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Queen Blanks ~ For Approval
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

The lineart looks choppy in places, could you smoothen it out a bit? One way to do this is add a few pixils to the edges where it curves and it gives the illusion of smoothness  21:08, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also, now that I have a bit more time to comment, the shoulder of the paw on the ground is much too defined and large right now, and the place where it connects to the head is lined up in a way that it doesn't look connected to the actual leg. Try and follow the curve of where the lines would be if they were visible. The front paw that's on the ground also looks a bit twisted with that extra line on our left side. I'm not sure if that's the dew claw or a line to try and define the paw some more. If it's the dew claw, make it stick out a bit from the leg, so it appears more like an actual toe that has mass to it. The chest needs to follow the curve of the belly more, and as I said before, the chest would be in front of our right front leg at this angle. The place the elbow connects to the body shouldn't be visible. Try and thin out the haunch a bit, as she's starting to look a bit just overall chubby rather than pregnant. Our right back leg seems to both be oddly positioned (too high and too far to our left) and doesn't quite look clearly like a paw. It looks more like the bend in the leg right now, but nothing goes past the bent front foot that would show. Try and make the tail a bit more of a consistent thickness, only getting slightly thinner at the tip, and overall just slim it down a bit. Also, the eyes look a bit odd right now, like they don't quite match the way the other was drawn (trust me, I know what a pain they can be x.x), try and pick either one of them and make the other eye match a bit better. I do believe with cats, the back leg doesn't have a dew claw, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, please remove that. And try and make the shape of the back paw curve with where the toes would be, rather than just a random kind of "guessed" curve with toes added in. That's a bit hard for me to explain, and if it doesn't make sense I can redline that part. And finally, the whiskers still look kind of choppy and just not very smooth at all, try and smooth them out.

The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and straight and is throwing off the nose. The nose doesn't really look like a cat's nose, it looks more like a triangle. The muzzle needs to be smoothed out more, and the eyes' lineart seems to be choppy in places. Also, the front left (our right) leg looks like it bending in a bunch of directions and the lineart is choppy. The face sort of reminds me of one of my grade-school bus-drivers. *shudders*  21:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah gonna be away til Thursday so I'll upload then. <span style="">22:35 Mon Jul 15

Marshcloud (W) ~ For Approval
Any suggestions for improvement? Splashmist3271 (talk) 20:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, all RiverClan cats are longhairs, unless they are stated to be shorthaired ^^;. Nice work of the stripes! Bb un   legs  20:59, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define the shading a lot. 21:00, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, will do! It might be a bit though. Splashmist3271 (talk) 21:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the earpink looks rather solid. Can you blur it just a smidge? 21:40, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes go onto the lineart. Remove, please (I love your tabby style)? 21:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it- is this better? Splashmist3271 (talk) 22:34, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be defined a ton. And the tail looks rather odd-shaped. 22:36, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I fixed it again. The tail is supposed to look kind of odd because he is described as having a short tail. Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:16, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste along his spine. Thin the tail, and blur the shading a lot. 23:25, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'll fix the waste, but I'm not sure how to blur the shading without blurring the tabby marks... Anyways, I have to go now, so the edited version probably won't be up until tomorrow. Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

What program do you use, Splashmist? 23:38, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I use Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 --Splashmist3271 (talk) 12:50, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I fixed the tail & shading (I tried some lighting too), and I added goldenish stripes just cuz. Splashmist3271 (talk) 14:45, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste by his front legs and chest. I really like this! 17:12, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by his far ear, in between his legs, and tail (I didn't see that at first). And I think the lineart at the tail-tip is blurred. 17:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh okay, that's at least an easy fix! Glad you like it :)  Splashmist3271 (talk) 17:21, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I deleted the waste. Splashmist3271 (talk) 17:45, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit. 17:51, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 20:11, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Round out the lineart on the tail or something, it looks a tad square. I really like the stripes. 23:22, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so should I blur the stripes or not? Silvereye1 and Trollsky are contradicting each other... Splashmist3271 (talk) 01:05, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

They're not. xD You can blur the stripes if you wish.

Okay, I darkened the shading, but I didn't blur the stripes because it looked a tad bit strange with the dark shading. Anything else I should do? 12:37, July 4, 2013 (UTC)Splashmist3271 (talk)

The stripes appear to be lost in the shading. Have you tried setting your shading layer to multiply and seeing what that does? If you need help, go ahead and ask one of us, and perhaps we could set up a join.me session? I use PS, so I'm familiar with the tools you're working with.

