Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Whitewing- for approval


Well I said that I needed to start on something easier to start on, so I did Whitewing. Please critic [but not harshly!:)] Sandwich 989

I sorted the layout so this came under it's own section but the image is not showing up Sandy Talk! 20:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright Sandwich, no more .xcf for you! XD It makes the image into a white box. Use .png or.gif instead. -- Ms T C 20:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I know I know. XD When I was typing in png my dad told me to get off because I was in trouble, and I thought that it didn't save, but it did I guess. So what do you think? I started this because Lionheart was to hard for me. Sandwich 989

I need some help with pixel size on GIMP. Sandwich 989


 * Remember to click on the blank before using it, an I suggest just copying/pasting it, as I do it. Then use the darken tool to shade. I think you have a good second attempt, thouggh. You're just starting out. Plus, this can't be accepted until you get the correct blank size. -- Mallinois Herding Talk 12:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok ill try to find the correct size. Sandwich 989

Here's a blank for you, Sandwich. Color this one in, and you'll get the full size blank. -- Mallinois Herding Talk 01:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't edited this for a while (I have ALOT of Finals due soon!). But i managed to do this in my spare time. Sandwich 989  02:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I say there should be more shading. Many pictures now are bugging me with putting little shading on the backs. No one does it anymore....Look at some of the other accepted white cats for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 03:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The shading needs to be blended more, and you could probably use a little bit more of it too. The ears look too fluro, and there is something wrong with the eyes. -- Dawnfeather 05:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Shading! More is needed on the back (as Shimmer said), head, muzzle, front legs, tail (a little). Also, tone down the ear colour a little and try adding a blacka nd white pixel in the eyes to amke them look...alive. [Someone posted a good example of a close up of an eye on the 'Sandstorm-For Approval' section] Just because she is white doesn't mean the colour has to be flat - take a look at the approved white cats for examples. The shading will help Sandy Talk! 07:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Just to let everyone know I am doing this still im just trying to do it on photoshop.Sandwich 989 22:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok i uploaded a new one. Maybe the eye can have more realistic stuff but |_|. If anyone can help me on shading it will be appreciated.Sandwich 989 03:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Instead of smuding, either use the burn tool, or get a few different shades of darker colours, in order from the outside to the inside for whatever area you want the chading to take up, and then blur them (With the blur tool, not the smudge tool) together. If that made any sense! -- Dawnfeather 07:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Anyone using gimp: can you tell me the shading you use? like the percent thing, the color. All the things you use. Thanks. Sandwich 989 04:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't use GIMP, but I can recommend Pixlr. I just get a few darker colours and then blend them into the pelt gradually becoming lighter. Either that or use the burn/dodge tools -- Dawnfeather 04:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything else I can improve? Even thoguh its probably not the correct way, I myself really like the shading (Im not trying to be conceded or whatever its called)Sandwich 989 01:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(conceited) I'm sorry to tell you this but this is highly unlikely to be approved in its current state as it just isn't up to the standard of teh other images we're currently approving. The shading is okay but it needs to be blended into the pelt to give more natural transitions between colours. The colour looks very flat currently. Also, the ear pink needs to be blended. Sandy Talk! 17:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I try to use the blend tool but its wierd and confusing to me. Once someone tells me how to blend on GIMP it will be awesome I promise!<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hazeltail (For Approval)


