Warriors Wiki talk:World

Gathering
Thought I should bring this up. The article looks honestly very confusing to use (and base off) and it's really confusing to edit. I've been working on it for a few days yet I can't seem to grasp the basics, for example, not all moons and seasons are mentioned in the Gatherings. Is there anyway we can simplify this? 18:57, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also we kind of need a guideline on how much history an article neds, such as ThunderClan or ShadowClan. Basically it seems like that on some articles, the entire book is used as a summary, yet on others there's hardly anything. We should come up with a basic guideline on how these articles should be formatted, and what should be used.

-Just as a suggestion, but the list of gatherings might be a bit more organized and easy to use if it's like the structure of the Events Timeline? I dunno, I think it would be... 00:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Any other commnets/suggestions/ideas? 16:01 Sun Jan 31

No, I do like your suggestions. 03:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any other comments before I go an make the table for the Gatherings?

The one thing that I don't really know what to do about, though, is SkyClan... I'm thinking perhaps an entirely different table could be made for them, and put under the table listing the gatherings for the original 4 clans? 22:48 Fri Feb 19

Maybe ... If you're talking about SkyClan's only Gathering, then yes they should probably have their own template, but if you're talking about ancient SkyClan they go with everyone else. 12:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can we get some more commernts on this? 01:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that a table would be easier to use, but may I suggest holding off on SkyClan for a little? There's a chance that with Hawkwing's Journey, and the 6th arc that SkyClan may merge with the other Clans. I don't think we should make a table for SkyClan, only for them to merge and it would be pretty much useless.

Maybe ... does anyone want to try to draft up to let Maple draft up the table (when she comes back ofc) with the remaining suggestions? 02:05, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

So Spooky how do you think the SkyClan gatherings should be shown? Now that I think about it, it would be interesting if they were put on the same table with the regular Clans, just noted to be at their own seperate Gathering, because I actually would be curious to see when a SkyClan gathering takes place compared to the other Clan Gatherings.

Also, I'll try to start the table draft tomorrow, but if anybody else wants to start, they can do it here. 05:49 Wed Mar 30

I was thinking we'd have some type of separate column, so we could see side by side how the Gatherings compare. Idk to include some of the ones in the Field Guides though... Some have context clues for placing and some are just random...

I think I get what you're saying, but that might look a bit messy with a SkyClan gathering block sticking out every here and there. Keep in mind, there were few SkyClan gatherings that the reader actually saw, so I'm not sure if it deserves its own section. Why don't I make a draft of what I am imagining the table to look like, then you can describe where you think it should go? Because I might be understanding you wrong. 01:59 Sat Apr 2

Okay, so you can now see the draft on the subpage. I'll link it again: User:Mapleclaw/Gathering sandbox. Imo, it would be too cluttered for all of the Clans to each get a section, but that's just my opinion. Also, you guys can feel free to try out an idea you have yourself, just please copy another table and put it with the changes beneath, so that the original shows, that way it would be easier to see the changes. Anyways, I'd really appreciate some opinions/comments. 03:20 Sat Apr 2

Hmm, I think it's really important to list what each Clan says. I think we should just have a template similar to Erin Hunter Answers Your Questions Fall 2010 and that. It goes in order of who speaks first and that, instead of just ThunderClan first then etc etc.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:24, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's pretty much what the template is like right now, and I think that was what Icy meant when she said it was confusing and hard to use... At least imo, it looks kind of cluttered and unorganized like that... Unless you meant that in my draft it should have all the Clans listed per gathering. I just had one or two Clans per Gathering because I felt too lazy to put them all in. 23:40 Sun Apr 3

any other comments or should this be used as the template for Gatherings? 20:14 Sun Apr 10

I'm going to poke this. If you guys think its good as it is now please say so. 01:09 Wed Apr 20

Yeah, I like what you have drafted in your sandbox thing. We should use that

Any more comments? 15:47, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Journey to Find Sparrow
So this is in Tallstar's Revenge and it's a really big event in the book. He meets Jake and y'know, just a lot of other stuff. It has a pretty good chunk of the book, but I can't prove it (here on the wiki) cause the article isn't done? and it came out in 2013

Are we making articles of all the journeys now? Yeah, it's a huge part of Tallstar's Revenge, and I think part of the reason it's not done is because 2013 was an iffy time for the wiki... but seriously? I say it's important enough. Would that cover when he left WindClan, met Jake, and then traveled to find Sparrow and the events that transpired after they joined the group? Or just until he found him?

Anyone's allowed to contribute to this page right Jaysnow (talk) 23:46, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yup, poor Maple has so many discussions to archive. It's a buzzin' I'd like to think it starts when he leaves WindClan, and ends when he returns. And yeah, anyone can contribute but I assume someone will do the bulk of the work, then get credit for the nomination. Idk.

Yes we're pretty much doing all of the major journeys. 03:31, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think this is necessary since the journey is a major plot point in the book.

