Talk:Longtail

Concerns

 * Cut out unneeded information in the Sunrise section. Much better, could still be slightly improved.
 * Improve history for Long Shadows Done.
 * Eye color and long tail citation I removed them as no citation was provided. 21:16, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Expand Into the Wild section. He doesn't only appear in the fight.
 * Needs some quotes and a main quote . ♥ Holly  feather ™♥ 18:25, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs warrior image.

he isn't that young
longtail is almost as old as mousefur but the Erins still keep saying he is so young and fit because if he is old then sandstorm,dustpelt,graystripe and firestar are old.

I thought he was supposed to be a bit older than them; after all, he was already a warrior when Firestar (Rusty) joined the clan. Sandstorm, Dustpelt, Graystripe, and Firestar were all apprentice-age then. But he's not elder-age, yet; remember, he's only retired because of his failing sight. --Russetstripe 03:17, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

He is still very young because he had been a warrior for two moons when Rusty joined ThunderClan. Which makes him only about four moons older than Sandstorm, Dustpelt, Graystripe, and Firestar. Please sign your name at the end of each post on a talk page. --Whitestorm17 03:24, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's weird because in the books it keeps saying that Mousefur is older than Longtail but she was a warrior after him in the Into the Wild alliegiences.-- Nightshine Let it snow! 21:25, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

The Allegiances don't go in order of age. We know that she's older, because he was a new warrior at the beginning of ItW, and she had already been a warrior for quite some time. BP also shows this. ☛ ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ ☚

I just read Into the Wild, and it reveals that he was made a warrior two moons ago. ♥Featherblaze♥ Meow to me!  18:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, they're not really that close. Longtail, as said already, was only a warrior for 2 moons before Into the Wild, but Mousefur is older than Mistystar. -- Gοlδεnpαω A p p a r e ! 02:00, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

And a BIG part of it might be the fact that he was forced to retire while Mousefur retired of old age. ➪'❀❤Dappleclaw❤❀'GO SHADOWCLAN!!! 20:19, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

He's not as old as Mousefur, because Mousefur was an elder of old age when he was only a young warrior. But in either The Fourth Apprentice or Fading Echos, Jayfeather mentions thats he's not as young as he used to be. -Mallie

Longtail was a young warrior at the beginning of the series. When he had to retire, he was a senior warrior. Anyway, this should be taken to the forums. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 01:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Longtail's kin
On the OFFICIAL Warriors website, it says that Dappletail's Daughter's are Willowpelt and Spottedleaf, Patchpelt isn't Willowpelt's brother as far as im concerned, and Longtail and Graystripe Half-Brothers, they have the same father (yes, Patchpelt) but Willowpelt is only Graystripe's Mother, and Robinwing is Longtail's Mother.

Longtail's mother is Robinwing and his father is Patchpelt. - Vixenpelt.

color
Is he a brown tabby or silver? I've seen a lot of people draw him as brown but in one of the first arc books it said something about his fur being silver.

Other than that, I don't think it specifies. Did Erin Hunter say anything about it?

It says that he is a 'pale tabby with black stripes', so theoretically, he could be pale brown or pale gray, but personally I've always pictured him as brown... insaneular   Talk  16:30, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

