Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Clovertail for approval


A piece of artwok that I am throwing at you because I got bored, once again. I need advice! --Mumble785 17:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You're adding a highlight down the back, instead of shading. As I have said, use Gorse's Weaselfur as a model for shading. --Mal lin ois  21:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You can add a highlight too, but I think you need a thicker band of shading behind it before the highlight--Sandy Leader's Den 16:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Is that better? --Mumble785 00:20, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I can see that the outline's blended. -- Mal lin ois 13 23:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Better? I also added more shading. -- MU MB LE 785  18:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks too dark. -- Mallinois B e w a r e  o f   F l u f f y 22:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

ok. i need to put some of my images on hold, including this one. not able to be as active as I used to. :( -- MU MB LE 785  18:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything to fix in this. It's really good, I think it's the best one I've seen so far. Can someone please approve this? Please.-- Thornpath togehodou 05:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

-Gets excited- Thanks, Thornpath! -- MU MB LE 785  20:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I love it, i really do, but i think that the shading under the chin is a little bit weird. Have a look at weasel fur, and try and make the shading there stick out a little more underneath the head? Dawnfeather 23:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok. -- MU MB LE 785  17:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Updated. Is that better? (P.S. Sorry for my absence...) -- MU MB LE 785  18:17, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

This is excellent Mumble. Any more comments before this is approved? G B 57 23:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is really good. The only thing I can see is that the ear pink seems a little too big on the lower side Apart from that it's ready --Sandy Leader's Den 16:34, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the neck makes it seem as if there is no cheek/jaw bone (or the cat equilvalent). Make a small dip on the upper part to make it better. -- Dawnfeather 08:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

This hasn't been worked on in awhile, I say just approve it.--DarkHallows Lair 22:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I am not part of Project Character Art, but I'd like to say that this matches the good quality of the other art on WWiki. - Sparrowwing  talk  23:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh come on, Darkhallows! Let us perfectionists have our fun! :D -- Dawnfeather 08:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Lol, go ahead. I just hope Mumble comes on soon. [S]he has nice images. --DarkHallows Lair 10:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Elder Blanks - For Approval
We are in need of elder blanks, so i thought i would make some. What do you think? I'm having some troubles with the size.Dawnfeather 04:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you should get rid of the smile, and mabye make it look grumpy... You know elders... -- Mallinois Fluffy Power 13:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Grumpy enough? There is something about the back which bothers me. Anyone else feel the same way? Tell me if you can think of what it is. I've only been a user on here for a few weeks, and I noticed that Kitsu hasn't been on since late November last year. Does anyone know where she is? she seem's like the authority on this project from what i've heard. Dawnfeather 23:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Kitsu's been very busy lately, so she hasn't been on a lot. I don't see a problem with the back, could you explain it to me? -- Mallinois Fluffy Power 13:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, but the short haired ones' backs seems too flat or something. Dawnfeather 21:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

i see what you mean about the backs. Maybe try making a SMALL dip in the center, to give it the look of a wither/shoulder and a rump/hindquarter. Flam efeat her 18:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thanks, I think they look better, but is it too extreme now? Dawnfeather 05:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I think they look excellent! But the ear on in front looks round on top... not to be fickle... ::Applestar4904 16:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

