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Dark Whiskers (SC) - For Approval


The key word is blur. The shading and highlights must be blurred together to make the pelt smooth and not blotchy. Use the smudge tool and the blur tool together, do whatever you can to make it a blend of light and dark, and not patches of light on a dark pelt. Everything else looks fine, Shaf. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, where did it say that he was black? His description on his page just says that he's a big, thick-furred tom. Bring the highlight on his forehead down a bit towards his muzzle. Scarlet wind Medicine cat of SolarClan 15:55, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

His page says "large, thick-furred black tom". Even check the allegiances of Long Shadows if you don't believe me. Shaf, are you still working on this? 21:47, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! My bad! Darken the shading his left, hind leg. Scarlet wind Medicine cat of SolarClan 23:19, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still working on this. Forgot the date that the project opened again. :P--Shaf Girl  16:03, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I blurred the highlights profusely, but I think all that did was make them smaller and more prominent.--Shaf Girl  16:20, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights look very small. Make them bigger and less concentrated-- 00:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I kinda redid the entire thing. :3 Shaf Girl  05:40, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink. Maybe instead of brightening the highlights, you can just darken the shading, or try brightening the highlights to see what it would look like-- 06:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather (K) - For Approval


Take the smudge tool to it. Make the stripes look like faint feathers brushing the pelt, using the images on Creekfeather for reference. The shading needs to be less blocked, and more subtle like shadow. You may even have to completely redo. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? 21:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still working on this, don't worry. I'll reupload it tomorrow--my computer's being slow right now. Foggy Latin Freak 03:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy (Alt. Queen) - Withdrawn by User


Shade the strip of white on her back, where the shading ends. If the background is transparent, the shading should have no effect on the background. I see nothing else wrong. Nice job, Elorisa. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the back. 22:26, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I color-picked this, and it needs to be a very very light gray/silver. (barely white) Yours is completely white, change that, but other that and the other stated, it looks good. 22:28, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to withdraw this because I have no time to do it, between school and other wikia duties I have. Someone else can free to work on this. 03:23, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

There's little left to be done; I'll take over. -- 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Make the shading along the back less blotchy. 03:31, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sagepaw (A)- For Approval


Blur all shading thoroughly, particularly that on the haunch. Other than that, very nice, Dovesong12. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

This is great! Blur the tail shading and the shading on the back. -- 20:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'll get right to it. Merry Christmas! o3o 15:50, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Had to rename it. <font color="Red" >Merry Christmas! <font color="Green" >o3o 17:02, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading a little.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 17:08, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Sagepaw.apprentice.alt, or it will not show up on his page when it's approved. 11:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Make the highlights brighter. -- 20:07, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

This is his actual apprentice form, I'll rename it Sagepaw.apprentice. Will get to later. <font color="Red" >Merry Christmas! <font color="Green" >o3o 21:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, that's what I meant... so many people name the alternate apprentice images wrong, it was just automatic for me to write that. Thanks for pointing that out! :) 21:58, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more noticeable. 03:32, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dawnstripe (Q) ~ For Approval


Setting 24 hours before approval. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I still think the stripes could be a tad bit more noticible. Nice job otherwise! 03:34, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 20:08, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I think I accidentally deleted it so I copied it from here. I did my best to make the stripes more visible and blur the shading more. &#123;&#123;Nosubst&#124;User:Dappleclaw/sig}} 03:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does the entire thing look blurred? Maybe it's my eyesight failing.. 18:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

You're right... it's making my eyes hurt. Sharpen the image. 21:45, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I tried, but it looks fine on my gimp file, so let me know if you see a difference. &#123;&#123;Nosubst&#124;User:Dappleclaw/sig}} 22:41, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine now. There is a pixel of white in her chest fur, fill that in. 22:45, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think the stripes need to be more defined still-- 07:10, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Um I think the only fundamental problem is that, in her warrior image, Dawnstripe's stripes are paler than the usual fur tone. But in this image, they are darker. Not that it matters too much, but I still think it's worth noticing. 13:57, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

@Starrlingflight: What you're saying is like saying, "a zebra has black stripes". It's the exact same thing as saying "a zebra has white stripes". 00:12, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pouncetail (Alt. A) - For Approval


