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Chronology
This was briefly brought up in Brambleclaw's nomination, and I remember we had discussions about it a long time ago, although I don't remember if there was a consensus, and it is not mentioned in PC tutorials. In History sections, should we keep a certain order of books (e.g. Special-OS-NP-...), or rather a chronological order (e.g. OS-FQ-NP-...)? I'd vote for the second one, as "history" in general is supposed to present events in the order of their succession, but I'm looking forward for your opinions. :) Kind regards, 18:23, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like it the way it is now (Special, OS, NP, ect.). However, something needs to be done about FQ and SD, as they may reveal spoilers later on. 18:46, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like the second one myself. But it may be hard to incorperate the mangas into it. 20:07, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are right, the mangas may over-complicate things for some characters. 20:20, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I prefer the way it is now, like Oblivion. I just think that it basically looks better that way, to be honest. XD 22:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm...Helix does have a point, but I still agree with Oblivion and Frostheart. I like the way it is now and I don't think anything should be done about it. First of all, I don't know about you, but reorganizing the order of the 1,000-some articles on here may take a long time. Second, when do the Field Guides come in? 22:33, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, they come in wherever they fit in regarding the plot... e.g. if SotC presents a story taking place before the OS, then it comes before the OS... if it presents a story between NP and PO3, it comes between NP and PO3... :) and I don't think we should reorganize more than a dozen articles as few cats appear in multiple series + guides + manga. In any case, it's just an idea; and it has both positive and negative things. 23:26, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

As of now, the order is; Special Editions, OS, NP, PO3, OTS, Field Guides, Mangas, and then Short Stories. In my opinion, it should stay that way. 00:12, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Whitestorm. The book orders are fine the way they are now. 10:40, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Helix:I now understand where the Field Guides would come in; thank you! :) But still, considering the fact that the majority of users like the way it is now, including me, I'm thinking there is no reason to change the order. They look neat and organized the way they are now, and I believe it should be kept that way. 01:55, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I still stand by my opinion. I understand my choice seems like the unpopular one, but shouldn't hisory be in order? I have no problem with the format we are currently using, but I think it would only make sense if the books were in order. 22:12, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would make sense in order, but it might get confusing and look unorganized if that happens, but we should try it the second way (in my opinion). -- 22:15, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I was looking at some character articles and I would like to change my opinion slightly. I believe that the Super Editions should come after OOTS. I think the main reason they got placed there was because BP comes before OS, and they just got stuck there. It seems like a good idea to me. However, please, nobody change the order on any articles until we come to a conclusion about the order. Thank You. 22:12, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

I still stand by my choice--to keep it before the OS. However, if we decide to put it after the Original Series, I wouldn't mind. Though, I don't feel as if should go after OOTS. For some reason-and I tested this out on a character page (without saving, of course), it just looks odd and messy after the OOTS series. It might be because I am used to it other ways. But anyways, my opinion doesn't voice for everyone else. =) 05:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Any other opinions guys? 00:12, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Though this is not an opinion, what is the final result? To keep it the way it is now, after OOTS, or after the OS? 04:07, November 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * "SE should come after OOTS" - this would mess up the chronological order (which was the point of this topic) even more... in this case we'd better keep everything how it was.


 * My suggestion for the SE (sort of a compromise) - if the cat had its major appearance in BP (like Bluestar), then the SE should come before the OS; if the cat had its major appearance(s) in FQ/SD (like Sandstorm), the SE should come between OS and NP.


 * Kind regards, 19:02, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Helix, that is kind of what is was like before, but it kind of dissolved and it just ended up before OS. We can try that, but it might be difficult to change every article, and I don't how effective it will be. 22:49, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

So, Have we reached a conclusion? To leave the books the way they are? 22:24, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree; leave them. 22:30, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I agree as well. If there are no comments in three days, I will archive this. 17:40, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

LionClan/TigerClan
This is something I have noticed and thought I should bring it up here. On most character pages, TigerClan and LionClan are both listed as affiliations. In my opinion, LionClan should not be listed as an affiliation. The reasoning behind my point is, ThunderClan and WindClan were both members of LionClan. However, they never lived in the same place, shared prey, patrolled borders together, or do anything that a regular Clan would do. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but they "made" themselves LionClan the day before the battle against BloodClan. So, the question is, should LionClan be listed as a past affiliation? I am looking for opinions from all users.

