Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Bouncepaw, Rockpaw, Tinypaw - For Approval
The three newest apprentices to SkyClan. Put them all together because i didn't want to do three separate messages. Rockpaw has shading; its just hard to see.--Bramble 18:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)



WOW! And again, WOW!!! GREAT job Bramble! I think you do a very good job on cat pics! I'm sure Gorse will love them, too! GB (Grocery store) 19:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * GB, please stop making presumptions like that. Bramble, go seperate topics next time just to keep things sorted better so there's no chance of confusion as to which pixel correction comments apply to. For Bouncepaw I have nothing, save that it's very nice looking. For Rockpaw, you might want to darken the pink or blend it more with the main pelt color, as it currently is a very very stark contrast with the pelt to that pink. for Tinypaw, some blur tool ;) the edges on your white pelt into the shaded areas are very very distinct. Excellent work.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 06:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that Kitsu, I'll make sure to do separate messages next time if i have more than one cat pic. Oh, and thanks for the comments. GB, you too, its nice to hear you like my coloring. :)--Bramble 13:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. It's not a major issue, more just a request for future. Gorse's life just got a little crazy, so she might take a day or two to get time to comment.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I reuploaded. Rockpaw has a darker pink ear as well as it being blurred, and Tinypaw has her shading blurred to the best of my ability. Anything else I can do to make them better, anyone? --Bramble 15:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Tinypaw looks better than before, but about Rockpaw's ear, the pink part looks a little small for my taste. GB (Grocery store) 18:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I, personally, feel that Rockpaw's ear looks much more realistic now. Black Cats ears look black on the inside. so having just a suggestion of skin and thinner fur is great. (While realism says solid black, I think that would look weird).  Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone have any remaining issues, or shall I approve these 3?  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm good. Great job, Bramble! G B 02:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 24 Hour Call. If you have no problems, please do not add clutter!. If you don't bring anything to the table, don't take up space! This is the final call for people to list reasons they feel any of these three images should not be approved.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 18:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Rainwhisker - For Approval
I did this one for Rainwhisker. Hope you guys like it. Eaglebranch 14:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I like it, Eagle(can i call you that?), but Rainwhisker is kind of a darker gray than this shade. But other than that, the shading's good and he rocks! --Bramble 15:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First off, the character is dark, rather than mediume gray so the shade will need to adjusted. Then there's the shading, which is in need of a bit of work. The character still looks very flat and the edges of the shaded areas are very very distinct rather than blended as they should be. It's a nice start, but needs some work.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kitsu's right about the shading and color, but I think you did a great job on the fur! GB (Grocery store) 15:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Like this? Eaglebranch 18:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Much better! GB (Grocery store) 18:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While the shade is better... There's not a halo-effect around the darker (correct) color, creating a pale-gray line all the way around the body color section. That's not much better, It's just about even up with where it was. Eaglebranch, You'll need to fix that pale line around the edges and then shade it.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, I got rid of the halo and then shaded so that he would look rounder on the edges. I think it looks better. Eaglebranch 14:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely improved. But the shading could be intensified (reference some other, accepted, pixels). Right now it on the minimal side and isn't fully giving dept the to the image.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Version number 4. I took your advice Kitsu and bumped up the shading. Whadya guys think? Eaglebranch Talk 15:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I say that you could just add a little more shading and blur it together. Other than that, I think its great. --Shim 02:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Shim! Whadda you think Gorse?.   Eaglebranch (Talk) 13:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gorse has been crazy-busy of late. But I do still have issues... Namely, that the shading is still all really hard-edged. Which is very inconsistent with the style the other finished pieces are using...  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Dustpelt - Approved
Yep, its old Dusty. My first time doing a tabby, I'm open to suggestions for improvement. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 14:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, this is coming from someone who can't do tabbies. Great job! But he's the wrong color.   He's supposed to be brown.   Eaglebranch  14:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't he already brown? In the allegiances, it says he's a dark brown tabby, but I suppose I could make him a shade lighter if there are enough comments about it. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 20:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He almost looks red to me, which is why I commented, but the tabby markings are great!  Eaglebranch Talk 20:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks very dark, and I can barely see the markings (It could just be my computer, though) Swifty {Asterisks} 01:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks dark... But it's a distinctly ruddy shade of brown that you've got there... more of a chestnut than a dark brown. The markings look good, though.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Bramble! I really like it!!-- JKO The Jakkolantern 21:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Repuloaded, made him less dark and more brownie(that sounds funny :p) -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The picture kinda reminds me of Brambleclaw], [[Tigerstar, and Hawkfrost. Well the picture resembles a dark tabby sorta I guess I could say. I agree with Kitsu, make it a bit less lighter.--Shim 03:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't say the character needed to be lighter... He is supposed to be dark brown. He's still terribly reddish according to my computer, though...  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just noting that this is still very red. Like... it's ruddy like an Irish setter... When the character is supposed to be dark brown.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