Setting 24 hours before approval. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can hardly see the shading and highlights. Umm, add more of them, I guess. 22:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I can see the shading that they have, but I think that they should add a bit more, like down onto his bottom, and shade his tail. Then blur the shading and highlights. 00:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 21:49, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I will take over. -- 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Birchfall (Alt. A) - For Approval


Blur so that the pelt is smoothed, and not blotchy. Use the blur tool and smudge tool, whatever you can, to smooth out the patches of light and dark so it all runs together smoothly. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? If so, blur the shading a lot. 21:50, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I will take over. -- 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Macgyver (W) - For Approval


All the patch transitions and ear pink must be blurred. Shading needs to be added; use the burn tool to add shading along the back, chest, tail, legs and head. You may want to withdraw this and work with our art tutorials on your own, to learn about shading, before you continue to work on this. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink looks very unnatural. Try using a different, less neon shade, and blur it as well. -- 20:22, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Rainear, are you still working on this? -- 07:11, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

I will take over. -- 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry if to be sounding like I'm nagging, but Bramble may I take over the image? You've taken over a lot of images since the project has just reopened and it seems like a lot on your plate. If not, thats fine since I know you can handle it as leader.--<span style="color:#00A1E0; background:silver; border:3px dashed gray; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:#00A1E0">Shimmerpool ★Follow the stars...☆ 00:32, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Blur patches.<font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:19, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Birchfall~Alt (ki)~


Ear pink desperately needs to be blurred; take care not to blur the lineart. Make the pink color fade into the gray, so it is not popping out. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Background also needs to be transparent. 03:35, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

ok i'll get right on itMaplepool 23:00, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

There is one pixel that you are missing; on the back foot. 22:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  hows that? Maplepool 23:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

oh i see a mistake allow me to fix it before you comment on it^^ Maplepool 23:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok NOW you may comment Maplepool 23:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please rename it Birchfall.kit.alt.png there is an extra period there. Darken the shading, make the ear pink more reddish, darken the nose colour-- 04:33, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You are still missing that extra pixel. Make the ear-pink smaller. 16:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading more. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 05:14, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

The backgound still isn't transparent. 21:43, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

um dumb question how do i make the background transparent? lol^^; sorry i dont know how...Maplepool 14:58, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

I can do it for you. 23:25, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

oh PLEASE do it frostheart...I have no clue how^^; and when you do tht i'll make the changes. Maplepool 23:54, November 27, 2010 (UTC) I WAS HERE!

nvm...i'll make the changes then frostheart,if she'll be nice enough,will make it transparent Maplepool 02:50, November 28, 2010 (UTC) I WAS HERE!!

 Reuploaded  there i did some extra and if frostheart will mke the background transparnet i'd owe her one ^^ Maplepool 03:10, November 28, 2010 (UTC) I WAS HERE!!

Make the ear pink darker. Also, make the highlights brighter and darken the shading. Blur the shading on the tail and on the haunch. -- 20:09, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Birchfall.kit.alt 01:55, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  gah^^; i already did Birchfall.alt.kit.png so to upload it i had to add the two...^^; embarssining... Maplepool 03:40, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the wait, I forgot. :P And I can't upload it, it reverts it to a past..photo. o_o So..I'll tell you how. XD You get the wand tool (looks like a wand. :3) and you click on the background. The kit image has a few loose pixels, so you have to click the strays and erase them. After you click the background, you select the erase tool and erase the background. 03:51, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

ok,thanks^^,I'll get it after school Maplepool 04:05, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  hows that?..i hope i got it... Maplepool 22:43, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

dang i didnt....hold on let me fix that Maplepool 22:45, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading along the edges of his fur where you made it darker. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:49, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  there ows that?

Make the ear pinks more even and triangular. 03:34, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded Hows that? Maplepool 22:21, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Make the earpink fit into the ears. When we say "make it more triangular" we don't mean make it into a perfect triangle, but make it less blobby. Y'know? Also, make the earpink shade a little less violent and blur it a lot. 23:55, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  there hows that? Maplepool 01:52, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

The background should be transparent. Great image, though! 04:19, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  thre got it^^ Maplepool 13:24, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Darkstripe (Alt. W) - For Approval


Much too dark. Lighten the entire image, and then blur/smudge to smooth the highlights together with the entire pelt, so it blends together and takes the appearance of a natural pelt. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Done. 20:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before approval? (It was seconded by Bramble, and she asked me, so...yeah ;D) 02:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights still look like they need blurring to me. 06:01, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

