Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Nettlesplash, Sandypaw, etc
so i'm here to bring up another topic, (yay) which is why exactly do nettlesplash and other such skyclan cats have kittypet images for? i'm aware they were taking food from a twoleg, but......they were still feral the entire time. they werent ever in a house (that i know of), never held for a time (graystripe, leafstar) and never renounced their loyalty to skyclan like...ever. its entirely possible for a cat to get twoleg food while still being feral; you can feed a stray cat for a time, but that doesnt make it a housecat immediately. that takes time and the skyclan cats were doing it for a reason i think? or they were just greedy. whichever, but basically im proposing we remove the kittypet affiliations, (and by extension the chararts, but thats not for here.) 15:08, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

No, they weren't taking it for a reason. They were willingly taking kittypet food instead of hunting for it themselves. They weren't staring, sick, or suffering. There wasn't a lack of prey, either. They were being sneaky and tbh due to their actions, were acting like kittypets by taking the food willingly without another motive behind it.

Yes, but they didn't live with Twolegs, and I think that's what is defined as a kittypet. The definition of kittypet is:

"A kittypet is the Clan cats' word for housecats, that Twolegs keep and care for."

The twolegs didnn't keep those guys. They just went for food, and they didn't live with htem. 18:19, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

But they also went more than once. If they'd gone once, then I would agree, but the fact that they went back, hid it from their Clanmates, and had plans to go back again had they not been caught by Leafstar and the others kinda makes me think they'd have just kept on doing it. Willingly taking food multiple times should count for something.

nah, theyre just ebing greedy. and sure they went back multiple times, but did we ever see any intention that they would have become kittypets, no. like ive said feeding stray cats doesnt make them housecats. 18:30, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Tbh I never understood why their images were there, and I agree with Skt - being greedy for pet food =/= kittypet 21:56, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I'm on the fence with this one. They kinda became kittypets but kinda didn't... 00:17, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Tbh they weren't kitty pets they just took food so 04:27, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

You guys also need to remember that some of these choices were made long before you even joined. The only ones around now who were around back then are people like me, Icy, Splook, David, and Roo. We had a discussion or something along those lines, so it's not like it was randomly added. Clan standard for a kittypet is not the same as PCA and PC's standard. Context implied they were acting as kittypets, by taking food willingly from a Twoleg and going back multiple times.

if they get it because they were 'acting' like kittypts ( i still dont agree) then why doesnt every cat whos ever pretended to be a rank theyre not get that image? it wouldnt matter their intent then, because if a different clan cat saw them then theyd think they were a kittypet or whatever. but moving on, they didnt leave the clan. thats my point. they didnt leave, they were still loyal, they werent kittypets. its just them being greedy, and it happens? it doesnt make them a sudden kittypet. calling them one is false, they ever even went in a house, werent even taken. SHRUG 10:51, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

you also might as well add hollowflight and whoever else it was to have kittypet images as well then, since they got kittypet food in MO. :/ 10:56, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Gotta agree with Trolly here. 16:56, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

ehhh I'm indifferent about this one. If they strictly came to the Twolegs for food only, then is that really being a kittypet, or just a mooch? If they just went for food, and food alone, that doesn't spell kittypet to me. That sounds more like "ehh I don't wanna hunt my own food so I'm gonna eat some kittypet food". On the other hand, I see where Cloudy is coming from. PC and PCA's standards are different from personal opinions and/or book description. If the project standard for a kittypet is "a cat who strayed from the loyalty of their birth Clan into a relationship with a Twoleg feeder or caretaker", then they were technically a kittypet. 22:39 Thu Oct 8

If that's the definition of a kittypet, then Nettlesplash and etc fits. 20:42, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments? 00:52, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

No, the "kittypet" definition is what was listed before: cats who are kept and cared for by Twolegs. True, Nettlesplash and the others were cared for, but they weren't kept. They are still not kittypets. 01:13, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

What's our definition of kittypets? That's probably the real issue. 02:15, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

Well in Secrets of the Clans the definition if "A domesticated pet cat". And on the kittypet article it's a house cat that Twolegs keep and care for. The SkyClan cats weren't kept by twolegs. So I still disagree. 20:29, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

if its saying that in the book then its really canon and the images should be removed? none of these cats are owned. 20:42, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

have we reached a conclusion? 02:50, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

