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=Discussion=

Brokenstar being blind?
Shouldn't his description of being blind be removed as he has had his blindness restored in the Dark Forest?

 Starry  Hawk Meow... 03:27, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

No. He died blind ouo 09:30, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

So? Not like death means anything anymore. 01:33, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Good point^^. If his sight's been restored, I don't think it's considered part of the description anymore...

But isn't that his afterlife? Shouldn't his description include his description /at death/? Not after, not way before. 21:55, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Longtail's sight was restored after he died; wasn't it? Shouldn't it be the same for Brokenstar? -- Starry  Hawk Meow... 03:36, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Did we remove blindness from Longtail's description? I see no reason to do so with Brokenstar. 23:56, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Longtail's blindness was removed, it looks like. Should we remove it from Brokenstar, too? Jun 27, 2012; 16:04pm

I personally think we should add the blindness part back into Longtail's article, and keep it in Brokenstar's article. -- 17:54, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh wait, I thought Longtail's was removed for lack of spoilers.... but in that case, I don't know why Brokenstar's is there..... *shrugs* No clue. 23:27, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

But Brokenstar's case of being blind would also cause spoilers. 23:42, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

We got rid of it for Longtail so we should get rid of it for Brokenstar. Sincerely: ChanCharm (Talk) 07:55, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Longtail's failing sight was removed because of spoilers, because it happened after the original series, in FQ, but Brokenstar's blindness was inflicted in Fire and Ice, so it doesn't really count as a spoiler. It's cited and non-spoiler, so I think it should stay. 08:00, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we should include "formerly blind" in their Brokenstar's (and if you want to agree with me since these pages have spoiler tags, Longtail's) description? 00:10, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it...It's still in the afterlife. 18:11, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

If they're not blind anymore, then that's that. Like Shelly said, death doesn't really mean anything anymore and we see them in the afterlife, sight restored. I think it should obviously be mentioned in its respected section but when they're seen dead, state that their sight was restored. 18:22, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Should we add to the Trivia that his sight was restored? 20:08, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

ABout the whole spoiler thing, there are spoiler tags for a reason, if users don't even bother reading the spoiler tags, that's not our fault. But his description is to be kept up-to-date, right? If it is it should be added to his description than. (IMO) 19:45, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Well the problem is that the spoiler tag is below the description, and the description is meant to be spoiler free. Personally, I think we should just move a spoiler tag, it'd make things like this much easier... 05:59, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Moving the spoiler tag wouldn't be that bad of an idea. Pretty much, the entire article is one giant spoiler, so shouldn't the warnings reflect that?

Moving the spoiler tag would work. When I first joined this wiki I always wondered why the spoiler tag was put below the description, as I saw no point in putting it below. Descriptions are never going to be exactly spoiler free so why not move the spoiler tag? o.o 06:38, 01, 09, 2012

I agree with moving the spoiler tag. 17:15, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of moving the spoiler tag. 01:47, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. For one, consistency sake's as it would look odd to have one article with a spoiler at the top, and two, it's not like the spoiler tag is hidden. I mean, it's at the relative top of the page and somewhat sticks out as it's a different color and all. Also, if the reader wants to know more, they can alway look in the history. I think Brokenstar's article is fine as it is. It's portraying the current description we have. 03:34, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I was talking about moving the spoiler tags in general.... like on all the character pages.... it's kind of a pain to have to keep the description spoiler free simply because the spoiler tag is placed a tad too low. That also means we don't have to place to list cites for things like being blind, or Brightheart's scars or things like that, which means we're also not listing all the information we can. I personally think it'd be better to just move the spoiler tags and never have to worry about things having to be spoiler free on there again. 21:15, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this?

Bluestar's Death
Recently, the cause of death on Bluestar's article has been thrown into question.

I'm not here to fight or argue. I'm here to get opinions.