They can't blur anymore, I tried. 17:34, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Move the bottom part of the highlight on his shoulder up a bit and bring the bottom part of the highlight on his flank a bit higher. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 05:13, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that the image needs the highlights to be moved. However, they do need to be less dark. I would smudge the pelt color into the highlights, blur it, and then redo the highlights. 16:21, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, this is awesome, Icy! ;) Could you make the ear pink a little bigger? It seems a tad small right now. -- 20:10, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Looks too bright. Maybe try using the burn tool or redo the highlights. ❄Blizzardfur❄ Albino Beauty❄  22:11, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: I re-did highlights and shading, then made the ear pink a different colour. 23:04, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the highlights and blur haunch highlight. Make ear pink triangular -- 01:04, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Happy first day of December everyone ;D 01:39, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink bigger-- 02:16, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: 00:41, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Brighten the ear pink -- 01:53, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Minnowtail (Alt.Ki)


Add some shading and blur thoroughly, so the pelt is smooth. Darken and soften the ear pink, so it does not stand out so much. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

'Reuploaded. 'I sorta re-did it. I think I need more blurring, though. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 19:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I can't see the lineart at all; the pelt color is too dark. Try using a lighter very dark gray color. -- 20:17, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Add shading and lighten pelt color, also maybe make the ear-pink a little bigger.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made it lighter and earpink is enlarged. But I still think the highlights should be blurred. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 23:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's better, just maybe add some more lighter highlights on the chest and face.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 23:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's still too dark. If you can't make it any darker, that's okay. :) Also, there is a stray pixel on the far right paw that you should fill in. -- 23:26, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Grr... black cats are not my strong point. Let me guess. I have to make it lighter. Mistfire Owl City! 17:03, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, make it lighter a tad. :3 Then try to make the ears even (the shape). 17:06, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Lightened it. Mistfire Owl City! 17:18, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink and darken the shading. You may want to add a few highlights to make it look less flat.-- 07:13, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Added more highlights and blurred earpink, but I couldn't shade anymore because it was too hard to blur. Mistfire Owl City! 16:08, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink the same size and maybe add some more lighter highlights.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 16:12, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Mistfire Owl City! 16:18, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink is a hot-pink; tone it down, it's also kinda blotchy. Make the nose a dark gray. 23:23, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fixed earpink and nose and blurred shading a little more. Mistfire Owl City! 18:40, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Setting 24 horus before approval. 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Good job, Mistfire! =) Although I still think the ear pink could be fixed. The right ear pink is smaller than the left, and it looks sorta crooked. -- 20:12, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Minnowtail.kit.alt 01:56, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt. Kit)-For Approval


There is blurred lineart around the yees, which needs to be fixed. The shading on the kit's left side is too thick; lighten some of it in the center and blur the rest, to make the pelt look smoother. The kit also looks cross-eyed; make the pupils in the same position in both eyes. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I completely redid the image because my previous one was so terrible XD. I've fixed the eyes, shading, and pupil location. Thanks, Bramble! ^_^ -- 20:17, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading into oblivion xD 22:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Nice pun, Oblivion! ^_^ Better? -- 20:16, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. Just darken the shading around the arms, back leg, tail, and head. 20:33, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh wow, this looks so nice! All I can say is make her a more gingery colour, she looks golden right now. 05:59, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Thanks, Icy, Mosspool! :) How does she look now? -- 17:54, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink less of a hot pink, and make it a tad smaller. 01:38, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe lighten her a bit, she's a tad dark. 04:01, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Thanks for the tips, guys! ^-^ I've lightened it, fixed the ear pink, and corrected a mistake in the eyes that I didn't see before. What do you think? -- 18:03, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink. Darken the shading-- 07:19, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Done. -- 00:03, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the shading or desaturate her body, her fur looks brownish by her back legs. 20:19, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I've very slightly dodged her body, but if it needs more work, tell me. :) -- 20:30, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading under the chin.-- 00:26, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Plumwillow (A) - For Approval


Either lighten the shading on the back or get rid of the highlight next to it by darkening it. Then blur thoroughly. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sunspirit, are you still working on this?-- 07:22, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

I will take over. -- 20:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sweetpaw (Alt. Kit) - For Approval


Return the lineart to its original color on the face; it has been paled. We'll see how it looks after that. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded 04:48, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic. All I see is that the mottled spots could be darkened a tad. And the ear pink could also be darkened. 22:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:40, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

