Warriors Wiki talk:World

Events Timeline - List
Originally, I planned the Birth / Death list in the Events Timeline to include only major characters so that the table could be overviewed easily, instead of inflating it with large lists (the focus is on presenting the events, not the births / deaths). However, I see that people tend to add minor characters to it as well. So I guess we should decide a guideline for it, to prevent a kind of "edit warring": I prefer the first option, but I'd like to hear your opinions as well.  Helix talk 16:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Add only major characters, and make a separate lists for all births / deaths (or simply use the Nursery / StarClan pages); OR -
 * Add all (or most) characters

I agree with you about the first option. ♥Ice shine★  16:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be cool if we kept this one as a more general one (like option 1) but then worked on another timeline that would go moon by moon and be very detailed. It'd be a large project but it would be pretty cool and definitely be something unique to this site. insane brick'd 14:55, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Insane's idea would be cool. We can keep this Events Timeline general, but if we created another one that was more detailed, that would be something fun to do. 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 15:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that would be really nice, but I don't know if we are able to do it due to the very scarce reference to time intervals, seasons, ages and the like (even the "current" list was quite hard to create). So... it would be quite a challenge... but we love challenges, right? :) I can try figuring out the New Prophecy series, if you wish.  Helix talk 13:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the main series it's not as difficult as it may appear because Gatherings can be used as one-moon markers, the only tough parts are the timeskips between books/series, but we have that mostly figured out from this timeline. I actually started working on something like this on my computer a while ago - I think I got up to A Dangerous Path or The Darkest Hour. If people think this is actually a worthwhile idea I could show you what I have so far. insane brick'd 14:24, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

The only time skip in the original series I can think of in the original series is the three moon skip in Into the Wild. The time skips between series are easier: Original->TNP, five moons+Firestar's Quest+eight moons, TNP->TPoT, however many moons until Leafpool's kits are born+six moons, and TPoT->OotS, six moons even. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 21:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Goldenpaw. ♥Ice shine★  15:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Insane: you have a point with the Gatherings. As for my opinion: yes, your idea is worthwile, and you know that I support any article that supplies information regarding any aspect of the Warriors series. Thanks! :)  Helix talk 18:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I wrote up what I had so far here. it's informal and I may have missed some things, but it's just a quick draft. I was thinking we could use a format for the moon numbers similar to the BCE/CE format for years - Moon 0 being the moon that Rusty joins ThunderClan, and then negative moons would be before that. Just to simplify the numbers if we start adding history from before Into the Wild. When you do a timeline like this, it's really cool because you can see small details and even mistakes... like, did you know that Featherpaw and Stormpaw were apprenticed when they were only four moons old? XD insane  brick'd 12:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Although, for months, I recommend go with "normal" names instead of numbers (like January, February... - or if we wish in-universe terms, Mid-Leafbare, Late-Leafbare...) as it helps the reader greatly to overview the seasons and years.  Helix talk 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say we should put the in-universe terms with the month names in parentheses. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 20:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put the in universe terms, as Goldenpaw said. ♥Ice shine★  16:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

One of the only issues I can see with the draft while skimming is that there isn't the three moon timeskip after Firestar's apprenticed. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 06:10, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that mistake, Goldenpaw, I'll fix it. And my only objection to using month names is that we don't know which month is which necessarily, since we only get the season from the books. Although it might be possible to figure out which is which by knowing that, for instance, the moon right before leafbare starts would be November. insane brick'd 13:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can be found out, in my opinion; there are hints like "early newleaf", "newleaf has just arrived" etc. It is enough to figure out a single month, and the rest will be automatically known.  Helix talk 13:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know all of the months, so I can help out with the article if you like. ♥Ice  storm★  12:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, is this discussion over? ♥Ice  storm★  21:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK so to conclude it, from the above discussion it seems there's an agreement about:
 * The Events Timeline will remain as a general overview, listing only major events and major characters. We will not list the births and deaths of minor characters
 * We will make a more detailed timeline (divided to months), time permitting
 * Kind regards,  Helix talk 06:40, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

