Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

Stranger
Would "the stranger", who appeared in pages 163-164 in The Sun Trail get a page? He has a description, gender, and rank named, and did affect the plot in a way (he was the one who informed of the traveling cats that there were rogues living on the other side of the Highstones, and even told them that was what the kittypets called them), but no name. I'd like to see what others think about this. Bb un   legs  21:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think he should have a page and charart, if soemone can think of a sutible page name for him... but it's up to everyone else, I think.☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I agree with Sorrel, he should get a page, a charart, the whole deal, and the project can brainstorm suitable page names for him. Truthfully I haven't gotten around to reading The Sun Trail but with what Beebs says I think I can trust my opinion...  23:18 Tuesday May 7 2013

I support the idea of him getting a page, considering all of the factors listed above. --  S      t      a      r      r      y 17:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Were there any other names that were given to him? 20:43, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. He's only referred to as the stranger (or the brown-and-gray tabby) Bb  un   legs  20:48, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Minor Characters
As in a previous discussion here, we had conflicting opinions about extremely minor characters like Dappletail's Kit (which is still on consideration for the chopping block). However, it seemed like a popular idea to merge these characters into one page. So there's two options to go with, either define the terms on what qualifies a minor character to receive a page, or figure out the format of the one minor characters page option. Please explain which option is more beneficial and why. 14:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a page for minor characters, mainly just to group them all together and be done with it, so we don't have all these tiny articles, and I believe we could redirect the searches to that page. But I am unsure as to how we would go about making it. Probably something like Wikipedia does for it's characters in books? I don't think we need any infoboxes, just a summary of the characters, which could be arranged by series and book. 17:20, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like a minor character page, because imho, characters like Dappletail's Kit, who have no effect on the plot and are just mentioned don't need a full page to themselves, it'd fit perfectly into a minor characters page. 17:21, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think only the minor characters who effected the plot in some way (such as Petal's mum) should get their own page. What good is it to have pages for characters who didn't even effect the plot in some way? I'd say we should define the terms on what qualifies on a minor character to get their own page, so that those who don't effect the plot get merged into a single page, while others who have recieve their own. Bb un   legs  18:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd think characters like Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father (and possibly even Shellheart's Grandfather) would still retain their own page, as they are, at least Sol's Father's case, part of the plot of at least one book. But characters like Dappletail's kit really don't need any form of a page whatsoever, as they are not vital to the plot whatsoever. Would this also apply to cats like Leaftail, who is an allegiances only character and only mentioned outside of it once?

I believe that cats like Leaftail should also get merged too. Despite appearing in the allegiances, they have contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and were probably only mentioned a few times in the series. Bb un   legs  19:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except allegiance-only characters demonstrate the population of a Clan/cat group as well as have a specific name. Plus, this page would turn out to be huge if we included all allegiance-only characters. I think confinements around what should be have a page and should not have a page is a specific name or if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way. 02:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Leaftail was mentioned outside of the allegiances, so I think that that's another reason to give him his own page. 02:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've been supporting the minor character page for a while. I do think characters who have clearly stated names should keep their articles, like the allegiance only ones, and I think we should make some sort of guidelines on what requires a page outside of that, and then leave the rest grouped together on the minor character page. It'd be great to have, especially with cats like say, those "unknown kits" who I always see in the family sections with no specifications of who they are or anything. We can simply link to their section on the minor character page if we make it, and all the info given about them will be there to see, and then there'll be no confusion over who they are, who their parents/siblings are, and so on. Those guys have always bugged me.