Could you (or someone else) help? I'm lost... this is my first charart. Splashmist3271 (talk) 16:32, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Usually for a charart to make it easier to edit, we usually separate base color, shading, lineart, and other markings on separate layers. Without them, it makes charart editing more complicated. If you already use layers, awesome. Just go to your shading layer, and above it, there is a drop down box. Click on that, and change the setting from "normal", or whatever you may have it on, to "multiply". It darkens it and shows markings below it. You can adjust the opacity from there to make your shading how dark or light you want it to be. Hope that helps! I absolutely love those stripes! <span style="">04:29 Fri Jul 5

Thanks so much for the help! Is this better, or is the shading too dark? --Splashmist3271 (talk) 13:46, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the stripes juuussst a tad? 18:35, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think the stripes are fine, along with the shading. ^^ But could you try fixing that tiny 'dip' in his tail lineart and make it a bit more smooth? 05:12, July 7, 2013 (UTC)

Might I suggest this lineart for the tail, Splash? If not, that's fine :) 20:32, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 21:06, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

If this is still being worked on, would this be considered a triangle tabby, or no? 03:54, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I think so.

I really like the lineart Sorrel, but I don't really want to start all over again. Is this better? --Splashmist3271 (talk) 20:27, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

The shading could be blurred a bit, and the stripes seem to get lost in the shading. Maybe set the shading layer onto multiply? 20:29, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

He's also looking a tad green in color. <span style="">22:30 Sat Jul 13

I don't really know what to do about blurring the shading because I had to close my photoshop program while I went on vacation, so now the layers aren't separated (into main, stripes, shading, etc.), so it would be really hard to do around the stripes. I already set the shading layer onto multiply, and I think it looks fine. Also, I don't really think it looks green... --Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:02, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Raven, it does look a tad bit green. 23:18, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really know what you want me to do about that... --Splashmist3271 (talk) 23:57, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Change the colors. Move the color closer to red/orange and farther from yellow.

Is that better or is that too ginger? --Splashmist3271 (talk) 14:33, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry that the layers aren't separated anymore, but the problems still need to be fixing. You can either withdraw or forge on ahead with this, but either way, I agree with the comments above that have not been addressed. The shading needs blurring and the stripes probably ought to be changed. You can go here to possibly try out a different tabby pattern. 20:10, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

I read and addressed every comment above; I already blurred the shading, and multiplied it, and darkened the shading, and fixed the stripes, and everything else that people said to do. I actually just looked at the Apprentice Tutorial page yesterday, coincidentally- I saw all of the tabby designs, but I also remember that there was a whole conversation about 'triangle tabbies' (which I THINK that mine would be classified as) and last I heard people were allowed to draw them. ANYWAYS, I can't edit right now because I am out of town for my Great-Grandmother's funeral, so I don't have any of my files (at least I have A computer!). --Splashmist3271 (talk) 02:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, regardless, the shading still needs blurring.

I'll blur it on Monday when I get back, but I don't feel that I have to change the stripes. --Splashmist3271 (talk) 13:54, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm like 90% sure, that triangle tabbies were agreed upon not to be drawn, but I'm not 100% sure this is indeed one. But anyways define the shading on the base of the tail, the base of the haunch, and the paws some. x3 19:27, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll fix the shading when I get home. 90% of the people who commented on this said that they liked the stripes, so I don't feel that I need to change it. --Splashmist3271 (talk) 00:08, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we did say that triangle tabbies weren't really allowed, so...I would say change the tabby style. There are many others. ^^ Also, that edge of the shading on the back seems to be...sudden, like, it becomes suddenly darker from the rest of the shading. (sorry, don't know how to explain it. xD) 22:02, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Heatherstar (D) ~ For Approval
Every single colour matches the leader. I got the hex code for the shading from Beebs; thanks Beebs! My first deputy, and I'm quite proud of her. Comment away~ 14:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a bit. Nicely done~

Reuploaded thanks x3 14:49, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the front leg closest to us, maybe? Bb un   legs  01:31, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts just the tiniesttt bit? c: Good job ^^ 04:04, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

You do not have the date on the table, which is as good as not reserving. Declined. <span style="">1:25 Fri Jul 12 2013

What? I forgot! I'm so sorry, please let's add it in! 06:50, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

I added it in. I'm sorry, it won't happen again, I just forgot to add the date. 11:16, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded thanks, Misty :) 11:25, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Nice! Fix the tail shading a little? The way the tail is currently shaded makes it look sort of wavey :2 You don't have to fix it if you don't agree though <span style="">02:59 Sun Jul 14

