Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Bluestar Alt?
She has a leader alt for being shown as completely blue for official art. I think she gets a star alt, because she is described as in StarClan in the ultimate guide, but I thought I better check. Oh, and I'll have this.-- 21:38, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think so, but no need to talk as if we'll snatch the StarClan image in three seconds. ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 00:45, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Tbh she's already blue, so I find that this will be rather unnecessary. 1:50 Tue Feb 10

Yeah I apologize if I sounded rude there. -- 02:01, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

nervously *nudge* the discussion. -- 22:03, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

If she's described as in StarClan, then she should probably get a blue alt. I don't know what others might say about this, though. you didn't sound rude to me 22:16 Thu Feb 12

Can I make the alt? -- 06:17, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure you can ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 07:29, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

She already has a blue alt though? :o  05:34, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's the leader version though. 05:35, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

I think that was made before we created the StarClan blanks, actually.

What rank do we base Art alts on? It's a little confusing. do we give them ranks based on what rank they were in when the picture was shown or...? 05:04, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

I believe it's based on what rank the cat is when they are misdescribed. For instance, Tawnypelt would get a kit alt (her rank then) if she was misdescribed in Rising Storm instead of a warrior alt (her rank now). 12:42 Fri Mar 6

She means the cats on the cover. Tbh Im also confused about that. 12:44, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Cream Cats
This is a 'might', I'm not 100% on this, so I think we need to research this more.

On paragraph three, line three and at 2: Solids and Smokes paragraph 4 and finally, Line 10-11, all state that cream cats are always tabbies, even with faded markings, just like ginger/red cats.

So cats like Daisy, Berrynose, Rosepetal and maybe Molewhisker could be tabbies? I was just looking around on cat genes and thought I should bring this up.-- 06:17, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

I think we already decided that we're not going to add tabby stripes to cream cats a long while ago. Technically, I think it was said that all cats have some form of striping, save for....pure white and pure black cats, or something along those lines. While it's very possible unless they're called tabbies, I don't think it's necessary.

Not all cats have striping? Many do, but there is a gene that masks the stripes to create a solid color. However, all cats with the red gene are tabbies because the solid gene doesn't work without the black gene. Cream cats are the dilute form of ginger. They are all tabbies no matter what. 3:34 Mon Feb 23 2015

I think it only counts for pure cream cats. Not like brown/gray and cream cats like Ferretclaw or siamese cats like Rose. From memory, I don't think we have that many characters that are pure cream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by

It wouldn't. Ferretclaw is technically a diluted tortoiseshell, and Siamese cats are partly albino. It wouldn't only apply to cats described as just "cream." 4:23 Mon Feb 23 2015

 00:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

not all tortoiseshells have stripes on their ginger patches here and gingers are all tabbies so by that logic we'd have to tweak/redo all tortoiseshells so they could have visible stripes

in all seriousness though, yeah gotta agree with Skye, i think it was decided a long time ago we'd not add stripes to creams 00:39, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I think creamis basically pale orange so... 00:23, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm torn on this. While I agree that the cream cats should in theory have stripes, I also feel that it would just cause unnecessary tweaking. Also, with what Beebs said, if we tweak the cream cats we should tweak the ginger tortoiseshells as well. If we do that, though, does that mean that all ginger tortoiseshells are torbies by default, and should be from now on? 12:46 Fri Mar 6

Ivypool- Rogue rank?
I was wondering if Ivypool would get a rouge image, since she formally joined the DF warriors as a warrior. *shrugs* Just a thought. 12:53, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think she would get a rogue image because she's not actually dead. 12:55 Thu Feb 19

??? Who said rogues have to be dead?? Breezepelt got one for joining the DF 12:56, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

Breezepelt got one for fighting on the side of the Dark Forest during The Last Hope. The same can be said for Redwillow, whom Blackstar killed for that reason. Antpelt got one for winding up there after he died. None of these cats got rogue images for being a full-fledged living member of the Dark Forest. Since Ivypool and many of the other trainees rejoined the side of the Clans after the realization of what was going on, the don't get rogue images.

