Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Prey-Hunter Blanks - For approval
(M) - Alright! I've drawn cats for awhile now, so I thought I'd put it to good use!


 * Double lineart? Cheak.


 * About the right size? Cheak.

All it needs is a transparent bckground. Could somebody do that for me please? I know how to do it, but I've had some troubles and I don't want to risk anything! Thanks! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)



OMG, ur so good! =] This are real good. Lets see what everyone else says- but wait, some pplz made leaders with the warrior blanks... Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 20:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done the transparency for you and had no problems with pixlr... don't know what that was about. As for the images. I like the position you've chosen and overall they are very good. There are a few things though. Firstly their backs are quite bumpy... Secondly, their heads are quite small and could be a bit bigger. I also think the fur on the belly of the longhaired looks strange and needs to be a bit... neater (that sounds so stupid). We also nede to think about how easy they'll be to colour. Sandy Talk! 20:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanies! I think the people who made leaders with warrior blanks understood that leader blanks would be made one day. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean that they coloured Bluestar in a warrior blank for example. If so then the reason for that is that we are eventually hoping to get images of all ranks every cat has ever upheld. They will all be added to a character's page together. Sandy Talk! 20:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'll fix these some more tomorrow... but for now, the fur and backs have been fixed on the male and female longhaired. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There is gray on the picture? Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 01:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the transparent background Mistfur Sandy Talk! 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

'''(M) - Note: I will be gone for the next week or so. Please do not delete these images. I am planning to work on them as soon as I am done with camp. Thank you.''' Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I got rid of the grey and decreased the pointyness of the chin, but it's not showing up for me. I'm going to work on these some more tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the grey on the images (It wasn't the transparent background that Mistfur was talking about), decreased the pointedness of the chin, and fixed the backs on the other balnks. Is there a trick to increasing the size of the head? Thankies! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking... I don't know how bad you'd think this idea but I really like these and especially as prey-hunter blanks because it looks like they're leaping on prey as the mountain cats leap... dunno. Just a thought.  Sandy Talk! 17:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I love that idea Sandy! Should I put some kind of prey underneath their paws or just leave it? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) I edited the images slightly, but I can't upload do to my computer freezing, so I'll upload them later. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm worried how easy will the prey-hunters color, I think you should use an example like what Bramble did with the queen blanks, so when we are going to approve the prey-hunters we can approve the example.--Yai-Girl 02:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl


 * I got bored and decided to do an example for you. I didn't have any cat in mind when I did it but I guess it could be Brook.



I really like the shorthaired and they're not actually that hard to use at all but the long-haired's fur is still bothering me. It's kind of... spikey... Also, the hind legs on them all need to be a little longer I think and on the longhaired there is a strange indent on the front leg.  Sandy Talk! 12:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Now that I can upload again (I have no clue what that was about) I fixed some pixels and the indent on the paw. I'm going to work on the longhairs and fix the legs.

Also, thank you for coloring that image! It looks nice. :3 Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Fixed the fur on the longhaired. I didn't fix the haunch because it looked really strange when I did.

The main thing that's bothering me is that these blanks seem smaller than the other blanks, yet when I try to increase the sixe it blurs it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I know... I don't know what to say as they blurred for me too.. there must be a way though  Sandy Talk! 19:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, they look small, so make the head bigger and scale the blank. (You can do that in paint or photoshop, whatever program you choose. --Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The head is kind of egg shaped, it needs a stop. Also, could you make them a little bigger?-- Darkhallows Lair 17:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - My computer's being worked on (I'm using my parent's laptop), so I can't work on these for the next 2 to 3 days. Please do not delete these. I'll work on them as soon as the computer's fixed. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow, the computer was fixed way sooner than I thought... Well, I increased the size of the long female blanks. I really don't know if they're any good, so let me know if this looks okay, and then I'll make the other ones this size. :) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Reedshine- For Approval
I tried, and I'm pretty sure I got her fur color right on. Yay for Reedshine! <3 - Sandiwolf

It looks very, well, I can't really say. Oh, It looks like you went nuts with the sharpen tool.Minnowclaw 16:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I love the colour but Minnow is right; more blur tool neeeded all over! Alao, the ear pink needs to be, well, pink (but not too bright and make sure it's blended) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, she needs a puil and highlight in her eye. Take a look at the way some other approved warriors' eyes have been done for guidance. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I blended the shading more, and added a much needed highlight and shade on the shoulder. I made the ear pink more distinct and added the pupil and highlight to the eye. Anything else?--Sandiwolf 19:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It actually looked like you painted it! And did you use MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I use MS Paint to make blanks (Which I won't be doing anymore). I use Gimp to color, because it's a lot more efficient for shading. --Sandiwolf 19:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Very vacker (I'm sorry, I have Swedish class and must practice; means beautiful). But that highlight that stretches out into the torso from the chest needs to be blended or taken out. -- Bramble My Realm 23:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and blended ;D --Sandiwolf 13:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The ear looks darker around the edges. Maybe you could make it one color, then blend. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but, it still looks to sharp, and un-lifelike. Needs a lot more blending.Minnowclaw 15:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

