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Bluestar (Alt. Apprentice) ~ For Approval
Tell me if it needs the nick!

There's waste by the head area. It needs the nick, since it's the alt image, and it has the nick anyway. Also, you need silver on the tail-tip and muzzle, as it has to match the other images. ~ Stormsong Let it storm&#9835;  22:36, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Reups!: Better?

If this is the one for TUG then it shouldn't have the nick, as she's shown without it...

Darken and define the shading 08:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the shading, but please make up you're mind about the nick

No, she doesn't get the nick. Please remove it. 12:18, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I have to redo her do...

No you don't, just overlay the linear art over the old one, on a new layer. then fill in the gaps 22:33, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I lost the file I what I mean...

Withdrawing lel, I cant do her right...

I'll take over. 21:01, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The colors are all from the queen alt. 21:17, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs 02:28, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, please.

Reuploaded. 14:43, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Theres like a line of shadow from her back butt to her middle of her thigh? Idk if you were doing that on purpose but it kind of looks weird... Also add a bit more shading in between her belly and legs Storm  &#9835;  13:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading. 12:20, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 18:30, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading 09:13, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:11, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Put more shading in between the belly and the foreleg right by the elbow/bend in her leg. Storm &#9835;  22:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:14, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, a bit? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 00:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the facial shading, if there is any. 02:44, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the highlights on her legs. They just look like lines of a slightly brighter colour right now. 12:17 Sat May 30

Reuploaded. 15:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur those highlights even more. They still just look like some lighter lines to me. 13:29 Mon Jun 1

Reuploaded. 15:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 20:31, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

This should be named Bluestar.apprentice.alt2.png and could you blur the highlight line a bit more on the foreleg closest to us, it still looks like a line. Storm &#9835;  22:59, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Can you tell me why it needs to be renamed? There are no other apprentice alts on her page. Also, this is as blurred as the leg highlights will ever appear. 23:09, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

My bad. The charart list page said it was the alt2, ill change that. Storm &#9835;  23:14, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Berryheart (K) ~ For Approval
wee~ Probably won't be able to upload on weekdays but I /can/ update on Fridays. <: 14:23, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

It needs a white neck like the other images. And define the light on the legs, and tail Storm  &#9835;  14:25, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

oh god it's disgusting ;;  14:33, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, tail, and the chest please you forgot those Storm  &#9835;  14:41, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

it's still horrible  14:57, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

There's literally still no light on the legs/paws. get rid of some shadow Storm  &#9835;  15:02, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Shrink the white on her front paws, please. They only look that way on the queen because of how long her legs are.

'''Better? ''' 15:26, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define and add depth to the shading? The image is looking kind of flat. Good job on this though! 15:35, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ice, when you say "The image looks flat", you mean define the shading everywhere, right? Because I think that needs a bit more work upon touching :) Good job with smudging. Very nice. 18:36, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

I hate shading ;_;  19:11, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

You are still forgetting to put light on the legs. Define the light on the chest and tail and define the shading on the side of her face... This charart is literally all shading. Define the light everywhere. Storm &#9835;  22:37, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

The white is looking a little grey on my screen… maybe lighten it? Idk whether it is only my phone 06:56, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

It isn't just your screen, it's really gray, add some highlights? Are you using pure white? 11:48, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

I used pure white on her queen, which is the first image in the set, so you'll need to do the same.

She did use pure white, but it's literally all shading. Adding to my comment earlier, get rid of some shadow. Storm &#9835;  23:02, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Latte, check this out 12:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll remove shading, but I'll do it on Friday. Sorry. 21:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

well I got some time today so  22:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the paws and legs... Chest, head, and tail... Storm &#9835;  04:28, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

imo it's fine, but if it's not, idek how to define it .-. 21:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

No. I agree with Storm. Erase some of the shading on the chest/add highlights. 22:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Please don't start the "its fine" thing. .-. Storm  &#9835;  01:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Storm, chill. Leave the enforcing to the leads, please. Vibrant, we're not starting the "it's fine" thing. These images are put on the approval page to be commented on before they go on the character's page. These comments are said for a reason, and no one's images are perfect. Not mine, not any one of the other leads', not yours, not a random warrior, kit, apprentice, whatever rank. That's why this page is here. Your white looks extremely gray, and in order to match the queen image, which I made, you're going to need to brighten up the white, as it looks like her image is black-and-gray, instead of black-and-white.

