Warriors Wiki talk:Reality

Businesses to Take Care of
Project Reality has officially been started.

It has been decided by Atelda that we should work out the bugs before adding any new members. Here are the bugs I see:
 * We need to officially decide what articles should be included in this project.
 * We need to figure out when an article qualifies for a certain grade.
 * We need guidelines that document the layout of each type of article. (i.e. Author, Erin Hunter Chat, etc.)

Here are some possible answers that we can use:
 * Authors, Illustrators, Years, Apps, Chats, and any other article that is not in the other three projects.
 * As for the grading, we need to figure out these qualifications as a group.
 * As for the guidelines, perhaps someone could volunteer to draft these on a sub page of theirs and receive critique.

If there are other issues, please speak up, and voice your answers. :) 17:15, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

In the discussion about creating the new project, Helix mentioned that this project can also manage the front page, and the community portal. How does that sound? As for what the articles included, I agree to having authors, illustrators, years, etc.

Concerning when an article qualifies for a certain grade, I would say it's like a combination of the guidelines of PW, and PC. The article would need a certain amount of length as well as references.

Another issue is format. In the discussion, it was mentioned that for authors, illustrators, and such that something such as a charcat would do with a few modifications. Does that still sound good? Should we also have a different format for chats, timelines, and articles like those? 17:28, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that that would work. We should also include sections on biography, works, trivia, etc. 17:30, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me, I don't exactly understand what this project is trying to do. :) Can someone please explain?  HA WK FI RE98  17:35, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Check Forum:New Project. 17:36, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

So, my guess is this is where the Author Chats, Bios and everything related to the real word will be located, correct? It would make sense to put them here. Also, would all of the articles have the possibility to be voted on? I really don't think you could vote on the Erin Hunter Chats..but.. I think you get my point. 17:54, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

There really is no information on some of the articles (i.e Hilary Zarycky), so where will we have to get our information from to add to those articles? Wikipedia? 17:58, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Chats probably won't get a vote, but maybe a discussion for contributer consensus. As for the lack of information, we could always look them up on google. Would that be ok? 18:55, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 18:56, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Guidelines are here. I haven't done much to it yet, just to see what other people think we should include. 15:23, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

How about including if the author has a website or official blog? I know Kate Cary has one. We already have pages for the authors and illustrators, so what we could do is see how Wikipedia or some other information source does their layouts, and get ideas from that, perhaps. 15:42, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

That's a great idea! Feel free to add it to the guidelines. 15:53, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

If I think of any more, I'll be sure to let you know. 16:01, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

About the articles to be included in the project, how about articles like the front page and the community portal? 19:46, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

The FAs would still be taken care of by their respective projects, correct? I think that PR should take care of the new releases, news and stuff like that. I think the Community Portal should also be maintained by PR as well. After all, it is the "real" part of the wiki. 19:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the FA's would still be maintained by the other projects. Otherwise, I think that it would be good to include the community portal and front page in the project. 19:57, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