I think its fine. 03:05, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps not wavy as Kelpsey said, but it does throw off the consistency with the light source. The light source looks like it's coming from our left side on the chest, and head, as well as the tip of the tail. However, on the hind leg, the light looks like it's coming from directly in front because there's just a spot of darkness on the (our) left edge of the lineart and since it looks like it's being continued from the hind leg down to the tail, that's where your light source for the middle tail highlight as well as the light source from our left side with the tail tip. Just extend the hind leg highlight in a gradual slope down starting at our right side and going till it matches up with the tail tip. 03:40, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded If this isn't right, please don't shoot me. 11:20, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Can I prod for comments comments or if its ready, CBA? Been over a day since the last comment. 22:47, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Remove the highlight on the lower part of the hind leg, and the highlights on the tail should connect. The shading also slightly recedes from the spine. 22:59, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 09:01, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Can this be commented on again, or CBA'd? I want to squeeze in another charart before I go on holiday on August 8th. (I'll note on the vacation list nearer to the date) 14:40, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Could you remove the bit of shading along the front of her haunch, and on the raised forepaw? 01:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 01:40, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the front leg furthest from us - I can't see any (it's the one that's raised/bent) c: 03:29, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded this look ready? 09:53, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Doespring (A) ~ For Approval
ouo <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond  <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  23:07, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading or unshaded parts? It looks a bit flat 00:26, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <font color="#00CC66">Sho <font color="#66FF99">ond  <font color="33FF99">erp  <font color="#CC99FF">Like nobody’s around~  12:02, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the tail and get rid of the light spot on the far back legs, as your light source appears to be coming from the front.

I think when you blur the whole thing/Gaussian blur some shading areas recede a little. Repaint the area directly left of her shoulder, and left/under her leg. Also define tail shading. :3 <span style="">03:03 Sun Jul 14

Re-uploaded -- 23:16, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

She still looks a bit flat. Maybe just the unshaded parts this time? Otherwise good job! ^^  01:51, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- Thank you~ 11:27, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the tail? And the shading looks like it's receded from the edge a bit where the far hind leg meets the haunch. Lookin' good~ <span style="">03:04, 07/20/2013

Re-uploaded 15:09, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Pigeonpaw (A) ~ For Approval
Comments? c: 23:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

The shade of gray doesn't match the kit image, and the smudging is both too extreme and needs to follow the flow of the fur and the body.

Reuploaded Changes are not showing, I believe. Is this okay? 22:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

His paws and legs look rather grey. Maybe just erase a little shading there? He looks very nice! <span style="">23:35 Wed Jul 10

Nice job, Misty! However, I do believe that there's a (faint but present) layer of texture on the gray on the kit c: Bb  un   legs  02:05, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source coming from?

Personal preference undefined, but the shading is really dark to me. Lighten or keep, if no one agrees. Maybe it's just my screen <span style="">03:06 Sun Jul 14

Hmm, would you like the file for the kit to help ya' out, Misty? o3o 01:13, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Whoops, sorry for being late >.< I wanted to upload the redone shading before I did anything else p: Oh, and sure, I guess so, Beebs c: (do you need my email again?)  01:19, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

The white is looking gray. 23:44, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 14:56, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Doespring (Ki) ~For Approval
I think she looks O.K xD But eh I'm not sure. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 00:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define her shading? She looks a bit flat. 03:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 03:30, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps sharpen it just a little more? 03:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 03:53, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Liittle more, still looks overblurred and a bit flat as a result.

Re-ups. GIMPs being a pain. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 14:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thin out the shading; I can hardly see that she's pale brown... 15:52, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

The backround won't go away... 1 second.. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 16:15, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

This needs to be a .png file, not a .jpg. Please fix that.

Re-ups. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 16:48, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you lighten up her a little bit more, and then add/define "highlights" (not necessarily a new layer, just places where there is no shading) to the paws, legs, face, and maybe a little on the tail there. Nice job~ <span style="">18:28 Wed Jul 10

Re-ups. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 18:42, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named File:Doespring.kit.png <span style="">22:52 Wed Jul 10

^ Bloo is right. What you need to do, is you need to "Export" the file from GIMP[if that's what you use], save it again, check all the boxes except the very top one, then it becomes a png file. 13:46, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups 05:28, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. 17:45, July 12, 2013 (UTC) 16:06, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the face. It's also suggest you look at the Signature Policy and try to make your signature a template so that it doesn't create a wall of coding. <span style="">4:59 Sat Jul 13 2013

Okie. And I did. 05:28, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups, I can change it if its still too dark. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 20:12, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the face more. <span style="">19:30, 07/18/2013

Define the tail shading a bit. 03:36, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 05:53, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. It looked weird when I uploaded it... <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 17:43, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Bess (KP) - For Approval
lamborghini mercy, splook is so thirsty <span style="">19:55 Wed Jul 10

