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Cream Cats
This is a 'might', I'm not 100% on this, so I think we need to research this more.

On paragraph three, line three and at 2: Solids and Smokes paragraph 4 and finally, Line 10-11, all state that cream cats are always tabbies, even with faded markings, just like ginger/red cats.

So cats like Daisy, Berrynose, Rosepetal and maybe Molewhisker could be tabbies? I was just looking around on cat genes and thought I should bring this up.-- 06:17, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

I think we already decided that we're not going to add tabby stripes to cream cats a long while ago. Technically, I think it was said that all cats have some form of striping, save for....pure white and pure black cats, or something along those lines. While it's very possible unless they're called tabbies, I don't think it's necessary.

Not all cats have striping? Many do, but there is a gene that masks the stripes to create a solid color. However, all cats with the red gene are tabbies because the solid gene doesn't work without the black gene. Cream cats are the dilute form of ginger. They are all tabbies no matter what. 3:34 Mon Feb 23 2015

I think it only counts for pure cream cats. Not like brown/gray and cream cats like Ferretclaw or siamese cats like Rose. From memory, I don't think we have that many characters that are pure cream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by

It wouldn't. Ferretclaw is technically a diluted tortoiseshell, and Siamese cats are partly albino. It wouldn't only apply to cats described as just "cream." 4:23 Mon Feb 23 2015

 00:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

not all tortoiseshells have stripes on their ginger patches here and gingers are all tabbies so by that logic we'd have to tweak/redo all tortoiseshells so they could have visible stripes

in all seriousness though, yeah gotta agree with Skye, i think it was decided a long time ago we'd not add stripes to creams 00:39, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I think creamis basically pale orange so... 00:23, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm torn on this. While I agree that the cream cats should in theory have stripes, I also feel that it would just cause unnecessary tweaking. Also, with what Beebs said, if we tweak the cream cats we should tweak the ginger tortoiseshells as well. If we do that, though, does that mean that all ginger tortoiseshells are torbies by default, and should be from now on? 12:46 Fri Mar 6

if you look here the ginger torties have very faint tabby around the face, so... 21:38, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

We have never made torbies mandatory and I don't think we should start now. That is way too many unnecessary tweaks. If you want to make yours in the future a torbie, then fine, but I really don't think we need to get so into realism like that. Honestly, I don't think we even need to tweak anything at all. This reminds me of the flecked cats have stripes thing which we don't enforce, but it's allowed. Optional is cool and all, but this seems like a really crappy way to get more tweaks on perfectly fine images. =/

Yeah, I honestly just think tweaking the fully cream cats is it. I also think the tortoiseshell's are fine. 21:53, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Like whats been said above, i think the torties are fine, but we should tweak the fully cream-colored cats. They /are/ a form of ginger, afterall. 18:38, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Breeze. It also seems kind of hypocritical (not trying to be offensive; I just can't think of a better word) since we gave ginger cats stripes, and cream is the diluted form of ginger. 20:38, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

There aren't many full-cream cats IIRC so that seems manageable. I dont think ones that are only partially cream should be tweaked, though. 20:44 Thu Mar 19

Can we get some more opinions on this? 09:14, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

There aren't many full cream cats so it doesn't need so much work 09:10, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

I had a look around, and the cats that would need a tweak is Misha, Egg, Tansypaw, Berrynose, Dawnpelt, Rosepetal and Daisy. If we go ahead of course. 02:55, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Grey and Silver+orange and pale/dark ginger
K I hope I don't sound random but isn't grey just a partial of silver? Simultaneously isn't Orange just a partial of dark/pale ginger? I dunno I just saw some cats had alts like this and decided to bring this up 03:56, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Gray and silver are different. Silver tabbies can only have black stripes, and gray is just like a brown tabby- the stripes can be a darker version of the base. Silver-gray is a specific shade, however. But if they're just called a silver tabby, then it's different from a gray tabby. idk about orange and dark/pale ginger, though. I always thought ginger was more red, and orange was..well, orange.

