Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Redoing Images?
Okay, FEEL FREE to COMPLETELY disagree with me. But anyways, I'm starting not to like the rule, when someone redos an image, they have to do the rest of the character's images. I know it's a fine idea and all, but people sometimes don't follow that rule, and the images turns out fine. People actually don't follow that rule quite often. Besides, without the rule, it would give more warriors a chance to tweak an image. Bottom line, I'm not so happy with this rule, and there are so many rules in PCA. 01:13, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I might not be a warrior but when I am one, that is one rule we can do with out. I just want to tweak charart's so i know how to do those certain types of cats, like white's or tabbies or torties, and others. I don't want to have to follow taht because that limits the amout of charart's you can tweak and i find it unfair. Rain face &lt;3 01:16, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

To me, if you can copy the other artist's stripes or markings, you're fine. The user who has done the first image shouldn't have the act to focus on everything else. If you can copy, then do it, in my opinion. 01:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

How about asking permission from the person first before redoing an image that they were supposed to? (kinda like redoing an image & asking a lead) That way people wont bring the rule up when this occurs - 01:27, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I did that with Wildheart. I don't like this rule either, and we aren't exactly following it at the moment. Since it was created, we've violated it at least 10 times. 01:40, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I still like the idea, but maybe not make it so much a rule but more a basic good idea. So maybe, say that it's a good idea but not an actual rule. Other users would be given the chance to do characters that have been started by other users. i.e. Say I did Firestar's leader again but Stoneclaw decided to try his warrior. That'd be fine, but if the charart becomes to difficult, the other artist could be asked to do it since it only takes about 2-5 days to get approved. Thoughts? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:47, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can see what you guys mean, but, this is in place too to prevent a person from redoing an image then not doing the rest. Take me doing Goldenflower for example. I did a very complicated tabby pattern for her. Now, if I had just left it, maybe somebody else might do her queen. But they get frustrated because 1) they don't have her base colors and/or 2) It's too complicated for them to perfect. Also, I would have been kind of frustrated with someone doing one of her images because I knew exactly how her stripes were supposed to look on both sides of her, and that's something else to take into consideration. I'm not saying we have to stick to the rule, but I do rather like it. I do like the idea of it being a guideline, but fights could break out if, say, I did Goldenflower's warrior, then somebody did Goldenflower's kit, and I had wanted to do all of her images and there was nothing to say who was right. 01:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's idea. So (another example) lets say I for some reason re-did my first image, Skyheart, and all of the other images had to be redone. Someone could as me if I could do one of the other images, and I'd reply either yes or no. If no one ever asked me if I could do one of the other images, then I'd automatically do it. How's that? I am terrible at explaining things, so if that was difficult to comprehend then tell me. 02:43, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivystripe and Scarletwind. I think that the rule should stay, because the artist who did one rank knows the style and has the colors, but if someone askes if they can re-do the image, the one who was re-doing all the other images had to reply a yes or a no. If they say yes, and the one now doing the rank with permission finds it too difficult, the original artist doing all the ranks can take over. 05:32, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I like the idea of it being a rule, I think I like it being an idea. What do you guys think about this? 05:54, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think an idea is better than a rule. 05:31, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Scarletwind. 05:12, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's idea as well. 20:34, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Alts
In CoTC, Boulder is a blue-gray tabby, Onestar is a brown tabby with white stripes, Willowshine is a sliver or pale gray she cat, Echosong is a gray tabby with a white muzzle and chest, do these get alts? If yes may I do Boulder or Onestar? Also Leafpool was in a two leg den if Willowbreeze gets one, should Leafpool? 19:26, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Leafpool was in a den? Or was it in a garage or something like that. 20:54, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

They called the cages dens. ~Breezewhisker~ 21:00, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I knew that. I meant what type of structure the cages which the cats were in, were in. xD 21:07, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Echosong has the same description as her current charart. And with Boulder and Willowpaw, those are almost just the same descriptions. I would say that only Onestar gets one, in my opinion. (and possibly Leafpool) M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I believe Leafpool (and any other cat in the twoleg den/cages) should get one, but that's just my opinion. =3 02:13, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Leafpool should get one for kittypet I think. As well as, I think it was Brightheart, Cloudtail, Mistyfoot, and the other cats. 05:21, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

If Willowbreeze gets one, so do they^. 05:29, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, wait, wait. Leafpool, Mistystar, and company were put in cages. Now, I don't know the situation with Willowbreeze, but didn't she actually go into a Twoleg house? The Clan cats were in cages, not kept as pets, and they never went into an actual human house. That's like saying any cat who even went inside a building (I'm talking Ravenpaw, every cat who's ever been in his barn) should get one. Doesn't that sound just a little ridiculous? 05:38, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ravenpaw goes willingly, so that doesn't count. Mistystar and the others were taken against their will, and forced to live inside a twoleg truck. That's still considered a twoleg thing, therefore making them temporary kittypets. If you'd like, I'll explain my reasoning in the morning - I seem to have fallen a bit ill, and I can't gather my thoughts correctly. 05:41, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

