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TWEAK/REDO NOMINATIONS ARE CURRENTLY: OPEN/ CLOSED, BARRING THE NOMINATIONS ALREADY POSTED (see the list below for images to tweak or redo)

=Nominations= If you wish to nominate an image, you link the image (like so - ) underneath the appropriate subheading, and list the reason(s) you wish it to be redone/tweaked. Project members with the ranking of warrior or above can vote, and only five votes are necessary for the vote to pass or fail.

(NOTE: Do not nominate queen images, the blanks are in the process of being redone)

Beetlewhisker (Ki) - Tweak Nomination
File:Beetlewhisker.kit.png - Shading on the white looks pretty gray. 01:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Simple fix. 01:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * May I have this if Ivy doesn't want him? 01:05, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies but I would like him ;;  01:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:39, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:39, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Cinderheart - Tweak Nomination
File:Cinderheart.kit.png, et al. (save for warrior). gonna get shot for this... I can tell that there's shading there but it looks kinda flat. The only depth I see is really along the back. If this passes, might I take the Medicine Cat? 01:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * May I have the apprentice, if this passes? 01:11, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I only think the apprentice looks flat. And if it does passes I can give you the file for the med cat image but I honestly think it looks fine 01:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Should we wait and see if the smoke cat thing passes? She has "smoky" in her description after all. 1:13 Wed Aug 28 2013
 * Let's go with what Breezey says.
 * 01:23, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:33, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 16:23 Wed Aug 28 2013

Feathertail (Star) - Tweak Nomination
File:Feathertail.star.png - Add more depth in the shading. If this passes, I'd like it. 01:18, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine. 14:28, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * It could use some more depth. 14:37, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I really love this image, and I just don't think depth in shading is necessary here... 21:40, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Your image. 21:45, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Volepaw (SC) (A) ~ Tweak Nomination
File:Volepaw (SC).apprentice.png I find that the light source is off and the shading could be defined a tad, as it seems flat. I'd like this if this passes and if the OA doesn't want it, please. 14:28, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. 21:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Bramblestar - Redo Nomination
File:Bramblestar.leader.png - Ok, I'm going to get shot for this, but honestly, he and Tigerstar (and Hawkfrost too, I think, I'm not exact on that but I'll check r later) are the /exact copy of each other/. It was said in starlight, and I don't have the quote because I don't have my book on me, but it was when Brambleclaw saw Tigerstar in his dream and was shocked by the similarities between them (he swore he could've been looking at his reflection in a pool.) So...if Hawkfrost is also said to look the same as them, I think we should start by making Bramblestar and Tigerstar the same tabby pattern as Hawkfrost. Edit: I'd like the leader if possible. 01:30, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could I have the kit, deputy, and warrior? 01:33, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that Tigerstar's images should be left; Hawkfrost instead should be redone to match his father o3o. However I think I agree with this one so go ahead. 01:35, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:35 Fri Aug 23
 * Oh, and can I have the leader if this passes? 01:36, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could I have the apprentice if this passes? 01:39, 08/23/2013
 * I'm sorry but I disagree. Instead of redoing two sets of images, then why not Hawkfrost be redone? It seems more sensible if Hawkfrost is supposed to match them.
 * I agree with Stoney. Why redo two sets of images when you can redo one set instead? And not just because I love Bramblestar and believed in him when all you people were doubtin. 05:17, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd say go with Hawkfrost 09:51, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hawkfrost has a specified tabby pattern, though.
 * Yes, but the current images of Tigerstar and Bramblestar are basically mackeral tabbies, imo.
 * Going with Hawkfrost, since these two are mackerel tabbies and might as well just do one. 19:01 Fri Aug 23 2013