How's this? I may have remade him to shadowed, but he's definitely not reddish now. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 21:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He's supposed to be "Dark brown tabby", and that's definitely what he is now. I'll give it 24 hours and then approve if no one says anything. Great work, Bramble.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 23:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Approved. Shall archive this tomorrow.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 18:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Frostfur - For Approval
This is my shot at Frostfur. I appreciate any constructive criticism. FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 02:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's alright. I know Frostfur is white, but it looks a little too white. Cats live in the wild, and they get dirty. Also a little bit more shading would be nice, but that's just an opinion. It's actually not bad.-- JKO The Jakkolantern 03:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I agree. A bit more shading and make the lines smoother too. I learned this alot while I'm making Squirrelflight and Crowfeather.--Shim 03:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As the others have said, the shading need works and the white is just a bit too pristine. But Frostfur is an Elder, also. It won't hurt to have a Warrior Pixel, but just don't be surprised when we have another pixel made later (Eventually I'd like to see articles have pixels for each rank the character has held during the course of the books). <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I did more shading, and added some on her chest. FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Blurtool. The edges of the shading are very, very harsh, and need to be blending into the pelt so they don't look like markings the way they do now. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I used the Blurtool. How does it look now?FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The line between base-color and shading is still really really hard... Take a look at the archive of approved stuff... You'll see that blending between the colors is needed. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Complaint still stands. Going to have to start declining these old ones if we don't start seeing work soon. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Mistyfoot - For Approval
I drew Mistyfoot, how do you guys like it?FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your username when you offer up an image. I think it looks good. Maybe a little more shading in the front. Other than that, it looks fine. The fact that she's a deputy though makes me wonder. Eaglebranch Talk 19:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Asides the fact that I think Mistyfoot has short fur, her color looks about right and she looks good. The shading also needs to be blurred a bit. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I did the longhair base and used Blurtool. Now what do you think?FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Just curious, what is Blurtool? Eaglebranch Talk 20:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Blurtool is an editing tool in quality paint programs that lets you blur areas of the image. FxC, it could use a bit more shading, to make the image more dynamic... and there's also the issue of Mistyfoot being a Deputy... We don't have a Deputy Blank yet... <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I was thinking...you made Brambleclaw with a warrior base. Well, you said you wanted pixels for every rank the character has held, and for pretty much all of the OS Mistyfoot was a warrior. FxC 12:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Brambleclaw was made before he was a deputy. That was the most current rank for him at the time. As for wanting the ranks.. yes. Eventually we'll want that. But currently the priority needs to be on producing with the current rank-image. We can likely forgive it being the wrong base since we do want past images, but I just want to stress that we should work in the currents and focus on characters we have bases for rather than making back images at this juncture. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 22:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Bramble is right about the need for some blending on that shading. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Feathertail - For Approval
After a bit of work i've come up with this pic. This is my first tabby and I appreciate any suggestions for improvement. -- FxC**The Waterfall** 23:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC) It's good,but I think that the abby markings should be lighter.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 00:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is the updated version. How do you guys like it now? -- FxC **The Waterfall** 13:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks better!I like it.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 13:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... it looks pretty good, but if you look closely, there are some faint white spots. Are those supposed to be there? Grocery ( Grocery store, Cart ) 00:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

GB, do you mean the lighter parts? That's the shading. Sorry if you misunderstood. You'll see on some pixels, Brambleclaw for instance, that the shading is like that. -- FxC **The Waterfall** 01:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think she looks like what she should look like.A mix between Gray and Silver,even though she has Silver's pelt color.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 13:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jay. Do you know where Kitsu is? -- FxC **The Waterfall** 13:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

If that's supposed to be there, than I think you did a great job on this one, FxC. Grocery ( Grocery store, Cart ) 00:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great comments, guys. As soon as Gorse and Kitsu approve, I'll put it on the page. -- FxC *The Waterfall* 13:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't approve it as is. But I will say that you've got a great start and I just have a little thing that needs tweaking. The tabby markings look completely drawn on, and not like a part of the pelt. Mayhaps blend them in just a touch so the edges of the markings are a bit softer. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Clovertail - For approval
Ok, this is my first try at Charart, and criticism is appreciated. I will try to improve it if needed, but I tried my hardest. Also, can I join the project?-- J K  O  23:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

That better than what I can do,but does Clovertail have the white fur near the bottom?-- Jayfeather Sheikah 21:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I added a more cleaned up version, with Jayfeather's white at the bottom.-- J K  O  21:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Much better, but mabye you could lighten up the back line. But its not up to me.--Redflare 23:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

For a first timer, I think this looks nice, Jakko. But about her white underbelly, I think that should be lowered a little bit. And by the way, can anyone tell me how to create images? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

GB, you use a paint program such as GIMP or photoshop. I use ms paint then transfer it to photoshop. I can't wait until Foxpaw is a warrior I have the perfect thing in mind.--Redflare 23:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Jakko, this is really good. Blur the shading and it'll be great. All i suggest is maybe a bit of shading between the front leg and flank. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 23:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

