Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Kittypet Blanks - For Approval


I was messing around in the warriors wiki when I found many declined images so I put the Kittypet blanks for approval. Comments?--Yai-Girl 17:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Yai, these are Darkhallows' images. You need her permission to edit them, and also, o, Sandiwolf was working on them; they were just taken down due to black of work. -- Bramble My Realm 21:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry.--Yai-Girl 15:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

These had best be declined then until Darkhallows gives her permission to use the old blanks and until you sort it out with Sandiwolf. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yai-girl can use them. I have attempted to revamp them to no avail. Maybe she can.-- Darkhallows Lair 17:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, back up for approval. Sandiwolf's were declined, and if she wants them back up, she and Yai can talk it out. There is a chances that one set can be used as rogues and the other as kittypets. (will add criticism when I have time) -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypets are well-groomed. The fur on the lond-hairs are sticking out everywhere. I thought you weren't supposed to put cats in drying machines? -- MU MB LE 785  23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Mumble, long-hairs are fluffy, know matter how "well-groomed" they are. Maybe make the hair a tad bit closer to the pelt, though. I love the collars. :)--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 00:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, the lineart needs to be thicker, so as it goes with the other images. Instead of the tail being up, it would be better if it was curled around the paws, I think, and the ears need to be shrunk. The paws look slightly awkward too. I found this pic: click You could probably use it for reference. -- Bramble My Realm 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything Bramble. That pic made me laugh though. I would advise you not to make them quite that fat Yai! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, hey, they are kittypets. lol but yeah, don't make them that fat Yai. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble making the long hairs fluffy can someone help me?--Yai-Girl 14:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Hre's another reference: <Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 16:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I did the short hairs, how do they look?--Yai-Girl 19:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Looks great, but can you please make them a bit bigger? MaYbe the size of my Loner blanks on the bottom? Besides that I love them! The reason I want them to be bigger, is beacuse it's easier to add shading, blending, and smudging, and so we can see the colors and tabby stripes/dapple even better. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you make the blanks bigger?--Yai-Girl 14:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Oh erm.. I don't know. Maybe ask somebody who is good at the computer? I had to redo my loner blanks to make them bigger :( Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have a couple of things:


 * 1) They are a little small but I'm not sure how to make them bigger (Moss might know as she did it for her prey-hunters)
 * 2) There doesn't seem to be much difference between the longhaired and shorthaired - make it clearer which have longer fur
 * 3) The heads are a little strange - they seem really... angular and the eyes are really off centre which looks odd
 * 4) The lineart on the inside of a couple of them still needs to be thickened.

Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thickened the lineart on the long hairs.--Yai-Girl 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I have a suggestion, try to make the tail on the longhears thicker so then we can tell the difference. --Spottedwing 16:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

thickened tails.--Yai-Girl 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here´s a diagram, I had no problems with it, but it´s a small like Hawkfire and Sandy said.--Yai-Girl 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't know.... the style just doesn't seem right.... -- Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Dawn?--Yai-Girl 11:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look rather cartoon-ish to me, and I honestly don't think they work very well. Please don't get me wrong - there is no offense intended, to either you, Yai-Girl, or Shady. -- Dawnfeather talk! 11:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I can make them bigger, Yai, if that's alright with you. What Spottedwing meant when she said thicker tails wasn't the tail lineart, it was the size of the tail. As for the cartoonishness, I think their heads are the main problem. Their ears are at an awkward angle, and a bit big, and I think their heads just seem a bit wonky. But other than that, they seem like our other blanks. If you think about it Dawn, they're all cartoons... at least in the fact that they're drawn. -- Bramble My Realm 03:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are my horribble ears.--Yai-Girl 11:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The angle on the tails of the short hairs are bothering me. Make them more curved. I had the same problem. Also, I can barley tell the females from the males. Make the males coalars more maleish ( If that makes since ).Minnowclaw 11:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The right ear (Our right), looks smaller than the left ear, on the long-haired cats. Maybe make the right ears a bit bigger. Also, I agree with Minnowclaw; the males are hard to distinguish from the females. I think if you made the females' eyes a bit more "feminine", they'd look better. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 16:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the ears bigger and fixed the tails.--Yai-Girl 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

You're skipping over the make the females more feminine and the males more masculine. I think thickening their eye lineart, and making the female eyes look more feminine, and making a collar differenece would be better. -- Bramble My Realm 14:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the females eyes more feminine, made the males lissence rounder rather than a heart shape like on the females, and I made the long hairs tails thiner.--Yai-Girl 15:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl



I made another Rusty... these blanks do work. They just need to be made bigger. Also I like how the tail comes from behind the body on the longhairs more than the other two. Make the shorthairs tails curve round exactly like longhairs. -- Bramble My Realm 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they look right... they're very square on the shoulders and legs and the fur is all... tufty which makes them look like ungroomed kits. I think the fur for both the long and shorthaired needs to be sleeker as if it is well-groomed and the angle of the head is strange. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not exactly looking at you; the head was made at a 3/4 angle. -- Blackclaw09 20:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Sandy. I expressed that awhile ago, with the fur... But, yeah. Do as the loyal deputy said. -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 18:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I twicked the long-hairs I will do the short-hairs later.--Yai-Girl 23:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Where the leg is connected to the body there is an awkward looking pixel.-- Darkhallows Lair 17:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Here?--Yai-Girl 12:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They're so cute! Except, I think the long-hairs' tails need to be fluffier.  Jane Volturi Sparrowsong 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Also, make the long-haired cats' back legs, a little fluffier. Very cute, Yai-Girl! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 22:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - On the longhaired's, their paws are bigger than the shorthaired's - make them the size of the shorthaired's. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  01:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, the ears need to be at least slightly more rounded. -- Dawnfeather talk! 09:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Also -
 * As I said before, the ears.
 * The mark showing the top of the head extends too far on that side in my opinioin. Maybe just shorten it a few pixels.
 * I know this bit was hard, but the she-cat's love-heart tag collar thingy's shape needs to be refined a bit.
 * The one next to the question mark - I don't know maybe just tweak that little area with the hindleg a bit - it didn't look quite right to me but it will be fine if you don't edit it.
 * The thing that bugs me most about these images - how at that point there with the arrows and diagrams coming from it the line doesn't change from vertical-pixel-coloumn-thingy to the other gradually, but *wup!* it's here, and then *wup!* it's there. Just add in a few other pixels to make it less, sudden. I'm sorry if I seem harsh - I just want to help you get this image approved so tweak week can come.! -- Dawnfeather talk! 10:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are he short hairs, I will try to edit the long hairs but it's pretty hard.--Yai-Girl 12:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here are the worst long hairs on the planet.--Yai-Girl 15:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure what happened, but I made this back into an editable topic. The only thing still bugging me a bit would be the female tags on the collars. Other than that, these are really nice, I think. (:-- Quiet !... 18:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the long hairs look pretty good. The female tags on the collars look different between the long hairs and the short hairs, the one on the short hair looks more like a heart, while the one on the long hair looks more square-ish at the top. (it is supposed to be a heart, right?) Otherwise, everything looks great! Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 20:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)



(M) - Here's a diagram for the collars. :) Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  23:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are the collars.--Yai-Girl 12:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look great! -- Rain whisker 09 14:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Why didn't someone just ask if they could touch up the Kittypet blanks Sandiwolf made that were close to approval? I liked the position on those... these are really good too, although they need to be enlarged... I like the fur on the longhairs though. --♫ insaneular ♫ 15:27, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

These havent been worked on in a week i know i cant put a decline notice up but it hasnt been worked on. --Stonestar 21:20, September 1, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

But no ones commented soo... Anyway, one ear is longer than the other (on the longhairs) and the tag is a little too big-- Darkhallows Lair 02:47, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

The reason the ear is longer is cause the head is facing to one side. If it was both the same size, it would look like one ear shrunk. But I agree, the tags are a bit big. -- Rain whisker 09 15:28, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the other ear should be longer. I didn't see the image. If you don't want to re-draw the ears, you could put the longer ear on the right side and the shorter ear on the left side. -- Rain whisker 09 15:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - If the head is at a 3/4th angle, it would need to look like this:

Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:56, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've just worked out exactly what it is about these that I'm not sure about. They look very pixelated, sqaure. like those pixels you can find online... they don't exactly look like real cats. I think you need to make the bigger, round the shoulders off a little and generally make all he lineart a bit smoother to make them look more realistic and in line with our other approved blanks. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 08:32, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I will try to make them look like real cats later. Comments?--Yai-Girl 11:38, September 5, 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I wanted to have a try at them so I tried one: I think it looks fine, but yes, make them more cat-like*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 01:48, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I can make them bigger, if you want. And should the nose be black or pink? -- Rain whisker 09 15:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything said above. Also, keep the noses white. We can color them in pink (As we do with the queen blanks). If anyone disagrees with me, then I think the noses should be black, rather than pink. But, very nice, Yai-Girl! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 17:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Feathertail- Redone


