Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Mousefang (W) - Withdrawn
Shading fail. Anyways, Here's Mousefang. I redid the shading, but I don't think I like the pattern. Might choose another pattern for this one. Anyways, comments? 05:18, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Oh! And I believe the original artist was Shaf Girl :) 05:20, July 13, 2011 (UTC) All I can say is define the shading alittle and make the earpink fill in the ear correctly-- The eye is misshapen, blur shading on the chest, thicken shading on the haunch a tad, make the earpink proper, and I'm pretty sure you're supposed to shade/highlight the tail the other way.-Kittycat79 Kitties Rule!  06:05, July 13, 2011 (UTC)< Plus, the erpink looks a little missapen at the bottom, and the chest shading needs to go on the chin as well. The eye color is too neon.  14:02, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Define the earpink, and blur teh shading on the chest.  16:49, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could, darkened eye, fixed eye, darkened earpink, lightened shading at some parts, fixed tail shading, added chin shading, fixed anglement of the earpink...and... yeah. xD 17:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Define the earpink a bit more. :P 19:29, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Blur the shading. 23:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Changes were showing, but not anymore. It stopped showing the changed before those two past comments, but it wouldn't let me edit xD 00:03, July 14, 2011 (UTC) Alright, changes are showing again. Sorry I was at the beach all day, re-comments? 01:57, July 15, 2011 (UTC) The shading is blotchy. Would you like me to help as I did with Whitewing, or can you do it? Mintstar This time for Africa! 02:05, July 15, 2011 (UTC) Blur the shading on her neck. Looks great otherwise~ Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject. 19:37, July 15, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could. Mintstar: I'm sorry that you're doing all this for me ^^' You don't have to blur it though, but thanks anyways :D Getting a new computer soon, it will be great starting from scratch.. 19:09, July 16, 2011 (UTC) Looks great, just blue the earpink a tad more~ Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject. 20:41, July 16, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. Thanks :D 00:54, July 17, 2011 (UTC) Ear pink still looks kinda crooked -- Re-uploaded. 03:21, July 18, 2011 (UTC) Darken the neck shading under the ear and the stomach shading where the haunch meets the upper body, close to the back. 03:22, July 18, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. 18:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC) Blur the neck shading. 21:53, July 18, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. 17:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC) I think the shading looks a little too concentrated, if you know what I mean. Maybe it's just me ♔Sunspirit♔Back in... uh, yellow? 07:56, July 20, 2011 (UTC) I'll fix it. Just letting everyone know that the changes are no longer showing. 16:00, July 21, 2011 (UTC) The shading is blotchy, and I don't think blurring it will help. Try redoing it? Mintstar I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 22:48, July 21, 2011 (UTC) I'm working on this, just trying to do it all on GIMP. GIMP is new to me so it might take a day or so. It'll be up by tomorrow. Sorry. 17:24, July 23, 2011 (UTC) ">Alright, Re-uploaded. I know the shading needs to be blurred some, but here is my GIMP version ^^' Never to use Pixlr again...hopefully :3 Thanks to Frostheart who gave me her GIMP tutoiral on Teamviewer...lol. 18:26, July 23, 2011 (UTC) Add/darken shading on the haunch. Lovely! Snowdazzle¹²³Lets count numbers! 18:32, July 23, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. I'll fix that little strange line next reupload. Do you think I should darken the legs? :P And thanks Snowdazzle :D  01:20, July 24, 2011 (UTC)  Blur the ear-pink, highlights and shading, lighten the higlights and they're are pink blots in the background, I'm not sure if you'd notice it, so I made a picture. Also, shorten the neck shading. ♔Sunspirit♔Back in... uh, yellow? 11:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC) The highlights are fine. I'm proud of you Splashpelt XD, but do redden the earpink, and I know it's hard to find the right color for the ear on these colored cats. Mintstar I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC) Blur the highlights with the shading more. 16:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC) Pull the earpink down- so that the bottom most tip of the earpink is a little bit closer to the bottom most tip of the ear itself. Also blur the shading and highlights more. Sorry, forgot to sign above. Salcie 21:04, July 25, 2011 (UTC) Erase the waste around the charart (e.g. above the ear, beside the muzzle, under the tail, etc) 14:12, July 26, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. I hate this image so much. Rainwhisper helped me out some because I've worked so hard on the shading xP 15:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC) The original artist was Bramble. Now, this might sound stupid, but I think the colour is all wrong now. She looks more ginger than sandy brown... might I suggest going back to the original approved version (before previous Tweak Weeks) and editing that one to improve the shading, whilst keeping the gorgeous colour the original image had? Just my two cents. 21:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC) The image at the top of this section is half-covered in a light, yellowish mist thing. It looks weird, and the yellow mist lightens the lineart to a grayish-yellow in some places.-Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC) I'm sorry guys, but I've fiddled with this too much. I can never make it look suitable no matter how much time I put into this. I'm withdrawing this for now, someone else is free to take over. Sorry D: 01:15, July 31, 2011 (UTC) May I take over? I'm not doing any chararts, currently. 01:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC) That's fine, Misty. Go right ahead. Redden the ear-pink, define and darken the shading on the the top of the shoulders, and add highlights to the fronts of the forelegs and drag the shading towards the backs, if that makes any sense xP ♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 03:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Okay, but I think I'll just re-do it. xD 09:48, August 3, 2011 (UTC) Re-Uploaded. Comments? 18:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Darken, or desaturate the earpink, looks a bit...vivid. Nice work. (hope no one minds me deleting the extra coding) 01:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Looks great ^.^ Fix the miscolored lineart on the head and eye :3 Also, move the earpink up some. 01:33, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Blur the highlights 01:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Since this is being worked on, the heading should be changed ^^; The earpink is a bit neon as well. 03:28, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Delete the white section left to the haunch and right to the leg closest to us. It isn't transparent. Also, The face highlight is coming into her face, so it is blurring the lineart all around it. May I suggest getting the warrior lineart and deleting the all the white inside it and then copying it over the image? Sorry if that was confusing. Make the earpink smaller and move it further up the ear. ♔Sunspirit♔Back in... uh, yellow? 10:08, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Thistleclaw (W) - Tweaked(Redone)==

