Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

A Gentle Reminder
Any mentors out there who have a spot and free time to take on an apprentice should go check out the poor, starving apprentices who would like your attention :3 And a note to the leader and deputy: if you see that an apprentice's request for a mentor has gone a while without anybody volunteering, you should ask a mentor if they are willing to take on an apprentice, and if they acquiesce, approve it. Thanks guys. 07:44 Sun Jan 22

Userbox
I was thinking, we have the "this user is a mentor of Project Character Art," but could we have a userbox that says "This user was mentored by USERNAME in Project Character Art." Or "This user has mentored USERNAME in Project Character Art." Something like that, and of course, USERNAME is replaced with the like of the username, linked. Thought about that? 06:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I originally wanted it to be, but I guess Icy misunderstood. I don't know how to change it though... XD If anyone knows how, I agree that we should. I fail at coding. :P  Pale  Legs   ♪Be prepared...♪  08:25, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have some thing like that on my userpage I just need to know the template page or I could just put the coding up here... first tell me what you think its under 'Other Userboxes' 22:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's alright Wildfire, I already got it planned before I posted this. How's this one that I posted right there? <<< -- 01:01, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mine is just like that! xD Except it says "This user was mentored by the awesomest mentor ever" 02:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I didn't see it on your page. O___O XD And another one could say "This user mentored USERNAME." If we decide to make one like that, can you make one like that Wildfire? 02:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! We also might want to make alts. that say "This user is mentoring USERNAME" and "This user is being mentored by USERNAME" or something that last one seems long 15:35, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I would think so. 16:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :) 23:22, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. 06:19, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

So can they be made then? I think the different variations should be; This user is mentoring soandso, This user is mentored by soandso, This user was mentored by soandso, and last This user mentored soandso. I think we should also have a userbox saying that This user graduated the mentor program, but that's just me. It may be too many. :P 03:04, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the graduated userbox, but just a little "edit" or so to the this user is mentored by soanso, I think it should be this mentor is being mentored by soandso; without the italic text though. 07:02, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

Well...Who would like to make a userbox? You may if you are able to make one. I think that if you make one, paste the coding here like I did so we can inspect it. 01:02, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I made some here. In order to make them work, we'd need to change the coding of the other userboxes around. 06:23, Thu, Feb, 16, 2012

Looks great DJ, but you you add "In Project Character Art" like the other userboxes have? 15:05, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I fixed my redlink. I also added the in Project Character Art. 00:35, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

Mentoring Program Revision
Paleclaw and I have been talking about revising the mentoring program because apprentice sit there for weeks without a mentor being assigned or volunteering. We are proposing that apprentices could pick their own mentors from who's available to take an apprentice.

I'll explain the next part in a Role-Play situation. Using Lapwing as a fake name, because all the apprentice a/apprentice b thing confuses me. XP Now, for head of the Mentoring Program. That is a user who'd pay special attention to the Mentoring Program to approve and decline mentor, apprentice match-ups. Paleclaw and I have already asked Cloudskye to be our head for this.
 * Cloudy is available to take and apprentice.
 * Lapwing is looking for a mentor. She uses GIMP (which Cloudy uses as well)
 * Lapwing asks Cloudy to her mentor, either by talk page or we could have a second on the Mentoring Program page with mentors who are free to take an apprentice.
 * Cloudy says okay to taking Lapwing
 * Then the pair'd have to approved by either me, Pale, or heads of the Mentoring Program*.
 * We say yes, and Lapwing is now apprenticed to Cloudy

In the example I gave, Lapwing and Cloudy would be a fine match because Cloudy says yes to an apprentice and they both use a common charart program. But should Lapwing had asked me, the request would be declined because I only can use Photoshop.