How about these guidelines:
 * Characters shall receive a page if:
 * they have a deliberate, given name
 * mentioned by name/listed in the allegiances
 * if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way

Also, how are we going to format this page? 16:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Those sound like good guidelines to me, Teldy! I'll say lets go with them! Bb un   legs  16:20, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those sound like awesome guidelines, as for the format, charcats honestly wouldn't work, they'd overlap on some of the extremely minor characters and it'd honestly be a mess. Possibly a new simple template or something? Also, would the cats be alphabetized or in order by book or what? 12:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with those guidelines you put out there 'Teldy, and I also agree with Duck, maybe just a new little template or something.  00:15 Monday May 20 2013

I can't honestly think of anything that would really require a template for the page honestly. I think just a small section for each character, listing description (if available), history (with a very small amount of information), family, and maybe some other sections if you guys can think of any. The only thing in a charcat type template that I can think of that would be more organized to have in a template is the appearances, and those are usually only one book for characters minor enough to be on the page, plus they would most likely be listed in the history section depending on how it's laid out. So all in all I think there's not really much need for one.

So as a conclusion to this discussion, would Dappletail's Kit warrant a new page with the agreed guidelines or not? 20:43, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think so, as he's not named, and he doesn't really influence any of the characters. o3o Bb  un   legs  03:11, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that he wouldn't warrant a page, as per the agreed guidelines. 23:39, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

StarClan member name
I created a forum about this, and I was told to come here. My idea was that we should create a StarClan member and a StarClan kit name. It would clear up the names of some cats like Mallowfur (I don't really know how to word that). We have queen and deputy names, when it is unlikely to change names when cats become that rank, so why not a StarClan member or StarClan kit name? Some cats change their name when they go to StarClan.Want2know (talk) 17:39, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really know how it would clear up anything, nor do I really understand what you're referring to. Do you mean like actually changing the suffix of certain warrior names or referring to the extensions of names due to duplicating names (e.g. Thrushpelt (WC)) specifically on this wiki? For suffix changing if that's what you're intending, we try to be as factual as possible following the books while also keeping our audience in mind, therefore since there is no mention of changing suffixes for going to StarClan, it's not exactly canon so it would be rather in factual to add that to this form of a wikipedia. As for the extensions, I don't find it necessary considering that we have categories to organize which cats are in StarClan and which cats are in, say for example, the Dark Forest, not to mention that it's pretty quick to just click on the page link and look at the blue chart to the right of the page to figure out their post-death. 20:53, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

What I mean is that in the Infobox, where it says the warrior names etc, it should say StarClan. I believe it is possible to have an apprentice or warrior change names if they're dying. Badgerpaw is a good example of this because he changed his name when he went to StarClan, or Mallowfur because we don't know who she was before we saw her in StarClan. It's hard to explain it, so here's a picture of it that I have created(it's fake, don't worry) here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/98497571@N04/Want2know (talk) 00:39, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. Are there any other examples of names differing when they're in StarClan? 00:55, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Bluestar changed Brightpaw's name to Lostface when she was dying, even though she survived. Had she not, she still would've been Lostface. I meant the StarClan name to be more of a change in rank in the warriors hierarchy. An elder, medicine cat, or even leader would be a warrior of StarClan, although they may not have been a warrior when they died. I think it's a different rank in the hierarchy, because they are no longer technically a leader or an elder when they die.Want2know (talk) 15:16, July 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * There's no ranking system in StarClan. It's not a rank, all cats there are equal. 13:14 Sun Jul 7


 * What I mean is that all cats in StarClan are equal, but they have to be on some sort of a rank, maybe not one that decides power. Now, currently in the Infobox, the most recent rank it shows is the rank that the cat had before he/she died. That implies that they have more/less power than the rest of the cats. By creating a StarClan name, it would show that all the cats are equal in StarClan. Want2know (talk) 16:17, July 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, although to really convince me that we need this is an actual example of where their StarClan name differs from their name when they were alive. We don't know if Badgerpaw uses his warrior name in StarClan or not and "if"s really don't matter since they didn't happen concerning Brightpaw. 18:20, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * The kits from Code of the Clans who drowned had different names. They were Smallkit, Wolfkit, and Runningkit when they died, but in StarClan (or rather, from StarClan), they were Smallstar, Wolfheart, and Runningstorm. Want2know (talk) 19:41, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * But they were a special case. They would have been destined to become great. 19:42, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well then, other than that, I don't think there are any cats who have changed their names in StarClan (until we find out Badgerpaw's). There are those who would've but survived. Want2know (talk) 16:29, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, Gorseclaw (TC) was Gorsekit when he was alive. Hawktalon (talk) 16:13, July 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, for all we know, he could have made it to warrior/medicine cat-hood during his lifetime o3o 00:01, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Dappletail's Kit ~ Silver Nomination
Created his article from scratch. Improvements to be made? 07:44 Sun Apr 7

