Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Hollowpaw (A) - Withdrawn
Added the white belly. Original artist: Hawktalon Darkhallows   Enter the cave? 03:39, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Blur a bit more where the white meets the brown.  Law liet  Li ght 03:57, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Nice! there's a strip of white right next to the arm/front leg, so make that match in color :) 04:06, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Great job! Blur the white part more.  16:32, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Woo. ;3 Smudge the white, a bit, too. Andmake the earpink smaller.  01:57, July 15, 2011 (UTC) Looking good!  16:07, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? 17:36, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I've been having problems with my art program, and can't use my tablet at the moment, so... no I can't really work on anything. I'll withdraw this for now, sorry. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 09:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Would anyone like to take over before this is archived? 00:57, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Mousefang (W) - Tweaked
Shading fail. Anyways, Here's Mousefang. I redid the shading, but I don't think I like the pattern. Might choose another pattern for this one. Anyways, comments? 05:18, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Oh!

And I believe the original artist was Shaf Girl :) 05:20, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

All I can say is define the shading alittle and make the earpink fill in the ear correctly--

The eye is misshapen, blur shading on the chest, thicken shading on the haunch a tad, make the earpink proper, and I'm pretty sure you're supposed to shade/highlight the tail the other way.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:05, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Plus, the erpink looks a little missapen at the bottom, and the chest shading needs to go on the chin as well. The eye color is too neon. 14:02, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink, and blur teh shading on the chest. 16:49, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could, darkened eye, fixed eye, darkened earpink, lightened shading at some parts, fixed tail shading, added chin shading, fixed anglement of the earpink...and... yeah. xD 17:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink a bit more. :P 19:29, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 23:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Changes were showing, but not anymore. It stopped showing the changed before those two past comments, but it wouldn't let me edit xD 00:03, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, changes are showing again. Sorry I was at the beach all day, re-comments? 01:57, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is blotchy. Would you like me to help as I did with Whitewing, or can you do it? Mintstar  This time for Africa!  02:05, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on her neck. Looks great otherwise~ Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  19:37, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could. Mintstar: I'm sorry that you're doing all this for me ^^' You don't have to blur it though, but thanks anyways :D Getting a new computer soon, it will be great starting from scratch.. 19:09, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great, just blue the earpink a tad more~ Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  20:41, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks :D 00:54, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ear pink still looks kinda crooked --

Re-uploaded. 03:21, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the neck shading under the ear and the stomach shading where the haunch meets the upper body, close to the back. 03:22, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 18:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the neck shading. 21:53, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading looks a little too concentrated, if you know what I mean. Maybe it's just me ♔  S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 07:56, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'll fix it. Just letting everyone know that the changes are no longer showing. 16:00, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is blotchy, and I don't think blurring it will help. Try redoing it? Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  22:48, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm working on this, just trying to do it all on GIMP. GIMP is new to me so it might take a day or so. It'll be up by tomorrow. Sorry. 17:24, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, Re-uploaded. I know the shading needs to be blurred some, but here is my GIMP version ^^' Never to use Pixlr again...hopefully :3 Thanks to Frostheart who gave me her GIMP tutoiral on Teamviewer...lol. 18:26, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Add/darken shading on the haunch. Lovely! Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 18:32, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'll fix that little strange line next reupload. Do you think I should darken the legs? :P And thanks Snowdazzle :D 01:20, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink, highlights and shading, lighten the higlights and they're are pink blots in the background, I'm not sure if you'd notice it, so I made a picture. Also, shorten the neck shading. ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 11:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are fine. I'm proud of you Splashpelt XD, but do redden the earpink, and I know it's hard to find the right color for the ear on these colored cats. Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights with the shading more. 16:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Pull the earpink down- so that the bottom most tip of the earpink is a little bit closer to the bottom most tip of the ear itself. Also blur the shading and highlights more.

Sorry, forgot to sign above. Sa lc  ie  21:04, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste around the charart (e.g. above the ear, beside the muzzle, under the tail, etc) 14:12, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hate this image so much. Rainwhisper helped me out some because I've worked so hard on the shading xP 15:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The original artist was Bramble. Now, this might sound stupid, but I think the colour is all wrong now. She looks more ginger than sandy brown... might I suggest going back to the original approved version (before previous Tweak Weeks) and editing that one to improve the shading, whilst keeping the gorgeous colour the original image had? Just my two cents. 21:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The image at the top of this section is half-covered in a light, yellowish mist thing. It looks weird, and the yellow mist lightens the lineart to a grayish-yellow in some places.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yellowfang (W)~ Tweaked
Original artist was Icestorm. The ears needed to be torn. I wasnt sure if i shouldgive her snaggly teeth, more scars, and messy fur like Thistleclaw, what do you guys think? 19:41, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the lineart on the torn ears thicker. Along with your suggestions, all her chararts should depict her with a broad, flattened, Persian-like face (Vicky confirmed to me that she is of Persian decent) 19:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivy on the flattened muzzle, but skip out on the long teeth. If Stonetooth's art doesn't depict his long teeth, this one shouldn't either. 19:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 04:02, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink. Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:15, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ear pinks not my problem. 16:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the smudging on her pelt a tad? You don't want to lose it, but at the same time it does stand out a little. This is coming along nicely! 21:12, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 14:07, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Make the line-art under the muzzle smoother, It bends in a little on it's way down the neck. ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 11:36, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job with the muzzle, by the way. 20:52, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink? It looks whiteish to me. 02:09, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mhm, make it darker. 00:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Shade the area between her haunches and her front legs. You might also want to shade the back leg that's furthest from us. Fawngaze 19:57, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Weaselfur (W) - Tweaked
Well, original artist was Sandy, the shading needed to be blured, and because all the other ginger images needed stripes, heck, I gave him stripes too ;3. Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  22:56, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes smaller, I think. Now he looks less ginger, more brown. 00:50, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should lighten the stripes a bit. They look too dark. I always thought stripes on ginger cats weren't prominent, and you can't really tell that they have them. Well, with this, you can tell. Okay, I'm done rambling. All in all, this looks really good! 11:15, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I redid it. Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  17:54, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look really, really blotchy. They don't even look like stripes. 19:10, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this looks really weird...I'm NOT trying to be mean, it just looks like the pelt is watercolored or something. You might want to redo it. The white part of the paws coming onto the arms need to be blurred into the pelt a little, and the earpink looks neon. 20:19, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

