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Stonefur Alt. (D) ~ For Approval
I really hate the shading and the ear pink. >_< Comments? 20:33, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the ear pink tons. Make the ear pink smaller and center it as well. 20:38, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I knew that would happen. But I still dont like it and I blured over it a bunch... 22:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink color less neon/bright. Dull it. 22:32, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tryed to dullen it but I ended up darkening it....I had now idea how do dull it to be truthful... 22:44, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Give the eye some depth, not just one flat color. Blur the shading more, add some between the foreleg and haunch, and have less on the tail. 22:46, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. 22:57, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I thought the shading was funny. And I did my best with the depth. Looks better now! 23:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink. 23:03 Sat Nov 5

Blur the shading a lot and thicken it. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:42, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

The shading needs major blurring, fix that. 00:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the heading for you. Anyway, redo the shading so it conforms to the contours of his body and add depth to his eye, maybe change the color to match that image, which is where the alt came from. You might want to tone down you highlights, too. 01:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I re-did the hole thing and I added the depth as much as I could. Comments? 01:43, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred a lot. 03:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blured and blured but it doesn't look to different. Sorry you guys... 03:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I believe this needs to be renamed Stonefur.deputy.alt.png 03:48, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Want a really useful tip for blurring the shading so it looks natural? Take your blur tool, set it on "60", then blur the edges of the shading with a small brush, then get a slightly larger brush, use the blur tool, set it on "100", then blur where you smudged. You may have to do it more than once, but once it looks natural, then you're good to go! 05:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the earpink, and make it more triangular. 13:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded @Twilightheart I tryed but it just ended up with spaces and @ Shadewing I don't really know how to dullen the ear pink but...well I tryed! 16:22, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can help you if you want. 16:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

What with, Stoneclaw? 18:38, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

You don't know how to dull earpink? You just.. darken it.. Perhaps smudge the shading and then blur the smudges a lot. I do that sometimes. -- 19:51, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I made the shading worse...if possible... 20:19, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Do you need help with the shading? -- 22:16, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes plesae... 23:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I redid the shading for you and blurred the earpink. -- 00:00, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Awesome, Snowwy. ^^ 02:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Just blur the shading on his neck.

Reuploaded Thanks for the help Snow.. And I used Ivystripe's thing. THanks for the help everyone! -- 15:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. -- 00:11, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I also darken it a touch. 00:40, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred a bit. 02:57, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Other than the shading that needs to be blurred, this looks really great. :) . 04:32, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks. I actually blured it a lot to be sure. :) 22:39, November 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * ) Better. The shading on the tail just looks to dark, can you fix that? If not, I think it's okay. ^.^ . 23:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Now that I look at it I know see that you are right. *dips head* Thank you for your comment. 01:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful, Sandstorm, dull the earpink. 03:16, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thank you. And changes not showing. Made very nice progress over the few days! I really love this now! 03:29, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the chest shading? 01:02, November 11, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I blured everything just to be sure. 01:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred more. 18:36, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Especially around the shoulder and neck. ;) . 21:23, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Did you smudge the shading on the neck.....? Smooth out the shading by blurring it. -- 12:12, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I am gonna work on this soon but Snowwy I didn't touch it other than blurring it... Why Snowwy? 20:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe because it looks smudged :P Blur it out nevertheless when you get to work on this. -- 21:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blurred a lot. The changes aren't showing. Other then the shading I think this is good! 16:54, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Could you blur the shoulder shading a tad? 02:28, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded You say blur, then I shall BLUR! 02:56, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Still need to be blurred more. You can see where the shading and the highlights (if you use them, if not, than the normal pelt color), meet. Try and blend it. 18:39, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink looks like a blob. Please make it more triangular.

I think the earpink looks okay. There's lot of chararts with earpinks like that. 20:12, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I didn't touch the ear pink. The changes aren't showing >_< 21:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and make it fit into the ear more. Blur the shading/highlights and smooth them out considerably. 00:34 Tue Nov 15

Reuploaded I really don't get what's up with the shading. I blured it soo much! >_< 22:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

You can always use Gaussian Blur to blur the shading. Theres a Gaussian Blur on Pixlr, I think. 23:20, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

...What? But I used Ivystripe's thing and it normally works! 23:24, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights bigger. 00:01, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I also blured it a lot. 02:40, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur 'em more. Also, this needs to be named Stonefur.deputy.alt.png. 03:26, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on the neck looks uneven, can you smoot it out do it doesn't look so bumpy? :) . 03:46, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I renamed it. Can somebody help with the shading? I can't blur it anymore! 23:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

What program do you use? It should be easy enough to do it yourself. Smudge it and blur it. Also right now the shading doesn't make much sense. Look at this tutorial image and follow one of the warrior shading examples. I'd suggest the first one, as it seems the closest to what you have right now. 00:23 Thu Nov 17

I use pixlr. I already smudged it becuase somebody else told me too. 01:29, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be changed a lot. It really doesn't make much sense as it is right now. 01:32 Thu Nov 17

Well I did my best... But it doesn't make sense? It's a charart... 01:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Shading needs to make a charart look 3D and right now yours isn't serving that purpose. It doesn't look like you changed anything. Did you reupload? 02:03 Thu Nov 17

Lighten the shading then blur like it could save your life XD 18:51, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

I would say thin out the neck shading. 20:32, November 17, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I just re-did the whole thing. 23:05, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful, perhaps add a bit of shading on the tail. :3 00:24, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded There was already shading there so I darkened it. Thank you for your praise 01:51, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think you use highlights... right? Just guessing. If you do, can you brighten the highlight on the haunch to match the other highlighted spots? 01:58, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice. Make the tail lighter, and darken the shading on it. Right now it looks all shading. -- 02:01, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Yes, I use highlights. 02:38, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more of a triangle, 'cause right now, it seems like a blob with a small point. xD 07:57, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am soo glad I re-did this!

