Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Allegiances, Cliffnotes and Galleries - Subpages?
Alright so I was talking to Cloudy earlier about this and asked her why the allegiance, gallery, and cliffnote pages weren't subpages of their respective books. That's basically what they are; extensions to the main book article that have just been given their own page. Also, the chapter pages are made as subpages, as well as the new browse pages, so it'd make sense to have them all that way. It'd require edits to a couple templates, but nothing too major would need changing except for the page names. It would also help it seem a bit more organized on category pages and just when browsing to have them as subpages. So I think we should move them. What do you guys think? 08:10, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be up for this. I've never quite understood why they're regular pages myself, and I've wondered this multiple times. I wouldn't mind changing this, since the allegiances, cliffnotes, and galleries are just more information on a certain article. We would just have to move the pages, which wouldn't be that big of a deal, since it just takes a couple of clicks.

I was wondering this a while ago, also. I think it would be a great idea to have them as subpages, like Cloudy and Paleh said, it would only take a few clicks. 02:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I like this. It never really occurred to me that they weren't subpages already. I'm all for this. 21:23, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I always did wonder this, really. I'm up for this idea definately. owo

Okay, so it appears we've come to an agreement, since there hasn't been any comments against this idea, and no comments for about a week. So, how are we going to go about moving the cliffnotes, allegiances, and galleries to subpages? Only admins can move pages, and I don't want to leave a slew of pages for them to have to delete if we simply create the new subpages, paste everything from the originals to the new pages, and mark the old page for deletion. I also don't want to pile the entire process on the shoulders of our admins to move the pages, either. Unless they're willing BD  Any suggestions..?... 03:39, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Anybody can move pages. But just admins can suppress redirects. And at least for a little while till we get everything changed, we'll still want redirects. So we can do it fine without needing to pile a ton of work on an admin. And the redirects can stay for a while and when we know for sure everything's been changed up, we can just mark them for deletion, or even leave them in case some returning members get confused when trying to search for the page. 04:31, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I see no issues with this, and since no one's really said anything against it, I say go ahead and move 'em. The only thing that'll need to be changed is on the templates used on the pages, and the templates, but, that isn't going to take very long.

The way in which we're going to move all the pages however depends on whether we want to use the redirects or not. I think that we shouldn't have redirects because they won't be needed for long periods of time, and people make extremely minor edits to change links from being redirects anyways. They also won't be necessary in searches either because it's still the same set of words, just with a bunch of words added on in the beginning of the title. And to add on a personal reason, I don't have the time to delete redirects, nor do I want redirects cluttering up the wiki. o3o 23:25, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, 'teldy. The redirects /are/ a waste of space, imho, and we have them enough with character articles. ._. I think they should just be moved to the proper page names, suppressing the redirect. But, keep in mind, if we suppress the redirect, that's something /only/ an admin can do. They're pretty much the same thing, although they're just being moved to a subpage.

I really don't wnat to leave redirects...yes, people might not be able to find the page right away, but they'll grow used to it over time. I still say we suppress the redirect. However, I don't want to over-burden our admins with this task. 23:29, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 00:01, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I believe so. 01:21, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Previous/Next
Okay, so on the chapter subpages should there be links up at the top of the page, probably under the page numbers, linking to the next and previous chapter in the book? A bit like how there's the preceeded by/followed by bit on the main book pages. I know you could just scroll down to the bottom to find the link, but some of these chapters end up having quite a bit of content in them. 00:23, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind that suggestion, actually. and for lazy people like me who can't be bothered to scroll from here to the moon and back... Anyone else? 05:09, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea, too. And I admit, I'm a lazy bum and would use this. 12:11 Thursday November 29 2012

I'm in support of this. ouo 19:44, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... I like this idea. Could we make a template for it, or, just manually enter the chapters. Personally, I think a template would be easier, unless that's not possible. I'm not exactly sure. Regardless, I /do/ like the idea and think we should use it. Like Leggo, I'm lazy as all hell.

I love this, perhaps a template saying what chapter you're on and whar chapter is before and after. x3 21:36, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, with that ^ why not just make one of those infoboxes so that you just plug in the information, but with the name of the book, then the chapter out of how many, then the pages, then the POV, and then finally the previous and next chapters? Basically, what we already put just in a tidy box. I think that would look nice, although I have nothing against what's already there.

If we don't want to do that I think just putting something like a left-aligned previous chapter, bolded current chapter, and a right-aligned next chapter at the very top of the page or right before the summary. 19:00, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Cliffnotes
So, I was browsing the wiki and noticed we still have the cliffnotes pages, although no one seems to be using them since the addition of the chapter subpages. So, what should we do about them? I mean, my original intentions of starting the subpage project was to eliminate the cliffnotes altogether. So, what about the rest of you? Honestly, I find them obsolete, since one, they were a pain to work on, and two, with the subpages, we can go into detail. And multiple other reasons, including the fact I, along with Leggo and a few others, I bet, just don't like them in general. xD So, what should we do about them? Should we just wipe them from the wiki altogether...? Or would you guys like to keep using them?

