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Alder (Kit) ~ For Approval
Isn't she the cutest little thing? I know I'm not actually part of the project, so if there's anything wrong with how I reserved her (I put my name in the table and followed its format) please notify me and I will withdraw her. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:11, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brighten the white a bit? Very nice! 3:09 Wed Nov 6 2013

Smooth out the shading, it looks a bit blotchy 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded That's as bright as the white can get, and Scarletwind, are you talking about the shading on her left front paw? There's a patch of gray there that makes it look blotchy, I can remove it if you want, though. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

There is a square-patch of somesort that needs to be blurred/smudged. Here: Yes, I circled it due to the fact that I can't explain for crap. Not because I'm getting up in your face. ;) It looks amazing, Ember. Keep it up! 03:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

That area looks fine to me, Dark???? This is actually really cute omg. Maybe define the shading in general?

No, I see what dark is getting at. You can't see it in the zoom version but its like a squareish shape cut out? I'm horrible at explaining but yeah can you smudge there? 10:03 Thu Nov 7

I still can't see what you're looking at. Maybe it's because of the eyelashes? It seems to disguise the area around it, and I still say it's fine.

Here, I zoomed out, and screwed the eyelash for a better view: Can you see the square now, Snowy? o.o 12:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here if changes aren't showing. That was part of her white, but it did look weird so I extended the gray. I think the shading is fine, but if more people think I should define it then I will. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:32, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Blue the shading on the legs, and define the neck shading - if you're using this light source. 14:22, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here if changes aren't showing Emberpoppy7 (talk) 15:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on our left side of the image. It's darker than the rest of her body. -- 17:45, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Darkness doesn't need to be the same throughout the entire image. ^^

Can you blur the ear pink more into her pelt? -- 01:48, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here for changes if Wikia is being a butt.

Ember, it'd probably be best if you didn't use Photobucket. It's not really a private hosting site like iaza or something. To my knowledge at least, you'd be publicly uploading it on there, which isn't allowed with wwiki blanks. Best to use some other hosting site that's private such as iaza.

All right. I didn't know it was against the rules. See here for changes. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 01:48, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the dark patches of shading on her legs and <<< chest. 23:27, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Those aren't dark patches of shading, it's because of the grey that it looks dark. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:30, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Either way, lighten them a touch and you're losing your earpink in this <-- ear 23:05, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reups Emberpoppy7 (talk) 02:15, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

No comments for a while; CBA? 02:06, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but please define the shading from the patches, and vice versa, on <<<< side still. I can barely tell what are patches, and what is shading. 16:19, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here if changes aren't showing. I darkened the patches, does that help? Emberpoppy7 (talk) 21:40, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Could you also perhaps whiten the white? It's starting to look a bit gray. 21:41, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'll see what I can doEmberpoppy7 (talk) 21:46, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reups Here How's that?

Define the shading on the haunch and the tail. 23:29, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blarf Emberpoppy7 (talk) 00:27, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Try defining the difference between what's shading and what's patches some more, on <<< side? 20:16, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine as it is. The patches wouldn't be super defined if the light tints the shading that colour. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 22:18, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Leaf (Ro) ~ For Approval
Meh, I fail. Anyways, I put "For Evaluation" because this is my first charart! But as I've seen in other discussions, it can be removed when the user knows what he/she knows what they're doing. So, comments? -- 23:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken the highlights a smidge? The seem shiny. Nice job! 1:56 Wed Nov 6

He needs to be black and white, if I'm not mistaken. 01:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink and give him a gray nose 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I ended up having to redo the whole image...if there is a way to make a gray and white cat black and white without redoing the image, please tell me. This took up so much of my time. *.* -- 20:28, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white is very gray. Also, define the unshaded parts more. Also, can you make the pattern a bit more realistic, like this maybe? I like those eyes. ;) 23:00 Wed Nov 6

Re-uploaded 'Kay, for some reason, the wiki won't let me upload this image, so I brought a link with me. Thanks Hawk for the picture, it helped. Changes are.

To be perfectly honest, the pattern was more realistic before... I think that pattern was just fine.

I think this one is more realistic, just overblurred. Maybe try smudging it instead of blurring it so much? 0:35 Thu Nov 7

Hmmm..Maybe try to aim for it to look like this? I did a quick version of what I'd do..maybe you can get some tips and pointers from this. ;) 04:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dark, I do apologize, but that's not very natural either, and I'm going to agree with Paleh, that the pattern before was more realistic. Perhaps try to go back to that one if possible? I liked it. *.*

That's fine, Cloudy. It was only a 30 second job..xD 21:49, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of liked the pattern before. I switched back. ouo -- 22:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay, I kind of blurred the ear pink because I thought it looked...odd. -- 22:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink is leaking out of the ear. Also, can you sharpen the black patches, as they seem overblurred? 1:00 Fri Nov 8

Re-uploaded I switched back to the originals, so there aren't any black patches anymore. Blurred ear pink, though. -- 01:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It looks over-smudged. Sharpen the black patches, they're losing their shape definition 05:43, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