Thoughts? Concerns? Ideas for improvement? 00:40, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. Though, a question, if we had a head of the program, would SMs still approve/decline and archive things? 00:48, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, in this case. The Mentoring Project head could also archive stuff in Cloudy is a SM. I see no reason why a warrior, if they were made a head of the mentoring program wouldn't be allowed to, but let's cross that bridge when we get to it. 00:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I think Legy could also Co-head the mentoring program with Cloudy. I already asked her if she was willing, and she said yes, so if it's alright with you guys, she'd probably be our second head. And I think Ivy meant would the non-head SM be able to archive stuff still Scarlet. XD And yes Ivy, they can. The heads are just there to the mentor program get specific attention so it doesn't sit there for a month with nothing happening. It's like how Shelly's the head of the news, except in this case, the head wouldn't be the only one to edit it. Am I making any sense? XD 01:15, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this idea. 07:52, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree too. And Paleh, you make sense to me. =I 08:01, Sun, Feb, 5, 2012

I agree 100%. 22:05, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds good to me. The mentoring program as it is now is good, but, it's a good idea to have at least two users that are allowed to keep a closer eye on it, that way it's not sitting there. xD 02:11, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

No offence but I think the mentoring program could use some cleaning/archiving now. 07:34, Wed, Feb, 8, 2012

I'm not offended, and I doubt anyone else is. It's true, the page does need cleaning. 07:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

I thought not many would be offended, but just saying, in case anyone thinks "OMG, I'm such a n00b for not cleaning that up, now I feel like a loser" or such. 05:43, Thu, Feb, 9, 2012

Welcoming New Users
You'll see the same thing on PB's talk page as well.

Okay, guys. I've been seeing this a lot recently. Some of you will edit the page when someone posts a join request, welcoming them to the project. Can we try and not do that anymore? It's not really worth the edit, if you ask me, since I usually archive join requests not long after I add them and show 'em the guidelines.

Again, can we stop with the spamming? If you want to welcome a new user or something....go talk to them on the chat...please. It's not really fitting for a project page when it's filled with "welcome!" and things like that.

Comments? 00:35, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay Cloudy. Fair enough. I know I've been doing this a lot recently, and I apologise. 01:14, Sun, Feb, 12, 2012

It's fine, DJ. But if five users, not counting the SM who adds them in, posts something along the lines of "Welcome to PCA!" things might get a bit cluttered. And I'm not sure how many new users actually check their join requests to see if they've been added. I think we should go with Cloudy's method. Thoughts? 02:23, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

@Cloudskye yeah I thought we weren't supposed to anyway. 16:01, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Well, no. We're not supposed to. I think this was brought up before, but people seem to have forgotten it. It happens. So much has gone on in this project since then, it doesn't surprise me. 18:52, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thought the thing that was brought up before was not to say, "Sure, a SM will add you in" if a Sm hasn't already added them in. 04:56, Mon, Feb, 13, 2012

I think it may have been just a general "don't spam the talk page with useless welcomes" and things like that. I find no point in actually editing the welcome message after the leads have already added them in. (Also, SM? *dies* xD) 04:59, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, this isn't a bad idea. But the thing is, i know of a user (not gonna say the name) that can't get on chat, and if she were to join a project, she couldn't go on there. So, it would also, even though it might count as spam, be good to give them a message on their talk page, that way they will know about it and you don't have to wait for them to come on chat to tell them. 19:28, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with that, as long as you're not just leaving a message that says "hai welcome to PCA" or something along those lines. If you're actually informing a new member about the rules/guidelines/something important, then by all means, go ahead and leave them a message on their talk page. As for those who can't get on the chat, there's nothing I can do about that. 19:34, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

So would this apply the same as users leave? 09:40, Wed, Feb, 15, 2012

No, I see no problem with saying goodbye to a user. It's just there's join requests posted nearly everyday, often multiple times, and users rarely check back on them. however, leaving sections aren't very often, and from what I've seen, they come and check back on them quite a bit. Nothing wrong with saying you'll miss the user or something along those lines in my opinion. 10:34, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Okay. How about when a user rejoins? I have a feeling that expecially if they're Warrior + then a lot of users would like to welcome them back, expecially if they actually are rejoining the wiki itself. 00:42, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

Firestar kit
I know this subject has been broached before and declined based on the fact that Firestar was six moons when he first appeared in Warriors. However, Firestar does dream of his days as a young kit still suckling, obviously younger than six moons. Shouldn't this qualify for a kit charart, since Sasha's getting one for just appearing as one once? 22:21, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

This is exactly my point, Shelly. I agree 100% with you on this. I believe he does qualify for a kit charart. 22:24, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes he does and if he remembers then would Princess get one too for being there? (Unless she has one already) 01:34, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I believe he would get one. It makes sense. 01:47, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