Personally, I want to see them get wiped. But, that's just me. I hated them from the start. x3

I honestly think that they should be removed. We have the subpages for a reason and it would be pointless to have both of them up at the same time. 18:29, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should keep them, quite often when I'm looking for which chapter a certain event is in, I go Ctrl+F the cliffnotes pages, they're easier to go through than the chapter subpages, and when looking for an event who wants to go through twenty or so subpages? Again I think we should keep them. owo 22:14, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with Duck. While indeed the subpages are much more specific like intended, a brief overview doesn't hurt to have. I'm inclined to think that we ought to do the idea that Shelly suggested a while back. The cliffnotes, as they are, allow for someone to read the major events chapter by chapter, and then if they would like even more information, they could just click the heading of the chapter which would bring them to the chapter subpages. 23:44, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I like 'Teldy's idea, and agree. I think we should use Shelly's idea, to make cliffnotes and chapter subpages exist.  02:30 Wednesday December 5 2012

Actually, Shelly's suggestion form earlier isn't half bad. I say we leave the cliffnotes for the major events, and the sub-pages for more detailed accounts of the chapters. 03:02, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well, if that's what everyone else wants, who am I to contradict that? If everyone's agreeing on that, then it looks like we'll keep them, and still have them as a requirement for a silver nomination. I do like Shelly's idea, and the only reason I archived that was because I was under the assumption that the cliffnotes pages were going to be deleted/not used anymore, as those were my original intentions when creating the subpages.

Linking wouldn't be half bad, either. Again, if that's what everyone wants, we'll go with it. That's not my own, personal, way of doing it, but that's just my opinion. ( which I'm not often right, but yolo  )

( yellow octopi like October?  ) Ooh, linking. Yeah, we should probably link the chapter headings to the more detailed, extensive versions of each chapter within the cliffnotes page. 05:16, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Long Shadows/Chapter 3 ~ CBV
Aaaand here's chapter 3. Comments?

Nice work. Comments before vote? 03:47, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nomination Limit
Title says it all, guys. I was talking with Leggo, and realized that we don't actually have a set number for this, like PC, PW, and PR do with their nominations. I mean, I don't even think we have a set limit. So, taking into consideration the quote nominations, the subpage nominations, and the article nominations, what should the official limit be?

Leggo and I were thinking between five and seven, since the project is small and honestly, we only have a few active members. Of course, you should really only take on as many nominations as you can handle, and the number above would be a maximum only. Not the number you should have up at a time. I know it seems like a lot, but if you take into account the fact that the subpages don't really take as much time as a character article (  unless you're 'teldy, Duck, or I, and write at a million miles a minute. ilu guys. xD   you should able able to handle more than one at a time.

So, yeah. We were thinking that we should really set an actual limit, that way people are aware how many total nominations they're allowed to have at a given time. This would take into account the quote, subpage, and article nominations, just to remind you. This would also have a vote (I think), and go into the guidelines. Soooo, comments everyone?

And I agree with Cloudy and Leggy on this one. When I joined, I was literally surfing the guidelines like, "Doesn't this project have some sort of nomination limit?" like the other projects did. And I like the number that Cloudy and Leggy came up with. Since I myself was looking for a limit, and the other projects do it, why not?  21:52 Thursday December 6 2012

(Skye you started a sentence at the end of your second paragraph, got into tiny font, and never finished it ouo) But, yes, we already discussed this, and I agree- five-seven nominations per person at a time, at the maximum. And it should go into the guidelines after an approved vote. 05:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shut up, I'll finish it. x.x I'm tired. Yeah, anyways. You got my point, though.

-brofists- ilu2 xD I'd agree to five to seven. In fact, I'd strongly recommend doing five, because it's true that, on average, subpages, quotes, and article nominations take a shorter amount of time, but I'm positive people will max out and not be able to complete all their nominations which makes it a pain in the rump to the leads and sometimes to other users. Seven is fine, but the I'd think it'd be best to have a warning of something like:
 * Users are allowed to have only seven nominations up (nominations including quotes, articles, and chapter subpages) but it is highly recommended you should only have five unless you can handle it. Should a nomination go inactive from a user that has more than five nominations up, that nomination, after a week, shall be declined and archived.

Or something along those lines. Of course, there's also the option where you can limit certain nominations which is also a great possibility. For example:
 * Users are only allowed to have one article nomination (which includes cliffnotes, allegiances, and the book article (or whatever you want to call it) ), three chapter subpage nominations, and three quote nominations.

The numbers are adjustable and it's whatever the project wants, but those are what I think would be best for entering into the guidelines a set number of nominations. 06:07, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

I was actually going to suggest that 'Teldy, having the nomination limit separated for the seperate nominations sounds wonderful, I agree with one article, three chapter subpage and three quote. owo 03:52, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Navigation template for the Warriors Adventure Game
Yeah, so I think that we should have a navigation template for  the Warriors Adventure Game I was working on Training Day the other day, and it took me a while to go and fine the next game. I think it should just look like the Chapter pages' template. So, comments? 21:44, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Duck. We've pretty much given a navigation template to everything except the Warriors Adventure Game stuff. And if Duck has a problem without the navigation template, most likely others would. This would be really useful.  21:48 Thursday December 6 2012

Wonderful idea, Duck, and well-spotted. I completely forgot that we didn't have one of those. I'd be up for making one. Or, we could edit the already existing navigation template. But, since there's already a lot on there... I wouldn't mind just making a new one entirely but just use the same layout as the others.

These Adventure Games have always confused me..I can never figure out how to play in the first place, let alone begin to navigate. xD But, yes, we could use a navigation template for those pages. A new template wouldn't be horrible, if someone's up to coding it, as long as they keep relatively the same layout. 05:12, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

I can do it. o3o It'll take me a couple minutes, and I can start a layout once I've gotten some sleep. xD

Well, that didn't take that long... so what about this, guys? Simple, sweet, and follows the rest of the navi-templates we already use.

Looks good to me~ 03:46, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Looks wonderful to me, also. =) 03:48, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

And just throwing this out there; if we have to add more, which we more than likely will, with Dawn of the Clans coming out soon, the template will be the same as the Cliffnotes, Main Articles, ect. Simple and easy to edit and add more to.

A Dangerous Path/Prologue ~ CBV
It took me like, ten minutes to finish this. He he.  01:21 Friday December 7 2012

Nice work, comments before vote? 03:54, December 11, 2012 (UTC)