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Birchfall (Alt. W) - For Approval
Before any of you say something about blurring the shading/highlights, I just want to say I've blurred it as much as Pixlr has allowed me. Someone want to help? 01:07, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll blur it in GIMP. 01:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! 01:56, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Amke the ear pink more triangular, blur it, and make it more red. 02:26, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I blurred the shading for you, but I don't think I did it enough though :P 06:02, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the ear-pink more noticeable. 17:37, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Some of the highlights have to be blurred more as well. Also there is some blurred lineart on his front left paw and back left leg. The eye color looks like a brown, maybe make it more amber. 20:05, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I darkened the shading, re-did the earpink, and triple-checked for blurred lineart. I found nothing. Besides, I took the eye color from the regular Birchfall. I also blurred the shading as much as it'll blur. Will someone heelp me a teensy-bit more? 03:40, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Could you fix the earpink? 12:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink as well to make it more noticable. (Phew, glad I'm not the only one who uses Pixlr on everything!) 21:16, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Add some shading ot the chest and maybe add highlights (If they are already there brighten them :3). 01:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I didn't add too much shading to his chest, 'cause the light is kinda coming, like, directly in front of there. I also fixed the earpink, and blurred everything to the max. Can someone help me some more? 03:04, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'll blur it some more if you want :) 03:42, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please! 03:45, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- It helped some. Could use a bit more... 04:04, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-re-uploaded- Sorry did the wrong one the first time X /. 04:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

lol....anyway, thanks Iceheart! 00:17, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink either brighter or darker, whichever makes it look more noticeable. 01:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I darkened it. :S 03:32, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink bigger and scoot it farther up the ear a little. MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:03, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:53, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading.  Mistfire 1000 Edits!  17:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

darken the ear-pink. Maybe make it a bit of a dark red/maroonish color? Scarlet wind Step into the Light 19:19, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:15, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Move the earpink up a little bit in the ear and maybe widen it a bit because it looks too thin, but don't make it too big. :3 20:44, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job =D Make the ear pink a lighter color because it's too red. --  Icy 123   ♥  23:59, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I didn't lighten it, because I'm not too sure what people want me to do. Some say darken, others say lighten. :P 00:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know this has been said before, but the earpink really should be lighter. It needs to match the coat more. Don't lighten it a lot, but it shouldn't be so dark-purple. --  Wildheart  Living with only my thoughts. 06:59, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Wildheart on this. Also, can the shading be darkened? It looks like there's not a lot there.  Skye Meow 22:09, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Just darken and blur the shading, and lighten the ear pink a bit, like Wildheart said. 22:24, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I blurred the shading a lot, so if it needs more, [which it probably does] can someone help me? 02:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I will. 02:15, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I blurred the shading a lot, and I feel your pain, Rainlegs. It was really hard to do. It involved the smudge tool, and halfway through I realized I'd killed the ear pink so I had to erase it and redo it since I didn't wanna start all over with my blurring. The changes aren't showing up for me, though. Are they for any of you? 02:56, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, they're showing up now. Does anyone else think the shading could be darkened a bit? I think I over-blurred. :/ 02:56, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yay, someone finally understands my issues with this cat! XD I think it could be darkened a tad more. Do you want me to do it, or would you still want to do it, so you can blur it after it's added? 03:02, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

It's your charart, so, it's your call. :3 03:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmkay. I darkened it, can you blur it some more? 03:17, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Mmkay. 21:46, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading on the back.  Mistfire Spring rainfalls  20:16, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink. 14:35, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add some shading to the left (our left) ear and the neck. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:28, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Add some shading to the chin/neck area Night  shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

I blurred the shading. 21:06, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I added the chin shading, but I think it needs to blurred more. :P 01:03, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah blur that =) Put your blur tool on 100%, if it isn't already. --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:35, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

There is like a stripe on his neck, get rid of that. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 13:40, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. @Maplepool- It's shading, not a stripe. Anyway, I blurred it to the max. Can someone help me? :P 14:04, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading, I can't see it very well. Night shine  17:59, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

When you darken and define the shading, I'll blur it for you =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:27, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:06, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The way you did the shading on his neck, it just really stands out. You say you blurred it, but I think it's just way too dark to go with the shading for him. That might be the problem with this image. Yes, it does look blurred but it also looks sharp against his fur color as well. I say make it lighter and try bringing some of that shading down onto his chest.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 15:29, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blur the shading. I could blur it for you on GIMP if you'd like.  Mistfire Spring rainfalls  16:49, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * People, please listen! Read what Wildheart said right above my last upload. All I did was darken the shading. @Shimmerpool- the reason I didn't bring shading down onto his chest is because the light is coming from right in front of it, so there wouldn't be any shadow there, as stated above. 18:10, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you need help blurring the shading again? I'll go do it right now if you want. ^_^ 22:43, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. :P 01:21, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blur the highlights. 22:38, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, Rainlegs! I'm working on it now, but I was cut off from computer priviledges for a couple days. I'll reupload it in a sec. --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 22:57, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blurred it for you =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:50, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Wildheart! :) 23:58, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sharpen the eyes and add more color to them. I can't tell if they're mber or black Rainsong43 01:48, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Rainsong43

I took the color off of his regular warrior image, so they're fine. 01:49, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? Darkhallows... Mew? 02:57, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Desaturate the ear-pink a tad. Blur the shading by the base of the tail, shoulder, and flank. Scarlet wind Step into the Light 03:00, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. If anyone else thinks it needs more blurring, can someone help me? 03:22, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink could be a bit lighter, and I don't think it needs any more blurring :D 21:33, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:42, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Repeating CBA Darkhallows... Mew? 12:47, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  14:38, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

First of all, highlights aren't necessary on chararts. Secondly, there are some on already. 14:45, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the neck shading :3 20:34, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I have it as blurred as it will get. Pixlr won't let me get it anymore blurred. Do you mind helping me with that? 20:38, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I blurred the shading for you Night  shine  00:45, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. 00:46, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Blur neck shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Looks awesome! Blur the head shading. 22:50, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Pinestar (alt. L) - For Approval
He was described as tawny in Bluestar's Prophecy. Comments/criticsm?  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  18:03, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink and darken the shading. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 18:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the tail, fix that please. :3 19:11, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the earpink....it looks kinda weird. 11:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

It should be a bit more orange-y. There's some blurred lineart on the front right leg also. 192.203.211.254 17:33, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! Make the earpink less purply and more red-pink. 22:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, do you have a ref for that? There's nothing on his page. 03:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I tried posting this thre times but my computer got screwed up -.- theres a tad of white on the tail you forgot to color in, and the highlights could be blurred a tad. - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 20:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink should fill the whole ear. 01:28, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't really have to. Looks fine! --  Moon  leaf  02:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does have to, thats how the line art was designed. 03:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to know what tawny should look like, look at my alternate for Tawnypelt on this page. I think there is some blurred lineart on the haunch. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:18, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think this color for tawny looks fine. 20:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. On the tail, there's a white pixel in the lineart. Can you fill that in? Echostar229 01:27, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

There's also blurred lineart on the tail. It may have some one of the forelegs but I'm not too positive on that. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:07, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

'Reuploaded. '' <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, make this more gingery (it's too brown right now) and lighten the ear pink. Also make the ear pink fill the whole ear. -- Night  shine  18:49, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Desaturate the earpink a little and blur the tail shading. 01:37, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:12, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The white pixel on the tail still isn't filled in, so fill that in please. Also, the earpink isn't filling the whole ear still and brighten the highlights more. 17:18, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is there a tiny gray smudge between the tail and the foot? Also, blur the shading. 04:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nightflower is right. It needs to be removed. Unless this has already been discussed, brighten the highlights. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  20:47, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe darken the ear pink a bit more, it's kinda hard to see. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:13, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, make the earpink more visible, then blur it. 22:14, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

There is blurred lineart on the right ear. 20:40, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good! Define/darken the ear pink to make it more noticable and maybe blur a tad the highlight on the chest. 23:00, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

If Mistfire has abandoned this, I'd be willing to take over. 17:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Hey, I'm still working on it :P I'm only allowed to use the computer on weekends, so there will be 5-6 day gaps between each reupload. And Rainy promised on the IRC that she would blur the highlights for me.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  20:09, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. 20:11, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink a paler reddish colour. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 00:19, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading Night  shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink, it looks too bright. 22:17, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

This is up to you, but I think you should fill in a couple more pixels in the eye. It just looks like they are half-coloured in. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:41, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined. Night shine  07:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading around the neck just a tad. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 07:32, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Hmmm... I ran into an edit conflict when I uploaded, so it uploaded the image but didn't publish the Reupload notice. Wildheart: The white in the eyes is the shine.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  14:09, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading Night  shine  17:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I realized that, I just kind of thought it was too big... usually it's just one pixel. But whatever, it's your choice =P Fix the blurred lineart in the left ear. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:32, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The ear pink still seemes unnatural to me. Maybe lighten it some. That pink just really doesn't go with the color in my opinion like it's too bright but too dark. Do you get what I'm trying to say?-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 15:24, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Not really, Shimmerpool... can you give me a sample color I can steal?  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:46, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * [[File:Ear_sample.png]]<- This is a color that I'm thinking about. You can always mess around with it to getting it at a tone of your liking of course. Also after taking a closer look at the image I think the real thing that's bothering me is how the ear pink is taking over the entire ear. Possibly add in some of his fur color around the ear pink as ear fur. There's many examples of this, just look at some of the other leaders.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 01:27, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Leave the ear pink filling the whole ear. Thats how the blank was designed. Just change the colour. 02:20, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Just a side-note, it doesn't really have to fill in the whole ear. It's optional. 17:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

...but it's also how the blank was designed, so really, it shouldn't be optional XD --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:22, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I know it's hard to get the right earpink on tawny cats like this, but that looks a little, unnatural. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  01:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I agree...it could be a bit more red, and lighter. 21:31, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading can be blurred a bit :3 04:19, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join?Scarface9lives 13:32, April 9, 2011 (UTC)Scarface9lives

Reuploaded. Scarface9lives, please place your join request somewhere else. And can someone help blur the shading?  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  14:54, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help =) 17:15, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Good? 17:21, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. Night shine  00:37, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Darkened shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:01, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink. It's a little too hot-pink right now ;) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:17, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit redder. 22:54, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze (K)- For Approval
Here she is..... Comments? Echostar229 03:37, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the ear pink darker/more dull. 03:39, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any silver parts, maybe add some streaks or patches? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 03:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC) scratch that. Darken the whole thing a tad. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:48, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Echostar229 01:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:19, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Echostar, you can only have one image up for approval. As of now, you have two; Oakheart and Willowbreeze. I don't know what happens next, another user probably know though. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well she stopped working on it I think. Echostar, I suggest you put withdrawn by user on Oakheart's image, or we can see if it'll just be declined because the image may not be needed. Oh and brighten the highlights a tad on the image. :3 20:12, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I did put the words 'Withdrawn' on it, and the image has been removed from the page. I had stopped working on him about a week ago, in case no one noticed my lack of updating him, me starting a new image, and the big words in the title. Oh, and, reuploaded. Echostar229 01:25, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well you never actually specified that you had withdrawn it. So please do so in the future. Add tail shading, add shading to the fore arms, add shading under the chin Night  shine  01:29, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Weird, 'cause it said 'Withdrawn' next to it on my computer before it was archived. The light's coming from the left [her right] so I don't think she would have chin shading. There's also shading on her arms and tail. Echostar229 01:38, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I was the one that put withdrawn there. There should be shading under the chin since all other kit chararts have that and it makes it look less flat. Darken the shading on the forearms/tail Night  shine  23:00, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Whatever. Reuploaded. Echostar229 00:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:57, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink. 01:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think the shading's gotten worse...... :S Echostar229 03:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:52, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Make the shading go all the way across under the chin/ the neck. 22:54, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest and tail. 22:16, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Go blur crazy! Cardinal <font color="Orange">fire <font color="Khaki">My fluffy yellow cake!