He does qualify to get a kit image, as hes was seen as a kit. 02:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

If Sasha gets one for the same basic thing, then yes, so would Firestar. We've given images to characters for less. 03:01, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Princess as well. 03:08, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Princess would, actually. Honestly, she isn't seen, just... smelled. 03:59, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I agree Firestar should get a kit image. Princess, I disagree, I don't think her name was actually mentioned, therefor we have no proof she was there. 05:00, Mon, Feb, 13, 2012

Grr, Shelly, this was gonna be my topic. XD But yea, he should. But, I do think Princess should get one. If I remember correctly, Firestar was remembering suckling, and I believe that he either scented Princess, remembered her, or something, since that was how he remembered her name. 07:54, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree he should get one. Just wondering, why didn't he get one when this was first brought up? 19:54, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

If he's getting a kit charart, he would need a collar, too? Don't mock me for asking D= I'm stupid =3 12:48, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hazeltail and Mousewhisker
Okay, i was reviewing the book Dark River, and on page 176, both Hazeltail and Mousewhisker, Hazelpaw and Mousepaw at the time, were described as, "fluffy gray" and the exact part of the sentence says, "their flurffy gray pelts merging into one." Would they get an alt for that? 23:35, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I believe they would, but Hazeltail already has an alt. 23:37, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so... both of them have grey fur. Just not mentioning the white makes no sense for an alt. 23:49, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, that what Rowan said, Hazel has the alt for it. And really, why not Mousewhisker? 23:50, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

No need to make a mistake twice. Hazel shouldn't have an alt for that unless she was in a situation in which she was described specifically as only having grey fur. 23:53, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think they would. The description just seems to account for their entire bodies, since they were lying pressed together, if I remember correctly. They would likely have at least a whole side of their body pressed together and no white is mentioned at all. I think it counts. Breeze whisker  00:19, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

If Ivypool gets an alt for being called a silver tabby, and Hazeltail one for being called gray. Mousewhisker should. 04:58, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. 00:47, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

Brightflower
Would Brightflower get a warrior charart, seeing as her kits were apprentices? (underaged, yes, but apprentices) Seeing as she-cats were called queens in the first book, she could have been a warrior. (Possibly.) Sky To Kill An Empire 01:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think she would because we have no evidence that she left the nursery after her kits were apprenticed. And in the allegiances for Into the Wild, she's listed as a queen. 01:18, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think so. Since she was seen not being nursing when Brokenstar annnounces that he killed her kits. 01:21, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

She could've been like Daisy 01:22, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

But we don't have proof. 01:24, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

We don't have proof she wasn't like Daisy either so I'm gonna go with no. 22:12, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with no, sorry. <span style="">00:54, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

New Tweaking Process!
The vote passed and now we have new guidelines. So go nominate an image!

A note for the SMs... any ideas on what we should do for an archive page? Where should we archive the approved projects? <span style="">02:54 Thu Feb 16

You beat me to it, Wild. I think we should make archives for the tweak nominations, like we do for approved and declined stuff.

I have asked our very own Wildy to be head of this operation, like Cloudy is for the mentoring program. 02:59, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the love <3 (and isn't Ivy the co-head?) Where should these archives be? Another forum? If so I'll go make it now. <span style="">03:44 Thu Feb 16

Just archives like the normal approved and declined ones will be fine I think. And I thought this was how we planned to do it before, but I guess I misunderstood, so could we have a new heading for each nomination? It'd make it a bit easier to sort through and such. Just a minor thing, everything else looks great :) 04:31, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

@Wild, yes Ivystripe is your co-head. She hadn't responded when I posted earlier. 05:17, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, what do you mean by the normal approved and declined archives, Paleh? For the headings, I'm tempted to agree (just for the ease of editing) but what should we put in the heading? I tried editing them all and adding links to the character's article's Character Pixels section, but it didn't look any more organized than it does now. Comments? <span style="">06:15 Thu Feb 16

Umm...here's a suggestion... Why not just put what we normally do? Try something along the lines of  Berrynose (A)~ Tweak/Redo Nomination , then link to the image, or images, below the heading. If it's multiple images, as is the case with Yellowfang, they'd just put the character's name instead of name and rank. It's something everyone knows how to do...well, if they're in this project, they should know HOW to do it..hopefully. xD 06:20, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudy is smart.... Cloudy is wise.... Therefore, Cloudy is god. Let's do it. (So should I make a forum for the archives or) <span style="">06:25 Thu Feb 16

