Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Adventure Game
I was just wondering if we should make an article(s) concerning the Warriors Adventure game. It seems to be catching on, soo... I haven't played it myself, but I have the copy of the instructions and map that came in TFA. (I'm pretty sure it would fall under Books since it's actual 'content' from the Warriors World and it comes in books.) So, what do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  12:13, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the Adventure game is considered part of the Warriors Universe, and yeah, I think we should. :) Shistar Mai Talk Page 13:58, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ah ya yah... I know nothing about it I'm afraid. Can anyone explain it to a silly project leader who doesn't own TFA? please. ✐S aN  dY  23:04, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

As I said, I haven't played it, but... I think it's a bit like one of those dialogue role-playing games, where one person is the narrator or whatever, and the other makes decisions to go through the storyline. There's a big list of instructions and situations to play at the back of TFA, and probably more will be in FE, and of course I'd look at it more closely to produce an article on it. I guess we could post basic info about it and summaries of the 'stories' or something on a page? insaneular   Talk  23:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Does anyone else have any objections? ✐S aN  dY  18:43, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I made the page for it, but the rules are awfully detailed and confusing... it's tough to reduce them to a quick summary for putting on the page... I'll try to do it, though. insaneular   Talk  19:28, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

The rules are detailed, that's why I don't play it. But I think that you did a good job on the article Insane. Is there anyway we could shortent the rules or make them easier to understand?-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 23:59, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking of just doing a brief description of how the skills work and how the game is actually played. To save people from reading the rulebook that HAS CHAPTERS.... XD  insaneular    Talk  00:01, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded the article, describing the basic concept of the game. Do you want me to add more, like presenting the scenarios? Helixtalk 09:20, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Helix, that would be great if you have time. Hopefully my books with come soon and I'll be able to help. ✐Sa NdY  15:45, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I can help with that as well, if I can spare any time. Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  19:51, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Uhh... actually I can do only the first one, as I don't have the OTS books (and don't plan to get them). So I will do the one with the kits in the coming days. Maybe I'll do it on a separate page if it turns out too long. Helixtalk 18:40, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I made the description for Saving the Kits (it turned out long, so I made a separate article for it). Helixtalk 17:53, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah,thanks,Helix/Waitingforspring. We really need more useless articles. Zoe27 18:18, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Zoe, stop it. It was a decision made by the project on behalf of the WWiki community and is by no means useless. Helix, thank you, I like the layout you used and hope to make a start on the Fever Dreams scenario from TFA... when I finish looking up University stuff *fun* ✐Sa  NdY  18:23, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sooorrryyy! But it is part of the adventure game. Zoe27 12:10, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is, but you dealth with your concerns in the wrong way. The single adventure articles are too big to be merged with the Warriors Adventure Game outline. ✐Sa NdY  14:27, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, so here's a little list of the things that are left to do here:


 * Fever Dreams needs completing
 * The Plaintive Howls needs starting... completing

That's actually it I think... surprisingly. Saving the Kits has a nice flowchart that I'm assuming you made, Helix. Is there anyone who has the OTS books and can make a flowchart in the same style for each of the two other scenarios? I would... but I'm banished from WWiki... I'm probably going to get into trouble with a certain well-loved admin for even writing this. So, yeah.

The well-loved admin doesn't mind, as long as Sandy gets her homework done. :P I created The Plaintive Howls, and tomorrow or over the weekend I'll start adding information to it. I can see about making the flowchart, but I'll have to figure out how to do it first. Shouldn't take long, though. -- Bram ble  03:14, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just a little update on how this is going: I've done the Fever Dreams sections and have given Helix the order of linkage as he has refused to let me attempt the flowchart. XD He's away until later next week however, but that is in the works. So mainly just the Plaintive Howls left to do. -- Sandy star 14:34, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Plays/Short Stories
Okay, so about the Plays and Short stories, I was thinking that we could give them a bit more coverage... as in, giving them cliffnotes and such like a normal book? I was also considering having a template like Book for short stories and plays. What do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  21:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, that'd be cool. ^_^

But if we did make a template, what would be put for an image? Something like the Noimage, perhaps? Or perhaps we could just make a template without an image. x3  Shistar Mai Talk Page 21:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

yeah, either one of those would work. If Sandy's okay with this, I'll go ahead and draft a template :)  insaneular    Talk  21:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me. The only problem I foresee is getting hold of them... I don't know where to find them online anymore and I know they have been taken down from any sites, especially the election story... If anyone has any good links it would be good to have them so we can all get this underway. ✐S aN  dY  23:00, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed the election story problem, so I uploaded my copy for people's download, the link is on the page. (If any copyright issues arise I'll remove it). After Sunset and Brightspirit's mercy are definitely still up... although for Spottedleaf's Honest answer, i don't know where to find it. If anyone else could tell me it would be much appreciated ^^ So aside from that, think this would be good? insaneular   Talk  23:02, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

 Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Spottedleaf's Honest Answer- here
 * Both Brightspirit's Mercy and AS can be found on the Warriors Website.
 * The Clans Decide - here

