Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Break
Hey all ^^ I'll be taking a computer break for awhile due to some home issues. There's no direct time limit on how long I'll be gone, but hopefully not for a long time. So.. yeah. See you all soon. 01:45, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well, there goes my plans for world domination. Anyways, since you've informed us, we can't remove your name for inactivity, nor can we really decline your chararts. Hopefully you won't be gone that long! 02:52, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Meh, I'm actually going to rephrase. I'll pop in to add to discussions and update my chararts and such, but for a week or so I won't be super active. School is getting really tough in the next few weeks, so I need some time. I can't help but check in with this wiki, so yeah. xD 21:49, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze
Shouldn't she get a kittypet image? She was in a two-leg home for a little white. If she will get one, may I do it? I'll let someone else take over for Skyheart (A). 23:38, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that counts since I think it was just a tent, not actually a twoleg nest. I'm not quite sure of the instance, but I don't think it counts. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:41, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

From what I remember, I think the patrol had to go through a window. 23:44, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I remember them going through a window, so yes, it was a house, I think. 23:53, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think she should, because she was seen playing with a Twoleg and din't they have a collar on her? Even if it was for a short while, it was probably longer than Onewhisker being deputy. 01:23, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think she had a collar.... 12:22, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

She didn't have a collar. Senbonzakura  Dance of the Cherry Blossoms... 21:06, October 10, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Okie dokie, well, Birdpaw doesn't have a collar either '''. '''Egh Shadewing do something about your sig please... 00:34, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I was talking to a few people in the chat on here, and I was thinking that if a cat was in the house or truck (the book Dawn) the two legs would technically have custody of them. 20:42, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

To clarify, the cats she's talking about are Mistystar, Leafpool, Brightheart, Coal and Gorsetail. All of them were captured by the twolegs. Cloudtail, Sasha and Cody were as well, but they already have kittypet images. 20:45, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Cloud. How about we discuss this at the next PCA chat meeting? 12:10, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Most Masochistic Thing I Could Think Of...
Okay folks, I'm pretty sure this is okay to post here. I recently (as in a few minutes ago) had an idea for a new art project for myself, and it involves the members of this project. I'm doing a group drawing of all of the members together as cats. Anyone that wants to be in it, leave a message on my talk page, not here (I already have four messages about this). To make sure no one joins just to be in this shot, you must have joined the project before this post was made to be eligable for the picture. I hope to get a lot of members in this! Thanks. 02:31, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I was the first one to message ya. I can't wait for this, it's going to be so terribly awesome. 8D 02:38, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Aw, man tons of people beat me to it already x[ anyways it'll probably be beast, I know it 8P- 02:44, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

OMG this is gonna be wicked x) 11:33, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

One more note: please send me a message by the 17th. On that day I will start the drawing and will not add any more. 17:42, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, sounds great. ☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC) ☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:52, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is gonna be epic. Senbonzakura  Dance of the Cherry Blossoms... 21:04, October 10, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

For WW? 23:44, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Mintstarr, there's nothing wrong with that word. It's just fine. Stop whining. Seriously. It's just a damn word. Anyways, I can't wait for this. This is going to be awesome! 00:48, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if the following may contain sensitive words: Mintstarr, I don't think she was referring to it being s**ual gratification. Get your mind outta the gutter. It also refers to just getting happiness out of a huge workload. 00:53, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Epic! I love this idea!  Owl   X    G    l    itt    er   4LIFE..    The colors of fall 08:51, October 11, 2011 (UTC) I didn't know this Ivystripe, sorry. Cloudskye, please don't be that mad at me, but, sorry for bringing it up, didn't mean to and I realize I shouldn't have. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:15, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

