Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Character categories
I really think we should start giving characters the categories based on the books they appear in, not by name. I never understood why we did this, but it seems kinda stupid that we do. For example, Firestar doesn't have categories for Into the Wild to A Dangerous Path because he was Firepaw and Fireheart, but he's the same character that appeared in those five books, just different names and ranks. Doesn't make much sense to me having it the way we do now. 02:38, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this should definitely be a thing. The characters are the same, those categories should belong to them. -- 02:46, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

I also second this, and it's something that's always bothered me, too. A good example would be like we did for the early settlers; such as Dust Muzzle. This also includes kit and warrior categories, too. Overall, it's the same character and we should treat it as such. 03:13, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Not sure of why we originally decided to have it the way it is, but it doesn't make sense to keep it that way, so sure. Might be hard to make sure we don't leave any behind on accident, so we should probably try and make a checklist system and assign people alphabetical batches.

I disagree with this. It’s too much clutter as it is and to have categories that aren’t for the page itself is misleading. Firestar was not a character in ITW... Firepaw was.

I agree with putting all the books they appear in, not just by their current name. I think people see it as for example... Firestar doesn't have the ITW category so he must not appear at all in the book. Yes, it would be a lot of clutter, but it would make sense. 21:23, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

I know this was mentioned in discord, but I'll put it here, too, but we can always condense the book categories to the arcs for those characters who appear in all of them, or nearly all of them. Like how we do it for the info boxes. 12:52, August 16, 2019 (UTC)

I would be fine with condensing the categories, but I really don't think we need to have, say, Firestar's page...list basically every book category from Into the Wild to The Last Hope (along with his other appearances). That, to me, is just way too much and overdoing it. However, I'd be willing to at least try and see what adding an arc category instead might do. This bears the question though, what if someone only wants to search by book appearance, and not by arc? What if someone wants to see if Firestar appears in Bramblestar's Storm, but only has the "Super edition characters" listing? The way we have it is so we can organize things by book, and I don't see this panning out all too well in some cases. It's not that it's a bad idea, but I do want to see how it would work for individual characters, how things would be searched/listed, ect.

tldr; I'm not too sold on it yet and I think there's still a few more things I'd like before this idea is implemented.

Sharpclaw (SkC) ~ Gold Nomination
19:05, August 30, 2019 (UTC)

CBV?

in relation to livebooks/deadbooks
this is mostly somewhat minor, but with the new formating we have now, i'm thinking that maybe super editions and novellas shouldn't generally be condensed? like listing a cat with "the prophecies begin" easily tells you at a glance that they were alive for the 6 books of that arc, but just listing "super editions" and "novellas" doesn't give you that info, which is what those listings are for.

most only appear in a few of them, so i'm propoing we reseperate those back into their seperate listings, but arc ones and stuff can all stay as is. 23:56, August 31, 2019 (UTC)

I think super editions and novellas can be condensed (I've mostly been following the 3+ ruling), especially since current cast of characters have quite a lot of appearances. But I'm fine for those characters that appear pre-TPB (or mostly appear in the super editions/novellas), such as Rippleclaw, Raggedstar and Pinestar, to have theirs listed per usual since it's not very long. 00:05, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah agreeing with this. I was pretty confused with a few of them. Just didn't make sense.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  08:16, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

I'm with Vec. The 3+ ruling works pretty well for modern era cats (mostly ITW and forward) and anything DotC or prior to ITW would be better off individual.

Sunrise's relation to Tree
SPOILERS FOR SQUIRRELFLIGHT'S HOPE

I believe Sunrise should be listed as Tree's sister. When Tree calls out Moonlight as his mother, Sunrise is immediately excited to see him and looks guilty after he reminds them that they abandoned them. Furthermore, Squirrelflight notes that both Sunrise and Tree have the same shade of yellow. To me, this is alluding that Sunrise is Tree's mentioned sister, and should be listed as such.

21:22, September 2, 2019 (UTC)

This is not enough information to go on imho. Thats way too vague. She could just be a kithood friend and this is really assumptuous. 19:05, 9/03/2019

I think it'd be silly to not at least list it as implied. Why would those scenes be written in otherwise? I definitely read it as she is his sister. 02:37, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

I disagree with adding Sunrise as Tree's sister due to lack of evidence, but agree with Egg that it should be a trivial thing for now. -- 02:40, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

(just finished reading literally two minutes ago) I agree that it's too much of an assumption to list then as kin since it's super vague. We can list it as trivia, and if this is proven true, there's a good chance it'll be mentioned in Tree's Roots. 02:45, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Trivia for sure. I'm pretty sure we can go get an author confirm for this, since it seems that's definitely what Kate meant to imply, or in the novella.

Rename Mothflight's page to Moth Flight
I want to consider renaming Mothflight's page with the release of sqh. The only two mentions of Moth Flight being referred to as Mothflight is in books released before she was introduced in dotc, specifically sotc should not be treated as a proper reason to keep her name like that, as every single early settler styled name in there is changed to a more clan styled name. Her mention in Tallstar's revenge is also now inconsistent, as we see her with her early settler styled name name in sqh. With a lot more mentions of Moth Flight being referred to as Moth Flight instead of Mothflight, especially with the newest book having her name as Moth Flight, I see no reason to keep her page with that name still. 03:00, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. Truthfully, all this new stuff needs to supersede SotC which is just riddled with errors due to it's oldness.

Absolutely. We can just say her name in Tallstar's Revenge was a mistake, or she possibly goes by both. In any case, the page should certainly be named to match up with the recent book. 14:44, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed with above. 15:32, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

I think we could label Tallstar's Revenge as a mistake, since it was released before the endgame part of Dawn of the Clans and Moth Flight's Vision. Good eye, Lapras, I was thinking of bringing this up myself. But yeah, rename the page since it's pretty obvious that her name is Moth Flight and always has been.