There's an odd line coming out of his chest and a dot behind his head, floating in space. And I agree with them, it does look a little blotchy, but I think it's cool. 21:31, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

And their's a small red dot outside the charart. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 22:10, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I already said that. 02:33, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink a bit smaller, and there's loads of blurred lineart. And yeah, I agree with Ivystripe: The pelt looks watercoloured, but it's nice that way, I think, and get rid of the extra white above the white on the foot closest to us. It's messy. And the back lineart looks a tad thick. You might want to redo this.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 02:44, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I redid it. Again ;3. Better? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  15:16, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. But I think the lineart onhis shoulder is blurred a bit. It might just be a dark stripe fooling my eyes, though. 16:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on his haunch and chest/jaw area are too dark. Smudge them or lighten them.  HA WK FI RE98  16:56, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on his chest stops as a straight line, making it look unnatural. Maybe curve it a little. 17:56, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Again with the too much brown. D: If the stripes were this prominent, the books would've described him as a tabby. Most ginger cat's stripes don't show much. 17:59, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Add the pupil in the eye.Dovey Newbie! 20:09, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The blue lines mark where the line-art has collided with the fur, and the yellow is to mark you should de-saturate that area. Blur the highlights and white paws. Other then that, nice. ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 11:41, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I don't know what to do with the stripes..... 3; Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  17:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty. x3 Just define some of the stripes on the back. 20:29, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Try blurring the stripes on the tail some. 22:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the upper half of the chest shading, as it seems a bit too dark. 08:15, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

It looks really good! Except the earpink looks blotchy. 16:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Better? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  13:40, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the place where ginger meets white on the back leg more. 02:11, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Changes aren't showing... Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  15:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest and the haunch and define the ear pink a bit. Lighten the ear pink as well. 00:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Mistystar (W) - For Approval
Finally works! :D I'm proud of her, too. 15:29, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Original artist? Revisions done? The shading on the back near the shoulder looks really thick. Either lighten it, or thin it out. Make the earpink triangular. 16:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Make the color more like her leader/kit image(s). Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  16:45, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Along with the earpink being triangular, it also needs to be larger. 19:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Make the eye color a but more blue. I think its to dark. 21:10, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: I don't know who the originial artist was since Sandy renamed the file so I don't really know. I changed the color of the image and made the shading on the back thinner. I made the ear pink more triangular shaped and made the eyes a bit more blue. 23:36, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shoulder highlight, and make the earpink bigger. 00:40, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

She looks almost white... 00:54, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

She's too light, Icey. Try using the colors from her deputy image. Also, I think Sandy was the original artist. I can ask her if you need to know; I talk to her on Skype. 08:10, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make it darker to match her other images. Dovey Newbie! 13:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Make the image MUCH darker, and match the shading to her other chararts. :) Beautiful! The ear pink needs to be bigger and smudged a little bit. Lighten her eye color as well.  HA WK FI RE98  16:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: The highlights were the one that made her white, sorry for the excessive highlights xD However I matched her color to her deputy's image, and re-did the shading and highlights. 00:27, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Darken it to match her leader image, which is currently up for tweak approval:

This's pelt colour is better. And if her deputy image is this colour ^, then that should be redone, too.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I like this color more than that. And since the deputy image is already approved, the leader's color should match that. 13:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't the deputy image need to be re-coloured to blue-grey? Swatter of flies..... 13:56, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it still needs tweaking. Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:14, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Since that image is approved...I changed it to the color of the leader's image. 15:01, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is a small circle, it needs to be triangular. Nice job, Icestorm! Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:05, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

That and blur the highlights. :3 19:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Blurred highlights and made the ear pink triangular. Thanks, Mintstar. 19:49, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

the earpink in too bright Oh no! emergency!   C a <font color="#363636">n <font color="#4D4D4D">y <font color="#636363">o <font color="#787878">n <font color="#8A8A8A">s <font color="#A1A1A1">o <font color="#B0B0B0">n <font color="#C2C2C2">g   <span style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#000000;border:1px solid;-moz-border-raiuds:1em;color:#CC1100;">Candypaw to the rescue!   23:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: 00:27, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink a little taller. 02:25, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Let's see.....oh! You should shade the area between her haunches and her front legs and the back leg furthest from us. Fawngaze 20:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Jayfeather (Kit) - Redone
Original artist was either Fawnstorm or Elorisa. Um...yeah, I added mottles to the paws, and since the tail was already short...I didn't make the tail shorter so yeah. 18:18, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

He needs more stripes, especially on the head. 19:05, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink bigger....it is like a dot, do as Ivystripe said, he looks like Ashfur(TC)'s kit image a bit, Make the nose color, a lot more gray-pink, like Feathertail's kit image, maybe even Stromfur or Crowfeather....Lighten the tailshdaing a tad, and blur it a bit, ok? Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 20:22, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