Another thing, on the articles, Darkstripe and Whitestorm, the current affiliations are TigerClan and LionClan, respectively. This is listed that way, because they died during the battle. However, should that be included in the articles? Personally, I think that Whitestorm's should be changed to ThunderClan, but keep Darkstripe's the same, for the same reasoning as above.

Also, one more thing! :) Should we include Category:LionClan (Modern) Cat and Category:TigerClan (Modern) Cat on character articles? I think we should, because that is showing which side they fought on during the battle.

So, please list your opinions for each of these items. I hope to come to a consenus soon. 00:23, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. LionClan shouldn't be listed as an affiliation. They were basically two Clans formed together to just destroy TigerClan and BloodClan--basically almost like an ally. And we should include the category on character articles. Basically agreeing with eveything you said. XD 00:27, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I forgot this detail. :) And I do believe that Whitestorm's death should be changed to ThunderClan--as he was technically fighting for ThunderClan. I can't honestly explain it, but it's pretty much the same thing you said. XD 03:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since the two concepts are kind of inseparable, we should either mention both or none in the allegiances. I vote for none, as these were alliances and not real Clans, even if they lived and acted so for a short while. Technically, the cats did not leave their Clans to willingly join a new Clan. As for the categories, they are redundant as they pretty much just duplicate the allegiances of Shadow+River and Thunder+Wind. 10:36, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that modern LionClan and TigerClan should not be counted as real "Clans". Not only because of Whitestorm's good points, but also because modern LionClan and TigerClan actually existed for an incredibly short time. They were barely mentioned after the battle with BloodClan anyway. Like Helix says, it's either mention both or mention none-and I think mentioning neither is more reasonable.

As for Darkstripe and Whitestorm, I believe Whitestorm's should definitely be changed to ThunderClan and Darkstripe's should be kept the same, because of what Whitestorm said and also because Darkstripe really isn't considered to be loyal to ThunderClan-and definitely not to their leader, Firestar, as shown in the books.

For the category thing, I disagree with Whitestorm. The categories do not show which side they fought on during the battle because modern LionClan and TigerClan never actually fought against each other. Remember, after Tigerstar died, Leopardstar and RiverClan joined with Firestar and Tallstar, and Tigerstar's followers, like Darkstripe, for example, went to join with Scourge. So my point is, the sides were the allied Clans and BloodClan, not modern LionClan and TigerClan. So I don't think those should be counted as categories.

Sorry for the lengthy opinions. :) But that's what I think. 01:46, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

The LionClan category would go for almost any cat that participated in the battle, with the exception of Tigerstar, Darkstripe and BloodClan. So, I agree with Midnitesky. The only cats that should have it listed in the allegiances are Tigerstar and Darkstripe. 20:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

If we get rid of the categories, we are getting rid of almost any mention of TigerClan and LionClan on the articles, except in the history. I think the categories should stay, because they are still needed. By the allegiances, do you mean the affie and past affie? Also, Helix, I understand what you mean by it should stay consistent. However, if my memory serves me correctly, TigerClan lived together for about a moon. That may be incorrect, but that's what I remember. 22:18, November 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Whitestorm. We shouldn't fully get rid of the categories--they should be used. Midnitesky: We should keep the categories because, yes, they did 'switch' sides, but it resembles which side they had originally fought on-my opinion. :) I'm actually torn between Midnitesky's thoughts and Whitestorms. Either way would be fine to me. But I would probably prefer to go 'against' Midnite's idea. 05:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

After reading Whitestorm and Frostheart's ideas, I would like to change my opinion about the categories, as I see it has some problems. As Whitestorm said, getting rid of the categories gets rid of almost all references to LionClan and TigerClan. I now understand they are part of the Clans' history and the way they came to be and deserve to be mentioned and have their own category. But if we do have those two categories, I would like it if they weren't portrayed as actual "sides" in a fight, because they never were. LionClan and TigerClan were allied groups led by different leaders of the four Clans. They never were any sides in a battle.