I'm of the opinion that she drowned and that that's the information we should display on her page. She went under and stayed there too long, took water into her lungs that deprived her brain and blood of oxygen, and she died because of it. Put simply, though she died on dry land, she drowned, even if it was dogs that dragged her down and shock may have been part of what killed her. But going on that logic, we could throw into question every cause of death. We could put in that Halftail was killed by Fireheart instead of smoke inhalation.

So, opinions? What information on her death should we display on her page? Killed by water or drowned? 02:15, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

This is on her talk page as well, Shelly. So, I'll place what I put there here as well.
 * Why do people keep saying she drowned? She didn't. If you guys re-read what happened, it wasn't just the water that killed her. To say she drowned is an assumption, because there were also multiple other factors that played a major part in her death, including old age, the dogs, and the pressure of the water itself. She fell off a cliff, for StarClan's sake. I don't think her death should say "drowned", because that's clearly not what happened. Read the prologue of Bluestar's Prophecy again. If she drowned, would she have been able to speak or anything because of the water in her lungs? I don't think so. If her mind had been deprived of blood for too long and she died because of that, she wouldn't have been able to speak, let alone apologize to her kits. 

I am under the assumption that she died of complications, not only from the water, but from her fall and old age. I'm not sure how you would word that exactly, but drowning comes from not being able to breathe, and she was able to breathe in a few gasps, and like Cloudy said, speak a few words. I mean, if she was a younger cat, she may very well have not died from that ordeal. So let's compromise and find a way to word it as complications from these multiple factors, if that's what we come to an agreement on ^^ 03:38, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Also I'd like to point out that drowning happens while you're in the water and unable to breathe, not on land after it's been established you can talk and your lungs are clear kthxbye.

We don't know her exact cause of death, and there was something I believe Shelly said we would never do when I suggested cause of death: Assume. "Killed by water" is actually really dumb if you think about it. Did the water grow claws and cut her throat open? She did not drown, so therefore she was not killed by water. I say we remove it altogether. 03:42, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

She didn't drown, and the water most definately didn't suddenly grow teeth and bite her throat. What could have happened was a simple case of heart failure from being under the pressure of water too long. Contributing fators would've been old age, deppression, anxiety, etc. but in the end, her heart might not have been able to survive the pressure of the water. Sure, she managed to get out and speak for a bit, but remember, she was very weak and if memory serves, she was panting and gasping, a sign of a heart attack or heart failure. Her heart couldn't withstand the water pressure, and so, imho, that's why she died. 09:49 Tue Aug 28

As Berry said, there could have been heart complications involved with her death. She maybe also could've been very stressed out. So, basically, I'm with Berry here.

I'm inclined to believe that while she showed symptoms of a heart attack, she could have also had a panic attack too. She was under a lot of stress at the end of her life and suddenly, there she was, in the water which she had been told would destroy her. She also had enough energy to try to swim again. So most of the most fatal factors that played a part in her death (e.g panic attacks, shutting down of body systems) were related to water. Of course, other factors contributed, but you could just refer to them as "other factors" as there are too many to list.  Millie  Purple   is   Perfection  10:24, August 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let's try and not complicate her death. Sure other factors played in, but we can scrutinize every other death and put a capacious list of factors that went played in their death when a simple answer would suffice. In fact, you can claim that being born played into someone's death and why not list every scratch they had in their life since somehow, I'm sure someone can find a way how it relates to their death. Now, yes, I'm being hyperbolic, but honestly heart complications, old age, water pressure, and the likes? Unless everyone actually wants to throw every single death into question and dissect it like a fetal pig, I highly recommend narrowing it down to one reason.


 * I also would like to kill the assumption that it was heart failure or a heart attack. Words and phrases like "might", "to believe", "in my honest opinion" or the likes show that it's completely and utterly questionable and unless we get an author's confirmation, I completely disagree to adding it in. Plus, "panting and gasping" could just mean she was out of breath when she ran head on into the dogs or couldn't breath underwater.


