Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

One Month Limit
It has been mentioned recently that images should have a limit to how long they can be up for approval. I agree completely. It should not take more than a week or two to get an image approved. There used to be a rule that an image could only be up for a month before it was declined. It seems that it was forgotten about. Personally I'd love to have it back. If no one has a problem with this, I'll remove the old images (that have been up for over two months, considering we just had TW) in a week. That should be enough time to get them approved. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 07:00, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this 100% (....considering how long it took for Oakheart to get approved....) and I say this is something that needs to be put back into place. It would also give us the chance to get some newer ones up as well. 08:29, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

But what happens if someone's on vacation? Or if their computers not working... şŋσщđąẕẕℓε ѕeverυs ѕɴαpe.  12:23, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to sound overly critical but... Our job is to get images done. If someone can't get on to work on something, then isn't it better to have someone who can work take over? I've lost images to being on vacation, and don't get me started on the computer problems I had, but I cut my losses and found a new one to do. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 13:15, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. We should just get them done. Shadewing  Mischief Managed... 13:53, August 23, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I agree with this. Some of the chararts have been up for a long time. Scarlet wind Fairy  Tail Mage 14:57, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, only if they don't seem anywhere near being done by the time that time limit hits; if the artist is close, give them a little slack. 15:46, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

If they don't seem anywhere near being done, they can always ask for help. 16:05, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Being frank on the subject of "What if you go on vacation and can't get on to work on the image": If you have an upcoming vacation perhaps you should have abstained from working on something? Others shouldn't be punished by your being unable to finish it before you leave. I honestly think that an image should be done in 2 weeks, and if it isn't, you shouldn't have put it up at the point you were at. Granted ;) I'm a professionally trained graphic designer at this point. My standards might be a bit different than your typical hobbyist. 16:16, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Just a tad higher than are standards ;). Im so happy somebody agrees on this with me. I figured you would all think it was mean. Anyways, im on board, but how about if it gone through one CBA, but it gets interupted, they get another week? 16:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think a one month limit is a good idea, and if CBA is interrupted, I think they should get another week as Iceheart said. We have the vacation week for a reason, for those who are asking about "What if you're gone?" If they seem like they'll be approved and it's been a month, let it stay up. ☾Mint☽ Can you go downtown with me? 19:19, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree and don't. Okay, it is good that images will get done faster, but no one left any comments on Marshstar for 2 days and I thought it should have been approved, but it wasn't, so that wasted 2 days. Another thing is maybe we should have it so we can still have it on hold and edit the charart, after the month is up. Wild fire Hazelx Thorn!  22:51, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay so how about this;

We Approve a image if it has gone more than atleast two days w/o a comment? Because really? It wastes time, and if we do that more warriors could be free, and work on images for TW? Cause really y'all, most of these images look GREAT *Sol's Kp and Warrior image xD* and go a while w/o comments, why not approve them? Saves time and that way we don't have upset Apprentices. Or some really immature warriors ;P Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 23:37, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I always thought it was 24 hours without a comment...? Regardless, images gone without comments should be approved, instead of just letting them sit there. Plus, until a lead sees it, you'd have to do some "improvement" to the image that would haven't been done had a lead archived it. XD 03:02, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I dont see a reason why they should be approved if they dont go through CBA. We dont need to add so many more rules are heads are spinning. But i think leads should have the power to over rule a CBA interuption if its something minor like the ear pink needs to be changed or the shading blurred after the person said 9 times it wont blur anymore. 03:29, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if an image has gone multiple days without comments, should it really need to go through another 24 hours? I'm not arguing you, Iceheart. I'm just playing the part of the reasonable arguer. The leads should have the power to overrule the interruptions. We just had that issue with Foxleap and Harley (both alts, I think). The CBA was interrupted for minuscule reasons (which Foxleap caused a minor argument between Mintstarr and I, but that's besides the point). 03:46, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