Hey Hawkfire here! I just got finished with her. (really sorry Shimmer!) I fixed her ear pink and her eye, and lightened the shading on her tail. I can't get the old pic of the oringinal Feathertail! I accidently uploaded it with the same name. Somebody help please. Hawkey  Ready for action 13:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The ear needs to be blended more.--Stonestar 13:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Something looks funky about the way it was blended- I mean from the original, not what you did. I'm not sure if it's because the lines got smudged in or they just had a weird shading style, but I think you should go over the shading a bit and then reblur it.Same for the tabby markings, they look a bit strange, so maybe if you went over them in the same color then blurred them again that would work. --♫ insaneular ♫ 15:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Very good, but I believe Feathertail should be long-haired. It's because a. she's RiverClan; they generally have thick fur and b. she was said to have a feathery/fluffy tail.  Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Insanular, umm...wow I am not sure I can do all of that. The tabby stripes look amazing and the shading is great to me. I will change her to a long hair, even tho I never imagined her that way. Silverstream is short hair, and she's from RiverClan. If I did have to change her to long-hair, I would have to redo the whole image. Do you really want me to do that? Hawkey  Ready for action 19:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I could change her to a long-hair if you want, with oly minor edits..-- Darkhallows Lair 20:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You wont exactly have to redo her all the way. The technique I use is past the image in paint and color the lineart white. Then take the lineart of the long hair and past it over, with white being transparent and you just have to remove the eye out of the other image. The only problem is you will have to add more coloring to the tail area and the chest.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 20:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Shady that would be very kind of you! Now all I have to do is mess with the ear pink. :)Thanks so much! Hawkey  Ready for action 21:46, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

You may need to work on the tail but here.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:04, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! She's gorgeous! I will fix the shading on the tail and blend the ear pink, then she should be good to go!! Hawkey  Ready for action 23:23, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Brambleclaw-for Approval
New Old

Shimmer is back!!! For the time being since its a weekend xD Brambleclaw's image has bugged me the moment Dustpelt and Tigerclaw were made. They both are dark tabbies, but why must poor Brambleclaw be lighter??? I know he was made when the project first started so I wanted to redo him to make him up to date of our new way of coloring. Plus Brambleclaw been mentioned numerous times that he looks like his father meaning they must have the same tabby markings, right? So I decided to give him some that closely resembles, but not the exact same cause then it would look like I copied the image and I don't like doing that. I also decided to change him to long haired because Tigerstar is longhaired, and I've always pictured him as one. Plus I think it metioned how he hated his fur being wet..but that just might be my imagination. -- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 19:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks awesome Shimmer! But hey, he doesn't seem like a long haired. It just looks really strange to me. Change it to a short hair and see how it looks. Hawkey  Ready for action 19:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

He's great shimmer!!But i think you should blur alitlle more the pink in the ear.ღ Sunny ღ 20:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, the newer one looks so much better! *squeal* I'm so lucky to have you as my mentor! I agree with you about Brambleclaw being long-haired. I think it looks great. :) Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 21:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol I'm happy to have you as an apprentice Icethroat. But so what should it be, long-haired or short-haired guys?-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 01:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks awesome! And it's good that it looks more similar to the Tigerclaw image. I just think the shading should be blurred a bit more. --♫ insaneular ♫ 01:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I always saw Brambleclaw as shorthaired, personally. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

It's great, I really love it. The only thing I can see is that his eyes look yellow when they should be amber/orange. Also, how do you do tabby markings like that? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 02:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you blend the shading on the back a bit more please? It stands out a lot... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

He's awesome!!! Just one thing: Maybe make him a tad bit lighter. ;) -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 23:09, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Can you blend the ear pink a tad? It looks really sharp. =) [Had to check in a minute. xD]


 * Updated! for its the only day I can get on during the weeks to work on him...but no one has said anything else about the fur. I made him a tad lighter, but not to light, because he is a dark tabby after all and when I did at first he came out as a golden brown O.O scared me half to death. And as for the tabby markings Sparrow, I pretty much just looked at the Tigerclaw image and the blank side by side, and then drawed them in using the pencil tool.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 23:49, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't Brambleclaw have a deputy blank?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;gold; background:darkgreen; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gold;">Fidelis359 13:09, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yes but were doing all the blanks he was seen in. Don't worry I've already done him. <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 15:36, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions before approval? Fidelis359> This is Tweak Week when we are redoing old images to make them to the current standard. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:45, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, he and Tigerstar aren't mentioned as long-haired cats. In Cats of the Clans, however, Tigerstar is pictured with sort of an in-between coat, while Brambleclaw is more short-haired. And for these particular blanks, I think Brambleclaw looks slightly better as a long-haired. But that may just be because he has an awesome coloring. Good job, Shimmer. :)--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  18:19, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was re-reading FoS the other day, and in the part where Tigerclaw(star) attacks Bluestar, then Fireheart steps in, it said something like, "Fireheart swiped at Tigerclaw but his claws parted harmlessly through the traitor's thick fur." This may mean he is longhaired, and if he is then Brambleclaw most likely is. He also looks really good like this, I think it's because it makes him look larger. I think it looks awesome. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 18:24, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading on the back of him. But very good, I wish I were that good.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 01:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * The back is blended.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 23:52, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 02:45, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