If that's our definition than they are not kittypets. Simple as that. 02:15, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so we should change it? 17:03, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Mentioned Characters
I might have suggested this before or something. Anyway, the minor characters category is a bit overwhelmingly long since there is a lot of characters. I think it'll be a good idea to make a category for characters that are only mentioned, like Oatspeckle or Dappletail's Kit. Allegiances only characters, I guess because they are only well, mentioned on the allegiances. 05:31, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, agreed. Should we also make a supporting characters category? I can see some cats who would go on that - Cloud Spots, Dappled Pelt, Brindleface, Bright Stream, Frostfur, Goldenflower, Lightning Tail, etc... 01:12, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Don't we already have a supporting characters category? 02:18, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes we do. You can check what we have here. It also shows we have 840 minor characters... 02:48, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

"Mentioned Characters" would be a good category, but at the same time... We have way too many minor characters, and some of these are probably a bit more than minor, but not quite supporting and in no way major or main.

My bad. Then some of the minor characters should be moved to supporting characters. 18:40, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Do that then. I have no problems with those characters. 21:23, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Can we have more opinions on the mentioned characters category please? 02:16, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

will this be for characters that are mentioned only, or any cat thats been mentioned but doesnt appear in a book? because the category page would include virtually every single cat then, worse than the minor characters page. 18:06, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

have we reached a conclusion? 02:50, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

No, characters that are only mentioned, basically have never made an appearance in any books at all. Like Oatspeckle for example. 04:46, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments or are we gonna make this category? 02:15, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Alright. I'll make this category and put over characters that are only mentioned. Never appeared. That also includes allegiances-only characters, because they do not appear, are only mentioned in the allegiances. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thunder
Bringing up Thunder again, does he need a status as rogue? He never was a rogue - his entire life was spent as an early settler. 01:14, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Well he wasn't born as an Early Settler, he was born in the Twolegplace. That could be it, but that could more or so count as a rogue than anything else. 02:48, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Is he ever stated to be a rogue, though? Unless he's stated to be one, then I don't think he should be given that title. 11:05 Sat Oct 31

He was a kit when he was born in the twolegplace, he never grew up there. And no, while I was working on all of the DOTC summaries I never saw him once listed as a rogue. 14:26, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

i think its in sotc. and what about when he was with neither the moor cats nor clear skys cats? does that count or not. 18:38, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

When he was traveling to hsi new camp? No, he'd still be apart of thunder's camp. 18:39, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

how so though? his camp didn't exist then. 18:42, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

The camp wasn't settled, but the group was. It was too short in my opinion anyway. I think Thunder gets a rank for being born and living the first few days in the Twolegplace. His mother did leave Clear Sky's Camp and became either a rogue/loner again. 21:25, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

The cite isn't even from Dawn of the Clans, guys. It's from Secrets of the Clans. If we have a cite for it, no matter how wrong it's been proven, it kinda has to stay on the article... just like the incorrect mentors that we had with that book and Yellowfang's Secret.

It could go in the trivia. 01:45, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Secrets of the Clans doesn't directly say they are rogues. I'll quote: "These were not warrior cats. They lived in small groups, not yet Clans." That matches the description of the Early Settlers. That cite should be removed. I still think he was a rogue when he was a kit, but that would only affect the past allegiance, that's it. 02:27, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

quote from the blazing star: ''"I was born in the Twolegplace! My mother was a rogue, and I would've been one too, if Gray Wing hadn't taken me in." -Thunder, chapter 22. So basically he says he COULD'VE been one, but he wasn't. 01:26, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think he means he could've of grown up as a rogue. I mean, was he an Early Settler when he was born? His mother wasn't, she purposely left to have her kits. So really, he was a rogue, just for a few days. 03:09, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

No...he was a /kit/, not an early settler or a rogue. He said he would've been a rogue if Gray Wing hadn't taken him in. 03:42, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

So... Pine Needle and Drizzle never officially were part of Slash's Camp then? That's kinda what you're telling me. Rogue doesn't go under Thunder's names and he doesn't get a charart, but it will be listed as part of his past affie. That's what we do with kits. 03:09, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, but he was like a very tiny kit for honestly 2 days. It really isn't big enouhg to count in my opinion ... but if you think it's like that, go ahead. 22:26, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