'Kay, I'm sorry to say this, but I'm going on a trip to China to see my relatives for two weeks, which means I don't get to finish this image in time. I just found out about the Internet connection there and let me say...it's not to hot. So, can someone please take over. I was so mad, but I guess fairest is fairest...-- 21:51, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 01:36, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded. Bahh, I guess it's okay. ._. I thought about texturing the white for some time while making, but then decided it wouldn't look good..soo, Comment away my friends! And may they be good. c: 02:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't align your images. Also the pattern isn't very realistic, maybe something like this, or even this would work. Also define the shading, earpink and nosepink, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing them. -- 02:54 Sat Nov 9

Also, maybe smudging instead of blurring would work. 3:35 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. This came out beautifully..I followed first suggestion-cat, Wildd. And sorry about the aligning image thing, didn't know. See changes |here if the wiki is acting up again. 13:26, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 20:21 Sat Nov 9

I don't really know how to put this in better words, but something about the black patches seems to be throwing me off. Maybe define them, or...I don't really know. Just saying. -- 17:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't exactly see the ear pink. Maybe darken it? -- 01:50, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

You can see the earpink just fine? o.o It's practically whacking people in the face, imo. And if I darken it, I'll have to lighten it. So, it's fine. As for the pattern, it's from an actual black-and-white cat, so I won't change it.. And, they are defined enough, and if I define them anymore, it'll make this image look slightly over-defined, and possibly pixelated. But yeah, Hawky, I'll define that shading. c: But, thanks for your comments, Brightpool, and please recognize that I'm not brushing them off, but, because what you have mentioned, are in perfect shape and form, I will not change unless someone else points it out/agrees to your comments. Hope that made sense! I re-upload tonight. 17:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually going to agree with Brightpool on this one. I think the black is a teeny bit too dark (and coming from me, that's saying something since I love black and white cats), and they seem a little too overblurred. The earpink could also be a little more pink-ish, imho, but not all that more. I think the pattern itself is good, however.

Re-uploaded. Thanks. I hope this fixed the problems.. 20:13, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please leave a image-hosting link of the image. I honestly have no clue what version I'm looking at 20:20 Mon Nov 11

The black patch on the tail is gray on the bottom. -- 21:26, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry~ And as for the gray, that's the tail shading. 22:05, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Then if that's the tail shading for the black patch, shouldn't it be darker, because gray is lighter than black...sorry if a sound like a pain in the butt, but I just noticed it right now. -- 23:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, you're not a pain! c; But, the reason I won't make it a darker gray, is because you may not be able to see the shading. And then, I'll have to revert it back to this current version. But, if someone else agrees with you, I'll change it. :) 00:06, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading quite a fair bit. Also, lighten the black a bit and darken the shading on the black only. Also, what's up with the tail, and why is there a lighter gray stripe on it? If that's shading, it should be darker, not lighter? I'm confused as to what's part of the pattern on the tail and what's shading and/or highlights.

Re-uploaded. I re-did parts of the image, so the black was less intense so you could see the shading. Zipped the stupid pale stripe on the tail, which originally was a stupid-attempt-at-shading-black. :P I tried to make the black not look over smudged/blurred. But hey, it never looks good to me. At least you can see the shading now, and I'd prefer not to touch it anymore. So yeah. 00:19, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

sorry for making you touch the shading ;c The shading on either sides of the belly/back (yes, that whole mid-section area) are very "streaky" (for lack of better word) and need generous expansion, blurring, and lightening (they are very dark/gray). Also, the patches are extremely blurry in some areas, and not blurred in others. If you want, hit me and email and I'll be more than happy to help you with tinting so you can not have to worry about the shading looking gray, but promice me you will use it.. .-. 03:06 Fri Nov 15

Lol, sure I promise. Hit me an email, because believe me, I could really use some tips and pointers. Black-'n'-white cats are beginning to be the death of me. xD Even though, they're one of my personal favorites. 03:42, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading some, as well? Besides what Kelps said, they could be more smoother and less blurred. 23:28, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't uploaded, my computer died. :O I'm getting a new one..Uploads will be either tonight or tomorrow. 20:53, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. c: 01:39, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white needs to be thickened and blurred 23:04, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Now, I'd prefer not to touch the shading anymore. I like the darkness of it right now, and don't really want to change it, as shading darkness is artists choice. Any more comments on the black-'n'-white kitteh? xD 02:52, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, the shading on both sides of the belly need tons of blurring and expanding. Also, why is it smudged? O.o Either smudge the rest to match of blur it out- it needs blurring anyways, so... 06:27 Sat Nov 23

Withdrawing, sadly..I just can't get him to look right. I'll work on River's kit or something. 21:26, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to go ahead and take over on this. 21:41, 11/24/2013

Re-uploaded From doing this I learned that shading black cats is not my strong point. 02:55, 11/26/2013

Darken and define the shading - it looks flat and hard to see. wow he is very pretty 19:17, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:54, 12/1/2013

Add some shading to the left of the hind legs to define their placement this is pretty <span style="">09:44 Sun Dec 1

Smooth out the tail shading - it looks a bit blotchy. 17:17, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Snowfur (Q) - For Approval
Thar she blows! I wanted to do a white cat because I haven't done one since.. Whiteberry. <span style="">16:04 Fri Nov 8

Define the shading. Pretty!