So you're saying that because Ravenpaw went willingly, he doesn't get a kittypet. What about actual kittypets who are co-operative? I mean, you don't see Smudge trying to break out of his house. I still don't think we need all these unnecessary chararts. 05:44, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Clan cats who are taken unwillingly. The other kittypets like Smudge and Princess have nothing to do with this. They were forced to live the life of an unhappy kittypet (The Clan cats). If I remember correctly, they also had the chance to eat their food, too. Graystripe got a kittypet image, when in no way, shape or form did he consider himself a kittypet. 05:47, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

"A kittypet is the Clan cats' word for housecats, that Twolegs keep and care for.

Kittypets are looked after and pampered by Twolegs. They are plump and well-fed because Twolegs feed them several times daily with dry, tasteless pellets that look like rabbit droppings and soft slop, according to the Clan cats. They are soft-muscled and know very little about the arts of fighting and hunting (with notable exceptions). At a certain age, they are taken to be neutered or spayed by the veterinarian, who is otherwise known to the Clan cats as the Cutter. After this visit, they usually become lazy and have no desire to do much. {C}{C The life of a kittypet is scorned by Clan cats, and it is against the Warrior Code for a warrior to become a kittypet."

Does that sound like what happened to Leafpool, Mistystar, or even Willowbreeze? They certainly were not "pampered". As for Graystripe, if I remember correctly, he was actually taken care of by Twolegs. That being said, cats like Willowbreeze and even Leafstar should not have kittypet images. 05:53, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

But, the fact of the matter is they were taken. Against their will. If they're not with their Clan, then how are they considered Clan cats? Jeez, Mistystar even got a replacement. I told you I'd gather my reasonings in the morning, because right now, I'm pretty much useless. x.x;;

Sorry if I repeat anything that's been said already, I'm way too tired to read through this all, but first of all, I'm pretty sure if was like a trailer Leafpool and them were kept in. Second of all, Leafstar and Willowbreeze were taken, and actually kept as kittypets, whereas Leafpool and those cats were just captured in cages. So, no, I don't think Leafpool or any of those cats should get kittypet images, but I think Leafstar and Willowbreeze are fine. Just cause a cat's been in a house doesn't make them a kittypet. And I don't think Blouder should get an alt, it's probably just the lighting, but I think Onestar would, as he actually has a white muzzle, which is different from his description. As for Willowshine, that's pretty much her description already, she looks like a tabby to me. though the markings are faint, so I personally would say no, though others may disagree. And what's Echosong's description? I'm too tired (and lazy) to go look. :P I thought she WAS a gray tabby with white paws and muzzle? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:44, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not fully agreeing or disagreeing with the Leafpool thing. If we did make Leafpool and co. a kittypet charart, all these other cats would get kittypet chararts, and that would make a lot of work. But I'm almost sure that the clan cats said that Mistyfoot had been taken away by twolegs. Doesn't that meen that they were considered as kittypets at one stage?

As for the alts, I think Boulder might get one, since silver-gray and blue-gray are sort of different. Onestar should get an alt, and Willowshine might get one, only if it was pale gray. Echosong's description is the same as the cotc picture. 06:55, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

(DJ, you deleted my post. :P *had to copy it from the history and repost* Please be careful.) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  07:01, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

If I might add, Silverstream is also a silver tabby like Boulder and she got a blue-grey tabby alt for being shown as such in Cats of the Clans. ~Breezewhisker~ 21:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

(Sorry Paleclaw, My bad) 07:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Redoing images...
Hey, I know we have a rule that anyone that redoes an image has to redo all the images for that cat, but shouldn't it also be a rule that the user has to do the rest of the cat's images before redoing another cat's image? I mean, it wouldn't apply to just tweaking another cat's image, but to redo one image and then go to redo another cat's image means that one user can just quickly make it so that they have "dibs" on multiple cats when another user could be doing them. Personally, I think that makes the project run a bit slower as the extra images for that cat could be done rather quickly but just sit there waiting for the user that decided to redo one image and just moved on to another cat. Does anyone agree? 04:14, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

