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StarClan Kit Blanks - For Approval
As far as I could tell I'm doing these. Go ahead and decline if I am mistaken. Comments?

No, you were supposed to be the one who made them, Breezey. They're your blanks, and it would be a lot easier for you to do it, since you have the files. Are they just shrunken versions of the blanks, then?

asdf yey~ Thicken the lineart by maybe one pixel if possible and if not don't worry about it, smooth it all out (it's kind chunky and overly pixely in some places) and maybe change the proportions a bit to seem more kit-like rather than just changing the size. Shrink the tail a bit, shoulders and paws and maaaaaybe ears (unsure on that one). Nice job! 04:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, there are some adjustments. Storter bodies, legs, wider chests, and larger heads. I tried to make them look like older kittens. I'll reupload later when I have more time. 04:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Observe. And this is a cat at six months. Bigger eyes and ears in proportion to the face. Stubby legs. Not so muscly. Pathetic-looking tail. 04:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want it to be this small, then they aren't older kittens in comparison to the regular blank. They're tiny, pretty much newborn, so the first image would be more appropriate. 04:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

They don't look resized correctly, like, you know how if you resize something in Paint, it gets all pixel-y? It sorta looks like that. Iaza can most likely resize it well if you try. did totally not stare at Shelly's kitten images for five minutes ouo  E c h o   EchoXFox  23:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

neither did i i swear Make them less pixel-y. -Feather 13:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Feather, don't repeat what's already said. Paleh's already said that. ._.

Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry x3 -Feather 18:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Due to my schedule changing, I can't work on these within the next week. Shelly has agreed to take over for me. 21:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the side of the tail <-- this way there are like two or three pixels that stick out from the rest of the lineart. Do we really need that? Or can it be removed because I don't really think it does anything. 17:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's a gap in > side of the eyes.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do I need to keep this pose? I mean, the living kit blanks don't match the warrior blanks. Of course, I would not change the pose without Breezey's permission. I can work with this pose, but I'd rather move it around to make it more obvious that this is a different blank. 00:32, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should keep the pose. That's the one we voted on, so you should really keep it....

You voted on the pose for the adult blanks. No one has voted on a pose for the kits. 00:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Technically we didn't /vote/ vote, but we all agreed, yes. We agreed on shrinking the blank, not making a totally new one. I would strongly disagree with making a new blank altogether. So yup, same pose please. edit conflict ffff 00:43, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bah, fine. If that's what you guys want. 00:48, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

* pops in* I really don't think you need to make them exactly the same. As long as it's a cat lying down at this sort of angle, if the blanks need to be moved around to accommodate the anatomy of a kitten then I'd say go for it. 04:52, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, they probably should be a bit distinguished. Otherwise, they might be confused for thumbs of the StarClan blanks. 04:53, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! And yeah, I think that the pose is a bit too flexible for a kitten. How about this: Facing the opposite direction (head on the left instead of the right) and the back legs facing us. Not that different, but different enough to distinguish it from the full-grown blank. 05:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, we agreed before (at least mostly) to simply shrink it. Unless a whole new discussion is brought up and there's majority agreement on there, I think it should stick with what we decided. 05:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless a vote was held, I am not constrained to one. It's Breeze's blank and if she gives me permission to alter them slightly, which she has, then I shall be doing so. 14:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Alright. Flipped and made to look more like a kitten in general. Shorter tail, stubbier legs, bigger features in proportion to the size of the head, larger ears in proportion to the head. (hates lineart) I know the lines are a bit choppy for now, but I'll be cleaning that up later. 22:37, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

So any discussion that comes to an agreement that isn't a vote can just be ignored if one person says do it anyways? I mean, if you're just flipping them, I don't much care, but that logic makes no sense. Anyways, the legs are almost too stubby, even for a kit, and the one on its right is oddly positioned. 03:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin out the shoulder, it makes the kit look //really// buff lol 03:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there black specks on <--- this side of the image? O.o 17:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Even out the lineart so that it's relatively the same thickness throughout the image, especially on the ears, tail, and the paws. 17:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, shall be reuploading tonight after classes. 17:21, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