Thin out the shading on the top of the chest. It needs to round out more, to fit the shape of the chest. --  Wildheart  Living with only my thoughts. 07:03, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Will anyone help me with blurring? Echostar229 02:31, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Darken her shading to make her look more like her other chararts up for approval because they are darker than this..Honeybreeze 18:32, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help =) And the colouring is fine; you don't need to fix it. Enlarge the earpink a bit and then blur it --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:31, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest lots.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  20:22, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Darken/blur that little highlight on the tail tip or lighten if that was shading. 00:42, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blurred it and reuploaded it for you, Echostar =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:45, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add/lighten the ear pink. Darken the shading a bit. Night shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more even, and center it. 00:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken tail shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  14:26, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten or darken the earpink a tad. 17:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

I take it you're not working on this anymore since you reserved another. Night shine  00:37, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't reserved another. My grandma just died, so i haven't been able to work on this. Sorry. I'll go reupload this. Echostar229 00:40, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry! I thought this was Wildheart's image so I put it as withdrawn. I'm really sorry for your loss. Night shine  00:50, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

So sorry! Can I take over? ❁  YatzSliversword   Ah, spring...  ❁ 00:59, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Echostar is still working on this. Night shine  01:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm still doing this. :S Echostar229 01:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think I wonked up the shading again... :S Echostar229 01:22, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

blur the chest shading. 01:23, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink a little bit. Night shine  01:28, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur chest shading LOTS.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:00, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the earpink when you darken it. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:19, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

You might have to re-do this, she looks like a two-toned cat now. 00:47, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

It'll be fine as soon as it's blurred and the shading is thinned out on the chest. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:41, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:18, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Tigerheart (Alt. W) - For Approval
Okay, Tigerheart re-posted! Comments? --  Moon  leaf  17:36, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

This looks better. I can't think of anything that would need touching up. I don't think it could use more blurring, either. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:42, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes a bit. 18:34, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

How? 21:18, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think she means make them more noticeable. 21:38, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried. 21:54, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sharpen the stripes and make the ear pink more noticeable. Night shine  21:57, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe make the stripes a bit more wavy to they match the pattern in his alt. apprentice charart. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:11, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Better? 00:39, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a little and blur it. 01:29, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Is it too dark? 17:04, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Just a tad. Can you lighten up his back just a little bit? <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 17:13, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't a torn ear mean that the tip is completely torn off, rather than having it nicked? Maybe change it to that. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 20:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink a bit. 22:23, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Dang, forgot to sign 00:21, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit more and maybe add some by the belly and up the back. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:15, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 17:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading between the stripes a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 17:42, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 19:52, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

He only has a torn ear and here it's completely ripped off. Make it so that it's torn. Darken the stripes, add a few more tail stripes, darken shading and add neck and belly shading Night  shine  22:00, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded What a fail! o.o 23:51, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights, and they seem to be in one blob. The face, shoulder, haunch, tail and leg highlights should all be separate. 02:12, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 17:39, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

make the shredded eat less rounded and make it more pointish. 18:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Reuploaded Now more failz 20:03, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make his match like the one on his current warrior image, and then make where you re-draw the line for the ear a bit thicker. Maplepool 23:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

No keep the stripes whre they are, dont make it match its warrior image. Maplepool its been decided that it should match the other alts. 23:55, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear a bit bigger; right now it looks like there is no ear at all =P --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:33, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Tell me if the changes show. 15:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

No, Iceheart, I was talking about his ear, I know the stripes stay the way the way are, im not a idiot -_- I was talking about make the ear look more like the on on his current warrior image and when (s)he redoes it, make it look more the rest of the lineart, a bit thicker. Maplepool 15:37, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm a girl, and there's no torn ear on his warrior charart :/ 19:58, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten/blur shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  21:52, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 21:55, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I swear i was atorn ear on him once... but do as Mistfire said other that i see no other changes need to be made, as far as I can see. Maplepool 22:30, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are really big and thick and the highlights still appear to be one huge unseparated blob, and they need to be blurred a lot. 01:35, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think the stripes look fine. 04:49, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a tad and match the colours a bit better to the apprentice alt. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:52, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and sharpen the stripes a lot. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:58, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used the sharpen tool. Now it's more failz. 19:36, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of using the blur tool and setting it to "sharpen", use the smudge tool to smooth out the edges into points. Blur the shading a bit. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:25, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is very uneven. Make the colours match the ones on his alternate apprentice image Night  shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

So I should re-do it? 19:53, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

It's up to you. If you think you can fix all the commented areas without redoing the whole image, go right ahead ;) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 00:50, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I redid it :D 17:46, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry guys, the changes aren't showing :/ 19:38, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Try uploading it until the new version shows up Night  shine  01:14, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tried, but it doesn't work >:( 02:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I found this link that leads to the redone image, hope this works: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110330020521/warriors/images/archive/b/b9/20110330020532!Tigerheart.warrior.alt.png 02:31, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Much better =) Perhaps you can just delete the one up top and replace it with ^this one^ so it's easier for us. Blur the stripes a bit. --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:23, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded It's working now, so it's okay. 17:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the tail highlight. 20:10, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 20:38, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink and make it more triangular. Blur the stripes, darken the shading. I also don't see noticable shading on the stripes. Night shine  07:06, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded It's hard to make the earpink triangular when the ear is torn off. 14:11, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur stripes.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  14:34, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 16:57, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes on the head, blur the other stripes, add one or two more stripes to the tail. Make the ear pink more triangular. Night shine  17:57, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 20:26, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Move the shoulder highlight more forward, towards the belly, so it matches where the other highlights' placement. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:44, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 14:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! Move the ear pink a bit higher. 21:50, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:31, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome job! Maybe just darken the shading a tad. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 22:48, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 23:03, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Great job! I don't think anything else needs improvement :D 23:07, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Where's your light source? --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:24, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm thinking the visible side, the side you're looking at. 00:29, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sooooo... comments? 17:09, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading by his jaw, blur the shading on the tail and on the chest. Nice work! <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:10, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks :) 01:39, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I tried to comment, but it edit conflicted twice. The light source can't come from where we are looking from, as there wouldn't be any shading =P I'm thinking it's from the top left hand corner, from where your shading and highlights are placed. If this is so, move the shoulder highlight forward to match the other highlights' placements. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:43, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I took a lame guess there xD 01:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink is a tad too red. Darkhallows... Mew? 02:59, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I lightened it. 17:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a little bigger, darken the shading Night  shine  23:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Bright the highlight onto the muzzle and forehead, blur the shading a tad, and darken it by the jaw a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Bring* Sorry. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add haunch shading. Night shine  01:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded :) 01:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 04:21, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

He isnt that golden... Make him more brown, OK?Scarface9lives 13:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)Scarface9lives

Reuploaded I don't think I can blur much more. And Scarface, this is an alternate. 14:42, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:07, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can't blur anymore. 15:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the tail shading, desaturate this a little bit. Make the ear pink triangular Night  shine  00:37, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Can someone help me with the earpink? 13:17, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I can, if you'd like.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:10, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Mistfire 22:21, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is kind of green now... It needs to be a lot more golden. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 23:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:49, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

It still looks kind of green... Lighten the shading, too. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:23, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 13:56, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink. Is it just me being picky? Because it still looks green to me... Anybody else? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:43, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't look green to me. 16:34, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't look green to me, either. And this seems way too dark, please lighten the shading if possible. -- Cloud skye  13:27, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 15:17, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Barley (K) - for approval
Okay, as of Frosthearts comment on Violet, she said that even if its one sentence they get one. So I'm going to see if Barley's Kit version won't get Denciled this time. If it is, i got a back up plan im saving. This is the picture it was at when it was dencied.

14:52, March 24, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Darken the shading. 22:39, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded=.- Comments? :) 17:30, March 25, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Define the change between black and white areas; they look like they are bleeding into each other. Blur the earpink a bit and make it smaller --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:38, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Try to have an equal amout of black and white, and as Wildheart said, define them. 17:39, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  01:43, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-done- Okay i re-did this, I had no idea how to fix the spots without ruining it. :3 23:16, March 27, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

The black and white division needs to be defined a bit more. You can just use the smudge tool and then blur it lightly if you don't want to redo the whole image =P --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:20, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded- i worked hard on the shading and spots :3 23:39, March 28, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

The shading needs to be a little more defined, it's hard to tell where it's at Ivystripe 00:17, March 29, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Okay, i did my best but I cant darking the shading anymore. The black spots are getting too dark. Reuploaded. 01:36, March 30, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Lighten the black spot on his right (our right) its FAR to dark, its blending in with the lineart. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 00:59, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded  13:30, April 1, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Darken the nose colour, darken the shading on the white areas, blur the black a little more. Night shine  07:00, April 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * The black patches still look rather dark in my opinion, almost the color of the lineart but it may be my screen. Also the patches on his stomach seem like they are smudged in with the white in stead of blurred. Blur them more.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 14:12, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded- okay i fixed the lineart and lightened the spots a tad, and darkend the nose. 18:49, April 2, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon
 * The black markings look crowded and awkward, I don't really know how to describe it . . . the ear pink is very blurry and kind of hard to see and dark, and you need to darken the shading. 00:13, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded- PLEASE can someone help me with the shading? i'm desprate! everytime i try it gets worse! All i need is shading help. And then im good. Please? anyone? Fea  ther  02:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon
 * Reuploaded- PLEASE can someone help me with the shading? i'm desprate! everytime i try it gets worse! All i need is shading help. And then im good. Please? anyone? Fea  ther  02:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I'd help.... but I'd probably make it worse, so I won't XD the white parts need to be completely white (shading excluded) and right now they have patches of gray on them. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

But people keep saying to darken the shading on the white so I did, and ^^thats^^ what I end up with. Fea ther  17:28, April 3, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Well maybe you need a better light source. Where's your light coming from right now? --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 23:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ummm the....left? Fea ther  22:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Maybe you should take a look at Nightshine's tutorials if you're not sure about the light source =) The light source is one of the most important aspects of a charart, in my opinion XD --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Um....Reuploaded I think i made the white to....gray...But i did it Night Shines way so, yea. But i REALLY need help with the highlights! Its killing me! Fea ther  19:15, April 7, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

This looks good! Highlights aren't needed though, so it's fine. Make the ear pink a little lighter and this will be ready. Night shine  01:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink. Sharpen the patches. Darken the shading. 03:38, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Ear pink lightened, And mossy, I don't really think the patches need to be sharpened. And as for the shading, I can't darken it because the white will turn gray and the "black' spots will become, well, actual black. Fea  ther  16:12, April 8, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Darken the ear pink. 04:21, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur where black meets the white.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:12, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't blur the division of black and white any more, just because it'll end up a little bit too blurry. You could smudge the division if you really think it's necessary. Redden the earpink a bit, but keep it at the same size. It looks good right now =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:26, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded- finally found time to do this...two minute job... Fea ther  13:44, April 12, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Snake (K)~ for Approval


Yeah AT LAST A CHARART, eh Ive gotten better, but he can be better, and hes not taken I took him, I LOVE him why? I don't know^^, anyway, comments? Maplepool 22:17, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading to the sides of his face, thin out the shading on his right (our right) side, make the highlight bigger and add a highlight to his face. Make the earpink bigger too. 22:37, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- fixed shading added more highlights, slimed the shading on his right(our right) ear pink enlarged....hmm its not showing the changes dont comment till I say you can. Maplepool 02:43, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

O you can comment now Maplepool 02:45, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the chest highlight, it looks like he has a pale grey chest. 20:07, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlight. 22:34, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- fixed the chest, blured the highlightes, comments? Maplepool 23:05, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangular and blur it. Lighten the shading on the inside of the right (our right) leg --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:39, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

There fixed and reuploaded, comments? Maplepool 01:48, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Make it fit into the ears themselves; right now it looks like it's falling out. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:11, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

There Fixed, I think..... ANWAY, comments? Maplepool 15:32, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the earpink and blur the shading. (Mintstarr)98.22.156.110 18:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

AT LAST I fixed the earpink AT FREAKING LAST!!!! Maplepool 22:40, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the earpink and blur the shading a lot --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:22, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  02:43, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

There fixed and reuploaded, comments? Maplepool 20:02, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the leg shading and enlarge the earpink some. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Add/darken shading under the chin Night  shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

There, fixed and reuploaded, comments? Maplepool 20:50, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading under the chin, make the ear pink more noticeable. Night shine  01:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Question, what do you mean, make it more noticeable, like make it a darker color? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 02:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I belive she meant to ublurr the front right leg highlights\shading, Blrr the top part of tail shading. And I belive theres a peice of lighter lineart near the foor kinda, and the areas circled in red need to be blurred: se the burn tool. 13:30, March 30, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Not everyone uses the burn tool for shading. But yeah, she means, make the shading darker/more noticable. 22:24, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, Since T.A.K.S is coming up, I won't be on untill wendsay, so...I can't upload till then, then AFTER, seciece taks, I have to go to a wedding for my aunt, so untill in like May, COMMENT AS FERICE AS YOU CAN DON'T HOLD THE COMMENTS BACK!!! YOU WILL COMMENT WITH FERICE-NESS (thats a word right?) anyway imma upload then COMMENT Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:04, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok comments? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:07, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink. And since there are a few spots to blurr, im going to give you a picture indication where. Green: Blurred lineart. Red: highlights\shading needs to be blurred. :  23:20, April 1, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Ok tried to fix it and reploadde Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 01:42, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think you forgot to fix the pink ear :3 02:01, April 2, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

No I fixed it, It just looks more ... >.< Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 14:53, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, make the ear pink bigger and more centered. -- Night  shine  17:56, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the ear pink is WAY too high up on his ears, and blur the belly shading and the shading on his. . . the place around his legs, but not on his legs. xD 22:38, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed and reuploaded,comments? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:45, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the leg shading. Darkhallows... Mew? 03:01, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink. 19:31, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink on both ears the same size and color. 23:52, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Darken shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:19, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok,I'm about to fix it, any other comments? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 12:49, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangulish, it's just right now a dot. 21:07, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, fixed and reuploaded, hmm doesn't look like the changes are showing...comment when they do Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 20:09, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and make the earpink fit the ear so it doesn't look sloppy. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  01:54, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I already blurred it as much as Plixr will let me. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 02:32, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I can help with the blurring if you want. Also brighten the earpink. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:44, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please Wildheart, When I reupload it, you may blur it, thank you very much ^^ Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 20:54, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

There Fixed and reuploaded, comments, Wildheart, you may fix it now. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:01, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are a bit too bright.