It's just my old perfectionist side coming back into action, but do you think that you could possibly add some highlights? If you can't, don't worry. It was just a thought. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:04, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've already done that. I couldn't do them too light because they started to not match the fur coloring :(-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 01:15, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Dapplepelt (MC) - for approval


Well its 11:52 where I am, so its only 8 minutes until we can put up images again, So I thougt: what the heck, tweak weak will be over by the time they see this anyway.

The image: I followed what it said on her description. Although I don't remeber the tabby striped tail... <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 06:59, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think you should make the tail look more like it has patches, not stripes. Also, blend the patches more.Minnowclaw 13:40, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

umm, i kinda already saved spottedleaf so i could make her sorry.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 15:37, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Okay. If Shimmersong did reserve her then please withdraw this. Can people please start taking note of the reservations? This is the second image I've had to say this to today. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:04, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Shimmersong, I didn't see your reservation. I will just simply turn it into... Redtail. Just have to lose the herbs and change the eye.<span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 15:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

And blend the patches more. And you will need some black patches for a tortie, and the Redtail image has more redish ginger patches than this. Sorry that I sound harsh; I'm just trying to help. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ok I will not change this one. I tried looking for a tortoiseshell medicine cat and I found her (Dapplepelt). <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 15:56, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you just need to take away the things that are specific to Spottedleaf now, such as the darker eye fur and stripd tail. I'd add more patches and make them more irregularly shaped, blend them together more too. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Brambleclaw (D) - for approval


Okay, my secopnd image up. I hope it doesn't look like I copied it. I opened my version, then opened the new warrior version in a diffrent page, then tried to make it look as similiar as possible. Well, here it is: <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 06:59, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading on the hind leg and back as it is very visible. But very nice!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 13:44, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

There's a white spot on his paw. Otherwise, it looks great! Awesome job! -- Rain whisker 09 15:18, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the minor problems above, there's a white pixel on his chest, too. Other than that, he looks wonderful! (: -- Quiet !... 20:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the others, but as I said on the warrior version - do you think you could add some soft highlights? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:09, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Any suggestions where to put the highlight? <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 14:41, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well until then I changed the white dots and blended the shading more. <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 16:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Pine for approval
OK my Fist try so tell me what is not right Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 08:32, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Brambleclaw, that's really good for a first try! Lol, you just barely beat me to putting up the first rogue for approval ever, since the blanks are fairly new, but... XD I can only see a few things you need to change: First, you need shading. It looks like you might have a little, but you need much more. Just decide where your light source is and then figure out where the highlights and shadows would fall. Next, this isn't necessary, but you might want to make the fur slightly off white, because in reality cats aren't perfectly white. Then, the spots. I really like your arrangement, but make a few of them different sizes so it looks a bit more natural. Then, just take the Blue tool (almost every image program has one) and go over all of the color- but don't blur the lines! I know this can sound like a lot to take in, but trust me, that is really good for a first try. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 12:24, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me or is the picture stretched? Also, it looks as if you put shading but in a cream color. You don't want that color for shading. What I recommend for shading is making the cat slightly less white and then taken the burn tool and going over it a lot of times until you can see and differentiate what is shading and what is pelt, but don't forget to blend.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 13:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

It does look stretched. I'm going with Swallowtip on this one. Try making the cat fur a little more grayer, and use the burn tool all over the belly and the chest. -- Rain whisker 09 15:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK I will do all of it soon :/ Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 16:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The whole thing is a little fuzzy.-- Darkhallows My den 04:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well it's a try :/ sould the old file be got rid of? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 09:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't you upload the file with the same name? -- Rain whisker 09 12:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

nope :/ Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 14:36, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

