Warriors Wiki talk:World

Citations on the Events Timeline
Alright, I need to point this out.

Half of the Events Timeline is made of pure assumption.

A lot of the citations say something like "the river was icy" to proove that a cat was born in the winter, when rivers can be icy in late autumn and early spring. I see a bunch of citations without any page numbers listed.

For instance, citation #4: "Thistleclaw, Sweetpaw, and Rosetail are born two moons after Bluekit and Snowkit, making it late Newleaf when they're born" We don't know it was the first moon of Newleaf when Bluekit and Snowkit were born, and thus can't substanciate that Thistlekit and his siblings were late newleaf.

There are almost no normal citations on this page consisting of book and page number only.

I think that the citations on this page could really use some investigation and revision. Basically, the entire page needs to be revised. And that falls to this project to take care of. 20:33, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * At the absolute least the fact that this page is conjecture-based rather than provable fact based needs to be addressed at the top in a warning box styled thingy. Half of that page probably isn't even correct, because it's mostly guesswork, and conjecture has a tendency to be proven wrong when better information (or actual fact) comes to light. The article needs a definite review to make sure every citation has a page number that at least proves the source of the conjecture, if not conjecturing being outlawed (as it is on the /rest/ of the wiki) or rules for the exception being written and outlined on the articles talk page (to clarify that this article does not comply with "no proof-no inclusion" rules). 20:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I agree it needs kind of a revision. I've been talking to teldy about that for a while and finally got the example for what I was telling her about here. I still need to make a template for the double cites so it's easier, and make a minor edit to the reflist template so it's able to have group names, but it gives you a basic idea at least. 21:26, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also on the topic of the Events Timeline, I'm just curious, will a new timeline be made for the next series of books? It'll be a bit far flung from the current timeline to include unless we're told specifically how many years pass between the beginning of the Clans and Crookedstar's Promise. 22:59, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

So are we going to rebuild the whole thing or try to find correct citations that actually say what season it was? Either way, I can help with that. --Starry Hawk My Talk!  23:04, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's a good "template" Paleh, I think it could work once it's ready. And Starry, we are basically going to revise the page and fix the citations with page numbers etc. 09:31, 04, 06, 2012

Hey, it's me. I was checking in on the wiki and I naturally came to PW. :) I would like to point out that the Detailed Events Timeline has appropriate references for Crookedstar's Promise and Bluestar's Prophecy (I hope :)) and that you could take some of the references from there for those two books. Thanks, 04:03, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Good point Squirrel (and good to know you're doing okay :)) any correct references on either timelines could help with fixing the references for the opposite timeline. 08:59, 14, 06, 2012

So are we in agreement that the timeline should be changed? I've finished the cite in a cite template, and Lightning has helped make the reflist template work, so everything's ready to start changing the page if we all agree. 06:13, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I think we should make a start on this. 02:38, 30, 06, 2012

I agree too. =3 06:14, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Some parts of the article are indeed in a poor state, especially the Crookedstar / Bluestar and the OOTS sections. First of all, there should be references to the seasons (e.g. where it is revealed that it was summer when Sol returns to the clans? references to vegetation, long days etc).

Also, we agreed that the Events Timeline should list only major events (as a brief list) and major characters. No need to add lengthy descriptions, minor things, minor characters - there is the Detailed Timeline for that.

On the other hand, I wouldn't say that "only those are normal citations that contain book and page number." We should aim for those of course, but in some cases an information can be confirmed even if there is no exact statement in the book (for instance, it can be seen that Warrior's Refuge takes place in summer, even if nowhere says "it is summer"). The purpose of the article is to show the succession of major events in the Warriors saga and universe, which is a very useful information, but I doubt we can find hard references for everything, as I suspect even the authors did not pay much attention to it.

Kind regards, 19:48, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Alright Helix, we'll keep that in mind. Everyone seems to be in agreement here, so can we implement this? 01:40, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Well with no one objecting, let's do it. :3 01:50, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be fine with that, keeping in mind that things like "it's stated that the river is icy" is by no means proof that it's winter. 01:52, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

We can't only accept things clearly saying "it's greenleaf" or something. I think something like icy rivers would be a good enough cite, but saying it's warm out wouldn't. The river's only ever icy in the winter, but it's warm plenty of other times. I thought Kit said something about the no proof no inclusion rule not fully applying to this page? 02:01, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

If nothing else, for cites like that we can simply make it say Implied rather than Revealed on questionable cites. 02:03, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

So you're saying that it never snows in early spring or late autumn? It does. It is not a valid citation for the time of year. You need something a bit more solid than that. If we're going to use citations like that, we need a big disclaimer on the page stating that the information presented is based partially on assumption, something that is not meant to be present on this website. 02:42, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm for the disclaimer thing. If we keep only events with exact references, we should remove 80% of the entries, rendering the page useless. 19:07, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Horse ~ Silver Nomination
Me luffs horses<3333 Anyways, comments? 17:15, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think this needs the Description and Relation to Clan cats sections. 17:27, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Add in some links and possibly flesh out Crookedstar's Promise a little bit. 04:53, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Also, could you find some cites for the description of the animal? owo 04:56, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Wait - for the description section that I need to add, should it just be an expanded version of the begining paragraph of the article? 19:09, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think. 19:12, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I would check out the Wolf article's description if you need to refer off of something. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. However, I didn't add anymore cites to the beginning paragraph (that small description) because there was a cite for each sentence already. 05:24, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Detail the history, cite "Relation to Cats", and cite the description. Good job. 15:58, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