Whoever posted /\ sign with four '~' when you post a comment, and i'll fix it right away. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 02:59, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

There darkend highlights a tad, comments? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 03:01, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hey! Sorry I forgot about this XD I'll blur it in a bit. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:26, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Rosepetal (A) - For Approval
Toadstep seems to be getting one, so Rosepetal shoud as well. Not so proud of the stripes on this one. Cronstructaments? 02:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Moved to the correct section. Make the earpink stand out some more. 02:18, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Take the eye colour off her warrior charart, fix the blurred lineart on its head, and make the stripes like the ones on her warrior charart. They just look like random swirls right now. 02:20, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, shouldn't this be declined too? Toadstep's was decbe sides, they were never seen as apperentices, so unless frostheart, or Nightshine say it can stay I think it might be declined. Maplepool 02:31, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Frostheart wants them to have images. I think it has a chance. 22:08, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Maplepool, don't just go saying random things before you know the whole story. There are reasons it stayed up. :P 23:19, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 02:13, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Add some more stripes on the back so it matches the warrior pixel's stripes. Lighten the tail highlight. This looks good =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:18, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  17:13, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The stripe style just looks way different from her warrior charart. Examine it for a little while to see what they look like, and copy off of it. Also, define the ear pink. 17:42, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried my best to copy the stripes. 19:25, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

There is one part right before her tail tip which is lightet then the rest of her tail, darken that, other than that very nice Maplepool 22:43, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are too dark, and still kind of big, and while they look more like her warrior charart's, they're not quite there. And what's cronstructaments mean? xD 01:10, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

See if you can edit the colors to match the shade of her warrior charart's. -- 01:20, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten/darken the earpink and maybe try blurring the stripes. 16:28, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone just redline where the stripes would be? That would help a lot DX 20:01, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  21:21, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest outlining the stripes in the 'smudge' tool, that would blur them a little. 21:33, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

You said you wanted a redline for the stripes? Here it is XD You had the right idea, but a couple of them were off. Basically, all you have to follow is where the stripes meet the lineart, but you can take artistic license with the rest, as we haven't seen the right side of her body yet. So go crazy =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:44, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks for the redline, Wildheart. I owe you one xD 21:28, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the stripes' color. 22:20, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

No problem =) Maybe add some stripes to the front leg and the front of the haunch. I didn't add any to the redline because I didn't want to influence where you put them =P --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 22:51, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

On the back leg, there is an area that isn't blurred. It's the tip of the bottom stripe. Ivystripe 00:19, March 29, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Reuploaded  21:11, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

You could another stripe to the front of the haunch... 21:13, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Make all of the stripes consistent with eachother. The one on the front of the haunch is what all of them should look like (color wise) in my opinion. 22:10, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Better? 21:05, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes and define them =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 00:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink, it seems to almost blend in with the pelt color. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  17:34, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'm going to withdraw this; anyone who wants can take over. 16:39, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll be happy to take this over for you for you Lone Wolf. Okay everyone I made the few edits that were last said, but I'm not done blurring as I have to go for tonight. Comments for now?-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 02:04, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are some places that are the base color, not the stripe color, and should touch the lineart, unless that's what you were going for and they are the sides of a stripe? Ivystripe 18:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Sharpen the stripes =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes look like the ones in the redline. 23:25, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes skinnier.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:22, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make the pelt color more creamy-pink like her warrior image. 96.51.53.81 17:01, April 9, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Lighten the stripes a tad, blur the highlights, and define the ear-pink. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:23, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded Finally found time to upload this. After studying the earlier image with Rosepetal's other images, I redid Lone Wolf's version completely to give her the pelt color as the rest of her's. I gave her the red markings like you wanted Mistystar and added in the markings from her other images. I don't really think making the stripes skinner will actually work with this Mistfire, but tell me what you think. And yes Ivystripe thats what I'm going for. Comments?-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 17:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make everything a little more pinkish. Lighten the stripes and blur them. Darken the ear pink, blur the shading. Night shine  00:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 04:18, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * She looks a bit too pinkish... I dunno if she's supposed to be, but make her creamier brown.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:12, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I might wait for another response on this if its okay with you Mistfire? Her kit image is rather pinkish than cream while her warrior image is less pink, so I want another opinion before I change the image around. -- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 00:05, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I actually think the pelt colour looks good. Perhaps add some stripes on the bottom of her haunch, to fill it out. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:29, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the stripes, and blur the shading and earpink. 21:17, April 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded....I think I brighten them too much but maybe that's my opinion.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 01:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Make the ear pink more visible, and blur it. 22:09, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 23:16, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the whole thing a tad and redden the earpink a bit. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:31, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hazeltail (Alt. A) - For Approval
I really liked this one; 1st charart for PCA!

Moved this to the correct section. It doesn't quite look like you used the full size image as there are white pixels surrounding it. Fix that please. Otherwise, it's pretty good. 18:19, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Save the image as a png, not a jpg. 19:02, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, got it. <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  22:13, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Make the backround transparent, and get rid of all the random little pixels on the image. 22:16, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I did make the backround transparent. <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  19:20, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Redo it, but don't save it as a .jpg image save it as a .png and her tail-tip is too bright, it looks white, and blur ther earpink, and make it smaller, and make the background transparent. Maplepool 22:26, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED - <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  20:37, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Smooth out the highlights, as they look quite blotchy. Darken the ear pink and rename this Hazeltail.apprentice.alt.png. 19:31, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Very stunning^^, and tis is yourfirst charart for PCA? darken her tail tip and her muzzle, blur the earpink a bit more add shading to her ear that is farthest from us. Very nice, its better then mine, im jealous.... :/ Maplepool 20:19, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fill in the pixels on the stomach, and make the ear pink smaller. And was she described as mottled, or just gray? because this looks mottled. 20:50, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and shading, not smudge them.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  21:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the bits of gray outside of the lineart. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 00:03, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED - <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  01:48, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

There is a white area on the belly that should be filled in, darken the shading, make the ear pink more noticeable. Rename this Hazeltail.apprentice.alt.png. Night shine  01:57, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED - <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  02:04, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken this a lot. 04:44, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

And then make the hilights more noticable. 22:36, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is the lineart on the back of the haunch a lot thicker than the rest of the body? --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:50, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the chest, haunch, and face.<font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 04:41, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED - <font color="cyan" face="Segoe Script">   Holly♥       Medicine Cat  18:11, April 3, 2011 (UTC) ...Does the shading look a bit stiff, or blothy?

It doesn't look blotchy. But it needs a face highlight, and add shading to the muzzle. Darken the whole thing, it looks pale gray, and darken the shading a lot. The ear pink is a bit hard to see and the tail shading looks like a gradient. 22:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller. 23:33, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED - Should I brighten the face highlight? :<font color="magenta" style="background:Black"> Holly <font color="crimson" style="background:Black"> ♥   23:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the whole image a bunch :3 04:23, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink more. I can hardly see it. <font color="DarkRed" style="background:white">Bloodangel Starshine  07:46, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken shading. This is beautiful, Holly.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:26, April 9, 2011

REUPLOADED - Should I darken it more? :<font color="magenta" style="background:Black"> Holly <font color="crimson" style="background:Black"> ♥   23:38, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks ok, but blur the shading and earpink. :3 21:11, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the legs. 00:46, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink just a tad. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:45, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

The face highlight seems lighter than the body highlights; they should be the same. 22:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Silverstream (Alt. W) - For Approval
She was described as a black-and-silver cat in Forest of Secrets on page 15. Comments? 23:06, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the black on the tail, make the ear-pink a tad smaller and brighten it, darken the shading on the white parts, and brighten the highlights. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:07, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 00:00, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make the white areas silver. Smudge the black transition. Add eye colour, blur the ear pink and blur the shading Night  shine  00:03, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 00:32, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh! I like the markings! The silver still looks white, so darken it a lot, and darken the shading as well. Move the ear pink up a bit. 00:53, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and the shading. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:25, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thicken the black near the shoulder area. 01:27, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Silverstream.warrior.alt.png 02:47, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''How do I rename it? And I'll thicken the black later when I have time. 03:44, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Rainwillow: Whatever you are using to edit your image, save it, left click, there will be a list of suggestions, rename it Silverstream.warrior.alt, and upload it as a different image and replace the current image with the different one.  Icy 123   ♥  14:34, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blur the shading. 16:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the white some more; it still looks white, and not silver. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 04:45, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more centered and blur it. Smudge the black transition. Night shine  05:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Does it still look white? Could somebody help me with the black and the shading? However much I blur the shading, it still looks the same. 11:07, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Not to dark, it looks like gray. I would try along the side between white and gray. So its not gray, but its like a light gray, 13:52, March 28, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I can help blur the shading. I'll do it right now, and I can lighten the silver parts like Feathermoon said too. =3 21:04, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Mossy! 10:11, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wait... When she was described as black and gray I think they meant she was gray with black stripes, her being a tabby and all. It's like saying Brambleclaw is black and brown... Darkhallows... Mew? 06:17, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Actually she was described as black and silver not black ans gray. XD It didn't say anything about her being a silver-and-black tabby on page fifteen in Forest of Secrets, but I could always fix it. Anyone else who agrees with Darkhallows? 10:25, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I thik that it should stay like this; It isnèt the same kind of thing like ginger cats, they natrally have stripes. Silver and Black cats have never had natral stripes unless listed as tabbys. (Feathermoon but not logged it :3)

Feathermoon, what? A silver and black tabby is very possible. She's a tabby, mentioned as black and silver/ I was thinking that too, but I just never got around to mentioning it. xD Rainwillow silver is a shade of gray, same thing. They never said anything about her being tabby on that page, but she IS tabby. :P 22:09, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...You do have a point there, Mossy. And since she is a tabby, I will agree with Darkhallows. 22:19, March 30, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

This (click) is a silver tabby. I would describe that as black and silver. Darkhallows... Mew? 01:17, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

So is it agreed? Should I change this as a silver she-cat cat with black stripes? 04:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I belive so. 13:23, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Blur the shading and haunch highlight. (This is Mintstarr.)98.22.139.18 21:37, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Considering her main picture is a silver tabby, I don't think she needs an alternate. Darkhallows... Mew? 06:07, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Wait....so is this going to be declined? Frostheart? Night shine? What do you guys think? 11:35, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Make the ear pink smaller. Smudge the transistions more. Make the ear pink more reddish. Brighten the highlights. Fix the lineart on the tail. -- 01:25, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Make the black more stripey or tabbylike.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  02:11, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, im not the lead, or deputy, but, I think that Silver-and-black is different from, Silver tabby, Im just an apperentice, so my opion my not mean much, but I still think this should stay up.... Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 14:57, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