You see, that's what I dislike. Probably half the users here think that LionClan and TigerClan fought against each other and LionClan won. However, there never was a battle. LionClan and TigerClan simply represented two alliances of Clans.

Now, portraying these two groups incorrectly is like this: (Ex: In Firestar's article) "He led LionClan into the battle against TigerClan and rose victoriously." The two categories shown like this would be historically incorrect.

So, my conclusion? The two categories existing are fine, and should exist-as long as they aren't mentioned as "sides" in a battle. :) -- 12:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's true. LionClan and TigerClan never properly fought together, but it was intended (until Scourge killed Tigerstar). Anyways, I'm guessing that Midnite meant that we keep everyone in RiverClan and ShadowClan in the category of TigerClan? I was a 'bit confused on that, as you weren't clear enough (for me).

I think that we should keep the TigerClan category to all the RiverClan and ShadowClan cats that had participated. What makes me 'wonder' is that are we going to add LionClan's category and pastaffie to everyone? I don't think so because after Scourge killed Tigerstar, I think of it as just all the forest-cats battling BloodClan. 14:58, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did mean that-the RiverClan and ShadowClan cats are part of TigerClan, and the ThunderClan and WindClan cats are part of LionClan (with the exception of Darkstripe and some others). As for your second question, Frostheart, I agree with you. Cats such as Mistystar were in RiverClan, but fought with the other Clans against BloodClan. -- 21:23, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Midnite: Yes, it should never be listed that way, as they fought against each other.

I'm not sure what to do about the LionClan affie, in my opninion, it should just be removed, as it can't be added to every single article that fought in the battle. However, I think that the TigerClan affie should still remain on articles. 00:25, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I do not personally wish to remove the LionClan affie completely. Just keep them to ThunderClan and WindClan. 00:28, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Like Frostheart, I think that the LionClan affiliation should not be removed. It's just as important as the TigerClan affie, and the two are good existing together. But that's just my opinion. :) -- 01:21, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so if we are not going to remove the LionClan affie at all, then Whitestorm's should be changed to LionClan. 17:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Nightcloud - Silver Nomination
I think her article looks ready. 23:18, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

She could use a main quote and some others. Otherwise, I support! ^ ^ 01:58, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Added two quotes and a main quote :) 01:19, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think the main quote should show more personality. 03:31, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

That is literally the only thing she says that makes sense on its own. I could switch the Crowfeather quote and that one, though. 03:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that one would be better. :) 03:44, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

All right, done ^_^ 04:02, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

If she doesn't say anything on her own, then I support. 20:22, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think Dark River could be expanded. Also, try to find a quote from The Sight, about her being possesive over Crowfeather, and I would suggest adding it as a main quote. 00:32, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Dark River cannot be expanded, and she does not express her emotions with words in The Sight. I think her main quote is fine as it is. 02:36, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I found a better main quote. It's a bit lengthy, but it shows her personality well. 03:04, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, Night Whispers comes out tomorrow. Be prepared to create a decent Night Whispers section for her. 22:37, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I'm pretty sure I'm getting it tommorow night, so I'll do that as soon as I can. 22:39, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Brackenheart - Silver Nomination
I'n surprised no one has nominated him yet. Comments? 04:20, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Could another quote be added? If not, he looks great! :) 21:37, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible for his StarClan appearance to be expanded anymore? 20:07, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have my book near me, but I think that's really the only time he shows up when in Starclan, but I might be wrong because I haven't looked at the book since summer. -- 21:55, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Snowwhisp is right. He does nothing else, just sits with Spiderstar. And about the quotes, I think one is fine. If not, feel free to disagree. 22:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

So, can no other quotes be found? 00:41, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

That is true. There are no other quotes. I re-read the prologue again, and I added the quotes that are good a while back. 00:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then it looks fine. :) 22:46, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 01:12, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 01:47, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderheart - Silver Nomination
It looks good to me for a silver nomination. Thoughts? 19:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's almost ready. See if Outcast, The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes could be expanded. 19:36, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes. Outcast cannot be expanded, though. 21:18, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's a different book, but for Outcast, wasn't Leafpool worrying about Cinderheart because she was really Cinderpelt? If I'm right, then maybe we can add that, if not that I think it looks good. -- 21:29, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think that it was Eclipse. :) 23:57, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

