Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Featured Article
Hmm, I mentioned this to Insane briefly a month or so ago; the idea of having a featured article for the other projects besides PC (and excluding PCA for obvious reasons). I was thinking that perhaps we could brainstorm (or mind-map, whichever is more politically correct these days) some ideas concerning this: whether we all like the idea (or if it's me having yet more rubbish ideas XD - feel free to tell me so if you don't like them), what kind of article we'd like to feature - whether this would be a whole book article or sub-articles, ie. cliffnotes, how long we'd like to feature for/how often we'd choose a new article etc. So, plenty of comments, suggestions, ideas are very much welcome here, and sorry for my second large discussion idea at once =) -- Sandy star 16:38, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I fully support this proposal, actually I have had in mind a similar idea for a long time (I plan to suggest a World article to be a featured one, but first I would like to improve it to an adequate level - will see to it after I return home). All detailed pages should have a chance to be featured, regardless of Project - I understand that in the past we had to focus on PC as it has the most complete articles, but as the other Projects move forward, they can be included as well (and even non-Project articles, like those about authors).

Therefore, Sandy, yours is a perfectly logical and valid suggestion (i.e. giving non-PC articles a chance to be featured and possibly Gold graded), and you know that, so please don't say things like "more rubbish by me" and "sorry for bringing it up", as reading such things cause me pain. :'( And you don't want that, do you? <3

Regarding which article to feature for Books, I'd suggest whole book "packs", i.e. main + cliffnotes + alleg + covers + any other page relating to that book (if there will be such things in the future). For now, I would suggest one of the Field Guides, like Secrets, Cats or Code, because the Cliffnotes of those books are not only good summaries, but also act as excellent reference materials for the whole wiki.

Books (and other project) pages should be featured like any other article (e.g. PC), on the main page in the Feature box. We should have a dedicated page for Feature proposals (or do it via the Community Portal); of course, PC will still be the most popular because of the number and level of articles, but this way all Projects could have a chance. Regarding the Feature box, it should be made a little more prominent - on most wikis, Featured Articles occupy the most important position on the main page, instead of a small box in a corner, and... oops sorry. I'm taking things over again with my ideas. :( I hope I made no one mad - just tell me if I approach things again from the wrong side, and please don't be too angry with me. :)

Kind regards, 91.206.206.28 14:52, June 26, 2010 (UTC) - note: this is Helix not logged in, but I guess you all already figured it out by now ;)

Not much to say that hasn't already been said; I completely support. I think we should feature one book and then have a short summary (like those on Warriors Books) and also links to its related pages (gallery, allegiances, etc.) We might run out of books eventually but we could re-cycle them if necessary. (This all goes for World articles as well) insane  brick'd 21:40, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

This sounds like a neat idea. Regarding having the whole pack featured, possibly the heading could have the full category; i.e: Into the Wild. That way it provides links to all things having to do with the featured book article without us having to manually add them in the summary. Both the cliffnotes and the book article should probably be silver grade if we want to feature them. I don't know about the galleries; you can't really grade a gallery, because all there is are book cover images. I'd say we could feature the article for a month, same as the others; perhaps we could go two/three months with character articles and then one with books? Since there are less book articles than characters. --Bram ble 22:06, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Helix: shhhh (and you know what I mean by that; I'm not going to change so there's no point; that's just how I am). I'm glad this isn't an awful idea after all =) So, so far we've got the following:
 * featuring a whole 'pack' as such
 * cliffnotes and allegiances must be silver
 * feature for one month
 * alternate with the other projects perhaps on a ratio of one:three, books:characters (that gives us more time to get them up to date considering we are a much smaller work force). If PW has articles to feature then I would suggest it becomes 1:1:2, PB:PW:PC (but that is something to take up over at PW.
 * include a short summary and links

I would suggest that the gallery articles never become silver independently of the book pack (unlike allegiances and cliffnotes, which can), and for gold, the whole pack must have been featured and achieves gold as a whole, when that occassion arises. Is there anything else to add to this?

Ooh, almost forgot: where would be the best place to conduct nominations? I was thinking on this talk page, but if we are to switch between different project feature articles then we need to come up with some kind of 'rota' as such to decide which order the projects wish to go in. -- Sandy star 11:08, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was actually thinking that we could have three featured articles each month: one for each project. This would give a little more variety for people visiting the main page and also benefit each project in letting them feature more, and overall make it simpler. It would be difficult to rearrage the page to make room for two more feature boxes but there are ways to either make one of the articles display randomly each time you go to the front page, or have some sort of link to switch between them, I think. Other than that I agree with everything that you said. insane brick'd 11:46, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I like that idea also Insane. Perhaps we could consider having two feature articles per month: one for PC, and the other to alternate between PB and PW (again, this would need to be discussed over there as to whether they are ready to feature articles - if not then we could just change it less often for a while).