I noticed that Hazeltail didn't have any character art, and I love her to death, so I decided to color her! I did my best to try to make her gray markings look realistic. I used a tutorial and a few references to get her to look just right. I'm no expert, though, and any help you can give is greatly appreciated! Also, if something looks wrong, please tell me how to fix it. "It looks bad" doesn't tell me anything. --Goldencloud 00:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * EDIT1 After multiple attempts, I finally got the new version to upload. I separated the gray patches, and gave her white-tipped ears and tail. Also darkened shadows. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT2 I rounded out the splotches. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT3 I randomized the splotches just a little bit. I hope I didn't go overboard again. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT4 Added a bit of shading on the chest, hopefully it looks better now. Thanks everyone for the help! I appreciate it. --Goldencloud 02:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT5 Extended shading up her chest. Also blended shadow of the ear a bit. I hope that's what you meant, Bramble! --Goldencloud 21:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT6 Added shading to back of neck, extended front of neck shading back, and added shading on front leg. Also extended shading up along back of leg. --Goldencloud 19:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT7 Wow, this is a lot of edits! I added a wee bit of shading to the middle back, and more to the back of the neck. Just a little more on chest, also. I hope I nailed all of Dawnfeather's points of concern. --Goldencloud 22:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the problem is that she needs separate patches like Brightheart's not one huge wavy patch. Try putting white in between them. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 01:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did, and I do think it looks better now. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The ear needs some gray or white on it, and there needs to be more shading aroung the outside. Maybe a highlight too? -- Dawnfeather 06:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I put white tips on her ears. I tried giving her highlights, but it was hard to see on top of her white fur. I didn't add shading around the outside because the light-source is coming from overhead, not from the "camera". --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this looks awesome! Sandwich 989
 * Thank you! :D --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

This is very pretty, Goldencloud. I think it might look better though with a patch of gray on the belly, to break up the white a little more in that section. And maybe shrink the ear pink so it doesn't take up the whole ear. Other than that this is beautiful. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bramble! I had added a gray patch on her belly, but it looked odd there so I tried to expand the splotch on her back so there's less white space there. I also shrunk the ear pink a little bit. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the patches look unnatural, try making them more rounded, not all wavy and curvy and random. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 22:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I rounded them off. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it, but, like everyone else said, the patches look wavy..--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 00:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I did round them off a bit, especially the one on her back. It does look a lot better now. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be fussy, but now they look very round, and even. Make then shapes a bit more random. -- Dawnfeather 02:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks awesome, but it could use shading on the chest.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 15:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see what you were referring to now. I added a touch of shading on the chest. Thanks!--Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Warrior's right - shading is also needed on the back Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be shading on the back. The light is coming from over her head, not from the camera. --Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look right having both the veritcal part of her chest and the vertical part of her neck without shading. Chose one to put shading on, but only for that small section. -- Dawnfeather 07:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...okeetay. I think I understand what you're talking about. I added a bit of shading on her chest, is that what you were referring to? --Goldencloud 02:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is very lovely. If you could blend the ear pink a little more and add a touch more shading to the chest, above where there is already shading, this should be ready for approval. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Bramble. Your kind words mean a lot to me! I did extend the chest shading, and blended the shadow of the ear more. Is that what you were referring to when you said I should blend the ear pink? --Goldencloud 21:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Good job. Are there any other comments for improvement? -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

This looks great. Although the patches look wavy, they look good and the shading is good.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989

It still needs more shading on the chest and back.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to be argumentative, but how do you figure that there should be shading on the chest and back? The light source is coming from over her head, so shadows would not be cast on the back or that part of the chest. When light doesn't make shadows on what it directly hits. --Goldencloud 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Warrior, there needs to be much more shading on the back and chest. Also add some to the head too, but not alot. Adding it to the back ear and the forehead should be fine.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, there should not be. I'm really not trying to start an argument or be stubborn, I just want to explain why I'm not adding shading to these spots you say need shading. The light source in the picture is coming from above, therefore the shadows would be on the underside of everything. Shadows don't appear where light is hitting an object. --Goldencloud 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with Goldencloud. The are many parts of the back and chest which are being hit with direct light, but i think that for that to be possible, there are actually a few places tha need shading.
 * Just behind the shoulder
 * a littlebit on the back of the head
 * just below the headd, across the body.
 * just below the shoulder, across the body.

