Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Time limit on Tweak Nominations
I've noticed how some tweak/redo nominations will stay up for a week (or more) without getting their three yay or nay votes. That's really not fair to the nominator having to wait that long for their nomination to be approved - especially when it's missing like one vote. I think that maybe after a certain time period, say 3 days, whichever vote at the time has a majority should be the automatic decision. So it would go on the list if the majority were yay votes. And if they're tied I guess it could just default either way, so long as all tied nominations would default the same way. It'll just keep those nominations from sitting there and the nominator from having to wait so long to know whether they can work on it or not. Breeze whisker  04:54, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think this might work. It would stop nominations from sitting there. 06:37, 17, 05, 2012

I agree with this...but the only question is for those that tie. I'd say look at the comments, if any, and that could determine if, but, for now, I think that they should just be approved and be done with it, or, if they really want the image to be redone, they can re-nominate it.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 09:23, 06, 06, 2012

I believe that is fair enough. For if they tie, I say we just wait 24 more hours, then archive it/decline it. 20:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should just decline the nomination when it's defalt, and they could just renominate it necessary. 06:01, 12, 06, 2012

I agree with the declining it automatically, but how long should the wait be before the votes are tallied? Breeze whisker  15:20, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking two or three days, but it could be more or less. Breeze whisker  15:21, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think 3 days/72hrs is good enough as a time. 05:51, 15, 06, 2012

Alright, that doesn't seem too long, so I agree. 19:03, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 17:09, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is everyone happy with 3 days? 00:54, 24, 06, 2012

I am, but should we put up a vote just in case for the other project members? {\ 14:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose a vote could work. x3 03:26, 30, 06, 2012

We Have an Issue
So, as some people have seen in the approved tweak nomination archive, the page has exceeded the template limit. What this means is: the page has too many s, s, s and signature templates, and thus the templates are showing up as redlinks. So we need another way to archive tweak nominations without using one page. We could just use more than one page, but should it be a forum or just a regular page? Since the archive isn't really being discussed on, it probably shouldn't be a forum, but that's just my opinion. 23:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but it takes my computer about a year to load that page simply because there's so much on it. 23:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I say to use a subpage when we started this whole ordeal? I think we should just move the entire thing to a subpage for PCA and be done with it.

I'm no coding expert (never have been, never will be), but maybe instead of using the yay and nay templates, just go:


 * Yes/No. Reason why or why note if needed/wanted. ~.

I'd rather not use a second/multiple pages because of the space it could build up to. Or we could just keep a record of who/which chararts were redone, how many times, for what reasons with dates. I dunno, Scarlet's having a slow day 23:09, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Scarlet on the yes/no rather than the vote yay and nay templates. That way, the number of templates on the page will go down. 01:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

But there's still the issue of long loading times. The PCA images page (a page with every single approved image) was deleted because of this problem. 01:07, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you decide to do, I think it would be nice get rid of those, not sure what they're call, drop down menus(?), also. They tend to make my computer stop responding while it tries to open one, even the current, and therefore smallest, one. I'm not sure what else would work, though. ^^; Breeze  whisker  01:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then maybe we should use subpages, and possibly have a limit to how many drop-menus are on a page. 01:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages was my opinion in the first place, so I still agree with that. Maybe 3-5 drop down archives per page, since we're up to the sixth archive now. (I don't have much problems these days o3o) I think the only thing with that Breezy is that we'd have to make an archive for each drop down. I'd personaly like to keep the voteyay and nay voting (probably because I've gotten used to it) but if it saves a lot heap of trouble, then I'm fine with just doing what Scarlet mentioned above. :) 01:49, 11, 06, 2012

I'm all for subpages, the current archive takes forever to load, and the yes/no thing would get confusing, let's just make some subpages and be done with it. 23:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages sound pretty good to me, and as for dropboxes - a limit of about 5 is good. The templates gave up after the 5th dropdown. And since most people are used to the voteyay/votenay voting, this wouldn't make them need to suddenly change what they're using. However, if we come to a conclusion on it, the yes/no thing would work as well. 06:15, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kay, is everyone happy with subpages and a new archive page every 5th drop down box? I think that if we don't go over the template limit then we should still use the voteyay and votenay templates. 02:01, 05, 07, 2012

