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Unoffical leaders (SPOILERS)
Sorry I should've brought it up with PC prior to doing anything. Okay so unofficial leaders, I know that this has been discussed before but in Darktail's case, he was heavily referred to a leader so many times Alderpaw was just like "why isn't he called Darkstar you dumdums". He refers to himself as a leader several times, and they drove SkyClan out and he is the leader of the rogues technically, and they all listen to him and stuff like that. Does that make him a leader, or should we put it as unofficialy? Same thing goes for Jingo, by the way. 14:21, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

A leader is a leader, regardless. At the same time, it would also be appropriate to clearly define what the leader rank is. Is it only a Clan rank, and if it is, then why are these cats clearly labeled as leaders of their own group? If so, then what's to say for cats like Furled Bracken and Stone Song, who were very much leaders of the Ancient group of cats we saw in Long Shadows and Sign of the Moon, and why aren't they entitled to a leader charart?

Is our blank only a Clan leader charart? If so, then why are all Clan leaders marked with "Leader" instead of "Clan Leader", when the leader rank itself is shown to be used elsewhere? Slash's group, Darktail's group (they'd also get a page, I think?????), Jingo's group, the Ancient cats, BloodClan, ect. There are multiple groups within the series that have a clear leader of their group, but they don't get anything special.

Right now I think we should think of status, not charart. What I'm thinking is that we have a leader, but maybe in the trivia it says they're not a Clan leader? Or maybe Leader (Unofficially), and officially can be a Clan? Idk I'm tired 14:30, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They're tied together, and you can't talk about one without bringing up the other, Icy. =P And technically, cats like Slash, Darktail, Furled Bracken, and Stone Song aren't unofficial. They are called leaders, and multiple times at that. They're just not Clan leaders, which makes me think we need to redefine what a leader is and who does and doesn't count.

a leader is a leader, regardless of the group, they have the same job even if they don't have the same methods, the only real difference is the nine lives the clan leaders get, so they really should get some kind of rank acknowledgement. all in all it's just up to the wiki itself if we want to use the images for non clan cats or not. 14:35, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but maybe we could have a blank for non-clan leaders? But this is PC, and I think we can call them leaders (non-clan) or something like that. We need to acknowledge that they are leaders, but not Clan leaders. 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They are most definitely leaders, but perhaps we could create a Non-Clan Leader rank/category for them? I do agree that each group probably should have it's own page, as said above.

There are so many examples of non-Clan leaders that I'm surprised this rank hasn't been brought in before.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:33, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:12, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think a leader is a leader regardless whether it is of a clan or another group because isn't a clan just a group? 21:21, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Have we reached a conclusion?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:22, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

It would seem so. Jaysnow (talk) 02:29, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Then what is it? Are we going to create a non Clan leader category? 15:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should have that and a rank too. We should rename leaders 'Clan Leaders' (because they are so often called that) then non-Clan leaders just 'leaders', because again that's what they are called in the books. They should be given a category and rank for it and the rest is up to PCA.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:37, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, do you mean PCA, or PC? Because if we give them a rank, we do have to have a blank for it, because that's hardly doing it properly. All other ranks should have a blank, so if we decide to do this, know that a blank will be necessary, as it is considered an official rank on this wiki. We can't reuse the leader blanks that we currently have, as they are Clan leader blanks. But that's a PCA discussion, not PC. I don't know if anyone else is going to comment on this, and since there was at least six days between your comment and the last, Stealth, I think it's alright to go ahead and ask for a final call for comments.

I really don't see the need for a whole new leader blank. Can't we do what we did with the healer blank - tweak the leader? But then again that is for PCA. This is PC and we haven't even decided if it's official or not. 16:50, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

PCA. Yes I meant PCA sorry. Anymore comments for this? PC comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:12, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Okay how will we do this? I think clan leaders should be called that, "Clan Leaders" and non-clan leaders should just be called "Leaders", because really that's what they are called in the books.Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  08:51, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds good, but maybe we shouldn't change the status box itself, and just keep it as Leader: Firestar, or Leader: Darktail? 14:41, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

anymore comments on this? 01:06, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

About 4 people have commented and agreed. How will we do this? I still say the same with my previous comment.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:40, August 19, 2016 (UTC)

I definitely agree with giving them a rank. I think that in the categories, we should label them as "Clan Leaders" and "Non-Clan Leaders" to avoid confusion. They're definitely distinct ranks, and calling just one of the groups simply as "leaders" and not the other would be confusing also, since leaders of both Clans and other groups are almost always referred to as just "leaders" in the books. However, in the infobox I believe they should both just be labeled as "leader" like Icy suggested. 23:55, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yep I think that sounds good. Anymore comments?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:37, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the decision on giving them the status. Perhaps it could be discussed on PCA to get a blank? --  00:24, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