He was technically born as a rogue, but since he wasn't six moons, it doesn't get counted. They're kits, simple. It's a universal rank/cite/ect that all characters under six moons get counted as. If the cite for him being a rogue that was in Secrets of the Clans is wrong, then remove it... although given that they often fought and shit, I'm willing to actually label that as what a rogue is- the Early Settlers did not exist during Secrets of the Clans. They were just groups of cats that lived together.

have we reached a conclusion? 05:11, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Most say he was never a rogue. His rogue affiliations and cahrat will be removed from his page. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Names Again
Hey I'm back. So in Mothflight's Vision, the names don't combine. For example, Lightning Tail doesn't become Lightningtail and Cloud Spots doesn't become Cloudspots. Can we change these articles now? I mean, sure, you could wait for a novella to explain this, but you should probably get confirmation we'll have one, or that their names /will/ change. hinthint i'm asking for one of you to ask kate hinthint But yes. Should we change the names or not? 23:00, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

Can I get some comment on this? 01:12, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

i think theyre fine to leave as is, its very possible they do combine their names later on. (not that cats know the alphabet or anything.) 18:04, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

We have evidence it does eventually combine so unless we have something that says otherwise, leave it. 21:50, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yes but they are known throughout the entire series as their separate names, and we only get confirmation that they're combined in at least one field guide where it is known to have lots of mistakes. I know that sounds like a really weak argument, but eh. 09:31, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'd be okay with renaming Lightningtail, Cloudspots, Pebbleheart, and Dapplepelt, if only for the sole fact that we have many more instances of them being called Cloud Spots, Pebble Heart, and Dappled Pelt, instead of the names we were given in Secrets of the Clans. I wouldn't be okay for renaming Mothflight, however, as she's also seen as Mothflight in Tallstar's Revenge, and that's a much more recent book. While Secrets of the Clans might be more recent in the timeline, we also should probably go with what's the most familiar; ie; Shadow being renamed to Tall Shadow, Graywing being renamed to Gray Wing, ect.

At the same time, asking Kate what happens with these names would also be appropriate, if only for the sole reason that we could use it for oranization and clarification...since it really isn't made clear enough if they ever do change their names.

Why would we rename Tall Shadow? She changed her name to Shadowstar in MFV. 16:19, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

have we reached a conclusion? 02:50, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Give other people a chance to comment- it's only been a few days. And idk if I told you, but I was using Tall Shadow as an example. Honestly, I'm still unclear as to exactly which pages you think we should move.

Lightningtail, Cloudspots, Pebbleheart, Owleyes, Dapplepelt, Cloudspots 12:27, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Well, we wouldn't re-name Owleyes/Owlstar because there was never any definite confirmation he and Owl Eyes were the same cat, right? 01:30, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

No, I still think Owleyes should be Owl Eyes ... 05:10, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

But Owlstar/Owleyes and Owl Eyes were never confirmed as the same cat. So I'm not really seeing why we would re-name Owleyes when we have no proof he was ever called Owl Eyes. 22:34, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

There's no cite whatsoever linking Owl Eyes (Turtle Tail's kit) and Owlstar (ThunderClan's second leader), so as far as that goes, the pages will need to stay as they are. As for the other pages, I'm not sure we should rename them at all- we have at least one cite that says their names were merged... at least with Gray Wing, the cite was considered invalid or flat out wrong, I think? We still don't know what happened and when/if they merged their names.

I still think asking Kate if they actually did merge their names is appropriate, or if this was an error and something forgotten about when Dawn of the Clans was being written. Given the controversy surrounding the canonicity of Secrets of the Clans, just moving the pages without consulting someone (like Kate, since she wrote Moth Flight's Vision and half of Dawn of the Clans..) wouldn't be in our best interests, imo. The field guide is still very much canon, so we shouldn't disregard it quite yet. I know that isn't what I said up there^, but I've done a bit more thinking since then and decided that I, personally, think we should get an answer from someone who wrote the books. (and this doesn't mean ask Vicky; she did not write Dawn of the Clans.)

