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Color Comparisons
Well since we've made no progress on the color defining thing I suggested above, I'd like to suggest something new. After looking at a few things that warriors compare colors to to describe them, I'm starting to think we shouldn't accept color comparison descriptions at all for chararts. Things such as bracken colored, dirt colored, fox colored, ect. There was so much variation when looking for that, and some being totally different descriptions for a cat, and not just a different darkness or brightness. For example bracken. Bracken could be green, of course, a bright bright golden color, a dark red color, a golden brown-ish color, or a very dull desaturated gold. And let's not get into the variation on how different dirt can look. So I'd like to propose not accepting chararts of these descriptions anymore, especially not alts, because it's just not giving us a real color to work with. I'm sure you could compare it to say, the shades of orange or ginger, but really, think about how some dirt could be black nearly, and some a gray-brown, and some just a really light brown. Those are totally different descriptions it could mean, not just a slightly different shade of a color like gingers. So unless we can all agree on a definition for these odd comparison colors, which I just don't think will happen with all the variations, I don't think we should accept them.

Thoughts?

I agree with this. I think we should stick to specific descriptions, like ginger, black, tortoiseshell, etc. Like Paleh said, there are so many different colors for just bracken, let alone the pelt colors a fox could have. It's possible that the object could even already match the current description, and that would mean we're just making the exact same image over again. I agree that these shouldn't be accepted and we should stick to the actual pelt descriptions. 04:25, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ya know, I just realized I didn't quite clarify that they shouldn't be accepted for images. For description's they're perfectly fine, cited information that helps a reader image the character. No problems there. It's just chararts. Just thought I'd make that clear before I get told to take this to PC instead. :b

Sun Trail Characters
Okay, guys. As you all know, there's a new book out, with tons of new characters. They're supposed to be "ancient cats", in a sense. However, I've noticed that a lot of you are reserving sharpclaw images, or even a few warriors. Guys, let me clarify. They are not called sharpclaws within the book, and they're certainly not called warriors. Guys, unless there's a cite for their rank, they don't get images. Anyone who reserves a sharpclaw or a warrior and posts it with no cite for their rank will have their images declined.

Unless you've gotten a cite from Vicky or Kate or Cherith or someone like that who calls them sharpclaws, they're not. So, there's your reminder not to post them, or else they will be declined on the spot. I was looking forward to them too...so...you guys aren't the only ones.

I know this is like the solution everybody has for everything, but should we make a mountain cat blank? In the allegiances, they are referred to as “Cats of the Mountains,” not “the Ancients” or “the Tribe,” which seems to be sufficient enough evidence that they are a group united together, and that they are different than the Ancients or the Tribe, even if their leader is still called a Healer. If not, I think we should give them all rogue or loner blank, for the reason above that they are obviously not Ancients, Tribe cats, Clan cats, or house cats.

Or we could go back to the discussion of a “no-rank” blank now that we have like twenty more cats that could fit said blank. Or even something like a “pre-Clan” blank, which would encompass all of the cats that journeyed to or lived in the forest territories before the Clans began - with or without a mountain cat blank to designate those from the mountains. This just seems to me like way too many articles that wouldn’t have the character images they should, especially if more mountain cats are introduced later or other cats found in the forest aren’t considered rogues or loners (and just one or two being called rogues or loners doesn’t mean all of them are). They shouldn’t just sit there if there’s a reasonable way we can give them images. Sorry if I’m missing any facts. I haven’t read ST yet. 21:26, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I know it's not exactly the same thing, but the mountain cats were previously Sharpclaws, then evolved into presumably prey-hunters/cave guards. I forget the exact details. But I agree with Breezy on the fact that they should get some sort of blanks, since they all have complete descriptions. I think a pre-clan blank would be a bit too broad, but I'm kinda leaning towards the sharpclaw solution But no, I'm not suggeting it, not going to defend it right now. Waaayyy too tired for a full out debate now. And i haven't read the book yet Did Half Moon and co. establish the prey-hunter/cave guard system before they left? 23:38, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind an ancient tribe blanks, but the thing is, I'm pretty sure they do have ranks, just unmentioned. So what if they were eventually confirmed in rank, either by vicky or in a later book? A whole blank and a bunch of images would go to waste. If I didn't think they did have a rank I'd have no problems with this at all, but I just don't know about risking it.... The preview originally said Sharpclaws, but it was changed in the book later, so I'm really not sure what to think of that. Vicky did confirm that they hadn't split up into cave guards and prey hunters yet when I asked about them before the book was released, but she said nothing against them being sharpclaws, which confuses me more. I honestly do think they have a rank that we have blanks for, and I don't want a bunch of images to go to waste. So I don't know, just keep in mind I guess, if we do make blanks, that there'll be a sliver of a chance that the rank will b confirmed and the blanks and images will go to waste.

