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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

StarClan Blanks - For Approval
We'll do the standard start with the short-haired male. 21:00, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no anatomy expert but maybe raise the back hip up; the spine looks a bit too smooth and maybe make the shoulder outline a little less sharp and make it rounder; since the cats are generally at the peak of their youth and strength 21:02, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 21:12, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'd suggest either showing one foot kinda partially tucked under on <<<<< side, or have both legs laying out kinda behind the head. It kinds looks like there's no legs right now. xD Otherwise I honestly see nothing wrong. Fantastic work Whiskey!! 04:02, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, but it's pretty common for cats to lay like that, especially if they're relaxing. I can change it if anybody else wants me to, but I'd rather keep them like that. 20:44, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

Frontpaws are a bit large and odd looking. Perhaps make them a little smaller? Hooh54 (talk) 22:38, December 24, 2012 (UTC)Hooh54

I think the front paws are fine. And yeah, cats lay like that, but at this angle, I don't think it's quite possible for us to not see the legs even a little bit. 05:20, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I used this as a reference (don't worry, it's stock). So it is possible. I can still change it if that's what you guys prefer, or course. 15:44, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Wow Breeze, these are amazing. Can you shrink the blank a little and make the tail curve a little more naturally? Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 17:00, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think the size is fine, honestly. And if they do need to be shrunk, they can be after everything else is said and done.

Actually cloudy, in my opinion it's easier to shrink them right off the bat and work with them small than to shrink them when they're done. Resizing pixel blanks can throw things off a little and make them look odd. I personally think they should just be resized now. 23:23, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that, actually. You do bring up a good point, Paleh. I guess that would be the better option. However, I don't think they should be shrunken too much.