﻿ Yuck. The mottles look messy to me, and I didn't want to overblur them. I couldn't work with the original image, so I made a new one. He needed mottles and his original artist was Bramble, I believe. Mintstar I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 19:12, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the mottle closest to his face. XD Make them smaller and smudge them into his pelt to give them a furry texture. Make his spiky fur outside the lineart, if you know what I mean. Erase the lineart and add spikes of fur then close it together? HAWKFIRE98 19:27, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, mottles are supposed to be smaller than that. It's a bunch of little spots of darker and lighter color. Also, I was just about the suggest the spiky fur outside the lineart xD But if you need an example, you could check out Kinkfur's warrior charart. 19:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the mottles a little, at least. If you're worried about messing up his fur, then add the two details on separate layers to they don't affect eachother. 00:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you need to make the fur look more spiky and sticky-out. Dovey Newbie! 20:17, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I got the lineart from Kinkfur's(credit to who made that.) Mintstar I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 19:42, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should make the base pelt color mottled, and then add darker mottled patches like his description says. Also, why is the tail like a brown-gray color? Make it the same color as his pelt. Oh and blur the mottles a lot. 20:20, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, I think this looks more bushy than spiky. Maybe have all of the fur sticking out face the same direction? You may have to do some lineart editing, but it would help. Also, keep the original spikes that were on his sides, otherwise he looks flat. 20:22, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Someone else can work on it, I'm taking over Mistystar. And the spiky fur is fine as it is. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I'll take over ;3 So uh Reuploaded And before you tell me to change it to a .png, I can't because my computer doesn't let me upload .png files :P 15:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Add some more mottles. :3 The white face is a bit too dark, so brighten that up. 15:51, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Thanks for taking my suggestion. :D I think it looks much better now. 17:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Change the file name to Thistleclaw.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 17:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Shellheart, I've said this before; I can't make it a .png because my computer won't upload it. 23:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">You want me to re-upload it for you under the proper file name? 14:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I reuploaded it under the .png filename, but the changes aren't showing... They should eventually, because when you upload a different one, the file changes show. So, give it some time to catch up. for crying out loud, this image thing gives me a headache. Anyways, second one down has the right image.>.> 14:12, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Still not working. Sorry, Nightflower. =( 14:39, July 27, 2011 (UTC) ::I give up. I'll just set it back to the other one. Maybe someone else can get it to work...  15:06, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Lighten the muzzle/face part. ;3 -- 16:04, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">He needs White shoulders(Gosh, it may look weird....)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The ear pink is blotchy and it's to light. Maybe darken it? 00:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Add some fur sticking out towards the bottom of his tail. 02:24, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I fixed Thistleclaw's page so it's showing your work. :3 All I can say it there's a line of gray going through the ear pink that needs to be fixed. 15:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - I'm not sure how to do the white shoulders, so can anyone shed some light on how to? x3 23:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">For the white shoulders, I'd either add in a really pale gray or brighten it with the doge tool. Same with the face. There's a spike on the underside of the tail that looks a bit clumped rather than spiky, could you fix that too so it looks like the others? This is looking good. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 03:00, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It looks like there is one little smudge in the ear, or a gray line. 16:40, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">That's the way she does earpink ;3 Looks great Nighty, I would say thicken the spiked lineart on the right side of the tail, towards the tip ;3 20:21, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Looks great. Just brighten the highlights 19:15, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Mothflight (MC) - Redone
<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Originally by either Icethroat21 or Bramble. The shading needed to be blurred and the earpink needed to be fixed. I ended up just pretty much redoing the whole thing. I wanted to get this, and Pinefur up before Tweak Week was over, but I actually won't be able to work on it at all this week. I'm going camping. So please don't decline this or Pinefur, I'll be back by next monday. Maybe even this saturday. ♥ Paleclaw <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">May StarClan be with you ♥ 00:31, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">This looks good, but maybe you should lightne the shading just a little. 13:55, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I agree, the shading is way too strong. Also, add a light part to the ear furthest away. 02:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Darken the area between her haunches and front legs. And the shading is a little darker than it should be. Fawngaze 20:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - I'm back! Changes aren't showing yet. ♥ Paleclaw <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">May StarClan be with you ♥ 02:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Blur the shading a bit more on the shoulder and haunch. Maybe add a highlight to the fronts of her forelegs? This is looking good! <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 14:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Technically the 24 hours were finished before you made that comment. And plus I don't have access to the computer with the .xcf file right now (it has a virus). Do I really have to do that? If yes, Ok. I'll find some way to do it with the .png file. ♥ Paleclaw <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">May StarClan be with you ♥ 18:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - Nevermind, my mom managed to fix my computer! ^^ ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:38, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Lighten her up a bit, right now she's gray rather than white. Darkhallows Enter the cave? 00:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - She's almost pure white now. I can't lighten her much more. I'd lighten the shading, but if I do you can't really see it then. So this is probably as light as it will be able to get. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 18:03, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (W) - Redone
<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Meh, Froon convinced me to get off my lazy butt and do a charart :] This charart was originally supposed to be tweaked, but I was having issues with the shading, so I just redid it :P 02:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Redden the earpink a bit more ;3 First Foxleap, and now Russetfur... We think alike cuz' ;D 03:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Change the file name to Russetfur.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 03:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - Meh, the changes aren't showing xP Oh, and I can't make it a .png because my computer won't let me upload it if it's a .png. 03:58, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">And FYI, the changes don't show when I first put the picture there for me too, but they appear after you publish it. Odd. Lol. 04:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I think you're meant to say who did the charart before it was tweaked? I believe it was Dawnleaf :D. This is really pretty. Lighten the earpink though and there is a garbage around the top of the tail, a brown pixel I think :3 This is good Nighty! ♔Sunspirit♔<sub style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: sub; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Back in... uh, yellow? 08:07, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Reuploaded - Earpink looks really blotchy; I'll fix it in the next upload. 23:44, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">You should continue the stripes into the face, so it looks more natural instead of just the body and tail. 13:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I honestly think that this looks amazing with or without stripes in the face. ;) But I think the ear pink could be blurred a little more; it seems to straight on the bottom edge to me. 21:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (D) - Redone
<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Russetfur's deputy charart. She needed stripes, so I redid her overall. Original artist was Echomist. Anyways, comments? 01:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Changes aren't showing...but who knows about these things xD 01:59, July 27, 2011 (UTC) (re-uploaded the image :3)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Darken the shading and make the stripes more like her other image. :3 02:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Re-uploaded. 02:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Changes won't show >.< (Edit: I renamed the file, I got it to show :3) 02:28, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Make her look more dark ginger, she looks brown. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 03:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Mintclaw, I thought the same thing when I first looked at the pic. It's pretty, though. I haven't even figured out how to work with Adobe Illustrator or Adobe Photoshop.

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Re-uploaded. Changes may or may not be showing, but the changed one is darker all together xD And to who ever signed above, remember to sign with four ~'s and refrain from repeating comments ;3 20:40, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It still needs to be a little more ginger, because the stripes appear brown. But I could be wrong, after all I'm still an apprentice. 22:47, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Re-uploaded. Ivystripe, it doesn't matter if you were an apprentice or not, you were right xD 01:47, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Blur the shading a ton. Looks good either way. =) 22:10, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Echomist...oh god, I miss her. Um, blur the shading more as Skye stated, make the stripes more...gingerish xD, and blur the ear pink. 00:29, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">You and Nightflower will have to converse, as the pelt markings don't look the same. One of you guys are gonna have to tweak the stripes. 20:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Re-uploaded. I redid the color all together. I'll talk to Nightflower on skype, we'll both upload our images together, probably on Teamviewer or something. 01:01, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Since my image hasn't had any comments for three days, and Nightflower still has comments to take care of, should she copy my stripe pattern? Sorry if I have to make Nightflower redo her beautiful image, but I haven't had any comments. If Nightflower refuses to redo her's, I'll try to make my pattern exactly like her's. 18:54, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Is the stripes on Russetfur (D) the same as Russetfur (W)? 19:16, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">No, that's the thing. Should Nightflower copy my stripes, or me copy hers? My point is written out in my previous comment :P 01:35, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd say you should talk it over with her and see what she wants to do. 23:35, August 5, 2011 (UTC) ==Starlingpaw (A) - Tweaked==

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<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The original artist was myself. It has been requested that he needs tabby stripes. I've also blended the shading more thoroughly as it wasn't brilliant. 11:49, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Maybe blur the shading just a little bit more? :3 12:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I can't see the tabby stripes, darken them a bit more. 13:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Beautiful! Lakewillow 22 16:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)Lakewillow 22


 * Finally the changes are showing up. Silvereye, I'm not sure I can blur the shading any more withou blurring the stripes, but I'll give it a go. Icestorm, can you see them now that the file has updated, or do they still need to be darker? I'm trying to find a middle ground between having the stripes and making sure they're not too dark as he is a ginger cat rather than a ginger tabby as such. Just let me know. 22:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC) :Yes, I can see him. Good job! You might want to darkent he shading a bit more.  23:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC) ::Reuploaded  07:15, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Add a little shading to the left ear -- 07:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The left ear is highlighted due to the direction of the light source coming from the left hand side of the image. There is shading to the right of the image, and highlights along the back and back of the ear. For this reason, the right ear is not highlighted as it would not fall directly into the light, where as the back of the ears would, hence the left ear is highlighted rather than shaded. Hope that makes sense (: 07:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Define the stripes on his tail (if possible, since the tail is skinny.) Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 15:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded 21:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC) :Fix the lineart on his chest.  21:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC) ::I can't see where it's broken, and quite honestly need to sleep right now as it's nearly midnight. I'll be gone for a week, so if someone would like to fix whichever pixel my tired eyes can't spot, that would be much appreciated. Alternatively, just point it out a little more specifically and I can fix it when I return. Sorry.  22:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC) :::I checked, and the lineart is fine. Unless you're seeing something I'm not, which may be possible.  05:17, August 2, 2011 (UTC) ==Thistleclaw (A) - Redone==

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0.4em 0px 0.5em; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Original artist was Sandstar12/Goldenpaw. He had to be mottled and given spiky fur- basically he had to match his description. The changes aren't showing yet. 16:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The shading is good, but you might want to blur/ smooth out the lines/spikes that you put in the main fur. Salcie 20:19, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Your seeing the version that was before the one I made, so if you go to his file page and look at the second image in the image history you'll see what he's supposed to look like. x3 21:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Add some more shading to the spiked part of the fur on the body (yes, I'm looking at your newest version...nice!) 22:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Mkay the changes are showing now. ;3 I didn't add spiky fur to his body, only to the lineart. There's mottled on the body though. 23:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Give him white shoulders, like it is in his descpitoion. Maple♥pool<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;"><sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 19:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:45, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The white shoulder looks weird from a side-view...I think you should remove it, and just put a dab of white on the shoulder. 21:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Well it is in his desc...but I agree it looks WERID.....Maple♥pool<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;"><sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 21:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Maybe blend the white a bit more so it looks less shocking? 23:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I agree about just bledning the white in more. I also think you should dark the leg closest to us since he's sitting and therefore keeping it in the shade. Fawngaze 20:19, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Oh woops, forgot to say '''Reuploaded. '''I don't think the changes are showing yet though xP. 01:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Lighten the gray a bit or smooth the transition from gray to white, it looks a bit sharp. Define the ear-pink and brighten it a tad. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 04:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">'''Reuploaded. '''But Scarletwind I don't think the changes were showing when you commented, so I didn't blend it anymore. If you saw the changes though, then just tell me. 18:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Inside the white patch on his shoulder, there looks like there's a patch of really saturated white. Can you blur that? It just looks a bit unnatural. Otherwise, this looks beautiful. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 02:57, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:04, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I think that the transition from the shoulder highlight to the front leg could be smoother. But this looks superb! :) 21:28, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">I think you might be talking about the white patch on his shoulder. It's supposed to be like that. :3 01:20, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

