Warriors Wiki talk:World

Prey
I wanted to say that the Prey section looks a bit strange. Just the parts with the book mentions. The format is different on every section. Like, on some, the book mentions are in italics. On some, they don't even have the book name, just a description of a scene in which that prey was mentioned. I think we need to organize it more. Have it something like this-

Book Mentions: Book Name

And then have the book name cited, linked, and in italics. What do you guys think?-- Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 05:51, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yes, a few days ago I was looking at this page and seeing how it was kind of a mess =/ After I'll finish my homework tonight I'll see if I can redo the whole format, but first I'll need a solid example of how I should do it? If you think it should be different... but if not I can just change it to the way the majority of the sections are. ☛ ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ ☚ 12:04, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

While Insane is doing her homework, I'll see if I can get to work on it. Wetstar Taylor Swift! 20:55, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Nightfall, and I also think we should have a little description as well. Something like when Littlecloud says he wouldn't mind eating a frog.– – G r  a y  r a  v e  n p  a w  – – Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 03:49, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, we could list significant mentions in the description, and leave less significant ones (such as someone eating it) in the list of mentions? Or, we could ignore all mentions that aren't significant since it would be very hard to find every single mention of each kind of prey. Although we could do it gradually. ☛ ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ ☚ 21:18, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need to add everytime someone eats or talks of or thinks of a piece of prey. Mouse for example would be pages long. Significant mentions only, if you ask me. Such as if there was an omen concerning prey (such as Goosefeather and the vole) or if a particular cat cathes something unexpected like an elder bringing home a huge rabbit (dunno if that actually happens) or Bluefur catching that first squirrel, or the tainted water episode from the dead prey etc. ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  14:11, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you guys.  ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ  Gimme a Valentine Mouse 22 17:10, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Totally agree. it would take forever to go through all he books and write down ALL the times prey was mentioned. (Sorry if that offended you Night! :P) -- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 01:36, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Do newts ever appear in the series? Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:25, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I. . . have no clue! I would think they would be prey for RiverClan. . . Møųş  ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  22:38, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Or ShadowClan. But I don't remember them appearing in any books. SoC, maybe, but that's probably it. Raven Randomness!  22:41, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Medicine
Should we add the times cats ate the medicine on the medicine article? (OMG sorry if that doesn't make any sense, it's kinda like what Inasne said about Prey) Icestorm Hi There! 14:56, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion,we should not.It's not importent enought to me.And IF we do,I think we only should add them if they are very importent parts,otherwise,the page would be cluttered with non-needed texts. ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ  Valentineღ 22 21:21, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should decide this kind of thing about all these types of pages while we're at it, such as prey, medicine, monster, Thunderpath, etc. Do we list every single time they are mentioned, to make the articles longer, or only list significant mentions since it might look cluttered (as FirePelt said)? I'm not really sure on this one, although the choice could be different for different articles, i think we should decide how much we're going to list on each one before we start going and editing, to avoid wasted work. ☛ ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ ☚ 21:24, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

The more significant ones in my opinion.– – G r  a y  r a  v e  n p  a w  – – Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 04:53, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

The ones that have been mentioned all lot? The Thunderpath is what my mind is thinking. Or ones that cats use often? Icestorm Hi There! 12:48, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Like in Sunset, when RiverClan injests antifreeze, or when Sorreltail was fed deathberries by Darkstripe. ♥Mouse♥ ♥Heart♥   23:39, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

That would be good, in my opinion. Really importent events should on ly be listed for medicine. Like I said before, if we listed everything, un-needed texts would be entered on the medicine page. (Exp: Riverclan injestiong antifreeze, Darkstripe trying to feed Sorreltail death berries, Yellowfang feeding Brokentail death berries) ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ    19:26, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Deputies
I was thinking about this and what if on the templetes on each cats page where it lists their education, (for leaders only) we list their deputies. I think that makes sense because they educate their deputies in a way and we don't really have another place to put them all in the article.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 21:51, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean?  Trout leap  22:01, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not explaining it well.

