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Some Characters Descriptions
I was just reading Tigerclaw's Fury when I noticed Runningwind, Thornclaw and Mousefur are called light brown. That seems fine, it's just a partial right? So why doesn't it count for Mousefur and Thornclaw? There is such a thing as light dusky brown and light golden-brown.

I stumbled over Brackenfur's page while looking, and the trivia is just as confusing. I understand the gingers but brown and golden? That could be just a partial. There is also the same situation for light brown too.

I think the light brown counts for Mousefur, Thornclaw and Brackenfur, it's just a partial, and I think Brackenfur's trivia needs to be cleaned up. Unless his specific called pure gold or pure brown, than that's not necessary. I'll track down the references later and double check. I just wanted to check with everyone if this is alright. -- 07:38, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Um... I think this is a PCA discussion? ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:40, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm talking about their written description and trivias, nothing about their pictures. That comes later. -- 07:45, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I think light brown counts as an alternate for Brackenfur, tbh. ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:48, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Why? Just trying to understand is all. Brown is part of his description and we usually count it as a partial. It's like adding to Lionblaze's trivia that he is mistakenly called golden, when it is part of his description. -- 07:56, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

But light brown isn't golden brown. Dusky brown is very different to light brown. =/ ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:58, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Light brown isn't golden brown. ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 07:58, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Light brown and golden brown aren't the same, and I looked up dusky brown and you'd basically be saying 'light dark brown'.

I see about the dusky brown part. I just looked it up.-- 08:06, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know much about pelt color, so I'm gonna leave that for you guys, but just to clarify, this would come to PC, PCA only handles the art, we handle the descriptions. 20:54, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

-- 00:38, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Magpie and Mist
Hi, been awhile. I've noticed that they are listed as kittypets because they were taken by Twolegs. Tell me, how does that make them kittypets? Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Leafpool were taken by Twolegs, but they obviously were never kittypets. They were locked in cages. All we know is that Mitzi and Mist were taken and now live on another farm, which is hardly evidence. After all, Barley and Ravenpaw live on a farm, but again, not kittypets. 20:43 Mon Feb 2 2015

It's Magpie, not Mitzi. =P I asked Beebs before I added it, since she thought it was clear enough. If anything, it was because they were taken by the Twolegs??? idk, I saw a cite and went with it? I could have made a mistake and misinterpreted the cite when I brought it to her? Given that it says they were taken by Twolegs, I kinda went with the fact that they were actually taken to live elsewhere- Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Leafpool weren't actually taken to live anywhere.

Mitzi is the mom whoops. But still, its an assumption to say that they were then made kittypets, as we have no proof that they are cared for by Twolegs, or consider themselves kittypets. 20:57 Mon Feb 2 2015

It only says they were taken away by Twolegs and possibly living on another farm, that would more or so make them loners rather than kittypets. -- 22:02, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

We don't have proof that the two legs kept them as kittypets. Anything could've happened to them then when the two legs took them away. ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 00:20, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

 13:02, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Unless they're called kittypets explicitly. Don't give them the rank. 02:28, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Agreeing with Duck.-- 00:38, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest
This discussion is being moved here since we are discussing about whether the Dark Forest is an organized group or a bunch or rogues on PCA. I found a cite that might help.-- 21:12, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

imo they're just a bunch of rogues like BloodClan, since we're going to use Spottedleaf as a valid source of information now 19:09, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Beebs here, they were never really "organized," sure they had a leader, but they actually didn't. If memory serves, they had kinda senior members (ie Tigerstar, Brokenstar, Thistleclaw, Mapleshade, etc) and then the "lower" members (ie Antpelt, Snowtuft, etc), and then trainees (ie Ivypool, Blossomfall, Birchfall, Mousewhisker, Breezepelt, etc). They were never really a "Clan" per say, just different seniority levels of a community. 02:40, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I have an idea. Let's try to see it at a different angle. <>

We are trying to compare them and decide if they are a Clan or a bunch of rogues, but if you think about it, they are neither. They are the opposite of StarClan, so not a Clan, but aren't just a bunch of rogues because their dead. I think we need to see them as something different, not a clan, not a bunch of rogues, but something different. Cause that's what they are. -- 05:07, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