I still think we should ask Kate. Their names have only been mentioned as merged once, and throughout the entire series they're descrbied with separated names. 17:02, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Unnamed kits
this has been bugging me for a while. when i look at some characters articles, the amount of 'unnamed kits' can get really confusing. would itt be a bad idea if in the kin section, unnamed kits is listed as something like 'Clear Sky and Storm's 2 kits', or 'such and such's 2nd litter' so that one is able to identify what kits they are? sorry if this is incoherent,, iits 5am. 16:08, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

mmmm i wouldnt think that would work. probably not because it would get too cluttery with that amount of wording instead of the two words 'unnamed kits'. 16:28, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

its not about length though. its about identifying whos who, and not everyone is able to recognise what kits they are purely off a page number, or eveen want to.

I don't think it would be clutter-y at all, honestly. It would be really nice to be able to distinguish which kits are which. I know I got totally confused on Clear Sky's page at first... and it would be much easier to tell who is who and make sure the cites are up-to-date and not doubled (like in the case of Gray Wing's kits; some of the cats related to him could still have the "unnamed kits" thing for he and Slate's)

Yeah perhaps like with Clear Sky's page: Bright Stream's Kits and Storm's Kits. Perhaps add there are two kits too. 20:44, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

yeah i think it should only be for multiple litters or such, and i think something like 'Clear Sky and Bright Stream's 2 kits' or 'Clear Sky and Bright Stream's two kits' would be ok. unnamed kits wpould be fine if its just a single litter and easy to tell who they are. 18:03, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore opinions? 02:07, November 24, 2015 (UTC)

Alright the majority agree to change unnamed Kits if it's confusing. I'll get that going on Skystar's page. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Snookthorn
Getting short and simple to the point. He never changed his name back to Snooky when he became a kittypet. His name should still be Snookthorn, and not Snooky. Should we change this? 09:30, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

He kinda did, considering he left the Clan. 20:54, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Yes but there's no proof he didnt' change his name back. 20:55, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should rename the page as Snookthorn, and have his kittypet after name be Unknown or something like that 21:11, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Winder's idea seems like a good one to me. I'd be in support of that. 04:23 Sat Nov 21

Not to nag, but has the decision for this been made? (I think his page should be renamed Snookthorn) 15:58, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Like what i meant above was like...Kittypet: Snooky, Unknown as his secondary name should not be known as we never hear anything else of him after 19:34, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I understood what you meant, and I agree that it sounds like the best idea :) I just brought it up because no one had commented on this for like a week, and I was wondering if people might have forgotten about it or something. 20:04, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

So have we come to a conclusion on this? 17:00, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Tutorial Page
I think we need a tutorial page, or at least something along those lines for new members. It's really annoying how many things and that are added to the page and that and a cite isn't added because the user just doesn't know how to add it. Their has been cases where the user has found a proper and official fact or family member but it's removed because they do not know how to make cites. It would be good to have a tutorial for other things too, like headers, how best to write an article, coding examples, etc. 06:06, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm in complete support of this. It'd lead to a lot less frustration for new users and experienced ones alike. We'd end up with a lot of less arguments over what information is added and cited, how to format pages, etc..

I'd love to offer a hand with the coding side of pages (how to cite especially). Coding is right down my alley. 04:22 Sat Nov 21

Yep, a tutorial page sounds like a good idea. We have one for PB so might as well have one for PC. 05:09, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments? 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Kittypet Blood?
In the trivia section of some of the character articles, they show the cats have kittypet blood. I'm not sure if this matters now since kittypet blood probably never exists; it all depends on what path the cat chooses. It appears to be an insult from Clan cats like Darkstripe or Tigerstar. And the daylight warriors are shown to live between the world of Twoleg and SkyClan. They don't really have kittypet blood or warrior blood. I believe "warrior blood", like Graystripe quoted in Into the Wild, refers to Clan blood, like for example, RiverClan blood or WindClan blood. What I'm trying to say here is that we've barely seen Clanborn cats become kittypets, only Pinestar. He made his choice to become a kittypet, it didn't have anything to do with his blood. Warriors born with "kittypet blood" are loyal to their Clans and never betray them or leave them. Should we perhaps get rid of the parts about the kittypet blood?

