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Queen Blanks ~ For Approval
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

Flailfoot (E) ~ For Approval
Love black cats<333 Also, epic name is epic. And kitty hazel eyes<333 <span style="">02:31, 07/2/2013

Hm...perhaps lighten the base just a tad. 08:59, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. I think it looks fine, as-is, and since he /is/ black, a base this dark is pretty good.

Define the shading; I can barely see it. 23:51, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reups <span style="">01:29, 07/3/2013

Comments before approval?

I'm sorry but I cannot see the lineart at all on the whole back end of him and on the bottom of his tail, could you just lighten him a small bit? 20:17, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but if that were the case, there'd have to be a tweak on Smudge's kittypet, because the lineart isn't that visible on him either. :/ <span style="">20:34, 07/3/2013

I can't even see the shading on this one, Ferk. It needs to be lightened a bit. 20:35, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

reuploaded <span style="">20:54, 07/3/2013

Let's try this again ouo And no saying it's too dark, since this is the color from Nightstar's elder. I gave it to her to use as a base

Sorry, but I'm a bit confuzzled as to where your light source is coming from because when looking at just the back, it's as if it's coming from above meanwhile when looking at the face, it looks like it's coming from the right. A quick fix would to be just add some shading at his rump encroaching on the left-behind side of the hindleg, and follow it through the spine connecting it with the neck shading (which is brilliant), but your choice. Awesome job, Fern! 03:13, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 20:42, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I'll reupload momentarily. <span style="">22:44, 07/9/2013

Reups <span style="">00:52, 07/10/2013

He looks dark gray right now and needs to be darkened a bit. The shading could also use some blurring.

Larksplash (A) ~ Withdrawn
Here Larkpaw/Maia (my Aunt Kathy's cat). I don't really like how she came out. I'll add depth to the eyes soon. Any other comments? 15:53, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Added depth to the eyes. 15:57, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

They're waste around the right on the tail, around her head, and near her paws? Remove it? This is pretty cute! Bb un   legs  16:04, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I can't believe I missed that. Thanks, Beebs. 16:12, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think the orange is a bit... too bright/neon. Very pretty, Blue! 18:09, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel on that note, but it's not really all that bad. Also, parts of the white are looking very gray.

Reuploaded. Thanks. I dulled the orange and lightened the shading. 18:53, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink looks a little too purple. This is incredible! 23:04, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuloaded. Thank you everyone! I don't think changes are showing. 23:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

This appears to be a calico style cat... are calicos and torties the same thing? o.o I always thought they were more like this....also, the colors still seem a little off, especially that orange? Are you color picking from an image of your aunt's cat or something?

Yeah, tortie-and-whites are usually a tortoiseshell with white only at the muzzle, belly, paws, tail-tip, etc. Calicos are white cats with the big tortie patches...or at least, that's what I've always gone by. 14:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Calicos and torties are pretty much the same thing, except calicos have white on them as well. In the UK and other parts of Europe, the word for calicos is tortoiseshell-and-white. Since 4/5 of the Erin Hunters live in the UK/Scottland, I thint the style of the pattern is fine, As for color-picking off of Maia, I would if I had a picture of her on my computer (though I think I have some on the other laptop, but my father took that to work with him, and he be back till 10pm RMT). 15:49, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, after talking with someone else, they also explained that calicos and torties are pretty much the same thing. Since it falls within the range, I'd say it's okay. Also, as a word of advice, perhaps make the orange a little more yellow colored? Perhaps like on Sorreltail's images? 'cause my guess is that's what your aunt's cat's coloring is like?

Reuploaded. Don't know if changes are showing. 16:13, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just gonna say this once- tortoiseshells and white cats aren't the same as calicos. Calicos, like what we have here, are white-based cats, with large patches of black and ginger scattered on the body. No real pattern to them.

Tortoiseshells-and-white cats, on the other hand, are black based, with more mottled ginger markings, and white usually in the typical places for lighter underparts- white muzzles, chests, bellies, paws, etc. Now, the white on tortoiseshell-and-white cats can vary with how much there is, but it'd never have it over the back. The most standard tortie-and-white cat just has paws, belly, chin, nose, chest, etc.

