Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

SkyClan Ancestors
Dunno if this goes here...but I was just wondering why there isn't a SkyClan ancestor category? They're seperate, I believe, and there's a category for StarClan cats and Tribe of Endless Hunting cats. Just wondering. 01:20, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, technically they're a faction of StarClan separated by space, are they not? SkyClan is still a Clan, they just live away from the other Clans. SkyClan's ancestors and StarClan reunited in Firestar's Quest and still mingle often. Leafstar got stalked by Spottedleaf just as much as Firestar did, if I remember SkyClan's Destiny correctly. 01:43, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

They're not called 'That Part of StarClan That Has SkyClan Cats', they're referred to as a different set of ancestors, despite the face that they reuinted in Firestar's Quest. StarClan and SkyClan's Ancestors are the same, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to have a category for them. 08:43 Tue Feb 5

What's going on with this?

I think a category would be good, they are still called SkyClan ancestors or something to that effect in SkyClan's Destiny, and they aren't called StarClan, it's the same thing as when we moved the Half Moon page. (Speaking of that I need to start a discussion on it) 22:32, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

So guys, what are we doing with this? 01:21, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of the category for them, if they aren't called StarClan. 04:46, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Well Vicky has specifically mentioned they're a part of StarClan, but split up. So how about a sub-category inside the StarClan category? But I do think they should be categorized separately.

Maplewhisker
Okay, so apparently this was discussed and I was being an idiot and archived it far too early for anything to really be said. It's the context of which the name Maplestar is used in Code of the Clans, and whether or not it should allow her page to be moved.
 * "SkyClan would be safe under Maplestar's leadership. And Robinwing would suggest that a new rule be introduced to the warrior code: that deputies replaced leaders when they lost their ninth life, as the cats most used to leadership and dealing with rival Clans."

It's talking like it happened in the future, or something close to that. I wouldn't normally say that she would get it....but it also mentions Robinwing suggesting a new part of the warrior code...so that's what throws me off. Since it wasn't really an entire discussion, I think it should be talked about. I moved the page, but felt uncomfortable and wrong in doing so, so I moved it back. What do you guys think?

I'd like some comments on this, please, if no one minds.

I think it should be moved back to Maplestar, the context sounds firm enough to have a cite for it, and with a cite the page would be moved anyway, so yeah. Sorry if I made absolutely no sense. x3  22:27, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

You made perfect sense to me, Duck. The context is firm, and it's got the support from part of the warrior code to back it up.

I agree, it should be moved. With a cite like that, there's evidence for it to be moved back to Maplestar. ^; Bb  un   legs  00:57, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Stranger
Would "the stranger", who appeared in pages 163-164 in The Sun Trail get a page? He has a description, gender, and rank named, and did affect the plot in a way (he was the one who informed of the traveling cats that there were rogues living on the other side of the Highstones, and even told them that was what the kittypets called them), but no name. I'd like to see what others think about this. Bb un   legs  21:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think he should have a page and charart, if soemone can think of a sutible page name for him... but it's up to everyone else, I think.☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I agree with Sorrel, he should get a page, a charart, the whole deal, and the project can brainstorm suitable page names for him. Truthfully I haven't gotten around to reading The Sun Trail but with what Beebs says I think I can trust my opinion...  23:18 Tuesday May 7 2013

Moving Sky (Leader)
I think this is pretty much the same case as Half Moon's name. Based on Cloudstar's Journey, the name of Clear Sky is used in place of Sky or Skystar. Since there isn't a spot on the timeline for Code of the Clans, and either way that one story takes place before Cloudstar's Journey, should his page be moved to Clear Sky? 20:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think we should wait until the other books are released to move the page. Vicky seemed to acknowledge the name "Sky", so perhaps there are plans to change the names in later books? Regardless, I think his page should stay how it is, if only for the fact that it's too early, imho, to make a call.