Under longtails names it should say that he was called longkit when he was a kit and longpaw when he was an apprentice. This is obvious. Can someone put it up. Clara My Talk Page 13:20, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's not obvious; it's possible that he had a name change at some point. Also the name list is to denote ranks they have been seen as, and he was never seen as a kit or apprentice. insaneular   Talk  19:40, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. What insane said. Halftail was formerly Sparrowpelt, but I think Bluestar or Sunstar...? I don't know but changed his name. Willowpool 00:54, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought he'd look a little like this: http://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/21/2143/11BCD00Z/jane-burton-domestic-cat-young-tabby-point-siamese.jpg  Dark hallows 07:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rising Storm, pg 268, Fireheart could just make out Sandstorm's pale ginger flank, rising and falling steadily next to Longtail's silver tabby back. silver  squid   {  m e  o w    ! } 09:59, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to add on: RS pg 306, (Erin might be referring to Mousefur, I'm not sure), ...and Mousefur's eyes shone brightly in the growing darkness as Fireheart hurried across to join them. "Longtail," he meowed, pausing briefly beside the brown warrior. "You will be senior warrior here. Guard the Clan well." silver  squid   {  m e  o w    !   }  10:26, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * i have read the books about five times over (im an 'over the top fan ;)) and yes, he stops by Mousefur. dont worry, it got me the first time (and others i must admit) as well. 72.70.201.35 12:21, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Riverripple
 * WillowpooI, think you are talking about one-eye, she used to be white-eye, but in Bluestar's Prophecy it said she lost her blind eye... which is weird because in Into the wild it said she had a clouded, sightless eye.151.203.59.164 17:27, August 13, 2010 (UTC)Emberstarfireclan
 * Actually, yes, she did. recently tui sutherland came to my school (AWMAHGAWD AI KNOW x3) and specified that he IS silver with black stripes, then continued that a pale golden-brown cat with pitch-black stripes isnt exactly geneticly possible (srsly, thats like having a pure white cat with black stripes), so i think you should change the pics.151.203.59.164 17:27, August 13, 2010 (UTC)Emberstarfireclan
 * I thought he was a creamy color with black stripes like daisy's color Grizzlyclaw00 05:10, January 9, 2011 (UTC)Grizzlyclaw00
 * WHY IS HE DIFFERENT COLORS IN HIS PIXELS?! HE'S A CAT, NOT A CHAMELEON!Cardinalfire1234 04:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)CardinalFire1234
 * But it's not impossible for him to be pale golden with dark stripes. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_U11TGREFmmLZN61I7TCpO9o6KBDBfr1AjekjmHc7tfewTAaG
 * And if she's supposed to be talking about genetic possibilities what about Blackstar? He's bright white with jet black paws how does that make any scense? Anyone see an image of a cat that looks like Blackstar? Or Redtail able to make a kit with Brindleface when he's a tortiseshell tom? I think she's just being silly.
 * He is a creamy color with dark stripes! And even if it is not possible, do the Erins really care about genatics? (I spelled it wrong I know!)  And Blackstar, Redtail, and even Squirrelflight all don't make a lot of sense. So just make him cream and black... It will stop all of these fires -__- 71.49.7.237 20:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)Rosefur
 * HE'S SILVER UNTIL MENTIONED OTHERWISE. STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS. -- 20:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought he was a creamy color with black stripes like daisy's color Grizzlyclaw00 05:10, January 9, 2011 (UTC)Grizzlyclaw00
 * WHY IS HE DIFFERENT COLORS IN HIS PIXELS?! HE'S A CAT, NOT A CHAMELEON!Cardinalfire1234 04:53, February 6, 2011 (UTC)CardinalFire1234
 * But it's not impossible for him to be pale golden with dark stripes. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_U11TGREFmmLZN61I7TCpO9o6KBDBfr1AjekjmHc7tfewTAaG
 * And if she's supposed to be talking about genetic possibilities what about Blackstar? He's bright white with jet black paws how does that make any scense? Anyone see an image of a cat that looks like Blackstar? Or Redtail able to make a kit with Brindleface when he's a tortiseshell tom? I think she's just being silly.
 * He is a creamy color with dark stripes! And even if it is not possible, do the Erins really care about genatics? (I spelled it wrong I know!)  And Blackstar, Redtail, and even Squirrelflight all don't make a lot of sense. So just make him cream and black... It will stop all of these fires -__- 71.49.7.237 20:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)Rosefur
 * HE'S SILVER UNTIL MENTIONED OTHERWISE. STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS. -- 20:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * And if she's supposed to be talking about genetic possibilities what about Blackstar? He's bright white with jet black paws how does that make any scense? Anyone see an image of a cat that looks like Blackstar? Or Redtail able to make a kit with Brindleface when he's a tortiseshell tom? I think she's just being silly.
 * He is a creamy color with dark stripes! And even if it is not possible, do the Erins really care about genatics? (I spelled it wrong I know!)  And Blackstar, Redtail, and even Squirrelflight all don't make a lot of sense. So just make him cream and black... It will stop all of these fires -__- 71.49.7.237 20:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)Rosefur
 * HE'S SILVER UNTIL MENTIONED OTHERWISE. STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS. -- 20:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * HE'S SILVER UNTIL MENTIONED OTHERWISE. STOP ARGUING ABOUT THIS. -- 20:30, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Eyes
Is it possible that he had a scar on his eyes? Because the cause of his blindness was that a rabbit scratched him. So it is probable that the rabbit also got part opf his fur, not just the eye.-- Artimas Hunter Warning! This user is reasonably insane! 21:46, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's not confirmed, so we can't say that. Sorry, though it is fully possible. -- Bramble 04:47, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Did it ever say he had blue eyes? I don't mind it on the charart, but we can't really put it in the description unless we can cite it. Like on Whiteclaw's page, we wouldn't put "Dark tom with one white paw and green eyes", just because his charart had green eyes. We can't cite he had green, so we don't put it. Isn't it the same deal with Longtail? I don't ever remember it saying that he had blue eyes; infact, I always pictured him with green Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 05:03, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nightfall, read farther in the series! i read all the books, even the book that came out like, 2 months ago called Fading Echos, and later in the series it says, i think in Eclipse " Hollypaw stared into Longtail's blank,blue gaze." So Longtail does have blue eyes. Swallowstream 15:16 May18,2010