 * While drowning may or may not be the reason we chose, it does seem like the lack of oxygen killed her whereas it could be disproved by the fact that she talked. I'm much more inclined to list something like "over fatigue". 22:53, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well honestly, I'm not sure we should really put anything there. IT was a bunch of factors combined that killed her, and there's no specification whatsoever that says what eventually was the real cause of death. Unless it's said somewhere how she died, then I don't think we should actually list any information. Maybe at most something like "Multiple complications" or something, but to single anything out would be assuming, just as we are for drowning. 05:50, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should put "Multiple factors", or something like what Paleh suggested. Or, perhaps we could just leave it blank and add somewhere, like in the Trivia perhaps, that there are too many factors that contributed to her death in order to make a proper decision as to what the /actual/ cause of death is.

Actually, yes, having "Multiple Factors" is quite a good idea, since we don't know what actually killed her. So, yeah, I'm for Paleh's idea. 06:48 Sat Sep 22

Have we come to a conclusion on this?

Willowshine
Alright, in Mistystar's Omen, Mistystar temporarily dismisses Mothwing as medicine cat when she discovers that Mothwing doesn't believe in StarClan. Since we're going with Marshscar having been leader if only for a few pages, could the same be said of Willowshine? She was, if only for a bit, the sole medicine cat in RiverClan. And Mothwing was in rank-limbo at the time, too, but there's no need to do anything about that. 21:41, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

I guess that she would, with her being the only medicine cat at the time. I literally just finished reading the section where this happens. 21:43, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. If Mistystar actually dismisses Mothwing, Willowshine is automatically head medicine cat.

Yup. However I have something to bring up about MCA's in general.... hold on. *goes to start separate discussion* 04:08, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

True, she was the sole medicine cat at the time. 06:50, 16, 09, 2012

Agreed. 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Are we all in agreement?

Ordering of History on Character Pages
Hey all. I was just editing Longtail's page, moving the super edition arc to sit above the Original Series arc since that's how we do things, but then I wondered...

Why can't we just keep the character pages in chronological order so they make more sense? And that way users scrolling down the pages won't get spoiled about Firestar's Quest when they're just looking up something from Fire and Ice.

And if a character, for instance, appears in both Bluestar's Prophecy and Firestar's Quest, then I suppose we could have two separate sections for super editions. Wouldn't be so difficult in my opinion.

Anyway, just a thought. Take it or leave it. 03:35, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I've always wondered why we didn't do it that way. I never thought to bring it up because I thought I'd get shot down, but nice to know I'm not alone. When I first started reading Warriors, with the SE's at the top, I got spoiled with a lot of info even though I tried just scrolling past it. I agree that it should go chronilogically instead. 04:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have the main series first, /then/ have the super editions, graphic novels, ect. I'm not entirely sure we can do it chronologically, because we don't have an official timesetting for some of them, like SkyClan's Destiny, and the Ravenpaw and SkyClan graphic novels. So, unless you want to have assumptions as to where they go, I think just moving the entire section down to below the main arc. Personally, I think it should go


 * Main Arcs -> Super Editions -> Novellas (since they are still stories) -> Short Stories/Plays -> Field Guides -> Graphic Novels

Or, at least something like that. Don't shoot me, but I don't think separating the Super Editions and things like that would be a good idea. They should all be within the same grouping...because we don't actually know the ordering for some of them. Like, take for example SkyClan's Destiny. We know it come after Firestar's Quest and before Midnight. But, does it come before or after Ravenpaw's Path? Added to the SkyClan and the Stranger novels...where do /they/ fit into the timeline? There's an whole tangent I could go off on about the ordering of the books, but, I stand by keeping the sections together.

