Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Previous/Next
Okay, so on the chapter subpages should there be links up at the top of the page, probably under the page numbers, linking to the next and previous chapter in the book? A bit like how there's the preceeded by/followed by bit on the main book pages. I know you could just scroll down to the bottom to find the link, but some of these chapters end up having quite a bit of content in them. 00:23, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind that suggestion, actually. and for lazy people like me who can't be bothered to scroll from here to the moon and back... Anyone else? 05:09, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea, too. And I admit, I'm a lazy bum and would use this. 12:11 Thursday November 29 2012

I'm in support of this. ouo 19:44, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... I like this idea. Could we make a template for it, or, just manually enter the chapters. Personally, I think a template would be easier, unless that's not possible. I'm not exactly sure. Regardless, I /do/ like the idea and think we should use it. Like Leggo, I'm lazy as all hell.

I love this, perhaps a template saying what chapter you're on and whar chapter is before and after. x3 21:36, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, with that ^ why not just make one of those infoboxes so that you just plug in the information, but with the name of the book, then the chapter out of how many, then the pages, then the POV, and then finally the previous and next chapters? Basically, what we already put just in a tidy box. I think that would look nice, although I have nothing against what's already there.

If we don't want to do that I think just putting something like a left-aligned previous chapter, bolded current chapter, and a right-aligned next chapter at the very top of the page or right before the summary. 19:00, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I support this. Totallynotalazyderp. Anyways, a template would probably make things easier, and show us what chapter subpages still need to be made. 21:19, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

(thought I commented on this, derp) Hmm. Since we have a navigation template already in place, I'd say this wouldn't hurt. I see things like this all the time on other wikis, and they'll often have a "previous" and "next" link all the time... Maybe we could incorporate this with the main arcs as well

I'm actually intrigued about the infobox for the chapters, or in other words, I decided to make use of my time and make this.

I can insert the contents into the template, it just won't work in my sandbox, and the title won't say "Atelda" but rather the base page name. It's just an idea. o3o 19:21, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ooooh, I like that idea, 'teldy. I'm totally for it. What about the rest of you guys?

Oooh, I like that, too. -for it- Anyone else? 03:27, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I'm all for it! Would really help the pages seem more organized and be a good way of getting all the info in easily.

Hmm...since there hasn't been any opposition to this, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's okay to continue on with 'teldy's idea. Final calls for comments, anyone? If not, I'm going to ask we implement this idea.

Nomination Limit
Title says it all, guys. I was talking with Leggo, and realized that we don't actually have a set number for this, like PC, PW, and PR do with their nominations. I mean, I don't even think we have a set limit. So, taking into consideration the quote nominations, the subpage nominations, and the article nominations, what should the official limit be?

Leggo and I were thinking between five and seven, since the project is small and honestly, we only have a few active members. Of course, you should really only take on as many nominations as you can handle, and the number above would be a maximum only. Not the number you should have up at a time. I know it seems like a lot, but if you take into account the fact that the subpages don't really take as much time as a character article (  unless you're 'teldy, Duck, or I, and write at a million miles a minute. ilu guys. xD   you should able able to handle more than one at a time.

So, yeah. We were thinking that we should really set an actual limit, that way people are aware how many total nominations they're allowed to have at a given time. This would take into account the quote, subpage, and article nominations, just to remind you. This would also have a vote (I think), and go into the guidelines. Soooo, comments everyone?

And I agree with Cloudy and Leggy on this one. When I joined, I was literally surfing the guidelines like, "Doesn't this project have some sort of nomination limit?" like the other projects did. And I like the number that Cloudy and Leggy came up with. Since I myself was looking for a limit, and the other projects do it, why not?  21:52 Thursday December 6 2012

(Skye you started a sentence at the end of your second paragraph, got into tiny font, and never finished it ouo) But, yes, we already discussed this, and I agree- five-seven nominations per person at a time, at the maximum. And it should go into the guidelines after an approved vote. 05:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shut up, I'll finish it. x.x I'm tired. Yeah, anyways. You got my point, though.

-brofists- ilu2 xD I'd agree to five to seven. In fact, I'd strongly recommend doing five, because it's true that, on average, subpages, quotes, and article nominations take a shorter amount of time, but I'm positive people will max out and not be able to complete all their nominations which makes it a pain in the rump to the leads and sometimes to other users. Seven is fine, but the I'd think it'd be best to have a warning of something like:
 * Users are allowed to have only seven nominations up (nominations including quotes, articles, and chapter subpages) but it is highly recommended you should only have five unless you can handle it. Should a nomination go inactive from a user that has more than five nominations up, that nomination, after a week, shall be declined and archived.

