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Cats of the Park Blanks ~ For Approval
They're so icky omgggg please rename them for me if I named them wrong? I'm no good at lineart

I'll fill them in and fix the longhair's leg in the next upload. ;-;

I suggest looking at the other blanks, you might pick up some good points. Maybe try drawing lines that helps show the muzzle, sorta like the cave-guard or leader. Just keep trying until it seems right. 06:13, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Round the tips of the ears and maybe make the eyes a little bit smaller. 07:18 Fri Aug 21

IDK but the (our) left leg on the short haired blank looks a bit too thin on it's staring point? (My vocabulary omg ;;) I think you get what I mean? 08:44, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

The muzzle looks a bit small. Try enlarging it? 09:06, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups I tried... The eyes looked like aliens >.> still very icky ._.

Maybe make the edge of the eyes a /little/ sharper? 11:26, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Could you make the lines thinner? 13:19, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Could you enlarge the muzzle? 13:25, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

The lines don't need to be thinner, Burnt. They match the thickness on some of the blanks we have, and it's honestly fine.

Largen the eyes?  ~ Silver Cloud ~  16:25, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, I think the lines should be thinner. Anyways can you space out the eyes a little? They look too close together. But you did an awesome job! 18:07, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

There's a couple of white pixels on the long-haired's left ear. Songheart (talk) 18:15, August 21, 2015 (UTC)Songheart

The eyes should have thicker lineart, and the eyes should be further apart and follow the curve of the face more. The chin should be more noticable as well. Nubface (talk) 18:33, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

The face is bent downwards at an angle. Right now, the eyes are facing forward with the same perception. If the muzzle where to be there, the eye on our left would have to be angled a bit differently, to make way for the shape of the muzzle. if that didn't make sense i'll try to explain it better 20:15 Fri Aug 21

Will this get declined if I'm gone for a week...? Because I'm going to my friend's house for a couple days.

No. A week without uploads on blanks is not fair. Blanks are a much different process than a normal image- I don't remember the timeframe we decided on, but if you don't upload for a week, you won't lose your blanks. I think we ended up picking two weeks...or something like that. Regardless, working on blanks is a very long process and there's no need to hold you to the same requirements as a normal image. It just wouldn't be fair, flat out.

Forgot to mention earlier, but the tail should be moved down a bit, especially on the shorthair. The tails rests on the ground and tends to curl around their front paws. Nubface (talk) 20:46, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't a little bit of the hindpaw be visible somewhat through the tail? 13:40, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Do you think this lineart is a little... Too big? Not gonna be rude. --ShellaxySpaniel (talk) 05:10, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

The size is fine tbh. There are other blanks the same size/bigger. Also, if you were talking about the lineart itself, the thickness of the lines is fine as there are other blanks with the same thickness of lines. 21:01, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

I think the lineart could be just a touch smaller and the lineart just a touch thinner, but that's just me. Also, the angle of the face looks a little off - it looks like, from the position of the cat, the head is titled a bit downward, but the face seems tilted too much upward. Also, the tail is a little too high up on the shorthair, it should be even with the front paws, at least at the base, since that's where it would connect to the back. May I offer a redline to help with anatomy and such? If not, that's cool, just offering. ^^ Jayie  Unwritten words~ 21:51, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Here's a friendly nudge to not forget to upload!

I honestly think the blanks should be scaled down slightly to match the sizes of our other blanks, because as it stands right now, they are the largest. The anatomy seems to be that of a kitten? I think that the rounded paws and round face shape give this appearance, if you go with slightly more defined shapes, it should help give more of an adult cat appearance. The long furred's fur seems to be a bit spiky, do you think you could lay it flatter to the body and have it follow the direction of the body as best as you can? And it might just be me, but the perspective at which the front of the cat is versus where the butt sits seems kind of off to me and looks kind of painful for the cat's spine. Do you think you could scooch the cat's hindquaters closer to the body? I'm not an anatomy expert, and some of my advice could be wrong, and in that instance, I may be disproven and I'm fine with that, but that's personally how I would draw the blanks if I were doing them myself. I hope I helped at all. 04:04, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups Now here's a thing, I was told to enlarge them (my original ones were way smaller) and the entire cat went crooked because I tried to redraw it. Pixelizing/scaling is a little too hard for me, or I could've been doing it wrong, and in that case can someone tell me how to do it? @Ivy, I tried my best for the fur... I kinda screwed it up. When I first drew the blank I copied exactly from an actual cat photo, so I'd like to get a second opinion on the hind legs. I lowered the short-haired tail, and I moved the eyes of both blanks down and a little more separated from each other. I hope I covered everyone I could, but if I missed something please tell me!

