Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Frostfur, Brindleface, Robinwing and Fuzzypelt...
I was adding some description references on Robinwing (TC)'s page and decided to cite the family members revealed in BP at the same time. It says on her page that Fuzzypelt is her mate, and the same on his page, but on Frostfur's tree it reads 'father unknown'. I haven't been able to find a reference for them being mates and was wondering whether anyone else knew whether Fuzzypelt is or isn't their father and Robin's mate. Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  23:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to see if I can find a page where it's mentioned, but so far I've seen Fuzzypelt and Robinwing definetly spending time together, but I think it was one particular page that it was mentioned he and Robinwing were mates... I'll keep looking. Skyfeather  '95 23:33, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Sky =) Sorry I'm a pain. It's just either the tree needs changing or the pages. Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  23:42, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

It's fine, Sandy. Hm, I can't find the page but let me check one more thing really fast before I give up. Skyfeather  '95 23:52, December 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, on Vicky's facebook she posted that Ravenpaw and Dustpelt are the kits of Robinwing and Fuzzypelt.This is where all of the questions/answers are posted. This leads me to believe that he did father Frostfur and Brindleface, but unless it can be cited... Skyfeather  '95 00:17, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, That should be a good enough source to post, right? Still, something makes me not want to post it, but I suppose that's solid enough. Ravenpaw and Dustpelt don't seem like brothers though >.> I'd think Ravenpaw was an only kit... ★ Insane Batteries not Included  04:15, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, we can cite it that it was revealed on by Vicky on her facebook. And apparently Dustpelt did everything he could to deny the fact that they were brothers. And since that can be cited, I'll go ahead and add it the pages^^. Skyfeather  '95 05:21, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just realized that Robinwing being Dustpelt's mother is major incest, considering Brindleface would be his sister and her kits were Ferncloud and Ashfur... Should we keep adding this to the pages, or take it off? Skyfeather  '95 05:40, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean to intrude on the conversation, this is totally Sandy's or Insane's to answer. But as for me, I just don't think it looks right. I still don't think that Redtail is Sandstorm's father, even though Viki herself comfirmed it. I'd delete it all if I were you--Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 05:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

You're not intruding, you have just as much right to discuss it as anyone ;D Yeah, though, it is incest, but recently, a lot of the family connections being revealed (even in books) have made slight to major incest... o3o As I said, it doesn't seem right to me, I bet Vicky just made it up on the spot when being asked (which kinda annoys me, but I guess she's the writer). Personally, I'd rather not put it up, but if you guys want to, I won't stop it. ★ Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  14:35, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should put any incest up (like Vicky keeps saying Willowpelt and Patchpelt are Graystripe's parents but their siblings), but if it makes sense some of the things Vicky says then we should put it up. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 19:29, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me, I know I'm not a member of PC, but I'd like to say something. In the feral world, the animals don't particularly care too much if they're related; the chief goal is to survive and reproduce. Even among humans, it used to be common custom to marry your cousin until popular culture shut it out. What I'm saying is that among the cats, they're not going to be too picky about who they mate with, if it means survival of the species and kits. And Graystripe didn't particularly care that Silverstream was RiverClan, did he?

Also, Vicky is the author. Whatever she says goes. We can't just pick out the things she says that make sense and ignore the things that don't. We're an encyclopedia; we state the facts, whether they're crazy or not. If she decides to blow up ThunderClan, then we have to put it here, even though we'd be like "....What?" Of course, it's all up to you, Insane. You are the leader of this project. Your decision. -- Bramble -sama  04:24, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