The nose has to be gray, not gray-pink. Also, the original artist was Fawnstorm, then Elorisa tweaked it, I do believe. Blur the tabby markings. =) 08:04, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: I made the nose gray and added stripes to the head and I made the ear pink bigger. 00:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes more like the apprentice/warrior images. I know that's kind of hard to do on kits, but just add some more waves and like oomf. lol. xD get rid of the dots. Make the earpink more triangular/bigger. xD 02:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes should be more of a pale blue, like in his MC art. 02:28, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The eye on <--- this side looks kind of weird. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 21:09, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: I re-did the stripes so it matched the apprentice image. 14:44, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

This is much better than yesterday's :) Anyway, blur the shading on his lower parts, lighten the front legs a tad(at the top, I think only his paws shall be dark). And tone down the earpink a bit, redden it, make them slightly more triangular.- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:teal">Kitties Rule! 01:49, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Lol, thanks xD I re-uploaded it. 02:06, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink is to red, and too small. And the nose pink is also too red. The pelt color is a little bit too dark also. 02:58, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think the pelt color is fine - and how is the ear pink too small? It fits basically half the ear. 12:44, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes on the tail. make the earpink more triangular and tone down the colour a bit. xD 19:38, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Toned down the ear pink and made it more triangular, and defined stripes on tail. 21:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Shade the area between his front paws since it's technically under him. And could you fix the ear pink in his ear? One looks very neat, triangular, and doesn't take up the whole ear while the other takes up all the space. Fawngaze 20:03, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (W) - Tweaked(Redone)
Yuck. The mottles look messy to me, and I didn't want to overblur them. I couldn't work with the original image, so I made a new one. He needed mottles and his original artist was Bramble, I believe. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  19:12, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the mottle closest to his face. XD Make them smaller and smudge them into his pelt to give them a furry texture. Make his spiky fur outside the lineart, if you know what I mean. Erase the lineart and add spikes of fur then close it together?  HA WK FI RE98  19:27, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, mottles are supposed to be smaller than that. It's a bunch of little spots of darker and lighter color. Also, I was just about the suggest the spiky fur outside the lineart xD But if you need an example, you could check out Kinkfur's warrior charart. 19:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the mottles a little, at least. If you're worried about messing up his fur, then add the two details on separate layers to they don't affect eachother. 00:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you need to make the fur look more spiky and sticky-out. Dovey Newbie! 20:17, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I got the lineart from Kinkfur's(credit to who made that.) <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  19:42, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should make the base pelt color mottled, and then add darker mottled patches like his description says. Also, why is the tail like a brown-gray color? Make it the same color as his pelt. Oh and blur the mottles a lot. 20:20, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, I think this looks more bushy than spiky. Maybe have all of the fur sticking out face the same direction? You may have to do some lineart editing, but it would help. Also, keep the original spikes that were on his sides, otherwise he looks flat. 20:22, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Someone else can work on it, I'm taking over Mistystar. And the spiky fur is fine as it is. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take over ;3 So uh Reuploaded And before you tell me to change it to a .png, I can't because my computer doesn't let me upload .png files :P 15:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Add some more mottles. :3 The white face is a bit too dark, so brighten that up. 15:51, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my suggestion. :D I think it looks much better now. 17:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Change the file name to Thistleclaw.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 17:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart, I've said this before; I can't make it a .png because my computer won't upload it. 23:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

You want me to re-upload it for you under the proper file name? 14:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I reuploaded it under the .png filename, but the changes aren't showing... They should eventually, because when you upload a different one, the file changes show. So, give it some time to catch up. for crying out loud, this image thing gives me a headache. Anyways, second one down has the right image.>.> 14:12, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not working. Sorry, Nightflower. =( 14:39, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I give up. I'll just set it back to the other one. Maybe someone else can get it to work... 15:06, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the muzzle/face part. ;3 -- 16:04, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

He needs White shoulders(Gosh, it may look weird....)

The ear pink is blotchy and it's to light. Maybe darken it? 00:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Add some fur sticking out towards the bottom of his tail. 02:24, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed Thistleclaw's page so it's showing your work. :3 All I can say it there's a line of gray going through the ear pink that needs to be fixed. 15:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tawnyspots (W)- Tweaked
The Original artist was Darkhallows. All I did was change the earpink color and re-shaped it. 02:51, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Straighten out the base of it a tad. 03:56, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

There's a loose speck in front of his feet. 18:53, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 00:31, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Still there. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 13:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

It's because the changes aren't showing. 00:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink seems to curve... <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:03, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

It's because the changes still aren't showing... when the dot in front of the paws is gone, then you are seeing the new version. 14:17, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should define the stripes a bit to match the elder art. Also, the blotch on the top of his snout looks a but awkward. 15:28, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Mothflight (MC) - Redone
Originally by either Icethroat21 or Bramble. The shading needed to be blurred and the earpink needed to be fixed. I ended up just pretty much redoing the whole thing. I wanted to get this, and Pinefur up before Tweak Week was over, but I actually won't be able to work on it at all this week. I'm going camping. So please don't decline this or Pinefur, I'll be back by next monday. Maybe even this saturday. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 00:31, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