<p style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 1em 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">It didn't say JUST his shoulders were white right? It'd look more..... realistic I guess if the white was like this. That's just my opinion though, you don't HAVE to make it like that. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:26, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar (E) - Tweaked
I pray that none of you ever have to add torn ears to elders. Scarletwind was the original artist and I just added torn ears. 15:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! I don't see anything wrong with this, really, but I'll wait for more comments before approving this. 15:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Could you thicken the lines on the ears so they're the same depth as the other lines? Unless they're supposed to be a little thinner. 21:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I tried that, but it looked really... Just bad. ._. 00:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste where you edited the ears. 00:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Can you make them look a little more natural? Sorry...but they seem...too pointy. *waits to be shot by Moonflight* 15:40, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Elder ears are mean to me anyway. xD 23:31, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

re-uploaded. 16:57, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Stonefur (Ki) - Redone
Redone as longhair. Original artist was Sandstar12. Comments? 01:31, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Make it more blue-gray, and define the earpink. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 02:05, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, I can barely see it. Darkhallows <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Enter the cave? 07:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Also thicken it. 14:01, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Dunno if it's showing, the darker one is the revised version. 00:24, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Contrast the shading and highlights more and make the shading thicker around the edges. :) 21:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mousefur (W) ~ Tweaked
23:28, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink and thicken and blur the shading. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 23:33, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded ~ woops xD 00:11, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I like this. Darken the ear pink a bit moer and also blur the shading a bit more. 15:02, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Original artist?? What needed to be tweaked? Make the ear pink more triangular x) --

I know I put it up, hmmm *muses* Anyways it was Bramble and Sandy, and the shading needed to be fixed. 03:01, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, Atelda, this is beautiful! ;) But there's a thin sliver on the chest that looks out of place. Could you fix it? 21:35, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded ~ Thanks, ok I blurred shading as much as I could, thin sliver of silver gone, and earpink darkened. ;) 00:17, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, can you lighten the ear pink OR the shading? I'm having some trouble seeing the ear pink... 05:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Remove the color in between the front and hind legs. 23:30, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded ~ Over shoot it with the earpink xD and completly oblivious. 00:39, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar (W) - Tweaked
Added torn ears. Original artist was moi~ ;3 Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 02:28, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The changes still aren't showing, maybe try to re-upload it again. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 17:03, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

They're showing now :3 Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 17:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely. Redden the ear-pink and darken the shading. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 17:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I have this reserved... and you don't. But you can have it. Just please, reserve things next time. 21:50, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry 3:. I didn't check the reservations table... Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 22:04, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blackstar (D)~ Tweaked
Needed black ears. Oringinal artist was Bramble. All i changed/will change is the farthest ear. 15:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC) Shading looks blotchy(Spelling?) Maple♥pool<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;"><sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 16:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

As i stated directly above this, only changing the ear. 16:16, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re-upload it again to get the changes to show up. It worked for Brokenstar's. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 17:14, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

You pretty much have to change. It's called constructive criticism. This wasn't just posted to change the ears, you're supposed to change the shading too. If you aren't gonna change anything, why did you even upload it and put it on the talk? 14:16, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Both of his ears need to be black/darker, not one. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 15:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Mintclaw. Also, I thought he had black lined ears. Othe than that, it's okay. Moonstream 03:59, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- This is how the rogue charart is, and if i put black around the other ear it just looks like blurred lineart. And the rogue isnt being tweaked, so they need to match. 16:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Then the rogue needs to be tweaked next time, because the description says both ears are darker. I was able to make it look natural (leader image) so it's not too hard. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 17:05, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

To me, the ear looks pure black and I can't see the lineart, but then again I have difficulty with black cats in the first place, so if you can see it then I'm sorry and disregard my comment. 03:34, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't look like lineart to me. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:40, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

On the thing, it says 'Blackstar's deputy image needs black EARS' so can you mae the other ear black? Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:54, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Clovertail (Q)~ Tweaked
Needed darker shading, original artist was Ashshadow. 16:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 00:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded- 16:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the tail and blur the highlight ont he stomach. 19:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded- 16:21, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Bluestar (D) - Tweaked
Original artist was Mumble785, and she needed to be darkend, white muzzle removed, and the earpink was inconsistent. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 00:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Too much contrast between the highlights and the shading.. x( make them blend into eachother more and blurr it -- 01:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- The earpink was bugging me. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 15:37, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Now give the tail more highlight -- 17:19, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

The tail highlight looks fine to me, and that was past 24 hours. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 19:45, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Mistyfoot (D) ~ Redone
Original artist was Sandstar12. Comments? <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 02:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading tons. The earpink needs to be smaller. The shading also needs to be thinner. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 02:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

And rename this 'Mistystar.deputy', so it replaces the original image. 03:24, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Blur the ear pink. 14:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC) There's some waste around the head. 16:08, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading or redo it, it's very blotchy. 18:43, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

It's so odd... Whenever I try to re-upload over the old Misystar Deputy file, it gives me a permission error and doesn't work. So, that's why I haven't updated this yet. Has this happened to anyone else or does it only happen to this file? <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 00:09, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Icestorm has also told me that she can't upload over her deputy file, so for now, I'm going to withdraw this until we can get these problems figured out. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 19:49, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Mistystar's working with to try and get this to work. So, I take that back. xP ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 21:19, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * : Uploading over Mistystar's deputy file still isn't working so, I'm going to keep uploading over the old Mistyfoot file for now. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 13:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC) : Have you blurred the shading on 100% with the biggest brush you could? That usually blurs it very well. (sorry if I'm telling you something you already know ^^; ) 03:39, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

==Birchfall (W) ~ Tweaked==

The original artist was SparrowWing. I just added/darkened shading. 03:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

The ear-pink is to like....dark neon....Maple♥pool<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;"><sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:20, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Also, it looks kind of sloppy on the haunch. Good job. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:59, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 00:17, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading. Could you change the eye pixel? It's too much of a dark orange, make it brighter. 18:42, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the muzzle doesn't look blurred at all, so that could be fixed. Otherwise it looks good! 02:29, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading, Rainy. Looks good otherwise! 05:39, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 13:36, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Triangularize the ear pink. If that's not a real word, then it is now. :) 23:28, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

The paws need to be blurred more and there are some ouh spots around the lineart. Darkhallows Enter the cave? 01:13, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Clawface (R) - Tweaked
Original artist was Shaf Girl, and he needed scars. I blurred the shading too. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 15:04, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten and blurt he shading. Something's wrong with the lineart, it's too thick or it's blurred, you might want to fix that. 15:06, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I redid the shading. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 16:07, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Better. I see nothing wrong with it. 17:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste above the back, and one pixel below the feet. 18:49, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- If there's waste above the tail, changes aren't showing. Sorry I didn't withdraw this, I didn't expect anyone to comment on one of my other images after 24 hours. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 15:09, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the scars ever so slightly. Try setting the blur tool on, like, ten percent and do it. Although, I don't think you have to do this, since it's been 24 hours. =) 05:38, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. No problem, but I don't see why this hasn't been archived yet. ;) Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 17:07, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Leads are probably busy. And thanks, Mintstarr, it looks much better! Now they don't stand out at much! 17:39, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Running Horse (E) - Tweaked
Alright, original artist was Ashshadow, added graying muzzle, and it said he had scant fur, so I added scant fur :3. Comments? Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 15:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

>Nice job. Brighten the brown. 15:27, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by brighten it? He's a dark brown tom. this is dark brown. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 15:52, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bring the graying fur on the top his the muzzle too and darken it a tad. Also, I know the tweaking says nothing about this, but define the ear-pink too. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 16:46, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but it's like....reddish brown. So brighten it a bit. 17:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't brighten it without getting frustrated with how pink it looked, so I redid it. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 18:31, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

He looks like he's bleeding. D: Try going with a more fleshy tone. 18:56, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

The shading and the lineart is all messed up now. It still needs to be lightened a tad more. 19:51, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the patches need to be lightened. Since it says he has scant fur, what you could do was pake him a fleshy color, then add random parts of pelt color on to the skin and blur it in, that way it would look like his fur was thinning. It's just a thought. If not, you'd have to add more fleshy patches to his fur. 01:34, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