It sorta looks like the ear pink in the right ear is darker than the ear pink in the left ear. Can you fix that? If not, looks great! -- 02:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think the right ear is darker because of the shading. 05:37, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. =) Never mind. Looks good. -- 20:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The shading needs to be darkened a little, mostly on the bottom. Otherwise, it looks great! 22:16, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded 04:05, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Cora (W) - For Approval


Lighten the entire image and blur thoroughly to get rid of the pixel-y texture. Everything else looks fine. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can do that. Be back soon! 00:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mapleshade (W) - Withdrawn by User
Yeah, laugh it up, it's terrible. Bring on the comments! Let me guess, the orange is too bright? You know what, there really is an advantage to staying up late! XD 05:46, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the patches together more. This looks great!-- 06:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

As Nightshine said, blur the patches; right now they look too separated. This is fantastic! -- 20:19, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The gray/black splotches look...kinda un-natural somehow. Maybe change the pattern, instead of keeping it as the dip and hill thing. XD Nice name I gave it, eh? 20:23, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

http://calicocat.info/calico-cat/calico-cat-1.jpg I sorta referenced off this cat. I want it to look like this. . . I love her pattern. I don't know. . . . xD I guess I can try and change it a bit, yeah. 21:53, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, Dovesong. All I see that the shading ion the black transistion should be darkened, and all the patches should be evenly blurred together. Other than that, it's marvelous. 22:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading and, like everyone else said, the transitions. Good job :) 22:04, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm re-doing a lot of it XD I found a copy with better shading, I guess I re-did and forgot about it, and also I think Frostheart is right about the patches so I'm changing them completely XD 22:08, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

VERY good but blur the patches like said they seem very um ah unreal to meal blur them that should fix it other than that its awesome Maplepool 23:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe try smudging the patches a tiny bit? It looks sorta cartoony. :3 16:34, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I was going to, but then I forgot about it XD I'm gonna try changing the shade of ginger. . . it looks really bright to me. 21:44, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Umm, I tried again. . . better or worse? Not too sure about this. ..

Wow, this is wonderful! The only thing I can see is between that space between the forearm and haunch that's usually transparent is gray. Make that transparent again, please. Good job! Holly dapple  01:17, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Looks wonderful! There's a smudge of gray on the tip of her tail that could be blurred a bit more. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 04:00, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I hate to bring this up because the charart is really good, but i just finished Night Whispers, and she was never accutally called a tortie, just white and orange. only the authors called her a tortie. This would kinda be like that alternate. 05:42, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

OH! Really? Well, I want this to be her official image and I am not to fond of this anyways, so I will change it and make her only white and orange. Thanks, Iceheart! XD 01:57, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'd just like to point out that we do create descriptions by what the authors say, so this image is completely fine. And no, that does not mean she needs an alternate orange and white image. 02:10, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

While we do create descriptions based on what the author says if she appeared in the book as orange and white than her main description should match. 02:30, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Dude shes tortie we go with what the authors say not the book if the book SAID it then is more than likely a mistake the the erins didnt catch nor the proof reader IF we must do a orange and white pic i may be her Alt image but,in the ernin hunter chat it was said the shes a 'big tortie she cat with amber eyes and is cold and decated to revenge' not ginger and white

lol sorry bout' the rant...^^; Maplepool 03:20, November 28, 2010 (UTC) sadly,I was here

Ummm. . . . no. We go with what the books said, not what the authors said before they published the book. They may have changed their mind, or described her as ginger and white in the books before the chat, then forgot and addidentally said she was a tortie. They always make mistakes like that. Yeah, if the books say she's ginger and white, she's ginger and white. 03:48, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

umm...no look at what Obloivion said....well mabye should we ask Bramble cuz none of us agree?(not a threat just asking cuz like none of us know...) Maplepool 03:54, November 28, 2010 (UTC) I WAS NEVER HERE!