It's ok Mintstarr, I just thought I'd clear it up. I forgive you. 20:46, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Supporters
Hi all. Do you think we should have supporters in this project? They wouldn't do chararts or comment on them, just talk in the discussions and such. And they would help figure out new and enforcing rules, think of new ideas, etc. 18:20, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Well, that's up to a person's discretion. They can be a member of the project but not do chararts, but if they want to do one later on, that'd be kind of unfair that they couldn't. Also, I do think anyone could come in and critique a piece but it's not to say that the artist can't just ignore their advice if they find it to be wrong. We also have a LOT of distinction between members anyway. 18:27, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I personally, would be a supporter xD I can do chararts but they would suck, majorly. I have to settle with using, yes, that lame little program called paint. So I think supporter's would be a good idea. Good one Snowey! S w  e  e  t  f  l  o  w  e  r    Calling all the monsters! 19:12, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dont think we nedd supporters; its a users choice how much they contribute. 19:15, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think you could make a userbox for it if you really wanted (just copy the coding of the other ones and change a few key things), but listing everybody who is a "supporter" would be tedious. <span style="">00:45 Tue Oct 11

I think we should just keep it the way it is. It doesn't really matter whether an apprentice creates art or not, as long as they contribute. Otherwise someone might be a supporter and then want to put up art, and not be able to. 17:11, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Warrior Status
The other leads were chatting, and we all kind of came to the conclusion and agreement that we need to eliminate one of the ways that people become warriors. We've decided that it doesnt matter how many chararts you have approved, you still need to go through the nomination process. Because right now the system isnt working, its like you get nominated and then half way through it you get your third charart apporved and its just a mix up. So ya thats a new thing. 19:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. Just 'cause you've gotten three images approved doesn't mean you're necessarily ready to be a warrior. <span style="">22:33 Mon Oct 10

As much as I hate to admit it XD You're right. This way it's fairer. 06:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is quite fair. I'm getting tired of seeing users ask to become warriors because they have the right amount of chararts. You should earn your warrior rank, just like warriors need to work to earn their senior warrior rank. 06:26, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask if an apprentice hasn't got 3 chararts approved but they have warrior qualities can they get nominated as a warrior. It's probally not likely but just asking. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 08:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being in this chat - any chats at all, actually, but I agree. 15:54, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. 15:57, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

That is what she is saying, Owl. The how many pixils you got approved rule has been thrown out the window, and you only get nominated if you show a warrior skill level, such as terrific charart and you are always critiquing others, helping them and such, and being active in discussions here about the project. 16:00, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Redoning Mulitple Image Characters
Okay this I'm looking for suggestions with. While the other leads and i were talking we also thought the idea that if you redo a characters image that has more than one image, you have to redo them all, in a row. Like how I did Morningflower, Ivystripe did Goldenflower, and Scarletwind did Brightheart. This would just be for tweak page, not the approval page if they get a new rank. Theres a bunch of stuff im missing but can't think of now, so thoughts? 19:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. It's very challenging to (for example) add stripes to an image without affecting the shading or pelt color. I tried, plenty of times, and it's quite hard. So, I agree with this xP 20:11, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Unless they are on the redoing list, right? <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:54, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nope even then. If its redone for any reason theyre all yours. 20:56, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds better than doing a separate image. One person has all the colors for each charart. 21:03, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good for the sake of consistency. <span style="">22:35 Mon Oct 10

So do we start this from now on, or if we redid a multiple-image character a long time ago, do we have to redo the rest of the characters'chararts? 22:42, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Awesomeee!I've been wanting to see Mallownose's kit image for a while XDD - 23:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm kind of 50/50 on this idea, because I was hoping to expand on more ranks of lineart, rather than doing the same linearts a lot. If we do this, that means I'd be doing Whitetail's warrior image too? 00:28, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, while we were talking, I actually brought that up. It's not as big of a deal if you don't, more for complicated pelts, but if she's on the list then we would like you too so we don't have tiffs over what is "complicated" and what is not. But if you don't want to do it/can't you can ask another user. (this is how I recall the convo but someone else who was there can call me out if it's wrong)  00:32, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is a good idea, and something I support. However, I won't be doing the apprentice version of Robinwing (RC), since it was a total fail. If someone wants to re-do it, they're more then welcome to. I messed up so badly on that, I don't know how it got re-approved. I'll be working on Creekfeather's image, right after I do Mousefang's warrior. =) 00:43, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think this probably shouldn't apply for solid-coloured cats, though. Just 'cause solid coloured cats aren't going to look terribly different as long as you colour-pick the colour from the original image. <span style="">05:06 Tue Oct 11

