Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Adventure Game
I was just wondering if we should make an article(s) concerning the Warriors Adventure game. It seems to be catching on, soo... I haven't played it myself, but I have the copy of the instructions and map that came in TFA. (I'm pretty sure it would fall under Books since it's actual 'content' from the Warriors World and it comes in books.) So, what do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  12:13, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Adventure game is considered part of the Warriors Universe, and yeah, I think we should. :) Shistar Mai Talk Page 13:58, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ah ya yah... I know nothing about it I'm afraid. Can anyone explain it to a silly project leader who doesn't own TFA? please. ✐S aN  dY  23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

As I said, I haven't played it, but... I think it's a bit like one of those dialogue role-playing games, where one person is the narrator or whatever, and the other makes decisions to go through the storyline. There's a big list of instructions and situations to play at the back of TFA, and probably more will be in FE, and of course I'd look at it more closely to produce an article on it. I guess we could post basic info about it and summaries of the 'stories' or something on a page? insaneular   Talk  23:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Does anyone else have any objections? ✐S aN  dY  18:43, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I made the page for it, but the rules are awfully detailed and confusing... it's tough to reduce them to a quick summary for putting on the page... I'll try to do it, though. insaneular   Talk  19:28, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

The rules are detailed, that's why I don't play it. But I think that you did a good job on the article Insane. Is there anyway we could shortent the rules or make them easier to understand?-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 23:59, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking of just doing a brief description of how the skills work and how the game is actually played. To save people from reading the rulebook that HAS CHAPTERS.... XD  insaneular    Talk  00:01, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded the article, describing the basic concept of the game. Do you want me to add more, like presenting the scenarios? Helixtalk 09:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Helix, that would be great if you have time. Hopefully my books with come soon and I'll be able to help. ✐Sa NdY  15:45, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can help with that as well, if I can spare any time. Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  19:51, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Uhh... actually I can do only the first one, as I don't have the OTS books (and don't plan to get them). So I will do the one with the kits in the coming days. Maybe I'll do it on a separate page if it turns out too long. Helixtalk 18:40, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I made the description for Saving the Kits (it turned out long, so I made a separate article for it). Helixtalk 17:53, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah,thanks,Helix/Waitingforspring. We really need more useless articles. Zoe27 18:18, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Zoe, stop it. It was a decision made by the project on behalf of the WWiki community and is by no means useless. Helix, thank you, I like the layout you used and hope to make a start on the Fever Dreams scenario from TFA... when I finish looking up University stuff *fun* ✐Sa  NdY  18:23, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sooorrryyy! But it is part of the adventure game. Zoe27 12:10, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is, but you dealth with your concerns in the wrong way. The single adventure articles are too big to be merged with the Warriors Adventure Game outline. ✐Sa NdY  14:27, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, so here's a little list of the things that are left to do here:


 * Fever Dreams needs completing
 * The Plaintive Howls needs starting... completing

That's actually it I think... surprisingly. Saving the Kits has a nice flowchart that I'm assuming you made, Helix. Is there anyone who has the OTS books and can make a flowchart in the same style for each of the two other scenarios? I would... but I'm banished from WWiki... I'm probably going to get into trouble with a certain well-loved admin for even writing this. So, yeah.

The well-loved admin doesn't mind, as long as Sandy gets her homework done. :P I created The Plaintive Howls, and tomorrow or over the weekend I'll start adding information to it. I can see about making the flowchart, but I'll have to figure out how to do it first. Shouldn't take long, though. -- Bram ble  03:14, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a little update on how this is going: I've done the Fever Dreams sections and have given Helix the order of linkage as he has refused to let me attempt the flowchart. XD He's away until later next week however, but that is in the works. So mainly just the Plaintive Howls left to do. -- Sandy star 14:34, May 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I finally finished the flow chart. Please treasure it, it was the hardest work I ever did for the wiki. :) Helixtalk 10:51, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome job, Helix. I'll try and work on The Deluge soon and get in some of the info on it. Sandy; sorry about my inactiveness in this Project. I'm really not setting a good example. Now I'm going to make it ordinary practice to edit here at least five times a day. =) --Bram ble 15:13, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