No sorry that was confusing. What i meant was, i dont think that images should be approved without CBA, but if they were to be, it should at least be three days without comment, not three days + CBA time. 05:01, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather not make it confusing and just have any image thats over a month old be declined. The way we had it before, the user could always reupload the image if they were still interested in it, we did not remove the reservation. Even if they did try it again, it saved SO much page space and let other users have a chance to do a charart. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 06:27, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Darkhallows. Although maybe a month and a week? ☾Mint☽ Can you go downtown with me? 14:28, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Shall we put the one month limit into play now with the chararts that have been up for more than a month or start fresh and those older can stay up? Scarlet wind Fairy  Tail Mage 22:19, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Naw if they read the discussion they should know. I say start declining all the ones that have been here for more than a month on monday. Darkhallows gave them a week to be pproved in her opening statment. 17:30, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

If this rule is put into place, then how much longer until my Stormfur ph gets declined? He stayed up for what seems like # infinity months with the old prey hunter blank before TW/TM, and now he's been up again for..2 weeks? About that, I think (with the new ph blank). I think he looks like he should be CBA'd soon, but I'll see what a lead thinks.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 07:53, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

The rule is already in place. Your original was declined and therefore doesn't count towards your time. You should be fine as long as you can get it approved soon. 14:40, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Mapleshade
Since she went to the Dark Forest for attacking the Clans all the time, do you think she counts as a rogue? shouldn't she get a rogue charart? 23:37, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. That would indeed classify her as a rouge. 01:05, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Would she have it as her current image? Damn  Skippy. 16:41, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Probably, as that's most likely the state in which she died as she is still attempting to do harm to the Clans. 18:39, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking
One question. Is there a reason that some warriors are on the Reserve a Tweak place? Just curious to see uf the rules have changed or not because there are only a few warriors on the Tweak place and not all. Sorry if there is some new rule I don't know about. Thanks. Moo  nstr   ike  02:58, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

No, all warriors and leads are allowed to tweak one image and have a regular image. You just have to add your own name into the chart if it isn't there. xP 20:23, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Are apperntices allowed to tweak? 00:37, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope just warriors and leads. 00:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

oh ok. 13:26, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
Hi! I have waited for over a month to be an apprentice. When will I be made an apprentice?

<font color="blue" style="background:Black">♫ Featherferal ♫ May StarClan Be With You! 21:04, August 29, 2011 (UTC)Featherferal

The kit system is gone. If you contributed to the project you'd know that. You were removed due to inactivity. Would you like to rejoin? 21:06, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request Subpage
Shouldn't we have a subpage for Join Requests? 16:36, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

No, I don't think so because now discussion has its own page and join requests only stay on for about a week or less. <font color="#8f281a">Scarlet <font color="#9c3f32">wind <font color="#4791ca">Fairy <font color="#70aede"> Tail Mage 17:00, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Is this good?
This is just an example of how bad i am at this! :p I wanted to know before i start an actuall project. This is me Brindlestar, as a queen. Brindlestar 12:52, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Please only use this space for discussion about the project. But, to clarify:


 * You need to save it as a .png with a transparent background.


 * You have no highlights.


 * The eyes are an unnatural color and shouldn't be a solid color.


 * No ear-pink.


 * No highlight on the eyes.


 * Shading is too light and not blended in.

12:59, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

My Charart
I have been an apprentice for a while and I have been hoping to put my charart up for approval. I haven't got the chance to yet. I do have things like sports, school and homework happening, so I'm not always active every day. I want to put my charart up for approval, but wihtout going over the limit, I haven't got the chance. I'm trying to be pacient, but its been a while since I joined. If this is going against the rules or is un-aceptable, feel free to archive this. <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  09:24, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Please be patient. I, as well, have a picture that I need putting up. If your reservation goes over the limit but the page has always been full, then it's ok. You will still get to put up your cat. 14:27, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I have a question
How do I add my self that I made a charart, Do i add it make the date and put it up for approvle? Thunderjay 14:23, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Please say?Thunderjay 02:15, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Tigerheart
Yeah, I as wondering why was my tigerheart for approval taken down? I had been working on it and somebody took it down! What happened? 14:27, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

We have a new rule now about pictures taking too long to get approved, and we have a one month limit now. Yours was taken down because it was up for more than a month. But you keep your reservation and you can put it back up. 14:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Help???
I was a kit and now im not on anymore.What happened? 14:30, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

We did away with the kit system, and you were probably removed due to inactivity. 14:34, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar
Would it be possible to put Crookedstar on th elist of cats needing tweaking? I think his jaw should be changed to match the description in Crookedstar's Promise and an alternate kit image be created with a broken jaw as well. 16:54, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, since the description was pretty exaggerated, in my opinion. Though let's see what others think. 19:55, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose, but the reactions of the other cats seemed to indicate that it was at least more drastic than we have it. I know it isn't vital, it's just an idea. ^^ 20:34, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should. It also said in quite a few places like Bluestar's Prophecy that it looked like it was upsidedown, not just scooted to the side a bit. I vote that we tweak them. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:31, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

I think it should, in the manga it's farther out than on the current one. Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  22:54, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Like this? I think the jaw needs to be more twisted.

Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  23:18, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but with some black to show his mouth is constantly open. 00:17, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

And that would need to be applied to all his images except the kit, and an alternet kit image would need to be made since he's now been seen healthy and with an unbroken jaw. 00:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Cream cats
Since all cream cats have stripes like ginger cats, should their images be tweaked to have stripes too? --Frosted Apple 00:21, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Who told you that? I dont think ALL creams have stripes o_o --Guradian1098 00:59, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Cream is a dilute ginger (basic cat colors are solid, I don't think that's the correct term, and dilute. Basically, the fur is naturally "bleached") It would make sense, but I'd need to do some research on cream cats (my research is looking at images on Google xp) 01:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to get really technical, we'd have to redo every image on this site because, little known fact, all cats have the tabby 'M' on their head, at least faintly. I don't think we can be too specific here, cat anatomy and pelt types are many and varied, and a lot of things are possible. Like this, which is a white and black tabby, once thought to be genetically impossible. 01:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. Nope, because look at this cat. Most of the cats I saw were tabby, but there were a couple that weren't. 01:13, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

No, look closer. It's tabby, it's just extremely faint. He/She's right, most cream cats are tabby. It would just be impractical to re-do every cream image to match the laws of genetics, because if we keep going like this after the ginger cat thing, then we'd have to go all the way and redo every image to be genetically correct, starting with the tabby M. 01:17, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yeah, I know. Well, my cat is a tuxedo cat, but on his arms in the sunlight, I can see tabby stripes on his arms. Even if they can't be seen, cats have "ghost" markings. I think we should stop at the ginger cats, unless we must be absolutelly realistic, which we know the Erins aren't. 01:19, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Erins admitted to knowing nothing about cat genetics. How else would Redtail have had a daughter? 01:23, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

We've gone a long time without cream cats needing stripes. Can we just leave it at that? Not every form of ginger needs to have stripes, guys. I've seen some cream cats without stripes as well. I have a book of cat breeds, and they have the cream coat color in there. As long as I've had the book, I haven't seen stripes on the pelt. So, I just think we should leave it at cream without any markings what so ever. 20:11, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Splashpelt, yes most cat breeds have faint tabby markings but the more orinetal ones don't Like the Siamese. I'ts rare that tortie toms have kits not impossible. And off topic question but where does it say all ginger cats have stripes? Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  21:03, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

That's my point here. We can't be genetically correct with every image. Heck, we never have been (cats don't have eyelashes like that...). I don't see the point in doing all of the gingers over, though I must admit it, made Billystorm look awesome. 22:48, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mist
Okay, on his pge it says he was just a kit, since he wasn't actually seen as a loner, but in the characters needing art page, it says he needs art for a loner. I have this reserved, so is it okay to post it when there is space? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="5C3B7A" >Sky, forever <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> flying 12:00, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

He was never seen as a full grown loner. He doesn't need that charart. 13:00, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the only kit that needs a loner pixil is Soot since she was about apprentice age when Crookedstar saw her. I removed them from the page, somebody must have added them. 15:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought it didn't seem right. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="cyan" >Sky, forever <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> flying 20:18, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

The thing is, he was mentioned by Soot. We do the same thing for other cats not seen. Barley and Violet both have kit images, although they were never seen as kits. Blackstar has both a kit image and apprentice image up for approval. Nightcloud has a queen image, and Mapleshade does as well. If we're going to state that, then all the images I just mentioned need to be gotten rid of. 20:54, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking at the article, it also says all of them were alive. It's not like Magpie, Mist and Piper died or something. they were still alive when Crookedjaw ran into Soot, and they were indeed mentioned. There should be no reason they shouldn't get a loner charart. 20:57, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I want them to be approved. Well, we'll just have to see what a lead thinks. 20:56, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I think they should get one. I mean, they were said to be alive, and I doubt they stayed kit age. If a cat was mentioned as something they should get a charart because then it proves that they were once that rank. 13:41, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hoping to Become Apprentice
Hi! I'm Hawkheart, and I was looking to become an apprentice of Project Charart. Using some of the tutorials found here, I made a lot of charart of my cat Hawkheart/Hawkstar. The only example I can show you is Hawkstar's picture on my user page, but I can make more at request.