I don't know if it's my computer, but the shading is so dark on her already dark pelt that I can't see it or the lineart. Could you lighten it a little and maybe add highlights? 21:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Ivy. Also, lighten the left ear pink a tad to match the other? 03:50, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="">15:52 Thu Jul 11

I don't know if the shading on the leg should be that way, it makes it look liek it's coming from a didfferent way to the rest. She's preeeetty 06:07, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading some? If you want I can shoot through the rogue's file ouo <span style="">15:16 Fri Jul 12

Reuploaded. Thanks Berry, I'll ask you if the colors are off ouo Just a heads up, I'm leaving for a week tomorrow for vacation and won't have computer access. Hope you all understand. <span style="">00:30 Sun Jul 14

I can barely see the lineart and texture. 19:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 15:41, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the hind paw is really gray. She's pretty~ 20:17, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Splook is gone for a week - she's at camp. If you would do me a favor and just hold this for her, that would be great. She just forgot to warn you guys in advance. 02:02, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Barkface (Ki) ~ For Approval
hello there friends. <span style="">06:15, 07/13/2013

Blur the shading a ton.

Reuploaded. <span style="">17:19, 07/13/2013

Now it's really dark on the neck while it's barely visible in the other places. If you're using gaussian blur, I'd suggest not using that on kits. Not enough control. Define the shading everywhere but the neck, and maybe expand it too.

Reups Completely redid shading, and changed light source. <span style="">02:46, 07/14/2013

Blur the shading on the front legs a bit? c: 02:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, but if someone else says to blur it, I'll do it. c: <span style="">02:54, 07/14/2013

Blur most of the shading, and perhaps lighten it a bit, too. 02:59, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Reups. <span style="">19:00, 07/14/2013

Can I prod for comments, or if its ready, CBA? Been over a day since the last comment. <span style="">23:24, 07/15/2013

Blur the neck shading.

Reups. <span style="">19:35, 07/16/2013

Perhaps make the tail a bit thinner to match the thickness of the other shorthaired cats' tails more. x3 23:47, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reups ahhh his tail is so little and cute<33 <span style="">14:47, 07/17/2013

Blur the facial shading just a tiny bit. 19:34, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded <span style="">16:58, 07/21/2013

Mothflight (Star) - For Approval
After researching some chararting stuff, I've finally made my first wiki charart! *Hooray sound effect* I smudged it a bit to give the appearance of fur, hope it's not minded...

Kelpsery, this is absolutely fantastic! Maybe blur the shading a bit - mainly on the back/near the face. c: 02:41, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks too yellow. 02:44, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with tinted shading, perhaps expand the shading on the head a little? So it doesn't look as flat. This is really pretty Kelps~ c: <span style="">02:48 Sun Jul 14

REUPLOADED 2X <span style="">03:34 Sun Jul 14

The texture in the shading is really awesome. However, the shading still needs blurring as well as definition so I suggest (if you use layers) to overlay a layer of shading underneath (or over, it depends on how it looks to you) with a little lower opacity to really emphasis the shading and add depth while still keeping the fur texture. On the earpink, you might want to try smudging up (vertically) rather than to the side (horizontally). You also could try adding some depth in the eyes by varying the color shades. Nice job so far. 03:50, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'll fix the image in a sec, but before I tweak I wanted to say that I disagree with your comment on the eyes, as I took a really long time to make sure all the colors and stuff blended in. If someone else says something about that, I'll fix though :3 And thanks you guys! <span style="">05:22 Sun Jul 14

I agree with 'teldy on the eyes, and perhaps lighten them up a tad? I can barely tell them apart from the lineart, and had to quint to see them.

Also, on the back, close to the head, that shading seems a tad too dark, could you lighten it a little? This is splendid, nice work  06:14, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

REUP. Thanks! The dark shading near the head was actually a shadow, I made it invisible. Here we go weeeeeeeeee <span style="">19:58 Sun Jul 14

Hate to rush, but this has gone over a full day without comment. So, constructive comments? <span style="">22:31 Mon Jul 15

The earpink color and base pelt color are off a few shades when comparing this to the rest of the images. The earpink needs to fill the ear, or at least the top half of it. 22:56, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

So, upon realizing that I need to match images, I (painstakingly) redid the whole image. And restyled the earpink less realisticly to fill the ear. Am I allowed to, like, take away my image rights? <span style="">05:46 Tue Jul 16

Blur the shading a bit. This is wonderful~

 Re-up . NOT happy with this at all. I would be more than happy to tweak from the previous version, if you agree. Thanks Sky! <span style="">15:04 Tue Jul 16

