Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Colour example?
I was wondering if we could have a colour example image. I don't know if anybody knows what I mean, but sometimes when you're commenting on an image and you want the artist to change the earpink to a different colour or adjust the pelt colour, you can't properly describe what colour you mean, so you post an image (like I did under Mosspelt's tweaked image). However, once the image is finished and archived, your colour-reference image ends up floating around and taking up space if it doesn't get a delete tag. I was wondering if we could have a designated image that you can just reupload your colour onto for reference, so we don't end up cluttering the wiki with these random colour squares. Obviously it wouldn't be used very commonly, but it would be helpful for keeping clutter to a minimum. I dunno. Maybe this is a flawed idea... You tell me. Opinions? 01:46 Sat Oct 22

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about having one image that would have a specific name and you would just reupload this image with a new color when needed? Sorry, I'm a bit confused at what you are asking Dx 01:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry for confusion :3 01:52 Sat Oct 22

Hm, I see what your saying (i hope) But what if two people use the image at the same time, like one person posts a color for earpnk. And then somebody else uploads over with another color for eye color, for instance, blue, and posts under another image for approval. So the other person working on the other image and comes on seeing a person suggesting "blue" for earpink and be all like "wtf??" So, should it be only available to upload over once the image is archived? (Sorry if I was vague ^^;;) 02:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

We could have a section on the tutorail that have hex code examples. Then we dont need an image at all. 18:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Point, Guardian. Let's use Moonleaf's and my situation as an example. I figured that I could (when reuploading the image) add in the description section what the reupload was for, so when Moonleaf saw the image, she would check the image details and look at the proper version of the upload. If that makes any sense, nod your head XD Iceheart: for some people hex codes are really confusing, and I feel it'd be easier to just have one image that people can save and then colour-pick. 21:16 Sat Oct 22

I think we should just fix the pelt-to-earpink chart. For example, there is RED on the chart. There is not such thing as a pure-blood-red cat. I've used the earpink off of there and sometime it is incorrect. What say we just tweak that instead, for every pelt color ever used? And maybe the color of that pelt type as well (such as tawny or bracken for those of us who hardly know what those colors are). That way, a person could just color-pick off that :3  04:49, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Torties and Calicos
Should torties and calicos with orange/ginger patches have stripes on those patches? As we've discussed, all ginger cats are tabbies, even those that are only partially ginger. 19:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think they can, but they dont need to be redone to have stripes, just tweaked. 19:24, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's the artist's choice, really, to either add in stripes or not. Cause Ive seen some pictures on calicos with orange with no stripes (or maybe sometimes the stripes are just not noticable) 19:35, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

That cat had stripes. Look at its head. 19:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think we shouldn't bother tweaking them. I've seen plenty of torties without a tabby stripes, and they have ginger in them. And Shelly, all cats have that tabby M on the head, it doesn't neccesarily mean it's a tabby. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think we don't need to add stripes. In Hawaii, there was a calico, and there were no stripes. 23:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

If we're going to get techincal, then yes, but only facial markings. The general portion of their body doesn't have them and they are so faint, it seems a tad tedious. However, a torbie cat is a tabby/tortie or calico and should get stripes, but only if they were described as such. 02:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So no redoing/tweaking is needed, correct? 19:45, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivystripe, but do all cats have that 'tabby M' on their head, as in charart cats? 06:23, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wait
Wait for the new apprentice blanks, does it count as a tweak or a regular charart? 19:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak. Simple as that. 19:58, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So they actaully aren't going to be redone? (as in apprentices can't do them xD)

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  00:34, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if they'll be tweaks or if they'll be redone or if they'll qualify as a regular charart, but the blank is radically different from the old apprentice blank, so you can't just layer the new lineart over. 00:38 Mon Oct 24