I want to get this clear - I'll be doing Brackenfur's image, maybe taking over Thornclaw's image, and then I'll finish Crookedstar's images and go back to Brackenfur and THornclaw, just so y'all don't -cusswordhere- at me. 15:55, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ok Icestorm, I'm fine with that but you'll have to see what the others think (I don't see why they'd be mad if you're gonna stick to that)  16:02, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Squirrelflight
Hi, I was just wondering about Squirrelflight's queen image. She was in the nursery and she was a queen in the allegiances. Wouldn't that be enough for her to get a queen image? I think it should be. Thanks. 12:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so but I am not sure. 'Cause we are only making queens if they were confirmed to have kits. I think it's like that. 12:26, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think the decline of your image is your answer. =( 16:01, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

She never had kits, nor was she seen nursing them. Ferncloud did all of that, since Squirrelflight's milk never came. So, no. She would not get a queen charart. 16:22, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Btw the queen blanks are pictures of pregnant she-cats. That's a pretty clear answer to all these old questions about Squirrelflight and Yellowfang and Leafpool. If the queen did not actually give birth to kits, she doesn't get a pregnant-cat queen Charart. It doesn't matter if she lied for the actual mother and nursed the kits. ''She has to have given birth to kits. ''Because it would be sort of weird if she was never pregnant and got a pregnant Charart, now wouldn't it?- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:Navyl">aka Rowantail 00:02, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Template Transparency
Hey, this is just something that's been bugging me and gave me a lot of trouble when I started making chararts here. That would be all of the white fill-in in the charart linearts. Would it be alright with everyone if I re-uploaded the linearts as completely transparent, with no white? That way working under the lineart would be a lot simpler for beginners that don't know much about GIMP or pixlr. 17:08, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

It might be easier, if someone knew how to to it. It's not mandatory for a user to "work under the lineart". I know for a fact that I don't. In fact, I like having the white on the lineart. It helps me, believe it or not. The lineart is often my bottom layer. I see no need to get rid of it, since half the users here probably have no idea what you're talking about. 17:12, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a good idea, but maybe not everyone likes doing it that way. I personally like using layers under my lineart, but if someone wants to work under the lineart, they could manually make it transparent. I don't think it's necessary to make it transparent. 17:22, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I tried doing something like that before and it woudn't let me upload over them. 17:23, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm I dont know how make transparent color in Gimp xD I using something other.. Leaf-storm,17:55,October 11,2011 (UTC)

When I used pixlr, the white never bothered me. I don't see a reason to get rid of it since many users use pixlr or some other thing. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

It would be a good idea, even though I've manually done it myself. It would be good for people who use layers, though it's not that hard to do it by yourself xD. So, I think we should leave the white, unless you're too lazy to CTRL-X it yourself. 01:47, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Also, while you're at it, you might want to fix all the blurred lineart (when I first saved the pixels, I noticed there was a lot of it and eventually I fixed all of it on my versions of the blanks) Of course if that's too much work, I can help :3 <span style="">03:21 Wed Oct 12