You can always withdraw and you didn't have to completely redo it. How to do the art and follow the critiques is completely up to you so long as it matches the description. Blur the right (our right) side of the chest and the right fore paw. 16:37, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

This image is over 50% and 80% complete, so I have changed the heading to "For Approval" and will move you up to apprentice. <span style="">2:41 Sun Jul 21 2013

Hickorynose (Alt W) - For Approval
And here's the alt to go with it! Everything is from the warrior except pelt color, tinting has been changed to suit a gray cat, and earpink is slightly different (I don't feel like the color is right though, can someone help direct me to which color gradient is most appropriate?) 06:11, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Define eye depth, and I can't see the light source. <span style="">19:46 Sun Jul 14

I think both are fine, perhaps just expand the unshaded area around his shoulder and the shading depth on his front paws. x3 19:56, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah the eyes are the same as on the Warrior so I'd really rather not touch it. I'll see what I can do about that in a little Duck ^^  21:48, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur the highlight around the chest area? 12:13, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I tried, does this look any better? <:  06:18, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Could you enlarge the highlight on his chest area? 00:59, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the highlight more, and define the shading. 02:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the highlight, if any, on the front leg closest to us, and the hind leg closest to us. Nice work! 03:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bristlekit (Ki) ~ Under Evaluation
Bristlekit is back up! Forgot to put in the table last time. I also fixed the shading and the mottled-look. Comment away! ^_^  23:44, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't find one. Also, blur the shading a lot once you have one. <span style="">01:08, 07/15/2013

Didn't notice this at first, but remove the background. <span style="">01:12, 07/15/2013

There is no background.. :/ But I'll do the shading..and if I have time I'll find a tool that /removes/ backgrounds..possibly the eraser. 08:30, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I fixed the shading, adding a light source. If you know how to get rid of the background when it's on gimp, please tell me so I can forward it to Darkfrost as well. o.o 08:52, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I changed the shading, using a darker color and having a lighter source. Changed the eyes, since I thought these looked cool for a WC cat. And I got rid of the background. 16:00, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Base pelt needs to be less gray and more black, and shading needs to be blurred, defined and thinned out. 16:01, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

It is black..you may be talking about the gray shading. Or you didn't see the changes. But I'll thin out the shading and blur it. 16:06, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorrel's correct. This appears to be a bit light for a black cat.

Re-uploaded. Sorry Sorrel and Cloudy, I realized you guys were right. I made him darker. 16:23, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ear pink's rather too neon. And that gray bit/highlight in the middle either needs to be made darker and blurred. 16:34, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Is the grey chest the base pelt or the shading? If it's the shading; perhaps change it to another color? So it's not confusing. <span style="">22:11 Mon Jul 15

The patch of bright highlight in the center of its chest isn't enough to really tell us where the light source is. Add some highlights to the face and legs, and make it darker and less sharp. If you need any help, feel free to leeve a message on my talk and I'll help :3 <span style="">22:49 Mon Jul 15

Re-uploaded. I narrowed the shading in the middle down, making it the light source. And I made the ear pink more pink. And thanks Kelpsey, I will:)  23:36, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the highlight on the chest, and define the shading. Also, expand the earpink to the whole ear. ^^  01:32, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Expanded the ear pink, defined the shading, and blurred the highlight. 01:56, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Remove the random gray dot in the middle of the chest. This has improved quite a lot since you first put him up x3 15:06, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. And thank you, Sorrel. xD 20:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Not rushing, but it's been about a full day since someone commented on this. So, I'm kind of waiting for someone to say "CBA" or something..is it and will it? 19:23, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? Also, define the shading, and then blur it. The earpink is also looking a bit purplish and too florescent. 19:40, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

I was told to remove the light source. Defined the shading already. And blurred it. I matched everyone else's shading skills that got CBA'd. And if you lean in, you can see my shading better. But I'll make the ear pink more pinker. 19:52, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, you were told to remove the random gray dot in the middle of the chest. Either way, here's a guide to shading placement. And it doesn't matter if you already defined and blurred the shading, I'm asking you to do it again because there really shouldn't be an excessive need for me to lean in to try and make out the shading. Also, if you want to talk about matching shading skills, take your image, set the base pelt to something like a florescent pink, and then ask for another user's image with layers (.xcf, .psd, etc.) set the base pelt to the same color as you set yours, and then compare the two. I'm not saying to post them but just look and compare the two. 19:58, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Don't be angry...I'm new to this. I'm not sure how to do some of that. I'll try again. What should a light source look like? 20:03, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The light source is basically the light and what direction it's coming from. You have to think about where the light would hit and where it wouldn't. If you look at the shading guide Teldy linked and shade where it says to you should be fine. If you need help with some things feel free to leave a message on my talkpage or pop into chat for a bit and I'll try to help out some. ouo <span style="">20:22, 07/17/2013

Thank you, Shimmer. I'll have it re-uploaded tomorrow morning. 23:05, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added shading with a positive light source from the left side. I also made the ear pink more pink, destroying the neon. Anything else? 12:11, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Make the shading less blotchy, and make the ear pink a little more on the gray-ish level. This appears too purple-ish pink to really fit well with the pelt color you've picked.

