Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

Stranger
Would "the stranger", who appeared in pages 163-164 in The Sun Trail get a page? He has a description, gender, and rank named, and did affect the plot in a way (he was the one who informed of the traveling cats that there were rogues living on the other side of the Highstones, and even told them that was what the kittypets called them), but no name. I'd like to see what others think about this. Bb un   legs  21:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think he should have a page and charart, if soemone can think of a sutible page name for him... but it's up to everyone else, I think.☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I agree with Sorrel, he should get a page, a charart, the whole deal, and the project can brainstorm suitable page names for him. Truthfully I haven't gotten around to reading The Sun Trail but with what Beebs says I think I can trust my opinion...  23:18 Tuesday May 7 2013

I support the idea of him getting a page, considering all of the factors listed above. --  S      t      a      r      r      y 17:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Minor Characters
As in a previous discussion here, we had conflicting opinions about extremely minor characters like Dappletail's Kit (which is still on consideration for the chopping block). However, it seemed like a popular idea to merge these characters into one page. So there's two options to go with, either define the terms on what qualifies a minor character to receive a page, or figure out the format of the one minor characters page option. Please explain which option is more beneficial and why. 14:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a page for minor characters, mainly just to group them all together and be done with it, so we don't have all these tiny articles, and I believe we could redirect the searches to that page. But I am unsure as to how we would go about making it. Probably something like Wikipedia does for it's characters in books? I don't think we need any infoboxes, just a summary of the characters, which could be arranged by series and book. 17:20, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like a minor character page, because imho, characters like Dappletail's Kit, who have no effect on the plot and are just mentioned don't need a full page to themselves, it'd fit perfectly into a minor characters page. 17:21, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think only the minor characters who effected the plot in some way (such as Petal's mum) should get their own page. What good is it to have pages for characters who didn't even effect the plot in some way? I'd say we should define the terms on what qualifies on a minor character to get their own page, so that those who don't effect the plot get merged into a single page, while others who have recieve their own. Bb un   legs  18:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd think characters like Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father (and possibly even Shellheart's Grandfather) would still retain their own page, as they are, at least Sol's Father's case, part of the plot of at least one book. But characters like Dappletail's kit really don't need any form of a page whatsoever, as they are not vital to the plot whatsoever. Would this also apply to cats like Leaftail, who is an allegiances only character and only mentioned outside of it once?

I believe that cats like Leaftail should also get merged too. Despite appearing in the allegiances, they have contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and were probably only mentioned a few times in the series. Bb un   legs  19:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except allegiance-only characters demonstrate the population of a Clan/cat group as well as have a specific name. Plus, this page would turn out to be huge if we included all allegiance-only characters. I think confinements around what should be have a page and should not have a page is a specific name or if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way. 02:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Leaftail was mentioned outside of the allegiances, so I think that that's another reason to give him his own page. 02:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've been supporting the minor character page for a while. I do think characters who have clearly stated names should keep their articles, like the allegiance only ones, and I think we should make some sort of guidelines on what requires a page outside of that, and then leave the rest grouped together on the minor character page. It'd be great to have, especially with cats like say, those "unknown kits" who I always see in the family sections with no specifications of who they are or anything. We can simply link to their section on the minor character page if we make it, and all the info given about them will be there to see, and then there'll be no confusion over who they are, who their parents/siblings are, and so on. Those guys have always bugged me.

How about these guidelines:
 * Characters shall receive a page if:
 * they have a deliberate, given name
 * mentioned by name/listed in the allegiances
 * if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way

Also, how are we going to format this page? 16:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Those sound like good guidelines to me, Teldy! I'll say lets go with them! Bb un   legs  16:20, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those sound like awesome guidelines, as for the format, charcats honestly wouldn't work, they'd overlap on some of the extremely minor characters and it'd honestly be a mess. Possibly a new simple template or something? Also, would the cats be alphabetized or in order by book or what? 12:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with those guidelines you put out there 'Teldy, and I also agree with Duck, maybe just a new little template or something.  00:15 Monday May 20 2013