It looks like it out-lined in a lighter color, almost highlighted, and the shading is hard to see. The pelt looks like a mix of different colors with the shading and highlighting instead of natural. Try putting the shading on first and then the highlights, instead of the lighter color on the edge. ;]--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I'll be sure to take them in mind and fix the issues. --Sandiwolf 15:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Okay, how is it now? --Sandiwolf 15:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Better. You need to put some shading on the curve of the hindleg and the chest. Also there is some smudgy greyness on the muzzle... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. --Sandiwolf 18:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

She's purty... @.@ -- MU MB LE 785  16:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I really like this, Sandiwolf. But the eye bugs me... it looks almost like an extremely lime green. Can you make it a touch more dark? And also, make the whole eye green, then make the top middle pixel a black pupil, then beside it add a white highlight. If that makes sense. -- Bramble My Realm 17:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it, I think. xD --Sandiwolf 22:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

To-be Blanks- For Approval


These were going to be for Deputy, but I saw that Deputy blanks were already made, and New Warrior Blanks were Desired. How about these ones? Male and Female Shorthairs and Longhairs. (Wow, I'm just spitting out artwork lately o3o. I have too much time on my hands) -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;green; background:black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:lightgreen;"> Sandiwolf

They're good, but to small, make them a little bit bigger. Also, I think the nose might be too long, make it the littlest bit shorter.Minnowclaw 16:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Oh afterthought, the lines on the tail of the long hair looks like they've been cut. Also, It was just thought that we needed more girlish cats for the warriors, these are way different and we would have to redo all of the other blanks when we could just do a little fix. Maybe you can work on that? (Don't get me wrong, these are great.)Minnowclaw 17:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I'm glad you like them, and as a note: MS Paint + Bigger = pixelated fail. Dx. But anywho, under Desirable Blanks, it stated specifically this:

DESIRABLE BASES * Warrior o More feminine looking Female Longhair Base o More masculine looking Male Longhair Base So I assumed that a new female and male blank were needed. D= --Sandiwolf 19:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but we have many warrior pictures already approved. It would take a very long time to redo them with the new blanks unless they had been a quick fix. Put your work to the test. These bases are really great and can be used in other parts maybe. Also, I'm only a warrior in the project. So if a senior warrior or Bramble thinks we can use these, well, I don't have the power to say anything against it.Minnowclaw 20:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

They look a little to... cute to be warriors. Maybe Tribe To-be's? They look young. But I really love them and they should be used as something.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 21:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we use them as apprentice blanks? Please don't ban me for saying this, as I'm not bashing the apprentice blanks but just criticizing them, but I never really liked them that much. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but they look like they needed more work before they were approved. But I really really really like these! I definitely want to use them as something! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The heads look cartoony, and I think we don't need a completely new base, just modify the old one. Because then, what about the other accepted cats made with the old ones? Plus, they look like wolves. I think tribe-to-be's would be the best use for these. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't show up sooner, i had marching band camp. Welcome to PCA, Sandiwolf. :) These look great, though I agree with Mallinois and Darkhallows they'd be better used as tribe to-be's. About 3/4's of our approved images are warriors, and it would take too long to redo all of them. Now, on the images, the she-cats need whiskers (in kittykat world, the females have whiskers :) And the lineart needs to be thickened to go with our other blanks. Also, the hind legs on all of them is bent at a right angle, make it a bit more natural. That's about it for now. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I reckon they could be something from the Tribe. Cave Guard, Prey Hunter, or To-Be. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we shouldn't really change the warrior blanks as we'll have to start the whole project basically from scratch... I like these for to-bes though! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Again the lineart needs to be thicker in keeping with all the current blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the legs and thickened the lineart. --Sandiwolf 13:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Are they prey-hunter to-bes or cave guard to-bes? Also, you need to thicken the line art on the short hairs and all around to blank. Minnowclaw 01:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

To me I think they should be prey-hunter to-bes becuse that they look swifter. (The long-haired she-cat still has no wiskers.)--Yai-Girl 21:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm with Yai-girl. These should be To-Be Preyhunters. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Prey Hunter To-bes sound fine to me. When I can, I'll thicken the missed areas of the lineart and add those whiskers!(I keep forgetting!) --Sandiwolf 15:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make sure all the muzzels are the same.Minnowclaw 16:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The long-haired she-cat still doesn't have wiskers.--Yai-Girl 03:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but what are those weird dots on the long haired male and females necks? It's more noticeable on the female then on the male. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It's fur along the neck(or on the side of the face). Also, pardon how long it's taking me to edit these. Getting a consistent look on ALL four of them is a time taxing feat. I keep messing it up, and I'm starting to lose patience for these x3. If anyone wants to help out, ti would be appreciated. --Sandiwolf 18:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