If what was stated above is confusing, there is also visual references. Calicos are white-based. Tortoiseshell-and-whites are black-based. So, as you can see, there is a difference. 17:13, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but I'm also thinking about where the authors came from. In the UK and surounding European countries, torti-and-whites and calicos are the exact same thing, and all of the authors but Tui come from that area. 17:22, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

But there's a genetic difference, no matter where you're from. Besides, I know several people from Europe, as well, and have never heard of a blur of terminology. 17:23, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, I think in this case... Leggo's proof kinda overrides anything else. So, unless you have something in a form of a reference, not counting where the authors live, I do believe she might be right. o.o I honestly didn't know that when I said what I did above, and after doing some research, I've found the same thing that Leggo said..

Reuploaded. Totally redid the pattern. 17:55, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foot that's entirely white. It'd be the one on the furthest right side (our right), as in the one that's the farthest from the body. Also, the shading on the white appears to be somewhat flat as well.

Reuploaded. 18:11, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, could you have it match the one I made below? I reserved her before you in hopes I could design her... 18:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I wish I could; I really do. I love your image, but I don't know how to do texture. 18:37, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps you two could come to a medium on the matter? Maybe use the colors and basic pattern, but you could both talk about what to do? Since Leggo did reserve her first, I believe she's entitled to something, but that's just the old PCA in me talking. xD

Texture's actually really simple. If you have some time, pop into the chat and I can show you over a join.me. :3 (and send you the .xcf) 18:41, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'll try, but I'm uncomfortable in chats, especially on a wiki as big as this. 18:44, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just email me when you have time for a join.me session, then. :3 21:28, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawing. I've been having troubles with this image, and I'll be going to Indiana soon, leaving me no time. 16:03, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Understandable! Anybody with a free project may take this over, but I'll be archiving this soon if not  17:31, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Mudthorn (W) ~ For Approval


Here he is~ I dunno, is his shading too dark or is it fine? Anyway, comments? <big style="font-style:inherit;"> Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 18:01, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the highlights (or the shading if those aren't highlights). Sha dew  ing!  18:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Blur the earpink a bit? <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  23:40, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The ear in the black looks dark brown, not black. Also, I think that the earpink is fine~ x3 00:29, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops forgot the second ear. Reuploaded  Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 01:44, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

The highlights sort of throw the picture off. Maybe darken them? 03:07, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

There are no highlights, amico, only shading. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 16:37, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Lighten the shading and blur it more. Also, can you define/add shading on the neck please? 17:05, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness is artist's choice, Hawk. However, it does need to be blurred.

I left the shading because I liked it how it was, however it has been blurred. Changes may or may not be showing 'Reuploaded. ' Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:14, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading? He's really neat, dear. ouo I love your work.

Possibly make the ears darker? They just look dark brown and not black. Get a second opinion though, it might be my computer o3o. 18:00, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

His paws look darker than his pelt and his ears could use a bit of darkening. 20:15, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Lightened his shading on his paws, made his ears the darkest shade of grey you're gonna get, and defined his tail shading. 'Reuploaded. ' Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is a bit dark in some places than it is in others, can you maybe even it out a bit? 04:34, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Um, yeah, once Dad finishes messing with the computer and I don't have to use the IPad, get right on it. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 01:07, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, done and done. 'Reuploaded. ' Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:22, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

The light source doesn't seem consistent. Either pick one light source and stick to it, or define where it's coming from if you do have a light source you've chosen.

Flamepelt (E) ~ For Approval
Haven't done a charart in ages. That earpink is awful, I know. Comments? Sha dew  ing!  18:18, July 2, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

He's ginger, so he needs stripes. ouo This is really nice, though.