This is really cute! Referencing to this I think the muzzle needs to be a litttlllleeeee smaller... 00:23, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Before you complain about the tail being moved, please note that I only did it because the former position of the tail was impossible without the spine being broken. I know that this is a dead kit we're looking at, but I'm pretty sure most of them didn't die of spinal injuries. 01:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

The tail was originally taken from a photograph. It was totally possible. Please change it back, there was nothing wrong with it. 02:00, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Show me the photo then. 02:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

This was the photo. As you can probably tell from the position of the tail markings, the cat is not, in fact, lying on it's side. Not completely. Its legs are tucked under and it is on its side a little bit, but mostly it's on its belly. That would mean that the position of the tail in the StarClan blanks is actually sweeping mostly to the side, which is completely possible and done to save space. 07:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Except the tail in that photo is nothing like the tail in the blanks. The tail in the blanks is sweeping backwards and to the side, indicated by the fact that it overlaps the back of the cat. That position is impossible with the rest of the cat's spine angled as it is. Trust me, I've tried it with my cat, and her tail was both not that long and not able to form that kind of arc with the rest of her spine as it was. The tail, especially when a cat is relaxed and not trying to look threatening, follows the curve of the spine, and the position of the tail used before was impossible unless it was broken at the base and somehow still functioning. Not every blank needs to showcase the tail prominently, don't make such a big deal out of me using proper anatomy. 14:47, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unless you guys want me to move it so the cat's legs are facing up and not away, I cannot possible realistically move the tail back. 14:49, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Or I could compromise and have the tail match the position in the photo. That way the image still shows the tail and it's anatomically correct. But there's no point in going against what's possible for the purpose of saving space when these blanks are the second smallest ones we've got now. Even the adult ones, had the tail been laid out, would only be probably about as big as the loner or rogue blanks. 01:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The tail position was perfectly fine with the normal size blanks if referenced off that image. Regardless of whether the tail was that way in the image, you can clearly see how the back's facing, and with it being how it is in the photo, there was nothing at all wrong with the tail. We agreed on a shrunken version of the SC blanks. If you want to do something other than that, which is what you're doing now, go bring it up. Vote or not, an agreement's an agreement and you can't just go against it without any kind of discussion because you want to. Please change it back or bring up a discussion about doing something other than simply a shrunken SC blank.

You had five members even comment after you brought up shrinking the old blanks and only two even mention resizing the old blanks. You call that consensus? The only thing that was agreed upon, and I hardly call that agreement consensus since only a small portion of the project took part in the discussion, was the fact that these would be made. They were handed off to me and I will be using correct anatomy. According to Breezey, this blank has the back facing us in the rump area, a position the photo provided does not have and the tail doesn't match the photo at all. So I'm either leaving this tail as is or I'm matching the photo, but I'm not going against proper anatomy based on the "agreement" of two or three members of the project. 02:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

That was the conclusion we came to on the discussion though. >.> If it wasn't enough agreement to go on, these blanks wouldn't be up at all right now. As I said, if you want to not do a shrunken version, go bring it up. Until then, please stick with what the conclusion was on the discussion. And actually, according to whiskey, the blanks are in the position of that photo, and the spine was facing up. Having the tail to the side is perfectly normal. Are you saying cats can't sweep their tails to the side at all? It not improper anatomy to have the tails like that, they were fine.

