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Hawkfrost - Silver Nomination
He has a good sized article and (I believe) all of his cites and refs. His FE section in particular is quite good. Comments?-- Moonbeam SkyClan will rise! 15:53, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'llk have to check it out, but remember to check before nominating next time. Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  22:30, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

A few of the sections could use a lot of expansion. I would go through all the books in general, though, just to make sure everything is documented. Skyfeather 16:09, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone still working on this? I might try to; I've been busy the past few days...  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 15:23, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Splashnose and Driftkit - Silver Nomination
Since they're all related, and all three of their pages look all snazzy and good, I'd like to nominate them. :) Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 01:27, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Its very good, but there's abrely enough to make a paragraph on Splashnose's page. :) Good idea though :) Fawnstorm  This is one battle Tigerstar will not win... 14:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fallowkit is actually Silver already but as for Driftkit and Splashnose, I think they could be a tad more detailed; since they're so minor, we should squeeze all we can out of their short appearance :)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, fail on my part. xD As for the other two, I'll re-read COTC tomorrow- it's getting rather late where I live. :) Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 00:59, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

More history could be added and they could be more detailed. Ice Spring is here! 01:05, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okies, I'm on that now. ^_^ Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 12:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I still think at least a teeny bit more could be added to both, especially Driftkit; Considering the fact that he was the main focus of that story, but Fallowkit has a longer history, that doesn't make sense. I understand that it might not be possible to get more for Splashnose but for Driftkit at least, it should be expanded.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Scourge - Gold Nomination
Okay, I'm UBER sorry If I'm not allowed to nominate gold, but I have looked over Scourge's page many times, added references to nearly everything (Past names, Past Clans, Descriptions... etc), added quotes, and yeah.

And it's been featured on the front page, which I know is a requirement. ^_^

So... is Scourge ready for gold or am I just being an epic fail by bringing this up? ^^ Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 12:54, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Cite the purple collar. → •Maple  fern•  ←  10:51, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

That would be Revealed on the cover of The Rise of Scourge, right? Cuz I'm dumb and half-asleep at the moment. =P Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 12:54, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Correct. → •Maple  fern•  ←  12:55, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any page (probably in The Darkest Hour) that lists all or at least more than one of his appearance traits? It just looks a bit messy to have a citation every two words in his description and if we could find one that covered most of it it would look better, not to mention be easier to deal with...  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 15:36, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Darkest Hour, Pages 4 and 5 have most of the info... should I just put one ref at the end saying, Revealed in Pages 4-5 of The Darkest Hour? Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 15:43, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

If those have all of them, then great. It's okay if there's another one or maybe two that really weren't revealed in TDH, they can have their own citations, I just wanted to cut down on the number as much as we can.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 15:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Is that better? =P Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 15:47, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I see the citations are perfect, I've researched, the descriptions are beautiful. I think he's ready. LucyϠ in the Sky With Diamonds 04:27, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

One more thing...Where was it mentioned that he had claws renforced with dogs' teeth? → •Maple  fern•  ←  00:54, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Mmm... I've been looking for that, but I can't find anything. D=  Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 00:55, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Darkest Hour, I'm sure... I'll have a look later when I've actually got dressed ^_^ ✐Sa  NdY  07:03, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

It was Darkest Hour. It says somewhere where we first see Scourge. Quailflight 10:05, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yay! I found it; page 233 of The Darkest Hour. (The pale leaf-bare sun glinted unnaturally on the tips of each talon. Firestar felt his blood run cold. Scourge's claws were reinforced with long, sharpened dogs' teeth.)  Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 13:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

Now he's ready. I really want to see him gold now. Quailflight 15:08, April 20, 2010 (UTC)

I think he's ready too. He's got a good amount of history for the comparatively small amount of appearances he's made, and all his citations check out, and he's got quotes too. I don't see anything stopping him now.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I've put his vote up, sorry for the delay.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Runningnose - Silver Nomination
I went over his history and ciations. I think he ready for silver. -- Ice The stars will light your path... 22:03, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think he's ready. The only thing that I can see is that some of his citations are missing. But I'll go ahead and get those. =) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 01:51, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

He's pretty good, but if at all possible his history should be expanded for a few of the books, particularly the ones that only have one line (excepting of course when he only appears in the allegiances). But if nothing more can be written at all for those books, just tell me and I think he's good.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Mist and Star - References?
I noticed that both Mist and Star are lacking references- I've checked Moonrise, and there's nothing on their descriptions. Does anyone know the pages where their descriptions may be mentioned? D= Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 22:29, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... Did you check any of the other books (That had the Tribe in them)? Im not quiet sure myself, really. Fail on my part. 火の毛皮 23:23, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone looking for these? It would be a shame if they had been false all along...  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I hope I don't sound to ridiculous, but I'am positive that I've read somewhere that that's what they looked like. However, I did check all of the books they were in, and I couldn't find them. But I'am sure I read their descriptions somewhere in the books  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 06:23, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Epic Fail on my behalf. I didn't even know about references when I nominated Mist....that's because she was my first. → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:41, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I have just pawed through Moonrise, and used the HarperCollins Browse Inside. I learned not only that Star has no description. I'll continue looking for Mist.  Vaan "So, Fran... how old are you?" 17:01, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