Oh. Oops. I'll get on that. Might take a little while. Sha dew  ing!  18:46, July 2, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the shading a bit too while you're at it? 23:39, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''Changes aren't showing. Sha dew  ing!  11:42, July 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the overall shading. He looks wonderful, dear<3

'''Re-Uploaded. '''Changes not showing. Sha dew  ing!  20:10, July 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Can you define the stripes? Also, they look a bit paint-brushy, so possibly sharpen them then give the ends a smudge. x3 20:13, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'll get on it. Sha dew  ing!  20:18, July 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

'''Re-Uploaded. ''' Changes not showing. Sha dew  ing!  14:36, July 5, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Now they are, I think. Sha dew  ing!  18:07, July 5, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

There's a pixel of waste some way in front of his front paws. Lovely! 11:09, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Give the shading a bit more depth, this is great! 18:53, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I don't think changes are showing. Sha dew  ing!  02:08, July 8, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Marshcloud (W) ~ For Approval
Any suggestions for improvement? Splashmist3271 (talk) 20:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, all RiverClan cats are longhairs, unless they are stated to be shorthaired ^^;. Nice work of the stripes! Bb un   legs  20:59, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define the shading a lot. 21:00, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, will do! It might be a bit though. Splashmist3271 (talk) 21:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the earpink looks rather solid. Can you blur it just a smidge? 21:40, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes go onto the lineart. Remove, please (I love your tabby style)? 21:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it- is this better? Splashmist3271 (talk) 22:34, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be defined a ton. And the tail looks rather odd-shaped. 22:36, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it again. The tail is supposed to look kind of odd because he is described as having a short tail. Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:16, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste along his spine. Thin the tail, and blur the shading a lot. 23:25, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'll fix the waste, but I'm not sure how to blur the shading without blurring the tabby marks... Anyways, I have to go now, so the edited version probably won't be up until tomorrow. Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

What program do you use, Splashmist? 23:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I use Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 --Splashmist3271 (talk) 12:50, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I fixed the tail & shading (I tried some lighting too), and I added goldenish stripes just cuz. Splashmist3271 (talk) 14:45, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste by his front legs and chest. I really like this! 17:12, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by his far ear, in between his legs, and tail (I didn't see that at first). And I think the lineart at the tail-tip is blurred. 17:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh okay, that's at least an easy fix! Glad you like it :)  Splashmist3271 (talk) 17:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I deleted the waste. Splashmist3271 (talk) 17:45, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit. 17:51, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 20:11, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Round out the lineart on the tail or something, it looks a tad square. I really like the stripes. 23:22, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so should I blur the stripes or not? Silvereye1 and Trollsky are contradicting each other... Splashmist3271 (talk) 01:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

They're not. xD You can blur the stripes if you wish.

Okay, I darkened the shading, but I didn't blur the stripes because it looked a tad bit strange with the dark shading. Anything else I should do? 12:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)Splashmist3271 (talk)

The stripes appear to be lost in the shading. Have you tried setting your shading layer to multiply and seeing what that does? If you need help, go ahead and ask one of us, and perhaps we could set up a join.me session? I use PS, so I'm familiar with the tools you're working with.

Could you (or someone else) help? I'm lost... this is my first charart. Splashmist3271 (talk) 16:32, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Usually for a charart to make it easier to edit, we usually separate base color, shading, lineart, and other markings on separate layers. Without them, it makes charart editing more complicated. If you already use layers, awesome. Just go to your shading layer, and above it, there is a drop down box. Click on that, and change the setting from "normal", or whatever you may have it on, to "multiply". It darkens it and shows markings below it. You can adjust the opacity from there to make your shading how dark or light you want it to be. Hope that helps! I absolutely love those stripes! <span style="">04:29 Fri Jul 5

Thanks so much for the help! Is this better, or is the shading too dark? --Splashmist3271 (talk) 13:46, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the stripes juuussst a tad? 18:35, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think the stripes are fine, along with the shading. ^^ But could you try fixing that tiny 'dip' in his tail lineart and make it a bit more smooth? 05:12, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Might I suggest this lineart for the tail, Splash? If not, that's fine :) 20:32, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Plumclaw (W) - For Approval
Yes, I am very well aware there is waste or other stuff that should be fixed. This is one of my better chararts actually (i'm really bad D:) I need all the help I can get, so, comments? My signature is being derpy, I'm fixing it right now. ~Jadeblaze~ (talk) 00:40, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