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading and ear pink. Anything else? 20:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Shading looks rather blotchy. 21:32, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It looks as though you're working over the lineart, also the earpink is looking a tad to neon. Black cats generally have a pale skin color. <span style="">23:36 Sat Jul 20

Meadowslip (W) ~ Under Evaluation
Meadowslip is back, and I made sure I was in the table this time! -Fixed the shading majorly- Comments? 23:43, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't see that a consistent one has been kept throughout the shading. Make the earpink more of a pink color, it's tending towards purple now. Also, blur the shading a lot, it's looking blotchy as of now. <span style="">01:00, 07/15/2013

Oh, also, remove the background. <span style="">01:11, 07/15/2013

Also, add more shading, and some on the head, and make it darker. <span style="">02:33 Mon Jul 15

Define the light on her front legs. 16:42, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur shading a ton, add light to front legs, expand earpink, and make the earpink less neon and more pink/paleish grayish. I feel like the color description I just gave you is extremely vague, so around this hex code=>8A7266 nice job so far. :] <span style="">22:58 Mon Jul 15

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Kelpsey. And, sorry this took awhile. I'm not sure if this is what you guys were looking for, but while I was working on it, I did a darker shading and a lighter ear pink. If you guys hate the shading texture, I'll change it. 01:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still no light source. You need to find where the light is coming from (ie; top right) and then figure out where the shaded areas would be based on that. There's a shading chart here on the tutorials that you can look at if you need to. And define the earpink and make it a bit more grayish? It can barely be seen and still looks a bit neon-ish, imho. Try around #be9b9b? <span style="">02:16, 07/16/2013

Shimmer is right on the shading..but I think the ear pink is fine[sorry!] 09:50, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shimmer, I respect your opinion greatly on the ear pink, but if I go any grayer, it will be transparent. So I'd prefer to keep it the way it is. And it doesn't look neon, it looks pink. Also, I will redo the shading according to your wish. I was just imagining Meadowslip in the long grass, stalking a mouse when I did her shading. I'll upload around 9-10am my time. 09:53, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Shimmer on the earpink. It does still look a bit neon, and it needs to be defined, and made more gray-ish. 11:18, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading[I think it looks amazing now]. I added a light source to the shading as well. I made the pink more gray and less neon. Any more problems? 13:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs to be blurred and defined a lot.And I don't think the light source makes sense. Take a look at the warrior's shading placement here for a little guide. 14:57, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading to match with the exmp..since that's what it seemed you guys were looking for..anything else? 21:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart on the head, and the ear pink still looks too neon.

Define the shading quite a bit. 23:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Although it may be just me, she looks a bit too pale, sorta nearing gray...maybe darken the base color a bit? Only if you want, though o3o 01:50, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, this wasn't declined before because you weren't on the table, it was declined because Icy had it reserved long before you. And she still does. Declining yet again. Please check the archives when you have an image declined to see the reasoning before posting.

Oh goodness, it's been much too long. I'm sorry, I confused the one week limit on original image reservations with the two week limit on tweak calling. So Icy's reservation expired before you reserved, I'm sorry. I'll undecline this. However it is going as Under Evaluation, as you're a kit.

I think the lineart's a bit blurred in places. 13:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is not blurred, that is a darker shading. Trust me, I double checked. And, I'm not sure what "Under Evaluation" is supposed to mean. And, if Icy still wants to do Meadowslip, I can let her have it. I'm just a mild beginner at this, and I'm not that good at lighter cats as you can tell. :/ I'll practice lighter cats, though. But if Icy wants it, she can do it and I'll do a darker cat. :) I don't mind at all. ;) 19:18, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme upload again and see if you guys like it.. 19:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Under evaluation is explained in the guidelines and Icy's reservation is invalid also explained in the guidelines. The lineart should look exactly the same as it does without a base pelt, shading, earpink, and the works with the exception of maybe the eye when concerning this particular cat. The shading needs to be emphasized and blurred as well, and their ought to be some shading on the tail. 19:44, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is blurred and needs to be fixed. Also, define and blure the shading, it looks really flat. The earpink needs to be defined, I sort of have to squint to see it. Are you using layers? And what program do you use? 20:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you're working over the lineart. o.O Try working under it, as that's what's making it look off.