Just to say, I just looked up ginger, it says "a reddish yellow or orange brown color" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 04:07, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

grey and silver are definitely different, but even if you google orange cat, you get so many different varieties of ginger cats. always seemed redundant to me to have alts for it. 04:10, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

For me I thought ginger was more yellow than orange >.> 03:48, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Silver and gray are different, but Gray-silver is different too, like golden and brown is different, but so is golden-brown. Didn't one of the Erin's say that they see ginger as a orange colour? Someone posted a link about it here. 08:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Ginger = reddish yellow/orangey-brown. 00:20, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Leader blanks for non-clan leaders
I've been reading through the archives, and I've noticed this topic has been brought up many times, but has kept being ignored. So I'd like to bring this up again.

Basically, I think Furled Bracken, Stone Song and Jingo should get leader blanks, as they were specifically called leaders, especially Furled Bracken and Stone Song. I know the leader blanks are only for clan cats, but we can easily allow them to be used on non clan leaders.

Thoughts? 09:19, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

No. While it seems plausible to give them leader blanks since they /were/ technically leaders, they never recieved nine lives or a leader name from starclan. It could also confuse anons and guests to the wiki browsing through the pages to see a rogue/loner with a clan leader image. Its unnecessary since theres only a handful of cats who'd need it, and even if they are the leader figure to some cats, they're /still/ rogues and loners. Its 5am, so forgive me if im not making any sense.. x.x 09:11, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'm neither agreeing or diagreeing, just poking in to say that the amount doesn't matter. after all, there's only 3 stoneteller blanks in use and likely won't go above 5 if that ever changes. 09:14, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

We've already said no multiple times. I don't understand why this keeps being brought up- it seems like an excuse for more images and each time we've come to the consensus that they do not get leader images- majority rules.

From what I've seen, it keep getting ignored whenever it has been brought up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but okay. I only brought it up because I thought it was unfinished topic. 11:44, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

It's not unfinished- we've already said multiple times (going back long before most of the active users joined) that they don't get leader images, since the leader blanks are for those who've been recognized as leaders by StarClan, with their names, their nine lives, who've actually been leader for a short time (Brightwhisker's case), ect. Jingo, Furled Bracken, and Stone Song do not meet the qualifications to obtain a leader image. It doesn't get ignored- not getting the answer you want isn't ignoring a topic. The discussions are archived' because they sit there with no comments, thus ending the debate.

This seems quite ignored to me, nobody responded to Jayie after they posted their comment (except for Stealth, who wasn't replied to too) so I thought I'd bring it up again, to see what you all think. And it's not and excuse to make more chararts- suggesting a new idea isn't really an excuse, Imho. So if it's disagreed that they would get images then I'm cool with that. 12:46, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

Did Graywing get his nine lives? 0.0 02:02, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

If it goes without comments, I archive it. That's considered finished, since no one else wanted to continue the discussion. We also have a citation for Graywing, Bramble, hence why he has a leader image. The citation for that comes long before Dawn of the Clans. Hell, I think that was a Secrets of the Clans cite, which has probably been around longer than I've been on the wiki...

I think they get blanks, but not Clan Leader blanks. Maybe new ones need to be made or something. Please don't say I'm trying to make art to do, because I'm not like that. There's plenty of art to do anyway. 08:51, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm against it. They are basically loners/rogues. 00:26, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Cats of the Park
Right, PC has made it that Cats of the Park is it's own rank. I think now it's for PCA to decide about the charart. Do we make a new one? Use the loner/rogue blank? I also think that giving the loner blank a little tweak, (like the Clan leader and healer blanks or something) is not a bad idea either. 05:16, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Loner 07:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I think loner would be more appropriate than rogue 12:50, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I agree that a loner should be used, but maybe we could do a small edit so it's noticeable that it's from the CotP. 12:53, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

