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StarClan Kit Blanks - For Approval
As far as I could tell I'm doing these. Go ahead and decline if I am mistaken. Comments?

No, you were supposed to be the one who made them, Breezey. They're your blanks, and it would be a lot easier for you to do it, since you have the files. Are they just shrunken versions of the blanks, then?

asdf yey~ Thicken the lineart by maybe one pixel if possible and if not don't worry about it, smooth it all out (it's kind chunky and overly pixely in some places) and maybe change the proportions a bit to seem more kit-like rather than just changing the size. Shrink the tail a bit, shoulders and paws and maaaaaybe ears (unsure on that one). Nice job! 04:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, there are some adjustments. Storter bodies, legs, wider chests, and larger heads. I tried to make them look like older kittens. I'll reupload later when I have more time. 04:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Observe. And this is a cat at six months. Bigger eyes and ears in proportion to the face. Stubby legs. Not so muscly. Pathetic-looking tail. 04:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want it to be this small, then they aren't older kittens in comparison to the regular blank. They're tiny, pretty much newborn, so the first image would be more appropriate. 04:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

They don't look resized correctly, like, you know how if you resize something in Paint, it gets all pixel-y? It sorta looks like that. Iaza can most likely resize it well if you try. did totally not stare at Shelly's kitten images for five minutes ouo  E c h o   EchoXFox  23:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

neither did i i swear Make them less pixel-y. -Feather 13:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Feather, don't repeat what's already said. Paleh's already said that. ._.

Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry x3 -Feather 18:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Due to my schedule changing, I can't work on these within the next week. Shelly has agreed to take over for me. 21:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the side of the tail <-- this way there are like two or three pixels that stick out from the rest of the lineart. Do we really need that? Or can it be removed because I don't really think it does anything. 17:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's a gap in > side of the eyes.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do I need to keep this pose? I mean, the living kit blanks don't match the warrior blanks. Of course, I would not change the pose without Breezey's permission. I can work with this pose, but I'd rather move it around to make it more obvious that this is a different blank. 00:32, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should keep the pose. That's the one we voted on, so you should really keep it....

You voted on the pose for the adult blanks. No one has voted on a pose for the kits. 00:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Technically we didn't /vote/ vote, but we all agreed, yes. We agreed on shrinking the blank, not making a totally new one. I would strongly disagree with making a new blank altogether. So yup, same pose please. edit conflict ffff 00:43, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bah, fine. If that's what you guys want. 00:48, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

* pops in* I really don't think you need to make them exactly the same. As long as it's a cat lying down at this sort of angle, if the blanks need to be moved around to accommodate the anatomy of a kitten then I'd say go for it. 04:52, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, they probably should be a bit distinguished. Otherwise, they might be confused for thumbs of the StarClan blanks. 04:53, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! And yeah, I think that the pose is a bit too flexible for a kitten. How about this: Facing the opposite direction (head on the left instead of the right) and the back legs facing us. Not that different, but different enough to distinguish it from the full-grown blank. 05:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, we agreed before (at least mostly) to simply shrink it. Unless a whole new discussion is brought up and there's majority agreement on there, I think it should stick with what we decided. 05:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless a vote was held, I am not constrained to one. It's Breeze's blank and if she gives me permission to alter them slightly, which she has, then I shall be doing so. 14:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Alright. Flipped and made to look more like a kitten in general. Shorter tail, stubbier legs, bigger features in proportion to the size of the head, larger ears in proportion to the head. (hates lineart) I know the lines are a bit choppy for now, but I'll be cleaning that up later. 22:37, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

So any discussion that comes to an agreement that isn't a vote can just be ignored if one person says do it anyways? I mean, if you're just flipping them, I don't much care, but that logic makes no sense. Anyways, the legs are almost too stubby, even for a kit, and the one on its right is oddly positioned. 03:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin out the shoulder, it makes the kit look //really// buff lol 03:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there black specks on <--- this side of the image? O.o 17:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Even out the lineart so that it's relatively the same thickness throughout the image, especially on the ears, tail, and the paws. 17:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, shall be reuploading tonight after classes. 17:21, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