Soften the transition between the white on the neck and black; it's a bit hard-edged 02:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

'''Better? '''Skye, can you send me an .xcf or .psd or whatever so I can match the colors. (no idc about my email or shiz unless it's spam) Send it to here: mintiimonster.blogclan@gmail.com 13:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

There's still no light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  13:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed  14:44, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I will gladly send you a file! She's on her way right now. =)

Define the shading/light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  22:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading between the left leg and her side and add/define the shading between her legs and on her back paw 01:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the lack of uploads. I'll upload a new version later. 21:25, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

quicker than expected 21:32, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

...Define the shading/light on the legs......... Storm &#9835;  21:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

This is getting stupid ;-; 13:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

What's getting stupid? Being asked to do something on your image? This process is the whole point of the approval page, and if you're not okay with that, then I don't know what to tell you.

^ and please erase some of the shading on the legs and neck. I can provide a redline for you if you want 13:40, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

'''I'm saying that my art is stupid. '''The shading was still wonky, and I can't change it much. Sorry if I confused/hurt anyone here, I clarified. 21:53, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Your art isn't stupid. You're trying, and that counts. It's all part of the process. Anyways, define the shading a tad? Maybe add some highlights to make the shading stand out more? 13:28 Mon Jun 1

Define the light everywhere please Storm  &#9835;  19:16, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 14:22, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light source. Brighten the white a lot. Look at some other examples of black and white kits. Storm &#9835;  14:31, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Storm, I think you'd actually need to explain to her, because you are just repeating the comments without actually telling her how. I suggest you to either erase some of the shading on the chest and legs. Otherwise, create a new layer, set the mode to overlay and use white to color in the parts where there is light hitting, afterwards you blur or smudge it. 11:38, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hootwhisker (W) ~ For Evaluation
Ok I edited it. Looks MUCH better than the old one, the shading is much better,i added a pupil, i erased the waste, and i blurred the ears. PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Hey, it's gotta match Hootwhisker's apprentice if I recall correctly..-- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 07:04, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

You misnamed it, it should be named Hootwhisker.warrior.png. Other than that, match his apprentice image as Nachtide said, smooth out the shading, clear the waste, blur the earpink and define light on the legs. 07:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images. It messes up the page. There is also texture to match. Define and darken your shading. This should also be titled 'For Evaluation' instead of 'For Approval' since its your first image. Storm &#9835;  11:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

He also doesnt appear to have a pupil... Define eye depth as well Storm  &#9835;  12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, since it looks like the redo nomination for the apprentice is going to pass, I'm not adding texture, so that's fine. But isn't this a bit smaller than the usual warrior blank? 14:39, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It has the right size to me, but the lineart is covered on some parts. 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It does seem to be covered in some places -are your other layers under the lineart? Also, there seems to be a random black dot between the ears. Can you either blur it if it's shading, or get rid of it? 20:23, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

I just realized "the random black dot" is a disconnected part of the lineart, so don't get rid of it. Can you expose the lineart though, like I said above? 20:22, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images .-. He still needs a pupil. Blur the earpink a bit more as well as the shading Storm  &#9835;  01:08, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

How am i aligning them, it looks normal to me, the pupil and shading and earpink i get. PoppyShine (talk) 01:37, May 23, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

When you post an image it should be File:Example.warrior.png what you are doing is File:Example.warrior.png|left which messes up the structure of the page. Storm &#9835;  01:40, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

The lineart seems to be covered still. Are you using layers? If so, make sure the lineart is above the other layers. If not, I highly suggest that you do - it would be a lot easier. Other than that, define the eye depth, I can't see any. 12:15, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

It still has a lot of waste around the image. Storm &#9835;  21:42, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Say you reuploaded it everything you reupload :P 00:57, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

There's waste above the ear. Also, I'm having trouble seeing the shading, perhaps define it a bit? My phone's real crappy, so again  it might be just my screen  10:53, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I redid the apprentice - the base colour is 424242, and that's not texture - it's just how I did the shading. If you want to make similar shading, Poppy, I used a 1px brush and used fairly large circular smudging movements. Of course you don't have to if you don't want to, I believe. 14:40, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Snowsplash, I'm having trouble seeing shading as well. Darken and define it please. Also I still don't see a pupil in his eye. Define the depth of the eye as well. Storm &#9835;  22:50, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define/add shading to his right/our left ear and tail. And Snowsplash, I see the waste too, just above the left ear 03:25, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Add pupils, you can see some of mine for reference. 03:32, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

xD, since my computer screen was soooooo messy at that time, I thought the waste was just from my computer screen. PoppyShine (talk) 18:12, May 26, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Define Shading 23:59, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink up a bit? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:57, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I still see waste above the ear. Also please stop aligning your images. Storm &#9835;  02:35, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink slightly upwards, define shading on the tail perhaps^^ 13:10, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste in front of the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  16:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