You should always upload over the old file. The corrcet file name for this image would be something like: Pine.rogue.png Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:46, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Frisk - For approval
I wanted to try a kit, because they're quick and I hadn't done one before. I had trouble making his flecks look good, and I wasn't sure how much to shade (because I'm on a computer with a bad display, and whenever I go back to my good one the shading looks more dramatic). How does it look? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 17:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - He's so cute! Your shading doesn't look to dark to me. Just blur it a bit more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded and tried to blur more, although I was on pixlr which is hard to blur with, so it might not be visibly better. Tomorrow night I'll be on my computer with GIMP so I can blur more accurately and powerfully, if it's needed. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 23:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Aw he's cute. Did you make him on Pixlr? You must be very talented as I can't do it for my life xD. The blurtool is so weak..-- Darkhallows My den 04:45, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I used pixlr, although the weak blur and the fact that whenever you reopen an image the layers are merged are the reasons I don't like it... <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 19:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Flora - approval
well... my first pic, o god please don't hurt me!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 13:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

She's cute Swallowtip! I'm like half asleep and the only thing I see is the eye doesn't have a pupil.-- Darkhallows Lair 14:32, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added a black spot to make the pupil more noticeable, better?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 14:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is the nose supposed to be pink? I thought we made them black (except for the queen blanks). -- Rain whisker 09 15:15, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is great for your first image! Blackclaw, the noses should be pink if on the blanks they are not colored in black. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The brown under the ear cuts off in an abrupt line, can you smooth this out a little? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:25, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I know it doesn't look much different, but I tried to get it there with the blur tool and it didn't work so I smudged it.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 19:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

It looks great! Very nice job. -- Rain whisker 09 20:10, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Try taking the brown patch and spreading it over that little patch on white on the ear pink to make it look more natural. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:56, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened ear pink and extend the brown patch.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 02:21, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

She's very nice, but some of the patches are too circular for their own good. Mabe make them a bit more randomly shaped, especially that one on the belly? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Lightened the patches and made them more random.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Just give the eye and nose some color and she should be ready. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

That was dumb of me to forget that. Oh well, Reuploaded.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 00:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Twist- For Approval
I've had a lot of trouble with the face stripes, though I think they'd look better from the front. Ah well, here she is... there are three rogues up already, heh, I should have put up Lilystar.-- Darkhallows Lair 14:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

No you shouldn't have put up Lilystar because this will be one before you can say mouse. Make the ear pink bigger and brighter.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 14:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like this alot! Very good. Just fix the ear pink and this should be ready. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:15, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I have just one other thing. On the face, there is a large amount of ginger fur in a sort of stripe up the back of her neck and head onto her ear. Can you extend the black across a little so this doesn't stand out so much? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:24, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Changed her ear, face and texture.-- Darkhallows Lair 22:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Omg, brilliant. My favourite tortie yet. Comments before approval? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Buzzardtail- For approval
Well, this is my first charart... <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 15:37, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good for your first charart, I only see a few problems:


 * Add shading and blend it, making it look real
 * Blend the ear pink and make it darker, it looks fluro
 * Add highlights on the pelt

Hawkey  Ready for action 17:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't see any shading, add some and use the blur tool to make his pelt seem for 3-D. And blur the ear, make it not as bright. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

They're right. Make the ear pink a triangle shape in the centre of the ear and blend a little. Despite what Hawke said above, don't add highlights until you've got the shading sussed as it'll make it more difficult and the image may not even need them. Get the shading and ear sorted and then see about highlights. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll fix that stuff. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 20:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Can someone give me some tips on shading? I always get it too dark, and I don't know where to put it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 20:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Stripes- For Approval
Heres my first rogue! It took forever to do the stripes! Comments? Hawkey  Ready for action 17:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, this is beautiful! The only things I can see are: 1. the ear pink is too light and needs to be blurred 2. the shading needs to be darker and look more like shading; right now it just looks like blobs of darker color. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M)- I love the pattern of your stripes! Just do what Sparrowsong suggested and it should be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Darkened shading and ear pink Hawkey  Ready for action 00:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The shading should be blurred into the pelt a little more.-- Darkhallows My den 04:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Rosetail - For Approval


Here's my first elder. Is she good? Her description was kinda confusing - I thought that 'pinkish-orange' would be a color similar to Brackenfoot's, but I'm not quite sure. Anyways, comments? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I like it. But in Bluestar's Prophecy it was revealed Rosetail was a tabby. Could you add some stripes? Hawkey  Ready for action 18:00, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and add more shading too :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I took this off of the thumbnail becuase it was messing up the layout of the section below this slightly... I hope you don't mind. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Moss. And I added stripes and more shading. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I thought she was a brown tabby with a red tail, like Poppydawn?-- Darkhallows My den 04:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, it never said that. I have not read BSP, though, so I can't really be sure... <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 06:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I don't have my copy on me but it says something like: "...named her Rosekit because of the red spots on her tail." and "the tabby warrior"/"the red-tailed warrior." and her mother was Poppydawn. Heh, I actually paid close attention to her part because I quite enjoyed her character.-- Darkhallows My den 10:17, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...I don't think I can change her to brown without completely redoing the image. Perhaps I could add some darker ginger spots on her tail? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 23:07, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Mosspelt - For Approval


(M) - Mosspelt seems like a great cat. She was nice to Graystripe while he was in RiverClan, she was mother of our famous Willowshine, and nursed Stormfur and Feathertail. Plus she shares my name!

