Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Warrior Status
The other leads were chatting, and we all kind of came to the conclusion and agreement that we need to eliminate one of the ways that people become warriors. We've decided that it doesnt matter how many chararts you have approved, you still need to go through the nomination process. Because right now the system isnt working, its like you get nominated and then half way through it you get your third charart apporved and its just a mix up. So ya thats a new thing. 19:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. Just 'cause you've gotten three images approved doesn't mean you're necessarily ready to be a warrior. 22:33 Mon Oct 10

As much as I hate to admit it XD You're right. This way it's fairer. 06:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is quite fair. I'm getting tired of seeing users ask to become warriors because they have the right amount of chararts. You should earn your warrior rank, just like warriors need to work to earn their senior warrior rank. 06:26, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask if an apprentice hasn't got 3 chararts approved but they have warrior qualities can they get nominated as a warrior. It's probally not likely but just asking.  Owl   X    G    l    itt    er   4LIFE..    The colors of fall 08:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being in this chat - any chats at all, actually, but I agree. 15:54, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. 15:57, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

That is what she is saying, Owl. The how many pixils you got approved rule has been thrown out the window, and you only get nominated if you show a warrior skill level, such as terrific charart and you are always critiquing others, helping them and such, and being active in discussions here about the project. 16:00, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this one. One thought, though. People are always saying how people need to do more types of cat pelts when they are nominated. Do types apply to this? Great idea, though. 23:30, October 13, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I don't think that would be fair, honestly. Look at me, I'm a senior warrior and my tabby and tortie skills aren't all the best. I'm much better with solid/bi-colored cats (ie; Oakheart, Whitefang and Magpie), then I am with any other pelt style. Telling someone that they can't become a warrior/senior warrior because they don't have enough tabbies or torties or any other pelt style is outrageous. If their skill is noticed, and they're nominated, you shouldn't lower their self-esteem by telling them no because "you haven't done enough of this pelt style". Some people aren't good with certain things, simple as that. 02:23, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, no, Skye, you misunderstood me. I was asking, not proposing that. I'm sorry for the mix-up. I personally think it's unfair too. Sorry, Skye. :( 16:24, October 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

No, Shade, I got what you meant. I was just posting my opinion on that matter. I don't like seeing things like that said on someone's nomination. It's demoralizing. 03:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I think doing a solid colored cat and a tabby cat doesn't make much of a difference. You just need to add stripes and blur it! <font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall  00:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Owl, that's where you're wrong. A tabby and a solid colored cat are different in difficulty. I know this for a fact, because I'm much better with solids then I am tabbies. Trust me, they're not the same. Frankly, I don't think it matters. If the user can prove their skills, why in the world would they have to do a certain pelt type? I hate tabbies, and if you look on my Chararts page, you'll that most of mine are in fact solid/bi-colored cats, because that's what I specialize in. 19:13, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Redoning Mulitple Image Characters
Okay this I'm looking for suggestions with. While the other leads and i were talking we also thought the idea that if you redo a characters image that has more than one image, you have to redo them all, in a row. Like how I did Morningflower, Ivystripe did Goldenflower, and Scarletwind did Brightheart. This would just be for tweak page, not the approval page if they get a new rank. Theres a bunch of stuff im missing but can't think of now, so thoughts? 19:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. It's very challenging to (for example) add stripes to an image without affecting the shading or pelt color. I tried, plenty of times, and it's quite hard. So, I agree with this xP 20:11, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Unless they are on the redoing list, right? <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:54, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nope even then. If its redone for any reason theyre all yours. 20:56, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds better than doing a separate image. One person has all the colors for each charart. 21:03, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good for the sake of consistency. <span style="">22:35 Mon Oct 10

So do we start this from now on, or if we redid a multiple-image character a long time ago, do we have to redo the rest of the characters'chararts? 22:42, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Awesomeee!I've been wanting to see Mallownose's kit image for a while XDD - 23:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of 50/50 on this idea, because I was hoping to expand on more ranks of lineart, rather than doing the same linearts a lot. If we do this, that means I'd be doing Whitetail's warrior image too? 00:28, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, while we were talking, I actually brought that up. It's not as big of a deal if you don't, more for complicated pelts, but if she's on the list then we would like you too so we don't have tiffs over what is "complicated" and what is not. But if you don't want to do it/can't you can ask another user. (this is how I recall the convo but someone else who was there can call me out if it's wrong)  00:32, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is a good idea, and something I support. However, I won't be doing the apprentice version of Robinwing (RC), since it was a total fail. If someone wants to re-do it, they're more then welcome to. I messed up so badly on that, I don't know how it got re-approved. I'll be working on Creekfeather's image, right after I do Mousefang's warrior. =) 00:43, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think this probably shouldn't apply for solid-coloured cats, though. Just 'cause solid coloured cats aren't going to look terribly different as long as you colour-pick the colour from the original image. <span style="">05:06 Tue Oct 11