Much better. Darken the feet and add a light area to the tail so it looks more dimensional. Make the earpink smaller and dodge it a bit. 23:51 Fri Nov 18

Reuploaded I just made the area on the tail lighter because it was already there. I leik this :3 00:29, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Did it specify which cat in the picture was him? I always though the front one (with amber eyes) was Graypool and the back one was Stonefur. If that was the case, this would need to be darkened and the eye color would need to be changed. How do we decide which cat's which in these cases? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:47, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm well I don't know. Leads? 17:36, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I have the book right in front of me. I do believe Stonefur is the cat furthest to the right, however, it doesn't directly state it. If I'm correct, this needs to actually be lightened. Throughout the book, on the pages where there are groups of cats, the order of the wording at the bottom of the page with the picture is usually the order of the cats in the picture themselves. We don't know this for sure, though. In fact, this shouldn't even be up if we don't know for sure which cat is which. 18:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

O.O whhhaaaat? 18:13, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Talon had an alt and Sharpclaw received one too assuming that the order of wording is the same as that in the pictures. Concerning the picture, there seems to be more of a highlight on the fore paw nearest us rather than on the tail. Nice job 18:26, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

So before and if I reupload, is this declined? 18:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC) Define and darken the shading and blur the highlights. 23:32, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded The highlight is on the tail and the paw. 02:21, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't really make sense for the highlight to be on the paw. Darken it to match the rest of the leg, and darken the hind paw that definitely should be in shadow. 05:01 Sun Nov 20

Reuploaded I made it worse >_< 15:55, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink triangular. 22:52 Sun Nov 20

Umm it is. That's the best I could make it without it looking creepy. 00:06, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Looking creepy? I don't think earpink CAN look creepy. And it still needs to be a bit more even and triangular. It's a bit lopsided right now. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:29, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the top of the earpink is curved downward. And the shading on the tail looks weird to me. I'd shade it darker on the bottom, or at least at that weird spot where it's shadow and then really light.

Forgot to sign. ~Breezewhisker~ 05:12, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the ear pink back into the ear, and the shading still needs to be blurred. 07:46, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Is it getting better? 00:32, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

It is getting better ^^ There is a dark spot on his tail where it looks like the shading leaked. Get rid of that and I think it'll be ready for CBA. 02:00, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

And blur the haunch highlight, I can see it layer out. -- 02:03, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded :D 02:06, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me! CBA? 02:59, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

D: I'm sorry to interrupt CBA, but the shadings blotchy on the leg nearest us. I'm sure this'll be CBAed in right after though! It looks wonderful. 02:19, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded There's nothing wrong with it.....:_: 02:25, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

I saw it as well. If nothing was wrong, she wouldn't have commented. I can still see a small, dark blotch. -- 02:31, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I triple checked an now it's gone. Changes aren't showing. 02:35, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

You still need to blur the shading a bit. Then it should be ready for CBA. 03:16, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink and make sure it's constant; it looks a bit smudgy - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 21:24, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I didn't touch the ear pink too much though. 21:57, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights more Wild  fire Hazelx Thorn!  00:42, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a tad bit more pink. 02:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Don't forget to sign, Sandstorm! Blur the earpink and make it smaller. 02:19 Sun Nov 27

Reuploaded I made it worse 21:32, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur all the shading, then blur and pinken the earpink. 21:18, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Also make the earpink a tiny more triangular. F i r e <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">s <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">t <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Gold>Firestar will rule all the Clans forever! :)  21:27, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Oh my....I hate this... 21:55, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Did'ya use highlights? If you did, blur 'em. Also, darken the shading just the slightest. 22:06, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded This looks horrible! And yes I use Highlights. 23:17, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink needs to be blurred and fit into the ear and the shading/highlights need to be blurred majorly. <span style="">23:36 Mon Nov 28

Reuploaded I just re-did most of the shading. Changes not showing. 00:03, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Looking good, Sandstorm. Blur the shading on the front paw a bit, please. 21:26, November 29, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I also fixed some blured lineart. 21:33, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? 21:06, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but can you blur where the shading on the front leg where it meets with the unshaded parts? 22:13, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to change the heading, Misty. :3 22:18, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Blanks~ For Approval
Okay figured id finally post these. Its going to take forever to get them approved anyway. So ill make the back ground transprent when im done, and deal with any half erased pixels. Its just easier that way. And ill post the MCAs after these are approved. Its gonnna be a long approval process.... 05:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Stunned* These look amazing. Perhaps thin out the lineart on the forepaw/leg closest to us on the shorthaired blanks. 05:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

YAY MY LOVE YOU POSTED THEM <3 Make the front paw closest to us smaller. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 I LOVE THESE <span style="">05:10 Thu Nov 10

Thin out the lineart on the tip of the tail for the shorthaired blanks. Other then that... yay! I <3 'em. 05:11, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't about how the blanks look. I'm confused, I thought we were waiting to post these until the fourth series was done? o.0  05:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Crouched like that, their shoulders would be higher up and the front of their backs would not be concave. Look here. Specifically at the cat on the top right. These look like their shoulders are dislocated. No offense. 05:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, what about MCA's? 05:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she was going to post those after these ones were approved. 05:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, missed that. 05:33, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I'm allowed to comment here, but I can stick it in Photoshop and redline the anatomy for the body if you'd like? If you'd rather I not, I'd suggest rounding the shoulders and smoothing out the back, like Shellheart said. Drop the head down and to the left a bit, right now it makes the front of the neck appear to long and the chest to big. Bring the hindquarters forward slightly to help with the back. This is the closest I could find to the position you have here It's a snow leopard, but has roughly the same shape as a domestic cat. ~Breezewhisker~ 05:42, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

^^^ Why is that person not in our project!? Please join! 05:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Breeze, join us! I really don't have anything to say about this, since what's been said really is fixing up what I had in mind. I just wanted to say lovely job, Iceheart! 05:51, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, I'd love to know the same thing. That's a very detailed explanation, and it's better then anything I could have said. Wow. Breezewhisker, you really should join PCA. 05:53, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I don't think I'd be good about the regular part in the guidelines, though, with school and stuff. ~Breezewhisker~ 06:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, we're actually doing this 5 months early?? Awesomeee! The chest kinda looks like its not connected to the stomach right behind the front leg, Holy crap these are epic! XD - 06:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Okay, sorry if it's just me but the muzzle kinda looks.. akward, the way it's sitting. It looks like it's been moved too much to the side. Hope you get what I mean. 06:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

GORGEOUS! The only thing I can see wrong other than what's already been said is, the tail on the longhair blanks are a bit too pointed. So just to get this straight, once these are approved, we can go on making NEW apprentice images, but we can't tweak any of the old ones till either after the forgotten warriors is out, or after the current series is done, right? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕ <b> ☆StarClan be with you★ </b> 07:17, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

SPECTACULAR! OH MY GOSH! This is amazing. But personally the tail looks a little too bushy at the start of it. 11:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