Tweak Nominations: I am going to sound like a total idiot...
Alright, as you all know, right now I am the sole overseer of the Tweak Nominations page, and I'm supposed to nominate someone to help me. This is going to sound so horrible, I know, but I haven't been active enough to know who would be the right person for the job to help me. There are so many new people, and it's hard for me to keep track, and I don't even know who would want the position. I know this is unorthodox, but members that are eligible and would like this position, let me know and I'll make my decision. This way, it'll be a lot easier to pick the right person who is interested. Thanks, and again, please don't brick me for not just picking someone XD  15:15, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

We respect your desicion Ibly, not everyone can do their jobs. :) I could probably do this, but if the featured charart vote passes, since I'm one of the users in charge of that, I'll strike my interest for fairness. :) 06:29, 15, 06, 2012

I'm interested owo I can do this but it's your choice. 06:38 Fri Jun 15

Don't want to sound too greedy or something, but I would like to try this out. '^^  20:06, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm the new SW, but if I am allowed, I too would like to try this out. 20:24, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Man, now I'm not sure who I should choose...you'd all be good choices  15:31, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Planned and Hosted Join.me Events
Kay so I was talking it over with some others and we were thinking about creating planned join.me events. These will be events on join me to help multiple people on broad topics. I have created a table system and some guidelines to plan the events.


 * Only four events on the table at once. Only mentors are allowed to host join.me events. More than one of the same event can be hosted as sometimes people might not be able to attend the event. All times on the table must be in the wiki clock time. Please plan your event less than a week before it occurs in order to not take up space on the table but sooner than the day before so that people are a where that the event is occurring.
 * Anyone who wishes to participate in the event must ask for a link to the host's join.me via chat personal message and they must use their wiki username at their viewer name on join.me. To change your name, click participants button and click on the orange name, then change Viewer(whatever number you are) to your username. Proper conduct must be held during the event and viewers may only come on with the intention to learn. Hosts have the right to refuse to give a link to their join.me and to kick people out of the event. If something comes up, hosts have the right to terminate the event as it is taking place. To download join.me click here.

Thoughts? Suggestions? 21:18 Sat Jun 23

I like this. It sounds both fun and educational. I think there should be a way to approve sessions, though. Otherwise you might end up with shading tutorials like every week. XP Breeze  whisker  21:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Mounty! This is an amazing idea! 8DDDD I agree with this; it could prove very useful. 21:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you 8D I kinda thought about that, maybe a checklist that has various subjects list this?

Shading
 * tabby
 * tortoiseshell
 * cream
 * white
 * black

There would be other headings for other topics but that's an example. It could be refreshed say every month or so? 21:51 Sat Jun 23

Mounty, this is awesome! My apprentices and I do this from time to time, but I love how this is all planned out. <3 21:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Looks epic to me. And y'all know which style I'll help out with. Black cats are epic. <3

I could help out with tortoiseshell? 01:17, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Epic idea Mounty! 8DDD Just a suggestion, dunno if it's necessary (could be optional) but maybe on a users user-subpage, they could explain in detail approximately what they are going to show to everyone. Eg. say someone had the topic of "Shading tricks", they could include tweaking shading that is overblurred, needs to be blurred etc, secondary shading, shading styles and so on. Just so users know what exactly to look for, and they could include at what time those things will be explained. And this is going by UTC time, correct? e.e

And I could actually do shading styles, or possibly tabbies. 01:29, 24, 06, 2012

This is a wonderful idea. However, I'm curious about co-hosts or having other users who will be kind of "back seat driving" such as how are we going to handle that. As for the checklist, I think it should be open all the time so newer users can post topics they want to see. 01:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes it's UTC time. There's kinda that type of thing on the tutorials. And I guess people who want to help out the host can if they want to. It's really up to whoever is hosting it if they want someone to help them or not but they don't need to put them on the table. 02:22 Sun Jun 24

Love it! This can be very useful to beginners and mentors and their apprentices. I'll make sure to pop in to one of them if this works out. c:  03:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a very phenomenal idea. I have a much easier time visually showing someone something as opposed to trying to explain it. I could show them anything, I'm good with all kinds of cats. Just let me know  03:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds great! I'm willing to help out. I'm decent with most cats. ;) 14:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help with torties, solids and line tabbies. 17:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe there should be a column on the chart of what photo editing/painting program is going to be used? Also, I'd be willing to help out with classic/swirly tabbies, bi-colored cats, and tweaking tabbies. =) 17:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that is necessary to have a program column. This is for broad topics that is for all programs, that's why it's open to everyone. This is meant to help out all members, not just new ones. And you guys don't need to say what you plan on doing here before a vote has even passed -.- you can do whatever you want when you feel like it. 17:56 Sun Jun 24