Could you still sharpen the eyes a little? 09:37, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Did you make the fur a little less spikey? --&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Russettail13/Sig&#125;&#125;. (talk) 13:27, August 29, 2015 (UTC)Russet

The fur seems fine to me - its long-furred anyways, if you're talking about the long haired blank. I hate to be pushy again, but could you maybe thin out the lines again? They just seem really thick, and I know I'm being picky for a blank with only 2 characters but... yeah. 15:09, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

Can you add whiskers? Also, try making the muzzle a little rounder. Look at the other charart images for help. I think adding little lines in between the eyes and nose helps too. 22:23, August 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think that their eyes and nose need to be moved so it looks like they're looking down. Like these: http://i.imgur.com/Z8NJeuj.png http://i.imgur.com/EkxBgJv.png The muzzle is pointing downwards (well it looks that way to me) so the eyes should point downwards too. — ☆ ＦＩＲＲＥＬ  ★    ❝ ❤ ❞  16:12, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

You didn't largen the eyes.

 ~ Silver Cloud ~  01:37, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

She didn't upload yet. Give her a bit. 01:40, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, but I think I'd have to withdraw these... I don't have time of them because of school, and my laptop is taken by my parents. I might have time to work on regular projects with the school computers, but blanks are a lot harder. Anyone can take these over if they want, I'll even allow them to use them directly (although I'm not even a fan of them myself). I can come back to them later, but it's probably going to be ages.

I'll take over, unless someone else wants to. 12:52, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

You currently have a blank as a voting choice for the Early Settlers, Princess. Could we leave this for someone who does not have one there and hasn't had a chance to make a blank? Storm, Winter, Burnt, Fox? Or anyone else that does not have a blank on the Early Settler vote? (we don't know who will win and tbh having two at once would not be right) Would you guys like to give it a try?

Yeah, that makes sense. Someone else should do it. 13:09, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Can I try? :D 13:21, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Gladly, if you keep the stance that Bramblesnow provided. That's what we voted on, so that's what'll stay.

Can I do two things at once? I have willow tail up right now...or does this not count as a reservation? 13:35, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

You can keep both at once- doing blanks are not the same thing as doing images. 13:37, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reups Did I do it right? 14:05, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Beautiful <3 Maybe make the ears bigger? 14:09, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, cats ears are not that big, so I don't think so ... 14:11, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, but the paws are bugging me. maybe make them a bit more, on the ground, instead on the tip parts of the paws? 14:16, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reups 14:25, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Separate the eyes a bit more. 18:35, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

can you make the tail a little bit fluffier? theyre supposed to be longhaird but theyre honestly barely thicker than the shorthairs. also the haunch looks oddly small, and the eyes maybe should be tilted just a tad so theyre not so totally front facing. the paws should be more on the ground too- the cats are putting their weight on them. HotTeacher69 (talk) 18:39, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reups Honestly, the tail can be edited if the cat's tail is said to be predominantly more fluffy, like Feathertail. And I'm looking at my cat right now, comparing pictures to a shorthair cat and they're honestly not that much bigger. And the eyes aren't front facing, they're facing down already. 18:51, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Can you make the the tail on the shorthair thicker? Also, extend the mouth some more. Curve the <<<< front paw some more near the chest and curve the chest on that side more as well. Extend the haunch just a tad outwards, right now it seems to be in an awkward position in relations to the front of the body. 1:29 Tue Sep 8

I actually think the tails could be fluffier on the long-haired, but in general, just a tad bit longer. Remember, what your cat looks like is just one of many many cute and adorable kitties in existence. I also think the lineart could be a tad bit thicker to match the styles of the other blanks.

All of the blanks on this site have lines that are two pixils thick. In some places it appears to have that, but in others it looks like it has either three or one, and you want to make sure not to leave entire black areas, such as the ears. Make one white pixil in the black to break it up. Just a little tidbit of advice from someone who made a blank from scratch and occasionally does pixil work on the side. This is shaping up very nicely and you're doing great! 02:20, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the muzzle shape. 10:16, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reups QnQ blanks are hard 21:25, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Echosnout (MC) ~ For Approval
omg yas. 00:04, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

As a RiverClan cat, she needs long fur. Also, blur and lighten the shading a bit. Over all, very nice. 00:21, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

The shading is fine imo. Shading doesn't have to be super light/super blurred if the artist doesn't want it to be like that. 00:34 Tue Sep 1

reups changed to long haired blank (Ill get the waste off the tail) 03:27, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Bluestar. The shading could definitely be blurred a tad. 04:06, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, I can't even see the shading. Or it just might be my screen. 04:12, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the head and shoulder region. Great job, Bramble! She's very pretty lol

A lil bit of waste on the tail tip~ 17:22, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

1st. I would say i would of gotten rid of the waste when i uploaded, and second, i think it may be your screen you cant see the shading.. 20:28, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

re-up I didnt see spottehs comment, ill get to that. 20:50, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