How is it too early though? That's like saying an apprentice shouldn't have their apprentice name on a page because they'll be a warrior soon. I don't see the point in waiting potentially three years before Clear Sky becomes Sky, so we might as well move him now, if we're going to do so. 16:58, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

That's not the same thing, though, Breezey. With Clear Sky, we don't know if he kept the name after settling down, or if he changed it. Changing his page name to Clear Sky would just be us assuming that he kept his name the entire time. But, at the same time, he is called Clear Sky by the members of SkyClan. Although we all know how inconsistent the series is. Regardless, I never said that we needed to wait like /three/ years before moving it. ._. Maybe just until another book is released or perhaps until Vicky or Kate say something to support or go against him being called Clear Sky.

Wasn't the name Sky used in Code of the Clans? That's why there's a cite next to his name. I'd say switch him to Clear Sky since that's his primary name, and list Sky along with it like Half Moon and the other original leaders. 16:11, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Clear Sky seems to be his name after death, so I'd say we go with that as his actual page name. He may have been called Sky for a time while he was alive, or that might have been a mistake, but he has been called Clear Sky by clan cats after death, so it seems to be what he stuck with in the end, and his most current name.

Yeah, I think that we should move it to Clear Sky. 20:56, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

I say let's go with it, and move him to Clear Sky! Bb un   legs  21:33, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Minor Characters
As in a previous discussion here, we had conflicting opinions about extremely minor characters like Dappletail's Kit (which is still on consideration for the chopping block). However, it seemed like a popular idea to merge these characters into one page. So there's two options to go with, either define the terms on what qualifies a minor character to receive a page, or figure out the format of the one minor characters page option. Please explain which option is more beneficial and why. 14:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a page for minor characters, mainly just to group them all together and be done with it, so we don't have all these tiny articles, and I believe we could redirect the searches to that page. But I am unsure as to how we would go about making it. Probably something like Wikipedia does for it's characters in books? I don't think we need any infoboxes, just a summary of the characters, which could be arranged by series and book. 17:20, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like a minor character page, because imho, characters like Dappletail's Kit, who have no effect on the plot and are just mentioned don't need a full page to themselves, it'd fit perfectly into a minor characters page. 17:21, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think only the minor characters who effected the plot in some way (such as Petal's mum) should get their own page. What good is it to have pages for characters who didn't even effect the plot in some way? I'd say we should define the terms on what qualifies on a minor character to get their own page, so that those who don't effect the plot get merged into a single page, while others who have recieve their own. Bb un   legs  18:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd think characters like Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father (and possibly even Shellheart's Grandfather) would still retain their own page, as they are, at least Sol's Father's case, part of the plot of at least one book. But characters like Dappletail's kit really don't need any form of a page whatsoever, as they are not vital to the plot whatsoever. Would this also apply to cats like Leaftail, who is an allegiances only character and only mentioned outside of it once?

I believe that cats like Leaftail should also get merged too. Despite appearing in the allegiances, they have contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and were probably only mentioned a few times in the series. Bb un   legs  19:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except allegiance-only characters demonstrate the population of a Clan/cat group as well as have a specific name. Plus, this page would turn out to be huge if we included all allegiance-only characters. I think confinements around what should be have a page and should not have a page is a specific name or if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way. 02:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Leaftail was mentioned outside of the allegiances, so I think that that's another reason to give him his own page. 02:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've been supporting the minor character page for a while. I do think characters who have clearly stated names should keep their articles, like the allegiance only ones, and I think we should make some sort of guidelines on what requires a page outside of that, and then leave the rest grouped together on the minor character page. It'd be great to have, especially with cats like say, those "unknown kits" who I always see in the family sections with no specifications of who they are or anything. We can simply link to their section on the minor character page if we make it, and all the info given about them will be there to see, and then there'll be no confusion over who they are, who their parents/siblings are, and so on. Those guys have always bugged me.