I think that the pages are fine as they are, the way that they're orginized now is easier for newer users, to understand where everything goes. If we had super editions scattered around the history, and a new user wanted to add one, for instance Yellowfang's Secret when it comes out, they'll be lost as to where to put it. Though, I wouldn't be opposed to doing what Cloudy suggested. 11:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, it makes sense as to the confusion on where some of the special books would go, chronologically. However, I do think the main 4 story arcs should go first, as that is probably what readers will be reading first (plus they are the most affordable. I think the price tag on mangas is rediculous). You've changed my mind Cloudy. 15:13, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I find it fine. There's a spoiler tag and users should read at their own risk. It was decided in 2010 to have this set order and I see no valid reason why we should change it. 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC) I wouldn't mind going by cloudys order of events. As pointed out above the main arcs are the major arcs and the ones users are most likely to read first. So I'm with Cloudy's suggestion. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC) (DJ)

Hmmm.... ya know, Teldy's right, the order was agreed on, and the spoiler tag's there way above the history. If they don't want something spoiled, they shouldn't be reading the history. The order seems fine as is I think. 01:36, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Half Moon name
the first in a series of discussions till my to-do list is empty Alrighty, so I'm running on very little sleep and am kind brain-dead right now, so I'll just skip to the point. I think we should change Half Moon's page name, and possible her name in the charcat. She was called Stoneteller once. And we have no proof that she took that on as a name rather than just a rank, like leader/healer. She has since been mentioned consistently as Half Moon, not Stoneteller, including all through TLH. Jayfeather even still calls her that. It's very possible that the tradition of taking that as their name may not have started yet, as she was the first Stoneteller after all. So with that all in mind, I propose that we change the page name back to Half Moon, and possibly removing Stoneteller as a name from her charcat completely unless further proof can be found that she did take it on as a name. Even if proof of that is found, it's still clear that Half Moon is her current name, and the page name should be changed regardless. Thoughts? 08:19, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Paleh. Since she was apparently "the first Stoneteller", the tradition probably didn't actually start til after her. After all, the founding Clan leaders apprently never took on the "-star" suffix, and Half Moon was only called "Stoneteller" once, anyways. o3o  08:26 Wed Sep 26

Someone told me the reason her name is how it is was because even Jayfeather called her Stoneteller. But, that was only one time. We have proof after the events of Sign of the Moon that contradict that statement. She's been called Half Moon by //every// other cat who has been in contact with her; even after she died, and a new cat succeeded her as leader/healer/Stoneteller/ect. If she's still called Half Moon /after/ her death, it's pretty clear to me that her name was never Stoneteller. I agree with moving the page back to 'Half Moon'. We're pretty much assuming she took the name, when it's pretty obvious she didn't.

I never thought about that, but you're completely right. I'm not 100% on removing it from her page altogether just yet, but undoubtedly, her name did not change. Like the first leaders, they were called Thunderstar, Windstar, ect once and they are not listed as such. 15:38, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. She was called Half Moon after her death, so that most likely means her name didn't change. 16:56, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you all. Obviously the Ancients/Tribe had no intention of calling her that, it would just seem like a title at the time. No one calls Firestar "leader" when talking to him.-- 21:06, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, what more can I say, what ith everything that's already been said? 21:41, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that her name is Half Moon, but I feel I should point out this. It's linked in the trivia on Rock's page. Vicky states that though Rock was the first Healer, it was Half Moon that held the title and name of Stoneteller to begin with. So the author statement should be taken into account. Maybe Stonetellers take on their old name when they die to avoid confusion in the Tribe of Endless Hunting or something. 21:54, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

It never says anything about her taking the name, just the title. Unless I'm looking at the wrong part of the page of course (which I very well might be... derp). But that's even more reason for me to think that she never took on the name, just the title, as Vicky doesn't mention it. 23:29, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that she shoudl be called Half Moon. In SoTM, Jayfeather calls her Stoneteller once. The book still refers to her as Half Moon. Doesn't mean she didn't take on the title though. But idk, that's just me. 01:40, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I've added trivia to her page about this confusion, but if we do change the page name back to Half Moon, what would we add to her charchart next to her Healer rank? "Unknown, possibly Stoneteller or Half Moon"? Seems a bit lacking, I'm sure someone else can come up with a better way to handle it. 16:14, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with changing her name to Half Moon. She never was actually named as Teller of the Pointed Stones so therefore we are assuming she received her name. As for the name on the charcat, I say unknown would do, as we aren't really sure if her name was half moon or stone teller. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC) (DJ)