This looks good, but maybe you should lightne the shading just a little. 13:55, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the shading is way too strong. Also, add a light part to the ear furthest away. 02:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the area between her haunches and front legs. And the shading is a little darker than it should be. Fawngaze 20:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Pinefur (W) - Redone
Originally by Sandstar12. The stripes needed to be blurred (and the shading could have used some work) but I couldn't manage to blur them right without ruining the whole image. And I like doing tabbies, so I figured I'd just remake it. she only has one image anyways. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 00:31, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Add a stripe to merge the chest stripes and leg stripes better. Sorry that's vague. xD 01:20, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, her fur needs to be blended better. The back leg furthest from us should be shaded or darkened, you can partially darken the stripe that goes between Pinefur's haunch and leg, and maybe lighten the tip of the fathest ear? Fawngaze 20:10, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (W) - Redone
Meh, Froon convinced me to get off my lazy butt and do a charart :] This charart was originally supposed to be tweaked, but I was having issues with the shading, so I just redid it :P 02:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink a bit more ;3 First Foxleap, and now Russetfur... We think alike cuz' ;D 03:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Change the file name to Russetfur.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 03:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Meh, the changes aren't showing xP Oh, and I can't make it a .png because my computer won't let me upload it if it's a .png. 03:58, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

And FYI, the changes don't show when I first put the picture there for me too, but they appear after you publish it. Odd. Lol. 04:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're meant to say who did the charart before it was tweaked? I believe it was Dawnleaf :D. This is really pretty. Lighten the earpink though and there is a garbage around the top of the tail, a brown pixel I think :3 This is good Nighty! ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 08:07, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (D) - Redone
Russetfur's deputy charart. She needed stripes, so I redid her overall. Original artist was Echomist. Anyways, comments? 01:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Changes aren't showing...but who knows about these things xD 01:59, July 27, 2011 (UTC) (re-uploaded the image :3)

Darken the shading and make the stripes more like her other image. :3 02:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 02:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Changes won't show >.< (Edit: I renamed the file, I got it to show :3) 02:28, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make her look more dark ginger, she looks brown. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  03:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mintclaw, I thought the same thing when I first looked at the pic. It's pretty, though. I haven't even figured out how to work with Adobe Illustrator or Adobe Photoshop.

Re-uploaded. Changes may or may not be showing, but the changed one is darker all together xD And to who ever signed above, remember to sign with four ~'s and refrain from repeating comments ;3 20:40, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be a little more ginger, because the stripes appear brown. But I could be wrong, after all I'm still an apprentice. 22:47, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Ivystripe, it doesn't matter if you were an apprentice or not, you were right xD 01:47, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a ton. Looks good either way. =) 22:10, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Echomist...oh god, I miss her. Um, blur the shading more as Skye stated, make the stripes more...gingerish xD, and blur the ear pink. 00:29, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

You and Nightflower will have to converse, as the pelt markings don't look the same. One of you guys are gonna have to tweak the stripes. 20:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blackstar (L) - Redone
Original artist was Shimmerpool, and he needed scars. I gave him 3, if that's okay. Changes aren't showing. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  03:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wee, good job. Darken the shading a bit more. 13:47, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is really blotchy. 14:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I think it just got more blotchy. Thank you Icestorm! <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:00, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make the scars a little smoother. Also, I don't know if it's possible, but if it IS possible, try giving him an extra digit on his paw(s?) since he is a polydactyl cat. 22:44, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I tried to add another "digit" on his paws, but it didn't look natural, so I left it as it is. If it needs another one, can someone help with that? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:31, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- lotta waste. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:45, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add another scar? 21:10, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:11, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the paws more. Other than that this is great! 00:08, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. You should smudge the paws so the shading doesn't look layered. You should also shade the part of her chest between his legs and such. I think it looks good! Fawngaze 20:14, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Starlingpaw (A) - Tweaked


The original artist was myself. It has been requested that he needs tabby stripes. I've also blended the shading more thoroughly as it wasn't brilliant. 11:49, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe blur the shading just a little bit more? :3 12:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I can't see the tabby stripes, darken them a bit more. 13:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful! Lakewillow 22 16:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)Lakewillow 22


 * Finally the changes are showing up. Silvereye, I'm not sure I can blur the shading any more withou blurring the stripes, but I'll give it a go. Icestorm, can you see them now that the file has updated, or do they still need to be darker? I'm trying to find a middle ground between having the stripes and making sure they're not too dark as he is a ginger cat rather than a ginger tabby as such. Just let me know. 22:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see him. Good job! You might want to darkent he shading a bit more. 23:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded 07:15, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Add a little shading to the left ear -- 07:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The left ear is highlighted due to the direction of the light source coming from the left hand side of the image. There is shading to the right of the image, and highlights along the back and back of the ear. For this reason, the right ear is not highlighted as it would not fall directly into the light, where as the back of the ears would, hence the left ear is highlighted rather than shaded. Hope that makes sense (: 07:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes on his tail (if possible, since the tail is skinny.) <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded 21:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix the lineart on his chest. 21:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (A) - Redone
Original artist was Sandstar12/Goldenpaw. He had to be mottled and given spiky fur- basically he had to match his description. The changes aren't showing yet. 16:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is good, but you might want to blur/ smooth out the lines/spikes that you put in the main fur. Sa lc  ie  20:19, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Your seeing the version that was before the one I made, so if you go to his file page and look at the second image in the image history you'll see what he's supposed to look like. x3 21:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add some more shading to the spiked part of the fur on the body (yes, I'm looking at your newest version...nice!) 22:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mkay the changes are showing now. ;3 I didn't add spiky fur to his body, only to the lineart. There's mottled on the body though. 23:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Give him white shoulders, like it is in his descpitoion. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 19:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:45, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

