Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Hi
Hi, I'm Cinderleaf and I was wondering if I can join this Character Project. Thanks! --Cinderleaf (talk) 04:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Please read the guidelines and the FAQ. Welcome! 16:19, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Reena (Ro) ~ Silver Nomination
I love her personality and her way with words. comments? Stealthfire star (talk) 02:34, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

See if you can flesh out her history a bit. 02:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what that means. Describe or expand of something? --Stealthfire star (talk) 02:46, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Just basically add more detail and expand it. 23:39, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Stealthfire star (talk) 05:26, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Remember to keep it it present tense! Some sentences are set in past tense. 19:05, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Checked and fixed. --Stealthfire star (talk) 05:53, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

CBV? 18:24, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

vote's up! 16:06, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Minty (KP) ~ Silver Nomination
I love Minty. Comments? Stealthfire star (talk) 01:00, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

cbv? 16:10, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Vote's up! 14:53, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Jake ~ Loner
Hi, I was just popping in to wonder if Jake should be considered as a loner as well, since he left his housefolk for some time. Burntclaw (talk) 07:06, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

I think he counts. He went away for a while and Tallstar is considered a loner once. --Stealthfire star (talk) 22:20, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

I was just wondering if he needs art for being a loner? Or was he a rouge? So can I add him as a loner? Burntclaw (talk) 00:06, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

I think he was still called a kittypet the entire time though, wasn't he? I brought this up a while ago, and I think the only one that could qualify for a rogue image is Talltail, since he did join them, (although for a small period of time before leaving again) and the entire group (Algernon, Bess, Reena, ect) are called rogues many times within the book.

Talltail was called a warrior the entire time too I believe, and he has a loner image. I think Jake also joined the rouges for a small time. He was with Talltail during his entire stay. To me it sounds like Talltail needs rouge added and Jake needs both Rouge and Loner added. --Stealthfire star (talk) 00:22, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Talltail was not a warrior the entire time. He left WindClan of his own accord to travel and find his place in the world- this was even approved by Heatherstar. Jake was still called a kittypet and he even said something along the lines of him always being a kittypet when Talltail asked him to join him in WindClan after he decided to return.

Then do you think Talltail needs a rouge image added? Burntclaw (talk) 00:28, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I see your point but than again, he also said Talltail will always be a warrior. I'm not sure how that fits. Yes, I think Talltail could be added as a rouge with an image. --Stealthfire star (talk) 02:12, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

if Tallstar left WindClan, he was not a warrior during that time. He was a loner. He did not officially become a member of the party of the rogues, so he would not need a rogue image. And why are w worrying so much about the images? Why? The history, the material is the most important. Not the pretty tabby cat images. 03:17, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Cross out the rogue part. He was called a rogue. I misread. 03:18, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

We never said that Chararts are more important than the material, we are both PCA members so we should be concerned if anyone might need a new image. Burntclaw (talk) 04:55, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but I already brought this up before (there are archives for a reason, please check them) and I think it was decided that Jake wouldn't get one, since he was constantly called a kittypet- I think he just went with Talltail so he wouldn't be alone, and all of that. It honestly seems like someone just beating an already dead animal for some extra food.

I'm just going to interject here that the best way to progress this conversation is to actually get out the page numbers and quotes specifically from the books. Also, I suggest separating whether the cats are rogues or loners. They're different titles (barely, but still) and we have different linearts for them. Our current definition of loner is "cats living on their own who do not belong in any Clan, are not looked after by Twolegs, and don't trouble the Clans" with the exception of the Original Arc. Decisions can always be rewritten too. On another note...guys, it's rogue not rouge. Rouge is red in french. Il n'est pas bon. 05:58, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I will gladly provide cites for this. Tallpaw calls the visiting cats (Algernon, Bess, Reena, Sparrow, Mole) rogues on page 141. The quote is as follows:
 * ''Tallpaw shrugged. "All I know is that they're rogues and they come every year to spend greenleaf with WindClan."

Pages 285-291 is Talltail's conversation with Heatherstar about leaving WindClan and traveling, and he is called a rogue by a black she-cat on page 317.
 * ''Talltail stopped a tail-length from the bush. "Before they do, can you tell me if you've seen any rogues around here recently?"
 * "Only you." The she-cat backed away.
 * ''Talltail gazed at her wearily. "I'm a Clan cat."'

So basically he's called a rogue by a kittypet, and says he's still a Clan cat, despite him leaving. Pages 321-324 have Talltail in a Twoleg den, being taken care of by Twolegs due to him eating a foul rat. Worth noting is that quote on page 324, towards the top of the page, that says:
 * Be brave! You left your Clan. You don't need anyone!

