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Longtail
I'm pretty sure everyone's getting tired of this, but the amazing and awesome Jayie has directed me towards some information that could be really useful. We all know the issue surrounding Longtail and his pelt color.. it's often argued whether or not it's silver or brown. Both pelt colors have cites for Rising Storm, with the silver cite coming about 50 pages prior to the brown cite. However, Kate, the author of Rising Storm, says this when asked about Longtail's pelt coloring:


 * I always imagine tabbies as brown; I suspect Cherith imagines them as silver; which is why we see "tabby" in the storyline, we each pick out "normal" tabby. So, according to me, he is brown.

Given that Kate also wrote the book where Longtail is introduced, Into the Wild, and she also wrote the book where both the brown and silver descriptions are, wouldn't Kate's word put the description for Longtail as brown, not silver? Technically, we have two strikes for brown, and one for silver, because we've used an author's word for descriptions before.

I think that since we have more cites for Longtail being brown than we do for him being silver, we should probably go with the brown. But that's just me. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:45, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I think the authors are divided on this. I think if the books specifically calls him 'brown' (not just a tabby) more than silver, than go for it.-- 21:28, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the actual books after the Original Arc still call him silver more often, though. 23:51, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

duck you're gonna need more cites for that, though 23:57, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, please bring some cites for that, Duck. Because I've only ever seen him called silver once, and that's in Rising Storm...

Just to say, but in the manga thingy behind Bluestar's prophecy, he was shown as pale. But if he was meant to be a brown tabby then I'd say just change his description. 04:32, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

They're graphic novels, and regardless, we can't tell what color he is, since it's grayscale. Those aren't used to back up/contradict a description, unless they're like Lionblaze or Lionheart, both of whom are cited tabbies and are shown without those stripes.

Can I get comments on this? Duck hasn't brought cites yet to support him being called silver more, so I count 2-1 in favor of brown, honestly.

I looked at both cites for brown and silver, something to note. Both are in Rising Storm:

…Next to Longtail’s silver tabby back. Pg. 268

“Longtail,” he meowed, pausing briefly beside the brown warrior. P.g. 306.

I have an idea actually, what if we put him as both silver and brown? Or even silver-brown. Sorta like this. 07:38, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

or you can use the switch brackenfur has and be done with it. 11:13, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

I think he should be brown if Kate confirmed it and he has a cite, but a switch should do for the art. 00:10, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's confirmed to be Longtail or not, but the cover of the old Rising Storm shows a brown cat with a nicked ear, and a family member of mine suspects it's Longtail, since Longtail received that nicked ear back in Into the Wild. 21:39, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's Sandstorm, I'm not sure. 00:12, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

It's unconfirmed anyway. I have another idea: If you look at the quotes above for brown and silver, it lists that he has a silver tabby back. Maybe he is brown, but with a silver back underneath the black stripes. I think that works well. 02:47, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Just add a secondary description and I think it's done tbh 02:59, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments? I think going with the text and Erin's word is the best thing. Erin and the text say he is brown, and the text says he has a silver tabby back. I think we'll change his description to brown and add that he has a silver tabby back and the leave the rest for PCA. Does everyone agree with that? 05:51, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I doubt he has a silver tabby back... If Kate says he's brown then he's brown, and silver is another completely different description. imho 06:08, April 4, 2015 (UTC)

I don't actually think adding the silver tabby back thing is a good idea- it seems like combining citations. It would be like adding white to a black cat-, especially one that's been made clear to be black. Silver and brown are nothing alike. Having a brown version and a silver version with a toggle would be perfect, imho. All PCA would have to do is color tweak the images and have alts, which is extremely easy.

Is it agreed that Longtail is brown? 00:46, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

I say he is brown, but I'm still a bit leaning with the silver tabby back though.

The silver tabby back thing makes no sense, though. It's combining descriptions that have nothing to do with each other....

how about an image toggle? for silver tabby and brown tabby - we can just keep the silver tabby ones we have now and then we can have brown tabby ones made?? 12:41, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. While silver was apparently used first, brown is his official description, judging by what Kate says.

have we come to an agreement on this? 00:31, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

I believe so. 00:41, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yes go ahead. I'm definitely outvoted with the silver back part. -- 05:11, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

A question- would his images be tweaked to be brown or will new ones be made? 09:02, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

I would say new ones will be made and the silver ones kept as alts. 09:04, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

That is for charart group to decide so bring it up there. Right now, can someone adjust his description and trivia? My computer is too slow. maybe we can list the reason why we have decided he is brown in the trivia, just to avoid confusion and less likely for people to change it back. 04:16, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Done. I think this'll work- there is a lot of drama regarding his pelt color (mainly due to us using brown as default tabby coloring and due to some fandom things), so I think what's said would be good. In this case, we are taking Kate's word as priority and such.