I don't think so, since being a kittypet is actually one of those controversial things in the series- if a character is noted to possibly be of kittypet decent (I think Leopardstar's trivia has something like that), then it's worth noting, especially in a series where being anything but full-Clan is frowned upon....and basically anyone who is half-Clan, whether it be another Clan or a loner, kittypet, or rogue, is actually considered lesser than their Clanmates in some instances... or, like, y'know, killed.

It's kinda a big thing for Clan cats, especially when it's never pointed out in the books it should be mentioned. 00:28, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments? 05:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Two topics from Warrior's Refuge
1. It's never exactly confirmed that Splash, Moss and her kits, and Husker became kittypets. It is highly suggested that they became kittypets, but it never directly says it: the Twolegs are petting the barn cats and Graystripe thinks, "I'm pretty sure I know what I'm looking at here. I'm looking at the barn cats' future. And it's a good one." (this is also the cite on their pages for why they're kittypets)...

2. Husker and Moss's kits (Pad, Little Mew, Birdy, Raindrop) genders aren't ever mentioned. However, in all of the mangas (i think) the females have eye lashes and the males don't. In Warrior's Refuge, Birdy and Raindrop have eyelashes, while Pad and Little Mew don't. Can the genders be assumed?

04:19, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

For number 2: But we don't have the cites or anything about that, the narrator specifically saying their genders, and maybe the manga accidently didn't put in the eyelashes by accident. We don't have enough proof, but Maple, you're right. Maybe they are males and females, but I wish we had more proof to put that in :/ 21:09, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Eyelashes are not indication of a gender. It doesn't matter what other cats are shown with- we do not use that as a valid citation, as at least one cat who was "shown with eyelashes" got a cite for being male. Also, Husker, Moss, and Splash were kittypets before becoming loners, so those cites would just need to be changed if it's deemed invalid. All three cats were living with Twolegs before the story began.

Okay, the second one makes sense, I strikethroughed it. For the first thing, I know that Husker, Splash, and Moss were all kittypets before being loners, but it says that their current affiliation is kittypet, their char arts are kittypet pictures, and because I guess the barn cats Splash and Moss aren't the only Splash and Moss in Warriors, they are named with the KP avreviation on the wiki. 23:13, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's obvious enough to say they become kittypets again, but then again Warriors wiki doesn't like assuming. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Tumblekit
tumblekit is called a tabby tom once in dawn, vs two times in twilight as a black she-kit. in my onion it should be changed, considering it's what we did for thistlepaw. 19:19, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

I wondering if it's an assumption the she-cat is Tumblekit. In Dawn Dawnflower has two kits (Tumblekit is one), but in Twilight she magically has Minnowkit, Pebblekit and a black she-kit. I think we cannot assume this is Tumblekit. They could have been older kits and became apprentices when the Clans settled and Dawnflower had more kits or something. 05:07, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think they're older kits, but I think you're right in it possibly not being tumblekit. she's never identified by name, only ever called a black she-kit. 11:35, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Apple Blossom ~ Silver Nomination
I haven't done any nominations for PC before, but I think she works for nominating... She only appears a few times so there's not much for summary or quotes though. Comments? 23:50, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Remember you can make three nominations at one time. You can check my user page under the tab goals to see what is available, as long as no one is working on it. Anyway, there is a good long quote you missed, where Apple Blossom insists she can find dry moss up the ravine. Can you get it? 05:16, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Erm, I'm not sure exactly where you are talking about, I added in a few more quotes, tell me if I got it... (I should have, since pretty much everything she's ever said is there now :P) 00:25, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 14:41, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Shivering Rose ~ Silver Nomination
Again, hardly apears, but I think I got all of her appearances... Added as many quotes as possible. Comments? 00:33, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 14:41, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

January FA
Don't you love this time of the month? FA for the new year. I know Ravenpaw's Farewell and Shadows of the Clans are coming out next month, so we could do a character related to that. As always, we can do something from the list. 07:22, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Barley? He needs his MFV section finished but he literally appaers for 2 pages so I think I can get that done. 14:42, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Go do that. I think Barley's article is well written and his way overdue for a gold status. 04:23, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Barley's article is very much one of quality, and I'm surprised he hasn't already been awarded gold...I'm in support of having him as the FA. 10:10 Tue Dec 8

Slate
Does this cite actually prove that Slate is in StarClan? It honestly seems more like a "what would happen if she joined StarClan" sort of thing (based on the wording with "would" and stuff) rather than a confirmation that this was did happen, that Slate died and now resided in StarClan, at least to me. I don't really know, it might be proof, I just wanted to bring it up. 01:04, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm almost positive that there's another cite that confirms that one- I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. imo, it seems good enough for me, but it should have been discussed before removing it.

