Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. Hawkfire Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval  Sandy Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His eye looks like he's sinister; perhaps this could be changed?--Yai-Girl 16:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks like he popped right out of Pokemon. Give him less of an angry-japanese look. G B 57 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Okay. I redid him. Does he look any better? Hawkfire My Den 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are his feet black?--Yai-Girl 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He is better, but I would suggest a black patch on his foreleg coming up to his chest, and lighten the black even more. You also need to blur the transition between black and white on all the places. Some more shading is needed, too. Keep it up, and he'll be approved in no time. And Yai, I'm presuming his paws are black cause he's a black and white cat. -- Bramble My Realm 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I smudged him, added more shading, and added that patch Bramble wanted. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 18:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with all the tiny black dots? And try blurring instead if smudging. Sand wich  989  19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? :) And I have no idea how those black dots get there sandwich, I set it to png but they wont go away! Hawkfire My Den 19:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the black dots anymore. I think you just add shading and blend it in and it will look good. Sand wich  989  22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend, and I did add shading. I just brightened the shading to make it a silvery color. Anything else? Hawkfire My Den 13:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The black needs to be a lot lighter, and I think in places it goes outside the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 19:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anyn shading. But I would do is make the blur tool brush big enough so half of it can be on the black and half of it can be on the white and just run it until the black and white stops. Do that where there is all black and white next together. Sand wich  989  19:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the black slightly lighter than what you have now so you can see the lineart. And it still needs more shading and the patches need blending. Your doing great. =)--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the perfect shade of black! I added more shading, and I added more blending, is it better? Hawkfire My Den 14:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the best yet, and it is a great shade of black. The shading is too pronounced, though, it needs to be more blurred and less standoutish. -- Bramble My Realm 14:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I blurred the shading Hawkfire My Den 12:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Better, yes, but put a little bit of the normal black color between the shading and the white on that patch in the middle of his back. His ear pink also needs to be blended more into the pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 19:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Reuploaded. Hawkfire My Den 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches looks smudge inches into the pelt in some places and not blended at all. And I suggest making it a shade darker than pure white.--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? Hawkfire My Den 12:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Add some more shading on the chest and possible the muzzle and I think he'll be ready. Perhaps blend the ear pink a little too.  Sandy Talk! 13:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Will this work? Hawkfire My Den 02:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't think that you could possibly blend in the shading more? The line between non-shading and shading is still rather distinctive. -- Dawnfeather talk! 13:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There also looks like a smudge spot near the base of his tail, but on his back.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks great, Hawkfire. I'd suggest you lighten the shading, though. And the black is too dark. I would use the same black as Crowfeather or maybe Nightcloud. Sparrowsong 21:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Hawkfire My Den 21:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches need blended more. Look at Patchfoot, Smallkit, and other patched cats for reference. --Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 23:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 16:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments? Hawkfire My Den 21:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, the ear is the problem here. You need to sort it in the same way as you need to sort Jumpfoot's Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Hawkfire, this looks really good! But the ear pink needs to be lighter and more triangular. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:violet; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Sparrowsong ( talk! ) 17:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

darken shading. -- MU MB LE 785  23:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

This hasn't been worked on in a week. Please work on this or it will be declined. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry Sandy!! Um..Well to make a long story short, my laptop has the same virus GB's cpu does, and its very bad. So I havent been on my laptop in awhile, which it has all my charart on it. And also, all the computers I have tried, I can't get access to Pixlr, so now I am using my brother's laptop (the same kind of laptop) while mine is getting fixed. Anyway I fixed the ear, and darkened the shading. Hawkfire Go Aggies! 14:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

He seems a little too dark, I can barely se the outline. Also shouldn't both he and Tallstar have the same markings?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, lighten him a little and Shady, you're right. I'm going to ask you to edit this slightly Hawkfire as I think it will be easier than editig the leader. Can you add a white tail tip and remove the black from the paws. I think with the different angle that they will then look similar enough for the sakes of the project. Do that and it'll be ready! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Duskfur (W)- For Approval


Okay, I wanted to try a tabby, so I did Duskfur of Riverclan. I was so mad because I finished it, saved it wrong, and then was unable to reopen and resave it, so I had to redo the entire picture. So much trouble for a cat. -.- Improvement tips? Silver tree  ♥  21:38, 10 July, 2009 (UTC)

The tabby marks look like they were made with water colors, you can see through them and they looked liquidy. There also needs to be some more of them, slightly smaller and more thin. -- Bramble My Realm 17:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated. I re-did all the stripes. Are they opaque enough? Silver tree  ♥  16:57, 11 July, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, much better. You just need to add a stripe on her haunch near the tail, where that gap is, and <S>also add a marking by her eye. She looks awesome now. -- Bramble My Realm 21:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Never mind the eye comment. -- Bramble My Realm 21:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated Added the tabby mark. Anything else? Silver tree  ♥  18:11, 11 July, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the tabby markings more and make them more subtle.MinnowclawMinnowclaw

The ear looks shrunk. Little more ear pink, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated' Fixed the ear and blended the tabby marks.