+ shading wont seem to blur, suggestions? 20:51, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define the shading on the back paws a little? 01:30, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Define the earpink a bit? 21:04, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

withdrawing Wiki seems to be blocking me from the real world, so ill be gone for a month or two away from wiki.... 21:46, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

taking over and therefore re-up 13:24, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Smudge the white a bit more? IDK, but maybe the herb color should be smoother? Nice job by the way. 21:07, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm struggling to see the shading on the black. Maybe lighten the black a tiiinny bit (just a tiny) and define the shading? This is really beautiful! 00:20, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

re-up 01:56, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs- I don't think the entire leg should be pretty much all in shadow. shadows are taking over ooooooh spoopy

re-up 13:25, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

define shading on the herbs? 14:19, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Harepounce (W) ~ For Approval
When I first made it I rushed so it looks like poo. I'm sorry. ;-; ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 00:31, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading on the haunch and neck :) 01:24 Tue Sep 1

Lighten the shading all together. 04:14, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Redone-ish by the former Skiddleybopblitz! Ech. I forgot to lighten. 22:13:55 1 Sep 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs? 00:48, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to sound stupid, but all of them or just X amount of them? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:31, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Would you mind defining it on all the legs? 20:25, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

And perhaps lighten the front legs? The legs themselves are a significantly darker brown than the other. I understand it's shading, but when you incorporate the comments above, it should look better. 21:04 Wed Sep 2

Reuploaded Posting this before bed so I may have 1,000% more errors than usual. If I forgot my signature then aw crap. -- ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 03:13, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the face and legs. 11:16, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded It's getting kinda difficult for me to lighten the shading without it looking too bad, at least in my eyes. Anyway, is this gonna get declined because I was in Fort Wayne yesterday and this morning/afternoon? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 22:48, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

i can't see your light source 13:32, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Don't know what to do right at this moment but here is my image of her without the shading blurred. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:23, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Rainfur (TC) (W) ~ For Approval
01:54, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

omg love this, but mabey lighten the shading on the tail Belllastar (talk) 02:39, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reups 02:57, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading, especially on the neck and haunch? 03:23, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

reups Shading was being stupid so I redid it. 22:33, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

lighten shading Belllastar (talk) 00:43, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine imo. Maybe blur the shading a bit more overall? 00:51, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

reups I smudge my shading, not blur it, so I did that instead. That's the most I can do without it looking strange, though 01:19, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Belllastar, you should lighten the shading a tad. Also, I see a shadow on the front leg closest to us that seems out of place to me. 01:28, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think the shading darkness is ok, maybe smudge it on the main body just a tad more? 01:37, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reups I went ahead and lightened it some. But again, I can't smudge it more without it looking strange, sorry V_V I tried, but it's being stubborn. I'll try some more later, maybe. 07:39, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Can you lighten the shading just a tiiinny bit more? 03:17, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I'm getting a sense that she is actually speckled... She looks like she's just got random white streaks and a tabby design tbh. Also, are you still working? 05:45, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Smudge the line of shading on the ear closest to us. 10:16, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

reups yeah, still working. for the speckles, I'll mess with that in the morning. That's just how they turned out when I smudged them, I'll try redoing them and lowering the rate on my smudge tool or somethin. 21:52, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

reuploaded fixed the speckles and ear shading. Missed Breezeheart's comment last upload, oops. 15:33, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Rabbitleap (TC) (K) ~ For Approval
This is acualy the first submission, '''this is my baby! Belllastar (talk) 02:49, September 1, 2015 (UTC)'''

Maybe make the earpink a little pinker? BCPrincess73 (talk) 03:05, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

I changed the title of this, for it's supposed to be "under evaluation" as you are still a kit. Can you define the shading on < side of her body? 03:13, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Add/define neck shading 09:11, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Define the leg shading. 12:02, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Define and/or lighten the eye colour. She looks like she has black eyes. And Belllastar? You did awesome, alot better than me. ~Spottehwobble

Add shading down the right (our right) edge of both front legs, and the tail shading should be on the other side of the tail, if the light is coming from the left. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:51, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups Belllastar (talk) 00:04, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the front legs? 00:52, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail, and define the light on the little back paw. There should be at least a bit of light there. Also define the shading under the chin on the neck. 00:53, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I still don't see any shading on the right side of the right front leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 01:16, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

and maybe darken the underbelly (area between the two front legs) a tad. 21:02 Wed Sep 2

You'll need to ask someone to rename this to File:Rabbitleap (TC).kit.png. 09:27 Thu Sep 3

I renamed this for you. From now on, you'll need to upload over the filename Berry gave you.

You know what you are doing, i'll promote you into an apprentice. 02:39, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Are you still working on this, though? 05:41, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

YES I just need CBA Belllastar (talk) 12:23, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

If you reuploaded, you'll need to comment and say you did so. I think there should be neck shading with this source... I don't seem to see any?

