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SkyClan and ShadowClan
You know how some cats have the Clan abbreviation after the names of their pages because there are different cats with the same name? Like Ashfur (TC) and Ashfur (SC)? Well, since ShadowClan's and SkyClan's names begin with the same letter, I suggest that the abbreviation for SkyClan be (SkC). Using the Robinwings as an example:

Robinwing (TC)

Robinwing (WC)

Robinwing (SkC)

Robinwing (RC)

Get it? I hope so XD Raven flight 92 22:49, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that works. Anyone oppose of this?-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 22:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The reason only some of the pages have (SkC) or (ShC) is because only one or two names have cats in both Clans, such as Oakpaw. For others like Robinwing, there's no need to add an extra letter. It would add some clarification, so it's not a bad idea. It would throw me out of whack when linking for a while but if you guys think it's worth it then it's cool :)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should use the 'SkC' or 'SkC' for now, since there is no Robinwing in ShadowClan or any other cats with the same name in shadowclan or skyclan. -- Icestorm Peace 14:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree Ice. I think that a generic system would be better as it avoids any confusion over whether 'SC' means 'ShadowClan' or 'SkyClan' for any individual cat - at the moment you need to actually go and look at the page and see which it is. I think a system that can be used for all cats no matter whether there is both a ShadowClan and SkyClan cat with that name or not would be better, with 'SkC' meaning SkyClan and 'SC' being used only for ShadowClan cats. (or 'ShC' if it's preferable; I just have in my head the abbreviations I've always used) ✐Sa  NdY  18:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me, Sandy. I doubt we need the (ShC) because ShadowClan is more common and thus people will assume it when they see (SC). For SkyClan, which is less common, we can make the extra distinguishing factor.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Do people think we should make the change, or keep it as is?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Change it, in my opinion. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:04, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else? insane brick'd 02:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Can't decide. It's OK either way. Helixtalk 03:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I still vote for changing it per my argument above. -- Sandy star 10:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Overview
Especially for major characters, we should have an "Overview" section describing the major milestones and actions in about 10-20 paragraphs, so users unfamiliar with the character could readily see who it was and what did it do (instead of browsing through lengthy History sections listing all events without focusing on their importance). Helixtalk 09:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, all information is necessary for it, and I liked the history layout when I was new to Warriors. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   00:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not suggest removing the History section; only adding a section that summarizes it. Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense, but my only objection to it is that if a user is 'unfamiliar with the cat' they probably don't want major spoilers of everything that cat did in the course of the whole series... by sorting it by book it allows people to avoid the sections of books they haven't read and minimize spoilers for everyone while still offering comprehensive information.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a valid concern... Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

What if we put it after the history, and divide it into the Series? For example, here's how the wikicode would look. ===Overview===

In the Original Series
(overview of what the did in the Original series, if applicable)

In the New Prophecy Series
(overview of what they did in the New Prophecy, if applicable)

Would that work? → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Played around a bit, check here. The spoilered section is auto-hidden, click on Show (next to the description). However, I guess it'd overcomplicate things, and I see that not many users are interested in the feature, so we can leave it as it is for now. Helixtalk 12:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

That hidden section actually looks pretty nice. My only concern which does not directly affect this idea's implementation, is that we might have to discuss page layout... for major characters like Firestar the pages have a lot going on and it's less organized that I'd like it to be. But of course that separate issue doesn't have to do with this... ah I tend to ramble a lot XD  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, are we implementing this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  14:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I think it might be good for a few pages, but I want to get other people's input too. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep it the way it is. An overview would just be confusing; especially if somebody wants to go through the character's history without a paticular book being spoiled for them  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 05:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I kind of agree with you to be honest. Does anyone disagree with this, and want the Overviews? insane brick'd 02:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Mates
I think this was briefly discussed, but overlookd. In my opinion, the article Mates should be locked so that unregistered contributers can't edit it, only warriors wiki members can. (If that's possible) I know that there are unregistered contributers who mean no harm, and some can even be quite helpful. But that page is this enormous bullseye for a vandal, if you know what I mean. What do you guys think?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 07:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, there was a discussion about this on PW talk, I think, but it's gone now, I guess it got archived due to lack of discussion.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

So what's your opinion about it?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 02:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea - it was me in the first place who suggested it, but it was dropped / forgotten somehow. Helixtalk 17:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. One time an unregistered contributor wrote, "Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight will probably get together again", and someone wiped a whole section out. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderpelt - Gold Nomination
If I'm doing this wrong take it down but I've been expanding TNP sections and she had the Feature Article....just a long time ago. Does this still stand, or do we have to wait for her to be featured again? Again if I do this wrong take it down. -- Quailflight 09:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