The white shoulder looks weird from a side-view...I think you should remove it, and just put a dab of white on the shoulder. 21:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well it is in his desc...but I agree it looks WERID..... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 21:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe blend the white a bit more so it looks less shocking? 23:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree about just bledning the white in more. I also think you should dark the leg closest to us since he's sitting and therefore keeping it in the shade. Fawngaze 20:19, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Foxwhisker (W) ~ Tweaked
- Original artist was Hawkfire. Needed shading/tabby markings. If the changes aren't showing, please wait. 16:19, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, they're showing now. =) 19:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes 22:38, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Can't really do anything about that. And anyways, not all ginger cats have super-visible tabby markings. 02:20, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 21:09, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. >.> 21:42, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, look. Two days without comments. Looks like this has been approved. 14:49, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorrysorry I really need to butt in. Darken the stripes a bit, then I'll approve it. 21:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Hope you're happy, cause I think I made it worse. 22:10, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Icecloud (W) ~ Redone
- Original artist was Icecloud33, then it was tweaked by Nightfall. Needed to be redone as a long hair. Changes aren't showing yet. =( 16:21, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Woo, they're showing! 19:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste around the tail, other then that it looks great :D 20:29, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Me and that darn gray waste. xD Anyways, Re-uploaded. 20:42, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blend the shading into the light part of the tail more. 22:25, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 02:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:35, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Add more highlights along the tail, it doesn't look right with only one at the tip. 20:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Still looks like crap. xD 20:47, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink a little bit. 21:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded'. 21:43, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink and darken the shading on the tail. 13:29, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the back portion of the tail, the side facing away from the head. Fawngaze 20:24, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 21:42, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hailstar (L) - Redone
Original artist was Flamingomom3 and he needed his hsading redone. Comments? :3 15:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

A little waste on the back, may be me, :/, but do gray cats have gray noses? It looks odd, gray against gray. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:37, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ya, they can. My cat is grey with a black nose.<font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="5C3B7A" >Your health is <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="B392D3"> low..... 16:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:57, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Excellent job, Roo. Make different shades in the eyes - if you already had, darken them. Darken the shading and blur the ear pink just a tad. Overall, great job. 00:44, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hawkfrost (W) - Tweaked
The original artist was either Sandstar12, Bramble, Moonpelt, or Ashshadow, and he needed a scarred muzzle. I also gave him highlights. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  16:10, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! I don't see anything that can be improved. 16:28, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Can you darken the highlight on the haunch? 20:48, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I believe it was Minnowclaw, dunno. Um highlights are optional...but I guess you could keep them. Darken the shading a tad. 21:17, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

All I had to do was scar his muzzle, but ok. Reuploaded. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the shoulder and ear, and lighten the head spot and blur the spot on the ear a tad. 00:43, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- how's this? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Define the scar on his muzzle. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin.  19:50, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, I really feel as if you should re-do the image. Lighten the tail shading. 21:50, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ryewhisker (W) - Redone
I couldn't work with his old image because of the lack of layers so I created a new one. I really like this one. :3 Comments? 21:42, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the front legs and tail. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 22:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Lightened shading on the front legs and the tail. I forgot the original artist and revisions ;~; Um, the original artist was me and I re-did it. xD 22:30, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

You need to erase some of the shading around the tail. 23:51, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Where...? 23:59, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Never mind :3 00:01, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the earpink. The stripes look kinda like broken and wonky. xD 19:43, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Done. Frostheart, they're supposed to look that way. o3o 19:50, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Whitefang (W) - Tweaked
So yeah. Needed shading added to it. I seem to like white cats. Original artist was Minnowclaw. 22:08, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think you should re-do it it looks a bit messy. Blur the shading thoroughly, make the ear pink more...um...lighter, I guess and lighten the shading. 22:21, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Thanks for the suggestion. 22:24, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

And get rid of the waste ;3 But if you redo it, you'll probably fix it then. 03:15, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

You need to make it match his description - "pure white tom with a tabby-striped tail and brown paws". -- 05:51, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I did NOT see that. Thanks for the heads-up, Golden. 06:00, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Get rid of the shading that has leaked over the lineart. Dovey Newbie! 16:07, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

No comments about the one that is currently up. That's the old one. I'm re-doing it, since I'm having shading issues, and it needs to match the description. =) 16:21, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Jeez, this looks really bad. >.> 21:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nonsense. Blur the shading thoroughly. 21:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Icey, you're nuts. 21:47, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Liek, no. D:< The shading needs a bit more blurring, and maybe lighten the ear pink? 21:49, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. I'll blur more, but if I lighten the ear pink, when I go to blur that, there'll be almost nothing there. XD 21:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

One-eye (E) - Tweaked
She needed thicker shading and highlights, and the original artist was Spottedwing. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:56, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks a little dark, and the ear farthest away from us needs a teensy bit of shading. 21:03, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks like it matches the other images for One-eye. I think you should blend it a little more, though. 02:47, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's supposed to...xD Blur the ear pink and add shading to the face and the head. 21:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar (E) - Tweaked
I pray that none of you ever have to add torn ears to elders. Scarletwind was the original artist and I just added torn ears. 15:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! I don't see anything wrong with this, really, but I'll wait for more comments before approving this. 15:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Could you thicken the lines on the ears so they're the same depth as the other lines? Unless they're supposed to be a little thinner. 21:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I tried that, but it looked really... Just bad. ._. 00:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste where you edited the ears. 00:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Question about Leafstar's images
Ok, I know I put my question in the incorrect place last night, where nobody could see it, so I'm just making a new section for it. On the Nominations page, I had originally put Leafstar's images down as needing cream (I DON'T see cream anywhere on her images), and somebody chnged it to just needing cream stripes. I'm confused as to how she has cream on her: I mostly wanted to clear that up, because I'm doing her queen image, but it'll be hard to make it match if she's not tweaked for the right thing. 16:07, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

