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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Do you think you could make the ears a touch more triangular, also? 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  08:03, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

The front leg on <--this side looks a bit awkward the way it's bent. And the paw's a bit peculiar too. <span style="">08:06 Fri Dec 28

I suggest moving the ear (on --> side) closer to the face since it looks a tad out of place. -- S t  a  r  r  y  ~angelfase~  04:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried :P  03:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The way it is now, it looks almost cartoon-y. Shrink the ears, elongate the body just a tad, and thin out that bottom paw. 06:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and elongate the legs and round the back. 06:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded which paw? 21:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if I am allowed to comment, but the mouth on the left side, it looks a little odd. You should let it come up more instead of going down.Gummybearkiller (talk) 21:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The hind leg looks a bit too long, maybe give some more differentiation between the hip/flank and the actual leg? And show the pull on the shoulder muscle on the foreleg closest to us. Maybe scoot the head forward to make room for a bit of neck and shoulders? Maybe give some volume to the farthest forepaw, it looks a little flat. 00:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm kind of unsure what you mean in the first part  06:03, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you kinda tilt the image, or something? I don't know how to explain it, but it kinda looks like the cat's getting kicked in the shading place and flying away... sorry if I sound confusing I dunno how to explain it I'm not good with this stuff

Awesome! I think it is ready now.Gummybearkiller (talk) 22:59, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gummy, there are still comments that need to be accomplished under this topic, so it is not ready just yet. Also, refrain from commenting just to say it looks nice. I know you're new, so this is just a reminder. :) 00:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The anatomy could still use some re-working. The feet are oddly proportioned, the body is contorted oddly, the face anatomy looks off... sorry, but I can't think of how to be more helpful than that without being redundant. 21:31, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'll just casually place this here that I made with a reference I found  01:03, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Make the hind legs a touch bigger and maybe expand the head a bit so the features aren't quite so squashed 02:06, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

<33 I love it. The cat looks thin, not sure if that's supposed to look like that.  Giratina is not amused   03:19, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? 05:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw and make the "elbow" of the foreleg closest to us a bit bigger 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Move the elbow up a bit and make the shoulder larger and rounder. Also, straighten hind foot and make the paw rounder and erase that toe to fit in at least three, four if you can. Also, smooth and round out the top of the thigh, and move the our right ear and cheek forward a bit. And maybe shorten the extended leg a little. 21:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Alright, I tried, though I think I failed on bringing the cheek forward  04:31, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't mean that. I mean the side of the jaw. D: Sorry, bad phrasing. 04:36, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:19, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind paw closest to us still looks a bit odd, maybe try making it a bit bigger and sorta oval-y 04:56, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Like deese? 07:26, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart seems thicker...is it just my poor eyesight? x.x 05:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart thickness is two pixils thick all the way around (or it should be, at least)  06:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tail just a little longer. It looks stubby. I love these<3333 -Feather 10:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

=D The front paw farthest to us is thicker than the rest. It looks puffed up at the wrist. Fix that?  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas  20:27, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Forgive my terminology here; I study rabbit anatomy, not cats, but here goes : Bring up the hock/ankle joint of the hind foot closest to us up a bit, so the hind foot is at the same tilt as the front paw closest to us. Last, make the top curve on the shoulder a bit shorter and slightly flatter. 01:29, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I promise to reupload here in a bit, I'm having a friend of mine help me with this, along with the most recent submissions, and I'll reupload it here very soon. I know it's been 8 days since the last reupload, but if I could just have a little bit of leeway so my friend can help me perfect it, I'd really appreciate it. 03:31, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm still waiting for my friend to get back with me but figured I'd go ahead and work with these suggestions anyway to keep it going. 02:34, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowfang (Star) - CBA
I know about the white background, I need someone to help me with that since It won't let me save on pixlr, so i had to copy paste onto Paint. I tried to make it as close to Yellowfang in appearence as possible. It sucks, so if it's declined I'll understand.

☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Unthumb the image and....... wait, is there..... uh, is there any shading on this? If there is, define it. But I really don't see any.... 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this is 80% complete. There's no shading, it's pixely, and I believe it's the wrong size. 23:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Changing heading to Under Evaluation, and you have one week to get this up to standards before it's declined. 23:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. It is pixely, wrong size even though it looked ok and the thing. I tried my hardest at this, and I don't think I can do anymore. If it's declined, it's fine. I'll have to try something else and figure out how to get rid of the white background. Someone else can have a better shot at Yellowfang than me.. I can't shade. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

There are some tutorials you can look at the learn from on how to use Pixlr. Pixlr is fairly easy to understand, it just takes practice.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try look at the PCA apprentice tutorials - i've placed a request to join the PCA, so tomorrow I'm going to try and improve this, ok? Never mind about the message I put before this one... I can't try now because I've been on the PC for hours and my eyes are hurting... I'm going to reattempt this, add shading and improve it until it's good enough. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:59, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can help you with this. I don't know what you used to make this image with, but as said, you can use Pixlr, but another good program to use is GIMP, and GIMP is totally free! I'm actually planning on updating my video tutorial on how to use GIMP, I might do that tonight and it would help you greatly I'd imagine. 02:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I need some serious help shading this on pixlr. Can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 15:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Use the dodge tool. It sorta looks like a hair dyer xD But that's the easiest way to shade.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  19:19, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually in my opinion that's one of the hardest ways to shade. Check out the apprentice tutorials for help on anything. 20:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Is that better?

Sorry, I'm going to change it a little.Going to get rid of the line round the edge, Shading is a little dark and it's gone over the eyes, so gonna lighten that up and remove the shading off the eyes. Going to make it better. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 23:16, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is a bit too dark, like you said in the chat, but you need to replace the lineart you lost as well as blur the scars and make the tufts more noticable.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  23:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It still looks too big and it looks like there's lineart detail missing 00:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You might be better off redoing it; I'm just saying, since so much lineart is missing and it just looks pixelly. One of the ears (the back one) looks... smaller and rounded. It looks like Smallear's ear rather than a torn ear. 00:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the scars, and fix her muzzle...it looks a bit odd. I honestly don't know why you picked as difficult a charart as this - perhaps next time just try a solid with no scars, ragged fur, etc. <span style="">13:20 Sun Jan 6

the cat is about 10% bigger than she should be and it looks like you removed some outer lineart. Plus, you picked really hard cat to make. But its you choice, I cant talk into it. 15:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's a work in progress. You see, I accidently saved it onto the computor when it wasnt full sized, so that explains the pixelated bits, and missing lineart. Now, I realised that, so I'm restarting all other again. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you want, I can help. I mean - I'm not great but I can make the fluffy lineart for you, if that would be okay.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  15:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Really? Thank you, that would be a great help. Just the fluffy lineart, right? Thanks, as soon as you can? Because It says that I have until Friday for this to be up to standards. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Here you go. I tried ^^;;  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:37, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That's beautiful! It'll be a great help! ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC) 16:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I know you probably already saved it, but I moved the muzzle a bit closer to make it look more squished. Once again, I tried xDD  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded That's so much better. Thanks, Echo, for the fluffy lineart you did for me. You're a life saver! :) ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Going to stretch the ear pink to fill whole ear and make it more pink. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:44, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Put some shading on the flank, sharpen the scars, darken and add more shading on the tail, and smush the muzzle 17:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