Brokenstar - Silver Nomination
Ah, an evil character. :3 He looks good to me. But, I'm blind and who knows, I could have missed something! xD -- Ice The stars will light your path... 00:58, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Err, are you sure you meant this for gold? He's not even silver yet and he hasn't been featured...  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 11:34, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

oh, sorry. I meant silver. Stupid me! *bangs head against a wall* -- Ice The stars will light your path... 17:48, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

He's great, except his Fading Echoes section definitely needs expansion.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Done. -- Ice The stars will light your path... 20:11, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I still think it could be more detailed, it's still only two sentences. He was there for at least a few pages so I think more could be added.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:12, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Minty - Silver Nomination
I added citations and checked through the book for all the information. It looks ready to me-- N i g h t s h i n e    {   20:40, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't read the Ravenpaw's path series so I can't accurately check the history, but I trust that you've gotten it. I don't see any other issues.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be sure, can someone who's read the manga make sure it's as detailed as it can be before I put this up for vote?  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Specklepaw - Silver Nomination
My first nomination! He looks good to me.S N O W S T O R M Last one to the Great Sycamore is crow food! 01:47, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

His citations are in order, and I cleaned up his history a bit. There's not much I think we could add to his article, but it seems so small. He says nothing quote worthy in Code of the Clans, so I didn't add any quotes. However, I don't see why he couldn't be silver. Nightfall The evening star is shining bright 04:07, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Same as what Nightfall said. Comments before the vote?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:33, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the spelling of references :3-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 04:37, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

When is this going to be put up for vote?-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 22:46, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's up now. I'm sorry that it took a bit longer but there are a few reasons, first of all, I don't like having more than 5 or six votes up at once, just so it isn't hectic, I've been a bit busy myself this week, and Sky has been gone for some reason that I don't know, so that leaves it just to me and Grayravenpaw when he can get on. I'll try and keep a better eye on pending nominations but it's tough when the project is getting so much activity. (Imagine what would happen if there were only one or two people in PCA that could approve art. :/)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

True. Sorry for being impatient, Insaneuar. I will try not to do it again.-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 03:27, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderpelt - Silver Nomination
(First Nom.) After the content drive, she looks pretty good. (This is Quailflight, having technical difficulties.)

As the person who did most of her history check over during the Content Drive, she needs more detail in her NP sections. I'll try and get to it if I can seeing as I've been meaning to for a while.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:32, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Shrewpaw (TC) - Silver Nomination
I cited his family, description, and mentor, and filled in as much history as I could for him. (In Moonrise, he really doesn't appear any more than that). The only thing I couldn't check is his Dawn section because my copy is missing, so maybe someone should check that over for detail, but other than that I think he's good.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 15:47, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Let me grab my Dawn book and check it out. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   01:06, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like his Dawn section has been filled in, so any concerns with him other than that?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:30, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not from me. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   15:20, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

His vote's up.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Speckletail - Silver Nomination
I think she is ready for silver. From the last time I nominated her, and she was not quiet ready, her artical has been worked on, history added, ect. Is she good enough? 火の毛皮 "Life, is but a walking shadow." 21:28, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still working on adding all the info from the books. I'm only on Forest of Secrets so far. I was going to nominate her once I was done.-- N i g h t s h i n e    {   01:17, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Most of her history is actually pretty good, but she definitely needs to be checked for Rising Storm and the New Prophecy books, she only has one or two sentences for each and I'm sure for at least a couple if not all of those books she appeared more than that.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:12, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Mossfire -- Silver Nomination
Not much to say about it. Comments? → •Maple  fern•  ←  13:39, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. Anyone see anything wrong?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:30, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nothing. Quailflight 11:02, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

