Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

Half Moon name
the first in a series of discussions till my to-do list is empty Alrighty, so I'm running on very little sleep and am kind brain-dead right now, so I'll just skip to the point. I think we should change Half Moon's page name, and possible her name in the charcat. She was called Stoneteller once. And we have no proof that she took that on as a name rather than just a rank, like leader/healer. She has since been mentioned consistently as Half Moon, not Stoneteller, including all through TLH. Jayfeather even still calls her that. It's very possible that the tradition of taking that as their name may not have started yet, as she was the first Stoneteller after all. So with that all in mind, I propose that we change the page name back to Half Moon, and possibly removing Stoneteller as a name from her charcat completely unless further proof can be found that she did take it on as a name. Even if proof of that is found, it's still clear that Half Moon is her current name, and the page name should be changed regardless. Thoughts? 08:19, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Paleh. Since she was apparently "the first Stoneteller", the tradition probably didn't actually start til after her. After all, the founding Clan leaders apprently never took on the "-star" suffix, and Half Moon was only called "Stoneteller" once, anyways. o3o  08:26 Wed Sep 26

Someone told me the reason her name is how it is was because even Jayfeather called her Stoneteller. But, that was only one time. We have proof after the events of Sign of the Moon that contradict that statement. She's been called Half Moon by //every// other cat who has been in contact with her; even after she died, and a new cat succeeded her as leader/healer/Stoneteller/ect. If she's still called Half Moon /after/ her death, it's pretty clear to me that her name was never Stoneteller. I agree with moving the page back to 'Half Moon'. We're pretty much assuming she took the name, when it's pretty obvious she didn't.

I never thought about that, but you're completely right. I'm not 100% on removing it from her page altogether just yet, but undoubtedly, her name did not change. Like the first leaders, they were called Thunderstar, Windstar, ect once and they are not listed as such. 15:38, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. She was called Half Moon after her death, so that most likely means her name didn't change. 16:56, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you all. Obviously the Ancients/Tribe had no intention of calling her that, it would just seem like a title at the time. No one calls Firestar "leader" when talking to him.-- 21:06, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, what more can I say, what ith everything that's already been said? 21:41, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that her name is Half Moon, but I feel I should point out this. It's linked in the trivia on Rock's page. Vicky states that though Rock was the first Healer, it was Half Moon that held the title and name of Stoneteller to begin with. So the author statement should be taken into account. Maybe Stonetellers take on their old name when they die to avoid confusion in the Tribe of Endless Hunting or something. 21:54, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

It never says anything about her taking the name, just the title. Unless I'm looking at the wrong part of the page of course (which I very well might be... derp). But that's even more reason for me to think that she never took on the name, just the title, as Vicky doesn't mention it. 23:29, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that she shoudl be called Half Moon. In SoTM, Jayfeather calls her Stoneteller once. The book still refers to her as Half Moon. Doesn't mean she didn't take on the title though. But idk, that's just me. 01:40, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I've added trivia to her page about this confusion, but if we do change the page name back to Half Moon, what would we add to her charchart next to her Healer rank? "Unknown, possibly Stoneteller or Half Moon"? Seems a bit lacking, I'm sure someone else can come up with a better way to handle it. 16:14, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with changing her name to Half Moon. She never was actually named as Teller of the Pointed Stones so therefore we are assuming she received her name. As for the name on the charcat, I say unknown would do, as we aren't really sure if her name was half moon or stone teller. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC) (DJ)

I'm pretty sure we'd add Unknown into the charcat because that's what we've done on mose other pages.(here, here, and here) =3 20:23, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 21:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Content Drive
The content drive has been Onestar for over a year and two months now, and I think it's safe to say that he's article needs not be the content drive. So with that, who do you guys think needs to be the content drive? Or, do we even need a content drive currently? 22:23, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if we really need one, I quickly browsed through a few articles, and maybe Squirrelflight(quite a bit of her history could use expansion) or Sharpclaw (SC) (All of his history needs to be expanded, especially SkyClan's Destiny). I dunno, just a few ideas. =3 22:59, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sharpclaw is an idea, and while we may have to nominate already "silver" (or maybe even gold) characters, I'd like to hold off on that until we have all possible bronze, started, or planned characters out of the way. =) 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I decided to go through the started, and bronze categories, and I have two more suggestions, Bird That Rides the Wind (needs expansion to history and more quotes), and Smallear(All of his history needs expansion, especially BP, also the quotes could be gone through). So, yeah, just throwing ideas out there. owo 20:32, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Allegiance Only Category
~On the second day of discussions Atelda gave to me; a cool wiki clock and brand new family trees~

So I was thinking, since we have Main, major, supporting, and minor categories for characters, why don't we have an Allegiance Only characters category? Always thought it might be a useful thing to have, and it can never hurt to have more categories to keep things more organized. What do you guys think? 22:14, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea, like you said, it would keep everything organized. =D 02:09, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Paleh, I agree. Having an allegiance only characters category would make it easier to organize the character pages, since they don't really fit in with minor character, because they're less than minor o3o 02:17 Fri Sep 28

ihu I agree. 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing 100%. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC)(DJ)

This would be used for characters like Leaftail, correct? Personally, I think it's a good idea..