These spots are in shadow because something sticks up just infront of them, or there is a part of the body that is wider than it, etc. If that made any sense. I think that the shading you do have needs to be blended into the pelt more. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done! At least, I think I did what you were saying. I didn't really know what you meant when you said "across the body". Thank you! --Goldencloud 18:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I love her!!! How did you do the eye?!?! It's so realistic!!! -- MU MB LE 785  20:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! *huggles* Doing the eye was pretty easy. Here's a close up of the pixels of the eye. The middle pixel is of course the base color of the eye. The farthest left pixel is a few shades lighter, and the pixels to the right and on the bottom are a darker shade. The white highlight is on top. I hope that helps! --Goldencloud 18:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me for making thiese disgustiong marks on your beautiful picture, but I thought it might help show you where the shading should go. I see that you have done some behind the head, but it could do with some more. The head is wider than the neck, so put some over the body there too. On the back, there is a bit of the shoulder that sticks out, so begind that needs some shading. Also, the shoulder, all the way across the body, is wider than the next bit of cat, so it too will be in a bit of shadow. However, I must agree that this is good, and it should be ready for approval once you have tried these things. In terms of the picture, just open up this one next to your un-spoilt Hazeltail, and refer to the red markings as you go. Hope I helped! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC


 * That's okay, I'm glad you did. Now I see what you were talking about. I hope I got everything okay. Thanks so much for all this help you're giving me. :) I'll have to use the same shading layer for all my future character arts so we don't have to go through all this again. --Goldencloud 22:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Dawnfeather, thats a really good way to show people where to make corrections! If it hasn't been done before, I think you couldve done something really helpful to show people where to make the corrections. You know what I mean?<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 01:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * choking up with emotion* Thanks, Sandwich! I feel touched. :S ;_;  :) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather  10:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bumblekit - Declined

 * I've been wanting to do this lil guy for so long and now I've finally got the chance. There's only a few things I have to say. One, I'm going to make him have a transparent background later on. The second thing I would like to add is, give me feedback on his stripes. I know they are horizontal running across his back, but I can't just picture a cat with straight horizontal lines, so I gave them a little wave at the end. I thought he would have been perfect for a long haired base since Graystripe is after all, but I couldn't get the background to turn white without erasing the outline.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 05:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The stripes and shading on his right (our left) side are too long. You don't need more shading, but the outside edges should be a little bit darker. You might want to try adding a highlight too. -- Dawnfeather 05:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

He needs more shading around the head and the front legs. Also, some of the stripes, particularly on our right, are a little smudged where they've been flicked. I think you were right not to do them straight because a cat is not flat (!) but they shouldn't be smudged Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 07:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated Here he is now. I added some highlight, added the extra shading that was needed, and made the lines darker on his right.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It's better but I don't like the highlights...it looks like he's bene playing in white paint. Perhaps get rid of them, or make them smaller and blend them in more Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a highlight, but it needs to be smaller and blended! -- Dawnfeather 10:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So far, adding highlights has ruined this kit and Eaglekit, so Shim, remove the highlights and I think it will look better. Kits can't handle much highlighting... -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree; I never put highlighting on kits, just some well-blended shading. :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 20:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I really hated the highlights myself. Sorry its going to be a while until I can update this. I don't have any internet at home so I can't access the file and edit it. I'm using my dad's computer, but there's no way he's going to let me download GIMP. So...if this is taken down because of lack of work, I'll reupload it later.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Declining due to lack of work for almost two weeks, but as you said Shimmer, you can reupload when you've had time to work on him :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 17:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfrost- For Approval
Well...Here is the first character art that I've made. What say you? Smokeberry 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's really good for a first image! I just think there are 3 things you could improve on: 1.) Make the eye have a pupil. It looks kinda like it doesn't. 2.) Make the tabby making thinner, blend them a little more, and make them jagged Ys. Use Squirrelflight as an example. 3.) Make the shading a tad bit darker. Other than that, It looks awesome!

