Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Injuries
I'd like to suggest adding spoilered injuries into the trivia for cats such as Brightheart, Cinderpelt, or One-eye to name a few. These cats tend to have plenty of descriptions of their injuries that we could write a sentence or two about them for the sake of reference. There's really nowhere else reliable that has them listed and we could easily cite them. It would make it easier for artist or fanfiction writers to describe the cats accurately, and it's in the trivia so its completely within our spoiler rule. If describing their injuries is something that would gross people out we can always put them in a dropdown, but I still think it would be a handy tool for people looking into it so they don't have to search through the books. 3:18 Thu Sep 11 2014

I'd support this, and honestly, I never got why we didn't put it in the description. Yes it's spoilers, but the charart shows it and the spoiler tag could always be moved up. 03:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

More comments please guys~ 23:05, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

I also support this. I've never understood why this couldn't be in the description with the charart showing the injury. 23:36, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind just moving the spoiler tag to the top of the page and just adding the injuries. It's not like they're not constantly called this, whether it be in the allegiances, official art, or even by the authors themselves. Plus, it's obvious when it comes to Brightheart and Briarlight especially- their chararts are a dead giveaway. Moving the spoiler tag seems to be the best idea to me- otherwise we're going against our own spoiler rule by having these injuries in our chararts.

I would support this. First the injuries belong to the descreption of a cat and then sometimes not just the picture can spoil. Sometimes the can the Affliation spoil too. And yes sometimes this section is over the spoiler tag. And if I'm with mobile on the hole box is over the spoiler tag. And this spoiled me from time to time too. Sorrelclaw (talk) 06:01, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

I support this too. As stated befor, nearly everything on the page could give out a spoiler anyway, which includes the box- The affiliations (as mentioned by sorrelclaw) or cause-of-death, the family section for cats like Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze, even the name of the page gives very minor name spoilers sometimes. It's not hard to just move the spoiler tag up and actually include the injuries on the page- it's part of their description, it should be added. 14:11, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

Are we at a consensus of moving the spoiler tag up and adding injuries to descriptions? If there's no more comments in 24 hours I'll assume we are. 15:15, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, it's been over 24 hours, Duck. I assume we're gonna go ahead and do this?

Yep, though as a start, only do it for cats with injuries, another discussion should be brought up for the rest of the cats. 23:02, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I say just move them all, honestly. The entire article is a spoiler, everything from the name to description to the history and quotes. You wouldn't know anything about, say, Rusty the kittypet from perhaps reading the back of Into the Wild. Pretty much anyone that comes here is well aware of that, so moving the spoiler tag is probably just a better idea- most cats have some form of an injury anyways, in the form of scars, torn ears, missing eyes, ect.

I agree, but we should still hold a separate discussion, since this one was started for injuries. 23:50, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Patchkit_(TC) ~ Silver nomination
So I think this is my first nomination... IDK. Comments? 17:32 Sun Oct 19

The grammar in The Ultimate Guide appears to be a bit confusing, and it needs to written in present tense (I think?). The family tree is also missing and needs to be added, and I believe Shellheart's line (going from him to current) would also need to be added since Patchkit and Appledusk and Reedshine's kits are all related due to sharing the same father.

yes, articles need to be written in present tense. 01:02, October 20, 2014 (UTC) Still working? 00:14, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I did the tense bit and I'm working on the family right now, I'm leaving the tree till last because coding... 21:15 Sat Nov 8

Hey! I'm working on Patchkit's sibling Petalkit. Just letting you know, I don't mind you copying what I've done on her page. The information we have on them is practically the same anyway. --Stealthfire star (talk) 04:29, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Stealthfire ^^ Okay I did all that stuff 12:57 Sun Nov 9

CBV? 22:08, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Petalkit (TC) - Silver Nomination
First nomination. Just a few questions: I was thinking how to list Shellheart and every other cat after him as family. Shellheart would be a half-nephew or something like that? She is mentioned in The Ultimate Guide. Would she be considered as dead or alive in it? Last one, would she be considered as a Ultimate Guide character? Sorry if this is confusing! --Stealthfire star (talk) 02:46, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

You're fine, it's not confusing :) I believe Shellheart would be a half-nephew. The family tree also needs to be completed (I would offer to do it for you, but I'm quite busy at the moment and don't have the time). I don't know about your other questions, but I'm fairly new to the project as well, so I don't know all that much. 13:51, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yes I need help with that. XD I tried but it's confusing. Can someone give me a lesson on it or something? I looked up the tutorials but I was still pretty confused. --Stealthfire star (talk) 20:51, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

You don't have to worry about the family tree right now, that can be fixed later, and I don't know if there's many people left on the wiki who know how to make and expand them. Skye and I know some, but I can't just build one from scratch, so we'll just worry about that later. (I'll see what I can do to fix it but idk) 20:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! I think it would help to wait and find out each cats genders and see who is the mother of Shellheart anyway. --Stealthfire star (talk) 04:26, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

CBV? 22:08, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Lichenfur + Lichen
Okay, so, this has bothered the daylights out of me ever since SkyClan's Destiny was released. You see this cat? Well, apparently someone decided way back when that she and Lichen, a cat that appeared in Firestar's Quest, were the same. Lichenfur is mottled gray, and Lichen is mottled brown. Now, I realize that could be a mistake, but there isn't really anything that proves these cats are the same, aside from the similar names. Lichenfur's talk page even has this come into question multiple times, so what I'm confused about is why the two pages are merged despite there not being 100% concrete proof they're the same cat. It looks like it was moved back in 2010 and no one seemed to question it at all in the edit history, but due to the fact they don't even have the same description, I'm calling this into major question.

