" of them shown. What do people think about this suggestion? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 15:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's one other issue, and that's copyright. I did, at one point, start cutting portraits out of the cover images, and then realized that I do need to investigate, and figure out if a hacked out piece of a cover is still covered under fair use laws. We can use the covers under fair use. But I'm not 100% sure if we have any right to edited pieces of the cover images. (I think it might fall under derviutive work, and still be covered under fair use.. but I'm not sure...) But prehaps as an addition to the project images, and not in the main table might work. I just have to poke come copyright laws and make sure it's acceptable ;) Don' want us busted iinto oblivion over a copyright issue. Kitsufox 13:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't think of that. If it is legal, though, which I think it probably is, I think it might be a good idea. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 07:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm pretty sure that parts of covers are legal under the GFDL, or something. At least they are for Star Wars. Although I'm not sure about Warriors, you might want to ask Angela about it, Kitsu. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 02:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that GFDL applied only to the cover, in it's entirety, AS the bookcover, and didn't open it up for editing. **runs to check** References: Fair Use, Template:Book Cover. I'm not entirely sure how to interpret appropriate use. I have used at least one center panel from a book on a page, though. It just doesn't seem appropriate to use them on character pages, when we have a project (albeit a slow-moving one) that's going to be putting original artwork owned by WWiki into play (See: Project Characters) Kitsufox ( Fox's Den ) 13:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Go take a look at Wookieepedia or the BS01 Wiki (link on my user page). They have tons of images - and they would more than likely be considered "copyrighted." But they use them regardless. Why? Because we don't actually have to worry about these things. Wikipedia's admins may be crazed, and often stupid, about these copyright laws, but it is my opinion that we needn't worry about them. These images are available all over the 'Net, and no place is harrased for their usage of images. And though I do not condone the usage of unofficial artwork on what should be I see should be an official content Wiki, it does make perfect sense here for the characters not featured in cover art (Or are on the official website. There's a good couple of pictures there.) - we need illustrations for them. But for the characters we do have images for... Those images should be used, as opposed to these. -- ~ | ET | ~ ( Talk/Contribs ) 21:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I will not violate intellectual copyright laws just becuase other people do it. Enforcing intellectual property rights will /never/ be considered stupid, in my book. Just becuase other Wikis do it and haven't been sent cease and desist orders does not mean it's okay to flout those laws. I firmly believe in creating our own images, and using those that belong to warriors wiki in preference to outright theft. and with the general problem of the book cover cats both frequently being incorrect depictions of the various cats, and the long discussions that rarely come to any sort of consensus about who some of the cover-cats are, why use them at all? It's not like the Erins even see the covers before the books get published or anything like that. Kate is always shocked in her Warriors News when she sees a cover for the first time. I'd rather use fan-content that we KNOW is correct than book-cover peices that might have been intended as that cat. Kitsufox ( Fox's Den ) 23:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's your choice... And I guess I'll just have to live with that.  But.  What about the character images on the website? -- ~ | ET | ~  ( Talk/Contribs ) 01:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're asking. Do you mean the un-colored ones that were donated to Warriors Wiki for our use? Those have been given to WWiki for our use by the creator. Otherwise reference one of those images. If you're meaning the ones on the warriorcats website, we can't use them without a letter of permission from the webmaster of the site. Kitsufox ( Fox's Den ) 01:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I meant to say "official website." That was a mistake on my part.  And very well.  Meh, at least there'll be images. -- ~ | ET | ~  ( Talk/Contribs ) 10:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)