I looked at what Oblivion said. . . . I didn't like mine anyways, so why not just do the other one? Oblivion, the authors once said Cinderpelt was pale gray but we never gave her an alternate image for that. When was it ever decided that we do do images for what the authors say in chats? And if she was only ever described as orange and white in the books, never tortoiseshell, then her image is orange and white, not tortoiseshell. 07:20, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's fine leaving it orange and white. Darken the ear pink. darken the shading on the orange parts, darken the tail shading.-- 07:27, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

It should be orange and white, because, as Mosspool said, the authors always make mistakes - maybe they changed their mind. She was mentioned as an orange and white cat all throughout the book, not just once, as a mistake. 07:30, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well,I asked Bramble,so hopefully we'll get this squared away...cuase im like very confused but,if she says it stays,lighten the earpink then blur it other than that its great^^ Maplepool 15:50, November 28, 2010 (UTC) I was never here YOU CANT PROVE ANYTHING!

I think you are all focusing too much on a calico cat, not a tortoiseshell. There are differences between the two; calico has distinct patches, while a tortoiseshell can be blurred together. Like this fellow here there may not be solid black in the pelt. If it is found later on (cough-Crookedstar's Promise-cough) that she does have black on her pelt, we can add it in easily. It's not like the images are set in stone. Keep it orange and white now (which still does count as tortoiseshell, theoretically) and we can decide what to do later if she is described as a tortoiseshell in the book. Dovesong, keep going on this version. 20:29, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the neck. 20:51, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok,thanks Bramble^^ and,as i said before,lighten the ear pink then blur it 71.164.203.114 14:39, November 29, 2010 (UTC) IM BACK FROM KANSAS!!!

Phenomenal, Mosspool! ^_^ Blur the shading on the chest fur. -- 20:15, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, leaving the Wiki due to real life obligations. I guess someone else could take this over now. Sorry guys. 05:09, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Unless I have to get Sagepaw approved first, I can take over. <font color="Red" >Merry Christmas! <font color="Green" >o3o 21:56, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Dovesong, but you do need to get Sagepaw approved. Anyone else who isn't working on anything can take over this, though. 22:17, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion this is a different Dovesong. She can keep this can't she? 22:36, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. I can take over. 22:43, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy (Alt. Queen) - For Approval
So many things wrong with this charart...This is my first one for the project! 07:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Make the patch on the forehead a bit thinner, and darken the shading. Great image! 07:43, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink more noticeable. 15:12, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. It's barely visible. -- 20:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

~Reuploaded~ 23:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think the ear-pink can still be slightly darker, other then that it's really good.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#0000CC">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 01:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the ear-pink is still un-noticeable. Shouldn't you color in the nose? 04:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

~Reuploaded~ 05:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Smudge the patch on her paws a bit more. 20:36, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlight on the stomach a bit more. 04:27, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the patch on her lower haunch by her tail a bit more. Looks lovely so far! <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 17:39, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Can you darken the ear pink a tad? It looks a little light to me. :) -- 20:16, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think the ear-pink color is fine. 00:19, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind then...XD. Darken the tail shading maybe? This is amazing! -- 01:45, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Palefoot (W) - For Approval
Comments? <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  14:05, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

This looks great! Add a few smaller stripes to his shoulder and haunch, lighten the ear pink and make it a bit bigger.-- 17:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading on the back? Looks superb! -- 20:21, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink could be slightly bigger, other then that it's really good :)<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:26, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the stripes on the tail. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:58, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is me, but there seems to be a very thin line of shading and then a 'fat' brush of shading again. This is located on the chest area, could you blur or fix that? Add some shading to the back legs. 04:53, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Comments? <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  16:42, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's beautiful, Rainbreath. ^-^ Can you blur the shading on the back and also blur the ear pink? -- 20:19, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink as well-- 06:23, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the chest shading 03:36, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Better? <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  13:34, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't shows the right picture on my pc. =( The right picture is the one with the lightest ear pink. <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  13:41, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Daisytail (Q) - For Approval
Wow...I can't believe it! My first charart here in a LONG time. I'm not so good with patched cats...oh well. Comments?  HA WK FI RE98  15:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this to the correct section; next time, please put this in the charart section. There is some blurred line-art on the tail, legs, and the ear. The highlights look a tad bit blotchy too. 15:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the shading on the muzzle, it looks good so far. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 20:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the patches a lot. 22:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Add some highlights to her muzzle, shoulder, and haunch with the dodge tool and turn her nose pink. Looks nice so far. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading, and move up and shape her ear pink a bit, it's sort of low down and lopsided right now. There is also some blurred lineart on the haunch, tail, and some more just above the base of her tail, and then some more on her farther front leg. Oh, and a little bit on her back near her shoulder. I hope you can find all that XD (It's all just tiny smudges) 05:55, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Make the patches look more orange. Besides that, it looks great! ❄Blizzardfur❄ Albino Beauty❄  17:06, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the muzzle and fix all the blurred line-art. 18:43, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I fixed all blurred lineart, made patches orange, darkened shading and brightened highlights, and fixed ear pink. Whew! XD (BTW, the lineart on the ear is not blurred. It's just the ear pink.)  HA WK FI RE98  20:23, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