I know full well what Breeze told me, the spine is facing us. And no, the anatomy is incorrect, and no, I see no project consensus over how the blanks should be done, only that they should be done. I'm not breaking the tail, Paleclaw, and that's that. You wanna prove me wrong on the anatomy, by all means provide me proof that a tail can bend like that in this position. 02:34, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me but go read whiskey's last post. She clearly said that the back's not facing us. It was perfectly natural and you wouldn't be breaking the tail. And the discussion ended after the conclusion was asked for, given by everyone who was still actually paying attention to the discussion. If you think the discussion didn't come to an agreement, these shouldn't be up at all. If that's the case these should be declined until further agreement is actually made, in your opinion, to do the kit blanks at all. If not, go with what the conclusion was. 02:39, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I am going with the conclusion. The conclusion was to make the blanks. No conclusion was made concerning what they should look like. And Breezey has told me that the spine is facing us. If it wasn't the blank would be flat on the bottom, not curved like a haunch is, and we'd see part of a foot at least unless the blank was meant to be obese. I know what I was told, and I know what the conclusion of that discussion was. If you have a problem with what I'm doing, you start a discussion, but I'm going to continue doing my best to make the best blanks I can for this project with correct anatomy. 02:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Now can you please just let me be? I'm just a weary old member trying to do one last thing for this project and trying to do it as right as I can. This discussion is going nowhere fast, and you're the only one complaining so far. I'm not hurting anyone or breaking any rules. I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do and get these done. Now unless you have another critique, please just drop it. 02:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody can read can see what whiskey said in her last post. The spine's not facing us. And if you think the anatomy on them is so bad, why don't we just throw out the SC blanks at start from scratch with your anatomy then, hm? =.= They were references straight off a photo and the cat wasn't obese. Give me one good reason, with that all in mind, not to stick with the shrunken SC blanks other than just cause you think you can do better.

I have no reason to start yet another discussion on something already discussed and concluded to prove to you that the conclusion was to shrink the SC blanks. Go look at the discussion, that was what was decided at the end. I'm telling you to go with the conclusion, which you're not, and you're saying to go against. How exactly do you think I'm the one who needs to start a discussion then?

I'm going to be blunt here, you're being really disrespectful to Whiskey and how she made the blanks, and also very arrogant in thinking you can change whatever you like cause you think you can do better. The blanks were fine as they they were and if they weren't they wouldn't have been approved.

And no, I'm sorry, I will not let you be when you're being disrespectful to other members and refusing to go with what was decided on. Whiskey gave these to you thinking you would do a good job on them since she didn't have the chance to do this. Yet now you're ragging on her blanks. That's a lovely way to thank her, no?

I don't ever remember agreeing to allow you to redo the blanks. I agreed to shrink them and keep the same pose. Nor did anyone else, save for Breezey, I /think/. If you're going to redo the blanks, then I think a vote should be made, since you're basically doing whatever you want with them and forcing us to go along with it. You can't just say that you disagree with Paleh and be done with it, you know. Just because you're the "artist" of the blanks does not entitle you to disregard everything Paleh's told you. I'm not stepping in as an artist, but as /the deputy of the project/. I don't care how they're done, so as long as they're done fairly. Right now, this doesn't seem very fair, as you're basically telling Paleh to go away when she's offering critique, which last I checked, is the basis of the project, and what you asked for. That's not very...proper, I think, when many others have gotten told off, or worse, for doing the same thing you're doing now.

Stop the petty bickering, come to an agreement, or else I can and will assert my powers as deputy, and I'm sure Scarlet would be glad to help me. I'm getting quite tired of this, and seeing no progress being made. They're /blanks/, for Skorm's sake. I don't care what issues you have with each other; put them aside for the good of the project.

Mmkay, first off:

If everything that got approved was fine, we wouldn't have a tweak page.

How am I being disrespectful when I'm just trying to fix some anatomy? I never said she did a bad job, I said that the pose wasn't possible with the tail as it was.

Breeze said that the cat in the photo had it's spine facing up, not the cat in the blank. She told me personally shortly after her blanks were approved that the spine was facing us. I promise you, I'm not lying.

I still see absolutely no consensus in that discussion as to what the blanks should look like, only that they should be made.

I am not acting arrogant thinking I can do whatever I want. I moved the dang tail. If I could do whatever I want I'd have changed the entire thing because I don't think that the blank needs to look anything like the adult blanks, but I respected Breeze's work and kept the pose. I just corrected it for anatomy and now you guys are going off on me continually just because of that. So excuse me for getting annoyed, especially when lately I haven't been given any say in how I've been able to do anything. Why should I start a discussion when you're the ones that ended it without finalizing this part of it or any semblance of a vote? Yes, concensus was reached to make the blanks, but none was reached in how they should look, so why shouldn't I move the tail? I may not have every say in what I can do, but I am allowed to make one danged decision based on proper anatomy. If you guys want to see the tail so bad, I can match the photo, but I'm not moving it back. 03:12, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

We didn't have a vote, I believe, because Breezey was supposed to shrink her blanks, and we were going to work with that. Now that she passed them onto you, it's an entirely new game.