The markins are very dark - try lightening them a little and then blending them slightly more so they look more natural. Also, the ear pink is too fluro and needs to be more triangle shaped (make sure you blend though). [ps. please sign with four ~s] <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Your need to BLEND a lot more on the tabby marking and shading.Minnowclaw 23:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I really hate to do this but this hasn't been worked on for a while either, almost a whole week I believe since Silvertree's last posted wasn't stamped I can't really tell. I give it a 24 hour notice before it shall be declined for good.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated So sorry, I forgot to edit when I was busy with something else for another website. I blended the marks some more. Silver tree  ♥  21:28, 20 July, 2009 (UTC)

Your image isn't showing up. Please upload the right image, Silvertree :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, there we go. I had forgotten to upload it (like a smart person.) Silver  tree  ♥  18:59, 22 July, 2009 (UTC)

The markings nede to be slightly lighter as they stand out a lot. Also, make the ear pink more triangular, lighter and bkend it in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Bland markings. Highlight. -- MU MB LE 785  23:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, the ear pink needs to be bigger. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 01:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with GB, but other then that I think she's georgus. --Spottedwing 13:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated okay, I made them more blended in I had trouble getting satisfied with the eahink I got it. Next? Silver tree  ♥  20:21, 26 July, 2009 (UTC)

The ear still seems a bit... round. Add some more color to it then blend. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated Better? Silver tree  ♥  18:31, 29 July, 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Something about the tabby stripes is annoying me though. Make them lighter and try varying the length of them more. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There should be markings on the further foreleg.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the tabby marks basically just a shade higher than the main pelt color. Also, on the neck, the angle of the marking there is rather abrupt; make it so it’s coming from the center of the throat. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Tallstar(Le)- For approval
Comments?--Yai-Girl 14:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Very good. =) Maybe tone the ear pink a shade lighter, blend the black patches, and add shading.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Good, just do all the things above, and make the eye amber (orange) because it's yellow and he has amber eyes. Hawkfire My Den 21:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks more really dark brown then he does black. That may just be my computer though.--: LST DragonClan's Camp 00:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks good, but he has no shading. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 03:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I added shading, made the ear pink lighter, made the eyes amber, and blurred the black. Anything else?--Yai-Girl 15:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl


 * I can only see shading on the back and tail. He could use some on his hind legs.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, I can barley see it. Also, add some shading on the hid leg.Minnowclaw 17:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Better?--Yai-Girl 04:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

(M) - The tendril on the nose looks strange. Try widening it at the bottem and then gradually thinning it out. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Moss, and I also think the shading needs to be blurred a bit. Also add a white pixel by the pupils, for a highlight. -- Bramble My Realm 20:14, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I forgot how to blend shading again, sorry.--Yai-Girl 04:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I looked at the approved leaders. How does he look?--Yai-Girl 05:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

To blend shading use the smudge or blur tool and run it across it. Use the dodge tool for shading, but it wont work on white images so make his pelt color just a shade darker than pure white.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 17:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed him, how does he look?--Yai-Girl 15:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

dark... his white patches are grey now... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Sandy. Overall he's darker. I'd suggest going over it with the dodge tool in some places for brighter highlights to bring it up to near white and possibly making his eyes lighter as well? -- Quiet ! 08:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Better?--Yai-Girl 15:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He still needs to be a bit lighter. Just darker than pure white. Also, blend the shading into the pelt. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I din´t respond right away I'm on a trip to Spain and I don't want people geting angry becouse I saved lots of chages. So, please don´t delete Tallstar or the Kittypet Blanks.--Yai-Girl 21:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I made the pelt a lighter color.--Yai-Girl 15:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The transition between the eyes is sort of an odd shape to me... Could you make it rounder? Other than that, I love him! -- MU MB LE 785  22:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Darken the shading. Other than that, it's very good. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 02:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I agree with Sparrow. Also, there are a few white pixles on the black on his left shoulder that you should get rid of. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   20:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The tendril up his nose is a direct rectangle. Make it more like a natural triangle, with blurring. Also, you need to work on your kittypet blanks when you have time. -- Bramble My Realm 23:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

When I tried the nose looked strange I don´t think I can do it.--Yai-Girl 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl



(M) - I drew you a diagram for the nose tendril and white on the shoulder and how to fix the tendril and white. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   22:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am bad at the marking, but here it is.--Yai-Girl 21:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Just blend it up a bit and into the pelt like on Moss' diragram. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Blendned the marking.--Yai-Girl 18:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Brightheart(Ki) - For Approval
I wanted to have a go at a kit. Can anyone tell me how to put shading on a white kit? --Spottedwing 18:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

1.) Add shading by taking the brush tool in pixlr.com, choose the 5 brush and change the exposer to 50%. Put the brush when the shding should go and blend.

2.) The patches look to circleish and ovalish. Make them sort of lumpy.

