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SkyClan and ShadowClan
You know how some cats have the Clan abbreviation after the names of their pages because there are different cats with the same name? Like Ashfur (TC) and Ashfur (SC)? Well, since ShadowClan's and SkyClan's names begin with the same letter, I suggest that the abbreviation for SkyClan be (SkC). Using the Robinwings as an example:

Robinwing (TC)

Robinwing (WC)

Robinwing (SkC)

Robinwing (RC)

Get it? I hope so XD Raven flight 92 22:49, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that works. Anyone oppose of this?-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 22:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The reason only some of the pages have (SkC) or (ShC) is because only one or two names have cats in both Clans, such as Oakpaw. For others like Robinwing, there's no need to add an extra letter. It would add some clarification, so it's not a bad idea. It would throw me out of whack when linking for a while but if you guys think it's worth it then it's cool :)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should use the 'SkC' or 'SkC' for now, since there is no Robinwing in ShadowClan or any other cats with the same name in shadowclan or skyclan. -- Icestorm Peace 14:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree Ice. I think that a generic system would be better as it avoids any confusion over whether 'SC' means 'ShadowClan' or 'SkyClan' for any individual cat - at the moment you need to actually go and look at the page and see which it is. I think a system that can be used for all cats no matter whether there is both a ShadowClan and SkyClan cat with that name or not would be better, with 'SkC' meaning SkyClan and 'SC' being used only for ShadowClan cats. (or 'ShC' if it's preferable; I just have in my head the abbreviations I've always used) ✐Sa  NdY  18:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me, Sandy. I doubt we need the (ShC) because ShadowClan is more common and thus people will assume it when they see (SC). For SkyClan, which is less common, we can make the extra distinguishing factor.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Do people think we should make the change, or keep it as is?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Change it, in my opinion. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:04, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Overview
Especially for major characters, we should have an "Overview" section describing the major milestones and actions in about 10-20 paragraphs, so users unfamiliar with the character could readily see who it was and what did it do (instead of browsing through lengthy History sections listing all events without focusing on their importance). Helixtalk 09:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, all information is necessary for it, and I liked the history layout when I was new to Warriors. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   00:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not suggest removing the History section; only adding a section that summarizes it. Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense, but my only objection to it is that if a user is 'unfamiliar with the cat' they probably don't want major spoilers of everything that cat did in the course of the whole series... by sorting it by book it allows people to avoid the sections of books they haven't read and minimize spoilers for everyone while still offering comprehensive information.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a valid concern... Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

What if we put it after the history, and divide it into the Series? For example, here's how the wikicode would look. ===Overview===

In the Original Series
(overview of what the did in the Original series, if applicable)

In the New Prophecy Series
(overview of what they did in the New Prophecy, if applicable)

Would that work? → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Played around a bit, check here. The spoilered section is auto-hidden, click on Show (next to the description). However, I guess it'd overcomplicate things, and I see that not many users are interested in the feature, so we can leave it as it is for now. Helixtalk 12:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

That hidden section actually looks pretty nice. My only concern which does not directly affect this idea's implementation, is that we might have to discuss page layout... for major characters like Firestar the pages have a lot going on and it's less organized that I'd like it to be. But of course that separate issue doesn't have to do with this... ah I tend to ramble a lot XD  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, are we implementing this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  14:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I think it might be good for a few pages, but I want to get other people's input too. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep it the way it is. An overview would just be confusing; especially if somebody wants to go through the character's history without a paticular book being spoiled for them  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 05:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mates
I think this was briefly discussed, but overlookd. In my opinion, the article Mates should be locked so that unregistered contributers can't edit it, only warriors wiki members can. (If that's possible) I know that there are unregistered contributers who mean no harm, and some can even be quite helpful. But that page is this enormous bullseye for a vandal, if you know what I mean. What do you guys think?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 07:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, there was a discussion about this on PW talk, I think, but it's gone now, I guess it got archived due to lack of discussion.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

So what's your opinion about it?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 02:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea - it was me in the first place who suggested it, but it was dropped / forgotten somehow. Helixtalk 17:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. One time an unregistered contributor wrote, "Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight will probably get together again", and someone wiped a whole section out. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Firestar
Hey everyone. I'm going to cite some of Firestar's stuff but I need book and page numbers. I could look them up, but my sister stole the books and I can't find it. I need one for Firestar's eye color (Somewhere in Into the Wild, probably), and one for proof that Tigerstar and Lionheart mentored him (Fire and Ice, maybe Into the Wild I don't know). Thanks Quailflight  12:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I need citations that Firestar's and Graystripe's mentor was Tigerstar, as they are missing in numerous articles.-- Quailflight 12:56, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I think this might get more response if posted on his talk page? insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderpelt - Gold Nomination
If I'm doing this wrong take it down but I've been expanding TNP sections and she had the Feature Article....just a long time ago. Does this still stand, or do we have to wait for her to be featured again? Again if I do this wrong take it down. -- Quailflight 09:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

She actually looks great :) Nice amount of history for each book. But, does anyone see any areas in which she is lacking that I missed? I just want to make sure because Gold nominations are a pretty big thing ;) insane  brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think she's in great shape! :) I don't see any areas missing, but then again, it's just me. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 23:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comments? Quailflight 05:34, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe - Silver Nomination
I'm surprised he's not already gold. :) I don't own many of the books so I may need help with the improvements.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

