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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ashheart (W) ~ For Approval
Ashheart as a warrior. I don't think she looks too bad, especially since it was done on pixlr (stupid school computers won't let me download gimp). Comments? 14:20, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Blend out the shoulder shading more, define the earpink, and make it a tad less blurry 16:08, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Changes might not be showing. 16:51, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Earpink looks purple. Is earpink supposed to look purple? If it is, tell me, but as far as I know, needs fixing.Pikachushinx the power of the past 16:52, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Not sure if canges are showing. 17:01, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the shading. ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫ вαʐïṉģα  20:16, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Shading's fine, Feather. Earpink still looks purpley, but the changes do show.Pikachushinx the power of the past 21:10, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

No. The shading needs to be blurred.

Reuploaded 18:06, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Define the haunch shading and darken the earpink. 18:55, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add more depth to the shading? It looks flat right now. 19:35, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the earpink so that it's more in the ear? 22:11, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded 17:16, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Make the earpink smaller, and more in the ear. Also, define and blur the shading. =3 12:39, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Define the tail shading, and define the haunch shading too. Looking good. 08:34, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded 16:41, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Define the haunch highlight, if there is one.

Reuploaded 17:10, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBA? 18:18, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, but can you define the shading and dull the chest highlight a tiny bit? 19:11, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The highlights were bothering me, so I got rid of them all together. 13:54, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Shading still looks flat. 18:36, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rowanberry (Q) ~ For Approval
Her name, her description, mary-sue, in a good way <3



Comments?

♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫ вαʐïṉģα  19:29, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Make the earpink a bit smaller, and blur it 19:43, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

e.e I tried, stupid pixlr makes every bit of shading a hard time. When I blur it, it squares, when I change the size, it overlaps the sides. Ah, well, re-uploaded ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫ вαʐïṉģα  19:51, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on her face, please. =3 01:54, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

I love the pattern, but it's unrealistic in the means that the design isn't formatted to the actual pelt of a cat. The pelt doesn't match up by bit and piece when the cat strikes a certain pose. All you need to do is shift a few pieces of the design like the legs, tail, and a tiny bit on the chest. Feel free to disagree though. 04:32, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really sorry, Teldy, but I'm inclined to disagree with this. I know a friend who had a cat with a similar pelt to this, and I think it is a possible pelt pattern, even though maybe slightly abnormal. ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫ вαʐïṉģα  10:14, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

What Teldy is talking about is that the pelt moves too perfectly. On the back legs, the pattern needs to be raised up. On the front legs, it need to be brought down, so that it looks more natural. Now the pattern looks like it just goes straight across; which is unnatural. 10:19 Fri Oct 12

Re-uploaded I changed the pelt style to make it more realistic :3 ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    12:52, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The cream seems kinda pinkish. Was that intentional?

Yeah, the other cream colour I used didn't blend well, so I tried this one, and it looked slightly better. Also, I think if light catches it, it will reveal more creamy :3 ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    16:17, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I think you'll need to change it. It looks skin-colored, and makes it seem like Rowanberry doesn't have cream and brown, but brown streaks of fur.

For a brown and cream cat, I was thinking something like either Molepaw or Ivystripe without the stripes (the forelegs and underbelly) or like a tortoiseshell. 16:33, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    17:30, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

She looks mottled, if you use pixlr, it's probably because of the blur tool, instead of using the blur tool, I'd suggest using the Gaussian Blur tool at a rate of ten. Also, the shading looks a bit hard-edged on her tail. By the way, this is beautiful. =D =3  22:02, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Lighten the ear-pink 01:11, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I made the brown slightly darker because it looked a bit golden. ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    08:08, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Lighten the shading and fix the eyes and the earpink. 08:12 Sat Oct 13

The front leg closest to us, still looks mottled. 23:46, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I can't see it mottled :s ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    10:11, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I can see it. It's near the elbow. 21:17, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

The pattern still looks like it's been pasted on. It should curve and go with the body. o3o 00:11, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

The shading looks kinda gray on the cream. Maybe try and shade with dark brown instead of black 03:19, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

The shadig still looks hard-edged on her tail, can you blur it? x3 12:15, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    10:17, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, it looks a little bit paint-brushed on, still. 10:18 Thu Oct 18