On the leaders pages, where they have the little charart boxes that list family, mentors, and other stuff. In the education section of that where it lists mentors and apprintices I'm suggesting that we add a deputy section. We can list all of the deputies the leader has had there.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 18:15, March 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps as a separate section...? I agree with you though Artimas. It is an important thing that should really be on the leader pages. ✐S  aN  dY  19:11, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a seperate section. That might be more work thugh and I think it fits pretty well in the education columm but I don't really think it matters much where it goes as long as its on there.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 00:12, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's already listed on each Clan's page in the leader table, but I agree that is isn't very prominent there. However, I'm not sure how well it would fit in with the Charart template, and it's worth pointing out that on all non-leader pages we'd end up with a "deputies:" list as well, and although it would say N/A it would still be weird. I think if we do it on the character pages we should list it in a different section. Maybe we could make a separate leader template that lists both their nine lives and deputies or something? (aside from the charcat, and it would be lower on the page) I know that would be a bit harder to make, but more clean I think. insaneular   Talk  02:10, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I get it. (: And, I agree with both Sandy and Artimas.  Trout leap  02:13, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Insane. ✐S  aN  dY  19:08, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Great!-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 21:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

If people like the idea of a template, I'll draft one up in a few minutes. insaneular   Talk  21:24, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

would you Insane? That's great, Thanks!-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 16:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, go here and scroll to the bottom to see my draft. I know it's a bit... odd looking, but we could keep the two tables separate for the leaders who we don't know their 9 lives, but we know at least one deputy. Is there anything you think I should change? (And just a note, if we do make this into a template, I might need your help, Lightning XD)  insaneular    Talk  17:48, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

It looks great Insane! We could put those 2 tables at the bottom of a leaders page and make a new section maybve..?-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 00:59, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I could also spiff them up a bit, maybe make them collapible? So they don't look as weird and uneven. insaneular   Talk  01:02, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think after that they would be great! Great job Insane, and thanks for making them.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 18:21, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. (Looks around with an evil look: Im BaCk!!) 火の星  06:12, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * salute* Done. Template:Leader, Template:Deputies, Template:Nine Lives Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:54, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Was interrupted. Will do tomorrow Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:56, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

They look great, Lightning, thanks for tweaking those little problems and making them into templates :) I'll help start adding them once you're done making the Deputies one. But a question, the code for it would be something like the following, correct?  insaneular    Talk  16:15, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I changed the code of the nine lives template a little bit. So here goes the code to be used, with Firestar as an example:

It gives:

Wow, that looks great! I think we should use it. =D <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 12:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really know about the "Lost" section. It complicates things. Is it really necessary? Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:07, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind. A few 's in the right place did it. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, the lost section seems like a good idea to me. :) <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:03, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be good for leaders we know a lot about such as Firestar and Bluestar.. but what about the others where we have no way of knowing all their lost lives? ✐S aN  dY  20:06, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

What if we made a seperate thing for the leader's who we don't know or we just put -loss of life unknown-   WQould that work?-- Bramblepath Brightshadow is mine! 20:16, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would work, butwe need to test it out first. Ice Spring is here! 22:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy: When don't know the givers and the gifts given, we won't put the Nine Lives template in the Leaders template. Let's say for Leopardstar, the code'll be:

which will give:

Ah, okay. =D This does look very good. Some of the rows of the table don't quite match up, and me being me, I don't know why or how to fix it... ✐Sa NdY  11:14, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

You put two breaks between Stonefur and Mistyfoot, but only one between when they were deputies, Sandy. -- Gοlδεnpαω Appare! 18:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Goldenpaw, I didn't make it. But thanks anyway. ✐Sa NdY  18:30, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

They look pretty good, but can we remove the borders from the tables within the nine lives and leader templates? They make it look uneven and messy imo...  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 18:35, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Forest & The Lake
Most World articles refer to The Forest and The Lake, but surprisingly there were no articles explaining what are these, so I started creating them. I have two questions: Kind regards, Helixtalk 19:11, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we use the maps from the books? (I guess not, although I saw map excerpts in several World articles). If not, are(/will be) there any free (e.g. user-drawn) maps?
 * Should I split the Locations category to Forest / Lake / Other Locations, or rather leave as they are?