Could we also show how to edit lineart and add scars? 14:46, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I had that in mind too. The sample checklist was just a few examples. That would be one of the topics. 16:02 Mon Jun 25

Could anyone edit the checklist just in case we miss a topic, and if it's not good then someone can revert it. Just a thought~. 09:24, 26, 06, 2012

Just like how anyone can add little things to the guidelines, any one can add things to the checklist, they can always be reverted. 17:06 Tue Jun 26

This is a great idea, Mounty. I don't have anything contributive to add to it, but I do like it. 19:51, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if I can contribute much either, but if there's anything i can do, i'd like to try it out =) 23:15, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Can i join?
Can i join? as a kit

☮ Sorrelflower ☯&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Sorrelflower/Sig}} 17:42, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

My siganture has no hyperlink for some reason BTW, so that's why theres two.

Of course! Take a look at our guidelines, tutorials and the mentor program. Have fun! 17:58, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Join
Hello, I would like to join Project Character Art please.

Thanks,

Fire fang  17:52, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Of course! Take a look at our guidelines, tutorials and the mentor program. Have fun! 17:59, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Golden brown vs. Ginger
Okay, a lot of you have been asking whether Thornclaw's mistaken ginger description warrants an alt. I apolizgize for cluttering the talk page if this has already been discussed, but when I googled ginger tabby...

ginger tabby

golden brown tabby

To me, there is a distinct difference. This, however, is just me, and others may have different opinions, which I am open to, but I'm just going to say that ginger is not golden brown, and in my eyes, would conclude in an alt for Thornclaw. I do think, though, that the ginger apprentices should be a much brighter ginger, like the ginger tabby I showed, so they wouldn't look so alike. 16:06, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

When were we discussing that? We had already decided before that there was enough difference. However what we were discussing is whether Thornclaw and Brackenfur's descriptions should be changed to ginger. 23:30, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh... sorry... my mistake... but since he was outright described as golden-brown, which (from those pictures) looks different than ginger, he should stay as golden brown. 23:35, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Storm..... go check the discussion. =.= We're not simply saying he should be described as ginger cause it's similar to golden brown. He was described as ginger first. And if you have more to add to this discussion, please head over to the discussion on the PC talk page. 11:21, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

A slight clarification on tweak nominations
Okay, no offence to anybody as this is just clarifying a minor mix up ;). In the guidelines it mentions that 3 senior members come along and vote on a tweak nomination. ie:


 * User 1 votes yay
 * User 2 votes yay
 * User 3 votes nay

Some users are doing the following, where there gets to 3 votes of each:


 * User 1 votes nay
 * User 2 votes nay
 * User 3 votes yay
 * User 4 votes yay
 * User 5 votes yay

Is this just a slight mistake that users seem to be thinking, or should we change the guidelines to be that there has to be 3 votes of one side of opinions. Thoughts? ;3 06:47, 28, 06, 2012

That's what we've been doing. I see no need to change it now. Three yay/nay votes are three yay/nay votes, regardless of how many leads it takes.

Yes but why is it in the guidelines? 08:23, 28, 06, 2012

I'm not quite sure what you're saying DJ..... majority vote wins, no matter what, but if it's a tie and there are 3 on both sides, it was decided when we worked the rules for the nominations out, that the leader and deputy would discuss, and if they couldn't come to an agreement between themselves, an admin would be called in. 11:30, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

-sigh- What I'm saying is that the guidelines state that we should be doing the first example I showed you, however, we are doing the second example. Are we going to have to change the guidelines? 05:00, 29, 06, 2012

Oh I see what you're talking about. Well yes, it seems that was misunderstood an overlooked. o.o It's quite difference from the system we currently use.... Since we've been using it so long without problem, I say we change the guidelines, but that's just my opinion. It's possible to start doing it the way started in the guidelines, but personally I don't think it's worth the trouble of changing something that's not broken. So yeah, I think we should just change the guidelines to match and be done with it. 12:07, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I personally agree with you. I'll just go ahead and change the guidelines. e.e 03:30, 30, 06, 2012

Thistleclaw alt. rogue 2
In SOTM on pg. 62, Thistleclaw is called a gray-white warrior. Wouldn't that warrent an alt? If so, I call it. 01:27, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

But he is grey and white...? Skt Gatlocke and the Kitty Kats 02:48, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

He's a gray tom with a white face. I don't think that counts as an alt.