She actually looks great :) Nice amount of history for each book. But, does anyone see any areas in which she is lacking that I missed? I just want to make sure because Gold nominations are a pretty big thing ;) insane  brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think she's in great shape! :) I don't see any areas missing, but then again, it's just me. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 23:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comments? Quailflight 05:34, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * She looks well worth gold to me. It's nice to see her article back at this standard. -- Sandy star 18:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll put up her vote in a moment. insane brick'd 15:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe - Silver Nomination
I'm surprised he's not already gold. :) I don't own many of the books so I may need help with the improvements.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

For such a major character, he has awfully short history for several sections, particularly some of the original series ones. Those definitely need fleshing out and he could probably use a general look over if someone has time. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'd do it myself, but I don't have any of the books. If anyone would like to do it, that would be great. I mean, come on, it's Graystripe! :)-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I've been editing Graystripe for a few days, he could need some extension in the OS, but I don't know if I should do it. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you have the books, you're more than welcome too as I don't own those books.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 01:14, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wait. Do we need a citation for Tigerstar mentoring him? Quailflight 09:34, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah we should. It should be in Into the Wild.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 10:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Not just Into the Wild, but a page source, too. → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have the page? It's after Lionheart dies.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 12:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I have Into the Wild, but I can't find it. Quailflight 19:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I read Into the Wild, starting after Lionheart died all the way to the end. There's acually nothing that says Tigerclaw mentored Graypaw. There was one point when Graypaw when to a training session with Tigerclaw and Ravenpaw, but there was never an official ceremony or anything after that Night  Fall 04:42, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was reading Fire and Ice and Bluestar said when Graystripe and Fireheart got apprentices, she told Fireheart to pass down all he learned from Tigerclaw and Lionheart. Maybe we could get a citation for that? Quailflight 14:37, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

You mean Graystripe? If so, that would work.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 19:51, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, it was Fireheart. Bluestar mentioned only Lionheart to Graystripe. But I think it would be relevant enough for Graystripe. Quailflight 19:54, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Willie - Silver Nomination
I think his article is ready now. I added citations and fixed up few paragraphs.-- Night s h i n e   R  23:22, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't read the Manga, but he looks good enough to me. Comments before the vote? insane brick'd 15:12, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

We'll probably see him one last time in Heart of the Warrior, but I'm sure we can keep up. -- Quailflight 19:10, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  23:31, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Vote's up now. insane brick'd 02:06, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Jayfeather-Silver Nomination
I fixed up Jayfeather's page pretty good and I think it deserves at least a Silver grade. Riverpelt Heart of Amber 18:07, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sunrise section could use expansion. → •Maple  fern•  ←  21:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Leafpool as a mentor needs to be cited-- Night s h i n e   R  03:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. I did it. Sky wish16 <font color="Aquamarine"> Hail to the awesome WAGE! 02:35, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Shorty - Silver Nomination
I think he looks good....We're not going to see him again though. Quailflight 20:01, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

The description needs to be cited-- Night s h i n e   R  03:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Overlooked that completely. Anyone have Firestar's Quest? -- Quailflight 05:12, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Frosty does. I'll be seeing her on saturday so I can text her and ask for it if you want. Though it might be easier to get it done quickly... Γǻώή ςτόŗm  12:22, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I got it. I feel a deep connection with Shorty because I'm shorter than everyone else here apparently XD Anyways. I don't see anything else wrong. Comments before the vote? insane brick'd 02:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Whitewhisker
In Battles of the Clans, when Sparrowpaw(pelt) was showing Clovertail the sky-drop, he mention a cat named Whitewhisker. Don't they mean Shortwhisker? <font color="Aquamarine">Sky <font color="Orange">wish16 <font color="Aquamarine"> Hail to the awesome WAGE! 01:54, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's a new character because Shortwhisker left SkyClan, anyways. We'll find out in SkyClan's Destiny I guess. insane brick'd 01:55, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

But Sparrowpaw got his name right after the battle against the rats, and Shortwhisker left then too. <font color="Aquamarine">Sky <font color="Orange">wish16 <font color="Aquamarine"> Hail to the awesome WAGE! 02:08, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point... but with their tendency to make up characters at random times, I wouldn't yet say for sure that it was a typo. If there is no Whitewhisker mentioned in SkyClan's Destiny, then I think it's safe to assume that they meant Shortwhisker. insane brick'd 02:09, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy- Silver Nomination
I think she's ready. I don't know were it mentions her having a creamy pelt though and that was one thing mentioned on the talk page. Γǻώή ςτόŗm  08:40, June 4, 2010 (UTC)