Lighten the shading too, please 14:18, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Flashnose (w) - CBA
ayyy 04:23, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Could you lighten the overall shading a few ticks? 05:30, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

The green/blue tint is sort of throwing off the colour...perhaps try a darker, completely blue colour on multiply or a red tiny. This is really, really nice though... wb legGy 09:23 Tue Sep 1

Define the ear-pink. 21:55, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I played with some redder tones for the shading instead of having the gray-blue color. thx berRy 01:01, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm having trouble making out the earpink. Could you define it? 21:16, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

With how the ear is shaped and where my light is coming from, the whole inner ear is in shadow, and I also have tufts of fur over the pink, so I'm a little hesitant to mess with it more to bring out that color. 23:17, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think it should still be defined. 03:54, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Where did this idea that earpink has to be super defined even come from? I mean it goes back to before I even joined wwiki, but it makes no sense really. On the vast majority of cats, the ear isn't even an especially different color, either due to the fur color being similar, or the amount of fur covering the ear. The earpink on this is significantly more visible than in most photos of real cats, especially ginger ones, so defining it would not be realistic at all.

Earpink should still be visible. And in this case I think it should be defined so I'm asking. However, if you think its fine even with others saying not so then okay. 22:20, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

i do agree that it could be defined a tad. 23:00 Thu Sep 3

tbh, I agree w/ Paleclaw. Earpink isn't always super visible on cats and it's not even /that/ important regarding to the image quality. the main things that should be focused on are the patterns, shading etc. As long as you can tell there's ear pink it's fine :/ 12:54, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I've been using this kind of as my guide for coloration. Without shading, the earpink and ear area looks the same, but with my angle of light and the shape of the ear, all of my earpink/ear fur is in shadow, so it would be inconsistent if I lightened it further. 17:57, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

But I can't tell there's earpink and thats the problem. 20:02, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

im agreeing with icy. define it, it wont kill you to. HotTeacher69 (talk) 07:54, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

I can see the earpink very easily on this, at least on my computer. It's not hard to see at all. However I will say that it's nearly invisible on my phone screen, but then so is the shading on nearly every black cat on here. So it may be your guys' screen? But regardless of that, I still stand by what I said about earpink not needing to be extremely defined. I can't barely see the earpink on these either. Why should it have to be more visible than that on this image? (though it actually already is plenty more visible on my screen, just apparently not all yours)

Exactly- You can barely /see/ the ear pink on most cats, and plus I can see the earpink fine on this one. 08:21, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

i dont care about realism? i really dont, stop trying to force it. and im sticking with it being defined, and thats all im saying on this. i REALLY can barely see it. HotTeacher69 (talk) 08:22, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Realism is not mandatory in PCA. So four of us happen to have the same color calibration issue? I think that's highly unlikely. It's not too hard to just tweak it ever so slightly. Just because it's visible on some, does not mean it's visible on all screens. I also think Leggy should tweak it, even if it's not too much. Just enough so the four of us can make it out from the pelt color.

I just suggested that it might be the monitors that were the issue, since that was the only reason I could think of that some people could see it easily and some couldn't see it at all.

I'm not saying realism is mandatory. I'm not even advising it in this topic honestly. Right now I'm indifferent on whether any other images have earpink that's super defined, or earpink that's invisible. I'm indifferent on whether leggy makes the choice to change it or leave it. I'm not asking for things to be realistic. What I am trying to do is point out that you're forcing unrealism by continually asking her to change it when it actually is realistic and she has already stated why she doesn't want to define it. It's not even that the earpink isn't aesthetically pleasing, and that's why you guys think it should be changed. It's not offensive in any way, it's simply not visible to you guys. You're enforcing a standard that has no basis whatsoever. I can't think of a single good reason why the myth that earpink has to be defined even started, nevermind why people are still trying to force it. Why should it be a requirement on any image? Right now not one good reason has been given to define the earpink that isn't simply following the myth that earpink has to be super visible on every single image even if it looks bad or is unrealistic or is offensive on the eyes. That's my problem with the situation.

I fail to understand how four different people, in different parts of the world, with different computers not being able to see the ear pink isn't a valid enough reason? We're not forcing unrealism, and in fact, the same counterargument could be said by saying it's fine- you're promoting realism- if four different people can't see it, tweaking it would not hurt. It's not that I don't find it pleasing. I actually didn't even know the image had ear pink until Leggy brought it to my attention on Skype when she asked me what she should do with the image.

I'm not sure you're quite understand what I'm trying to say here, so I'm gonna try and word it differently. You said realism isn't mandatory right? Well unrealism isn't either as far as I'm aware. Which means it's artist's choice. And the artist made her choice to make it realistic, and gave good reasoning for it.