They look awesome. -- MU MB LE 785  16:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks- For Approval
I swear this is the last thing I'll do today, so I don't flood the list. anyways, I saw that Kittypet Blanks were being CONSIDERED. So if they are ever needed, I made these. --Sandiwolf 15:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The bodies are too big for the head, make the head bigger or the body smaller. Also, the bodies look to muscular when kittypets are supposed to be softer. The tails on the long hairs' still look like they are cut. Also, on the long hairs, the collars look like they have been cut, is that fur?Minnowclaw 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The ears are a very strange shape - perhaps make them thinner and slightly more pointed. Also, the longhaired tails look a bit like candyfloss - get rid of some of the small lines. Their backs are very flat and there is some discrepancy between the two longhaired versions - either make the back fluffy or not. Also, the lineart needs to be thicker to fit in with the existing blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Minnow: I made the bodies a tad smaller. They're also meant to look fat, not muscular. Furthermore, yes, that is in fact fur. Sandy: I'm not used to doing thickly outlined drawings, but I did my best to edit them. I added fur to the longhair male's back, and fixed the longhair tails. The ears? I made them thinner and taller.--Sandiwolf 19:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I just looked on the reservations page and Dawnfeather has already reserved Kittypet blanks... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Awhhh. T.T

I should really be more observant. When I'm not it results in my Depression. There goes another day of wasted work. I'll find something eventually, but for now, would you like me to take these down?--Sandiwolf 19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you using MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

For these, yes. My good old MS Paint and a mouse. --Sandiwolf 19:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be wasted. You can talk to Dawnfeather and if she still wants to do them, get rid of the collar and they can be loners or rouges.Minnowclaw 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I don't mind. Your's are much better, and I was going to take down that thing tonight unless I could get some good progress from them today. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 08:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Cave-guards. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Same thing with the hind legs as I said on your other pics. Make the transition more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 23:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine are not as good as these. I have had a lot of trouble with mine as I started them in paint... Anyways. these are more in our style and look good. Kittypets, or CaveGuards, Rogues, Loners. I think they would work whatever. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the back leg, and thank you Dawnfeather.--Sandiwolf 13:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should fiddle around with the chin a bit to make it a bit rounder and lower, so it will be more in the style of the other blanks. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Can do. I'll try and get to it this afternoon, but I have a birthday party to go to today, so the schedule's tight. --Sandiwolf 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I rounded out the chin the best I could. Is that all? --Sandiwolf 18:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I love them, and maybe it's just me, but I image kittypets to be a little less masculine... -- MU MB LE 785  17:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They're fat. =U --Sandiwolf 22:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Brackenfur for approval
Any comments? Criticism is appreciated, as long as it is constructive criticism. Sparrowsong 03:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The line between the shading on the outside is quite harsh. Also, the middle seems to get gradually darker. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The lineart around the ear, back and hindquarters is blurred slightly. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make him a little bit lighter since he is a golden brown. Also, add tabby markings. Minnowclaw 12:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Brackenfur's a tabby, so he needs markings, and there's blurred lineart, plus the hightlights and shading needs to be blurred more. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 15:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, as Mallinois said, you need tabby markings and you need it to be blurred more. For examples on tabby markings, you can look at either millie, squirrelflight, or hawkfrost, and what you can do to fix the outline is, on paint, you can either do this:
 * 1) open and then save the blank you need to your computer
 * 2) Open the image on paint
 * 3) go to edit
 * 4) click paste from
 * 5) open the blank
 * 6) make it so that the white is transparent
 * 7) position the blank on the image and save it

or this:
 * 1) go to the blank page
 * 2) press ctrl Print Screen on your keyboard
 * 3) go to paint
 * 4) open the image of your cat
 * 5) go to edit
 * 6) click paste
 * 7) make the white transparent
 * 8) position the screenshot so that the blank overlaps the outline to the image
 * 9) crop it so that only the cat shows
 * 10) save it

I thought I knew a third way, but I fogot it while writing the other two. xP Hope that helped. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  16:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

You had this up when you asked to join, Sparrowsong. It's been a week since you edited it. Please work on it by 24 hours from now or it will have to be declined. -- Bramble My Realm 21:01, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Redtail - For Approval
I made Redtail as a warrior. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if I'm accurate, but aren't tortoiseshells like a brown color not gingery all the way and black? Well the color is fine, but I think the ginger tail shouldn't be so dark like the rest of him since it makes him stand out more as having a ginger colored tail. Make it lighter.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well can you might add just a little bit of white. And it said in Into the wild that he had a "distinctive" ginger tail. What the hecks distinctive mean? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  00:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't entirely sure what you meant, Shimmer, so I made a second on ewith a lighter tail. Sandwich, distinctive means it stood out, or was special, or something like that. Or it was just definitely ginger. I made him a slightly darker ginger than I would normally use as to make him more 'Red', and masculine. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

