Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Redoing Images?
Okay, FEEL FREE to COMPLETELY disagree with me. But anyways, I'm starting not to like the rule, when someone redos an image, they have to do the rest of the character's images. I know it's a fine idea and all, but people sometimes don't follow that rule, and the images turns out fine. People actually don't follow that rule quite often. Besides, without the rule, it would give more warriors a chance to tweak an image. Bottom line, I'm not so happy with this rule, and there are so many rules in PCA. 01:13, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I might not be a warrior but when I am one, that is one rule we can do with out. I just want to tweak charart's so i know how to do those certain types of cats, like white's or tabbies or torties, and others. I don't want to have to follow taht because that limits the amout of charart's you can tweak and i find it unfair. Rain face &lt;3 01:16, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

To me, if you can copy the other artist's stripes or markings, you're fine. The user who has done the first image shouldn't have the act to focus on everything else. If you can copy, then do it, in my opinion. 01:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

How about asking permission from the person first before redoing an image that they were supposed to? (kinda like redoing an image & asking a lead) That way people wont bring the rule up when this occurs - 01:27, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I did that with Wildheart. I don't like this rule either, and we aren't exactly following it at the moment. Since it was created, we've violated it at least 10 times. 01:40, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I still like the idea, but maybe not make it so much a rule but more a basic good idea. So maybe, say that it's a good idea but not an actual rule. Other users would be given the chance to do characters that have been started by other users. i.e. Say I did Firestar's leader again but Stoneclaw decided to try his warrior. That'd be fine, but if the charart becomes to difficult, the other artist could be asked to do it since it only takes about 2-5 days to get approved. Thoughts? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:47, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can see what you guys mean, but, this is in place too to prevent a person from redoing an image then not doing the rest. Take me doing Goldenflower for example. I did a very complicated tabby pattern for her. Now, if I had just left it, maybe somebody else might do her queen. But they get frustrated because 1) they don't have her base colors and/or 2) It's too complicated for them to perfect. Also, I would have been kind of frustrated with someone doing one of her images because I knew exactly how her stripes were supposed to look on both sides of her, and that's something else to take into consideration. I'm not saying we have to stick to the rule, but I do rather like it. I do like the idea of it being a guideline, but fights could break out if, say, I did Goldenflower's warrior, then somebody did Goldenflower's kit, and I had wanted to do all of her images and there was nothing to say who was right. 01:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's idea. So (another example) lets say I for some reason re-did my first image, Skyheart, and all of the other images had to be redone. Someone could as me if I could do one of the other images, and I'd reply either yes or no. If no one ever asked me if I could do one of the other images, then I'd automatically do it. How's that? I am terrible at explaining things, so if that was difficult to comprehend then tell me. 02:43, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivystripe and Scarletwind. I think that the rule should stay, because the artist who did one rank knows the style and has the colors, but if someone askes if they can re-do the image, the one who was re-doing all the other images had to reply a yes or a no. If they say yes, and the one now doing the rank with permission finds it too difficult, the original artist doing all the ranks can take over. 05:32, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I like the idea of it being a rule, I think I like it being an idea. What do you guys think about this? 05:54, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think an idea is better than a rule. 05:31, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Scarletwind. 05:12, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's idea as well. 20:34, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I like Scarletwinds ide too, but like Ivystripe said, it doesnt sovle the problem of having only one image done and the rest being left. 00:25, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps we should just stick with the rule, it stops problems if you ask me, although I can't really talk as I'm only an apprentice. As Ivystripe stated, the artist doing all the other ranks will find it a lot easier to do the other chararts. 05:07, Mon, Nov, 28, 2011

Have we come to a decision on the matter? It seems so, as people have been breaking the original rule willy nilly (lol that expression) but I'm pretty apathetic on the topic, so don't count on me for a vote. 02:38 Fri Dec 2