I'm not saying tweaking it would hurt. I'm not doubting that four people are struggling to see it. I'm asking what reasoning you have for it needing to be super visible? It doesn't matter how many people can't see it if none of them have a reason for it needing to be easily seen. If it's not anything related to realism or unrealism, and it's not to do with aesthetics, and it's not to do with any official guidelines on the topic, what's your reasoning? The only one I can see so far is the need to blindly follow a myth started by a few people, probably years and years ago, without any backing. I'm asking what the reason is that four people think an artist should be denied her artistic choice on something that isn't and has never been addressed in the official rules (at least to my knowledge). If you can give a good reason, sure go ahead, but so far I haven't heard one. Four people can't see it? Alright. But why do they need to? That's a question that hasn't been answered once in this whole discussion.

I'm no enforcing realism by saying it's fine. It being "fine" isn't my point or my reason for arguing this. I'm not saying it'd be wrong if it were defined. I'm saying that unless further reasoning is given, it's artist's choice, and that isn't being respected right now.

DISCLAIMER: This comment was written with the intention of resolving this argument. I am not angry, and I tried to show it in my comment. Please calm down. Paleclaw, we're not trying to force unrealism, just a standard we heard was the way it is. Snowed, Paleclaw's point is that the earpink doesn't need to be visible, not that it is. They're saying earpink should be the artist's choice, not that is has to be realistic. PCA is supposed to be fun, right? Let's keep it fun. 14:33, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if just Paleclaw can see it. Four other people can't. Rainlegs, I'm asking you kindly to define the earpink. 16:28, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

ok. we all know earpink is part of the chararts- it has to be there, and artists choice is a thing, yeah. but when multiple people have an issue with it, something has to be done. i dont even notice the earpink at first glance, and we're not saying it has to be super defined??? just enough that we can actually SEE the damn thing. frankly if youre just not gonna listen to what people are saying then why bother putting up an image at all? realism doesnt have to be followed either- it doesnt count for much. hell, even remove some of the shadow from the ear and see if it does anything for definition. HotTeacher69 (talk) 18:36, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, this is starting an unnecessary argument. From here on out, all comments are to refrain from mentioning the ear pink, attacking users, or even calling their comments not valid enough. If you're going to comment, make sure it has a valid reason for being commented. This is turning into a train wreck of comments causing anxiety and stress for everyone involved. I will start to decline images for those who continue to bring up the issue of ear pink.

however, comments are being ignored. The changes should be made if the majority rules. See prior images. Anyways, define the shading on the paws. 03:53, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:17, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Gorgeous. CBA? 06:57, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Houndstar (L) ~ For Approval
first leader! And the name stumps me. 07:31, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Could you make the texture like... more thicker? idk if that's the word. rn it looks kinda like a few lines running down his pelt. 09:10, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Err... I don't really understand what you mean. Second opinion? 09:41, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

The texture (as seen on the white) seems like drawn straight lines rather than actual fur-representing lines. Maybe draw more of the "lines" and smudge/blur them? 10:04, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think the texture kinda fades out on the lighter parts?? But yeah, I do agree with Burnt on this. Also, texture on the leaders isn't always the easiest thing on the planet.

Blur the brown against the white a little more, and add shading to the left haunch. ~Spottehwobble

I can't really tell what your light source is for this. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:53, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Is that better or do I need to redo the texture? 08:29, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Are you making your texture kinda "spot-like"?? Or like...small lines? Because that's not texture and just looks like tiny lines. I'm not sure who ever told you that was okay, because it's not...

Blur the earpink some more 12:57, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

tbh the texture is very light, and it would be almost the same image without it. i'm not telling you to remove it, i'm just saying that if you choose to do so, the image would still look fine. Smooth out the shading on the underbelly. 21:00 Wed Sep 2

Tone down the highlights a bit. 23:47, September 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I'll tone down the highlights in the next upload. 01:33, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Smudge the ear pink more? 02:16, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:46, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 01:57, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think the texture follows the flow of the fur, but mainly on the haunch. It appears to be going <-- to -->, when it should probably be going up and down.. it doesn't match the rest of the texture on the image.

I also zoomed in on the image, and that is not texture. The lines are thick and shouldn't be like that. I'm sorry, but they should be thinner lines, and examples are scattered throughout the wiki on the various images. If you're not sure how to make texture how others have done it, then ask. As your texture is now, it's much too thick and doesn't flow with the fur very well at all. I'm sorry if this is rude, but as I've had comments like this told to me before, I figure that this is what the approval page is for- improvement.

Reupload the texture is becoming too stressful for me so I'm dropping it for now. 04:13, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldnt there be shading on the left haunch? 10:14, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Don't think so. The light is coming from the left side, and if the haunch was completely visible that part still wouldn't have any shading. 21:36, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

It does look a bit odd totally unshaded though. Could you add just a tiny line of shading by the leg just so it doesn't look flat? 11:12 Tue Sep 8

I don't think it should be totally in light. o.o I believe it's kinda like the warrior images- unless your cat is sitting awkwardly or something like that, there should be some shadow. Not much, though.