The progress sections of The Plaintive Howls and The Deluge have been completed. All they need now are flowcharts; I'll be working on The Deluge's. Also, for some reason when I attempt to align the TOC to the right in the Plaintive Howls, it forces all the text below it. Am I doing it incorrectly? --Bram ble 19:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem was that you put the TOC before the non-canon template (which doesn't wrap so it is moved down and pushes everything down). I fixed it by putting the TOC below the template. Kind regards, Helixtalk 19:30, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, all the information is in place (thank you to all who helped go through this complicated game) and I know Bramble is working on a flowchart XD I'd tackle the other if I were allowed -.- Anyway, are there any objections to me archiving this now? -- Sandy star 22:33, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Plays/Short Stories
Okay, so about the Plays and Short stories, I was thinking that we could give them a bit more coverage... as in, giving them cliffnotes and such like a normal book? I was also considering having a template like Book for short stories and plays. What do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  21:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that'd be cool. ^_^

But if we did make a template, what would be put for an image? Something like the Noimage, perhaps? Or perhaps we could just make a template without an image. x3  Shistar Mai Talk Page 21:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

yeah, either one of those would work. If Sandy's okay with this, I'll go ahead and draft a template :)  insaneular    Talk  21:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me. The only problem I foresee is getting hold of them... I don't know where to find them online anymore and I know they have been taken down from any sites, especially the election story... If anyone has any good links it would be good to have them so we can all get this underway. ✐S aN  dY  23:00, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed the election story problem, so I uploaded my copy for people's download, the link is on the page. (If any copyright issues arise I'll remove it). After Sunset and Brightspirit's mercy are definitely still up... although for Spottedleaf's Honest answer, i don't know where to find it. If anyone else could tell me it would be much appreciated ^^ So aside from that, think this would be good? insaneular   Talk  23:02, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

 Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spottedleaf's Honest Answer- here
 * Both Brightspirit's Mercy and AS can be found on the Warriors Website.
 * The Clans Decide - here

Yep, sounds good. Thanks Insane. ✐S aN  dY  23:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

And thank you Shigura. ✐S aN  dY  23:09, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. ^_^  Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, here's my draft of a template : Story. Anything I should change? And also, are we going to do cliffnotes pages? (sorry for the barrage of questions)  insaneular    Talk  23:29, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! And yeah, I think we should.  Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:39, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed a bit of coding; nice job. Looks good to me, and yes of course =) ✐S  aN  dY  17:36, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I created the Cliffnotes The Clans Decide page... did I do it right? (Also, we have 1000 articles!! =D)  Shistar Mai Talk Page 20:58, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Looks right to me. And woohoo! insaneular   Talk  20:59, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't you remove the image section from the story template? 'Cause short stories have no pictures. Җ Ѭ ѳ ѥ  ѯ 04:41, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking we could put in something related to it to spruce up the page... like for The Clans Decide I put the promotional picture, for Brightspirit's mercy we could do a pic of Emmy Cherry or something... although if that seems too odd we can remove it. insaneular   Talk  12:07, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally I like the image, if there was something we could find for each play/story that is relevant and meaningful. The pic on The Clans Decide page is good, but what would the others have? I think a picture of Emmy Cherry would be appropriate as she was the muse for 'Brightspirit's Mercy', but what of the others? Any ideas? ✐S  aN  dY  14:30, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, as a last resort we could just use Spottedleaf's PCA pic for Spottedleaf's Honest answer and a pic of Leafpool for After Sunset. Although, we might be able to find other images slightly more related to them, I'm not sure...  insaneular    Talk  15:23, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I guess that would work. :)  Reese Cups 85 Calories of pure Awesome 16:07, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay =)

Brightspirit's Mercy Spottedleaf's Honest Answer The Clans Decide After Sunset: We Need to Talk

Just wanted to put the links up, sorry. ✐S aN  dY  09:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

