Warriors Wiki talk:Books

PB Style and Ops Manual
Hey all! Since PB has no written guidelines (like PC or PW), I spent some time to write up an article with proposed guidelines for writing PB articles, and to help the new leaders in maintaining the project. You can read it here. There are not new things, in fact we have always proceeded according to these principles, but they were never written down. Please comment on the talk page (or here); when every user agrees, there should be a vote for implementing it as an official guideline. Kind regards, 19:24, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are very good. Books, as the base for everything this Wiki has, deserve their own guidelines to properly execute book articles. Like you said, there's no new information, but a new user would find these infinitely helpful. 19:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are useful. I like them. As Moonflight said above me, the books are the base for the wiki. It would be extremly helpful. It doesn't matter if there is no new information - it would be useful to every member, in case they need to brush up on some stuff.  Skye Meow 17:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with everything said above. Even I could use them, since I've never really done anything here. 01:10, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

How long should we wait before adding in a vote? I see no need for it, since there are people that agree, and they look excellent... But that's just me. And Rainlegs, yeah, you could use them. (xD It's ighthearted humor, so don't shoot me for it.) I honestly think that every contributor should read up on them as something to refesh their minds.  Skye Meow 14:51, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

(XD, it's okay.) I really don't think this will require a vote, since no one has decided against it, but I think we should wait for a few more people to agree, since there's only been three. I say we should wait another two days before making it official. It'll give everyone [who hasn't already] plenty of time to state their opinions. 00:33, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll state mine XD I think we should have one. 00:39, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Since a wiki is a community-driven project, all new (or changed) policies and guidelines can be introduced only after a vote. So, yes, we need one. Rainlegs: yes, I mainly wrote the guidelines for the new leadership, so they could know how project articles shall be written, and operations carries out. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

If there's no problem for 24 hours, I'll put up a vote for this. Cloud skye  18:05, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, but the vote is up. Well, I guess it's a vote.... -- Cloud skye  13:18, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have ended the vote. Now do we keep the guidelines on Helix's page, or should we create a new page for it? I have no problem either way. -- Cloud skye  18:57, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon
I just wanted to let you guys know that I have been working on the article for Sign of the Moon as well as the various characters' articles that contains that section. I wanted to know if I'm putting too much information on it, because I'm on, about, Chapter 4, and it's really long already. I've never written a lengthy article for a wiki before, so some insight on this issue would be helpful! Thanks~ Ivystripe 16:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow. That is long, Ivystripe. You don't need to include everything that happens in a chapter. It's only a summary of the whole book. When I get my copy, which should be soon, I can help out with shortening it. Cloud  skye  18:06, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I thought I was being a little too descriptive! I'm just not sure which stuff is the most important to keep, so I'd really appreciate that ^^ Ivystripe 19:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe


 * Well, with books, it really is hard to decide what should go and what should stay. For now, just put up what you think is important, and other members will go and add their share. No one person can make it perfect; it takes many people. Cloud  skye  16:51, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ivystripe! Many thanks for your work. However, I'd suggest to rather add detailed info to Cliffnotes Sign of the Moon - that's what the Cliffnotes are for. ;) Kind regards, 15:27, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I have the book now, so I'm going to help out with this. -- Cloud skye  19:07, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

May Featured Article

 * Is it to early, or not? If so, I think Bluestar's Prophecy would be a good suggestion. -- 23:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Bluestar's Prophecy is a great article. -- Night  shine  18:18, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's not too early. I see nothing wrong with Bluestar's Prophecy. I think it's a really good idea, since it was once our content drive. Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 23:54, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks good. :D 22:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

BP is good, supporting. 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Should the vote be put up now? Its almost May... 19:57, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... How about we wait until the 20th? That'll give it a good 10 days. Does anyone disagree with this? -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, today's the 19th, so tomorrow you can put up the vote. 17:39, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. It's the 20th, and I'll put up the vote in a few moments. -- Cloud skye  18:40, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! -- Cloud skye  18:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warrior Lead Votes
You will find this message on all four project talk pages.

Due to recent senior warrior nominations, several users and I, including Icestorm, Feathermoon, Frostheart, Mossy, and Helix, discussed why lead votes are much more signifigant in senior warrior nominations? It really is unjustifiable. A Wiki is about team work. Senior warriors work with everyone, not just leads. Yet, normal warriors have no say. Why should they even have the option to comment if their vote doesn't matter? It won't change the opinions of the leads. It really is an unjustifiable policy. A Wiki is a community effort. No two users who may happen to have different positions are no different in importance. Everyone one's opinion matters. Why should one user not have the same voice as another? Why should background matter?