This is really cute! Referencing to this I think the muzzle needs to be a litttlllleeeee smaller... 00:23, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Before you complain about the tail being moved, please note that I only did it because the former position of the tail was impossible without the spine being broken. I know that this is a dead kit we're looking at, but I'm pretty sure most of them didn't die of spinal injuries. 01:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

The tail was originally taken from a photograph. It was totally possible. Please change it back, there was nothing wrong with it. 02:00, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Show me the photo then. 02:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

This was the photo. As you can probably tell from the position of the tail markings, the cat is not, in fact, lying on it's side. Not completely. Its legs are tucked under and it is on its side a little bit, but mostly it's on its belly. That would mean that the position of the tail in the StarClan blanks is actually sweeping mostly to the side, which is completely possible and done to save space. 07:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Except the tail in that photo is nothing like the tail in the blanks. The tail in the blanks is sweeping backwards and to the side, indicated by the fact that it overlaps the back of the cat. That position is impossible with the rest of the cat's spine angled as it is. Trust me, I've tried it with my cat, and her tail was both not that long and not able to form that kind of arc with the rest of her spine as it was. The tail, especially when a cat is relaxed and not trying to look threatening, follows the curve of the spine, and the position of the tail used before was impossible unless it was broken at the base and somehow still functioning. Not every blank needs to showcase the tail prominently, don't make such a big deal out of me using proper anatomy. 14:47, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unless you guys want me to move it so the cat's legs are facing up and not away, I cannot possible realistically move the tail back. 14:49, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Or I could compromise and have the tail match the position in the photo. That way the image still shows the tail and it's anatomically correct. But there's no point in going against what's possible for the purpose of saving space when these blanks are the second smallest ones we've got now. Even the adult ones, had the tail been laid out, would only be probably about as big as the loner or rogue blanks. 01:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The tail position was perfectly fine with the normal size blanks if referenced off that image. Regardless of whether the tail was that way in the image, you can clearly see how the back's facing, and with it being how it is in the photo, there was nothing at all wrong with the tail. We agreed on a shrunken version of the SC blanks. If you want to do something other than that, which is what you're doing now, go bring it up. Vote or not, an agreement's an agreement and you can't just go against it without any kind of discussion because you want to. Please change it back or bring up a discussion about doing something other than simply a shrunken SC blank.

You had five members even comment after you brought up shrinking the old blanks and only two even mention resizing the old blanks. You call that consensus? The only thing that was agreed upon, and I hardly call that agreement consensus since only a small portion of the project took part in the discussion, was the fact that these would be made. They were handed off to me and I will be using correct anatomy. According to Breezey, this blank has the back facing us in the rump area, a position the photo provided does not have and the tail doesn't match the photo at all. So I'm either leaving this tail as is or I'm matching the photo, but I'm not going against proper anatomy based on the "agreement" of two or three members of the project. 02:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

That was the conclusion we came to on the discussion though. >.> If it wasn't enough agreement to go on, these blanks wouldn't be up at all right now. As I said, if you want to not do a shrunken version, go bring it up. Until then, please stick with what the conclusion was on the discussion. And actually, according to whiskey, the blanks are in the position of that photo, and the spine was facing up. Having the tail to the side is perfectly normal. Are you saying cats can't sweep their tails to the side at all? It not improper anatomy to have the tails like that, they were fine.