This clearly proves that Talltail has left WindClan, as supported by Heatherstar's approval and she never denied him the chance to go due to the sign from StarClan. I believe him also being cared for by the Twolegs also gains him the kittypet rank as well, since he was held against his will and told by Jake that he could not leave on the top of page 322. He constantly denies being a kittypet, but it's clear he's being held against his will, just like Graystripe, only for a shorter period of time.

Sparrow in particular, in case you needed another cite, is also called a rogue on page 334:
 * ''Talltail dug his claws into the blue pelt. "More important than you could imagine. I have to find a rogue." he meowed. "He killed my father."
 * Jake bristled. "Killed him?"
 * ''"My father, Sandgorse, was the best tunneler in WindClan. But Sparrow made Sandgorse take him into a tunnel that wasn't safe, and when it collapsed, he ran away."

The quote goes on a bit more with some narrative, but you get my point. On that same page and going on to the next, Jake says that he'll help get Talltail out of the Twoleg nest, but only if Talltail let's Jake go with him:
 * ''Jake thought for a moment. "I can tell you how to escape, but on one condition."
 * Talltail narrowed his eyes. "What"?
 * "You let me come with you."
 * "I thought you liked being a kittypet!" Talltail glanced down at the soft, red nest. "There's none of those out there." He flicked his tail towards the window.
 * ''"I know that." Take told him. "I don't want to join your Clan. But if you're on a mission, I want to help."

That goes on for a while as well, and Jake also says that he wants to explore beyond the fences and all of that fun stuff. They manage to escape on pages 337-338, and they meet Quince on page 339. Jake specifically tells Quince that he's going with Talltail. Soon enough, they meet (the lovely and awesome) Jay, and they finally meet the rogues they're looking for on page 378-379. They are, again called rogues at the top of page 379, and this happens multiple times throughout the book. On page 382, Talltail expresses an interest to join the cats (although we all know this is a lie to get to Sparrow):
 * ''"Everything's fine. But... when I watched you leave at the end of greenleaf, I realized that there was more to see than just WindClan territory." [Talltail] felt his fur smooth as he eased into his story. "I was hoping you'd yet me travel with you."

Algernon speaks and calls Jake a kittypet at the same time, which kinda proves he's still just a kittypet, but I think since he left his Twoleg nest, he could maybe get a loner rank since he even says he wants to explore and all of that. Talltail also says on page 383 that he wants to see what it's like to live free. On the bottom of 384 and part of 385 is an interesting conversation between Jake and Talltail as well:
 * ''"Come back with me." Jake pleaded. "You're not safe here."
 * ''"This is why I left my Clan." Talltail hooked out another wad of moss and dropped it onto the pile beside him.
 * "But you can go back to them, can't you?"
 * ''"I'm never going back." Talltail growled.
 * ''"Never?" Jake leaned closer. Talltail felt the kittypet's breath on his cheek. "But you're a warrior."
 * "You don't have to belong to a Clan to be a warrior." The words felt empty as Talltail spoke them. Was that true?

Jake says like a paragraph below that he's staying with Talltail if he refuses to leave, saying that it's their mission now. Throughout this whole ordeal, both Jake and Talltail hunt, sleep, and eat with these rogues, essentially staying with them. It keeps going on like this for a bit, and then the Talltail and Sparrow confrontation happens, where Sparrow is again called a rogue. As of page 419, Talltail doesn't know if he'll go back to WindClan, and another paragraph states that he was destined to travel alone. On page 420 (ahahaha blaze it) Sparrow calls the entire group rogues, saying that they won't be visiting WindClan because "rogues like us don't belong in Clans".

On page 421, Talltail says yet again that he has left WindClan. After that, then Talltail says to Jake that maybe they should travel more, but Jake eventually convinces him to go back to WindClan, saying that he'll always be Talltail's best friend and all the tearjerking stuff. So yeah, you asked for quotes and page numbers and I do think this suffices.