Or something along those lines. Of course, there's also the option where you can limit certain nominations which is also a great possibility. For example:
 * Users are only allowed to have one article nomination (which includes cliffnotes, allegiances, and the book article (or whatever you want to call it) ), three chapter subpage nominations, and three quote nominations.

The numbers are adjustable and it's whatever the project wants, but those are what I think would be best for entering into the guidelines a set number of nominations. 06:07, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

I was actually going to suggest that 'Teldy, having the nomination limit separated for the seperate nominations sounds wonderful, I agree with one article, three chapter subpage and three quote. owo 03:52, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oooh, I like that option a tad more. One article, three chapter subpages, and three quotes sounds like a fair amount to me. Anyone else? 15:40, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well considering how few active PB members there are, and how many chapter subpages need to be done, I personally don't think those should have a limit at all. We have so much to be done, why limit the amount that can get done with the amount of users we have? I like the idea of splitting up the limits on the other kinds of nominations though. 15:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the only thing I do want limited is the amount of normal nominations a user can do at a time, and since there are very few of them that even need to be touched (I think the only ones being the ones for Cloudstar's Journey, and once the Dawn of the Clans books are released...   So yeah, anyways. Perhaps only limiting the normal nominations would be a good idea...and since subpages don't really take all that long to do... Not limiting those might be for the best.

I keep forgetting how small the project's become. .-. ....yeah, I guess not having a limit on subpages would be fine, considering the size of our project, how many need to be done, and the fact they're so simple to do. I like the limits on the other things, but subpages can remain limitless. 17:57, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay what's going on with this, guys?

Mmm....I don't think it'll be okay to not have a limit on the subpages. I mean, yes while there's so many that need to be done and plenty for everyone, I think it may overload the project. Right now even, there are eleven nominations up, and only one out of those eleven have been commented on. I'd rather see people commenting, even just saying "This looks great, I have no critiques" than seeing lackluster silver nominations. Even looking now, a 5-7 limit on subpage nominations seems quite a lot for the lack of activity. 18:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the boost in nominations...well..that certainly changes things. A limit would be nice, now that people are actually nominating things xD The 5-7 limit seems reasonable, and I'm not opposed to it. 03:18, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

(Lol, meeee) I'm not opposed to it either, it's a reasonable limitation~ 23:16, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to it either, and think it's a wonderful idea. I say we go with that, instead of the lacking comments. I'm going to start back up with this after I get full internet back, doing what I can right now

Books With No Praise
In the cases of mangas like Shattered Peace, Into The Woods and their respective sucessors, there is literally no praise. Since the Ravenpaw's Path mangas have been sitting on the concerns lists for some time now for needing praise, I'm wondering whether we should remove them off the list, or use reviews from amazon.com or goodreads.com. Thoughts? 11:28 Mon Mar 11

Hm, well, I think we should use the reviews of Amazon, but depending on who does the actual reviewing, I'm not sure. I think we should remove them off the list if they have no praise x3 (I could check my copies of Warriors Manga to see if they have praise.) 17:00, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

(Bird, you do that...I don't own any of the manga) If there's no praise, I think we should go with the reviews on amazon or goodreads....I mean, rather have at least something over nothing. If no one else likes that idea, I wouldn't mind removing them, either. 03:13, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I checked my Manga's, and they don't have praise anywhere (Except Erin's little summary at the start of them) So I think we should do the reviews on Amazon, but whatever anyone thinks is best. 17:02, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Which reviews are we actually talking about? On amazon, there's the editorial review which dictates nothing about the specific book and then there's the customer's review. I'd rather see the praise removed there's the major issue of picking and choosing which review to represent. It would be completely biased to pick the five star rating, yet it'd be unwise to choose the one-two star ratings. We'd also probably have to go to the author of that review should we finally choose it, and ask if we can use their name on this wiki because we cannot just withhold information to our audience and vaguely explain where this critique was from. I'd rather see absolutely no praise, than go through all the trouble figure out which review to use (which by the way, is not necessarily praise) and then find the author and see if we can willingly use their personal information on this site. 16:48, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure we should really have the praise at all, unless it's found on the physical books themselves, or the HarperCollins website. With the books, they're published and released on a world-wide basis, so using a name or company that we see on there wouldn't require permission, I believe. And with companies like Barnes and Nobel, Borders, Amazon, and eBay, we don't know if the praise is actually praise, or just a review, as they're rarely ever specified. Unless it's specifically stated, I don't think we should use it at all.