But they are rogues based on our current definition of rogues; " hostile, usually aggressive [...] cats who do not belong to a Clan [...]." And they also follow the "general" rule through most of the series for rogues; "cats who have chosen to live by themselves [...] and scorn the Clan cats for their beliefs." They technically are rogues, but most definitely aren't a Clan, which is defined as "a highly structured society that is firmly divided," in the Warriors universe. They are not highly structured,and aren't firmly divided, either, they are simple roaming an afterlife with a frailly structured society, if you can even call it that, remember until Omen of the Stars none of the cats even met each other, they all roamed alone. I think that the Dark Forest cats should simply stay as rogues, because that's exactly what they are. 14:39, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Crookedstar's Promise shows otherwise, as Mapleshade brings Crookedstar to Silverhawk (or Shredtail?) who is training Thistleclaw, so theirs an inconsistency. Same with Power of Three, Hawkfrost is always with Tigerstar. Can everyone please read this. I worked hard on it. -- 21:45, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, using Leafstar as an example, she was actually a rogue in Firestar's quest, but still got a Kittypet and loner rank for being called one. The DF Warriors were called DF Warriors God knows how many times, imo they really should get the rank. Spottedleaf's one opinion on them really doesn't outweigh all the times they were called DF cats by the narration and the other StarClan cats likewise. If a rank was based on how they act, then basically the Sun drown place cats should all get loner ranks, and Willowbreeze should get a kittypet rank. 01:59, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

The cite you showed really says that they're rogues so. although they have been called warriors numerous times, word of god says otherwise 02:03 Mon Feb 16

But also, remember a being a "Clan cat" isn't just about ranks. A Clan was a group of cats who followed the warrior code, which is another reason they weren't a clan, imho. 04:37, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

This is just tiring... maybe we can have a vote on this? please? -- 04:41, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Wait a few more days, everybody needs to have an equal chance of discussing this before a CBV period or vote is considered. 04:43, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

StarClan cats - even those who weren't warriors - are called 'StarClan warriors' sometimes, so if we went with Burnt's logic, then they'd all get warrior images, no? 04:44, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't my logic, though. The warrior blanks are for clan warriors. The DF warriors aren't Clan cats, they are Dark forest cats. 04:49, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I guess the question is: What is Dark Forest cats? I think they are not rogues, but not a Clan. Something new and different, like Tribe of Endless Hunting for example, but a group that's for sure. I don't think they're rogues, because their dead spirits like StarClan, but just plain evil.-- 05:20, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just going to make the leap and say they were a temporary alliance. So the question would more of be whether we honor temporary alliances as their own groups. From my perspective, I would say that we don't honor temporary alliances and, agreeing with Duck, the Dark Forest cats are essentially dead rogues. 20:45, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Agreeing with Duck as well. They're dead rogues, basically. They usually stay apart, like rogues, and certainly act like them....the only difference between them and, say, Willie's group from Ravenpaw's Path..is that the Dark Forest cats are dead. The only reason they even united is because Tigerstar was a jealous kitty who couldn't let dead things die.

I actually found something. Just a prompt, but Jayfeather thought but he's not a rogue or a loner. When he smelled Brokenstar so... 12:07, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Cats of the Park
Should we consider them loners or their own separate group like a Clan? They've been seen to be very structured, with a mentor system and rituals like that of a Tribe or Clan, but at the same time we also know little about them and they don't seem aggressive, like a group of loners. Thoughts? 21:09 Mon Feb 16 2015

Again, I'd rather wait until the end of Dawn of the Clans arc, but I think we could treat them like the Ancient Tribe and Ancients. They are, after all, an ancient group.-- 21:30, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Why would we need to wait? We do have information on them now, about as much as we did on The Ancients after Long Shadows. 22:00 Mon Feb 16 2015

I think they're an organized group of loners, kinda like BloodClan, except in loner form. They are a separate group, but they're still loners, at least in my eyes from what we have now. 02:10, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Well, given that they have a lot more of a structure than BloodClan, or even the Ancients, honestly.. they should be considered their own separate group. Hell, they even have the whole "mentor and apprentice" system- you can hardly say that for the Ancients, yet they get their own blanks, ranking, ect.