These look pretty good. One thing did jump out though: the outline on the bottom edge of all the tails and under their chins is blurry - is this intentional? They definitely look grumpy to me! There is also something about the ears...I can't put my finger on it exactly. I think it maybe that the back of the head seems to stick out quite a lot and it looks a bit un-natural...I dunno. Perhaps that's just me. Good work though! --Sandy Leader's Den 19:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the neck thinner, changed the ear, and made the outline darker. Is it better? Applestar, I love the name! It's a pity we find nothing more about Applekit in the books after Starlight. (Sorry, a bit off topic! But while im at it, can someone help me make a sig? I don't know how to do all that HTML stuff...) Dawnfeather  08:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It Looks Great! And thanks, lol ..::Applestar4904 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone got anymore suggestions? Come on, I know it's not perfect yet! Dawnfeather 22:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I know I'm not an official member yet, (at least I don't think I am) but the head seems a bit to big to me. (I should talk though, I'm terrible at drawing cats! =p)--<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Merlock the Wizard <font color="Black" style="background:Red">Lets talk  16:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thanks, I appreciate the consructive critism. I only changed the short hairs co they were ridiculously out of porportion. I'm not sure whether or not to change the long hairs as well. ???? THey look better, but still a bit odd. Dawnfeather 06:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that the longhair's heads look just fine. In fact, I think they're good enough to use, but I'm not really a member yet, so I can't make that decision. XP I'm sure they'll be used though. --<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Merlock the Wizard <font color="Black" style="background:Red">Lets talk  21:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The lines from mid-neck to mid-back need evening out. Darkhallows 21:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

???? Sorry, Darkhallows, but what? Can you explain in further detail what you mean please? ???? Thanks Merlock! I hope you're right, but if you are, it'll be in a while. I'ld be the first cat to admit that these need a lot of work, especially the short-haired ones. I'm a perfectionist, but they look weird! <font color="Orange" style="background:Gray"> Dawnfeather  <font color="Red" style="background:Silver"> I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 10:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, firstly the heads of the longhaired ones are now way bigger than the shorthaired which looks strange. Secondly, they look like they ahve really fat forelegs (closest one) especially the shorthaired... Also, is there any way to further distinguish between male and female other than the eyes? --<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 14:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

How to tell them apart; On the long hairs, the female's fur is a little bit neater, and on the short hairs the female has a smaller line defining the shape of the chest. On both of them the front paws are slightly slimmer and there is that thing with the eyes. I don't have enough time right now to work on these, I'm going away over easter, and then im going away with my family, but I think we'll still stay at a place with internet, 'cos my brother is in his final year of school and he has a few essays to write over the holidays! I'll try and do that stuff before then tho. <font color="Orange" style="background:Gray"> Dawnfeather  <font color="Red" style="background:Silver"> I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 06:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Now you've pointed it out I can see there are a lot of differences! Sorry I was being unobservant! --<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 11:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That's okay! I didn't really want to make them too obvious, but do you think they should be? <font color="Orange" style="background:Gray"> Dawnfeather  <font color="Red" style="background:Silver"> I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 12:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I re-adjusted the head and body porportions, and I think they look better, but they are still a bit weird. Any thoughts? I'll get around to the paws a little bit later, I haven't got time right now. <font color="Orange" style="background:Gray"> Dawnfeather  <font color="Red" style="background:Silver"> I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 02:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going away for a week and a half from today, just so everybody knows. Dawnfeather 23:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! What I mean is, the lines from top of the head to the back of the neck aren't as smooth as the others (I'm assuming that's where you edited them). --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows <font color="red" style="background:Black">Lair 06:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed that the lineart on the shorthairs is all fuzzy around the head area--<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 12:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I know. I'm struggling to fix them, but my efforts are so bad so far that I haven't yet posted any of them. The short haired ones look so bad, I think I'll just fix up the longhaired, and then edit those into shorthairs, using my current shorthairs as a guide. -- Dawnfeather 07:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay,I cleared up the lines, reajusted the head, and I think it's heaps better. Any opinions? Dawnfeather 10:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I have been working on these for a while now, but I want to know people's opinions. Do you think that, even with work, these pictures could ever be accepted? It's a pretty big thing to accept a blank, so I don't know if these will ever be up to scratch. Don't get me wrong, I want to make these offical, that was the whole point of posting them. I'm just not sure if they are, or ever will be good enough. Please post your opinions on this! Dawnfeather  11:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I definitely think these could be approved in the fairly near future. I like the longhaired ones but I think the lineart of the shorthaired needs to be slightly thicker to make them consistent with each other Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, you could go over them with a thicker brush...--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 06:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the lines wider, but now they are too wide, even though I only changed them by a pixel. I'm really not so sure how these would work. The tail, back and ears stil look weird to me. Mind you, I am a perfectionist, and this is my own work. Dawnfeather 06:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I think they look great with the thick lines, but you only did the shorthairs.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 22:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the long-hair's lines wider.