I apologize, as I'm not quite sure how to propose to join a Project. I also apologize if this is not the right place to do it, because I'm just a little bit confused. I'm sort of 'new' because I haven't made a lot of edits. :p I'm also a bit unsure of how this (the whole thing) works, and I've tried looking for the answers but only found a couple.

I hope you can consider me as a new Apprentice, and I accept any answer you will give me. I hope you all have a nice day! 14:27, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in now. Please look at out basic guidelines and our apprentice tutorials will teach you how to shade and add highlights. Welcome to the project. <font color="#8f281a">Scarlet <font color="#9c3f32">wind <font color="#4791ca">Fairy <font color="#70aede"> Tail Mage |undefined 02:21, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Joining?
Can I join as an apprentice

☺Brackenfur66☺ 18:46, September 1, 2011 (UTC)Brackenfur66☺Brackenfur66☺ 18:46, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in now. Please look at our basic guidelines and our apprentice tutorials will teach you how to shade and add highlights. <font color="#8f281a">Scarlet <font color="#9c3f32">wind <font color="#4791ca">Fairy <font color="#70aede"> Tail Mage |undefined 02:23, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Pebblefoot
I was just looking around and I realized Pebblefoot needs a new charart. The shading is terrible, and it just needs to be redone. Just wanted someone to be aware :)

Petal <font color="Yellow">step' 17:01, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Most of what you're seeing there are mottles, not shading. 17:39, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Tabby markings issue
I know, here we go with tabbies again and changing something! Well, I'm not suggesting that we change existing ones, but for future reference: I don't think we should do triangle striped tabbies any more. Now, I Know they are easier for new members to do, but they are entirely, totally unrealistic. Cat stripes are assymetrical, and I've never seen a cat with these kind of stripes. Besides, a lot of people find the other tabby types very pleasing to the eye. The ones with triangles already, I think we should leave alone (at least for now) because we have a ton of images to tweak/redo, but what do you think about no new triangle tabby images? 18:43, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what in StarClan's name you are talking about. I've seen plenty of cats with triangle stripes. -- 19:07, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

No, she's right. I've never seen or heard of any cat with triangular, symmetical stripes. If you'll look up the definition of a tabby cat on, say, wikipedia, you'll see a list of types of tabby cat stripes. The closest they come are mackerel tabbies, whose stripes are still much thinner and less symmetrical than the stripes seen on Bumblestripe's image. Y-shaped stripes are much more common. Even swirling patterns of stripes are more often seen. I think all images with those big stripes should be tweaked. 20:41, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

And in any case, Bumblestripe's description says he has stripes like a bumblebee's. I don't think whoever did it had ever seen a real bumblebee, because their stripes wrap around their entire bodies, and are not triangular. 20:47, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

They may have triangle stripes on their legs, but they are great elongated and assymetrical. That's the only place a cat has triangles on its body. 20:59, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I say triangles are okay if they are blurred like for example Paleclaw's then they would be fine. Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  22:15, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well, look at Willowbreeze. She has triangular stripes, and she looks perfectly real and fine. I don't see any reason why we should limit the use of triangular striped tabbies. Many cats have triangle stripes, and if we redid all the ones with those stripes, we'd be doing tons of tabbies. True, I'm kind of biased since I've made 2 triangular tabbies, but I also think some of the triangular striped tabbies do look good. 22:26, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wildfire, I was talking about triangle stripes like those on Bumblestripe, not Paleclaw's cat. 23:04, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know what you're talking about I mean the way she smudges the stripe's. Wild  fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  02:28, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with triangular tabbies. I say we keep them. And as Mistystar say, we would have to fix a LOT of tabbies then. 02:34, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but I think the original suggestion wasn't to go back and fix all of them, but to no longer allow them in the approval process... and I still say Bumblestripe needs fixing. It looks a bit rediculous, honestly. No offense to the creator. 02:42, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