And yes, we should include all the articles the other Projects don't have included in them. 18:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Announcement
Me and Atelda have decided that the Warriors Wiki page, also known as the Front Page, will only be able to be edited by me and her, despite the admins of the wiki and the rollbacks. xD Do the rest of the users agree? 22:30, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. It makes everything a lot easier to keep in line. The only thing that doesn't apply to is the FA. You may want to make that clear. At least, that's what Atelda says. 22:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mhm. That's what applies. We're also not going to make these type of articles silver, to get that through. 22:44, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, should the news about the browse insides, books and other important information be placed here as well as their respective projects? 22:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep. We want to keep the community portal and such updated as well as having the other projects contributing. 23:25, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed that you guys have this figured out already. For it only being stared a few days ago, this is really organized. 23:26, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks xD We just want this project to be the best it can be. 23:28, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think saying only certain people can edit a page is inappropriate in the grand scene of how a wiki is intended to work. Items such as feature articles must remain the domain of their individual projects. But, having the Warriors Wiki page and it's various included pages (that do not belong to other projects) included in the Reality Project is a good idea. 01:17, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. I know this is off in the future somewhere, but could the future Senior Warriors of this project help out on the Community Portal too? Or is it all going to be taken care of by the leader and deputy? I know it's not urgent now, but I'm just wondering xD 02:14, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a really good question. It would make sense. After all, the leads can't do everything on their own - they're going to need help. 02:22, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's bad wiki etiquette to say "only users X, Y, and Z can edit this page". Pages should only ever be protected when absolutely necessary. This means to edit a page, you don't even need to be a kit in the applicable project. Projects only indicate the squads who have a responsibility and an expressed intention to fulfill those responsibilities. I do think that the scope of the Reality Project could easily include the Wiki's reality, too, in addition to Fandom reality. 02:28, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The sections on the front page that fall into the other projects will remain untouched by this one. If/When we have senior warriors, well, we will probably cross that bridge once it's reached. Does that sound good? 02:34, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think I already stated that... Each of the FAs will be taken care of by their respective projects. I do think I understand where Kitsu's coming from. But, I've noticed, only certain people have edited the main page anyways. I think it's the unwritten rule for members not to touch it. Same with the Community Portal. The only edit I ever did was to correct something Moonflight did - she called Nightshine a guy, I do believe. 02:38, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's terrible, that members feel unwelcome to edit the news page. I know not all users are comfortable with it, but it seems like most people don't even realize there's a place to bring up news and ensure it's posted even if they're not comfortable editing it. Something should be done to fix it so that there's a more "open to what needs to get posted, even if a project leader or sysop doesn't do it". 17:37, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I meant - by leader and deputy, sorry. If we retired, it wouldn't have stayed like that. So, for now, despite the admins and rollbackers, the leader and deputy of this project will only be able to edit the Front Page. When we get senior warriors, they can edit, but approval by the leader or deputy first. 22:15, July 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me be clear: You will not ban anyone from editing the main page. Anyone with the level of understanding of wikicode to make necessary changes may make them and no project should ever forbid users from changing pages when changes are needed/merited/warranted, ect. That's not how wiki's work. Noone is "in charge" or a page and has the ability, or even the right to control the content of a page. It's about consensus and agreement of the wiki's community. Not what the Leader or a Deputy of a project approve. Even the project guidelines for this project should get voted on by the project after they're discussed. Consensus decision-making is a founding principal of wikis. If you want to make a system of approvals for what edits go into certain pages, that's fine. But It should be a consensus oriented system, not a system of "ask the project leader". 17:37, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Icestorm and I agree that it's unfair for only us to edit the main page. So what does everyone want to do? Just not include the CP and main page? 21:08, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the project should still be the one assigned to the page. Just have them not be locked to specific people. You don't have to be a part of project characters if you see something that should be in a character article but isn't, after all ;) 22:10, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should just leae it open. 22:38, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey can I join?
Hello I'm Firestar1122000 (or Rowanfligth) and I would like to join this project. Thanks! 16:46, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

We're currently not taking join requests, sorry. 16:55, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, now we are. I'll add you in. 22:44, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

New work for y'all
Okay guys, I've got a thing for you that you'll need to decide how you're going to cope with it. Someone created the article Erin Hunter Chat 8. They are not, however, referring to a Wands & Worlds chat. What they're referring to is the recent Author Tracker announcement that on the 27th of July Vicky will be signing on to the forums to answer some of the questions in the Ask Erin forum. I know for a fact that it's 100% incorrect and misleading to label it as "Erin Hunter Chat 8", so I went and altered the article that was made to indicate it hasn't happened yet. The Ask Erin session will need some sort of article, this is true. But, and this is where you guys come in, it needs some sort of article name scheme and article setup to be worked out. So, I hand it off to y'all to take care of, since this is exactly the sort of thing you were put together to handle. 17:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Kitsu! I think an option could be, "Ask Erin" and then we could list the dates Vicky and/or the other Erins logged on and then under the dates we could have the information that was revealed. We can also have individual articles too like "Ask Erin session 1" and then just have the new information in the articles. As for the format, would anyone be in favor of including the question and answer like Q and A or just list the information revealed? 03:31, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I think a Q and A would be nice so that way users can see a little more info and get a little more involved Oh no! emergency!   C a n y o n s o n g   Candypaw to the rescue!   20:01, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm allowed to comment yet, but I'd like it better if the information were listed. The users reading it don't need to seem involved, as this is an encyclopedic wiki. 02:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, I agree. 22:25, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. If we started doing a Q and A thing, there may be people that take it into their own hands and start messing with things... Squirrel's correct, as this is an encyclopedia-like wiki. 11:23, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Archives?
Is there going to be someone to create the archive pages, so we don't see the page fill up with join requests? If need be, I can start one, and place the usual menu on the page for you guys. 11:24, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take care of that right now. 19:36, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Userboxes
Has anyone done a userbox for this project? 20:00, August 4, 2011, (UTC)