Yep that looks great. I'm also glad in the description, you used the website as the link and not the book. I think that's a good idea too. 20:23, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Willowbreeze - kittypet
I think Willowbreeze needs a kittypet rank. It was clear that she lived the life of a kittypet for sometime. If Tallstar got a kittypet rank for staying with the twolegs for a little time, she should too. *shrugs* 09:48, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you, but let's see what others think. 23:05, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think both of them shouldn't be kittypets, I mean, none of them were really kittypets, they were just prisoners and Tallstar only ever got into the house because he needed medical attention. 00:44, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Tallstar stayed inside the house for a fairly decent period of time, accepted their help, and basically lived there with Jake for a bit. If we gave Jake a loner/rogue image for living the life of a loner and rogue, then what makes Tallstar any different?

I disagree. Willowbreeze did not willingly stay with Twolegs. Qualify how long she "lived the life of a kittypet", because from my understanding, it was maybe a day if not less. 02:06, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Tallstar did not willingly stay with the twolegs either, the twolegs only ever captured him to cure his bellyache, if he gets his kittypet rank, then Willowbreeze should, since the twoleg's intention there was clearly to capture her and keep her as their house cat. However, I don't think any of them should get their ranks, because they were never kittypets. 02:54, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Graystripe nevet stayed willingly. He got the KP image because of how long he stayed, I think.

Graystripe was considered their house cat, and he lived the life as a kittypet and was considered one. Tallstar didn't, all he did was to recieve care from a Twoleg and sleep in a kittypet bed, for the whole time, he wanted to escape, and wasn't really considered a kittypet by anyone. It's basically repeating Willowbreeze, she was captured, and lived the life of a kittypet too for a short while. If Tallstar gets his rank, then she should, because the situation she was in fits Tallstar's situation perfectly. I don't think either should get their ranks, because they were never actually kittypets. 03:53, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

do we even know the twolegs intended to make her a kittypet? all they did was put her in a cage. they werent even in a house or anything, and they could have intended to euthanise her for all we know. i cant speak for tllstar because i never read his SE, but for willowbreeze i dont think she should get one.

If Willowbreeze gets one for Twolegs capturing her/caring for her briefly, then Leafpool, Brightheart, Owl Eyes, Pebble Heart, and Sparrow Fur would get them as well, but they were never official kittypets and so should not receive a kittypet rank. 20:32 Mon Mar 9 2015

Official or unofficial, they're treated as kittypets, I think they get it. 06:32, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

how on earth is being stuffed into a cage being treated as a kittypet? 06:37, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly. Neither Tall or Willow should get it, imho. 07:45, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... If she doesn't get this rank, I think Tall shouldn't have either, tbh. I agree with burnt. 10:29, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I doubt she'd be considered a kittypet. Like Skt said- stuffed into a cage isn't being a kittypet. Also, she didn't stay there for very long. Idk about Tall, however. 15:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tallstar got it, I believe, because he fits the qualifications for a kittypet- it's not that he is one, it's because he fit it. I think there's a list somewhere (not sure where it is off the top of my head) that determines this.. I'll see if I can find it.

Well then basically Willow should get it- she was living as one too. She ate kittypet food and played with their house folk. I'm sorry, but I still don't think Tall should get it, just because he slept in a kittypet bed one night and got stuck in the house because they wanted to treat his bellyache doesn't mean he should get the rank. 00:07, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Being held captive isn't the same thing as being kittypet, though? She was forced to do those things, and unlike Graystripe, wasn't there for an extended period of time.

Okay, I just checked CP...and she was with them for maybe a day, if that. Sorry, but I really don't think that's long enough to be considered a kittypet.

If Tall gets it, she should, imo. Tall was forced to do those things too, and he still got it. Regardless, I still think none of them should get it. They were never kittypets. 00:33, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Agreeing with Burnt. 00:23, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Is it agreed or not? 04:54, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Tallstar was treated like a kittypet, he was kept after he recovered from that food poisoning, and the Twoleg definitely planned to keep him longer. Didn't it say in a guide book that RiverClan cats are sometimes taken by Twolegs to become kittypets? That sounds like Willowbreeze's case, it's just she was rescued. 05:29, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Do we know that? We don't know what the twoleg was thinking. Being captured for medical care isn't a kittypet. 06:20, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Agreeing with Burntclaw. We can't just assume the Twolegs wanted them to become kittypets. Neither of them should get the rank. Being captured for a day or two doesn't make you a kittypet. 12:38, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Is it agreed that they both don't get kittypet ranks or something? 07:57, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

No it isn't, we ned more opinions. 11:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think they both get kittypet ranks. They were treated like kittypets, (kept in a house, fed food, Talltail using the litterbox) so they were kittypets. 22:04, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly- they fit the qualifications. It didn't matter if they were considered actual kittypets or not. They lived as such (even for a brief period of time), and even Leafstar got one, despite not considering herself a kittypet in the least.

