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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Do you think you could make the ears a touch more triangular, also? 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  08:03, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

The front leg on <--this side looks a bit awkward the way it's bent. And the paw's a bit peculiar too. <span style="">08:06 Fri Dec 28

I suggest moving the ear (on --> side) closer to the face since it looks a tad out of place. -- S t  a  r  r  y  ~angelfase~  04:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried :P  03:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The way it is now, it looks almost cartoon-y. Shrink the ears, elongate the body just a tad, and thin out that bottom paw. 06:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and elongate the legs and round the back. 06:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded which paw? 21:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Birchstar (RC) (StarClan) ~ For Approval
Comments? First one 8D -- Atomic The collective baby~  18:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

High five XD Define the shading 19:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Eyes are too dark and don't match, stripes are a bit blotchy, and there needs to be some lighter spots on the front side of the body. 19:09, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

ReuploadedI personally think the eyes are fine- I took the colors from the leader image. However, I did fix the stripes and add light to the front side of the body. --                   Atomic  The collective baby~  19:18, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps rearrange them so the colors flow a little more? They really don't look like they match very well, if at all.

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  19:27, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the paws and legs. 22:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  22:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

The patches still don't quite match, perhaps, enlarge the pale stripes, great job Starry. =) 22:49, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  23:53, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the tail and belly shading. 00:16, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  00:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Add/darken the shading by the jaw and underneath 01:15, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  01:28, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part on the shoulder and round it out. 01:41, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- Atomic The collective baby~  01:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Stretch the ear-pink down on <-- this side and lighten --> this side, it looks really dark; i'm not sure if it's because the shading layer is over the ear-pink or not 03:00, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I accidentally put the shading layer over the earpink. Then, my computer derped and didn't give me the .xcf, so I've been working with the .png, in a way. x.x -- Atomic The collective baby~  03:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the stripes to match the leader. If that's possible.... -Feather 12:08, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think the stripes are fine, since the leader's image doesn't reveal her back and I feel that I matched the stripes closely with the way the leader's side was presented. However, if anybody else feels that a thickening of stripes is needed, I will indeed do so. --    Atomic  The collective baby~  20:36, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken them and define them. I can't see them and it seems like they get lost in the shading.

Reuploaded. I know waste is showing and I just removed it, so changes aren't showing. --   Atomic  The collective baby~  20:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there's two layers of stripes here...it doesn't match the leader image. All the stripes on there are at the same opacity there, and there are a few darker than the rest on this. 19:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded -- Atomic Pumbaa! Let me define babysitting! 19:49, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes and base colors still don't match, there's waste, and the shading on the back and base of the tail needs to be thickened. 20:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Braveheart (Star) ~ For Approval
Blegh, I probably named it wrong x.x I believe this is For Evaluation since I'm a kit. Comments please and thank-you? (: 19:02, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Omg this is beautiful ;_;. Lighten the shading? Bbun (talk) 19:03, January 2, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

The shading is fine, I think. Define the depth in the eyes, if you could. This is a wonderful image. Job well done! You know what you're doing; this is being changed to "For Approval".

The only thing I can find wrong is that he's a little cross eyed. My goodness, this is bloody amazing. o.o 19:08, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the eyecolor match the other image please? 19:09, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

The other image is being removed, nothing has to match. 19:11, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded; my goodness, thank you all so much! 19:11, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Add more depth to the eyes- nice image! --          Atomic  The collective baby~  19:59, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

He still looks cross-eyed. And could you add some shading onto >>>> front paw? 22:20, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Love it! But correct me if I'm wrong but are the eye whites supposed to be blue? (Sorry missed a lot XD) 02:36, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 16:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

He looks derpy eyed, fix that? 07:28, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fixed the eyes, changes aren't showing 16:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

They're showing here, don't worry. Blur the stripes a tiny bit. They look a tad too solid. -Feather 09:10, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think they're fine as they are. <span style="">09:12 Sat Jan 5