Thanks! I'll fix that right away. Smokeberry 21:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The image has been changed...Is it better now? Smokeberry 21:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Smokeberry, you didn't read the notice:One image at a time, so you'll have to wait for Jayfeather and Cinderfur, who by the way don't have their blanks yet. On this one, the tabby markings are dots and lines. Try using the jagged lines like Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Dustpelt, and Brownpaw, or use the wavy ones like Heathertail -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 00:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Mallinois is right Smokeberry. Also, the ear is way too pink - that would need to be sorted as well. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A couple of things: There is no shading that I can see. It needs some. Look on the Approved images to see how to do that; The tabby markings need to look...realistic. Looks at some Approved tabbies for examples; Nothing's blended. Use smudge tool for that. --<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 01:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

To add to that, Hawkfrost also has a white underbelly. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed it. In my opinion the color is too dark, but then he is evil. Anything else? Smokeberry 23:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I like it dark, because it fit's his personality. I think he still needs more shading though. -- Dawnfeather 11:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Just add more shading on the back and the chest, and perhaps on the curve of the leg. I really like this. -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like the tabby markings now and think it looks good. I have something to add though - on my computer it is showing up on a white background not transparent and there is a strange black line at the top; is this just me or does it need to be made transparent? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Add more shadong, and take away the triangle-ness of the tabby markings, plus the ear is a little dark and there's a black line at the top. Plus, get rid of the markings int he middle of the body. -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Lemme just remove the line, and this will be done. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There. Approved. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What the...? Can someone fix this line before it's posted? Thanks. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, aer you listening? Quite a fwe of us think that there should be some more shading before it is approved. -- Dawnfeather 06:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, GB. Several people still have comments for improvement, and after those have been made the image can be approved. Don't approve the image just because it looks finished to you. Smokeberry, this can definitely be approved soon, just add more shading on the places mentioned above and tweak the markings a little like Mallinois suggested. I can turn it transparent for you if need by after changes have been made. -- Bramble My Realm 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! But I think the ear needs to be blended a bit more.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think the ear is a little too dark... you can hardly see it over the dark pelt colour. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

He looks awesome. ^-^ -- MU MB LE 785  22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know there was still criticism. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, buddy. :) It was easily fixed. -- Bramble My Realm 23:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, don't feel bad. As you said, everyone makes mistakes, and this one doesn't matter, as it was easily and effortlessy fixed. I do agree that this is SO CLOSE to being ready for approval though. :D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Smokeberry 00:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful. The ear pink still needs to be lighter, as I think it looks too red at the moment, and I think Sandy mentioned that, too. Other than that, this is extremely close to being ready for approval. -- Bramble My Realm 17:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also there is some blurry grey stuff outside the outline on his chest. That needs to be fixed Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

His ear and the blurry spot has been finished. Anything else? Smokeberry 22:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that line's back. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Its PERFECT, I LOVE the tabby stripes! Keep it that way, the tabby stripes like on squirrelflight and other tabbies, are pretty ugly(sorry D:) Dictation 23:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Attacks multiple artwork. User may not continue editing Project Character Art until July 15th. Slash any content posted by this user until then. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Augh! Curse that line! I'll have to remove it. Anything else? Smokeberry 23:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is looking really good now; once you've removed the line I think this will be ready for approval Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 17:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks amazing! If it were me, I would add some more tabby stripes, but it looks great even without them. --Goldencloud 22:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorm- For Approval
I guess I sort of lied when I said no more 'popular' cats. But I've seen SO many put up that get declined I decided to do it myself. I used the same shading I did for Honeyfern and Nettleclaw. --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 19:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Beuatiful. I just want you to remove the marking from the eye. By the way, Everyone seems to know how to do texture like this but me. How do you do it? -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you ^^. I removed the eye mark. As for the texture, it's just a lot of dodging, burning and blurring. It's pretty easy after awhile. --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 20:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like this. This Sandstorm is about 20 times better than mine. - Sparrowwing  talk  22:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Other than the fact that she has barely visible stripes, it looks beautiful.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989 02:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