For the Brightspirit's Mercy pic we could find someone (Nightfall) to make a small collage of Emma Cherry and Brightspirit's charart. (I remember the Feb. 2008 tornadoes. Scariest night of my life) Møųş  ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  14:17, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I found this on DevianArt.com, we could maybe do something similar to that, if anybody has Photoshop or something. Click here! Møųş  ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  14:19, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Without the corny text? Please ^_^ Sounds like an idea though. ✐Sa NdY  17:13, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. If I told somebody they walked in my dreams, they would think me an obsessed freak. Or worse, they would say the same thing! ACK! 17:50, April 5, 2010 (UTC) Mo us et al on !   Hopelessly devoted to CHOCOLATE!

I could help qwith that. I have Photoshop, all my dad needs to do is install it. → •Maple  fern•  ←  10:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay people, get ready for laughing ;) I was procrastinating, as usual, and thought I'd have a little go... EmmyCherry.jpg . I know, awful isn't it? Is that the kind of thing we're going for though? And do we think it would maybe look more professional in greyscale? Or maybe that's just me... ✐Sa  NdY  18:37, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy that is amazing =D  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 19:15, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy, it's beautiful! The little girl would be delighted right now!-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 16:42, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it was just a rough draft/idea but thank you anyway. Things left to do (I like lists, so shoot me):


 * Spottedleaf's Honest Answer needs some kind of image sorted out
 * Brightspirit's Mercy also needs an image
 * Same goes for After Sunset: We Need to Talk


 * Cliffnotes Spottedleaf's Honest Answer need completing

✐Sa NdY  17:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was going to make one for After Sunset: We Need To Talk. I have an idea in mind, but how do I make them?-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 01:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I made one for Spottedleaf's Honest Answer. Whataya think? File:6398384314210cem3.jpg  Mo    us    et    al    on    !!   21:34, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

It looks nice, Mouse. I can't speak for Sandy, but it could probably be used with a few modifications; making the Firestar image a little less pixelated, for example. Scratch that, I meant to say get rid of the white specks around Spottedleaf. -- Bram ble  03:16, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah! Not my best work. Stupid Pixlr hates me. Gimme a sec.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  13:35, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was playing around with the idea one I made and wondered whether these would look better in greyscale and what everyone thought of this? -- Sandy star 20:53, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * OR. Bramble and I were talking and we suggested maybe just using charart pics to keep it simple and less... fansite-ish. -- Sandy star 17:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Night makes collages with chararts. Like, for Spottedleaf's honest answer we could do Spottedleaf and Firestar.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  20:44, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, well I put in Brightspirit for BM and Spottedleaf for SHA. I was thinking LeafxCrow for AS though, so by Night, you mean Nightfall? -- Sandy star 11:41, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I can ask Nightfall if she'd be willing to make a Leafpool/Crowfeather image, possibly with their noses touching as if they were still in love. Or they could be facing away from each other, signifying that they're breaking up. Either or, I'm sure it'd be applicable to the play. --Bram ble 20:40, June 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds good =) Perhaps touching noses? I think them looking away will look disjointed somewhat. Any other opinions? -- Sandy star 17:56, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as we all seemed to be agreed, I made the pairing image: File:AfterSunset.png. It's just the approved warrior images of Crowfeather and Leafpool touching noses. Does anything need to be edited on it? --Bram <span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#000562; ">ble 18:39, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Battles of the Clans Browse Inside
I decided to put this up on PB instead of Characters, since this is a field guide. Anyway, the browse inside is up and located here. As a side note, the new deputy of ShadowClan and RiverClan is listed. I won't say who they are for spoiler reasons, but it's there. Battles of the Clans is set to be released on the first of June, if that means anything to anyone. Skyfeather 17:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Sky =) It's good to have the preview though I'm not sure there is much we can actually add until the book is released as too much falls under the spoilers issue and there are no allegiances so I think most things will have to wait until June 1st here. I had a look through and it's quite interesting; from what I can see, PW will have some work to do this time where as PC should get off lightly, at least from what I've seen - that should be some relief for them ^_^ We shouldn't have too much to do here, just the cliffnotes, which will end up being something similar to those for Secrets of the Clans I suspect, and of course the main book page. hmm... You can tell I am escaping working right now as I have fried my brain this evening... I'm rambling. Anyway, thanks Sky, and for anyone who doesn't mind reading before the release date I would reccommend reading that =) ✐Sa  NdY  22:25, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, this is out today, so I guess we need anyone who has bought/read the book to think about adding the summary and cliffnotes to the relevant pages. (Battles of the Clans and Cliffnotes Battles of the Clans) -- Sandy star 09:32, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I put in the plot summary of on the Battles of the Clans page, making it similar to the other field guides. I'll try and work on the cliffnotes soon. --<span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#3861DE; ">Bram <span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#000562; ">ble 19:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Chronology
I had a little thought a moment ago about the Field Guide and Super Edition series in relation to the 'followed by' and 'preceded by' sections... could we not use these to show the publishing order (kind of... as in for that series alone)? Ie. Bluestar's Prophecy would be preceded by Firestar's Quest... or would that be a little confusing? It's just, we put which volume in the 'Super Edition series' or 'Field Guide series' they are on their book page (um... Battles of the Clans is an example with it being the '4th volume') so should this not extend to the chronology section? ✐Sa NdY  22:32, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Definitely not, as what counts is what happens before / after the events described in the book.