The front shoulder is annoying me. Any ideas? Dawnfeather 10:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, try slimming down the females... If you want I could get some ref pictures of my cats for you.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 02:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry? I don't understand you again.

Oh yeah- i can't make the background transparent. Can someone please do this for me, if it isn't too big an ask. It just won't co-operate with me. Dawnfeather 06:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I have a habit of doing that. The front of the leg, slim the female's down maybe? Also, I can make them transparent if you want.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Darkhallows. I mean the shoulder, not the leg. I'll try what you said anyway. Dawnfeather 07:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. The top one is the modification of Shorthaired female. I'm not sure if it is better or not, so please post your opinions. Dawnfeather 06:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I prefer the new version. It looks more natural. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the new one.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest with myself, I don't like either verion. Neither look right to me, and I'm going to think about withdrwing this to free me up to work on other pics. I may not though. -- Dawnfeather 03:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't withdraw them! These are really good, and are almost ready for approval. We need more blanks, and you're doing all of us a huge favor by working on these. Don't give up now. I personally think these are ready, except for a few minor touches. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 03:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments Bramble, but I really can't agree. I know that we need more blanks, but I would feel bad if these were accepted because I don't think that they are good enough. I'm sure someone else could make something better. The front foreleg just plain looks weird to me. The tail and ears do to, even if I'm not sure what is wrong with them. I am very perfectionist and I don't want these to be approved if they are not perfect. As i said, very perfectionist. ;) -- Dawnfeather  04:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed the leg thing on all of them, including making it a bit wider. It still seems strange, but it looks a lot better. Bramble, GB, please do not approve this yet! I know you like it, but it could still be better, and I am not willing for it to be accepted if it can be better. (remember, i'm perfectionist! Maybe i should put that in my sig...) I am going to have a go at clouring one to see if they are easy to use. -- Dawnfeather 07:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Please- anything I can do? I know it needs improvements. Bramble, you mentioned it needed aa few tweakings. What are they!? -- Dawnfeather 06:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Something seems a little awkward about the ears, try adding a line in front of the further one (like on the warrior blanks), if you know what I mean. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed the ear again. Anything else? Again, I say, DO NOT APPROVE IT YET! 8O (yelling with wide eyes.)-- Dawnfeather 08:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh! I misunderstood you! I tried that, but i'm not sure if it looks good or not, so i only did one, and put it up with the inedited ones. What do you think? -- Dawnfeather 08:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

It's OK! I really like it. I can't see much else wrong with them (do you want me to make them transparent?).--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 10:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do! I have also mucked up the gender thing I think, have have piut two of the shorthaired the same gender or something. Just for future reference, are you a he or a she? Just in case you can't tell by my name, i'm a she! You said you can't see 'much else' wrong with them- what can I fix? Dawnfeather is in a rush and cannot sign in!

Blossomkit - For Approval
I took a stab at a tortoiseshell. The white spots aren't that good, though. -- Gοlδεn pαω 23:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Try to add a little more order to the patches. They all overlap and clash. Google tortoiseshell and see how some real ones look. Right now it just looks like she got splattered with paint(no offense, it's a cute vision in my mind ;) -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:15, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I own a tortie, and not a bit of her color is organized.=/ -- Gοlδεn pαω 02:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Bramble, I think the patches are fine. You don't want to organize the patches. That just makes the cat look...staged. Goldenpaw, if you could brighten the ears a little bit, this would actually be ready for approval. Nice job :). <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 04:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks messy. Not like you were discussing earlier, like how it is organised. I think that there are too many different shades of ginger, and the tranitions between colours are just smudged everywhere. Most of the body is covered in randomness (which i don't mind) and then on top of the head it is all dark. Also, I think there needs to be tabby markings in the ginger bits, from looking at my cats. Torties aer just ginger tabbys with black splattered iver them, and then sometimes white too. I can't remember, because this has taken me a few minutes to write, but I don't think there was much shading either. Dawnfeather 04:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Edited. Though, I think the colors I choose for the orange and cream seem a bit unnatural. I think I should change it later.=/ -- Gοlδεn pαω 04:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this is very nice. Excellent job, Goldenpaw! Any more comments before approval? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 04:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the contrast is too high between the greys and the other colours. Maybe a brownish colour for the body? -FaRReR