These are breathtaking! Can you make the top of the head curve round a bit more on the shorthairs, and possibly shorten the neck by a few pixels on all the blanks. 12:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! These are awesome. Maybe make the whiskers a little bit longer? -- 12:24, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The shoulders just look off. There are joints misplaced in it, and there's length is places that their simply shouldn't be length. I suggest reviewing your cat foreleg anatomy and sourcing that up. I know you're going for that half-crouch play pose... But frankly it looks canine in the body right now, not feline. 14:31, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They look so... different *-*. I'm not sure if this has been said, but could you make the shorthaired tals more round at the end? 19:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, I have to say I'd vote for Breezewhisker to redline the anatomy. She has a lot of experience with animal anatomy. You should see her DA page, it's amazing! And since she offered, you know, it could make things go faster here. 19:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Huggles* They're great! Though I do agree with Breezewhisker. *clings to Breezewhisker* You must join us... o.o Okay, done with the stalker part... The long haired tail, in my opinion, needs to be longer. It kind of looks like Berrynose's tail in a way. Other than that, great! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Breezewhisker. Also, I agree with Shelly. I think Breezewhisker should redline the anatomy. Also agreeing with Misty; the long haired tails do look like Berrynose's tail. They look a little bit too straight, too, though it may just be me. 21:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Should these be made transparent? 21:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she'll make the background transparent. Just give her time. 21:20, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay :P 21:22, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, Icy! I kinda looks like their muzzles are tiny bit crooked, slanting this side ---> and with the longhaired blanks, their tails kinda look like pine cones xPP Can you maybe make it a bit more like the To-be blanks? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 21:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Redlines. I did them fairly quickly, so they're not perfect, but perhaps they'll give you a general idea. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:41, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They are wonderful, Breezewhisker. Very nice. 22:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, those are epic! Now you definately should join the project 8DD So, is Ice gonna trace over them or somethin? Oh, and I think you should draw a line over the bases of the tail - 22:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Breezewhisker's redlines look wonderful! Pleasepleaseplease use them! 22:57, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

If she wants, I guess. What I'm mainly trying to show is the skeletal and some of the muscle structure. The outline ones are to show a little bit how the edited structure would make them appear. I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by the line over the bases of the tail, though. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt talking about your redlines, though. Im thinking the lineart should be connected at the base of the tail - 23:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. ~Breezewhisker~ 23:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The lineart just seems a little thin around the eyes and whiskers. And the blanks look... a little cartoon-y if you ask me. Perhaps include some depth in the shoulders, and haunches like we did with the prey-hunters? We need to make these look like actual bases. /waits to get shot by Iceheart. -- 23:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The long furred blnck on the tail it looks to plumped. Make it go a touch bit longer. Also the ear, amke it a little bit bigger. Very nice!

This is great! Can you make the tails on the long hairs more furry? 00:59, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Epic. :D Can you make the back leg closer to us slightly closer to the body, it looks too far from the body and the front leg seems closer. 01:05, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The muzzle looks akward. 22:31, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

These look awesome! The tails on the long hairs look a bit, well, fat. Maybe thin them out a tiny bit. Or something. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  08:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just some constructive criticism here-the long haired tails look kinda like Cedarpelt's. and the muzzle looks awkward. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 17:07, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmm, maybe make the long haired tail curve more like the short hairs? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink"> Spring...✿ 02:11, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The fur on the chest on the long haired ones, maybe make it to where it's more pointed, not that curved, because it kind of looks odd to me. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart put in a polite request for y'all to hush up for a bit. Right now it seems you're commenting on the images ^up there^, and she's in the process of modifying those blanks to look more like Breezewhisper's redlines, so your comments will amount to nothing until she's reuploaded the blanks. (She's writing an English speech right now, so she can't get on the computer to say so herself) So until she reuploads, don't comment, okay? :3 <span style="">03:34 Tue Nov 15

Reuploaded- Thank you Breezewhisker, saved my butt. Anyway, theyre still a fail but lets move on. You guys need to check out they guidelines: You are not supposed to post a comment that someone already said. After the fist 8-10 people 90% of the comments were repeats. And as for the comments, they have to be helpful. Im well aware i need all the help i can get with these, but comments like "The muzzle looks awkward" arent helpful. You must suggest a way to fix it. And thats my rant. Comments? 23:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

These look much better, Iceheart. Could you make the lineart on the front right leg a little thicker? The cat's right, not ours. 23:34, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should get rid of the line coming into the front leg at the elbow. It makes the elbows come out a too sharp an angle. 23:56, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the tails on the long furred cats look like they aren't following the spine. Just have them come out at the top the same way they do on the short haired cats with the bottom being furry. 00:03, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

They are very pretty! Can you thick the tail fluff on the long hairs? 00:52, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Can you make the whiskers on our right, their left come in towards the center of the muzzle a tad? These are wonderful, I can't wait to use them <3  01:05, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely, Iceheart! Raise the shoulders a tad more, extend the line of the jaw this way --> a bit more and maybe make the hind haunch of the longhairs furry. Add to what Shelly said, maybe drop the tails downward since cats are taught not to stalk with their tails up. xP - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic job, Iceheart! ^-^ Though there is waste or gray lineart on the tip of the tail on the long furred apprentice. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   03:02, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lookin' good. The thing that really bugging me, though, are the tails on the long haired cats - they'd look a better if the tops were concave-looking like the short-haired ones, just fluffier on the underneath since that's the direction of the fur. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:55, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if this counts, but when I imagine a cat, or look at mine from a front angle, their faces always seem more triangular-ish, kind of wide near their ears and tapering down to their muzzle. Well with these, the face seems to jut out a bit near the left eye. Again I'm not sure if it counts, but it makes the face seem ... a bit blocky. Maybe you could narrow it down a bit more? Otherwise I think they look fantastic! -- 04:22, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think the tails' current positions are fine (don't drop them like Scarlet suggested - I don't think they're stalking, I think they're just playing) but by saying that, I'm not trying to contradict Shelly's statement. The top of the tails should be a bit straighter, like the shorthair blanks. Make the back a tad flatter. These are awesome <3 <span style="">00:14 Thu Nov 17

I don't mean to be annoying to Wildheart, but the back doesn't need to be any flatter - I think the curve in it should be moved so that it is by the base of the tail. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:10, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add some fur on the haunch lines on the longhaired blanks? 00:40, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Extend the muzzle becuase it looks to squished right no. Extend the ear a touch and the tail still looks to plump. Smooth it out so it looks a little bit more balanced. 01:54, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think the ears are fine, but I do after to agree with the muzzle.. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:56, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Yes i understand the tails look better like this, but part of me wants them to still be a poof, so they at least match trhe warrior images a bit. 20:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I would say I like them better with the poof, but that's just my opinion. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:15, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I also think you should keep the poof. The longhaired female's tail is different from the longhaired male's tail, make them the same. 21:36, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I like the poof too. Maybe make the long-haired blank's fur have less fur showing, and slightly thicken it out so it matches the other blanks, if that makes sence. 22:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the poof does look a bit better. I just don't think it needs to be quite that poofy. Maybe make the end a little thicker so it looks smoother with the poof. ~Breezewhisker~ 00:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should keep the way it curves on the top, but make the bottom more plumey. I don't like the way it curved before. <span style="">04:41 Sun Nov 20

Sort of like this and this and this although the last one's at an odd angle. Actually, the second image was just 'cause I thought it was funny. <span style="">05:55 Sun Nov 20