By the way, I wasn't sure what pelt length she had or what her eye color was, so I made her SH and with green eyes. ~Jadeblaze~ (talk) 00:41, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry about the eye color and such. She looks a bit pixelated in places and there are white dots all over her. Also, define the shading and the earpink just a tad. 03:05, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by pixelated or what I'm supposed to do, and how to I "define" stuff? (I'm sorry, I haven't been doing this very long. xD) Oh, and Reuploaded, I got the white spots (I think?) 13:10, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Defining often means making it more visible and when something is pixelated, it usually means blurring that area. In this case, it would probably help if you define your shading as well as blur it. So make the light areas contrast the darker areas more and make sure there's a good gradient going from that light to the dark. 23:31, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

You could also sharpen it, if blurring didn't help. That usually makes it more define, too. Darkfrost14 (talk) 00:54, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

With sharpening, however, you risk the chance of making it even more pixelated. What I've done is make another layer of shading, with it unblurred a bit on a lower opacity.

There are still a few white spots on her tail, chin/neck, forepaws, joint at back of hind leg, back, and chest. 14:45, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any white spots anymore... I think she reuploaded and forgot to say something. o3o

'''Whoops! Reuploaded. ''' 18:52, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the earpink? ^^  04:31, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you all know that I'm in Wisconsin visiting family right now, so I won't reupload until Wednesday, when I get back. Stay Gold! 10:54, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Palebird (W) ~ For Approval
Danielle gave me the colours, since she plans to do the StarClan version. Thank you again, Dani 8D So, yeah. x3 Comments? --14:02, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Does the rump area have no shading? It looks that way to me...even with this light source, that area would still have shading, I believe.

Add some shading to the bottom of her feet, too. 14:15, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added foot shading. Cloudy, I do not think the rump needs shading, since the light source is coming from the top right. -- 14:51, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added rump shading. Changes are not showing, I believe. -- 15:09, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Add some shading to the bottom of her front feet, too. 15:10, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added front paws shading. Sorry. I forgot about that. xP -- 15:15, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Very nice. Blur the edge of the black patches and the earpink a little? Unless you think it's fine. Sha dew  ing!  19:56, July 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

I personally think both are fine. -- 20:05, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with both of what Shadewing said, but only a tad on the patches. 20:09, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Smudged patches and ear pink. -- 21:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

The texture connecting the patches to the white looks odd and unnatural as in some places it's not going with the texture on the white. I'd recommend just continuing the texture through the patches, but however you would like to work it. Also, the tail looks quite flat. Nice job. 23:09, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Smudged patches to go with texture. Changes might not be showing. x.x -- 23:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly blur the shading a bit? 20:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine. -- 20:18, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the earpink a bit, and also, I agree with the shading. <span style="">07:39 Sat Jul 6

Re-uploaded. Blurred shading and earpink. Changes, again, might not be showing. -- 19:51, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur/smudge the transition of the black into the ear? <span style="">20:01 Tue Jul 9

The black is so dark that it looks like it has absolutely no shading on those spots. Either add highlights to the black or lighten it so shading will show.

Hareflight (TR) (W) - For Approval
Comments? -Feather 16:38, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nice work! However, I believe all WC cats are to be short hairs c: Bb  un   legs  16:39, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Huh? There are tons of long-haired WC cats. I'm confused. -Feather 17:12, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

oh wait nevermind I keep thinking WC is WinterClan, which automatically links to ThunderClan. Nevermind, I'll change it. x3 -Feather 17:13, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes aren't showing for me. -Feather 17:57, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken/define the shading a bit? And maybe blur it a little more on the shoulder/neck area. He looks great! <span style="">20:56 Wed Jul 3

Do you think you could change the tinting of the shading, right now he looks a little off because of it  01:52, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a little. Darkfrost14 (talk) 11:58, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I redid the shading with a reddish-brown tint, and I blurred the earpink. -Feather 15:42, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do you know where the light source is coming from? The haunch makes it look like it's coming from the upper left, but the rest of the body makes it look like it's coming from the upper right c: Bb  un   legs  17:28, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