Yep, sounds good. Thanks Insane. ✐S aN  dY  23:07, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

And thank you Shigura. ✐S aN  dY  23:09, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. ^_^  Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:10, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, here's my draft of a template : Story. Anything I should change? And also, are we going to do cliffnotes pages? (sorry for the barrage of questions)  insaneular    Talk  23:29, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good! And yeah, I think we should.  Shistar Mai Talk Page 23:39, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed a bit of coding; nice job. Looks good to me, and yes of course =) ✐S  aN  dY  17:36, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I created the Cliffnotes The Clans Decide page... did I do it right? (Also, we have 1000 articles!! =D)  Shistar Mai Talk Page 20:58, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Looks right to me. And woohoo! insaneular   Talk  20:59, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't you remove the image section from the story template? 'Cause short stories have no pictures. Җ Ѭ ѳ ѥ  ѯ 04:41, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I was thinking we could put in something related to it to spruce up the page... like for The Clans Decide I put the promotional picture, for Brightspirit's mercy we could do a pic of Emmy Cherry or something... although if that seems too odd we can remove it. insaneular   Talk  12:07, March 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally I like the image, if there was something we could find for each play/story that is relevant and meaningful. The pic on The Clans Decide page is good, but what would the others have? I think a picture of Emmy Cherry would be appropriate as she was the muse for 'Brightspirit's Mercy', but what of the others? Any ideas? ✐S  aN  dY  14:30, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, as a last resort we could just use Spottedleaf's PCA pic for Spottedleaf's Honest answer and a pic of Leafpool for After Sunset. Although, we might be able to find other images slightly more related to them, I'm not sure...  insaneular    Talk  15:23, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I guess that would work. :)  Reese Cups 85 Calories of pure Awesome 16:07, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay =)

Brightspirit's Mercy Spottedleaf's Honest Answer The Clans Decide After Sunset: We Need to Talk

Just wanted to put the links up, sorry. ✐S aN  dY  09:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

For the Brightspirit's Mercy pic we could find someone (Nightfall) to make a small collage of Emma Cherry and Brightspirit's charart. (I remember the Feb. 2008 tornadoes. Scariest night of my life) Møųş  ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  14:17, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I found this on DevianArt.com, we could maybe do something similar to that, if anybody has Photoshop or something. Click here! Møųş  ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  14:19, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Without the corny text? Please ^_^ Sounds like an idea though. ✐Sa NdY  17:13, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. If I told somebody they walked in my dreams, they would think me an obsessed freak. Or worse, they would say the same thing! ACK! 17:50, April 5, 2010 (UTC) Mo us et al on !   Hopelessly devoted to CHOCOLATE!

I could help qwith that. I have Photoshop, all my dad needs to do is install it. → •Maple  fern•  ←  10:47, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay people, get ready for laughing ;) I was procrastinating, as usual, and thought I'd have a little go... EmmyCherry.jpg. I know, awful isn't it? Is that the kind of thing we're going for though? And do we think it would maybe look more professional in greyscale? Or maybe that's just me... ✐Sa  NdY  18:37, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy that is amazing =D  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 19:15, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sandy, it's beautiful! The little girl would be delighted right now!-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 16:42, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it was just a rough draft/idea but thank you anyway. Things left to do (I like lists, so shoot me):


 * Spottedleaf's Honest Answer needs some kind of image sorted out
 * Brightspirit's Mercy also needs an image
 * Same goes for After Sunset: We Need to Talk


 * Cliffnotes Spottedleaf's Honest Answer need completing

✐Sa NdY  17:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

I was going to make one for After Sunset: We Need To Talk. I have an idea in mind, but how do I make them?-- Ea rt hsto rm   Keep  the   Earth   clean! 01:01, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I made one for Spottedleaf's Honest Answer. Whataya think? File:6398384314210cem3.jpg  Mo    us    et    al    on    !!   21:34, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

It looks nice, Mouse. I can't speak for Sandy, but it could probably be used with a few modifications; making the Firestar image a little less pixelated, for example. Scratch that, I meant to say get rid of the white specks around Spottedleaf. -- Bram ble  03:16, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah! Not my best work. Stupid Pixlr hates me. Gimme a sec.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  13:35, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was playing around with the idea one I made and wondered whether these would look better in greyscale and what everyone thought of this? -- Sandy star 20:53, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Battles of the Clans Browse Inside
I decided to put this up on PB instead of Characters, since this is a field guide. Anyway, the browse inside is up and located here. As a side note, the new deputy of ShadowClan and RiverClan is listed. I won't say who they are for spoiler reasons, but it's there. Battles of the Clans is set to be released on the first of June, if that means anything to anyone. Skyfeather 17:57, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you Sky =) It's good to have the preview though I'm not sure there is much we can actually add until the book is released as too much falls under the spoilers issue and there are no allegiances so I think most things will have to wait until June 1st here. I had a look through and it's quite interesting; from what I can see, PW will have some work to do this time where as PC should get off lightly, at least from what I've seen - that should be some relief for them ^_^ We shouldn't have too much to do here, just the cliffnotes, which will end up being something similar to those for Secrets of the Clans I suspect, and of course the main book page. hmm... You can tell I am escaping working right now as I have fried my brain this evening... I'm rambling. Anyway, thanks Sky, and for anyone who doesn't mind reading before the release date I would reccommend reading that =) ✐Sa  NdY  22:25, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Chronology
I had a little thought a moment ago about the Field Guide and Super Edition series in relation to the 'followed by' and 'preceded by' sections... could we not use these to show the publishing order (kind of... as in for that series alone)? Ie. Bluestar's Prophecy would be preceded by Firestar's Quest... or would that be a little confusing? It's just, we put which volume in the 'Super Edition series' or 'Field Guide series' they are on their book page (um... Battles of the Clans is an example with it being the '4th volume') so should this not extend to the chronology section? ✐Sa NdY  22:32, May 5, 2010 (UTC) Definitely not, as what counts is what happens before / after the events described in the book.