>totally didn't read that as smash the muzzle< The earpink should fill the entire ear. Define the depth in the eye and blur the shading tons. The shading on the front legs looks really weird, it looks like there's... darker spots in it. Your light source is all over the place, too, define a proper light source, 18:09, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There, but it might not show for a bit cause the photo uploading is playing up a bit...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:20, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the scars and smudge the tips so it looks like fur growing over it  22:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add earpink to our left ear. 12:48, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Left ear pink, scars blurred and fur smudged acheived. Anything else, or is that ok?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:47, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the ears, and the patches of fur that are next to the scars. 22:41, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The space between her tail is gray. x3.  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 22:44, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the earpink. <span style="">10:09 Tue Jan 8

Re-uploaded Didn't realise that there was a gray patch between her body and tail - it was so pale I could barely tell. Pelt smudged into ear pink, blurred line art un-smudged... Anything else, or is it done? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:23, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her pelt looks really glossy. Dull it down a little? 23:17, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her scar placement doesn't match the other images, like there's no scars on her paws on the others. <span style="">23:25, 01/8/2013

Re-uploaded Fur is duller, scars match her images more. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Shading's pretty blotchy on the body; blur it please 04:23, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded right, shading fixed. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:15, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. 16:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't. I try and try, but nothing happens... pixlr won't let me save, like I said a week ago, and I can't have any other sites... can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'll make the background transparent once the image is approved, Sorrel. No worries at all. I understand what it's like to be stuck with only pixlr. .-.

Thank you - I really appreciate it. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail, and perhaps blur the scars a little bit more? This is quite lovely.

I don't think a scar can go overtop a tuft of fur. Where a scar is made, fur either grows on it and is unseen or no fur grows at all (maybe the first one isn't possible, idk.) Could you maybe remove the scar pink on the fur tufts? I don't know how to word this. 20:42, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded May take a while for it to load up again...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The scars are too red, and smudge the pelt into the earpink more. Define the eyedepth, and make the ragged fur more like her other images. x3 23:32, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste outside of >>>> ear, some of the eye lineart is missing/blurred, there's a bit of missing lineart where the tail meets the body, some of the lineart near the scars is blurred, mainly on the tufts, and there's still one scar going over the tuft, on her upper shoulder. <span style="">23:46, 01/11/2013

Re-uploaded Yet again, it will take a little while to come up.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:45 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Unfortunatly, it will take a little while to come up AGAIN. Got rid of a bit of waste I forgot.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  01:02 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The scars on the face don't really match with the other images. <span style="">02:12, 01/12/2013

Re-uploaded I looked at her pixels for loner and queen to see the scars on each side of her face, so it looks more like her facial scars now. Wait a little bit, the improved face scars should hopefully appear in no time.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  14:39 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on her tail a tad. ^^  17:34, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Tail defined.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The shading's a bit blotchy right now and need to be smoothed out a bit, the scars need blurring and the tips need to be sharper, tail needs an unshaded part, it's completely shaded, define the paw and head shading, darken the base coat ever so slightly, darken the shading, and make some of the fur connect with eachother, so it's not like just one spike, it's more like fur. Look at her other images for an example of what I mean. Also add depth to the eyes and make the muzzle flatter and add a line on the nose like the other images to show it's kinda smashed in. If you need any help on the lineart just shoot me a message and I'd be glad to help. 20:16, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I've done what I can, Paleh. Can someone be a lamb and help me flatten the muzzle?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:47 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

You didn't add depth to the eyes or sharpen the scar tips. Also smudge the earpink and fix what seems to be blurred lineart there. Shading's still blotchy too. I can help you with the muzzle. 22:33, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Here 22:36, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There. Thanks for flattening the muzzle, Paleh! The scar tips have been sharpened, the ear pink has been blurred and the lineart has been un-blurred, as far as I can tell. Oh, when Paleh said 'add depth' does she mean make the eyes darker, or something like that?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:46 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Throw in some dark and light colored pixels as if shading the eyes. |These These do not contain the StarClan blank eye shading, but you can probably get the idea from them. 20:49, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Ugh, orange eyes are difficult - you can't really see if there's much difference, so you'll have to zoom in.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  22:04 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and the depth in the eyes 03:12, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Once again, wait a little, and the improved charart will appear.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:35 January 14, 2013 (UTC)

What ever you did, gaussian blur or dodge or whatever, appears outside the charart. Erase it. 11:29, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Oops. Didn't notice that, Quail. Thanks for telling me. I've erased the rubbish outside the charart.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24January 15, 2013 (UTC)

She's a tad darker than her other images...care to lighten the base a tad? Make sure you chose the lightest part of her pelt on another charart when taking the colour. Also, make the background transparent. She be white right now. o3o <span style="">15:26 Tue Jan 15

Re-uploaded I took the colour this is now from her medicine cat image. Also, Berry, Cloudy kindly offered to make the background transparent if this is approved becuase the pixlr I have dosen't let me.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:47 January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, does this need improvement?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:41 January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up, you don't need to ask if there's anything else you need to improve. Users will comment, and if there's nothing, a lead can CBA it. Right now, the shading's fairly blotchy, and very defined on the shoulder and tail. Smooth that out? 00:56, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

There, Rainy. Smoothed out the shading.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:19 January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 21:48, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Defined it.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:01 January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the scars on the shoulder and smudge the ear-pink a little 00:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

There. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:14, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the unshaded parts to blend more in with the pelt. 02:05, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. It's a very light gray right now. 14:32, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