There are cream blotches along her haunch, her back, her fore-head, her tail, her stomach, and her left fore-leg. I really like how this is, the cream is nice and soft. I never pictured her with cream blotches patched all over her, I think it was supposed to be much more subtle Night Fall 19:14, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like brownish-ginger to me. Berrynose is cream. 20:17, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well it blends into her pelt more and it looks pretty cream against the brown. It doesn't have to be like Berrynose cream, then it would look kind of odd and stand out too much in my opinion. 17:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like highlights to meWildfire 02:34, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not to me. Highlights are brighter tones of the pelt, but the cream here isn't at all the shade of brown. I think Rainwhisper is right, if we did each cat with the same color of cream, then they wouldn't stand out as individuals. I think every cat that has cream on their fur has a different and unique shade of it. I think she's beautiful as she is Night Fall 02:37, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well, usually when a cat is cream and tabby it means that their stomache and muzzle are totally cream, such as the white on Billystorm. I think the character art is nice, but the cream is unnatural. 19:37, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that they look like highlights. Maybe at least add a cream underbelly, chest, or muzzle, like said above? 19:03, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I just really hoped she gets tweaked soon, because while Tweak Week is going on and I can't submit anything, I want to try to get it as ready as I possibly can, since we have a lot of chararts to do, and I need the right cream color (fyi the cream on all her images ARE in fact different, so one has to be picked for all of them) 20:25, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I want to see it drawn more realistically, too. For once, the cover art on the super edition looks closer to her description. Is it on the list for tweaking? 03:25, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is. 00:42, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Where is that list, anyway? Is it available to the general public? 00:38, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I just don't want to see this image totally redone...one, it's really beautiful as it is, and two, there's nothing that needs to be redone. I can agree that more cream could be added, but I hope that's the only thing that will be done to it Night  Fall 16:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want it completely redone. I just want to see cream added to her chest in a more natural pattern, like how we make any other chararts with descriptions like hers. Just look at Billystorm. He's described as a ginger and white, and we don't just have little white ripples in his fur. We made his chest, tail, paws, and muzzle white. 20:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

She doesn't have to be exactly like Billystorm. I think the image is fine as it is. You can obviously see cream on her fur - but yes, more cream needs to be added, and like Nightfall said, that's the only thing. 21:46, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

New Suggestion
I had an idea after looking at the page for Sunfish, who is only ever given a description by her appearance in the manga at the end of Crookedstar's Promise. If a cat only appears in a manga or isn't described in detail in a book but is shown in a manga, can we go with the manga description? I know there would be color problems, but we could just set the charart to generic colors and put 'tabby', 'totoiseshell', 'mottled', or something like that on the page. Just a thought. 17:46, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

It depends on how the character is drawn. 18:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point. It's not that hard to decipher pelt type in the manga. I really wish we'd use this as a rule. It's how we chose Tadpole's description, isn't it?

I think so. Plus, I think my dad told me something about how you can convert black-and-white into color, although it won't be as high quality as if it was color to black-and-white. 20:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Have we decided on the manga fourm yet? Wild fire  00:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Hi everyone. Look, I'm sorry to ask this again, it's just last time I was wrong about it, but this time I know I'm right. I'm sorry to bother everybody at this busy time, because I asked this already and I know I shouldn't again but...I was added here as a kit on June 22nd and that was a month ago so...can I be added as an apprentice now? I know I asked before, and I'm sorry but, I just need to ask it. Thanks. Shadey  Set Fire to the Wind... 00:53, July 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

This kit system is annoying xD. Sorry Shadey, I'll change you too an apprentice. What does everyone think of adding the date a kit joined to the table, so we don't miss anyone? Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 09:29, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

That is a really good idea. It would save us the hassle of having to go through edit history and all that fun and joyous stuff. 09:30, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, that would help us a lot. ^^' 14:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I joined the wiki on,like,June 4th and joined the PCA a few days later so should I be an apprentice now as well? I know I cant do any chararts until tweak week ends but I dont mind the wait. Dovey Newbie! 09:25, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Joining
Hi. I was wondering if I could become an apprentice in Project: Character Art.

Lakewillow 22 19:55, July 25, 2011 (UTC)Lakewillow 22

Welome to the project! You will be added in as a kit, so you can't do chararts for a month, but in that month if you comment a lot, you'll go up to apprentice. A lead will add you in. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  20:06, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in. ;3 Take a look at our Guidelines and some Tutorals for any help. 21:16, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing Charart
Why was it decided to use gold for Dovewing's eyes? I'm pretty sure we should go with the most often used description of blue, personally. I know gold was the original (even though technically the original from Sunrise was green), but if we went with the original for everything we'd have Rowanclaw as a female. 04:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes, gold IS the original. But Rowanclaw was first described as male, then he turned female, and went back to male, so we ARE going with the original. It wouldn't be pretty if we went with female, since he has a mate and kits. o_O. 14:07, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, look back at the last chapter of Sunrise. It calls Dovekit a light gray she-kit with green eyes. It makes more sense for her to have blue eyes, look at her relatives. Her sister, grandmother, and grandfather all have blue eyes. And the first time Rowanclaw had a description (in Midnight) in the alliengences, is was as a she-cat. In fact, a lot of the earliest descriptions changed over time. Lichenfur's entire appearence changed, and the first four leaders became five and knocked -star off of their names. Why only go with the original ideas that the Erins have changed? Has someone tried to get comfirmation from Vicky on it? 15:40, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart has a point. I believe we should go with the one that was said the most, in my opinion xD 18:42, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