Agreed that only the ones that fought with the Dark Forest should get a rogue image. While the rogues don't have to be dead, they should be counted as rogues if they have fought with the Dark Forest instead of against, unlike the other cats who fought.

I don't know I mean Ivypool was really influential in the Dark Forest, getting to the point where she was allowed to train apprentices and such. She was considered a 'warrior' there as well. I mean whether or not that's where her heart lies doesn't really change the fact that she was pretty much considered one of them. 3:30 Mon Feb 23 2015

 00:04, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't think she should get a rogue image. Ivy isn't truly loyal to the DF, so I doubt she'd count herself a rogue or be one. 01:08, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, if you read through the first few books of OOTS, Ivypool (Ivypaw) was loyal to them at first... Idk I need to start re-reading OOTS 00:18, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Does it really matter if she counts herself as one? After all, she joined them, and was one of them whether or not she didn't count herself as one. 00:24, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what it matters whether she was there genuinely or as a spy. She was made a warrior in their ranks. They accepted her totally as one of them. That, to me, says she was one of them, even if she was truly there to spy. Let's look at it this way. If a rogue joined ThunderClan, went through training as an apprentice, became a full warrior with a warrior name, then turned on ThunderClan and revealed he had been planning to betray them the whole time for another group - would we still give him a warrior charart? Jayie Unwritten words~ 00:29, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case, then shouldn't we give all Dark Forest cats rogue blanks, including the apprentices that trained? They were clearly accepted in the Dark Forest. Sorry, I still fail to see what qualifies her for a rogue image, especially since I think she became a "full DF warrior" after she already saw through the Dark Forest- It was an infiltration thing and she'd already saw through the Dark Forest's plans.

I'm pretty sure what they see themselves as counts like isnt the only reason squirrelfight and the other cats who went on that journey don't have loner blanks is because they still saw themselves as clan cats? even though the clans assumed they left. seems like the same kinda case here, and I don't think she should get one. she never intended to betray thunderclan, especially after she realised what they were up to. :| 03:20, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Then... I think Applefur and stuff should. Because they never realized what was going on until the battle started. shrugs 01:06, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sandstorm Alt?
I was looking through Rising Storm last night, and saw that Sandstorm was called golden on page 88. Would she get an alt for that? 16:06, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Lionblaze is golden, and he got an alt for being called....either orange or ginger, I think. I don't see why not.

Lionblaze got an alt for orange. I remember in the first series Sandstorm is called orange a lot, so I think so.-- 22:17, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Its atleast two shades away from the original color, so im pretty sure it does warrant an alt. 21:21, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Request to Join
Can I please join the project charart? I can help out a lot *please please* ~S i  l  v  e  r  i  n~   Always  Shine like the dark moon☽ 11:57, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to the Project Charart! 13:56, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Russetfur alt
I think Russetfur should get a tawny colored alt as a loner instead of having a kittypet alt because in Tallstar's revenge the book clearly stated that the cats weren't kittypets when she was called a tawny-furred cat. 01:09, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Prepare for Reservation
Where do we reserve for making a charart? This might be dumb but I'm new... I want to do Dawnflower's StarClan if Shy Fawn ancient gets approved. I know I can only do one at a time so I'm just asking before the case, I won't move until Shy Fawn ancient gets approved/declined. 01:35, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Dawnflower has no citation for being in StarClan, so she doesn't get an image. Regardless, you'd reserve after Shy Fawn gets approved and added to her page.

The reservation chart is on the front page. You have to edit the source code to include your name the first time. Put it in alphabetically, and then add what cat you're doing. (Make sure nobody has it reserved, though.) In the last column, put what date it is. presto it's reserved 12:50 Fri Mar 6

Flamepelt alt
Flamepelt was called orange in TR page 460. Since he's dark ginger and Sandstorm got an orange alt for being pale ginger, I think he should get it. 04:52, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

No need to announce it to the world tbh. Just add it to his trivia and the characters needing art page. 05:05, March 5, 2015 (UTC)