They've stated multiple times already that they can't make it transparent and that cloudy offered to once it's approved. And it's not light gray at all right now... 0.o Anyways, define and smooth out the shading even more.. 14:39, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps blur the unshaded areas, or "highlights." 19:11, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded there - I hope this gets approved in time for me to try out Tansypaw. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the grey a touch and I think this can be CBA'd. 03:18, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Er, the grey is the same colour as her other images... ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:21, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Despite that, I believe the image is over 80% done. I'm changing the heading. 22:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

The scars on the shoulder look a bit too over blurred, sharpen them a bit? 03:37, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I've thinned the shoulder scars a bit too, I thought they looked a little thick. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  14:41, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

This looks good, Sorrel. CBA? 01:51, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it still looks too dark and the shading is still very blotchy. 02:22, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

It dosen't look blothchy to me, but fine. One ligther Yellowfang, coming right up. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:31, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:42, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Shading still looks blotchy and needs to be smoothed out, and needs to be defined on the legs and tail. Blur the scars a bit, and is that blurred lineart on the ear closest to us or just shading? I can't tell. Since this has been CBA'd before, I'm going to assume it's basically agree this is 80% done, so I'll make you an apprentice. 22:02, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:56, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the background transparent, amico? Nicely done~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:04, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part on her tail, please. x3 23:31, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded god, this has improved so much since I first offered it (the first one was a DISASTER)! Unshaded part of the tail defined, and Cloudy offered to make this transparent once it is approved, because my stupid computer won't let me, no matter what I try.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  12:45, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the highlights? This is coming along quite nicely, Sorrel. 13:50, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:27, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the shading's still blotchy. Is your blur tool set to 100% when you blur? Also, add some unshaded parts to the lower legs. They shouldn't be totally shaded. Same to the tail, there's only a tiny splotch of unshaded bits on there. 00:31, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I decided to redo the shading. It may not appear for a while.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:14, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's much less blotchy now, but really hard edged. Again, are you blurring with the blur tool at 100%? 23:58, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

ReuploadedIt is 100%, Paleh. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:22, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, since this is quite close, I've decided (after talking with another lead) to give you a one week extension. Just for reference, the color base for at least two of the images (queen and kit) is #252525. Also, the scars seem a tad bit sharp, and could use a little more blurring. Try to set the blur percentage to...hmm... maybe 20%? Then sightly blur it. Then I'd say turn it back up to 100%, and blue the shading again, since it still needs it quite a bit.

As a side note, I've noticed you're having trouble with the shading. If you'd like me to help out with that, don't be afraid to ask. I'd be more than willing to give you a hand.

Re-uploaded if this shading isn't good enough now, can you lend me a paw, Cloudy?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:18, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

I can't tell if it's the shading waste or if it's the background, but make the background transparent and define the light on the face 04:55, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

...okay for the millionth time, I said I would take care of that once the image is approved. .-.

Re-uploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:45, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

...this has been sitting for five days. .-. I'm going to CBA this since no one else has commented in such a long time. My apologies for the lack of comments, Sorrel.

Sorry, but can you blur the shading? 17:52, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  13:25, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

It's been sitting here for awhile again. Comments before approval? 05:34, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Honeyfern (Star)- Under Evaluation
asdf I failed with stripes again, cuz not a lot and badly detailed. Comments? 23:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

The title should say For Evaluation since you're a kit. Anyway, blur the highlights and add shading. Also add more stripes and dapples. Makes the stripes longer, more zigzagged. and smudge them with a size one brush. <span style="">00:08, 27, 01, 2013

Changed the heading. Blur the edges of the lighter chest. 00:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re uploaded.

Define shading and highlights and blur them.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  00:47, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Blur and lighten the highlights+shading more and make her nose pink. Also, you should add a bit more dapples, since now it just looks like stripes. 16:22, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 17:48, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I think I should delete the old shading.. Any one agree? 19:39, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Make the highlights less neon, darken the shading, smudge the stripes, define the earpink and eye depth, make it more dappled, lighten it a tad, and blur/smudge the light underparts and muzzle to better mutch the warrior. <span style="">09:08 Mon Jan 28

Also blur the dark shading  <span style="">06:18 Tue Jan 29

The light coming onto the tail from the top left looks like a straight dead line... maybe blur a bit? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I don't think the pale goes past her eyes in the other imges 08:32, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Also did some more editing than that -facedesk- I suck x.x 23:58, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Just a question: Can I try again to make this? Thanks. 17:44, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yes you may. I really hope this doesn't sound mean (and I didn't intend it to be that way) but it's probably in your best interest if you do. Make her beautiful! <3  02:43, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Did the whole thing over, and decided to not use highlights. :3 Thanks for the advice, Ivy! =D 14:21, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Soften the color of the stripes, thicken them, and add more. Add more mottles, smudge the ear-pink color back into the ear, and define the depth in the eyes 04:53, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. Shoon Derp Hazelwind lives on~ 16:11, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 01:08, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yep.. if this is gonna be declined, I'll understand. please tell me gentely, or I'll freak. o^o 20:46, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

So long as you work on it, it won't be even considered for declining until another couple weeks. But you have to upload or this'll be declined due to lack of work. 08:42, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 15:45, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes really don't match. This is looking very promising though, Cloudwhisker. I'm impressed.

Still working on this? 02:34, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'll flow the stripes like a mackerel tabby, Skye, sooner or later, and Scarlet, yes. x3 hope I can finish before it gets declined.. 20:02, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I think I made it worse.. x.x 23:39, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 15:35, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I also defined the shading. o3o 16:22, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

How much percent is this done? I don't know o.o 17:02, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

That'll be up to our Senior Warriors. The stripes are kind of going every which way right now...maybe make them a tad lighter and make them go up and down? And last, could you smudge the chest and stomach a bit? It sounds like I love every cat's eyes, but these are still pretty. :) 01:52, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Flintfang (Star) ~ For Approval
Shading x.x Comments? Shoon Derp Hazelwind lives on~ 21:58, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, define the shading on the tail and legs, and perhaps just lighten it a tad on the body and face? Nice :3 06:16, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the body shading a little. <span style="">03:17, 31, 01, 2013

Re-uploaded -- Changes might not be showing.