(gives self slap to the back of the head) ooooooooooooh, thanks. :) -- 00:59, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Her article looks fantastic! ^_^ Another quote, perhaps? Supporting. :) -- 21:14, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agh! D: I looked everywhere for a good quote, and I can't find one. I can keep looking, though. 16:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I searched in The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes but I can't find a good quote there... :P And Cinderheart's article does have at least one quote and one main quote... See what some other users think, maybe. :) -- 18:04, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Still no luck with the quotes. I'll search more throughout the time being, but do we have any other thoughts? 15:26, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sunrise could be expanded, and yes, still look for another quote. 01:19, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Sunrise, looking for the second quote. 02:07, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Frostheart, I know you've been looking very hard for a quote. Well, you're in luck! :D I managed to get a copy of Dark River from my library, and here's what I found:


 * "I think he may be doing something he will live to regret." --Cinderpaw in Dark River, page 40

That's Cinderpaw to Hollypaw, "he" referring to Lionpaw, just before they discover Lionpaw playing with Heatherpaw in the tunnels. I know it's not the best of all of Cinderheart's jabbering, but that's the only one I could find. What do you think? You don't have to add it if it doesn't seem to make sense. ;) -- 20:38, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Ah! Thank you so much, Midnite! I remember reading that part, and I've been trying to get my hands on some books. :3 Thanks again, I'll add it right now. 20:57, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. ^_^ I'm glad I could help. -- 11:41, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

She looks good. However, make sure her Night Whispers section becomes acceptable before we put it to vote. 02:48, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Night Whispers section looks fine. However, can any more dialogue be added to the quote that you just added in? 17:56, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe so. It's basically Hollyleaf and Cinderheart spying on Lionblaze and Heathertail, and then Hollyleaf getting angry and Cinderheart just saying that. :3 18:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Floss- Silver Nomination
I think it looks pretty good. 14:28, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

She needs a main quote; can you find one? If not, supporting. :) -- 14:57, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Could Secrets of the Clans be expanded? Try to find a few more quotes. All of the sections look a little small actually.-- 19:14, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I tried to expand a little, and I tried to find some quotes, but she doesn't really say much. 02:05, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you mean by the quotes, those are the best that can be found. However, can SotC be expanded anymore? I think she played a bigger part in that book. 01:28, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'll see if I can expand it. 17:26, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Secrets of the Clans. The rest of her sections should be expanded as much as possible. 02:26, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestar - Silver Nomination
I've added a quote and fixed the history a bit. Comments? -- 15:11, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to find one more quote? 15:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hm... I can't find a good quote for him in Code of the Clans, but I'll keep searching. ^ ^ -- 18:02, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay if you can't find one. I just think it would tie it together a bit more. It looks fine the way it is now. :) 18:29, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding, Moonflight. :) Anything else need fixing? -- 21:08, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Comments before vote? 02:45, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 22:12, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cherrykit - Silver Nomination
I think she looks good. ^ ^ Comments? -- 15:17, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if she should be granted silver yet. She is only a kit, after all. Chances are she will appear in later books. We can see what Whitestorm thinks. Meanwhile, see if Fading Echoes could be expanded. 15:33, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Considering that Adderkit, Eaglekit, Snowkit, Fallowkit, Mosskit, Tadpole, Marshkit, Icicle, Snowflake, Cloudy, Sniff, Birdy, Minnowkit (Ancient), and Wildkit have been granted silver, I don't see why Cherrykit is any different. Also, more than the position of the cat in Warriors society, I think Project Characters grants silver status to the best-quality articles, rather than the ones that are high up on the ladder in Clan community, if you know what I mean. But as you said, Whitestorm is the leader of PC, after all. ;) I'll check out Fading Echoes and see if it can be expanded. -- 15:48, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Fading Echoes expanded. I also added another quote and a main quote. :) -- 16:36, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood me. Those kits won't have any major roles in future books. Cherrykit will become an apprentice and warrior. If she died or something,(.;), then she probably won't be have any major appearences besides some possible minor StarClan ones. It's just my opinion. It's not in stone yet. I doubt Whitestorm will share my feelings, so this will probably stay up. :P 18:27, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Well, tell me if there's anything else that needs cleaning up! :) -- 18:32, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Moonflight has a point, and this will need some discussion. It's as if we made Brambleclaw silver after the release of Rising Storm. 19:15, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