(insert lightning flash here) SHE...HAS FUR! xP This is my first tortishell up for approval, and I tried to made it as relistic as possible. Comments? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:10, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink. I can't see it. -- Rain whisker 09 20:07, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say to lighten the ear pink, because darker cats are supposed to have that color. What I would say is to make it a bit more solid so its easier to see. -- Quiet !... 20:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Changed the ear pink, look any better? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The black seems so flat... add darker and lighter shades.-- Darkhallows Lair 01:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Adding different shades of black would make it look brindled and non-tortishell...I tried adding some small flecks of colors in the black, and I lightened the neck shading becuase it seemed to dark. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Brackenfur - For Approval


Here's Brackenfur, my second-favorite warrior (Tawnypelt is my #1 fave). Hopefully it's better than my first Brackenfur, which looked like a possessed chihuahua. Comments? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I broke out laughing when I read your comment about the possessed chihuahua. This is good! Just make it so your ear pink isn't touching the bottem of the ear, and see if you can blend it more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks very nice! Just blend the shading a little more! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 18:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the shading and the ear pink. Is it better now? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The transition between shading and regular pelt is still too hard. Blend until you can't see a line separating them. The two tabby stripes coming out from his chest, separate them a little bit, it looks likes one big awkward stripe. -- Bramble My Realm 21:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Better? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 01:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Darkflower (W) for approval
I did her as a queen so here she is as a warrior. Comments? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 19:09, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Put a highlight in the eye. Just one white pixel on the upper left side of her eye. -- Rain whisker 09 20:02, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit smaller and blend it more. Blur the transition of your shading as well, and some of the lineart has been blurred. I can fix it for you if need be. -- Bramble My Realm 21:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bramble, but I'm going to try and get it myself. I'll just need a day or two. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:23, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fixed the eye, blured shading, and went over lineart. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 23:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Sasha-For Approval


This is my fisrt rogue.Really sorry Insaneular!!!Please help me make her better!<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 19:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

This is very pretty. Just blur the shading some more and that's all I can see at the moment. -- Bramble My Realm 21:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

reuploaded-but i can't relly blur any more of the shading than what I just did.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think she's beutiful!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Hmm, I think this is ready. Comments before approval in 24 hours? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Bluestar(Ki) - For Approval


Well, Bluestar has to be my favorite cat, so I did her kit and apprentice forms. Here's her kit charart. Anything that needs to be fixed? -- Quiet !... 20:08, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

This looks great! The ear pink looks too triangular, try blending it more. -- Rain whisker 09 20:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The shading under her neck is a sharp right angle, you need to fix that.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Updated. Better? -- Quiet !... 20:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

She needs a silver tipped tail and a silver muzzle the same goes for Bluepaw.--Stonestar 20:57, September 8, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

(M) - Stonestar, we decieded the the muzzle and tail-tip came with age when we where discussing Bluepaw. Comments before approval in 24 hours? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:04, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Bluestar(A) - For Approval


Introducing... BLUEPAW! Anything that needs to be fixed? -- Quiet !... 20:16, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful! All I can see, is that maybe you should blend the ear a bit more. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and Bluestar has a silver-tinged muzzle, and silver-tipped tail. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't add the silver muzzle and tail tips because (from what I know) those came with age. unless someone has proof of otherwise, I'm not going to add it. :\ -- Quiet !... 20:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I always thought that too. I think it's fine as it is. One thing; the shading seems to go right across the face. Make it more curved downward, so it's as if she has a jaw shadow. -- Bramble My Realm 21:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow... O.O She needs a pupil in her eye though. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:52, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Updated. Anything else? -- Quiet !... 01:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The neck shading needs to be blended more.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:33, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hazelstar- For Approval
I'm on a leader spree! Three leaders in a row. XD Lol. Anyway, here's Hazelstar. Originally, he was Redstar, but, then I figured out Redstar was already reserved, so, I lightened him up, and turned him into Hazelstar! Comments? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:44, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Very good. Just blur the shading transition some more. -- Bramble My Realm 21:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Err... is there supposed to be color under his hind leg? -- Rain whisker 09 23:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Blend all of the shading a whole lot.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 18:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Can you darken the shading, blend the edges a little more and make the ear pink slightly smaller so it doesn't fill the whole ear. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:38, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Sunspots - For Approval