I think this should stay up since black-and-silver is much different than just a silver tabby. -- Night  shine  17:54, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, since it's going to stay up, do I have to change it to a silver cat with black stripes as Darkhallows said? 02:14, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

That's what I would do, but I guess it's up to you, as it didn't specify. Blur the shading. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 03:53, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Okay, after I read all of these comments, I decided to make Silverstream's alt. image into a silver cat with black stripes. I made the stripes similar to Silverstream's warrior image, so I hope it looks okay. Does the silver still looks white? Mossy, are you still going to help me blur the shading? If not, could somebody help me blur it? 07:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 01:06, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * bangs head on desk* I hate myself for making those hard forsaken markings! Anyways... ^^ you missed a few of the markings on her leg from her warrior image, basically on her hind leg and forepaw thats like behind her from our point of view. Also blur and I'll help if Mossy isn't able to. Also don't forget to add in shading and blur the ear pink as well.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 15:38, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes need to be blurred as well. The edges of them looked smudged-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 01:17, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. How about now? 01:39, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The markings on her back still seem a tad blotchy where the black meets the silver :/ what program do you use by chance?-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 02:07, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I use pixlr. The stripes looks fine to me. 02:14, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Rainwillow; the stripes look no blotchier then the ones on her regular warrior image. All I would suggest is shrink the big black spot in the middle of her back a tad. 02:44, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes dont mave to match her warriors image because this is an alternate. Someone tried to match the Tigerheart stripes on an alt and someone said they didn't have to match. But if you want to do it like this, you can. 96.51.53.81 03:32, April 4, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Re-uploaded. I made the black spot a bit smaller. Does anything else need to be fixed? 08:23, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangular because on your picture it shows it where one part of it is full but the other side looks kinda wrong...Honeybreeze 15:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great, Rainey! Lighten the ear pink and center it. 22:47, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading on the black parts needs to be defined a bit. The grey parts look good! Ivystripe 00:11, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Re-uploaded. The earpink is horrible! Could somebody help me on it? 04:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the earpink again with Frostheart's help. Does it look to bright? 04:53, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink. And maybe add some stripes to the back leg farest from us. 23:31, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Anything else? 11:06, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The markings need smudged a little more. Make it flow with her shape. 00:42, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Er, I don't think the markings need to be smudged. That's for two different colored cat. And I if I blur the stripes, it'll look to blotchy. Anybody else agree with Ivystripe? 04:28, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink. I also think the markings should be smudged. Darken the shading as well. Night shine  01:04, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Er, could someone help me smudge the stripes? I'm not very good at that. 11:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I could try helping you smudge it, but I don't know if I'm allowed since I'm working on a charart 14:21, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I can help, if you'd like.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:30, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm is helping me now, but thanks for the offer. 03:39, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes, too.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:17, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink a bit. 22:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ice (K) ~ For Approval
19:13, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Beautiful. Make the earpink more pinkish. 19:33, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Darken the shading. :3 20:02, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree about the shading, it just needs defined a bit. Ivystripe 20:32, April 4, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Make the ear pink smaller so that it doesn't cover the whole ear. 21:59, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the earpink a tad bit.Ice Cave 22:16, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ferndapple told me she doesn't have enough time to work on this anymore, so someone can take over now. 04:28, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken shading and brighten highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the nose pink, gray cats don't normally have pink noses. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 00:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

No point in posting comments if there is nobody working on it. Who is going to take over? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:32, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Whoever can take it over, I guess. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 03:46, April 11, 2011 (UTC)'

I will! 207.62.246.62 21:45, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, not logged in XD 21:47, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''Comments? 22:04, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Make his nose more gray-pink, look at Feathertail and Crowfeather's kit images, they are pink, but a darker color of pink, his is too bright. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 23:31, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Anything else? 00:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  01:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Umm...I was recently told to darken it, so...I'll try to make it in-between-ish... 21:48, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''Anything else? 22:23, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink and either lighten the areas where there isn't shading or darken the shading. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 23:03, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Ta-da! :P 23:11, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Look's good! Blur the highlights. <span style="color:black;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:purple;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;">MINTSTARR  You can stand under my Umbrella!  20:37, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Re-Uploaded. Anything else? 21:44, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Redden/brighten the earpink. Whatever works to make it stand out more. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:33, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ivypool (W)- For Approval
Here's what I got of her so far! Critique? Ivystripe 02:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Pretty good! Blur the highlights and earpink some more, and add some smaller patches. She also has white paws, so fix that. Lighten the white some more, too, so it doesn't look so gray, and add shading. If all the darker gray is the shading, thin it out. 02:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Dont make the highlights so bright. 02:28, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink and lighten the silver fur. -- 02:30, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Extend the highlights on the forelegs, brighten the highlight on the gray part of her forehead, darken the ear-pink a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:13, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I had a feeling I made the shading too dark. By the way, I got the ear pink from her apprentice image, so I thought that should be right? If not, oh well Ivystripe 16:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Make her white where you had the gray (like her apprentice image). Darken the ear pink to a darker colour. Also whiten her paws and where was the tail-tip from? I'll need to check her charart at the moment E-SCOPE IS HERE 18:41, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Darkened the ear pink, lightened the shading, tried to add more light parts to the legs. Ivystripe 19:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Lighten the whole thing up, it looks too grey. 19:42, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I uploaded the fixed version but it's not showing. This isn't right....Ivystripe 19:54, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Make the highlights bigger and make the earpink more triangle-shaped. 19:56, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Stunning! blur the highlights a tad, and lighten the white, to make it look, whiter....(<FAIL WORD DX) there seems to be a lighter part on her legs, IDK what it is, so blur it out, if its highlight, its dosen't go there Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:25, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! Make the highlights more visible, and blur them. 23:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the gray a lot, and smudge the patches too. And the stripes looks different. . . also the big patch on her back doesn't make sense with the markings on her apprentice charart. And she had a gray patch on her chest. 01:31, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great so far! Center the earpink and make it more trinagular. 04:48, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I can update this at home, but for some odd reason it won't let me type, so I can't say when I re-upload it. Please be patient with me. I looked at her kit image to get her spots the way they are. What's different about the stripes? Do you mean that I should make them thicker, thinner...? Ivystripe 16:27, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Completely redid the spots and stripes, lightened her silver/grey color, and fixed the ear pink. Ivystripe 19:59, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The markings still don't work. Here she has one huge patch on her back, but on her apprentice image she has two patches on her back. 23:08, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

But also, that's her other side. I looked at her kit image to help her with the reverse side. If I reversed this warrior image of her, THEN I'd need to use those exact markings. 23:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, you need to add the chest patch because on her apprentice charart it comes over to this side of her. Also, the edge of the patch on her chest is kind of sharp. Make it a little rounder and more natural. Brighten the shoulder highlight and make the earpink a little more red. Darken the tail shading as well. 23:48, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. Lemme go fix that really quick... 23:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:06, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

It's her other side, but the patches aren't attached and they can't randomly go from unattached to attached. 01:28, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I referenced off her kit image as well, and that's how I percieved it. Do you think maybe you could redline what you mean? I'm just not sure exactly what you're envisioning 209.34.114.210 13:56, April 7, 2011 (UTC) [Ivystripe, not signed it]

The shape of the patches doesn't have to be the way I drew it, it just needs the space between them. Smudge her patches a lot more too. 07:15, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I hope this looks alright. 19:59, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oh! You didn't have to change the patches' shape, just put a space between them. :P 21:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks better, but it still doesn't look right though. I might need to smudge it more.... 21:12, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the patches so they match her apprentice image and blur the shading. 04:29, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, it would make it much darker than in her apprentce image. I picked the colors off her charart. 11:29, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 11:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights and darken the earpink. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  15:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

This is great, Ivystripe! Darken the shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:44, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading, it looks kinda lumpy. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 04:35, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. 01:18, April 11, 2011 (UTC)'''

Blur the shading; the white is a bit too inconsistant. The patches are beautiful! --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:33, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I cannot blur the shading any more, all I can do is smudge it. No matter how much I smudge it, it just never looks right to me :/ 01:38, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink some. I can help with the shading if you want... =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:42, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 19:07, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Great job! Lighten or redden the earpink, and blur it. 22:09, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:22, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Neck shading needs to be blurred, so does the leg shading. The earpink needs to be changed, brighter or darker, not too sure. And there is some kind of color outside the lines. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  01:59, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

And you might want to blur the edges of the markings a bit. They look a little too smudgy. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:48, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Man I hope this is finally the right earpink color 21:14, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, no, I don't think it is. Use the apprentice tutorials to find the right one. some of the highlights look blotchy. And there is still some gray outside the image which needs to removed. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  23:16, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, this looks great! Just make the ear pink redder. 23:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Redid the ear pink entirely, tried erasing the shadows outside the outline, and I tried to blue the shading some more. 19:42, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I feel mean saying this, but the earpink is too neonish. And the highlights could be blurred some. <span style="color:black;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:purple;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;">MINTSTARR  You can stand under my Umbrella!  20:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I took it from the apprentice tutorial like I was told to do. If this isn't right then I don't know what color to make it :/ 00:16, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah lighten the earpink a bit. Maybe dodge it on like 5% and then colourpick it and redo the earpink. The charts aren't exactly accurate. They're just guides =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone.  02:37, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Swoop (CG)~ For Approval
Before everyone says change the ear pink, it's the same as the queen image and staying that way. Comments? 02:33, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, make the paws ginger and the tail tip ginger. Smudge the mud streaks so they are a little uneven. Darken the shading. Night shine  02:42, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe make the streaks thicker and make less of them. They kinda make her look like a tabby... <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaed- Sorry Scarletwind, i didnt see your comment until after i re-uploaed it. I kinda did it anyway though. Anyways i redid the stripes. 03:30, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

The mud streaks kind of look ordered and arranged. Try making it more spontaneous in random places. Make the earpink more noticeable and darken shading on the right side, unless it's coming from there..XD 21:11, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- the light is ont the right and i already said about the ear pink. 23:59, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink a bit more and darken the shading by the jaw. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 21:59, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the mud streaks a bit Night  shine  01:03, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 01:31, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sharpen the mud streaks and darken the ear pink. 04:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more mauve.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:49, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- I defined the mud, but i already said about the earpink. Stop asking please. Comments? 23:19, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Define the mud streaks more. Night shine  00:27, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like she's tabby..I think you should make the mud darker. -- Spottedleaf! ¡ɟɐǝןpǝʇʇodS 05:38, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 00:00, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

This is lovely. I see nothing wrong. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:38, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Brook (KM)- For Approval
Comments? Ravensoul101 02:42, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink bigger nad lighten it. Darken the shading and blur it. Darken the nose colour. Smudge the markings. Night shine  02:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Move the white pixel in her left eye, it makes her look kind of cross-eyed. Brighten the highlights a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:15, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink. Make it a darker colour. Also make the ear pink not reach to the tip of her fur. Even up the fur. E-SCOPE IS HERE 18:38, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

The markings on her flank could be smudged a little. Ivystripe 19:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

Add shading under the chin and to the bends in her joints. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:57, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink, darken it and make it triangular. 01:59, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Add more stripes. 07:10, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes look a little cross eyed. 21:47, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit. 04:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I didn't change the eyes, mainly because it's the same eye pattern that's on almost every queen. You guys must of been mistaking the gray for the white. Because of that, I darkened them a little. BTW, you don't have to repeat things. It can get annoying. Ravensoul101 15:07, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink/make it more visible. The stripes on the top of head head are blurry and messy. 17:58, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink redder. 22:05, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on her back. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:10, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are too greenish. Fix it, please. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  23:18, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more noticable and blur it. 23:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone.  02:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Pebble (CG) -For approval-
Pebble is my fave. Tribe cat ^^. Comments? 02:51, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink. -- 03:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the highlights, ear-pink, darken the shading a tad, and make the mud a bit more noticeable. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:10, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  16:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the rightish side of Pebble. Make it lighter. Also do caveguards have legs? E-SCOPE IS HERE 18:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Does the mud have shading? I can't tell if it does or not, but some of the shading is kind of hard to tell. That could just be me though. Ivystripe 19:16, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

I'm pretty sure caveguards have legs, E-scope ;) Add some mud to the tip of the tail --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:33, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I agree with Wildheart too. E-SCOPE IS HERE 03:31, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded The mud is under the shading layer, so yes, it does have shading. 15:04, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the mud streaks. 04:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading and brighten highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  15:55, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the hind leg. It should be in shadow. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:50, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