If there's no consensus, then these blanks should not be up for approval until said consensus has been reached. Based on that alone, these should be declined until such agreement has been reached.

I won't comment on the anatomy part because I know nothing about it.

Last time I checked, artists are allowed to pass off their work to whomever they choose, and Breeze chose me. Why should I be subject to a vote when she was not? Why should I be on trial just for doing what I was asked to do when no consensus was reached based on what the blanks should look like? Why can't I just make this one decision on my own? There was consensus that these blanks should be made and you guys just let Breeze put them up, so I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong by finishing them on her request. 03:20, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous. Yes, I did give Shelly the right to do the blanks, and I voiced my opinion that they should be in some way distinguished from the bigger ones. However, I do not remember saying that the cat was complete on it's side, just that Lionheart's markings were about right. I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the cat was on its side. However, nor do I remember saying that it was completely on it's belly and I'd appreciate it if words weren't put into my metaphorical mouth, thank you. The cat is not in a relaxed pose. It is in an attentive, ready to move pose, likely in the process of shifting it's legs underneath it to stand up to investigate whatever had roused it. So it is slightly on its side and slightly on its belly, it's tail sweeping to the side, since, as can be seen from the image I linked, it is actually laying...vertical? Unfortunately, pixels blanks have limited space and make it relatively difficult to add all the bumps and curves into the cat and still make it colorable and good-looking. So before you go off to request the tails be tweaked on the StarClan blanks, know that they are completely possible and I did do my research.

Now, this is my personal solution, and requires at least three senior warriors to agree (like a tweak), excluding those arguing on this image due to bias: The blank's tail can take up the position of the reference image - it is a kit's after all and likely not as long and flexible as an adult's - but no other changes in position can be done unless it is requested by those critiquing the image. Also, if any other arguments pop up on this image, it will be immediately declined and a new artist will be found to do the blanks. I don't see why this needs to be taken to the talk page when it can be settled right here, though it is not our traditional approach. Deal? 04:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing with Breezey on this one. Since I was technically involved when I spoke up there, my say doesn't count. But, I'll voice it anyways, since I'm entitled to do so. Any other arguments that need to be argued can be done outside of the approval page, I think, and perhaps within a PM in the chat or something.


 * -nods- That seems fair for all sides, and I'll accept whatever's decided on through that. I apologize for making such a fuss, I'm just quite stubborn about my opinions, not to mention the fact I'm quite fond of the SC blanks. And I must say I'm quite impressed with you ability to come up with a resolution that's fair for all sides. I promise to accept it and not get involved in anymore arguments.

Since I already told you guys I'd be willing to make that compromise, of course I'd be happy to do it. And I wasn't going to request a tweak of the blanks. 05:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll agree. It's a good compromise, and both sides are treated fairly. I also agree with Cloudy, any other discussion on this matter should be taken elsewhere. 06:03, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody else? 06:53, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, as well. 04:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, sounds good. 04:16, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Whelp that's three then. On a different subject, can you even out the lineart a bit more? It's thicker on the front part of the body than it is on the back. And the far front paw still seems at an odd angle.

Re-uploaded. Moved the tail. I'm going to be offline for a few days while my cable/internet provider is changed and this is all I have time to do right now. 06:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tail looks a bit long. And the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/

Re-uploaded. If you can't get more specific than "the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/", I can hardly interpret that in any productive way to fix it. 03:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I tried redlining it, if that's ok. I wasn't too sure on the tail, so ignore it if it's wrong. 03:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, if you can't see it I'll go into detail. It angels inwards while being completely straight, and though angling inward is fine, as you can see the shoulder on the side, the foreleg seems to bend in a way that doesn't look very natural, and also makes it seem too short. Either make it point out straight, make it a bit longer and put a bit more curve in it, or do something else of the sort. Also make the tail a bit thinner, as it seems quite thick for a kitten, and possible move it down closer to where the body meets the floor, as it gives the impression it's floating right now because of the perspective.