Would Erin's little summary count? If it did, that's awesome, if not, then I guess we shouldn't really have praise on the manga's, since review and praise are different (I think, derp ) 20:26, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the summaries count, as it's just a recollection of what happened before, or at least I think that's what that's about. I'm not sure, as I really didn't pay much attention to the graphic novels. I may have them, but I've rarely ever seen any praise for them.

Ah, okay, the graphic novels do not have legit praise then (No harm is asking right x3), I think we should just leave the praise out then. x3 22:58, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, there might be praise out there somewhere, Bird. It's just a matter of finding it, and what counts as praise, and what doesn't. Reviews, imho, do not count as praise, since I think they often cover not just one book at a time. Some of the reviews I've read talk more about a specific arc, or the series in general, and are just repeated multiple times.

Perhaps we should just remove the praise from the articles in general?

I wouldn't object to removing the praise in general, honestly all praise is biased in some way anyway, and if we can't have it on every book article, then we shouldn't have it on some. 04:43, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I just randomly stumbled across this today. I just thought I'd let you guys know that in the publishing world, praise generally refers to comments from respected and reliable sources (e.g. newspapers, other authors, publishers etc.). Therefore I would suggest not using amazon/goodreads reviews unless they are from an official source. I think that if there is 'official' praise for a book then it makes a nice addition to the book article, but there is nothing to stop you from removing the praise section for books where there is none available. It's nice to see this project still going strong. 19:36, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my goodness. Thank you, Sandy~! Praise from you is something that I'm glad we got.

Okay guys, should we go through and check the praise on the articles to make sure that they're from official sources? If not, I think they should be removed. Something along the lines of what's shown on the back of the Warriors books is fine with me, but everything else should be checked and made sure it's reliable.

Sunrise/Chapter 1 ~ Silver Nomination
Whee first nomination I really didn't do much to this, just added a few links, corrected some spelling errors, stuff like that. Comments? 14:42, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I had planned to nominate these after I'd finished nominating all of the Into the Wild ones I did, which is taking awhile. I'd prefer to nominate my work myself, if I could. 15:54, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry. By all means, go ahead. 15:56, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Eh. Nevermind. Go ahead and keep them. Otherwise it'll just take longer. 16:01, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Are you sure? You can have them, if you want. 16:03, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. Go for it. 16:04, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

'Kay, really sorry I haven't exactly caught this on other nominations, but could you vary the sentence structure, please? I know this isn't exactly English class, but the lack of complexity and variation in the sentences really just looses the audience. Basically, the syntax is excessively poor. Lengthen the sentence structure, add in conjunctions, and even to the point of varying the diction. 03:43, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sunrise/Chapter 2 ~ Silver Nomination
Pretty much the same as chapter 1. Comments? 14:58, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

'Kay, once again really sorry I haven't exactly caught this on other nominations, but please give this subpage much better diction and sentence structure as it is drastically lacking thus loosing the audience and simply making it boring. 03:43, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Fire and Ice/Chapter 4 ~ Silver Nomination
I am sorry if this breaks my five nomination limit (Unless it was only for the actual fixing and CBV'ing proces, then this is awkward arg I'm confused) So I'm going to get this one out of the way anyways, comments? 22:28, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 4 ~ Silver Nomination
Turns out Chapter 3 was already done, so here's Chapter 4. Comments?  12:57 Sunday April 14 2013

Please vary the sentence structure and use synonyms for the mundane, cliché words. 03:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

May FA
Okay, so ideas anyone? I think The Lost Warrior would be a good idea. It's pretty stable, and the summary is quite good as well.

I agree with The Lost Warrior being the May FA (Jegus it was the beginning of April a few weeks ago time goes fast)  15:27, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

The Lost Warrior is fine with me. =) 04:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

The Lost Warrior looks good. 19:59, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I like ''The Lost Warrior. ''It's fine by me.  21:50 Sunday April 21 2013

Are there any objections? If not, I'd like to put up the vote tomorrow. So, speak now, or hold your tongue, guys.

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 5 ~ Silver Nomination
Here's another, so, any comments?  23:11 Tuesday April 23 2013

Joining Request
Hello! My username is .Jasmine555., but most people call me Jasmine. I would like to join this project. I have already created two pages for Eclipse's subpages: Eclipse/Chapter 2 and Eclipse/Chapter 3. .Jasmine555. (talk) 19:24, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hai Jasmine! Of course you can join, but I suggest you look at the Guidelines and read them over, they're very helpful~  19:28, April 24, 2013 (UTC)