There's also waste in front of the chest 21:39, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Poppy, you have to say that you reuploaded it when you edit the charart at the bottom of the comments. And please stop aligning your image. It messes up the structure of the page. If you need help, just ask me on my talk page. Also theres still waste in front of the back paw I mentioned earlier. Storm &#9835;  01:08, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and cleared the waste. I always name the charact Hootwhisker.warrior, how is this happening? PoppyShine (talk) 01:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

You keep adding "thumb|left" onto the end of your file. If you go into source code editing instead of just visual editor, then you should be able to see it. When you upload a picture, just upload it regularly. It should say just File:Example.warrior.png. You're putting File:Example.warrior.png|thumb|left which messes up the page. As for the image, define the light on the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  01:45, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How do you define the light? PoppyShine (talk) 02:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Erase some of the shading, since the apprentice image that you have to match doesn't have highlights. Oh speaking of which, I think you need to match the texture/shading style that the apprentice image shows as well. Storm &#9835;  02:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How can i do that? I use Pixlr..... PoppyShine (talk) 04:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Storm, there is no need to match the shading style. Also, Sorrel said that the "texture" was the smudged shading. As for this image, please define the light source. I suggest using GIMP instead of Pixlr, as it's waaaaaay better. 11:24, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well..... I honestly dont want to use GIMP because it wont work on my computer. PoppyShine (talk) 14:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Try Paint Tool SAI Storm  &#9835;  17:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so where should i define the light source?Leg?Paw?Haunches?Ears?Head?Muzzle?Back?Tail?Chest? PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

The whole image please Storm  &#9835;  00:11, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and defined the shading, hopefully this is enough. PoppyShine (talk) 23:11, June 1, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Oops wrong image, here it is. I added some little line texture thingies. PoppyShine (talk) 01:03, June 2, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Could you possibly define the shading on the neck, and what are these very light brown lines I see throughout the whole flank? Storm &#9835;  19:17, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Just asking, is there supposed to be texture? I thought Sorrel removed it when she redid the apprentice 22:42, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

She did, you're right. So please remove the texture. Storm &#9835;  22:51, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ok. PoppyShine (talk) 23:39, June 4, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Here. PoppyShine (talk) 23:56, June 4, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Poppy please dont align your image. I've told you how to not align them two times. As for the image itself, please define the light on the legs, head, and tail. Also I see that you seem to be just adding block shading around the edges of the image. Please look at the Apprentice Tutorials to get a better view on how to shade the warrior image. Storm &#9835;  00:09, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a bit more. 00:32, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sorrelstripe (Apprentice) ~ For Approval
I tried shading without blurring or smudging 10:04, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

In that case, what did you use it looks incredible! 0.0 define shading on the toes, and light on the legs :) 10:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

The base looks a little too dark. Would you like the .psd Sziri? Storm &#9835;  14:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups For the shading i use a small brush in a lower opacity(40-45) 19:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in <== that ear? Storm &#9835;  22:00, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

That ear doesn't need shading- almost all of my images don't have ear shading over there, and I don't think the source requires it. Most of the time, the ear is completely covered by ear pink, and shading that isn't mandatory either.

'''Comment? ''' 19:26, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you can ask for comments just yet Storm  &#9835;  19:34, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I think its fine if they ask now. The last reupload date was more than 3 days ago, and the only comment since then has been declared invalid. Storm, please leave things like this to the leads- its a part of our duties. You are still an apprentice. =\ As for the image, define the facial shading if there is any. It may just be my phone's screen, so if you think it lools okay, then its fine if you choose to ignore me. Wonderful job! =)

Breeze I'm a warrior now K thanks. Also I didnt tell them they couldn't ask. I said I think they couldnt. Way different. As for the image define the light overall Storm  &#9835;  22:08, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define shading a bit? Its hard to see. 23:34, 05/31/2015

Regardless, you've really been acting like a mini lead by saying such things. Your job right now is to critique the image itself- not scold the user. All I'm asking is if you'll chill with that- your attitude isn't nessecary. Define the tail shading while your at it, please. 21:36, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 05:12, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups I think the shadig is still hard to see btw :p 15:44, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Appledusk (Star) ~ For Approval
Right, my turn to give it a crack. 22:39, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  22:54, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I just lightened the shading cause I think it seemed too dark. 23:37, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

You still need to define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  23:43, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 04:18, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define light on the forepaw, smooth out earpink, and maybe define shading on the part where the shoulder meets the side? I love his eyes 13:41, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the depth on the face 13:58, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Dunno if this counts as face depth but define the eye depth? For a traitor, he's got some nice eyes. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:59, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Chuck everything under the shading! It was asked for! Have you read Mapleshade's Vengeance? Mapleshade is more a traitor than anything. Anywho, I made the eyes by lining up the colours from his warrior image, then blurring it together. Works very well with images that have lots of room for the eyes. 04:48, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