I'm pretty sure we'd add Unknown into the charcat because that's what we've done on mose other pages.(here, here, and here) =3 20:23, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 21:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Content Drive
The content drive has been Onestar for over a year and two months now, and I think it's safe to say that he's article needs not be the content drive. So with that, who do you guys think needs to be the content drive? Or, do we even need a content drive currently? 22:23, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if we really need one, I quickly browsed through a few articles, and maybe Squirrelflight(quite a bit of her history could use expansion) or Sharpclaw (SC) (All of his history needs to be expanded, especially SkyClan's Destiny). I dunno, just a few ideas. =3 22:59, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sharpclaw is an idea, and while we may have to nominate already "silver" (or maybe even gold) characters, I'd like to hold off on that until we have all possible bronze, started, or planned characters out of the way. =) 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I decided to go through the started, and bronze categories, and I have two more suggestions, Bird That Rides the Wind (needs expansion to history and more quotes), and Smallear(All of his history needs expansion, especially BP, also the quotes could be gone through). So, yeah, just throwing ideas out there. owo 20:32, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Allegiance Only Category
~On the second day of discussions Atelda gave to me; a cool wiki clock and brand new family trees~

So I was thinking, since we have Main, major, supporting, and minor categories for characters, why don't we have an Allegiance Only characters category? Always thought it might be a useful thing to have, and it can never hurt to have more categories to keep things more organized. What do you guys think? 22:14, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea, like you said, it would keep everything organized. =D 02:09, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Paleh, I agree. Having an allegiance only characters category would make it easier to organize the character pages, since they don't really fit in with minor character, because they're less than minor o3o 02:17 Fri Sep 28

ihu I agree. 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing 100%. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC)(DJ)

This would be used for characters like Leaftail, correct? Personally, I think it's a good idea..

I don't know if it would be for Leaftail, as he was mentioned outside of the allegiances. =3 20:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, true. But, he was mentioned, and not actually shown. His name was seriously said /one time/. And even then, it was in passing. To me, that still counts as an allegiance only, since he didn't actually physically appear.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 02:50, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Official art contradiction to new descriptions?
Oh whee another discussion. Teldy must love me~

so I've been talking to a few people about this over a period of time, and I figured I'd bring it up. I think we should use the official art (CotC, manga, book covers, etc.) as proof against descriptions that seem like obvious mistakes. Like, say Cinderpelt was described as a tabby (she was described as a pale gray one, but that's a totally different story...), we all know she's not one, but she's never been called solid to contradict that. However we have official art for her that shows her as solid. I think we should use it in those cases. Now I know a lot of you are probably gonna argue that the official art has too many mistakes and that we can't use it, but really, the books have more mistakes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't trust them and be able to cite them. We'd just have to trust them unless we have proof against it, just like any book description.

What do you guys think? 03:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

ihu They are official since they're published in the books, but I don't think the artists are aware of the descriptions in the book, or if they are, it's probably a vague idea though I'm assuming. But I do agree that we should have pictures representing the official art since even the books have description mistakes, of course, unless it's contradicted. 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

They're published by HC, and released by them. Therefore, the designs shown in them are canon, regardless of whether we like it or not. We used the manga for descriptions before, so what makes this any different? We'd just be using them to contradict descriptions, and I think the artist that draw them /are/ aware of the descriptions. Perhaps they're given a copy of the characters present on the books, and the storyline, or something like that. I'm not sure how that goes, but since they /are/ official, they should be put to good use.