I'd rather not blur them; when I do, some of them blur together. 14:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Larksong (Star) - Withdrawn
Eh. I tried x.x

Comments? -Feather 19:09, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste. Remove that please? Bbun (talk) 19:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Could you smudge the edges of the patches a bit to match the elder image? 19:12, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 19:18, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can you lighten the shading- the white on her is looking gray unless it's my computer screen. xP -- Atomic The collective baby~  19:19, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. it looks grey on mine too; as does the earpink. Can you define that as well? 19:21, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's not gray, just desaturated. It just needs to be lightened to match the elder and it's fine. I don't think it needs to be defined. But there be waste. 19:25, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Ok, I lightened the shading and went around the image and deleted all the waste I could find. If there is any more that is strikingly obvious, I will remove it. -Feather 19:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a little bit more. --              Atomic  The collective baby~  19:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Artist's choice. .-. 20:18, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I think the shading's fine. If I lightened it any more it would look like nearly invisible ouo. -Feather 20:43, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

If anything I think it could be darkened or defined, seems a bit flat right now. 21:11, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Her white looks pretty grey all over. Either lighten it or the shading just on those parts. 22:22, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can you sharpen the patches just a tad to match the other image a bit more? 22:31, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

The ear-pink looks a bit grayish? Is the shading layer over that? And maybe enlarge the shine/highlights in the eye 01:14, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

The shading layer is over the earpink. -Feather 09:13, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I anchored the shading layer below the earpink layer and lowered the opacity. I sharpened the patches a bit and enlargened the shine in the eyes. -Feather 09:28, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Get rid of the waste please? 14:52, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

There is none that I can see .-. -Feather 15:06, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

ohwait i found it. '''Re-uploaded.  -Feather''' 18:17, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

The white area looks a bit gray, perhaps lighten the shading there? 22:42, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 10:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste next to her chest. 03:02, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 08:31, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

White looks grey, and I can't see any shading <span style="">08:34 Sat Jan 5

If I defined the shading, the white would look even more grey. If I lightened it, it would become almost invisible. I think it's ok how it is, the white looks pretty much the same as her elder imo. -Feather 10:41, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see any shading....you have to do something about that. 14:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think I lost the layers for this -dies- I'm gonna have to withdraw. I have another image to put up, which I have the layers for, so I'll try to help the wiki with that image. Sorry. :c -Feather 20:57, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

River (Leader) (SC) - For Evaluation
I tried to get all the colors matching as close as possible. Comments? <span style="">19:12, 01/2/2013

Blur where the pelt meets the earpink and define/ blur the body shading. 19:14, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading is defined enough, honestly. x3 19:15, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I blurred the shading a bit and blurred where the pelt meet the earpink. <span style="">19:30, 01/2/2013

The shading near the tail, on the cat's side, is too obvious. I suggest spreading it out a tad. -- Atomic  The collective baby~  19:57, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I'm not sure I totally understood you. If it doesn't look like I did could you possibly explain a bit more? <span style="">20:09, 01/2/2013

It looks like she has a stripe on her tail right now, maybe erase some of the shading around it to get rid of that. x3 20:11, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks too obvious in the one area- spread it out around the curve of the body, though not completely. I also suggest blurring it and lightening it a tad, afterward. -- Atomic  The collective baby~  20:12, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness is artist's choice, Starry.

Re-uploaded I have no clue how that stripe thing got there on the tail. I must have accidentally erased something. I think made the shading curve more naturally on the body. <span style="">20:37, 01/2/2013

Blur the shading a lot.