I've put up the vote.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:03, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Adderfang- Silver Nomination
He's not quite done yet, but I think that he's ready to be nominated to silver. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 00:47, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, his history is in great detail! I don't see any real problems with his page. Seeing as BP was the only book he was in, you've really covered all the details ;)  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:12, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Leafstar's Mother?
Hey, guys? I created an article for Leafstar's mom, and I can't find it... was it deleted? If so, why?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 04:27, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it was. Probably because she has very little information and her name is unknown-- N i g h t s h i n e    {   04:51, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, but she is a bit important  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 04:58, April 26, 2010 (UTC) Wow... the only thing I can say is NOT AGAIN. For starters: Well... it's not the first, not the second and not the tenth time these things happen. I guess a lot of time is needed until some people realize that this wiki is actually a wiki, and not some personal page. Until then, I say good bye, as I don't want to invest months of my free time knowing that my work could be destroyed any time on a whim.
 * It was a well-developed article, with references and such about a fairly important character
 * There are dozens of characters that have much less (or even NO) information (e.g. mentioned in one line, or not even mentioned in any book), but have their own articles
 * The article was not against the Policies of this wiki, and was not irrelevant, thus, it was not a candidate for speedy deletion. If someone had a problem with it, why didn't it go through the AfD process?
 * The users wasted a lot of time and work writing the article. If it was to be deleted, they should have been warned to save their work, move it to their user space, or merge the useful info it contained in other pages (e.g. Leafstar). Deleting content like that is a complete disrespect to the contributors and their work.
 * Kind regards, Helixtalk 10:21, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, wait a second. I could have sworn we agreed to not have articles for nameless characters, at least at this point. We discussed it for a while, and the general consensus seemed to be that. If I misinterpreted the discussion, I'll gladly restore the page, I admit it might have been too much to delete it. However, I don't think what you're saying is fair. This is how the wiki works, and always has, at least in my experience. From what I've seen, it was even stricter a couple years ago, and users were told to create no new pages. Sure, our policies might be a little different from what you are used to, but they have worked for this site for a long time and I don't think you can just come and declare them wrong. I'm sorry for deleting the article, but I can't help but feel that I was just doing things the way they've always been done.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 11:14, April 26, 2010 (UTC) Thanks for your kind reply; however it does not answer my concerns above (i.e. why the information was not merged or safeguarded, why didn't it go through the AfD, and why it was against the policy). Yes, there was a discussion about it, but two people agreeing on something cannot be considered a general consensus, much less a policy.

Anyway, as I said, I would have let it pass if it had been an isolated case; however, it is not. I remember my first experience on this wiki, when I spent 2 weeks to create a page that I considered to be a key reference to the entire Warriors fandom, and all people were like "We must delete this because a new user made it" (i.e. not because it was vandalism, or irrelevant to the wiki, or against a rule etc). And the same happens over and over again, and I'm convinced that it will continue to be so.

You (and some others) always talk about "policies" when such issues are raised. Can you elaborate what do you mean when you say "our policies that worked for the long time", and how are they relevant to this issue? Because when I check the policies on this site, I only find the following: Erm... I don't see any of "our policies" saying that users cannot create pages, or they need a permission for it, or which content is allowed, which articles are eligible for keeping, when should speedy deletion be applied, and similar.
 * Rule stating that the wiki should be not used as a chatroom or personal website
 * Guidelines on unreleased book articles, book cover images, signatures and forums
 * Some very obscure stuff about a "role playing namespace"

Hope this made my point clear. That said, I stand by my decision of leaving the community. There is a too large difference of concepts and culture, and I fear that I would hurt too many people if I continued trying to make this wiki a better place.
 * Regards, Helixtalk 20:06, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for causing an uproar. When I brought up the discussion that Insane's referring too, I wasn't considering Leafstar's mother. I just think she is a tinsy bit more important, just because she did give Leafstar one of her lives; plus we have a discription, and a bit of history to add to her article. And, a possible charart but that's not what we're discussing here. Anyway, I do think that atleast she should have an article because we do have a pretty good name for it. *shrugs* Again, sorry if I caused any trouble  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 20:08, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem at all :) it gave us the opportunity to talk a few overdue things through. Helixtalk 20:12, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I restored the article, I'm sorry I misunderstood the discussion. It was completely my fault and you're right that she's big enough for an article, I just thought that we meant all or nothing on the unnamed characters.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 21:47, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Charcat: Position
I modified a bit the Charcat template so it can display the predecessor and successor of a position (e.g. leader, deputy, medcat). See an example here (the Deputy Position in the box). If you don't like it, look for the Revert link. Helixtalk 09:58, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I kind of like it, it's a nice thing to add to the article. Good job Helix :D But, it is a bit confusing... I dunno. Anyway, I think it's a good idea. What about everyone else?

 ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 20:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is a great thing to have!-- N i g h t s h i n e    {   01:00, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Question:

For, let's say, Russetfur, would we put Blackstar as preceded by or would we put Blackfoot? And for a medicine cat, would we add their successor when their apprentice gets their medicine cat name or when they actually become the medicine cat? -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 01:27, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

For the medicine cat, it would be when the cat succeeds and takes on full responsibility for the Clan, and I think that for Russetfur, we could put Blackstar. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   23:45, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oatpaw -- Silver Nomination
I think he looks good. But, I might be missing something <3 βειιϛοʉπɗ  ding-a-ling! 01:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

He's complete, but he's right on that fuzzy borderline of whether a character is major enough to be silver. The only thing I really don't think should be silver is a character that only appears in the allegiances and never in the plot, but I feel like this could go either way. What do you guys think?  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 01:14, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Splashheart -- Silver Nomination
I think Splashheart's article is ready. → •Maple  fern•  ←  01:21, April 30, 2010 (UTC)