I know full well what Breeze told me, the spine is facing us. And no, the anatomy is incorrect, and no, I see no project consensus over how the blanks should be done, only that they should be done. I'm not breaking the tail, Paleclaw, and that's that. You wanna prove me wrong on the anatomy, by all means provide me proof that a tail can bend like that in this position. 02:34, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me but go read whiskey's last post. She clearly said that the back's not facing us. It was perfectly natural and you wouldn't be breaking the tail. And the discussion ended after the conclusion was asked for, given by everyone who was still actually paying attention to the discussion. If you think the discussion didn't come to an agreement, these shouldn't be up at all. If that's the case these should be declined until further agreement is actually made, in your opinion, to do the kit blanks at all. If not, go with what the conclusion was. 02:39, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I am going with the conclusion. The conclusion was to make the blanks. No conclusion was made concerning what they should look like. And Breezey has told me that the spine is facing us. If it wasn't the blank would be flat on the bottom, not curved like a haunch is, and we'd see part of a foot at least unless the blank was meant to be obese. I know what I was told, and I know what the conclusion of that discussion was. If you have a problem with what I'm doing, you start a discussion, but I'm going to continue doing my best to make the best blanks I can for this project with correct anatomy. 02:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Now can you please just let me be? I'm just a weary old member trying to do one last thing for this project and trying to do it as right as I can. This discussion is going nowhere fast, and you're the only one complaining so far. I'm not hurting anyone or breaking any rules. I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do and get these done. Now unless you have another critique, please just drop it. 02:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody can read can see what whiskey said in her last post. The spine's not facing us. And if you think the anatomy on them is so bad, why don't we just throw out the SC blanks at start from scratch with your anatomy then, hm? =.= They were references straight off a photo and the cat wasn't obese. Give me one good reason, with that all in mind, not to stick with the shrunken SC blanks other than just cause you think you can do better.

I have no reason to start yet another discussion on something already discussed and concluded to prove to you that the conclusion was to shrink the SC blanks. Go look at the discussion, that was what was decided at the end. I'm telling you to go with the conclusion, which you're not, and you're saying to go against. How exactly do you think I'm the one who needs to start a discussion then?

I'm going to be blunt here, you're being really disrespectful to Whiskey and how she made the blanks, and also very arrogant in thinking you can change whatever you like cause you think you can do better. The blanks were fine as they they were and if they weren't they wouldn't have been approved.

And no, I'm sorry, I will not let you be when you're being disrespectful to other members and refusing to go with what was decided on. Whiskey gave these to you thinking you would do a good job on them since she didn't have the chance to do this. Yet now you're ragging on her blanks. That's a lovely way to thank her, no?

I don't ever remember agreeing to allow you to redo the blanks. I agreed to shrink them and keep the same pose. Nor did anyone else, save for Breezey, I /think/. If you're going to redo the blanks, then I think a vote should be made, since you're basically doing whatever you want with them and forcing us to go along with it. You can't just say that you disagree with Paleh and be done with it, you know. Just because you're the "artist" of the blanks does not entitle you to disregard everything Paleh's told you. I'm not stepping in as an artist, but as /the deputy of the project/. I don't care how they're done, so as long as they're done fairly. Right now, this doesn't seem very fair, as you're basically telling Paleh to go away when she's offering critique, which last I checked, is the basis of the project, and what you asked for. That's not very...proper, I think, when many others have gotten told off, or worse, for doing the same thing you're doing now.

Stop the petty bickering, come to an agreement, or else I can and will assert my powers as deputy, and I'm sure Scarlet would be glad to help me. I'm getting quite tired of this, and seeing no progress being made. They're /blanks/, for Skorm's sake. I don't care what issues you have with each other; put them aside for the good of the project.

Mmkay, first off:

If everything that got approved was fine, we wouldn't have a tweak page.

How am I being disrespectful when I'm just trying to fix some anatomy? I never said she did a bad job, I said that the pose wasn't possible with the tail as it was.

Breeze said that the cat in the photo had it's spine facing up, not the cat in the blank. She told me personally shortly after her blanks were approved that the spine was facing us. I promise you, I'm not lying.

I still see absolutely no consensus in that discussion as to what the blanks should look like, only that they should be made.

I am not acting arrogant thinking I can do whatever I want. I moved the dang tail. If I could do whatever I want I'd have changed the entire thing because I don't think that the blank needs to look anything like the adult blanks, but I respected Breeze's work and kept the pose. I just corrected it for anatomy and now you guys are going off on me continually just because of that. So excuse me for getting annoyed, especially when lately I haven't been given any say in how I've been able to do anything. Why should I start a discussion when you're the ones that ended it without finalizing this part of it or any semblance of a vote? Yes, concensus was reached to make the blanks, but none was reached in how they should look, so why shouldn't I move the tail? I may not have every say in what I can do, but I am allowed to make one danged decision based on proper anatomy. If you guys want to see the tail so bad, I can match the photo, but I'm not moving it back. 03:12, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

We didn't have a vote, I believe, because Breezey was supposed to shrink her blanks, and we were going to work with that. Now that she passed them onto you, it's an entirely new game.