However, you raised a valid point: we lack a listing of the books in release order. So... how about a page listing all books where users can sort them how they wish? For instance...


 * (click on the arrows next to the headers to sort - default sort is alphabetic)

Kind regards, Helixtalk 19:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is quite what you were getting at, Sandy, but in the Warriors Book it lists the order of each series, even the field guides and super editions, so people would know what order those were. I do think it would be useful to have a list of releases in real-world chronology so people could see things such as Firestar's Quest coming out later than it is actually placed in the series' time.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 22:53, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm... I'm not quite sure what I was getting at after reading that through... it was kinda late when I was writing this. I think you're right Insane to say that the Warriors Book template does just about cover it... As for the release dates, I agree with you both that it would be a good thing to have them listed in order of release, but how exactly do we want to do that? Do we want a separate page or do we want some kind of template to add to all the book pages? ✐Sa  NdY  11:06, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Helix has that part of the table that can switch them to be ordered different ways, would it be possible (forgive me if it wouldn't; I'm not that great with templates) to have an option to turn the Warriors Book template to show them in order of release date instead of by series, or would we need to make a new table/template? If it wouldn't be possible to add it onto that template I personally think our next best bet is the Front Page, since we have a book list there anyway, we could pair up the release listing with it  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 11:31, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Templates are not "interactive" if you mean that. A user cannot press a button on it to have another sorting (like on the table). What we can do is to add another section to the template, e.g. "Previously Released / Next Released". Helixtalk 11:45, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry -facepalm- I really don't know much about tables and templates. But that's a good idea too, we could add that order below in a nested collapsible table.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 11:47, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, I'd say it's no harm to have a separate article like "Warriors Books", including a table like that above. ;) So people would have an overview of the series instead of info scattered in many separate locations. Helixtalk 11:49, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that could hold some of the more general information about the series rather than specific books, and also serve as a sort of hub for this list :) And to link to it, we could just link the title in the Warriors Book template so each book page would be able to get to it.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 11:52, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okiedokie. I don't know enough about templates etc. either so don't worry Insane ;) This sounds good to me anyway. ✐Sa  NdY  12:27, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK I made the table, check here. Copy the source in the "hub" page. Also, tell me if you want anything modified (or go ahead and modify it). Helixtalk 16:08, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that is amazing! It looks perfect for the type of page we're planning. Thanks for making it :) Should one of us go ahead and create the article, then?  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 16:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'll leave the article for you; currently I don't have any idea for it. Helixtalk 16:24, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Insane has made a great start on this and we just need to fill in the remaining short summaries for the books. Just a simple summary without giving away the ending of the book or any big plot details. A couple of sentences for each should do it. -- Sandy star 15:40, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes After Sunset: We Need to Talk - Silver Nomination
These have been completed thanks to an i.p. user and Bramble =) They look good to me and I can't see anything to add to them so perhaps they're ready for silver? -- Sandy star 15:34, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

They look great, and well detailed. I don't see any issues. insane brick'd 14:39, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

The Clans Decide - Silver Nomination
We decided back along that a main book article could be graded silver or higher once all its sub-pages are at the same level. I think the main story page is complete and so are the cliffnotes so the whole lot is ready for silver in my opinion. -- Sandy star 12:12, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good....I don't know what to add. Quailflight 12:38, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me too. insane brick'd 14:39, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

UK/US page numbers
Are the two the same? I have the UK editions, and would like to add some references, but I don't know if the page numbers are the same as in the US books. For comparison, my UK Into the Wild has 304 pages. Chapter 1 is on page 20, chapter 10 is on page 139, and chapter 20 is on page 246. Helixtalk 14:41, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, unfortunately the page numbers are not the same, a problem I have had when adding citations as I too own the UK versions of the first three. What I normally do it find the right page for the things I want to add and then find the browse inside for that book, US version and type a small bit of text into the search bar to get the corresponding US page number... I'm not sure it matters though really, Insane? -- Sandy star 14:50, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I feel dumb now. Why didn't I think of that? :'( Helixtalk 17:21, May 26, 2010 (UTC)