Also, it doesn't look very 3-D, especially around the boundary between the neck and the head.

You added a bit of shading on the back, but the change between that and the lighter black is too sudden. Blend it some more. The needs to be more shading - on the other side. The oranges are still too bright and unnatural, and maybe use less different ones, just the one orange/ginger. Then put tabby markings on them. Dawnfeather 05:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC) I disagree, GB.

The only thing I see wrong with this is the small smudges that are out of the lines. Fix those, and this is ready. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 05:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you, but i just did a bit of research. Shadowclan blossomkit it white, and thunderclan blossomkit is a brown tabby with a dark stripe down her back. Neither are tortie. Dawnfeather 05:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather's right. FaRReR 05:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather was trying to post that for 15 minutes. She is really really angry. Whatever you are doing, keep it up ;) -Devestatorie, Older brother of Dawnfeather.

I guess you wouldn't mind if I smashed in this computer. You always hog the laptop. XP Dawnfeather  05:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Changed the ginger a bit. And the brown tabby thing is a mess-up. When she was born in Eclipse, she was tortoiseshell-and-white. -- Gοlδεn pαω 06:31, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

but offically she is a brown tabby with a dark stripe down her back.. Dawnfeather 06:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Did they forget why they named her Blossomkit in the first place?=/ -- Gοlδεn pαω 06:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

yeah, it seems so. But still, offically shes brown. Maybe we should wait for GB to use his authority to make a decision. In my opinion, she should be done brown, but if you continue to do her tortie, i would suggest following these steps;

1)colour a kitten a ginger pattern that you are happy with. If you feel like it, add tabby

2) add the (large) splashes of black

3) add the white 'petals' that Millie described.

don't forget the ears, eyes, nose, ec. Dawnfeather 06:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The ginger patches are way too bright and unnatural, and I just noticed that there's no shading. -- Mallinois Fluffy's Territory 12:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather, officially she's tortie. Her first description is the true one. They even said they were naming her because of her pelt. She's tortie. Now, let's keep this conversation civil, or I'll have to ask that you don't comment in this section. Goldenpaw, this is lovely, I just need for you to clear up the smears that managed to escape the lines, and maybe a bit of shading on her. That'll be enough. :) <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 14:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Edited. At first, I was just using the burn for shading, but now I did it by hand.;3 -- Gοlδεn pαω 15:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoa! I liked it at first, but now she looks like she fell in Kraft Mac & Cheese! Maybe you could change the colors back. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 18:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

xD I'll get right to it. -- Gοlδεn pαω 19:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, this sure has caused some problems. I've been looking at the image for about five minutes just trying to decide whether I like it. I actually do - especially the head. The only problem I can see is that the ginger on the body just seems a little too bright. I'm not sure though. (ps. GB, What is Kraft Mac & Chesse out of interest?) --<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 16:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I've worked it out. The ginger patches seem to stand out from the pelt as if they're 3D themselves on top of the actual coat...--<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 17:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Also - the background needs to be transparent Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 20:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