I agree with everyone above me, these are official art pieces, and therefore should be considered a valid cite for descriptions. 01:23, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lichen - Lichenfur, assumption?
I've been thinking about this for a while, and thought I might brign up the question here to see what you guys think. Is saying Lichen is Lichenfur an assumption? Their descriptions weren't exactly the same, there was no mention of Lichen getting a name change, and as far as I know, there's no proof that they're actually the same cat. I mean, yes, it seems obvious and would make sense, but it seems like an assumption to me. I s'pose we could try and ask Vicky, but right now from current book proof, I don't think we have any confirmation it's her. It could be argued that since it did say Lichen joined SkyClan, and there was no other cats names Lichen that we can safely assume it's her, and that her fur could have faded to gray, but it still seems kind of far fetched to take that as proof in my opinion. Thoughts? 22:06, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think that it's an assumption, though I'm pretty sure we have some solid ground to stand on. 19:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Adderfang, Spottedleaf's father?
I'm very unsure about this, so hopefully you guys can help come to a decision. Here a fan asks which of Spottedleaf's parents was a SkyClan descendant, Adderfang or Swiftbreeze, Vicky states that she thinks it's Adderfang. Now we have no cite for Adderfang being Spottedleaf's father, however in here, Vicky shows no doubt in Adderfang being Spottedleaf's father, just in him being a SkyClan descendant. However since she did include the word think in there, I'm unsure whether to add it. What do you guys think, should we add it as a cite for him being her father, or no? 22:06, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that that's what we should do, and add the bit to the trivia about him possibly being a SkyClan descendent into his trivia. But then it would raise the question of which one of his parents were the SkyClan descendent if he were proven to. I hope I make sense. 19:18, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's enough to cite him as their father. 20:25, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that's enough proof...since Vicky didn't say she /thinks/ Adderfang was the father, but instead said that she thinks he's the SkyClan descendant. Because if Adderfang wasn't the father, I think she would have said so.

I don't know because Adderfang couldn't be the only cat in ThunderClan to have had a SkyClan ancestor. Spottedleaf could've gotten her SkyClan blood from somewhere else. If we have no proof that he is the father, we can't add it. Although she never really did say that he wasn't... This is a dilemma. It could really go either way, I guess. 02:40, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky says she thinks. If we use this to cite Addefang as Spottedleaf and sibling's father, we may as well change Gorseclaw (WC)'s description to what Kate thought it was. These are the author's thoughts and opinions on the matter. The key word in that comment is think, Vicky says "I think it's Adderfang" not "It's Adderfang". So no, I don't think we should use this to cite Adderfang as the father of Spottedleaf. 07:08 Wed Oct 3

Yes, but Vicky is talking about thinking that Adderfang has SkyClan blood. She shows no appearent hesitation to him as their father. 12:19, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, if she was unsure of him being her father, don't you think she would have said something? She only said she thinks her was a SkyClan descendant. 16:08, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Badgerpaw - Badgerfang?
K, I know probably no one's read it yet, but after Badgerpaw's death, they refer to him as Badgerfang, at least more than once. Would this be enough to have him renamed as Badgerfang? 00:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oooooooh, would that mean he gets a warrior image as well? xD That would be amazing. Anyways, if he's //called// Badgerfang, then I don't see why not. As long as it can be cited... and I used the browse inside and found at least three mentions. That's good enough for me.

Sorry, but I don't think that that's enough, he never had a ceremony, and it was basically a nickname. If we did that, then we might as well make Heathertail a leader charart and categorize her as a leader, from the game she was playing when she was an apprentice. Sorry, but that's my opinion. =3 00:42, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I'm finished reading the book, I think his page should be renamed, after his death they only call him Badgerfang. 21:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

That still doesn't make it more than an honored nickname. Badgerpaw died an apprentice, technically still a kit. Unless he was seen in StarClan as a warrior and there he answers to the name Badgerfang or something, I wouldn't change his page name. 22:39, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I say no as well. There was no ceremony; Flintfang only called him Badgerfang after he died. Just because Yellowfang (wow, a lot of -fangs here) called him Badgerfang does not mean that it is his official name. It was done to honour him. 02:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Flintfang does say, however, that he gave him his warrior name before he died. It doesn't say a nickname, or anything of the sort. It actually says his warrior name.