When I said like the normal archives, I meant like just a subpage for the archives. Like you'd do for your talk page archive or something. Just the page name, then /Approved Archive or something along those lines. And yeah, that sounds great cloudy. ^^ 06:33, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Can you even have subpages to Forums? *is n00b* <span style="">06:35 Thu Feb 16

All you'd have to do is make a page that's something along the lines of these: Forum:Tweak Nominations/Approved Nominations and Forum:Tweak Nominations/Declined Nominations. Of course, that's only an idea. You could easily split up the pages into approved tweaks, redos, ect. 06:37, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I totally didn't realize it was a forum till just now.... XD I fail. But yeah, that'll work. :P 06:38, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

So... Approved Noms and Declined Noms, yes? Yes. <span style="">06:52 Thu Feb 16

Dear, those aren't subpages. Those are entirely new forums. Just click on the redlinks that I said up there^^ and you can use those. xDDDDDDDD It's easier to link as a subpage.. 06:54, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah but you can't make a subpage of a forum :P they don't work... they're just random articles with "forum" in the title. The forums will work for now :3 <span style="">06:59 Thu Feb 16

No....it shows up as a subpage for me....I don't know what you're seeing, but I see all the signs of a subpage. xD 07:02, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yup, they're subpages. XD 07:04, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea to me. I have a little question though, can anyone nominate an image for a tweak/redo? 18:34, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it was specified in the vote, but I think they should be able to, yes. 18:42, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Why wouldn't any user be able to suggest a nomination? That would be unfair otherwise, since there are users who catch things us leads do not. (yes, I called us leads, now, get over it) 22:44, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah anyone could nominate a tweak/redo. I suggest thaty in the approved/declined archives, we have a redo/tweak section, so it's more organised, but that's just my opinion. And yes, I'm pretty sure you can make subpages to forums. <span style="">01:02, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

Reminder~
Hai gaiz. Cloudy here reminding y'all that when you reserve an image...if it goes on the approval page, it needs a date. Keep this in mind, because if you don't add a date, you'll lose rights to the image. Also, keep the reservations in the right column. =P 22:43, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

And one week without a date until it's removed? <span style="">01:03, Sat, Feb, 18, 2012

I have no idea where that came from, but, I don't think that's it. If you don't add a date when you reserve it, and someone else catches it, then you lose the reservation.....where the heck did you find the one week thing? o.o 22:46, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think there was a discussion somewhere, it was only recent I think, but I don't know. =/ <span style="">02:34, Sun, Feb, 19, 2012

I thought it was just that you could keep the reservation with the date for one week - as in, you had one week to post it. 02:37, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Once you reserve it, you have a week to post it. Once you post it, you can go one week without uploading it before you lose it. As far as I know, that's the only thing that has to do with a week...unless I missed something. 02:41, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, fail. Must have misunderstood it. <span style="">02:52, Sun, Feb, 19, 2012

Mothwing Alt?
Would Mothwing qualify for a ginger alt? She appears to be pretty darn ginger in Cats of the Clans. I just can't cite a page becase 1. the image pages in CotC aren't numbered, and 2. I don't have the book on me anyway. 01:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so. From what I remember of the picture, she looks pretty golden. And really, golden cats look kinda ginger really, so if you look up a picture of one, from what I've seen, her CotC picture is definitely golden. (if I remember what it looks like right that is....) 01:35, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Looks ginger to me. Lionblaze has a ginger alt, and Firestar has a golden alt. Just saying. 01:37, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Compared to her current picture, I would think so. Looks pretty ginger. 01:43, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ahhh, I remembered her looking different. XD Yeah, that's ginger, go ahead. 01:47, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ravensong~Join request
Hi :3 I would like to join this project, (If its ok!) Ravensong 07:02, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Like it's not ok. xD I'll add you in now. :3 <font face="Arial" size="1" color="Violet" >Sky Super pervetedness! 07:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget to check out the Guidelines before you post a charart. There's also the apprentice tutorial to help you out. You can also apply for a mentor if you want. :) Welcome to PCA Ravensong. ^^ 12:35, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Join
Hello Im Fenheart may I join the PCA? 09:10, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Course you can. ^^ I'll add you in now. Check out the Guidelines before you post your first charart. And if you need some help with your chararts, have a look at the apprentice tutorials. You can also apply for a mentor if you need more help. Welcome to PCA. Welcome to the PCA. ^^ 12:38, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Applekit ~ Join Request
Hello I am Applekit can I join the PCA? Please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Applekit (talk • contribs) 20:46, February 18, 2012