This looks great. I think some more shading would look good on the muzzle and top of her head though Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that the tabby stripes should be a bit paler, it looks good. ;)--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 14:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I added more shading, but kept the stripes how they were.-- Darkhallows Lair 15:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not happy with the tabby stripes really. They are barely visible, but just with darker fur. The tabby markings she has seem very visible to me.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Are they better?-- Darkhallows Lair 05:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. I do think that 'pale tabby stripes' is meant to mean 'paler' than that base colour. This could be difficult, but have a go and save it separetly from this picture. I reckon it could work if you do it right. Out of these tabby stripes, and the ones that you just had, I prefer the old ones. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I hate to quote at you again... but it says slightly darker than base color.... -- Darkhallows Lair 07:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Where? :) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Pg 53 of Into the Wild, it says "Her coat was ginger, like Firepaw's, but much paler, with barely visible stripes of darker fur." Sorry, Dawnfeather. :) Besides the stripes, is there anything else for improvement? I personally love the image. -- Bramble My Realm 02:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, are you watching this? See, everybody makes mistakes! I agreee, this should be approved! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The stripes look a little too thin and long... they look a bit like she's got water trickling down her back. Might just be me though! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The third stripe down on her back looks awkward to me.. maybe straighten it out or add another to go with it. And they do look a little too thin, now you mention it, Sandy. -- Bramble My Realm 17:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thickened the stripes, and changed that one. Better now?-- Darkhallows Lair 01:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Did you change the colour? If you did, I like the old one better. If not, then I'm going blind. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I had... long story with that. Sorry. Changed.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The outline is smudged on the nearview rear leg Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed that. Darkhallows Lair 07:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think that this should be approved. Darky, if you have time, could you help me add in the tabby markings of one of my cats that I felt like making a picture of on here? The problem is, the markings are meant to be a lot darker than her actual pelt. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, just noticed, the tabby stripes on her tail stand out a lot more than the other ones. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 21:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed.||Dawnfeather, sure I could help if you want. -- Darkhallows Lair 02:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Antpelt for Approval


I'm going to post my pending images here. For now, here's Antpelt. Do you think I should blend the highlights on the back more? -- MU MB LE 785  22:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes; blend the shading a lot more as well. Also shorten the neck shading so it doesn't stick out so much; that's what got you on Clovertail. Maybe you could add a pupil on the eye as well. Other than that, very nice colors and basic structure. Good job. -- Bramble My Realm 22:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with all of the above. BLEND HEAPS! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'll work on him. ;) And Bramble, there is a pupil. Look at the upper left area of the eye... -- MU MB LE 785  19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I blended more and took away some of the throat-shading. Is he better? -- MU MB LE 785  19:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Take away the shading infront of the shoulder! Also, you still need to blend everything in a lot more for this to work. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The eye color look black, too.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 18:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, my mistake, I see it now. The shading still needs to be blended more, though, and I don't know if the shading under the neck should be taken away, I just think it should be shortened and a less sharply defined point. -- Bramble My Realm 02:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing out that one of the ears is completely black. - Sparrowwing  talk  12:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that's in his description actually SparrowWing. I may be wrong but I'm sure I remember that. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Woops. I thought that it was an accident. Sorry. - Sparrowwing  talk  18:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It says that one of his ears are black in his description, and I'll work on him. --68.102.111.72 18:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I blended more and made the throat shading thinner, and less pointy. Is he better? -- MU MB LE 785  19:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

The ear has no pink.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 19:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the ear pink needs adding, the eye colour is not really visible either. I also think he needs a little more shading on his chest fur. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm on it! -- MU MB LE 785  17:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Added ear pink and shading. -- MU MB LE 785  17:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Blend the ear pink some more, and... that neck shading is really bothering me. Try cutting it off right at the whiskers, if you know what that means. Just put the normal pelt color over the neck shading until you reach where it's under the whiskers and we'll see how that looks. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try it. -- MU MB LE 785  19:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