If Tallstar gets a kittypet for sticking with housefolk for a short amount of time then Jake should get a loner for leaving them. Whether or not that's how they identify is not important to their ranking which depends on their lifestyle. Jake lived as a loner and Tallstar lived as a kittypet - they get the corresponding rank. 7:42 Thu Nov 27 2014

I think I agree with Raelic. Tallstar lived the lifestyle of a kittypet, Jake lived the lifestyle of a loner. I think they also temporarily joined the rogues, so could be considered a rogue too. --Stealthfire star (talk) 07:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Anymore comments? ~ Burntclaw Yolo ♫ ♪ 00:26, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Benny ~ Silver Nomination
Such a sad story. Comments? --Stealthfire star (talk) 02:09, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

cbv? 16:11, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Vote's up! 14:54, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hello,
Can I join this project? I'm already in project books, but is it okay if I join this one as well? Warriorfan123 (talk )

Hi! Please read the guidelines and the FAQ. Welcome! 16:19, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Dew Nose ~ Silver Nomination
Cute name. Comments? 20:31, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for a Forest Divided to come out? B L  A ZE Fi  r E 00:34, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, since he appeared, though not names, in The Blazing Star we can go ahead with this. 01:11, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Well, in that case, I guess it deserves a silver nomination? It's a little short, but that's kind of all the info we have. B L A ZE F i   r E 01:52, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Content Drive
Hi everybody! I just wanted to ask if Princess could be added to content drive. Her article needs a lot of work. So, can she be added? Thanks,B L  A ZE Fi  r E 02:11, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Well, usually we wait until the content drive article(s) are finished and/ore looking really good before we change to a different content drive, those articles were voted on only a little bit over a month ago. We don't reall just add things until the other content drive is finished, and since it's not finished, we can't add her. Sorry! However, we will keep her in mind for the next content drive. 00:24, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Cedarstar nine lives
Can we add a nine lives section to the leader's info on Cedarstar's section? We don't know his lives but Yellowfang's Secret shows him losing at least a couple of lives. I would do it myself but I don't know the coding. --Stealthfire star (talk) 23:43, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if we would add that or not. We don't know what his nine lives were, who he got them from, ect. I think we'd only add them if we knew that information... I'm not sure.

Well, if you look at Leopardstar's nine lives info, it only shows that she lost a few lives, and Blackstar's nine lives info is a good example of what I mean. --Stealthfire star (talk) 01:59, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Perhaps someone hadn't gotten around to adding it to his page, then? I know Yellowfang's Secret isn't widely accepted around here, so that might have played a part in it.

I'd say go ahead and add it, we have proof of him losing lives. c: 02:32, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Stealthfire star (talk) 03:46, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Faded Cats Deaths
We already have a category for Faded Cats (which was a great idea!) On their pages, it is also listed as StarClan/Dark Forest, None. I just think since we have that listed, why not list how they died the second death? And will we put it in the Cause of Death right next to their first Cause of Death? --Stealthfire star (talk) 03:46, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

The CoD section is supposed to be how they actually died. They're already dead when they fade, so having another cause of death seems redundant. I think we had this discussion before, and ruled out that idea...not sure why, though. I think it would be confusing to have both there at the same time.

Hmm, you could be right, however, I feel as if it needs to be put somewhere. Maybe a new section or something. If you look at the description of the Faded Cats category, I could imagine people wanting an easy to find place where that information would be. --Stealthfire star (talk) 04:12, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I'm in between on this because it is a useful piece of info, but it might make the charcat look wrong with that much info in one area. However, we do list two mentors on some cat's pages, so I don't think the confusing stance is the best to argue against this. 23:24, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Well, in cases like Brokenstar, we were told to disregard the field guides and go with the information in the super editions instead. I can use the confusing stance, since both are confusing to begin with and I honestly think we should have specified which mentor was which anyways.... That's probably another discussion I'll bring up later, Duck. So perhaps we could edit the charart template to add another section? I want to see about expanding that template a couple pixels anyways to try and prevent the massive amount of breaks we keep getting with larger families. To my knowledge, it's locked to all but administrators (we had too many people trying to add fanfic stuff to it), so Atelda, Kitsu, or myself will need to do it, but I'm not gonna add anything without the full consent of the project.

Anymore comments? --Stealthfire star (talk) 21:43, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Hollykit and Larchkit.
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 * This was moved from the PCA's talkpage.* '

Okay, so me and Jayie were trying to make sense of something a user said on BlogClan; they had said that both Hollykit and Larchkit's descriptions were wrong. They were claiming that Larchkit was described as a tom; which we found no cite for.

Both me and Jayie browsed through Midnight, Moonrise, and Dawn searching for their descriptions; and we've found that Hollykit's description was most likely mistaken; as in the sentence right after it is describing Birchkit. (Who was the one mistaken to be called pale gray) the sentence stated:

''Hollykit's amber eyes grew huge. "/Every/ day?" ''

''"That's right" Whitepaw put in solemnly. "Every day." ''

''"/I/ want to go there," the little gray kit mewed. "Can we? Now?" ''

''"When you're bigger, Birchkit." Ferncloud promised. " ~ Midnight, page 84. ''

We've found cites for them both being female; so that part is fine. But this was most likely mistaken by whoever added that cite; and it being so close together, is understandable. Mainly, Hollykit will most likely need her brown tabby alt as a starclanner, and Birchkit would need a pale gray alt.

