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Tigerstar's muzzle
Hey. I know we've been talking recently about what does and does not get added to a cat's description, but here's a question. Tigerstar has been depicted more than once with a white or pale muzzle and underside, in Cats of the Clans and The Rise of Scourge. Should that be added to his description since it's a recurring thing? Tabbies often have paler muzzles and undersides anyway. Otherwise I suppose he'd get an alt for that (which I've already reserved). 20:28, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh the text is bright red! It hurt my eyes! Anyway...i don't know...i mean,i think it should but...it was added, but then taken off....so...no clue Dx Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 20:32, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I know, I think someone's siggy is broken. =_= Anyway, that's because it was never added to his description. I think it should be, personally. 20:35, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

No it was,he was given a black muzzle and one paw once, i think, not sure about the paw, and then Icestorm tweaked his leader image, and then we removed the thing about the muzzle. But I think it should... Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 20:37, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not black, white Maplepool. I think it should be added to the desription and tweaked, plus tabbies usually have lighter underparts anyway. Its a sahme the project doesnt show it more often. 20:38, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. If anyone else agrees, I'll add it to his description and I'll add it to the charart I'm already working on. 20:47, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. But would this mean Firestar also has tabby added to his description (though that wouldn't require a tweak) and paler fur around his muzzle and eyes? And it's true that almost all tabbies have lighter underbellies and stuff like that. Could we make it so it's the artist's choice whether or not to add it? Just an idea. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:06, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

^If we do that, then we would have to add it to every single tabby here. Shelly just said that technically all tabbies have pale bellies and such. If so then why are we talking only about Tigerstar here? I dont think the matter is that important, but it's just my opinion. - 22:21, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention if we did that, we'd be hypocrits not to redo every tabby with an unrealistic style 22:31, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

But I mean, why can't we make it like the tabby stripes on torties? Where we're not gonna tweak them all, but it can be up to the artist whether they want to or not. And I think most tabbies have paler underbellies, but I've seen some with either none, or so faint that you almost can't tell. I see no need to tweak, but I think we should let people add paler bellies and muzzles to the tabby chararts they do if that want. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:43, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't say every tabby. Just most. It's a typical thing, a tabby having a pale underbelly. Frankly, most cats have pale underbellies where their fur thins out on their stomaches. I don't think this constitutes a tweak of all images. ^^; I'd say, yeah, it should be a personal choice. 02:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Although most normal cats have pale underbellies, since when are Erin cats normal? I mean, let's look at Blackstar, Spottedpaw, Shrewfoot, etc. They do not care about cat genetics in the slightest. I don't think we should add pale underbellies unless it's cited. 02:54, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, fun fact, Spottedpaw is possible. He's just a tortie. Like this torbie. But you're right. In Tigerstar's case, though, he's been depicted as such enough times that it's added. 03:21, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

But that's like saying we shouldn't have added stripes to all ginger cats since the Erins don't care about genetics. And like I said, we wouldn't be tweaking anything, like we did with the ginger cats, we'd just be making it the artist's choice from here on in. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:37, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Paleh's right. Leave it up to the artist. And now back to the original matter I presented... you know, by the logic I used, Crookedstar should have cream underparts as he's always depicted that way. :\ I dunno... Hate to poke holes in my own logic, honestly. Maybe Tigerstar with a pale muzzle and underparts should be an alt like Crookedstar's is. 14:46, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Crooked got a cite for the pale belly after his images were redone. I don't think pale = cream but if so we could use my alt for his main image and redo all his other images (again) 17:23, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

True. But what about Tigerstar? Should it be an alt or his main image? Yes, all of his images depict him with pale underpart, but I'm still unsure. 18:35, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think if a cat is consistently shown a certain way in official art, but not described in book as that, they should have it added to their description. Such as Firestar, Crookedstar, Tigerstar, and others. But what if they're consistently shown as something that goes against their book description? Just a plain alt? It would seem a bit odd to add some to the description and make some alts.... I'm not sure. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:42, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I'd absolutely love if we could make Crookedstar's alt his main image. That is probably my favorite image on the whole wiki. *.* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  22:43, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

You cant really talk hypothetical with these things, we kinda just have to tackle them as they come and make a fair decision on each. As for Crookedstar, it would be easier just to revert them to before they were redone, and just delete the alt(sorry Ivy). Then rather then redoing every single image, its just the one apprentice. Its easier and saves the project a lot of hassle. 05:43, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

But weren't the stripes redone cause they were unrealistic? As much as I liked them, they were triangle stripes... the stripes on the alt are fine, so why not use it? Chances are the stripes will just get redone again eventually, and we'll have just as much work. I think we should keep the alt. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:41, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Paleclaw, and not just because the alt. is my image. It was also redone because he was red-brown, not brown. 18:00, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, if the project is willing, why not? We don't avoid work, we embrace it. 21:30, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

So what's the final decision? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:13, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yup. Redo all the images! Except the leader. 07:20, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join request- Bluesunkatsuri
I'd like to join this project. I use photoshop, and trying to learn how to use gimp

Bluesunkatsuri 19:25, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to PCA! I can't add you in because I am not a lead, a lead will soon add you in. 19:26, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

New Proposition
When user a is asked if their still working on their charart that say, hasn't been uploaded for over five days, they are expected to upload within the next 48 hours. This happens too often without a good reason. Chararts are left up for approval, not worked on, artist is asked if their still working on it, they reply yes, and they don't upload for another week. Honestly, you shouldn't have to be asked if you're still working on your charart unless you were away and unable to bring your computer with you/you don't have internet connection. So, the time limit for chararts without work should be judged from when the artist last uploaded the charart, not the last time they commented that they're still working on the charart. Thoughts? 16:05, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, this gives others a chance to work on the image if they wish, sounds fair, you want to be here, you have to work. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 16:07, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Mhmm, I agree also. If you don't work on your image, why bother bein' here? 16:58 Mon Dec 26

I already do this unless someone supplies a decent reason for taking a while. And even then I advise them to hand it off. 23:09, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I thought this was already the rule, so I agree. Breeze whisker  23:12, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. It's fair. If they can't be bothered to help us, we shouldn't be bothered to help them. 23:40, Mon, Dec, 26, 2011

Can we also make it where if a user has to be asked more than twice if they're working on an image (Like, they don't work on it for 6 days, come back and reupload, then don't work on it for another 6 days, and so on) they have their image declined? People shouldn't be able to just upload everytime they get asked that and have no problem. It takes up space, and is just plain annoying honestly. So yeah, just a thought. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:32, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. A truly devoted user shouldn't have to be asked even once if they're still working on a charart unless they've given an honest reason to be away. 02:34, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Pale and Scarlet above. 05:00, Wed, Dec, 28, 2011

A proposition concerning project vernacular
This is a rather simple proposition concerning one name used in PCA.

I'd like it if Senior Warriors could no longer be called leads.

You see, it may seem like a silly thing to want to change, but here's the reasoning: words are powerful. When a senior warrior is called a lead, it sends the message to new or prospective users that we are in charge, which we are not. We merely have been recognized by the project to have a decent amount of experience, which is reflected in the title of Senior Warrior, and are given the responsibility of approving or declining images. To call us leads is to put us too far above the rest of the project, and as a senior warrior I'm uncomfortable with that.

Comments? 19:30, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

So, do you want there to be no senior warriors at all? I think we just help out the leader and deputy. They can't approve every image or add in every new user all on their own. No, we aren't in charge, but we could shake off the status of being a lead. We'll still be senior warriors and uphold all the responsibilites of being one, but we don't lead the project. I see your point, and I'm open to see what other users have to say. 19:50, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

What gave you the idea that that is what I wanted? No, I just want us to cease being called leads, that's all. 20:01, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I don't care either way. But the keystrokes to type "lead" are a whole lot easier than typing "Senior Warrior," which is probably how the term came about. I think it's up to the individual person as to what they prefer to type, but if you mean official guidelines and things like that, I agree that the official term should probably be used to make it sound more...official. Breeze whisker  20:05, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Why? Senior warriors ARE in charge., Not as much as leader or deputy, but they still are high ranks. At first I had a lot more to say but now I'm dead. XP 20:07, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

You hate me, don't you Shell? Jk. I honestly don't care what SW's are called. Just as long as we have them. 20:10, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, don't hate anyone. XD But yeah. Senior warrior's aren't in charge, it's arrogant of us to think we are. We're just here to help guide people along and keep the project moving while contributing to it, and that's the extent of it. 20:13, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda agree with Icy, and at the same time, I don't really care all that much. XD I think we do kinda have a right to be called leads, but I really don't care all that much if that changes. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:19, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree, since it's a whole lot easier just to type leads. Keeping in mind that "lead" technically means "senior warriors, deputy, and leader", it's a whole lot easier to type. You're right Shelly, we're not in charge, but we do possess a higher rank (for lack of a better word) than warriors and apprentices. We have the power to approve or decline images, to decide on CBA, and accept new users into the project. Disclaimer: Remember that in no way are senior warriors better than other users just because we have privileges. 00:35, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't care either way I never call you guys leads anyway I usually just say SW, so really I don't care. But they are 'leader's' of the project so it makes sense to call them leads. 02:16, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, SW is a lot easier to type then lead(s). It's just 2 letters! I agree with you Shelly, and I can see why it annoys you. You're not in charge and don't exactly have the right to lead this project. What you do have the rights too and warriors and apprentices can't access, is declining, approving images, CBAing, creating voting forums, etc. Those are the things a leader/deputy would do though, but the only other things leaders/deputies can do that you can't is annoucing new deputies/leaders, and making the final decision for the project. (i probally missed a lot more though.) 23:44, Thu, Dec, 29, 2011

Join Request
Can I be an apprentice? Autunmleaf 19:47, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Warrior Blanks
Hey guys. This is a really minor purposal, but I feel it's nessecary.

It's just been bothering me for some time and I think we should re-write the Warrior blanks with PNG. file ones instead of GIF. files ones. It would simple it out and make everythign easier, since for a lot of apprentices, warrior blanks are main charart practice dummies, and I just have a worry that they don't know how to change from indexted to RBG mode, and if we change it it'll just be easier for everyone

Yeah, I suppose I just made a huge deal out of something that needed to be super minor. xD Okay, thanks. . 07:38, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

It'd be nice if we had permission to write over the blanks to do something like that 15:33, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I always forget to convert the file before I work. XD I'd say as long as you aren't changing the image in any other way, go for it with our thanks. 15:37, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Dude, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I just use the Snipping Tool and paste the image on Paint. I suppose that's the "hard" way to do it, but I've never had any problems. If you can't rewrite the files, just do what I do. 15:40, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't have any problems, I just save the image as a png file, and it's all fixed. 23:50, Thu, Dec, 29, 2011

Leaving
I've decided to leave the wiki....if you want to know why, look at my userpage. 10:17, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

No, Rainey! D; *clings* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:39, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry.....too many things to deal with in real life. :( 10:47, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

No! :-( I hope you will be back soon !!!!!! ,11:11,December 29,2011 (UTC)

Rainey! =( We'll miss your skills. May StarClan light your path! 22:56, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

=( I am so sad. Bai! 23:51, Thu, Dec, 29, 2011

Redstar
So I was reading through BotC, and noticed a picture of Redtsar. He has white paws and a white muzzle in the picture. Should that be added to his description, or would it require an alt? Just wondering. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:37, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as BotC wasn't his only book, he should maybe get an alt. You'll have to see what another S.W says. 13:34, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say yes. 15:24, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say since it's the only book he appears in besides Firestar's Quest and full descriptions of minor characters are typically gained over time, just put it in his description. 15:32, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes add it as part of his description and make it a tweak. 07:30, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Gone?
I put myself on the vacation list about two weeks ago, and have not been able to put up a more accurate statement of how long I'll be gone... but now my username is not on the project apprentice list. I'm not trying to be annoying, I just don't understand. Can someone please explain what happened? 13:38, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you are inactive for two weeks or more, you are automatically removed. If you're more active again I'm sure a lead will add you. 13:40, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Not trying to be annoying but are u guys going to redo the other blanks as well? Just wondering 15:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, just apprentice and loner, and we might just do mionr tweaks to the loner. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 15:15, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly a tweak to the rogues as well. 15:29, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Halftail's tail
When I looked at Halftail's elder charart, couldn't helpbut notice that where is tail was ripped/bitten/however it happened off, it remained round. Should it be more scratched up, but have it hidden by fur? IT having it round like that makes it look like he had a small tail. 17:23, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tails are mostly fur. What is underneath is what you see on Shredtail and Rock's chararts. The most you'd get in the way of scars on even a short furred tail is miscolored fur, if even that. 17:26, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request ~ Leafy
Yay, I can finally edit this page! :)! I'm Leafpoolawesome, but you can call me Leafy. I would like to join PCA as I love art. I use Pixlr to make chararts. 21:35, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Leafy. Okay, well, welcome to PCA! I would recommend taking a look at the basic Guidelines and the Tutorials. Have fun at PCA! 01:47, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yay thanks :3 01:48, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rainfacestar, just wait for a lead to do that ;3 I'll add you in now. Also, look at the mentor program to apply for a mentor. 01:50, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request-Fallenstars
Can I join please? Thanks.User: Fallenstars 22:00, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you right now. I suggest looking at the basic guidelines and some tutorials before commenting on a charart, and you might want to get a mentor. Thank you for your interest in joining. 04:35, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request- Agent P rocks2272
May I join please? Thank you! May Starclan light your path.  Ring me for the win! :D 23:57, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Continuing Discussion
The discussion to develop a screening process has been continued here. I think I've designed a basic structure that will please the project, but I want as many as people as possible to help perfect it. Thank you! 04:13, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tying Up Lose Ends
Miss me? While I can't say I miss being a member, it's certainly nostolgic being here. I never formally left, but I think it's pretty clear that I'm not around anymore. I don't think I left on the best of terms. Well... I appologize. I don't really know what I'm trying to get at, I guess just an actual goodbye. It's funny to think that it been so long since I joined... almost three years. Oh god my first charart was attrocious, does anyone remember my original version of Spiderleg? I've grown so much as an artist since then, although I'm still not very good. The truth is that I'm just not interested in charart anymore, or Warriors for that matter. I actually came on to read the info for The Forgotten Warrior figuring I might as well see what happens to the cats I've been following since I was a little kid but... Maybe I'll go pick it up next time I'm near the bookstore for old times sake.

Anyway, enough rambling, goodbye you guys. It's been a nice few years. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 09:32, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Also, why did you guys change the apprentice blanks and not the horrible rogue blanks? xD Darkhallows   Enter the cave? 09:34, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

We're working on possibly tweaking the rouge blanks xD. Bye Dark, we'll miss you. 12:23, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

May StarClan light your path, Dark. 15:42, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Aww, well I respect your choice, but you know that we're gonna miss you! Take care and hope to maybe see you again on here someday 15:55, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

A Question for Alts
I've been looking over a couple of character pages, and I've been looking down at the character art section. For Firestar, I noticed he had a golden alt. I was wondering if that golden alt should be a tabby, because Firestar is a tabby, and if he was mistakenly called golden, he would be a golden tabby? I was wondering about this for all of the alts, too. 15:45, December 30, 2011 (UTC)