Re-uploaded I added another shading layer on here, because blurring the shading on my other layer caused the shading on the face to disappear. <span style="">20:50, 01/2/2013

Hmm Face is okay, blur shading on her body. 21:02, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think the body shading's fine, but could you define the tail shading and make him less cross eyed? 21:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I defined the tail shading, and removed the bottom highlight in the eyes. I think I need to work with the tail shading a bit more. <span style="">21:20, 01/2/2013

Yes, the tail shading doesn't match the rest of it in regards to light source. He's also a bit cross-eyed still. 22:23, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Fixed the eyes and tail shading. <span style="">03:25, 01/3/2013

The shading looks a little flat on the back 21:35, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Bluestar (Alt. Star) ~ For Approval
Bluestar's pale alt. StarClan image. Been a while since I've posted a charart. Comments? 19:43, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named Bluestar.star.alt.png.

Renamed 19:48, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a bit. -Feather 19:51, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps define the shading a bit. <span style="">19:54, 01/2/2013

Darken the earpink- it seems a tad too bright and pinkish. -- Atomic  The collective baby~  19:56, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think the shadings fine, but if anyone else agrees, I'll define it. Don't think changes are showing. 20:07, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Shimmer. Define it just a tad.

Reuploaded 22:08, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

It might be my screen, but it looks a tad green. 22:47, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see it. 22:54, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I see it, too. And define the tail shading a bit. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 00:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reubloaded. Changes might not be showing. 17:11, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make sure the shading stretches all the way down; I can see some light at the bottom of the flank and forelegs. 18:36, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

She still looks a bit greenish. 22:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The shading is supposed to look like that. 00:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think it could be pale, and also make it less green. 05:38, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The tail tip's kind of oddly dark, especially when that part would probably have a lot of light shining on it, and there's still a lighter strip at the bottom of her belly/back/whatever you wanna call it. 06:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Took the color from the lightest part on her alt. leader. 17:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Uhh... she looks kinda purple-y, and can you define the shading on the chest/shoulders? Right now it's kinda flat. And correct me if I'm wrong, but should the nose....be the same color as the earpink? It looks a little neon-y. 18:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Defined and blurred shading, and made less purple. Will fix nose next. 18:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 18:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The ear-pink looks kinda grayish and even out the shading; it looks darker around the back 21:37, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wind (star) - CBA
Okieee I used my old shading technique for this one but it nearly ripped me off I usually dont use highlights for chars but this was just calling for them, but i think it ended with good end. , 21:21, January 2 ,2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the center of the ear pink on --> ear just a tad? Seems a little blotchy.

Also, can you smooth out the shading on and around the base of the tail? 21:32, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Also smooth it out on side resting on the ground. 22:25, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make her eyes match those of the leader image and queen? 00:19, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink a bit paler, it looks too red 02:57, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded, 15:46, January 3 ,2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading on the flank; it looks a bit blotchy in places, darken the shading under the chin, and stretch the ear-pink up to the tips of the ears. 18:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded, 20:49, January 3 ,2013 (UTC)

Wonderful, Leafy. CBA? 18:52, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Swiftpaw (star) - For Approval
I adore this little guy ;~; So uh. Comments? 21:53, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define teh shading. 22:34, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the white a tad to match the other images. x3 22:46, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 22:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Can you lighten the shading on the white? It looks gray. 23:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 21:46, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Comments before approval? Beautiful job, Splook. 22:17, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but the facial markings on the apprentice and kit are still sharper, especially on the cheek, so perhaps un-blur or sharpen them. x3 22:46, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I don't know if I can sharpen them any more than this. 00:54, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-CBA? ouo 01:54, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading everywhere, especially the white, and lighten the white a tad more. 06:00, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:40, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The tip of his tail and the white on his paws looks a bit gray now. 21:10, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I'm not changing the shading on the white anymore. If it looks a tad gray, it's because of the shading I was told to define. 21:28, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Icy told me to redo the shading with the proper format. 02:25, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the earpink a little and define the tail shading. 18:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Oh also, both ears are supposed to be white, only the far one is on this. 20:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Little bit of color is leaking out of his left (his) eye. 20:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

This is just a preference, but maybe lessen the white around the eye 21:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sootfur (Star) ~ Under Evaluation
Comments? My first charart in a while. The eyes were a pain to do. Bbun (talk) 22:41, January 2, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Smudge the pelt into the earpink. Good work! =) 22:45, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