More shading, and the ginger patches need to be less bright, as they standout at the moment. Make the tabby markings wider. -- Dawnfeather 08:11, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Re-using Pics.
I was wondering if I could re-use my Greenflower picture for a more suitable cat. (e.g. Sorreltail) I grew quite attached to it, so I would like to be able to still use it. Dawnfeather 11:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you can do that, Dawnfeather. Just resave the picture as whichever cat you want to do and then add in a section for that cat. Glad you want to, because I really liked your tortoiseshell. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 12:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't see it as a problem as long as it isn't being used for another cat as an approved image and as long as it fits. --<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 16:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, you can do that. I really liked it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Ill wait for Mousefur to be removed, and Elder blanks to be declined or accepted before i put it up though. It's hard work, I've spent hours on it and I haven't even done half the shading. Dawnfeather 04:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I know how rude this is, and I'm sorry in advance. Can I please reserve Sorreltail? I have done hours of work on her, but I can't put her up until the elder blanks are finished! The pain... Thanks guys. Dawnfeather 06:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't usually allow this, but that pic was beautiful, so go ahead. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks GB. I'm so sorry that I was really rude about this, but I couldn't not at least try. Again, thatnks GB. Dawnfeather  06:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

IRC Channel
We now have a channel for PCA: #wikia-warriorcats-pca. Anyone there? If so, get on the IRC. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 20:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What's an IRC channel? Dawnfeather 06:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's like a chatroom. If you look on the left hand side of your page there will be a link that says 'Warriors Wiki IRC' If you click that and then add '-pca' to the end of the channel, type in a nickname and connect then you can talk to other members freely on the channel without the hassle of talk pages. (I think that's it) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 10:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

In fact, Sandy, that's exactly it. Good job. Maybe you could get on? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Whenever I get on there never seems to be anyone else! I'll try :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

==Lionheart- for approval==

Well I said that I needed to start on something easier to start on, so I did Whitewing. Please critic [but not harshly!:)] Sandwich 989

Yellowfang - For Approval
I made a Yellowfang one: Mistystream 22:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

She's a medicine cat, and Charart doesn't have Medicine Cat Blanks yet. And did you use Grandient on the fur? <font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="Violet" >Warrior♥ 23:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I moved the image over because it was going into the next section. We don't have a medicine cat blank.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Charart Mistystream. Firstly, this is not going to be accepted as a medicine cat image because it is the warrior blank and we do not have a medicine cat blank yet. There are a few other problems with the actual image however: 1) The outline colour has been changed to pale grey where it really needs to stay black 2) The background is balck and needs to be transparent 3) The cat needs to be a single pelt colour with a lot of shading, highlighting and blending to give it a realistic look. The most common areas for shading are on the belly, head, legs, tail, chest and back. Hope this helps Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

actually, it's me, Mistyfur. Yea, I know, It suckz. And I did use gradients. It is good if the cat is silver. Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

Hi Mistyfur (sorry I didn't know it was you because you didn't sign with your siggie). It doesn't suck, it just needs some work to fit in with the goals the project. [You should have seen some of my first work...GB'll tell you how awful it was ;)] You just need to keep trying and wokring on all the constructive critisism. I would suggest firstly trying a character who is actually a warrior or maybe an apprentice or kit if you'd prefer because those are the ranks we have blanks for. Then find a programme you like working with and have a go at using shading to recreate the cat. Good luck Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but don't EVER mention GB to me!!!!!!!!!! DX! Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

As you wish, I'm not getting involved in this one Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thnx. Can I help with another character? I want to try Hawkfrost... And, I don't think I joined, I was bored so I decided to do that. Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

Of course you can do another character. You can start working on him now and as soon as this is approved/declined (or you could withdraw it yourself) then you can post a new character. Good Luck! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does the medicine cat one have to look different though? And wasn't she a warrior too?