This has been brought up a few times, and I am indifferent about this. If the article is expanded to it's point at this date, then it is ready for silver. However, we do not want to grant an article silver, and then see it die during the rest of the Omen of the Stars. I think we have enough members to help out though. I guess my opinion would be to go ahead and keep it up, but I don't want to decide it completely myself. 21:01, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

You do have a point. But what should I do? Are we going to keep it up, are we going to ask for opinions, is it going to be removed, are we going to leave it undecided.... ??? I think that I should just wait until Cherrykit becomes Cherry-whatever and then maybe nominate her for silver. That's just my thoughts, though. :) -- 20:20, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

We can probably still keep it up, we just need to make sure that it stays up to date as more books are released. 22:45, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. :) Well, I'll work on her article when Night Whispers comes out. But for the time being, anything else need fixing? If not, I guess it's wait till the 23rd! -- 02:16, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Meh. We can promote it to silver in its present state, and if we really cannot keep up when later books are released, we can downgrade it to bronze until it's up to date again. How does that sound? 10:34, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! :) -- 16:16, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I separated Fading Echoes into sections for better clarity. Can the part when the fire starts, and they leave the camp with Daisy be expanded any more? The two quotes she has now don't really show any personality. I know it will be hard since she is a kit and all, but it would be nice if we could find some better quotes. Also, her Night Whispers section needs to be filled out. I have the book, and I might be able to expand it tonight, but I'm not making any promises, as I might be very busy tonight. 18:09, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Squirrelflight - Silver Nomination
I checked the quality articles and Squirrelflight's talk page, and she isn't silver yet. I'm surprised, honestly. Thoughts? 04:47, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could Starlight and Sunset be expanded any more? 11:43, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed so; in Starlight the exploring the lake could be expanded (such as when she enters the garden of Jake and Susan), and later his arguments with Brambleclaw and growing closer to Ashfur. In Sunset, the vision of the pawprints and some patrols / battles can be added. Otherwise, it is excellent; congrats to all contributors working on it. :) 13:45, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded the two books. 15:25, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great; I'm supporting. 21:13, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could the ShadowClan warrior mentioned near the end in Squirrelflight's section for The Sight be identified? Otherwise, she looks marvelous! Supporting. ^-^ -- 00:29, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

I looked for it and I can't find it. I'm not sure if it can't be identified, or if I can't find it. 15:41, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Could Dark River be expanded anymore? 02:15, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Dark River. 03:02, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

That looks better. It will be awhile before this makes it up to the top, but when Night Whispers comes out, make sure the history is added to the article. :) 22:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Crookedstar- Gold Nomination
Thoughts? It looks pretty good. 00:52, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

When i had this up for gold it needed to link properly to vicky's facebook page, and thats still not ready. 01:39, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by that, Iceheart? 01:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

They mean that last time this was up for nomination, the citation for Willowbreeze as mate was to Vicky's Facebook Page, but there was no link. As of right now, I am not sure what the status is about linking to her page. I will try to check it out, but I doubt that a link can be found. I will reply back here, once I find something out. :) 02:25, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Even if it would have to be found, I couldn't do it, since I do not have a facebook account. 02:57, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Could Into the Wild be expanded? If not, Crookedstar looks good for gold. :) -- 20:24, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Into the Wild. 02:41, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