Swallowstream, no one cares if you read all the books, this is no place to brag about it. And Nightfall did read all the books, you could have gotten that by simply looking at her userpage. Maybe it did mention that Longtail had blue eyes, and she just either forgot or overlooked it. When you read a book, you don't memorize every single word of it. Please stop being rude to users, or us at the wiki will take action. --Dragonfrost 00:49, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well whatever the matter, we need to cite it because it has a [source?] thing on the page and people will delete it if it's not cited. Could somebody look? I will look through the books I have but I don't have them all. Thanks! Whitestorm17 18:21, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

I can search for the source, I have all my books right here on the shelf. Should I look in Eclipse? Ambersky 18:27, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, if you don't find it in Eclipse go ahead and search in the rest of The Power of Three. If you find it go ahead and refrence it then tell us here. Thank You, this helps a lot! Whitestorm17 19:20, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Ear?
In his description it says he has a nick in his ear, yet his Elder image doesn't. His warrior image does though. Birchy I am a warrior at heart...  20:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

That is for project Charat to handle Silverstar  I am Leader of Shineclan!  00:53, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'll tell Bramble about it on her talk page. Rain whisker  武士貓  02:05, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I feel sad that Longtail died Mousefur liked him too :(71.61.138.150 20:45, May 3, 2010 (UTC)LeapordStar

So it doesn't say it on his elder description? Well, i suppose people just got tired of hearing it(srsly tho, by then you KNOW about his nick).Emberstarfireclan

Longtail's Father
I know that a lot of the information on the family trees on the official website is wrong, but should we list Patchpelt as Longtail's father or not?  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  21:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I strongly suspect that Speckletail and Smallear are Longtail's parents. Reasons: Speckletail is a pale tabby. Snowkit had blue eyes, so that must be somewhere in the family. It is strongly hinted in the original series that Speckletail had more than 2 litters of kits. Doesn't this make sense??  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  21:35, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

No, we aren't adding Patchpelt as Longtail's father; Why should we? Like you stated, the "official" website is false. As for your theroy about Longtail's parents being Speckletail and Smallear... I agree with that idea, but we can't add it without proof, even though it's entirely possible. --Dragonfrost 00:49, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Dragonfrost. Whitestorm17 04:01, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Vicky has since confirmed Longtail's parentage on Facebook and so his family has been added.. (actually, she confirmed it in May..) Although the Speckletail+Smallear theory makes much more sense.Ambersky 18:27, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Longtail's father is Patchpelt. -Vixenpelt.

Pixel
Um, the discription says longtail is a pale gray tabby, but the pixel is pale brown!!!! -Mallie

This should be taken up with PCA. 22:12, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

But they say he's pale ginger w/ black stripes all the time! ~Ocean

They never have. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 04:33, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, everyone. With all this debate about color, I thought I might add that it would be entirely possible that in Rising Storm (pg. 268) Longtail's fur could simply be reflecting the moonlight, turning it silver. I mean, at the moonstone it said that Bluestar's and even Tigerstar's (then Tigerclaw's) dark pelt was turned siIver by the moon. I,personally, have always imagined him as honey-brown colored with thin black stripes. I found the perfect picture to show you: http://journeyofwildclan.webs.com/IMG_2400.JPG P.S. If you can, write back. I want to hear your opinion! =P

That's the normal color for a golden brown tabby. Hardly pale. -- 21:05, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

I know. I have another picture up there now. It's better. Write back if you agree with my previous post! =3 24.180.3.253 02:02, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

To whoever wrote "[...] I thought I might add that it would be entirely possible that in Rising Storm (pg. 268) Longtail's fur could simply be reflecting the moonlight, turning it silver." I feel I should state that if that were true, Sandstorm's pelt would also be called silver. But her pelt was still described as pale ginger, so your theory can't be correct. Emberstarfireclan 21:42, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but it was only discribing Longtail at the time ( I think. X3) 24.180.3.253 03:57, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Who says this 'silver tabby back' issue is not a mistake? There have been many mistakes in the books before.