Yeah, I thought we agreed it'd be a whole new project that EVERYBODY gets to do? I think that is only fair. 00:44, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being a part of that discussion, Ivy. Unless it was decided when I wasn't around. I guess it doesn't matter, does it? Tweak, whole new approval. Eh. Whatever. 00:46, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, TWO edit conflicts. XD Wait, you've seen it Wildy? Is it up now? Did I miss something? O.O *looks around anxiously* And I would think they would go on the approval page. That's what happened with the Prey hunter blanks, and those were just tweaked, not redone. And I remember that being said too Cloudy, you probably weren't here. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  00:48, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I hate edit conflicts XD I've seen it just 'cause Iceheart keeps on sending it to me with comments like "What should I change before I put it up for approval??" :P It's not up. 01:17 Mon Oct 24

So does anyone know the real answer? xD

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  19:10, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, but I think all images should be up for grabs, meaning it would count as an original image and not a redone image. There wouldn't be any tweaking involved. However, I don't have the final say. Iceheart? 04:41 Tue Oct 25

I'm not sure, I'd think it be a tweak because it's getting redone, but if the new blanks are different than the old ones like Wildheart said, then it should be a start from scratch charart, so all users can use them. 06:20, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think they should count as new chararts any way, because there's a lot, and we'd all need as much help we could get. 22:42, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

The original intetion was to be free game for everyone, and that seems like a lot of work for just warriors and leads. And ya Ivystripe Wildheart and Cloudskye have all had to deal with me emailing them the pictures and begging for advice. Theyre almost ready, but we arent working with them until April. 01:46, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Dates for Tweaks?
Could we change the tweak nomination page to have like a place where you can say when the image was added to the list or something? Cause we agreed that images should be on the list for at least a week so leads could check through and remove the ones that shouldn't actually be tweak/redone, but right now, it'd be so hard to tell when it was put on, the rule's not really able to be enforced. I think we should either get rid of the rule all together or add the dates when we added the images. And for the ones already on right now, a lead could look through them, remove the unneeded ones, then we could just add the date as a week ago. What do you guys think? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:42, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea, and I agree...but there will be tons of people that forget about it, myself included. I usually check and see which images are on there, and if they need to be tweaked. That whole one week rule is stupid, because some images REALLY need it. *coughs*Redwillow*coughs* 22:03, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes the the whole need to be on the list for a week thing was mostly just a safe gaurd so people wouldnt add it to the redo list, reserve it, and post all in the same 30 seconds. But mostly its just a pain. Is anyone willing to keep it? Or can we just throw it out the door? 01:38, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'd offer, but knowing me, I would forget. I say just chuck it, because there's really no point in it. It's quite annoying, if you ask me. >.>;; 02:00, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

So speak now or forever hold your peace? Im ready to can it, and from what i can tell everyone else is to. 02:07, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

I say, goodbye silly tweak rule. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  03:48, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Charart Alternates
I'm starting to think that we should add them to the "Characters Needing Art" because there are quite a few of them. And it would help a lot of we knew where to find the alts. 10:43, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah,I agree too. 12:33, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I honestly see no reason as to why we haven't thus far. 12:56, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I do too. I'm learning how to do this stuff, and I wanted to do a first charart, so I go to the "Characters Needing Art" and there are none. So it gives new users, who don't know where to go or what to do, a sense of what tehy can do. (I hop ethat made sense :3 ) 15:19, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it is something that they need, as any major pelt change necessitates a pixil. 17:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It's hard to find a charart to do when it's not on the list. 19:13, October 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Yes, someone should be in charge of that. Don't you think? 21:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think that a few people would be in charge of it, and certain people are assigned to check certain cats (Ex. Cats in ThunderClan, A-G) to see if they need alts. 23:00, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I can start on that now. Its the half-term holidays at the moment so I have a week off school to do nothing XD. 20:25, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Speckle, I think we should get an approval by one of the leads first. 20:27, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's what the page is used for, if you ask me. But, if you find an alt, by all means, put it on the page. 20:31, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think I've got all of the clan cats (but I might have made some mistakes). I'll do the cats outside of clans and SkyClan in the morning. 21:41, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Mentioned, but not seen?
Ok, so I was browsing over Mousefang's page earlier, and noticed he was mentioned as being a kit when SkyClan left the forest. Shouldn't he get a charart for that? We;ve made chararts for cats only MENTIONED as a rank, such as Toadstep and Rosepetal, and Barely and his siblings. I think we should decide once and for all whether characters get chararts for being mentioned or not. For now, it's never really been made completely clear as far as I know. And if this was already discussed, can we like add it somewhere, so people know you can make a charart for the character if they were only mentioned as a rank? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:08, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

