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Kittypets collars
Recently myself and another user have posted young kit stage kittypets with collars on. We were both told to remove them because in the books both kits aren't stated with collars but there are adult kittypets with collars that were never stated to have collars. I'm not angry just confused as to why adults get collars but not kits even if the adults aren't mentioned with them.

20:23, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Kits aren't adult cats. Not all kits wear collars, and since they weren't mentioned with them at all, it would be an assumption to have them added. The word "collar" isn't even mentioned in Ravenpaw's Farewell at all.

I know I'm not in PCA, but isn't it an assumption to say that all non-kit kittypets have collars? 22:53 Wed Feb 3

I agree with Mapleclaw. If it's an assumption for kits I think it's also an assumption for older cats. 1:35 Thu Feb 4

I'm...honestly having to agree with princess and maple. THere are a lot of adult kittypets without collars. My cat is an example. Plus I've seen a lot of cats around my neighborhood without them on, and I know they're outdoor kittypets. The only one ive seen with a collar on, is my next door neighbors cat. So i mean if they arent specified with a collar, they shouldnt get one 01:59, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm just going to point out that if this is the standard for PCA (kits not having collars if not otherwise specified) then there are some images that go against this, where I know they weren't said to have a collar as a kit because they didn't even appear as one, such as Stormcloud and Millie. Should their collars be removed? 02:54, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

I just want to know when this was started with the only getting a collar if they are said with one because as stated above there are images with collars that shouldn't get them. Also I don't see how adult cats are different to young cats? 15:36, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

I only just noticed we were adding collars onto images that were not rightfully mentioned with them. It's very much an assumption to add them, simple as that. If they're not specifically mentioned with them (such as Riley, Bella, ect), then they should be removed. But once that are mentioned with them (Harverymoon, Ebonyclaw, Magyver, Firestar as a kittypet) should obvious keep those. Why should the ones that aren't specifically mentioned with collars get them? Because they're kittypets?

On the topic of kittypets, I really think those blanks should be tweaked/redone... Don't know how to go about suggesting that though. 02:57, 02/12/2016

Prisoner Blanks
Now, that person who randomly made the blanks may have been incorrect to do so but their point is pretty valid.. A lot of cats have been prisoners in camp at some point, don't you think they should get blanks too? 01:49, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

Prisoner is not a valid rank, and there's literally no reason to have these. They are unnecessary, as is the reason behind all dark forest trainees. 02:02, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

That'd be like giving different blanks for queens outside the clans; the cat that is a prisoner is still a kit/apprntice/warrior/whatever, just like a queen is a queen. 02:06, 02/9/2016

It's not an official rank. I don't actually see how their rank would have changed anyways. Their names didn't change, and their ranks were still whatever they were before they were "held prisoner".

The Tribe of Endless Hunting
I think these guys should get images. There's quite a few of them, and I don't think they even need their own blank--like kit-mothers and queens, I think they are similar enough to StarClan cats get the same blank. I apologize if this has been brought up before, I am not aware of this being discussed, but I'm still pretty new to PCA, and for all I know it could have been. 2:31 Tue Feb 9

I think we have something that says the ToEH keeps their ranks after the cats die... StarClan does not, and they are all treated equally...save for a certain few who claim to speak for StarClan. Regardless, I don't think we know anywhere near enough to properly give them a blank.

Well they have their own rank so that should be enough to give them a blank or something. However this is just my opinion and I'm tired so take it with a grain of salt. 13:25, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

I've always thought they should get their own blanks, too. Jaysnow (talk) 16:17, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with this.— Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:32, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we can discuss here what exactly their blank would be? Jaysnow (talk) 16:33, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

may I suggest something similar to or  both are really good in my opinion.— Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:37, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Ooh. Are these your images? If so, I like the second one, but I'll wait until we get an official vote. Jaysnow (talk) 16:39, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

No their on Flame's wiki but Beau made these and I agree their beautiful.— Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:43, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

This is meant to discuss the possibility of whether or not we are making blanks, not what they should or shouldn't look like. Those images belong to Diablo, and we are not using them, as they are for another wiki entirely.

Before we start talking the stylistic aspect of the blanks, we need a consensus that the Tribe actually needs them. This has been brought up numerous times throughout the years. That being said, the Dark Forest/StarClan blanks were brought up as well, and were declined in the past. The ToEH is kind of a lesser-known group, and not nearly as renown as StarClan. I'm going neutral on this one. If the project agrees that the ToEH is necessarily their own rank, then sure. 16:50 Wed Feb 10

This has been brought up multiple times before, by me and a couple other users, and it has been declined every time. Vicky said that they still keep their ranks in the ToEH, so therefore no new blanks should be made. Sure it is a rank, but they keep their ranks from when they were alive, so no. 16:52, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

They keep their ranks after death, as said above, so they're unnecessary. Before we get new blanks at all I think the kittypets should be redone, but thats a discussion for another time. 17:01, 02/10/2016

Don't StarClan cats keep their rank? Yes they may have joined StarClan but they are still a warrior,leader,kit etc. 18:50, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Erm...it's much different in StarClan. Yes, they still have their names. Yes they're still warriors, leaders, kits, etc. BUT! They don't behave as such. The leaders don't have authority over the other StarClan cats. Kits have just as much say as an elder, in StarClan. They really don't have ranks there, other than the blanks telling us they're their own cat. 19:09, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

They don't have power of each other in the tribe of endless hunting do they? If they don't then why shouldn't they get blanks! 19:44, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

But we don't know if they do or not in TTOEH. It'd be an assumption to say that they behave just like StarClan and give the a blank. If you can find a cite saying that they don't keep their ranks after death and are the same as StarClan, or at the very least are completely different than the tribe, then sure. But for now, we haven't got a cite for it, and therefore they shouldn't get a blank. We just don't know much about them.  12:18 Thu Feb 11 

idk they still have 'tribe of endless hunting' as their rank, and it's not like they behave much like StarClan. Other blanks don't, do they? They have been described as members of the Tribe of Endless Hunting, but then again, I'm still neutral. 12:33, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

I just wanna say the PC has "Tribe of Endless Hunting Resident" as a rank. If we're going to follow what PC does, we should treat Tribe of Endless Hunting Resident as one. 1:04 Fri Feb 12

theyres said to keep a rank, so, they shouldnt. its not right to say theyre this when its been said otherwise,and thatsjust ackowledging theyre there, not that its its own rank (whichhas been suggested by an author it isnt), so saying theyee like starclan and have no rank is wrong. 01:07, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

It's been said by one of the Erins that it's not a rank? In that case, this should be a definite no... Despite the other reasons that completely explain why we don't need them. 02:27, 02/12/2016

Rejoin
I joined this before but had to leave because my laptop broke, and I haven't had time to rejoin yet so... could I now?

~x XP at ch Fe at he rX x~  17:17, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Join
Can I join the project, please? 20:33, February 12, 2016 (UTC)