It could very well be a mistake. But since there is so little evidence of Longtail's color, we need to utilize whatever the Erins give us. It needs to be taken seriously.Emberstarfireclan 12:26, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a mistake unless it can be contradicted. -- 16:36, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sprite
Since when was Longtail gray? Nothing ever says that! He's just a pale tabby. His elder sprite is also different from his warrrior sprite which is the same as his old one. Him being gray has never been cited, therefore I think we should put back the old sprite. 70.189.121.207 15:30, August 21, 2010 (UTC)CinderLion

It says he is silver in Rising Storm( not in the allegances). Besides, does a yellow cat with black stripes make much sense to you?Emberstarfireclan 23:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this. The elder sprite is well done, but, I'm sorry. It looks nothing like Longtail's warrior sprite. When I looked, I thought that I must've gone to the wrong page or something. ♥ Skye-Chan™ ♥ Living In a Dream 18:54, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is not the place to discuss Charart. 19:10, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Please enlighten me as to where to discuss the Charart for Longtail. I'm a little confused, since it does relate to the article. ♥ Skye-Chan™ ♥ Living In a Dream 17:03, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

All chararts are handled by PCA. Here is the link, if you wish to join. 19:04, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

@ Emberstarfireclan: Where are you getting that he's yellow? A pale tabby and yellow are two different things. And could you tell me the page number for where it says Longtail's pelt is silver? I have a copy of this book, and I'd love to check it out myself. ♥ Skye-Chan™ ♥ Kelsey Morgan x Jimmy (8.26.2010) 13:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

@Skye-Chan

Well, for one, almost everyone draws him as a pale yellow, brown, gold, or cream (his warrior charart is yellowish). I have actually seen a very small amount of people who ever draw him gray.Emberstarfireclan 15:57, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm also not certain about the page number because i dont own the book but Fireheart was in the warrior den when he said he could see Longtail's "silver tabby back"Emberstarfireclan 15:57, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ooops, not in the warrior den. It was mentioned on page 268, when they were in Riverclan during the fire.Emberstarfireclan 13:00, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Longtail is officially a PALE TABBY. Which is like a darker, brownish cream color, like Speckletail. If Speckletail (and Longtail's warrior image) are both this color, his elder charart needs to be changed.

Brindleface on tree
On the tree, shouldn't we add Brindleface's family? I mean, Ashfur and Ferncloud are her children. Or, would that be too much, with Ferncloud and her many children? -- HR Help! There's a badger on my tail! 18:49, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Brindleface's family has its own tree. -- 16:30, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Code of the Clans.
I was re-reading CoTC today, and I noticed that in the story about when Poppydawn died with Darkstripe and Longtail, And when he was out hunting he was referred as Longstripe once. I don't have the book with me for the exact quote, but should we put that in the trivia? LEROYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JENKINS! :D 01:55, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's probably just a typo on the editor's part. I don't know if it's neccessary or not - see what everyone else thinks. I personally think it should. We've included it in Tawnypelt's article when she was called Tawnypaw in Dawn. ♥ Holly feather ™♥

I think so, it seems like a good idea. Emberstarfireclan 16:39, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Edit:

Hollyfeather! Your sig attached to my text and i can't unlink it!Emberstarfireclan 16:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.... Another char who didn't appear in Bluestar's Prophecy... --Lord Bluestripe  Eulaliiiiiiaaa! 17:40, April 22, 2011 (UTC)--

Bluestar's Prophecy??
Wasn't there mention of a certain Longkit in Bluestar's Prophecy? I dunno

--Dawnbreeze

Nah. Emberstarfireclan 12:29, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Quote?
I have a good quote that he said, but I don't know how to post it. Help!

-*Honeycloud*

Longtail's pelt is not pale silver; Here is why.
'''Hey, It's Vixenpelt here. I believe that Longtail is not pale silver. Here are the reasons.'''

In the short manga at the end of Bluestar's prophecy, Longtail's grayscale image is white. Most pale silver cats, such as Silverstream and Feathertail, are colored a very light gray. In this little manga, Longtail is white, like most cream-colored cats. I've always thought that Longtail had a pale, yellowish cream colored pelt with black stripes. I'd love to edit the image even if he really is silver. Because now, they show exactly where his stripes are. Aparently, there are only black stripes on his face and tail and paws, If I remember correctly.

Also, he has been mentioned as pale brown more then once. So why is it that this wiki has chosen to make his pixel pale silver, when both colors have been mentioned. Please add onto this. Thanks.

- Vixenpelt; 6/21/11

That manga also happens to depict Lionheart as a solid color, when he is a tabby. If he's been mentioned as pale brown, prove it with a citation. If there's nothing to back up the information, it can't be put on the wiki. -- 23:39, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

But all of the cream cats have been drawn in white. That is my point. Why wouldn't they draw him in light gray?

In the mangas, most tabbys have a solid coloring.

- Vixenpelt.

Relying on the manga for a description of a cat who has a canon description is about as reliable as relying on the covers or on Cats of the Clans. -- 17:12, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

blind
Shouldn't it say that he is blind?-Redfern 11:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)