Warriors Wiki talk:Characters/Archive 17

Alive template
Hi,

I see the amount of work involved at the release of a new book, when the Members section of almost each character must be updated.

Won't it be easier to do a template for every character, that would be used in the Members sections? It would be changed only once per character at the release of a book, instead changing the entire Member list for every relative. For example:

Template:Alive/Firestar


 * Living (As of The Fourth Apprentice)

and on the character pages, you write e.g.:


 * Grandfather: Firestar:

Kind regards, Helixtalk 23:26, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

That's a neat idea :) It would save a nice bit of editing when new books come out. The only thing I'm confused about, is why it would be called . Wouldn't we just make one called  and have it say "Living (As of Most Recent Book, rather than having one for each character? Forgive me if I misunderstood your point.   insaneular    Talk  23:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can do that way as well. The advantage is having a single template, instead of hundreds. The drawback would be that if a character dies, we still have to change the Members section of dozens of relatives (instead of changing a single template). Helixtalk 00:10, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see why you did that now. I still think it would be easier to just change it on the individual pages than make a template for every single character, but if others like the ideas of the individual templates then we can try it. What do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  00:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, and another thing, there's probably a way to fix this, but on the family member sections, we usually only link the first time the book title is said, so we'd either need to have two templates, a 'parameter' for it (which I don't know how to code but someone probably does, like Lightning) that tells if it should be linked or not, or just type the first one manually then use the template for the rest of them...  insaneular    Talk  00:13, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * One question. One big huge question. What in the world does thee mean? Is this template used like the Alleg template to reduce effort. How will it only have to be changed just once per character? Wouldn't we have to change it for the character on all pages where they are mentioned in the members section? Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  04:16, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

The way I understand it, there will be a coding for a cat, say Sandstorm:. We put that in the members section of any article where she is a member of the family of that cat; i.e: Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Lionblaze, etc. Then, when the next book comes out, we just change the template to say: Living (As of Book name ), instead of changing every single page in which she is listed as family member. This is actually a really neat idea. It would save the amount of work having to be done on the pages. The transition will be hard, but after that it might really pay off. -- Bramble 05:02, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Giving it some more thought, we can take this to the next level by using two types of templates:


 * Template:Living
 * Living (As of Fading Echoes)


 * Template:Alive/Firestar


 * Template:Alive/Sandstorm

This would combine the advantages of both Insane's and my idea, i.e.:
 * When a new book is released, we don't have to change all Alive/character templates, just the Living template
 * When a character dies, we don't have to change the Members section of all relatives, just the Alive/character template

Regarding the amount of work: we don't have to make Alive templates for all cats; just for the still living characters of the main series (of course, it's still a lot of work, but it would pay off).

To reply Insane's question about linking: I don't think we have to link the book title at all; it already exists linked at least twice in the article (in the Charcat box and in the History).

Helixtalk 06:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I get what you meant now. That seems like it would work :) Does anyone have any objections to this idea before we start working out how to implement it?  insaneular    Talk  15:35, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Got it at last. Neat idea. Hmmm, minor work to do again. Reminds me of the categorizing and redirecting work I used to do as a new member. Nice. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:57, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Living. Also, another idea I had, User:Grayravenpaw/Dead, which is basically the same as the Living template, only for dead cats. The template shows only the default option. To see all the uses go to my sandbox, and take a look at the bottom of he page. I have started creating the Alive templates. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  11:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'll help you create the Living Templates. Hm, we would need three Dead Templates and one Status Unknown. Well, actually we would need more Dead Templates for cats whose residence is unknown. But, do we really need Dead templates? It would be more for consistency with the Living templates rather than being easier to change when a new book comes out. → Sky feather  17:02, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I can also help out if needed. As for your question: yeah, we don't really need Dead or Unknown templates as they do not change after each book release. We would need only: Helixtalk 18:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Living (As of Most Recent Book)
 * Living (As of Some Other Book) <- for example, manga characters like Barley in A Clan in Need

Heh, sorry, I went ahead and did them all. But, I was thinking, should we have a seperate category for the Alive templates? In case we need to change something on one of them or need to keep track of them. → Sky feather  19:11, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Grr, things like this always happen when I'm unable to help XD I won't be on much for the next couple days to help, but it looks like you guys have this covered. Thanks, and if there's anything to still be done when I get back, I'll lend a hand. And agreed with Helix that we don't need dead templates; but I don't think we need the living as of other book ones either since a) not a lot of characters have that and b) for most of them the other books are long enough ago that we should put Status Unknown anyways. insaneular   Talk  19:13, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. Can I put the templates or have you finished that as well? By the way, Insane, according to Helix's timeline, Warrior's Return, where Barley and Ravenpaw last appear (according to the timeline Warrior's Return takes place two seasons after A Clan in Need), takes place just around a season before Fading Echoes, so is the time really too long for us to put "Living (As of Warrior's Return) or should we just put "Status Unknown" for them (Barley and Ravenpaw)? Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  09:00, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I suppose you're right, that is pretty close. I was thinking more for the other mangas, like Ravenpaw's Path, which take place even before the second series, (right?) so that would be awfully long to say they're still alive. insaneular   Talk  11:08, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