PS you still working on this? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:41, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Rushtail (RC) (W) - For Approval
Finally! I'm getting sick of all the gray apprentices X3 03:03, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes a tad more, darken the ear-pink, and darken the shading a bit more. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:11, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Desaturate the stripes; they're greyer on her apprentice image. -- 03:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:39, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the eyes lighter and darken her pelt a tiny bit,Honeybreeze 12:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  17:22, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

You've got a really big dark patch. Lighten it up a bit E-SCOPE IS HERE 18:18, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

I believe that's the shading. 19:44, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the highlights on the tail. 19:51, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  19:53, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Great work! Blur the ear pink. 23:09, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Rushtail (RC).warrior.png. Define the stripes, darken the shading. Night shine  00:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Add a highlight on the tail, or if you aren't using highlights, lighten the shading a lot, and darken the shading on the midriff/belly. Looks good =) --   Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:30, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  19:42, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the highlights or darken the shading on the tail, it looks too flat. Beautiful job Nighty. ;3 21:21, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are too blurry and thick, and the shading looks like a gradient. I would suggest changing the face stripes, as putting just one over the eyes gives the appearance of a uni-brow. XD 07:09, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I redid it :3 22:25, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, Nighty! Blur the shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:04, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  19:51, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and stripes. Night shine  00:26, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:11, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes a lot --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:37, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they need to be defined; I can see them quite clearly. 04:00, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I can too, but they're too blurry. If you won't define them, at least darken them. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 04:19, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oakheart (Alt. W) - For Approval
Since Frostheart agreed.. I decided to do it. I admit, this is the first one I've done from scratch. So, comments anyone? Cloud skye  16:46, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the pelt color lighter and more brown. Make the earpink smaller and get rid of the blurred lineart on the ear. 20:44, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the highlights that leaked onto the lineart on the tail. 00:08, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wait. . . how do you not do a charart from scratch? o.o Anyways, the highlights are a but too bright and the ear pink is too big. 01:27, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think she means not having to copy the pattern of stripes or color from a previous charart of the same character. XD Anyways, nice job! Maybe make it just slightly closer to Sasha's color. Looks a bit too orange in my opinion right now. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 01:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Paleclaw, that's exactly right. And what I did was I used Sasha's coloring, since it says she's a tawny, but I darkened it ever so slightly. Re-uploaded. Does it look any better? As for the ear pink, I took it directly off of Sasha's rogue image, so I hope it works. Cloud skye  19:02, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the highlights on the chest, haunch and tail; they are way too bright. 19:24, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and darken them. 20:56, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good Cloudy! Center the earpink. 04:49, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Highlights darkened, blured and ear pink fixed. Comments? Cloud skye  12:40, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the back shading, make the ear pink a little smaller. Night shine  01:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a tad more and add a clearer highlight to the top of the tail. 02:03, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Back shading blurred, ear pink fixed and I added a highlight to the tail. Cloud skye  12:47, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur/lighten where the shading meets the highlights by the haunch on the back. 02:48, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading and darken highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:12, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I suck at this, honestly. But does it look better? Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 18:25, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think the highlights have been blurred too much. Sometimes that happens; they get discoloured. You may want to choose a lighter shade of your pelt colour and pencil it over the highlights, then blur that, but right now they're turning greeny-gray XD --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:55, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

This is what happens when people tell me to blur to damn much. I'm just going to re-do this. Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 12:34, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I re-did the image. Jeez, this is an annoying color to work with. Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 12:58, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear pink. 22:55, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm having ear pink issues. but anyways, Re-uploaded. Does it look any better at all? -- Cloud skye  12:46, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess. I can fix it for you if you want... 20:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the highlights and thin out the shading on the chest. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:42, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and if this is the tawny alternate, make this a little warmer in tone. Maybe a bit more yellowy-orange-ish. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:43, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I took the color straight from Sasha, who is tawny colored. Re-uploaded. -- Cloud skye  16:06, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Screech (PH) -For Approval
Comments welcome. Crystalstar999 10:51, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful! Add some more mud streaks and please put this in the correct section =) 17:06, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and rename this Screech.ph.png 17:07, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Moved to the right section. Make the eyes match the prey hunter ones here (obviously without the eyelashes). -- 20:54, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink should be reddened. 23:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the highlights. 23:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blend the mud streaks into the fur more. 23:51, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Add more streaks. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:44, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Crystalstar999 08:56, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the mud streaks a tad and add some to the legs. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 00:00, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Crystalstar999 11:21, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the ear pink, smudge the mud streaks Night  shine  00:59, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. Crystalstar999 02:52, April 8, 2011 (UTC)'''

Get rid of a few of the mud streaks, it makes him look too brown. Night shine  04:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and add highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:28, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Crystalstar999 07:55, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:48, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing (W) - for approval


Mmmm k. I have Dovewing's warrior image. :D .Skystar. 22:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Completely darken the image to match her apprentice with means darken the shading a TON!Honeybreeze 22:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

This needs to be moved to the right section, unfortunatelly I cannot copy and paste, so could you or somebody move this image to the right section? Ivystripe 22:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe

How do you put it in that section? I got no idea. .Skystar. 23:05, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Its been moved. Make the chest highlight bigger, and blur it. 23:13, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. .Skystar. 23:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink, make the tail highlight go along her tail rather than just having a ring of light, make the highlights on her shoulder and flank a bit bigger, move the light onto her forehead on her face, and darken the shading. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:53, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. .Skystar. 00:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste around her and darken the highlights 01:36, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the whole thing so it's closer to her apprentice image's color. It looks a bit too light right now. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 01:57, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the ear-pink, darken the shading more and make it looked rounder, it looks kinda flat, and add shading to her jaw. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'll have to edit her later. .Skystar. Oh!! Waffle time it's waffle time, will you have a waffle of mine? 02:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the shading. It looks messed up. :P 04:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Add earpink and blur and/or darken the shading on the back of the haunch. 19:22, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Add ear pink. 22:25, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on her back/back of her leg is sharp, it needs to be blurred. 23:39, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Trying to blur the shading on her haunch. .Skystar. Oh!! Waffle time it's waffle time, will you have a waffle of mine? 00:35, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, center the ear-pink and make it larger. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 00:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

How bout now? .Skystar. Oh!! Waffle time it's waffle time, will you have a waffle of mine? 01:04, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink triangular :3 01:56, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Should I do anything with the shading, or is it ok? (I'll edit the earpink later as well, I have to go.).Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 01:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shadin a lot; right now it looks like you just added shading to the haunch and then added highlights. Blur everything a lot =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:59, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to make the shading too dark though, she is a pale grey she-cat and I don't want to make her too dark of a grey. .Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 22:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

It's fine Skystar, the shading does need to be darkened a lot. If she looks too dark after that then someone will tell you to lighten the whole image to fix it. Make the ear pink larger, it only covers half of the ear. 22:38, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

ok. How is this for darker shading? Don't wory about the blurring and wrong name and stuff, if it's ok I'll add it after. .Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 23:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

We cant tell if it's dark enough if its not blurred. But from what i can tell it needs to be darker and definatly much thicker. 23:40, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. re-uploaded. .Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 23:53, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, blur the shading. There is blurred line art in several areas. Night shine  00:57, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Even darker shading?.Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 01:04, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, even darker. 03:27, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights need to be blurred too. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  15:00, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are blotchy. Blur them. And darken the shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:30, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading/highlights near the eyes. Other than that, look good! :) ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 22:45, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

On her back, it looks like you blurred a little of the lineart. 01:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

blur the haunch shading. 21:55, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Looks nice, but blur the highlights. 23:39, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font face="Chiller" size="5" color="5C3B7A" >Ze godly Supernubbeth (<font face="chiller" size="3" color="B392D3">(Talk) ) 22:07, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are still kind of blotchy and too light. 22:13, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Blur the shading/highlights and saturate (then lighten) the earpink. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:49, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Rain (To-Be) - For Approval
Here she is... I don't know her eye colour yet, so I just made it blue. When I do, I'll change it. Comments? --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 01:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

As epic as the spots look, I think speckled would probably be something like the speckles on Goosefeather or Ashfur. I don't think these spots would necessarily be described as speckles. That's just me though. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 01:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the speckles would be fine, but maybe Frostheart or Night Shine think different. Darken the shading and brighten the highlights, and desaturate the ear-pink a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:55, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Paleclaw; giving her leopard spots makes absolutely no sense. She was described as flecked. Darken and blur the shading, and the colour of the ear pink and eye are way too bright. 01:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Nobody knows what kind of speckled she is. I'll redo it if a lead asks for it. The eye colour is temporary, and the earpink is now redone. Please don't post to say what has already been said, Dovesong/Mosspool. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:08, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Umm. . . leopard spots aren't a kind of speckled, which Paleclaw didn't say. I was agreeing with them. That's allowed. And I said other things. Cats can't even have leopard spots, and call me Mosspool. You don't need to put Dovesong/. And her eye colour may never be revealed, so you choose whatever it want, but that doesn't mean you should make it insanely bright. And the ear pink is still too bright, and the shading is still unblurred and too light. 02:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is insanely bright, she is speckled, not a leopard, and her eyes shouldn't be neon blue.<font color="#C3FDB8">我如何爱春天  <font color="#348781">雲⻗晴 <font color="#737CA1" >Ice Cave <font color="#348781" >雲⻗晴 <font color="#C3FDB8">我如何爱春天 02:22, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Moss: I meant the shading and the earpink comments. They didn't need to be said twice. I'm waiting until there is a reference for her eye colour, and if it turns out there isn't one, then I'll change the eye colour. This is temporary. I forgot to mention I was working on it.

Ice Cave: Please don't post to re-state what has already been said. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:42, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and if I didn't mention it before, we're waiting for lead comments. --  Wildheart  Back from Maui; tanless 02:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see Scarletwind has said it. And like I said before, her eye colour may never be mentioned, so the fact that it is 'temporary' is not excuse for it to be horrendously bright. :3 And I still think the shading should be darkened and blurred, as well as the ear pink is still hot pink. 02:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'll look for an eye color. 02:56, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well if you DO get to keep the leopard spots, I think you should take them off the ear. It looks a bit odd with the ear pink over it for some reason. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 08:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really think we should keep the leopard spots. IT's not speckled, and it just seems unrealistic. :P 15:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Frostheart, I'm redoing it =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 22:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I LOVE the spots! Very nice! The highlights could be defined a little bit. 23:41, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Haha thanks Ivystripe, but I have to redo them =( --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 00:46, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit more too. ;) <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 00:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Redid image. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

The spots are bothering me. . . they just look like tiny little brushed on spots. I always though speckled would be like Ferncloud. Darken and blur the shading a lot. 22:35, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten highlights and blur/darken shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in progress. I agree, Mossy, it does kind of look terrible. I just didn't know how to fix it, but I'm working on a different design as we speak. A new one should be uploaded in the next couple days. Again, sorry, guys! It'll be up soon. Thanks for your patience. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 23:53, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mkay. It doesn't look terrible. XD Just throwing this out there, a good way (or at least I like it :P) of doing spots is to draw on a whole bunch of various sizes (have them overlap a lot and don't always click the same number of times) and then smudged them very carefully. That's what I did for my Thistleclaw picture. But if you like waht you have and you're already doing it. . . yeah. XD 03:50, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

You're lying to me haha it's terrible. Much too symmetrical. And thanks for the advice. I'll try that =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I changed the pattern again... but I'm still not satisfied. Maybe I'll try your method, Mossy... --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 04:30, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I got bored and changed the pattern again. Comments? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 06:04, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm impatient XD anybody...? Comment on my pic...? haha maybe this means it's just too terrible for people to say anything lol  wildheart     spr ing rai n ♫   06:17, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks great! Lighten the ear pink, lol! No, don't but I think the ear pink looks a bit purple? 06:29, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Splash (PH) - For Approval
Splash as a Prey Hunter. Comments? Leopardclawxx 09:25, April 6, 2011 (UTC)



Blur the stripes, add shading to the jaw, and add mud streaks. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 12:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes more like his To-be image. Crystalstar999 13:47, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Match the colors on the to-be image, and its a her, Crystalstar. XD 20:45, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I've redone the pelt colours and adjusted some of the stripes. I've also redone the shading and added mud streaks. Anything else that needs changing? Leopardclawxx 06:29, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