Define the eye depth a bit, too? 21:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Thanks! <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">11:31 Sun Nov 10

I think her eyes still need to be defined better. Maybe make her black pupils wider? Amazing job, Amber! -- 19:28, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the shading on the upper chest just a bit? It's a bit blotched. Great job! <span style="">00:41 Tue Nov 12

Reups! Hi. Thank yooou, <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">18:40 Tue Nov 12

recheck your lightsource use a sig sub page maooo >;c <span style="">03:08 Fri Nov 15

Could you specify what you mean? Just saying that is extremely vague and not really helpful at all, imho.

Lol you're right. The tail and belly read that the light coming from our right, and the hind leg off the ground as well as the face read coming from the left, and the other legs are too flat to read. I'll make a tutorial and put it up on a subpage of mine, I'm working on it. <span style="">18:33 Sat Nov 16

Could you smooth out the shading on the chest? It's starting to get a tad blotchy. 23:29, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I think the ear <--- this way needs a bit more gray.

Reups <span style="">16:07 Wed Nov 20

Where's your light source coming from? 00:40, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's great, Amber! Her pupils need to be more wider. <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:18, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Eye style is artist's choice Swan.

Still working? 02:05, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

The top left sorry I've been ill <span style="">17:32 Thu Nov 28

Can you smudge the gray on the ear tips maybe a bit, as it looks a bit hard-edged at this moment.

Still working? 20:22, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Clovertail (Q) ~ For Approval
Wow. Her pattern wasn't so bad, and I got her pretty dead on. I didn't really like her, since she was pretty much only with the Clan for protection, and didn't get off her butt to train. But yeah. xD Comment away! 14:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Where's the light source? The body, I can tell for the most part, but the face says otherwise. Also, define and blur your shading, and whiten the belly and chest white; they appear gray. Also, smudge the earpink, and define the eyedepth ouo 14:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

For shading placement to clear up source issues, I recommend this as a guide, not so far off of your current shading placement. Also, make the white go all the way up the front legs, as the hind legs are fine. Coming along well, Frosty! <span style="">16:10 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Hawky!! c: I have all the Clovertail files, so when I search Clovertail, I see my image and the rest of her collection. I think mine matches pretty well. But I fixed the shading, eye depth, and made the white more white, and lightened the shading in those areas so it doesn't look gray. See here: if wiki is acting up still. 19:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading and darken it on her body.

The white on her forelegs needs to be more higher up, to her belly, and the belly white needs to go up a bit more on her chest. 20:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't tell me you're looking at the wiki image, Beebs..look at the ezimba one, please. If you're not already. c;. But, I'm following how far the white goes up on the other images, and where it is currently, is where the other images' white stops. So I'd rather not change it. And Cloudy, if I darken the shading more, I'll just be told again that the white is gray, the shading over-defined, and the list goes on. Unless, there are certain parts of the shading you'd like to specify..then I'll see what I can do. 20:56, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I was. Well, could you define where the white meets the brown on the chest and shoulders? They seem a bit overblurred. 21:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur that little strip of shading on her shoulder to make it blend more? Also, could you maybe try to connect the back leg shading (the brown part, not the white) to the back shading? It looks awkward just by cutting it off right there. It's either that or you could blur it more. 21:19, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.  23:42, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still should be thickened and darkened on the brown. Why not try shading the white and brown with two different layers? Als, thicken the shoulder shading. I'm also not sure what color you're using to shade, but with how it is, it's starting to change the coloring (especially along the back), and it doesn't seem to match in certain spots. In the case of this shade of brown, try using a darker brown or something along those lines. Never use black- it looks green when you do that. Trust me, I've done it more than enough times. x.x

On that note for the shading tint, when I did the alt queen, I used a darker variation of the base pelt color, on around about 50-60% on multiply, try that. -- <span style="">08:55 Wed Nov 13

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Wildd. I did try that, and it worked wonders. 01:03, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and expand shading tons. Good going so far <span style="">03:10 Fri Nov 15

The white pattern looks a little too straight across to be natural, if you know what I mean. Make it curve with the imagined muscles and belly more 05:23, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't uploaded, my computer died. :O I'm getting a new one..Uploads will be either tonight or tomorrow. And thanks, Kel c: 20:54, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. c: 01:35, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

It... Still doesn't curve. <span style="">00:24 Sat Nov 23

It curves...If I change it anymore, it won't look like Clovertail anymore.. 21:23, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree. What we mean is it needs to follow the contours of the cat's body, making it seem 3D. For example, it should get higher up the left side of the belly and lower as it goes toward the left of the image, go high>>low on the shoulder closest to us, and kind of slope in a curve. I'm terrible at explanations, and I'm out of town right now so if someone is willing to explain my point and/or make a guide then so be it. And yes, it will match. If you fix it up right, it should have the same colors as well as blurring as it does currently. <span style="">05:20 Mon Nov 25

Re-uploaded. Hope this is what you were looking for, Kels... 03:19, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

The white's overblurred. How you had it blurred before was fine, but it was the direction it was going that needed to be tweaked a bit.