Reupload I stared at it for a while and it does seem odd. Much better now. 21:45, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Cloudberry (TC) (Medicine) ~ For Approval
I tried. Estimate, please, I want to be useful. I made "fur" light and shade. I took a flattened muzzle at Yellowfang. ✨ShineStar✨ 09:52, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you need to reserve this on the reservation table on the main page first. Everything that gets posted here should be reserved first. Until then, I'll need to decline this image. Feel free to repost (after this has been archived and you've properly reserved the image). If you don't know how to do so, please ask, and one of us will be able to help you. =D

How to make it? ✨ShineStar✨ 10:54, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I make it! ✨ShineStar✨ 11:39, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading? Nice <3 01:55, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yes :) It is pleasant to you? It is possible to add? <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 08:13, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

I made shadows shorter. <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 08:17, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define the light on the legs a little bit? I'm glad to see you found out how to reserve the image. =)

Can you smooth out the shading a tad? Also, this file needs to be re-named Cloudberry (TC).mc.png 14:25, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

I completely changed a treatment of light and shade and I changed the name. <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 11:43, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading/highlights some. 16:00, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean and how to make it? <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 08:13, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

New version! I made (sorry, my english is bad =) ) texture of long fur. <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 16:32, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

blur the shading more please 16:34, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Since you had asked for like, an explanation: do you see how on the other images on here, the shading is super smooth (for lack a better word) and you can't really see the transition from base color to shading? It's just shading? Blur the shading so it's like that. Also: your English is perfectly fine, don't worry. 21:07, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

I washed away as much as possible. I tried in the Gimp. Also, i ise Translate. <font style="color: #99adff">✨ShineStar✨ 09:17, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading? It seems like it was just paint-brushed onto her in big grey blobs. If you want some help with this, you are always welcome to ask a member =) 10:03, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

The transition from pelt colour to shading's a bit abrupt, you should blur it some. Gaussian Blur helps a lot :3 Also, the shading on the legs should be a little more, uh, defined. :3 13:26, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Heronwing (TC) (W) ~ For Approval
Meh.

Define the stripes - I can barely see them 15:41, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading as well 17:59, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

stripes dont have to be super defined, as long as you can tell theyre there its fine. but define the earpink just a tad? Nubface (talk) 18:39, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm actually having trouble making the stripes out, so a little definition wouldn't hurt.

Re-uploaded ~ Defined all stuff. c:

Could you darken the tail shading a tiny bit? This is adorable, btw. ^.^

Re-uploaded ~ :3

Could you possibly lighten/raise the opacity of the earpink just a tad please? If you believe it's fine, then feel free to disregard me. I don't feel like going into a full blown argument over the shade if others disagree. 10:13, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

i think the earpink is fine tbh ^^ <span style="">20:43, 09/8/2015

Splinter (Ro) - CBA
I love black-and-white cats.

I watched this in action. Can you smudge the patch on his butt a little more? Like the one at the edge of his back but not the tail thingy. The butt patch. I am a child. 05:27, September 5, 2015 (UTC) Can you please define nose pink just a tad? It's looking too paleish white to me. --Dewsplash (talk) 05:29, September 5, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash 05:29, September, 5, 2015

Re-uploaded. Butt patch. Heh. Also, Dew, I actually had forgotten about the nose pink, so thanks for pointing that out.

i keep thinking of splinter from tmnt...but define the shading on the white. HotTeacher69 (talk) 07:18, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

CBA? 06:56, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light source on the head? (either that or it's my monitor)  What Do You Mean?

I think it's fine. 22:06, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Flashnose (Q) ~ For Approval
WHAT HAVE I DONEEEEEEEEE???????????? 10:24, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Pretty! Define the light source on the head? 00:30, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Nice job matching the pattern! This is really pretty. Do you want the file for colors/stripes? The stripe along the spine is broken into three (only two are visible on the warrior) and there's several different colors in the stripes, but it might be easiest for you to see for yourself. 00:36, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Could you lighten the shading a few ticks? I'm having trouble seeing the patterns under the shading. 04:08, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks~ and the file helped me match the warrior better. ^^ 10:17, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Define the belly shading just a tad, please. 10:10, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 11:39, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the tail shading just a bit. <span style="">15:32 Mon Sep 7

Re-uploaded GIMP's been frigging' irritating me on my mac so excuse any weird differences 11:08, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Rooktail (W) ~ For Approval
idk 22:02, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading a little? Nice job. 22:13, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten fur a little bit I can't see the linart

Reuploaded I was told that the color is fine, so I'd rather not. I did define the shading, though. 23:44, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a bit. I'm sorry, but now I'm seeing the blocky shading that should rot. If you're getting this, then maybe you should lighten the base.. or the shading. Your choice.