And that's blue. I'm pretty sure her eyes were only called golden one time... just like they were only called green one time (and I'm pretty sure why the artist for the cover of the Fourth Apprentice made her eyes green on the cover). The warrior art for her originally had blue eyes, and was only changed to golden at the end. 19:08, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

We've had thing discussion before, somewhere in the archives, but I disagreed to the conclusion of it. I think we really should go with the most said, not the first. But we've had that rule for awhile in the wiki, so I dunno.

Seriously, I think we should just leave them gold. It only describes her with blue eyes in the allegiances and once in the book. But she's described with gold more than once in the actual book. Mistakes are made on the allegiances all the time, Moonleaf is right, look at Rowanclaw. This has been discussed way too many times before this, and it was decided that her eye color should remain gold. I'm not working my opinion around personal bias by the way, I actually picture her with emerald green eyes; nothing in the books or here will change that. I just think we should just drop it, and stick with gold. If she's mentioned with blue eyes more times in future books, then we'll change it to blue. But for now, gold Night  Fall 16:56, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I just realized I forgot to sign above ^^ So the one above Nightfall was my comment, sorry xD And after reading Nightfall's comment, I agree with her. It isn't like the fate of the world depends on Dovewing's eyes, so we should just leave it. It's no use getting into a whole different discussion on it. 17:44, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
Can somebody add me in as an apprentice? I've been a kit for a month. Thanks! Wild   breath   12:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Do you know the date you were added in as a kit? 14:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I think june 24th. Wild   breath   19:55, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I need an answer by today because I'm going to camp tommorrow. Wild   breath   14:04, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join
Hi! I was wondering, Can I join?

Twilightheart200 17:53, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. Consider reading the Guidelines or maybe look at one of the Tutorials to gain some knowledge on Charart. Thanks for your interest in joining us, 19:14, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Agin...apprentice!
Hello! It´s Leaf-storm agin. Can I be apprentice now? I was made a kit 17.6.2011, I found it in history, thanks! Leaf-storm, 18:40 , July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Course. I'll add you in now, but you can't do art until Tweak Week is over. 19:10, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, and when will it end? And thank you, so much! Leaf-storm, 19:20 , July 29 , 2011 (UTC)

The date now is August 7th, but we're pretty sure it's going to go on longer. 19:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Kit System
I really don't find this fair. I mean, I get why apprentices can't do charart in Tweak Week - but if a user joins a project, it's for the user to participate. Not to wait an entire month before they can. I don't get this, really. I think it's unfair to the users who are looking forward to join the Project. 19:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I second your opinion. Rowanflight (Firestar1122000) 20:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that we get rid of the kit system, or revamp it? if so, you're going to haveto give some sort of special privilidge to apprentices to distinguish the two. Honestly, I like the idea, because when you directly became an apprentice (when I joined), a lot of people joined the project, did a charart and expected it to get approved right away, and when it didn't, they got tiffed and quit the project. The kit system shows a user's devotion to becoming an apprentice. 20:33, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Icestorm. Yeah, I'm a warrior of the project, but, it's not really fair. Also, if a user is a kit, and a new book comes out or something, they have to wait, giving everyone else a chance to get the characters before they can. 20:35, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well, then, we need to decide if we're getting rid of the kit system, or treating them like apprentices and giving a privilidge to the apprentices (I'm not saying that to be greedy, but if you want to keep the kit ranking then you guys are going to have to) 20:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't like the kit system. How about if a user is inactive for more than a month without warning they get removed? Because apparently the entire "kit system" was because users weren't active or something like that... 22:46, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know...I thought it was because new apprentices got pissy when their art got critiqued. 22:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I also had another thought. We could shorten the amount of time a user is a kit, example, a week? 00:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree we need the kit system because some people leave once they learn how to make one for themselves but a month is too long so maybe a week or two just so they can learn. Wild fire  00:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

If we get enough people to agree, I think it should go to a vote. I think a week (and a half?) might be a good amount of time to make a user a kit 01:12, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

That seems fair, to shorten the span. I agree to the comments above as well, I didn't really pay attention to the kit system, but now I see what you all are saying. Many kits in the past had wanted to do a charart (say for Crookedstar's Promise) but didn't get the chance to do so. So I agree to shortening the span, it will also save the trouble of "It's been a month!" And "Can I be an apprentice? It's been a month." and all of that :3 01:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

While it's a bit irksome, I can see why they do it. It's like kits in the books: in the six moons the kits stay in the camp they become integrated into clan life and learn how things work. They get all the silliness out so they'll be truly ready when their real training begins. It's the same here. In the month you're a kit, you watch and learn how the project works so you can be ready when it's your turn to make character art. 02:03, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to speak as a non-member looking in, so bear that in mind when you read this. The Kit system is counterproductive. Creating art is a physical skill. The best, in fact the only, way to learn a physical skill properly is to do that thing. If you want to keep the kit rank, make it the period during which the user must prove themselves, by doing their first piece for the project (and limit them to one claim during that time or something. I think you permit multiple claims the rest of the time). You might want to emulate the way the books are working, but when that interferes with the effectiveness of a project, it's inappropriate. You already limit (out of practicality) the number of char art pending at once, why limit what members of the project can actually participate on top of that? This is the only project that requires membership to work it, why should membership require an unnecessary period in which they member cannot contribute? If the user fails char art piece one and number finishes it, then let that weed them out, not them loosing interest in the project while an arbitrary waiting period is met. And if new members get irritated over crit, them duff them out for being unwilling to take constructive criticism. The process of refining a piece is a fundamental part of this project. The rank system is currently unnecessarily deep, a waiting period is unreasonable and unnecessary. Get people making art and proving skills. if they don't have the skills, have them come back after they've practiced a bit on their own. 02:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

