Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Character Overviews
Looking around on a few wikis, I've noticed that all of them have a brief description of the characters prior to going in depth in their history, for example:

Firestar was the leader of ThunderClan prior to his death. As an apprentice, he joined ThunderClan, abandoning his kittypet life and becoming Firepaw. During his training, he developed two friends - Graypaw and Ravenpaw. He figured out the reason behind Redtail's death thanks to Ravenpaw, and hid him in a barn. Firepaw then became Fireheart, and Graypaw Graystripe. Fireheart spent much of his warrior life setting out to prove Tigerclaw's treachery, and when Tigerclaw is caught in the act trying to kill Bluestar, Fireheart saves Bluestar's life. Fireheart then becomes the deputy of ThunderClan, saving it from several more plots of revenge by Tigerclaw, who becomes Tigerstar. Firestar won the battle against BloodClan when Tigerstar used them to try to take over the forest, killing Scourge. Following the events of the first series, he finds a lost Clan and rebuilds them to become SkyClan along with his mate, Sandstorm. Following the events of the first series, he leads his Clan through the mountains to their new home and helps them settle in. In the books after, he continues to remain ThunderClan's leader until his death in the The Last Hope, killing Tigerstar once and for all.

It's honestly just a brief brief description, or a summary of their lives in which I think would be very benefical to character articles, however, main characters, not minor characters. That's a rough guideline of some sort, but like I think a character such as Greeneyes wouldn't need it. Then again, this is just a very rough idea and it's something I doubt would go through anyways, I just wanted to suggest it. Comments on this? Try not to kill me by the way. 01:30, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

I actually agree Icy, I think it's a pretty good idea. When I saw it on other wikis before I used to think that it wasn't a very good idea, but now that I think about it, it would be a really practical way for someone just to read about a character and know what they did throughout the series without having to spend like an hour to read the whole history section. Because some of the major characters, like Firestar and Gray Wing and such, have really long histories and it would be a relief to also have a summary paragraph and just see all of what happened to them instead of having to skim the whole thing. So basically I like the idea. 02:37 Tue Mar 15

Eh, I'm not sure if I like this idea or not... mainly because I feel a lot of the main characters already have fairly large articles as it is... but I suppose I'll take a bit more time and think about it before fully having an opinion.

I think that perhaps it'd be nice, but I think we should get the main articles of characters first. It's a idea, but don't think it should be too high of a priority because of the amount of articles on the concerns list.

My basic point is that I think a brief short of the character would be beneficial in the long run. I know that when I look at a character I don't really have time to read the entire article so seeing the short description does help me. And this isn't a matter of laziness, I just think it's convenient. 03:32, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I'm 50-50 on this. It'll be useful for pretty major characters with long histories but then again, most people have read the books and typically don't need it.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:18, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but some people haven't read every single book which is kinda my point here. 22:10, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I'm still not sure if I like the idea, but that's because I haven't had the chance to think about it... but will everything be cited, or is it just going to be written as a normal history section would be? Personally, given how it's supposed to be brief and have important facts, I think it should probably be cited in one form or another...

Imo, it should be cited, considering that it is facts about the character. 22:43 Thu Mar 31

I'd be more for the idea if it was all cited... It would be helpful for the major characters.

Fernpaw (TAQ), Ferntail, and Featherpelt
Bit of a conundrum here, guys. We have three different cats, but only two of them actually appear.

Ferntail is apparently supposed to be the kit of Sedgewhisker and Emberfoot, and Crowfeather's apprentice, as seen on Kate's blog. She isn't shown in the allegiance list for The Apprentice's Quest, both the iBooks preview and the official release.

Featherpelt appears, though, and she has the same description as Ferntail, but she is, without a doubt, the Featherpaw from Bramblestar's Storm, and one of Crowfeather's apprentices. There isn't anything doubting the canonocity of this character whatsoever... but it is interesting that she shares the same exact description and mentor as "Ferntail".

There's also a Fernpaw, and this she-cat has a totally different description. She's a dark brown she-cat, an allegiance-only character, and doesn't show up in the list we got from Kate.