I know this already has enough votes, but like Breezy said, why redo two when you can just redo one? It's a lot of unneeded work, and if we don't need to redo both then we shouldn't.  19:07, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * After seeing the other's comments I now disagree on this nomination 19:12, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can agree. If they look the same, they should, like with Firestar and Jake. 17:10, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to say, yes. Because even though it'd be more images to redo, Hawkfrost has been given a specific tabby type which his images were created to match. And therefore, if Brambleclaw and Tigerstar are indeed near mirror-images of Hawkfrost, they should match his design, rather than having Hawkfrost redone because then Hawkfrost wouldn't match his already given mackerel tabby description given in the books. 22:36, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Tigerstar - Redo Nomination
File:Tigerstar.rogue.png The same thing as above. 01:30, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that Tigerstar's images should be left; Hawkfrost instead should be redone to match his father o3o. 01:36, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 01:33, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * One, is it okay if I take the set (someone can have Bramblestar if they want), apparently that's allowed here, and two, Bbun, Hawkfrost has been described to be a mackerel tabby while Tigerstar and Bramblestar's stripes have never been stated. I think by logic, since they're all identical, we should make them match Hawkfrost. 01:38, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Icy, especially Hawkfrost's type of tabby has been said. 01:39, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with above 01:42, 08/23/2013
 * Icy said I could get the deputy. 01:44 Fri Aug 23
 * I'm sorry but I disagree. Instead of redoing two sets of images, then why not Hawkfrost be redone? It seems more sensible if Hawkfrost is supposed to match them.
 * I'd say go with Hawkfrost 09:51, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Standing by Icy with this one.
 * As I said, I see no reason to redo Hawkfrost to match Bramblestar and Tigerstar. One, Bramblestar and Tigerstar don't even look like each other in terms of tabby pelt, which has said to match identically, and two, Hawkfrost is the only cat to have a specified tabby pattern. Since Bramblestar and Tigerstar are described to look exactly like him, with the same tabby pelt, I believe that'd make them mackerels. So it seems logical to me to redo them to match Hawkfrost. 11:55, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with Icy. 15:15, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just saying, the current images of Tigerstar and Bramblestar are basically mackeral tabbies, imo.
 * Going with Hawkfrost, since these two are mackerel tabbies and might as well just do one. 19:01 Fri Aug 23 2013