I added the unsigned template. Please remember to sign your posts! <span style="">05:29, Mon, Feb, 20, 2012

Welcome. I'll add you in as a kit right now. Make sure to read the guidelines before commenting on an image. If you need help, you can check out the tutorials, and you can apply for a mentor at the mentor program. 05:44, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Adding 'Comments' to Tweaks
Hey, I was just going through the new Tweak forum and I realised that it would be good to have a comments section for the nominations, we have them for SW nominations so why not tweaks? Comments? 22:33, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you want to comment on a tweak, you can do it when you vote, actually. That's what quite a few of do. Wouldn't a comments section just be redundant? 22:35, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

All you need to do to comment is add this symbol instead of a vote symbol:

23:04, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

simple, a comments section isn't necessary. We only have a comments section on the membership nominations because we have a section for against and supporting. On the tweak nominations page we just use and  <span style="">02:47, Sun, Feb, 19, 2012

Okay, I forgot about that. Also why is it only SW get to leave votes, if warriors can do tweaks shouldn't they get to vote? 18:13, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Any member can suggest a nomination, but it's the leads who vote. You'd have to ask Wild why it's only us who can vote, but, it probably has to do with the same reason only we can CBA and approve images.. . 18:14, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

But would any member be able to comment? <span style="">05:32, Mon, Feb, 20, 2012

Non-pregnant queen lineart
Sorry, I should have uploaded this before. Here's the lineart for a permanent queen (just queens that choose to stay in the nursery permanently and aren't nursing or expecting, not just queens that have already had their kits and are still nursing/caring for them before they become apprentices).

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120219181938!Shellyheart.png

To make a short-haired version for Clovertail, just put this over the regular short-haired queen and re-line it.

Anyway, I hope someone takes on Ferncloud and Clovertail. They'll get done faster than is I'm taking care of all of them. 18:22, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Taking a Break
Hi everyone. I'm just going to take a break from PCA and well, pretty much everything because I want to get back to my life. I'll come back someday but it will be a while, bye everyone, I'll miss you <3 &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Oakbreeze/Sig}} 20:57, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

A Suggestion
Okay, so i have a suggestion to help speed up the approval process. There's this website called Join.me that allows people to see and interact the host's screen. If we use this website to see another screen while making a charart, we could give them comment before they put the image for approval, and even show them how to do different things. I definitly think this would help speed up the aproval process, and it could also be good for mentors to teach/help their apprentices. ☾ <span style="color:lightblue;font-family:Freestyle Script;background:black;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em 3em 15em; color:white;">~Pouncey~ ☽ 23:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

That's not half bad of an idea, Fallow. Is the website free, and does it require any downloading? 23:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's free, but you do have to download it. It's nothing major. ☾ <span style="color:lightblue;font-family:Freestyle Script;background:black;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em 3em 15em; color:white;">~Pouncey~ ☽ 23:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. I know I'd download it, since this is my computer, but I don't know if anyone else would. 01:23, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm using it now, and I didn't have to download much. Just a simple .exe file that doesn't change anything. It's kinda like Team Viewer (as Splook, Rainwhisper and Icebrain would know about), with the exception it doesn't crap out after a few minutes. xD 01:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know I think its best to leave out as much downloading and off-wiki websites as possible, some people are very... internet challenged XD. Just what I think. 01:32, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I just made Clovertai's queen with about 8 people watching, and it worked magically. They gave critiques while I was actually doing the image. I love it. 02:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I love it too. When I made Snake's loner image Fallow even helped me with the collar. You can share control with other users on so they can help you out. I use it <3 02:30, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's a very useful program, I use it when I work on other drawings. I can vouch for it. :3 02:37, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. It wouldn't be compulsory, opinional right? It's a great site, thanks Fallow! <span style="">05:37, Mon, Feb, 20, 2012