The medicine cat has to look different because she is of a different rank and that should be recognised. I don't remember whether Yellowfang was once a warrior; my first instincts say yes but it may be my imagination. Can anyone confirm this with a reference?? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yellowfang was never warrior. She has been medicine cat, rogue, prisoner, and then medicine cat again. Medicine cat before the books...rogue during Into the Wild and then became prisoner of ThunderClan. Then became medicine cat near the end of that book which she later died at that status. Now Mistystream could you please remember to sign with the 4 tiles, and we didn't come up with this rule for the cats at a different status to be different, Gorse did. None of us can change that, and personally I like the idea. Because of Yellowfang being a medicine cat I say this should be declined, but I do not hold that status so I shall leave it to GB or Kitsu.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that they said in the first book that 'Yellowfang had once been a warrior, which was unusual for a medicince cat.' That is not the exact wording, but it is something like it. Sandwich, can can you please sign with the time part? -- Dawnfeather 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawnfeather. But around the muzzle it looks pretty cool. Sandwich 989

Join?
Hello! I wanted to know if I can join Charart...? I used to make graphics, and I still do once in awhile...for myself. I don't plan on making any Warrior Wiki images, but I wanted to help the ones for approval by making comments. :) <font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="Violet" >Warrior♥ 23:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to join to comment on pics. Feel free to anytime. Dawnfeather 10:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Your added. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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Eaglekit - For Approval
I did Eaglekit, since Briarkit was finally approved. Criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it, but the chin line could be a little thinner. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 00:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree. Cute though!--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 00:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I think more shading is needed on the sides and top of the head Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The chin line where it connects with the right side of the body needs to be thinner. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Lots thinner. Also, It looks rather flat because it is generally one colour (in the middle, the edges have shading so they look better). Too fix this, I would suggest a bit more shading between the front legs, and some highlights. -- Dawnfeather 08:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Nettleclaw- for approval
I don't like him as much as Honeyfern, but here he is. Eye color wasn't specified, so I just chose randomly.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 00:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

No offense, but it looks like he's got cracks in him or something.. Like he's a cat statue, and he's cracking. --67.246.117.193 01:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)LightningstarLST not logged on

Those are tabby marks. Any other comments before this excellent pic is approved? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 01:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Can the tabby marks be blurred any more? Other than that, I love this pic. You're getting really good at this, Darkie ;). Your art's beautiful. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I tried, but it looked like a blurry mess. I tryed to upload it even, but it's not showing up.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 04:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Leave it like this then. It looks fine. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 19:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I like this but I think the ears needs a touch more pink colour - it's slightly grey now. Good work Darkhallows Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It's grey on purpose, look up gray tabbies. But I can change it if you want me too.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 00:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The tail looks very.... regular? Make it more random. Then this will be ready for approval. -- Dawnfeather 05:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Randomized the tail, for some reason it looks like it blurred outside the lines a little- it's not. I've check over and over in my GIMP, nothing there... --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 03:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks good. I think this should be aprroved. -- Dawnfeather 06:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Ivykit - For Approval


I coloured Ivykit a while ago and have bene waiting for my Whitethroat to be approved. Now that it is here she is :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

This is really pretty. I can see nothing wrong with it. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 19:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I had an Ivykit, but this one is much better. The eyes would look better green, though. I think they're green on the cover of Fading Echoes. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 20:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes. I do agree with that. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I originally had the eyes amber because that was what was written on her page, but green does look better. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I like her a lot. Maybe make one of the patches extend a bit further into the belly, or add another patch because her belly looks very empty. (Maybe she's hungry! :) )-- Dawnfeather 08:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that it's beautiful! I had an Ivykit that I wanted to try to get approval, but this one is amazing and perfect! Minnowclaw 15:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)MinnowClaw


 * Sorry Minnowclaw - I didn't know you had one, and thanks :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Don't say sorry, if you put mine next to yours, there would be a big difference and I think that the website should have the best and that's yours! MinnowclawMinnnowclaw

Thanks :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

This is great, it should be approved. -- Dawnfeather 06:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow... she's beautiful! <font color="Blue" style="background:Orange">Nightgaze <font color="Orange" style="background:Blue">Rawr! 02:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Ashfur - For Approval
Oh, Ashfur. You had to go all crazy. I remember when you were innocent, and you tried to protect your friend Cloudpaw from getting into trouble... oh Ashie...