There's wome waste underneath the haunch in the little tail loop. 22:50, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 22:57, January 2, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Can you blur the belly shading? (or haunch whatever it's called xD) 23:56, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Hope I got it. Bbun (talk) 01:31, January 3, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the shading on the flank, darken the shading on the tail, chest, and forelegs, and add some down around the jaw. And if the light is coming from --> this side, then the highlight in the eye needs to be shifted to match 18:41, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Completely redid the shading. Bbun (talk) 19:29, January 3, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the belly and the shoulder shading. 21:12, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can you specify that? I know the shoulder, but the belly, as in the rump or the chest? Bbun (talk) 22:08, January 3, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Sorry, I meant the rump >.< 02:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Hope I blurred it enough. Bbun (talk) 19:13, January 4, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Darken the shading on the tail and blur the shading on the flank 21:41, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Stonefur (Star) - For Approval
ohai. 22:52, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

'Teldy in PCA? oh wow Beautiful, make the nose pink to match the other images. 22:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Couldn't resist  Asdf, I knew I was missing something. xD 23:03, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Battle-scarred ears pweeze 02:52, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 17:31, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Might just be my computer or lousy eyesight, but it looks like there's waste around the flank and the head 18:42, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Well, in any case, I went over it again, hopefully I got it all. =3 19:14, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well, how about we do this? CBA? I quite like this. ouo

Sorry, but I have to interrupt. >.< The shading looks a bit flat. Can you fix it? (maybe making it a bit darker in some places?) 21:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

CBA again? 02:11, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry dear, but the darkness of the shading makes it not quite match the other images. Lighten it a tad and I'll re-cba. 20:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Cloudstar (Star) ~ For Approval
Wow. How long has it been since I've had an image up around here? xD Well, here he is! 23:31, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Could you add some shading on the bottom of the chest plz. 01:13, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded lolno Is that enough? o3o And changes I believe are not showing. 03:22, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly lighten the shading where the white is on her back? It looks a little bit gray. 03:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Did it just a tad. 04:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

>8C Could you define the shading on the tail? 07:21, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded sorry not sorry c8 Asdfghjkl; this shading x.x 20:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? You should be. >C  03:24, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but this looks plain if not dark gray. His description says pale, so can you lighten it a lot? Cloudy wants to tweak the leader lighter anyways and I've got a nomination up, so don't worry about matching that shade. 06:38, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sure. Is this enough? 21:05, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lighter? 21:52, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:23, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Redden the shading a touch and darken the shading a little 21:42, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mosskit (Star) ~ For Approval
The gray is so light because I color picked the lightest spot on her without shading. If anyone thinks it needs to be darkest I'll glady change it. Other than that, comments? 00:05, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

She needs another bit of grey on her tail like the kit. 00:09, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:23, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm bot sure we've decided what to do with her case have we? Cause she was still a kit in StarClan and this blank is for full grown cats. 02:48, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I saw someone else reserved a kit, so I thought it was ok  Didn't see the topic, oops o3o. 12:06, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to be a bother or anything, but I was wondering what will happen to this? o3o 00:18, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Right now we are still deciding, but it seems like we are leaning towards down-sizing the blanks for the kits, but we're not sure yet. 18:53, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Shadow (Star) - CBA
Lol I failed. Comments? 02:09, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Stretch the "highlight" a bit further up the shoulder 18:45, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur that shading on the.. haunch, is it? 05:52, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: 05:59, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? Faboo, darling 19:25, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

This is a very minor thing that I don't think needs to break the CBA, but there's a little speck of earpink on the forehead. 20:49, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Wolfheart (Star) ~ For Approval
Ew...I don't like this...Comments, amici. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 03:59, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, it looks kinda flat right now, and he looks a bit cross-eyed. 04:05, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

 Reuploaded-  Changes may or may not be showing. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 14:54, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur fur into ear a bit more, 15:49, January 3,2013 (UTC)