I'm beginning to like ginger-and-white cats for some reason... I don't know. Anyways, here's Sunspots, a queen from CoOTC. She has like one line, so I thought I'd do her to make up for it. Constructments? -- Bramble My Realm 21:58, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Beautiful Bramble! I see nothing wrong. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:00, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The ginger is slightly bright. Try darkening it a tad? Hawkey  Ready for action 00:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I would add another ginger patch on her chest. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 01:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sparrowsong. Heh, I keep meaning to try a ginger or ginger and white cat, surprisingly I haven't done one before... -- Darkhallows Lair 04:21, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Can you darken the shading a little? I can barely see it. Other than that, this looks great! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:37, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Spottedleaf-For Approval
This is Spottedleaf!!Please tell me how to make her better!!<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 22:05, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like this alot! :D Just darken the shading on the bottem of the herbs a bit more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The one thing that's realy bothering me is her tail - it looks striped. :\ -- Quiet !...

She looks to... blurry. -- Darkhallows Lair 04:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Her tail is suppose to be a brown TABBY tail.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Darn it, her description is WAY too long for me to remember correctly. >w< -- Quiet !... 19:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Loner Blanks - For Approval


(M) - I did more of a Melonlemon-style with these blanks and I'm pretty happy with the way they turned out. I also made an example (The shading might be in the wrong places though.)



Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

These are great! Give the muzzle a bit more of a stop and the ears look weird... but I really like them. - Darkhallows Lair 22:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

this looks really good Mosswhisker! but since they're loners ,wouldn't the fur be a bit scruffier?--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Turquoise; background:Black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> ☆Darkkeh☆ uh...hi 22:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

For some reason the head looks a bit small to me... but they look great otherwise! -- Rain whisker 09 23:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Mosswhisker... you're amazing at making blanks! There are only a few things that I can say about these. Firstly, the neck looks a bit too thin, almost pinched, maybe you could make it a bit thicker. Also, I think there should be a bit more definition between the neck and the foreleg, it looks a little too smooth to me. These are incredible, though! <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 23:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanks guys! I'll change them tomorrow, after school. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Lilystar-For approval
I've had her sitting in my hard-drive forever, like over a month. I think she's pretty, but that's not for me to decide :D.-- Darkhallows Lair 23:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - WOW. Uber pretty! Just darken the ear pink a shade, its so light now that I can barely see it. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:02, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful. Just darken the ear pink and she should be good to go. Hawkey  Ready for action 00:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Darkened-- Darkhallows Lair 01:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Hawky. Comments before approval? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:25, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think that you need to blend the shading a lot more.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:58, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I like the shading... The nose needs to be pink though, not grey. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I think the shading's fine, but add a highlight in the eye too. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:21, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The shading is blended to 100%, and gray cats have gray noses (gray cat) I will change the eye though.--[[User:Darkhallows| Darkhallows] My den 23:28, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Tigerstar(Ro) - For Approval
I like making Tigerclaw. it's almost a kind of obsession... Sorry I haven't been around much, especially to you, Bracken. I'll try and be a bit more active. Opinions, critism? Or in Sandy's words, contructments? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

So many rogues up! I guess we all like out-of-clan cats. He looks a little silver as opposed to brown.-- Darkhallows My den 10:04, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I've purposely made the shading weird, well, rather the highlighting, because maybe he went to see a moonstone or an intense light on the ground during his time as a rogue as he was prophecised to lead ShadowClan. Just a random thought. Is it too light? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:18, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hm, actually I like it. It's different ^^.-- Darkhallows My den 10:25, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

That's the point ;D (lol) Are you sure you don't want me to change it? (Or anything else for that matter?) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:27, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I made the highlight on the beely a little bit lighter in the second image. Which one is better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I like the seconded one better Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 10:47, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The second one is better but I think that it looks to silver.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:57, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I <3 this :) I like the second image best... the one thing bothering me is that he's a dark brown tabby tom, and this really is kinda light... can you darken it a little maybe, without losing the great shading and highlights? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:52, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I love the sahding style on this! I think the second one's the best. Just darken it like Sandy suggested. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:16, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Flowerstem(Le) - For Approval
The leader that become of Flowerstem, one of the worst named characters I have ever had the un-fortunate to read about. Oh well. Any opinions? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:41, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Heh, seeing her name makes me think of the dandelion stems I ate as a little kid (don't ask). She's very pretty. Though I think the chest shading could use some work (I've been online for like.. 7 hours now xD, so glad a new image is up).-- Darkhallows My den 10:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