Could you make the gray a bit darker? Right now, it's a bit more like pale grey. 23:04, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Well, after a quick review of Meadowslip's profile, I noticed it only said gray. Not pale gray. So oh yeah, I made her gray. Fixed the line art. The line art on the head looks weird to me, but I didn't know if that's how it's supposed to be. I also fixed the shading, making sure there is a light source. Anything more? 12:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

We're not out of the woods yet. Blur the shading. 14:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried out a new tool for the shading, and it worked wonders... I think it's almost perfect now. And I fixed the line art on the head because it was driving me nuts. Are we almost out of that woods now, Sorrel? xD 17:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. Try Gaussian blurring the shading layer. Gaussian blurring will make the shading look more like shading. Right now the shading looks rather like a blurred paintbrush size 9, and nothing else. 18:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart on the head looks odd. I would like you to fix that. Also, you can raise the opacity and rate of your blur tool to make it blur much more than that. And the ear pink is a little neon, and you can see here to grab a color that would suit gray more. Blur the ear pink some more. Also, the shading looks very flat, and define the highlight on the back paws if you'd like. The lineart is blurred in some places. Do you use layers, by any chance? 20:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes I use layers. And I use GIMP, Hawky. Also, blurred the ear pink more. Put some highlight on the back paws. Increased my blur rate[didn't know you could do that xD]. And I have it set as a much darker gray...I don't know why the wikia isn't uploading it right. :/ 20:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart still looks odd... it's like it was "painted over"... and the shading needs to be darkened, blurred, and spread out a little more (last part is imho and totally optional).

Re-uploaded. Spread it a little and blurred it, but I didn't do it too much because I feared it would look pixelated. I also fixed the lineart, sorry that I painted over it a little..anything else? 21:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It still needs expanding and defining. Use the shading placement link I gave you, and did you try using Gaussian blur? 21:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ Under Evaluation
So after careful analysis, here's my first Charart! Hawktalon (talk) 00:04, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, and doesn't he need texture? 00:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the fur strands you see in the rogue picture? Hawktalon (talk) 00:09, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's what Beebs means. It's gotta be there, considering it's on the rogue. They've gotta match. Also, based off the rogue, there should be a lighter underbelly, muzzle, and paws. And there's some waste by the head on the <-- side. <span style="">00:13, 07/16/2013

You might also want to define the shading too. <span style="">02:09 Tue Jul 16

Shading looks a tad flat. 13:31, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Since this is your first image, I believe this needs to be 'Under Evaluation' so I changed the heading ^^  03:53, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the right ear. Thistleflight (talk) 21:24, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foreleg furthest from us. 14:54, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Algernon (Ro) ~ CBA
Hiya. His name is cool.

How do you art? ;A; Maybe define the bottom of the tail shading a bit? This is amazing! 22:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded... uh, no idea...

Define the body shading a bit? 06:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Blur it a tad and define the facial highlight. 00:11, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine as it is. If I blur it, I'll get told to define it again, and this is a difficult color to work with as it is.

I think it's fine. Comments before approval? <span style="">6:12 Sun Jul 21 2013

Flamepelt (E) ~ For Approval
Re-posted! Um, I tried to fix all of the things Knight suggested before this got declined. Changes aren't showing. Comments? 01:46, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the paw shading just a tad? Nice work, Shade 01:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded Thanks! Changes not showing. 01:57, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

The stripes still look a tad paintbrushy imho, smudge them a bit more? 05:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I don't think the changes are showing. 22:55, July 18, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Could just be me, but the stripes almost look redder up front. 00:07, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Heatherstar(Star) - CBA
Wooooo, my 20th original! Comments? 05:32, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Define ths shading on the legs and face. 08:34, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

She looks cross-eyed.

Re-uploaded 03:56, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and expand nearly all the shading, and define it on the head and face. <span style="">2:02 Fri Jul 19 2013

Re-uploaded 03:23, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes still look dilated. -if you don't know what that means, it means big- 12:52, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes are gonna look big, the base has bigger eyes. x.x 15:45, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I had this reserved… thanks for looking at the page.

I actually did look on the page, but as you can see by this edit, your reservation was on July 2nd, reservations only last one week, so I could reserve this for myself, as it was eight days after your reservation ran out. x3 17:38, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 02:01, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think the back shading (or whatever it's called) is fine, but everything else should be blurred.