Re-uploaded. 03:30, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

May I ask for comments? 14:09, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Switch the light source on the hind leg away from us and the front leg closest to us. <span style="">16:56 Sat Nov 30

Define the eye depth? <span style="">23:14 Sat Nov 30

Re-uploaded. 00:07, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

You never switched those light sources? <span style="">09:25 Sun Dec 1

I did. :/ The light source is just fine. It all works and makes sense. I took away the light on the back leg, like you asked. And if I moved the front leg one, it wouldn't make sense. 01:15, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that was the back leg she was talking about. Try moving the other one.

If you're talking about the front leg closest to us, then the shading is on both side of it,, because that's the light source. But if you only want shading on the one side, I'll do that. 18:02, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

It needs to just be along the back half of her leg, because the hind leg closest to us and the foreleg farthest from us suggest that, along with most of the body. the hind leg farthest from us also needs to have shading along the back. (The back would be our left side) Also remove the strip of shading along our left half of the belly, right along the lineart, and sharpen the facial shading a bit. 03:43, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Her left foreleg and chest shading look a little blotchy. Maybe blur them? 04:15, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred the foreleg and chest shadings.. And on that "front leg closest" thingy..I figured it was the front leg farthest from us..Keep in mind my light source is coming from the side..so on all the legs, light is hitting them differently, especially with the way she is posed. Which is why the back leg closest to us has that direction, because under that leg, there would be no light at all. So yeah..resume comments. @.@ 14:55, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Softwing (Q) ~ CBA
I can't make the shasing darker or it'll be gray. I used another layer for the shading on the patches. Changes are here. Comments? <span style="">20:42 Sun Nov 17

I'd suggest putting more tabby patches on her side. I know this is a different side than the other images, but white patterns are usually roughly symmetrical, and with that in mind, she currently looks like a totally different cat from this side.

Re-uploaded. <span style="">22:04 Mon Nov 18

Define the shading, whether you darken it or sharpen it or do a combination of both- I can't tell where it is on the face, the legs, or where it's coming from anywhere save for her tail. If you choose to darken it, which is a good route, try sharpening the edges, as well. It only looks too gray once darkened if your shading is overblurred. 05:01, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Re-did the shading, and now it is tinted. I don't want to hear that is is too gray or that it needs blurring. <span style="">21:55 Wed Nov 20

Where's your light source coming from? 00:28, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

It should be coming from the left. <span style="">1:07 Thu Nov 21

Source is fine imho. Great work!❤❤ <span style="">03:06 Thu Nov 21

If it's coming from the left than the left side of her belly that we can see wouldn't be in shadow, and there would be a little heavier shading on the right half. (Hawk Swoop is sort of what I'm talking about, but you'd have more highlights on her face from the complete left side, and not a little bit more behind her, like I had it.) 03:24, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Better? <span style="">0:05 Fri Nov 22

Blur that little piece of shading at the top of her very back leg (the one closest to us). Looks purrrrfect~ (cat puns aw yis)  02:31, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think the tabby patch on her face could be extended just a smidgen over her forehead. Beautiful Hawk c: -- <span style="">20:19 Tue Nov 26

Re-uploaded. Thank youuuuuu :3 <span style="">21:51 Tue Nov 26

Comments before approval? This matches quite well, and you did a good job! 19:43, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you blur the shading more on the back and define the light on the face 02:47, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you, Beebs. <3 <span style="">15:18 Fri Nov 29

Maybe define the shading some more?

I think the shading is fine, but if anyone else agrees I'll define it some more. After all, this cat is a pain is the butt. Damn you white argh <span style="">17:22 Sat Nov 30

Just define it a touch more. 20:51, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uplaoded. Added a tint to the shading. I am seriously done with this image, but I will not give up. <span style="">21:40 Sun Dec 1

This is very nice, Hawk! But the white looks kind of blue. -- 21:51, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

That's because the shading is tinted. Shading doesn't always have to be black, and when it comes to white-and-colored cats, black shading doesn't always work. <span style="">21:53 Sun Dec 1

CBA? 20:17, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Rainflower (Q) - For Approval
ok. <span style="">02:15 Mon Nov 18

I think it's beautiful! Can you change the nose to pink like in the StarClan image?

I don't think the nose is supposed to be filled in on these blanks?

Oops, my bad. I'm new to these charart things XD

Sharpen the shading on her forelegs a little. This looks fabulous .o. 03:59, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see any highlight on her hind legs.. <span style="">07:39 Tue Nov 19

Highlights are not mandatory on images. Perhaps suggest an alternative, since I'm not entirely sure Splook uses highlights.