Beech (Ro) - For Approval
Pretty happy with this. Thoughts? Jayie Unwritten words~ 03:11, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

If you could, define the tail shading? 07:09, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Could you soften the shading on the shoulder and thigh, please? <span style="">21:57 Sun Sep 6

can you define the shading everywhere? i cant really see it. HotTeacher69 (talk) 21:14, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Red Claw (Ro) - For Approval
aka s'more 05:46, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

I think he should be a tad bit redder- auburn is reddish-brown, so maybe use a color around Pinestar's?

Re-uploaded 07:08, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

I think it should be much, much redder, and more saturated, not so gray. Auburn is a deep, rich red-brown color. Jayie Unwritten words~ 07:18, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 02:33, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

That's still way too gray. This is the kind of auburn color I'm talking about: http://www.herinterest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Auburn_hair_color_ideas_2014_04.jpg A very deep red-brown. Jayie Unwritten words~ 12:22, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Actually, auburn is simply reddish brown, or in other words, russet. it can be pale, dark or whatever shade. I made it redder. 13:32, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I'm gonna butt in here and say that auburn is usually a medium color to darker coloring of reddish-brown. Source: my sister who is a licensed cosmetologist and actually works with colors. Can you darken the pale parts or tweak them? Every time I see this, it keeps looking like you're not tweaking the base because all I can focus on is the pale parts and they kinda stand out a bit...

Re-uploaded. I tried, but honestly this is starting to look a little neon on my macbook... 10:01, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Willow Tail (R) ~ For Approval
Yo 01:13, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Darken the stripes a bit, and did you smudge these ones? They don't appear to be smudged on the kit.

i think theyre smudged minimally on the kit or something similar, but i think these stripes could be a bit darker to match better. HotTeacher69 (talk) 08:26, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reups 14:07, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading more. 17:50, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reups 18:59, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Stagleap (GC) (W) ~ For Approval
am I allowed to post this now (I believe there's no two week penalty or whatever for this right?) Redid it because my computer got taken away by my parents... This is a result of school computer's Photoshop (love the blur tool) and there's no way for me to match the old complicated pattern with the school's mouse and a program I'm not that familiar with. shrug

Nah, you're good. I just wanted you to see the importance of remembering the date. The only time the two week rule comes into play is for new images when they're declined for being up for a month.

where es tu old version >:o maybe blur/smudge the ear pink a bit, or dull it down? it looks a tad neon. 09:58, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Swallow (Ro) - For Approval
13:54, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

yoo this is hot. lighten the shading on the tail + ear closest to us a few ticks. <span style="">18:28 Mon Sep 7

Re-uploaded 21:38, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Daisytoe (W) ~ For Approval
Sorry Appledash, I totally butchered your amazing pattern, lol. -- 14:03, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the main body shading and define the shading on the legs. 14:07, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups I'll remove the waste next upload. 14:21, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the highlights/light parts on the chest and haunch. Cute! <span style="">15:29 Mon Sep 7

Re-ups Better? 16:49, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

No, this is awesome! Define the shading - and do you want the file? 17:26, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups No, thanks, I don't need the file. I completely re-did the shading, so it may need to be lightened/defined/blurred/whatever. Also, I'll get that waste next time. 00:18, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Can you lighten the shading on the white? She looks really gray. And please blur it some more. <span style="">1:32 Tue Sep 8

Re-ups 02:28, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

The shading is still making the white look too gray. If you hold your finger up to the highlights on the chest and haunch, you can see that the shaded part is almost the same color as the tail. <span style="">22:30 Tue Sep 8

Mistpelt (E) - For Approval
yay granny cat <span style="">16:37 Mon Sep 7

Omg that's so pretty! (my texture icks) :o Mind defining the tail shading?

This is amazing! Can you define the shading all together please? 10:00, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

reuploaded. thanks <3 <span style="">22:29 Tue Sep 8

Spotted Fur (Ro) - For Approval
I dun like this :p 20:18, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Nice job. Maybe make him a bit more golden, as, to me, he looks more light brown. 20:37, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think he gets a rogue image??

He has a site on his page. 02:29, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Spotted Fur was a former rogue, just like the cats from Slash's group, Wind Runner, Gorse Fur, ect. He will also get an Early Settler image.