How about these guidelines:
 * Characters shall receive a page if:
 * they have a deliberate, given name
 * mentioned by name/listed in the allegiances
 * if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way

Also, how are we going to format this page? 16:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Those sound like good guidelines to me, Teldy! I'll say lets go with them! Bb un   legs  16:20, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those sound like awesome guidelines, as for the format, charcats honestly wouldn't work, they'd overlap on some of the extremely minor characters and it'd honestly be a mess. Possibly a new simple template or something? Also, would the cats be alphabetized or in order by book or what? 12:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with those guidelines you put out there 'Teldy, and I also agree with Duck, maybe just a new little template or something.  00:15 Monday May 20 2013

Content Drive
Onestar has been the Content Drive for almost two years, longer then I've even been on the wiki. It's long time that we got a new one. I'm open to suggestions, but remember that this article needs to have problems, it'll be featured on the project's main page for possibly a long time, with the whole project focusing on working on that article. From just glancing over the bronze/started articles Smallear, Hutch, and Sharpclaw look like possible candidates. What do you guys think? =) 04:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch, Dodge, and Sharpclaw all seem good choices to me. Perhaps Purdy, as a suggestion? Bb un   legs  15:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch and Sharpclaw look like they need some TLC. 19:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, Purdy might be a good one, but I don't know about Dodge, he's quite minor and someone could easily fix him up in a couple of hours. x3 15:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Please comment if you already haven't, we need more than three people commenting. x3 12:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch needs a fair bit of attention, I wouldn't object to him being the new Content Drive. 11:28 Tue May 28

Character Relationships
Hello, PC members! I would like to suggest there being a relationships page/section for the characters. I have seen this on other wikis, and I thought it might be a good idea. I think this would be a good idea because the character's pages only briefly mention their relationship with other characters. A good example for this would be Longtail and Firestar. When Firestar first came into the ThunderClan camp, Longtail was the one to challenge him at a fight for his right to be in the Clan. FIrestar had proved his worth, but Longtail still didn't like him until later on in the series. The character pages don't go into much depth on that, so I thought it would be a good idea to make a page for that. Another good example would be Firestar and Sandstorm. When Firestar joined ThunderClan, Sandstorm didn't like him because of his kittypet roots. But after Firestar saved her from falling over the gorge, she had a new respect for him, and unlike Dustpelt, she stopped mocking him. After that, the two cats began to develop a relationship. However, in Firestar's Quest, when Sandstorm realizes Firestar had feelings for Spottedleaf, she became fairly jealous, until Spottedleaf came by and stopped the argument, saying that they belonged together. Firestar admitted he wouldn't want to be with anyone else, and later they had two kits. What do you think of this suggestion? .Jasmine555. (talk) 13:16, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly I think that we don't really need it, it would get down to people speculating, like with Rainwhisker and Swallowtail, the books and the authors have never said that they were mates, but people would be adding them to the relationships, same with Blackclaw and Mistystar, I've seen anons and people add him in as her mate multiple times, but there is no canon proof. Also, the relationships would be based heavily on opinion, so I don't think that it's needed. 19:45, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Characters' Personality
Okay, I know that I'm a new member and I shouldn't be saying thing like this. And I've been using this wiki for a long time. But I've always felt that the character pages needed something more; a 'personality' section. It helps describing the general personality of the character and maybe a bit of personality change of the character through out the whole series, because it's been really harder for viewers to actually learn about what the character is like and some might not have the book, Cats of the Clans. Personality really tells a lot about ta character.

Ina0601 (talk) 09:34, May 21, 2013 (UTC)MoonWing

It's perfectly fine to you to present ideas, no matter how new you are.

Although, I don't believe characters should have a personality section for the same reason they don't have a relationship section: it's too heavily based on opinion. It would be difficult to cite and people would tend to put their own speculations into articles. 13:58 Tue May 21 2013

I agree with Breezy on this one; it would lead to too much inferring and guessing, and opinion.  14:06 Tuesday May 21 2013

I know but it's really tiring to figure out what kind of character the cats are. I mean for some of them, it's easy to write for the personality. For example, Tigerstar or Hawkfrost. We can write that they are ambitious. And it even shows it in the book. Ina0601 (talk) 01:56, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

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=Nominations=

Dappletail's Kit ~ Silver Nomination
Created his article from scratch. Improvements to be made? 07:44 Sun Apr 7