^ Ivy, that actually sounds like an interesting idea :). I think I'll try making him a fleshy color and then add patches of fur onto him. Hopefully my serverly-dwindled art skills won't make it look like he needs to wear a bag on his head...;-;. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 02:20, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, so, I attempted to try what Ivy suggested. I can change it back to normal if desired, but I'm diggin how this looks right now :3. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin. 02:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as too blured and smudged? Because it looks a little....odd. Other than that darken ths shading a bit 16:00, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think you forgot the link, I linked it for you! Moonstream 04:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ok the blue is where there is something coming out of the picture, and the green is where some pixls are colored differntly. Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 17:36, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Copperpaw (A) - Tweaked (Redone)
The original artist was Sandstar12 and then tweaked by GroceryBag. I added stripes, and added more shading because it wasn't too visible. I don't know if this would be considered tweaked or redone, because I did this all on the original image, but it looks kind of like it was redone. xD So, comments? 20:00, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Amazing job, Roo. I see nothing wrong with it, really. 21:39, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

lighten the shading on the top haunch (Sorta on the back) -- 23:34, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Distinguish the stripes on the legs. 15:29, August 3, 2011 (UTC) ==Jayfeather (MCA) ~ Redone== Here he is. Jayfeather's mca redone. Changes aren't showing up yet. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 04:11, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Make the stripes thinner, like on his MC image, and then blur them his tailtip is a darker color than his stripes. Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 15:19, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 22:21, August 4, 2011 (UTC) There's some stray lines hanging out around the base of his tail. Erase them.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 04:12, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 04:38, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Blur the highlights on the haunch Wildfire<sup style="color: gray;">Hazelx <sup style="color: brown;">Thorn! 16:09, August 5, 2011 (UTC) There's still some waste by his tail. 21:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Blur the shading and the stripes. Also, the stripes get lost in the shading. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:00, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Make it more like his kit + apprentice + medicine cat blanks. The stripes look nothing like the stripes on his other images. 15:02, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Mothwing (MC) - Tweaked== ﻿ I think I've got mottles down now. The original artist was Hiddensun, and it needed mottles. I think they mostly got lost in the stripes. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 16:03, August 4, 2011 (UTC) I don't see shading. Is this how the image is supposed to be? 05:34, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded- I don't really like this. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 17:09, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Can you add more mottles/stripes? Other than, looking good! ❋Snowpuff❃You make me feel... 21:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC) It doesn't really need any more mottles, I just think she needs a defineable stripe on her face and a larger one on her tail. 21:24, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded. I hadn't realized that I left one of the dapples unblurred. These are dapples, not mottles, sorry for the mistake. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC) The stripes are really awkward. I hate to say this, but I honestly think they need to be redone. Darkhallows Enter the cave? 01:22, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Could you explain what you mean by "awkward?" Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:42, August 6, 2011 (UTC) I second your opinion, Darkhallows. I think she meant they were awkward because they went at different angles and there isn't enough, they look really weird and non-realistic. 15:00, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Antpelt (W) - Tweaked== ﻿ Original artist was Bramble and it needed thicker shading and scars. If there's waste above the tail, changes aren't showing. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 16:41, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Lighten up the shading, please. It's too dark. 05:33, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Define the scars -- 05:42, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Make the earpink a bit more triangular. 20:17, August 5, 2011 (UTC) The scars would look more natural if they were done with the pen tool and slightly blurred into the pelt. 21:40, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded- I thinned them out and reddened them. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:44, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Hawkheart (W) - Tweaked (Redone)== This was originally supposed to be tweaked, but having problems with the shading and not turning out to look like his MC image, I re-did it. 17:41, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Define the shading and tone down the ear pink -- 05:43, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-Uploaded: Re-did the shading (looked too dark if I defined it) and toned down the ear-pink. 21:22, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Is he supposed to have black paws? Or is it just me not being able to tell? If it is black, I think it needs to be lightened a little. 21:37, August 5, 2011 (UTC) They ain't black. xD 23:39, August 5, 2011 (UTC) ==Raggedstar (W) ~ Tweaked== Original artist was Hollytail. It needed thicker, darker shading. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 23:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC) Define the shading tons and make ear pink bigger -- 05:44, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Define the stripes, too. And there's a few stray pixels between the back and tail, and behind the tail. 15:08, August 5, 2011 (UTC) ==Stick (R) ~ Tweaked== Needed a torn ear. Original artist is Icethroat21. 02:17, August 5, 2011 (UTC) :I see a stray pixel that looks gray on the corner of his ear.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 04:11, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. Pixel has been killed. XD 04:18, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Thicken the shading. 21:11, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Not my problem. Icey, you should know that. I only needed to add a torn ear... 21:13, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Hm, alright. It looks ready, but I'll wait a couple hours for comments before it gets approved. 21:15, August 5, 2011 (UTC) I know you said it only needed torn ears, but the shading needs to be blurred more. It...bothers me. 03:41, August 6, 2011 (UTC) *facepalm* You happy now? *grumbles* re-uploaded. 04:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC) I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make you upset. I was only trying to be helpful :( 04:36, August 6, 2011 (UTC) No worries. Lack of sleep makes Cloudy grumpy. Sorry if I seemed rude.  04:38, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Yellowfang (MC) ~ Tweaked==  Needed torn ears. Original artist is Sandy.  02:18, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Make the tears look more natural aaaand maybe thin out the outline a bit - 05:46, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Both ears? Well, okay. I'll get to it in the morning. Thanks. I thought they looked a little weird. XD  05:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Give her a flat muzzle(THAT is will be hard, with the herbs...) Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:28, August 5, 2011 (UTC) The shorten muzzle isnt that hard. Just move the muzzle lineart three or four pixels into teh face using the float tool. Copy the lineart for the ears from the warrior image.  16:34, August 5, 2011 (UTC) The float tool? The ears, you should make it more of a V-shape, kinda like Tigerstar. 23:40, August 5, 2011 (UTC) I'll fix the ears, but Iceheart, could you explain what the float tool is? Can I do that in GIMP? 23:52, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-uploaded. I tried. Looks like crap though. 04:29, August 6, 2011 (UTC) This is good, but it looks really awkward with the rest of the body. Darken the earpink as well. ♔Sunspirit♔Back in... uh, yellow? 10:11, August 6, 2011 (UTC) I knew someone was going to say that. The ear pink is directly off of the warrior image. =P 17:16, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Honeyfern (W) - Tweaked (Redone)== I absouletly hate this. It's so...ugly. I know I was only supposed to add dapples, but I went and tweaked the entire image, darkening the shading, fixing up the ear pink, and re-doing the stripes. It looks as if it was re-done. Er...comments? 02:54, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Lighten the dapples a tad, make them larger, and have them over-lap and blur together under the stripes. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 04:33, August 5, 2011 (UTC) If her images are going to be redone completely instead of tweaked, can they be darkened? She's a LIGHT BROWN she-cat, not a cream-ish-tawny cat. I've always thought her images needed to be darkened. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:16, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Make the dapples bigger, and have them blend together more smootherly. Right now she looks flecked :) Ginger<sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(255, 97, 3);"> Heat wave <sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(77, 189, 51);"> + Power outage <sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(29, 124, 242);"> = Unhappy Ginger  11:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Make it more pale brown, look at Leafpool's image prehaps?, make the dapples paler, or lighten them, lighten the shading on her side, See if you can do it on her first image? And give her like litgher and darker dapples maybe? Thats is how my friend's cat has her dapples. The stripes are to dark, lighten those a tad, and lighten the shading on her legs a bit. etss see how it looks afterwards. Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:25, August 5, 2011 (UTC) (Did you reupload it?....) Blur the darker dapples, and other that, very nice ;) Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 15:01, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-Uploaded: Yeah, sorry I didn't tell you guys :/ Needed to go somewhere. I blurred the darker dapples, and I forgot to state this but the original artist was Icethroat. 21:10, August 5, 2011 (UTC) I'm not sure if I'm out of line saying this, but the blue of her eyes look a little neon, so maybe could you darken it a little? Her description doesn't say she has pale blue eyes, but then again you're the artist. I do really like this. 21:34, August 5, 2011 (UTC) It's not, Ivystripe. :) And the lighter dapples look... odd. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:03, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Re-Uploaded: Thank you, Ivystripe :) Mintstar: I darkened the dapples a bit, does it look better? I also darkened the eye a bit. 23:14, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Yes, it looks better now, not so speckled. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:46, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Thanks! 14:58, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Yellowfang (MCA)~ Tweaked== I added a torn ear, and shortened the muzzle. I cant shorten it any more without removing the whiskers. Comments? Original artist was Scaletwind. 16:32, August5, 2011 (UTC) Lighten the shading, it's way too dark. I know you it isn't your problem, but you still should. Make the nicked ear lineart thicker, and if possible make it deeper. 21:29, August 5, 2011 (UTC) Blur the jagged shading into her pelt more so it will look more natural. 21:31, August 5, 2011 (UTC) ==Snowtuft (W) - Tweaked== ﻿Bluestar and Clawface should be archived, since both have gone 24 hours without comments, so I posted this. Original artist was Insaneular and it needed a "snaking" scar. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 00:19, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Maybe darken the scar a bit and add shading to it. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 01:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Is it possible to start the scar after the ear-pink stops? 01:17, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Make the scar a darker.lighter color, it looks like something went wrong with the ear-pink...O.o Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 01:45, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Just define it where it enters into the earpink somehow, unless it's the wrong color I don't necessarily think you'd need to change the whole color of the scar. 03:45, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Darken the earpink, Define the scar and make it look more natural. At the moment it looks like the the scar is connected to the earpink ^.^; ♔Sunspirit♔Back in... uh, yellow? 10:02, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Maybe spot some very pale gray around the edges of the scar to make it look aged? idk. ♌The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens♌ 14:37, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded- I smudged the earpink and didn't make the scar go all the way into the earpink. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Hm. Does it ever say it goes into his inner ear? Cause I reckon you could make it curve up the neck behind the ear.I'm hungry, Phil. FEED ME! 16:41, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Brokenstar (Ki) - Tweaked== original artist was Willowheart. I just tore the ears Darkhallows Enter the cave? 04:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Make the scars a little deeper on both. Just to match the others. 04:16, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Wait...why does a KIT need torn ears?....On the torn ear on <-this side is deeper than the one on -> side Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:50, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Brokenstar (A) - Tweaked== original artist was Shimmer. I just torn the ears. Darkhallows Enter the cave? 04:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Thicken the lineart on the ear away from us. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 14:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC) ==Whitestorm (D) - Tweaked== I re-did the shading and brightened the highlights. I was the original artist. Comments? 14:57, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Maybe on the ear farthest from us, make a small scar, like in his descption? Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:58, August 6, 2011 (UTC) Re-Uploaded: I added a scar on the farthest ea. 15:11, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area=