For some reason I keep on thinking about giving them ribbons. I agree with that, but what should we edit? Maybe make their tail higher? Or make all four of their paws on the ground?? 13:18, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly - or the neck could be raised, so that the cat is looking up. 19:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

We should definitely use the loner blank. And I like Sorrel's idea of having the cat looking up. 20:57, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe we can tweak the loner a bit to look like they are meditating a bit. Maybe legs a little straighter and on the ground like Bramblesnow's idea, or Sorreltail's idea where they are looking up. (with eyes closed?? So they actually look in meditation?) 23:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, i like Sorrel's idea. Perhaps we could just have the cats looking up with all their paws on the ground? I don't know, it seems to diferintiate it a little more. Im up for whatever ya'll decide to do, though. 23:31, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, the cats looking up is a good idea, however is it possible for us to confuse the loner blanks and the modified versions? 0:12 Fri Apr 17

If they aren't loners, actually, they shouldn't get loner blanks, in my opinion. 00:20, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

True. I thought of that before, that they do live together (aka not alone), but Ravenpaw, Barley and Jingo's group all used the loner blank as well. Anyway, if the loner's heads are raised with four paws on the ground, that'll just be exactly like the to-be blank. 00:55, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Why tweak the loners? They aren't loners. Also, if we tweak the loners we would need Mounty's permission, which she isn't active anymore. 02:36, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, that would be difficult if the OA isn't around. Maybe a new blank is a better way, because they are not really "alone" and certaintly not rogues. 04:11, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

As I said, Jingo's group got loner blanks too, so I think it's kinda... yea. But then I don't think we should stop things just because a user is no longer active - I'm not trying to offense anyone, but that's true. 08:38, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

We need the OA's permission to tweak a blank- I think that's the rule. And the loner blank would be used on loners, which they aren't 11:46, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to OA's permission to tweak a blank. It's the same ruling for PCA images- once they're posted to PCA's pages, they belong to PCA, letting us do with them as we wish. Otherwise, we'd need to ask permission to tweak for shorter tails, ripped ears, ect. If they can be tweaked, then do so. I can tell you though that Jenrock isn't really going to care and she doesn't have any of the files she had when she was active here.

I'm against tweaking the loner blank for the cats of the parks, but that's just me. 06:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Mentor Program
It seems that the head of this program has left the wiki. Many mentor applications are left unhandled, and so are the apprentices' application. There probably needs to be a new head of this program to make this move smoothly. If I offended anyone, my apologizes. 00:18, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, honestly. Duck /has/ been inactive for awhile. If not a new head, maybe a co-head to handle things while the other is gone? Just an idea. 02:43, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, some requests have been there for a long time and the table needs an update too. 04:11, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

If someone just wants to take over, I wouldn't have any issues with it- it doesn't even need to be a lead- just a member who has experience with tweaking and meets the qualifications.

If thats the case, how would we figure out who will take over? Personally, i'd like to have this position- if thats alright with everyone else, of course. Nonetheless, it really does need updating. 20:38, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

If you want to, Breeze, then go for it. If someone else wants to help, we can do the co-lead thing we had before. Just go ahead and update it- I won't get angry.

I could help, if you like 06:30, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Go for it, Fox. You've got the qualifications to be a mentor, so I'd have no complaints, as long as someone's getting it done. Both you and Breeze are fairly active and I don't see either of you leaving anytime soon, meaning the mentor program gets the attention it rightfully deserves.