In Into the Wild, they say Redtail's tail is as red as fox fur User:AutumnSky

Foxes aren't bright red. They are reddy brown, the colour I've tried to achieve here. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 03:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The deputy blanks are released so I think you should change him to a deputy.--Yai-Girl 14:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I suggest looking up foxes to see their fur color User:AutumnSky

Here's a picture of a tortoiseshell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Long-haired_tortoiseshell_DSCF0193.JPG]<<Here, AutumnSky. It's not exactly like a foxes, but more darker. The fur color looks fine,I think, but I suggest making the tail a bit brighter so it stands out. Try going over it with the saturate tool one or two times.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest making his body have more brown and/or ginger patches to make the red tail stand out more, as distinctive means special, or unique to that cat. -- Bramble My Realm 03:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused... You're all contradiction each other. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 07:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we are. Just do what Warrior said, saturate the tail a bit more, and add in a few more colors to his basic pelt so the tail could be classified as distinctive. At least that's all I got from the discussion up there... -- Bramble My Realm 16:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I added more things to it, and it looks a bit more tortie. I also saturated the tail, but I had to be careful to not make it too bright. Is this better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like this version better. It makes his tail stand out more and make him look more tortoiseshell. -- Bramble My Realm 16:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd still add some white to the other patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * M&S, some tortoiseshells don't have white patches. I think this image would look better without them.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I probably should have checked his description first; I thought he was a tortie and white (AKA Calico). So cross out my last post. Looks great! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:19, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I never pictured Redtail as having white, to be honest. He looks good as he is no, I think. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 21:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Took out the second image; as we're approving the first one. -- Bramble My Realm 21:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Patchfoot - For Approval


I've been having a heck of a time getting his patches smudged and blurred evenly. It's the one on the hind leg that seems to hate me. If it needs any more work, let me know. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 18:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Played out the head, and fidgeted with the hind leg patch more. I give up. If that patch is that horrible, I'll let someone else fix it. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you play out the black patch on his head along the muzzle? It looks too circlish at the moment. But I'm glad he's back up, cause he's really good! -- Bramble My Realm 18:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Yay, a Skyclan cat! I agree with Bramble on this one, but other than that I really like this. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

♥ Bramble Okay, will do. Thanks! ♥ Mosswisker WOOT! SkyClan doesn't get enough love. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding me, Goldie. I meant to play the black out along the snout, so like there is black on the snout connecting with the larger patch on his head. If that makes sense, I did my best to explain it. -- Bramble My Realm 17:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - What I think Bramble's trying to say is take the black patch and extend it into a black tendril down to the end of the top on the snout. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

♥ Bramble and Mosswisker Is this what you meant? It looks kind of funny to me. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 19:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant. I actually think it looks pretty good. You don't like it that way? -- Bramble My Realm 21:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I love it! Comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Those patches on the shoulder look un-blurred again --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC) The patch on the shoulder looks un-blu

Mallowpaw for Approval
Yes! I can get on now! O.K. I made Mallowpaw of WindClan this time and I would love some pointers on the shading, eyes and markings. Tortiekitty 23:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Edited it so it's not on a thumbnail. This is pretty good for a first time, Tortiekitty. The tabby stripes need to look more like stripes and be a bit more distinct, because these look like little dark wisps of color. Look at some of the other approved tabbies for reference. He also needs to be slightly lighter, as he looks sort of reddish brown. Shrink the ear pink a little so it's not overlapping the ear, and restore the tail to it's original length (I know why you did it, it said he had a short tail on his article and big blue eyes. I've looked, there's nothing about that in the books. It was an edit from an unregistered user that seems to have nothing better to do than add false details into descriptions. I've found almost 20 more like it.) Anyways, great job on Mallowpaw! -- Bramble My Realm 00:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Great job! Just fix what Bramble said to fix and it would like really nice. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  01:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You also nede to blend in the highlights as they're very stand-out-ish <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Blossomkit (TC)- For approval
Worst. Image. Ever. Meh, I did the other one so... Sorry I was gone for a few days.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not the worst image ever. :) Make the ginger patches a bit more spread out, and since she's tortie maybe add in some ginger specks on the black to make it look more broken up, and not like she's just black with white and ginger patches. She's actually really good right now. -- Bramble My Realm 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like it! Try making the ginger patches darker though. They look golden. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Played around with the ginger.<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looked better before... Also, the ginger needs to be redder as it's kinda golden now (as M&S mentioned) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The ginger's still golden...also, there are jagged lines through the ginger patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The patches look more yellow than ginger. Silver tree  ♥  17:39, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Any better now?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much, although those ginger patches still have those lines through them... Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginger on torties has stripes ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually really like it now! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, sorry. I've never actually seen a torishell up close, to be honest. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the best torties I've ever seen. :) And you said it was the worst image ever, DH. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is wonderful, but the ginger looks golden,a dn could be more orange-coloured. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