We have never come to a consensus on Dappletail's Kit's page. The conversation was resolved due to another idea of having a complete page of minor characters. Sol's Twoleg, Petal's and Fox's Mother, etc. all contribute a bit of something to the plot or explain more about a certain character. Dappletail's Kit does not. However, please focus more on the kit and it would help to combine sentences. This also may be put on hold since there's still conflicting opinion about this page. 14:43, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those cats contributed to the plot of a book but, but, this kit actually did. He's used to explain why Snowkit's blind, so despite the mere few sentences he appears in, without him, there's no real explanation as to why Snowkit's blind and no reason for a reader to go Google ( or Bing -trollface- ) it to see if it actually happens in real cats. So he does have a bit more of a purpose than just a background character. We've pages for allegiance only characters who don't appear in the main story at all, so why not a kit who's mentioned for realistic relief? 07:02 Mon Apr 8


 * Allegiance characters have actual names and are mentioned in the book, even if it's just the allegiances. It's the fact that they actually have names and demonstrate the diversity and population of a Clan. Also, Dappletail's kit doesn't necessarily explain why Snowkit's blind. Dappletail could have explained that white cats with blue eyes are often born deaf without presenting her other kit. While Dappletail's kit provides a bit of proof, she could also have used any other white kit with blue eyes that was known to be deaf. Especially since it must be commonly known since you can't prove something like that with two cases. 15:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So a name's enough to get a character a page, even if they're there for not even a sentence in the book? This kit was actually used for something. Without using the kit, the cats with would have no actual proof of the cats with white fur and blue eyes are born deaf, unless there was another cat like this. The thing is though, they used this kit and no other cat, so he does actually offer something to the storyline, even if it's only a small bit of info. 14:44 Sat Apr 13


 * Berry, by that definition every dog that's chased the cats on a journey, or a random cat that Firepaw fights in Into the Wild, or Storm's two unnamed kits, or Mapleshade's kits, etc. would get a page. They contributed to the plot about as much as Dappletail's kit did. The only difference I see is that the kit had a description and was only mentioned by himself. 15:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm pretty much the one that abandoned this nomination, but what's going on with it? o3o 14:44 Sat Jun 15

Not sure, honestly. I don't really know what's going to happen to the page - if it's going to be accepted or not. I was only told for it to be kept up here. Bb un   legs  14:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

It is here until we come to a decision about minor characters. So it's to be kept on the page. 16:26 Sat Jun 15 2013

Owlwhisker ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 13:05, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good! Could you maybe flesh out The Sight a little, if possible? 00:17, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

It's already expanded and worded to it's maximum, so it's completely fleshed out. 00:18, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? 18:39, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Nightsky ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 13:05, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? 18:39, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Snapper ~ Silver Nomination
Expanded his history, although there wasn't much. Comments? 19:08, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Ken ~ Silver Nomination
I'm seeing if I can find some comments and I'll try and sqeeze in some more info as I type. Comments? 15:36, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Check for expansion in all of the history, if I recall, he was quite a major character in that manga arc, also possibly add some quotes from Sasha's thoughts about him. Nice work so far! =D 05:39, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Expanded history, and I'll try find some quotes. 22:26, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I've added some more quotes. 14:19, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Give him a main quote, perhaps? ouo 01:43, August 10, 2013 (UTC)