I've seen colored versions of the Book-Maps, so I'm guessing so. As for Locations, I guess it would depend on how many articles are in that category. :) <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 02:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should use online pics for the map in the Warriors books, seeing as it makes it much eaiser instead of creating a whole new one. As for locations, I think we should leave them as they are. Ice Spring is here! 22:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but I was thinking about the stuff being copyrighted. Anyway, it's OK to use it as long as they don't notice it. ;) Helixtalk 06:03, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Back...
Hey, I'm back from one day of inactiveness on WWiki. May I remain my spot as deputy, or...? Ice Spring is here! 21:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

We'll have to wait until Lightning gets on. I'd ike to keep it, but it is up to him and I will respect any decisions he makes. Hedgehogflight Hedgehogs are flying! 22:12, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I respect his decisions too. Ice Spring is here! 22:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Ice, when I saw your userpage, you nearly gave me heart attack. You said you were leaving, so I decided to appoint Maplefern as deputy. But I've opened the senior warrior position, so you are a senior warrior now, and have the same powers as before. Adding people for one. :) Taking pages up to vote, and closing votes, and so on. Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  03:26, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

All apart of a April Fool's joke. :D and that's cool, Lightning. Ice Spring is here! 16:43, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Lists
A large part of some articles are taken up by lists, sometimes only loosely related to it. For example, Nursery (births), Deputy (deputies), StarClan (deaths and residents). I suggest to split these to separate pages, for instance: List of Births, List of Deaths etc. Helixtalk 07:09, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think anything's loosely related there. A list of births belongs in the Nursery, and this was decided here. A list of deputies would not belong anywhere but on the deputies page, and the list of deaths and residents belongs only on the StarClan page, in my opinion. Though I am the leader of the project, I also suggest asking Bramble about this, as this is related to the format of the whole Wiki - as there are no separate pages for Lists, barring the Categories. I created a List of Books, and Eu later deleted it because the content was already covered by Category:Books. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  07:19, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

By this reasoning, we should also list all ThunderClan cats on the ThunderClan page, all warriors on the Warrior page, all cat names on the Cat Names page... :s About the List of Books, I don't see anything wrong with it, if it provides information in a comprehensive style, and the advantage of a list over a Category is that we can keep the formatting and references, and add any extra info that is needed. You should request an undeletion. Helixtalk 07:35, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think the difference between listing the ThunderClan cats on the ThunderClan page, and the births on the nursery page (for example) is that we list the births by book and to which parents where as all thunderclan cats have their book appearances on their pages in the form of categories. I don't see why we would want to split the deputies from the deputy page... it makes no sense to have two short articles where one longer one would be perfectly adequate. As for the list of books... well I'm not sure it is needed (not to mention it would come under PB) because we have category:books which essentially is a list of books. Of course, this is just my opinion and I know I haven't explained it well; it's a hard one for me to explain from where I stand as I'm not quite sure why - it just makes logical sense in my mind. Anyway, it's not up to me so... ✐Sa NdY  11:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need a list of books personally, considering the Wiki's home page, but that's just me. And I agree with Lightning's above comment. Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  18:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the advantage of the list of books is that we can put them in chronological order (however, now it would be redundant, as we have the Events Timeline). Helixtalk 05:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Request semi-protection of Mates
I suggest the Mates article to be semi-protected. Reason: repetitive and unnecessary changes by unregistered users (see History). Thanks, Helixtalk 05:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

That might be best; I can imagine the kind of things IPs would want to put on that article. I know there's a way to block pages, but only admins can do it. Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 05:42, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'll protect it, but given what you've said in the above section, shouldn't we remove the list of mates anyway? As for the rest of the content of that page, I think it could be merged into Queen... the mates are already listed on Nursery too. If necessary we could have a list of mates on the page that haven't had kits, as they wouldn't be listed in the nursery tables. But altogether, I don't see the point of having a page that gives information available elsewhere and causes edit wars.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 13:25, April 3, 2010 (UTC)