Re-ups 20:28, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Silver Stripe (Ki) ~ for approval
What a cute little mew ^^ I thought she was adorable in PoS and just had to do her image <3 03:36, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

She is amazingly cute here :33 Maybe define earpink a little? XD And lighter shading would be great too~ But don't take my opinions too seriously, I'm shtill a kit :3 Autumnbright (talk) 09:31, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Autumn, everyone's options are equal in PCA- just because you are a kit doesn't mean your comments are regarded as useless. Your comments will (should) be taken as seriously as everyone else's. =) 09:56, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Burntclaw! :D Good to know. Alshoo, to clarify, I think shading should be a little lighter on her face and right shoulder. :3 Autumnbright (talk) 10:51, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Could you please add the blue eyes as Kate confirmed it on her blog? --Dewsplash (talk) 13:40, September 8, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash 13:40, September, 8, 2015

reup Thanks Autumn ^^ I changed the eye color and lightened the shading a few ticks. I apologize ahead of time if I get stubborn about lightening it again if requested... I am barely able to see it on my screen as of this last edit lol. And I just realized that you also requested I define the earpink. I'll get that on the next upload >.<; It's still a little early here and I've been studying for a good few hours   13:48, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

reup Brightened her earpink. When I turned off the shading layers I actually realized the color itself made it hard to see. Hopefully this helped ^^ 18:18, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Fallowsong (W) ~ For Approval
Uh, so here is Fallowsong. I'm a kit for PCA rn and wanted to contribute something so here :D

Kind-of mottled light brown; please tell me if I should remove the mottles.

Autumnbright (talk) 06:10, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

This needs to match the queen image. Also, this should say for evaluation. 06:43, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upload: I matched the queen image. Thanks for rectifying errors ^.^ By the way, I uploaded another image because the old one didn't have the right name. Autumnbright (talk) 07:04, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

This is really nice! Maybe blur the shading a bit? <span style="">07:08 Tue Sep 8

Re-upload: Blurred shading a tad; should I decrease opacity? Autumnbright (talk) 09:09, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think so. 09:38, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Please darken and blur it more, add some depth, too. This is nice :) 09:57, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upload: I added highlights and darkened shading. Tell me if it needs more blurrin', I had to redo shading so idk XD Thank you for all the encouragement so far, it means so much to me! Autumnbright (talk) 10:14, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, and possibly add more shading at the haunch? 10:32, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upload: I'm not very happy with the shading/highlights balance. T T Autumnbright (talk) 10:49, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

This looks awesome! Can you lighten the shading a tinyy bit on the midriff? 10:54, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

The ear pink seems to be over blurred. Define it? 11:27, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upload: I couldn't really do anything about the midriff shading, so any tips? I corrected earpink, its layer was deleted for some reason XD Autumnbright (talk) 11:41, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Another Re-upload: Actually, I think I figured out the lightenation (I coined a word hehe) thing for the midriff shading. Is that better? Autumnbright (talk) 11:53, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the tail shading, please? And since you know what you're doing here, I'll promote you into an apprentice. Now the heading can say "for approval". =) 12:15, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upload: Defined tail shading and edited overall highlights/shadey. I feel as if the tail looks dual-coloured now tho XD And thank youuu, Burntclaw :D Autumnbright (talk) 12:25, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-reupload: Blended tail shading a bit because it was bothering me XD Autumnbright (talk) 12:35, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Could you blur the highlight on the haunch and the shading next to it? 14:00, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload: I'm sorry if the blur isn't apparent - I'm afraid it might be too undefined if I blur it too much. 14:39, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Much better! Maybe lighten the shading a little on the neck and tail? 16:51, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and the light at the base of the tail. 20:55, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hailstar (D) - For Approval
alright...GIMP makes him look a lot more blurred than he actualy is, I'm going to fix that right now as we speak. 20:17, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading everywhere (Unless that's part of the blur thing you mentioned)  ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:19, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: 20:25, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

define shading even more; i can barely tell it's got any shading <span style="">20:39, 09/8/2015

Re-uploaded: 20:41, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and the earpink. 20:54, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

'Re-uploaded: 21:14, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Half Moon (Star) - For Approval
my beautiful child <span style="">20:22, 09/8/2015

...why does she get one of these? shes not in starclan. HotTeacher69 (talk) 20:27, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

jayce told me she got one (and reserved her for me, since i was on mobile / unable to access a comp, bless his soul) so ask him bc i honestly do not know?? <span style="">20:35, 09/8/2015

She's seen in StarClan at the end of PoS, therefore she gets one 22:07, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Raven Pelt (Ro) ~ For Approval
I have been waiting my whole life to use this image. <span style="">21:26 Tue Sep 8

If you can't see it, click here. <span style="">21:28 Tue Sep 8

Shouldn't the file be named File:Raven Pelt.rogue.png? As for the image, could you define the shading on the head and tail please? 21:30, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Slate (Q) ~ For Approval
I knew she would be Gray Wing's mate! All colors from the rogue. 22:19, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Black Ear (Ki) ~ For Approval
i wanna rock n roll all night (and party every day) HotTeacher69 (talk) 23:01, September 8, 2015 (UTC)