So what will the page name be and will we use Into the Wild for a year 0, or use the years on the Events Timeline? I have the time to work on it. (Well, at least until the first week of August.) -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say to use the years on the main Timeline, to avoid confusing members (but first, we should sort out BP for the main timeline... maybe there are more years there). 19:03, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if we use the years on the main timeline, could we still use the 0 and "BC" type of thing, just push it back one year so that it matches up with the Events Timeline? As this'd make it much easier to add previous books without disrupting all the year numbering, and since it's been confirmed that new books will be taking place at earlier times, I think that'd help in the future. Oh, and I think we should call the page "Events Timeline/Detailed" or something along those lines. 13:08, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we could. 14:47, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 18:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree as well. 23:09, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. So shall we create those pages? (comfirmation :P) 02:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sunningrocks
Hi, I know I'm not part of this project, but I just saw the Sunningrocks page, and I think a lot of work needs to be done on it. I thought I should inform this project, because the page on Sunningrocks is an aspect of the Warriors World, and this project specialises in this. I would like to help with the build up of content to this page, if thats okay. Tansyfoot. 15:36, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course, everyone can edit and expand any page, and they are welcome to do so - this is a wiki, after all. :) The article is mainly OK, but could use some expansion, and references must be inserted. 18:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there could be some citations. 02:23, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I did a major expansion of the article and added citations for description and major events. The only thing is missing is the Bluestar's Prophecy section, as I do not have the book, so someone should help out with it. 14:34, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Clan Infobox
As discussed and agreed here - I created the infobox for the Clans and put it on the article of every Clan. See the WindClan page for instance. If you have suggestions for it, or would like it some other way, please tell. It contains some red links - those will be fixed when we create the relevant pages (as discussed). Kind regards, 19:02, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Helix. 01:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

That looks great, now we just need to figure out the subpages. I assume we'll be calling them ____Clan/Ranks, ____Clan/Hunting, ____Clan/Fighting, or something like that? Or for the fighting techniques, would we still keep them on a page like Tail Signals and just have it link to that...? 14:00, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm guessing. 14:01, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

About the Ranks, I see that the Deputy, Medicine Cat etc pages already contain rank succession list, we could just link there. I guess it would be easier to make a single page for Hunting, Fighting etc instead of making 5 or more small pages, and just link to them. Of course, this is only my view, and I'm waiting for the input from all contributors (including if the links should be changed in the infobox). Kind regards, 16:18, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I would kind of go with Insane's idea of the sub-pages, but Helix is correct, it would be more work than putting them all on one page. 17:56, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Moonpool - Silver Nomination
Moonpool looks like a good article to me. I attempted to expand it. I don't know if a history section should be added, probably not though. *shrugs* 19:12, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I am supporting. 21:32, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, I would add some references, expand description and describing in more detail its significance and its discovery. We should also decide if we wish to add a "Book Mentions" section as most other Location articles have. Kind regards, 12:38, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I say yes to adding a Book Mentions. 22:32, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Definitely needs citations. I also like the book mentions idea. Mentions are a good thing. Consistency is good, too. (A style guide for various types of world articles might not be a bad idea...) And it should be noted that because we can't see it/find it, that Facebook reference is no good. It doesn't actually have a link to the reference. 01:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, can I have anybody else's opinion on adding book mentions? 18:37, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Almost all Location articles have Book Mention sections, so we should. 12:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

ThunderClan - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate ThunderClan to a silver nomination. All history is filled in, and seems expanded well. 00:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Moonrise, Dawn, and Outcast through Sunrise could be expanded, in my opinion. 01:43, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I can do Moonrise and Dawn, but I don't own Outcast and haven't read Sunrise (I'm a REALLY slow reader, but I basically know everything that happens) 14:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Moonrise, I'll work on Dawn. 15:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to take this down because I am leaving the wiki tomorrow due to school and acedemic reasons. I'll come back every now and then to say hi, but otherwise, I'm not coming until the end of December, thank you. 22:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I'll finish the article up. 18:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Since the article is absolutely un-cited, it isn't anywhere near ready for silver. Once citations and references go in it might be, though. 14:07, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

What needs to be cited? Tawny (Talk) 20:54, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally I'd say that information before the history section needs citing such as borders, namesake, prey, Clan character, and the territories. The history section I would be inclined to leave for the most part - except where information is debatable, ie. not clear fact/events - as this is the way character history is done. I'd also say that perhaps the ranks need citing (ie. when and who and their deputies - in the case of leaders) Sorry if this is hard to follow, I'm writing in an almost note-like form. 16:11, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I come from the school of "more citations are better". I think Sandstar has a fairly solid proposal for a bare minimum, though. I tend to think that very key events in the history (IE: Major plot twists, significant events that change the world/clan/group) should get cited. 16:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Birth's and Death's Suggestions
Okay, I was thinking about this, and maybe we should do for the Clans Birth's and Death's something like this:

Into the Wild
List the names of Birth's here, so on and so forth with all the books from Into the Wild to Fading Echoes, including Super Editions and Mangas, Field Guides if their any

Into the Wild
Same as under births.

So, whaddya think? Comment below...Please, comments! 18:42, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hm...yes. And I came up for an idea for the format.

