Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Longhaired apprentice blanks
I know if they change, it will result in many being redone, but i think the longhaired apprentice blanks have a stumpy-like-tail. and they just seem weird that way. 15:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

They kind of do, but we have too many long-haired apprentices to just re-do the tail. Personally, both the long-haired apprentice and warrior's tails are weird (they need fur lines at the end), but it'd be a lot to change. 15:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Frankly I don't like any of the apprentice blanks, as the tails and front legs are awkwardly thin and long (no offense to whoever made them!). But to redo every apprentice on the site... it would be quite a feat. Maybe it can be something we can do when there are no new chararts to do, like after the end of the Fourth Apprentice series and before the start of Dawn of Clans. For now, though, there are more important things to focus on. 15:46, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hello i would like to be on the PCA again i will bw more active or at least as active as i can be.Acornfur 16:00, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

That's true, Shellheart. That would definitely give us something to do. The apprentice blank's tails have bothered me for as long as I've been on this wiki. 16:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes but thats an unbelievable amount of work. I agree that they look off, (Personall i like the loner blank even less) but its not worth the work. 16:49, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shellheart, we should try and redo them (and MAYBE, just maybe, the rogues too) between the series. I always thought the apprentice blacks could use some tweaking, but that WOULD take a lot of work. We're probably not gonna really have anything to do between the series though, so we should take the spare time to accomplish big tasks that would be too hard normally. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

So I'm not the only one who thinks the short haired apprentices look bald. If we were to do this, it would create a lot of work. I say we do what Paleclaw said and do it in between series. ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 20:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Should this become a forum like the queen one? F i r e s t a r !  20:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this should turn into a debate. If we redo the blanks, we'd have to redo many chararts, and add much more to the tweak list. That means the Tweak Page would be loaded. And besides, what would we do to tweak this? Make the tail longer? It's been fine as long as PCA started, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. 22:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)If

If we do end up doing that, it wouldn't come to a vote now, as this is an astronomical overtaking, and is best saved for another time. 03:06, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Especially after we've gotten all of the WindClan and RiverClan cats to their correct pelt lengths. 15:56, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Goldenflower
Would she have stripes, because she's ginger? And...I don't believe this was clarified before, but, would ALL ginger cats, any shade, even a light ginger, would have stripes? 01:01, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

I would think so, if it's light ginger it's still ginger. That means Mousefang would get stripes too... and a few others to add to the list. 01:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Good point Ice. I was thinking that a while ago but forgot about it. 11:15, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Probably, good point Icey. 20:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

After I do Skywatcher, I wouldn't mind tweaking Goldenflower myself. But yeah any kind of ginger cat should get stripes. 21:04, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

So it's agreed? 16:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

If it's ginger, it's agreed. 17:02, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thistlepaw (P3) (Alt. Ki)
It was said on his page that he was mentoined as a she-cat as a kit. Should we have an Alternative charart for that? Rain face &lt;3 23:21, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, we don't do alts for gender change only 23:23, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, i was just wondering. Rain face &lt;3 23:25, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

That's quite alright to ask questions, as we always have answers =)  23:27, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rippletail
Rippletail's apprentice image(s) need to be redone to be long-haired. 16:51, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

So put it on the Tweaking List. We don't need sections to be cluttered up just telling us what we need to tweak or re-do. 16:53, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

LOL let's try this again
May I please join the PCA? And I've removed Ivyheart's art from my page hehehe... Leafwing 17:07, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Of course you can, Leafwing :) I'll add you in now. Please check out the guidelines and tutorials for extra help. Welcome to PCA =D 17:10, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks... 19:06, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Announcement
Just in case anyone didn't notice, this announcement concerns the recent vote to change the Queen rule. The recent vote was ended at midnight, and the vote to change the rule passed. The rule now states that: 'A queen is defined by the project to be any cat to either be seen pregnant/nursing a kit/kits or a cat mentioned as having done so in the past. 'Thanks to everyone that voted and participated in the discussion. 19:33, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Glad the rule is changed. 20:30, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

That's a good stated rule. :) 21:56, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad I was able to do this for the project and had so much support. Now I think I'll settle down and be happy as a warrior here making chararts, at least until something else comes up that I think needs attention. ;) 22:03, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

No hard feelings to anyone, Atelda. ^^ 22:26, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * shrug* I still stand by my vote, but majority rules. 22:04, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

@Atelda: Agreed. Our side was never going to win, though. My doubts formed when I saw that the section I added my vote to had, what, 11? And the other side with votes had like 21.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 03:13, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