The face is now too dark. Lighten it up please Storm  &#9835;  13:05, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you not to put the eyes under the shading :P define light on the tail 13:25, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I've lightened it around the eye. I just don't want to mess around with it because it's so pretty! 04:37, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. 10:21, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs. 23:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in the earpink in ===> this ear. Storm &#9835;  01:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Err, there isn't any shading. I've put some highlights previously but that's all it needs. 04:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Then add some shading in that ear Storm  &#9835;  17:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

With Stealthfire's source I don't think she needs shading there, Storm. 20:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

When light is shining inside a ear, you still need some shading at least to signify the actual depth of the inside of the ear... Storm &#9835;  21:56, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I tried it Storm, and it looked terrible, blurred or smudged shading. I gave it a bit of highlight for depth, and that is more than a lot of images are given. I'd like a second opinion on this, but please do not insist so much as I feel this is about to turn into an argument. 22:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading and either lighten it a bit or tint it. I don't know whether it's just the scream of my iPad or something, but the black shading just kind of throws off the colour for me. 12:13 Sat May 30

a pixel of waste ontop of his head. 14:43, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Is that better? If it doesn't work then I'll redo the shading to match the warrior a bit more, cause I got it right there. 22:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define it a little more; and make the face shading...I don't know, mould to the face? Right now it just kind of looks like a blob of a darker colour. 03:59 Sun May 31

Reupload Is that better? 05:24, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpen the edges of the shading a bit? 23:36, 05/31/2015

I think all you've done is darken it. By define, I mean sharpen the edges, like Ferk said. Also, I think what you've done is just overblur it entirely. It's just not working right now; as I said before, it just looks like darker blotches in places. Sharpen it some more, or add a second layer to give it some depth or something. 13:14 Mon Jun 1

Yeah I just redid the shading altogether. 22:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

The fact shading still needs work. I think it's too dark and still throwing off the colour, and it's just not working as shading should. It still looks like a dark blob, not adding any sort of perspective or shape. Please fix it. 06:22 Wed Jun 3

I am going to lighten some shading, but don't just tell me something you already said before then leaving it. The way I'm doing it is obviously not working because the problem is still there, so tell me a way to fix it, then there might be more progress. 06:29, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Given your source, I think the shading could be on either side of the head and still work. I've used this source and had the shading on the other side and it looks slightly better. Why not switch <-- arm shading and the head shading to the other side and see how it looks? Also, Berry's comment was fine, imho. It's still more detailed and suggestive than most of the comments I've seen over the years.

Sorry Berry I was a little frustrated the same suggestion kept coming up. Can you show a red line or a picture example Jayce? In my head, it makes the light source really confusing. 06:41, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Do you see where the head shading is on Brackenwing's alt? (yes, I know it's choppy, but that's not the point) Well, Appledusk has the same basic source, with the exception that the left paw (<--) and the head shading are flipped to the opposite side. Why not try switching that, so it matches Brackenwing's source, and see where it gets you? I think it's just clashing because of the eyes, and that side of the image is kinda cluttered with the lineart, the eyes, ect.

Define the leg shading a smidge? Storm &#9835;  19:19, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Hmm, not too sure. 04:54, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

This looks much better! Well done~ See, sometimes, while the source will work with most images, there are occasionally those buggers that don't want to cooperate with you, and I think this was the case here. =\

Switch the tail shading to the other side. With your new light source it'd be on the other side, as well as you need shading below the neck. Switch the shading on ==> that paw, since the light source is coming from <== here. Also add a liiiiiittle shading on ==> this side of the chin on the head. Storm &#9835;  14:36, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Juniperpaw (K) ~ For Approval
21:36, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

lighten or darken the shading, I cant see it very well. 21:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Darkened because if I lighten it, it will be the same color as the pelt 22:10, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and a tiny bit of the chest 00:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

It might just be me, but I'm having a really hard time making out the actual structure of the face. Could you possibly lighten the base a smidge and/or the shading so we can actually see the lineart through it? Storm &#9835;  01:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think lightening the shading would do the trick. The base itself is fine, and a shade I've used many many times before.