If there's no consensus, then these blanks should not be up for approval until said consensus has been reached. Based on that alone, these should be declined until such agreement has been reached.

I won't comment on the anatomy part because I know nothing about it.

Last time I checked, artists are allowed to pass off their work to whomever they choose, and Breeze chose me. Why should I be subject to a vote when she was not? Why should I be on trial just for doing what I was asked to do when no consensus was reached based on what the blanks should look like? Why can't I just make this one decision on my own? There was consensus that these blanks should be made and you guys just let Breeze put them up, so I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong by finishing them on her request. 03:20, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous. Yes, I did give Shelly the right to do the blanks, and I voiced my opinion that they should be in some way distinguished from the bigger ones. However, I do not remember saying that the cat was complete on it's side, just that Lionheart's markings were about right. I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the cat was on its side. However, nor do I remember saying that it was completely on it's belly and I'd appreciate it if words weren't put into my metaphorical mouth, thank you. The cat is not in a relaxed pose. It is in an attentive, ready to move pose, likely in the process of shifting it's legs underneath it to stand up to investigate whatever had roused it. So it is slightly on its side and slightly on its belly, it's tail sweeping to the side, since, as can be seen from the image I linked, it is actually laying...vertical? Unfortunately, pixels blanks have limited space and make it relatively difficult to add all the bumps and curves into the cat and still make it colorable and good-looking. So before you go off to request the tails be tweaked on the StarClan blanks, know that they are completely possible and I did do my research.

Now, this is my personal solution, and requires at least three senior warriors to agree (like a tweak), excluding those arguing on this image due to bias: The blank's tail can take up the position of the reference image - it is a kit's after all and likely not as long and flexible as an adult's - but no other changes in position can be done unless it is requested by those critiquing the image. Also, if any other arguments pop up on this image, it will be immediately declined and a new artist will be found to do the blanks. I don't see why this needs to be taken to the talk page when it can be settled right here, though it is not our traditional approach. Deal? 04:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing with Breezey on this one. Since I was technically involved when I spoke up there, my say doesn't count. But, I'll voice it anyways, since I'm entitled to do so. Any other arguments that need to be argued can be done outside of the approval page, I think, and perhaps within a PM in the chat or something.


 * -nods- That seems fair for all sides, and I'll accept whatever's decided on through that. I apologize for making such a fuss, I'm just quite stubborn about my opinions, not to mention the fact I'm quite fond of the SC blanks. And I must say I'm quite impressed with you ability to come up with a resolution that's fair for all sides. I promise to accept it and not get involved in anymore arguments.

Since I already told you guys I'd be willing to make that compromise, of course I'd be happy to do it. And I wasn't going to request a tweak of the blanks. 05:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll agree. It's a good compromise, and both sides are treated fairly. I also agree with Cloudy, any other discussion on this matter should be taken elsewhere. 06:03, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody else? 06:53, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, as well. 04:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, sounds good. 04:16, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Whelp that's three then. On a different subject, can you even out the lineart a bit more? It's thicker on the front part of the body than it is on the back. And the far front paw still seems at an odd angle.

Re-uploaded. Moved the tail. I'm going to be offline for a few days while my cable/internet provider is changed and this is all I have time to do right now. 06:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tail looks a bit long. And the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/

Re-uploaded. If you can't get more specific than "the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/", I can hardly interpret that in any productive way to fix it. 03:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I tried redlining it, if that's ok. I wasn't too sure on the tail, so ignore it if it's wrong. 03:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, if you can't see it I'll go into detail. It angels inwards while being completely straight, and though angling inward is fine, as you can see the shoulder on the side, the foreleg seems to bend in a way that doesn't look very natural, and also makes it seem too short. Either make it point out straight, make it a bit longer and put a bit more curve in it, or do something else of the sort. Also make the tail a bit thinner, as it seems quite thick for a kitten, and possible move it down closer to where the body meets the floor, as it gives the impression it's floating right now because of the perspective.