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Question about Leafstar's images
Ok, I know I put my question in the incorrect place last night, where nobody could see it, so I'm just making a new section for it. On the Nominations page, I had originally put Leafstar's images down as needing cream (I DON'T see cream anywhere on her images), and somebody chnged it to just needing cream stripes. I'm confused as to how she has cream on her: I mostly wanted to clear that up, because I'm doing her queen image, but it'll be hard to make it match if she's not tweaked for the right thing. 16:07, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

There are cream blotches along her haunch, her back, her fore-head, her tail, her stomach, and her left fore-leg. I really like how this is, the cream is nice and soft. I never pictured her with cream blotches patched all over her, I think it was supposed to be much more subtle Night <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Fall 19:14, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like brownish-ginger to me. Berrynose is cream. 20:17, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well it blends into her pelt more and it looks pretty cream against the brown. It doesn't have to be like Berrynose cream, then it would look kind of odd and stand out too much in my opinion. 17:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like highlights to meWildfire 02:34, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not to me. Highlights are brighter tones of the pelt, but the cream here isn't at all the shade of brown. I think Rainwhisper is right, if we did each cat with the same color of cream, then they wouldn't stand out as individuals. I think every cat that has cream on their fur has a different and unique shade of it. I think she's beautiful as she is Night <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Fall 02:37, July 19, 2011 (UTC) Well, usually when a cat is cream and tabby it means that their stomache and muzzle are totally cream, such as the white on Billystorm. I think the character art is nice, but the cream is unnatural. 19:37, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that they look like highlights. Maybe at least add a cream underbelly, chest, or muzzle, like said above? 19:03, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I just really hoped she gets tweaked soon, because while Tweak Week is going on and I can't submit anything, I want to try to get it as ready as I possibly can, since we have a lot of chararts to do, and I need the right cream color (fyi the cream on all her images ARE in fact different, so one has to be picked for all of them) 20:25, July 22, 2011 (UTC) I want to see it drawn more realistically, too. For once, the cover art on the super edition looks closer to her description. Is it on the list for tweaking? 03:25, July 25, 2011 (UTC) Yes, it is. 00:42, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Where is that list, anyway? Is it available to the general public? 00:38, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I just don't want to see this image totally redone...one, it's really beautiful as it is, and two, there's nothing that needs to be redone. I can agree that more cream could be added, but I hope that's the only thing that will be done to it Night <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Fall 16:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want it completely redone. I just want to see cream added to her chest in a more natural pattern, like how we make any other chararts with descriptions like hers. Just look at Billystorm. He's described as a ginger and white, and we don't just have little white ripples in his fur. We made his chest, tail, paws, and muzzle white. 20:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

She doesn't have to be exactly like Billystorm. I think the image is fine as it is. You can obviously see cream on her fur - but yes, more cream needs to be added, and like Nightfall said, that's the only thing. 21:46, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

The Leafstar image is fine. There are many shades of cream, Daisy's cream is the most common. But, her image is fine.Moon<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">stream 21:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean that there needs to be more cream. Just that the pattern of cream is unnatural. I honestly think the pattern should be the same as we do with every other cat described like she is (tabby and white, cream, etc). 19:00, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why though? It excludes all uniqueness if she's just made like all the other cats are. Each cat on this planet is different from the other. Even if you google brown tabbies, you'll get brown tabby cats with thousands of different styles of stripes and shades of brown. Each charart should stand out, not just melt into all the others. Night Fall 23:55, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I think waht they mean by brown and cream is waht she looks like on the cover of The Rescue. Wildbreath 18:15, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

New Suggestion
I had an idea after looking at the page for Sunfish, who is only ever given a description by her appearance in the manga at the end of Crookedstar's Promise. If a cat only appears in a manga or isn't described in detail in a book but is shown in a manga, can we go with the manga description? I know there would be color problems, but we could just set the charart to generic colors and put 'tabby', 'totoiseshell', 'mottled', or something like that on the page. Just a thought. 17:46, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

It depends on how the character is drawn. 18:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point. It's not that hard to decipher pelt type in the manga. I really wish we'd use this as a rule. It's how we chose Tadpole's description, isn't it? I think so. Plus, I think my dad told me something about how you can convert black-and-white into color, although it won't be as high quality as if it was color to black-and-white. 20:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Have we decided on the manga fourm yet? Wildfire 00:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing Charart
Why was it decided to use gold for Dovewing's eyes? I'm pretty sure we should go with the most often used description of blue, personally. I know gold was the original (even though technically the original from Sunrise was green), but if we went with the original for everything we'd have Rowanclaw as a female. 04:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes, gold IS the original. But Rowanclaw was first described as male, then he turned female, and went back to male, so we ARE going with the original. It wouldn't be pretty if we went with female, since he has a mate and kits. o_O. 14:07, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, look back at the last chapter of Sunrise. It calls Dovekit a light gray she-kit with green eyes. It makes more sense for her to have blue eyes, look at her relatives. Her sister, grandmother, and grandfather all have blue eyes. And the first time Rowanclaw had a description (in Midnight) in the alliengences, is was as a she-cat. In fact, a lot of the earliest descriptions changed over time. Lichenfur's entire appearence changed, and the first four leaders became five and knocked -star off of their names. Why only go with the original ideas that the Erins have changed? Has someone tried to get comfirmation from Vicky on it? 15:40, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart has a point. I believe we should go with the one that was said the most, in my opinion xD 18:42, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

And that's blue. I'm pretty sure her eyes were only called golden one time... just like they were only called green one time (and I'm pretty sure why the artist for the cover of the Fourth Apprentice made her eyes green on the cover). The warrior art for her originally had blue eyes, and was only changed to golden at the end. 19:08, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