I don't know if it would be for Leaftail, as he was mentioned outside of the allegiances. =3 20:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, true. But, he was mentioned, and not actually shown. His name was seriously said /one time/. And even then, it was in passing. To me, that still counts as an allegiance only, since he didn't actually physically appear.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 02:50, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think everyone's in agreement that the category should be made, however I think we should discuss a bit more about whether characters who were only ever mentioned in the book, and never appeared, would be in that category. Personally, I think they shouldn't. It's allegiances only category. If they're mentioned anywhere outside the allegiances, even if they didn't appear, I think they would no longer fit in that category, and should stay minor characters. 19:25, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Badgerpaw - Badgerfang?
K, I know probably no one's read it yet, but after Badgerpaw's death, they refer to him as Badgerfang, at least more than once. Would this be enough to have him renamed as Badgerfang? 00:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oooooooh, would that mean he gets a warrior image as well? xD That would be amazing. Anyways, if he's //called// Badgerfang, then I don't see why not. As long as it can be cited... and I used the browse inside and found at least three mentions. That's good enough for me.

Sorry, but I don't think that that's enough, he never had a ceremony, and it was basically a nickname. If we did that, then we might as well make Heathertail a leader charart and categorize her as a leader, from the game she was playing when she was an apprentice. Sorry, but that's my opinion. =3 00:42, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I'm finished reading the book, I think his page should be renamed, after his death they only call him Badgerfang. 21:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

That still doesn't make it more than an honored nickname. Badgerpaw died an apprentice, technically still a kit. Unless he was seen in StarClan as a warrior and there he answers to the name Badgerfang or something, I wouldn't change his page name. 22:39, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I say no as well. There was no ceremony; Flintfang only called him Badgerfang after he died. Just because Yellowfang (wow, a lot of -fangs here) called him Badgerfang does not mean that it is his official name. It was done to honour him. 02:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Flintfang does say, however, that he gave him his warrior name before he died. It doesn't say a nickname, or anything of the sort. It actually says his warrior name.

Well I haven't read it to really understand the situation enough, but if it really did say what cloudy said, then I'd fully support making that his name. 18:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, so what the heck would his rank be after that? I don't believe he was ever made an official warrior, even if he got a new name, however he did get the name. And currently he has a switch template between kit and apprentice, since he was still kit age. So would he have a switch between warrior and kit then? Or all three? o.o 19:15, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I read that part today, and I fully believe that he should be considered a warrior. A medicine cat's word is about as law-abiding as a leader or deputy, and Flintfang asked her if it was ok, in which she replied that it was, and no cat questioned them. I think that even Brokenstar nodded his head in agreement. 23:16, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that he could be renamed so that he is 'Badgerfang', but I'm not sure about the image situation. 01:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt's Mentor
Okay, even though I joined 5 minutes ago this seems important to me, in Battles of the Clans Cloudpelt's mentor is Crowtail, while in Yellowfang's Secret it is Raggedstar. Currently his mentor is Crowtail and Raggedstar's mentorship is a mistake. On Crowtail's page Cloudpelt is her apprentice. It has been disproved by Yellowfang's Secret that Brokenstar is Raggedstar's apprentice, and on Raggedstar's page Cloudpelt is his apprentice and not Brokenstar. If Brokenstar is not his apprentice then Cloudpelt needs to be, or vice-versa, because if both aren't then Raggedstar dosen't have the one apprentice requirement for leader. On Brokenstars page Nightpelt and Raggedstar are listed as mentors, while it should be only one. On Nightpelt's page it lists Brokenstar as his apprentice. We need to decide which to trust, Secrets of the Clans and Battles of the Clans, or Yellowfang's Secret. I think we should change it to the way it's listed in Yellowfang's Secret way because Secrets of the Clans has had mistakes before. Comments and opinions? I rambled a while, I know. 03:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky told us through a Facebook comment to trust the super editions more than the field guides. I think, based upon that knowlege, we should list it as Raggedstar. 03:14, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I never knew about the post, but I knew the field guides were wrong. Battles of the Clans explains why Crowtail's and Cloudpelt's are wrong, but I don't know about the others. 03:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if they were seen in a book about their Clan that it should stay the way they were most often seen, which, in Cloudpelt's case is Raggedstar, and Brokenstar's is Nightstar. x3 11:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll go change it, since everybody seems to agree. 22:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