After reading that, I recend my comment and say go with Kitsu's idea. Kits get one image with which they can proove themselves? Sounds good to me. But, for the record, at least kits do get to make an imput by criticizing the images pending approval. 02:45, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

You know, this IS getting kinda long, don't things involving changing the project go on the forums? Or can this continue being discussed here? And Kitsu, I do see what you mean. I think that a month of doing very little but critiquing is counter-productive, because by then they may have lost steam, along with interest in the project. 02:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think what people need to realise is that not everybody is able to do charart to the standard required to the project. This project has become something that people want to do to make themselves seem 'cool' but not everyone has the skills, or will ever have them. That sounds harsh, but that's the way it is. I think the wiki needs a change of focus, where every project is seen as equally important and anyone who contributes anything is made to feel welcome and part of the in-crowd, not feeling like they have to join a certain project to be recognised. That's something not easily solved overnight, but I think when it does happen you'll have less members anyway and only those who really have an affinity for charart will be wanting to join (for the most part). I agree with Kitsu that people need to be able to accept critique, and have the skills in the first place. Not everyone is good at visual art and that needs to become okay. 08:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm also going to point out, that you'll have less problems if you stopped being so finicky over little things. I keep seeing discussions going back and forth between 'darken the shading' 'lighten the shading' 'make the ear pink bigger' 'smaller' 'more red' 'less red' etc. There is no correct way to do a charart as long as there is a clear light source, shading to show that, and it looks as realistic as possible. If it is an accurate and professional-looking representation of the character then it should be approved. Not just commenting and being fussy because you don't like a certain thing. If it's not explicity wrong then it may be down to taste... I know this is off-topic, but if you get charart moving through the page more quickly then this project might eventually reach its goal, thereby rendering this discussion irrelevant anyway. 08:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not liking the kit system so much. While it has cut down on "blossmhart3423465 got the character I wanted to do. I quit!" Type of situations, a month is too long. How about we try a week + a first character, like Kitsu said. Perhaps in that week they have to have posted at least five construstive critiques? Maybe it'd be hard to keep track of, though... I agree with Sandy, as well. I almost feel nervous about doing ear-pink, it's never been my strong suit, and honestly... it's such a small part xD. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 10:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don´t like this too. And about Tweak week... could help the volunteers?! When I saw Jaggedtoohts rogue image I say: please.please,please! Leaf-storm,11:47,July 30,2011 (UTC)

Sandy, doing any kind of art in the public means you'll have to put up with constructive criticism, even for the little things. It ensures the best quality for the website. There's no way we should put harsher guidelines on that. We already have it so no one repeats what others are saying and no one criticizes too harshly. It's not like people are coming on here saying 'OMG U SUX'. We're critiquing to help artists get better. 13:09, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Returning this to topic: I think any waiting period is inappropriate to this project, and I'm happy that many of you see the truth of that. This project isn't for training artists, it's for getting the art done. The Kit system is currently for training. If you guys want to train artists, find somewhere that's not already got a job to do it at is my recommendation. People should never join a project and be told that they're not permitted to start working. Accept them into the project and use the kit period to prove they have the skills the project needs. If they don't have what the project needs, then let them go and read the bagillion tutorials (half of which teach a single technique) on their own time and put in a little practice. 13:31, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart: I'm more than familiar with constructive critism and critiques thank you. There's quality and then there's people without the necessary knowledge over-critiquing a piece of work until it becomes worse than it originally was. I've seen it happen time and time again, and whilst I agree that details are important, this project also has a goal to reach at some point in the foreseeable future. Not that you'd believe it with the attitudes one can see around here. This project is not about critiquing to help artists get better, it's about art for the articles, and however much you want to sugarcoat that and pretend it's just for fun, it's not. If that's your attitude towards the project, I suggest you rethink your reasons for being here.

I completely agree with you, Kitsu: this project is not for making people better artists (try deviantart.com or some website dedicated to art, if that's what you're here for), it's for the articles. 20:14, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
I would like to join please! SpottedtalonMudears 01:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and placed this join request in it's own section so it didn't get lost in the discussion above. 02:27, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Can i join please? Maplefire 02:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure you can! A lead will add you in when they can. I recommend reading the guidelines to learn how we operate. 02:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
I become an apprentice today! I rejoined on June 30th. Can someone pwease add me in as an apprentice? Thankies! Ginger is back! <sup style="font-family:IguanaLover BTN;color:#104E8B"> and better than ever!  14:05, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone'll double check, and you'll be added in as an apprentice as soon as the leads have the time. =) 14:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
its been at least a month since i joined, and im still a kit. can someone change that.Bluestar11796 18:01, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice?
I've been a kit for well over a month, since I joined somewhere around June 12th, and I'd like to know if I can be moved to apprentices. Sorry if I wasn't supposed to ask! >.< Fawngaze 20:29, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join? I've been wanting to join for quite a while, but just figured out how. orz. Toadstar 21:34, July 30, 2011 (UTC)