Sorry, I got emotional ;). I used to love him. Any comments for improvement on him? -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I like the eyes, but the speckles are rather unrealistic. Perhaps they could be changed to a darker gray?? -Firebird2102

Mabe he can be a little bit darker like the one for Ferncloud is? But its really great otherwise. Sandwich 989

He needs more shading and the speckles look unrealistic. -- Dawnfeather 05:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Possibly more shading on his muzzle. I'm not sure if he does need to be darker because he was described as a 'pale grey (with darker flecks) tom with blue eyes... Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The background needs to be transparent though :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It is transparent. I did add more shading and on the muzzle, and made the speckles darker. As for them being unrealistic, I don't really see what you mean. Perhaps some tips on how to make them realistic? -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 17:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They look alright to me, but you could try looking up spotted tabbies (things like this are quite helpful). Nice picture Bramble.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 22:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They are evenly spaced, about the same size, and end abruptly at the belly. Maybe make them more random in size and spacing, and make them closer together. -- Dawnfeather 05:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Bramble, must be my cp again...I think this is almost ready for approval...these spots are of the same style as Ferncloud's who was approved...and the image is realistic. Perhaps you could make them of different sizes though. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips! I made the flecks more spaced out along the body, differently sized, more randomly spaced, and I tried to keep them close together. Darkhallows, I would look up spotted tabbies, but the thing is Ashfur's not really a tabby, he's a pale gray tom with darker gray flecks. Any thing else? (sorry, you can really tell I've had no experience with a flecked cat) -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 14:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful Bramble Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I like it now. Approve it! -- Dawnfeather 08:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Graystripe for approval
I really like him but I need to hear what you think about him. Minnowclaw 15:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

This is a good first try Minnowclaw but there are a few things that need improving. Firstly, Greystripe is a solid grey tom with darker grey stripe along his back so he shouldn't really have tabby markings all over. Also, The tabby markings here look like he's been scratched with barbed wire - try looking at some of the approved images for some ideas about tabby markings (tabbies are always harder to colour). His ear also needs the pink triangle added and the whole image needs shading to make it look more 3D and realistic. Make sure you blend the shading into the pelt for natural transitions. Keep up the good work! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I this any better? Minnowclaw 18:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * It is better but the ear pink needs to be less bright and needs to be blended into the pelt. Also, the shading is all white...ideally it should be a slightly darker shade than the pelt and should be along the outline of the cat. The best places are the top of the head, the chest, the front of the foreleg, the line of the belly, the back and on the left side of the tail Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Any better? Minnowclaw 01:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Like Sandy said, the ear needs to be blended in and so does the shading. Are you using paint or a image editor? The tabby markings also need to be gone, like stated before, Graystripe has just one gray stripe running along him from head to back.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This is really good! The only thing is that to me he looks like he has a brown or green tint to it. Sandwich 989

There is no shadin gon the back, and all of the markings need to be blended a bit. Not so much tabby is needed, and the eye seems to have a think outline. -- Dawnfeather 06:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Did that stuff, I don't really know what you ment by blending but I did what I thought looked good.

Bluring the edges of two different colours into each other so they are joint smoothly. It now needs more shading, and the eye is pure orange - where is the pupil? -- Dawnfeather 06:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The ears need a bit of shading, and the eye, I think, really needs to be more of a orange-amber. -Firebird2102


 * Adding the pupil made it look odd but is this better or less shading?

You need to blend the shading so it looks more natural. The eyes look too red rather than orange, and the pupil is rather small and hard to see. Sf <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 1:48, May 13 2009 (UTC)

It looks too small. Add a white pixel in the pupil, and BLEND the shading. -- Dawnfeather 06:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

join
I really would like to join and I hope I can. Minnowclaw 15:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)minnowclaw

On my joining the project...

 * I saw that I've joined the project, and now that I've got four pics

accepted, I want to ask if I can make fursonas for other users. Even if I don't need permission, I just want to ask first. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 21:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)