You also might add some structure to the wrist joint of the far foreleg and soften the toes on both, since these are very distinct. The head doesn't connect with the neck on our left very well either, so try to mess with the curve to smooth it out. Also, at this angle you would be able to see both shoulders distinctly, even if it is a kitten, so add some lines on the chest to give the far shoulder some definition. 23:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can one of you redline that paw? I'm having trouble getting it right. Bloo, I appreciate the redline, but it's not really what I'm going for. 23:16, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Like this? 01:54, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if its really blurry or big or something, I did it off my school ipad and the app the school supplied wasn't too great. 01:57, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I forgot- i couldn't really redline this, but also the mouth extends past the chin and on to the neck... Can you fix that? This is really cute! 02:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Fox (Ro) (Ro)~ CBA
Texture~ 01:46, 03/7/2013

The texture doesn't really look like it's going with the flow of the fur very well.. Also, define the shading. It's dark enough, though. Just needs to be unblurred a bit.

Define the unshaded part of the tail. 01:55, 07, 03, 2013

Re-uploaded Gah texture. 03:57, 03/7/2013

Define the shading. 00:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

And blur it as well. 22:33, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Merph. My computer restarted randomly and I hadn't saved the layered image with the new texture so that got redone again. 05:10, 03/9/2013

He looks pretty reddish to me. It's personal preference, but do you think you could move his brown to something more orange or red-orange? 07:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and tail a bit love.

Re-uploaded 07:38, 03/13/2013

He looks a bit blotchy. I know it's probably the texture, but could you try to smooth out his shading? 01:50, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Just re-did the shading. 01:41, 03/16/2013

Define the shading on the chest and face and maybe (you don't have to) make the earpink and nose a bit less bubblegum pink? 22:55, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 03:34, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Yup, still working. 12:29, 03/21/2013

Smooth out the shading on the chest 15:13, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think the chest is fine honestly. Could you smudge the earpink a bit though?

There's a bit of waste near the neck and the head. :3 . 06:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The texture kinda makes it look mottled. Could you fix that? Maybe you could smudge (or so) the texture on a higher strength and a small size (if you didn't).

Re-uploaded 02:00, 03/25/2013

CBA? 04:27, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Misty Water (E) ~ CBA
Eh, I'll probably alter the design in the morning, but I wanted to see what came out if I was only half conscious at the time. 03:42, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mayhap smudge a little of the darker fur in the ear so it doesn;t look like it stops so abruptly. 06:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I also made the fur a biiiit smoother. I was going for a haggared look, but not too hair-like. Furry is better. 23:15, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading on the head? 02:41, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Still working?

Re-uploaded. 17:46, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

I really like this, so we're going to go CBA. Seriously how do you do this it's so cool .o.

Rainswept Flower (R) ~ For Approval
I added a pale belly and paws. ouo I asked to make sure it was ok, and thank god it was, or this would have had a different outcome... Anyway, she's my last charart as an apprentice~! Comments? 21:16, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a little green. Nice~ 22:38, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Oh yessss. Sexxxahhh. 21:16, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

The pale parts still look quite yellow-greenish. =) 22:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading too. 23:39, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reups~  17:36, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the paws and muzzle? 23:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the patch on the belly too? 23:28, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the belly. And darken the pale parts, they look kinda off-white right now.

Reups~ Hmm... Lightening and thickening the shading was a confusing... and rather interesting... task. The paws don't seem to want to lighten. :/ 16:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Just a tip; If the paws don't lighten, lighten the shading on 'em. c: 17:28, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Lighen up parts of the face to go with the rest of your light source. 04:29, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thunder (Ki) ~ For Approval
Here's the cute little guy - I will do something about the paws later. ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange, and define the shading everywhere but on the curve to our right, which sould be blurred a bit. Does this make sense? xD 16:40, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I was just doing that now; I looked at it and realised about the odd looking paws and the light shading. ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the white. 17:10, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's also some waste near the paws. 17:14, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Differences may not show for a while...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Reuploaded There was a bit of darker colour in his left paw. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The paws are looking gray and the shading on them is kinda flat. Possibly define them? Also, I know some people don't use pure white, and you may have been told it's wrong to do so, but you /can/. Why not try that, if you haven't already?