3.) Blend all the patches and ear pink

Do this and it should be good.Minnowclaw 19:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Like Minnowclaw said, fix the patches. No cat has such even markings like this.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 21:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Minnowclaw and Shimmer. To put shading on a white cat you need to make sure the cat isn't pure white. Make her slightly greyish so the shading will show up. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got her reuploaded. My computer is being slow again. I added shading and redid the patches. What do you guys think? --Spottedwing 21:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Try to position the patches like on the queen and warrior versions of her. I thinkIt's nice that you're using a different shade then those, as then they're all different and as ginger changes in the lighting... Also, the eyes are very dark green. Try lightening them like on the warrior and queen versions. Finally, my computer's coming back tommorrow! I can put up Oakheart, Jayfeather, and Crookedstar! --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

This is very good but the ginger splotches need to be more lumpy the one on her head is good though. User:Stonestar 13:47, July 19 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I made the blotches more lumpy and I added another blotch between her legs. I also made her eyes lighter. --Spottedwing 17:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

She needs more shading on the neck, head and left side of her body. Blend the edges of the patches slightly and also the shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The shading is really bothering me. Her right forepaw has the regular white while the rest of her is darker and has more shading. Fix this by adding some of the regular white in her. Also blend the patches like Sandy said.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry it took so long. It's fair week and I'm so busy with my animals, that I'm barly at home. I made her white, went over the shading, and tried blending in the blotches. --Spottedwing 02:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a good start. Blend the shading just a bit more, though, and add some on the chin. Sparrowsong 03:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry to be OT, but does anyone know why this page is locked? I don't see why it needs to be.

Yes, she's getting there! Just thicken the shading slightly anf add more under the chin, then blend it all in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added shading on her neck. --Spottedwing 02:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Please comment --Spottedwing 13:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The spot on her head is still rather round. Also, the two spots on the chest are bothering me; make them more lumpy. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The spots look like they've been stuck on... Try making them less regular - more like patches than spots. Also, add shading on her head and thicken all the shading before blending in thoroughly. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry it took so long. I redid the blotches. --Spottedwing 18:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I left the blotch on her head round, because thats how it is on the Queen virsion. --Spottedwing 17:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

She just needs some shading on her cheeks, the ginger mark on her tail blurred, shading added to the bottom of the tail, and the neck shading curved downward some more. Then I’d call her good to go. The patches are much better. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think she reuploaded. The new virsion isn't showing up on my computer. I redid the neck and blured the tail mark. --Spottedwing 00:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Add some shading on her head. thicken the neck shading and blend it in more. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I added shading to her face. --Spottedwing 23:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to make all the shading thicker and darker and then blend it in (especially on the neck) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks - For Approval


I was messing around in the warriors wiki when I found many declined images so I put the Kittypet blanks for approval. Comments?--Yai-Girl 17:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Yai, these are Darkhallows' images. You need her permission to edit them, and also, o, Sandiwolf was working on them; they were just taken down due to black of work. -- Bramble My Realm 21:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry.--Yai-Girl 15:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

These had best be declined then until Darkhallows gives her permission to use the old blanks and until you sort it out with Sandiwolf. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yai-girl can use them. I have attempted to revamp them to no avail. Maybe she can.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, back up for approval. Sandiwolf's were declined, and if she wants them back up, she and Yai can talk it out. There is a chances that one set can be used as rogues and the other as kittypets. (will add criticism when I have time) -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypets are well-groomed. The fur on the lond-hairs are sticking out everywhere. I thought you weren't supposed to put cats in drying machines? -- MU MB LE 785  23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Mumble, long-hairs are fluffy, know matter how "well-groomed" they are. Maybe make the hair a tad bit closer to the pelt, though. I love the collars. :)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, the lineart needs to be thicker, so as it goes with the other images. Instead of the tail being up, it would be better if it was curled around the paws, I think, and the ears need to be shrunk. The paws look slightly awkward too. I found this pic: click You could probably use it for reference. -- Bramble My Realm 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything Bramble. That pic made me laugh though. I would advise you not to make them quite that fat Yai! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, hey, they are kittypets. lol but yeah, don't make them that fat Yai. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble making the long hairs fluffy can someone help me?--Yai-Girl 14:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Hre's another reference: <<That should help you on the fur a little bit. (I know who drew that ^^) and instead of just thickining the outer lineart, try doing it with the inside lines, if that makes sense.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I did the short hairs, how do they look?--Yai-Girl 19:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Looks great, but can you please make them a bit bigger? MaYbe the size of my Loner blanks on the bottom? Besides that I love them! The reason I want them to be bigger, is beacuse it's easier to add shading, blending, and smudging, and so we can see the colors and tabby stripes/dapple even better. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you make the blanks bigger?--Yai-Girl 14:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Oh erm.. I don't know. Maybe ask somebody who is good at the computer? I had to redo my loner blanks to make them bigger :( Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have a couple of things:


 * 1) They are a little small but I'm not sure how to make them bigger (Moss might know as she did it for her prey-hunters)
 * 2) There doesn't seem to be much difference between the longhaired and shorthaired - make it clearer which have longer fur
 * 3) The heads are a little strange - they seem really... angular and the eyes are really off centre which looks odd
 * 4) The lineart on the inside of a couple of them still needs to be thickened.

Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thickened the lineart on the long hairs.--Yai-Girl 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I have a suggestion, try to make the tail on the longhears thicker so then we can tell the difference. --Spottedwing 16:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

thickened tails.--Yai-Girl 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Lionstar - for approval


Here's my 1st leader. Does any one know how to do good highlights like Minnowclaw and Quiet have done on their images? Sand wich  989  19:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow Sandwich, this looks great. Maybe blend the shading and ear pink a little more, and are his eyes really light blue? And no, I do not know how to add highlights like that. Ask them yourself! :) Hawkfire My Den 22:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Hawkfire on blending the shading. It took a while for me to find out what you meant by highlights, but I don't use them. I have no clue what quiet does, but if you mean what I did with Thunderstar, I go to www.pixlr.com and use the dodged tool for shading and highlights. Hope I helped!Minnowclaw 22:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Make the eyes amber as it is a generic colour unless you can find a reference for blue eyes. Take the shading away from the top edge of the tail and add some on the neck and left side of his face. Then blend all the shading more. Highlights aren't strictly necessary but if you do want to add them then use the dodge tool. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Made eyes amber, fixed tail, and fixed shading. Sand wich  989  19:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I think what Snady meant is to still have the shading along the bottem of the tail, just not on the top. Also, there are two white dots toward the outside of the eyes that aren't highlights that need to be taken out. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   01:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I made you a diagram for shading. Where I circled in blue, I think you should put some shading. Other that that, This is a REALLY good image! Diagram: -- MU MB LE 785  20:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed everything. Sand wich  989  21:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sandwich...you should have kept the shading you had and added in the shading spots mumble suggested.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I added it now. Sand wich  989  07:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's in the right places now, but you need to blend it in at the edges... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, did that. Sand  wich  989  23:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading on his right cheek is too thick. Blur it a lot or take some away. Or both. -- Bramble My Realm 23:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

There's also some blurry lineart around his hind legs and the join where they meet the front legs. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 09:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I really hate to do this but I can't find the color I was usign for the fur, so I'm gonna withdraw. Sand wich  989  19:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, after a very convincing argument by Mosswhisker, consider this un withdrawn. Sand wich  989  21:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Glad to hear it. :) Make the shading slighly thinner on the left side of his face. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   20:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Pad - For Approval
You've been waiting for him, so here he is. Criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 18:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks good. Cute. -- Bramble My Realm 19:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you make the ear pink more triangular, darken the shading and add shading under the chin? Other then that he looks great! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, M&S, if you looked at just about every pair of ears on our kit pics, you'd see that they're not triangular. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Good point. Never mind. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

But, M&S has a point on the shading under the chin. You would need to make it darker.Minnowclaw 10:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

He looks super cute, but maybe tone down the ear pink a shade because it looks a very unnatural bright color.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Cutie, but darken the shading just a tad.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a little more. Also, the shading needs to be slightly darker. Good job, GB. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 20:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

He's very cute! The only thing would be if you could darken his eyes just a little bit. He looks great!!!-- MU MB LE 785  20:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

How's that? Also, Mumble, I want to keep the eyes bright, to make him look all cute and innocent. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Any comments before 24-hour approval?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you curve the neck shading downward just a smidge? It's almost a straight line right now. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll get on it tomorrow. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

tadpole- for approval
ok, since scourge didn't work out, i made an easier one:tadpole. how did i do? rainpelt

add/darken shading... -- MU MB LE 785  23:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Add a tad bit of shading under the chin, head, sides, and lightly on the pars. Blend the ears some more and there's a darker line of pink running through it. Lighten the eyes, as they are hazel, and add a highlight to them. He looks very cute. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Also, judging by what you said on Scourge you are using paint, right? Try using www.pixlr.com to edit your images. (Use the burn tool for shading and the blur tool for ...blurring.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;">  MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, i used gimp to fix shading.-rainpelt


 * I can hardly see the shading and there's a part gray background..Theres look like some gray near his left foreleg close to the line art. There's also some near his ears and where his two paws meet his chest.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 01:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

i added shading and lightened the eyes and i have fixed the background rainpelt

i worked on shading more, and made the BG transparent, if it dosent show up for you guys tell me. and i also noticed the line art was lightened when i was doing shading, so i fixed that problem, have i fixed it all? rainpelt worked on shading and ears more, no comments in a while, so, i dont know what to do next.

Well, he needs shading on the other side of his body, his front legs and top of head, and your current shading needs to be blurred in more. There's also an extra bit of gray stuck in between the tail and side, get rid of that. -- Bramble My Realm 02:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed. rainpelt


 * It looks like you smudged it more than you blurred.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

blurred instead of smudged


 * The little picks of gray are still there in between the paws and his hind leg.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

did that, and lightened the ears. rainpelt

The shading needs to be blurred into the pelt, to make it look more natural, and less like patches. Plus, he's supposed to be black. Right now, he looks more like a dark gray. Maybe make him a little darker. Other then that, good! Jaypaw189 21:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Pinestar - For Approval
This is Pinestar, leader of ThunderClan, father of Tigerstar, and kittypet.

eyes should be green, bit more shading, other than that, very goodrainpelt

Your really god at making charcats!It's awesome,but as rainpelt and mumble said,add alittle more shading,then he'll be perfect!I like his green eyes,there like the color of the leaves in Green-leaf! --Firepelt 02:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

OMG! It's awesome! But, add some more shading, like rainpelt said. ;) If you need to, you can look at my nightstar (above) or one of the finished leaders. :) (And don't forget to sign your name with the four squigle-things (~)! -- MU MB LE 785  22:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

All it said was that he was a reddish-brown tabby tom. Nothing about all this extra stuff you put up. It's, good, but I think you need to change it.Minnowclaw 23:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Perhaps take the black markings away and make them slightly darker red, and add more stripes. Also, the lineart is still blurred. As I said before, I can fix this for you if need be. -- Bramble My Realm 02:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the eyes to green, like you said, Rainpelt. I don't remember it saying anything about him being a tabby, but if you look at page 144 in Code of the Clans, you will see a pic of Pinestar's head. It has the same markings I have drawn on him. That'd be great, Bramble, but could u wait untill it is ready to be approved? Jaypaw189 19:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