I agree w the status though I just think we could use the same blank just w a different leader category. it's the same job, the only real difference is the nine lives. I mean we do use the same blanks for healers basically so meh 20:43, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Oops. That's what I meant. Getting a blank as in having the leader blank. Sorry I wasn't clear :/ --  00:29, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

It looks like everyone agrees. Anymore comments before we implement this?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:09, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Charcat template
Alright, so, I've brought up to Skye, that in regards to the template you guys have now for the characters, he would like it to be re-vamped, so to speak. I've been learning some coding, and I've come up with this for your guys' new template. Skye really likes it, and I thought a more rounded look would look pretty nice on here. Plus, I got rid of the 'post-death residence' thing you guys had discussed on getting rid of a long while ago, I believe? Either way, I believe it looks pretty nice in comparison to the old, more squared look. I've kept the original colors, and kept the wording size. And if you guys have any more suggestions on what it should look like, I'd be happy to implement them into the template for you to see. <span style="">13:27 Thu Aug 2016

This looks beautiful Snow. I love it! All I'd say to change is rename "family" to "Kin"? Other than that it's perfect.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:07, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I'll put that in and let you know when it's ready to view! And thanks, Stealth! It means alot :D <span style="">22:09 Thu Aug 2016

It's ready to view! I thought we could just keep the |familyt and |familyl for the kin/family widget. <span style="">22:10 Thu Aug 2016

Looks good to me! Do you have a test page laying around so we can see what it looks like? There are a couple character pages that will break the current template (like Gray Wing, for example), and the main issue is how it never looks the same from browser to browser.

I think I can fix that with some simple coding for different browsers. Also, I'll make a page and copy Gray Wing's page to it to show you guys. <span style="">02:14 Fri Aug 2016

Hmm... here's what it came up with. I put the family section as how it should look, but I believe that, maybe, if we make the text smaller, it should fix it? If not, I think I can find a way to fix it for every browser. <span style="">02:20 Fri Aug 2016

I think I figured out why it won't work on Chrome. Wikipedia's style sheets don't support Chrome very well, so it's always going to look weird on pages. So there's no fix there; just probably have to wait for Wikia to fix it. <span style="">02:31 Fri Aug 2016

I like the template overall, but the rounded corners on the sub-headers, like "Affiliations" really bugs me. Idk but cause of that I'm just going to be weird and say I'm against this because of that. I think those shouldn't be rounded tbh

I can un-round them? <span style="">13:17 Fri Aug 2016

Maybe make a different template that shows them un-rounded, so we can have a look at them both and compare.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  21:21, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I've created a separate template for the un-rounded corners. Here we have the rounded corners, and here is the straight sub-headers. Let me know what you guys think! <span style="">21:32 Fri Aug 2016

I definitely like the straight subheaders one, and I'd be in support of changing it to that version :)

I actually like the rounded heading much better than the square one.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:03, August 26, 2016 (UTC)

I prefer the rounded headings myself; it's nice to see a change in the template. The only thing is, the rest of our templates will have to match that. We can't have one in the same style while the others are still the old one. This includes the templates for PB, PW, and PR, as well as the navigation templates... which I have no issues changing. I think a fresh look could do the wiki some good.

I'd have no problem fixing those templates up as well if and when this gets approved :) <span style="">00:10 Sat Aug 2016

Can we possibly get some more comments on this? Just three people doesn't seem enough to be considered community consensus. <span style="">17:04 Wed Aug 2016

Yeah, I think a new charcat template would be good :) --  18:12, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Can we have more comments, please?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:58, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Would this then be alright to say to go ahead and implement it into the templates, then? Or, should we bump this a bit more? <span style="">15:10, 9/14/2016

We'd need a vote as to whether to impliment it, and if we're using rounded edges or not, as using rounded edges means we need to alter all existing templates to match.

Ah, alright. So, when should we get the vote up? <span style="">16:55, 9/14/2016

Er...bump? <span style="">20:46, 9/18/2016

Anymore comments before the vote?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:09, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

here ya go 15:18, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Jumper and Hoot's Descriptions
Their descriptions don't really match their appearances in the graphic novels. Not really surprising since it's pretty hard to tell the difference between them.

I studied closely on A Clan in Need, and the two cats are exactly the same except that one of them has an underbite. Right now our pages say it's Jumper, but looking at page 83, we see them stand together side-by-side. The one on the left is addressed as Jumper, and we can see the one on the right is the one with the underbite.