I know this already has enough votes, but like Breezy said, why redo two when you can just redo one? It's a lot of unneeded work, and if we don't need to redo both then we shouldn't.  19:07, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * We can't just redo one because Hawkfrost already matches. He's already shown as a mackerel tabby, and he's fine. Tigerstar and Bramblestar are not similar to each other as they should be, and are not seen mackerel tabbies, as they should be. Hawkfrost is given a tabby type already, and already matches that description. It would make no sense to redo a cat with a listed description and not redo the ones it's supposed to resemble. 19:33 Fri Aug 23
 * A mackerel tabby is defined as being narrow, vertical, gently curved stripes that are either solid or broken, and they have an "m" on their forehead. Minus "m" on the forehead (which Hawkfrost doesn't have either), Bramblestar and Tigerstar meet this definition as well as Hawkfrost does, even if their stripes are a little less defined due to the dark background the rest upon. Not even the narrow point is really all that valid, as Hawkfrost's stripes aren't even more narrow than the other two. I'd encourage you to look at mackerel tabbies and compare them to all three images. They can all fit the description of mackerel tabby with relative ease for an inch-by-inch pixel blank. That being said, while redoing both Bramblestar and Tigerstar would get you the same result, just doing Hawkfrost would make much more sense. And as for these guys not matching each other, the only difference I really see is a few stripes on Bramblestar's underbelly, which could be a relatively easy tweak on Tigerstar, and either way, not many "identical" chararts look alike beyond the coat and stripe colors, as you can see with Jake and Firestar, or Rose and Lily. 21:46 Fri Aug 23 2013
 * He is fine, and the others can all be redone to match Tigerstar or Hawkfrost. 17:11, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to explain why I nominated him. Tigerstar and Bramblestar don't match /each other/. In the books they have been said to be an identical copy of each other, and right now, they're not at all. The stripes don't match each other while they have been said to have the exact same tabby coat. I agree Hawkfrost isn't exactly a mackerel, but that can be tweaked, and if he is tweaked, then I believe Bramblestar and Tigerstar should be done at mackerels and they should all match each other. Bramblestar is an example of a mackerel, so it's possible that Hawkfrost and Tigerstar could be done to match him. But as I said, I still think that Bramblestar and Tigerstar need to be redone to match each other, and that all three need to have the same tabby coat. 18:29, August 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm going to say, yes. Because even though it'd be more images to redo, Hawkfrost has been given a specific tabby type which his images were created to match. And therefore, if Brambleclaw and Tigerstar are indeed near mirror-images of Hawkfrost, they should match his design, rather than having Hawkfrost redone because then Hawkfrost wouldn't match his already given mackerel tabby description given in the books. 22:36, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hawkfrost ~ Redo Nomination
File:Hawkfrost.rogue.png and others, save for the alts. prepares to get shot Since quite a few people have suggested to redo Hawkfrost to match his dad, as they're said to look alike, and his dad is a mackerel, like Hawkfrost. 19:12, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Would it be alright if I had the apprentice? I've always wanted to work on one of his images but if it's not then alright 19:16, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing Ivy, you can have him (and I'm making the pattern as well, as although he will try to look as similar as his dad as possible, he'll sport the other features ie: his white belly) 19:18, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hawkfrost is a mackerel tabby, there's no need to redo him. Tigerstar is not done as a mackerel. Shouldn't it be the other way around? 19:30 Fri Aug 23
 * I think you all are missing my point here, so I'm going to put it in bold and italics and hope that it comes across. Hawkfrost is a mackerel tabby. Bramblestar's pattern is one, but it does not match Hawkfrost like it was said to. Tigerstar is not a mackerel tabby. Bramblestar and Tigerstar do not match each other. They should match Hawkfrost, as Hawkfrost was given a specified tabby pattern. The point is not redoing two when you can redo one - and to be honest, wheres the problem with that? The entire project likes doing that these days. 19:36, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ 20:34, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Icy is exactly correct. Yes, the images are nice, but they need to follow a description. Hawkfrost's does, and there's no need to redo it. Bramblestar and Tigerstar, however, do not match each other, and by proxy on Bramble, they both need to match Hawkfrost.
 * Same as above. 20:53, 08/23/2013
 * A mackerel tabby is defined as being narrow, vertical, gently curved stripes that are either solid or broken, and they have an "m" on their forehead. Minus "m" on the forehead (which Hawkfrost doesn't have either), Bramblestar and Tigerstar meet this definition as well as Hawkfrost does, even if their stripes are a little less defined due to the dark background the rest upon. Not even the narrow point is really all that valid, as Hawkfrost's stripes aren't even more narrow than the other two. I'd encourage you to look at mackerel tabbies and compare them to all three images. They can all fit the description of mackerel tabby with relative ease for an inch-by-inch pixel blank. That being said, while redoing both Bramblestar and Tigerstar would get you the same result, just doing Hawkfrost would make much more sense. And as for these guys not matching each other, the only difference I really see is a few stripes on Bramblestar's underbelly, which could be a relatively easy tweak on Tigerstar, and either way, not many "identical" chararts look alike beyond the coat and stripe colors, as you can see with Jake and Firestar, or Rose and Lily. 21:47 Fri Aug 23 2013

My reasoning is the same reasoning as Brezzy's statement above. And just because we like redoing pictures, does that necessarily mean that we should redo two perfectly good images that actually do fit just because we want to? 23:31, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with breezy and Ivy ^
 * Hawkfrost is already a mackerel tabby in his images, as described in the books, Tigerstar is not and Brambleclaw and Tigerstar must look nearly exact in design, therefore, they are the images that make sense to be redone. Not Hawkfrost who already has perfectly fine images that match his given description.  22:38, August 25, 2013 (UTC)

Brightspirit (W) ~ Redo Nomination
File:Brightspirit.warrior.png The images do not match each other at all. On the warrior, she seems much darker and the stripes are overblurred compared to the StarClan image. It should be made to match the StarClan image. 17:54, August 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think the warrior's being used at all, because we don;t know if she was ever a warrior. 18:02, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * The narrator does describe her as a "dead warrior" in Long Shadows, but I can't remember which page. It's sometime when she takes him to the catmint. 18:24, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think Mallowfur's the same case.... I believe warrior was used as a general term? I've seen leaders still called warriors of StarClan, so.. uh... Regardless, if we're still using it, I'll swipe this, since I did the StarClan image and the colors aren't what they seem.
 * If it turns out that we are using the image, then yes, it does need to be redone. However, both points are equally valid and I'm not too sure which one to go with. 22:43, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Them not matching was my foul to begin with, as I was told that I didn't need to match the warrior image since it wasn't being used at all.
 * I understand, Cloudy. ^^ 00:00, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I should think that warrants her a warrior image. 04:25, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Soot - Redo Nomination
File:Soot.loner.png and others. See discussion on smoky cats here. 00:06 Wed Aug 28 I'd like the kit if this passes. 00:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * If this passes I'd like the loner 00:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * See Blackclaw. 00:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with Duck. 0:44 Wed Aug 28 2013