He's just a red-brown tom, so he doesn't need tabby marks. But the markings on his eyes can stay, just make them a darker brown color instead of black; black sticks out too much. And sure, I can wait until it just needs that done, and then it can be approved. -- Bramble My Realm 23:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bramble. I made them dark brown, like you asked. Any other changes you need? Jaypaw189 00:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Take away the black lines around the dark brown markings, and blur them a bit. That way they look less sharply defined and more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 00:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I blurred it like you asked. Jaypaw189 17:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

The outline is blurred a little.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got the new version to show up! I know, Bramble said she'd (or he'd) fix that for me when it's ready to be approved. Jaypaw189 20:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

I’m a she. ;) I reuploaded him with transparent background and unblurred lineart. Those black lines around his muzzle; take those away, cause it makes his muzzle look like he’s wrinkling it up and it looks odd. If you don’t know what I mean, look at the original leader blank and take away any black line on Pinestar’s muzzle that’s not on lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, also his ears and nose need to be pink. Not too stand-out-ish though. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I changd the muzzle, like u asked, Bramble. I made the nose pink, Sandy, but when I tried to make the ears pink, it looked really strange. Jaypaw189 16:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

It looks good, comments before approval?-- Darkhallows Lair 20:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Put in ear pink, but don't make it as bright as the nose pink. Also, his eyes are neon green, try making them a more natural shade. And blur the lighter fur on his chest more, for you highlights are showing up in a ring. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Redtail-for Approval

 * Well before I have to leave Monday, I wanted to upload the first deputy we ever met, Redtail. I gave him amber eyes since they never gave any information about his eyes, plus to me it seemed to fit him better than green and blue was just yucky..So here he is. I gave his tail a darker ginger since he was best known for it and I think he inherited from his mother Swiftbreeze since she is known for her red tail too. Comments anyone?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 05:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Ooooh I like this one. The thing i see is on the right foreleg, try blending more in between the two colors. Sand wich  989  07:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice job!As sandwich said,try blending more between colors,other than that,no flaughts are visable to me!Kepp up the good work! --Firepelt 02:24, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

His body is great and looks like a perfect tortie should look, but his tail is way too red. It actually looks crimson. Try making it just a darker shade of his ginger coloured body fur. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Here we are. I used a tortie picture for reference when I was making him since its my first shot at making one. I think I got the color of the tail down this round.Man..I've realized I've come a long way from just my first pixel Squirrelfight...O.o The changes isn't showing up for me....so I hope they show up later because it is when you look at the recent uploads-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 16:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Now it shows up ^_^ comments?...so it can get more attention Updated-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 03:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

lol. I changed the file name as rainpelt uploaded a leader pose over it... the file name would have been changed anyway in keeping with the others. I think this looks much better. I'll have another look in a minute and may post again :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks good. Does anyone else have anything? -- Bramble My Realm 00:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 18:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading needs to be blurred a lot more. There is a very distinct line still. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ravenpaw - for approval


Heres my first go at an apprentice blank. I unsuccesfully added highlights but I left them there so you can tell me if there good. It's the Thunderclan one btw. Sand wich  989  07:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

She's beautiful. Can I suggest that you darken the shading a tiny bit, not so that it looks dramati, just so it is a tiny bit more visible. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Also maybe blend the ear pink a small bit more.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 20:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - He needs a pupil and highlight in his eye. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   21:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened shading a little, fixed eye, blended in ear more. Sand wich  989  23:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a great image, but I don't think it's needed. Thrushpelt is never shown as an apprentice, is he? If you'd do his warrior self that would be better. -- Bramble My Realm 23:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

How about if this gets approved, I will immediately do his warrior. Since we are trying to get all pixels for all cats. Sand wich  989  01:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... if he was never shown as an apprentice or mentioned as one then we shouldn't really do the image. That's like assuming he actually was one - he could have been a rogue joined immediately as a warrior - okay it's unlikely but I don't think we should take that liberty as to assume his history. Perhaps you could make it into a different cat with a similar description. I'll have a think and see who it could possibly be. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I changed it. ;(. Sand wich  989  18:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Ravenpaw! :D The only thing I see is that the patch on his chest needs to be shrunk down to a fleck; there was only a tiny bit of white on his chest. I love the shading job and the way he’s textured, though. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Great choice Sandwich. I had a bit of troube thinking of another cat it could be! lol. Just make the edit Bramble suggested and he should be good to go :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Cloudspots (Med Cat) - For Approval
I've had him sat on my cp for what seems like a very long time waiting to be put up :) Here he finally is! Constructments? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

ears need to show up a bit more, in my opinion. other than that, it looks awesome!