Maybe smudge the earpink a little since she's longhaired? 08:55, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

She needs a highlight on her hind legs, if your light's coming from this angle. At least along the right side (our right) of her foot. (By highlights always assume I mean the lighter areas, whether you use highlights or not.) 04:59, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you change the position of the eye pupils? Like, maybe in the middle like most images are? -- 23:05, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * The pupils are the artist's choice, unless they're crooked or whatever. These are alright. 23:44, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, pink nose please. Anyway, its awesome. :D <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  08:50, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Queens don't have filled noses. Btw please use a user subpage instead of a block of text for your sig <span style="">19:50 Sat Nov 23

Smudge the pelt into the ear pink. -- 15:58, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="">22:51 Sun Nov 24

Define the unshaded parts just a bit? 02:25, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken and define the shading juuuust a bit?

Reuploaded. By defining the shading, I used that as defining the unshaded parts too. Let me know if I should define them more. <span style="">17:51 Thu Nov 28

This is completely optional, but may you add a tail highlight? All the other parts of her that are not shaded, have highlights. And I think the tail would match more with a highlight. Looks beautiful, Splook. c: 14:51, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine. <span style="">00:35 Sat Nov 30

CBA?

The shading's leaking from the back of her tail and from along the edges of her belly. Fix that, and I'll re-CBA. 20:50, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:18, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Leafstar's Mother (Queen) ~ Withdrawn
Something is just... Not here. Not sure what, can someone pinpoint it? <span style="">00:59 Sun Nov 24

Reuploaded I tried thinning the stripes but it still looks weird someone help me plsplspls <span style="">02:07 Sun Nov 24

Lighten her base a bit more. Amazing, as always~! <span style="">2:50 Sun Nov 24

Also shift it so it's a little more cream-ish? Maybe asking Paleh for the file so you can get the colors might be a little easier...

Do you mean the pale brown? I did switch around the colors a bit to define the color, but it's making the gingery stripes look kinda bad. If I switch the pale brown back to the color I colorpicked, then the two colors won't contrast as much as they do now. So what do you say? Define the stripes, or define the pale brown? and I did ask Paleclaw for an xcf a while back, she just hasn't returned my message yet <span style="">07:26 Tue Nov 26

Yes, I'm talking about the pale brown. Right now, it seems too dark...and the colors really don't match her daughter's.

Ok, got it. I'm coming home today so I'll replicas tomorrow. <span style="">00:37 Sat Nov 30

Reuploaded. <span style="">10:35 Sat Nov 30

What's with the orange nose? Unless she's got a cite for it that I didn't see, she shouldn't have it. I also see flecks of ginger or something in the image that I can't see on the queen?

The orange nose is from Leafstar's images, and can you explain what you mean by the flecks of ginger? This is the queen... <span style="">20:07 Sun Dec 1

There seem to be spots of ginger throughout the image, like there's a few on the belly for example. She shouldn't have any ginger on her at all. o.O

... I colorpicked that from the warrior image so it definitely has those <span style="">20:13 Sun Dec 1

I don't think it's orange though. It seems like more of a brown on those images. I zoomed in on the warrior and that's what it looks like to me?

Like a saturated brown? Can someone give me a hex? I don't have the xcf so it's kind of difficult to match colors and whatnot. <span style="">20:27 Sun Dec 1

Have you attempted to request the .xcf from somebody? It's one way to take an active stand in finishing this image, rather than asking for a hex from anyone. 20:49, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

I asked Paleh like 2 weeks ago and she hasn't replied back yet <span style="">21:18 Sun Dec 1

If she isn't responding to you, then I have a suggestion to see if you can get the color closer. On the "ginger" patches, lock that layer, and colorpick it. Use your color tool to slide it a little closer to red (but not pure red). That should help them look a little more brown, at least! 19:16, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Is this better? <span style="">07:07 Tue Dec 3

Can I get some replies? <span style="">05:26 Thu Dec 5

Try to make her match the StarClan image more? 20:18, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I'll just withdraw. <span style="">08:31 Fri Dec 6

River (Ki) ~ For Approval
My little River <3 All colors are from the StarClan image. Comment away~ 21:58, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading, and he needs to be longhaired. Would you also mind adding some neck shading? It looks kinda sourceless without it. The colors don't quite match either, but I think that's because the shading is tinted on his other images, so try that?

hes gotta be tabby 22:03, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I have a pattern for the tabby by the way - I can email the .xcf of it too you, if you want o3o 22:06, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Lol, sorry 'bout that Cloudy~ I tried it. And yeah sure, Beebs, that'd be great. My email is darkfrosty.frosty@gmail.com c: 22:17, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

sent~ hope you have an easy time matching the pattern 22:54, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Define your shading, it's looking flat 18:08, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading too.

Thanks Beebs. Mind telling me how you did the stripes? I got the pattern down alright, I just can't get them to look like the StarClan's stripes. 02:45, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, Beebs, sorry if I'm confused, but why is Dark obligated to match your pattern? She's the first artist of the set, she can make whatever pattern she wants? Or did I miss out on something? <span style="">08:09 Tue Nov 26

Um, Kelps, I'm tweaking the set. I also asked to make the pattern is well, so that's why she has to match mine.