Nope <span style="">05:06, 29, 06, 2012

I remember Harley getting an alt for being called gray-brown. 20:26, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Because he's a gray brown tabby. Thistleclaw is just gray and white. 20:31, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Harley is gray and brown, not gray-brown. There is a difference. Gray-brown is a shade, like his alt.

I know, and Thistleclaw is a gray-and-white, not gray-white. 22:05, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Gray-white? Wouldn't that be silver? I say no alt. It's too close to his main description. 23:13, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I would like to join, please...
Hey, I would like to rejoin. I just have to download a good paint program...

I have something that I'd like to bring to attention (not trying to be overbearing or hypercritical, just something I noticed) about a charart, but I'll wait until you guys give me the green light. :)

Also, I might not be able to come on 6-9 July.

Thanks! Lakewillow 22 14:15, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Course you can rejoin, just remember to stay active. ;) Here are the guidelines, tutorials and mentor program. <span style="">03:39, 30, 06, 2012

Hang on... you've already joined... <span style="">03:41, 30, 06, 2012

Well, Lakewillow said that they wanted to rejoin, so maybe she missed her name on the list. 00:35, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

May I join?
Hey, can I join? Schizzle 19:38, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, welcome to PCA! Have a look at our guidelines, tutorials and request a mentor at the mentor program. <span style="">03:42, 30, 06, 2012

Texturing
Since texturing is used quite oftentimes by charartists, should we go ahead and make a tutorial for it on the Apprentice Tutorials page? I believe so, because it is a style apprentices wouldn't know how to do at first and it does look nice - so I believe a lot of apprentices would like to give it a shot. 23:21, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I say just go for it! ;) Texturing is used a lot and is a useful technique for users to learn and master, so go ahead. <span style="">04:02, 01, 07, 2012

Could I do it? 8D 04:04, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think Loonie should do it ^^ And maybe a section on mottles could be added? How to make cats look mottled (with the galaxy brush and all on GIMP) 04:40, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that would be really necessary, since we've already got a section on mottled cats. (If I'm getting this right) Otherwise someone could tweak the mottled section. ouo <span style="">09:39, 01, 07, 2012

I think that if Mounty's idea goes through with the Join.Me events then they might be able to show how to add mottles too. 19:02, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's the most necessary thing in the world, since not all our chararts are textured, but I'm not against the idea either. If Loonie or Icy (it was your idea, but you didn't say you wanted to do it) want to put that together, I'm fine with it. As for the mottled section, speckles and mottles are pretty much in the same mold expect that mottles tend to be blurred a bit more then speckles, so I don't think that's really needed but if more think it is, I'm fine with that too. 20:45, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Loonie can do it. She's an expert on it, after all. 20:49, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sol's alt rogue
I'm aware that most of you will put this down heavily, but Sol was described as a mottled brown and black tom with white patches. I think maybe the mottled brown-and-black alt should be tweaked to have white patches. Just an idea though o.e 04:39, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well isn't that actually tortie and white? I reckon the black should be added to his description, since he's already mottled and got brown. <font face="Arial" size="1" color="Blue" >Skt Omnia vincit amor 04:41, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good idea, especially since his main image appears to have some black in it. 04:47, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

I say go ahead. <span style="">03:02, 04, 07, 2012

Clovertail's alt queen
Shouldn't that^^ charart be silver orgray? Since it's in the manga, and manga alts are usually black and white? 06:37, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

We already discussed this before. Just nominate it. 06:39, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Crowfeather Alt.
In A Clan in Need Crowfeather(then Crowkit) is shown as a plain gray cat. Would he get an alt for that? If so, I'd like it. 05:20, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, it's on page 18. 05:21, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so, since he's a dark grey cat and it needs to be lighter or darker by two shades to warrant an alt. Dark grey > grey is not two shades. 05:33, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. =3 05:37, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request - Sandstormrocks
I´d just like to re-join the project. The reason I left if because of school. But now I´m back and I´ll make sure to make time for this. Just one question: What rank will I be put in? I have three chararts aprroved but that was a while ago so I´m confused. Sandy   I think   Daddy's   my slave!  19:01, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back, Sandstorm ^^ The guidelines are here, just to catch up on some new rules. The tutorials are here and the mentor program is here. You'll be added as an apprentice. 19:13, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Another Bluestar alt.
In Cats of the Clans, Bluestar was shown as a pure blue cat instead of blue-gray. Would she get an alt? If so, I totally call her. 23:58, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so, since blue, blue-grey aren't many shades off. 01:16, July 5, 2012 (UTC)