This looks great, Sandy! The only things I can see are to darken the ear pink and to lighten the shading. I can't see the back feet the shading is so dark! :) Hawkfire My Den 15:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandy,cloudspot's is awesome,and as hawky said,darken the ear pink,and lighten the shading,other than that,if you fix it a bit more,awesome! --Firepelt 17:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Okay. I darkened the ear pink and lightened the whole image so the shading was less prominent. I can't do much with 'fix it up a bit more' Firepelt as I don't know what that means but thanks for the great compliments! lol Anything else? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Bring the white on the ear out a bit more, and move the pink inside the ear a bit more. Right now it's over the transition between black and white, and it looks odd. Also add some more specks on his tail. He looks great otherwise though. -- Bramble My Realm 23:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I extended the white on the ear and added a bit between his ears as it looked really strange without it. I added more spots on his tail.and moved the ear pink. Think I got it everything. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The part where the white on the ear connects with the black looks too round. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much. I like this alot! ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful. 24 hours starting now. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Squirrelflight (Ki) - For Approval


I hope this cat is okay.I used www.pixlr.com.I tried my best in doing the outline in the sides,but i tihnk i need a way more darker color.she has tabby stripes on her pelt,and they are darker than the ginger colored pelt.I hope squirrelkit(squirrelflight) is okay!I had anotherimage of squirrelkit,but the paw was way to blurred,so i tried to slvge what i could of it and otouch it up a bit --Firepelt 03:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

She's pretty good, Fire. Her tabby stripes are a little messy, though, I'd look at some of Sandy's approved kit pics; they have awesome tabby stripes. Also, move her pupils down to the bottom of her eyes, and add a white pixel above the pupils for highlights, to make her look alive. Also, remember to add shading. Last of all, blur the edge of her white paw, and take away the black line separating her ginger fur from the white. --Bramble My Realm 03:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The lineart on her white paw shows blurred to me...-- ♪Shimmer♫ 04:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made you a diagram. The blue stripes are where your tabby stripes need to be, and when you've added them, using the same color you have the current stripes, blur them a bit. The red circles are where you need to add darker shading; use the burn tool (white-gloved hand) for that. And the green circles are where you need to take out those black lines across the ears, and shrink the pink and put in some ginger around it, like the other approved images. Also, change the eyes like I have them changed. At the moment, her eyes look wonky and twisted. --Bramble My Realm 02:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thx bramble,I touched her up,burned her stripes,and deleted the old one's and put new ones in,i added darker ginger shading like brownish to her and deleted the black line at the ears. --Firepelt 18:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Better but not there yet. The ear pink needs to be much smaller and blended in (look at some approved kits for reference. Mintkit, Fallowkit and Ivykit for example although there are many others) Then sort out the eyes as she looks cross-eyed (again looking at approved kits for guidance will help greatly). She needs more shading on her neck and sides and you need to extend it into the pelt and blend well to lessen the transition. Then make sure she's not blurry as I can see some blurred lineart that's giving her a fuzzy look :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Your getting there! Her tabby stripes need to be more thicker and blended a little more. The linart is also blurred to me. Hawkfire My Den 15:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop moving the section! And the pictures, for that matter. All you have to do is upload the new version of the image, then edit this section saying you've updated. No need to move the section, pics, or anything. You've made all our sigs dead somehow. -- Bramble My Realm 01:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've moved this back to join the rest of the section - we do not need duplicates of your approval section on the page Firepelt. Just leave it where it is and comment from there. There's no need for anyone to be moving sections unless they are a senior warrior archiving. I put Bramble's comment in at the bottom but the rest was all duplicate so I just kept one lot. (ps. I think the sigs become dead when you copy from the saved page and not from the editing box). All you need to do is follow the guidelines for improvement and then leave a message in this section when you've done them (remembering to upload the new version). Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks a bit pale to me... Perhaps darken her a little to make the colors mure pure? -- MU MB LE 785  22:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of the ginger is overlapping the outline. The tabby markings need to be less distinct and lightened, while the pelt needs to be darkened a shade. Her eyes look like there cross-eyed some. xD Other than that, it looks good. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Harespring - for approval
Here's Harespring, my first Charart ever. He's probably not that good, but... well... comments?--<span style="color:Silver;background:Aquamarine;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Echomist <font color="Salmon" style="background:Aqua">Lilydapple 00:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is really good! The only thing that strikes me is the eye; it needs to have more color to it. Look at some of the other approved warrior eyes for examples. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   01:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

This is really good for your first ever charart Echo. I would suggest looking at some approved warriors for help with the highlighting and pupil in the eye and also make the white a very very pale grey instead so that the shading shows up. Add shading on the curve of the hind leg, chest, head and bottom edge of the tail. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is pretty good for your first charart. But you need to darken the shading a bit - I can hardly see it. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:silver; background:black; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Sparrow ( song ) 20:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I fixed the eye, and I'm trying to make the shading look more natural, but I'm not that good at it. Anyway, is it better?--<span style="color:Silver;background:Aquamarine;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Echomist <font color="Salmon" style="background:Aqua">Lilydapple 17:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - For shading, I use the burn tool (If you don't have this tool, go to www.pixlr.com) Then go up to brushes, click on size 20 to 30 (depending on what area you're shading),and put the hardness at 0. Then just run it over the areas you need to shade about 2 to 3 times. Hope that helps! ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   20:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks Moss! I used the burn tool, just the way you said, and I think he's better.<span style="color:Silver;background:Aquamarine;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Echomist <font color="Salmon" style="background:Aqua">Lilydapple 21:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The white parts look kind of green... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The shading's better. Could you add some under the chin and on his back? ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   18:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I re-did the image, fixing the "green" parts so that they looked white, adding shading to the chin and back... but for some reason it's not showing the updated version. This is weird...--<span style="color:Silver;background:Aquamarine;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Echomist <font color="Salmon" style="background:Aqua">Lilydapple 21:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This is really very good, Echo. The only thing I see is that I think the patch on his chest should be bigger; bring it up more so it fills the entire chest area. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