I think their descriptions need much editing. Considering also neither of them has a white ear, I think we have false information here. I will go through the books and double-check if their appearances change at all (which I kinda expect). I also think we should add to their trivia how they and Barley look so similar. I can only tell the difference between Barley and them by their BloodClan collars.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:02, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Alright after a look-through of A Clan In Need and The Heart of a Warrior, this is what I got:

They first appear in Barley's dream where neither of them has an underbite. However, every time it's zoomed in close enough to the cats, the underbite is easily seen.

On page 83 of A Clan In Need as stated above, Hoot has an underbite since Jumper is seemingly distressed and the one talking, while Hoot just licks his paw.

On page 74 of Heart of a Warrior, Hoot whispers into Barley's ear but doesn't show an underbite. The picture is zoomed in enough but it may be missing because his head is a bit angled and facing to the side so it may have been too hard to show it.

So yeah, that's what I've gathered. Other appearances stay constant, so they always have a collar and always have the same black-and-white pattern exactly like Barley.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:20, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

I looked at that page, and it does not mention either cats' names. Also, on page 77 of The Heart of a Warrior, the cat with the underbite adresses the other one as Hoot, which means we can tell via process of elimination that the cat with the underbite is Jumper. I cannot find my copy of A Clan in Need to verify this, but from what I remember, it was never clear which cat was Snake (Hoot) and which was Ice (Jumper). However, I could be wrong with that last bit. 15:49, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

It did mention their names, only twice but it did mention their names where I stated above.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:00, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Anymore comments?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:09, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Current ShadowClan cats rank
so for those who've read TAS, you'll know Darktail and co are now in charge of ShadowClan, rather like SkyClan. the only difference here is the ShadowClan cats are with them, and from what I can tell they're still considered ShadowClan in name, but all the other Clans seem to consider their rank as rogues? or at least ivypool did. so do you think it'd be right to give all current adult/apprentice ShadowClan cats rogue rank or no? just feel this needs to be discussed. 18:14, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should wait with this. It's implied at the end that some of the ShadowClan cats that parted with Rowanstar will come back to him when they came to their senses. Also, they are still ShadowClan, they didn't leave the Clan, they just let some rogues take the lead. I know it's a bad example, but when Sol took over ShadowClan he was also their leader and Blackstar even gave his name away, so technically they were all rogues at this time too. In my opinion, we should still separate Darktails cats as rogues and the ShadowClan cats as clan cats until we see how the whole thing develops. SuSusann (talk) 18:22, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

implied? if it's rowanstar saying they'll return it's not necessarily true, and no they didn't leave the clan. the point is it is still technically shadowclan, but it's shadowclan gone rogue (which is pretty similar to sol but that's for another discussion, I would think) and there is this:

"She could hear two ShadowClan cats approaching."

these cats are confirmed to be needletail and rain, so they're still thought of as shadowclan here. 18:37, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

I know its not necessarily true, but we can't be sure untill we read it in the next book. Ah I didn't pay attention to that sentence, sorry! Then I would say they all stay ShadowClan, the Clan cats and the rouges that joined now. SuSusann (talk) 18:42, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Huh, never though about it this way. I always felt like they were a part of ShadowClan considering their affiliation, but that some were still warriors. ShadowClan has been under a few different similar-ish circumstances, too. I think that we should give them all rogue status, as they don't have a named deputy, and Darktail isn't really a leader as ordained by StarClan, and didn't show interest in following the warrior code. It does seem a bit extreme, but we could potentially change it back if something happens to contradict this in Shattered Sky later. Anyway, some cats like Spikefur are pretty much rogue at heart

I'm just getting stuff as I go along, in chapter 24 there's also this:

Twigpaw had been quiet since the ShadowClan rogues had cut ties with the other Clans.

make of it what you will. 21:11, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

If they're called rogues, then I think we should use that. Cats have been called rogues before and gotten images. They're not considered real ShadowClan cats by cats like Rowanstar or Tawnypelt, and giving them rogue statues would comply with canon and the information that's said in the story.

so rogue rank (and images) for the charcat, but still listed under shadowclan since they appear to still be using shadowclan as a name for now? or rogue and rogue? 20:26, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

For affiliation, would these cats get one of under "Darktail's Group", as well? I know some of the cats in "Slash's Group" had that in their affiliations, and this seems like a bit of a similar case.