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange some more. <span style="">01:31, 03/19/2013

Reuploaded How bout this? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Lighten his base pelt a little? The other images look lighter to me. 23:09, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the stripes. The paws also almost look tinted to me in his other images but that could just be me :U  23:52, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

👍,paws are a bit greyish :P 02:00, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I picked the colours from his images; but maybe the shading made it look darker. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the paws just a tad. 21:08, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Blur and darken the shading some.

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠  ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The shading color's much to saturated. Desaturate it to match.

How do I desaturate the shading colour?? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

For the whole layer you can go to Adjustment, then Hue & Saturation. Adjusting the 'Saturation' slider into the negatives will desaturate, the opposite will saturate it. For just part of a layer you can use the tool that looks like a sponge, make sure the mode is set to desaturate, and you an adjust the strength on it as well. I hope that makes sense. <span style="">22:51, 03/21/2013

Reuploaded Thanks for the explanation, Shimmer! It was a great help! :)☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge the white paws into the rest of the pelt some more? 19:44, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I just realised that I missed a bit when I desaturated the shading; I've fixed that. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Can you define exactly where the shading is on the white? I'm having trouble seeing it. 23:26, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Hmmm CBA? This is a good-looking image, Sorrel. 04:30, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but blur the stripes some. They look a bit pixelated compared to his other chararts. Good job, Sorrel. Bb un   legs  18:01, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded This enough? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Yup! Maybe expand the chest and face highlights a bit. Bb un   legs  18:29, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

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He seems to be really red near the bottom of the charart. Maybe fill that out just a bit with the colors of his stripes or base coat? Nice job! 23:25, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks for the comment, Knight! ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Half Moon (Softpaw) - For Approval
My happiness knows no bounds right now <3 Paleh's white tutorial helped me on this one, but the shading still seems a bit hard-edged. Oh well. Eyes and ear color from her healer image :) 04:24, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 13:33, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's defined enough.

I think the chin(?) chading could be blurred just a smidge. 09:11, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur the shading on her front right leg a bit? 23:21, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

And thicken it there. Also, blur the belly and haunch shading just a tad.

Fox (Ro) (Ki) - For Approval
Yes, I'm doing him. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Comments? 21:20, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Does the texture need to be added like his rogue is? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I'm pretty sure the texture needs to be there. Also, he looks a bit darker than the rogue, could just be me though. <span style="">22:14, 03/22/2013

Re-ups gah texture not showing, not even on GIMP. I just made him a bit ginger o3o I have no idea how to change colors on gimp.. there's no sponge tool x.x 22:49, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste around his tail. Bb un   legs  23:52, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten shading on his legs and paws, perhaps? They look a little too dark. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Re-ups Sorrel, I personally think the shading is fine. 11:15, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. Also, blur the shading too.

Re-ups I couldn't blur it too much, or else the shading would flood the image.. 21:58, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

It seems somewhat blotchy, but needs to be defined at the same time.....hmm...Mind you, define does not mean darken. It just means to make it more visible. Although, the blotchy shading could just be my horrid eyesight.

Re-ups Actually, the blotchy shading was the texture being a derp. xox 11:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups The fur could be blurred more, in my opinion. :) <span style="">13:14 Sun Mar 24

There's a little bit of waste on <--- this side of the tail. Could you also define the light source a little on his legs? They just look a bit flat. Kit chararts are always so cute... 17:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups <span style="">12:54 Mon Mar 25

The legs look darker than the rest of the body, and define the texture. 20:58, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

They're dark because that's where most of the texture is. ouo <span style="">13:18 Tue Mar 26

Jagged Peak (Ro) ~ For Approval
*adds to list of patterns that I hate matching* Comments? Bb un   legs  21:59, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty! 83 Darken up the shading a tad on the main body and the head. Other than that, it looks amazing!