We can also put it like: "Last seen alive in Warrior's Return". Helixtalk 15:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Would Eclipse be considered a long tinme ago? Five books, and we have no idea of the status of Stormfur and Brook. Maplefern Carrying the torch... 23:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think if we're using Warrior's Return, we should be fine using Eclipse. → Sky feather  23:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate links from the Alleg template
In a character page, the link to a book is contained both in the section title and the Alleg template, for example -

Rising Storm
 * He does not formally appear in Rising Storm, but is listed in the allegiances.

As duplicate links are to be avoided, one of these should be removed (I suggest the one within the Alleg template). Helixtalk 16:58, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I removed the part that linked the book and italicized it to see what it looks like. If everyone agrees, we can keep it at that. → Sky feather  18:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Nominations?
Sorry if this is written somewhere obvious (I'm Stunned. LOL. xD) but nominations don't have to be extra long pages, right? So if the page has all of it's info written nicely, then it's good and can be nominated? :)

Also, do the pages start as Planned and have to be nominated to started, bronze, silver, etc?  Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:39, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Don't feel bad; we should probably have more written on nominations as all the answers to those questions aren't really explicitly stated. Pages can be short and be silver, as long as they are well written and complete (like Badgerpaw, Aspentail, etc.) the only rule is that they cannot have only appeared in the allegiances, as that would be a bit pointless. As for your other question, the first three ranks (planned, started, bronze) don't have to be nominated or voted on, only Silver and Gold. You can change it to one of those ranks yourself using common sense. Planned is only if it has the bare minimum or no content, but that's likely to not be used; Started means it has some content but is missing a fair amount or is very messy; bronze means it's complete and in pretty good shape, just not quite to silver standard yet. Does that clear things up? :)  insaneular    Talk  20:42, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh, I understand. :)

So that would mean Crowclaw is eligible for silver? (S)he only has 1 line in the entire series to my knowledge, but doesn't just appear in Allegiances. ^^  Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, as long as the page is as complete as it can be and the description is cited (if there is one). If it is, then go ahead and nominate in a new section ^^  insaneular    Talk  20:46, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! =D

Hopefully I nominate this right. xD  Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Crowclaw - Silver Nomination
Okay, for a cat that has 1 line in the entire series, I think it's pretty good. LOL. xD Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think its good, too :) Willow  -pool  21:50, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I know we accept cats with only a few appearances for silver, but in this case I think it might be too short. We don't even know the gender of this cat and he barely appears enough to make a small paragraph. I think it's too small in this case. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  23:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Sorry, I thought that Silver meant all appearances were there. :) <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 23:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay^^. Just next time choose a character with a little bit more appearance in them. ^_^ <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  15:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join the Project? -- I c y -  c h a n   s a y s   h e  l l  o !   02:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, added you :)  insaneular    Talk  02:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Nice to see we're getting more members. Welcome to the project, Icethroat! =D <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 02:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

thats because were getting more members ruinpaw is because project character art has been removed so we might have some more members coming Iceyfang 02:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)iceyfang

I think Shigura knows that PCA closed, Iceyfang. By the way, I'm a member, right? Rain whisker  17:37, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cherrykit-Bronze Nomination
I know I'm new here but all her apprenances are listed and her image has been done (if that counts :D). I would say silver, but there is so little to her page seeing as she has been in two books so far! Fawnstorm The Dark Forest are rising...  17:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

She's good but you don't need to nominate for bronze. Only silver and higher. insaneular   Talk  21:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Joining
Hi, may I join the project? Although I've found out that PCA closing was a joke, I still want to contribute more to the wiki, like I promised:) -- Ŧ∆ķ მ♰§  ƱოΣ  21:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, we'd love to have you. I'm glad that the point hasn't been lost when we revealed it was a joke :)  insaneular    Talk  21:43, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi, can I join the project?<font color="#9900FF">Hollytail 00:51, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you. insaneular   Talk  00:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

JOIN?
can i join it plz? --BlAcKsTaR the forest needs me 01:24, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sure. On an unrelated note, might I suggest you add a link to your userpage in your signature? insaneular   Talk  01:24, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

May I join?
I would really like to be a member of this project so that I could help out the wiki! Flowerflight  April Showers bring Mayflowers, and Mayflowers bring Pilgrims!  12:47, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. insaneular   Talk  12:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC)