Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Morningflower-For Approval



 * My second, tortie, and my first elder. The elder blanks show up black for me, can someone fix that? I fixed up this one, though. Tell me what you think of it. -- Mlns tlk • C 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

She looks good, but i think you might need a little more ginger fur. She looks too dark, and I think it's because of the black. But, otherwise, it's good. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, the separation between the white and the black on the neck looks unnatural. Play around with the shape a bit more, or extend the white up into the face and make those common white-face markings. Other than that, and what Mumble just said, this is really good. -- Dawnfeather 02:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploded and changed the neck black to white and ginger connection. Better? --Mallinois Herding Talk 21:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It is better. I think the ear pink, although it is the right colour is slightly too big for her ear, especially as the fur is black. Sandy Talk! 18:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done, though it may take a while to show up. --Mallinois Herding Talk 19:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should extend the white on the neck up onto the face, the way the is common amoung cats. also, the ginger patch on the front shoulder is an awkard shape. -- Dawnfeather 01:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The white is extended to her face, but it may take a while to show up... --Mallinois Herding Talk 14:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Instead of making an upward arch with the white into the face area, level with the eye, drop in down a bit and make it arch the other way. Also, extend the white that is on the face in a tendril up the nose. -- Dawnfeather 23:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with Dawnfeather. Just make those changes and it should be ready, if it looks good. -- Bramble My Realm 16:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done, but I like the old version better... --Mallinois Herding Talk 11:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I love this Mal! Sandy Talk! 11:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a gray lne on the muzzle. -- Dawnfeather 07:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkhallows - Senior Warrior?
Please go here to support Darkhallows becoming a senior warrior. Darkhallows, just to make it official, do you accept the nomination? G B 57 23:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Of course I accept. ^^ -- Darkhallows Lair 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall- For Approval


Okay, I'm really nervous about putting up art. You guys are a little intimidating. Here's my Birchfall. The changes are taking some time to come up, so the version you see might not be the most recent.

Dawnfeather, being my unofficial mentor, talked to me about it already. Hope this looks good to you! - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

More shading, and it might help to make it a little more brown.Sandwich 989 16:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. He looks like for of an olive green color than brown. Also it doesn't look like he has any eye color. I like this, though!  Goldencloud 17:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Sparrow, welcome to project charart! There's no need to be intimidated; the point of this is to make art, give advise to other users on how to improve their art and to have fun whilst adding to the character pages :) I personally agree with the comments Sandwich and Goldencloud have made and would like to add that blending the ear pink and shading into the pelt more will give it a more realistic look. It might help to remove the tabby markings whilst you get the shading and colour right, then add them on again - that's how I always attempt tabbies. Good luck :) [ps. please sign with 4 ~s] Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Colored eye, fixed shading. - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

You still need to blend the ear pink and I think he needs more shading on the legs and head. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, he needs more shading. But I like the stripes. Nice Job!-- Darkhallows Lair 08:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED More shading. - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

The tabby markings sort of look like they were done with crayon. You know how a crayon leaves a mark but it's kind of scratchy on the outline and it leaves tiny marks of the background through the markings? Thicken the markings a little so they don't look like crayon and maybe get rid of that mark near his head, just past his eye. -- Bramble My Realm 16:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thickened stripes, More shading. - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

Boulder - For Approval
Here is our first attempt at a character image. Critisism welcome! We think the shading turned out pretty good. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 01:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)



It's pretty good for a first image. However it needs more shading, and then the shading needs to be blended in.-- Darkhallows Lair 02:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, we fixed the shading (we think), though we're still having trouble blurring it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 03:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Use the tool that looks like a teardrop. If you do not have this tool, go to www.pixlr.com --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

As well as blending the shading you need to incresae the amount on the belly/tail Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 13:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bunch for the website! It helped so much! So, here's our blurred image.

[Edited to put this under the right section and repeat image deleted. Also please sign with 4 ~s] Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, now my comment! You only need to upload the image to this page once and if you've uploaded a new version it will show automatically. I can't see any changes yet though; have you actually uploaded the new version? Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

'''Sorry about the image thing - I didn't notice that. I changed it on here so the new one will show up. Sorry again. I swear I'm blind! I was trying to do a lot at once :)' Sandy'' <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

The image looks...fuzzy, and the shading isn't blended enough.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" size="3" color="DarkBlue">Warrior♥ 16:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I reduced the blurriness a bit. I’ll work on it some more later tonight/tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

You sharpened it... not blurred. Either that, or it's from being a jpeg. Try using .PNG-- Darkhallows Lair 21:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I blurred the shadows as much as I could...does it seem better now? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 00:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, anything else I can fix? Something is still bothering me about this picture. Should I put in highlights? (And how do I do that on pixlr, anyways?) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The iris looks grey, it needs to be some color. On highlights, I don't use pixlr, so you'll have to wait for someone who does to comment. Other than that, I think this is pretty good. Oh, and do you want to officially join the project? I can add you in on the main page as warriors. -- Bramble My Realm 16:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The eyes are actually blue. We'll try to increase the brightness of them and see if that helps. Also, we would appreciate offically joining the project. We left a request on Gorse's talk page, but he hasn't responded. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

On pixlr, to make highlights click on the Dodge Tool(it looks like a black ball at an end of a stick), or press O on your keyboard. Run the tool along just in front of the shading; you'll mouse will look like a regular brush then.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanks for the Dodge tool! I don't think I'll bother with highlights right now, but I'm planning to do another image and I'll try it on there. I also increased the eye color as best I could without it looking...unatural. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I need to start commenting on images to see what's really wrong. First off, Boulder is a tabby, so you'll need tabby markings. Also the shading by the hind leg that visible is smudged into the lineart, and a few more spots still look sharpened, try getting rd of them with natural color. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 01:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M&S) - Boulder's not a tabby - he's a skinny gray tom. Look at the allegainces in an older book or his lookup. You should never use Cats of the Cans as a reference. (Although the pictures in there do look awesome.) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M&S) - We fixed the blurred lineart. (...We think...) And "a few more spots" isn't very specific. Where, exactly do you mean? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you make the ear color a bit darker? It looks unnatural.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I darkened the ear pink - look any better? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * About the tabby markings, I though before he became old, he was a silver tabby tom... *runs to check* Yep, I grabbed A Dangerous Path, and in the allegiances, it says: Boulder-silver tabby tom, formerly a rouge cat. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 00:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Ohh! It seems he's one of those cats who's all confused about their color. Who thinks I should add tabby markings? (Post below) And they might have only showed up when he was younger or something. o_O Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Crowfrost - For Approval


I decided to colour a warrior as I haven't done one in a while :) Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 13:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oooh, Sandy, love your new sig. :) I think the shading on the black part of the pelt is too dark and distinct. Maybe lighten and blend it a little bit? -- Bramble My Realm 13:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Bramble; I was getting bored of the old one :) I've lightened the shading as much as possible and blended it more. I also remembered to make the background transparent! [I always forget that] Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! Every time we try to edit the main page, the computer freezes. /sob/ Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 14:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sandy - the new image had to be saved a a jpeg, while the old one was a gif. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 14:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry... I'm blind. I sorted it for you :) Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, now that's sorted, any more comments on Crowfrost? lol Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The shading still doesn't look right to me.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" size="3" color="DarkBlue">Warrior♥ 16:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I said I wouldn't post again today... but where exactly and in what way Warrior? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I blended the shading right into the pelt in an attempt to make it less... wrong Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Extend the white pelt over the eye. It looks odd to have it stop right at the eye, or at least to me. -- Bramble My Realm 22:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded: I messed around with the patches on the head and I think this looks better Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Blend the white by his head a bit. I can see a distinct line beyond the original blurring. -- Bramble My Realm 16:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No, this is good! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 04:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Dawn Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Loudbelly- for approval


I hope this is better than my Whitewing...<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 04:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks fine, but the outline is blurred in a few places, and he could use some highlights. To prevent this (in GIMP, at least) paste TWO images down on two layers, hit 'ctrl' + 'L' to bring up the layers menu, and click on the top layer. Then click on the wand tool and bring it to the white areas and click on delete. Then you have just the lines. Click on the bottom layer, and color that in... If that makes sense xD.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix the outlines. But what you said, does it mean I have to start all over? <font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, i have the whole shading thing down, but the last thing i need to know is how to highlight.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In the program I use (Photoshop), there's a dodge tool, and it looks like a small microphone. Just run that along the edge of the shading and it should produce a nice-looking highlight. -- Bramble My Realm 16:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

What program are you using? Oh, and I just noticed there's no head shading.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh dang i forgot head shading! I'll do it right away.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok heres my new one, im not sure if that light line is a highlight, but oh well. And Im not a huge fan of my head shading is ok, but you guys are the experts...<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The highlight needs to be blurred some more, and the outline is still blurred in some places, most notably the back of the foreleg and the forehead. Also shrink the ear pink a little and make it a darker pink. Other than that, this is very good and I like the color you chose for his pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 15:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok heres the new one.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 20:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The highlights still nede to be blended into teh pelt colour a little more and the ear pink needs to be slightly smaller and blended also. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I knew something was wrong with the ear...<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 14:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Rosekit- For Approval
I used the same shading as I did with Blossom. I wanted her to be long-haired, and a a nice looking image... but my GIMP froze and I lost it. Soo I have this. The whole 'dark cream' thing was confusing- Cream is a diluted ginger (I think) so dark cream would be similar to light ginger? Whatever, here she is.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I love her!!! But she could use some more shading inder the head, and between the front legs. ;) Nice work!!! -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha I just noticed we both reserved Rosekit. :) You reserved her first, and got her uploaded first, so I'll let you have it. Mine looks waaaaay different than yours. Yours is a lot lighter, and I didn't put any tabby markings. I imagined dark cream as being more of a rosy ginger color. Yours looks more like a smoky pale brown. But maybe that's just me. Also try making the tabby markings less saturated, they look kind of odd against the diluted fur. Do I sound harsh? I don't mean to... --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 22:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Cream is a real color in cats. It's like a diluted ginger tabby. I agree that the color isn't perfect tough. I'll try and fix that.-- Darkhallows Lair 02:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Made her more red. -- Darkhallows Lair 02:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks better now. I know about the whole cream thing, I had just pictured "rose"kit as being slightly more reddish. The only thing I suggest is maybe making the stripes less orange. But if it doesn't look good then you don't have to. It just still looks...funny to me. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 03:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Her body is on an angle, which is why the tabby stripes look funny. Her right, our left, tabby markings should be shorter, and her other side tabby markings should probably be a teansy bit longer. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather

Once again this may be my computer but can you make sure the background's transparent as it's showing up black right now. I like the colour but I think there are too many tabby markings on her sides and they're way too close together and kind of... bright. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The background is transparent, I never edit the bg... so I don't know whats up with that. || I made a new version, same shading. Is that one better? -- Darkhallows Lair 06:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I love the second version Shade! That is dark cream if I ever saw it. The only thing I see is the eyes on the second are kind of dark, make them a bit lighter. -- Bramble My Realm 15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Eye color changed.-- Darkhallows Lair 22:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This looks really great! Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It might just be me, but it seems like the eyes are blurred a little bit, and there are faint lines where the tabby markings used to be. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Used to be? I started a whole new image so I'm not sure what you mean? There are very faint tabby stripes...

But I will fix the eye.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:17, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Medicine Cat Apprentice? (Maybe)

 * Here?


 * <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 00:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This seems fine. But don't color the herbs (?). -- Darkhallows Lair 02:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to color the herbs. Unless we don't mind the herbs in all the medicine cats' mouths to possibly different colors. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 03:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should colour the herbs in the blanks. The outline of the herbs should be a bit thicker, and should extend a bit further up as if they were in the mouth, not under the chine! A bit of chin has to be consealed by the hearbs to do this. Just put it were you think that the mouth should be, only a few pixels higher. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, don't colour the herbs; there are so mnay different types of leaves they could be carrying that we may as well leave it up to whoever colours the cat to decide what colour green they should be - it will add to the individuality of each pixel. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This blank can't be accepted, because you edited the apprentice blanks to make these. I'l either decline this, or you can start over from scratch. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

GB, we have permission to edit the blanks, and on the forum, 'Do we really need Medicine Cat Apprentice Blanks' we have basically decidec to edit the blanks to put herbs into their mouths and make them Med cats. That's what i did below. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, we don't. Please see "A Little Misunderstanding...". <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

??? What did I miss? <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 23:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

K, looks like we can use these after all. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

So, Misty, I think if you just thicken the leaves' outline and take out the color, it would look pretty good. -- Bramble My Realm 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, but It will take awhile, I'm not using the same computer. I think GB knows I have more than one. ;) <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 23:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This? Oh, the last one didn't upload. -.- <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 02:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Take out the color, and make them a little less round, more like your original leaves. But I like the thickened lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 03:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Opps! I 4got 'bout the color, and I can't make them the way the first one is like. I 4got. -.- <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 22:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Just take the colour out and make the leaves more pointed; they don't have to be identical to your first ones just less rounded. Also, you nede to do the other blank so that it is the same as the three. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

ie. you need to do the longhaired tom Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Tumblekit - For Approval


Okay, back to the kits, lol. Comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

really good, except some of the tabby markings are bothering me, the ones with a 'y' in them ,especially. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I removed the 'y' markings on the image and I tried blending them slightly on the second image to see if it looked any better. Comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He's really cute, but I liked the tabby markings better before they were blended. Can you sharpen them a little? Or alter the other one to match Dawn's suggestion. -- Bramble My Realm 15:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I did alter them but it won't show... I've uploaded twice now and they still won't show on the first image. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange... -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I messed with the files and then it decides to change. Better? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Awwww! So cute! Isn't he the one who died from the twoleg liquid? (P.s--> I think he is ready for approval) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

That actually could be, right age, same timing; wow, never occurred to me before. On the image, I think it looks great. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think he could have more chin shading, btu otherwise, it's good. By the way, I use the "jagged y" tabby markings because they're on the cats that Kitsufox approved, and she knows more about art than I do. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay I reuploaded with more neck shading. (I know Mal; I use them mostly because of that very same reason but I couldn't get them to look right for him...) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Oakpaw-For Approval


Here's Oakpaw of SkyClan. He's my first tabby. I decided to go with the original tabby stripes.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 18:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks good, but it doesn't look like you shaded him much if at all. Also he needs more tabby stripes. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Increased shading and markings.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the tabby markings are very realistic. They are very small. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried making them longer, but it didn't look right to me. It looked like he had lighting all over his body.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 16:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Besides the tabby markings, it looks like he could use some more shading along his back, hind legs, front legs, and maybe a bit more along the belly. Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 00:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 16:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

He still needs more shading; make it bigger and slightly darker. Also, the marking - they do need to be bigger - look at some of the approved tabby apprentices for reference Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Onewhisker - For Approval
<BR> Until we get the blanks, I thought the leaders deserved some kind of character art. So here's Onewhisker. I actually loved this guy until he turned into Onestar. I wasn't sure how to do "mottled tabby", so I did a few tabby marks with tiny spots dispersed throughout. If anyone has any suggestions, don't be shy! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT1 I lightened him a little bit, and took out some of his mini-spots. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT2 Added a few more tabby  marks. Plus I blended the muzzle into the rest of the pelt and added some light brown dots for texture. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud  17:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I dunno about your question, but Onewhisker looks awesome!!! -- MU MB LE 785  20:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mumble! (do you mind me calling you that?) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Love the texture! But I think you can make him more light brown. But (I dont know if this is right, Its from CoTc) but he may have white tabby stripes.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I was wondering about that too. I looked him up in CotC and noticed the white striped-ness, and was going to change it, but there are some mistakes in CotC, and the books never mentioned anything about white, so I just left it. I'll make him lighter, though. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Goldencloud...  I think we need to ban you on the basis that you need to make art that isn't so good! Well done! May get rid of a tesnsy bit of the texture, and add a bit more shading though. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think you're the one who should be banned, not me. :) Thanks a bunch, though! I'll flush a few of the dots down the toilet. Do you mean make the shading darker? I used the same shading layer I did for Hazeltail. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I love it. The thing is that the muzzle doesn't really match. Maybe add some texture or more shading to it?-- Darkhallows Lair 08:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you think you could add a few more tabby stripes, like in your Heathertail image? He only has about four that I can see. And what Darkhallows said. Other than that, I'm echoing Dawnfeather here. :) Oh, Goldencloud, when you post, do you think you could do it in one section? It just makes it easier to find and read and it also takes up less space. -- Bramble My Realm 15:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try that. Sorry about the whole posting thing, I'm just used to deviantART still. I'll keep that in mind! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 17:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I finally remember what this remings me of, a marble! <font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 19:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - AMAZING. You should make a guide for coloring blanks. No really, you should. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

♠ Sandwich lol you're right he kind of does look like a marble! ♠ Mosswisker Thanks! Really? I have no idea how I would do it, or I'd be happy to. Any suggestions? (is it okay how I posted this?) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep. That works great. I like the added number of stripes, he looks great now. The only tiny thing is that his eyes somehow look odd to me. Could you try maybe switching the pupil with the white pixel? If it looks bad we can switch back. -- Bramble My Realm 03:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

''Thanks Mumble! (do you mind me calling you that?)'' Your welcome! And no, I don't mind. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  21:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - All you'd have to do is explain, step-by-step somewhere (Maybe on your lookup if possible) how you make them. For example: First, I find a picture of a cat that looks the the charature I'm drawing... ect. You also could take screenies and post them (Prt Scrm Sys Rq) and do it like that. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, you just need to try the eye like Bramble suggested and I alao think the ear pink needs to be more visible Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Bumblekit for Approval
I'm finally back! Well I see Bumblekit was taken down like I expected. So here we have Bumblekit up again. No highlights this round (i despise them on kits)just different sets of shading. I looked at some of the other kits for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Bumblekit! I'd say he looks pretty good, but your shading confuses me. Where is the light source coming from? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading style looks fine to me as it's what is used on a lot of approved kits. I just think it needs to be darker and slightly bigger on the forelegs. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Notes on Reserving characters

 * Okay, we've got the reserving of characters now, but I can see that some users are grabbing things like 3 leaders and two medicine cats. I thought this would be a problem, so I've decided that a user should be able to have one leader and one medicine cat reserved, since we need more curren pixels that have blanks and that can be done approved. But, if you're very determined to keep reserved leaders and medicine cats, I think PCA could work it out. Bramble, do I have your approval to make this official? --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois  Herding Talk 01:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course. :) -- Bramble My Realm 02:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to sound whiny or annoying. But now that it is implemented, I am really disliking the reserving. I think five is way too many, maybe reserving two, or three? I mean people are reserving apprentice slots for when kits grow up. I had thought it was a way to stop people from making two images of the same cats, but it doesn't seem to be working out well.-- Darkhallows Lair 05:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkhallows is right. I think users need to be sensible with it by only reserving characters they actually have the time to work on. It's ridiculous to reserve pixels for when cats are older... what if they die as a kit? or never become a warrior? The point of reserving cats is to reserve ones you've begun working on or have immediate plans to work on not cats you want to do some time in the distant future... (nice idea though Mal) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Adding to what I said yesterday, although the new rules have bene implemented about only having one leader and one med cat there are still people with more than that reserved. Now that the medicine cat blanks have been approved we do not want arguements over the cats but at the same time people need to share them out a bit more evenly so that anyone who wants the opportunity to colour a med cat (not that they are that different from the warriors) can do so... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Darn!!! Can I keep my reservations? -- MU MB LE 785  21:17, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I mean people are reserving apprentice slots for when kits grow up. Isn't that dumb. I mean, what if the kit dies? <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 22:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a question...
Ok, so I just got paint.net. It isn't perfect and I am not good at it, but at least it's better than Paint. My question is, how do I blend? Sparrowsong 16:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

There should be some tool in there that says blur tool. The one on Photoshop and GIMP looks like a rain drop. Just run it along whatever you want to blend. -- Bramble My Realm 21:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

how do u join in?

how can i create a character art? and if u have to become a member can i?

how can i join in ok i wan to also create character arts but i don't know how. if u have to become a member, can i? - squirrelflight_star- thanks

Please sign your messages with four of these: ~, Squirrelflight star. And yes you can join if you want, all I have to do is edit the main page and add you in as a member. And to make a charart all you have to do is click on the lineart and the main page, save it, use an art program such as GIMP or Photoshop to color and shade it, and then upload it here. -- Bramble My Realm 21:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tigerclaw - For Approval


'''Yay! The ultimate villain!''' I did him as a warrior when i realised that no one else had. What do you think of my ultimate crazy guy? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 21:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The tabby markings are great, but can you make them more pronounced? I can barely see them. Awesome work though. :) -- Bramble My Realm 21:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Amazing as usual! The only thing is is that Tigerclaw has a V shape in his ear, and a scar across the bridge of his nose. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, he looks amazing! It seems that Bramble and Mosswisker have already covered everything. Also I don't know if this makes any sense, but have you tried shading the eye? (like how I do on mine) It would just make his eye a little more interesting, rather that just being the one shade of amber. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the ear, added a scar (I hope it's okay), and changed the eye. What do you think? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

This looks really beautiful Dawn Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you changed the stripes, but the added scar and vshaped ear look really cool. -- Bramble My Realm 21:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Awesome job on the V and stripes! *highfives* Although I have to agree with Bramble on this one; it looks as though you didn't change the stripes. You did color Millie, didn't you? Try doing your stripes like that, but don't have them connect together (if that makes any sence...) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry! I missed the bit about the stripes. I burnt over the stripes but not the not-stripes. Is it better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Rowanclaw - For Approval


The most gender confused cat in history. lol. What do you think? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 21:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

lol Poor poor Rowanclaw...he needs psychological help. I think he looks alright! I like your new tabby stripe style. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 00:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He's ginger, and this is a brown color. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 00:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried to make him both pale ginger and a realistic colour at the same time. Is it okay? Goldencloud - thanks! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I do think he needs to be slightly more ginger as Mal said. Not fluro orange ginger but a bit darker! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is the colour better now? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

much. I really like this :) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything else i can do? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 12:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Clawface - For Approval


Nothing interesting to asy about this one. Comments? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 21:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean, nothing to say about Clawface? HE KILLED SPOTTEDLEAF!!! - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

So?

Anyway, I really like this Dawnfeather.-- Darkhallows Lair 23:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to claw his face for killing Spottedleaf. I like the texture...ish...ness...:P --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 00:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Slow down a little, Dawn. :) We're over 25 now, I'm getting a little nervous. But your image looks great, and I'll echo Goldencloud on the cool texturizing. Comments before approval, members? -- Bramble My Realm 03:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Bramble! I'll try and make worse images from now on so they take longer to be approved. :P I said 'nothing much to say about him' because i too hate him for killing Spottedleaf. I didn't want to honour him with having a description. Anything i can do to make him better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's okay. :) I meant the number of images you had up, not the number you had apporved, why would I want that decreased? But the image looks awesome, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Good job! -- Bramble My Realm 21:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I know what you meant - what i meant was if I take longer to get images approved i won't post so many will I? lol. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Anymore comments before approval? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Mintfur For Approval
What do you think? Eh.. nothing worth say besides that I have way to much time on my hands.-- Darkhallows Lair 23:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I think he/she (too lazy to look up Mintfur's gender) looks amazing! I love him/her! Only think that catches my eye is that the tabby stripes need blended in some parts. And make the ear pink a little wider. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 00:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. I think the stripes are blended now, are they? The ear is fixed too, I think. Oh, and Mintfur is a he ^^.-- Darkhallows Lair 01:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the end of the tail needs to be blended more to make the colour transition more natural and the tip of the ear needs blending in too. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Blended more. -- Darkhallows Lair 09:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

That's better :) He looks really good Darkhallows! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Cinderpelt (medicine cat-for approval

 * [[File:Cinderpelt (medicine cat).PNG]]


 * If there is anything wrong, please tell me. I want this picture to be perfect. My first medicine cat with the new blanks. In my opinion, Cinderpelt wouldn't look all that great if she was in a thin, slender looking medicine cat blank. The warrior blank suits her because she was supposed to be one... --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 11:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

She's too dark, as she is only specified as a gray she cat with blue eyes, and fluffy i think too. She is also a tabby. I agree that she has to be perfect, as I am also a great fan of her! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In the allegiances, it says: Cinderpelt-dark gray she-cat. So she is dark gray, and she's not a tabby, but many times in the books, she has been mentioned with enormous blue-colored eyes. Anything else? (And can someone cite tabby markings if she has any?) Plus, she's long-haired, so that takes care of the fluffy. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 13:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

On her actual page, it says that she is a gray tabby. I still don't think she should be so dark though. The ear colour is too bright. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I think she should be a bit lighter and should have tabby stripes as she is supposed to look like Cinderheart who is the reincarnation of her and is a tabby. As for the rest; more blending of the shading to make the colour transitions smoother. Also make the ear pink smaller  Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In most of the allegiances she has been in, she's dark gray. If she has tabby markings, someone please provide a direct citation from the books, page number and volume. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk

Wasn't she identical to Cinderheart?--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 00:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Apologies Mal; I looked for a few references last night and the only descriptions of her within the books were of a grey she-cat. She is said to ahve 'smoky grey fur' on page 65 of the paperback edition of Forest of Secrets. You need to make her a little lighter as she looks almost black here and the shading needs blending. No tabby stripes; that should be removed from her page Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's fine. I lightend her and changed the ear pink. It may take a while to show up, though. I tried to keep her dark, but not too dark like my last one. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 14:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Echosong (med.cat)
This is my second character art, and I'm rather pleased with it. I know that some of the outlines are rather blurry, but is there anything else?

The ear pink needs blending and it needs to be neatened up as some of the areas are very blurry, even inside the lineart Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC) [edited 12th: didn't mean to write in caps]

What Sandy said, and please sign with four ~s.<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 18:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

A few things about doing Yellowfang?
I have an image of her, but on her page it says tabby? Um... where in the book does it say that? Even in CoTC she's just dark gray. Also should I shorten her nose? Darkhallows Lair 03:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I never remember Yellowfang being called a tabby, that should probably be taken off the page unless it can be cited. I'm pretty sure in the allegiances she was always just a dark gray cat. Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 03:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

She's not tabby, I'm sure of it. I remember her being described as a dark grey she-cat with a broad face. As for shortening her muzzle... you could try it and see how it goes! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Kinkfur - For Approval


I wanted a challenge and she certainly was more difficult that your average cat! I think she turned out quite nice though, comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I like your idea with the back and tail, it's just in the tail, some are chunks taken out of the tail, and they don't look right. I think that you should also edit the ones on the chest to make them more pointy. The tabby markings need to be bigger and thicker, and she needs darker and bigger shading on the chest and some other areas. Wow, that must have been hard to do! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)