Something that needs to be addressed
Ok, I just recently found something on the chararats needing to be redone list. Now, I think I know who put this on there, but I refuse to name names, as that will do no good. The newly approved Lilystem's queen alt was listed to be remade. Now, why this bothers me is how come we couldn't have told Mistystar to make her pale while it was still on the approval page? I think we need to be a little more careful about things like this in the future. If anything is going to be approved while it's on CBA, please make sure it is perfect. I think it's a blow towards Mistystar and if it happened to me I would be upset. 18:04, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point Ivystripe. I mean, if i were in Mistystar's shows, oops, that was supposed to be shoes XD, i would not be happy when it gets approved then is all of a sudden put on the needing tweaking to be paler. I mean, why not just tell me earlier and save the trouble of it being re-done? Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  18:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. It was only approved, like, what? Not even four days ago? I checked the archive, and no one mentioned anything about it needing to be paler. If it was really that important, then someone should have spoken up. 18:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, if it was important than why ignore it? Making it paler isn't too hard, and doesn't need to be redone for that either. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:22, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be tweaked/redone at all. In fact, I'm going to remove it from the list, since the leads can do so if they wish. However, if another lead disagrees with me, feel free to add it back on. 20:25, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I actually spent a lot of time on Lilystem, and I took the base color off of Lilystem's regular image, so I really don't think it needs to be redone. 21:29, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, same with Rainflower's chararts. Rainflower's warrior charart is lighter than Rainflower's queen image (which got approved before Rainflower's warrior image). I'm not trying to offend anyone. 23:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the person didn't notice it whilst it was up? It probably doesn't need to be put on the redone list, though. Tweak list would be better as all one needs to do it run a dodge tool over the whole image. I think it does need to be tweaked to be lighter, though. (Yes, the person was me. Thank you for not naming names, Ivy, but I feel I should own up to my own actions :P) I actually didn't notice it while it was up, and for that I apologize, but I feel that the image should be lighter or at least as light as the original image. It doesn't make sense to me that an alternate for a pale tabby should be darker than the pale gray original. <span style="">03:30 Wed Oct 12

Alright, well, I didn't know if you wanted to tell them or not. I can understand that, but maybe you could have said something to Mistystar and she could have quickly lightened the whole image with the dodge tool. I'm not mad at you, it just kind of concerned me. 03:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

No I understand that. I just didn't notice what the alternate image was for when it was up, and I was looking at the random pages and I went "Oh well why is the pale tabby image darker than the original?". I should have mentioned it; I just didn't notice it. <span style="">03:47 Wed Oct 12

I was thinking...
I was thinking of having a page where only members of this project can show their styles of shading and using layers, and stuff like that, so every new member can see the styles and it will help them with shading. Not a tutorial, but something where everyone shows their styles of shading. Shading only, no markings, and stuff like a tutorial. 08:13, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't see a point. All you need to do is look at the main tutorial. 12:10, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I forgot to say something. To make a page where all members can share their styles, but maybe you're right, maybe it's a useless idea. 12:24, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

There's not really a point, but I do see where you're coming from. I know I get the basis of my style of shading from looking at Oblivion's Tutorial, and to be honest, I find it much easier then using the burn and dodge tools. 15:19, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Extra Tweaks
No, no one's in trouble this time, anyways ... but I was thinking, since there are so little chararts to finish, and more and more images getting added to the tweaking list... Maybe the ones who don't already have a main project, could possibly do two tweaked images instead of one, that way we could get more done at once, instead of just sitting here until The Forgotten Warrior and Beyond the Code come out. I expect this idea to get shot down, but hey, I can ask, can't I? After all, that's the whole idea of a wiki. 15:16, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea Cloudy. I am not one to shot down stuff quickly. The only time i do that is really when my friends have really stupid ideas they try to pull of though XD. Though any way, yea, this is a good idea. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  19:44, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Currently those users (including myself xP) are just sitting around and waiting on that one image. This will give them a chance to put more up during their wait. 20:04, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
I've had a good 11 months with PCA, but these past two months I've had to squeeze everything in to make sure I get what I need to get done for school, and that means I have no more time for the wiki. Bye guys. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:09, October 12, 2011 (UTC)