UGH!!! It may be a little bit before i get his changes done because my computer messed him up after I accidently save him a a gif image... -- MU MB LE 785  19:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

ok, i fixed it. REUPLOADED. -- MU MB LE 785  23:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Much better. I really like it now. Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? -- Bramble My Realm 18:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Snaketail (Po3)- for approval
I had made this awhile ago... -shrug- I dunno if I like it. But I might as well use it.-- Darkhallows Lair 05:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. The shading on the belly is above the belly, leaving the actual belly un-shaded. The tail looks weird. Maybe 'Snaketail' means dappled, or tabby (on the tail only? I don't think that they have those types of markings though. It doesn't look right to me. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

"dark brown tom with tabby-striped tail." from his page. If it meant tabby, it'd say tabby I think.... I'm working on the shading.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

It did! I'm only talking about the tail! It said a 'tabby-striped tail'. I'm sorry if I confused you. I was only talking about the tail! So, yeah. Try and add some tabby markings to the tail, and see how it works! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, for a 'dark brown tom', he could be quite a bit darker. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't know about anyone else but that whole bit of conversation confused me... Anyway, back to the image! I think Dawn's right that it should be a bit darker. Also, shading is needed on the chest and back and the ear pink needs to be a tiny bit brighter. Leave the tail though - I think it looks good and as realistic as a tabby tail on a solid brown cat can look! Good job! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Darkened it (a lot) and added more shading. Anything else?-- Darkhallows Lair 16:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

On the top of the head, it looks lighter than anywhere else; that's where it should have shading. Sorry if I sound confusing.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 18:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I understood it ^^. I made it darker. -- Darkhallows Lair 01:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that this is ready for approval --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval(24 hours)? -- Bramble My Realm 17:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

You should make the tabby stripes a bit more noticeable. --<font color="Blue" style="background:Orange">Nightgaze <font color="Orange" style="background:Blue">Rawr! 14:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the strips how they are. But if anyone else wants me to change them I will.-- Darkhallows Lair 01:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I like how they are now, and I believe this needs some approval-ing. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 12:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the stripes look fine. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 18:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Morningflower-For Approval



 * My second, tortie, and my first elder. The elder blanks show up black for me, can someone fix that? I fixed up this one, though. Tell me what you think of it. -- Mlns tlk • C 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

She looks good, but i think you might need a little more ginger fur. She looks too dark, and I think it's because of the black. But, otherwise, it's good. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, the separation between the white and the black on the neck looks unnatural. Play around with the shape a bit more, or extend the white up into the face and make those common white-face markings. Other than that, and what Mumble just said, this is really good. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploded and changed the neck black to white and ginger connection. Better? --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 21:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It is better. I think the ear pink, although it is the right colour is slightly too big for her ear, especially as the fur is black. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done, though it may take a while to show up. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 19:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Shrewpaw(SC) - For Approval


I decided to colour the other Shrewpaw!! Comments? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, hang on. The shading is very blotchy - I'm gonna do that now. Oops Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, done. Comments now? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know... I think some of the shading is still rather blotchy. Maybe you could try blending it more? -- Bramble My Realm 17:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Bramble. The shading still looks blotchy.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 18:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell whether it has black paws or not- perhaps you could lighten up the gray. Oh, and maybe use a slightly bright pink for the ear. -user: Firebird2102

The background also needs to be transparent :) -- Bramble My Realm 13:46, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I lightened the colour, redid the shading completely and the background should be showing up transparent Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The gray part is much better. - user: Firebird2102

Any other comments? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(Also - Firebird, please sign with four ~s, thank you) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