He looks good to me, nice job Frostheart! I support! River pelt Just go with the flow. 04:26, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Anything I can do? 18:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The facebook links still need to be done. 23:26, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said before, I do not have a facebook account. Could anyone help me with that? 01:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article - December 10'
Okay guys! Ready for this? It's time for yet another FA discussion! ;) I know it is kind of early, but I thought we might as well get it started, so we could be ready in time. Anyways, in my personal opinion, we should feature Stormtail or Whitestorm. Both of them are already did, so we wouldn't have to worry about adding and expanding Night Whisperers history before the beginning of December. Also, you may not think that Stormtail is a very major character, but he was the father of a very major character, and Whitestorm has been mentioned many times after his death. Also, both articles are very good? So, who do you guys think should be featured? Any other ideas? 02:41, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm and Stormtail sound good, but what about Sandstorm? I know I may be wrong for picking her, but she has played a pretty big role in the Original Series, and has been mentioned alot in the other series. River pelt Just go with the flow. 02:55, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm would be good. I would prefer Hollyleaf, too. 02:56, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like Speckletail to be featured ^^ -- 03:02, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hollyleaf seems like a good idea to me. 03:05, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hollyleaf's article is okay, and Sandstorm's article would be okay with a minor expansion of some NP sections. However, both of them are going to appear in Night Whispers, and we would have to worry about adding the history and making sure it was expanded. I know it seems easy, but it might be a good idea to feature someone who isn't going to appear in NW. I am indifferent about Speckletail. 03:17, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to disagree with that. Jayfeather was made the featured article last month, also with NW coming out. Also, this will probably happen before the beginning of December, so we can expand it soon anyways. 03:19, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think Stormtail and Speckletail would be good for the Featured Article; they both look fantastic! And Frostheart does have a point about Night Whispers ;) -- 20:14, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Everyone is intitled to their own opinion, and I didn't really think anybody would agree with me. ;) Jayfeather was made FA a month ago, which was a long time before Night Whispers came out. Mainly, we can add it, but it probably won't be expanded to its point while it is featured, if we feature Hollyleaf or Sandstorm. 22:40, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay, so what you're saying, Whitestorm, is that we should choose a cat that is deceased or is rarely mentioned in the recent series, but was mentioned in the older series'? If so, then what about Moonflower? She was Bluestar's mother and I think her page looks good, although she dies in the book. River pelt Just go with the flow. 23:04, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Just a question; how do we know that Hollyleaf had died? It is most likely that she will not be in the next book (according to Vicky, but she can change her mind). She might be mentioned, but it isn't anything major. If we have to choose a character that is for sure dead, I would say Leafstar (not dead, but she isn't going to be in NW), again, or Yellowfang. 23:27, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I just looked inside the browse inside, and searched her name. Hollyleaf shows up three times, two of which are on practically the same page. I still think she should be featured. 23:49, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

After looking at Hollyleaf and Leafstar's pages, I think that those two look great, too! But even though I like Stormtail, Speckletail, Hollyleaf, and Leafstar, I agree with Oblivion that Hollyleaf should be featured. Also, although I know this has nothing to do with the real quality of the article, that Jayfeather and Lionblaze are gold, and Hollyleaf being gold would go well along with it. ;) -- 02:14, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

That was a fail on my part, of course Hollyleaf doesn't appear in the next book. Sorry about that. :\ We could feature Hollyleaf, although I would disagreee, because I would like to see some less important characters being featured. ;) 13:57, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

* cough*Lionheart*cough*.

What? Who said that? Silly little user. ;)

On a more serious note, I'd like a dead character to be featured. Lionheart, maybe. Or Yellowfang, Stormtail, Whitestorm, or Speckletail. Or Leafstar. Not Hollyleaf. At least not until we know for sure what her fate was in the tunnels. I myself would like to see Leafstar, Lionheart or Yellowfang featured. 20:08, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes! Leafstar. :D I'm glad that coughsomeonecough saw my previous note. ;) Anyways, I would still like Hollyleaf to be the featured article, as she will not appear a lot in Night Whispers. 01:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree... again. Hollyleaf would be a good idea, her article is one of the best I've seen. 01:39, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Hollyleaf is a good article, it's well expanded. I stand by my first thought to have Hollyleaf as a featured article. However, if a major group disagrees, Leafstar or Yellowfang will work. :) I would like to know more people's thoughts. XD 05:20, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why do I change my opinion so much? XD Anyways, after thinking about it and looking at all the different comments, I've decided, although the quality of Hollyleaf's article is good, her ending is a bit of a...well, cliffhanger. Leaving an article like that makes it seem a bit incomplete. However, Leafstar, Yellowfang, and Lionheart appeal to me. :) -- 11:46, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Hollyleaf's article towards the end. However, it can't be expanded that much because...she's...honestly not in the book. XD We're not 'leaving' an article like that, it is just the fact that she does not appear in it as much as the other books. 16:14, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