You also might add some structure to the wrist joint of the far foreleg and soften the toes on both, since these are very distinct. The head doesn't connect with the neck on our left very well either, so try to mess with the curve to smooth it out. Also, at this angle you would be able to see both shoulders distinctly, even if it is a kitten, so add some lines on the chest to give the far shoulder some definition. 23:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can one of you redline that paw? I'm having trouble getting it right. Bloo, I appreciate the redline, but it's not really what I'm going for. 23:16, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Like this? 01:54, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry if its really blurry or big or something, I did it off my school ipad and the app the school supplied wasn't too great. 01:57, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I forgot- i couldn't really redline this, but also the mouth extends past the chin and on to the neck... Can you fix that? This is really cute! 02:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. The mouth doesn't go anywhere near the neck. Are you looking at a whisker? 22:23, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ohhhh I see but it looks like the lower left whisker has a split end O.o 07:36, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

What's going on with these, Shelly? I'm seriously not trying to rush you or anything, but I noticed that you haven't uploaded in a while.

The right shoulder looks too wide; move the right side of it to the left a bit, and the paws look a bit too big for the body. ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

-mutters- Demonic little kit paws... Here is another redline if it helps any at all:. Also, this is a handy reference for positioning those front paws:  Could you make the eyes a little thinner, so he doesn't look so shocked? 20:40, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'll upload new ones tonight. I've had a hellish month, sorry. 22:13, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 18:39, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Coming along nicely, Shelly! Can you thin the lineart just a tad on the paws? ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

These look awesome. Just sayin'. After you even out the paw lineart I think you could post the rest. c: 21:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 16:37, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Why are the females eyes slanted like that? 02:16, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

The females' eyes are the same as the male's, just with an eyelash. o.O 02:22, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

No, Bramblewind is correct, I think. The eyes for the males and females do differ, although sightly. Not sure if that was intentional or not.

Petal's and Fox's Mother(Q) - For Approval
hai  19:47, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes seem kinda paintbrushy...blur or smudge them a bit?

Hmm, I don't know if it's texture or shading, but it looks blotchy. If it's shading can you blurr it please? ^^ 03:17, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I didn't do anything with the shading because I'm 99% sure that it's the texture. 21:47, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 05:25, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Shading's fine. It's plenty defined. 06:12, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? Wonderful job, Duck c: 13:18, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, and this has already passed 24 hours, but the stripes still look painbrushy, and the one on the back foot seems like a random stripe was just placed there. I don't think they can go like that... Of course, if I'm wrong, go ahead and approve the image, guys

Re-uploaded Smudged the stripes more, but I will more if I need to and I changed the back leg stripes. 14:26, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smudge/point the tips of the stripes on the back a bit more? 23:44, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

The way to have the stripes on the tail makes it look as though it's at an odd angle. Can you try to rearrange them, mainly the angle, so that it looks like it's curved toward us? 17:00, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Would anyone mind if I redid the stripes, they're giving me hassle and I wanted to ask first. x3 23:16, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

It's your image, and you don't have a pattern to match. Go right ahead~

Re-uploaded Looks so much better~ 21:32, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit, so that they look less paintbrushy? Bb un   legs  21:35, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading a bit? Also, you don't have to blur them, persay. Smudging would do the same thing, depending on how you smudge them. ^^;

Maybe also smudge or blur the lighter chest and face portion? It looks a little too straight of a line of fur, even for a shorthaired cat X3. 23:31, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Rainswept Flower (R) - For Approval
Changes may or may not be showing. I was going to give her black stripes, but when I played with the settings, this came out, and I couldn't bear to change it back. I tried doing this without colorpicking whatsoever, but the shading is giving me fits, ugh. That's what you guys are for, to help me fix it, heh. 01:07, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken or defing the shading a bit, I'm having trouble seeing it. 22:57, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could blur the pale stomach and back legs into the base pelt some more? 16:57, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Ivy? 03:09, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded yeh GIMP was giving me trouble with the undermarkings 16:40, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Adskjhf So pretty, Ivy! 8D CBA? 22:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you define exactly where the shading is on the tail, legs, and face? x3 23:07, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, honestly. It shows depth, which is what shading is supposed to do.