Agree/Disagree, but we just thought we'd share this with the project, and see what you all think about this. ~☯ BreezeHappy  Holidays 06:11, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Birchfall already has a pale gray alt, for the apprentice and kit. But yeah, we weren't able to find anything about Hollykit being gray, though I didn't get to check all of Midnight. Jayie Unwrittenwords~ 06:15, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Basically what I have is the following on this.
 * Hollykit is called a brown tabby she-cat with amber eyes on page 84 of Midnight.
 * Larchkit is called a brown tabby on that same page. We don't have her gender revealed until Dawn, whereas she's called a she-cat on page 40.
 * Birchkit is called a gray tom on page 84 of Midnight. His description is changed to the brown tabby thing we know today.

There's nothing that mentions Hollykit being called gray at all anywhere.

If she's never called gray then you can remove it. However, I can see how that cite could be confusing. 14:46, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I went and removed it, but I'm gonna keep the old files with the history and such, just because there always is that chance we've missed a citation, and the StarClan kit image can just be redone to match...and if we do find a cite for pale gray in the future, we can just move files and things of the like. aka don't tag this for deletion, because we might still need that (even though I reuploaded the brown tabby over the pale gray kit file) and resorting it after someone's reuploaded over it is a pain.

Cloudrunner ~ Silver Nomination
Credit to the person who did the history, I just edited it slightly. --Stealthfire star (talk) 23:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Could you try finding a better main quote for him? It don't think it suits him much unless you give me the context imo 23:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Is this better or do I need to cut the ending off? --Stealthfire star (talk) 00:11, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Firestar and Leafpool
on the main project page, their listed as silver grade, but their talk page lists them as gold grade. Can someone fix this please? --Stealthfire star (talk) 00:20, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Well, when we add characters to the gold grade we usually don't remove them from the silver grade. They are listed in the gold grade, too, so it's fine, but if you really want to remove them I don't see a problem with it. 04:21, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

it's fine - they don't need to be removed, because they had to be silver to be gold in the first place lmao 04:55, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hello
Hi, I am FireTail101. May I also join this project? Thanks! FireTail101 (talk) 19:40, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone please accept? FireTail101 (talk) 01:34, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

It's only been a couple days, calm down. Both PC leads, Ducksplash and Bbun, are currently busy and are not online as much as others. They are the only ones who can accept join requests and no one else in PC is allowed to do so. You don't need to be a member in order to comment on discussions or nominate articles.

Sorry, I currently have finals and tons of family stuff that's occupying most of my time and I probably won't get back to normal until after Christmas, and/or finals, which end at the beginning of next week, but please read the guidelines and the FAQ. Welcome! 23:29, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry, I was a bit impatient. FireTail101 (talk) 00:44, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Deputy-warrior
I was wondering if we know a cat has a position as a deputy, Deadfoot is an example, can we assume they have been a warrior? Just wondering.

Merry Christmas Everyone! Stealthfire star (talk) 10:45, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Merry late Christmas! To answer your question no, we can't because for all we know they could have never been a warrior. 00:26, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Alright. Hey by the way, I don't like to be impatient but when will the silver nominations and such move on again? I understand why it halted in the first place, with school ending and the christmas rush and everything. Will it go back to normal after the New Year? --Stealthfire star (talk) 01:06, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, they should be. Only Duck and Beebs are able to archive, CBV, ect. Also, just as a comment to your original question: Runningnose was a technical leader and deputy of ShadowClan in Tigerclaw's Fury, to the point he himself even said he played the role, but he was never once a warrior.

I would close them now but I'm currently on a tablet, and I find it difficult to do on a tablet. But they'll definitely be closed by, if not before Sunday. 01:17, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! --Stealthfire star (talk) 01:22, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Adderkit ~ Gold Nomination
I feel it's ready for gold. I am allowed to nominate for gold like this right? --Stealthfire star (talk) 05:04, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hareflight (TR)
On page 31 of Tallstar's Revenge, he is mentioned as pale brown, but the allegiances list him as light brown. Do I add the pale brown to trivia or list him as light-pale brown? Stealthfire star (talk) 06:01, December 28, 2014 (UTC)