Re-upped I lightened the shading a few ticks. Hopefully that's better. 20:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Could be my screen or my eyes, but could you define -> this earpink? I know there's shading but I'm having some trouble seeing it. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 21:48, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I was actually meaning to do that myself, just forgot. 22:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

There's a straight line of black/near-black waste on the top of his head to our right ear. 13:51, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Waste has been removed. 14:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Waste on the edge of the images. its one pixel wide, so its not notisable with the naked eye very well. But if you zoom up close, you can see it. 20:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I hate waste. 22:14, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the hind paw? 21:41, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped 23:15, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time still seeing the mouth lines under your shading. Could you possibly lighten that there or erase some of it? Storm &#9835;  19:20, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Yep. Shifted the shading downwards. 20:31, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest Blanks - For Approval
I wasn't sure whether I should upload these all seperately or keep them together or make a new file or what, so I just used my personal image for now. In order, from left to right, top before bottom, we have a shorthaired male, longhaired female, shorthaired female, and a longhaired male. Thank you again, Hawky, for letting me do the blanks for these. :) Oh, and I hope there's not an issue with me doing these and still doing Maplestar's StarClan image. If there is, I'll take Maplestar's down, but I really really hope there isn't. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 05:23, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

They should be uploaded under four individual files- I think for these, we'll use File:Dark Forest.male.short.png, File:Dark Forest.female.short.png, File:Dark Forest.male.long.png, File:Dark Forest.female.long.png, so if you could upload each blank to their respective filenames, that would be lovely. You can also have Maplestar's alt as well, since blanks are not the same things as images.

Hmmm, I am not sure, but is it possible to make each of them bigger? They seem to be quite small compared to the rest of the blanks. 08:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about? The loners and rogues are about this size, and the rogue blanks are even smaller. The prey hunter and to-be blanks are smaller as well, Burnt. The size of her blanks are perfectly acceptable.

I don't suppose you could smooth out the lineart on the end of the shorthair's tail, maybe? Also, random note, you only need to upload one shorthair and one longhair since the only gender difference is the eyelash thing on the females, so you can just upload the other gender blanks when they get CBA'd. It's just a bit easier. 09:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Still not sure if I'm allowed to critique, not being in the project. Anyway, I wanted to say that the front left paw looks a bit twisted. I do know it is swiping but it looks back to front. And for the record I agree with Burntclaw about the size. --EosOfTheDawn (talk) 10:39, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a member of PCA, but I'd like to point out that the right front leg looks like a back leg. Also, it it just me, or does the line with the small dot between the shoulder lines looks a bit weird? Songheart (talk) 10:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)Songheart

I honestly think that the size looks fine. And is the black "spot" on the tail-tip supposed to be there? Right now it's standing out and it looks kinda strange. . . may as well be just my opinion. . 12:36, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I uploaded the short male and long female under the names Skye said. I smoothed out the tail on the shorthair, got rid of the funky line on the tail of the longhair and replaced it with better lines for the fur, smoothed out some lines for the right (the cat's right) front leg, and added paw pads to the swiping paw to try and clear up which way it's facing. I think that helped, but I'm not sure? If you think the paw pad looks weird, I'll get rid of it, but I'm not sure how else to make it clear that the paw is facing that way. As for the front leg looking like a back leg, it's just bending, like in this photo: http://www.kimballstock.com/pix/CAT/02/CAT-02-JE0325-01P.JPG As for the size, I tried to make it right around the size of the loner and rogue. I also added the shoulder blade of the swiping paw, as it should be raised if the paw is being raised like that. And I fixed some issues with the back left (cat's left) leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:47, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

The part of the shorthair tail just above the leg looks a little lumpy, too, could you smooth that out as well? Also, the head looks like it's attached to the shoulder, if you get what I'm saying? Perhaps define where the head ends and the shoulder/neck/whatever begins? Lastly, the shorthair's chest looks slightly odd too, if you removed the leg it'd be either lumpy or just a straight line. If you get what I mean, I'm not so good at explaining things, and my anatomy isn't exactly perfect. 16:53, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Something thats been bothering me about the shorthair blank. The chest and ribcage dont really connect well. Could you connect them better? Storm &#9835;  17:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so this'll be difficult for me to explain. On the most visible hind leg, the 3rd toe, the one that just looks like a rectange connected to the foot on both of the images, could be a bit more rounder or popped out a bit more. But have it stay behind all of the other toes. Oh. that wasnt so difficult for me to say at all then, btw great job <3 19:07, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I may not be a part of the charart team, but I just want to point something out. I think the cats' necks need to be longer because the necks are kind scrunched up and you can barely see them. Thank you, I just thought that was important. Livboomer (talk)Livboomer

Reuploaded. Those necks still might need some lengthening, but they definitely look better than they did. I rounded the toe, lengthened the necks, connected the ribcage and chest better, smoothed out the tail, and dropped the shoulder on the front leg that isn't raised so that the one with the paw held up is raised higher. Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Also I think with the way you're signifying the cat's ears, the ear thats barely visible on the other side of the head shouldn't be there, as the ear we can fully see is obviously lower than the top of the head. Storm &#9835;  21:59, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

With the long-haired, where it runs along her back then leads to her tail, can you give it more fluff? It just looks like the tail is more hanging off the body man I sound vague! At the bottom of the tail where it connects to the body, just add some fluff. I can draw up a redline of what I mean if you want. 22:02, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I tried to do what you said with the tail, Stealthfire, but I dunno whether I did exactly what you meant. I tried. I also lengthened the neck again, tweaked the ear, and fixed it so the other ear doesn't show. Jayie Unwritten words~ 01:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Yep that is much better! I think with the shoulder, it stands out a bit too much. Maybe remove the vertical line of it and for the long-furred, make the shoulder a little furry. This is really well done. 03:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Which vertical line? One's the neck continuing, which I think is important because it shows where the neck is between the two shoulder blades, and the other is the other shoulder blade, which it would look very odd without. I'm going to try and find a good reference photo of the shoulder blades being positioned like this, to show what I was going for, but I'll look for it tomorrow. Jayie Unwritten words~ 03:36, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure but should the whiskers be a bit longer? Cats usually have very long whiskers unless they were cut off. 03:54, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I mean this line. While we're at it, can you flatten the back paw as circled a bit? Just looks like it needs to. 03:58, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:41, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Can you make the thigh a tad rounder? 22:17 Sat May 30

I decided to give you the luxury of a visual =P So here ya go: http://www.ezimba.com/work/150531C/ezimba11370768731700.png -- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 22:36, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

There are head whiskers on the queen blanks, so those can stay. It's a very real and legitimate part of a cat, so there's no need to remove it.

Reuploaded. Made all the changes except for getting rid of the head whiskers. Like Skye said, they're on the queen, and they're part of a cat. I also made the right front paw a bit bigger, it was bugging me. Jayie Unwritten words~ 05:19, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define the haunch on the longhaired blank? 08:00, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think the haunch is fine as is. An angry cat fluffs out its fur to make it look bigger, and on a longer haired cat especially it can decrease definition between some body areas. These blanks look great though. Wow. 13:21 Mon Jun 1

The line connecting the eye and the nose makes it look strange, like a ridge. Also, the jaw looks a little wobbly at the bottom. Perhaps smooth out the lines? --EosOfTheDawn (talk) 17:56, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Made the whiskers longer, as per Burntclaw's suggestion earlier on that I somehow didn't notice, and smoothed out the jaw line. That's the point of the nose line, though. Cats do have a ridge connecting the nose to the eyes. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:10, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

is it possible to make the right hind leg (to us) look a little less flat footed? like since cats are always on their toes, it just looks tad odd. (i promise im not trying to be rude) 19:46, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it was intentional, but the bottom of the top jaw looks a bit too flat. Maybe try rounding it just by a couple pixels in places could remedy this? If you think its fine, then by all means ignore me. =P These look wonderful, Jayie. 21:41, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made the top jaw a little rounder. As for the paw, I was told by Stealthfire to make it flatter, so I'm hesitant to switch it back, though I agree that it's a little too flat. I'm only doing this because I've gotten two different opinions on this - but what do other people think I should do? Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:52, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think it could be rounded a little, it looks very flat at the moment. Could you also smooth out the line on the leg that is the furthest away from us? 11:25, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made the paw less flat, and changed the back leg so it wasn't so much thicker than the other legs. I really made the longhaired leg look wonky, I'll fix it on the next upload, but I'm pretty happy with the shorthair leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 16:01, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't the short-haired blank have the same line on the bridge of the tail that the long-haired does? I'm not good with anatomy, sorry, so I'll hardly comment on these..

Smooth out the line on the back leg of the shorthaired where it connects to the body, like it is on the longhaired. These look so amazing Jayie, I can't wait to see them put to use! 14:03, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I wasn't really sure what you meant by smooth it out, I hope this is what you meant. And Skye, I'm not sure what you mean by the bridge of the tail. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:41, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

I meant the line on the tail near the rump of the cat and I believe I used the wrong word due to lack of sleep, my apologies. I'm an idiot.

Ah, gotcha. And no, not since the tail is fluffy, the fluff obscures the actual tail itself, if that makes sense, so it can be higher than the actual bone and skin of the tail. And someone else told me to raise it earlier, so that's why it's higher. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:31, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Personal preference here, but could you maybe make the long haired tail a little bit thinner? It looks a little too fluffy at the moment. If you think it is fine, feel free to disregard me. 08:30, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I think the tail fluff is fine, actually. Given that cats can have super fluffy tails, it's totally acceptable to have one this fluffy. Also floof is awesome hail the floof.

theyre supposed to be??? what does making them less fluffy even accomplish 08:38, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I really don't get how it's too fluffy. There are cars with even fluffier tails than this, and this fits the fluffiness of the rest of the pelt, I believe. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:35, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure but, could you make the neck/head slightly longer (possibly make the ears wider) and the back less tall? (Tweak it to your liking) Like this: http://i62.tinypic.com/2467zhv.png. — ☆ ＦＩＲＲＥＬ  ★    ❝ ❤ ❞  15:47, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Cloudstar (Ki) - CBA
This pattern is extremely hard to shade. All colors are from the leader, and that is the pattern I'm matching, as it was first in the set. Yes, he's tinted purple.

sorry to say, but I cant see the shading verry well on his legs or his tail, mind defining both of them? 19:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste next to the hindpaw 00:21, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. There shouldn't be waste with how I layer my images..

Very bootiful indeeds. Defin the light on the back paw and darken the shading just a   tiny bit     14:40, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Blue the shading just a bity on <--- that paw 15:01, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, Bramble. Are you sure that's not a patch of gray you're asking me to blur? I know it might look hard-edged, but that's not actually shading right there... I don't think... You asked me to define the leg shading, and I think smudging it would probably defeat that purpose. Hell, I actually think the paw shading for that one needs to be defined anyways- I can't tell it apart from the gray, but I could be wrong, given that my screen's color calibrations are slightly different from yours.

From my screen, it looks good so.. -- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 04:15, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Might be a gray patch seeing it looks almost exactly the same as the other colour of gray 21:51, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you possibly define the shading on the back hindpaw? I'm having difficulty seeing it. 21:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

With the way the pattern is, I don't actually think I can do that without it being pretty much solid purple shading. I tried that before when Brambleshade asked me and I had an extremely rough time trying to even define it that much. I'm not trying to be difficult or anything- this is just a hellish pattern to shade.

Could you darken the shading or something? I'm having a hard time seeing it. I can see it just fine on the face and neck, but not really anywhere else. Storm &#9835;  14:38, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I've darkened it about as much as I can without changing the shading color from what's used on his leader image.

This is extremely cute. CBA? 20:20, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Fernsong (Ki) - CBA
I forgot how to charart. 03:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

No, you didn't. =P Can you define the ear pink? I can't really see it.

Re-Uploaded  03:12, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Do you want the file? I have both the apprentice and Jayie's warrior. 10:15, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Oyes that would be great thank you! 15:21, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, do you have an email or something I could send it to? 17:20, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 20:07, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Uh, Breezeheart, there hasn't been any comments, Shinx only offered her the file o.o 13:05, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, my apologies. 19:08, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Y'know, I honestly don't think she even needs the file.. I think it matches wonderfully. I wanna CBA this, given that the only comment she had telling her to do something was me on the 30th.

Slightfoot (W) ~ For Approval
All color-picked from the apprentice 07:46, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Smoothen out the texture more and widen the white chest. 14:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

i would recommend very dull highlights since i used those for the apprentice, and the texture needs to be smudged a lot. 16:16, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Remove the waste around the tail, it looks like there was a longhaired blank that wasn't completely erased. 18:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups - not sure if I got the waste, I couldn't see any waste on my computer >   ><    <  23:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

You did ^.^ Blur the shading a little bit, I'm not sure if it's the texture affecting it on my screen, but it looks a bit hard edged 21:46, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups 07:11, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Lizardtail (W) ~ For Approval
lizardsquad.png 16:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and feet farthest from us 16:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * define the neck shading aswell plez 19:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

The light is coming from the front, therefore the front legs do not need shading. And the neck is fine as well. wtf david you're too good at this 04:02 Sun May 31

re-uploaded there isnt any neck shading to define lmfao 19:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth the shading? 21:49, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the head, if there is any. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

re-uploaded 08:40, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading more Storm  &#9835;  15:54, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

i dont blur my shading, ive said this multiple times. and frankly its not going to get anymore smudged, otherwise you wont even be able to see it anymore. 15:58, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpclaw (SC) (Alt. Rogue) ~ Declined
Right Alt? ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  19:49, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I would suggest darkening or defining the shading more and define the light on the legs aswell. I would also smudge the stripes up and down instead of leaf and right. 19:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back legs. 22:06, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Real sorry about that, I didn't see Bramble's comment. I'm so dumb 22:08, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

This is a great way to smudge the stripes, I don't think you need to change it. Maybe smooth out the shading overall, nicely done Sun! :) 15:36, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re~Upped Thank you Silver. :)  ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  16:17, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back leg farthest from us Storm  &#9835;  18:31, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and face. Looks good ^.^ 21:53, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light in the forepaw furthest from us. And I believe this should be named File:Sharpclaw_(SC).rogue.alt instead of File:Sharpclaw.rogue.alt? Just unsure 07:57, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as nice as this image is, it's extremely unwarranted. He doesn't look brown-and-white in his CotC picture. He looks like a slightly darker ginger-colored cat. Ginger isn't always reddish- it's orange too.