I want to get this clear - I'll be doing Brackenfur's image, maybe taking over Thornclaw's image, and then I'll finish Crookedstar's images and go back to Brackenfur and THornclaw, just so y'all don't -cusswordhere- at me. 15:55, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ok Icestorm, I'm fine with that but you'll have to see what the others think (I don't see why they'd be mad if you're gonna stick to that)  16:02, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay so I'll add this to the rules. From now on you have to stick to this rules, but for past ones, you dont have to but honeslty i would really appreciate it if you guys did. 22:20, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Something that needs to be addressed
Ok, I just recently found something on the chararats needing to be redone list. Now, I think I know who put this on there, but I refuse to name names, as that will do no good. The newly approved Lilystem's queen alt was listed to be remade. Now, why this bothers me is how come we couldn't have told Mistystar to make her pale while it was still on the approval page? I think we need to be a little more careful about things like this in the future. If anything is going to be approved while it's on CBA, please make sure it is perfect. I think it's a blow towards Mistystar and if it happened to me I would be upset. 18:04, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point Ivystripe. I mean, if i were in Mistystar's shows, oops, that was supposed to be shoes XD, i would not be happy when it gets approved then is all of a sudden put on the needing tweaking to be paler. I mean, why not just tell me earlier and save the trouble of it being re-done? Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  18:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. It was only approved, like, what? Not even four days ago? I checked the archive, and no one mentioned anything about it needing to be paler. If it was really that important, then someone should have spoken up. 18:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, if it was important than why ignore it? Making it paler isn't too hard, and doesn't need to be redone for that either. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:22, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be tweaked/redone at all. In fact, I'm going to remove it from the list, since the leads can do so if they wish. However, if another lead disagrees with me, feel free to add it back on. 20:25, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I actually spent a lot of time on Lilystem, and I took the base color off of Lilystem's regular image, so I really don't think it needs to be redone. 21:29, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, same with Rainflower's chararts. Rainflower's warrior charart is lighter than Rainflower's queen image (which got approved before Rainflower's warrior image). I'm not trying to offend anyone. 23:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the person didn't notice it whilst it was up? It probably doesn't need to be put on the redone list, though. Tweak list would be better as all one needs to do it run a dodge tool over the whole image. I think it does need to be tweaked to be lighter, though. (Yes, the person was me. Thank you for not naming names, Ivy, but I feel I should own up to my own actions :P) I actually didn't notice it while it was up, and for that I apologize, but I feel that the image should be lighter or at least as light as the original image. It doesn't make sense to me that an alternate for a pale tabby should be darker than the pale gray original. <span style="">03:30 Wed Oct 12

Alright, well, I didn't know if you wanted to tell them or not. I can understand that, but maybe you could have said something to Mistystar and she could have quickly lightened the whole image with the dodge tool. I'm not mad at you, it just kind of concerned me. 03:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

No I understand that. I just didn't notice what the alternate image was for when it was up, and I was looking at the random pages and I went "Oh well why is the pale tabby image darker than the original?". I should have mentioned it; I just didn't notice it. <span style="">03:47 Wed Oct 12

Yes well thats all good and fine and addressed, here is something i feel needs to be addressed: People complaining about thier own art. If you think its really that terrible that you need to complain every time you reupload, for gosh sakes dont post it! This isnt a place to go searching for ego stokes and making people feel like they have to tell you youre wonderful just cause youre freakin out. It makes me want to declined it due to lack of faith. And im not singling anyone out, theres a good number of people who do it, and everyone needs to cut it out. Its a waste of space. Thats my angry rant. 22:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Guilty as charged of that^^. I complain, because there are a lot of people that are better then I am, but I'm the senior warrior. Now, I love most of my work, but some of it just turns out....different then what I expected. I post it so people can give me ideas as to how to improve it, not for a pity party. In fact, those that do expect a pity party should have their work declined on the spot. We're here to help improve their work, not tell them it's the most amazing thing on the planet. 22:53, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, people need to have a lot more faith in their art. Yeah, I had a reasons to be embarrassed of my first charart, but now it's like "If it's bad then that's what PCA is for anyways"  23:00, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