Into the Wild

 * Cinderpelt

Born to Frostfur and unknown tom.

I dunno...it's not really coding but xP 23:27, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I made all the coding into preformatted boxes to make it less disruptive to the rest of the page; if you guys want, you can change it back :P Anyways, I'd rather just go with a table for the births and deaths, set up similar to the Mentor or Nursery pages. It'd be less lengthly, and easier to organize imo. 23:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...that seems to make sense. Shall we go right away and create the page, or should it be...approved by a sysop (though Insane herself is a sysop) 00:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait for a couple more opinions. 14:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I actually though about some table, more like the Events Timeline, something like this:

Maybe not by months, but at least by seasons... and maybe use some colour-coding to show if a cat ended up in StarClan / Dark Forest... opinions? :)

Tawny: this is a wiki, a page does not need "approval" before it is created. Anyone can create one; and if we later decide to do it otherwise, or decide that it is not needed, we can simply change or replace the content.

Kind regards, 08:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The table looks cool. Nice job, Helix. That should be used. 12:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

He he...sorry about that, just wanted to make sure I was doing something without blowing the wiki up....and I think this idea is excellent. 14:29, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, but I think we would have a hard time finding the number of seasons for every cat. 17:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

We could probably just use the Events Timeline as a reference, but otherwise, we can do something similar when it comes to birth

I'm not sure if I got the dates right, but you get the idea (I know ShadowClan is messed up, but oh well, I couldn't fix it...;P) 19:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm: Yes, it would. We'll include only the ages that can be calculatet, and leave it blank for the rest. Of course, this was just an idea, waiting for other input as well. :) Tawny: I don't think we need a separate Birth list, as we can simply link to the Nursery, where births are listed by book and Clan, including parents. 06:44, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it sounds pretty good to me, but if the minority of the chart doesn't have the number of seasons, I think we should remove it. But, that's just my opinion. 21:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we should remove the number of seasons. 18:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't the table be a bit long if you add all four Clans? 09:28, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean a bit wide? Yeah, that's possible; in that case I'll most probably separate it by Clan. 12:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * So like, different tables of different Clans? If so, how would the order go? 21:29, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be the best. The order can be Thunder-Shadow-Wind-River, as we have on other articles (e.g. Nursery), but it does not matter really, we can change the sections later. 12:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

The Gorge rewrite
We have an article on The Gorge that presents the gorge on the RiverClan territory in the old forest. However, SkyClan's habitat is called The Gorge as well. Shouldn't the article (or an additional article) describe that instead? Actually, I'm surprised that we do not have an article about SkyClan's habitat - there is so much to write about. :)

What I suggest is to merge the current contents of The Gorge with the River Chell article, then replace it with a description of SkyClan's territory, in a similar manner / format as the Forest and Lake articles. What are your opinions?

Kind regards, 12:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Helix, nice idea. Are there any other opinions? 18:34, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 11:58, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's a very sleek solution, Helix. It makes it simple to retain the existing article under a more accurate title and transfer the title to the more prominent feature that shares the name. The only other option (that I propose here only in case someone else didn't think of it) would be to make the "The Gorge" article a disambiguation page that leads to "River Chell" and "SkyClan Gorge" (or some other, more clever, title). 14:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. SkyClan's gorge is a well name, I don't know any names for it. Overall, I'll wait a couple more days for other agreements, and then, we can work on this. 21:29, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I support Kitsu's option of creating a disambiguation page. 17:25, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Is anything going to be done about this? It has been more than a month since anymore suggestions. 02:19, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article - November '10
Well, we need another featured article for November. I was thinking about Camp or Leader, though, other users may list some as well here. 17:15, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd propose an article that is already (or about to be) silver, and has references in place. Camp is silver, although the references need to be sorted out. Some articles I can think of: Cat Names, Diseases and Injuries, Kit, Warrior. Kind regards, 17:21, October 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really want Diseases and Injuries to become the featured article. Warrior looks very good at this moment. I think those two would be good. 17:23, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

I realize that the shortness of the article does not relate to the quality of it, but I think that an article like Camp deserves the Featured Article spot more, because of the work that was needed to fill out all the information on it, than an article like Kit, which is shorter and would have required less time and work (in my opinion). I also realize that I haven't been a member of this project long enough for my opinion to carry heavy weight, but I putting that weight (however light =P) behind the longer articles, even if they need more work before they can be put up. 04:57, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

I would say Warrior, mainly because the article looks great, and that's what the whole series is based around. I would also be okay with Camp, as the source issue won't take very long at all. 21:54, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