Blur the shading, define the depth in the eyes, and expand the shoulder highlight 21:30, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

A little bit of the line art disappeared on the haunch...I'm not sure it's a huge deal...Maybe just fill that in a little? And last, there's a little waste near the left of his tail, right of his paws, by his right ear, and last, near the base of the tail. He's rather handsome! <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 23:25, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Still working?

Yep. Re-uploaded The shading's being difficult.

Could you move the tail shading to the inside (side closest to the body) to match up with the light source? 00:00, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 01:11, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I think I made it worse....x.x Shoonderp  Friends are  forever ~ 21:04, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define the highlight on his tail a bit now? I think that may help out. 19:28, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawing, because there's something else I'd like to work on. Shoonderp Friends are  forever ~ 13:48, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 17:52, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded All colors from apprentice, which I'm the OA of. 03:43, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Light source doesn't make much sense right now, it seems like her has two. 01:06, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

her? Lol. Flintfang's a male cat XD doesn't look like changes are showing. But I don't care. Blur the eye color a tad? Wonderful, Duck. aka my mentor x3 20:11, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Flintfang (Ki) - CBA
Im so sorry for posting it so late. I was pretty busy. ,14:33,January 29,2013 (UTC)

Did you just take Flutter's image and tweak it? I really don't know if that's allowed....

No, I didnt.. a moment.. okay I guess this is my mistake. I apologize for that. I guess my file didnt uploaded yesterday. Fixed. ,19:43,January 30,2013 (UTC)

Ahaha, no worries, Leaf. I apologize for saying that. Stupid wiki likes to not show changes. ._. Could you define the shading ever so slightly?

Reuploaded :) ,8:05,February 2,2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit! Wonderful job~ 23:26, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ,20:11,February 3,2013 (UTC)

Expand the chest "highlight". also, the light source doesn't make much sense... It's coming from like three different directions, left, right, and above. Make it come from one? 00:26, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ,16:54,February 5,2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Seems blotchy.

Still working?

I do, Im sorry for late upload, my gimp just hate me. He freezes all the time. reuploaded ,14:55,February 9,2013 (UTC)

CBA? 22:50, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you smooth out the shading a bit more? 02:24, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded, Im leaving for vacation tommorow so if it doesnt get approved, someone should take it over. ,17:18,February 12,2013 (UTC)

I think he looks fine - quite cute! CBA? 05:31, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

sorry but he's a bit too dark and the chest shading is too thick. 06:34, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 01:00, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Whee..yess I do, reuploaded ..that shadings are still awful -_- ,16:00,February 18,2013 (UTC)

Define the light source 03:26, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ,20:21,February 23,2013 (UTC)

I love this. CBA? 19:10, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Emberkit (K) ~ For Approval
Oh ew image made on pixrl x.x. I know I need to dull the highlights, so aside from that, comments? <big style="font-style:inherit;"> Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:14, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty tabby! She looks a little neon to me. Maybe make the orange a little darker, or perhaps a little less pink, or maybe less saturated...? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 00:49, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. c: 04:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I swear she looks brown now... Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 00:26, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe brighten her up a little? <span style="">03:13, 31, 01, 2013

Reuploaded. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:08, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Make the orange a tad darker if you can. 23:25, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

I tried, Ducky and it made her all blotchy looking, so can I leave as this shade? If someone else agrees, I'll see what I can do, however~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:29, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

She looks pink right now, so yes she needs to be darkened and made more orange. 00:29, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made her more darker and more orange, if this doesn't work, tell me and i'll test out a second version I made. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 15:34, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and define the shading a bit and define the stripes. 00:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 00:51, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit more and define the shading on them 04:51, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:13, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

No comments in a while, so CBA? 05:30, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but the shading's a bit blotchy on the chest and needs to be defined on the legs. 15:47, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:25, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste by the tail and paws and maybe thin out the forehead stripe a touch 01:01, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:37, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink and add some depth to the shading 03:27, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 17:09, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the fur into the earpink, and define the shading, I can't see it. 17:00, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna leave her shading as is, amico, I mean, on her .pxd, she's got about 4 layers for shading. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 18:09, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 01:01, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Acornpaw (A) ~ For Approval
Comments? -Feather 16:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Make him look more brown. Right now, he looks gray-brown. Bbun (talk) 21:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Can you move the direction of the texture on the shoulder so it doesn't look as flat? sorry if that made no sense >.< <span style="">23:16, 30, 01, 2013

If I move the direction of the shoulder, it would mean moving the direction of the entire texture, and it's not flat imo, it's just the fur facing downwards. Also, I think the brown looks fine. I can't really change that either or it will get rid of the texture -Feather 14:48, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

The texture needs to flow with the direction the fur would go on a pelt- the texture in the shoulder needs to be curved differently. And the brown /does/ look a tad dull. Sorry..:s 15:29, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading a tad? 22:17, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes may not be showing, but I decided to get rid of the texture. cos, well it sucked. And I couldn't fix the shoulder thing. -Feather 11:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly tint the shading red, brown, or orange to make it look a tad more light-brown. 23:24, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the haunch shading. And smudge the earpink a bit. 23:28, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I couldn't smudge the earpink, so I blended it into the fur instead. And I blurred the haunch. Changes may not be showing. -Feather 11:13, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

He looks kinda oddly colored right now... I don't even know what this color is, but it doesn't look very brown. Make him more brown? 00:24, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 11:16, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still seems a bit off.. I don't know. Personally, I think it could be a little more brown-ish.

Re-uploaded -Feather 11:17, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

If anyone can get me a suitable hex code, I would be grateful. I can't seem to find one that works. -Feather 19:35, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded again. I think this works better. if not, then i would appreciate a hex code -Feather 13:51, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make him a bit more rich in color, he still looks kinda washed out 01:49, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

And define the shading. The base pelt color and the shading practically look the same. 00:08, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 11:11, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Changes may not be showing.... here's a link if they're not.  -Feather 11:14, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make it browner, it's starting to look slightly orange. 02:25, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 11:16, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

He's looking tawny - would you be able to tint the shading too? <span style="">11:24 Tue Feb 12

He looks pink, not tawny, I'd say. Why not try something like #A0704D, and possibly tint the shading?