The muzzle still looks a little dark and maybe make the patches more orange and less red. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 20:28, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Make the brown lighter and make sure the ear pink doesn't touch the line art. -- 05:58, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Run the blur tool over the shading a bit to smooth it out. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:09, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Change the eye so she doesn't look cross-eyed. Try to look at another queen image to see an example. 02:00, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

umm are you still working on this? if so shes crossed eyed!! Maplepool 01:51, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Patience, Maplepool. The two most powerful warriors are patience and time, as Leo Tolstoy quotes. :) It appears to me that there is a faint scar on her shoulder. Is it supposed to be there? If not, I suggest you remove it. -- 01:44, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blackstar (Alt. L)- for approval
Comments? 23:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. =) Blur the shading all around. -- 23:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Make the background transparent as well. 23:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink.-- 00:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink and shading a ton, and maybe make the highlights brighter. 00:41, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blue the ear pink. 05:52, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Make his nose the same color as the ear pink. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 05:08, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

No, don't make it pink, just make it a lighter black. Usually black cats have black noses. 18:46, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

We have a black cat (he's semi-ours) and his nose is more grayish. Mistfire Owl City! 18:52, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

For some reason it always just shows the old version. I'll try to reupload it again later and see if it's working. 05:03, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I hope you've thoroughly blurred it in the new version, because that is exactly what it requires; blurring both on the ear pink and the pelt. 09:01, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sootfur (alt. W) - For Approval
First black (or gray-black) cat for me. Sootfur was mentioned as "gray black" in Sunset three times before his burial. I worked hard on him, so I hope he turned out pretty well! I may lighten him up a touch soon. Holly dapple  01:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the haunch shading a little. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 02:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the face highlight, near the neck. 02:04, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Looks lovely! The highlight on the tip of the tail looks a bit out of place to me... Maybe bring it down a bit? <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:49, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. A little blotchy to me. Needs quite a bit of blurring. 06:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Amazing job! Could the ear pink be a tad larger? -- 20:24, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I like the earpink as it is. Darken the highlight on his muzzle a bit. 08:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mosspelt (Alt. Q) - For Approval
Comments? ❄Blizzardfur❄ Albino Beauty❄  18:20, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work! =) Blur the shading on the back, blur the ear pink a bit more and extend it higher to the tip of the ear, and make her a bit more golden-brown; refer to Brackenfur, for example, if you need help. She looks somewhere between cream and orange right now. -- 20:04, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded ❄Blizzardfur❄  Albino Beauty❄  21:19, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot. 21:26, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't think it looks any better :/. ❄Blizzardfur❄ Albino Beauty❄  21:38, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the back a lot and make the highlights a little brighter, mostly on the face. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 21:43, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Desaturate the earpink so it isn't such a bright colour. 21:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded ❄Blizzardfur❄  Albino Beauty❄  22:14, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller. 00:18, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink. Darken the shading a bit and blur it. -- 00:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded I had to redo the shading and highlights ❄Blizzardfur❄  Albino Beauty❄  00:45, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink, and maybe make it a little less fushia. 03:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