I don't quite understand the dark lines on her feet and lower legs. Is it shading that should be blurred more...? This is lovely, Ivy! 23:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

The dark lines on her feet are normal markings on brown tabbies, even my own cat has them. Don't worry, they're not random. I'll get on that :)  00:08, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading a little? I'm having a hard time telling whwre it is : ) 04:40, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Halftail (Star) - For Approval
Wow, this was a little difficult, anyways comments? 07:29 Thu Apr 11

The inner tail lineart looks a bit too thick. Beautiful! ☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The stripes are thinner on his other images. 22:59, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks, Sorrel~ 08:33 Fri Apr 12

Comments before approval? 16:56, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to interrupt, as this is so pretty, but I think you should lighten up the tail shading/highlights a little. I'm having trouble seeing the stripes there...If not, sorry about that... 17:13, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The shading was a tad thick. 22:03 Sat Apr 13

The stripes around his eye isn't like that on his warrior image, which is facing the same way. 22:05, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Is this better? 23:35 Sat Apr 13

Smudge the pelt into the earpink a bit more. 01:30, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

To me, it seems as if there's only a strip of shading on one side of the ear. I think the problems that you used a darker shade of the pelt color instead of using black and lowering the opacity, and then you put the earpink behind the shading so it covers most of the pink. Fix? 01:45, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I shaded with black not a darker base pelt. Also changed the eye a little. 07:11 Tue Apr 16

The tail seems to bulge a little at the top. Can you fix that maybe? 22:57, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hope this is okay. 21:49 Thu Apr 18

Duskwater (E) ~ For Approval
I love her colors c: Comments? Bb un   legs  18:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the white, or the shading on the white. It looks a tad gray. Also, blur the back shading just a bit. Nicely done, she matches wonderfully.

Re-up. Ermegersh thank you so much Skye 8D Bb  un   legs  18:34, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a tad? 18:44, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Bb  un   legs  18:51, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you fix her light source? I honestly cannot see where it is coming from. 16:55, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Her light source is similar to Rosetail's and Snow Hare's, so I think it's fine. If anyone disagrees, I'll change it ^^;;. Bb un   legs  18:35, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

If it's coming from her front, than the entire front of the chest, along with her paws and tail-tip, should be in light. 01:54, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-up. I tried ;A; Bb  un   legs'''  16:30, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Erm, may I go prod for some comments, please? It's been two days, so I believe I can go do so ^^;; Bb  un   legs  21:08, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Course. Try to blur/blend the shading in more, right now it's 'sticking' out too much. ^^ 22:52, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Bb  un   legs  23:00, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there are darker portions of tufts of white hair on her belly that don't quite match the light source. Beautiful! So pretty...0.0 NYAAA *flies away*   23:37, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. nowadays it seems like we're always impressing each other XD Bb  un   legs  23:56, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Rainleap (Star)- For Approval
Long overdue... because no one wanted hurr :3 23:14, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Can you sharpen the faces stripes a bit more and smudge the pelt into the ear-pink a bit more? 23:53, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to be difficult, but I purposely matched Rainleap's face stripes, though they may be a little dark, to their blurring. If anything, I'd say they need to be blurred more. I'll change them if someone else says something :3 05:21, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

They're a touch too blurred and a little too dark. 16:53, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I like pizza.

I think the chest and that little spot of shading between her chin and her shoulder could be blurred a bit. Nice! 01:26, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

I think her stripes may be just a little too dark. 03:25, 04/15/2013

Lighten the shading on the tail a tad? 22:18, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Iight, will be uploading when I can find time! :( seriously teachers need to know we like things other than school really 02:10, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Birchstar (RC) (Star) - CBA
Eh...I like her eyes, anyhow. Suggestions for improvement for Birchstar? 18:18, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten her just a little bit all over to match. This is awesome. c: 04:51, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Lowered the opacity of shading 10 notches, and raised highlights 10 notches, and then dodged the coat really lightly. Think the stripes need to be blurred more? 22:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a little, yes. 22:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded My suspicions were confirmed. Thanks~ 22:46, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? Another wonderful image, Knight~