To be picky, blend the shading and the highlight ending more thoroughly, and blend the black fur with the gray fur some more. Then I think it'd be ready. -- Bramble My Realm 18:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded: Okay, I blended the highlight and shading area and also the blakc markings as much as I could without smudging the outline or making the transition too gradual (ie. making it a gradient grey...) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Very pretty. :) Anything else before approval, members? -- Bramble My Realm 18:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Blossomkit (SC)- For Approval
I hope this isn't too much. I have tons of files sitting in my computer and I want to do some new ones already xD. I don't really like doing kits, as I can never get the shading right. But I think she needed her own picture... poor kit.-- Darkhallows Lair 01:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This is great! But shes a tortoiseshell....<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 02:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

This is Blossomkit of ShadowClan, who's featured in Cats of the Clans. She's a white she-kit. You're probably thinking of Graystripe's daughter, Sandwich. On the image, it's very pretty, but I think all the shading is too focused on the bottom, and maybe you could add some more on the head/shoulder area and lessen the rest. -- Bramble My Realm 02:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry! my bad. This is very pretty, sorry for the mixup!<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 03:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It's alright. I actually remember her most for the 'her pelt was as red as deathberries' line. I intensified the head shading, but I'm not sure if it's enough...?-- Darkhallows Lair 04:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not often I find myself saying this, but I think there is a little too much shading on the legs. Try just putting shading down one side of her legs as if the light source is coming from a particular direction. Also, the background is green...on my computer at least. (I seriously don't know what is wrong with my cp... I'm fairly sure you would not have painted it green lol - just make sure it's transparent ;]) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It needs head shading, and the eyes look...weird to me.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 16:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Played with the shading--4.185.210.69 22:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I take it that was Darkhallows... --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 00:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah.. I'm on my other computer. Sorry.-- Darkhallows Lair 00:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the problem with the eyes is that they're too bright. Darken them a little bit, and maybe decrease the saturation a bit, too. It looks good otherwise! --Goldencloud 22:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Darkened them; are they better? Darkhallows Lair 07:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, they are much better now. --Goldencloud 15:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I know she's a white cat, but it seems to me that there isn't enough shading. I figure that the light is coming from one side, which is why there is no shading there, but i think the you need to extend the shading on the other side a little bit more, and then maybe darken it at the very edge. I can sympathise with you though. White cats are hard to make. Overall, good work! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and 'bout the death berries, it was her... *gulps* blood. Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream 16:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Swiftpaw - Fpr Approval
I'm not sure about this one, but it's better than my one other remaining image. Oh well. I felt sorry for him, so I made him, and I've really been getting into these apprenices lately. I'm finding them easy to shade when they don't have markings. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong off the top of my head, except for the ear to be slightly more pink. Keep it at the same level of darkness, just make it more pink. I really don't see anything else. You're good. :) -- Bramble My Realm 17:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this ear okay? I'm not sure. Your words mean a lot to me! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Make the ear much darker, I can't see it. 71.167.243.29 23:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I can't see the user pink at all, now.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 00:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I reuploeaded, And I ho[pe it shows this time.

Um...The eye doesn't look right...Has no pupil.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 21:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

His eye makes him look like he's scared to death, but still has to remain like a statue... -- MU MB LE 785  23:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It had a pupil, but I edited it so that the white and amber don't look so similar, and I think it helped. Anything else? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Talonpaw - For Approval


I felt sorry for the poor cat. Killed for fun. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The eye is blended into the pelt, and I would suggest making all his pelt a few shades darker.- User: Firebird2102

Oh, and there is absolutely no color for the ear. -firebird2102 -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.10.244.11 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Add well blended ear pink and he'll be one of the best images I've ever seen!!! -- MU MB LE 785  19:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