The light source is hitting his back, and nowhere else. But I don't think shading the entire haunch would look good at all... -Feather 07:58, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

At least add some shading to the haunch, then. 13:42, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded -Feather 16:48, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nightsky (W) - For Approval
hello this isn't swaggy 20:00, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit, define the tail shading, and smudge/blur the ginger a bit? Nice work, Icy c: Bb  un   legs  20:04, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: ty <3 20:07, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful. Maybe blur the stripes a teeny bit? And blur the neck shading a little? Sha dew  ing!  20:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

The whites looking a bit grey. 23:38, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded:  00:43, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the patches match the direction that the fur is going so they blend more? 02:51, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: 15:09, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

The white looks a bit gray, mostly where the shading is. Can you lighten or blur it a bit? 04:29, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: 19:56, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Comments before approval?

The white still looks gray and the shading could use some defining, it's a bit flat.

Also, the smudging and texture don't really follow the curve of the body, it's just all going in the same directions save for the tail. Try and make it go with the body and also with the fur direction more.

Hickorynose (W) - For Approval
Here's who I've been waiting on ever since I've first caught wind of him! I'm going to change the tinting of the shading because it makes him look really dark ginger, I'll fix that momentarily. I wanted to do something different with the shading so yah. Bring it! 02:10, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the edges of the ear pink just a smidge? He's so lovely, and I like the color choice<3

Reuploaded Thanks ^^ 15:41, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

He looks really red. 16:49, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded alright 19:33, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

You don't have to, but can you blur or smudge the shading that's between the shoulder 'hightlight' and his back one to make it blend more? 04:28, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Certainly 05:22, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm unsure where the light's coming from. From the look of the front of the chest, face, and back leg, it looks like it's coming from the upper left corner back there's a highlight on his back that makes it look like it's coming from the upper right. Also define the tail shading a tad. Nice work! c: <span style="">07:42 Sat Jul 6

Reuploaded It's how I always do my shading but fine  16:41, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the unshaded parts just a tad? After that I think it will be ready to CBA it c:  05:03, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  06:23, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlights/unshaded areas, namely on the haunch and shoulder.

Aspenfall (W) - For Approval
Yay! Camp internet finally works! Anyway, here's Aspenfall 21:31, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the front legs just a tad? c: 21:42, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading everywhere, I can't really see it. I like the pattern. 23:22, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

The white is really gray perhaps add highlights or something? ouo

Re-uploaded yay for time off and internet! 01:21, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded areas on the haunch and face? <span style="">12:24 Tue Jul 9 2013

Re-uploaded 17:13, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs, it looks a bit flat there.

Russetfur (Alt. KP) - CBA
Tried to texture, as well as a different way of shading. ^^ 21:42, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the face shading? 22:49, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Very minor here, but there's an unfilled pixel in the third fur tuft before her tail-tip. Absolutly beautiful! 18:32, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded 21:42, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? <span style="">12:23 Tue Jul 9 2013

Bess (Ro) ~ For Approval
I'm actually happy with this <span style="">07:57 Fri Jul 5

The texture is a little heavy and makes her look mottled, could you blur it a little and maybe either lighten it or darken the pelt (I don't know which part is the lighter part) Great job! 15:41, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks! ^^ <span style="">03:01 Sat Jul 6

Part of her pelt I can hardly see because of the shading (I believe) can you lighten it a bit? 04:25, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Err...what? o.o <span style="">04:28 Sat Jul 6

Parts of her stomach are just shading, try to lighten it so you can see more unshaded parts. <span style="">4:53 Sat Jul 6 2013

Re-uploaded bleh I just redid the shading. <span style="">18:37 Sat Jul 6

Much better, Berry! Is the front of the white paws really gray, or is that the black smudged into it? 18:38, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's the shading and I'd rather not touch it because the shading will start to become blotchy and faint. <span style="">18:45 Sat Jul 6

CBA? 22:12, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the paws looks practically pure black, which on a black cat, makes it look like the front part of the feet have no white on them. Lighten the shading a bit.