The colours and stripes still seem way off to me, copy the pattern off her to-be image and colour pick off it too. Do i see blurred lineart along the top of the head and on the ear? 22:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink and add/darken the shading on the haunch and beneath the tail. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:58, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I've just started it again,basically. I've copied the stripes as best as I could from the to-be image and colour picked from it too. Comments?? Leopardclawxx 07:45, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The darker brown (mud, I presume?) could be a little more blurred. I really like this though :) 19:38, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think that looks better. I've smudged the mud streaks. Comments?? 20:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The mud could be blurred instead of smudged. It looks like part of the pelt.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:34, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:42, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes a bit, lighten the ear pink, darken the shading. Night shine  00:22, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 10:10, April 10, 2011 (UTC)\

The bottom of the ear pink looks unfinished, and add/ define the shading near his forepaw and head. I really like how you did the stripes though, amazing! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 03:29, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Comments? 06:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a bit. This is lovely. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:50, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think this is better. Comments please? 06:14, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe even a bit more... =P  wildheart     spr ing rai n ♫   06:16, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuplaoaded Happy now? :) 06:24, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Haha. Except maybe brighten the earpink a little more... haha just kidding. Go comment on my pic? =P  wildheart     spr ing rai n ♫    06:26, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Whiskernose (W) ~ For Approval


My first image! Anyways, comments? 12:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Add highlights Crystalstar999 15:10, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the little shading outline lots, add highlights to the back, head and tail, add shading to the legs. 19:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

There is shading on the legs xD Nevermind! But you know what I mean XD 19:36, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job! Blur the highlights, redden, enlarge and center the ear pink. 22:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and title this Whiskernose (W) ~ For Approval...nvm, I'll do it XD 22:11, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, darken the ear-pink, and add a highlight to his face. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 00:54, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading to the neck and belly and thicken it. Fix the blurred ear lineart. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:02, April 7, 2011 (UTC

With request from Willow, I am going to help with this image. ❁  YatzSliversword   Ah, spring...  ❁ 11:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot. 04:35, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading tons, add highlights, and enlarge earpink.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading Night  shine  00:21, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 23:14, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''I can work on it now. Thanks anyways Yatz. BTW Can somebody give me a color for the earpink? 12:09, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

You can use this chart to determine the earpink colour:  15:34, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

and blur the highlights. 00:02, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading to the neck and the belly and blur it. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Dark (to-be) ~ For approval
Dark Shadow on Water as a to-be. Comments? I'll name it Dark.alt.tobe (I think) when I edit it next o3o Done :3 19:27, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the highlights and blur the earpink. :3 19:55, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Dark.tobe.png and you don't have to make a new file to make changes. 19:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I made a mistake, rename this Dark.tb.png 19:58, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink and lighten it. 20:54, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can't see any shading. You only have to do the light parts since Dark is a black cat. If you want to do shading, make the black lighter. 00:46, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''I took the color from Cora's charart (since she is a black cat) and used it. I now realize it's way easier to shade now. 01:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bunch and extend it upwards a bit. Lighten and shrink the earpink. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Used Cora's earpink. 19:27, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Move the ear pink up more, it doesn't really. . . fit the ear and blur it. Darken the shading a lot. 22:32, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Contrary to Mossy, I would say make the highlights brighter instead. It looks dark enough to me. :3 02:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Really? I can hardly see it at all. If she brightens the highlights he might not look black. 03:25, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. Darken the shading. Also, I think there's osme blurred line-art in the ear. I'm not sure. 03:29, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps erase a little bit of the bottem of the ear pink so that it looks more natural. Good charart! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 03:57, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 02:45, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Either darken the shading or brighten the highlights. Looks epic Splook :3 04:36, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Cool, Splash! Darken shading and brighten highlights.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:40, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Thanks :) 17:01, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

define te shading a little more, i can hardly see it, but it still looks great! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 03:25, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the ear pink. 21:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  02:02, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 01:15, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink and blur the shading. This is very nice =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone.  02:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lion's Roar (Kit) - For Approval

 * [[File:Lion'sRoar.kit.png]]

I'm really proud of this. I especially like the tabby stripes :) 21:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job, Icestorm! Blur the chest highlight, and blur the stripes. 21:57, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the ear-pink, make the nose a bit pinker, and darken the shading a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:18, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look too paintbrush...y, if that makes sense. Either go back and smudge them, or redo them. They just look unnatural. I hope I helped. 23:53, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivystripe. I'd also say makey them a little less green-tinted and a little more browny-orange. =) Make the chest highlight a bit bigger and add some smaller stripes. --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:12, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more visible. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  21:22, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur stripes.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:42, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 22:25, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Stoneteller (OTS) (H) - For Approval
Ice Cave never reserved this and I had it reserved yesterday. Comments? 22:04, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the ear-pink, darken the shading on the herbs and tail, and remove the brown pixels by his front paws. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:14, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink on the left side is larger than the right side. 22:16, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I really like this one. ^.^ Remove just a bit of the mud streaks. 22:18, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 22:30, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, right now he looks like a brown-and-black cat. Make the mud look more like streaks and also make the ear pink more reddish. Darken the nose. Night shine  22:49, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I kind of like the way it looks like he rolled in mud, instead of just separate streaks... blur the shading though, and make the eyes a little less red XD --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 23:01, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Wildheart. I think it looks nice. Add more shading to the herbs. 23:17, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

The fur on the toes completly lose the line art, lighten it up a little so we can see the individual digits on his paws, or cover it completly in mud. It looks strange when the lineart gets lost like that 23:56, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can see all the toes fine. There seems to be a bit of colour outside the lineart by the base of the tail. And blur the highlights (mostly the haunch one). 00:39, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

AMAZING! I also like how the mud looks. I honestly can't see anything wrong that hasn't already been said. Nice job! :) ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I am so insulted...I leave for 2 days because my cat almost dies and my pic gets ignored. (Ice Cave)


 * I got the ear pink and nose pink from his cave guard image. The eyes as well. Also, the mudstreaks are that different from Night's:
 * I got the ear pink and nose pink from his cave guard image. The eyes as well. Also, the mudstreaks are that different from Night's:

11:13, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well is Crag, not Night, so going by her isn't very good, but make the mud streaks a bit smaller Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 21:17, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Maplepool, they're different cats but I doubt that would effect how mud shows up on their pelt. I think it's fine. Make the nose black and darken the ear pink. 22:30, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. I read in the books that the healers never leave the cave, so I don't think they would need to have mud streaks. Night shine  00:54, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

But we added mud streaks to queens, and they don't go out either. 03:24, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with mossy. Healers might actully have mud streaks to blend in with the senery and have protection like if Sharptooth, (when was alive) were to come into the cave, The mud streaks would help them blend in better so Sharptooth wouldn't spot them. This could go for queens too. Fea ther  22:57, April 8, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Actually, the queens do go out, as shown by Brook in SotM. As beautiful as the mud streaks are, I think Nightshine's right. Sorry... --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Really? They like go out and patrol and stuff? Or do they just like go out for walks? Did it actually say that Brook got all muddy and stuff? XD 07:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken shading.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  16:47, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Then, why does his proceeder have mud-streaks?

17:06, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well when I made that image it wasn't clarified that the Stonetellers don't leave the cave. I think they should just have no mud streaks. Night shine  00:21, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mossy: it didn't explicitly say she got muddy, but she did go out hunting, so I'd assume she did get muddy XD And I'm sorry, Moonflight, but I agree with Nightshine. Make the eyes a bit less red and smudge the pelt colour into the earpink. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:42, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

And blur the ear pink. 21:52, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Toadstep (A)- For Approval
My first charart in a long time. I'm not sure I like it though x3. Darkhallows... Mew? 08:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Needs highlights. The spots look good to me, but I'd have to look at his other images to be sure. 209.34.114.210 13:53, April 7, 2011 (UTC) [Ivystripe, not signed in]

Blur the smudges. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  20:34, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

On his other images his entire back is black and he has a black chest, and the markings are smudged which they shouldn't be - his other chararts are not smudged either. And I see you made his eye blue, it should be green. The ear pink is rather small and needs darkening, and I don't see much shading. 22:26, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Only half his chest is black. Remember, this is a different angle than the other images. As far as I'm aware, a slight texture difference is okay. Admittedly, I tried a new style, it seems I should have stuck with my old one :/. It's alright, I'm going to redo this, in the long run I think that will be easiest. Also, his page said blue eyes, but that's removed now. Darkhallows... Mew? 01:22, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think the tail is too solid black. If you added a white tip or a stretch of white somewhere, I think it would look better. :) Same thing with the back foot; it looks way too dark to me. 01:59, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the smudging is okay. It needs to be consistent. It's really more like three quarters of his chest. . . I removed blue eyes because it was false. And the black back still needs to be one piece too. 03:23, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Redone. '''I feel weird not doing my smudgeys Dx. Darkhallows... Mew? 08:03, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! Blur the black on his flank a bit more, darken the shading on the shoulders, brighten the ear-pink a tad, and darken the shading under the chin and by his jaw. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:08, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! The earpink could be a bit redder.

Flight of Startled Heron (PH)- For Approval
Ok can someone make this bigger and do the stripes? After that I can do the erm uh....shading and ear pink and all...so yeah. I am horrible at stripes. But hey, at least I get to do a charart! :) Honeybreeze 12:34, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll do that later. Give her eye a pupil and add the ear-pink. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 12:36, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this File:Flight.ph.png. Also, you may want to look at Warriors Wiki:Charart/Apprentice Tutorials. 12:38, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

KK. One minute. Give me like five minutes and I'll reupload it.Honeybreeze 12:41, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

K. REULPOADED Better?Honeybreeze 12:46, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Needs shading. I can't tell if there's any or not, but I'm not wearing my glasses :P So it might just be me. 209.34.114.210 13:50, April 7, 2011 (UTC) [Ivystripe, not signed in]

Ive got one!! Any better? 21:27, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading. Night shine  00:51, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

You might want to add highlights. 01:56, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I know if you read my first post I said that I wanted someone to do the stripes and then I would shade it and stuff.Honeybreeze 12:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Honeybreeze, you should do the stripes. Otherwise, it's like you're doing almost nothing. Try reading the apprentice tutorials, which Moonflight linked to above. Try doing the stripes yourself. 17:44, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I tried and it looked absolutely horrible! 207.255.118.172 18:38, April 8, 2011 (UTC)(Me to leazy to get on)

If you can't do that, and you want everyone else to do it for you, why did you reserve it in the first place? I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just sayin'. Are you using GIMP or Pixlr? If so, you should be able to do it. If you have trouble, upload it anyway and have others tell you what to do. 19:35, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

YOu should try more. My first charart was horrible. But you need to practice. You can't assume everyone else will do it for you. 19:49, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the earpink, it's got a little dip in the left side. And don't worry, Honeybreeze, you just need to keep trying. My first image was...well, pretty bad :D I made a sand-colored tabby, and I used a size ten brush for the stripes... -.- But I read the tutorials, practiced more, made some charats for other users to get feedback, and I got better. Now my tabby's are pretty dang good. Just keep practicing and you'll get better. - Ginger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 11:43, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Honeybreeze, it's going to take a while to learn exactly how to do these stripes. Trust me, my first tabby was Squirrelflight and I still remember being scold by Kitsu for using triangles and it looking cartoonish XD As an example I found a picture of my old final version of Squrrielflight. They may have been accepted after works of practice but I find it horrible compared to the work I do now and the changes I made on the current version of Squirrelflight. Sometimes, you may to come up with your own ideas for tabby strips if thats the case like I did with Silverstream (Q) or Brook (W), but beware as others will have to copy your style for other images xD Of course, if your image already has markings from other images, it's best to set those two side by side on your screen so you can draw the markings onto your image. Sounds easy, but it actually takes a lot of work to get them to look very similar. I have faith that you'll learn and soon catch on :) Don't give up so early and ask for others to do your work. OH! For whenever you upload an image into the project, just remember to select it's full size instead of thumbnail for future references ^^-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 01:30, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

REUPLOADED! Gah. I think its worse. :'OHoneybreeze 15:27, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

