Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Millie
Apparently someone changed her description from a silver cat to a light gray one (I guess it's because she was described as gray more than silver). And from my knowledge, silver =/= gray. Should we change the silver images into alts, according to this? (Sorry about my wording)

I...? Don't quite follow? Which images are technically the silver ones, and which ones are the gray ones? I'm so confused and can't tell just from a glance.

File:Millie.warrior.alt.png File:Millie.queen.alt.png File:Millie.loner.alt2.png are the current light gray alts. Her main images are the silver tabby ones with the dark stripes. Since now she's light gray (idk who changed it but I can see why) I was wondering if her silver images become alts while the gray ones become the main images (Sorry, I tried to explain. This is what happens after I get roasted in the sun for a while)

is she light grey or silver? 02:54, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

She's light gray. Check trivia for reason. I switched the description, because of, again, what is in trivia. I asked someone, forgot who, about switching the images around to match the description but they said it was fine. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, I'm just stating why this wasn't brought up at the time.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  07:02, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Well the thing is, silver is not gray, they are different shades. We have had gray alts for silver cats + vice versa and I don't see why this should be an exception. Gray tabbies do not have black stripes.

That maaaaay have been me, my apologies. I actually thought stripe darkness was artist's choice, hence why I never brought anything up. If I'm wrong, however, then we should technically make images to match her current description.

Anymore comments?

Minor alts. - yay or nay?
As per Jayce, I think we should do a discussion about this after uploading Ravenpaw's alt. I believe that some alts that are so minor shouldn't get an alt.. but if it was approved in the past or was there a discussion about it before? I don't know. Shrewtooth has an alt similar to this and does any other warrior cat have an alt like that? Comments? C o s m o s n e s s 🐾 #cat lady 04:37, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

If it completely contradicts something, such as a character being shown with white when they don't have anything cited for it, like Brackenfur, then we should keep them. White is not pale and cannot be added as an artist sees fit, even on tabbies, and requires a valid book citation. We also don't use the graphic novels (and the book covers themselves) when we create descriptions for our characters, unless they are graphic novel exclusive (Diesel, Pine, or Duke, for example), due to them not showing coloring, and the artists are only given a basic description as far as I'm aware.

There's also lighting and coloring differences, depending on where and when they're printed. Foreign covers of one of the Graystripe's Adventure books, The Lost Warrior, is a prime example of this. Some versions are lighter in coloring, while the original English printing is darker and you can't make as much of the background out. The Sight has a version where Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw, are all shown with mistaken eye coloring, but that was fixed prior to a release, I do believe. The mistake with Fading Echoes and Night Whispers original colors is another example as to why we don't use covers or images as citations except when the examples of Duke, Pine, and Diesel are concerned.

If it's something such as Ravenpaw missing a small speck of white, or a character shown with a pale muzzle, then I don't think we need these. Chararts that are supposed to be a solid color are being given pale underparts and things of the like, due to it being artist's choice. Robinwing and Oakstar come to mind when I say this. So, I'd really just say it's more of something that isn't necessary anymore, due to changes in our artists and styles for PCA. At one point in time, they were considered valid, but as things change, so do we, so these images are no longer warranted. I'd say we could keep them around and not delete them, however. We may find usages for them in the future.

I also have a similar question. For example Hawkwing is at first described as a solid dark gray tom, but then a dark gray tabby? Same with Sagenose. I'm still really confused about some stuff, so forgive me if this seems stupid. ;-; 04:58, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I should add should we make alts without stripes. 04:59, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Those are when a cited tabby (Thornclaw, Firestar, ect) are shown without those cited stripes. Otherwise, if it's just a ginger cat and not a cited tabby (Billystorm), then they do not qualify for the alt. Ginger is ginger, but in order to qualify, they need to have the word "tabby" in their description. We add stripes due to a ruling made at least, what, six years ago? Ginger cats are shown with stripes irl, and I don't think a solid ginger cat is a real thing....

Also, if they're called a tabby, then we add it to their description. Hawkwing wasn't called solid (if he was, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE OMG THEY RARELY USE THAT WORD IN THE SERIES), just dark gray. We found a tabby cite later on down the road and it was added to his description.