So to poof or not to poof? Ive gotten multiple different answers and none really line up. 01:47, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I say keep the line of the top of the tail, but make the bottom really poofy. <span style="">01:56 Thu Nov 24

What Wildheart said. Keep the line showing the top of the tail, but fluff out the bottom. ~Breezewhisker~ 02:06, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

These look great, yeah make it fluffy, and what was our reason for changing them? Just wondering 22:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Everything about the image was just off. The tails looked weird, the ears were hard to make the ear pink fit. You name it, that was probably an issue. 22:22, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah the tails are totally different sizes 22:39, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

The heads look a bit oval-y. Move the ears <-- this way a bit, bring the far cheek in a bit more and let the muzzle stick out a bit more. Also disconnect the bottom of the ear to the lineart of the upper jaw. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 20:49, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- 07:00, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make the long haired tails a bit thicker and pointier at the tip. Also, on all the blanks, it looks like the back leg farthest from us, is going in front of the front leg closest to us. Does that make any sense? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  07:06, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

The elbow joints still look like they're broken. Make them jut up less. 13:13, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes look a little off to me. Possibly move the eye closest to us a bit down? (I don't know how else to put it in words.) 16:47, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Could you make the paws look like they're gripping the ground? Possibly make the toes spread out? -- 22:19, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Arch the back a bit towards the hindquarters. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:45, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Also move the joint in the back leg and the shoulder up a bit, and move the head down. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  11:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I didnt do all of it because it looked bad but i did most. I hate reuploading all these, theres so many. 00:22, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I really see is maybe the whiskers on our right. They're at the same angle the muzzle would be and look plastered to the side of its face. Maybe angle them like the other side or curve them a little. These look really great, Iceheart! ~Breezewhisker~ 04:45, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (Alt. W) - For Approval
As he's shown in The Rise of Scourge. 18:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

(As I am too lazy to look it up) did you ever get rid of one of your three reservations so you can do this? 18:18, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

No. If I was supposed to, then decline this. -_- 18:20, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. 18:23, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blue the ear-pink, and there is some gray in between the he haunch, and back paw, and make him long-furred, he looks long-furred. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 18:50, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Theres waste between his legs - 18:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the ear pink? :) . 18:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enlargen the ear pink and center it while dulling it.Also smudge the paws and tone down the highlights if your using them. Also darken the shading a touch. Very accurate! 21:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The shading's dark enough. .-. However, can you blur it and blend it with the highlights a little more (if you use them, that is)? 21:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Could you please blur the neck shading? <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

His legs are shown as dark grey, not black. 02:34, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

You forget color one leg..or he have only three dark legs? Leaf-storm,16:45,November 13,2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: He only has three dark legs. 16:52, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear pink and blur the highlights a lot. 19:19, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ear-pink is fine, Sand. Define the highlight on the face and middle of the tail a bit more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:07, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste, make the earpink just a tad smaller (sorry Scarlet, but she's right) and move the chest highlight to the left a tad/thin out the shading on the left of the chest and thicken it on the right. <span style="">00:42 Tue Nov 15

Just letting you guys know that I probably won't be able to work on this until Friday, because of school. 11:11, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blend the high-light into the pelt a little bit more please. <span style="">01:50 Thu Nov 17

There's some waste under the belly. 19:23, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the eyes be amber unless they said otherwise? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Trollsky <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> She who Trolls everything 01:33, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights. 05:31, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the highlight a bit. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  17:15, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the shading on the tail? 22:12, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this, Moon? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:20, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I could take over if Moonflight isn't working on/uploading this anymore. 08:15, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I belive you have to wait for that person to say they aren't working on this. For all we know, Moonflight's internet could be down. Just be patient. 00:16, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

If it's been a week without work, DJ, you may take over. 00:20, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -  shouldn't this charart have white markings on the face, because that's how he was shown in the Rise of Scourge? 07:51, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it should. Blur the tail tip and the ear pink. It's very blotchy. Blur the shading too. 22:01, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the neck shading, the rest looks fine to me. <span style="">02:05 Thu Nov 24

I think the shading looks fine. It shows the size of his shoulder well. Maybe smudge/blur the darker part on the front leg a bit. ~Breezewhisker~ 02:14, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I don't really like the white markings. I blurred the shading just a bit anyway. 05:54, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading as it looks flat. Neat! 01:59, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, the shading look... awkward, because of the smudging, if other people agree with me, do you think you could fix it? <span style="">12:39 Sun Nov 27

Try blurring the shading, not smudging. You also have blurred lineart near his muzzle, tail and a bit on his haunch. Also, make the earpink more triangular. Sorry for all this. xD  21:59, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded -  I redid the shading, and the white face markings still bug me. <span style="">06:17, Mon, Nov, 28, 2011

Better. Smooth out the shading a little more. 20:39, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the white markings and there is waste around the image. 21:15, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights. -- 01:16, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - <span style="">06:00, Tue, Nov, 29, 2011

There is waste under the chin and smudged lineart on the tail. And blur the earpink. 20:59, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded -the lineart and waste is bugging me, I bet the next comment will be on that. Also now the earpink sucks... <span style="">07:38, Wed, Nov, 30, 2011

o.o *meep* There's waste near the tail lineart. .3.  20:44, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Onestar (Alt. L) ~ For Approval
This is most likely going to be declined. See CotC, he is some light brown tabby with white markings. Comments? 01:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, you're fine. He looked like he had white srtipes on his legs and tail in CotC, but the error must be put in trivia on his page and the page must be cited before this can be done. 02:04, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

His white markings on his legs and tail look almost pale gray, not white so try to brighten that. And blur where the white meets the brown on the chest. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:14, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, since you're working from this image, it looks like his body and haunches have white stripes as well. Try to match the image as closely as possible. 02:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shelly. Maybe enlargen the white strip in the chest. Lighten the shading on the haunch a little bit. Good work. 02:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Shading is fine, Sandstorm, oh well, it looks strange... 03:33, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

You could try making the white stripes less prominent as it goes up. That would probably look more natural. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look cream to me. My motto is: When in doubt, color-pick! 04:06, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

It looks cream to me too. And could you make the stripes slightly more pointed? It makes them look more natural. Looks good! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  06:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fail. I made the stripes slightly more pointer, and I made them white. Next time I won't choose a such a difficult tabby. 15:46, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

This is actually really cool looking. Blur the white stripes more. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:22, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, I (and I think Ivy) meant the stripes look cream in the CotC image. XD Not on here. I was saying you should make them cream on here to match. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The bottom stripes are white, but slightly cream, all of the others are white. 03:40, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I like that color Stoneclaw, but Im looking on this and can you blur the white stripes and blend them with brown a little? Its good on the tail :-) 16:54,November 15,2011 (UTC)