The shading on the back and belly look like stripes. Lighten and blur well. 09:20, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded There! It looks WAY better! ❄Blizzardfur❄ Albino Beauty❄  18:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the back and on the tail. :) Also, blur the shading on the front paw. - 20:36, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded :D B  l  i  zz  a  r  d  f  u  r  White Cats  Rule Leaf-bare!  22:34, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (Alt. W) - For Approval
Since he was mentioned with green eyes, I gave him those, too. Comments? 21:53, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ooh! Lovely! Add the spiky fur tone. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 22:17, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Added fur tone. 22:21, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Add a few stripes to his forehead. Make the haunch highlight bigger. Blur the ear pink-- 00:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 01:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Make the haunch highlight bigger still, and move it to the left so it's at the front of his haunch-- 02:08, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Could you make the spiky fur more noticeable? Perhaps you can move it, it's kinda hard to see for me with the tabby stripes. This is awesome. :D 02:16, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I made the fur lines darker, hopefully that'll help. 02:28, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Did you see my comment above?-- 02:51, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did, I thought I'd fixed it. 03:12, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, it stills looks the same where the haunch highlight is. Darken the shading around the neck and belly-- 03:15, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Add some texture to the forearms and maybe the tail. XD 15:30, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Changed position of haunch highlight and darkened shading. Frostheart, if you look at his warrior image, you'll see the texture is only on his main body, not on any of his limbs or his tail. 20:26, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Define the ear pink a bit. Make the highlights brighter where the stripes are; it looks unusually dark -- 00:29, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights are fine, however, could you lighten the stripes? It's a large color contrast between the stripes and the pelt color. 00:33, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Defined earpink and lightened stripes. 01:08, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wetfoot (A) - For Approval
Okay, here he is. He's kinda bad right now, so comment fiercely! I shall improve him! 03:22, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten and define his stripes, so they look more like the warrior image's. 03:26, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink a bit. I really like the stripes =) Lighten the shading, it's a little dark looking, but also thicken the shading-- 03:29, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

There is some blurred line-art on the chest. 03:31, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the eaar-pink BUT lighten it,and as Ice heart said ligthen the stripes then define them and fix the blurred on the chest other than that nice ^^ IMPROVE HIM FRECRELY THEN!!!!! Maplepool 03:53, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink doesn't need lightening. 05:08, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

At least blur the stripes; to me they look wispy, not like tabby stripes. I actually think the ear pink should be darkened a bit, only a bit mind you. And the shading looks like of ... pressed and flat for the want of better words. It doesn't give me a 3-D effect. Sorry if that's too unhelpful! 13:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Minor tweaks have been made. I didn't have time for everything. Will work on it later, but it's midnight here. Comments? 08:03, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded (again) Better? 01:49, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

The line art looks like of blurred along the forearms. Thicken the shading-- 02:06, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pikepaw - Declined
For the page, Pikepaw. Crystalstar999

I've moved this image to the right place. Please sign with four tildes when you're on a talk page. Do rename this image as Pikepaw.apprentice.png. Remember to place the image as full sized, which I've done too. As for the image itself, the shading on the haunch and that on the belly is a little intense. Just lighten that and then darken the image overall, because it looks like a pale gray tom, not a dark gray one. Otherwise, great job! =) 13:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Darkhallows has already reserved this image. It will be declined. I think Bramble will issue a 24 hour ban -- 23:52, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Um sorry if I'm contradicting you, but I really think this shouldn't be declined. Darkhallows' version of Pikepaw was already declined. Doesn't that make it allowable for someone else to create his charart? Please correct me if I'm wrong. 10:56, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'm just an apprentice. XD But even though Darkhallows's was declined, this Pikepaw is being declined because Darkhallows still has it reserved on the PCA chart. Basically, whether the image was declined before or not, if it's on the chart, you're never supposed to put it up for approval if you're not the user that reserved it first. At least, that's what I remember :) -- 20:32, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Skipper (Ro) - For Approval
Comments? -- 01:17, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this to the correct section. 01:19, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and also, make the white whiter. XD It looks more like a peachy color. 01:20, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded changed white. -- 01:32, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the ear pink a tad brighter. 02:24, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I think it looks fine -- 02:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Aaaaah! I wanted to do this one! =P. Anyway, yours is way better. There seems to be too much white on the tail and it looks a bit unnatural. Just make it a bit more orange. Otherwise it's fantastic! 08:27, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

The white on the tail looks fine to me. :P But whatever. XD The shading on the haunch looks sorta unusual; kinda triangular. Could you blur it a tad so it reaches the shading to the left of it? This is amazing! =) -- 20:35, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I changed the shading on the haunch. I hope it's what you meant-- 02:40, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the stripes on the legs, right now they're not visible. And arms. 13:13, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

He's actually not a tabby, I just added those for design, so I think it's fine as is. -- 23:17, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ivypaw (Alt.A) - For Approval
Not a very good one. o.o Oh well, comments? XD 01:44, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading, mostly on the haunch =) 02:00, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading and blur the highlights. There is some blurred line art on the forearms -- 02:07, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it is showing the changes.. 02:12, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Ivypaw (TC).apprentice.alt and then we can talk changes. 00:51, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. 01:42, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading more. 01:44, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gorsepaw (Alt.A) - For Approval
Comments?<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 03:30, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink is too big. 03:32, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink and blur it. Darken the shading and add shading on the tail. 13:08, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 21:33, December 2, 2010 (UTC)'''

Make the ear pink more noticeable, and center it. 23:29, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 23:48, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the haunch and blur the rest of the shading. 04:25, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' ❋  Rainwhisper   ❋  22:45, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Tumblekit (Alt. Ki) - Declined


Sorry I didnt realize wrong place...can someone please move it? Thanks.