... I think it's be to dark if I changed it... any other opinions on it? --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I like it as it is but you could try it with a more orange colour and put them side by side to see... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fallowkit - For Approval


Don't laugh! I've never done a kit before. At first I shaded it with the light coming from the camera (Exhibit B) But I thought it looked kind of...blah...so I changed the light so it came from the left (Exhibit A). Personally, I like Exhibit A better, but I wasn't sure. Which one do you like more? Also on Exhibit A I'd like to add more highlight, but I wasn't sure where to put them. Help? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Even on kits you're amazing! I think exhibit A looks better lighting wise. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually personally think exhibit B looks better, what does everyone else think? Maybe though, you could move the pupil to the middle of the eye, so it doesn't look like they're staring slantedly. -- Bramble My Realm 23:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I also like Exhibit B best (although they're both really nice). It looks more open and bright. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with you Sandy. Personally, i think that B looks closed and cramped while A looks open and really nice. My only suggestion would to be to make the shading on the shoulder more blended out. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm, looks like we're divided, Goldie. In this case I suppose we go with the one the artist, which is you, feels is better. Then we'll go from there. -- Bramble My Realm 15:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I like A better, just for the record. Very nice image Goldencloud.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... exhibit B is more in the style of the approved kits we already ahve whilst A looks like he's half in shadow - hiding under a rock or something... If you're determined to use A then I suggest softening the shading line a little so it doesn't look this way. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Poppyfrost - for approval


Here's my first Tortoiseshell. I know it needs major improvements but I want your guys' opinion. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  21:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That's so cool Sandwich! I think she looks pretty good, I just think that she needs some color on her face, if you know what I mean. I also need some help creating a charcat, everytime I try, it won't do the right color! It ends up black or white or gray. Please tell me what painting sites are used by the charcat project warriors. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

She's pretty nice, and there's certainly plenty of shading that I can see. I would suggest splitting that big black patch that comes down from her ear with orange, because that looks better in my mind. We'll see what it looks like after that. -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that jumps out at me is that tortoiseshells have more black on them than any other color most of the time. Your picture looks like it has more white on it than anything. Try making the head black, and we'll see how that looks. Looks great! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

MAde her more black. Sand wich  989  00:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add chin shading, also there is a gray line under her. Nice job though ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Er...Poppyfrost is a tortoiseshell... You made her a tortoisehsell-and white,becuase the base color is white. Try to put more black...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought Poppyfrost was tortie and white Warrior... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the gray line, added chin shading and even a little more black. And in Twilight she was described as a tiny copy of Sorreltail adn Sorreltail is a tortie and white. Sand wich  989  18:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, she is... Strike my post, then. But the ginger looks a bit....bright.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything else?(Sorry I'm really impatient) Sand wich  989  14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The ginger patch on the head looks a bit bright. Maybe try darkening it a shade. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened it. Sand wich  989  18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd get rid of that white/grey strip under the tail. It looks unatural. Other than that, this looks great. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know what you meant by that but I fixed the tail. Sand wich  989  20:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Look at the tail. That white on there looks unatural; I'd take it off and simply continue the ginger and black. Sorry for not being clear the first time. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The black is too black; it blends right in with the lineart. Try making it like a light black color, like with a Breezepelt or Blackclaw color. -- Bramble My Realm 21:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Cross out what I said about the tail. Sorreltail has it too, so... I'd just do what Bramble said. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Millie (Queen)- For approval


Do you like her? I colored her on Paint. Point out any mistakes! <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

This is a pretty good start, Hawkey (except that my queen blanks really weren't approved yet). What I can spot off the top of my head are that the tabby marks overlap the lineart, and that they are very sharp and jagged, and maybe make a few Y-shaped tabby marks as well to use variety. Her eyes are yellow, I think, and they need a more distinct pupil and a highlight to make it look alive. The ear pink also needs to be moved more to the middle of the ear. Last, the image looks slightly blurred and it needs shading. Use pixlr.com (I think) or download GIMP (I believe it's free) to add shading. I would also suggest changing the file format to .png, because .jpg makes its overall image poor. -- Bramble My Realm 23:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, I saw a few tabby markings whent outside the lines, but I don't blame you when I tried to do Littlecloud on Pixlr I when't outside the lines too.--Yai-Girl 03:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Okay, I will work on shading and stripes. The eyes are blue (F.Y.I.) It just didn't turn out blue. Well I am going to make Jayfeather! WOOO! <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 13:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Does she look better? I fixed the stripes and worked on eye color. =) <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 23:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