However, you raised a valid point: we lack a listing of the books in release order. So... how about a page listing all books where users can sort them how they wish? For instance...


 * (click on the arrows next to the headers to sort - default sort is alphabetic)

Kind regards, Helixtalk 19:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is quite what you were getting at, Sandy, but in the Warriors Book it lists the order of each series, even the field guides and super editions, so people would know what order those were. I do think it would be useful to have a list of releases in real-world chronology so people could see things such as Firestar's Quest coming out later than it is actually placed in the series' time.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:53, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I'm not quite sure what I was getting at after reading that through... it was kinda late when I was writing this. I think you're right Insane to say that the Warriors Book template does just about cover it... As for the release dates, I agree with you both that it would be a good thing to have them listed in order of release, but how exactly do we want to do that? Do we want a separate page or do we want some kind of template to add to all the book pages? ✐Sa  NdY  11:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Helix has that part of the table that can switch them to be ordered different ways, would it be possible (forgive me if it wouldn't; I'm not that great with templates) to have an option to turn the Warriors Book template to show them in order of release date instead of by series, or would we need to make a new table/template? If it wouldn't be possible to add it onto that template I personally think our next best bet is the Front Page, since we have a book list there anyway, we could pair up the release listing with it  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 11:31, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Templates are not "interactive" if you mean that. A user cannot press a button on it to have another sorting (like on the table). What we can do is to add another section to the template, e.g. "Previously Released / Next Released". Helixtalk 11:45, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry -facepalm- I really don't know much about tables and templates. But that's a good idea too, we could add that order below in a nested collapsible table.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 11:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I'd say it's no harm to have a separate article like "Warriors Books", including a table like that above. ;) So people would have an overview of the series instead of info scattered in many separate locations. Helixtalk 11:49, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that could hold some of the more general information about the series rather than specific books, and also serve as a sort of hub for this list :) And to link to it, we could just link the title in the Warriors Book template so each book page would be able to get to it.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 11:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okiedokie. I don't know enough about templates etc. either so don't worry Insane ;) This sounds good to me anyway. ✐Sa  NdY  12:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK I made the table, check here. Copy the source in the "hub" page. Also, tell me if you want anything modified (or go ahead and modify it). Helixtalk 16:08, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that is amazing! It looks perfect for the type of page we're planning. Thanks for making it :) Should one of us go ahead and create the article, then?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 16:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll leave the article for you; currently I don't have any idea for it. Helixtalk 16:24, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Insane has made a great start on this and we just need to fill in the remaining short summaries for the books. Just a simple summary without giving away the ending of the book or any big plot details. A couple of sentences for each should do it. -- Sandy star 15:40, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Dates on book timeline....
One same release appears on two different days for the Into the Wild paperback. In 2003, there's March 27. In 2004, there's January 9. Can we fix this? -- Quailflight 10:56, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, if you go here there is a browse inside first edition paperback. It says copyright Avon first edition 2004, so I think we can assume the paperback was a 2004 release. The hardback must have been 2003 as that is when the original copyright for the story itself is for, also seen on that page. -- Sandy star 10:00, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