Thank you Stoner! Re-up! Bb  un   legs  13:52, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

-stares at his gorgeousness- Wow. Blur the belly shading ever so slightly? Nice! 17:09, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. bleh I don't like this shading x.x. Bb  un   legs  17:26, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Does he really need one though? He was described as a kit multiple times, even after they set out. There was never anything that said that he actually grew up, if I remember correctly. 19:33, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, he was hunting when they were in the new territory, and wasn't just sitting around like a kit would do. He was doing tasks, which in most cases, would qualify him as an adult cat. I also think since he did leave the mountains and helped with setting up the new groups just like any other cat, it would warrant him an image just like the rest of them.

Makes sense. Define the shading on the back legs some. 04:33, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Bb  un   legs  18:24, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Fish Leap (SP) ~ For Approval
Comments? <span style="">23:43, 22, 03, 2013

Woo~ He's sexy! Lighten the opacity on the swirl stripes on his back. 01:00, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you but I think they're fine how they are o3o <span style="">07:35, 24, 03, 2013

CBA? 04:32, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

sorry but the dark legs don't make much sense to me... the dark on the back could be conceivable as being normal, but the dark legs seem a bit random and out of place. There's nothing in the description about them and they don't make that much sense on a tabby. Any chance of removing them?

Sky (Leader) (Ki) - For Approval
My first charart for the wiki. Comments? 03:04, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cute! Define the light source and shading, and darken the earpink a tad. :3

The earpink is fine. Also add texture like on the leader. Very nice work, Hawk. <span style="">05:43 Sat Mar 23

Define the lighter part on the tail and maybe add some lighter parts on the legs 08:52, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

-Stares at the charart for such a new member- wow.. Probably darken him a tad? Anyone can deny that, though. :3 11:16, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I darkened the shading just a tad, lightened the lighter part on the tail, and sharpened the texture a tad. Thanks, you guys are so nice! :3 13:30, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Shading looks somewhat flat. Define it? Bb un   legs  13:53, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 14:25, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

This is well over 50%, and over 80%, completed. I will add you as an apprentice now. You also might try to tint the shading a little, it's slightly blue-green on the leader. 19:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. 23:24, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Bright Stream (Ro) ~ For Approval
I like her. c: Comments? 20:49, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Is it me, or do the eyes seem blue? And possibly make her lighter? 20:54, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Her eyes seem green to me... Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 20:59, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, the eyes look green to me, too. :3 Lighten the shading on the tail a bit? I love the tabby style, by the way~. 21:59, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit more. It looks great, by the way. 00:26, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Ups^ Thanks, guys. c: 17:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is extremely flat and looks gray on the white. Also, as a head's up, you are allowed to use pure white instead of off white if you want, since I know it's harder if you use a shade off to get it to look white.

Re-Ups^ 21:18, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure if I said this before, but the shading on the belly, shoulder and hind leg closest to us looks like it is seperated from the rest of the white. Could you blur it a bit? 21:34, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the shading on the head a bit? Fitting, a beautiful charart for a wonderful character. :) 23:30, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Shattered Ice (Ro) - For Approval
Icy's reservation had gone a week. So here's my Shattered Ice. ouo. 23:12, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Swag <333. White looks gray on some places. Bb un   legs  23:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. ''' 23:40, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on all of the legs. 04:34, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean, like remove the shading that's fading into it? 21:40, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Quailheart (Star) ~ For Approval
My first charart in quite a while...comments? -- Atomic Pumbaa! Let me define babysitting! 00:22, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart seems blurred for some reason, and define the shading. Bb un   legs  00:23, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading on the back/haunch is fine, however, the tail needs defining, as does the paws and face. Also, the ear pink seems to get lost in the ears, and I'm having trouble seeing it.

Colour in the nose, darken the paw dapples a tad. 00:41, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Lineart isn't blurred, there's just waste along the edge of the lineart. Pretty sure that's what it is. <span style="">01:39, 03/24/2013

Well, the back does look blurred or something... it's not natural, whatever it is, and needs to be fixed.

Enlarge the white in the eye, it looks a bit too small for the eye size 03:19, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

There's also some grey in the eyes 04:56, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Waste/blurred lineart near the spine. Pretty! c8 11:40, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Tall Shadow (Ro) - For Approval
Here she is. I swear, this cat is Shadow's twin. Or actually is Shadow... Suggestions for improvement for Tall Shadow? 17:10, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

She's pretty! I really can't see anything to improve on. x3 ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Blur the shading a bit. 20:55, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm.. I believe it's blurred enough.