Blackclaw - Redo Nomination
File:Blackclaw.elder.png and others. See discussion on smoky cats here. 00:06 Wed Aug 28
 * I don't think that counts? And if it does, I'd like the entire set, since three of the four images are mine anyways, unless Shoon wants hers.
 * hmmm, I'd like the kit image if this passes 00:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Two users is in no way a community consensus. 00:10, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, would I be allowed to fix the shading on my three anyways? I don't particularly care for them and I'm pretty sure there aren't any visible light sources. Since I still have the files, I doubt it would need to be a redo anyways.
 * I guess, since you're deputy and the images are yours? <span style="">00:19 Wed Aug 28
 * Can we please wait until we come to a conclusion on this topic? <span style="">0:43 Wed Aug 28 2013

Fallowfern (KP) - Redo Nomination
File:Fallowfern.kittypet.png - To be honest, the colors on the kittypet are pretty different from the loner and the rogue and the shading could be thickened. I suppose it could be a tweak, but it might save us some grief to just redo it. 01:17, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * May I have this if it passes? 01:18, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kittypet's not being used due to a lack of a cite.
 * Maybe this could be changed for the warrior? The warrior seems to have the same issues. I'd like it, should it be changed. 01:25, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Warrior, queen, and loner all match in the coloring. I did the warrior and queen and Sheepy did the loner, which she got the colors from me.
 * <span style="">1:28 Wed Aug 28 2013
 * 01:32, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Floss ~ Redo Nomination
File:Floss.loner.png etc. The pattern is not very reaistic, (No offense to the Oa) the white in a few areas is gray, and the gray patches in my opinion are over-blurred. Beebs would probably want the loner, so could I have the Kittypet if the OA doesn't want her and if this passes, please? 19:53, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * if this passes, yes, I'd like the loner 19:57, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * One of my favorite patterns on the wiki and I don't think it's overblurred, white that looks gray can be tweaked. 21:44, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * the only one that might need to be redone in the least is the queen. The other two are perfectly acceptable.

=Approved Tweaks= Once an image is under this heading, it may be reserved on the project main page and crossed out with a and a. The image may only be removed from this list when it is approved and archived.

Senior warriors are to keep track of the number of images on this list, including those that are crossed out. Should the number rise above 50, nominations will close and remain closed until the number of images on the list is down to 40.

Tweaks

 * File:Cinderpelt.mca.png - Shading tweak
 * File:Leafstar.rogue.png - Make paler.
 * File:Jay.kittypet.png - Add greying fur, mange.
 * File:Newtspeck.warrior.png - Pattern tweak.
 * File:Oatwhisker (TC).warrior.png - Define shading depth (Reserved to Sorrel until 9/3/13)
 * File:Sedgecreek.warrior.png - Change shading tint
 * File:Sol.kit.png - Needs tufted tail.

Redos

 * File:Brook.loner.png - Stripes don't flow well
 * File:Millie.loner.png - stripes don't match each other (Reserved to Raven until 8/21/13)
 * File:Millie.kittypet.png - stripes don't match each other; shading needs to be defined (Reserved to Raven until 8/21/13)
 * File:Thornclaw.apprentice.png - Pattern change (Reserved to Mounty until 9/3/13)
 * File:Thornclaw.kit.png - Pattern change (Reserved to Mounty until 9/3/13)
 * File:Thornclaw.warrior.png - Pattern change (Reserved to Mounty until 9/3/13)
 * File:Twist.rogue.png - Overblurred (Reserved to Leggo until 9/3/13)