What exactly should we do about this? We can't really add anything for Ferntail, since she doesn't exist as of the book release. Should we just delete Ferntail's page? Given that Ferntail is also listed as a kit of Sedgewhisker and does have littermates... this doesn't quite make sense.

We can't just have an empty article, though.

Add Ferntail to the minor chacter page? Inconsistencies. Great editors, Warriors. Just great. I'm actually getting seriously tired of all of these inconsistencies 03:31, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

But Ferntail doesn't exist anymore, so she's technically not a character. I don't think we can put her on the minor characters page.

Trivia? 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think it should definitely be trivia, because for example Jayclaw was originally named Jaywing(it's in his trivia), but it had been changed since Kate's blog on the allegiances.

Ferntail was in an early version of the allegiances, of course there will be some changes. I'd say delete because they do not appear in the final version.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:18, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

No, I still think they should be in the trivia. They were mentioned, after all. 22:29, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Unoffical leaders (SPOILERS)
Sorry I should've brought it up with PC prior to doing anything. Okay so unofficial leaders, I know that this has been discussed before but in Darktail's case, he was heavily referred to a leader so many times Alderpaw was just like "why isn't he called Darkstar you dumdums". He refers to himself as a leader several times, and they drove SkyClan out and he is the leader of the rogues technically, and they all listen to him and stuff like that. Does that make him a leader, or should we put it as unofficialy? Same thing goes for Jingo, by the way. 14:21, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

A leader is a leader, regardless. At the same time, it would also be appropriate to clearly define what the leader rank is. Is it only a Clan rank, and if it is, then why are these cats clearly labeled as leaders of their own group? If so, then what's to say for cats like Furled Bracken and Stone Song, who were very much leaders of the Ancient group of cats we saw in Long Shadows and Sign of the Moon, and why aren't they entitled to a leader charart?

Is our blank only a Clan leader charart? If so, then why are all Clan leaders marked with "Leader" instead of "Clan Leader", when the leader rank itself is shown to be used elsewhere? Slash's group, Darktail's group (they'd also get a page, I think?????), Jingo's group, the Ancient cats, BloodClan, ect. There are multiple groups within the series that have a clear leader of their group, but they don't get anything special.

Right now I think we should think of status, not charart. What I'm thinking is that we have a leader, but maybe in the trivia it says they're not a Clan leader? Or maybe Leader (Unofficially), and officially can be a Clan? Idk I'm tired 14:30, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They're tied together, and you can't talk about one without bringing up the other, Icy. =P And technically, cats like Slash, Darktail, Furled Bracken, and Stone Song aren't unofficial. They are called leaders, and multiple times at that. They're just not Clan leaders, which makes me think we need to redefine what a leader is and who does and doesn't count.

a leader is a leader, regardless of the group, they have the same job even if they don't have the same methods, the only real difference is the nine lives the clan leaders get, so they really should get some kind of rank acknowledgement. all in all it's just up to the wiki itself if we want to use the images for non clan cats or not. 14:35, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but maybe we could have a blank for non-clan leaders? But this is PC, and I think we can call them leaders (non-clan) or something like that. We need to acknowledge that they are leaders, but not Clan leaders. 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They are most definitely leaders, but perhaps we could create a Non-Clan Leader rank/category for them? I do agree that each group probably should have it's own page, as said above.

There are so many examples of non-Clan leaders that I'm surprised this rank hasn't been brought in before.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:33, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Flame ~ Silver Nomination
Credit to the person who wrote the history. Comments?

Comments before vote? 05:49, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Major Characters
Woo another discussion again. Okay so I've been musing over this for a while, and what is our definition of a major character? For example, I believe that Cloud Spots, Dappled Pelt, Pebble Heart, and Acorn Fur could be included in the major character list for Moth Flight's Vision, as they appear a number of times and help Moth Flight out a lot. However, I do disagree with several cats on the major character list, such as Tigerstar and Firestar for Omen of the Stars. Do we even have a definition? If so, what is it? And if we don't, can we come up with one and apply it to the articles? Or does anyone even want to change the major character list as we have it now? 22:38, March 31, 2016 (UTC)