Forum:AFTER FIRESTAR???

Who is going to be the ThunderClan leader after Firestar? Any ideas? Maybe StarClan won't trust Brambleclaw. Maybe it'll be Brackenfur. What do you think??? Ambergaze 20:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Brackenfur would make a good leader, but It woul be cool to ha Cinderheart as leader.

I look at the list of ThunderClan cats in Outcast and thought that Graystripe, Sandstorm, and Dustpelt would retire before Firestar dies. Brackenfur, Thornclaw and Brightheart also seem like they might retire. Cloudtail, Ashfur and Ferncloud each have their own major faults in potentially becoming deputy (Cloudtail does not belive in StarClan, which is important if he were leader. Ashfur has a bad temper, and Ferncloud is much to caring.) Sorreltail seems like the next choice, but she seems like she might die soon in battle. Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight seem like good choices, but would Brambleclaw be able to live with the stress of being deputy until Firestar dies? I do not think so. Younger cats such as Spiderleg, Birchfall, Whitewing, Berrynose, Hazeltail, and Mousewhisker seem good, but Whitewing seems like the most likely one. Personally, I think that Cinderheart] will grow to become the leader folllowing Firestar. * swifty  *  21:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Anyone besides Brambleclaw is good with me. - Darkpaw

I agree with *swifty*. It should be Cinderheart that will be deputy. --Amberleaf 00:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I think that Cinderheart would be a good deputy. She seems good to me. She's full of enthusiasm and is always happy, except when she's got tasks to do :-) 76.22.221.79 00:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Brambleclaw will die, Cinderpaw will get her warrior name and apprentice, Graystripe, Sandstorm, and Cloudtail will become elders, Cinderheart will become deputy, Firestar dies, and Cinderheart becomes Cinderstar. --Rainpaw 20:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that could actually happen!!! I'd like to see Cinderheart as Clan leader. She seems like she'd be a good one too!!! --Amberpaw 01:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I think that Graystripe's going to get killed sooner than Brambleclaw. Then by Long Shadows (the 5th PO3) Cinderheart will be a warrior, have an apprentice, and be made into deputy. Firestar will die in a battle, and Cinderheart will be Leader. --Amberleaf 01:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Graystripe deserves to live longer than that. But the Cinderstar theory makes sense because that may be the path that StarClan laid out for her, but she didn't get to take it because of that darn leg. --Rainpaw 20:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

What about Brambleclaw? He is deputy,so doesn't that make him the next leader? Or am I missing something? But,Cinderheart would make a great deputy someday. What about Lionblaze? Or Hollyleaf? Hollyleaf wants to be Clan leader,for that matter.Wildflower 22:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

We were thinking Brambleclaw would die before Firestar. I think Vicky Holmes actually said something that was like she had Brambleclaw's death scene planned out or something like that.--Rainpaw 20:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, she said she had FIRESTAR's death scene all planned out. I went to a Reading/Discussion/Signing last night and she told us that. --Ambergaze 11:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

These are the two warriors I hope NEVER become leader of ThunderClan: Berrynose and Ashfur! Berrynose is so rude and full of himself, and Ashfur just seems too into revenge. --Amberleaf 00:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. But then I don't really want Firestar to die anyway, but if Vicky said he would, I guess we'll just have to face it!--Rainpaw 21:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I will miss Firestar... I mean he was the one wwho got the whole series started!I think Ashfur will be the deputy and Brambleclaw will do something.--Jayfeather113 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I think Hollyleaf should become leader, maybe Brambleclaw will appoint her as deputy. Firestar's getting really overused...I want to see him die! I also don't want Mistyfoot to become leader after Leopardstar, then too many of Firestar's friends would be leaders (Onestar, Mistyfoot) and the books would just be spoiled. Sonia 1000 16:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Dang...Firestar's gonna die?...That's just...a personal blow for me...without Firestar, there would be no Warriors. Tigerstar would have killed Bluestar, and Rusty wouldn't have been made Firepaw, Fireheart, or Firestar...It's like taking the walls...the base...of a house out. There would be no house. If Firestar was never there, Sandstorm would never have had Leafpool or Squirralflight. Without them, Lionblaze, Jayfeather, or Hollyleaf would never have existed...wow...they're taking Warriors out of Warriors...that's just...sad...24.118.64.132 02:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)Wolf