✿ Spotted leaf ✿ 03:31, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this for you. Add nose colour and blurr the ear pink.-- 04:59, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire thing, add a glimmer to her eye and darken the shading. 05:10, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Spottedleaf, are you even a member of PCA? I've searched the members list and the table, and you're not there. Anyone can suggest improvements, but only members are allowed to offer up images, if I'm correct. Also, Moonpelt1786 already has Tumblekit (Alt. Ki) reserved on the table, if you haven't seen. I think Bramble will issue a 24-hour ban. Please ask to join if you would like to become a member. Thanks, -- 20:37, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Midnite, you're right about the ban, but you don't have to be a member to offer up images. Declining this, and Spottedleaf, you will be issued a ban. 21:27, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks Oblivion. :) I'll remember that for future times. At least I was right about one thing. XD --24.15.212.90 01:36, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Forum Question
Please go here to comment - your input is much appreciated right now. -- 21:26, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Won't Be Active For a Little While
Darkhallows here- not logged on cos I'm lazy.

I won't be on until I get the new book. No spoilers for Shady, nope nope nope. I may not be able to get it until christmas... the store wasn't selling any of the warriors books :(.67.142.170.26 05:00, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Erm...
Hi,im an apperantice of the PCA but my name isnt there...Maplepool isn't there... Maplepool 05:56, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

No big deal. I'll just add you to the list. -- 02:09, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alt. Images
Can a cat have more than one alternate image? Darkstripe, for example, has three different descriptions. Are all three going to be done? If he can have more than one alt. image, may I do one? <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 02:17, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gorsepaw
Ok, I saw on Gorsepaw's page that he is mentioned as having short, thick brown fur and that it was mentioned in Rising Storm. But he doesn't have any information on Rising Storm so should he have an alternate or not? If he should, then may I do it? <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 02:55, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

He did make a short appearance in Rising Storm; I'll add it to his article. So yes, he does need an alternate apprentice image.-- 03:06, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

For the page, Nightkit.

Whoever made the charart for Nightkit, she doesn't have a description so it is unnecessary to make one for her. B l  i  zz  a  r  d  f  u  r  White Cats  Rule Leaf-bare!  21:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blackclaw alternate
His page says that he was described as a brown tom before. I reread that section of the book and was wondering if the brown tom could really be Oakpaw. He was with them and it makes sense for a warrior to be introduced first. I just thought it was strange that he was called smokey black a few lines before being called brown. Any ideas? 22:24, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Could you quote the line from the book? I'd understand better :) 22:52, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Two warriors approached Fireheart and Graystripe. A small brown apprentice tagged after them. Fireheart recognized the gray tabby tom from ShadowClan, but not the smoky black tom who walked with him. 'Hi' meowed the gray tom. 'Hello Wetfoot" replied Fireheart. He glanced at the dark brown cat"

It probably was Blackclaw but it made me think. 23:07, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hi!
I'm interesting in joining this project. I've been toying around with the program "Gimp" for a while now, and making some character arts just for fun. Now I have decided I want to do some that I can post here, and that can maybe be put on the site. If you need me to show what I can do to decide on accepting me or not, no problem. Just say the word. ♫Why don't we go somewhere only we know?♫ 02:54, December 3, 2010 (UTC)HolyPearlsoul

Cinderheart's Charart?
I couldn't find anything about this on any page. Should Cinderheart have an alternate image, since she's been described as dark gray, "identical to Cinderpelt"? And if so, can I reserve it? I'm not sure where you go to reserve either--this will be my first charart--but I couldn't find anything about that, either. So, should she have a charart? And, if so, can I reserve it? Maple  frost!   23:40, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Last time I checked, it didn't have a cite. And you need a cite. 23:43, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, dang it. I'm gonna go root through the books and see if I can find anything...  Maple   frost!   23:45, December 3, 2010 (UTC)