But what if some users can't make other tabbies and prefer triangular tabbies? I think that wouldn't be fair to those users. 02:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Shelly, don't feel bad. I agree with you on the Bumblestripe charart thing. It looks...odd. Also, not all triangle tabbies are bad. I've seen quite a few good ones. We shouldn't tell someone that they're not allowed to do something. I mean, after all, it's not like Warriors isn't unique. There are things that happen in that series that don't in real life, aside from events. It should be up to the artist, and the style shouldn't be condemned just because it doesn't "look natural". My dad's cat, Skittles, has triangle tabby markings. In fact, he's a silver-gray tabby. =P 02:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

You're worried too much about realism, aren't you? Let the triangular tabbies be. The series isn't too realistic anyways. 05:31, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. XD 05:34, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I know, right? :3 We don't have enough active users or leads to redo all of the triangular-striped tabbies, and they look just fine. 05:37, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think it's really neccessary to redo them all. And like Cloudskye said, it's up to the artist whether they want triangle stripes on the image or not. I don't think it's that big of a deal to have triangular stripes, and yeah, Warriors isn't too realistic at all. x3 13:37, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Some of them are done nicely, but they usually aren't only triangles. The ones I mean are 14:37, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I still say if we smudge the fur it will look fine. Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  14:41, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, if warriors isn't realitisc why, are we tweaking all the Ginger cats to have stripes? Because THAT is real....so....;) Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 15:06, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly! I never saw the point in tweaking all the ginger cats to have stripes. If we really wanted to get technical, we'd have to tweak every single charart on this website for multiple reasons. All I really want at the moment is for Bumblestripe to have "stripes like a bumblebee" which wrap around the body, and for Crookedstar's jaw to match his description more closely. 15:20, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I wouldn't mind the tweaking of Crookedstar, myself. As for the ginger cat issue, since we've tweaked them, some of 'em look much better. @ Wildfire: Some users may not be able to smudge the fur to make it look real like others can. 18:41, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I use pixlr and can make them like that and I know others who use gimp. But anyway I think the stripes should be optional and we should use any type of tabby as long as it doesn't look too fake. Wild fire <sup style="color:gray">Hazelx <sup style="color:brown">Thorn!  22:32, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Ivystripe, they aren't realistic. I have always thought that. If other users think we should leave them be, I guess I wouldn't mind. 00:17, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

I vote that if a user puts up a charart with stripes like that, just tell them to make it a bit thinner and more of them. It looks more realistic, it's easy, and it's still the same style. I don't think we should let ones like Bumblestripe's and Speckletail's get approved anymore unless they thin the stripes a bit. That's just my opinion though. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:57, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with that. You don't want to make them too thin, however. Nor do you want to make them too thick. You can't tell someone they can't do something. I always thought this project was supposed to harvest creativity, not to be God-mods or something. (God-modding = bossy, restrictive) All in all, it's up to the artist, and if you don't like how someone has done a charart, don't comment. Simple as that. 01:03, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Brightheart
Her page says she's fluffy - short haired cats are usually sleek. Does that mean we'd have to re-do her as a long-hair for Tweak Week? 19:13, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Short-furred cats can be fluffy. But I agree, whenever she's been depicted graphically (in "manga" and in COTC) she's been portrayed as a long-furred cat. That, plus that's how I've always personally imagined her. 20:43, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Also, she has been described as thick-furred in The Sight. Yes, she is longhaired. I just keep forgetting to add her to the list. I'll do it now. ;D 22:19, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Inactive
Hey all ^^ Frostheart told me to announce that she'll be inactive for about two weeks or so due to schoolwork and such. So... yeah. 16:06, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Bye Frostheart! 00:17, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

joining
Can I join? I'm sorry I didn't do anything last time, I only just figured out how to make Chararts. I'd like to do Echomist's Warrior Charart. Hollyleaf Of Thunderclan  16:23, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Echomist's warrior charart is already up for approval. Leaf-storm,16:51,September 3,2011 (UTC)

Ok, But can I join? Hollyleaf Of Thunderclan  16:54, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Of course, wait for a lead to add you. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 18:09, September 3, 2011 (UTC)