There was nothing I could do about the eeye, as when I checked very carefully, it wasn't blended, as you say. I put some pink in the ear though. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I have to say, I adore this. Approval worthy, I think.-- Darkhallows Lair 04:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? (also, which picture is the correct sized version? Please remove the other from the page to help my confusion!, thanks) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Mousefur elder -for approval
I'm not that good at art, but then I tried Pixlr and I think I did a good job. Please give me any little detail I can improve! Minnowclaw 23:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Needs a lot more shading and blending.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 00:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

upoload 2: Better? upload3:Now what do you think, don't hold backk! Minnowclaw 14:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

sorry, but not really. You needs heaps more. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

You need to put shading on the chest, muzzle, tail, back, legs and head. It needs to be blended well into the pelt without blurring the lineart. Good luck Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 09:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get on it as soon as I can.216.217.47.66 14:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Pretty good! I was hoping to make a charrie art for Mousefur, but you beat me to it. :/ But isn't she a tabby? Smokeberry 23:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No, she is just a "dusky-brown she-cat" and the picture approved isn't a tabby. Please! It can't be perfect, what can I improve on?Minnowclaw 23:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Hmmm, add shading on the curve of her hind leg, her forehead, and her foreleg. Also blur the shading you have, especially on the belly area. The ear pink needs to be more pink, as it looks violet to me at the moment. And, as Sandy said, take care not to blend the lineart. Other than those things, this is a great first image. :) -- Bramble My Realm 02:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Scorchpaw - For Approval


I have a bit of a theme going here, in case you haven't yet noticed. I literally knocked this one together in about 5 minutes. What do you think? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 12:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

On the far view hind leg, it looks too black, which I think looks odd. Maybe you could lighten the shading there, and other than that I like the image. Anyone else? -- Bramble My Realm 18:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkhallows - Senior Warrior?
Please go here to support Darkhallows becoming a senior warrior. Darkhallows, just to make it official, do you accept the nomination? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Of course I accept. ^^ -- Darkhallows Lair 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Please Read
Please use on users who post content while being on this list. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Icepaw - For Approval
What do you think? Minnowclaw 00:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Add more extended shading on the spots you have already shaded, as well as adding shading on the forelegs. Blend thoroughly, and add ear pink. -- Bramble My Realm 02:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Lots better than the one I had a go at last night. White cats can't be done the way i'm doing mine, at least in the apprentice blanks. I like it, but i think that you should add some more shading. Brilliant! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 05:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

She needs a lot more shading and the ear pink needs to be addes. Please make sure all this is fully blended :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

A Guide to Shading?
This idea may suck. But it seems like a lot of new people on PCA are asking how to shade. I was thinking that maybe we could make some sort of page with tutorials on different styles and where to put shading (I'm sure everyone has issues with this sometimes). Again, I don't know how well this would work. -- Darkhallows Lair 04:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. There are lots of different ways to shade cats, and different ways to make tabby markings, markings in general, ears, and even eyes. New ways are being thought of all the time too. For example - my apprentices. We haven't even really figured out how to shade the elders yet, as only one has been approved so far (to my knowledge). I just don't think it would work. Everyone learns in time. I've only been here two months and a few people are applauding my efforts. I'm not exactly against the idea, it's just i'm not sure how it would work. Has anyone got any thoughts or suggestions? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 05:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Two elders :P. Yeah, I don't know if it COULD work. But then, like I said, there could be guides on different styles? Or each player could have their own section if they wanted. -- Darkhallows Lair 05:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of Shadepelt! Never occured to me that I had made an approved colouring of an elder. Ah well. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, alot of newbies would appreciate the help from shading, i know I would XD><font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 14:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there should be a "Charart Mentors" program, and the senior warriors+Bramble could mentor an unexperienced user in Charart. That way, we don't have to set guidelines like Project Adopt a User. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 19:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea. Im an unexperienced charart user that can use help.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Gorsepaw-For Approval



 * I tried Gorsepaw along with Lionblaze and I have Lionblaze approved, so I thought I'd put Gorsepaw back up. He's the way he was, so please comment. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 14:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded with more shading. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 14:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)