To clarify: basically, you'd have to redo all of the images for one cat before redoing another cat's. You could go tweak another image in you wanted, as tweaks don't require you to do every image on a page. 04:16, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I thought something similar. Yes, that makes sense and I like it. 04:24, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, cause someone could redo a lot of images, and have to redo all their ranks. 05:26, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I always found this rule silly to begin with. I mean, if you have to redo one image on a page whose two images already look different, it's not out of your ability to copy the other artist's style. Now, I know that if you can't do it you can't do it, but when Iceheart told me about this rule (because I had never had any indication about it before) I was completely baffled. Do we really think that our artists aren't good enough that they can't copy a charart? 05:41, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The rule is stupid, albight a bit useful. Personally, I don't want it around. Say if someone's going to re-do Cloudtail's images (Not going to happen, but just an example), I'll be the first to admit, I'll snag his kittypet image if possible. I adore it, and if I had the chance to work on it, I would. It seems certain people think that we're unable to mimic another style. >.>;; 05:44, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I hate this rule too. I mean, what if we had it where the people who make new images for characters (say, a new kit or something) make all the images for that character from there on in? That would just be plain silly, and honestly, I don't see this as very much different than that. I mean, I would probably (along with a few other probably) redo the rest of the images for a character, but making it a rules just seems a bit unneeded. I think we should get rid of it, and it seems a few other people agree with me. :P Though, MAYBE we could make it so if the image isn't on the redo list, the person has to do the rest, but not if it is on the redo list? Cause then, it wouldn't really be completely necessary for the image to be redone, so the artist would have to take responsibility for making the rest of the images match? Though, like I said, personally I think we should just get rid of the rule altogether. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:58, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you guys are right. The reason I thought of the little add on up there was because I think of the rule as flawed as well. Dunno what they were thinking, my first charart for the project was Shellheart's elder image, and I copied the deputy image just fine. I could do the same on the redos. 12:33, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

So, can we simply be shot of this rule and be allowed to redo images that need to be redone, regardless of who remade another image for the same cat? 02:52, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

If an image is redone completely, I say that the same artist should do all of the others (like I'm doing with Raggedstar). Sorry, but that's how I see it. 02:53, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Like, if they change the whole style completely, despite the other style being okay. Ie: the Crookedstar and Feathertail incidents... 02:54, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe I said this before, but let's say in the next book a new warrior is introduced. Now, what if said warrior leaves the Clans and becomes a loner, or becomes a leader, and elder, or even a queen? Would we have the same person do both images? No. That's like me saying I did Spiderstar's leader, so therefore I must do his loner. And don't say that this is different, because it is no way different. Redoing is the exact same thing as starting from scratch. I am against this rule. 04:06, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ya we get it you dont like it no need to get aggresivly boldened. I kinda thought that they all had to be done in a row was self-explainitory >.> Yes they do need to be done in a row, i guess i didnt make that clear enough. People always say this rule is around because of consistency and thats all good and fine but not why i wanted it. I wanted it because people would redo one image out of 5 and then never do the others. Then there would be the one different one for months and months and it looked stupid. Thats why i pushed for this rule to be in place. I dont care who does them as long as theyre done within a reasonable time of each other. 23:40, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

It was bolded so it would stand out, please don't be rude to me. As for someone never redoing the image, it would go smoother if we had different people doing a redo; it would be faster. Say the character has four images. Well, one person could do two, and someone else could do the other two, and then all four could be up at the same time. Then this "never doing the others" wouldn't happen. 19:57, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Could I join? I would like too! =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 04:35, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Umm no one replied to me!! ='( I'm I not allowed or something? Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan!  01:26, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Declined Chararts
Ive noticed a couple of people have a section on there page displaying their chararts that have been declined. Thats not supposed to be there, its a waste of image space. So please put the delete tags on them and remove them. Thank you, 20:45, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I removed mine. 02:05, November 20, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Instead of posting declined chararts, just say the name of it instead, that's what I will do. 04:02 Sun Nov 20

How can the image show if the delete tag is on it? Don't the leads put the delete tag on it after it's been declined? 05:47, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Cloudy Sun
In her description she is said to be a pale ginger she-cat. To me in her chararts she looks too red and dark to be a pale ginger cat. Shouldn't her color be more like Sandstorm's color? Because she's a ginger cat, doesn't she need stripes all over her body? 22:55, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Voting Now Open!
Voting for the first part of the charart contest is now open! Go here to submit your votes! 01:15, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Test Chararts
Hey, I've been noticing that a couple of apprentices have uploaded new files for test chararts that their mentors have asked for, such as this and this. I'm afraid this might cause some clutter in the images and it may get us in trouble for causing multiple uploads by users. I think this could be solved by apprentices simply uploading the images over their personals or e-mailing the images to their mentors. Any other solutions? 15:31, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should just stick with those two. Personally, I think the emailing is good, that's what I'm doing now, but for people who don't have email, yeah they could just upload it over their personal image. I don't see any need for anything else, but that's just me. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:52, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sol's Kittypet image
Was Sol ever shown in the comic to be wearing a collar? If not, his kittypet image should be tweaked to remove it. I'd add it to the list right now, but I don't have the comic on me to check. 21:51, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I just checked, and he doesn't have a collar. 21:17, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Project Hassle?
Well, i'm always hearing about too many leads, so I have an idea. I do realize this idea may not exacily help with the problem, but it'll help with keeping the amount of apprentices at minimum, and make it so there arn't 10 comming in daily.