There is a vote up regarding this topic. Read instructiond on the forum before voting. 17:48, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Spiderleg ~ Silver Nomination
Well, he hasn't been up for a while, and I've expanded pretty much everything. So anything need fixing? River pelt Just go with the flow. 02:50, November 20, 2010 (UTC)﻿

Wow! I can tell you've been working really hard on this Riverpelt! ;) Everything looks great, but he needs a main quote. Can you find one? -- 03:09, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sure! I'll find one as soon as I can. And thanks! =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 03:22, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the flow, since most of the sections had 3 or 4 'enters' in-between, which was way too much. Yes, it needs one more quote. Can Firestar's Quest or Midnight be expanded? If not, it looks great. 04:36, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good to me-- 07:08, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed some of the indentation, because I think you left out some bullets, Frsotheart. ;) Also, could the flow of Twilight and Sunset be fixed? I was reading through it, and it is very hard to read because it goes like this; "Spiderleg fetched prey. Then, Spiderleg went to sleep. Cloudtail woke Spiderleg up and went on the dawn patrol." There is no real sense of time in the paragraphs. Also, all of NP needs to be made into present tense. Sorry about all these comments but they nedd to be done. :) 14:19, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Whitestorm, I'll get them fixed! =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 15:41, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I fixed your problems, Whitestorm, and I'll check it to make sure I did fix it. As for Frostheart's comments, Midnight cannot be expanded anymore, but I'll check about Firestar's Quest. Once I'm done with that I'll find a main quote like Midnitesky asks. =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 16:22, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

The part in Dawn where Shrewpaw dies needs to be expanded. I'm sure Spiderpaw was there, or at least mentioned. 17:29, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

His Night Whispers section must also be acceptable before he may be granted silver status. 02:42, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cloudpelt - Silver Nomination
Cloudpelt's article looks ready. I added a main quote and fixed up the wording. He only said one thing in all of the books, so I made that his main quote.-- 07:06, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

He only said one thing? xD If he did, then the quotes are fine. I took a sentence out saying that it is suspected that he was murdered by Brokentail, because that was just a speculation. The rest of it looks fine, though. :) 14:25, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Supporting. =) -- 16:18, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting. 17:26, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Foxheart - Silver Nomination
I added quotes. It looks ready to me. -- 07:27, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it looks fine. In the trivia section, it said that in the allegiances of Battles of the Clans, Foxheart was listed as a tom. There were no allegiances in BotC, so I removed it. I don't know if this was a mistake, and it was supposed to say something else, but I thought I'd tell you. :) 14:52, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Supporting. 15:51, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. :) Supporting. -- 16:18, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Great job, Nightshine! I support! =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 02:39, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting. I'll look into that trivia piece, Whitestorm, if necissary. 17:43, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Littlecloud - Silver Nomination
I know he needs a lot of work, but I'm enthusiastic to do it. :) I also added a main quote. Comments? -- 01:30, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Most of the sections can be expanded. Can you find 2 more quotes? If not, at least one. 01:36, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Be prepared to put a lot of work into his Night Whispers section once it is released. Since parts of the book are in Flametail's point of view, Littlecloud should have a fairly major role. 02:51, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

He needs a Dawn section. Unless you already did that? He appears quite a lot in that book, I don't know why no one's added it. 02:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

A lot in Dawn? Really. I've checked the Cliffnotes, and he appears once, when the traveling herb leftovers are given to ShadowClan. I've added a Dawn section, but unfortunately, I don't have the books, so I can't check. Are you sure about that, Oblivion? Oh, and thanks for the reminder, Moonflight. :) Night Whispers comes out tomorrow, and I hope I can get a copy by the weekend. Better get to work on his other sections. ^_^ -- 20:33, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I've created Fire and Ice and Forest of Secrets sections for him, expanded most of NP, and a bit of OS. I'll clean up the rest of OS, PO3, OTS, and find two quotes when I get time. :) -- 21:16, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Most of the sections could still be expanded. 05:19, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure. He was mentioned quite a few times in Dawn; I searched his name and it came up a lot. 12:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Really. Well, I'll have to get a copy soon and find out. And Frostheart, I'll expand his sections as soon as I can. :) -- 02:38, November 24, 2010 (UTC)