She lookd kind of... scratchy and blotchy (almost pixelated). Also, there is blue smudges around the eye and the stripes need to be darker (as does the background grey). Also, there is no shading that I can see so you need to add shading. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

man..... nothing I do is right on here. I just want...to make the PCA happy. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 13:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, it's nothing personal. You're new to the project and it takes some time to get used to (you should have seen my first images). It's the job of the warriors and senior warriors to give comments on art and constructive critisism. It's just to improve the art so that it an be approved until it is at the highest possible standard for the wiki. :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawk, you should have seen my first Spiderleg -shudders-. Don't worry, you'll improve.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Did you save her as JPEG? I can tell. You need to save her as png. It will make it so that all of the pixely things don't happen around the edges. Other than that, she looks good! -- MU MB LE 785  16:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Oakfur, For Approval


First attempt. I did him because he's Tawnypelts mentor. Any comments on howw to make it better? Silver tree  ♥  12:43, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Add belly shading. Sand wich  989  18:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add a few darker stripes, that would make the charcat more interesting. And yes, a little more shading <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 18:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

No, don't add stripes. He's not a tabby, he's just a brown tom. And yes, I'm with Sandwich, add some more belly shading and on the chest area. He looks very good. -- Bramble My Realm 19:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Also the ear iskind of fluro - choose a slightly less bright shade. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated- I made the ear pink darker, and I added belly shading. Anything else? Oh yeah:

'''Cannot be on for the next week since I have to go out of state. I will be no where near a comuter for the entire week, but starting next Thursday, maybe the Wednesday, I'll work on Oakfur again. I'll work on him again tonight if there's any other improvements you think would be good. Please do not take him down. Silver  tree'''  ♥  17:23, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Extend the back shading down towards his bum and the chest shading towards his forepaws. Then add a little shading on his head and push the belly shading in a bit so it's following the line of the lineart. Blend it all a little and I think this'll look really good :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkstripe- For approval


I am getting better at shading! :) Tell me what you think! Hawkfire My Den 14:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Try using Pixlr or download GIMP or Photoshop. But if you cant download go to pixlr (a website) and blend the shading and tabby markings. Sand wich  989  15:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, I really suggest you start one image and work on it until it's approved. You've now got Millie, Talltail and Darkstripe. Firstly, that's more than any user is allowed at once (see green message above) and secondly, none of them are anywhere near to approval. You need to take on the comments and work on the images to improve them, not just add new ones every five minutes. For this image I suggest you do as Sandwich said. Also, the eye is red?? It needs to be the colour shown on his page (or if none is mentioned then make it generic, ie. amber). Your shading needs blending in and then work on making teh tabby markings less square and more realistic. We have some great tabby marking styles used on some approved tabbies; try imitating one of them. I know that the traditional 'jagged y' markings are good (see Brambleclaw and Dustpelt) or I personally use some markings which are very esay to do (see Tornear and Thornclaw). I look forwrad to seeing one of your images approved in the near future, and even more, I look forward to seeing them improve as you work on them. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Blend TREMENDOUSLY. And the eye does look red. Make it orange, yellow, amber, or what his character page says. For blending, do what sandwich said. To go to pixlr, the web address is http://www.pixlr.com/. Use the blur tool, or the smudge tool and blend him! -- MU MB LE 785  16:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Looking for Opinions...
I was thinking earlier about the blanks we have already and the blanks we still need. I have a few things that I'm not sure about and I think we need to make a decision on it so these blanks can be made:


 * 1) Do we need seperate prey-hunter-to-be blanks and cave-guard-to-be blanks? As far as I can see there are only four or five to-bes actually mentioned by name. About half of these are each. That means that one blank would potentially be used a maximum of three times. It would make more sense to have one blank for all to-bes regardless of what they hope to grow up to be. (Things can change anyway and they may not end up as a prey-hunter even if they're training to be one etc)
 * 2) Would Scourge, Bone and the other BloodClan cats be considered rogues? loners? Clan cats? Personally I think rogues as they don't obey Clan rules. (In the Sasha manga the rogue, Pine tells Sasha that 'rogue' is the Clan cat name for cats that don't obey the Warrior Code...)
 * 3) Are Daisy, Smoky and Floss kittypets or loners? (obviously Daisy becomes a queen, but what are they to start with?) Personally I think kittypets as they take twoleg food, but I was wondering.
 * 4) Should all elders use the same blanks regardless of being Clan, rogue, loner, kittypet, ancient or tribe? I think they should as there aren't that many elders at all and all elderly cats have the same role essentially regardless of where they live. They are respected and cared for. If all kits are kits then all elders are elders... Opinions?
 * 5) Are we going to have Sharpclaw and Sharpclaw-in-training blanks for the ancients? or just use the warrior and apprentice blanks?
 * 6) Are we going to have seperate queen blanks for the ancients or use the same ones?
 * 7) How about kit-mothers? Do they (all three of them lol) need a seperate blank?

I know this is a lot to take in, but I'm trying to get some things straight in my own mind... lol Sorry. Some opinions would be welcomed.<span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy, here we go. lol If people want me to elaborate on a certain opinion, just ask.