To Dark, I used a size one brush, and blurred at rate one with Gaus. blur, and smudged the tail stripes with a size one brush. 19:14, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Beebs. I'll have it up tomorrow. 03:31, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Here's a friendly reminder to not forget to upload! You have until Sunday night to re-upload~

Thanks, Cloudy! I'll have him up before then. 14:08, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. x.x Well, I followed Beebs' instructions precisely~ Hope you guys like it, and won't beat me down for not being really good at tabby's. 14:43, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken and darken the stripes a tad - they look lighter than the one I sent you ouo. Maybe try blurring lightly? 14:51, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define and darken the shading. <span style="">16:43 Fri Nov 29

Blur the shading as well.

Re-uploaded. Not touching shading anymore, as it is artists choice on darkness. But I sharpened/darkened the stripes, Beebs. c: 00:17, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

That only applies to when the shading is too dark. Right now, it's currently too light. Please darken it some.

I think the darkness is fine on the gray, but on the stripes it's much too light, to the point where it blends with the pelt color. Also, I can't see a source. <span style="">00:43 Sat Nov 30

I disagree. I can't even see the shading. o.O And it's not my monitor because I just checked on multiple settings and I still can't see the shading on here... I honestly think it should be defined and darkened. The artist's choice thing only applies to the shading when you're asked to lighten the shading, not darken it.... That's what I was always taught, anyways.

I think the shading could be darkened some. Sure, it is artist's choice, but there is a point where you need to darken it, and I believe this image's shading needs to be darkened to be more visible ouo 01:10, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's kinda hard to make it more visible with the tinting..Maybe I can use a darker gray-blue. But I won't darken it that much, since I want to keep the stripes visible. I'll get to it soon. ;) 14:07, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Match the stripes to the starclanner on the main body a bit. They look lighter and a different pattern to the starclanner. 15:29, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

If you set the stripes layer mode on multiply, they shouldn't be fading in the shading. And yeah, I agree you should darken it more.

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading some, and made the stripe pattern match more. 20:58, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

I can still barely see the shading, and it kind of merges with the color of the stripes. <span style="">0:21 Tue Dec 3

The earpink needs more smudging <span style="">05:29 Thu Dec 5

I think the earpink is fine, because that's how it is done exactly on the Starclanner. But if someone else agrees with you, I'll do so. Uploading in a second.. 14:16, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hope you can see the shading now..because I sure can. I boldened[if that's how you spell it?] the stripes, so you could see them in the shading as well. -.- It's kinda hard working with these colors and tints, believe me. 14:29, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Gorsetail (P3) (Q) ~For Approval
I actually picked the stupidest most complicated stripe pattern out jesus 02:35, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Leave more of a gap of plain grey between the last stripe closest to the shoulder and the white, and smudge it quite a bit. I think I'm going to cry ;c you just made my art skills look like crap with your amazing artyness  <span style="">07:12 Tue Nov 26

I disagree, Kelpsey. They're actually two different sides, and wouldn't be completely symmetrical. Smudging might need to be done a tad (but that's really up to the sheep to decide), but as for the plain gray gap, it's unneeded and it looks fine as-is.

Okay, since no one else has commented, I'm gonna CBA this.

So sorry to interrupt. :3 Why is it I'm always the one to break the CBA's .-. But, since you smudged all the gray fur into the white, I think you should smudge the gray into the white on the tail-tip, as well. After that, you may continue this. c: Looks amazing. 23:18, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Murrr the solid gray is smudged into the white... But the stripes aren't. Can you smudge those in, to match the warrior? I remember, when I was doing this image someone pointed that out. <span style="">00:03 Sat Nov 30

They do appear smudged, though? At least to me they do... I think it just looks different because Breezey and David style their images differently, and completely matching another user's style is complicated and they're also two different sides of an image...

All that I see, is that the gray was smudged slightly into the white to give it that furry effect on the body. I just don't see that effect on the tail-tip. I don't see the gray smudged ever-so-slightly into the white. That's what I'm yearning to see. So sorry if I caused an argument, but I'd prefer if you would please do so, skt. ouo 14:12, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's smudged, but you might not be able to see it because of the tail stripes? Personally, I think the tail is fine as-is.

Whatever..that's fine I guess. 21:26, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The tail is smudged, it's just a little had to see. I smudged the shoulder grey area a bit more, and the stripes a tad, and I have no idea how I did the stripes on the first version of the queen, so I'm trying my best. 23:59, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes look a bit pixel-y. Maybe soften their edges just a bit, so certain sections don't look quite so square? 03:40, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, it's more of a style preference. Wonderful, skt~ <span style="">07:09 Tue Dec 3

Broken Shadow (Q) - For Approval
All the colors are from her old queen image. Changes here Comments? 00:39, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Add just a little depth to the facial and chest shading? She looks quite pretty, Scar! 19:46, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Chnages 02:44, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Move the belly highlight so it's along the left (our left) belly lineart, rather than so far to the left. It throws your light source off a bit. 15:30, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I'm pretty sure this is what you meant Changes 01:25, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, like that, but a little closer to the lineart. Like, so no shading is along the inside area of the belly lineart. (The highlight would be right up against it) 20:47, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Changes 02:04, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I meant our left side of the belly, not to the right. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough D: 03:39, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait, left as in closer to her head or tail? 04:09, December 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Closer to the tail, I believe. <span style="">07:10 Tue Dec 3


 * Closer to the tail 00:37, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 05:27, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sandstorm (W Alt2) ~ CBA
Hi there I have no idea what this is but I like it. It's the russet alt, so if I need to tweak the colors, I'll gladly do so.