This is great Echo, the things is that the face being blank looks awkward. Can you add a patch over the ear or something?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made the patch on his chest bigger, and I put a patch over his other ear. Is he done yet?--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 23:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think so. Comments before approval? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This looks good just put some more color in the eye than it will be set. Sand wich  989  15:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Well, I put more color in the eye, and I blurred the ear pink a little because it looked too distinct. Is he better?--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 18:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Almost there. He seems a bit pixely on the shading and top of the head - can you blur a little to remove the sharpness and then he's good to go. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks Sandy, I didn't realize that. Did I fix it well enough?--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 19:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Repeating: Approval in 24 hours. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Loner Blanks- For approval
Here are my first blanks, constructments? And also, I know the tails are suckish, please tell me how to fix them! Hawkfire My Den 15:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the ears more foreward-facing. The back one looks a little like hair, not an ear. I think the main problem with the tail is that it comes from the leg. Move it further up.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? I curled the tail around the paws instead, I think it looks good like that. I should of noticed the ear :) Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's a few suggestions to start with and we'll go from there:


 * 1) The tail is now stuck out from the body at a strange angle... try and bring it closer to thhe body so it partially coveres the paws as if it is actually curled on top of them
 * 2) The ears are really large and at a strange angle
 * 3) The facial features are very... comic-like; try and make them look more realistic like the leader or queen blanks.
 * 4) Also, the left front paw is weird... it looks injured. Try and straighten it when you work on the tail. It should all fit into place Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Nightpelt (W) for approval


Okay, I hope that the ear pink is finally alright. --Nigthflight 04:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The ear pink needs to show more. Make it a brighter color. Not like a hot pink, but a dark red/pink color.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 14:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hoping this is okay! --Nigthflight 21:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Better. But near his paws it seemed like you dodged everything. Darken it just a tad.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 22:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know Warrior. I actually really like that effect... it looks like the light source is coming from behind and hitting his backa nd the backs of his legs... Any other opinions? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sandy; it looks good just the way it is.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, well this has been sat here for 24 hours for opinions. Any more comments before approval? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thrushpelt(W)- for approval


Ok I really don't want my Thrushpaw to go to waste so I made this one. Sand wich  989  18:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It’s a perfect shade of sandy-gray, the color is beautiful. Do you think you could make the patch smaller, or more flash-like? It says a flash of white in his description, and this looks more like a patch. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Icewhisker(MC) - Withdrawn
I know how horrible it is. xP My first textured cat. I kinda liked the way he came out... The first version I tried of him was... well, you don't really want to know. xD I was really bored and wanted to work on something so.. tada!--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 22:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

It's really nice,just blend the coloring a bit more,and ton down,just a bit on the shading on the herbs,they look totally black,if you fix that,it will seem alright.--Firepelt 01:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

He's silver gray, so the black streaks need to come out. Just make him sort of a combo between silver and gray. He looks great otherwise. -- Bramble My Realm 01:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I updated it, but the changes aren't showing yet.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 14:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Um.. What's with the black streaks? Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Grr. It's not oing it right. I'll have to upload it again .But I have to go now.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I took the black out, and lightened the herbs a tad. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Why's he all strange and stripey? It looks like you've used a textured brush and just coloured him all in... try and make his colour a pale-silver/grey but make it more of a solid colour as it says nothing about him being a textured cat... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to withdraw this for now.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 19:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadowstar (LE) for approval
I hope this works out better than my Raggedpelt. Boltstar 20:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

blend shading. --rainpelt

The one there now is not mine. It was showing up at first but now Bramble's from awhile ago is. Boltstar 21:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I just had that exact problem with Fireheart!!! What you do is simple: Reupload the image but give it a different name. My old image's name was FireHeart, so I uploaded the new version, but called it Fireheart. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  22:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's up now. This stuff happens to me a lot. Well not a lot, but yeah. Boltstar 01:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I like the colour you've chosen for her pelt but you seem to have turned some of the lineart grey too - it needs to be black. Also, add more shading on her bcak, face, neck, shoulders and legs and then blend it in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

What parts of the lineart? None of it looks gray to me. Boltstar 13:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The backa nd tail. If you looks closely it's non-existent. It's the same colour as the pelt Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Firestar(Wa) - for Approval


Ok! I didn't get to do these guys as leaders, but I have brought back my old Fireheart (updated!) and Bluestar as a deputy. But where's Crookedjaw? Well... I need a little help on him... I don't know how to make the jaw crooked on the Warrior Blanks! So, if you can, please help me! After that's sorted out, I can finish him and put him up. Since my resevations only last two weeks, I stuffed 'em into one thread. xD Comments/Suggestions/Help? -- MU MB LE 785  22:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I separated it out into different sections. The ear colour is still a bit dodgy, play around with it a bit. Also, (I remember when this was up before it was declined) the colouring technique you have done him in is now more used for mottled cats. I would sayto make him a solid colour, butt before you do, maybe you should gather Sandy's or Bramble's opinions on this (or another senior warrior's, or just someone else's in general actually =D ). I think that the shading is good, you have a good style. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix the ear, and wait for the other higher-ranked peoples opinions, too. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  01:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawn. Take away the markings as they look kind of red and it's making the orange a really strange colour. Make the orange less fluroescent too. The shading is great it's just his colour! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is very good remove the red markings and in my opinion the sheading on the ear is too much. Stonestar 19:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Bluestar(D) - For Approval
(Created new section)