But I am asking. (Nah, lol don't worry. I used to eat little bean type things out of prickles. My friend told me that if I ate three I would gorw invisible fairy wings. That brought upon a month of jumping of a handrail in the school playground trying to fly.) Is she better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:24, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Lol. My dad said if you were thirsty to rip off the top and suck on the stem (I hope he was joking!), it didn't taste very pleasant. So yeah, for years I'd suck on flower stems. At any rate I think she looks great now.-- Darkhallows My den 10:32, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. (lol) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:34, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Blend all the shading.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:54, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Mentor/Apprentice program question
I seem to be having some trouble with it. Neither of my apprentices seem to be active (or at least, they haven't messaged me back). What happens if, say, an apprentice does not come on for a month or so?-- Darkhallows My den 10:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I have been wondering the same thing myself for a while (okay, two weeks. Whatever) Brambleberry is my apprentice but I haven't seen her in ages. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah my mentor Goldencloud hasen't been on in like 2 months. --Stonestar 11:50, September 8, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Maybe you could switch mentors so you would have an active apprentice. For example, Dawnfeather could have Stonestar, and any other apprentice with an inactive mentor could be apprenticed to Darkhollows. Just a suggestion. -- Rain whisker 09 12:26, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I would suggest (assuming this is alright with Bramble, of course) that as I have one active apprentice and today is the first time I have spoken to him all week about the stuff we have been doing together (or rather, should have been doing together) because I have a very unbalanced life in the way of busy-ness. For a month I may have hardly any homework at all and then I get a huge chunk and I can't be active for a week or two. Until I can get this more balanced, I tihnk that just the one active apprentice would actually be better for me at the moment. Darky however has no active apprentices and she obviously would like one, so I suggest, if that is okay with everyone, that Stonestar and Darky at least temporaliy partner up for this program. Sorry for rambling. It's just the way I do things. =D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:47, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

And Darkhallows has to agree as well. -- Rain swhisker 09 13:10, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

my mentor is also goldencloud (like stonestar) and she's like never on.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:08, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

My apprentice Spottedhead is on maybe every other day, but I haven't talked or heard from Snowflurry in days!Minnowclaw 17:23, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I am on every day and I don't have a mentor. Are there any free spots?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:25, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think I have most or all of the requirements to be a mentor for GIMP... I have 6 approved cats (if re-done cats count?) and I know how to do shading, eyes, and tabby markings. Of course, it's for Bramble and Sandy to decide if I'm ready, but if they say yes, and if you use GIMP (I don't know what program you were asking for) I might be able to do it... <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 19:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

If your talking to me I use www.pixlr.com, but I wan't to use GIMP becuase I rarely have an intranet connection.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 00:10, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to mentor anyone who uses GIMP (as I don't have any other programs). -- Darkhallows My den 00:28, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you brought this up, Shady. I've been thinking about it, and it does seem to be a slight problem. My own apprentice, Boltstar, hasn't been on a while. I think 2 weeks should be the inactivity limit, then the mentor's assigned a new, more active apprentice. If the former comes back, then they'll have to wait a bit. I know that seems harsh, especially as sometimes it's related to homework and personal issues and such, but if the active user is waiting, they should have it, so everyone gets trained faster. I'll keep an eye from now on the inactive and active members, and those members who are pending apprentices. Going to do it now; hopefully, myh connection will stay till then... -- Bramble My Realm 03:04, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Ratscar - For Approval
Alright, this is my first charart! Well, what do you think? I feel like I need a lot more shading, and I think that the scar looks a little weird... Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 20:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the scar looks strange, you should blend it a little bit, add some more shading and then blur it, otherwise......it looks okay. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 22:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is good for your first image! For the scar, lighten it so it's more pink, blur it thoroghly, and try putting it horazontally across the back. Lighten the ear pink and blur it too. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded! Okay, what else can I do to improve? I feel like I went crazy on the shading, and that the scar is too big, but I'm not really sure how to make it any smaller without destroying some of the shading, or the scar itself. Can anybody give me any suggestions, and tell me what you think? Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 00:59, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Redstar- for approval

 * So here's Redstar. I made him before Tweak week, but didnt have a chance to put him up. He's my first leader, so, comments? Criticism? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 00:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. Only I can't see the shading, darken it a little. The ear pink is also bright and fluro, try making it a more natural color. Hawkey  Ready for action 02:23, September 9, 2009 (UTC)