We've had thing discussion before, somewhere in the archives, but I disagreed to the conclusion of it. I think we really should go with the most said, not the first. But we've had that rule for awhile in the wiki, so I dunno. Seriously, I think we should just leave them gold. It only describes her with blue eyes in the allegiances and once in the book. But she's described with gold more than once in the actual book. Mistakes are made on the allegiances all the time, Moonleaf is right, look at Rowanclaw. This has been discussed way too many times before this, and it was decided that her eye color should remain gold. I'm not working my opinion around personal bias by the way, I actually picture her with emerald green eyes; nothing in the books or here will change that. I just think we should just drop it, and stick with gold. If she's mentioned with blue eyes more times in future books, then we'll change it to blue. But for now, gold Night <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Fall 16:56, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I just realized I forgot to sign above ^^ So the one above Nightfall was my comment, sorry xD And after reading Nightfall's comment, I agree with her. It isn't like the fate of the world depends on Dovewing's eyes, so we should just leave it. It's no use getting into a whole different discussion on it. 17:44, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should only change it if one of the Erins officially says that it's "such and such" color that's not gold. That's the only way it should be changed since allegiances aren't very reliable. 23:03, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Kit System
I really don't find this fair. I mean, I get why apprentices can't do charart in Tweak Week - but if a user joins a project, it's for the user to participate. Not to wait an entire month before they can. I don't get this, really. I think it's unfair to the users who are looking forward to join the Project. 19:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I second your opinion. Rowanflight (Firestar1122000) 20:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC) Are you suggesting that we get rid of the kit system, or revamp it? if so, you're going to haveto give some sort of special privilidge to apprentices to distinguish the two. Honestly, I like the idea, because when you directly became an apprentice (when I joined), a lot of people joined the project, did a charart and expected it to get approved right away, and when it didn't, they got tiffed and quit the project. The kit system shows a user's devotion to becoming an apprentice. 20:33, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Icestorm. Yeah, I'm a warrior of the project, but, it's not really fair. Also, if a user is a kit, and a new book comes out or something, they have to wait, giving everyone else a chance to get the characters before they can. 20:35, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well, then, we need to decide if we're getting rid of the kit system, or treating them like apprentices and giving a privilidge to the apprentices (I'm not saying that to be greedy, but if you want to keep the kit ranking then you guys are going to have to) 20:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't like the kit system. How about if a user is inactive for more than a month without warning they get removed? Because apparently the entire "kit system" was because users weren't active or something like that... 22:46, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know...I thought it was because new apprentices got pissy when their art got critiqued. 22:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I also had another thought. We could shorten the amount of time a user is a kit, example, a week? 00:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree we need the kit system because some people leave once they learn how to make one for themselves but a month is too long so maybe a week or two just so they can learn. Wildfire 00:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

If we get enough people to agree, I think it should go to a vote. I think a week (and a half?) might be a good amount of time to make a user a kit 01:12, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

That seems fair, to shorten the span. I agree to the comments above as well, I didn't really pay attention to the kit system, but now I see what you all are saying. Many kits in the past had wanted to do a charart (say for Crookedstar's Promise) but didn't get the chance to do so. So I agree to shortening the span, it will also save the trouble of "It's been a month!" And "Can I be an apprentice? It's been a month." and all of that :3 01:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

While it's a bit irksome, I can see why they do it. It's like kits in the books: in the six moons the kits stay in the camp they become integrated into clan life and learn how things work. They get all the silliness out so they'll be truly ready when their real training begins. It's the same here. In the month you're a kit, you watch and learn how the project works so you can be ready when it's your turn to make character art. 02:03, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to speak as a non-member looking in, so bear that in mind when you read this. The Kit system is counterproductive. Creating art is a physical skill. The best, in fact the only, way to learn a physical skill properly is to do that thing. If you want to keep the kit rank, make it the period during which the user must prove themselves, by doing their first piece for the project (and limit them to one claim during that time or something. I think you permit multiple claims the rest of the time). You might want to emulate the way the books are working, but when that interferes with the effectiveness of a project, it's inappropriate. You already limit (out of practicality) the number of char art pending at once, why limit what members of the project can actually participate on top of that? This is the only project that requires membership to work it, why should membership require an unnecessary period in which they member cannot contribute? If the user fails char art piece one and number finishes it, then let that weed them out, not them loosing interest in the project while an arbitrary waiting period is met. And if new members get irritated over crit, them duff them out for being unwilling to take constructive criticism. The process of refining a piece is a fundamental part of this project. The rank system is currently unnecessarily deep, a waiting period is unreasonable and unnecessary. Get people making art and proving skills. if they don't have the skills, have them come back after they've practiced a bit on their own. 02:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

After reading that, I recend my comment and say go with Kitsu's idea. Kits get one image with which they can proove themselves? Sounds good to me. But, for the record, at least kits do get to make an imput by criticizing the images pending approval. 02:45, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

You know, this IS getting kinda long, don't things involving changing the project go on the forums? Or can this continue being discussed here? And Kitsu, I do see what you mean. I think that a month of doing very little but critiquing is counter-productive, because by then they may have lost steam, along with interest in the project. 02:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think what people need to realise is that not everybody is able to do charart to the standard required to the project. This project has become something that people want to do to make themselves seem 'cool' but not everyone has the skills, or will ever have them. That sounds harsh, but that's the way it is. I think the wiki needs a change of focus, where every project is seen as equally important and anyone who contributes anything is made to feel welcome and part of the in-crowd, not feeling like they have to join a certain project to be recognised. That's something not easily solved overnight, but I think when it does happen you'll have less members anyway and only those who really have an affinity for charart will be wanting to join (for the most part). I agree with Kitsu that people need to be able to accept critique, and have the skills in the first place. Not everyone is good at visual art and that needs to become okay. 08:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm also going to point out, that you'll have less problems if you stopped being so finicky over little things. I keep seeing discussions going back and forth between 'darken the shading' 'lighten the shading' 'make the ear pink bigger' 'smaller' 'more red' 'less red' etc. There is no correct way to do a charart as long as there is a clear light source, shading to show that, and it looks as realistic as possible. If it is an accurate and professional-looking representation of the character then it should be approved. Not just commenting and being fussy because you don't like a certain thing. If it's not explicity wrong then it may be down to taste... I know this is off-topic, but if you get charart moving through the page more quickly then this project might eventually reach its goal, thereby rendering this discussion irrelevant anyway. 08:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not liking the kit system so much. While it has cut down on "blossmhart3423465 got the character I wanted to do. I quit!" Type of situations, a month is too long. How about we try a week + a first character, like Kitsu said. Perhaps in that week they have to have posted at least five construstive critiques? Maybe it'd be hard to keep track of, though... I agree with Sandy, as well. I almost feel nervous about doing ear-pink, it's never been my strong suit, and honestly... it's such a small part xD. Darkhallows <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Enter the cave? 10:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don´t like this too. And about Tweak week... could help the volunteers?! When I saw Jaggedtoohts rogue image I say: please.please,please! Leaf-storm,11:47,July 30,2011 (UTC)

Sandy, doing any kind of art in the public means you'll have to put up with constructive criticism, even for the little things. It ensures the best quality for the website. There's no way we should put harsher guidelines on that. We already have it so no one repeats what others are saying and no one criticizes too harshly. It's not like people are coming on here saying 'OMG U SUX'. We're critiquing to help artists get better. 13:09, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Returning this to topic: I think any waiting period is inappropriate to this project, and I'm happy that many of you see the truth of that. This project isn't for training artists, it's for getting the art done. The Kit system is currently for training. If you guys want to train artists, find somewhere that's not already got a job to do it at is my recommendation. People should never join a project and be told that they're not permitted to start working. Accept them into the project and use the kit period to prove they have the skills the project needs. If they don't have what the project needs, then let them go and read the bagillion tutorials (half of which teach a single technique) on their own time and put in a little practice. 13:31, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart: I'm more than familiar with constructive critism and critiques thank you. There's quality and then there's people without the necessary knowledge over-critiquing a piece of work until it becomes worse than it originally was. I've seen it happen time and time again, and whilst I agree that details are important, this project also has a goal to reach at some point in the foreseeable future. Not that you'd believe it with the attitudes one can see around here. This project is not about critiquing to help artists get better, it's about art for the articles, and however much you want to sugarcoat that and pretend it's just for fun, it's not. If that's your attitude towards the project, I suggest you rethink your reasons for being here. I completely agree with you, Kitsu: this project is not for making people better artists (try deviantart.com or some website dedicated to art, if that's what you're here for), it's for the articles. 20:14, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sandy, I get what you're saying, but we want our images to be as good as they can be, even it means fixing the little things. But I do get what you mean, a great-looking image having to repeat a full CBA over, "blur the earpink." The kit system is bittersweet, as said up there. It shows whether they are truly devoted, or just came because they felt like it. And limiting them to no chararts for a month is harsh. Yet I don't think they should get images needing to be done, because if they aren't the greatest artist, it can take months for it to get placed on the page it belongs to. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 01:43, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this project is about making accurate visual representations of characters to put on character articles, not making people better artists (though I did get better a little bit in art because of this project ^_^). Mintstar, I get what you're saying about making the chararts look as good as they can be, but it doesn't really matter as long it portrays the character accurately.