There I de-thumbed it for you, click Full-sized image, not Thumbnail, get rid of the bloch of the dark stipr on her face, make it on her check, or above her eyes, like bumblestripe's blur the mud streaks, and lighten the stripes, make them less red-brown and more pale/dark brown, add shading to fore-paw farest from us, and her back hind paw and eat a bit more. Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 20:51, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink and make the background transparent. Darken the shading and make the mud streaks more noticeable. Try not to make her stripes so boxy. A bit like her queen charart. --><font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:42, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the stripes and blur them. 22:00, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Her stripes look like puzzle pieces...they look cool but don't match the queen image. 00:29, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Talon of Swooping Eagle (E) ~ For Approval
Talon as an elder, any suggestions? <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 22:54, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Add/darken shading. 23:03, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok sorry i wasn't thinking with my last post. Rename this Talon.elder.png and this needs to be a tabby that matches his other images. 23:13, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

You also need to add a scar across his face. 23:15, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oh boy get ready. First of all he's a long fur. Darken the fur, add stripes, and make the ear pink a little tiny bit more pink.Honeybreeze 23:20, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks, one sec lemme reupload it. <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 23:28, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes should be darken that the pelt. Look at his other images to get a sense of the colours and the style of stripes. Darken the shading and smudge the stripes. Night shine  00:43, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, is that good? <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 02:17, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

He still needs to be long-haired. 02:34, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Right, thanks! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 03:15, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great. Smuddge/blur the scar a bit; it looks like someone drew it on. 07:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ad some highlights, he looks all one color to me. (Mabe add some shading to) <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 17:39, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The whiskers look blurred, it could just be me though 19:29, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

They DO look bIurred, So does the rest of the line-art... <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 00:20, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink and fix the blurred lineart. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:36, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok so i fixed the blurred lineart, reddened the ear pink a little, and the stripes are noticable. Thank you for your suggestions, anything else? My first charart and i want to do it well. <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 02:43, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

You need to add shading and/or highlights. Desaturate the earpink and blur it. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  14:59, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's some blurred lineart of some sort on his chest fur like right above his paws. It looks gray if you can see it.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 17:45, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it just me, or is the whole bottom half of the lineart blurred? (except the paws) Make the BG transparent and darken the shading (if there is any), you can't really see it. ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 22:24, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the bottom of the earpink needs to be blurred. Looks like you might have missed it. ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 22:29, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what it looks like on your computer but i know i never blurred it. hmmm? and oops thanks for reminding me Paleclaw! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 22:45, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

De-saturate the stripes a bit and make them a bit browner (they look a bit reddish to me). Make them a bit thinner and add some so that the pattern matches his Cave-Guard one. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:29, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Everything in this looks blurred. I suggest redoing it or trying your best to sharpen everything up. Also you could place a new line art over top to get rid of the blurred line art, I can help you if you need any. Night shine  00:18, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 03:24, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think I found the problem with this. You're saving the charart with the file extension .jpg. This tends to make the final version of any image all pixel like which is why so much of this is blurred. You can try to save this by copying the file and re-saving it with a safe extension like .png, but more than likely you may have to start over from part one.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 17:17, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ok so i've posted it with a safe extension but it's still seems blurry but i'm waiting to see if nightshine can help but that's probably going to be after her vacation, but thanks for the advice for next time.

Saving it as a jpg ruined the quality and it can't be fixed now. You have to redo it. 03:39, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Whispering Breeze (Alt. SC)~For Approval
I really like this one! :) Comments? <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:51, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, this is amazing! :) The ear pink looks a little unnatural because there's too much contrast between the area of high concentration and low concentration. Try blurring it a tad more. You also might want to darken the shading or brighten the highlights. 01:55, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. And try filling in a little more of the ear if possible. I would possible also blur the stripes all together because at times it seems defined as two layers. The dots on the side of the head could also be blurred so it blends better with the shade of the head. Nice job! <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 02:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-done. The two-toned stripe pattern was getting on my nerves, so I did it over. Comments? <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:58, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Still very nice. Blur the stripes on the face and the shading. 03:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)I hate to say this but, with Broken Shadow she was described as tabby and it was added to her appearance instead of her getting an alt. I don't think we need this. Her image just needs to be tweaked. 03:20, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I can see reason in what you're saying, Mossy. But Night Shine put it in her trivia, so I think she should get an alt. And if we find it unneeded, it can be deleted. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 01:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure tabby was in Broken Shadow's trivia at one point and anyways, Nightshine isn't always right. XD That has nothing to do with it. So we should approve an image that probably won't be needed later? We should deal with it now, not just put it off until after the image is approved. 07:37, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like this. Define the stripes. -- 21:57, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:21, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can you actually read and listen to what I'm saying? It's really annoying and rude when you just ignore me like that. 23:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did read it. But until I get a final verdict, I'm gonna keep working. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:35, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * But you didn't even do anything, or say a word. Ask someone about it. If you just leave it no one's gonna do anything. 23:49, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well I think since it was a one time mistake in pelt colour, she should get an alternate for it. -- Night  shine  00:17, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'll also ask Frosty. Anyone else you think? <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 00:22, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is really good art, but I think the stripes should be added in the next tweek week. -Sunheart- 00:50, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Tabby was only said one time for Broken Shadow and her image is just being tweaked. 05:04, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * So this is declined? <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 16:05, April 10, 2011 (UTC)+

Nope, it'll stay. -- 17:27, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yup, on IRC I talked with Frostheart and we decided that Broken Shadow should just get an alt, too. And the stripes taken off her image. 18:32, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay! Thank you both! :) <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 18:57, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

It looks beautiful:) Darken the belly. 01:24, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:22, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are pretty blurry, and maybe add a few more. And this is just a suggestion, but maybe the tail stripes should start out silver instead of gray because it looks awkward the way it is right now. It looks great otherwise. 03:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I was only able to add in two stripes, but if anyone thinks i should add more, i may just change the pattern. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:13, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I love the pattern! Don't change it =) Maybe sharpen the stripes on her face a bit, as they're too round to match the sharp edges of the other stripes. --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:22, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:35, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a tad. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 22:43, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:14, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add another marking (or markings, if you can fit more than one) on to the other side of her face. It looks a bit empty... By the way, this is lovely =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 08:05, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks awesome! Blur the earpink a bit. 22:02, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 03:45, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud With Star in Belly-For approval
Comments? 16:42, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Umm... This is supposed to be up in the "Images Pending Aproval" section, not the discussion area. <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 17:36, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've moved this for you. I think you shold blur the shading down his back a bit more. Leopardclawxx 19:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink looks a little bit, it kinda extends below the ear a little bit. Make it a tad bit smaller 19:27, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Cloud (Star).elder.png. Cloud (Storm) and Cloud (Star) are not the same cats. 19:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, actually, they are. Think about it. The Erins wouldn't make a Tribe elder with a name so similar to another Tribe elders' name from a different book. I'm sure it was just a typo. - Ginger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 20:04, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I just read the article in the discussion section XP - G  inger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 20:08, April 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, one of the good ol' characters. This is however, wonderful. Make the ear pink a bit more...well, matching the gray pelt. Add shading to the chest and forehead. And, add shading around the haunch if you aren't going to add highlights. -- 02:20, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * The heading should also be changed, just so people don't get confused. XP I agree that Cloud with Star in Belly is a different cat from Cloud with Storm in Belly, and besides, if it wasn't this would be declined. Cloud with Storm in Belly already has an elder image. Darken the shading just slightly. ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:37, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded. 09:37, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is thick and blotchy, thin it out and blur it, and make the ear pink fit the ear, it's a bit messy. 17:38, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Make the shading thinner, add some to the chest, legs, muzzle, and paws. -- 19:40, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Redo the entire image because it would be easier, and use the apprentice tutorials to help you. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  02:09, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ummm..guys, if you looked on the table, you would see that I already reserved this. Whats going on?
 * 19:47, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19:47, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19:47, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Stoneteller (Ancient) - For Approval
I worked on this for days and it still looks like crap. xD Constructments? 18:27, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

What? Nonsense. It looks great. Just add highlights to the eyes and herbs. 18:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten her fur, it looks more silver than white. -- 18:40, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 19:14, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Half Moon, I presume? Anyways, it's good. Make the earpink darker, and that's pretty much all I see. -- 19:39, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job, I don't see anything that could be fixed. 20:13, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I belive the herbs can be shaded a but mroe detailed. Fea ther  20:18, April 9, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Darken the shading under the chin and lighten the ear-pink a tad. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:31, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading near the front left and back left legs maybe, to give it more depth. (Our left xD) This is beautiful. 8D 23:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

There's also a gray line under the tail. 00:04, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

There is a border of colour out of the line art around the tail and base of the tail. Darken the ear pink as well. Night shine  00:14, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Is it supposed to have mud? 21:04, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

No, because healers never leave the cave. 00:43, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten this a bunch. Still looks silver instead of white. This is good. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 01:48, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Please don't comment about the colour around the lineart, I'll get rid of it when the image goes on CBA. 22:09, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten it some more. Where's your light source? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:56, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Snow Falling On Stones(TB)~For Approval
Okay, so here's Snow! Her eye was really hard to do. Cardinal <font color="Orange">fire <font color="Khaki"><sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px; "> My fluffy yellow cake!

Umm...it seems kind of small... Fix the ear pink. 22:51, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and move it to the right section XD 22:52, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'll fix the ear pink but...................................I don't know how to put it into the correct section. Cardinal <font color="Orange">fire <font color="Khaki"><sup style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px; "> My fluffy yellow cake!

Moved to the correct section. Blur the shading and tone down the highlights, they look too bright. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:53, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Why is it so small? It IS full size right? Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 00:17, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't think its full size, and the background isn't clear, either. Did you use GIMP? 01:05, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

If this isn't full size, you might have to redo it :/ Did you get the full size of the to-be lineart? 01:06, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

It looks as if you used the real color white to fill the image. If you do that its not right. Use very pale gray. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  02:11, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay...................I'm pretty sure this is full-size, from what I got it at. I think it's small, too. I will delete the back-ground. No, I did not use GIMP; I used Photoshop, as that's all I have. Yes, I did use the real color white to fill the image, so I will put in pale grey instead. Cardinal <font color="Orange">fire <font color="Khaki">My fluffy yellow cake!

When you save it, click on it, then, click the mangenfier then is should have a full size image that looks like;

<-That (With out the thumbnail) Maple♥  pool  I'm a star gazer~ 20:46, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

I took off the thumbnail, so now you can use it. 21:50, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll redo it. Thanks for the blank, I thought the other one looked small. Cardinal <font color="Orange">fire <font color="Khaki">My fluffy yellow cake!

And rename this Snow.tb.png 02:09, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Unknown eye color..?
So, I just reserved Pine That Clings to Rock (I made sure it wasn't taken first). And, he's described as a light brown tom. But there's no eye color decription. Is there an auto-default color you use for cats with unknown eye colors? ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  00:35, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

No. If an eye-color is unknown, it's artist's choice until it's revealed.<font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 00:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

But for kits we usually go with blue. 00:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

M'kay thanks :) I understand that, since all kit's eyes are blue for a few months anyway. (In real life) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  00:47, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should be encouraging artists to use blue, because warriors doesn't really care about realism. Gray cats with white patches? Ginger and brown patched cats? 03:32, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I own a cat that is gray with white patches, and have a friend with a ginger and brown tomcat. What do you suggest? Do you have a better idea? Perhaps proof of Pine-TCtR's eye color? ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  06:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

No offense but I don't believe you. That really just doesn't happen. . . and what about all the cats with blue eyes, and the tortie toms? 06:51, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ginger and brown happens, it's called mottled, I think. click. Grey with white spots, no. However, grey with white paws/nose/tail? Pretty common. Darkhallows... Mew? 09:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

That picture just looks like an orange-ish brown tabby to me. . . but either way, they Erins couldn't care less about how natural the colourations they chose for the cats are. 17:56, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Whatever, I don't really care if you believe me or not. You could argue that my cat is mottled gray and white, but whatever. Again, I state my question; do you have a better idea? A reason why I should make Pine's eyes green or amber or yellow? ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  18:02, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't care if you lie to me about your cat's colouration or not, make his eyes blue if you want. I was just saying to Iceheart that we shouldn't encourage artists to give kits blue eyes because Warriors isn't realistic at all. 20:34, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

-shrug- That is what the color is. Look close and you'll see that it is patches of ginger and brown. And honestly, accusing someone they are lieing, when you have zero proof? Not cool. Darkhallows... Mew? 05:43, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