Re-uploaded. -Feather 16:16, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the earpink a bit. 05:26, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with misty, the earpink is kind of at the tip of his ear... This is great though! 07:09, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded this is honestly all i can do with the earpink because the PXD file is at school and I'm on school break for a week so i hope this is ok -Feather 10:17, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna withdraw this. I'm fairly certain the current image isn't qualified for approving, and I won't be able to upload it for a week. So, withdrawn. plus i have something else i wanna work on -Feather 11:23, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. Shoonderp Friends are  forever ~ 13:47, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- Changes aren't showing, I don't think. Shoonderp Friends a  r  e  forever ~ 18:09, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

He looks a bit yellowish. x3 03:44, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the tail looks odd the way it's going right across it. Move it to along the far side of it please. :) . 05:48, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Rainleap (W) ~ For Approval
Finally GIMP started to act cooperative, and I was able to actually start it. cx (no idea why that has been happening -shrugs-) First time I did one of these tabbies. Comments? o3o 01:22, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

A silver tabby is like Silverstream, a silverly base and dark gray or black stripes. 15:37, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur or smudge the stripes? 18:03, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

Trhink the ear-pink a bit and even out the shadingl it looks a lot darker on the haunch and back 02:01, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink's fine, artist's choice whether you wanna fill the ear or not. And the shading doesn't have to be the same darkness on it all. 03:28, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Made the stripes darker(might have to do it a bit more... What do you think?) and blurred the stripes. 21:16, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The base still needs to be gray, not white 01:37, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

The base is fine. This is just a silvery-grey. 04:37, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

No I agree, it looks like an off white right now. I thought it was white when I first saw it in the new files. Darken it just a tad.

Reuploaded Made it a few shades darker. 01:51, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Shall we go CBA?

I'm sorry, but the spot of darker shading on the back looks like it needs blended out more 21:33, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 20:47, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Give the stripes on the face a smudge, they look a bit paintbrushy and define the depth in the eye 04:48, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry, but I'd rather just leave the facial stripes because if I smudged those, I would have to smudge the rest for consistency - but I did add more depth. ^^ 06:26, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

If she's a pointed tabby, there wouldn't be any stripes on the back. 01:23, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Like this? And I modeled her after Princess. Would that mean she would have to be changed, too? 02:42, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mind giving the tips of the stripes on the face and legs a smudge 01:03, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Smudging is optional, and I'm pretty sure she already said that she doesn't want to smudge them. I think they're fine. And no Misty, Princess is fine, the stripes aren't on her back like they were here, they're only on her haunch. There's a funny colored bit under the earpink that I'm assuming is a stripe, can you remove that? It looks quite odd. 01:05, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Oh, alright. ^^ Thanks for clearing that up. And I got rid of the stripe c: 05:53, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? c: 05:32, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I know...ididitagainandimterriblysorry...the stripes on the tail don't seem to be in the same style as they are on the body (I've had a picture interrupted for the same thing). They seem to converge all at once at a few key points on the tail and don't finish at the other side (gaps at this ---> edge) and look a tad airbrushy. The earpink also looks hardedges and should be blurred or smudged more  03:12, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

They look fine to me honestly. 05:03, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Snailpaw (Ki) ~ For Approval
Paleh, I shall be commited to him okay. Comments? Bbun (talk) 00:48, February 5, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Shading's quite flat. Define it?

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 03:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Stripes don't quite match the apprentice. They seem overblurred and not thick enough. Also the wrong color, I believe. But that could be because I can't see them very well.

Re-uploaded. They're the same color as the ones on the apprentice. Bbun (talk) 15:52, February 8, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the stripes a tad on the legs. 16:16, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 17:25, February 9, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

No comments on this in a while, let's go CBA 04:47, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but the shading seems flat and could be defined. Also, blur the ear pink a bit and define the stripes on the tail-I can't see them.

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 16:51, February 12, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Re-uploaded. Blurred a part of his shading a tad. Bbun (talk) 00:36, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

I don't know how much you blurred, but now it looks flat again.

Re-uploaded. Defined it a bit. Bbun (talk) 19:27, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

It needs to be defined a lot. I can't even tell there's shading, aside from the slight variation in coloring.

Re-uploaded. I tried defining it ;_;. Bbun (talk) 23:01, February 15, 2013 (UTC)Bbum

The stripes get lost in the shading and the leg stripes don't really seem to match. 01:19, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 20:41, February 16, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the shading on the chest 01:03, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. Completely redid the shading. Bbun (talk) 01:18, February 17, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the chest. 00:25, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. Bbun (talk) 19:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

This looks good! CBA? 03:29, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but the space right between the legs, kinda the belly area, the shading's really hard edged, and on the tail the stripes don't match. 05:00, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uppy. Bbun (talk) 15:46, February 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Pretty! I would just suggest to define the light source. 83

I can see the light source fine. o.o Just as well as you can on any of the other kits. 02:36, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Tansypaw (ki) ~ For Approval
Oi, this was hard. Comments? 18:10, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blend out the shading on the chest a bit more 21:34, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Don't think changes are showing. 18:18, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the legs? 07:57, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Changes might not be showing. 17:58, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Dwaww~ She's cute! Define the ear-pink and the shading on the tail a bit more 04:46, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Unsure if changes are showing. 16:05, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part on her chest, and is it just me or do her legs look sort of gray? Pretty! 05:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Unsure if changes are showing. 17:50, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? 23:13, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but make her more cream to match the apprentice. Bbun (talk) 23:49, February 16, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Chest shading also needs to be blurred, and legs defined. 00:35, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Don't think changes are showing. 16:26, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Make the cream match the apprentice more. Bbun (talk) 17:52, February 19, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

I think it does, Beebs. I believe it's the shading that's making it look off. Blue, try tinting the shading to a darker brown, and see how that works. It could be just me, however, and there's a good chance I'm wrong. ouo

When I did that, she turned out too brown. 00:00, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Try color picking the base on the app, then colorpicking part of the shading. Then simply use that color. Easiest way to match it on solids. 00:23, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Unsure if changes are showing. 21:56, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hollowbelly (Star) - For Approval
This was complicated, but with guidance I finished it, Any comment's? 23:56, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge his white to match the warrior. Bbun (talk) 23:57, February 6, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Some of the white seems to have leaked out of the tail. Job well done! This is extremely good for such a new user. You must have quite a talented mentor. 8D

She did most of the work herself, I only helped a few times c: Whiten the paw closest to us and add earpink to the <-- ear. Wonderful job! 21:52, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 04:45, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded.... 22:13, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the lower back.

The file needs to be named File:Hollowbelly.star.png. You can reupload over the previous one.

Still working on this?