Troutfin
I don't have the book, but it seems that the name Troutfin was changed back to Milkfur in the official release. So, what, delete the page and make trivia on Milkfur's page about the mistake? Or what? 19:24, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Delete the page, yes, since the character isn't used, I'd say. Trivia sounds like a good idea, too....

Agreed. And make a redirect page, like we did for Moonflower's other name (wasn't she called Duskflower?) and Hunchfoot. 20:23, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Moonflower /was/ called Duskflower, yes. A redirect would be a good idea too, since it's clear they fixed the obvious error.

I agree with everything above, he wasn't in the book so he shouldn't get a page. 21:52, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt's Mentor
Okay, even though I joined 5 minutes ago this seems important to me, in Battles of the Clans Cloudpelt's mentor is Crowtail, while in Yellowfang's Secret it is Raggedstar. Currently his mentor is Crowtail and Raggedstar's mentorship is a mistake. On Crowtail's page Cloudpelt is her apprentice. It has been disproved by Yellowfang's Secret that Brokenstar is Raggedstar's apprentice, and on Raggedstar's page Cloudpelt is his apprentice and not Brokenstar. If Brokenstar is not his apprentice then Cloudpelt needs to be, or vice-versa, because if both aren't then Raggedstar dosen't have the one apprentice requirement for leader. On Brokenstars page Nightpelt and Raggedstar are listed as mentors, while it should be only one. On Nightpelt's page it lists Brokenstar as his apprentice. We need to decide which to trust, Secrets of the Clans and Battles of the Clans, or Yellowfang's Secret. I think we should change it to the way it's listed in Yellowfang's Secret way because Secrets of the Clans has had mistakes before. Comments and opinions? I rambled a while, I know. 03:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky told us through a Facebook comment to trust the super editions more than the field guides. I think, based upon that knowlege, we should list it as Raggedstar. 03:14, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I never knew about the post, but I knew the field guides were wrong. Battles of the Clans explains why Crowtail's and Cloudpelt's are wrong, but I don't know about the others. 03:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if they were seen in a book about their Clan that it should stay the way they were most often seen, which, in Cloudpelt's case is Raggedstar, and Brokenstar's is Nightstar. x3 11:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll go change it, since everybody seems to agree. 22:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

...It's been a day since you've posted this, only three people have commented of which includes you and this project has 19 listed members. 22:37, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh.. Okay, I'm new at this. I'll change it back. Sorry! 23:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

If Vicky said to trust the super editions, then we should. I agree that we should put Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 23:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that Raggedstar is Cloudpelt's mentor. The field guides have too many mistakes; we should follow along with the super editions, not just because Vicky said so, but because there's way more true fact in them than the SE's. :3 08:12 Thu Oct 18

Yes, with the super editions we have way more proof of what was real, and they go into more depth about the characters, instead of just stating things like in a short story, so I agree that we should state Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. 01:45, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Red
I'm not really part of the project anymore, though I'd like to be added back in.

I noticed something in YS. On page 144, Red says she is not a kittypet, and we have classified cats as ranks they believe//said they held (Clovertail, Leafstar.) On the following page (145) it says, As Brackenfoot lead the rogues away, Yellowfang spotted Foxpaw watching with... blahblahblah The last part's not important. But it said Brackenfoot lead the ROGUES away. When on the previous page, Red//Russetpaw//fur says, ''Adressing Cedarstar with a polite dip of her head, she went on. "You impressed us when you fought with us. You showed us your strength and skill, but you showed us mercy too."'' So that tells me she has more than a shred of respect for the Clans. Rogues don't really pay attention to that stuff, they're just hostile. Would that classsify her as a loner. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 02:29, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