A lot of cites come from wikipedia, since wikipedia has references too, could you take those cites and replace them with the wikipedia cites on the article? 04:18, 13, 07, 2012

I sthere anything you could add to CP? 03:39 Mon Jul 16

Still working on this? o3o 08:00, 02, 08, 2012

No, I'm withdrawing. x3 08:59, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose I could take over. x3 08:18, 13, 08, 2012

Go ahead. 16:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Still working on this? 16:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, I'm going to work on something else. x3 02:25, 19, 08, 2012

River Alba - Silver Nomination
Alright, I've been working on expanding this for awhile tonight. I'm surprised that it isn't mentioned as much as I thought it would be o-o Anywho, comments? 00:09, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Can you cite the end of '"Dark River? 00:14, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Expand the history and add something in the description about River Alba being called River Alba by Twolegs. 00:18, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I've been trying to expand it as much as I can. I can't find any exact descriptions about the river itself anywhere else. But I'll keep looking. 14:05, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add a description section? 16:07, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Splook might not be able to work on this until she comes back - see Thunder on the approval page for more information. 10:40, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm back now and ready to update this. -scurries off- 17:39, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've added a small despcription. I can't really find any good descriptive facts about the river. e.e 17:45, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

See if you can add anything more to the description and location sections. 09:55, 13, 08, 2012

Done. 00:11, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 16:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to inturupt, but on the talk page, it says it needs subsections for mythology and location. I don't think you have a mythology subsection. Could you add one? 16:57, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there's any mythology for the river o.o 18:00, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cross ot off on the talk page please. 18:05, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Got it. 03:20, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Re-CBV? 09:47, 21, 08, 2012

Template for Warrior Code?

 * I was talking about this and another user in chat, and I am here to propose that The Warrior Code gets a template for the rules. (Or the rules broken.) The Warrior Code is very important to the Clan cats' life, and important to the life of a Clan in general. It has been around for generations and generations and right now, the list of rules is bare. A template would help it. So, comments? Disagreement/agreement? Suggestions? 02:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

A template could work. :3 Any ideas for how it could be setup? I personally like this idea. 06:01, 11, 07, 2012

A rough suggestion is something that looks like the Allegiances template - but maybe we could use something more colorful? 17:44, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. Maybe it could have the rules and the characters who broke them. I would also say that they could list what book they were established in but all of them (I think) were made in CotC. 16:05, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe it could include what story it was established in? 16:08, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds good. 17:51, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, sounds like a plan. Perhaps we could mention any changes in that rule, which cats have broken it and when, and the origin of the rule. :3 04:28, 13, 07, 2012

Sounds great DJ, Chez, and Icy. -- 04:29, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.-- 12:44, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I really like this idea. I think it should have What story it was established in, the changes, when/if it was broken, and if the cat(s) who broke it got punished. (Basically all that was said above) This idea will definatly spruce up the bare page. Great idea Appledash! And Skye ;) 03:29 Mon Jul 16

Well since it seems as though everyone agrees on making a template, I think a more active conversation would start if there was an actual draft of the template so we can choose on what to add or what to remove. =) P.S. 'Teldy can't do much because she's really busy x.x 03:59, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should discuss what the "draft" should look like. I've been thinking about a box with sections and it could be a gradient blue...or just a regular blue. I like gradient, better. x3 ;_; 03:35, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

The Island ~ Silver Nomination
Looks good to me, comments? 10:48, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ffff, you stole my nomination. Anyways, add more things to the description and cite it, and detail Eclipse, Long Shadows, and Sunrise. 16:16, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can you detail/expand SotM? 05:05, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 23:52, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and I've expanded the three PO3 books Icy asked me too and expanded SoTM I wish I actually had SoTM though, would've made things a lot easier x.x 09:09, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add anything more to the description? 07:39, 04, 08, 2012

No, sorry, I can't add anymore. I tried looking for more about the Island's description, but I cannot find anything more than what's already on the article. 09:53 Wed Aug 8

This needs an Ultimate Leader Election: Firestar section. 21:56, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Still workinn on this? 16:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

If anyone is working on this, are you sure that the description can't be detailed? I'm pretty sure the island was described in Twilight. 17:13, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Could you also detail Long Shadows a bit? 17:49, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

I can take this over if Berry isn't working on it anymore. 18:40, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Resignation
Please read this. Thank you. 16:27, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

We'll miss you, Moon! 16:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

The Mossy Clearing - Silver Nomination
Been working on this for a while yet, everything looks good, but I'm working on adding more cites and sentences to the description. Other than that, comments? 17:02, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you find any mentions at all in the Omen of the Stars series? 05:18, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Add a reference to the intro, and expand the Uses section as well as Description. <span style="">07:26, 04, 08, 2012

Are there supposed to be refs in the history? 00:44, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Splook, it's never mentioned as "mossy clearing". DJ, I'll work on that. Sweet, yes. 01:11, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fill in the source tag. 02:44, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 17:53, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Think you can add a cite at the end of the last sentence in the introduction, Uses, and Description areas? 16:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Policy Overhauls
Hey all.