Starlingfeather (Star) ~ For Approval
so many layers sigh 22:15, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make it a bit more reddish (maybe tint the shading) to match the elder. Bb un   legs  22:22, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

I colour picked right off his elder, they're all the same colours. 22:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Graywing (WC) (Ki) - For Approval
All matches the leader, comments? 05:15, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks a bit flat. 20:53, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Duskwater(E) - For Approval
16th! Comments? 20:53, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should just define the shading the tiniest tad on the tail. Great work! 23:32, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks~ 'Re-uploaded'' 00:34, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Mousefang (Star) ~ For Approval
Yes, I am aware the stripes do not entirely match. Please do not tell me to make them match, as I'm completely unaware of exactly how I made those other stripes. It's not smudging, but I think a filter of sorts. I can't remember for the life of me how I made them. Other than that, comments are more than welcome, and as with my other images, all colors are the same.

Darken the shading a tad? And I think you did great on the stripes, it seems about right for the position. ^-^ 22:18, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... I'd rather not darken the shading, since for this, I had to use black. However, if others would allow it, I'd actually like to tint the shading on this, and nominate the others so I can do the same. I'd also like to fix the pale parts, since it's just white on a lower opacity.

I am not so sure about this; but maybe just define the earpink the slightest tad. This is amazing! 22:36, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

The ear pink color matches the other images. However, if you'd like me to unblur it, I can do that instead.

No, no. It's okay. I like the way you blurred it. I can't stress this enough, but this is incredible, and I mean it. :3 23:31, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and thicken the back stripe. 23:35, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had to redo the entire thing because I lost the file 'cause PS is an idiot. ._. Okay, so I tinted the shading, and changed up the coloring of the paleness a bit. Everything else is pretty much the same.

The pale doesn't really look like it's shaded. Either add or darken and define the shading on it.

Changes weren't showing, sorry.

Hmm the pale parts on the paws seem to be places wrong when compared to the other images. Can you make it match where it's placed on those better? And it also needs to be blurred.

Re-uploaded. I intentionally didn't make them match. Also tweaked the stripe color a little bit.. it's not going to fully match in terms of color because of the tinted shading. Since if I shade with black, it looks shiny.

Rainleap (Star) ~ For Approval
Piece of cake compared to snowy :3 Will put on reservation table asap. Everything from stripes to colors to ear smudging from rainleap's warrior image. Willing to mess with stripe color though, i goofed with those. Damn I really like this chick... 22:28, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

She looks kinda cross-eyed, and make the stripes a little less paintbrushy. Nice job! Bb un   legs  22:39, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, Bramble, this is a nice image and all...but technically, you posted before reserving the image, as seen here and here. There is also no date next to your reservation, so that means since you've already posted, I do believe this will be declined. However, that's just the opinion of one lead. Others may disagree with my view.

No, I believe it'd be declined, as well- the posting before reserving, namely, but the no date next to the reservation is a definite. 22:49, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, just add the date. There's no conflict with another artist at this point in time, so there's no point in declining the image. Just remember to reserve your image beforehand next time, and to put the date next to it. 22:53, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

So, just because there's no conflict means we need to throw the guidelines out the window? Plenty of other artists have had their images declined because of the date rule. Why should we just disregard the rules because there just happens to be no others that want this image? I don't care if it gets reposted or anything, honestly. I'm just following the rules.

I'm sorry! It's okay If you really want to decline this, but I'm kinda disappointed... :( it's okay sorry for being an idiot. Ill put the date if that'll make things better? :((( 23:09, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Bramble, it's not your fault. Sometimes, accidents happen. Go ahead and keep your image. I'm in a good mood, so I see no need to decline it. Disregard my previous comments. =3

Yee thanks Cloudy! 23:12, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Gorsestar (Ro) - For Approval
Im not big fan of this one.. I think I'll ruin everything I touch.. >.< ,13:04,March 26,2013 (UTC)