Uh Leafstar was called a kittypet, but they weren't- they were just shut up in a house for a day or two... 08:15, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

willowbreeze was never seen with food or anything else, if I remember correctly. she was only seen in a cage, therefore she at the least shouldn't get an image. 08:21, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Whatever the Twoleg's intentions were, she lived the life of a kittypet for a bit. I think that counts. 20:36, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Spoiler Tag
I am glad that the spoiler tag has been moved up for Brightheart and Briarlight at least. I'm just noticing that a lot of main quotes, not just the these two cats, give big spoilers. Most of the time, even the name of the character is a very good spoiler. I think the spoiler tag needs to be moved up to above the main quote. 08:12, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Mmhmm, I say move it. I'm totally up for it and would gladly help with that. Some of these quotes are really iffy and there's no point in changing the quotes tbh- they're main ones for a reason.

Schmeh, radical idea here, not really, but do we still need the spoiler tags? 17:26, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Definitely! Spoiler tags warn that this will contain spoilers. At least the history points out which spoilers it has. 21:02, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say go for it, do you want me to start now? 07:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe let's wait a bit longer for other people to comment. 23:49, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure anyone else is going to comment, so I would think going ahead and moving things would be a good idea.

Alright let's do it. 06:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Descriptions alongside toggles
ok this has been bugging me for a while now, but since we use toggles for characters like brackenfur and mapleshade, I don't get why we don't list the secondary description alongside it? it's not that hard to have the second description below the normal one just saying 'brackenfur is also frequently described as a ginger tom'. it saves the confusion of having to bloody look everywhere for the reason for the toggle, too. 15:04, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

It would make loads of sense, especially in Mapleshade's case- she's called ginger-and-white and a tortie multiple times; Mapleshade's Vengeance has her as ginger-and-white. Might prove useful to add the alternate descriptions.

hi can we get some input on this 03:03, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. It avoids any confusion and such. Just make sure if we do that, have the main charart image switch between the official and alt images. 00:01, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Is anyone else going to comment on this?

I guess it'd be safe to go ahead and do that 00:47, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

How would we do it is my question. Do we put the secondary description below the official one of something? And what sort of coding are we looking at? If we are anyway. 20:36, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

We could put "Mapleshade is a [insert ginger-and-white description]. She is also very frequently described as a [insert tortiseshell-and-white description here]." What order it goes in doesn't quite matter, I think, since with Mapleshade's description, it's fairly equal for either description. There's no extra coding or anything- the toggle is already built into the charcat template.

Holiday
I'll be going on holiday from tomorrow until May 12th. I will have my laptop so I'll still be around but I won't have all my warriors books and activity will slow down. I know I'll be busy so I'll jump on when I can. 04:08, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

I'm back! 07:57, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Harveymoon ~ Silver Nomination
I think after I am done, we might need to change the content drive. Comments? 02:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 04:26, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Vote's up! 07:57, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Join
Can I join this?

Can you put your siggie up please? Just put four ~. 20:36, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Suggestion
I think since the amount of articles to nominate is winding down, perhaps more articles with unwritten sections could be brought to attention? Perhaps people could collaborate together to write it out. What do y'all think? 01:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

A lot of silver/gold pages do have uncompleted sections. How would we do this? 05:38, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Demote them. I think that would bring them to attention. 11:41, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

No, don't demote them. .-. Make a list or something along those lines of the ones that need completeing, and then tackle it from there. I have off work until Saturday, so I'm gonna crack down a bit later today and get to writing some of the ones from Dawn of the Clans.

Midgepelt ~ Silver Nomination
Final article from Mapleshade's Vengeance to go, comments? 05:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if that cat in the book is actually Midgepelt - Mapleshade only thinks it's him. Just gonna point it out. 09:50, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I did think about that I think there is a reasonable amount of evidence. He matches everything in the allegiances and with this book, it looks like they are making sure there is no allegiances only characters. We can discuss about this if people disagree but this is what I think. 23:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 04:26, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Vote's up! 07:57, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sandgorse ~ Silver Nomination
So stubborn that cat, so that's where Tallstar gets it. 05:59, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 04:26, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Vote's up! 07:57, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Brightheart
Now that the spoiler tags are being moved up, I think it's okay to put in Brightheart's injuries in her description. What are your thoughts on this?--Songheart (talk) 14:57, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Songheart

Yep perfectly okay. I think it's there already....? 23:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Question
I have a problem with the dark forest affiliations. Why do they get it listed under an affiliation while starclan doesn't? Unless I'm missing something it doens't seem right. 18:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's there because the Dark Forest tried to make a little Clan of themselves, and it's more of a big deal in the books. 23:42, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, good point. They actually clearly made ranks and mentors and apprentices and things like that... StarClan was just there.