Declined due to lack of work. 05:04, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 23:02, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'mma put it here since this hasn't been archived. Third time's the charm, no? 23:47, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

I might be seeing things, but remove the waste? Bbun (talk) 23:56, February 23, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

His chest is just a bit flat. Could you maybe extend the smudging into his chest, or maybe darken it, or add a highlight? He is so pretty! I love his eyes! 18:46, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Correct me if i'm wrong, and it's suppose to be like that , but the shading on the back along the bottom seems a bit too dark. Like I said, sorry if it's suppose to be like that. :3 Btw he is gawjus. 22:52, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks you guys. I went through all the layers with the erase, added a bit of texture, shading, and smudging to the chest, and I lightened the base a little. 23:15, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Highlights are a bit bright, and the tail's light source doesn't really match the body's. You might have to switch the shading to the other side of the tail. 01:22, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:50, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Smallear (Star) ~ For Approval
Sorry I was so late on this. Comments?? 01:44, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Make the ears pointier, right now they look torn, thicken the shading on the haunch and face 02:18, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Also blur the belly shading. 21:15, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Could someone help me out with the line art for the ears please? 23:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Mind if I try? I have a lineart you can use for his ears that I did. 23:55, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Sure! Wanna send it to me or are you just going to re-upload over this image? 23:40, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

I can send it to you. I'm kind of new here...How would I send it to you :D? 00:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Just leave a message on my talk page! <--There's the link. 02:11, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Still working?

Re-Uploaded Sorry I thought I re-uploaded it. I know the shading looks terrible -.- but how does the line art look? And changes may not be showing yet. 01:29, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and match the light source with the tail shading 03:30, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

The ear on our right should be curved a bit more. 05:07, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sweetpaw (Star) - For Approval
Sweetpaw, one of my favorite characters! I asked Paleh for the .xcf, and not only are the colors exact, but the opacity of the layer and the layer type are the same, as well. Added another layer of darker shadinf for depth. 02:39, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Whiten the white? She looks so cute :3. Bbun (talk) 02:43, February 8, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Define the shading a lot, it's too blurred. Makes the white very gray. Beebs the color itself is from my file. The shading is what needs to be edited. 02:54, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Also, don't forget it needs to match both images. Add a patch to the shoulder closest to us, make the patch on the other shoulder not spread onto the chest, and try and match the pattern on the tail a bit better. 08:41, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded The tail isn't on the same side, though, and the shading is the same I used on Brambleberry and she's a white cat with black on her. 20:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

It still makes her look gray though. It needs to be fixed. 23:00, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

The white is in the shading. Of course it's going to look a little grey. It's fine. 07:55, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I agree with Paleh, it will look a bit gray, but this looks really gray, especially in the front. 16:11, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Even where its shaded looks gray, not just the shaded areas. That's the problem. 00:24, February 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm sorry, ok? There, even though the opacity of the shading no longer matches the apprentice, the shading has been lightened. 02:36, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Wee~ this is gorgeous, Ivy! Just an opinion, maybe add more stripes to the orange patch on the shoulder closest to us and maybe give them a smudge, they look a little paintbrushy. 04:44, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Don't be sorry, Ivy. It's beautiful. Mind defining the tail shading a tad more? 19:39, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

It didn't need to be lightened, it needed to be cleaned up. It's too light now and is flat. 06:21, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

...cleaned up? It wasn't messy. If it was messy, that means Brambleberry's StarClan image needs to be tweaked then, because it's the same shading technique. 19:51, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

I think the patches could use just a tad more smudging. 04:58, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not talking about Brambleberry, different shading works on different images. I'm talking about this image, and the shading needs to be cleaned up. It's overblurred in some places, making it gray all over, and it bleeds out in places and it just... needs to be cleaned up. 06:21, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't know if this is right or not 06:27, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Shoulder patch still needs to be smudged. 22:57, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the back highlight a bit. (or haunch.. Sorry) 23:15, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's ziz? 21:39, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the shading on the white on the back a bit more? 03:41, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:28, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

StarClan Kit Blanks - For Approval
As far as I could tell I'm doing these. Go ahead and decline if I am mistaken. Comments?

No, you were supposed to be the one who made them, Breezey. They're your blanks, and it would be a lot easier for you to do it, since you have the files. Are they just shrunken versions of the blanks, then?

asdf yey~ Thicken the lineart by maybe one pixel if possible and if not don't worry about it, smooth it all out (it's kind chunky and overly pixely in some places) and maybe change the proportions a bit to seem more kit-like rather than just changing the size. Shrink the tail a bit, shoulders and paws and maaaaaybe ears (unsure on that one). Nice job! 04:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, there are some adjustments. Storter bodies, legs, wider chests, and larger heads. I tried to make them look like older kittens. I'll reupload later when I have more time. 04:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Observe. And this is a cat at six months. Bigger eyes and ears in proportion to the face. Stubby legs. Not so muscly. Pathetic-looking tail. 04:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want it to be this small, then they aren't older kittens in comparison to the regular blank. They're tiny, pretty much newborn, so the first image would be more appropriate. 04:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

They don't look resized correctly, like, you know how if you resize something in Paint, it gets all pixel-y? It sorta looks like that. Iaza can most likely resize it well if you try. did totally not stare at Shelly's kitten images for five minutes ouo  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  23:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

neither did i i swear Make them less pixel-y. -Feather 13:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Feather, don't repeat what's already said. Paleh's already said that. ._.

Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry x3 -Feather 18:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Due to my schedule changing, I can't work on these within the next week. Shelly has agreed to take over for me. 21:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the side of the tail <-- this way there are like two or three pixels that stick out from the rest of the lineart. Do we really need that? Or can it be removed because I don't really think it does anything. 17:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's a gap in > side of the eyes.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do I need to keep this pose? I mean, the living kit blanks don't match the warrior blanks. Of course, I would not change the pose without Breezey's permission. I can work with this pose, but I'd rather move it around to make it more obvious that this is a different blank. 00:32, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should keep the pose. That's the one we voted on, so you should really keep it....

