Forum:Leafpool's Child?

Note: This section may contain spoilers for The Sight and Dark River

A big rumor going around the warrior universe is that one of the three apprentices: Jaypaw, Hollypaw and Lionpaw, may be Leafpool and Crowfeather's kit. I made this topic to debate that rumor.

First the facts against the rumor itself (with possible rebutes):

1) Crowfeather and Leafpool would have to have mated almost on the same date as Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight. Rebute: Squirrelflight gave birth away from camp, it's possible Leafpool did too. here could have been a couple of days difference between the two.

2) Leafpool would not have been able to have kits without the clan finding out. Rebute: Yellowfang managed to do it. Why not Leafpool?

Facts FOR the rumor (with possible rebutes):

1) In the play After Sunset: We Need to Talk, Leafpool hints to Crowfeather that she has something important to tell him. And later she mentions that she hopes they don't regret not talking. Rebute: She could have just wanted to talk to him.

2) Squirrelflight never had any milk for her kits. This could mean that all three are Leafpool's. Rebute: Then why would it seem Squirrelflight was expecting? Did she eat a lot?

3) Squirrelflight and Leafpool act strange when Hollypaw becomes a medicine cat apprentice. Rebute: Leafpool might have not wanted her NIECE to make the same mistake as her. It doesn't mean that Hollypaw HAS to be her daughter.

4) Leafpool goes nuts when Hollypaw dissapears in Dark River even more then Squirrelflight.

Ideas on WHO Leafpool's child might be:

Jaypaw? No. If Jaypaw was Leafpool's child he would not be related to Tigerclaw at all. Yet, Tigerclaw wants Jaypaw to join him. Tigerclaw only has interest in his own kin.

Lionpaw? Maybe. Lionpaw has not been developed enough as a character to point one way or the other. One fact that could go either way is that he has amber eyes. Both Leafpool and Brambleclaw have amber eyes.

Hollypaw? A definite possibility. Hollypaw has a black coat, similar to Crowfeather's dark gray. When Hollypaw tried to become a medicine cat Leafpool and Squirrelflight acted strange. As if they didn't want Hollypaw to follow in Leafpool's footsteps and in turn make her 'mistake'.

Facts Interesting to the rumor:

Would anyone else know? Not Crowfeather, Leafpool never actually gets to speak to him in the play about anything. Would Brambleclaw be told? Or Firestar?

Aurorastar 19:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC) (Oops Forgot to sign)

Wow Aurorastar, this is a good essay! (Finally, someone puts a good topic up :)) I'd heard this topic a few times, but never really delved into it. I never thought it was true, but you've made me see it in a new light. Nice! Eulalia459678 ( Salaman dastron ) 18:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC) 21:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I, rather frankly, hate this topic wholesale simply becuase no-one has had anything new "evidence" wise since the play came out. But, you do get points for rebuting items that are held as fanon truths. On the whole, I'm going to stay out of this one. My strong dislike of Leafpools' treacherous nature means I suffer such a strong bias that I tend to stay out of these discussions...

And Eu... I have no idea what rock you've been hiding under... I've seen this gone over with a fine toothed comb more than once. It's possibly one of the most discussed theories in the entire series at the moment...

And what do you mean "finally" puts a good topic up? I believed my discussion about Graystripe was a good topic (I wouldn't have posted it otherwise!). You probobly didn't mean it to be offensive... But I am sort of offended... and I'm sure that Demon Wolf (who's topic on the Main Character shift is rather interesting).

Aurorastar, you might want to consider organizing this up a bit, sprucing and expanding it into a full length essay. If for no other reason that it will be interesting as a record of fandom thoughts once we have a true answer.

Kitsufox Fox's Den 21:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank's for the idea Kitsufox. I'll think about it.

About weather or not the rumor is true I personally think it is. The play is really the only evidence, which is the problem, but Vicky gives it a bi ol MAYBE. Which usually means it's possible. Aurorastar 18:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Iceheart(Riverclan Warrior) 10:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)Iceheart(Riverclan Warrior) Yea Well Leafpool could of just worried about Hollypaw when she went missing because she was somewhat close to Hollypaw(she was Leafpools former apprentice)and hollypaw was her sisters Daughter so why wouldnt she be worried?

Like I said near the top. It's a rumor. Those are facts that could support it and what you just said is why we can't assume that it's true. Aurorastar 20:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Mossyclaw I always thought that the story of Squirrelflight going out in the forest to have kits, and not having any milk for them was a cheesy cover-up. Nice analyzing the facts, Aurorastar! To be truthful, I think that it's Jaypaw. But it seems more unlikely now. -shrugs-

Well, Jaypaw was always a possibility to me but I just don't think it's so. His pelt is a little off according to his possible family tree (Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw) but I suppose it's always possible that a gray or black pelt managed to sneek it's way through. Jaypaw also has blue eyes, a far cry from green or amber, but then again most blind cats have blue eyes... As I said above I really don't think it's Jaypaw because Tigerstar approaches him, as he has now also approached Lionpaw in Dark River. And yet, no Hollypaw. If Tigerstar really wanted to control all of his kin you'd think Hollypaw would have been visited by now. She is an excellent fighter and she doesn't seem to like bringing in non-ThunderClan cats (ex: Millie). Those are qualities Tigerstar would probably like. Aurorastar 18:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Jaypaw has almost everything in common with Crowfeather. He has blue eyes, a dark pelt, and a bitter personality. These are all great points! I do believe that Jaypaw, Hollypaw, and Lionpaw are Leafpool's secret kits. Echosong

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