Pretty! But with the white and cream stripes, it looks awkward just switching colors on the stripes, could you maybe make them all one colour? 01:12, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste on <- side of his face in between the whiskers, and can you smudge the white stripes? 17:58, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

There's also a tiny bit of waste above both his ears. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:44, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge and blur the white stripes, and smudge the earpink into the ear. 01:11, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I will fix the waste. 01:21, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the haunch on -> that side a touch. Beatiful! 23:08, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. There is no waste. 05:25, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, there is a bit of waste right above the gap between the forepaw and haunch as well as right to --> that side of the haunch. Tilt your screen to see it. Also, make the earpink on <--- that side of us stay confined to the ear as there is a bit it on the side (->) where you can see the ear tilted. This looks great! 04:51, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

The stripe on the legs look sprayed on. Could you smudge then or blur them more? Also, there is some white leaking from his hind paw onto his haunch. 09:05, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Redid the image. 18:39, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

This look really good. The only thing I'd do is maybe darker the fur on the back. It appears a little darker in the picture. ~Breezewhisker~ 18:51, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I lied. Looking at it again it looks just fine. Ignore me. ~Breezewhisker~ 18:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look a bit yellow instead of white. 21:08, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Can i do lillykit and withdraw this one? I am withdrawing. 00:57, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I am withdrawing this to do Pinenose. 01:00, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, she is reserved. 01:09, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The creamy brown stripes comes from the image, oh well. I color picked. Wait... Why aren't changes showing? 01:31, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Better. 01:46, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. wrong file name... 01:51, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes on the body look yellow. The ear pink looks a little bit to bright. There are two dots right above the ears, waste. 01:58, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is completely fine. 23:52, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome Stoney! I think you should blur the stripes on the tail. Tell me if you disagree though. <font color="Black">S  <font color="Gray">t   <font color="Black">a   <font color="Gray">r   <font color="Black">s   <font color="Gray">h   <font color="Black">i   <font color="Gray">n   <font color="Black">e   <font color="Black">C   <font color="Gray">i   <font color="Black">n   <font color="Gray">d   <font color="Black">e   <font color="Gray">r   <font color="Black">h   <font color="Gray">e   <font color="Black">a   <font color="Gray">r   <font color="Black">t   <font color="Gray">A   <font color="Black">w   <font color="Gray">a   <font color="Black">i   <font color="Gray">t   <font color="Black">s   <font color="Gray">L   <font color="Black">i   <font color="Gray">o   <font color="Black">n   <font color="Gray">b   <font color="Black">l   <font color="Gray">a   <font color="Black">z   <font color="Gray">e   <font color="Black">'s   <font color="Gray">R   <font color="Black">e   <font color="Gray">t   <font color="Black">u   <font color="Gray">r   <font color="Black">n   22:37, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the white stripes on the tail should be thinner like the cream stripes on the body. 16:39, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are fine. 19:33, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the stripes so they're less rounded at the ends and sharper. <span style="">02:22 Sun Nov 27

Reuploaded. I am a failure. I messed with the stripes, :)-- 01:14, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes are too dark, and a bit dirty yellow, maybe make them more like Daisy's color? And make ALL the white on him that color, instead of having some white and some cream? It looks odd this way. Also, the tips of the stripes need to be pointed a bit more still. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:49, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. -- 00:38, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I totally didn't mean for you to smudge the stripes like that, but it looks really cool this way ^^ smudge the pelt colour into the earpink a tad more. <span style="">04:00 Wed Nov 30

It does look cool~ Blur where the white meets the rest of the body on the chest/belly/whatever you call it. Not a whole lot, but you get my point. xD 05:21, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, they look awesome like this. 8D But ALL the white needs to be cream. Meaning the chest and the tail too. It's been commented on multiple times, but it's still not fixed.... ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  18:53, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Cinders (Lo) ~ For Approval
Yep, Cinders is Sol's mother. I went by what I saw in the manga. Sorry I didn't get to add it to the table. I'm not back on it yet. 00:43, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and the patches. Nice work. 00:48, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading, darken the earpink, and possibly smudge the patches a bit, as they look a little...conform, not sure if that's the appropriate word. *shrug* She looks neat! 00:50, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on all those in the morning. 01:13, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Did you use pure black? You shouldn't have, as it messes with the lineart. Change it to a darker gray. 04:42, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, if you look carefully, you can just see the lineart. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Trollsky <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue">She who Trolls everything 06:45, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Well regardless of whether it's pure black or not, it still needs to be lightened. Also, smudge the patches a bit. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:48, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangular and blur it. 10:41, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Did everything said. Changes are showing. 14:21, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the earpink a bit. 14:42, November 23, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

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It's supposed to be Bluedawn. 21:10, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened the ear-pink too. 22:22, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

You still need to blur and smudge the patches a lot but other than that darken the ear pink and make it triangular. 22:26, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the "black" or whatever it is a little bit. I'm having trouble telling it apart from the lineart. 22:29, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:46, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Define/largen the ear-pink. And make it less, hot pink-ish. <span style="">01:46 Thu Nov 24

Reuploaded Changes are showing now. 12:52, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe smudge the fur more or blur the black spot more. Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  00:30, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes aren't showing yet  00:43, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ok now they are showing. 00:46, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Also, try to smudge where the black meets the white on the neck. I think you overblurred. Silver, if you have trouble trying to fix it, just ask. ;) 02:27, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry the new version is horrible. My computer needs fixed AGAIN so I'm on my dads. 13:22, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, it kind of doesn't look like it has any. 23:19, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Also enlarge the earpink. <span style="">01:13, Sat, Nov, 26, 2011

I'll get to that tomorrow morning. 00:56, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded This scares me >_>  18:37, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I really like this. Can you possibly blur the patches more, though? 05:39, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I'd say smudge the patches a tad more so they look like Ivy's image. <span style="">08:01 Mon Nov 28

Reuploaded Yes it's smudged not blurred. 00:17, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can you define the earpink? 05:19, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

The white on the muzzle looks pure white. 21:05, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Cinders (Q) - CBA
There's no reason Cinders wouldn't get a queen since she's Sol's mum. I don't have the book nor have I read it, so I made the pattern believeable to go with her loner image, course I added a little bit of my own artistic creativity. Comments for improvement? 16:57, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Aww... I was hoping to get this, but the faster hunter catches the prey ;) Blur the black patch on her haunch where it meets brown a bit more, define the patch on the tail near the white, I can't tell if that's a patch or shading and blur the white paw on her right foreleg a bit more. This beautiful! :) - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 17:30, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ditto, Scarlet, after Hollowflight was finished. This is really amazing. Add some depth to the white belly shading, to make it a little less flat. <3 00:47, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

ohhh I <3 this! Make the brown on the haunch a touch less circuler. Enlargen the ear pink a touch. 01:59, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, earpink's fine. Just definee the highlights/unshaded parts on the forearm. *two thumbs up* 8)- 02:02, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes look cross-eyed, can you fix that? Love it! (Though I have no information about her character yet xD) 18:37, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