You voted on the pose for the adult blanks. No one has voted on a pose for the kits. 00:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Technically we didn't /vote/ vote, but we all agreed, yes. We agreed on shrinking the blank, not making a totally new one. I would strongly disagree with making a new blank altogether. So yup, same pose please. edit conflict ffff 00:43, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bah, fine. If that's what you guys want. 00:48, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

* pops in* I really don't think you need to make them exactly the same. As long as it's a cat lying down at this sort of angle, if the blanks need to be moved around to accommodate the anatomy of a kitten then I'd say go for it. 04:52, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, they probably should be a bit distinguished. Otherwise, they might be confused for thumbs of the StarClan blanks. 04:53, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! And yeah, I think that the pose is a bit too flexible for a kitten. How about this: Facing the opposite direction (head on the left instead of the right) and the back legs facing us. Not that different, but different enough to distinguish it from the full-grown blank. 05:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, we agreed before (at least mostly) to simply shrink it. Unless a whole new discussion is brought up and there's majority agreement on there, I think it should stick with what we decided. 05:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless a vote was held, I am not constrained to one. It's Breeze's blank and if she gives me permission to alter them slightly, which she has, then I shall be doing so. 14:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Alright. Flipped and made to look more like a kitten in general. Shorter tail, stubbier legs, bigger features in proportion to the size of the head, larger ears in proportion to the head. (hates lineart) I know the lines are a bit choppy for now, but I'll be cleaning that up later. 22:37, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

So any discussion that comes to an agreement that isn't a vote can just be ignored if one person says do it anyways? I mean, if you're just flipping them, I don't much care, but that logic makes no sense. Anyways, the legs are almost too stubby, even for a kit, and the one on its right is oddly positioned. 03:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin out the shoulder, it makes the kit look //really// buff lol 03:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there black specks on <--- this side of the image? O.o 17:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Even out the lineart so that it's relatively the same thickness throughout the image, especially on the ears, tail, and the paws. 17:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Spiderstar (Star) - For Approval
eugh, I can never match styles. Commentos? 22:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty! Lighten up the patch of missing fur on his shoulder a bit, and darken the stripes. 00:25, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks! 23:47, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Comments before approval? Wonderful job, Splook. 23:38, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but his stripes look a tad bit more thicker on his other images. 00:17, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Thicker and darker, and the style's different. And you forgot the head stripes. The patch also needs to be bigger, and the stripes should show through it a bit. And there seems to be a chunk cut out of the patch. 00:32, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 00:01, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'll upload tonight. 01:22, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Sigh styles sigh 02:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

CBA, yah? 03:44, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Stripes still need to be much darker, and the patch brighter, and the stripes everywhere thicker, and the base a tad brighter too. 05:02, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 23:58, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

A bit darker still, unless changes aren't showing. imsorry ;-; 03:14, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes aren't really smudged on the other images. They're jagged, but not at all smudged. Get rid of that? 05:00, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Snowstar (Star) ~ For Approval
hi im berry and im a fail <span style="">08:18 Fri Feb 15

Lessen the texture and blur it, he kinda looks like a tabby 21:55, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if it's just the texture, but perhaps darken the shading a bit? I gotta learn texture like that, man... 23:45, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

The texture on the leader is a bit different than this texture and the leader doesn't have a pale belly. owo 00:48, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

...he doesn't /have/ a pale belly. It's just how I did the shading. <span style="">00:54 Sat Feb 16

Re-uploaded <span style="">11:36 Mon Feb 18

CBA?

Sorry, but the texture still doesn't match, it's less stripey on the leader, or maybe just lighter. 01:13, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

It's most soft and almost snowy and cloudy on the leader. I believe gimp actually has a brush that looks very similar to it, and that might be how the texture was mae, combined with some smudging. 04:58, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Mudclaw (Star)- Declined
This is my very first charart! It kinda sucks compared to everyone elses masterpieces but anyway here's Mr. Mudclaw: 01:15, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart should be bigger. though this size could work well for the StarClan kits ouo -Feather 10:11, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the earpink to fill the whole ear. The kit ones need to be the size of our current kit blanks- this is too big. b: 20:24, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded is this too big? i looked at some other chararts and fixed the earpink :3 21:56, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

By the way uhh im leaving to tahoe with a friend veerrrrryyyyyy early tomorrow (sunday) and i'm not coming back till either friday or sunday (my friends parents are thinking about seeing friends in s. francisco) so if the image isn't complete in the next few hours, just have someone take over :L thanks guyzeez

Reuploaded I noticed the lineart was all pixelly and the wiskers looked like he was electrecuted!

The line art is a little but blurry, fix that? Wow, this is fantastic. o.o <span style="">01:49 Sun Feb 17

He's a pretty tabby, maybe smudge the pelt into ear pink, make the ear pink a tad less orange/red? I can't tell what colour it is. I think I can see a bit of waste along the elbow nearest to us - remove that?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Reuploaded Fixed the blurry lineart yesterday, but I'll fix the waste and ear in a sec ;) 15:58, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart still looks funny...are you actually using the correct lineart? o.o Because it seems zoomed in and blurred and really weird.

Urrh I see some waste around 18:08, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Earpink seems too red, shading seems too dark, and he doesn't seem to be mottled enough (sorry if I sounded too critical). 19:05, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 22:03, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's been a week. Declined due to lack of work. 19:08, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about my lack of work, but a while back i said i was leaving for tahoe on sunday the 17th and i just came back. Sorry again! 03:01, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

We haven't made exceptions before, when Obliv was working on Squirrel's deputy and there was a legit reason, the image still got declined, and Oblivion was a SW at the time. I'm sorry. 03:18, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Birchstar (RC) (Star) ~ For Approval
Okay, trying out a charart here. This is the closest I can get to Paleh's leader. Comments?  Giratina is not amused   19:40, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Make the base color and stripes match more. Bbun (talk) 19:44, February 17, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

It looks a little greenish...but I think that's because of the shading.

um, twas I who made the leader image xD Tone down the earpink some. 19:50, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

It says it was uploaded by Paleh. o3o Okay, I re-uploaded and I'm going ot do the earpink.  Giratina is not amused   19:51, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

I originally made it and Paleh made some tweaks. This isn't important but I'm just clearing it up ouo  19:56, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:10, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

The brown needs to match the leader more. It's too light and saturated right now. 04:30, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   04:58, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Since you seem to be having a slightly hard time matching the colors, I figured I'd help you out if you'd like and give you the hexes. #8d6045 for the base, and #714a35 for the stripes. The earpink and eyes you can pick straight of the image so I won't bother with those. But the eyes do need more depth and you seem to be using the highlight in the eye for the whole eye on this, and it's causing it to seem quite neon. Try picking the mid-toned color for the base color of the eye. 09:25, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. x3  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:20, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The stripes were being a real pain because I can't pick the hex codes for the stripes on paint.NET.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:27, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Stripes are too dark now... Earpink's much too bright and the eyes need more depth (probably highlights in the color would work) 06:51, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you maybe darken(or define) the shading, just a tad? 18:03, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   18:38, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if it's how you did the shading, but, the base doesn't seem like it matches now...Perhaps tint it if you didn't already?