Some Thoughts
So we were thinking that these should be part of the guidelines: So ya thats new. 23:23, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you leave/are removed from the project, you come back as a rank lower, regardless of what rank you are (Except apprentices, they have now where to go down.)
 * You now only have to be a member of the project for a month to be eligable for warrior nominaiton

And leaders/deputies who leave become SWs when they return? Or warriors? 23:30 Sat Dec 3

Wait, i re-joined a week ago....does that mean i have to be a apprentice again? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 23:35, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the possible guideline additions. It makes sense. 23:38 Sat Dec 3

It's just an idea, Maple, but if we all agree upon it, then you might. 00:01, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...Very well, if i have to, i won't complain(much.) Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 04:27, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I just have to say that it doesn't really matter what rank you are. The only difference from apprentices from the rest is that they can't tweak chararts and that's not a huge deal if you ask me. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:46, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really think this is necessary. The users with higher ranks have already have had experience and it doesn't make sense if they have to go down a rank if they leave and re-join. 23:56, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm neutral about this. I like the idea, however, as Ivyheart stated, they already have experience so it kind of deosn't make sence. But I have an idea for this. Lets say a user joined the project again, and before he/she was a senior warrior. They can be a warrior, but we could give them, lets say a month to prove themself worthy to be a senior warrior again, and if they fulfill that, they become a senior warrior. However, if they don't, they could either stay as a warrior or get kicked out, depending on how active they are. 05:56, Tue, Dec, 6, 2011

All the leads kinda already agreed these would be added... 01:35, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think it should depend upon the conditions on which they left. If I have to have another SW nomination, I'll be mad, because my inactivity is not my fault. Most users who are booted for inactivity is because they choose not to come on. I have no choice. 01:37, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Demotion Discussion
Look here to discuss the new idea of demotion. 23:31 Sat Dec 3

Proposal for the Elimination of Warrior Nominations
This conversation has been moved to the forum.

Description vs Alternate
I have started a discussion about what warranets an alt and what warrants a tweak. You can check it out here 00:45, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Something...
I think we should discuss about this. Too man users join this project and never do anything. It doesn't matter if they can't find a charart to do, they could still comment. Half the apprentices here never did anything. Any ideas to decrease the amount of apps joining and doing nothing? I believe this should be discussed. 04:18, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

A really random suggestion, so feel free to disagree, but we could make a pre-test, and all users willing to join have to past the test. It wouldn't be hard or anything, like one could be a charart, not so good one, and the users wanting to join will have to comment on something good about, and something bad. 05:03, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, no, and no. We cannot and will not exclude anybody from joining this project. I mean, yeah, I don't like it when apprentices join then when they don't get the cat they want, they throw a hissy fit and leave, or the ones who post a picture but leave because it's too hard. We've seen how things like this can be detrimental to the project, just look at the kit rank. We have to deal with users like that, but through all the non-quality users, you get gems like Thistleberry and Breezewhisker. We should just leave things the way they are, and if we have to deal with apprentices who don't follow the rules or have a bad attitude, so be it. They'll just have their name removed for inactivity. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just letting you know why it wouldn't work. 05:15, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Ivystripe. This probally won't work, but it is annoying how many users join and don't stay active. A pre-test for the project might work, but I doubt it. 08:32, Tue, Dec, 6, 2011

No, as seen with the kit rank, no "pretest" or exclusion is going fix this problem. We have this problem in every project. We've seen a solution to this problem, and all that "solution" did was cause more problems. 13:44, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't it just easier to remove them every few weeks for inactivity anyway? Having a pre-test would just casue more problems than needed. We don't need another kit rank mess. >:V -- Elorisa   14:01, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Not all apprentices do nothing. Also if they are it is probably because they can't find something to do or don't know what to do. Sorry but PCA doesn't have many images to do..that's why many have gone inactive. 16:10, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, being an apprentice sorta is a pre-test, isn't it? I agree that probably the best way to handle it is to just remove them if they become inactive, like you do now. ~Breezewhisker~ 21:52, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the kit system would work or having a mentor for about a week to show you around and teach you the basic things to say when commenting chararts 22:57, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

But we can't not let them reserve and do chararts. That's the whole point. Kit has already said preventing people from participating is counter-productive. 00:58, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think that we get all these users joining but do nothing because they think that joining PCA will make them cool or amazing or something. This is just my opinion, so don't start with personal reasons for joining. As to what to do, though it might take some more work, leads could keep track of apprentices/users who join but do nothing. I know we can't stop people from joining, but, honestly, if they're not going to actually do anything to help PCA, why bother letting them join? If, say user a asks to join pca, gets accepted, does nothing and gets removed and the sequence repeats about 3 times, I think it's really not worth the time to re-add them to the project. It's just useless effort and work that we have to do in good faith that they'll actually help the project. Yes, I'm frustrated so my tone might feel a bit coarse, but I hate this problem, I always have and always will. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:06, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Announcement: Apprentices
Hey guys! In case you haven't noticed, the apprentice blanks are now approved! I want to cover something that many of you have overlooked:

We are only doing apprentice images for those on the characters needing art page! All other reservations made at the moment will be removed and/or declined on sight as we are not redoing the apprentices until after the Last Hope. So please, do not reserve your favorite character unless they are on the needing art page, please and thank you <3 And until Wildheart has submitted the apprentice shading, anybody unsure of the placement can ask me and I'll email them a copy because I made it for a friend. I don't mind sharing.

Thanks, and have fun using the new blanks! 02:24, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

And another thing, I made up a list of some of the older users who've been around before we decided to remake the blanks. I might've missed some, so don't be offended. The list is here. On the list, under each user's name, I have listed all the apprentice chararts that they were the OA of or redid and the old OA isn't around anymore. Before any of you decided to make your favorite charart's apprentice charart in advance, look here first to see if it's already been taken. If you're not on the list or I've missed some of your apprentice chararts that you made, go a head and add yourself in. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:27, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, can I rejoin? Please. Please. Pretty please? Thanks. ;P 02:32, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can I list Ravenpaw's apprentice? I tweaked it but I had to redo most of it and Bramble nor Sandwich is around anymore. 02:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that we ever decided about tweaked chararts, but I guess. But we're not starting that whole process until after the Final Hope. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:35, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but here's a question: why can't we do the old apprentices yet? It's four months until The Last Hope comes out. That's a lot of down time. I think we should at least move the date up. Not like there's much to do right now but alts. 02:41, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

^ I'm in agreement with this. There's no point in not. The ones needing them will likely all be on the approval page by next week and it'll speed up the process. You could always put them on hold for a couple weeks before and after The Last Hope if you're concerned about space. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:08, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just think though (and this is why) after the last hope, how many characters do you think there'll be available? It'll probably be a loooOOOoooOOOoong time before there's a new book out, so that's the project to take up that time. Make sense? 03:15, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention summer'll be so close at hand and there'll be more people around to make things go faster - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I understand, but that's not our mission statement, is it? Our job is to make the chararts, not to dither over it so we can make the project last longer. 03:23, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

You know... Shelly's right. I personally don't think it's right that we wait, because if we do, the project's going to fall into that pre-book slump it usually does. We probably won't have to wait very long for Dawn of the Clans to come out, and there's Yellowfang's Secret that should come out next summer, providing a little more work. Maybe it would be good that we allow the images to be done now, instead of waiting. If we allow it now, there'll be more time later on to fix up images that need tweaking (there's well over 700 characters, so there's got to be mistakes and such) and redoing. Also, it would give some users here a break, and maybe they'll start contributing to the rest of the wiki, instead of just PCA. 03:51, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I mean, what's the point of not doing them? TFW came out two weeks ago, and we're out of chararts. Who knows, maybe we'll finally finish every single charart, a concept so mind-blowing to me I can't even imagine it. 04:08, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously, we need to start the old apprentices, if not now, then soon. There's no valid reason not to. It is this projects mission to do this, and to put it off goes against that. 17:33, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Why put it off? Just so we can have more space open when The Last Hope comes out? If it's really that big of a deal, just expand the amount the approval page can hold, if only temporarily. It's not right to put it off this long for no real good reason. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:37, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, too. If we wait until The Last Hope comes out, (and possibly Yellowfang's Secret) this will just cause more clutter to the approval page. (if we don't go with Paleclaw's idea) 20:22, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah people are already putting up chararts for other apprentices we should just start all of them 22:03, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

YES, more mork! I'll actually get to do my first charart! Well I'll see what I can do. I'll be doing apprentices for a long time. Um, I totally agree that we shouldn't wait. I would state my full opinion, but it's pretty much what others just said. 23:39, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be we can do two chararts until the apps are done. We're trying to get them done as soon as possible thats as good a plan as any, along with starting now. We should do it. And dont BS me about how its not giving everyone a fair chance to do one, thats not the point of the project, you get one or you dont, thats that, if you dont get one, youre SOL. It would speed it up a heck of a lot. 00:08, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! Does that make it official? :3 00:26, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes go crazy. 00:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm officially confused. Does this mean we can have 2 chararts for approval (including old apprentices?) or that the people who have already done app. chararts get 2 of their original images? 01:13 Fri Dec 9

Okay lets clear it up. Anyone can have two chararts up for approval now as long as one is an apprentice (theres really not much other choice), and warriors and leads can have 3 chararts up for approval, as long as one is an apprantice and one is a tweak/redo. I made i bold so hopefully some people will read it. 01:21, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Iceheart, that really helps. 01:33 Fri Dec 9

OH good. So can we have two apprentice chararts up at once? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:30, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can we expand the approval page till the apprentices are finished? The reserving two at once thing will be no good if people can only ever actually put up one at a time. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:46, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, Paleh. 40? 03:46 Fri Dec 9

I was thinking 50. 03:47, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think 50's good. When will we put this into effect? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  15:12, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Since Iceheart agrees, I'll do it now. 15:15, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ginger Cats in the Comics
I'm writing this as I've had a few different people asking me if they can make alts for ginger cats shown without stripes in the comics. However, as most ginger cats are not described as tabbies in the books, I do not believe being shown in the comics without stripes would warrent an alt.

The same goes for all tabbies, actually. Frankly, I don't think Dan Jolley likes drawing complicated tabbies in comics, and I can't say I blame him. When you do that, you have to repeat the pattern over and over again exactly, I imagine he had a hard enough time with a pattern like Millie's. So the guy only adds stripes to the head to indicate that the cat is a tabby, like with Brackenfur and Firestar in A Clan in Need. I don't think that a cat shown with only a stripe on the head (sich as Silverstream in the comic at the end of Crookedstar's Promise) should get/have gotten alts as the stripe still indicates that they are tabby.

Feel free to post a rebuttal agreeing or disagreeing with me. This is just how I feel when I think on it logically. 14:33, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that ginger cats that aren't described as tabbies in the book, and are shown as solid shouldn't get alt, but I really do think ginger cats that ARE described as tabbies in the book, but shown as solids in the manga, should get alts. It'd be no different than say, Leafpool, being shown as a solid. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:35, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well yeah. If Firestar, one of the few ginger tabbies actually called a tabby in the books, was shown as a solid he'd get an alt. But he hasn't been. But a cat like Billystorm, only ever described as ginger and white, would not get an alt for being without stripes in SkyClan's comics. 17:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. So in this case, Sharpclaw and Jaggedtooth should get alts. And when was Firestar described as a tabby? XD Did I just completely miss this? :P *goes to check his pahe* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  17:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I swear he was described as a tabby... hmm. Meh, I still don't think Firestar would get an alt for the tabby stripe on his head, as his charart is already tabby. Sharpclaw and Jaggedtooth, maybe. I don't have the graphic novel on me. If they have absolutely no stripes on them whatsoever, yes I suppose they would. 17:39, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, no ginger cats shown as tabbies should get alts. And nope, nowhere on his page. XD You must be thinking of another cat. :P And Sharpclaw is shown as completely solid, and Jaggedtooth with a lighter muzzle. No stripes at all. You can look in the Browse Insides for proof. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:42, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if this'd count, but I think it should count for something. Firestar has been shown on the covers numerous times, as well as Cats of the Clans, and each and every single flipping time he is shown as a tabby. That can't be a consistant mistake. I'd like to think the Erins intended Fire to be a tabby. I don't really think that they should get a solid alt, but at the same time, there've been many cats in the series that doesn't follow genetics (hey, fun fact- did you know that it is incredibly rare for a non-purebred cat to have blue eyes? Nonpurebred cats usually have an eye color that is greenish-yellowish) 18:19, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think ginger cats should have to have stripes the artist should be able to choose because I read somewhere that all cats have tabby stripes even if they are pale so that mean they all should have stripes but that would take forever and it wouldn't make sense to redo all of them. 22:09, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

We've already redone them all (or at least most of them) Wildfire. =_= We made that decision a while ago. Yes, all cat have the tabby M on their head. But all ginger cats have a full set of tabby stripes. We're trying to be genetically correct in our chararts. 22:33, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I know that, I was here when 'we' decided that. I'm just saying that we shouldn't have to change anymore or when the new series comes out, we shouldn't have to make the ginger cats tabby, unless you want to redo all the images. 00:03, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

This is a little more important than a "Vacation List" announcement...
Hi, guys. I'm coming to tell you that my internet connection is going to be very unstable for the next...wait. Who am I kidding? I don't know how long it'll be. >.>;;

For those who don't know, my home (the first floor and everything in it) was destroyed by the aftereffects of Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee. In all honesty, it was the latter that did us in. The former just made the rivers go up a tad... We're still not home, and won't be until after the new year.

Anyways, we're finally getting the FEMA trailer, and I don't know if I'll have internet connection, or anything of the sort. I'll still have my phone, but getting on the wiki on something like that is..kinda weird. I'll be on MSN, AIM, Yahoo and FB, so if you really want to reach me, ask me for the messengers, and I'll give you my contact information. Or, if you'd like my cell number, I'll give that to you as well, but if and only if you're in my circle of friends. You know who you are. =)

Anyways, I'm letting you know of this via talk page, because I don't want to come back and find myself back down in the Warrior rank because of something I couldn't prevent. I'd like my lead spot back if I happen to get kicked from PCA, because this is something I have no control over. I didn't choose this, nor did I want it. If anything, I want to go home.

'kay, sorry for the sob story. Anyways, if I'm not on come the weekend, y'all know why. Miss y'all and love you. 16:22, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Okay Cloudy, I feel sorry for you. This must be hard for you and I understand that you have no control over this, who would want to do that. And hopefully, you should still have your lead posistion when you return. Bye for now. 05:07, Fri, Dec, 9, 2011

We'll miss you Cloudy. ;.; And I will not let you have your lead position taken away. *clings* See ya soon? D; ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  15:16, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Mentor Templates?
Hey, I was wondering, would it be possible to make some PCA Mentor program templates? Like "This user was mentored in the PCA by Usernamehere" or "This user mentored Usernamehere in the PCA". Like the ones that you used to have for AaU. I just thought it'd be nice. Not really anything that important. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  21:04, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, thats a good idea! :D 21:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Love this idea! 22:09 Thu Dec 8

That;s a cool idea! 23:42, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've been wanting these :) 00:00, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Heres the coding  04:44, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Is that the same one we can use for all the userboxes? (this user is being mentored by, this user mentored, this user is mentoring. 22:19, Fri, Dec, 9, 2011

Ya just change the words from "Mentored by" to whatever like "Mentored". 23:28, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Mountainheart - Rejoin Request
I messed up on my last rejoin request lol. May I rejoin pretty please with sprinkles n stuff? Thank you so so soooo much. ;P 23:53, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Of course! I'll add you in. Review the Guidelines if you need to refresh your memory, and welcome back! 23:57, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Warrior Nominations No More
Okay so if you missed the discussion, the warrior nominations are now a think of the past. Now to become a warrior you need 3-4 images approved without help and poof youre a warrior. If you have more than three imageas approved and are still an apprentice please write youre username below this. If youre not, please dont say anything. 01:42, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks! 01:51, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Birdpaw
Birdpaw is my first charart I'm going to do, so I have a few questions. I know, ask my mentor, but I'm not sure if iceheart's here at the moment so I'm asking where it's more active also. 1. Would Birdpaw be longhaired or shorthaired, what do you think? her kittypet pixel was shorthaired, so I'm thinking it's shorthaired. 2. When I'm done, what exactly do i do with it? I know to put it on the approval page and all, put do i create a page or whatever?

Thanks! 02:59, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, she just replied, so she's here at the moment, but I didn't really understand her answer. 03:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to explain as best as I can, too lazy to read what she replied to you. Yes, it must be consistant and be shorthaired. When you are done, make sure to name it Birdpaw.apprentice.png and name it EXACTLY that, no capitalizing apprentice or anything or it won't work. Once you've done that, goto the page with all the new apprentices, click the button "Add topic" then in the edit summary box, put Birdpaw (A) - For Approval, then put your image on there (don't do a thumbnail), then ask for comments and leave your siganture. That's all there is to it! Others will comment on it and then you have to fix what they tell you. Hope I answered your question 03:07, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!! Um, do you happen to have the blanks for the new apprentices, and shading diagrams or a description of where the shading should go on them? Thanks again. 03:19, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wait above you said you had three images approved but you just said this was your first... 04:02, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Wildfire, I don't think she realized that she wasn't supposed to comment up there. She was probably just saying thanks, so she knows in the future. 12:23 Fri Dec 9

Okay but it says not to comment, so I wanted to make sure. 23:25, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

You know how new users are ;) 23:52 Fri Dec 9

Public discussion on PCA
I've recently opened up a blog discussing PCA to the public. I'd like it if members of PCA could come and give their two cents. It's here. Thank you. 21:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Deputies and Leaders
Okay, feel free to disagree with me however you want. It seems that almost every deputy was once a warrior, and every leader was once a deputy and a warrior. Should the leaders get warrior and deputy chararts and deputies get warrior chararts, unless said so (Thunder,Wind, Sky, Leafstar, etc). It makes sence, as most leaders and deputies were once a warrior/deputy. Opinions? 23:25, Fri, Dec, 9, 2011

No. They weren't seen and/or mentioned as said rank, so they won't get them. It would just be more unneeded images. 23:27, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but would Darkstar get a warrior charart, because in Code of the Clans he was mentioned that you could see the warrior he had once been. <span style="">23:51, Fri, Dec, 9, 2011

I don't know if that actually counts... It's been a while since I've read Code of the Clans.. x.x;; Guys, what do you think? 23:54, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes that would get one. Good find. 23:55, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Flowerstar. That is all. 23:56, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Contest Part Two Voting Now Open!
Go here to cast your vote! Please read the voting rules first, though. :3 00:02, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Excuse the interruption
Excuse me but I'm not on the current projects list and would like to do Owlwhisker's charart. But if eveyone is to busy then I will wait. =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 02:32, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'm allowed to put you on that. 04:22, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Wildfire! I appreciate that. =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 04:26, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Done :) And your welcome. 04:27, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Access to Blanks
Just in case there are users who don't know where they are, and since Iceheart cannot upload them over the normal apprentice images yet, I went through and gathered the links for the images.
 * Long fur female MCA
 * Long fur male MCA
 * Short fur female MCA
 * Short fur female MCA
 * Long female
 * Long male
 * Short female
 * Short male

That way no one has to dig through the archives. xD 02:57, December 10, 2011 (UTC)