This project is new, so we'll either have to wait for someone to make it, or not make it at all. I think. 09:26, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

We'll make it - we just have to take the coding from the other projects. 16:47, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

However we also need to have an icon. Any suggestions are welcome 17:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe a globe, or some image of the world? 22:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That will fall under World. Maybe a pic of a human, considering it's reality? 01:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say just any human, for copyright issues. We didn't allow that in Project World when we wanted to put a human for the Twoleg articles. Perhaps a globe on top of a book...? Or maybe one of the authors? I stink at ideas xP 01:09, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

We could have a picture of a city?  ☮Owl      X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  07:28, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I think Kitsu has some ideas. We should wait for her input. 20:09, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I like the picture of a city 15:29, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I think the picture of a city woyld make sense and look good, good idea Owl! <span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#00688B;">Oh no! emergency!  <font color="#080808">C <font color="#1F1F1F">a <font color="#363636">n <font color="#4D4D4D">y <font color="#636363">o <font color="#787878">n <font color="#8A8A8A">s <font color="#A1A1A1">o <font color="#B0B0B0">n <font color="#C2C2C2">g   <span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#CC1100;">Candypaw to the rescue!   19:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree with the city. It's a good choice. ♥Firestar♥<font color="#33CCFF">Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 18:06, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

How would we take a picture of a city? That seems kind of impossible. :P 01:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for liking my idea. I don't know how we could put it together either though. Does it have to be a particular city? <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  04:56, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=city+at+night&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1366&bih=598&tbm=isch&tbnid=fpV7w3N5OUBObM:&imgrefurl=http://www.wallpaperpimper.com/wallpaper/download-wallpaper-City_At_Night-size-1920x1200-id-70986.htm&docid=M1jSPfmJpxi-9M&w=1920&h=1200&ei=nFhBTrnvNrS10AGs8LiwCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=268&page=2&tbnh=108&tbnw=172&start=18&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:18&tx=47&ty=73 - This is a picture of NYC at night. 15:57, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh! That looks perfect for a logo! :P I think it's great! 20:04, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

That looks perfect! <font color="Aqua" face="Chalkboard" style="background:black">şŋσщđąẕẕℓε ѕeverυs ѕɴαpe.  19:04, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

And, if most of the users don't approve of it, (or if it's copyrighted) I'm going to Portugal tomorrow and I'll be able to take a pic of Ponta Le Gada at night or something like that. xD 20:37, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Project tag
Is this the official project tag? Just wanted to check before adding it. 01:24, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is, however we still need to decide on an Icon to go with it, for now however, we should start marking pages. 01:27, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Including the Erin Hunter Chats and the Erin Hunter Answers Your Questions, right? 02:41, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yep! 02:43, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I think I got all the pages. If I missed anything, feel free to add it in! 02:53, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Join
Can I join? 04:31, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Of course, I'll add you in momentarily. Welcome to the project! 15:44, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Joining :3
Hey y'all, can I join? Looks like fun! :D <font color="Aqua" face="Chalkboard" style="background:black">şŋσщđąẕẕℓε ѕeverυs ѕɴαpe.  17:35, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yep! Welcome, see the guidelines for an indication of what the project does :) 17:39, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nominations
Hi all, just wondering, when are we going to start nominating articles? <font color="Aqua" face="Chalkboard" style="background:black">şŋσщđąẕẕℓε ѕeverυs ѕɴαpe.  22:12, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * How can article nominations begin prior to the article guidelines being settled? 01:55, August 12, 2011 (UTC)