Regardless of your opinion, please, please post it here. If we get enough supports, we must put it to an official vote. Even if you completely oppose of this idea, please, please, comment. Your opinion matters, from leader to kit, we all matter. 20:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This Wiki is a community. Not where ranks are separated into groups, and ranked higher just because they have a few more benefits and privileges and a special name. They should be ranked equal, and all I see that should matter is that there is more approving votes than opposing in order to become senior warrior. So, in general, I agree with you, Moonflight. I see no point just for senior warriors to be ranked higher. However, what about deputy and leader? Would they be necessarily ranked under senior warrior? -- 14:43, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Senior Warriors work for the contributors of a project - therefore it's the contributors who should decide if they accept and trust someone working for them, or not. 15:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a new lead in PB, and I think that each member should have a say in their respective project's senior warriors. Everyone needs a say, from the newest apprentice (in PCA's case) to the oldest warrior. I see no need just for the leader and deputy of a project to have a say. It makes no sense whatsoever. All members should have an equal say, regardless of ability, amount of time as a member, ect. What Helix said is exactly correct. Cloud skye  17:57, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thinking more about it, we still need some restrictions to eliminate sockpuppet votes and the like. I don't want to see someone promoted (or demoted) because 10 people who just joined a few days ago and with 0 edits do a mass for / against vote. We might do two things (or a combination of these):
 * 1) Accept votes only from those who have been a member of a project in question for a certain time, with a number of mainspace / project talk edits
 * 2) Instead of counting yes/no votes, a nomination should be decided by weighing arguments. So if there are 2 "yes" votes with valid and elaborate arguments, and 5 "no" votes with no arguments, the outcome can still be "yes", decided by a neutral party (this is how wikipedia does things)

Just some thoughts... :) 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * They're very good thoughts at that, Helice. When I put this up to vote, I'll include it. :) 00:48, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Outcast ~ Silver Nomination
I think it's ready to be voted silver. Comments? 05:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Plot summary needs to be extended. Also, can you find a reference for the cats on the cover? -- Cloud skye  12:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I expanded the plot summary, but I think it can be expanded more. If anyone can help out, please do. As for the reference, I looked at the Erin Hunter Chat 5, and under the heading "The Books", it said that the title Outcast was refered to Brook and Stormfur, so the cats on the cover are probably them. 04:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help out where I can. I don't have the book on-hand at the current moment though. -- Cloud skye  12:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Cats on cover have to be referenced (or the assumption removed). Author, cover artist, jacket designer, publish date, trivia items shall be referenced. Plot summary needs to be expanded. A Publication List, listing English and foreign editions (as we have on other articles) have to be inserted. 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe it's stated in the cover gallery as to which cats are on the cover. I can add that in if need be. -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

The Rise of Scourge ~ Silver Nomination
I fixed the cliffnotes, so I think its ready, but I need a reference for the cats on the cover. Its obvious who they are, so would it count if I just put that the pictures of Scourge and Tigerstar look the same way on the cover and in the book? 22:31, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that would work, but I'm not sure. I think we have it like that for another book, but I'm not sure which one it is. -- Cloud skye  12:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, added. Comments? 23:09, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The article is good. For reference, indicate the page where the cat is first named in the book (e.g. if page 10 shows a cat that looks like that on the cover, and states that it is Scourge, then the reference will be "revealed on page 10"). I have some problems with the Cliffnotes though, these should not contain quotes with references, they should be converted to description (e.g. instead of He says, "My name is Scourge!", write He says his name is Scourge). 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Helix. :D I'll start working on that. 19:22, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, done. Comments? 19:54, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Looks much better. -- Cloud skye  12:42, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, so...CBV? 16:10, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I have no problems. Let's see what everyone else thinks. Rainlegs is back now, so I'd like her opinion to be here as well. (It's not right that I'm the only lead commenting...) -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks fine. :) 00:28, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Allegiances Sign of the Moon - Silver Nomination
Well, they're allegiances. You can only add so much. So, they're definitely ready for silver. I checked them. 00:59, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Looks good to me. -- Cloud skye  13:44, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Supporting. -- 14:31, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, supporting. 19:25, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm supporting, as well. 00:27, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Into the Woods - Silver Nomination
I cited the cats on the cover. That was really all that needed to be done. The detailed plot summery and cliffnotes are good as well. What do you all think? 16:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

The cliffnotes look excellent. They're a bit long though. The article itself looks wonderful. I don't have this manga, so I can't say if anything needs to be extended. -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anything needs expansion, it looks good to me. Supporting! :D  17:42, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Why is Jaypaw Blind? ~ Silver Nomination
It looks good to me. Comments? 18:03, April 19, 2011 (UTC)