@Kittycat79 22. I made the last vote on the change side. ^.^  ~Regifloat222  Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 13:16, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I never agreed with the other side, but at least it was a fair vote *shrug* So does that mean that any cat mentioned as a cat's mother gets a queen pixil then? 23:39, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. But the only two cats I could see that didn't get a charart because of the old rule were Yellowfang and Leafpool. The rule was never followed otherwise. 23:43, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Of course not, Shelly. @ Kitty, I doubted our side was going to win too, but I did want to state my opinion on the fact. :) 00:28, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Blanks Announcement
Listen up, PCA. We are planning to redo the apprentice and MCA blanks. Iceheart will be providing the lineart and it will be posted right after The Last Hope is released in April. Until then, no one should take an apprentice or an MCA blank. The ones up for approval can stay until approved, but no more are to be added. Once the blank is approved, all the apprentice chararts will be redone in the approval section so everyone can have a shot at one. If a new apprentice or MCA blank is found for approval, it will be declined. Me, Iceheart, Cloudy, and Ivystripe have agreed all on this. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

whoa, so we're really gonna do this? Seems really extreme to me, alright awesome! Cant wait to see the blanks x) -- 01:15, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

So exciting! x3  M  i  s  t  y  p  e b  b  l  e   01:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Knowing Iceheart, the blanks will be beast! x) Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 01:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! It'll give us something to do until new books come out, at least. And the old blanks just look awkward and anatomically incorrect. Their shoulders are backwards, for crying out loud... 02:24, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is great! :) I agree; the current apprentice blanks don't look right. Especially the tail on the longhaired one. It's practically a ball of fluff! And the legs are too long and thin, the shoulders are backwards...yeah. So we're going to tweak the apprentice blanks, not redo them?- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 08:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think it would depend upon the charart. That's not for me to decide though, senior warrior or not. 08:38, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, looking back in the archives, I notice that the original blanks were put up for approval, just as a charart would be. Shouldn't the new blanks be put up for approval so we can critique them and make sure they are to everyone's liking? 17:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why not. It would make a lot of sense. We did that a few months ago with the prey hunter blanks, so this wouldn't be any different. 17:34, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Should I remove all of the apprentices in need of tweaking or makeovers since they're gonna be remade anyway? I can go ahead and save you guys the trouble of removing them if you'd like me too =) 19:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why not move them to another section of the page? We could add all the apprentice file names there, because there's bound to be one or two that will be missed. 19:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ya know, that's a good idea as well. But we should put in the section to not reserve any of them until the new blanks have been made. If it is agreed I will add the section and add as many apprentices as I can. 19:25, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I've no problem with it. I'll help you out as well. Since I don't have much of a life right now, I can fish though each article and find ones that have been missed. 19:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so we don't edit conflict I'll let you know when I've got the section done. 19:29, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Finally! The apprentice blanks have been bugging me for a while. 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh, Cloudy, Ivystripe, you can just use these two pages, in lieu of hunting all the images down yourselves. 20:05, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Duh. I forgot about those pages. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a few images missing. I'll still go through and look anyways. Double-checking never hurt anyone. 20:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking Rules
Okay so me and the other leads were chatting it up and came up with some rules that have to be followed when tweaking images. If you dont, the image is instantly declined. (These dont include things i the redoing section, those can just be redone)


 * An image should only be redone if and only if the image is too hard to work with, and either the leader or deputy says you can redo it
 * Don't just add an image to the redone list and then immediately post the image. Give the leads a chance to remove it if they disagree.
 * No major tweaking that they arent listed for either. Like if they had bad shading dont redo the stripes or anything else so that every other pixel then needs to be tweaked to.
 * And if it needs to be redone as longhair/shorthair, try not to change the pelt style too much.

And there it is. 02:17, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair! (Was this decided when chat wasn't working for me?) 02:18, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that images that have been redone when they only needed tweaking so far will be reverted? 02:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

No. This is from here on out. There would be no point in reverting images that have already been approved. 02:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a fair rule. Geez, so many rules are changing these days! :P 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

What if you have to redo the shading, but there are no other pixels? You know, just that one? It'd be easier to redo it altogether, and there's no worries about redoing other pixels. 19:52, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yellowfang's face
I think I can tweak Yellowfang's face to have a more flattened muzzle in her chararts. If you look, you'll see that Persian muzzles barely stick out an inch. I just want to check to see if anyone else thinks I should. I think Cloudskye's done a great job with the muzzles, but it just needs to look more Persian than just cat with short snout. 16:11, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I remember having difficaulties upon the placement of the herbs and such, but you can pull it off :) 18:34, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Good luck. Also, I didn't start that whole thing off with the muzzle. It was Rainwhisper. =) 18:36, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I was the one who found out she had Persian ancestry from Vicky herself. Well it was a lot more flattened before the image was re-tweaked again, I don't know if you meant that or not. 19:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ivy, I meant who MOVED it...or wait. Was that your idea too? I can't remember. 19:12, October 3, 2011 (UTC)