Shading on the leader's black though. However I agree, the shading on this seems to be throwing it off, whatever the reason behind it is. 00:22, February 20, 2013 (UTC

I tried... okay. Re-uploaded.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   18:35, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, beautiful! Could you maybe extend the belly shading up a bit? It just seems a little flat there. 18:58, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

And when you extend it the shading on her belly, blur it also. 23:01, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Skywatcher (Star) - For Approval
Here's Skywatcher. I wasn't sure how fluffy to make him, or whether he lost the matted fur look, or whether he has the grey-flecked muzzle and scars, but they are all easy to remove or add. Suggestions for improvement for Skywatcher? 00:26, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

WOW! This is beautiful! His eyes are really pretty! Maybe give the scars a pinkier colour and make the fur along the back more - whats the word I'm looking for? Tufty? Like his elder image on his page - this is awesome! ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Re-uploaded Thanks! I love doing eyes, and also lineart...I think I put Thistleclaw to shame, this is a lot of tufts. Also worked on burning and dodging the scars. Maybe like so? 23:05, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful ;) ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Can you change his nose color to gray, like on his kit? This is fantastic. 01:25, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:05, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there's one slightly unshaded patch on the chest, define or kill, pweeze? 03:46, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thought I'd keep it, so I defined it, made it a little wider, then tried my best to extend the face highlight a little to match it. Changes might not be showing... 23:54, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail just a tad, and blur the highlight(?) on his chest. Very nice. c: 22:01, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Blurred the highlight and then darkened the tail shading by using my old shading and filling it in. :D 01:05, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the flecks on his nose. Make the scars a bit more visible. Sorry if i sound mean.. o.o I didn't mean to 17:20, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded You're good, lol. Filled out the scars a bit with another color, then set the muzzle to a different mode. 03:16, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

This is really fantastic. CBA? 05:28, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, just a minor base color tweak. Needs to be darkened a tad cause he doesn't quite match the other images, and he's not very dark for a dark gray cat. This is fantastic otherwise though, I'm seriously impressed Knight. 08:17, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded, Yay! Thanks! I darkened him a bit, like you said. 18:50, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

CBA again? 19:05, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, and this is partially my fault, I need to tweak the elder. If you look on the loner and rogue, the graying muzzle is more defined, and I didn't match that on the elder and I need to tweak it, and this has to match those images since they are right and my elder is wrong. The shading also seems to be a bit dark on the earpink. 03:21, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I disagree on both of those. The shading in the earpink's fine, and the gray muzzle seems to match the other images well enough. 04:58, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Wolfheart (Star) ~ For Approval
Mkay here we go. I tried out a new shading technique for her. Comments? <span style="">08:25, 02/18/2013

Wow.. that's awesome .o. Probably lighten the shading a tad, but if that's your style, ignore me :3. 14:57, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part on her tail. 17:56, February 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Unshaded part defined. Thanks, Cloudwhisker~ I left the shading alone, because I prefer it darker. <span style="">00:29, 02/20/2013

Blur the shading on the back 03:47, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Blargh I tried. <span style="">03:55, 02/21/2013

Lighten the shading a little? 05:27, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Lightened a bit, not a whole lot. I'll lighten more if it's needed. <span style="">05:44, 02/24/2013

Darkstar (SC) (St) - For Approval
Comments? -Feather 11:29, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

He should be darker and have some black on him. Bbun (talk) 15:49, February 18, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

There's no black on him on the leader image ouo -Feather 16:56, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Because that didn't get the votes needed to tweak it yet. It still needs it, as it's part of his description. Also, this needs to be named File:Darkstar (SC).star.png.

Blur the shading near the haunch and add a bit more. 17:14, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined.

Cloudstar (D) ~ For Approval
!!!! 01:06, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Try to just match the leader rather than the warrior, since the patches on that are being tweaked. 03:06, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean? Like the pattern or the way they're smudged or? 04:15, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Pattern. 04:55, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. . 01:48, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading a bit? 00:54, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hate grey and white cats 02:23, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Feathertail (Star) - For Approved
Woo~ I fail... xP Comments? 01:31, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Give the tail a little more floof?

Smudge her stripes a tad on her shoulder and tail tip to match the warrior. Bbun (talk) 01:50, February 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Re-uploaded Why do I keep on picking the kittehs with tail extensions? 02:20, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Try and round the tip of the tail to be more plumy and like the other images. 04:54, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded No more tail changes... Please no more... o.o  04:49, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

It could be just me, but there's a couple of white pixels on the tail. Remove them? Bbun (talk) 15:57, February 22, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

She looks a bit more lighter in her other images, maybe lighten the shading or the base pelt? 21:46, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh Scarlet, this is fantastic! Perhaps blur the shoulder highlight a tad. If you'd like to. <3333 *steals*

Re-uploaded 04:34, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

I see white bits on <--- this side of the tail. Also blur the eye color. 17:16, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

We don't have to blur the eye color. However, could you make it so it doesn't just...switch so suddenly?

Define the unshading parts on the tail? This is lovely. <3 05:26, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 05:51, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a bit more to match. 08:00, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:52, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Bluestar (Alt Star) ~ CBA
She was called dark gray in MO, which entitles her to this. Comments?

Re-uploaded. Forgot the scar.

I know she's supposed to be dark, but this is pretty much black. Lighter her a couple shades? 05:23, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I think I color picked from the wrong spot. xD

CBA? holy shiz this is pretty o.o 15:40, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

What about the torn ear? 03:22, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I took the lineart from Blue's normal StarClan image, so I'm not changing it.

Okei. Looks fine to me. Repeating CBA? 04:54, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Songbird (Star) - For Approval
;.; But the style of stripes x.x this is going to need a lot of work. 09:11, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

The white paws look a bit gray. Nu don't say that your chararts are lovely and so are you<3

Re-uploaded . 09:55, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on her paws. Asdf I love this .o. 15:39, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Oh..I'm actually not sure that worked. . 20:31, February 24, 2013 (UTC)