...Nyeh! I don't like making big decisions. You're right, though, Bramble, it's strange but she's the writer, so she may as well have put it in a book, for our purposes, since we have been using interviews as sources before. I guess we can update the family trees with this, even though it's... odd :P <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:31, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, there's another problem, on Dustpelt and Fernclouds' kits' pages, do we list Dustpelt as their father and Great Uncle, or just their father? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:42, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your right Bramble, but I don't think that that was Vicky's intent though, I think she just got confused. It should be listed once I think, under father. It's like on Birchfall's page, Whitewing is only listed as his mate and not his cousin. We don't really need to show the cat twice on the same page. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 17:24, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind guys, if Dustpelt and Ravenpaw were Robinwing's kits, that would mean that Frostfur and Brindleface are their older siblings. Ferncloud and Ashfur are Brindleface's kits. So, Dusty would be Fern's uncle. I know that Birchfall and Whitewing are second cousins, but that's more distant than uncle and neice. And I think BirchxWhite mating and being second cousins was pure accident. Okay, and unregistered contributer, you're right about cats mating on instinct. At first, the Erins made it like that, the queens in the nursery in Itw probably had more than one mate. But as the series progressed, they figured out that the fans wanted the couples to be based on accual love. Graystripe LOVED Silverstream, that's why he didn't care she was from a different clan. True love people, TRUE LOVE!!--<span style="font-family:Mistral; background:Light Silver; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Deep purple;">Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 18:13, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, let's not let it get too heated :P I already changed the trees, and a few pages, but if enough people feel it may be a mistake we can put something that says it might not be 100% true? (Like a mini version of the "Canon" template), or something? Or do you not feel that much is necessary? I'm just trying to take everyone's opinions into account. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  01:59, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that might be a good idea. Because Viki did put in on her face book page, but I agree that she just made it up on the spot. I think we should either, put on all of Dusty's family's articles that Ravenpaw might be his brother, and Robinwing and Fuzzypelt might be his parents, or make a seperate page that says that--<span style="font-family:Mistral; background:Light Silver; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Deep purple;">Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 03:46, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, on all Dustpelt's descendants there will be an issue. Say, for Birchfall. Do we list Ravenpaw as his Uncle or Grand-uncle? Because he's both!! Should we just make the rule that we always go with the "Closer" relation to list, or something? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that's probably a good idea Insane =) Does anyone have the official name of Vicky's FB page as fiding things on there is a nightmare Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  19:29, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the link to her facebook link. Though, I think you need an account to view the fan page to view all of the questions and ask one yourself. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 21:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I went on the page but I didnt find anything. Does anyone know exactly where to look?-- Ashshadow Rawr :3 21:43, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Sky. I thought that was a pretend erin page... Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  21:57, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a member of the project, but may i say something? I looked at vicky's facebook. I didn't see her answering any warriors related questions-and frankly, i don't see why she should. thank you, I have made my point.--Dragonfrost 01:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

She has, people have just kept asking questons, so the previous ones that were answered are buried. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 01:36, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ryewhisker-Silver
I think Ryewhisker is ready to be nominated to gold. Reason? Because his article has his family and his article is neatly written. His Charart will be approved soon. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; background:aqua; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:fushia;">Icestorm HI! 17:38, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

My opinion is, his article is so small it can barely be called an article. He doesn't even have a picture for the Charart. I don't think he is ready to be a Gold article. --Whitestorm17 17:56, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

His Charart will be approved soon. Small articles still count as articles. He won't even be appear in the later books. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; background:aqua; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:fushia;">Icestorm HI! 18:49, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I need to clear something up: Requirements to be Gold are being already Silver Ranked, having been featured on the Front Page, and being voted in by the members of the project. Ryewhisker is neither silver ranked nor has he been featured, so he can't be Gold. Might I suggest switching this to a silver nomination, if you still think he's ready? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  19:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