How you did the darker fur on the hind leg looks funny to me. Shouldn't it just fill up the whole thigh? ~Breezewhisker~ 04:57, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded and Breezewhisker, I didn't know what you meant so I defined the shading on the hind foot. 03:19, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I meant the black fur. I don't have the manga, but the way you drew it implies theres a big circle of brown on the thigh. The loner image up there has it filling the whole top. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:31, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

We aren't supposed to copy it exactly. 03:55, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you tried to get the markings on each charart close to the same. Whatever, then. It still looks funky to me. ~Breezewhisker~ 04:05, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Also, if you notice, I have the black come all the way up so it would make that marking on her other side on her loner image. I'm sorry it looks funky to you but I like it, unless a lot of others object then I'll change it 04:13, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit. This is lurvely. <3 <span style="">02:33 Sun Nov 27

There is a little bit of waste above the farthest front paw. Loving this, Ivy! 05:36, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur/define the smudges where the brown meets the black on the shoulder. Awesome! 01:34, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this, Ivy? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 14:56, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you are, then blur the shading/highlights on the belly/midriff. 21:22, November 29, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Yes I am, I had something I had to do. I'll reupload it sometime tonight. Sorry about that! 22:29, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded By the way, blur/define are opposites, so I guessed and just blurred. I promise I'll be on this image like white on rice from now on. 01:23, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

No need :3 CBA? <span style="">03:58 Wed Nov 30

Tallpoppy (Alt. Q) - For Approval
Ugh... Comments? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 15:20, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! She looks kinda cross-eyed, though, and can you put less shading on the foreleg closest to us? Because I think you used highlights on this one, and if you did, make it not look so straight. Sorry, I'm a terrible explainer. :3 17:46, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the belly shading a lot. 19:47, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes may not be showing. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 20:00, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

If they are showing, the eyes still looked cross-eyed. <span style="">00:58 Thu Nov 24

The changes aren't showing yet. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:26, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Now they are - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 17:40, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink more visible. It's kinda hard to see. 21:22, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

It looks fine to me, just make it a bit bigger. Anf blur the shading. <span style="">01:36 Fri Nov 25

Re-uploaded. Reworked the shading. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:52, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Mm. Much better. However, there seems to be an area of non-shaded pelt right beside the haunch. Shade that in, please :3 <span style="">04:59 Fri Nov 25

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:08, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading. 23:23, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:46, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten up the top of the hind leg to keep the shading consistent. ~Breezewhisker~ 06:45, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:58, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste on the back. 18:39, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:26, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

No one's commented in a while, so I'm gonna say, CBA? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:45, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry to break CBA, but pinken the earpink a bit. 19:17, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Leopard, change the heading next time. 19:18, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on the back looks blotchy. 19:19, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of saying what's wrong with it, Sandstorm, try suggesting a way to fix it. 19:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Okay I just wanna ask: where's the light source? The shading placement doesn't make sense to me :s <span style="">21:15 Tue Nov 29

Re-uploaded Huge shading make-over... Comments? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:38, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stomach shading. 01:59, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:47, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Much better ^^ Darken the shading a tad. <span style="">03:52 Wed Nov 30

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:03, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste around the muzzle, in the little area right below the whiskers. 05:26, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:57, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Cinderheart (Alt. W) ~ CBA
As seen in The Forgotten Warrior. Comments? 21:10, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten and blur the shading. 21:14, November 26, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Add depth to the eye. 21:16, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Eye is artist's choice. I think it looks fine. That's the same style I use. 21:25, November 26, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded 21:28, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste all around the charart. Give it a white background (new layer) and tilt your screen back, then you should see it. After that, delete the background. =P 21:57, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh yeah I forgot to erase it 22:14, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:22, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, why does she get this alt? 22:46, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading. @Ivyheart, because in TFW she was seen to look exactly like Cinderpelt. Read the discussion on the main talke page under the heading of Cinderheart for more details. <span style="">22:49, Sat, Nov, 26, 2011

Yeah, she said something like 'She looks just like me!' on page 210 -- 00:59, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

She could've meant features/build-wise. Like somebody could look like me and have different colored hair. ~Breezewhisker~ 02:19, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I doubt it because 1. Most of the warrior cats have the same features because they are the same breed (most, not yellowfang) and 2. the erins get the two of them mixed up alot. 02:32, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with your first statement, Wildfire. Not all cats look alike, and just because they're practically all related, they aren't all the same breed. Breezewhisker, Hawkfrost got redone to look like Brambleclaw and Tigerstar, so she should probably get this alt. If we aren't being hypocritical XD <span style="">06:12 Sun Nov 27

Reuploaded 20:16, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Darken and blur the shading. 20:40, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:32, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste around the charart. 23:01, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ugg Okay one sec 01:13, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 01:20, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a tad more. <span style="">08:03 Mon Nov 28

Center the ear pink and make it a little bit bigger. 21:59, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:39, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Wild, this is coming along beautifully. I adore this image. 06:59, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a bit and center it. ^-^ Wonderful job! 22:02, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 23:41, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Setting 24 hours. <span style="">03:57 Wed Nov 30

Yellowfang (E) ~ For approval
Feathertail was declined, so yeah. ;)

Here we go...And I shortened the muzzle as much as I could without ruining it, but if it needs to be done more, let me know, and I will try my best. . 03:02, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Moved image 'cause OCD. How come she gets an elder? *missed that discussion* <span style="">03:05 Sun Nov 27

She was technically an elder between officially joining ThunderClan and Spottedleaf dying. Smooth out the bottom of the muzzle. 03:06, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Also, match the style of spikes in the other images. 03:08, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Nick her ears and I thought she was a prisoner, not elder 03:10, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

After she joined ThunderClan, before Spottedleaf's death. She was an elder. 03:11, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yellowfang was never and elder. True, she was old, but she had never retired from her duties as a Medicine cat. When she was thrown out of ShadowClan, she had been and MC and then was accepted into ThunderClan as a prisoner and then made the ThunderClan medicine cat. She was never an elder. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:14, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Then what would you say she was between officially joining ThunderClan and Spottedleaf dying? She wasn't a prisoner then, and she wasn't a warrior or medicine cat. 03:15, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

They never said she was an elder, she was a prisoner and was technically still a rogue. They didn't treat her with respect like an elder should be treated with. I think this should be declined. 04:23, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar got an elder image for when he was in ThunderClan. What's the difference? 04:25, November 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Point taken, Cloudy. i totally forgot about that (lol OA was me xPP). Any objections? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 06:06, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have none, but could you make the eyes orange? XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  07:01, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lol. How could I forget the eyes and ears!? Re-uploaded. :D. 08:57, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. XD There's some white specks at the tip of the ear though. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  09:09, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