We have never come to a consensus on Dappletail's Kit's page. The conversation was resolved due to another idea of having a complete page of minor characters. Sol's Twoleg, Petal's and Fox's Mother, etc. all contribute a bit of something to the plot or explain more about a certain character. Dappletail's Kit does not. However, please focus more on the kit and it would help to combine sentences. This also may be put on hold since there's still conflicting opinion about this page. 14:43, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those cats contributed to the plot of a book but, but, this kit actually did. He's used to explain why Snowkit's blind, so despite the mere few sentences he appears in, without him, there's no real explanation as to why Snowkit's blind and no reason for a reader to go Google ( or Bing -trollface- ) it to see if it actually happens in real cats. So he does have a bit more of a purpose than just a background character. We've pages for allegiance only characters who don't appear in the main story at all, so why not a kit who's mentioned for realistic relief? 07:02 Mon Apr 8


 * Allegiance characters have actual names and are mentioned in the book, even if it's just the allegiances. It's the fact that they actually have names and demonstrate the diversity and population of a Clan. Also, Dappletail's kit doesn't necessarily explain why Snowkit's blind. Dappletail could have explained that white cats with blue eyes are often born deaf without presenting her other kit. While Dappletail's kit provides a bit of proof, she could also have used any other white kit with blue eyes that was known to be deaf. Especially since it must be commonly known since you can't prove something like that with two cases. 15:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So a name's enough to get a character a page, even if they're there for not even a sentence in the book? This kit was actually used for something. Without using the kit, the cats with would have no actual proof of the cats with white fur and blue eyes are born deaf, unless there was another cat like this. The thing is though, they used this kit and no other cat, so he does actually offer something to the storyline, even if it's only a small bit of info. 14:44 Sat Apr 13


 * Berry, by that definition every dog that's chased the cats on a journey, or a random cat that Firepaw fights in Into the Wild, or Storm's two unnamed kits, or Mapleshade's kits, etc. would get a page. They contributed to the plot about as much as Dappletail's kit did. The only difference I see is that the kit had a description and was only mentioned by himself. 15:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Shattered Ice ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Bb un   legs  19:53, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Good job Beebs, no critiques again!  01:46 Monday May 6 2013

There appear to be some "one sentence paragraphs" (as they're not actually paragraphs at all but they're formatted like one) scattered throughout the article. Now, I'm no expert on writing or grammar in the least, but I always thought that paragraphs were supposed to have at least three sentences within them. Could you perhaps elaborate on the sentences and provide some detail?

Take for example:
 * "He and Dappled Pelt talk quietly under a patch of weak sunshine when Gray Wing arrives at the hollow."

Is there any way this can be lengthened, and perhaps explain what he and Dappled Pelt were talking about? There are a couple others that are in there, but I just picked one that seemed easy enough to work with. All in all, it's a very lengthy article.

Fixed. I decided to combine some of the one-sentences with others to create some paragraphs. Anything else? Bb un   legs  23:38, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? 01:41, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Vote is up! 23:11, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Quailheart ~ Silver Nomination
I just finished the summary and added some trivia, so, any comments?  19:47 Saturday May 11 2013

Quotes, if possible? Bb un   legs  20:02, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

No, there really aren't any good quotes for him that show his personality well, he's mostly just present with no dialogue and next to no mentions after.  13:56 Sunday May 12 2013

CBV? 01:41, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Vote is up! 23:12, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Tansypaw ~ Silver Nomination
Was mostly done when I got here. It's expanded to its max without other cats getting into the scenario, and that's all that she really speaks in CJ. Comments? Bb un   legs  20:06, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think with the event with the tree falling, you could expand and detail it a little more. If you don't have the ebook, I could do this.  14:11 Sunday May 12 2013

With your help, I managed to expand it c:. Anything else? Bb un   legs  01:07, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? 01:41, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Vote is up! 23:12, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Mintpaw (CJ) ~ Silver Nomination
I just expanded and detailed the history, so, any comments?  14:09 Sunday May 12 2013

CBV? 01:41, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ken ~ Bronze Nomination
I don't exactly know if this right, being new to the project... but I've expanded the history. 15:05, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Sorrel, articles don't get nominated for bronze, they only get nominated for gold and silver, but everyone makes mistakes, and you're new to the project, so it's fine. =)  21:49 Thursday May 23 2013

Bumble - Silver Nomination
What a cutie! Comments? Bb un   legs  04:01, May 25, 2013 (UTC)