Yeah It's not really a confirmation. The cite for Dark Forest cats too, she says they would make cool Dark Forest cats. That does not say they are Dark Forest cats. I don't even think One Eye believes in Spirit-cats, so they're breaking their own rules of "cats outside of the Clans will not go to StarClan or the Dark Forest if they do not believe in StarClan." Or in this case, Spirit-cats. 04:14, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Stealth, it doesn't matter. Kate gave a very clear "yes" to the Dark Forest comment, so we need to keep that.

Disambiguation Templates
ah since I'm tired I'm just gonna get straight to the point : okay so, this might seem nitpicky, but every single article that is disambiguation has a different ... outline than the rest. for example, one might have Firestar, an apprentice of ThunderClan?

or

Firestar, a ThunderClan apprentice who is the son of soandso who appears in the books and later becomes Firestar?

so sorry if this is nitpicky and annoying, but I do think it needs to be addressed. should we have a disambiguation template that we follow? or just keep them as they are? 14:40, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

It's not nitpicky? tbh I wouldn't mind a base template... but at the same time, I really don't think the family is necessary, unless it's the only identifier we have? It doesn't make a lick of sense (to me) to have the family members mentioned and it just takes up way too much space sometimes...

Just go with what identifies them best. 23:00, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Snail Shell ~ Silver Nomination
He doesn't appear much either, but I think I got all of his appeararnces/mentionings. Comments? 21:21, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Clover (AFD)
Two things I wanted to bring up about her:

1) Shouldn't Clover (AFD) be renamed to Clover (DTC) or Clover (ES) or something like that? She appears in many more books that just A Forest Divided.

2) In the disambiguation page for Clover it says for her,

Clover, the daughter of Milkweed, and a young kit who lives in Thunder's group in the Dawn of the Clans arc?

She is definitely not a young kit anymore, and she lives in ThunderClan now, not Thunder's group if I'm correct.

17:21, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

That hasn't been updated yet. Sometimes things are missed is all. If you see something like that, don't be afraid to update it. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Ages
I don't know if this is already being worked on, but the ages for many cats are incorrect. Dew Nose and Eagle Feather certainly are not 1.5 moons old, nor is Dust Muzzle 6 moons. Some cats, like Acorn Fur or Silver Stripe and her siblings don't have any age listed at all. Just thought I should bring it up 17:30, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

Bubbling Stream ~ Silver Nomination
So cute. Comments? 07:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

can you like combine some of the sentences? a lot of them are very short and it makes it harder to read. 18:12, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Updated 21:46, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Spider Paw ~ Silver Nomination
His sister next. Comments? 07:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

willow tail and frog
were these two ever confirmed to be the same cats as the ones in the first battle? or am I missing something here? 18:07, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure they were. It seems like they are the same cat, considering their descriptions and names match. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Nine lives box?
I just had this idea. Since the information for nine lives is at the bottom, how about we move it up so people will see it more often? It could become part of the character boxes for leaders, if that's possible. I don't know anything about box coding so I could be speaking nonsense. XD Still, I think it'll be a great idea.

That's honestly not necessary. If people want to look for it, they can look for it, it's there it's on their page. It's not like it's invisible. Even though it is hard to spot, no one will over look it if they're specifically looking for that 21:42, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's good enough where it is. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Blue Whisker ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Oh sheesh I was working on her. Oh well. I'll do Honey Pelt. Can you detail the history a bit more? I have a version very similar to Bubbling Stream's and Spider Paw's, I don't mind leaving it to you if you want. 02:06, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Never mind. I just wrote her history a while ago so I thought I'd nominate her as well. I'll leave this to you.

Oh thankyou! :) I'll take over. 03:32, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Updated 03:58, December 8, 2015 (UTC)