Re-uploaded I've made it look more like the apprentice and I've darkened the brown. ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    15:23, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the stripes on the haunch connected. ^^  19:31, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪   ♫  вαʐïṉģα    19:47, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Lighten it up a bit. 20:19, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rowanberry (A) ~ CBA
Wow, I haven't put an image up over here in a long time... o3o Well, here is Rowanberry. Hopefully I copied the pattern right c; 20:26, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the markings a little. c: 20:43, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Least she's got a description now....Define the shading. 22:36, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I hope the shading looks okay x.x I was trying to match the way it looked like on her Queen image... 01:53, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Like I said on the queen image, the pattern matches with the lineart too perfectly. When striking a certain pose, the entire pelt doesn't all of a sudden match. So likewise, shift a few things and you should be perfectly fine. 04:32, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Should these colors match the queen? 21:44, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I will redo this to match the queen since Feather changed it, but right now I am waiting for the xcf. file ^^ 00:54, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Oh, and Misty can I borrow the .xcf for this? My email is rowan.lbishop@gmail.com 18:15, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Hopefully I blurred it enough. If I did it too much, it would end up looking weird... >.< 21:57, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Misty, I ///love/// this image. CBA? 21:40, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

This can't be approved, lovely as it is, because the pattern still matches perfectly on her hind leg. Like Teldy said, the entire pelt shouldn't line up exactly because she happens to be crouching. Fix it please. 01:05, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm kind of bad at these kinds of things... Can you tell me how it needs to be moved? 02:20, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

On the shoulder, shift the pattern, up or down, your choice, and maybe to the side. Then, on the top of the hindleg, shift or turn the pattern down. Something along those lines I'd say. 02:46, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded x.x 21:20, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Comments before approval? Beautiful image, Misty. 19:19, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Foxheart (A) - CBA
Hello, remember me? Its nice to be back, well I've done this small treasure Foxheart..but I surely need to start training in chararts agin..aww great old days. ,19:46,October 12,2012 (UTC)

Can you make the pattern match the deputy/warrior more? 21:55, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Make her a bit brighter too, pweeze 01:04, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded, I need some help with those stripes. ,10:07,October 13,2012 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week since anybody's commented. CBA? 18:21, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you still make the stripes match more? 18:42, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reploaded ,14:28,October 21,2012 (UTC)

Another reupload- I realised she is too dark. ,14:35,October 21,2012 (UTC)

Comments before approval? Looking great, Leafy. 19:12, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Barkface (MCA) -for approval
lineart tweaks ftw <3333 comments? Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 02:23, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

There is some waste around him ,16:21,October 13,2012 (UTC)

Define the shading. 16:46, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Is there shading on the far legs? It just looks lighter to me. 18:30, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Try and curve the tail more naturally so he doesn't look like he has a broken tail. 00:45, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thin out the pixels on the top that are solid black. 17:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add depth to the herbs? 18:08, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Can you lessen the red tint in the shading a bit. =3 12:43, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Choo still working? 00:38, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Cleared waste, fixed tail, desaturated shading, shaded far legs, added depth to herbs, and fixed black pixels. Sorry for being so late to upload. I've been really....... busy this week. Thanks for understanding =) Hopefully I'll be able to work on it more this weekend. Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 19:34, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Lighten the shading and define the earpink to our left. x3 20:28, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

The colour doesn't really match the mc. 07:47 Sun Oct 21

Why do the paws look like they're a different shade compared to the rest of the pelt? o.O

Curve the tail more naturally. 20:30, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rowanberry (W) ~ For Approval
I know this needs work, but I'm proud of her. :D Comments? 20:41, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Define the shading. 20:42, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Also define the earpink. It looks like the tan bit on her ear. 22:38, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re-Ups^ I'd rather not change the earpink because I got it from an .xcf, but if anyone else agrees I'll change it. 20:31, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

The shading needs to be more visible. 00:24, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Do you want me to define it some more? 20:07, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

This needs to be lighter to match. 18:22, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Re-Ups^ 20:30, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

The pattern on the haunch doesn't really match the apprentice. Could you shift the brown down the leg a few pixels?