Well, a lot of the cats were described as delicate so that gives me the sense that Vicky might've been indicating Prey Hunter, but again this isn't confirmed. Maybe wait a week or two and see if PC or PW come up with any ideas Idk who does ranks.... D: I'm such a Derpywind!! 01:52, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think a no-rank blank would still be our best bet. Since it'd be useful in more than just this situation. We get cats all the time that are in rank limbo or just have no rank stated. 01:56, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe waiting a couple weeks to see if an Erin says anything about their ranks, but if none of them say anything I really think we should find a way to give them blanks. Even if the images are temporary, at least there will be something on their articles. For all we know, it could be a year or two before their ranks are even mentioned. I agree that a no-rank blank would be a good idea, since we could give other cats like Slant a rank at the same time. It could be hard work down the drain if their ranks are confirmed, but at least with a no-rank blank it could be used again in the future. 04:54, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

The idea of a no-rank blank seems fine to me. This way we'd get all of the cats who also don't have a confirmed rank, but have positive descriptions, along with these new characters. 05:01, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Mmm, for the other blanks mentioned, they may never get used if anything is confirmed, so I am highly against that, but we could use the no-rank blank. Alternatively, though I have not read the book, the cats could get loner images if they're friendly (which they seem to be in the prologue). I'd be fine with either one, honestly. 05:02, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Quite honestly I'm strongly against the no-rank blank. It's like having a no gender or no color blank. We need to have all the information, and otherwise it's just an excuse to make a charart. For the mountain cats it's a different case, but I really think the group itself should get it's own blank if anything instead of having a no-rank blank. Plus the no-rank blank would be temporary on a lot of cats, since every cat technically have a rank of some sort, and it simply hasn't been confirmed. As soon as that rank is confirmed, the image for that cat would go out the window. And yes, I agree with Whiskey that we should wait a couple weeks to see if the Erins say anything or possibly if anything's found in the book. But the ancient tribe blanks would be the only thing I would support. A no-rank blank kinda defeats the point of having blanks that are specific ranks at all (which I do question about being needed, but I'm sure nobody would like getting rid of all rank blanks). An ancient tribe blank could sorta be considered a rank, kinda like loners, it's an affiliation and a rank if the tribe's confirmed to have no other ranks. And currently we have all of about two cats outside the sun trail cats that would actually benefit from the no-rank blank, and that's Slant and Fall. And I'm not even sure both have descriptions, if memory serves only one does. The StarClan blank has basically become the solution for all the other cats without ranks, as all of them were seen in StarClan.

I adore the idea of a no-rank blank, in this case, it wouldn't be used only for these characters, but for other characters, also, I think that it would make sense to make one. owo 02:53, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Not really a part of this project currently, but I still disagree with a no-rank blank. Paleh said it all^

I think it's a great idea - it'll mean there'll be quite a few chararts to do for ones out of TST and other characters. ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Thank you!
Thanks for letting me join! :D I will be as active as possible and I can't wait to start making chararts!

BUT, who exactly is there left to do?

Thanks, 23:01, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hi there! You're welcome! There's plenty of characters left for you to do. They're listed on this page, however, any kits who have (Star) listed after their name are not available to do until the StarClan kit blanks have been made, and crossed out ones are already being worked on. 23:11, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Rejoin?
May I please rejoin this project? -- Atomic Pumbaa! Let me define babysitting! 01:18, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Why of course! I'll add you back in as an apprentice. Read the Guidelines to freshen up on the rules. c: 00:49 Sat Mar 23

Question
How exactly do you put an image up for approval on the approval page? This is the only thing I need to know then I'll be all good! Thanks, 01:00, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Squirrelflight's Deputy Pic
I think that it needs to be a little bit more. . . dark ginger. I think it's too light and it should match her warrior pic. Correct me if I'm wrong. 01:49, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe if you have suggestions for improvement of already approved chararts, you should be nominating them in the Teak/Re-do nomination page, located here, but just read the guildlines and such located here. ^^. 08:29, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I'll move it over to the tweak/re-do nomination page. Thanks, 13:03, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to join please.