Lighten up the pelt color to match her other images 18:44, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ig to the pelt color from her warrior...I'll try a lighter shade though. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 18:52, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

The base pelt is fine. The shading on the warrior isn't exactly the lightest of things. xD

 Reuploaded  Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 01:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, it looks a bit flat. 04:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

There should be a concrete light source in the eyes instead of just light and dark mixed together. 23:21, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  - Better with light scoure? Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 02:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and the eyes still look pixly  03:02, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The file needs to be named Wolfheart.star.png. The "s" shouldn't be capitalized. Also, the entire tail seems to be shaded, when I don't think it should be. Add a highlight or possibly erase some of it.

Snowfur (Star) ~ For Approval
Shading white cats...x.x And, I did add her gray ear tips, but the earpink is covering them. So, comments? Shoon Derp Dream, believe 04:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC) Could you add the gray ear tips on the visible back of the ears? That's where they'd really be... 04:34, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Waste in the tail area. *nearly said tailhole* 07:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --      Shoon Derp  Dream, believe        11:26, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading at the base of the tail and blur the rest 18:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

The eye colour should match the other images. 07:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the bodu looks blotchy, and can you define the shading on the taoil? gah I can;t tyep today 18:32, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --  I swear, this shading hates me       Shoon Derp  Dream, believe 18:29, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

You forgot the nosepink, and the earpink needs to match the other images, so brighten and saturate it a bit. 18:34, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --      Shoon Derp  Dream, believe

21:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded again I found some waste. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 21:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

She's looking a little gray around her face, lessen the shading a little 21:44, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hollowbelly (Star) ~ For Approval
la~ <span style="">06:17 Thu Jan 3

Make the white stretch around his neck to match? Lovely .o. 07:03, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">07:25 Thu Jan 3

Could you blur the white a tad more? Just so it's a little softer-edged and matches the warrior. 15:19, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the white tail tip. <span style="">18:09, 03, 01, 2013

Lighten the white on the chest a tad. -- Atomic Pumbaa! Let me define babysitting!  01:05, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The white is fine. It doesn't need to be lightened.

The eyes should be blue rather than purple. 03:28, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The eye color matches the other images fine. IT's just smaller on those so it's harder to see the color. 05:37, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Whitestorm (Star) - CBA
Again, everything matches the images I have the layers to except for the earpink. Whoooo I can't believe Holly got approved in time to get him! 8DDDD Comments? 05:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

This is amazing<33 Maybe curve the feathered ears a tad? They look a bit spiked. -Feather 13:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think  you could lighten the shading a touch as well? He seems a bit dark. 17:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Did my best on the tufts. 17:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think the ear-pink color should go onto the tufts I'm probably wrong though.... 20:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

no, you're right 00:35, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

You're right, it shouldn't, but it doesn't really. It stops. It's just smudged a bit since it's furry right there. 00:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smduge it back down a little? My kitty has tufted ears, but the pink inside doesn't carry up quite that far. 00:38, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I wanna see your tufty kitty! .o. 00:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Changes aren't showing, so check the file history. 00:46, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'll show you her later. ouo CBA? 00:48, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Moonflower (Star) ~ CBA
Lol This time I know she gets one xD Tried a new shading placement o3o Comments? <span style="">06:32, 04, 01, 2013

Holy crap. Blur the muzzle, paw, and back shading a bit? 06:53, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 8DD <span style="">07:02, 04, 01, 2013

Blur the stripes just the slightest (that so didn't take me 8 times to spell... psh) bit. ouo 17:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded lol u <span style="">18:06, 04, 01, 2013

Asdf beautiful<3 CBA? 19:21, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Raggedstar (Star) ~ CBA
This pattern assgdfhd Comments? 07:44, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

correct me if I'm wrong, but should this be renamed Raggedstar.df.png or something? -Feather 11:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Uh...what? He's in StarClan. 13:18, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lol I thought it was Brokenstar x.x I mix them up. And I even got the name wrong ouo. Yeah, nevermind xD -Feather 13:48, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'll probably get shot for this, but honestly I can't fine a thing wrong. xD CBA? 17:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Just a quick upload, I forgot the scars on his nose. o3o ` 00:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