Content Drive
Onestar has been the Content Drive for almost two years, longer then I've even been on the wiki. It's long time that we got a new one. I'm open to suggestions, but remember that this article needs to have problems, it'll be featured on the project's main page for possibly a long time, with the whole project focusing on working on that article. From just glancing over the bronze/started articles Smallear, Hutch, and Sharpclaw look like possible candidates. What do you guys think? =) 04:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch, Dodge, and Sharpclaw all seem good choices to me. Perhaps Purdy, as a suggestion? Bb un   legs  15:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch and Sharpclaw look like they need some TLC. 19:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, Purdy might be a good one, but I don't know about Dodge, he's quite minor and someone could easily fix him up in a couple of hours. x3 15:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Please comment if you already haven't, we need more than three people commenting. x3 12:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch needs a fair bit of attention, I wouldn't object to him being the new Content Drive. 11:28 Tue May 28

This hasn't been commented on in a while...but Hutch seems like a good choice to me. Shadewing Huzzah! 02:22, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Characters' Personality
Okay, I know that I'm a new member and I shouldn't be saying thing like this. And I've been using this wiki for a long time. But I've always felt that the character pages needed something more; a 'personality' section. It helps describing the general personality of the character and maybe a bit of personality change of the character through out the whole series, because it's been really harder for viewers to actually learn about what the character is like and some might not have the book, Cats of the Clans. Personality really tells a lot about ta character.

Ina0601 (talk) 09:34, May 21, 2013 (UTC)MoonWing

It's perfectly fine to you to present ideas, no matter how new you are.

Although, I don't believe characters should have a personality section for the same reason they don't have a relationship section: it's too heavily based on opinion. It would be difficult to cite and people would tend to put their own speculations into articles. 13:58 Tue May 21 2013

I agree with Breezy on this one; it would lead to too much inferring and guessing, and opinion.  14:06 Tuesday May 21 2013

I know but it's really tiring to figure out what kind of character the cats are. I mean for some of them, it's easy to write for the personality. For example, Tigerstar or Hawkfrost. We can write that they are ambitious. And it even shows it in the book. Ina0601 (talk) 01:56, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Except that's up to both the character's opinion and the reader's opinion. 18:29, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Join?
Uh...hi guys. I don't know if you all remember me...I left a while ago...but I've had this recent urge to come back here. Could I re-join this project? Team Reel Huzzah! 15:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Welcome back. :D I'll add you in right away, and here are the guidelines and FAQ for your reading pleasure. 16:13 Fri Jun 14 2013

Join
Can I join? I don't really know what to say or do, but I'd like to help! :)

Dazzleheart11 (talk) 19:43, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if needed. 19:53, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Join
Hai can I join #swag 23:10, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing, Icy! I'll add you back in to the project as a warrior. In case if you need it, you may read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ. #swagyolo c: Bb  un   legs  23:12, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Dappletail's Kit ~ Silver Nomination
Created his article from scratch. Improvements to be made? 07:44 Sun Apr 7

We have never come to a consensus on Dappletail's Kit's page. The conversation was resolved due to another idea of having a complete page of minor characters. Sol's Twoleg, Petal's and Fox's Mother, etc. all contribute a bit of something to the plot or explain more about a certain character. Dappletail's Kit does not. However, please focus more on the kit and it would help to combine sentences. This also may be put on hold since there's still conflicting opinion about this page. 14:43, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those cats contributed to the plot of a book but, but, this kit actually did. He's used to explain why Snowkit's blind, so despite the mere few sentences he appears in, without him, there's no real explanation as to why Snowkit's blind and no reason for a reader to go Google ( or Bing -trollface- ) it to see if it actually happens in real cats. So he does have a bit more of a purpose than just a background character. We've pages for allegiance only characters who don't appear in the main story at all, so why not a kit who's mentioned for realistic relief? 07:02 Mon Apr 8