One reason I want to wait because the ranking system is similar to Clans (elders, mentors, apprentices, etc) River Ripple may base some Clan aspects on this group, and reveal more. So if we make a decision right now, I say I'm going with SnowedLightning.^-- 23:20, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I doubt they'd appear again, tbh. Their home is destroyed and all that. 04:11, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Longtail
I'm pretty sure everyone's getting tired of this, but the amazing and awesome Jayie has directed me towards some information that could be really useful. We all know the issue surrounding Longtail and his pelt color.. it's often argued whether or not it's silver or brown. Both pelt colors have cites for Rising Storm, with the silver cite coming about 50 pages prior to the brown cite. However, Kate, the author of Rising Storm, says this when asked about Longtail's pelt coloring:


 * I always imagine tabbies as brown; I suspect Cherith imagines them as silver; which is why we see "tabby" in the storyline, we each pick out "normal" tabby. So, according to me, he is brown.

Given that Kate also wrote the book where Longtail is introduced, Into the Wild, and she also wrote the book where both the brown and silver descriptions are, wouldn't Kate's word put the description for Longtail as brown, not silver? Technically, we have two strikes for brown, and one for silver, because we've used an author's word for descriptions before.

I think that since we have more cites for Longtail being brown than we do for him being silver, we should probably go with the brown. But that's just me. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:45, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I think the authors are divided on this. I think if the books specifically calls him 'brown' (not just a tabby) more than silver, than go for it.-- 21:28, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the actual books after the Original Arc still call him silver more often, though. 23:51, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

duck you're gonna need more cites for that, though 23:57, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, please bring some cites for that, Duck. Because I've only ever seen him called silver once, and that's in Rising Storm...

Just to say, but in the manga thingy behind Bluestar's prophecy, he was shown as pale. But if he was meant to be a brown tabby then I'd say just change his description. 04:32, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

They're graphic novels, and regardless, we can't tell what color he is, since it's grayscale. Those aren't used to back up/contradict a description, unless they're like Lionblaze or Lionheart, both of whom are cited tabbies and are shown without those stripes.

Stormcloud ~ Silver Nomination
I only just completed the history. Comments?-- 03:14, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

I caught one, but can you go through and make sure you've used American spelling throughout the article? That's actually one of the rules here, and I'm not sure some of the users are aware of that.

Thanks for fixing that. I have been writing "graphic novel" but I've been working on the old she-cat and the phrase "stand-alone manga" kept popping up. seriously, isn't that just false advertising? I'll check his history.-- 22:09, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Done.-- 00:55, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Much of the article is written using simple sentences making the style very abrupt. You might want to think about combining a few sentences throughout the article and varying sentence structure as well. 04:16, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Done.-- 23:30, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 06:07, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Coal (NP) ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 04:33, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

The first paragraph in particular focuses much more on Cody rather than Coal. Simultaneously, the multiple pronouns doesn't make the article quite an easy read. 04:20, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Rewritten. 05:41, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 06:07, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

The Old She-cat (ROS) ~ Silver Nomination
Quite proud of myself. Made this page myself and with a few tweaks of the page from other users, I think it's ready. Comments? -- 22:50, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

You might want to read some of the article out loud because the diction and syntax get a bit odd or repetitive.( for example, but not limited to : "he states it is delicious and asks what it is. The old she-cat states it is chicken..." and "Tiny tells he keeps hearing the word kittypet, and asks what it is. The old she-cat tells it’s what..." ) 17:05, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Done.-- 00:24, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 06:07, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Mistlekit (TPB) ~ silver nomination
okay 23:37, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

You can probably omit some unnecessary phrases while also breaking down a few, extremely long sentences. You might also want to check if she is later mentioned in the book as well as check the books before Fire and Ice and after it to ensure that she is not mentioned again. 17:10, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

I looked around for appearances in the early series, there is mentioned to be a male tabby that could or could not be Speckletail's, (didn't really say it was her kit), so for now, we only have Fire and Ice.-- 02:49, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

I found the extra mentions for Mistlekit, and got a cite for a bonus description. 22:58, March 5, 2015 (UTC)