Now, the kit system. -sigh-. It's pretty much for users to become better and practice. Like I said, it doesn't matter if the charart's good enough, but it should portray the character accurately. For the most part, users join this project because they want to do chararts and have fun. Becoming a kit and waiting for a month isn't really fun for them. They can only comment on others' work. But it probably would teach them that it isn't about making chararts and making them look good and having fun, that it's about making them to be put on articles, so I think the kit system should stay and not be shortened. 17:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

If the kit system is removed, which i dont think it should, but shortening it a bit might be good, we should start inforcing the rule that if a charart has been in approval for more than a month(or 2 i cant remember) then it will be declined. If an image has been uo for that long and hasnt been approved, its probably not going to be. 17:28, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I dont think its fair, for ALL reasons above. You get removed from the project after 1 month inactivity, and *boom* you have to be a kit for a MONTH. I say remove it and/or shorten it. 19:48, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I definetally think it should stay, but we have to fix the flaws of it. (I know, I've put my input on this about 1,000 times already xD) Another thing we could do to proove that they were doing their homework, we could always ask them a couple questions, such as "if you were to make Firestar's apprentice image, what would it's filename be?" maybe after a couple of days of joining. 19:53, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I say we should have a simple charart (a shorthaired brown warrior) that they could do when they think they're ready and if It looks like they read the tutorial and know what they're doing they become an apprentice. Wildfire 21:34, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

If the waiting time for a kit is shortened then the talk page would get clustered with "It's been a week, can I be an apprentice now?" Making users wait a month, though, is unfair. Making users do a "test" charart would be a good idea, however, where would we put all the "test" chararts? Plus we have enough pictures as it is. Right now we're having uploading issues, most likely, due to the amount of pictures we have already. Also, by declining chararts that have been up for more than two months can also be unfair. There are many lapses in comments, going from 4+ days, because most users are on top of their chararts in reuploading them. I propose to keep the kit system but perhaps move them up to apprentices when the leads see that they are commenting. They could possibly have the ability to do a charart even if they are kits, and if leads see that they are taking constructive critisim well move them up to apprentices. Give them say, a month or two, to prove their activeness, and then move them up to apprentices. Perhaps even warriors should be able to move up a kit. It's an idea. 00:59, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, good idea. They could do a charart and the leader, deputy, or a senior warrior of their choice could see it and ift hey think it is good, move them up a level? If they don't, tell them gently they will give them perhaps a week or so to test them and make them an apprentice? To the comment above Atelda's - maybe we could post them on Tinypic or something like that? Or through email? 15:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Email would be a good idea. All the leads could put a link to it on their userpage and it wouldnt ruin the wiki uploader. 15:40, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

About what Kitsu said about training, I agree. There are plenty of tutorials that kits can look at, instead of just waiting around doing nothing. ShadeySet Fire to the Wind... 17:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I was a kit for a month (actually a little more :P) and I agree that yes, it was a little long. I like Icestorm's idea. We could use iaza too, an image uploader. And yes, when they become a kit, some member of PCA could post a link of a tutorial on their talk page. 02:25, August 4, 2011 (UTC) I think the practice charart is a good idea. The person could just contact a lead, give them their email then send their practice charart to them. 03:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC) ==Apprentice== I become an apprentice today! I rejoined on June 30th. Can someone pwease add me in as an apprentice? Thankies! Ginger is back! and better than ever!''' 14:05, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Someone'll double check, and you'll be added in as an apprentice as soon as the leads have the time. =) 14:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in, Ginger. 19:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

You're already an apprentice, sorry xD 19:11, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Redoing Images
Redoing every image that is "hard to work with" isnt okay. Reread the guidelines for tweak week. The only images that are to be redone are the ones in the images to be redone section. If the image is to hard for you to tweak, pick another one. If the image is under images to be tweak, just tweak it. 17:38, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Um not really related to whats said /\ But um just wondering, WHY do all ginger cat NEED stripes, at one point when Mossy was leader, she said That ginger cats don't HAVE to have stripes, I just wanna know, why they need stripes. Sorry if I am souding rude. Just wanna know. Maple♥pool<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;"><sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 22:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, some images you just can't work with. It's not a big problem, and if the artist can't work with it, then there's nothing against redoing it. Like I said, it's not a problem nor a big deal. If it means making the image look better, which 99% of the time it does, then there isn't a reason for it to just be tweaked. But if it can be tweaked and still look good, then you are right there. But otherwise, redoing it is not a problem at all. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 22:56, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I re-do my images because I find it a lot easier to work with them some of the others. If the shading needs to be fixed, then sometimes it is a lot easier, and a lot more effective, to redo the whole thing. Now, if it's something like blurred lineart, that can be fixed in a matter of seconds. It all depends on what you're working with, honestly. 22:59, July 31, 2011 (UTC) :Also, I think some of the images that are in for tweaking should have been placed in the redone section. But, that's just my opinion. 23:02, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think it should be Ok to redo an image if there aren't any other images for that character. If you redo an image and that character has other images, then you'd have to redo all the others to match it, but I don't really see a problem with redoing the image of a character with only one charart. It's easier and the final image almost always looks a LOT better then it would have if it was just tweaked. ♥ Paleclaw <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">May StarClan be with you ♥ 02:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

True that sometimes redoing an image can bring out better results, but it can also take way longer to get approved. With the amount of images nominated for Tweak Week, we can't afford to take time to redo all those images in the limited time we have. If they needed to be redone they would be in the redone section in the nomination forum. I know I'm sounding quite blunt, but we have a limited time, not every warrior is avalible to participate in Tweak Week, and we have a huge list of images needing tweaking. 04:03, August 1, 2011 (UTC) :I disagree; the whole point of the "redone" and "tweaking" sections are to separate the two. Some images need tweaking, but others do not. I think a lot of the really good images that were supposed to have been tweaked were completely redone, and they don't look as good now. They were approved once the way they were, there is no reason for them to be approved all over again with a completely different look. Iceheart is right, if it's too difficult for you to tweak without redoing, then you should pick a different image. Night <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">Fall 05:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

You know, you may be right, but, not everyone has the same skill level. As TW goes on, some of the easier images are already done. You can't just expect someone to sit by while everyone else works. They're going to help out, regardless of if they can do it. I know I am. Sometimes with the shading, it can get hard to work with. I've had to re-do an image like that already. I don't think you should tell someone they can't do an image. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of the easy stuff is gone. I know I re-did a few, and one of them is up for approval now. Whitefang. Are you going to decline it because I re-did it instead of tweaking it? Some of the images that needed tweaking were a little messy anyways, so what's it matter? I think some of you guys are just too picky. Kick me out if you will for voicing my opinion. Some of the images that needed to be tweaked looked better off re-done. 05:11, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The entire point about Tweak Week is to make the images look better. In my opinion, it is unnecessary to tell people they can't re-do images because they weren't on the "tweaking list". If a user has a problem tweaking the image or if it looks plain bad, let them. I agree, it will take a fairly long time to approve, but work harder then. Would you rather have a messy, ugly image and have it take 5 seconds to approve or a nice, clean image and have it take 20 months to approve? 14:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Everyone has valid points. But the only problem that I see is if the charart isn't your own so you'd be replacing another artist's work without their permission. Maybe, if you're planning on redoing a charart that isn't your own, you should try to get the permission of the original artist unless they've had no edits for two months. Then, I think it's safe to assume that they've left the wiki. Thoughts? <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 15:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Nightfall, Atelda, you are the best. Your points are exactly what i ment. No Cloudskye, we arent telling you not to do chararts, but there are still plenty of easy ones to do. And honestly yes, (Not the ones currently up) I think future unneeded redone images should be declined. As for time, TW has only limited time, if an is that bad, it shouldnt have been approved at all, and none of them really are. We only have limited time, so ya i would prefer the 5 second one. And like Scaletwind said, is it really fair to just hijack someones art? 15:51, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

It does not matter how long the image takes, just as long as it is done. For TW, it should be done quick. Anyways I agree with Cloudskye. You can't tell someone they can't do an image because they can't work with it. If they need to redo it, so be it. If it takes 20 months, it can wait the second TW. Five seconds would have to be tweaked anyways. What if we always made sloppy images? That wouldn't bee good. So if the shading/highlights are unable to be just tweaked, it should be redone. And there isn't a reason to decline them, that's just being picky. As for what Scarletwind said, if they aren't a member in the project, go ahead and take it. If they are a warrior or above, ask permission like she said. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 22:48, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mintstarr, you're right. If you do decline redone images, then it's just being picky. Y'all are saying hijack like it's a bad thing. Sometimes, it's good re-do images. As I said before, not all of the ones that needed to be tweaked should have even been in that category. Also, Iceheart, easy for you is different then easy for me, so I really don't want to hear that. I really don't think you're getting that not everyone can do the same work, because not everyone's skill level is the same. Y'all just wanna be super freaking picky. *waits to be shot* 00:21, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