This is NOT grounds to un-CBA the image, so senior members, please don't. Can you pretty please define the depth in the eyes? 02:57, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Holy crap I thought you were yelling at me They're the same colour as the leader...unless we change those too. o3o 02:59, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I ended up darkening a little bit of the color in Crookedstar's eyes. I dunno, it's up to you, but I think it would help. And sorry XD This is twice people have been afraid I was yelling at them .-. 03:01, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried. sorry about that xS  03:06, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Firestar (Star) - CBA
Here he is. Comments? 20:22, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thin the shading on the back, brighten the ginger, and add another stripe to the far paw. (I can send you the file for the warrior/dep or leader if you want) 20:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

WHY YOU BE SO EPICAL?! Define the scar where the shading get darker and maybe add some more light in the eye Stupid edit conflicts, Paleh.... >.>  20:49, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. No, I think I'll get it. Thankies cx  20:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

chokes on amazingness Can you blur the shading on the paws just the tiniest bit? ouo 22:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Satureate and lighten the stripes a bit. ouo 00:33, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

ermahgawd this is beautiful .O. Lighten the shading where the rump meets the tail. -Feather 11:58, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading by the rump is fine. 14:07, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. No Misty I can't. >:O   18:35, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded again for critiques in chat. 18:56, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

C to the B to the A? oUo 19:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowfang (star) - Under Evaluation
I know about the white background, I need someone to help me with that since It won't let me save on pixlr, so i had to copy paste onto Paint. I tried to make it as close to Yellowfang in appearence as possible. It sucks, so if it's declined I'll understand.

☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Unthumb the image and....... wait, is there..... uh, is there any shading on this? If there is, define it. But I really don't see any.... 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this is 80% complete. There's no shading, it's pixely, and I believe it's the wrong size. 23:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Changing heading to Under Evaluation, and you have one week to get this up to standards before it's declined. 23:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. It is pixely, wrong size even though it looked ok and the thing. I tried my hardest at this, and I don't think I can do anymore. If it's declined, it's fine. I'll have to try something else and figure out how to get rid of the white background. Someone else can have a better shot at Yellowfang than me.. I can't shade. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

There are some tutorials you can look at the learn from on how to use Pixlr. Pixlr is fairly easy to understand, it just takes practice.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try look at the PCA apprentice tutorials - i've placed a request to join the PCA, so tomorrow I'm going to try and improve this, ok? Never mind about the message I put before this one... I can't try now because I've been on the PC for hours and my eyes are hurting... I'm going to reattempt this, add shading and improve it until it's good enough. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:59, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can help you with this. I don't know what you used to make this image with, but as said, you can use Pixlr, but another good program to use is GIMP, and GIMP is totally free! I'm actually planning on updating my video tutorial on how to use GIMP, I might do that tonight and it would help you greatly I'd imagine. 02:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I need some serious help shading this on pixlr. Can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 15:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Use the dodge tool. It sorta looks like a hair dyer xD But that's the easiest way to shade.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  19:19, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually in my opinion that's one of the hardest ways to shade. Check out the apprentice tutorials for help on anything. 20:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Darkflower (Star)-For Approval
Ohgod this sucks horribly. Well, comments? 22:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

It looks good! I'd add dept to the eyes and make the right ear pink move down to match the lineart and the other ear.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:15, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Is it me or do the eyes look purple?? 01:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