Volepaw(SC) (A) ~ For Approval


......I'm so proud~ My first solid coloured cat that looks decent~ Anyway, comments, amici? Pad foot Mischief Managed 00:04, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nice job amico, blur the haunch shadings. ,12:27,October 16,2012 (UTC)

Reupload. Pad foot Mischief Managed 22:51, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna be grounded for three weeks, so...if I don't work on this, that's why. If this is declined and someone wants it okay~ But if no one does I would still like this. Pad foot Mischief Managed 11:57, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nutwhisker (W) - For Evaluation
My first PCA work. I tried to match the kit art... Comments? 17:52, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Dawn, this is /wonderful/ for your first PCA image. I'm very impressed.

Holy... O.O this is excellent. Define the earpink more. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 22:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Tone down the texture a little and define the haunch shading. ^^ If you use GIMP, I can give you the xcf or if not, I can give you the exact colours I used. 22:39, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. Improved?''' Thanks for the compliments. ^^ I do use GIMP, so that would be great help. (Although I probably should have asked from the beginning, heh...) 17:10, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

There's waste around the entire image and in between the legs. 22:17, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Define the shading. I can hardly see the depth. 14:37, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Improved? 18:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but the paw shading needs to be thinner and you need to lighten the belly/chest shading and the midriff shading. 19:13, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Featherstorm (W) - For Approval
Featherstorm, aka the cat that looked like Hickory until her queen image was redone! I quite like how this came out =) So...whatcha want me to change? 05:42, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hiiiiickory <33333 Hmm....can you possibly define /where/ the ear pink is in the ear? It blends in with the pelt and I can't really tell exactly where it stops and the rest of the pelt begins.

Also, could you make the ear pink smaller? 19:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Cinderfur (A) ~ CBA
Shadingg looks terrible...Pikachushinx the power of the past 11:36, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the earpink. Nice~ 18:50, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks. And commentary at last!Pikachushinx the power of the past 21:42, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think the earponk's leaked onto the back of the ear. 01:43, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Earponk, lol<span style="color:Blue;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:Red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: black;">Pikachushinx the power of the past 07:31, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBA? 17:13, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Archeye (E) - For Approval
Okay so this is the first image I've created on my Mac, so don't be shocked at the failness of it.... x.x 04:03, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

He needs patchy fur. 08:24, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the stripes only just a tad 15:21, October 22,2012 (UTC)

Scorchwind (K) ~ For Approval
Well...I tried. x.x -- 18:00, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Define the shading. 18:01, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded -- 18:09, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. 07:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Hollyflower (E) ~ For Approval
Well......uh....I tried. Trolly and Icey stalked me while making this, so I'm sure it matches pretty okay... Comments? 23:23, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the back just a smidge. This I like. <3

Cinderfur (W) ~ For Approval
lol, another Cinderfur charart. That makes three of his images that I've worked on xD Comments? <span style="">05:16 Sun Oct 21

Poolcloud (W) - For Approval
Took this over. Tried to match the smudges as best as I could xD Comments and concerns? 17:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty~ Could you darken the shading on the haunch? 19:16, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Can you define the earpink a tiny bit? 21:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

The grey shouldn't go right down the leg, and the other front paw should be grey. Purdy. 23:17, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 22:23, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Stumpytail (A) - For Approval
Ew. I tried, though. Comments for improvement? 17:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't know how to put this, but can you make the tail a bit smooter? 22:02, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Volepaw (SC) (Ki) ~ For Approval
-flails- So hard to shade. Comments? 23:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I blurred the shading cause I hated it. 11:23, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading under the chin? 22:22, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt (Alt Ki) - For Approval
Comments? x3 03:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Define the shading. ^^ 10:55, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

And blur it too 15:20, October 22,2012 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I just re-did the shading. I don't think changes are showing. =) 22:07, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt (W) - Under Evaluation
Tried my best to match his warrior image. Comments? Bbun (talk) 21:08, October 22, 2012 (UTC)Bbun

Nice job~ Blue and smooth the shading, it's kinda blotchy. 21:11, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Dull the highlights. 21:12, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

First, darken him to gray. Second, rename this File:Cloudpelt.warrior.alt.png 21:13, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Uh..Silver? This is Cloudpelt's warrior image. He doesn't have one. He was never called a gray warrior. 21:47, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, he already has a warrior image, it was just removed from his page, though it wasn't deleted, due to a PC discussion like months ago. See this. 21:50, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

My bad, this is what I get for running on 2 hours of sleep. Shoonfail. Anyways, Bbun, do what Silver said. Sorry guys~  22:15, October 22, 2012 (UTC)