 * 1) I agree that we should have the to-bes just have one blank, regardless of what their rank is going to be when they complete their training.
 * 2) They'd be considered rogues, I believe. They don't live by the warrior code, and they bother other cats.
 * 3) I would think they'd be loners, since they live outside in the barn and sometimes catch mice when they're not taking Twoleg food. Barley and Ravenpaw have food set out for them, too, I think they just don't eat it.
 * 4) The elders should be elders. It'd be a waste of time making Tribe elders, and kittypet elders, because yeah, they're basically all the same thing.
 * 5) I think we should have separate blanks for them, mainly because the lived so long ago and did things differently, and they also had really different names and such.
 * 6) Same. Same role, same name. Again, waste of time to do that.
 * 7) I don't know. We'll have to hear other opinions on that.

Alright, what does everyone else think? -- Bramble My Realm 19:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm new, but I guess I'll voice my opinions. 3. I don't know. 5. I can't really say, I'm not far enough in the series. 7. No. 1,2,4,and 6, I agree with Bramble. Boltstar 20:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, no one else really seems to have a problem with any of these, Sandy. Is there anything else you want to elaborate on? -- Bramble My Realm 21:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Leader Blanks-for approval
Melonlemon's leader blanks. Please, can someone change them to a .gif for me, they show up black for me, and they aren't transparent. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

...This is so beautiful! Sand wich  989  22:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I know, Melonlemon is great at this. Too bad she's leaving... --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Can I be the one that try's out the image so everyone can see what it looks like? MAybe in a day or 2? Sand wich  989  22:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure! I'd like to try this out too, I think I'll do Tigerstar. The ultimate villian! --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is a much better pose for a leader than mine was. However, this should be smaller, and of course we need the other blanks (Long female, Long male, Short female) Also, I would suggest taking out that line in between the eyes and make two diagonal lines from the corners of the eyes going down to the nose. That should give it a more natural look. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Improtant:Could Bramble or someone else take responsibility for these? I can't do them as I'm not good at balnks and they show up black for me. If anyone could do these, it would eb apprciated. Thanks! --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 21:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)



I am testing the leader blanks for bugs, this charcat isn't for approval. It seems to work perfectly, Thanks to whoever drew them! Hawkfire My Den 14:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire: This may not be for approval but it's quite good! All you need to do is transfer some of the stuff you've done here onto your other images such as use these tabby markings for Millie and Darkstripe, blend in your shading on all three images and they'll be on their way to approval. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, you'll have to use the same tabby markings as [[File:Tigerclaw.warrior.3.png]], because this one id=s im as a warrior. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved this ^ under the leader blanks section to save room. And I can do them Mal, if that's alright with you. -- Bramble My Realm 21:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, since I believe Mallinois is allowing me to take responsibility for these; I would like to ask your opinions on one thing: Do we want to use this blank:

or this:

I personally like the first one better, but please post your opinions. -- Bramble My Realm 21:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see the new one tested before I give my opinion. Where did the new one come from? Did you make it? Boltstar 21:25, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like the new one, but the ears are super huge compared to the head. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I will definitely shrink the ears. And Bolt, this was the old version of Melonlemon's leader blank before the first one. I was going to do a char out of it, and saved it to my cp, but then she completely changed them. I always did like her first version better, though. So no, this is still Melonlemon's. And I can give you a test version. -- Bramble My Realm 21:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, and I'd almost just take the head of the old one and put it on the new. The old one's expression looks so wise. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Raggedpelt- For Approval
This is my unfinished Raggedpelt. Could somebody make the background transparent, please. This is not up for approval. Boltstar 23:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed it. Unfortunately I had to upload it as a .png format instead of .PNG format (they're not the same thing). Do you want it to be up for approval now? -- Bramble My Realm 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I uploaded it as a .png, but in my post, the lowercase just said Raggedpelt.png in red. When I changed it to uppercase, it showed up. Edit: Or at least, that's what it said when I saved it to my computer. Edit: Now it's ready. Boltstar 00:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I like his color. It's a very pretty brown. But your tabby stripes need to stretch out more into the main pelt area, and be darker, I can barely see them. Make them slightly thicker as well; if you need help look at some of our approved tabby warriors for reference. Make the ear pink more like a hot pink color, and make sure to add shading on his back, chest, hind leg curve, forelegs, forehead, and tail. This is a great first start, though. Looking forward to seeing some of your other work! :) -- Bramble My Realm 01:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been working on it for days. Define hot pink please. Boltstar 02:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear color is fine, but that it needs to be blended. Otherwise I agree with Bramble. --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend it.... are you supposed to blend it all at once? And Bramble, where on the tail do I shade? Boltstar 13:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but blend as in blur. The ear pink stands out sharply, we need a more soft transition. And hot pink as in like this color:. -- Bramble My Realm 21:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

And the tail? Boltstar 01:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

For the tail I'd suggest a thin line of shading on the underside, fading out about 3/4 of the way up. That's what I normally do. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall-For Approval
Now I feel that I have enough time to work on this. Here is Birchfall again. Is it okay that I am putting it back up? -User:SparrowWing

well, it looks okay but it needs some improvement, try working on the stripes, make them stand out. And add a little more shading :) you did good for your first try! His eyes also need color :) Nice work Hawkfire My Den 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you back in here, SparrowWing. :D He needs that wave thing out of the eye. You need to blur the stripes a bit, too. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:42, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire Worked on the stripes. The eyes do have color, it is just a similar color to the fur.