 * As for which article to start with... well to me it makes sense to start with one of the 'packs' that already have silver grade cliffnotes to cut down on the work we'd need to do before it can be featured, but I don't really mind. Also: There's no way this will be ready for July... I chose a bad moment I guess, so either it is very late and we keep it throughout August, or we wait until August to feature the first Books article (if we decide to go with Insane's idea of keeping it separate from PC). Wow, I need to stop rambling lol. -- Sandy star 16:35, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy, I won't change either, so bear with me. :) Anyway, seemingly every cat agrees that it is not a rubbish idea after all. Regarding the feature method, both proposals have their merits: In conclusion, I'm fine with both ideas ("sequence", "parallel", or a combination thereof). What really matters is that either way, the Projects will get more exposure, the site will get more variety, and the contributors will have more challenges and goals. Kind regards,  Helix talk 18:11, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Bramble's idea about featuring a single article gives us the opportunity to be flexible, alternating between Projects as necessary, taking in account what they have to offer and avoiding to put pressure on any of them
 * Insane's idea about multiple featuring gives the opportunity for more articles in a shorter time; my concern is that the smaller Projects might not be up to the challenge yet, as Sandy pointed out, but we can work on that

Well, in my opinion World has one article that is silver right now, but two more are going through nominations, and I think they could be featured with minimal work. And if my words haven't shown this, I support the idea. Lightning talk 06:04, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I also support this idea. ♥Ice shine★  14:24, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so it seems we are all in agreement on this, and Insane I know has been playing around with the layout for the main page. I propose to start a new section for nominating our first article as this is getting long and potentially hard to follow, but shall we nominate with the view to featuring it for the rest of July (starting whenever the vote finishes) or shall we look to August, giving insane (and/or Bramble) a chance to sort out the front page, and us a chance to put more work in on the article? -- Sandy star 14:27, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

August, I'd say. Let's not rush things; rather prepare for it thoroughly - I guess you have enough to do now, with the tweak week organization and all. :) Nice to hear btw that the main page is about to get a facelift (I never dared to propose it, even before the four of us had our little talk) ;) - Insane if you need any assistance with layout coding, I'd be glad to help out. Kind regards,  Helix talk 16:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mmkay I made a little draft of how I think we should do it (assuming we have one FA from each project at a time.) here. The way the tabs look can be fiddled around with.... but isn't it cool? I just discovered that little code yesterday :D insane  brick'd 17:26, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

lol Insane, it is cool. I think we should use that ♥Ice  shine★  14:36, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I agree that we should use the epic tab box, and I kinda hijacked it with seeing how images turned out in it (it may be an idea to use an image where applicable with all this extra space). One point though: is there any way to change the tab heading sizes to make them more... even? (I know, perfectionistic tendencies...sorry) -- Sandy star 16:58, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sandy, everything is possible, you know. Changes in appearance, functionality, selecting a tab randomly each time etc. Actually, I wanted to propose a small tweak myself (mostly because of the change of the appearance between active-inactive tab state), but my overwhelm-inhibitor kicked in. ;) Nevertheless, if you / the staff / the contributors have any idea for it, I will be honored to help out, if needed.  Helix talk 18:42, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll help too, if you want. ♥Ice  shine★  16:39, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think images in the FA box would definitely be cool and spruce things up a bit, and I may take you up on that offer, Helix - I'm not very good at css and for some reason the background colors I tried putting in for the tabs wouldn't work. (or maybe that's just my computer? can others see background colors for the tabs?) Either way, we'll make sure they look good before implementing. insane brick'd 12:33, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I disagree - you're good with CSS; it's just using the same declarations as in "span style" tags (color, border, padding, width etc), but wrapped in simple structures. :) You just need to watch out for correct syntax - for instance your background color didn't work because you forgot to put a semicolon at the end of the line (tip: if some style / code does not work as you expect, the first thing to check is if all separators - like semicolons - are in place). Regarding the appearance, here's a quick update I made:

This will give even, fixed-size tabs (because of the width argument) and add a little spacing. Play around with the arguments (size, text position an appearance etc) to find an arrangement you all like. Kind regards,  Helix talk 18:58, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the code, Helix, I added it and it looks very nice. I think we can add it to the front page as soon as PB and PW decide on featured articles. insane brick'd 14:31, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Insane, can I archive this now then? -- Sandy star 21:43, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Feature Article - August 2010
Okay, I'm putting this as a new topic since the other on a similar line has become a hub for sorting out the formatting for the feature article box and main page. This little discussion will be to decide which article we want to spruce up in time for the beginning of August. I'm giving us plenty of time as we are a small project and this is our first. So any suggestions for articles would be good =) -- Sandy star 18:45, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Sandy. I suggest Code of the Clans, mainly because its elaborate chapter summary is an excellent reference material for the entire wiki. Also, the main article itself is good, even the cats themselves are referenced on the cover. I know that it does not have silver status yet, but we can tackle that in a week, right? It appears perfect to me, anyway. Or, in case that is not desired, I recommend Secrets of the Clans for the same reasons.  Helix talk 19:08, July 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Helix, Code of the Clans looks good. I think that should be nominated. ♥Ice  shine★  00:18, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll go with that =) I guess that means we should get the silver vote up (I see no issues with the whole pack being granted silver status). First though, are there any other articles people would like to nominate? or are we agreed on COTC as our first feature? -- Sandy star 08:09, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we have more than two weeks to decide, so no hurry. :) Still, the article can be graded silver independently in the meanwhile.  Helix talk 13:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Exactly my point. Are there any objections before I put the COTC pack up for silver?
 * Also, I'd like to get this settled a few days before the beginning of august as I'm going away on the 31st July. Which means that the vote needs to go up by the 25th at the latest. Does anyone have any other suggestions for a posisble feature article? -- Sandy star 17:16, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I put it up for silver but there's still time for more suggestions. I'm pretty sure we're sorted on this though seeing as nobody has replied. -- Sandy star 20:14, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

As Code of the Clans has just passed in its silver grade nomination, shall we go ahead and vote on/use it as the Feature Article? We all seem to be agreed on the point, and there have been no other suggestions. We should also decide how the summary would be structured; perhaps mention an aspect of the actual book, the date it was released, and which author wrote it? --Bram ble 18:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, if there are no objections I will put the feature article vote up tomorrow morning. I think all your ideas for what should be in the summary are good and can think of nothing to add. -- Sandy star 18:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

The Fourth Apprentice - Silver Nomination
The article is well expanded. I think it's ready. ♥Ice storm★  02:22, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe I'm mistaken, but to grant a book article silver status, the Cliffnotes must be silver first (they are bronze now)? Can Sandy / Insane confirm it?  Helix talk 14:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Correct. To grant a book silver, the cliffnotes and allegiances must also be. Allegiances are no problem but the cliffnotes need work first. Also, there are two small things I see: we need a citation for Dovepaw being on the cover (these are a menace to find and lots of the books need them), and two, is there any praise yet available or no? I'm such an unaware leader when it comes to keeping track XD sorry. -- Sandy star 14:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * For praise, always check Amazon. :) I can sort out praises for all book articles, if you wish. I cannot find a reference for Dovepaw though.  Helix talk 15:17, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah k... will do. Maybe that's a job for tomorrow then =) -- Sandy star 20:14, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll get to work on the Cliffnotes, I have the book in the other room, which I shall now go and get . . . W    a  t  e  r   bender MouseHRULES!   22:08, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did some format clean-up and they look okay. Feel free to give them a good looking over with the book on hand though as I haven't checked for missing content. -- Sandy star 22:06, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I didn't know. I don't think there is a praise yet, I think they're only on Paperbacks. ♥Ice  storm★  20:28, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Midnight - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate Midnight, including the cliffnotes and gallery articles (allegiances are already silver). I checked them all and expanded them as necessary.  Helix talk 18:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

I skimmed them, and these all look wonderful. There seems to be nothing wrong with the cliffnotes or the actual book article, and the gallery is fine. --Bram ble 18:14, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, you know my views on this article and I hae absolutely no objections whatsoever. Brilliant work =) -- Sandy star 18:36, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Join
Hi, I'd like to join this project. I've been working hard to contribute in my other projects, and I'm sure I can keep up with this project. Thank you. <font color="Lime">Willow <font color="Lime">pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  01:12, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll add you in now. Thank you for joining and welcome =) -- Sandy star 18:39, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Moonrise - Silver Nomination
Continuing through the New Prophecy, this time it is Moonrise, including cliffnotes and gallery (allegiances are already silver). These were already of great quality; I just added some references and the publication list to the main article, and did a minor cleanup of the cliffnotes (links, periods etc). Kind regards, <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 19:41, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * This looks great and I see no issues. -- Sandy star 21:42, July 24, 2010 (UTC)