Aww... I wanted it *pouts* Thicken the shading a bit more on the shoulder and smudge the ear-pink a touch more. She'z puuuurrrddyyy 00:24, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Here be you go and thank youuuu

Define the shading on the forehead, and I'll go CBA this. Wow this is really pretty 19:55, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

CBA? 20:02, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you darken and define the shading on the foreleg closest to us? It seems rather faint in comparison with the rest of the body. 03:38, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Eh I thought it was fine but okay whatever it didn't seem that faint unless PS is hiding layers on me again.

CBA again? 20:19, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Rowanberry (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? 21:38, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Could you unblur the patches if possible just a little bit? Compared to the warrior, these patches appear blurred slightly more.

re-up 14:56, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the belly shading just a touch. Pretty! 03:37, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

re-up 19:21, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nettle (Ro) ~ For Approval
Nettle~ changes be here. 22:36, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg shading and blur the belly/side shading.

Reups  12:16, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg shading for the two on the back of the image. Like the two we can't see the entire leg. I think it would be the right legs??? I can't explain it very well I'm sorry.

I think you mean the ones away from us, correct? me neither <span style="">09:57 Sun Dec 1

Yes, those are the ones I mean. I'm horrible with words.

Reups how about the legs furthest from us? c: 18:47, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the hind leg furthest from us seems to cut off right before it's covered up y the other hind leg. Expand it up the leg, so it doesn't just stop so abruptly. 20:45, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 15:47, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Try darkening the shading on the tail just a little bit.

No, shading darkness is artist's choice; and I think it's fine. 15:09, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the furthest leg >>>>> that way. <span style="">19:14 Tue Dec 3

Eh? I don't know what >>>>> means, but I think all the legs are fine. 19:16, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think >>>>> means [that side] of the image. It is an arrow. <span style="">1:29 Wed Dec 4

Comments? 21:15, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mapleshade (A) ~ For Evaluation
This is my apprentice charart of Mapleshade. Comments please? Ⓐngel Ⓢⓣⓤⓓⓘⓞ (talk) 22:42, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Wow! This is awesome for your first charart! Great job! Maybe define your tail and paw shading, and I think there's a bit of waste around the image. 22:52, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the black line at the earpink. Looks pretty, Angel. c:  23:24, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

This needs to be named File:Mapleshade.apprentice.png, other than that this is very pretty! -- <span style="">07:17 Sun Dec 1

I don't think she'd get the ragged fur, as she was described with it in TLH, as a rogue, but I could be wrong. 19:44, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Does she need texture? I'm not sure if it's the shading on her other ones. 21:20, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mapleshade (Ki) - For Approval
Comments? -- <span style="">23:32 Fri Nov 29

This... Looks... Awesome. One thing, the tail should be a little more puffy. AWESOME!!! :D 01:13, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

I think it looks fine. It is an extremely small blank, after all.

Define the eye depth. Looks pretty as always. c: 18:23, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that all colors are from her queen image, which Raven just recently did. I don't think you can really define it anymore since you only have three or four pixels of eyecolor area to start with. Although could you lighten the white a teeny bit if you don't mind?

I don't think she'd get the ragged fur, as she was described with it in TLH, as a rogue, but I could be wrong. 19:44, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

On Beebs's comment, I doubt she'd have ragged fur as a kit. 21:19, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Leafpool (Q) - For Approval
Comments? -- <span style="">23:32 Fri Nov 29

Go over the stripes with a tiny smudge tool lightly, just to get a slightly fuzzy texture. Great job. .o. 00:26, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Would you mind thickening the belly shading just a bit?

Re-ups -- <span style="">03:24 Sat Nov 30

She doesn't need to put a texture on...that's completely optional. 03:51, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

The texture is on all of her other images, so I assumed this one should match the others. Anyways, Raven, could you blur and thicken the belly shading a touch more? 20:43, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Splashnose (Q) - For Approval
Just in time <span style="">16:49 Sat Nov 30

I can't see the stripes at all?

I can see them fine? I think it's just your monitor... And as for the tail, it's mottled and doesn't have stripes. <span style="">19:00 Sat Nov 30

No, I can barely see them. 19:05, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

The mottles will have to go, as she has /no/ cite for them.

Reuploaded I think the color should be good now. I don't want to lose that dusty hue so I'd prefer to keep them as-is. And though I removed the tail mottles, I did take it from a reference image. <span style="">09:28 Sun Dec 1

Define the earpink a bit? Wonderful job! 15:08, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

I still can't tell what are stripes and what aren't... please try and differentiate between the two, and it's not my monitor, because it's been on multiple settings and I still can't tell them apart. Also it doesn't matter if it's from a reference image; if she has no cite for them, she doesn't get them.