The photo Darkhallows posted is of a tortoiseshell tabby; patches of brown tabby, patches of ginger. But that's not really contributing to the topic on hand. I don't see any reason to not encourage them to give kits blue eyes. As has been said, if the cat's eye color is unknown, it's the artist's choice on what color they are. If they want it to be realistic and have a relatively young kit with blue eyes, so be it. -- 05:47, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I appologize, I should have stayed on topic. Blue eyes are encouraged. It has always been that way, it is realistic. Darkhallows... Mew? 06:12, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think that a cat with an unknown eye colour should be amber. I mean, most cats have amber eyes. Or blue.- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:teal">Kitties Rule! 09:48, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there should be any set eye color so long as it's realistic (like no lavender or something XP). Like I said above, I think it should be artist's choice until it's revealed. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:32, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Darkhallows, Warriors isn't realistic. At all. So why are blue eyes encouraged? 06:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, this discussion is pretty pointless. It's just the eye color, something that can be changed very easily. 06:54, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Pointless this may seem Nightflower, but it's a common topic to come up for the 3 years I've been in this project. I'm going to have to put my input in this. Yes, the Erin's arem't that good with being realistic with just about any of their genetic stand points in the series, but this is really not the main reason of this discussion.
 * Unknown kit eye color- In the past, we always said to make their eye color blue until the real eye color was finally revealed. Then when the time came someone would usually go edit the file just to give the eyes the color. No tweak week was necessary because that's all that was being done.
 * Unknown warrior eye color- This was probably the most debated thing but generally amber was a color most decided on until the eye color was revealed. Sometimes someone would make a good standpoint about giving the cat green eyes instead, but it didn't really matter as the same process would happen like the kit when the eye color was given. If possible this would be the ONLY exception that gave the artist the choice of eye color, but majority of us agreed on amber.
 * So you see, it's a heated debate that's been around since this project started. It's just been a while since the problem has occurred. I say to just go with the old way we used to go with this. Yes, warriors isn't realistic, it's classified as fiction for heaven sakes! Remember that people? The eye thing is just something to try and keep it realistic until further information is given.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 17:31, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, so we're trying to make it realistic even though Warriors isn't realistic? Why? 18:30, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and our chararts aren't even realistic. Jacques was described as a black and white tom with green eyes which is natural, but the patterning on the charart would never happen! Making artists use blue eyes on kit chararts is hypocritical. 19:38, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

No one said anything about making them use blue eyes. -- Gοlden  pelt  19:41, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

You're just nit-picking my statement now. Encouraging them to use blue eyes. Doesn't change much. And Shimmerpool talked about the old way which was always giving them blue eyes, and said we should stick to that. 19:58, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Even if we encourage them, that doesn't mean they have to. Cherrykit and Molekit both have green eyes. As has already been said, it's the artist's choice. -- 20:06, April 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Goldenpaw is right Mossy. Encouraging is different from making someone. Encouraging you're pretty much giving your opinion in what you think is right, but it doesn't have to be followed; making someone however pretty much is like driving it down their throat and if they don't do it, they'll be punished pretty much. As for now since you're starting to make this a bigger argument than what it actually is, leave it for Maple to decide. Perhaps you can make your own discussion about the realism of the chararts. I was just speaking from personal experience from the past. This project is under different leadership now so whatever the leaders may want it goes to them.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 00:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * But if we tell them it's encouraged, a lot of people will solely because of that. I'm making it an argument? I just meant to say that we shouldn't encourage users to give chararts blue eyes, and people responded, so obviously I wasn't just gonna leave it. -shrug- 00:40, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

When Making Images
Espicially when you're new, look at other cats of the same color. Read tutorials. With the release of the new book we have a lot of new players uploading chararts. That's great! But remember, there is no way you can get accepted if you just use the bucket tool in MS Paint. It might be hard at first, but you'll get there! I wish I had a copy of my first Spiderleg image around to show you how fast a person can improve (oh gosh, that was back in... Jan 09. I feel old!). Imagine a grey warrior black with a redone eye and two white circles as shading, that was my first image. Most of all, have fun! Don't do charart if it stresses you out! Darkhallows... Mew? 12:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

To add to that, when you reserve a charart, you have a week to post it in the talk page, so there's no huge rush. Experiment with different styles and find the one that works for you. And like what DarkHallows said, have fun with it. This isn't schoolwork (no offense to anyone who likes schoolwork XP). <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:28, April 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh god, ancient! I was only here in Oct. 09! Lawl, whatever. But I do agree with you, other images can be a rolemodel for the one you're currently doing. -- 12:08, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Stone Song Leader?
I'm confused. Does he get a leader image? Furled Bracken doesn't have a leader image, which is why I asked before reserving (I withdrew from Ice's loner image). - Ginger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 15:36, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so, since Furled Bracken didn't get one. They weren't Clan leaders after all, nor were they healers. 19:55, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, shouldn't they get ''something? ''They were lsited in the ellgiances as Leaders, sooo...I put Stone Song's up for approval (And NOT because I was being sassy and decided to put it up even though you said no; I didn't see your comment until after I put it up D: Sowee) - Ginger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 20:11, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

The leader blank is for Clan leaders only. The leaders in the Ancients were just sharpclaws who acted as leaders. -- 18:16, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Could they maybe get there own lineart then? Similar to the leaders and healers, but a tribe version...? It just seems like since they were lsited as leaders, and they had there own rank, that they should get a lineart. - Ginger  tail <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script>The air is getting warmer! <font color="#7E13D7" face="Segoe Script> 18:37, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

We've talked this over, but none of the leads thought it was a good idea. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:59, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud With Star in Belly
Hi. I was just wondering, is Cloud With Star in Belly's elder Charart free to do, or, since Moonflight made her article, is Moonflight working on it? I was thinking of doing Lion's Roar's Charart, but then I saw that somebody else has already put it up for approval. Please answer soon, Moonflight.- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:teal">Kitties Rule! 06:00, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, the article has absolutely nothing to do with the charart. But that image is already up for approval. So you can't have it, someone else took it. 06:07, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys when u get a chance can I join? Scarface9lives

Senior Warrior Lead Votes
You will find this message on all four project talk pages.

Due to recent senior warrior nominations, several users and I, including Icestorm, Feathermoon, Frostheart, Mossy, and Helix, discussed why lead votes are much more signifigant in senior warrior nominations? It really is unjustifiable. A Wiki is about team work. Senior warriors work with everyone, not just leads. Yet, normal warriors have no say. Why should they even have the option to comment if their vote doesn't matter? It won't change the opinions of the leads. It really is an unjustifiable policy. A Wiki is a community effort. No two users who may happen to have different positions are no different in importance. Everyone one's opinion matters. Why should one user not have the same voice as another? Why should background matter?

Regardless of your opinion, please, please post it here. If we get enough supports, we must put it to an official vote. Even if you completely oppose of this idea, please, please, comment. Your opinion matters, from leader to kit, we all matter. 20:50, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with you, as you know, considering I was there. Iceheart, you know, you would get your privileges back, too. I never did find it fair that just two votes from leads non-supporting can change everything despite the rest of the project supporting. 20:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you as well. I personally think everyone's vote should be of equal value and we don't make a seperate category for lead votes. Night shine  21:19, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

i agree completly! I remember in this disscussion Mossy said: This is a community where everyone is equal.' She was right, right? Fea ther  21:32, April 9, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I agree. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 22:33, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt there would be anyone who disagrees. I think it's a good idea, 22:57, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. 23:03, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

@Iceheart: We can't say nobody will disagree, as all people have different opinions. ;) Fea  ther  03:40, April 10, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I know this is for senor warriors/warriors, but may I add this anyway? I agree, a wiki, is about support, and if just a few people have a voice, thats like saying

'Hey, you do great work, but your not a senior warrior, so, your voice means nothing, well have fun anyway! BYE^^!' I really don't think its qutie right, I know you don't do that but still, noone really asks the warriors or apprentice's oppions, but, I do think that senior warriors have a voice, but when its for a nomiation, like I said, apprenitces, don't really have a say in that, but, The senior warriors should get a say in the nomations.... Maple♥ pool  I'm a star gazer~ 04:56, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Um...Maplepool? This isn't for sr.warriors and warriors. This is for everbody. The point is everybody's vote counts regarless of what rank they are in. Here we are talking about how Sr.warriors, Warriors, and appretices should matter. That's why i'm glad i was in this disscussion. Because there was a lead in the disscusion, a warrior, and an apprentice. We all agreed soemthing had to be done. Fea ther  06:19, April 10, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I agree as well. Everyone should have an equal say. It is a group project, after all. Darkhallows... Mew? 06:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree. The senior warriors are an important part of projects, so everyone should be able to voice their opinion whether or not they think that person deserves that status. 13:57, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This Wiki is a community. Not where ranks are separated into groups, and ranked higher just because they have a few more benefits and privileges and a special name. They should be ranked equal, and all I see that should matter is that there is more approving votes than opposing in order to become senior warrior. So, in general, I agree with you, Moonflight. I see no point just for senior warriors to be ranked higher. However, what about deputy and leader? Would they be necessarily ranked under senior warrior? -- 14:41, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. We are all a community, and we all have different opinions. Just because our 'rank' is lower than others doesn't mean that our votes mean nothing. <font color="#E6BAFF" size="2px">L <font color="#BADDFF" size="2px">o <font color="#D58AFF" size="2px">n <font color="#7FBEFA" size="2px">e <font color="#C55EFF" size="2px">W <font color="#54ACFF" size="2px">o <font color="#B738FF" size="2px">l <font color="#2B98FF" size="2px">f 20:09, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

AH! Thank you, Moonflight, for bringing this up. I always thought this way, but didn't want to say anything for fear of being shot down. I agree, wholeheartedly. Votes should be cast with the whole PROJECT in mind, not just four or five members choosing. Yes, I believe the priviledges senior warriors have now should stay as they are, but in the way of voting, everybody in the project should be consulted. By the way, this is getting pretty long... somebody want to move this to the forums? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 23:51, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join please?
Can I please join to the project? Thanks! Leaf-storm 20:40,April 10,2011(UTC)

Join?
I've been here for a while, but don't DO much. If I join charart, I'll be on this wiki more often. Here's an example of my work:

Amby the cat *batteries and writing pad not included* <font color="white" style="background:black;border:1px dotted"> "I RULE THE...*Cough cough*" 08:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to give an example. Also, it's encouraged for you not to make PCA the sole purpose of your stay here... maybe you could join PC? Also, your signature violates the signature policy, so you may want to change it =) --   Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 02:19, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I changed it. :) Amberfire3, nutcase. <font color="white" style="background:red;border:1px dotted">Help Japan, they're dying! :'(  07:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

re join?
hey I saw a while ago I was on the apprentice list but now I'm not! am I not in the PCA anymore? because i did ask to join before...

22:10, April 11, 2011 (UTC)Nightwhisker 22:10, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

You probably got removed for not contributing to the project. It happens. It did to me one time. I'm sure a lead will add you back in. Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 23:57, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

ok thx i really want to do a charart cuz there are so many new warriors what with the new book and all...

11:13, April 12, 2011 (UTC)Nightwhisker 11:13, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing
Hey, can I join? I made this really cool warrior Charart for Dovewing. Maplefern gave me some tips on her talk page. I think it's good enough to be on Dovewing's page. PLEEEEEEAAASSE????

Also, I'll put up the Charart when I can join the Project. 00:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, Hazelwing, but you have to reserve a charart before you put it up and Dovewing's warrior charart has already been reserved. A lead will add you in soon. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 07:25, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to reserve a charart. But if you don't, someone else can take it and do it before you. 00:41, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Stripes Alt?
I think Stripes is actully black, considering he was only mentioned as silver with stripes in the alligances in Outcast and throughout the book, we was mentioned as black almost 5 fimes and in Sign of the Moon he was still mentioned as black. Fea ther  01:41, April 13, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Sorry, Feather. But his alt has already been done. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:17, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think she meant that his silver-striped image should be the alt, not the black... is that what you meant, Feather? --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 07:26, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's probably what she means. I agree with her. I've read Outcast, and I know for a fact that he's mentioned as black multiple times. I can't vouch for SotM, though. I really think it should be changed. -- Cloud skye  13:23, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Joining
Could I rejoin? I know I've been inactive (due to various reasons), but I'd like to do chararts again. •Maple fern•  22:48, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Silverstream's warrior alt
May I do Siverstream alternate warrior? 雨Ic e ca  ve雨 00:56, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to ask to reserve an image. Please read the guidelines. Anyway, somebody is already doing it. --  Wildheart  In mourning for Duckling, my phone. 03:01, April 14, 2011 (UTC)