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Frostfur, Brindleface, Robinwing and Fuzzypelt...
I was adding some description references on Robinwing (TC)'s page and decided to cite the family members revealed in BP at the same time. It says on her page that Fuzzypelt is her mate, and the same on his page, but on Frostfur's tree it reads 'father unknown'. I haven't been able to find a reference for them being mates and was wondering whether anyone else knew whether Fuzzypelt is or isn't their father and Robin's mate. Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  23:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to see if I can find a page where it's mentioned, but so far I've seen Fuzzypelt and Robinwing definetly spending time together, but I think it was one particular page that it was mentioned he and Robinwing were mates... I'll keep looking. Skyfeather  '95 23:33, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Sky =) Sorry I'm a pain. It's just either the tree needs changing or the pages. Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  23:42, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

It's fine, Sandy. Hm, I can't find the page but let me check one more thing really fast before I give up. Skyfeather  '95 23:52, December 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, on Vicky's facebook she posted that Ravenpaw and Dustpelt are the kits of Robinwing and Fuzzypelt.This is where all of the questions/answers are posted. This leads me to believe that he did father Frostfur and Brindleface, but unless it can be cited... Skyfeather  '95 00:17, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, That should be a good enough source to post, right? Still, something makes me not want to post it, but I suppose that's solid enough. Ravenpaw and Dustpelt don't seem like brothers though >.> I'd think Ravenpaw was an only kit... ★ Insane Batteries not Included  04:15, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, we can cite it that it was revealed on by Vicky on her facebook. And apparently Dustpelt did everything he could to deny the fact that they were brothers. And since that can be cited, I'll go ahead and add it the pages^^. Skyfeather  '95 05:21, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just realized that Robinwing being Dustpelt's mother is major incest, considering Brindleface would be his sister and her kits were Ferncloud and Ashfur... Should we keep adding this to the pages, or take it off? Skyfeather  '95 05:40, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mean to intrude on the conversation, this is totally Sandy's or Insane's to answer. But as for me, I just don't think it looks right. I still don't think that Redtail is Sandstorm's father, even though Viki herself comfirmed it. I'd delete it all if I were you--Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 05:45, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

You're not intruding, you have just as much right to discuss it as anyone ;D Yeah, though, it is incest, but recently, a lot of the family connections being revealed (even in books) have made slight to major incest... o3o As I said, it doesn't seem right to me, I bet Vicky just made it up on the spot when being asked (which kinda annoys me, but I guess she's the writer). Personally, I'd rather not put it up, but if you guys want to, I won't stop it. ★ Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  14:35, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should put any incest up (like Vicky keeps saying Willowpelt and Patchpelt are Graystripe's parents but their siblings), but if it makes sense some of the things Vicky says then we should put it up. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 19:29, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me, I know I'm not a member of PC, but I'd like to say something. In the feral world, the animals don't particularly care too much if they're related; the chief goal is to survive and reproduce. Even among humans, it used to be common custom to marry your cousin until popular culture shut it out. What I'm saying is that among the cats, they're not going to be too picky about who they mate with, if it means survival of the species and kits. And Graystripe didn't particularly care that Silverstream was RiverClan, did he?

Also, Vicky is the author. Whatever she says goes. We can't just pick out the things she says that make sense and ignore the things that don't. We're an encyclopedia; we state the facts, whether they're crazy or not. If she decides to blow up ThunderClan, then we have to put it here, even though we'd be like "....What?" Of course, it's all up to you, Insane. You are the leader of this project. Your decision. -- Bramble -sama  04:24, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

...Nyeh! I don't like making big decisions. You're right, though, Bramble, it's strange but she's the writer, so she may as well have put it in a book, for our purposes, since we have been using interviews as sources before. I guess we can update the family trees with this, even though it's... odd :P <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:31, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, there's another problem, on Dustpelt and Fernclouds' kits' pages, do we list Dustpelt as their father and Great Uncle, or just their father? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:42, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Your right Bramble, but I don't think that that was Vicky's intent though, I think she just got confused. It should be listed once I think, under father. It's like on Birchfall's page, Whitewing is only listed as his mate and not his cousin. We don't really need to show the cat twice on the same page. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 17:24, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind guys, if Dustpelt and Ravenpaw were Robinwing's kits, that would mean that Frostfur and Brindleface are their older siblings. Ferncloud and Ashfur are Brindleface's kits. So, Dusty would be Fern's uncle. I know that Birchfall and Whitewing are second cousins, but that's more distant than uncle and neice. And I think BirchxWhite mating and being second cousins was pure accident. Okay, and unregistered contributer, you're right about cats mating on instinct. At first, the Erins made it like that, the queens in the nursery in Itw probably had more than one mate. But as the series progressed, they figured out that the fans wanted the couples to be based on accual love. Graystripe LOVED Silverstream, that's why he didn't care she was from a different clan. True love people, TRUE LOVE!!--<span style="font-family:Mistral; background:Light Silver; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Deep purple;">Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 18:13, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, let's not let it get too heated :P I already changed the trees, and a few pages, but if enough people feel it may be a mistake we can put something that says it might not be 100% true? (Like a mini version of the "Canon" template), or something? Or do you not feel that much is necessary? I'm just trying to take everyone's opinions into account. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  01:59, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that might be a good idea. Because Viki did put in on her face book page, but I agree that she just made it up on the spot. I think we should either, put on all of Dusty's family's articles that Ravenpaw might be his brother, and Robinwing and Fuzzypelt might be his parents, or make a seperate page that says that--<span style="font-family:Mistral; background:Light Silver; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Deep purple;">Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 03:46, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, on all Dustpelt's descendants there will be an issue. Say, for Birchfall. Do we list Ravenpaw as his Uncle or Grand-uncle? Because he's both!! Should we just make the rule that we always go with the "Closer" relation to list, or something? <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  15:21, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that's probably a good idea Insane =) Does anyone have the official name of Vicky's FB page as fiding things on there is a nightmare Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  19:29, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the link to her facebook link. Though, I think you need an account to view the fan page to view all of the questions and ask one yourself. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 21:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I went on the page but I didnt find anything. Does anyone know exactly where to look?-- Ashshadow Rawr :3 21:43, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Sky. I thought that was a pretend erin page... Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  21:57, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a member of the project, but may i say something? I looked at vicky's facebook. I didn't see her answering any warriors related questions-and frankly, i don't see why she should. thank you, I have made my point.--Dragonfrost 01:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

She has, people have just kept asking questons, so the previous ones that were answered are buried. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 01:36, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Senior Warriors!

 * As an idea that both Sky and I had, we have decided to implement Senior Warriors into this project. It will be very similar to what they are like in PCA, if any of you are in that project- basically, they are active, esteemed members of the project- almost like other deputies. They can be trusted with important matters if the leader/deputy isn't available, but they will also have other responsibilities; these might be fixing kinks on articles nominated for Silver or Gold, or looking for articles that deserve to be nominated. We might still have to work out some details on that, but see here for info about the nomination process (it's the same as PCA's).
 * Also, I declare Sky a senior warrior from the start. Having been the leader before, it would be cruel not to let Sky be a senior warrior, but even aside from that, Sky is very active and deserves it. <font color="#FF6600">★ <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  02:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Insane. :3 I'm sure I can find a few more articles ready for silver status. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 02:24, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Congrats, Sky!!!!!-- :) Mousetalon Meow to me! |undefined 00:27, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Order of Family Members
I have noticed a discrepency between the order family members are displayed on character pages. On some, mates come first, then kits, then parents, direct kin, then others. On others, parents and siblings come before mates and kits. Which way around should it be? Ѕд ₦₫  y ♪  22:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, this is a good point, Sandy, and I had been meaning to bring this up. Personally, I would put it: Parents, siblings, mate, kits, Grandparents, Uncles/aunts, cousins, nieces/nephews, Grandkits. I mean, the very specific order doesn't matter so much, but on some pages it's like grandparents, kits, uncles, cousins, mate... and it's really weird... Anywho, does anyone think my hypothetical order should be rearranged? I'm open. This was just off the top of my head. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 22:04, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be: mate, kits, parents, grandparents, grandkits, uncle/aunts, then cousins, and any other family members after that. I really don't care what the order is but we should decide soon. --Whitestorm17 00:22, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be Parents, Siblings,Mate,Kits,Grandparents,Aunts,Uncles,Neices,Nephews,Cousins and such. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; background:aqua; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:fuchsia;">Icestorm HI! 00:27, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, Sandy, you forgot one more point, you asked me on the IRC. Like is it supposed to be Relation: Name or Relation- Name? Inshort is it supposed to be a colon or a hyphen(-)? I agree with Insane in the order, and another thing Sandy asked, is it supposed to be Great Grandkits: or Great Grandsons, and Great Granddaughters? G r a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 05:17, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well pesonally, I think it should be a colon. It's just easier to make out. And I think the family order should have Mate and Kits first and second, and then whatever order next-- Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 05:29, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Nightfall it should be a colon, and I was thinking mates and kits first because those are a cat's actual family. --Whitestorm17 13:21, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I say Colon, and that from Grandkits/Grandnieces/Nephews on, they should be put in one group, since it's kind of annoying to put, grandsons, granddaughters, greastgradnsons, greatgranddaughters, etc., for people that have a lot of descendants, like Tigerstar. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 16:39, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

You can't put great grandkits undder grandkits, the family would be inaccurate then. And what about great uncles and aunts? I think they should be put after grandparents. So something like mate, kits, grandkits, parents, siblings, grandparents, uncles/aunts & great uncles/aunts, nieces/nephews, and cousins. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 17:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I didn't mean merge all the grandkit sections, I meant merge Granddaughters with grandsons, as grandkits, then greatgranddaughter and greatgrandsons as greatgrandkits, etc. I like your order, Sky, except I still think Parents and Siblings should go first, since they are sort of... revealed first. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 19:10, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know.. maybe mate and kits should go first. It's like humans - when you get married and have children, they are your immediate family and your parents and siblings come next. Maybe: Immediate Family: mate kits parents siblings grandparents gandkits Distant Family: Aunts/Uncles Great Aunts/Uncles Nieces/Nephews Cousins... Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  20:00, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of the distant, but what about for Tigerstar and the others with very distant family? Would they still be under distant, or no? But I agree with the mate and kits for the reason Sandy pointed out. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 20:31, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I can see now why you think mate and kits go first. That's fine with me, although I don't think we should do the immediate/distant thing, since it's already clear that they're more immediate if they're listed first... <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 21:51, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

No, I didn't mean actually put Immediate/Distant in! I guess I didn't make that clear. Sorry. Though, speaking of which, I'm sure I've seen that on several articles Ѕд  ₦₫  y ♪  17:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well those sections are on the page of several descendants of Tigerstar to list the distant SkyClan ancestors, but I think that's the only time we should use sub-sections (sorry for misunderstanding you) <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 18:17, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

So what is the order we are going to use? --Whitestorm17 20:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll post a finalized order and make sure nobody has any objections?
 * mate, kits, Parents, siblings, Grandparents, Uncles/aunts(Great Uncles/Aunts), cousins, nieces/nephews(Grand nieces/nephews), Grankits (Great Grandkits)? And, just another thing, I've noticed that different pages sometimes vary in format such as different amount of indenting, but I think we should have a consistent one. I think the most common (and best) one is this:

Title of Relation:
 * Name of Relation: Living (as of Booktitle)

Are both of those okay with people? <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 01:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me, except I think it might be better looking like Title of Relation:. It stays consist and doesn't stand out. But other than that, it looks fine to me. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  03:17, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Snowfur - Silver Nomination
She has all of her information, and any citations that would be needed. Plus, it is unlikely that she will appear again in future books. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 23:31, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. She is like Ryewhisker but not short. I'll see if I can add a bit more of information, since I'm over Icestorm's house and she has Bluestar's Prophecy. Blacky OMG 2010 IS ON IT'S WAY! 23:34, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with it. If you have any objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 00:31, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I see nothing. And Insane, Eu invented that line : "forever hold your peace.". G r a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 13:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, I'll put her up for vote. And I'd never heard Eu say that before, just like, at weddings in movies XD <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 15:43, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Citations question
Should we cite names? Just asking, as that would make a lot more work for us to do. Some pages have it-Hollyleaf, Snowstar-and others don't. Which one is it? Snowfern Snow! 23:58, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need to, since names usually stay around for a while and there names don't really need to be cited. Gah, I can't really say why, but it just seems that names are always the same with 'kit,' 'paw,' and what not, and it would be a big hassle to cite. <font color="#00C957">Skyfeather <font color="#00C957" style="background:white;"> '95 00:13, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I often see warrior names cited, so I thought those had to be, but not kit or apprentice names as they are always the same. Do you guys think we should keep them for warrior names only, or get rid of them altogether? <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 00:30, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I don't think we really need to since usually we add citations to confirm that something is true, but names are hard to mess up or put down falsely. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  01:59, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Names are cited on pages like Raggedstar, Crookedstar, and Tallstar, where their warrior names weren't in the books, but revealed on a Erin Hunter Chat. G r a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 13:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

They were in Bluestar's Prophecy, Grayravenpaw. Snowfern Snow! 13:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

So, then you guys think we should only cite them if they were revealed *only* in an Erin Hunter Chat? Sounds okay to me, if y'all agree. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 15:43, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. if it's Erin Hunter chat, it might as well be in the books.-- :) Mousetalon Meow to me! |undefined 00:02, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Erin Hunter Chat was before Bluestar's Prophecy. G r a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 09:54, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Watch Out
This unregistered contributer: 174.44.27.55 vandalized Yellowfang's page. Watch out for him/her in the future.-- :) Mousetalon Meow to me! |undefined 04:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Somebody vandalized Scourge's page. Thier IP address is 69.204.252.76. Snowfern Snow! 14:46, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Gah, all the major vandalism happens when I'm not on... it's annoying D< If I see them vandalising I'll be sure to fix it... (and to think I just cleared out my watchlist... bad timing for me... :C) <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 15:47, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Descriptions
While citing descriptions, should the citation be Revealed in BOOKNAME, the allegiances, or the page number on which they were actually mentioned in the book? I, personally, think that it should be the second one. If they aren't mentioned in the book, then we can put up the former, and even that, should it be the one mentioned abopve, or something like Revealed in Allegiances BOOKNAME?– – G r  a y  r a  v e  n p  a <span style="color:darkgreen; background:orange; border:1px solid magenta;" title="what links to my userpage">w  – – Scourge • Redtail • Graystripe • Cinderpelt 07:56, January 12, 2010 (UTC)