I see that most people wish to feature Camp. I'm OK with it, as long as the citations are sorted out. Most should be inserted from Secrets of the Clans, so as Whitestorm says, it won't take long. Kind regards, 10:57, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * The references were sorted out (thanks Iceheart). If no objections, I will put up the vote for Camp as the feature article in the next days. 12:11, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Vote is up. :) 15:45, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

PW Manual of Style
I've been planning for some months to write a set of guidelines for writing, structuring and referencing World articles, and finally I had the time to draft up something; see here. At this time, it is not a guideline; just some ideas, and it will require discussion and consensus before it is implemented. Please leave any comments and suggestions on the Talk page. Kind regards, 20:20, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Erin Hunter Chat?
I'm not a member of this project, but I had an idea, if you could call it that, for the Erin Hunter chat articles. Instead of having everything set up by bullets, why not create a new heading for a topic on each character (or even Clan) that was revealed? This should make it a lot easier to look for certain information, and when referencing trivia, we can link to the heading, not just the page in general. Any thoughts on this? 19:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Even though I'm not a member, either, it sounds pretty reasonable to me. ^-^ 01:24, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what do you mean? I'm not exactly following this. 01:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm.... I don't know. I would rather not have it. 01:29, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I probably didn't explain that properly... What I meant was that instead of just having everything in a list, we should have it organized by what characte the information was about. Like so:

ThunderClan (Heading 2)

Firestar (Heading 3)


 * His father was revealed to be Jake


 * He lost a life helping Ravenpaw and Barley

Hollyleaf (Heading 3)


 * Squirrelflight suggested the -leaf suffix for her


 * She was revealed to never have powers

And so on and so forth, including the information that was revealed in the chat. The information up there ^ probably wasn't revealed in the same chats nor was it the exact wording used on the Chat articles. It was just an example. And Whitestorm, why not? It'll make it more organized and will make it easier to link to specific sections. 01:39, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, I believe this is good as it is. Is there any other opinions? 01:48, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, Icestorm? Are you agreeing or disagreeing? Sorry, I can't tell... I'm tired. 01:49, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm disagreeing, sorry Oblivion. 01:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's okay, I'm fine with it, and I did ask for people's opinions. But I just want to know why you don't think it would work? I'm not arguing with you or anything, just curious :) 01:59, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that organizing things by topic is sensible. I'm really interested in your reasons for being against it, Icestorm. 05:03, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

It makes sense. And it would be easier, instead of searching around or using Ctrl F to find something they need. 05:05, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea as it would make pages more organized. Instead of just re-iterating what the autor said, why not give it a structure? The question is, how to structure it; maybe it would be an overkill to structure it by individual cats, but doing it by Clans seems OK... depends on the information revealed in any case. 12:11, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking that going off of what the Erin(s) talk about in the chat is the way to do it. Since they're each an individual experience I think that the same list of headings (or types of headings) might not always be applicable. Group is a pretty good assumption for a safe way to split the information. And I'd think if they reveal a number of things about a single cat, using that cat as a heading would be good, too. 13:34, October 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kitsu, do you mean writing down, word for word, what the Erins said in the chat? 16:05, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I very much like our synopsized versions, Though I think we need to reconsider labeling things they've said as incorrect when they were correct at the time they were said. Having an answer change is different than being wrong... But I'm talking about using the topics the Erins answer questions on to define what headings are best for each chat. 16:26, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * :Could you use an example for a heading? I'm still kind of confused... 00:58, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is just instead of having a set of heading we always use, let the content define our headings. Like in Erin Hunter Chat 1, a header like "Writing Warriors" that contains all the information they gave about the process of writing and creating the series might be a nice inclusion, but is unlikely to be needed in every chat. 01:09, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be better to do it by Clan, and have a separate section ofr any miscallaneous information. 21:42, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not part of Project world but I think this is a good idea, and I agree about doing it by clan. Spottedpool76 23:20, October 25, 2010 (UTC) p.s. sorry if the link on my signature isn't working, I'm working on it

Sorry Whitestorm, but I have to disagree with doing it by Clan. It would make it harder to link from trivia sections, but Helix's idea was good, doing it by Clan, then by cat if they reveal a higher number of information. 00:58, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by "cat if the reveal a higher number of information." I don't see that discussed anywhere on this discussion. 01:52, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think Oblivion meant that she agrees doing it by Clan then by cat. But only if it reveals a higher number of info. XD I might be wrong. :P 01:34, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion: I think you meant Kitsu's idea, not Helix's. Anyways, I agree with Helix, that using a separate heading for each character would be too much. 02:16, October 28, 2010 (UTC)