OMG. I am such an idiot. So sorry! I changed it to gold, *facepalm* --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; background:aqua; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:fushia;">Icestorm HI! 19:31, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I added to his history a little, is that alright? I felt like it kinda needed a little more imformation--<span style="font-family:Mistral; background:Light Silver; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Deep purple;">Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 19:34, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is alright. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; background:aqua; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:fushia;">Icestorm HI! 19:50, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, his article is awfully short, but you're right that he'll never appear again. I'll leave this up to you guys, since I don't mind either way. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  12:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, why not nominate him and see what people think through the vote. I don't think an article being short should be a reason for keeping it from silver if there is nothing else to add. Just my two pence worth Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  18:09, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, you're right, Sandy. We have Adderkit as silver, after all. He's up for vote now. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  21:04, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Scourge-Silver nomination
I feel Scourge is ready to be nominated to Bronze.I was ready the concerns,and it said family is cited an rise of scourge styff needs shortened.That all i saw for concerns,shurley he is bronze material? '''FirePelt How's the prey running? |undefined 21:35, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Bronze doesn't need to be nominated. An article can be given that status when all of the information has been added. And Firepelt? Please use proper grammar and spelling, otherwise it's difficult to read your posts. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 22:16, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added bronze, btw, how about silver? It is quite detailed. G r  a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 11:50, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking that too, since he's already been featured, for pete's sake. He deserves to be silver. His page is filled and cited. Any objections? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  12:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

He's up for vote, now. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  21:04, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Scourge was missing quite a bit of information in the family section, but it has been added now. Make sure to check for that in the future. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 21:58, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Senior Warriors!

 * As an idea that both Sky and I had, we have decided to implement Senior Warriors into this project. It will be very similar to what they are like in PCA, if any of you are in that project- basically, they are active, esteemed members of the project- almost like other deputies. They can be trusted with important matters if the leader/deputy isn't available, but they will also have other responsibilities; these might be fixing kinks on articles nominated for Silver or Gold, or looking for articles that deserve to be nominated. We might still have to work out some details on that, but see here for info about the nomination process (it's the same as PCA's).
 * Also, I declare Sky a senior warrior from the start. Having been the leader before, it would be cruel not to let Sky be a senior warrior, but even aside from that, Sky is very active and deserves it. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  02:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Insane. :3 I'm sure I can find a few more articles ready for silver status. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 02:24, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Raggedstar - Silver Nomination
Okay, so I'm not sure if I'm doing this right, but I checked his page and everything seems to be in place. I sorted a few gramatical errors to improve writing flow and all family, apprentices and description are cited therefore I think he's ready for silver. Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  21:06, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

I checked over his page, changed the wording of a few places, and removed a few sentences that were more from Yellowfang's point of view. I think he's ready for silver, easily. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  21:19, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Is he up for voting yet? --Whitestorm17 03:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Join?
Can I join? Blacky OMG 2010 IS ON IT'S WAY! 02:20, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yup, I'll add you. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  02:23, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Blacky OMG 2010 IS ON IT'S WAY! 02:24, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thunder/River/Shadow/Windstar name mistake?
Okay, so I was reading the transcript of the Erin Hunter W&W chat from months ago, and There was this question:
 * Scorchtail(Q): In the prologue of Long Shadows, why were the original clan leaders only called by the first part of their names?


 * VickyHolmes(A): Because those were actually their names, and the tradition of adding –star hadn’t yet been thought up. The Clans developed slowly – if you think of all their rituals and practices, it must have taken years to think of them all! – so the original leaders kept their names just as they were. I’d love to do a Super Edition about the very early Clans so we can see how they started to take the shape that we recognize today.

Doesn't that mean that we should change the pages of the original leaders to just their Loner names, since she just said that they didn't have -star names? <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 02:19, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Since you have found proof, I don't see why not... Snowfern Snow! 02:22, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Just transfer all the information over, and then redirect the -star names to the loner ones. It also should be added about why they don't have -star in their name under 'Erin Hunter Chat.' How does that sound? <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 02:31, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

'Kay. I'm on it. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 02:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Should the Second leaders be done the same with? Snowfern Snow! 02:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

No, since we don't know when the tradition started, just that the first four didn't have it. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 02:41, January 8, 2010 (UTC)