And CBA stands for Comments before approval, which means that it should get approved shortly. Also no offence but sometimes the leads should only post CBA if the charart is almost perfect, or if they think it is. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 01:42, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, what you said about "approved shortly", what do you mean? CBAed images are approved after 24 hours. Also, I was under the impression that a lead CBAs an image after about 24 hours too. Not whether the image is near perfect. 03:40, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I mean it gets 24 hours of CBA. And I thought that users had to like the image too. For example, I don't think a lead can just CBA an image on their own acord, without agreeing on anything with other leads, and then the image gets a heap of comments for improvment. I thought it had to be a good image. Please don't blame me if I get this wrong, I'm not a lead, I'm not even a warrior yet! So I'm not quite sure how things work with leads. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall  00:09, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

An image is CBA'd by a lead when they think it's ready. The opinions of each of us are quite different, and if another lead/user thinks it's not ready, then they'll comment and tell them what needs fixing. We don't need to confer with the other leads before CBA'ing an image. 19:09, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tutorial
The apprentice tutorial is looking amazing, however, all the strategies of making a charart include layers. Is it possible that the leads could make a part in the tutorial that doesn't use layers? I know some users do not use layers and either do not know how, or think they are confusing and would rather just avoid them all together. 03:36, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to become an apprentice of Project: Charart. I think I have what it takes to create accurate chararts aslong as I have a responcible mentor. 05:29, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I do agree.. I, myself don't do layers (too confusing, for me o.o) and I'm still quite new with chararts, so it would be very helpful. And maybe a tutorial for Pixlr? I know a lot of people use GIMP, but I have also seen Pixlr a lot.

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  20:14, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Moonstrike, you should make a new section asking to join and we don't have mentors in PCA ;). I think a section for pixlr would be awesome to add to as some people can't download GIMP. 03:40, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I use Pixlr, and it is easier not to use layers, or use one or two layers. I know a lot of people do use Pixlr. I think a Pixlr section would be helpful. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  08:41, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Agreeing. Not all users know how to use GIMP or Photoshop. Should we put Mistystar in charge of the Pixlr section? I know for a fact she uses it (if I'm not mistaken.) I would help out, since I used to use Pixlr, but I've lost my touch in that program xD 21:54, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I use Pixlr and I don't use layers either, the only time I use layers is when I color pick colors off other images. I try to keep things simple most of the times. I think myself I'm okay for a Pixlr user, not as good as some other members here though, but GIMP does have more tools and is a bit better for Chararts. I like the tutorial idea, lots of tutorials are on Gimp, but I've seen a few on Pixlr, but what about Photoshop? I'm not sure if I've seen one on Photoshop. We could do a tutorial on Photoshop if possible. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 23:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agree to this because i use pixlr a lot, i rarely go on Gimp, and i don't use layers on pixlr. So, maybe add a Pixlr section with layers, a Pixlr section without layers, and a Gimp section without layers. It would make it easier on everyone if that was added. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!   Might bite underneath the moonlight  00:52, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with this ^^. I've never used layers, and anyway, even if I did, pixlr's layers are...subpar to Gimps, so it wouldn't be worth is. (and I already have a non-layer solid and tabby tutotial made/shot)  Criminal Scum  Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 03:18, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

We can have those, except a GIMP section without layers. I've looked into that, I don't think that's possible. If you use GIMP, you have to use layers, it's just a solid fact. We can try to find someone who uses Photoshop, if anyone lead-wise does then it's up for grabs. 21:01, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I used GIMP until it stopped working on my computer; I never touched a layer. Criminal Scum Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 21:48, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess it can be done. We'll see if we can find someone to do that section. So for right now, a non-layer Gimp section is a go. -- 01:32, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I could always work on that~ :)  Criminal Scum  Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 19:00, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wait to see if a lead wants to take a crack at it first, and then if none of them (I say them because I don't have the patience to work on a tutorial x3) want to, then you could probably work on it. 19:02, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly i think we should open it to all the warriors next week. 00:29, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I could try and see if I could figure out a good way to work without layers in gimp? I don't know though, I ALWAYS use layers and I've never tried without them. XD but if I figure it out, I'd be happy to help out with that section. And that'd be awesome if it was opened up for warriors soon! 8D ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:44, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't use layers back then, now I'm using them with GIMP. 11:42, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea. You could even use layers with pixlr, I know, not the best, but many use pixlr. I used pixlr, but now I use Paint.NET. 15:05, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I see no problem with letting the warriors in on it. After all, some of them are very, very talented... *cough*Paleclaw*cough*. They should be allowed to help. As for layers...well, I've never worked without them, considering I find it hard, more so because if you get too close to something, you blur the lineart by mistake. 15:17, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join? I love making characters because I randomly think of characters.

Puffle55 02:04, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sure! I'll add you in now. Please have a look at our basic guidelines and our apprentice tutorials to get you started. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:22, October 18, 2011 (UTC)