Are we going to create this page? I'm sorry TR wasn't completed even though it came out in 2013. I was planning on starting it and finishing it cause it looked like no one else was going to, but other articles got in my way and I was just ugh. I'll try to though? 23:51, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

The Long Dry
Hey, do you guys hate me yet? Okay, so I was reading Bramblestar's Storm and Molewhisker mentions how the lake dried up in "The Long Dry", and Blossomfall tells him that Dovewing and Lionblaze went from ThunderClan, and several other cats went to fight the beavers and bring the lake back. So technically Molewhisker mentioned that as a significant event, because if not, he wouldn't have called it by "The Long Dry". Now, I know we have "Journey to the Beaver Dam", but the Long Dry is kinda different, isn't it? I'm not sure - maybe we could rename that, or just add the fact that it's also known as The Long Dry. 03:31, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

If it's called The Long Dry, then that's probably what the page name should be. However, "Journey to the Beaver Dam" could serve as a redirect for those who haven't read Bramblestar's Storm yet.

Yup, totally needs an article

Completely agreeing with Cloudy. The one thing is, I think the article on the journey isn't really focused as much on the lack of water as the journey itself; maybe there could be a bit more detail on how little water there was. 22:31 Wed Apr 6

True ... but somehow I don't think The Long Dry and The Journey To The Beaver Dam should be the same page because they both have different names ... Not sure right now. 00:50, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Was it ever actually called, 'Journey to the Beaver Dam'? I think it probably would have been referred to as just 'the journey' etc. without caps, making it not a title. Most of the events articles weren't actually named in the books either, and I think this journey was one of them? Idk I might be wrong though 02:12 Thu Apr 7

I've just done a word-search, and it is not mentioned as 'Journey to the Beaver Dam' in any of the OoTS books, BS, or TAQ.

Actually, I'm just realizing, but if Journey to the Beaver Dam will be renamed 'The Long Dry' w/ a redirect, then Journey to the Lake Territories should be renamed to 'The Great Journey' (it's already a redirect to journey to the lake, but I'm saying it should be the other way around). Similarly I think for the Battle Against the Dark Forest- I don't think it was ever called that, but I do know it was called The Great Battle (which redirects to to that page) 20:12 Sun Apr 10

Yep, that sounds good. Redirects are the best when it comes to different titles. 03:03, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Then should I make the redirects? 15:14 Sat Apr 16

Go right ahead. 16:28, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

I renamed the other two, but it won't let me rename 'Journey to the Lake Territories' as 'the Great Journey' because 'the Great Journey' already exists as a redirect to 'Journey to the Lake Territories', and it says to ask an admin to help with the move. 16:41 Sat Apr 16

Wait, what are you trying to do? I can help you but I'm a tad confused on what you're saying. 17:01, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

I can't rename 'Journey to the Lake Territories' as 'the Great Journey' because the page 'the Great Journey' already exists as a redirect. <span style="">18:50 Sat Apr 23

Renamed. 19:02, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Okay thanks. While we're here, guess what I saw out while rereading Long Shadows the other day? Hollyleaf said to Ashfur, "And it's not betrayal when you weaken ThunderClan in front of the other Clans, so soon after the Great Battle?" So the cats seem to be calling every battle 'the Great Battle' :p But I do think that 'Battle for ThunderClan' should be renamed to 'The Great Battle (Po3)' since it was never called 'battle for thunderclan' in the books. <span style="">20:11 Sat Apr 23

Well, I always thought of that battle as the Eclipse Battle but I know it was never called that lol. Either title would work imo, but I never considered it a 'Great' battle before

Hmm ... Is there any other times it's mentioned as The Great Battle? 23:49, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think so. But I still think it should be renamed to 'The Great Battle (Po3)', because it was actually called that before, even if only once. <span style="">01:30 Sat Apr 30

Well, if you wanna rename it that then it should also be mentioned that The First Battle was called the 'great battle' by Wind Runner in MFV so...

That's actually why it's named The Great Battle (DotC). As a matter of fact, it was called 'the Great Battle' multiple times, and idk if it even ever was called 'the First Battle'. <span style="">01:39 Sat Apr 30

Meep. Don't listen to me I'm tired, and thought it was named The First Battle after the book.

Battle Against the Badgers
I think this killed 3 cats, pretty much caused the reincarnation of Cinderpelt as Cinderheart, included Leafpool and Crowfeather leaving the Clans, and was an important battle that took ThunderClan a while to recover from, so I definitely think it deserves a page too. <span style="">21:57 Fri Apr 8

Yup, definitely needs a page

I just looked through the book, and here are some thoughts for what could be the sections: Leafpool and Crowfeather escaping/meeting Midnight/returning to the Clans ~ Badgers coming to the camp ~ Leafpool and Crowfeather helping to fight ~ Cinderpelt's death ~ WindClan reinforcements ~ The battle ends/Stormfur and Brook come. I probably missed a few important points, so feel free to point out anything I missed. <span style="">15:26 Sat Apr 16

I'd sorta like a little more of the beginning plot, perhaps have a section of Cinderpelt's confrontations with Leafpool, and her little journey to ask Spottedleaf where her heart lies or whatever? Idk, that's just my opinion but it'd be nice to have a little more backstory

Well I have to disagree because it doesn't really have anything to do with the battle against the badgers. However maybe we could add the scene where the medicine cats dream of "snapping jaws" because I think it's pretty clear those are the badgers, and maybe instances of cats driving out badgers because Squirrelflight and Midnight both mention that the badgers come back for revenge after being driven out. 16:58, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Prey
Okay so imo, this page is honestly quite unorganized.