...It's been a day since you've posted this, only three people have commented of which includes you and this project has 19 listed members. 22:37, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh.. Okay, I'm new at this. I'll change it back. Sorry! 23:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

If Vicky said to trust the super editions, then we should. I agree that we should put Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 23:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that Raggedstar is Cloudpelt's mentor. The field guides have too many mistakes; we should follow along with the super editions, not just because Vicky said so, but because there's way more true fact in them than the SE's. :3 08:12 Thu Oct 18

Yes, with the super editions we have way more proof of what was real, and they go into more depth about the characters, instead of just stating things like in a short story, so I agree that we should state Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 01:45, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Or you could, you know, list both. Like I did on Russetfur's page. Not that hard. And make a mention of it in the trivia. Even if the SE's are more reliable, we gotta be impartial in this I believe. 20:30, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Listing both, like on Brokenstar's page as well, seems fine. Just make sure it's mentioned in the trivia. 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since they're both official, we can't trust one over the other in any circumstance. I'm fine with both being listed. However, shouldn't it be like with descriptions? Most common should be the one used, or first if used equally. That'd make it Raggedstar I believe. But again, I have no problems with both being listed. 21:21, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Making Assumptions for the Status Template?
Recently, I've noticed that many characters have deceased, suspected StarClan member on their status template, even though, for many, their deaths were never seen or mentioned. They just stopped showing up. It's perfectly possible that they didn't die. I know it's been a long time between Yellowfang's Secret/Crookedstar's Promise/Bluestar's Prophecy and The Last Hope, but who knows? A cat might have left the Clan to become a kittypet. My cat lived to be eighteen, and I know some domestic cats can live even longer, so a warrior could definitely still be alive.

(I don't know if this is going to be really, really long, but I've made a complete list of every character this applies to because it needs to be done eventually: Beetlenose, Birdsong, Brackenfoot, Brightflower, Brownpaw, Cedarpelt, Dawncloud, Dawnbright, Deerfoot, Echomist, Fallowtail, Featherstorm, Frogleap, Fuzzypelt, Grasskit (CP), Lakeshine, Mallowtail, Morningflower, Mudclaw (SC), Newtspeck, Nutwhisker, Ottersplash, Owlfur, Petaldust, Piketooth, Poolcloud, Pricklekit (RC), Reedfeather, Reedtail, Rippleclaw, Robinwing (TC), Rowanberry, Scorchwind, Sedgecreek, Shimmerpelt, Skyheart, Snowkit (OS), Softwing, Stumpytail, Sunfish, Tangleburr, Timberfur, Toadskip, Vixenkit, Voleclaw, Wetfoot, Windflight, and Wolfstep.)

Now that^ is a long list and it needs to be fixed. Oh, and please forgive if there's any errors or missing characters in that list, or if they really have died; I just went through their articles to see if a cause of death had been mentioned.

I think it's safe to assume that the Field Guide cats are long dead, but what about these cats? It's very possible that they could still be alive. I think they should be listed as status unknown until any evidence of death can be found. Thoughts? 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with removing it and adding status unknown, just like you said, anything could have happened. x3 12:27, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

This I agree with. It's said by one of the Erins, that only ThunderClan gets a full list within the main arcs, Firestar's Quest, and Bluestar's Prophecy. I think it was also said that there are many more cats than what's shown in the allegiances of a book, but we don't see them due to them being minor characters, and not enough time to include them all.

Yeah, guys, I thought we had this discussion already. Besides, look at ThunderClan, the Clan of the long-lived, invicible warriors. It's totally possible these cats could be alive (though I doubt Birdsong would still be alive, but we can't assume) 16:00, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should change it, while a few of them like the cats seen in Yellowfang's Secret and Crookedstar's Promise probally aren't alive, thier death's were never mentioned so we don't know for sure. 20:04, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Mallowfur - Silver Nomination
I checked, and the history is expanded to the max and she has the only quote that describes her. Comments? 23:10, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cite her warrior name and add her post-death with a cite, otherwise I see nothing wrong. 20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Finished, though she was never mentioned as a warrior so I changed it to her given name. 21:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 02:38, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up. However, if she's never mentioned as a warrior, she shouldn't get a charart then, correct? 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think so, but Aspentail got one and I don't think she was ever mentioned as a warrior(If I remember right, I don't have Code of the Clans right now so I can't check). Would you like me to remove it? 22:29, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, she wasn't, and so both Mallowfur and Aspentail have chararts despite their rank being unknown. Let's not remove it yet and see what the others think. 22:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

There's a few more characters to add to that list, Brightspirit, Shiningheart's warrior, and Braveheart. x3 22:32, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

We've given countless characters warrior images without them being called then. It should be changed to given name, yes, but to have that name they usually have to have been a warrior at some point. Unless it's hinted or implied in any way that they were possibly an MC, I think it's safe to give them warrior images since they have warrior names. I think them going on like hunting patrols and such would be a decent cite too IHMO. 21:05, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