If the alt is just a single misplaced marking from a manga, or just a singly mentioned mistake, I don't think an alt is necessary.

Depends on what kind of mistake you're talking about, Spooky. Loads of our alts are one-time mistakes. They're still valid.

I meant small ones only mentioned/seen once, specifically ones that are only on one part of the body - wouldn't need an alt. So that would encompass (imo) Shrewtooth, Ravenpaw, and perhaps even Fallowtail's ginger patch muzzle mistake.^^

Yeah, but I think the Fallowtail one was directly said to be a mistake? And that completely contradicts her description, so I think that one can stay.

Yeah, the Fallowtail one should stay imo, as well as things like Toadfoot's gray paw. I really don't think ones based on really minor mistakes from the graphic novels should stay though, as in the case of Shrewtooth and Ravenpaw. There's really no need to have a whole alt for something like a paler muzzle (especially since the project allows pale parts on solids) or a misplaced bit of white. 01:19, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

^^ Since this hasn't been commented on in a while, just gonna add that i agree with what Ivy said.

Slash
Alright, so he was called gray and a gray tabby, and he does have a rogue alt. of a gray tabby. But, he was called gray in Path of Stars, which I think is when he was the leader of his group. So does that mean he gets an alt. leader image? 22:03, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but if you were thinking of doing the charart for it, Winter's already got it reserved.

Nah, definitely not. xD 22:08, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

feathertail
Quick question, shouldn't her alt star image be on her page? She was shown as solid in StarClan in The Lost Warrior, why is it not there? (actually, after some investigation i saw that skt removed it because it was apparently for the pale silver mistake, but it could still be readded for the lost warrior.)

Actually, checked the approved archive and apparently it was made for her lost warrior appearance.

Rejoin?
Hello! I would like to rejoin the project, please. 2:14 Sat Aug 12

Sure, I'll re-add you now. Welcome back! :) 20:37, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Patchkit
Hello, I know I'm not part of PCA, but I think Patchkit needs an alt for being described as ginger and white. Last time I checked he didn't have one. Just letting you know. -- 20:21, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

i think he'd get one too, but maybe we should wait and see first. 20:28, 8/15/2017

Since his canon description literally is that he's ginger-and-white (with, and I quote Vicky's cite "a tiny little bit of black"), I'm pretty sure that would be a partial. 20:33, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

youre right ivy. thanks for clearing it up =) 20:36, 8/15/2017

Billystorm
Another question. So Billystorm was a daylight warrior and didn't daylight warriors stuff their collars with moss. Or did he arrive without a collar? If he did, would he get a warrior alt. with the collar? Sorry if I'm wrong. >o< 20:54, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

i think only Ebonyclaw did that, and he wasnt shown with a collar in any of the mangas 20:58, 8/16/2017

Rejoin?
Is this where i go to rejoin the project?  App! The dappled apple!

thistleclaw alt
so, thistleclaw was called pale in spottedleafs heart chapter 4. and i was wondering, yes, i asked snowed, and she recommended i ask the whole of pca first, if it would be counted as a partial. opinions? Im asking this because when im free to do another charart, id like to work on thistleclaws alt, so please dont take it if its not counted as partial and deserves an alt. please. 07:45, 8/21/2017

I don't think so? pale directly contradicts his dark cite. 08:09, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

Nah, it wouldn't be a partial. That would be silly to consider it one. Pale isn't dark. They're two totally different things. My question is this; in what context was pale being used? Was it pale gray, pale gray-and-white, ect?

he was just called pale-furred, not pale gray or white, so idk 08:13, 8/21/2017

Its an alt 12:11, 8/21/2017

I think it would be an alt. 00:34, August 22, 2017 (UTC)

Rejoin
May I rejoin? - Bird  tail  - -  over   the   R A  I   N B   O   W  22:40,8/23/2017

Tawnypelt
So this is probably a really stupid question, but would the mistake where she is called deputy in TAS warrant an image? I am gonna guess no but I wanted to ask in case it does... 22:19 Thu Aug 24

no, this hasn't been done for any other images so 00:14, 8/25/2017

Actually, I think she would. We gave Ravenpaw a rogue image when he was mistakenly called a rogue in A Clan In Need. 04:28, August 25, 2017 (UTC)