It is sad. It wouldn't feel like Warriors anymore. Old Firestar was the one to start it all, but all things must come to an end. I agree though that Cinderheart would make a great clan leader. Plus, it would make perfect sense.--Icewing 03:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well if its not Brambleclaw, Cinderheart might have a very good chance. I just hate to see Brambleclaw AND Firestar die. --74.232.205.118 17:42, 27 May 2008 (UTC) (Oops forsgot to log in, this is Mousefire)

But I still really think it is all set up for Brambleclaw to be leader like it was with Firestar. You know, Redtail died and Lionheart died and Tigerclaw got exiled and then Bluestar died from athe dog pack and FIrestar became leader. So if Brambleclaw becomes leader, then might appiont Cinderheart as his deputy. Then something might happen with Bramblelclaw and he loses all his lives at once like Tigerstar and Cinderstar shall rule. The thing is I don't think Erin Hunter will kill Brambleclaw. Or will they?--Mousefire 17:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's just a random thought that has to do with Cinderheart, but not about the next leader of ThunderClan: Firestar mentored Cinderpelt (at first) and Cloudtail is mentoring Cinderheart. Firestar is Cloudtail's uncle, and Cinderpelt is Cinderheart's aunt (and that whole reincarnation thing). Oh, and, if Cinderpelt is in love with Firestar, does that mean that Cinderheart might be in love with one of Firestar's desendents? Just wondering, and sorry that I got off topic, -- Rainpaw (Talk!)  18:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

About that ... She might mate with Jayfeather. * swifty  *  19:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe, but then there was that thing where forbidden love is really overused, but yeah, Jayfeather or Lionblaze would be cool. -- Rainpaw (talk!)  18:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Cinderheart's cool. She'd be better than a lot of other cats. Hmmm that might be a lot of destiny for one soul though. Gets born all feisty, breaks a leg, becomes medicine cat, dies, gets reincarnated all feisty again, becomes deputy then leader. I guess that's why she's such an awesome character. Yah, I really can't think of anyone better right now, but I can't see her as leader somehow. But i guess I couldn't picture Cinderheart 1 as med cat either when she was first introduced. Eaglebranch 01:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

WOW- I'm happy about all the wonderful ideas that we've come up with! Great job all! AND i'm now a believer of the Cinderstar Theory! :D Horray! -ThunderClan14 03:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)-

These are all great ideas but I'm afraid I just can't believe them. Think about it. All three series of the books have followed Firestar or his descendants. The next leader of ThunderClan is probably going to be Brambleclaw, Lionblaze or Hollyleaf. Cinderheart IS a great character but to me she just doesn't seem to be leader material. Even IF she grows up to be a GREAT warrior it won't mean she'll become leader, or even deputy for that matter. It's up to the current leader who his/her deputy is going to be and it's unlikely that they'd choose an unexperienced cat. Most likely they'd choose either one of the senior warriors or the younger, but more experienced, warriors such as Birchfall. Aurorastar 14:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

But by the time Firetstar dies, Cinderheart will be an experienced warrior. And we're not saying the books will focus on Cinderheart, we just think she'll become leader. She's not that much of a side character. -- Rainpaw (talk!)  18:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, and just a side-note, if Onestar and/or Ashfoot dies, don't you think Crowfeather would make a good deputy (yes, I know I get off topic a lot)?-- Rainpaw (talk!)  18:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Rainpaw, your off-topic point seems likely. But, these cats are not going to randomly die in Eclipse. The young cats will have time to get older. Breezestar in WindClan, maybe? *  swifty  *  16:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd probablly burn all of my Warriors books if Breezepaw became leader. I'll admit, there  are other cats ready to become leader besides Cinderheart, but she comes across to me as having more to do with the plot than when she was Cinderpelt. Hmmm, here's a thought, Firestar dies and Bramblestar makes either Lionblaze or Hollyleaf deputy because of their powers.  Then something happens to Bramblestar and he dies really quickly like his dad (all nine lives at once).  Then Lionblaze or Hollyleaf become leader.  Man that sounded better in my head. The only problem I can think of with this one is that it's too predictable.  Eaglebranch 19:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this whole thing is crazy! I think Brambleclaw would make a great leader! And face it, it would be a long time before Cinderheart even got her apprentice! 6-month old kittens don't just GROW ON TREES!!! So personally, I think Brambleclaw will be the next leader of ThunderClan! GroceryBag 19:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Hollyleaf or perhaps Whitewing will be leader. And I know all the warrior names:Cinderheart,Lionblaze,Hollyleaf,and Poppyfrost. And PS Cinderpaw hurts her leg a second time!!!