I think until we get confirmation from Vicky, we should split up the pages, but perhaps put a trivia note that they're not the same? 17:14, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there's nothign to say for sure that they are the same cat. Their pages should be split. 18:20 Sun Nov 2 2014

Yes, they should be split. 13:20, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Problem with that logic is honestly how do we know Stoatfur and Heronwing are the same cats from TLH. Their names changed and their pelts changed and even one of their genders changed. So I don't know if I agree for this to split. 20:49, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Because at least with those characters, they're listed in the same Clans. Lichen and Lichenfur were not, and there really isn't anything supporting them being the same cat. With Heronwing, (and some of the others) the descriptions we had was given to use by Kate, not in the story. Therefore, without that, we wouldn't have had a description for Heronwing, and we would have gone about changing the articles like we usually did. I don't quite think they're the same thing, but I do see your point. Plus, we've always done that- how did we know that Runningbrook was the same cat as Tornear's apprentice, Runningpaw? How do we know that Whitepaw (Onewhisker's apprentice), is the same one that is now an elder of WindClan? I could go on for a while with this, if you'd like me to.

Exactly, how do we know that any of them were the same besides their descriptions and Clans, but as I said before I'm ont he line with this, I don't really mind it going either way because I can see both sides. 21:10, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

IMO, if their gender or description changed they should definitely be split - otherwise its up to evidence in the text and if they're in the same time period and Clan they can stay. 22:35 Sat Nov 8 2014

Morning Star ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? He doesn't appear much. 01:21, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Try and find a cite for Sharp Hail being his father. 03:50, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

There we go. Anything else? 04:02, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

cbv? 22:08, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Melting Ice ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 01:21, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Try and find a cite for Sharp Hail being his father. 03:51, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

There we go. Anything else? 04:02, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

cbv? 22:09, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Slate ~ Silver Nomination
I like this cat. Comments? 16:44, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

I went and added page numbers for you. ^^ Perhaps see if you can find another quote? I have a feeling she's going to become very important later. =P

Thank you, I found another one oh I wonder... c: 16:46, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Crow Muzzle - Silver Nomination
my copy hasn't arrived yet but based on the browse inside this looks good. her name is A+ 03:48, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Dancing Leaf - Silver Nomination
once again looks good according to the browse inside. 03:54, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Category for Faded Cats
Hi all! As I was working on Events pages for PW I was wondering why don't we have a category for faded cats? Faded cats are in no place, so they aren't in StarClan or the Dark Forest anymore, and they are one step farther than dead. Even if we had a subcategory under the dead cats category, I think it's needed. 14:58, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

can i get some comments guys? 22:09, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean cats like Tigerstar and Spottedleaf or cats like Maggottail, also, would it count for cats outside the clans like Tadpole? --Stealthfire star (talk) 22:15, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I mean for cats that have known to be faded, like Tigerstar, Spottedleaf, and Antpelt. 22:17, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I see. Yes I think a catergory for these cats is good. It would be a huge spoiler though XD. --Stealthfire star (talk) 22:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

The entire wiki is one huge spoiler. The names themselves are spoilers. Book titles can even be spoilers. Everything is a spoiler. I say make a category for it.

Larchkit (TC) ~ Silver Nomination
Thought I'd get the last kit of the family out of the way. Comments? --Stealthfire star (talk) 22:39, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Falling Dusk - Silver Nomination
yay love dis name comments? 01:31, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Ziggy ~ Silver Nomination
Stardust. Comments? 01:37, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe a few more quotes if possible? I can help if you don't have access to the book. --Stealthfire star (talk) 06:46, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

825+ Silver Articles!!!
Hey guys, just wanted to say great work! About 27 articles ago we reached 800 silver grade articles. This is an amazing accomplishment, and I wanted to tell you guys! Keep up the astonishing work! 01:37, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Queens, kits, and ranks
Okay, so, I was talking to Atelda and she said that I should probably bring this to PC. You know how we give the queen rank (or an image) to any she-cat mentioned to have been the mother (or have given birth to) a certain cat, like Sweetbriar being the mother of Pinestar, or Silverflame being the mother of Brightflower? Well, wouldn't that same logic be applied and grant these characters the kit rank as well, since we give their mothers the queen rank for having been confirmed to give birth to them? This would also apply to a couple other characters, like Dustpelt, who has both his parents confirmed (and his brother has a cited kit rank), Bird That Rides the Wind, the New Prophecy Arc Stoneteller, Moonflower, Goosefeather, who have all had their parents at least confirmed to exist. and that none of them popped out of nowhere and all of that.

Idk, this is written really badly, but basically I'm asking this: if we apply giving the queen rank to she-cats who have been confirmed to been a mother to a certain cat, why do we not also give the said confirmed children of those cats kit images? If the mothers have been said to have given birth (otherwise they would not be cited as queens), then why shouldn't they be cited to have been born and all of that? I am so sorry this doesn't make a lick of sense;;;;

I see what you mean. I think in a way it is sorta conclusive proof they were kits. Saying they are the mother is basically saying they raised them from when they were born (usually anyway) --Stealthfire star (talk) 06:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)