^I meants She, for Mousefang, sorry. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  17:10, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I was wondering too because I wanted to do Firestar's kit before. I mean..he had dreams about when he was a kit and I mean...it's not like he isn't a kit in the first place. 17:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. If we're doing images for others like this, what would be the difference? 17:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. I see no reason not too, even though her saying that she was a kit was an error, as she was mentioned as a warrior before and during the move from the forest. 20:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

So it's decided. You may do them. -- 21:28, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Kay. But Shelly, how can we tell whether her being bentioned as a Warrior wasn't a mistake? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:31, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

We actually saw her as a warrior in the old forest in Battles of the Clans. She broke a leg, I believe. She was only mentioned as a kit. Logic dictates we go with what we saw and not what we heard in this case. 16:46, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Group Drawing
I finished the group drawing last night after about seven hours of coloring it in (plus about three days sketching and three hours putting in the line art). Here's the finished image: link to the image!

I'm also putting together a speedpaint video to go with it, which will be up sometime this week (my computer's having a hard time with the huge file). If it's alright to post the video here, of course. Otherwise I'll just post a link. I hope you guys like it. ^^ I love this project. 20:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O That is awesomely awesome. I will troll this image forever. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 20:32, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O.O That is friggin' epic! (Sorry for language :P) 20:36, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I like it! Maybe you should list who's in it, because I can't really tell who's who. 21:07, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

You're supposed to look on her talk page to see who is who, but there's quite a few cats with the same (or like) description. XD 21:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O I see me... :D I love it!

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  21:43, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

So, who's got this as their computer wallpaper? I know I do! XD 21:45, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm one of the white pelted and blue eyed cats. xD 22:25, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Any guesses what one I am? :3 Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 23:04, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I added in a key. 02:00, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

THIS IS SO AWESOME I LOVE YOU SHELLY <3 02:08 Wed Oct 26

Haha, thanks. Sorry I made you look scared out of your mind. 02:13, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh mai. This is epic. I LOVE YOO AND YOUR ART, SHELLY. <3 02:42, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the video... I hope it's alright to put this here for now. I saw no rules against it. 04:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's been blocked due to copyright issues... Shelly, what songs did you USE? 05:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

You have to be kidding me... Uhg. I'll fix it in the morning. Don't these people know that I'm not breaking any law as long as I am not profitting off of it? Oh well, nothing to do but pick different songs. 05:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! 05:48, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome,epic, great!!!!!! Leaf-storm 8:23,October 26,2011 (UTC)

That's amazing! 17:02, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the video's good now. I laid down the law to youtube. thumb|300px|left  Enjoy! 21:33, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

That drawing is epic! Love it! I put a comment on it on deviantART as my deviantART account, LeapingWolf4. I'm gonna put it as my desktop wallpaper.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 22:29, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Great music for the speedpaint =D Again, thanks so much, this is awesome, pure awesome 22:47, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome Shelly!!

Awesome Shelly. How Come I wasn't asked to be in this? *kinda looks hurt* Darkfangstorm  Vampire time!  23:02, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Rainface, sorry, but I put out an open invitation on this page for all project members to join in on the group shot. I guess you didn't see it. I'm glad you guys like it. ^^ I'm also happy so many are using it on their desktops. Someone may upload the image here as their personal image if they wish, as long as the image is attributed to me. I've released it into limited creative commons through deviantart. 23:07, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

It must of been up that time i wasn't here. It's okay Shelly. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  23:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Kits
Every living cat was a kit. In the warrios series, same goes for that. Cats can get queen blanks with the new rule, why not kits. I am saying should we have kit chararts for every cat? It makes sense. 00:27, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

That would take forever to do. I think we've done enough with the whole queen issue...that might be pushing it a tad. 00:28, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