Well umm what do you want me to do about it <span style="">20:09 Sun Dec 1

Well, perhaps make it so the stripes can be told apart from the base? I mean, it also doesn't seem like there are any stripes on the belly at all, but instead just random streaks of brown? And the base seems far too dark, and she looks almost black and brown. Perhaps try changing things around a bit? I'm sorry but I really cannot tell what's part of the base and what's the stripes? I can't see if the brown is the base and the "blackish" color are the stripes or vise-versa?

Reuploaded. I'm not going any lighter than this. <span style="">20:28 Sun Dec 1

The base still looks a bit too dark. Maybe thin out the stripes a touch and lighten the shading, or lighten the base and stripe color just a touch more. 20:41, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I was /not/ willing to lighten the base pelt and I forgot how I did those stripes so I screwed around a little bit and deleted 2 of my shading layers and added highlights. This isn't even dusty any more imho but whatever <span style="">02:03 Tue Dec 3

Dusty brown is a light-colored gray-brown. I think to make it look more dusty you'll need to lighten and desaturate the colors of the stripes a bit more, for their dark, bold color, (and the sheer amount of her pelt they take up) are taking away from that dusty color you just described being unable to see. 03:36, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Ok there we go. Thanks so much Legs <span style="">07:15 Tue Dec 3

Okay really stupid question. Are the stripes darker or lighter in this case? I'm sorry, I know I sound stupid, but I'd kinda like to know so I don't critique the wrong thing. Like, the only thing that even makes me question this is the belly/back areas? Especially along the upper back, there doesn't appear to be any stripes? Unless the darker color are the stripes, which if it is, completely disregard me... I seriously can't tell, I apologize. x.x

They're the darker color... And as for the back, (this isn't my reference image) large stripe-colored patches do exist on some marble tabbies. <span style="">00:09 Wed Dec 4

I think the stripes need to be lightened a bit more, as I believe when she was described as dusty-brown, the erins meant for her stripes, as well. They look too dark to be dusty still. (And for future reference, those aren't patches, those are still stripes. Very thick, clumped stripes.) 00:02, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mothflight (Kit) - For Approval
Comments? -Feather 17:16, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define and expand the shading. <span style="">22:35 Sat Nov 30

I think the body shading itself is fine and doesn't need to be expanded, but it does on the feet and maybe on the tail.

Thicken the shading along her side/back. 20:41, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 16:33, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg shading just a bit, and her back paw looks a bit flat. Maybe darken the shading around the edges? 19:24, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mitzi (KP) (Q) ~ For Approval
Evrett's a lazy bum and didn't feel like making the image himself. xD He says she's also got darker patches so Imma go fix that now.

Re-uploaded. <internal screaming because pattern>

The white looks a bit gray, mostly on the face, belly and tail. Absolutley sponetaneous 15:46, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's not white, Sorrel. It's supposed to be gray.

Blur or lighten up the stomach shading a tad? It makes it look like a different color compared to the rest of the gray. 19:23, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't actually get what you mean? It looks to be the same color to me...

Tawnypelt (Alt Q) ~ Withdrawn
A dash of colour in my queens. Comments? 21:07, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Shading is receding from the edges of the belly and back. This is lovely, Sorrel~ <span style="">21:49 Mon Dec 2

Reups thank you~ 22:02, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the edges of the stomach shading? 19:21, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 20:36, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, Sorrel, I'm sorry to say this, but you can only have one original image up at a time. You either have to withdraw Nettle or this. 20:46, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. Withdrawn. 21:09, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt. Q2) - For Approved
Swiftpaw's pretty sister from another mister.... Now in pale ginger! Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:39, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty! Lighten her up a bit, and dull the highlights. 23:52, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-upped. '''I'm not quite sure what you mean by dull the shading, but I lightened her a bit. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 00:31, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, Ember, you can only have one original image up at a time - and this counts as one. So, you have to either withdraw Alder or this one D: 00:39, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Nooooooooooo D: Well I've been working on Alder for a month and I am not going to give up on her so this one has to go. *muffled sobs* I'm so sorry, Tawnypelt. I will avenge your withdrawal. (jkjk) Emberpoppy7 (talk) 00:45, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

re-up I've taken over 22:14, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Leopardfoot (Q) - For Approval
Dear StarClan... * gapes*  All colors are from her old queen and apprentice. Changes here 01:55, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Round out the darker spots a bit. 03:44, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Changes 04:12, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the spots. This is lovely~ <span style="">1:28 Wed Dec 4

I'm not sure how to describe this, but it really doesn't look like it matches, pelt-wise. The shape of the spots seem to be it, and how they don't flow with the rest of the pelt, like how it does on the other images?? 00:00, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 05:27, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe put the layer with the spots below the mottles? Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:42, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Cloud (KM) (Q) - For Approval
-phew- c: 23:59, December 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, purty! Smuge the pelt into the ear-pink a bit more and maybe thin the shading a bit on the legs 00:05, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Mistmouse (Q) ~ For Approval
Did anyone notice the changes to wikia? Comments? <span style="">23:54 Wed Dec 4

Thicken the stripes a bit? tiny shnoflakes  19:19, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading a little? Pretty! 20:34, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uplaoded. Thank you! <span style="">0:10 Fri Dec 6