Scourge's Collar Color
I'm not a member of PCA, so please forgive me. But maybe the color of Scourge's collar could be changed. Not because the color for Scourge's collar isn't confirmed, but because I just don't like seeing people thinking the Scourge's collar is purple and than hassling outside artists for their own creative work. What I'm trying to say people use the cover of The Rise of Scourge or the charart of Scourge here to excuse their saying that Scourge's collar to purple to artists who depict Scourge with a red, blue, yellow, brown, green, or even pink. Yes, every artist has every right to depict Scourge however they like, even with a purple collar. Okay, I'm just rambling on now, so I should leave it at that. :P --Songheart (talk) 21:31, April 21, 2015 (UTC)Songheart

Why would we change it? The collar color is up to whichever artist made the image. What the fandom chooses to do is of no concern to us- we're here to make pixels. If it's purple, it's purple. There's no reason to change it unless we have a confirmation. I personally adore the color purple and I think it's a lovely color choice to have. Fun fact, they do the same thing with Bone's collar color and we are not changing that anytime soon.

I've had this idea that much like with BloodClan cats with the collar and the description, maybe we can list the colour of the collar if known. Maybe with Scourge's case, we can just list it as an unknown colour. This sounds like it belongs to project characters though. 03:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

24 or 48 hours?
I just wanted to clear something up that's been bothering my overly organized mind. For the duration of a CBA'd image or an image on the Tweak Page, does the image have to go 24 or 48 hours without comment before it's approved? I've seen users go both ways and there's even disagreement in the little commandment box at the top of the page and in the Guidelines. So, I was hoping to get this sorted out.

In the past, I believe we always went with the 24 hours without comment equals approval and if an image has gone 48 hours without comment, you can go ask a SW to approve it. Personally, I think 24 hours is a substaintial ammount of time, but I wanted to get this sorted out as a whole.

Comments? 03:17, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

I actually don't think 24 hours is enough for redone images, imho. Especially given how dead the tweak page is sometimes, I'd like to change it to 48 hours. I've seen images archived with tweaks still needing to be made to them, things that need to be fixed, ect, and it's mainly because sometimes these things aren't posted during peak hours.

Join
Hello! I was wondering if I could join this project? 18:38, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Of course. Read the Guidelines and the apprentice tutorials. Welcome to PCA! 06:32, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest Blanks
The Dark Forest cats get their own rank now. So now it's up to PCA for the art. Would we tweak the rogue blanks? Or create new ones? 07:54, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Goodness, can we please settle down the other arguments going on? ._. 08:17, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

I say new blank. They are too unique to be partly rogue. That's just one opinion of a cat against a massive amount of narration. 19:25, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

New blank, 100%. I've never been a fan of just tweaking blanks to make a new rank. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:31, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

We can still discuss this even with other discussions going on, Burnt. Personally, I think we can go forward with this, since it looks like the warrior blank forum isn't going to be decided anytime soon. Plus, I think the idea of waiting until the series is done to redo those blanks is a much better idea.

That being said, a new blank for the Dark Forest cats is the only fitting solution. We gave StarClan a brand-new blank, so why should the Dark Forest be any different? Going by Spottedleaf's one-time quote isn't good, given we have a slew of information that proves otherwise.

Editing existing blanks for an entire new rank just feels... lazy. New blank, if anything 21:16, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

I agree on a new blank 21:18, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Mmmm... If we are going to go ahead I'd definitely say we could go for a new blank. 00:12, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

New blank, I guess. 00:14, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Agreeing with the above comments. They aren't rogues, they're their own rank and should get their own blanks. 00:21, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Just to ask, would the trainees get ranks? It has been only vaguely discussed in PC. 22:01, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so- that's overdoing it tbh. They're not official apprentices or anything like that- we don't count the cats that trained them as mentors, so that seems a bit unnecessary.

Yeah, that makes sense. I was mainly thinking of Breezepelt and Ivypool, who were made Warriors of the DF. 22:12, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

I totally have no problem with new blank ^^ 01:50, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Join?
May I join? Russettail13 (talk) 19:59, May 1, 2015 (UTC)Russet

May I join this? Flame star22  18:40, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

Of course. Read the Guidelines and the apprentice tutorials. Welcome to PCA! 06:32, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

May I join? The Legendary Lion (talk) 03:14, May 5, 2015 (UTC)