That's precisely why me and Kitsu voted no on the queens for that logic alone. They might as well since nobody ever saw Wind as a queen, as well as others 00:29, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

No, we only make chararts for those who has been seen or mentioned in that rank. Besides, it would only be more useless work - 00:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I will be on the PCA IRC channel if anyone wants to discuss. 00:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this might be a tiny bit hypocritical of me to say this, since I proposed the new queen rule, but I'd say no to the kit thing. I wanted the queen rule for any cat mentioned as a queen, and that's what we got. And we have kit images for every cat mentioned or seen as a kit. To make a kit image for every cat would be ridiculous and would contradict our other guidelines concerning images. 02:17, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I say no. If we do every cat as a kit, that would mean most cats would have an apprentice, warrior, deupty (if so) and if they're not clan born, a rogue, loner or kittypet. That just doesn't make sence, and it would be too much work. 06:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, you're not being a hypocrite. You hit the nail on the head with your statement, and for that matter, Owl, so did you. It's too much work, and would just take forever to do. 15:15, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

And, hey, for all we know some cats might have just popped into existence full grown. Stranger things have happened in this series. 16:43, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. And besides, back to images being approved before they are ready, the tweak list is long and making a kit image for everyone would just make the list longer. Now, i also agree with Shellheart on the stranger things happening cause that has happened. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  19:10, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

We already have to re do all the apprentice images. I say no on this. 19:16, October 26, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I would not be a happy camper if we tried this. Im saying waaay no. A line needs to be drawn somewhere. 01:39, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I got a question for y'all
Hey guys. I thought about it, and I'm going to do a speedpaint for the tutorial to show off my style. I'm going to do one for different styles to show them off. I was just wondering, though...would anybody be too terribly offended if I actually talked during it so I can explain things? I don't want to scare anyone away with my terrible voice but I find it easier to explain things as I go instead of later. 15:10, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Your work is amazing, and it would be of great use to us. Why in the name of StarClan would anyone argue it? It's easier to explain things in spoken words then text (for me), anyways. I say go for it. =) 15:14, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, done and put on the apprentice tutorials =) Enjoy guys.  18:39, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Rejoining
May I rejoin, and do I have to rejoin as a kit, 'cause I was an apprentice when my name was removed?Bluestar11796 22:10, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

The kit system was done away with months ago. 23:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you may, and you may do a charart right away since you will be an apprentice. Since some things have changed, I'd suggest you take a look at the guidelines. Welcome back! 23:15, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice?
May I become an apprentice?

L i t t l e C i n d e r s t o r m ♥  00:30, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Bluestar
I'm a little confused here. Bluestar needed a alt kit charart, so I made it, and I was about to put it up, but there already was one on her page, and before there wasn't one on her page. So does she need it or not? 00:47, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Stoneclaw named the file wrong. She already has a dark gray alt, so if that's the one you were going to make, I'm sorry, but it's not needed. 00:49, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Snake, Ice, and Poppycloud
Ok, I noticed that the shading on Snake's charart needed some serious blurring, and Ice had an under bite. Should they be tweaked for that. And should they get a loner alternate, 'cause they appeared as black-and-white in the manga. And Poppycloud's description says she's tortoiseshell (w/ no white), and her charart shows her tortoiseshell-and-white. Should she be tweaked? Bluestar11796 01:14, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ice only had an underbite in the manga, it isn't needed for the official image. Also, torties can have white without being tortoiseshell-and-white as long as it isn't a lot. If you want to see what is in need of tweaking you can look here and add what you want (though Snake is already on the list to get his shading fixed). 01:21, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Also, Snake and Ice already have alternates for their pelt changes. 03:07, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Is it wrong I was really happy when I saw this, cause I realized I had a reason to tweak my old horrid image when I saw this? XD Anyways, Ivy, she said LONER alts, they have rogue alts. And I think they would, but I don't know what they were in the manga, I never read them. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  03:18, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oh dang it, you meant Snake's ROGUE charart didn't you. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  03:35, October 27, 2011 (UTC)