What if we made a time for when users can post join requests? And so people arn't piling in one of the times they can post, we can only have a certain amount of people allowed to join on that day, like, here could be an example:


 * Join days: Tuesdays, Thursdays, Sundays; Join requests per day: 3 or 5 

Yea, so i'd just like some opinion on my random idea...Since I see tons of members, and 97.5% of them are apprentices.

Just a thought, and I hope ya'll consider it. :) . 21:53, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

That discludes people for a time period from the project. I just can't see that being fair to the users wanting to join. 22:05 Sun Nov 20

I don't see what the point of this is. Sure, we have a lot of apprentices, but what's wrong with that? 23:36, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I was just having a thought about the clutter of the project, that's all. . 23:44, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, having more apprentice can be a good thing. No effence Thistle. 23:45 Sun Nov 20

It makes it harder to figure out who the active and inactive apprentices are going to be, instead of having 30 or 40 inactive apprentices, and 9 or 13 that actually comment daily. . 02:40, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well they just cleared out the active apprentices and the inactives' before you joined I'm pretty sure. That's why some of them are requesting to re-join. 11:16 Mon Nov 21

Alts
I've got a few questions on alts.

First off, would Lionblaze get an alt (after the apprentice blanks are finished of course) for his CotC picture? He looks more speckled than a tabby, however he DOES have very clear strips on his head (tabby M) and the tip of his tail. Normally I wouldn't ask this, but since Silverstream seems to be getting an alt for only having one stripe, I figured I'd ask.

Second of all, if a ginger cat that's DESCRIBED as a tabby is shown as a solid cat in the manga (in black and white, not on the cover) would they get an alt? I know all ginger cats have stripes, but if the cat is specifically described as a tabby, then shown as a solid in black and white, meaning you can't tell for sure if it's ginger or not, I would think they would. Like for example, Sharpclaw is a ginger TABBY, but is shown as a solid cat in the manga, whearas Billystorm is just a ginger cat (never described in book as a tabby) and he's shown as a solid cat. I think Billystorm wouldn't get one, because in the Erin's eyes, Billystorm very well could be ginger, but Sharpclaw is described as a tabby, but shown solid, so shouldn't he get an alt? Same with Jaggedtooth.

Also, just one last question, why was Ashfur tweaked to look like his CotC picture, but all the others got alts for them? Sorry for the long post. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:44, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think if a ginger tabby cat is shown as a solid, then it should get an alt. I don't know why Ashfur got tweaked to look like the CotC picture, and I'm not sure about Lionblaze. 08:00, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Contest Theme Suggestion
This might be too early, but if we ever had another friendly charart contest, the theme could be making a scene from the books, using actual chararts on the Wiki (though depending on the situation in the scene, the poses might look weird xD). I just know this will be turned down, but I wanted to suggest it anyways. 18:43, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, that's my decision. ^^ I've already got a theme for the last part of the contest. Thanks for the suggestion, though! 18:48, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ohhh, you meant if there was another contest. Sorry. 18:51, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

And Shellheart, shouldn't the decision for the next contest theme be a group decision, and not completely yours? You may have created this contest, but we all agreed on it. We should all accept the new theme, and not just go along with it even if we do not like the theme ''at all. ''Just a thought. 20:31, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Splashy's right, Shelly. Just because it's your contest, doesn't mean it's all your own to decide the themes. Actually, I like Moon's suggestion, and maybe we could use that another time. 23:06, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain the new theme will be liked. If no one like sthe theme, I'll change it. 23:44, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Question
I have a question for tweaking. Are we aloud to withdraw one? I was just wondering. x3 M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:13, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Of course you can. Tweaking is just like working on a normal charart. 20:16, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Back :D
I am back early at WW and ready to make more chararts! :D 23:53, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back, Silvereye! 01:45, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back Silvereye! 08:03, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back! 17:16, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Hello, can I please re-join this project?

♪The purple moon has risen♫  Gobble gobble It's Thanksgiving!  16:47, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hello. When I looked at this page I saw that my name was not on the members list. I joined a few months ago but I haven't participated much. Have I been removed? Moonstorm88 19:14, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, inactivity causes a person to become removed. If you'll be active again we'll be happy to have you =)  19:19, November 22, 2011 (UTC)