As a few of you already know, I've been writing up proposed overhauls of this wiki's policies. I need as much input from as many people as possible to perfect these policies in ways that suit the entire community, so I'm posting this message in every project in the hopes that some of you will be interested in effecting the rules we live by here.

So, if you're interested in helping out, please come here and leave your thoughts.

Thanks! 15:14, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Cats
Hi guys, and unless I haven't noticed, there isn't an article about cats, the animal (to be completely exact).

Why don't we create a page about Cats - i mean, we have Horse, Wolf, ect, so why not cats? I mean, the Clans are made up of feral cats, the kittypets are cats, and so on. x3 Basically, the series is about cats and their adventures or so. It might as well make sense to create a page about cats. =3 Thoughts, comments? 09:01, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Lol. We don't have an article for the main animals of the series x3  We probably should make a page for Cats. If we don't, what's the use of the articles for horses and wolfs? o3o <span style="">09:10 Mon Aug 6

I think we should, it is the main animal and it wouold probably be a good idea :3 01:23, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Earlier in my Wiki life, I was hesitant about creating it, because we already knew what cats were, but if we created the article and described a bit about their senses and stuff cats can't do in real life but can do in the books and more, I'm for it. 01:26, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm all for it, we've got articles on minor animals, and cat's is what the whole series about, so I don't see why not. x3 <span style="">06:11, 07, 08, 2012

Mhmm. 16:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Should we discuss how the article would be structured? 20:22, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Probably the way the other animals are. But in their blue box, take out the relation to cats section. Do we need a history section? Because they're on every single page... 20:58, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should layout the article the same way the other creature articles are structured, but without the relation to cats and history section as Sweet mentioned. <span style="">03:15, 19, 08, 2012

Well, one thing we know is that the article is going to needs a description, opening sentence, the needed templates, and references. However, since cats are well, the main animal of the series, I think that maybe the article should be given details about anatomy, senses, and perhaps genetics. Oh, and stuff about like classifying feral cats, stray cats, ect. xS 18:31, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rogue - Silver Nomination
I am going to add more Canon rogues to that section. I cited some information. Comments? <font color="#EF4035">Rain <font color="#FFF797">bow   <font color="#007FB2">Fli  <font color="#6D1F7E">ght  18:33, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

There is a souce tag that needs to be filled and see if you can cite more in the description section. <span style="">06:10, 14, 08, 2012

I think this may also need a history section since I believe it's categorized as a group. 16:37, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

I want to work on this more, then put it back up. <font color="#EF4035">Rain <font color="#FFF797">bow   <font color="#007FB2">Fli  <font color="#6D1F7E">ght  22:14, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. 16:48, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

September FA
LeopardClan, General Clan Information, Whispering Cave, Beech copse, Prey-stone, Beaver, The Pack and Highstones have all been suggested. I wouldn't mind seeing Whispering Cave up in my personal opinion. x3 Also, let's try and not suggest more until we get some of these done unless you think there's one absolutely golden article that has to be suggested. ;) 21:05, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I like Prey-stone and Whispering Cave. =3 21:08, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

I like The Pack and the Moonstone. 21:14, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Whispering Cave <33 01:59, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

All these articles are good, but Beech copse, The Pack and Highstones are my personal favourites. :3 <span style="">04:23, 16, 08, 2012

Fourtrees ~ Silver Nomination
I'll get started on expanding the history tomorrow. Bluestar's Prophecy can't be expanded anymore. Other than that it looks good. Comments? 21:24, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add another cite to the first sentence? 17:11, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

The cite is put in, expanding is almost done. 17:31, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded to the max. I managed to expand FQ and CP by quite a bit though. 18:07, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

This needs a description section with the appliable sub-headings. You can take some of the intro into the description to make the intro more spoiler-free too. <span style="">03:24, 19, 08, 2012

The Mountains
OK, so pardon me if this has been discussed before, but why don't we have a page for the mountains? We have one for almost every other location, even very minor ones. So I think we should have a page for the mountains, they played a major part in Moonrise, Outcast, and Sign of the Moon, they also were mentioned or played a part in quite a few other books. Anyways, comments? owo 05:43, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that that Mountains should get an article. It's a location, and we have to provide good info on them as well as characters owo. <span style="">06:09 Wed Aug 22

I agree, the Mountains are a location like any other, quite major actually, therefore they deserve to have their own page just like the other locations. <span style="">09:41, 22, 08, 2012

I agree. It's major, home of the Tribe, and the Great Journey goes over it.-- 12:58, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I also agree, it plays a major role in the beginning of the NP arc. 18:16, August 22, 2012 (UTC)