Shrewclaw (Star) ~ For Approval
Here's Shrewclaw's star image for you ^^. Comments? 21:47, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and maybe the haunch area. 04:39, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the snon shaded parts on the head, tail, and paws? c: 05:00, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 23:44, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the depth in the eyes a little? Looking great! 20:21, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 23:20, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sandgorse (W) ~ For Approval
Hello ouo I figured I wouldn't put anyone through the misery of trying to match one of my images lol. All colors are the same as the StarClan image.

Lovely, Skye! ^.^  Maybe blur the earpink just a smidge? Sha dew  ing!  12:26, July 7, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

It is, actually. I think it's just how it's smudged.

Define the shading in general. <span style="">12:22 Tue Jul 9 2013

Re-uploaded. Wow that looked a lot better in PS. o.O

Cloudrunner (W) - For Approval
Solids are a bit challenging, surprisingly, and I'm not too overly proud of it, but it'll get better. Suggestions for improvement for Cloudrunner? <span style="">03:41 Mon Jul 8

What do you mean? This is gorgeous! You should be proud of it, Knight! I think there's a spot of darker pink in his earpink; match it to the rest of the earpink? 22:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

The shading seems a touch dark, could you lighten it a smidge? 16:11, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Mole (Cat) (R) - For Approval
I decided to make him a long-hair but I can change it if need be. Comments? <span style="">04:29 Tue Jul 9

Rabbitkit (WC) (Ki) ~ For Approval
Here we go~ Apologies in advance if I can't update in a timely fashion, I will be going on vacation for a few days, but I will have my laptop and tablet and I should be able to get on the internet occasionally. <span style="">04:57, 07/9/2013

I think there's a random spot of shading under the right eye. (Our right) 22:13, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sparrow (Cat) (Ro) ~ Withdrawn
uh so yah this was like a 5 minute job its horrible i know 08:18, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sparrow isn't described as a tabby though, just dark tawny-brown. <span style="">12:21 Tue Jul 9 2013

Bah sorry I shouldn't do thes things when I'm half asleep I'll reupload him in a sec 00:56, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. i cant believe i didnt realise 01:29, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

eh im gonna withdraw this 02:53, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Heatherstar (D) ~ For Approval
Every single colour matches the leader. I got the hex code for the shading from Beebs; thanks Beebs! My first deputy, and I'm quite proud of her. Comment away~ 14:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a bit. Nicely done~

Reuploaded thanks x3 14:49, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lilywhisker (W) ~ For Approval
Every single colour is from the elder. Layer mode multiply works wonders. xD Comments? 15:19, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Wanted to redo shading. This picture was having technical difficulties and it wouldn't re-upload because 'this site was having techincal difficulties.' 15:33, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken and blur the shading a bit.

Algernon (Ro) ~ For Approval
Okay, I'm putting this up for Rowan, because she can't edit this page, for some reason. Changes may not be showing. <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  23:02, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the entire body, especially the legs. Also, I'm not sure the texture really looks like texture, but just smudged lines, and just appears to not really flow well, and in some parts, looks a bit like smudged shading, even.

Doespring (A) ~ For Approval
ouo <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond  <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  23:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading or unshaded parts? It looks a bit flat 00:26, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond  <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  12:02, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the tail and get rid of the light spot on the far back legs, as your light source appears to be coming from the front.

Pigeonpaw (A) ~ For Approval
Comments? c:  23:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

The shade of gray doesn't match the kit image, and the smudging is both too extreme and needs to follow the flow of the fur and the body.

Doespring (Ki) ~For Approval
I think she looks O.K xD But eh I'm not sure. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 00:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define her shading? She looks a bit flat. 03:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 03:30, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps sharpen it just a little more? 03:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 03:53, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Liittle more, still looks overblurred and a bit flat as a result.

Re-ups. GIMPs being a pain. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 14:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thin out the shading; I can hardly see that she's pale brown... 15:52, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

The backround won't go away... 1 second.. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 16:15, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

This needs to be a .png file, not a .jpg. Please fix that.

Tallstar (Lo) For Approval
meow 03:44, July 10, 2013 (UTC)