A very nice start, Jakko. Particularly for a first go at this. I do have a few points for improvement before it can be approved, though. To start with we'll talk about the shading, which looks incomplete. The head, neck and underside could all use some work to make the character look less flat. Then we have to talk about blending, because this needs it badly. The markings all look drawn on, rather than a part of the coat. Specifically on the belly, where I can tell you used a 75 or 100 px brush and just went 'click' *wink* Some blending and work to make it look more natural will fix that right up. All of the shading needs blending, too. All in all, an extremely nice start. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I accidentally ruined the whole picture while trying to blend it. I used the Blend tool on GIMP, and now it's just a tiny part of the fur. I will need to redo the whole thing, so it might take a little while.-- J K  O  20:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you'd like, I can decline this version, and we can start fresh with the new version. The learning curve on the more advanced programs can be pretty brutal. Just stick with it. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 23:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Crowfrost - For approval
Drew Crowfrost. The program won't do bright colors on gif images, so if anyone could do the ears for me, you would have my thanks. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 03:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, when you are coloring zoom in, it will help you "stay in the lines".-- J K  O  03:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I know, I'm going to fix that shortly, as well as make him bigger. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 03:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 03:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, did the ear. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 05:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Just a bit of shading and this will look decent. <span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to withdraw this; Crowfrost needs some major improvements, and it might take a while to do so. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 14:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I've decided to give Crowfrost one more shot. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Crowfrost. Like him? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 20:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to not repeat the comments about programs here, since you have them on your other pixel. Once again, not a bad start. The eyes need doing. I'd say use a generic cat color like amber since we don't have a definitive color for this character. BLENDING. So important. Right now the hard-lines between the black and white are completely unnatural and need to be blended. Additionally, shading is needed. Highlights and lowlights are good things. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I think its really good, despite the eyes needing done like Kitsufox said. And some shading. He kind of reminds me of an oreo! ;) -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 20:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Added some more shading, and the eyes. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The white markings are still very very sharply defined from the pelt and look unnatural. The shading also isn't blended at all, and really needs to be. Right now it looks like someone dumped a pint of dark paint on his back... <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 18:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Briarkit - For approval
I drew Briarkit. Any constructive criticism is appreciated. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 03:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

A few things. One, the background cannot be colored, and also needs to be transparent. I can fix that for you. Two, the eyes are "missing." Three, there needs to be more blending and shading. <span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

1. I will fix the background, but I would appreciate it if you made it transparent.<BR>2. Her eye-color hasn't been said yet; if it is revealed in Long Shadows, I'll add it.<BR>3. If you can give me some tips on how to do the shading and blending, I'll work on it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 14:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Idf you downloaded an art program you should have a blurtool if you do you use a darker shade around the edges then you use the blurtool to blend them together.--Redflare 14:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I reuploaded Briarkit; I attempted to some shading. Like it? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It's better!-- J K  O  21:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jakko! FxC, any comments? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great comments! If there's anything else I can do to improve it (besides blurtool :p), tell me! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks better. The outline need to be black though. For the eyes, I know it hasn't been revealed. I suggest green - it's really neutral. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If we left things out to wait for details from the books, pretty much none of the characters would be able to be done. I'd personally suggest a generic cat-eye-color like amber. Outlines need to be black. Shading is needed. And the pink selected for inside the ears... It's rather... bright and unnatural.. Maybe suggest a softer, gentler pink. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Added her eyes. But I forgot about the black outline, fix that as soon as I can! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Spiderleg - For approval
I drew Spiderleg. Any constructive criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Siderleg has extra long legs I think, and also, try to add some shading.-- J K  O  20:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and do something about the legs, but he has shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 21:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't do anything about the legs; when I tried, I almost stretched him to death, and I made him blurry! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats really good,it just needs shading and longer legs.I personally don't see any shading. If you want longer legs,can you cut somewhere,paste that somewhere,then draw a bit for the legs,then add the other part?-- Jayfeather Sheikah 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What you're asking for, Sheikah... It's a major affair rather than something so simple. For it to look right the back legs and back would need to be almost completely redrawn. GB... Blending and shading are needed. And a less fluorescent shade for the inside of the ears. Not a bad start, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Nightcloud - For Approval
Thank you, Kitsufox, and everybody else for approving my other piccies! Now all you NightxCrow haters out there, don't get the wrong idea. I don't like Nightcloud, but she was easy to do and someone has to do her. Ideas for improvement or otherwise? -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 20:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome,just what i would expect from Bramble.-- Jayfeather Sheikah 00:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I think you did a great job on this one, Bramble! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 02:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

A very good start. But maybe add some highlights in addition to the lowlights, to give the image more depth and more visual interest. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 18:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm flattered, Jayfeather! I'm not that good ;D. Thanks GB. I reuploaded, and put on highlights, Kitsufox. What do you think now? Any other things I should improve? -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 20:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)