 * Allegiance characters have actual names and are mentioned in the book, even if it's just the allegiances. It's the fact that they actually have names and demonstrate the diversity and population of a Clan. Also, Dappletail's kit doesn't necessarily explain why Snowkit's blind. Dappletail could have explained that white cats with blue eyes are often born deaf without presenting her other kit. While Dappletail's kit provides a bit of proof, she could also have used any other white kit with blue eyes that was known to be deaf. Especially since it must be commonly known since you can't prove something like that with two cases. 15:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So a name's enough to get a character a page, even if they're there for not even a sentence in the book? This kit was actually used for something. Without using the kit, the cats with would have no actual proof of the cats with white fur and blue eyes are born deaf, unless there was another cat like this. The thing is though, they used this kit and no other cat, so he does actually offer something to the storyline, even if it's only a small bit of info. 14:44 Sat Apr 13


 * Berry, by that definition every dog that's chased the cats on a journey, or a random cat that Firepaw fights in Into the Wild, or Storm's two unnamed kits, or Mapleshade's kits, etc. would get a page. They contributed to the plot about as much as Dappletail's kit did. The only difference I see is that the kit had a description and was only mentioned by himself. 15:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm pretty much the one that abandoned this nomination, but what's going on with it? o3o 14:44 Sat Jun 15

Not sure, honestly. I don't really know what's going to happen to the page - if it's going to be accepted or not. I was only told for it to be kept up here. Bb un   legs  14:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

It is here until we come to a decision about minor characters. So it's to be kept on the page. 16:26 Sat Jun 15 2013

Snailpaw ~ Silver Nomination
Alright, here we go, Snailpaw. I just expanded and detailed the history a bit, so, comments?  01:41 Tuesday June 4 2013

Nice job, Tawn, can't see anything wrong with this. CBV? Bb un   legs  23:16, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I know this has sat for quite some time without comments, but the large paragraph about how they are climbing the tree reads oddly and is pretty repetitive. Fix it up? And could you add some more quotes if you can find any? 23:18 Thu Jun 13 2013

I think I fixed the paragraph, and there really aren't any quotes that really show his personality well. <span style=""> 17:33 Friday June 14 2013

Mintfur (SC) ~ Silver Nomination
Okay, so I decided to expand a random page - Mintfur was my choice! I found a few quotes for her, and changed her main, as well as expanded her history tons. Anyways, comments? Bb un   legs  01:19, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

The main quote she has doesn't really describe her very much. It's moreso a general quote about her and her brother and honestly, I don't think it's a good main one. I think you should find one that focuses more on her.

Okay, I found another quote that could be used as her main ^^;. Anything else? Bb un   legs  19:37, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smallear ~ Silver Nomination
Okay, I expanded and detailed his BP section /a lot/ but the others really can't be since he's so minor. Comments? <span style=""> 19:00 Saturday June 15 2013

The ending of the Darkest Hour section doesn't seem to...fit. I feel like it should end with just Tawnypaw saying that what Smallear said was one of the reasons she left. Any way you could maybe re-word it or something? Unless that's just me being nitpicky. xD <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 02:16, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Personally, I think it's fine, but if anyone else agrees with you I'll gladly change it. <span style=""> 03:57 Monday June 17 2013

Maplestar (CJ) ~ Silver Nomination
Alright, I finished up her history but there really aren't any good quotes. So, comments? <span style=""> 19:28 Sunday June 16 2013

Cloud Spots - Silver Nomination
Comments? <span style="">1:32 Mon Jun 17 2013

Looking good! One thing though. Under quotes, in the third quote, the first time Cloud Spots speaks it says 'It will difficult'. I don't know if there's supposed to be a 'be' there or not (I've never read the book it's from). It makes sense grammatically, though. Just thought I'd point it out. <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 01:37, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

A typo on my part. It does have a 'be' in there. <span style="">1:38 Mon Jun 17 2013

Mudfur ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded his history, especially Crookedstar's Promise. I may add a few quotes if I find some that aren't already up. Comments? <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 14:53, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Sharptooth ~ Silver Nomination
There really wasn't much I could add, but I tried my best. Comments? <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 15:09, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Add and expand his Secrets of the Clans section? He's mentioned, isn't he? Bb un   legs  15:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)