First, the book mentions: I'll bet that half of the books that the prey was mentioned in isn't listed there. Also, I think it's kind of pointless to even list what books a prey was mentioned in, since it only lists the book and not really anything else on how many time it appeared, its significance, etc. Also, if the mentioned books should be written, they should at least get cites for the first appearance (although of course many animals appear/are mentioned several times, which is why I think it's pointless to have the 'mentioned books' section). Additionally, why should prey get a mentioned section, when medicine doesn't?

Another thing is the appearances spot. Most preys have a couple of random appearances throughout the whole series, when it must only be a small fraction of the amount of times they actually appeared- we all know that mice appeared much more than just 4 times in the entire series. Listing all of the appearances would make the page way too long, and would be way too much work. Basically, I think the appearances section should be removed, or kept only for special cases (such as the worms in GC).

Sorry if that sounded like a rant, I didn't mean for it to. Comments? <span style="">17:01 Sat Apr 9

I agree, but the special mentions should be kept such as, yes, the worms. And then also the Blazing Star sickness, and maybe even mention how rabbits were poisoned in the early NP arc.

Yeah there's no need to have the book mentions I don't think. Everything else is fine though, but you're right about citing the first appearance. However seeing the prey helped me a ton, and I don't think the article should be removed. 03:02, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, the article should stay since it is very useful imo, but I just don't think that the 'appearances' and 'book mentions' sections are needed. I'm kind of confused on if you think book mentions should be there, since you said the first appearance should be cited but also said that you thought it wasn't needed (unless you meant appearances instead) <span style="">00:38 Fri Apr 15

I'm pretty sure we were talking about appearances, and citing the first one only. Then scrapping all of the incomplete book mentions that are unnecessary and would take forever to fill out.

Yes I think we should just keep and cite the first appearance and probably just ignore the rest. 15:51, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any comments from other people? I think you two both want the template to be changed, but I don't really want to change the whole template with only 3 people in the dicussion. <span style="">02:01 Sat Apr 23

I think description and classification should definitely be kept. I think Book mentions should be kept, just list what books it's mentioned and probably a cite for it and that's it. No special mentions. Either that or we use the medicine template because that works well.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:56, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

ooh the medicine temple would work well. I mean, for prey it's mentioned in every book so if we did something like the medicine template it would solve a lot of problems imo

I have to disagree. Our template is fine as it is right now. Our only problem is that wer should get rid of all of the book mentions except one. 16:57, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Well, the medicine template wouldn't work because that has 'usage', 'effect' and 'location', which don't matter at all for prey, so the same template shouldn't be used. But I still think that the 'mentioned' section should be removed entirely, because there must be plenty of books that have been missed and that section doesn't really seem important either. <span style="">18:46 Sat Apr 23

One Eye's Group And Darktail's Group
Great, two more articles created without discussions! So what does everybody think? Do we need these? 21:22, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

I know it's not for this Project, but Firestar's Twolegs was created without a discussion too :/. I'm neutral on One-Eye's Group... but I actually think Darktail's Group needs an article. We'd also better make it clear to people not to just create random articles though, cause people seem to be just like "I think it's necessary" when they aren't in Projects, and then they don't know you're not supposed to create articles without discussion... Ugh

I know. I really do. I also forgot to say that I disagree with One Eye's group. We don't even know who was in his group at all. He just took over Skystar's group. He didn't even have his own camp or anything. 22:08, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

One Eye had a group? I thought he was just a powerful rogue that loose rogues did whatever he told them. Yeah we don't need a page for One Eye's group but Darktail probably.

There is so many loose rogue/loner groups. Not surprising, it's normal wild cat behavior. Maybe we should have a specific page that lists rogue groups. Minor ones I mean, BloodClan is huge enough to have it's own page.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:17, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that One Eye's group should have a page. I remember him being just a rogue who was friends with Slash; he didn't have an actual group. Darktail's I think probably should get an article because they were pretty important in TAQ <span style="">23:59 Sun Apr 24

This was my fault, as I created both Firestar's Twolegs and Darktail's Group without consulting PW. Next time, I will remember to start a discussion before making an article.

Please do so. And I don't think we need a page listing all groups. I think only the major ones need it. I don't really think we need One Eye's group - I think it should be deleted. 00:17, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Any other comments? It looks like the majority is in favor of One Eye's Group page getting deleted. <span style="">01:23 Sat Apr 30

June FA
Early, but hey, whatever. How about the Rockpile? It's pretty detailed for being somewhat minor. 22:14, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, that would work^