No i want to follow the rules of tweak week. And yes people have differnt skill levels, but i just did one where all you had to do was make one ear black. How much kill does that take? There are still plently like that. If you thought that the images should have been redone, you should have put them in the redone section of nominations. Seriously, if you guys are going to comment on this, first read the rules for the past tweak weeks. I bet they didnt have this problem. 00:28, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, for crying out loud, I have read the rules. And I'm not the one that put the images into the "tweaked" list anyways, so don't be telling me that. You're treating us like we're little kids. Just because you're one of the leads, doesn't mean you're 100% right all of the time. Actually, speaking of leads... Where's Darkhallows? I'd like to see her opinion on this as well. 00:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I was here last tweak week and I remember some people re-doing images because they were tough to work with. 00:42, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, it does not matter if the image is redone or not. If it looks good and accurate, then there isn't a problem. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I agree with Cloudskye all the way. Redoing an image to make it look better is not a problem. It becomes a problem when someone makes it one. If what Icestorm is said is true (which it is because I know she wouldn't lie) then there is nothing wrong with redoing them. If we didn't put them in the tweaking section, it's not our fault. It doesn't harm the wiki or project, so there is no reason to make a big deal over it. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 00:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I really never intended for it to seem like im talking down to you guys, sorry bout that. But if you want to make me seem like the bad guy for trying to enforce the rules, fine go ahead. And if we are going to start redoing more images than what are needed, there is one rule that im thinking has to be inforced. In the TW rules it says that all redone images need toge through CBA, with a lead saying it and everything, and we've been ignoring it for now. If we really want theses chararts to look better, we need to be sure of it. 16:13, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

No one's saying you're a "bad guy." Cloudskye and I don't see the reason why the rule has to be so inforced. And I agree with you. If we're completely redoing images, than they should go through the CBA process. It may slow down the process of approving and getting more done, but it makes sense to do that, as it's pretty much making an image out of scratch. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

How about - the ones that are tough to work with, and the rest of the images on the Tweaking/Re-done list, we do only those? And, if the other images (say if Firestar (L) was on the twaeking list but his warrior wasn't), leave it for another user to do and take another image. 19:13, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I know I'm not really involved in this, but I'll just add my two cents. I'll use an example. I think that the tweak for Firestar needing a scar wouldn't need his WHOLE picture redone (which it wasn't) since the rest was fine, but if it's on the list for something but some of the minor things that it cannot be tweaked for (such as earpink) are wrong, then by all means do that too. Some images don't have on the nominations everything that needs to be done to it, and some people have done their homework and realize that something else is wrong with it. I agree, it's only a problem if someone MAKES it a problem. 23:07, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

First off, Iceheat, I was just about to reply to your message, sorry for the delay. Second, there is a reason images are in the 'tweak' section, they don't need to be redone! If it's hard to work with, leave it to someone moe experienced. Re-doing images is only going to take longer. Try to stick with just tweaking, rather than redoing. Also, someone asked why orange cats needed stripes. Technically all (real) orange cats have stripes, it's just better to have it more realistic. Also, doing stripes is fun ;p (kidding, of course). Darkhallows Enter the cave? 00:59, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Permission Error with images
Hey, has anyone else been getting a window the pops up when you try to upload a file that says Verification Error? I've been getting that when I try to re-upload over Mistystar's deputy charart, so that's why it hasn't been updated yet. I was just wondering if anyone else has been getting that too. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 16:50, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

My bad. Permission Error is what the window said. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 18:50, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's what happened with me too. I was accidentally uploading my Mistystar.warrior image as Mistystar.deputy, since I named the file that, and it always said Permission Error. But when I realized my mistake (after freaking 10 times of uploading) I renamed it and it worked. So I think it's the name that's playing up. 19:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that is odd. I already messaged Mistystar to ask if the file was locked or something and haven't heard back yet. But I guess, until this gets fixed, Misystar's deputy charart can't be updated. <sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ The Star that cannot Return to the Heavens<sup style="border-width: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: super; line-height: 1em; font-size: 11px;">♌ 04:08, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe upload her file under a different name? 14:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Deleted?
I'm no longer on the apprentices section. Did I get deleted for some reason? Ginger<sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(255, 97, 3);"> Heat wave <sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(77, 189, 51);"> + Power outage <sup style="font-family: Comic Sans; color: rgb(29, 124, 242);"> = Unhappy Ginger  20:07, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure...When I was adding in some other users, you were there. 22:31, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I had tht too when I added a white background to all the character base pixils since I agreed to do it. I never have been able to do that. 21:26, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Little question
I am wondering why was I taken off the apprentices list? I have been active and I do have a charart for approval (not a tweak week one though) Thanks, 22:30, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know. A lot of apprentices have been removed from that list. Mintclaw I may be bad, but I'm good at it! 23:21, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. I was taken off, too. I'm pretty active, but not inactive enough to be taken off. Now I have to be a kit and wait for a month o_o... 01:11, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think someone goofed up on the main page. I don't think they took you off... It was an accident. At least I hope it was... 02:23, August 4, 2011 (UTC) :Okay, guys. The main page is fixed. There was a bracket missing in one of the usernames, and it threw everything off. No worries now. None of you were taken off. It was a code issue. 02:26, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page
What in the name of Starclan happened to the PCA talk page? It's like in one big paragraph D< ❋Snowpuff❃You make me feel... 23:45, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

This happens sometimes, on accident. I know, it does look like a big paragraph :P 02:27, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, can someone you know...FIX IT? Maple♥poolSchool? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 18:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

We're trying to, it's a matter of intermediate edits. 01:11, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maplepool: That message sounded very demanding and rude. Don't use caps. Of course someone will fix it. You have to be patient. 01:20, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I think I fixed each section. Does it look good? 02:41, August 5, 2011 (UTC) :Looks much better. Thanks! =) 05:32, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Someone will have to fix the coding mishap underneath where it says, "Discussion" as when I try to edit the whole talk page and put it in source mode, my internet session freezes. 01:03, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Because it is in the different font and slightly different color the coding somethimes shows up as it will in source mode. ☮OwlXGlitter☮..4EVERThe Peace is Perfect☯ 06:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Page should be good now. I fixed up what was left. =) 17:21, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if I sounded rude.....didn't mean to, I'm sorry, but, someone needs to fix it again...something went wrong..... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 13:22, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

It's not rude, you're right. It's all wonky. I might have a look but cannot guarantee I can fix it. 14:37, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, I was responding to Icestorm....didn't mean to be rude....Dx...and see what you can do, I would fix it...if I knew how, but I know what happend, two people edited the page at the same time, and when they saved it, it ended up looking like does now.... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 16:29, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentince
Can I be an apprentince? 18:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Do you know what date you were added as a kit? ❋Snowpuff❃You make me feel... 23:20, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Around June 30th, i beleve

18:15, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Rescue
Are we going to do the cats in the Rescue? If not we need to decide because we never did vote on that. Wildfire 22:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

We've done cats for all of the other manga. Why would this be different? Is there really a need to vote? 23:16, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure we are going to do The Rescue characters, there is no need for a discussion or vote ;3 01:11, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Plus, some of them the colors were said by them or the other characters (like when Leafstar was naming her kits and she said what color they were) 21:28, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

okay but what about manga alts we haven't decided that. Wildfire<sup style="color: gray;">Hazelx <sup style="color: brown;">Thorn! 00:26, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Birdpaw- Pending Approval
Artist is Ivypool11 You can't do regular charart until Tweek Week is over, and you have to be an apprentice to do so. 15:39, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice? 8D
I finally get to become an apprentice <3. May I? C: 13:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Do you know the date you joined? 01:14, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

July 6th  16:40, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi! Could you please add me? I would appreciate it very much! <font color="red" face="segoe script">Cloud <font color="orange" face="segoe script">claw1 <font color="green" face="segoe script">Fly  <font color="blue" face="segoe script">the  <font color="purple" face="segoe script">winds...  22:49, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I put this in a separate heading. And yes, you may join! A lead will add you soon, and you'll be added as a kit, so you can't do chararts for a month, you can only comment on them. 01:14, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

2 things, joining, willowbreeze
Hi I was wondering if I could join projecect Character art. Because I am pretty good at drawing charart, And I would really like to contribute to it. The other thing is that Willowbreeze doesn't have a warrior charart, or a queen charart. I was already starting on the warrior charart. So please let me join I would really love to help. I will probably give the charart to Atelda or Frostheart. They may edit and do what they like. Thank you for reading.

I love tigerheart 16:20, August 7, 2011 (UTC)I love Tigerheart :)

Hello, thanks for the intrest in joining, wait for one of the leads to add you, then you'll be a kit, but, sadly, you can't put up any images for one month after you are added, Thank you^^ Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 16:27, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
Okay, I've been here long enough to be an apprentice. :3 17:10, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

What date did you join? 18:42, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

July 7th. 19:09, August 7, 2011 (UTC)