DawnfeatherBlurred stripes. I'm not sure what you mean about the eye. Could you be more specific?

-<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ashfur(SC) - For Approval


I felt bad for him as we only see him in the allegiances and he's quickly forgotten. Then his name gets taken! lol Constructments? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:17, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks great, but maybe add a small bit of shading next to the ear on the head. I hope it makes sense...?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 21:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Done <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The eyes seem very pale; try darkening them a shade. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ashfoot (Queen) - For Approval
I saw that Darkhallows was doing Ashfoot as a warrior, and Smokeberry was doing her as a deputy, so I thought maybe I'd do her as a queen. Constructments? -- Caroline Stimpson <font color="Blue" style="background: None">Talk! 20:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

She's beautiful, but I believe she's shorthaired. Most WindClan cats are. -- Bramble My Realm 21:06, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Bramble! I made her short-haired. Anything else? -- Caroline Stimpson <font color="Blue" style="background: None">Talk! 01:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks really nice! But maybe blend the shading into the pelt more. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I blended the shading a little more; is this better, or does it still need more blending? -- Caroline Stimpson <font color="Blue" style="background: None">Talk! 16:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Just keep blending and it should look good. Oh and are you using GIMP? Sand wich  989  17:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe try adding a highlight to the eye, since it looks really dull.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 18:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how to do highlights....help? Oh, and I'm using Pixlr. -- Caroline Stimpson <font color="Blue" style="background: None">Talk! 19:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

For the eye, just use the pencil tool and add a white pixel right next to the pupil. -- Bramble My Realm 20:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you think you could also make her slightly darker? More like gray and not a light gray color. -- Bramble My Realm 20:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkflower (Queen) - For Approval
My first time doing this. What do I need to do for improvement? --Spottedwing 03:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well first undo all the blurring you did. Second add a pupil to the eye. Third add shading and blend it in. Sand wich  989  08:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the colour needs to be lighter. I know she's black but we need to be able to see the lineart a little. It also makes it easier to add shading if the colour's slightly lighter than pure black. Then add a pupil and highlight to the eye. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. My computer is really slow right now, so I'll work on it as soon as I can. --Spottedwing 15:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Where's her pupil? O.O -- MU MB LE 785  16:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I'd like to wish everyone on the wiki a happy 4th of July. I added a pupil, and I made her lighter. I'll add shading later. What else do I need to improve? --Spottedwing 22:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ashfoot (warrior) - For Approval
<33, gotta love Ashfoot. --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 09:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I luf her!!! -- MU MB LE 785  17:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks great, but does her nose have to be pink? :) It makes her look sweet and cuddly. -- Bramble My Realm 18:25, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The queen version's is... so I thought I'd keep it the same way. It is changeable, though.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 19:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Could you change it back? I think it would look better without a pink nose. The queens are just like that cause we didn't color the nose in. -- Bramble My Realm 20:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and could you aslo make her slightly darker? This looks like light gray, and not just gray. -- Bramble My Realm 20:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

LOOK HERE
I've about had it with the problems we've been having with the user reservations and the whole thing as it is. I liked the certain aspects of it, but it's not working the way it is. I want to slightly reform it to make it easier to use.


 * 1) Rename. Honestly, when we first had the idea it was to make sure two different users didn't do the same char. Not to reserve characters so you can hold them. It would be better suited as 'Current Projects'.
 * 2) There should only be two at a time. All of the writing, especially with specifying different ranks as such, clutters the whole section and makes it hard to read and find cats so you don't 'reserve' the same one. Two at a time would make them easy to find and less messy.
 * 3) You can't hold them forever. Some users have cats that have been there for almost two weeks. How long are they going to sit there, when other people might consider doing them? I think there should be only two weeks(at least) to keep one cat up. It will be deleted if that time frame expires and no work has been done on it.
 * 4) Focus on certain articles. On the Project:Characters page, there's a list of what really needs improvement. Do chars whose articles might need help, to mark them as something special, and don't do them as personal interest, please. Remember, this is all for Warriors Wikia.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with this. But I want this whole thing to work better, for the good of the Wiki. :) My senior warriors, warriors, what do you all think? I want your opinions on these before I put them into use. -- Bramble My Realm 21:22, 4 July 2009 (UTC)