On this topic, there has to be a better way of laying out that timeline than having a half-empty and unprofessional looking page for each year... perhaps one page for the whole timeline? similar to the Events Timeline? What do people think on this? -- Sandy star 10:04, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * We should first decide what should we add to the timelines. We can add other things than books - it has a great potential. For instance, meetings with authors, fan meetings, milestones in the Warriors phenomenon (e.g. first RP group created, first fanfic published, major websites started up) etc. We can also list releases of foreign translations. If we have enough material, we can keep separate pages for years. Helixtalk 10:45, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of that we merge all the years together or something. Just turn the timelines into one big article. Skip months, and Instead of Leaving every space blank, We go something like this:
 * Year (In 2nd heading).


 * Month Day: What happened. Quailflight  19:01, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say it would cut down on article size. Quailflight  19:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to say it would cut down on article size. Quailflight  19:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can I get some feedback on my proposal? Thanks :) Helixtalk 17:27, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, sorry, I ignore this page too much. I think that's a good idea, Helix, it would really allow the site more depth in terms of the other aspects of the fandom, which were originally intended to have documentation here as well but it got lost in the shuffle as the leadership kept switching I think. We could easily add events such as Erin Hunter tour dates, and the stuff you mentioned like the first RP site would be pretty cool if we could find that info somewhere :) insane  brick'd 23:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment! Other things we might add: when did a book surpass a certain number of sales, when did a book get on the top (or at a certain position) of a bestseller list etc. Helixtalk 11:56, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Those all sound like worthy additions to the page/s to me. The question now is how do we want to lay out the page/s? Should it be one page for all years? or one page per year? And how do we want this laid out? Is it best how it is now, or would a more professional style work better, such as some kind of table or template? -- Sandy star 16:24, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

For now, let's keep one page by year; I think there are many items to add (if we added everything we could think of and they still look empty, we can contract them then). About the layout, it is an "one-dimensional" list of items, so a table is not really needed, although I would like to hear your ideas on the table layout. Helixtalk 19:36, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes
I had a idea. For Cliffnotes could we have a Template, with the Chapters in? Like some users have on their user page. Just a idea :) Shruggy talk 10:12, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * We could, but I don't see how it would help us - it would require even more work than now to create a Cliffnotes page. Templates are for simplifying our job, not for complicating it. But let's wait for others' opinions too. :) Helixtalk 12:03, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Could you elaborate some more? I might like the idea if I could see more of what you're proposing. --<span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#3861DE; ">Bram <span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#000562; ">ble 19:24, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * well. I was thinking, when you get 20+ Chapters, the page gets quite long. so if you had the Template it wouldn't be so long and you could just look at the Chapters that you want. As Helix said, this would complicat the editing a bit, but I think it'd make it more "user friendy" :) tbh I didn't really think about it alot before puting it on here. Maybe it could be something you do once the page is done(as then hopefuly it won't need to be edited, I don't really know how these things work). wow, that must be the longest bit of text I've ever done on a talk page xD Shruggy talk 19:45, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * As I already pointed out on the IRC, this would result in a lot of extra and unnecessary work. Users already have the TOC to get directly to the chapters they want. This would be redundant and a lot of coding to work through on the page. So, it's an interesting idea, but probably not one we'll use. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#3861DE; ">Bram <span style="font-family:Segoe_Script;color:#000562; ">ble 20:19, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK :) Shruggy talk 20:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Join Request
OK, I honestly feel stupid and awkward after leaving/longest break ever from here, but I miss this place. I heaard this Project was back up and I was wondering if I could join? I apologize if I'm doing it wrong. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:24, June 9, 2010 (UTC)