No objections here.) But could you shrink the earpink a tad and make it more triangular. <span style="">12:30 Sun Nov 27

Very nice! Blur the scar above her eye. 16:10, November 27, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Can I just say something? When ShadowClan attacked, and Rosetail was killed, Bluestar invited her to join the Clan. This image was made wrongly for the right reasons, as she was a warrior, not an elder. If, for some strange reason, I am wrong, then thicken the ear outline. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 18:32, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea. Either way, Re-uploaded. xD. 19:28, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

P.S I fixed the ear best I could, but it would go away and blend in naturally. Dx. 19:35, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Regi, exactly how was she a warrior? I don't get it. She wasn't a warrior. o.o 20:59, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

I think Regi meant MC ? <span style="">21:27 Sun Nov 27

No. Look, after the first attack on ThunderClan by ShadowClan, when Yellowfang was found to have protected the Clan's kits from her past brethren, Bluestar made Yellowfang an official member of ThunderClan. This was a bit before Spottedleaf was killed by Clawface. Between these two events, Yellowfang was treated as an elder of ThunderClan, and I believe she even lived outside the elder's den. She was no prisoner and not a warrior, medicine cat, loner, rogue, or anything else but an elder. That's that. 00:47, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thin out a few of the thicker scars just a tad to keep consistent with the other images. No need to do al lthe thick scars, just a couple will do. 12:40, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My layers merged earlier on, so now i'm bearing with what I've got. . 14:17, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it looks fine. It doesn't need to match exactly since this is the other half of her not seen in other chararts. For future reference, tho, if you're working with GIMP and you want to keep you layers, save the file as .xcf as well as .png. 17:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thistle, are you sure you're not a warrior with your skills? Anyways, I can see nothing wrong with such a wonderful image...soooooo, CBA? 17:52, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt but you have a scar in the clump of fur. It is impossible in placement so either move it or move the patchy fur  01:25, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how, as said before, I lost my layers. But if someone can help me, that would be great. . 04:30, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Loudbelly (Lo) - For Approval
I think he would get one since he got left back in the old forest when the Clans left. Well, comments? 16:46, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Does he get a loner? Did we ever discuss this at all? Well, if he does, define the earpink and blur the highlights. 16:53, November 27, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

The discussion is on the talk page. Are his eyes purple? I think you should change them to more of a blue. 17:04, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

@Shadewing. No highlights on this one.

@Ivyheart. I took the eye color from his elder image... should I change it still? 18:20, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well he could get one along with the others who died. Tone down the shading a tad and make the ear pink more visible. 18:43, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes are purple, fix that, define the earpink, and blur the shading a tad. 20:02, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add depth to the eye if you want too. <span style="">20:22 Sun Nov 27

Yes, you should change it to another color. 20:45, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded -- 00:13, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading pwease. <span style="">01:26 Mon Nov 28

And make the ear-pink more triangular please. <span style="">01:29 Mon Nov 28

Frostfur (Lo) ~ For Approval
2nd loner, 2nd charart, interesting! Comments? :3 <span style="">20:33 Sun Nov 27

Make the shading darker and blur it, and possibly lighten up the non shaded areas. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Troll-de-mort <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> Eh heh heh. 21:33, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

You have white pixels on the front back paw, behind her ear, on the belly fur, on her front leg closest to us and on the tail. Sorry if I'm wrong. Dx  22:04, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs. This is nice! 00:21, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, Misty, I'll try to find them, xD <span style="">00:57 Mon Nov 28

Re-uploaded Thanks Misty I found those! xD Darkened, defined and blurred zee shading. <span style="">01:18 Mon Nov 28

Maybe a little too dark. She looks sorta grey. And maybe bring the earpink forward a bit. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:30, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I hate edit conflicts *coughcough*Breeze...*coughcough* xP Define the light on the tail, add shading to the back of the haunch, and fill the lineart on her left forepaw. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:32, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Edit conflict? Where? :P I don't know what one is Dx) Re-uploaded

Forgot to sign^^) I fixed the shading, it was horrible. <span style="">02:04 Mon Nov 28

Blur the shading some more, and make the earpink mor pink. 21:10, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. -- 01:18, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, and blur it like Leopard suggested. 06:57, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">00:15 Wed Nov 30

You made it too dark. Lighten it a bit. If you use layers, try lowering the opacity of the layer with the shading about... hmm... 5-10%. Also, try and make the highlights consistant with each other, as the face is a lot brighter then the rest of the image. 05:29, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Speckletail (Lo) ~ For Approval
Took the colors from her redone warrior image. Comments? 00:18, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Bootiful! Define the earpink, pwease. 00:24, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a bit. 00:28, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''^-^ 00:46, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, my love. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Troll-de-mort <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> Eh heh heh. 00:50, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty! Blur the ear-pink please! <span style="">01:22 Mon Nov 28

Brighten the ear-pink and define the light on the tail. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:29, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I shall do as you say, Sky. :3 And yeah, I did everything else too. 04:08, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a bit. This is vewy vewy noice :3 Marry me? <span style="">08:05 Mon Nov 28

Reuploaded. I shall. :D  00:14, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thicken and lighten the stripes and make a few less of them. Nice job! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  08:51, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Darken her just a tad. 12:34, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fail. 00:57, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a little more 00:04, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Shadepelt (Lo) ~ For Approval
Now I can upload it. *shot* ~Breezewhisker~  01:26, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty, Breeze! Brighten the ear-pink, blur the shading on the neck and maybe add some under the chin. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:28, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink and make it triangular too. Som eof the shadin gis in the wrong place too if you look on the tutorial. The two middle paws are covered in shading and the hindquarter line goes up to the back. And the tail is covered in shading too. (Just going by what's on the tutorial). <span style="">01:34 Mon Nov 28

There should be some shading on the front of the middle legs and the top of the tail since the light source is in front of the cat in slightly above. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:42, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Not shading, I meant light/highlights. XP ~Breezewhisker~  01:42, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice Breezewhisker, brighten the earpink a bit. <span style="">06:03, Mon, Nov, 28, 2011

I broke the wiki. OTL I don't know what I did.