If she was said to be a rogue, then she'd be a rogue, no matter how nice they are. x3 Also, I'll add you back in, please refresh on the guidelines. Welcome back! =) 02:35, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Right, thanks =) Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 02:36, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Mallowfur - Silver Nomination
I checked, and the history is expanded to the max and she has the only quote that describes her. Comments? 23:10, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cite her warrior name and add her post-death with a cite, otherwise I see nothing wrong. 20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Finished, though she was never mentioned as a warrior so I changed it to her given name. 21:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 02:38, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up. However, if she's never mentioned as a warrior, she shouldn't get a charart then, correct? 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think so, but Aspentail got one and I don't think she was ever mentioned as a warrior(If I remember right, I don't have Code of the Clans right now so I can't check). Would you like me to remove it? 22:29, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, she wasn't, and so both Mallowfur and Aspentail have chararts despite their rank being unknown. Let's not remove it yet and see what the others think. 22:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Stonetooth ~ Silver Nomination
His article looks fine to me. There aren't any more quotes. Comments? 22:47, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

If possible, please remove the direct quote, and expand Night Whispers. 23:22, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

M'kay. 15:25, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Has Night Whispers been expanded? 20:20, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Still working on this, Sweet?

If no one's working on this, I could take over. :3 <span style="">08:30 Wed Oct 3

Let's give Sweet two more days, Berry, as stated in the guidelines, she gets three weeks. =3 20:17, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Cany you add in YS, and possibly find a few more quotes, if you'd like any help with YS I can help. =3 02:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm gonna need help with YS. Thanks Ducky :3 <span style="">04:59 Thu Oct 11

OK, I expanded YS and added two quotes for Berry. =) 21:52, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks heaps, Ducky! I've added a bit to Night Whispers. :3 <span style="">02:04 Fri Oct 19

CBV? 02:37, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up! 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Poppydawn ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded/detailed her history best I could, and I added a few more quotes. I haven't finished reading Yellowfang's Secret yet, so I don't know if she appears or not. I'll edit that when I can. Other than that, comments? 21:22, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible to expand the various times when she is seen helping around the camp? Also, are there any other quotes that show her personality? 21:29, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Add in Yellowfang's Secret, please. =3 20:25, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I can't really find any quotes that show her personality, just those few that I thought were okay to put in, though I'll try to look for more while I look at ''Bluestar's Prophecy. And yes, I just added in Yellowfang's Secret''. 21:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I deatiled Bluestar's Prophecy and I couldn't really seem to find a quote that really fit her personality, but I added another one in. 17:37, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything else for BP or CP? x3 04:32, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

She is only seen once in CP, at the gathering, and I believe I added all I could to BP. 12:43, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 02:38, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up! 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Owlfur ~ Silver Nomination
Well, Bluestar's Prophecy and BotC look fine, but I'll see what I can do with CotC and BP. Comments? 23:35, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly expand/detail the last three paragraphs in CP. =) 02:53, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I got the last paragraph but I couldn't get the two above it. 21:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I detailed CotC but BP looks fine. 21:21, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 02:38, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up! 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ashheart ~ Silver Nomination
I've expanded her history to the maximum and have added all quotes that give away her personality. -- 01:11, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? I see nothing wrong with this. =) 02:43, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up! 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Amberleaf ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded her history to the maximum and have added four quotes that describe her quite well. -- 18:44, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

The last quote in the quote section I suggest removing as it's describing both Amberleaf and Foxheart in a manner unknown to the reader. 20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

The quote has been removed. -- 21:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sky (Leader) - Silver Nomination
Comments? I've been meaning to nominate him for awhile. x3 21:11, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Pixie - Silver Nomination
Added the only quotes that showed her personality and the history looks good. Comments? =D 21:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

In the first paragraph of Yellowfang's Secret, can you just explain/put in that they are at the Twoleg place? 17:24, October 27, 2012 (UTC)