"She purrs and tells him that even though she was a warrior of StarClan now," if she was never stated as a warrior, that sentence should be changed a bit... Ignore that, I just looked at the quote. It does say she's a warrior of StarClan, so I think you can cite that. 21:06, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Podkit ~ Silver Nomination
Podbelly. ouo Comments? 07:22 Mon Oct 29

Is it possible to detail the first two paragraphs of his history? -- 01:19, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded. :3 01:09 Sat Nov 3

Any other quotes? o3o 18:39, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

quote = added 09:46 Mon Nov 5

CBV? 01:13, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Deerfoot - Silver Nomination
Filled out the history. Comments? I love the names in YS =D  22:38, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Could you possibly detail the second paragraph? ouo 03:53, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Finished. =) 23:10, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 01:14, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Pebblefoot ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 05:26 Sat Nov 3

Are there any quotes at all? Even narrator quotes? 18:36, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly detail The Sight. =3 21:24, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Still Working? 14:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Bird That Rides the Wind ~ Silver Nomination
So, Outcast and SoTM look fine, but I'll expand Dawn and Moonrise. Comments? 18:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Any other quotes that can be added?

Even Outcast and Sign of the Moon look like they can be expanded and detailed.

Still working on this? 14:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes sorry, I'll do this today. 15:44, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'll have to read over the books because google books isn't working, it should be done by Tuesday. 16:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Webfoot ~ Silver Nomination
Looks good to me. Comments?

Expand BotC and possibly detail The Darkest Hour. Good job! =D 02:51, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I also expanded Rising Storm, and added in the section for Mistystar's Omen. I don't think it's a good idea to expand on Battles of the Clans anymore than I already have, since that has to do with Rabbittail, not Webfoot himself.

Can you expand any of the New Prophecy Arc? x3 01:16, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded everything possible.

Fritz (RP) - Silver Nomination
Comments? Gotta love those kittypets. =D 04:37, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Cite his name and ranking in the charcat, please.

Finished. x3 23:13, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Mossheart (TC) ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? I don't think I should add any quotes, since there aren't really any that describe her personality. I've expanded as much as I can, since she's mentioned on, like, one page.

Wolfstep ~ Silver Nomination
Wee~ Got that all done in a matter of a few hours. Comments?

I love his family and his name. 8D Possibly detail the 6th and 11th paragraphs. x3 15:01, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Those two aren't able to be detailed, as Wolfstep is only mentioned in passing. However, if you'd like, I could add a bit of detail about the overall event, taking some of the focus off of Wolfstep.

Purdy ~ Silver Nomination
I think Purdy should be graded silver. Comments? 00:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

There should definitely be more quotes, and all of the history can be and needs to be expanded. 00:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

About how many more quotes should I add (I already did two)? And how much expansion are we talking about, and which books need the most? 01:15, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Just expand the entire thing, Tawny. For a character such as he, who appears quite a lot in multiple books, he should have a well-detailed history. Off the top of my head from glancing at the page, I'd say Midnight, Moonrise, Night Whispers, and Sign of the Moon. Hollyleaf's Story can't be expanded, as I've already looked into that for you. He's mentioned all of once, I believe.

I've expanded as much as I could, and I think four quotes and a main quote is enough. Any more suggestions/comments? 01:57, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps add a couple more quotes.

I've found one more good quote, and added it, but five quotes and a main one is great, in my opinion. Any last comments/suggestions? Because I think it looks lots better. 02:14, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Please expand/detail the last sentence/paragraph in The Forgotten Warrior, and the sections of Night Whispers, Battles of the Clans, and Hollyleaf's Story, if you can. Also, the third quote in the quote section doesn't really describe his personality in my opinion, so can you remove it or replace it? x3 Besides that good job! =D 03:54, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I did all that. I couldn't find a replacement quote, but I think he has a good amount of quotes. So? Anything else? 13:28, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but the history is no where near expectations for silver, especially considering how much of a pain in everyone's rump he was described as. In Midnight for example, starting at the bottom of page 225 going to 252 where the chapter ends and then starting again on 267 to the beginning of 274 is the page span of where Purdy appears. Correlating with the section on the article page, it is very vague and quick compared to all the details in the story. Purdy is a supporting character so try to mention all his appearances as much as possible without getting distracted from the Purdy himeself. To specify, currently in the article, it states, "He takes them to a pool with fish to eat, where Crowpaw receives his saltwater sign." There is ample more information that can be filled there like how Purdy encourages the Clan cats to eat, or how Crowpaw yells at Purdy because Crowpaw tastes salt on the fish, to how Purdy figures out about the "saltwater sign" the Clan cats mentioned. This is only a mere example from one book showing that all sections can be filled out more. 23:27, November 9, 2012 (UTC)