For such a major character, he has awfully short history for several sections, particularly some of the original series ones. Those definitely need fleshing out and he could probably use a general look over if someone has time. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'd do it myself, but I don't have any of the books. If anyone would like to do it, that would be great. I mean, come on, it's Graystripe! :)-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I've been editing Graystripe for a few days, he could need some extension in the OS, but I don't know if I should do it. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you have the books, you're more than welcome too as I don't own those books.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 01:14, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wait. Do we need a citation for Tigerstar mentoring him? Quailflight 09:34, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah we should. It should be in Into the Wild.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 10:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Not just Into the Wild, but a page source, too. → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Temporary Deputies
Should temporary deputies like Adderfang and Hawkfrost have the position part in their charcat? I mean, they weren't technically deputy, but they still were one. Would we have them preceed/succeed on the their preceeding and succeeding deputies' pages or keep them the way they are? -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 20:52, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say yes, add them as that position. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article - June '10
Hey, it's that time again~ So, who should we feature this month? I'm open to any suggestions. insane brick'd 21:30, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wow,That was quick.It feels like May 1st : |.The article:I'll look around.... S n i c k e r s  8 Days! 22:12, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Tawnypelt?She's silver... S n i c k e r s  8 Days! 22:16, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Tawnypelt is okay, but not high on my list. 'Twas thinking Jayfeather/Dovepaw/Hollyleaf/Ivypaw, very current or up-to-date with the books. Another one I was thinking of was Hawkfrost. → •Maple  fern•  ←  23:37, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Hawkfrost looks good, but Jayfeather has been a little messed up after I found a vandal, Dovpaw and Ivypaw would be to young of an article, but Hollyleaf could be considered. Quailflight 17:25, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

What about Lionheart? Quailflight 17:27, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Hawkfrost would be a nice choice =) He's like the Heathcliff of Warriors and I think tht with recent plot developments he would be a nice cat to feature. -- Sandy star 10:54, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I support Hawkfrost! Go Hawkie! LOL-- Quailflight 11:04, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * For some reason I thought he was silver already. If we are to choose Hawkfrost then he will need some history filling out... I tried to start but the stupid browse insides won't give me page numbers today. -- Sandy star 12:38, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I ran into that problem when trying to flesh out his history before. For some reason the Moonrise Browse Inside doesn't give any page numbers... but the rest work fine. I guess we'll need some brave people to go into the book with no Browse Insides and look for more of his appearances :P I would do it but... I don't have much time. Or we could feature someone else this month and put Hawkfrost on hold until he's in better shape. Either Dovepaw or Ivypaw or Hollyleaf could work too but they have the same problem that since they're not yet silver there really hasn't been any Quality control on them yet XD But that is easy enough to fix, and they have enough pure content I think just need a cleanup. insane  brick'd 14:18, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I could do that. I actually have a Kindle (an online library, essentially) and I can just look up his name. It'll show every spot where it appears. Pretty convenient for filling in history. =D -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 19:00, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Which books need more info? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 19:03, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Probably all of them from Moonrise on could use a look-over. I'll help with some of them if I can but I have a lot of HW I've been putting off XD insane  brick'd 19:05, May 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Before I think about doing this, which character do we want doing? Hawkfrost, Dovepaw, Ivypaw or Hollyleaf? -- Sandy star 17:00, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Hawkfrost. I spent some time to update the article (it was in a quite bad shape); I expanded his New Prophecy history to the best extent I could, fixed style errors (past/present tense etc) and updated links. His PO3 / TFA history still appears to be a bit short, but I guess it's because he is a very minor character in those books (I don't have PO3 though to check it). Helixtalk 06:27, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I came in late, but I agree that we should do Hawkfrost. He looks good to me I (Although he does need some cleaning and history-adding), and he DOES own. :3  Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 00:15, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I can help with the History. Sagestorm70 13:29, May 28, 2010 (UTC)Sagestorm70

Controversy
There are two articles I've recently gone over: Adderpaw and Applefur. I was debating over whether they should be nominated or not. Adderpaw is currently bronze, but if he's not too minor, could he possibly be nominated to silver? Applefur may be too minor to become gold, but I don't know. What do you guys think? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:27, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

More detail needed
http://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/Herbs_and_Their_Uses This is the link. It doesn't include all the herbs--barely any. I just wanted to inform you guys. Im not really sure how this is how it works..but....yeah. Sorry I'm new! ^^ FrostHeart 23:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing this, but this type of article falls under Project:World rather than Project characters :P insane  brick'd 00:05, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mousefur-Silver Nomination
She has her references and her history seems pretty good. So is she ready to be silver, or was this a complete fail to bring up?Hollytail Lion x Heather 4ever! 23:51, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

It looks pretty good to me. -- N i g h t s h i n e    {   06:36, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good enough should we vote? Birdwing 22:36, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, any objections before it is put up for vote? बंदर  को पकड़ो !!!  04:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Fawnstorm
If you look here:

http://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/Warriors_Wiki_talk:Charart#Briarlight_.28W.29-For_Approval

You will see that I'm leaving PCA and throwing myself into PC. To fufill the promise I made back in April. :) I need to remebr what this wiki is made for. ;) Γǻώή  ςτόŗm  16:00, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ref Tags
I've noticed that one some articles; the ref tags aren't working properly. See Crookedstar for example. Does anyone know why this is? Night Fall 07:20, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

I see. That's weird! What could be doing it? Γǻώή ςτόŗm  11:16, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm...probably some error in Wikia software, but they seem to work fine for me. बंदर  को पकड़ो !!!  04:54, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

On mine, well, Shimmerpool got it;but Tigerstar's refs were all messed up before. <font color="#50C878">Sky <font color="#6495ED">wish16 <font color="#9966CC"> Nannerpus, the banana peel 04:56, May 29, 2010 (UTC)