I heard that there is going to be a fourth and final warriors series where Firestar might die. --Anymous-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaymin568 (talk • contribs) 21:06, 14 July 2008

I will be so bummed if Firestar dies! Honestly, i love him! And going on the topic of who is after Firestar if he dies (hopefully not) i think it should be either Brambleclaw, Cinderheart, or Squirrelflight. It should be Squirrelflight is like a total copy of Sandstorm and Firestar mix! She can be serious but also caring like she has for her "kits". And I know this is totally off subject but has anyone heard of the Leafpool and Crowfeather theory? It says this all 3, or at least Hollyleaf and Jayfeather (Jaypaw), are the kits of Leafpool and Crowfeather. (user Firestar4812) 3:48, 10/8/08. My Warriors name is Sandstorm.

Uh, yeah, that's like the biggest controvercy in warriors history. I personally think it's Hollyleaf and Jayfeather, and I think Hollyleaf will be leader eventually, with her being so much like Bluestar.--Shaf Girl 02:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)User:Shaf Girl

I think Hollyleaf will become leader! She is really smart and wants to be leader like her father (Brambleclaw)(proof that she is his daughter!) Anyway I think I would be nice to see HOLLYSTAR on the allegiances page in one of the books.--Thornpath 02:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)Thornpath I think Foxpaw would be a good leader.Maybe we would see LEADER:FOXSTAR in one of the books.--Silentmoon01 21:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC) 15:44, 4 December 2008(UTC)

As far as leaders, my first choice would be Cinderheart, then Whitewing, and finally Hollyleaf. I have a hunch that it will be Cinderheart, but I want it to be Whitewing. F x  C  13:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

For leaders I think that Brambleclaw will become Bramblestar. I think he will choose Hollyleaf to be his deputy. Then Bramblestar will die and Hollystar will rule. I'm not sure who her deputy would be. Also Firestar will die in the Omen of Stars series. I think he dies in the first one called the fourth apprentice. also, i believe in the leafxcrow theory! I'm Mudnose! DONT even think about stealing my name!!!!

I think Brambleclaw will be Bramblestar. Then he choses Brackenfur to be deputy but Brackenfur will retire (like Tawnyspots) and the potential deputeees are Lionblaze, Hollyleaf(like Thistleclaw) and Cinderheart (like Bluestar) and since theres a picture of Hollyleaf and a wasteland behind her, she might die an evil cat (like Thistleclaw) and Brambelstar picks Cinderheart to be deputy (like Bluestar). By the was i think the cat on the cover of The Fourth Apprentice is Cinderhearts kit. Somehow she or he will be important to the series (obviously). Sandwich 898  23:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ummm... I'm not sure what all this "Hollyleaf and a wasteland behind her" thing is, but to me, it just looks like it's winter behind her for me :\

Well not really a wasteland, but like a deserted place. Something like Shaf Girl said. Sandwich 898

The cat on the cover is definitely whitewing's. Anyways I am not sure but why is everyone thinking that cinderheart will become leader. Most probably it will be Hollyleaf or Lionblaze. To me cinderheart seems like an unlikely option. Brambleclaw will not select her I am afraid. Even if Irambleclaw dies early, Firestar will select an older cat like Mousewhisker, Cloudtail, etc.