Re-uploaded 02:29, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? <span style="">2:39 Sun Jul 21 2013

Finchkit (Star) ~ For Approval
Ugh I dun like how this turned out <span style="">06:19, 07/17/2013

O I just noticed I forgot to change the date from my previous reservation. I'm not entirely sure if that affects this considering it's like a minute after that I noticed and I'm changing it? Someone tell me whether or not this gets declined? /shot <span style="">06:24, 07/17/2013

Could you blur the stripes just a tad to match her other image? 03:48, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Just lighten the shading juuussst a smidge? If not, that's okay. 20:38, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs lightened, and blurred a touch. <span style="">2:01 Fri Jul 19 2013

Thicken the stripes just by a pixel or two, and define the pale belly. 00:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">16:09, 07/20/2013

The black shading is throwing the color off, could you tint it a different color perhaps? 00:07, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sparrow (Cat) (Ro) - CBA
Comments, please? =) 01:37, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

odfmsfjsfs teldy how. Maybe define the eye depth just a tad? 01:38, July 19, 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, imho.

No, Ii agree with Beebs, wonderful job as usual! 00:04, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, eye style is artist's choice, guys. We should respect that. And honestly, it's /three pixels/, and the image looks fine with her chosen eye color.

I must disagree, if anyone else had an eyecolor where you couldn't make out the depth easily we'd ask them to define it, and I can just barely make out the eye depth here, you can show eye depth in /two pixels/, look at most of the kits, and eye style and eye depth are different, however if 'teldy wants to leave it, I'll be okay, I just think it could be defined more. 04:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

R e u p l o a d e d. A n d j u s t b y t h e w a y , e y e s m a n . Please note that this is just evidence and I mean absolutely no offense to any of these artists as these are all beautiful images. And can we just talk about how these are in alphabetical order and we're just in the B's.  05:43, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? <span style="">2:38 Sun Jul 21 2013

Mudthorn (W) ~ CBA
Comments, eheh? I'll define the earpink in my next upload c: 01:16, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

OMSC Beebs he is sexy~ Define the neck shading a tad. 01:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Defined the earpink. I think the neck shading is fine, but if someone disagrees, I'll change it. o3o Thank you! 01:21, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I think it could be defined a touch x3 This is breathtaking... 01:41, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up 01:49, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? 17:40, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Stagleap (Ki) ~ For Approval
oh look berry's back <span style="">01:48 Sat Jul 20

Blur the shading on his tail. Looks great! 12:14, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I'd rather not. That tail is the hardest mother to work with, if I blur it anymore you won't even be able to tell there's shading there. <span style="">13:44 Sat Jul 20

Okay, I respect your decision. 16:36, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Flamepelt (W) - For Approval
scarly loves her days off with wifi....and Flamepelt too, I suppose. Comments? 03:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the stripes a bit? They look lighter compared to the elder. Nice work, Scar! 03:31, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 13:59, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that there are as many stripes on her his elder, and the stripes are a tad thicker on his elder, wonderful work! 17:45, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Heatherstar (A) ~ For Approval
Colors are all the same as the leader. I have tried to define the shading as much as possible on the haunch, but it keeps fading out, so that's as defined as it can be. Comments? 15:58, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm maybe define the shading on the area between the top of the haunch and tail, maybe? And maybe smudge the fur into the earpink, as well. Nice work, Hawky! 15:59, July 20, 2013 (UTC)\

'''Re-uploaded. '''Why thank you, Beebs. I left the earpink because it it blurred on her other images. 16:05, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shoulder shading. 01:59, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Changes might not be showing. 02:26, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Blurred shading on chest. 02:29, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Whiteberry (W) ~ Under Evaluation
My first charart on the team! You may be slightly surprised by how well this turned out. I used the exact colors from the elder version, and they match up well. Comment away~ 22:02, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

This is nice for a first charart! Blur the shading a bit, though. 22:08, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

As this is your first image, the heading needs to be "under evaluation". Define the shading, blur it as suggested, and expand it. I'm also unsure of the lightsource, and where it is?

Re-uploaded. And thanks, Beebs. I blurred the shading and expanded it. I made sure you could see where the light source was coming from[left front, like Whiteberry is facing the sunrise]. 12:30, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Add some shading to his neck. Not bad, for your first! I remember mine; Yellowfang's star. Living hell! xp 14:51, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dawnstripe (Star) ~ For Approval
I've wanted to do a charart for this cat for so long you have no idea 05:14, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

I like the texture..blur the shading on the front paws. 12:33, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Deadfoot (A) - For Approval
Comments? First black cat c: <span style="">07:29 Sun Jul 21