I think the ones that originally left (needle, sleek, juniper, clover, berry, and bee, maybe a couple others I can't remember) in the first place should get it? 18:55, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

also for clarification is everyone here agreeing to:

1. shadowclan affiliation but with a rogue/darktail group rank and image 2. or rogue/darktail group affiliation and rogue rank and image? 20:55, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

I would like number 1. 21:00, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yep I'm for 1

Yes, I'm for option 1, too. However, I think the cats who left ShadowClan at first (Beenose, Needletail, Cloverfoot, etc.), not cats like Pinenose or Dawnpelt, should get rogue/Darktail's group in their past affiliations. 00:48, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

nudge nudge 01:21, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Harekit, Dapplekit (VS), Gorsekit (VS), Softkit
So here I want to question the validity of their existence.

A) [Kate first revealed] that Lizardtail and Lakeheart were parents of Wavepaw and Cypresspaw.

B) [Kate said] she changed the names of them (Dapple, Hare, Gorse, Soft), and suggests that it was a mistake that might've been made by the publishers when they made their allegiance list.

C) [Kate then agrees] when a fan says LakeXLizard = Cypress and Wave, and no other kits.

My thoughts are that maybe it was a type when Mistystar announced Lakeheart had four kits. So yeah, opinions?

If you read the conversation by C Kate just couldn't decide whick of the 4 first kits she replaced with Wave and Cypress °-° Well, I think you are right and the "four kits" thing Mistystar said is the misstake then. Still super strange thing... 20:40, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

Agreeing with you Spooky, from what I understand it seems like the first four kits were a mistake, and it should be just Wavepaw and Cypresspaw. Imo, the kits' pages should either be deleted, or redirect to Lakeheart's or someone's trivia so that it explains that there was a mistake about the kits. btw, you probably want to get rid of the extra bracket on each end of the screenshots. Otherwise it adds an extra '|' at the end of it. <span style="">21:53 Sun Sep 11

Residences?
So, now that we know that Su and Vicky are in fact working together, I have to ask if this character residences work as canon. Waterclaw135 (talk) 20:11, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

Going to add my two cents to this. I think so, since she said she came up with them together with Vicky and stated that she'd checked it all over with her, and said Vicky had confirmed them. But, since Vicky didn't comment on that exact post, there is room for doubt. My opinion is that they should count as we know Vicky's working with Su anyway, and even though the forum concerning Su hasn't closed yet, if Su said she confirmed these with Vicky to be canon then I'm down with that.

Vicky did confirm she was working with Su on the Missing Kits thing, and well this was post after that so I think it should count. Waterclaw135 (talk) 20:18, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

Su told me that she and Vicky came up with the residence listing, therefore I think it counts.

The post does clearly says they both worked on it, so I don't see a reason it shouldn't count. Waterclaw135 (talk) 20:30, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with this. — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 20:34, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

Su told me that she came up with them with Vicky. So I agree we should add them. <span style="">20:46, 9/18/2016

What's going to happen then? --Waterclaw135 (talk) 21:45, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

This discussion was only started a few hours ago, y'know. Probably will be discussed for a week at least (probably longer) and then be implemented then. It has to be discussed first, and we have to wait for more people to chip in their thoughts.

Just in case Waterclaw didn't see it there is a voting going on about if Su is considered as valide source or not here Forum:Vicky's_Facebook so maybe you can also look at that and vote. 08:30, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Tulipkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Song  heart  18:34, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

'Fireheart' seems a bit redundant in the FAI summary and also perhaps link greencough in that summary

Fixed. Song   heart  22:30, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 01:14, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Dawnflowers Kits
I want to ask why you listed four kits on Dawnflowers page. Please read trough my explenation why I ask this before you just put it away.

In the chapter we see one gray tom-kit and two black she-kits. We read that one of the black she-kits is Minnowkit (even if she is not black). The gray tom-kit and black she-kit are not mentioned by name.

I thought since it always sais Dawnflower has three kits and also the other black she-kit dies like Thumblekit, that it was pretty clearly that the kits are Pebblekit, Minnowkit and Tumblekit and no fourth kit.

But I understand your listing too. BUT! If you list the unknown black she-kit seperated you also have to list the unknown gray tom-kit seperated because he is also not mentioned by name. Otherwhise it wouldn't be consistant.

I hope this does not confuse anyone! It's just inconsistent and that was what bothered me. 10:58, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah sorry I'm confused XD. Maybe give page numbers to help explain?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:58, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

I've been trying to find a way to respond to this for ages now, and I can't quite get what you mean either. I'm sorry about that; I meant to answer this question, but wow, it's phrased in a way I can't... idk, quite get. I think I get what you're trying to say, but I'm not 100% sure. English is Hard so I totally get it. It's my native language and even I can't word sometimes.