Silverstream (Alt Q) ~ CBA
omfg redone queen 05:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Omfg how gorgeous can this get!!! Smooth out tail shading, define shading on /our/ right front leg and left back leg. Oh right, with this source, should her shoulder shading be on the left too? Such a beauty!!!!!! 15:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded The shoulder is fine, I used the same source on Lilyheart and no one had a problem with it. 08:05, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not all shading places work on all colours the same way, even if they do have the same light source; don't just say 'fine' and be done with it. It looks lazy. Anyway! Smooth out the shading on everywhere besides the tail. Smudge it a little or something. This is looking gorgeous though. Very nice job o: 13:17 Mon Jun 1

She gave a reason so I don't see it lazy :P The shading looks smooth enough to me (and I love the fricken style Foxy uses on her shadings) but I think it should be extended a bit^^ OMG I totally getting charmed by this I can't stop staring at it! :o 13:23, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Berry, the lightsource doesn't get affected by the color and it depends on its position. The color of the shading could be altered, but the lightsource itself doesn't. I added a bit of shading there, smoothed it out and expanded it everywhere except for the tail. And thanks a ton ^^ 13:27, June 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know the source doesn't get affected by the colour. All I was saying is that "it worked fine on another image so it's okay" feels lazy to me. Shading can be affected by colour and pattern, no matter the source. ( oh boy i hope im allowed to comment with just this it's been like a year ) 13:34 Mon Jun 1

Sorry for being vague about that. And ok 13:38, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 11:45, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? Wonderful job. 19:06, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

i hate to be the bearer of bad news but i dont think this image is valid. while shes definitely blueish in the image, we still dont know what rank shes presented as. 16:56, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

She's mentioned as a queen, and besides, she looks a bit plump in that image. I'm not assuming, I'm just mentioning, of all ranks, the queen is likely. I think it's valid. 17:01, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

just because her being a queen is mentioned, doesnt mean thats the rank shes shown as. its a complete assumption to assume shes a queen, or any other rank. she could be in starclan or a warrior or anything, and as a riverclan cat, itd be more unusual for her to not be plump. 17:05, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Russetfur (Lo. Alt) - For Approval
I know not how to Charart. (Jayie how do you export this as a png in an iPad?) 02:27, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

This is beautiful! Can you blur the shading more? I won't bug you about the white box. (Box=trying to export on iPad I suppose.)   ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  03:09, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Got rid of the white background, blurred the shading a little. 08:09, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, this looks amazing. :D And it depends on what program you're using. If you're using ArtStudio, there should be an option to either email it as a PSD, or a PNG. Also, define the shading on the cheek. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:44, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Thank you! I used Art Studio for this image. It worked. I'm not sure why the ipad converts everything into a JPG but eh. 07:49, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Oh my, this is gorgeous, Burnt! Define the shading on the legs? 11:44, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Thank you! 13:12, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Onestar (alt. D) ~ For Approval
Can I?  omg this is the clumsiest tabby I've ever seen  Let's hope this is the right alt 13:33, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Littlecloud isn't archived. Please make sure te declined section is archived before you post. I will archive it this time, but next time this will get declined. 13:46, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading/light on the legs and the shading on the tail Storm  &#9835;  19:22, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Also the white stripe/patches need to be blurred a bit more, and you need a white tail-tip. I think the eyes need to amber to match the Also the white on the paws needs to be moved up a bit on the leg. Storm &#9835;  16:34, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Onestar (Alt. W) ~ For Approval
special thanks to david for uploading this for me bc im stuck with my ipad;;; 11:07 Fri Jun 5

Don't the alt warrior and deputy have to match? If that's the case, then since the warrior was posted first, shouldn't this match that one? Just curious Storm  &#9835;  15:46, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

They're supposed to match the alt leader, which I, and the above artist, tried to do. If it's not matching for you let me know. I did my best and that pattern is an ass but I suppose I can try to do better. <span style="">16:26 Fri Jun 5

Yours actually does match the leader, so I'll tell the above artist. But the above artist does have the color correct I believe. For the image, could you add a small amount of shading to the base of the tail by the hindquarters? And make the color a bit more orange-ish (idk what word im looking for) Also the alt leader's eyes are amber, so idk if that has to match? Looking good Berry! Storm &#9835;  16:31, June 5, 2015 (UTC)