Anyway, I'll try and edit it tomorrow. ~Breezewhisker~ 06:00, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. There's a subtle difference. ~Breezewhisker~ 21:57, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded (Again). Fixed the shading a bit. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:02, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink. <span style="">00:21 Wed Nov 30

I think with the loner lineart, the ear pink could go either way. The head's facing front, so, the ears might as well. It's all up to the artist, and how they see the image, I believe. Just like the eyes on an image. 05:31, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

So move it or no? ~Breezewhisker~  21:39, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Only if you want to. I like it like this personally. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:21, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Clovertail (Alt. Q)~ CBA
How she looked in Beyond the Code. Comments? 02:02, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink and define the shading. <span style="">02:07 Mon Nov 28

Doesn't she need to be grayscale like Sunfish? Or does this fall under default tabby color? 04:10, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Aren't her front paws creamish too, not just the back one? And I think the color is ok, because her real main pelt color is light brown anyways. And yes, the default tabby color applies to this too, probably. 04:14, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the tail shading/highlights. <span style="">06:05, Mon, Nov, 28, 2011

Shouldn't it just be, "Echosong was mistakenly mentioned as Clovertail" instead of Clovertail being a tabby? It's quite clearly Echosong, she's just called be a different name, so should Clovertail REALLY get an alt? I mean, to me it seems like giving Bluestar a white alt for being called Snowfur once.... But maybe it's just me. *shrugs* If this stays up, make her a bit less green. Good job! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  08:20, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- No because not only is she called Clovertail, but she is also commented on for helping with the kits, help like a queen would give not a MC. 23:33, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, Ok, I didn't read the whole manga, just the browse inside, and I wasn't even paying that good attention so..... XD Anyways, make the earpink stand out more from the pelt. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:00, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- 02:13, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. CBA? <span style="">03:56 Wed Nov 30

Velvet (Q) ~ For Approval
Since Fallow's was declined, I wanted a shot at it. Comments? 04:25, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Nice, Cloudy! Make the collar bend in towards her neck a bit more; it looks like it's a bit thick on that side xP, define the area without the shading (light) on the haunch and shoulder a bit more, and, this is just my opinion, but lighten the eyes up a tad; they look a bit dark. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:31, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. Nice job! 05:34, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the highlight on the midriff. (I think that's a highlight, if not, never mind.) <span style="">06:13, Mon, Nov, 28, 2011

No highlights on this one. Hollyleaf was a one-time deal. I'll fix her up and re-upload in the morning. 06:19, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Color in the nose. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  07:48, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:57, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, please Skye! Looks nice! 21:16, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 21:19, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading the front legs a small tad? :D Very awesome. ^^ . 22:34, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 22:40, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the stomach highlight or brighten the face. 00:08, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Cool, maybe move the tag to the front of her neck more. 00:13, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

No highlights on this one. Re-uploaded. 00:21, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Doesnt matter if theres highlights or not the stomach and face need to be the same brightness. 00:25, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

I know that, Iceheart. I'm not stupid. I'll just redo the shading - no big deal. 00:27, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Eh. 06:02, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

On the front paw farthest away from us, there is a little gray line or something right next to the line through the foot. I don't think it's supposed to be there. 21:19, November 29, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Dunno, but's it's gone now. Re-uploaded. 21:31, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Feathertail (alt.W2) ~ For approval
Comments? 00:02, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

She was an apprentice at the time, not a warrior. 00:07, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, forgot to add the trivia. This is for her no-stripe version in the Lost Warrior. 00:10, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Blur the earpink a little. 00:22, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Kay my bad sorry. 00:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shoulder shading. 01:26, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Aww... I was hoping to get this... Ah well, darken the ear-pink and define the shading on the tail and forelegs a bit more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:47, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 23:06, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blue the earpink. <span style="">00:06 Wed Nov 30

Re-Uploaded. 00:31, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Enlargen the ear pink just a tad, and blur it. 05:19, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rainwhisker (Alt.W) - For Approval
Tell me youre not going to declide this, its manga alt, look in The Lost Warrior. Please :-) 07:25,November 30,2011 (UTC)

Blur and lighten the shading a bit. And define the earpink. 17:02, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I mistakenly blurred hightlights, I maded something with it 18:02,November 30,2011 (UTC)

Oh and I forget earpink, fixed now 18:06,November 30,2011 (UTC)

Erm, wasn't he an apprentice? <span style="">18:07 Wed Nov 30


 * steals* The stripe on the head looks a tad uneven, could you smooth it out please? I love this.  19:17, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

If it was The Lost Warrior, he's a warrior, not an apprentice, Sweet. 20:15, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes reuploaded :-) 20:46,November 30,2011 (UTC)

Sol Alt Lo2-For Approval


Here he is! See, in TFW, he was said to be a mottled brown and black tom. So I made him. I know, i know, i forgot his tufted ears, i'll add those when i upload again. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 18:53, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be referring to him as a mottled tortie, though? He already has brown and black on him, and I think they said he was mottled as well (not sure, goes to check) Anyway, if he is already mottled, I think this will be declined, if not, it stays up. 19:07, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

But, a black and brown cat is far from the same thing as a tortie. If he is alredy mottled, fine, i'll take the mottles off of him. But how can a tortie and black-and-brown cat be the same thing? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 19:09, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm saying he already has black and brown on him, they probably didn't want to name ALL the colors on him. I won't decline this, I want to see what the others think. And by the way, he needs mottles on the black as well. Smudge the black patches into his pelt. 19:13, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, give me a min. Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 19:15, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

If they wanted to name the colours, wouldn't they have just called him tortoiseshell?<font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Hey Shelly.... <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue">Penguiuuuiiinnn..... 19:16, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, thats what i thought, thats why i added it to his trivia. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 19:20, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

 Reuploaded -Mottled his black patches, smudged his black patches into the bronw patches, and made his ears tufted. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 19:30, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Hey Shelly.... <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue">Penguiuuuiiinnn..... 19:31, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded -Darkened shading.

Sorry Maple, but I think I agree with Ivy on this one. Well... if this stays up, make the mottles a bit smaller and more... what's the word... uneven I guess? They look to uniform right now, they almost look like spots. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  20:13, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno, we've had alts made for less. If he was described as a mottled brown and black tom, it's different enough from being described as a tortie in my opinion. However, wouldn't he be a rogue at this point as he's been attacking the Clans? 20:28, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

He wasn't "attacking" he was just snooping. Then Lionblaze found him, and brought him back to camp. So, i'd say he was a loner, THEN a rouge.

Yeah, but before that, during the book's prologues, he stated "let revenge begin" or something like that. He was obviously already plotting against the Clans, I really think that classifies him as a rogue. 20:33, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Do we know that was Sol in the prologue? It was never stated outright. Also, he's been causing trouble for a long while, so, he's a rogue. Simple as that. 20:34, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

'Kay, i'll change this to a rouge blank, give me like 10 mins, kay? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 21:27, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

REuploaded-Changed blanks, took longer than i thought. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 22:15, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and rename the file to Sol.rogue.alt2.png. 22:18, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Could you blur the transition between the brown and black patches? 22:28, November 30, 2011 (UTC)