Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

question
there's probably something I missed but was it ever proven that rushtail (omen of the stars I think) is the same as rushpaw from battles of the clans? 19:31, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

we've had a discussion earlier for something similiar. Basically, they are both RiverClan, both apprentices at the same time (Battles of the Clans happens around Night Whispers, and Rushtail is an apprentice from The Fourth Apprentice until Sign of the Moon) and yeah, it's incredibly unlikely they are not the same cat. If there was an inconsistency, say from different Clan, then yes they would be different cats but there's not so I think we can consider them as the same cat.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  04:33, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

I still have the question of "where is your proof"? Them existing all around the same time...isn't really proof, man. I realize I'm outnumbered in this, but at the same time, it goes against our rules here to actually have the information listed like it's confirmed, when it's not. You're using things that appear to be coincidences, not actual proof. I said the same thing before, and I'll be saying the same thing now.

I think Rushtail and Rushpaw from Battles of the Clans should be counted as separate cats unless there's some sort of proof I'm not seeing. I mean, the Secrets of the Clans story we know for sure took place Forest of Secrets, when Shadepaw and Silverpaw were listed in the allegiances in the book. Meanwhile, this Rushpaw story has no specific date, and Tanglepaw, Pikepaw, Duckpaw (other apprentices in the story) are exclusive just to BotC and don't featue in OotS, so it's not a completely parallel story. 12:41, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

The only thing we do have concrete proof for is that at least that story does take place after Fading Echoes, due to Mistystar being leader. We, as far as I know, don't have anything else; just because one or two stories take place during a certain time, doesn't mean the rest of them do....and basically I second what Ivybreeze says.

yeah ik it would make sense that they are actually the same cat in the long run but there's also rushtail always being called a tom, while rushpaw is called a she-cat. it's just that I don't think there's enough proof atm. (and probably never will be since rushtail seems to be dead.) 06:01, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean? Rushtail is considered a she-cat and so is Rushpaw. Rushtail is mistakenly called a tom multiple times, but never in Battles of the Clans. I just checked.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:40, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Oh I did research and see now. Rushtail is always called a tom except for in Battles of the Clans where Rushpaw is called a she-cat. Right now, her gender is correct as she is referred to as female more than referred to as male, but since there is an inconsistantcy, I believe that we should separate them out into different characters (and change Rushtail's gender, obviously).Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:01, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Sus cites
I know im not a member to this community that much but i noticed this a couple of days ago while looking up information on characters. All of Sus cites for vickys facebook are gone. Her comments have either been deleted or she deleted her facebook. Which can only mean that you need to get rid of all of sus facebook cites. I understand that it would get rid of a lot of information, but its technically non canon.

Which brings me to another topic. Someone mentioned that the german warriors wiki has screencaps, but i dont think you should use those, simply because if it doesnt exist on facebook, then it technically doesnt exist at all. And that can be taken the wrong way canonically, especially the fact that screencaps can be "faked".

Tldr; you need to take down the su susann citations on facebook CØØKIE (talk) 18:21, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Hello? CØØKIE (talk) 11:51, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

maybe you shouldn't leave messages on Snowed's talk page. I'm sorru nobody answered you, but I feel like it isn't necessary. 19:39, 10/18/2017

True, but they do bring up a valid point. We can't access those cites anymore. This issue does need to be addressed and we can't just brush it under the rug.... if we can't view those Facebook stories anymore, who's to say that we didn't just make them up? (we didn't, but that's not the point I'm trying to make here) Screenshots only hold so much validity.

I feel as if that wasnt meant to be rude but it was very @Broken Foot. What SnowedLightning said CØØKIE (talk) 19:55, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

it wasn't meant to be rude, and I apologize you got that feeling. 20:01, 10/18/2017

Sadly I don't think we can use the Su cites anymore.

I have to agree with what has been said above. As unfortunate it would be to have to remove the information, the fact is that we no longer have Su's original Facebook postings. Even though we have screenshots, there's no way to prove that they are real and that Su said what we say she did if we cannot reference the Facebook posts, and that seems to raise major concerns with considering them valid sources. 23:57, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

I brought up a discussion a few months back about cites and broken links, and it was agreed back then that we could remove cites that had inaccessible / broken links. I see no reason why we should not do the same now, so I am in agreement of removing these broken cites. 15:34, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

I have a bit of an update. I did quite a bit of diggin, and found that Su changed her facebook name to [name removed] with a picture of a derp anonymous thing, and when i messaged her about why she got rid of all her comments, she blocked me. So that just goes to show that everything she has ever said on vickys page should be removed if it isnt already. Because that seems more to me like an immature child who cant handle a simple question. And dont get me wrong i love su, but if vicky has the audacity to answer her fans at times, and she cant? Thats a little silly, dont you think? CØØKIE (talk) 04:35, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Do not post someone's personal information here. Su is not being childish- she probably just didn't want to be contacted about the Facebook issue.

Well sorry i didnt know. But it seems more to me like she doesnt want anything to do with warriors anymore, and if thats the case, she should be disregarded anyway, because she was also never really official, as vicky had said countless times before that she was just a "superfan" CØØKIE (talk) 04:45, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

this isn't a debate on whether or not they're valid, that was held months ago and frankly doesn't need to be brought up again :/. since they're not there anymore, we can't really use them, and that's all this conversation is. 04:49, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

They were valid based on a message Vicky sent to me. That's what we went on. If we cannot access the links, that is why are they invalid, not because Su's the one who answered. Is there some kind of comprehensive list somewhere, or are we just digging through articles?

If they are purposely no longer accessible, then that would mean they are no longer canon. Pure and simple.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:44, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

So do we really even need to continue this discussion, or are we free to remove the invalid links and the information associated with it?

Yeah I think we can remove it now, considering it will be following already set rules.Stealth f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:48, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately removing them is the best option at this point. Sorry, Su and Vicky.

Scrap ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to Broken for working on it before me. Nominating with Broken.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:08, October 17, 2017 (UTC)

i completely forgot about this, but uh, would it be alright if I possibly nominated this myself? After all, i did write the article. If not, thats cool. <span style="">05:38, 10/18/2017

I don't know. I mean, you did start it and that but I expanded it, added quotes and fixed cites and that. So...<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:48, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

so, should we wait for Snowed's approval? <span style="">18:19, 10/18/2017

You two should honestly just share the nomination and both take credit for it. Broken did start the article and shape it, and Stealth, you fixed it up. There's nothing saying that two users aren't allowed to share a nomination. We've done that before.

Alrighty then. Let's share it Broken. Edited top comment.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:25, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

CBV?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:00, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

Pipsqueak ~ Silver Nomination
Cute name.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  03:26, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

Will probably get shot for this, but CBV? I honestly cannot find anything wrong with this article or anything that needs to be fixed. Another excellent job well done, Stealth.

Antpelt
So since the cite that proves the Antpelt being called a ShadowClan cat a mistake isn't viable due to Su not being a reference anymore, shouldn't we split the pages again? Because I'm pretty sure it's an assumption if we continue to keep it how it is.

Yep, this shouldn't even need to be discussed. This is the only viable option.

^<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  08:48, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the Antpelt of ShadowClan should probably be separated out again, and I also think this would apply to Whitetail as well. 01:42, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Yes definitely Whitetail too.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:30, October 24, 2017 (UTC)