They kinda do, actually. And, define the tail shading. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 01:30, January 5, 2013 (UTC) Actually, define the shading as a whole. Possibly add highlights to give off the illusion of depth. Make the earpink on this ---> side go all the way down, right now it only takes up about half of the ear. 02:52, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded Changes may not be showing. Find it here: http://www.iaza.com/zpages/displayimage.html?CURRENTFILE=/work/130106C/iaza18653836544500.png  20:36, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Silverstream (Alt. Star) ~ For Approval
First time doing this in awhile... comments?  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Rename this Silverstream.star.alt.png 00:17, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste between the tail and belly. 00:24, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can't really tell where the light's coming from 00:29, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Why does she have this alt exactly? The cite for this is for CotC, where she's alive in the image. 00:31, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded; Removed waste and changed name, however, I don't know what to do with the other file, considering I'm not authorized to delete a page or file.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:41, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

CotC was made in Po3, where they are telling stories, and Rock tells Mosskit that her mother was a noble leader, meaning that he is telling stories of StarClan cats. Silverstream died before Bluestar, so she gets this. Lighten the shading, or the highlight if you used it. Gawjus! 02:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The shading needs blurring a bit, too, as well as lightening. -Feather 12:02, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It was made when she was dead, yes, but she wasn't mentioned as this description, she was shown. And she was shown alive. 18:12, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded; I think I made it worse x.x;;  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  19:16, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight is a little too bright; it doesn't look natural in comparison to the shading. Can you tone it down a little? Also, blur the shading/highlight (if there is one) on the throat a littlr more, and make the white look less grey. 20:40, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Willowbreeze (Star) - For Approval
Bleh... I fail 02:29, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see anything wrong with Willow here. He shading is great, stripes match queen charart, and the ear fur is a nice touch. Might want to define it a bit more around the shoulders and butt Hooh54 (talk) 04:20, January 5, 2013 (UTC)Hooh54

I think the shading should be blurred along her back..or whatever that is. o.o

Re-uploaded 04:49, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know who keeps adding the cite, but it is not confirmed that it's Willowbreeze in the StarClan manga. It's a big assumption. This is about the fourth time I've removed the cite. She's not ever properly confirmed in sc, so she wouldn't get an image. 18:30, January 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * But it's Crookedstar going to starclan when he meets her again, meaning she must've been in starclan 20:48, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

He was in StarClan with the cat that's assumed to be her. We know that much. But we don't know the cat he's with is her. It never mentions her once. Judging by what she says, yes it probably is her, but we have no confirmation so it'd be an assumption. 21:29, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Crookedstar (Star) - For Approval
It's so much fun working with this pattern again! And it was fun doing the crooked jaw! I moved the bottom whisker over a little because otherwise it looked odd. I just noticed some waste by the tear in his ear, I'll go ahead and fix that so no need to tell me. 02:45, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely beautiful. But I think you forgot the whites in his eyes. 02:47, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I did! Doh! 02:48, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mouth looks a little derpy with the smile, maybe remove the kitty smile a bit? The pattern is great and fits the original chararts of Crooked, although the shading and highlights are a tad bit on the bland side. Do define them more, but otherwise he is gorgeous. Hooh54 (talk) 04:18, January 5, 2013 (UTC)Hooh54

Should the nick in his ear be deeper? Or larger or something? I dunno how to explain it, but you get what I mean.

I think the mouth is fine. x3 04:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I love this<333 Also, the stripe going down his back, should that be right on the spine? It looks a bit wonky ouo -Feather 12:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It is along the spine. It doesn't go right down the back. 18:06, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the front leg and face shading, it's a bit flat. 18:33, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Shellheart (St) ~ For Approval
Damn, I'm sexy. Alas, there was nothing in CP to suggest he lost the ruffled look in StarClan. Ah well. Comments? 19:31, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Could you lighten him to match his other images? 19:42, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

He's the same color as his elder image, I just have thicker shading on this one. But I could tweak that a bit. 19:56, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, thin the shading a lot then. Also, the light in the eyes is very gray and makes them look miscolored. Make them white or at least lighten them. 20:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the "highlights" 20:49, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hailstar (Star) - For Approval
Ok, I lost the layers for Larksong, so this is pretty much my backup, but I love him<33

So, comments?

-Feather 21:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)