I think that Brambleclaw will die before Firestar. Firestar will then choose either Lionblaze or Hollyleaf to become deputy and die shortly after.220.255.7.192 09:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Correction to my previous statement. Firestar most probably will select Lionblaze as his deputy. Hollyleaf dies in sunrise.So does HoneyfernGoldenBlaze 13:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that Firestar should die because he is young. But I think that Brambleclaw should get killed and that Graystripe will be the deputy again and become Graystar if Firestar dies, or that Graystripe should die and Brambleclaw will become Bramblestar if Firestar dies. But I think that before Firestar dies, Blackstar and Leopardstar should die for their evil deeds in the past ( killing Rosetail and helping kill Stonefur for Blackstar, and Leopardstar let her deputy die). But I think that the Warriors Saga should end before Firestar dies. It's getting too long. Also, Hollyleaf is too ambitious like Tigerclaw to become leader. She can't be trusted. I also think that if Brambleclaw becomes leader, Graystripe should be his deputy because he has experience of being deputy and vice-versa. Also, someone mentioned that Jayfeather should become leader. He can't because he is a medicine cat. I would like to see Brackenfur become Brackenstar also. He is loyal, young and isn't used that much in the saga. But Cinderheart is too young and inexperienced to become leader and so are Lionblaze, Berrynose, Mousewhisker, and Hazeltail.

-Swiftpath on April 10, 2009

Yeah but as you said Firestar is young. If he was to die Graystripe, Sandstorm, longtail all are gonna be pretty old. By the time firestar dies lionblaze, mousewhisker, birchfall all will be around the average age of 4-5 years I believe. However,cloudtail could become leader after all.GoldenBlaze 05:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Umm... I kinda doubt Cloudtail will become leader. He doesn't believe in StarClan, remember? How would that work, a leader without contact with StarClan? They would have to rely on the medicine cat. They couldn't even get their 9 lives!! (like Scourge)

Thistlestar 07:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC) Thistlestar

Yeah maybe but there are cats that would give cloudtail is nine lives. Maybe once he's like deputy or something he may change his perception. Anyway it was a guess.GoldenBlaze 11:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Very true. Thistlestar 20:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)Thistlestar

I think Brambleclaw would be an ok leader but not the best choice. Also you guys were talking about Cinderheart becoming leader i think that would be real bad because shes already been medicine cat and it sort of wouldnt be fair to have her getting so many importnat positions in the clan. I think mabye Brackenfur would be the best leader at the moment or mabye Squrrielflight because there sensible hard working cats and would do the best for the Thunderclan!!!

MOONFEATHER

No.. Cinderpelt was a medicine cat. Cinderheart has her own set of acheivements ad her own personality. She could be leader. Silvertree ♥  10:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Cinderheart doesn't seem like she is experienced enough to be a leader. Brackenfur would be. Graystripe and Sandstorm are good choices, but Brambleclaw is too much like Tigerclaw. He worked with Hawkfrost in Sunset and even though he saved Firestart, he still can't be trusted. And Goldenblaze. how do you know that Honeyfern and Hollyleaf will die in Sunrise?

-Swiftpath

1. Brambleclaw can be trusted

2. On Amazon it said in the Browse inside that Honeyfern and Hollyleaf die in Sunrise. Sandwich 989

-Dolphinstar~Hollyleaf would make a great leader! But I dont want Firestar to die! He is like the 1# warrior!! ! I am a beleiver in the Cinderstar theory!~! Anyways,The Omen Of The Stars Series isn't a thunderclan book! Its from Riverclan's point of veiw! By the way,go to www.warriorcatscountry.wetpaint.com for roleplays of warriors! Also go to www.sites.google.com/site/warriorcatsworldcom/ TYPE it exactly like that or it wont work! -Dolphinstar-

No, it's from Ivykit/paw and Dovekit/paw's point of view. They are the sister kits of Whitewing and Birchfall. They have no brothers.

Firestar can't die! He was the best leader ever!

Just go up to Firestar and brambleclaws death and a lot of questions will be reavealed and answered User:FirestarJJK8