I think that she is beautiful, but before we approve her lets get in some other comments. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It's gourgus, I just think that the ear pink should be a little more brighter. --Spottedwing 00:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, it looks pretty natural now. Any brighter would make it less natural and more fluoro, something we try to avoid... It's your choice, Mumble. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M)- I don't think you need to make the color brighter, but blur/smudge it less. Make it more distinct. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll just make it more distinct. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  01:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The image is very dark, like the lineart is smudged into it, the same problem goes for Fireheart. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Cloudtail (A) - For Approval
I always liked Cloudtail as an apprentice. I don't know why the background came out black. Can anyone tell me how to make it transparent? --Spottedwing 00:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Put the blank on pixlr in the first place. Boltstar 01:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I made the background transparent for you. (Always save images as .png) Your shading needs blended alot more and the nose shouldn't be pink. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Add shading on the top of the head, the chest, curve of the hindleg and then blend it all in to the pelt for a smooth finish. The nose needs to be black and the ear pink needs to be more central and triangular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I took a close look at Tinypaw and added shading and redid the nose and eye. --Spottedwing 00:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading in and this'll look good - it needs to be thicker and blended and try and fill the gap between the shading and lineart with shading too as it looks a little strange. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Rogue Blanks- For Approval


Well the fur is very messy... but they are strays, right?-- Darkhallows Lair 02:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops! Rainpelt had called them... I've messaged her about it. Sorry...-- Darkhallows Lair 03:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, these are really nice! Also, I can see these more as loner's than rouges...maybe you should take to Hawkfire about that possibility. *Shrug* ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * snicker* im a boy. anyway, put on a scourge collars --rainpelt

(M) - I wouldn't put on collars; very few rouges have them. Also, make sure the lineart is the same for all of them. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   23:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

They don't need collars - as far as I'm aware the only rogues with collars are BloodClan - when users make the BloodClan cats they can add collars of their own as each cat will have a different collar anyway and not all rogues have collars as Moss quite rightly said. Just take a look at the whiskers and eyes as they are all different shapes etc and need to be the same style on each (excepting the subtle gender difference of course) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Birchstar (SC) (Le) - For Approval
I hope that the black flecks look alright... I did her because I realised that there are THREE Birchstars. I've already made the set on my computer =D. This one is the Birchstar of SkyClan. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 05:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

There should be more spots on the chest, but that's all I really see. Nice job Dawn!-- Darkhallows Lair 06:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Something's up with your siggie Dawn... I agree with Shady though. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Just do what Shady said and she should be ready for approval. (Three Birchstar's? Common, Erin Hunter!) Oh, and I fixed you siggy so all the text after it doesn't turn orange (The word span had a space in it.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   18:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

She absolutely gorgeous, but her descript was never revealed. I checked in the actual book. If you can prove me wrong, this will definitely be approved, but if not, maybe she can be put up as another cat? -- Bramble My Realm 22:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the book, so I can't say. I wouldn't be able to put her up as another cat because I haven't really noticed a large amount of female leadersho are brown with block specks =D. It's a good idea though. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

If you changed the colours so they were more golden then it could be Leopardstar... Ill have a look and see if I can find a reference to her colouring in he book later. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall for approval
My first image. Comments? Criticism? Feel Free Bracken- 17:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is good Bracken! The only problem I see is the smudged lineart. Fix that, then we can see if there are any other issues.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 18:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I see a few problems. His pelt is a strange orange colour where it should be brown (like his father). The lineart is very blurry so Echo's right, that does need fixing. Also, the large triangular tabby markings you've used are deemed as cartooony and are not acceptable for the high standards of the project. There are a few alternative marking methods that are esay to do. You can use wavy markings such as on Tornear or Stumpytail - I use these personally for warriors and there are very easy to do. You can also try the 'jagged y' markings such as on Brambleclaw or Cinderheart and there are others besides such as Sunstar. I would suggest either of the first two options however as it is your first image - make sure they're only slightly darker than your base colour. When you've sorted the lineart and the colour and the markings then we'll talk shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's Birchfall again, I hope he's better this time. Bracken- 20:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He looks a lot better but next time can you post Birchfall at the same place as your first one. Stonestar 20:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

He's much better. You just need to make the pink of the ear more triangular and less blurry, so that it doesn't interfere with the lineart. You could also look at some of the approved warrior images to get an idea of the small issues like the ear pink, shading, and how to make the pupil of the eye.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Owleyes (Deputy) - For Approval
Hey, finally got him finished. Comments? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 19:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He's great! All I can see is that there needs to be more shading, and it needs to be more natural-looking, kind of blended. Otherwise, he's perfect!--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He neeeds much more shading, and the shading needs to be darker. blur the shading more and blur the ear pnk. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice color! All I see is that to darken the shading, and mayeb brighten the ear pink. It is grayish pinkish. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 19:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)