Troutclaw (Star) ~ For Approval
- Sorry ;.; It looks bad. It was hard trying to copy Berru's design. It was also hard getting the shading and highlights to cooperate (don't get me started on the matted head thing x.x). I'm not the best at this =o=;; Anyways, comments/concerns? --<span style="background-color:#9508D0; border:2px solid #000000; -moz-border-radius:6px; -webkit-border-radius: 15px; background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#9AFEFF), to(#307D7E));background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top,#000000,#154776); -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 8px rgba(112,94,160,20);" !style="color:#000000;""> Echo Harkness  <span style="background-color:#9508D0; border:2px solid #000000; -moz-border-radius:6px; -webkit-border-radius: 15px; background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#9AFEFF), to(#307D7E));background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top,#000000,#154776); -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 8px rgba(112,94,160,20);" !style="color:#000000;""> "I was just saying hello!" 22:32, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Make the stripes match the elder more. Nice! Bb un   legs  22:35, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a tad. Beautiful~ 22:36, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beebs, how about instead of just saying make the stripes "match more", how about giving her suggestions as to how to match them? Anyways, Echo. This is really neat. .o. Perhaps thin out the lineart on the head, and add more of it?

Erase the waste, too? ^^ 22:43, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Removing waste is the bane of my existence now. --<span style="background-color:#9508D0; border:2px solid #000000; -moz-border-radius:6px; -webkit-border-radius: 15px; background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#9AFEFF), to(#307D7E));background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top,#000000,#154776); -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 8px rgba(112,94,160,20);" !style="color:#000000;""> Echo Harkness  <span style="background-color:#9508D0; border:2px solid #000000; -moz-border-radius:6px; -webkit-border-radius: 15px; background-image:-webkit-gradient(linear, left top, right top, from(#9AFEFF), to(#307D7E));background-image:-moz-linear-gradient(top,#000000,#154776); -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 8px rgba(112,94,160,20);" !style="color:#000000;""> "I was just saying hello!" 22:47, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe perhaps made the stripes match more by not blurring them as much? The ones on the elder don't seem to be blurred that much. Bb un   legs  22:49, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Define/darken the darker stripe of color on him, and I believe it is on the wrong side of the tail, too. (correct me if I'm wrong) 22:53, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Try making the mats look more like mats than spikes. I'd say google it, but that's painful to look at... Here's the least painful looking one I found. Matts are round clumps of tangled fur hanging off. And they'd be mostly on his cheeks, not his forehead, since there isn't really enough fur on a cat's forehead to matt up. I'd say his elder image should be tweaked for this as well. (gotta wonder if the Erins realize that a cat just can't live with matted fur... it rips their skin off... and sometimes kills them from either blood loss or infection... and cat in their right mind that's able to do it would groom this stuff off... no? just gonna have an elder known for matted fur on his face? kthen) 22:55, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

He's pretty cool! I like it. As for matching the stripes after unblurring them, darken them a bit, and they are smudged more than blurred. Also, he has a dorsal stripe down his back and tail. Last, the light color on his face wouldn't extend so far on his face, as he has dark stripes around his eyes. Again, great job! 23:15, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I really like this guy! Define the tail shading a bit and also blur the shading a tad more. Nice, echo! 02:07, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

On his other images he has stripes also going the opposite way as the stripes are going now, blur the shading, he doesn't have a torn ear, and the elder and kit seem to have blue tinted shading. But nice work~ 02:24, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Honeyfern (Star) - For Approval
Meh... Could've been worse, though I'm not sure I like her either.... 02:19, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

There seem to be specks of waste around the image. Holy crap, Scar. I like this. .o.

Re-uploaded 02:24, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Her other images seem to have more distinct stripes. Could you maybe make them match more? They also seem to be a bit lighter on her others, too. Other than that, a lovely image 8D 20:14, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could ya' make the stripes a little less greenish to match the warrior? Bb un   legs  20:30, April 18, 2013 (UTC)