Oh no! I'm sorry I wrote it in a way that is not understandable D: Okay again, we have that one black she-kit that is listed as 4th kit of Dawnflower in her article with the source (Twilight page 154). So I read the chapter in the book to get where this fourth kit came from, because to my knowledge, she only had Pebblekit, Minnowkit and Tumblekit.

As I wrote above there are three kittens of Dawnflower mentioned in that Chapter. Minnowkit by name, described as black she-kit,(Twilight page 154, 159) an "unknown gray tom-kit"(Twilight page 154, 158) and an "unknown black she-kit".(Twilight page 154, 160)

That "unknown black she-kit" is the kit you listed as her fourth kit, I think because it is not mentioned by name and you have no proof its Tumblekit. But if that is the case, why didn't you list the "unknown gray tom-kit" as fifth kit? There is also no proof that it's Pebblekit.

My problem was, that at one hand, you just assume the "unknown gray tom-kit" is Pebblekit, but at the other hand you list "unknown black she-kit" as extra kit, wich would be Tumblekit if you use the same logic as with the "unknown gray tom-kit".

I hope it's more understandable now D: 09:38, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

thistleheart
jw if this is enough to confirm her and thistlepaw as the same? (just about the 'until proven wrong' part) and cz pages n such would need to be moved or whatever. (ctrl f thistle to find it easy) 00:13, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think it works. <span style="">00:21, 10/02/2016

I'd agree that it counts^^

Yup, I think it's enough. Go for it! 00:38, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Basically she is saying yes unless she gets proof that says otherwise or something like that (which might never happen) so unless we get something that contradicts it, it's a yes. I'll merge the pages right now.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:02, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

So what's the point in asking if a couple people comment and then someone decides to merge the pages? =\ How about you wait until others have commented? Personally, I think the "until proven wrong" thing is something to consider, since we all know how they often contradict one another.

Okay, sorry! I just thought it was a pretty obvious cite???? We basically do the same thing as she just said "confirmation until proven otherwise". No idea why she pointed it out though. Maybe she's expecting another author to contradict it?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:23, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's very possible that might be the case, sand given that she did say until proven wrong, there might be more to it. Two or three or four people is not a proper discussion. That's unfair to people who might not agree; I don't, and I think we should hold off on merging them, due to Kate's comment.

I think we should take it in, since Vicky also sid she thinks they are the same cat, it's pretty unlikely that she suddenly change her mind. And IF it happens that Vicky suddenly sais "No, different cats", we could always change it back. 09:50, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think it should count. As said by LittleMew above, Vicky also said that she thinks they are the same cat, so it's not like it's only using one author's word either. <span style="">17:27 Sun Oct 2

Wavepaw ~ Silver Nomination
Idk, no one seems to be working on it and really, I can't find a nomination for it right now either. So, uh, comments? 19:03, October 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Maybe add a quote, and also the piece of dialogue with her and her sister that's on Cypresspaw's page
 * Link apprentices in the first paragraph
 * Fernpaw is a lil' bit redundant in the last sentence of the 1st paragraph
 * Honeypaw is a bit redundant in the second to last sentence of the article

UPDATED I personally applaud Spooky for being so quick in this nomination. I had already linked apprentices, and I hope my stupid fixes are good enough to pass. I'm working on the quote, since my new Thunder and Shadow copy will arrive from Amazon in about an hour or so. 19:22, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Gotcha^^ But you can take that from Cypresspaw's page if you like. Last thing for redundancy, I promise :P
 * Brindlepaw snorts and claims they would drown, and Wavepaw snorts in amusement as she states that RiverClan cats are born to swim.

UPDATED I actually added a different quote, with "RiverClan cats are born to swim". Except that this was out of memory from the book in my school library. So someone please fix this if it's wrong. And also, everything done! I still hate English. 19:32, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Storkkit ~ Silver Nomination
The title says all. 19:34, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

In technicality, the age should be less than one moon at death, since we use warriors' terminology, and that's the way it is on most pages like this^^

UPDATED Spooky you're unbelievable. 19:39, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Quailkit ~ Silver Nomination
19:34, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Same as Storkkit

UPDATED 19:39, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hillkit ~ Silver Nomination
First nomination! Didn't do anything to it, but it looks okay for a nomination Hollyspots (talk) 19:45, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Can you add to the trivia the fact they are the descendants of Windstar? You'll be able to get cites off Crowfeather's page. Same for below.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  21:08, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Updated Thanks!

Downkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Hollyspots (talk) 19:45, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Updated as per above :)

Dapplekit (VS ~ Silver Nomination
I am currently going overboard with these nominations. 00:58, October 3, 2016 (UTC)