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Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ For Approval
Phew..Wanty, you are one amazing artist to be able to do this. c: Well, I tried my best. c: Comment away! 21:40, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think the earpink needs to fill a little more of the ear?

The texture seems to fade when it reaches the shading, and I don't see the light source. Blur the shading and define the pale parts on the rogue. 22:18, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My texture looks more amazing then I thought it would. o.o I surprise myself..xD 02:46, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the chest texture flow more with the body? 03:43, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

And perhaps smudge it and add different layers of varying intensity? As it is, it doesn't appear to match the rouge slightly. You're on the right path though, and it's getting there. Could you also have the shading flow a little better with the shape of the cat? On the haunch, for example, it appears to be a straight line, when I believe it should curve a little more...

I think I see some waste on the far side on the far ear, and there seem to a few lighter areas at the top part of the tail near the tip. Awesome job, though. 14:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, the body texture seems closer to the real thing than when I did it. Anyway, the highlights seem to be uneven so can you fix that (make them more even)? Thanks for the compliment.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 23:13, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hope that fixed what everyone was asking...Thanks Cloudy, Bluestar, and Wanty. c: You're welcome, Wanty. You're an amazing artist. 14:01, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think there is some lineart missing on the tail, the area on the body where the tail overlaps the body, the underide of the legs, and by the far eye. Could just be me though. 14:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I just checked the lineart and I saw nothing missing..but keep up the good work, Frosty! 14:59, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

The lighter chest and muzzle do not seem to be there, and make the shading blend into the pelt more, and you can do that by blurring it tons. I know shading darkness is artist's choice, but can you lighten the shading, which will help it blend?(Not too light, though)  Also, make the earpink fill the whole ear. 20:46, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the shading curve a bit up a more on the end of his haunch/back? 23:07, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Rave. c: 12:32, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading overall.

Define the light on the forepaws. 17:48, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

It may just be my iPad again but the shading shows up completely black. May I also ask to shade a little of the chest? It's a bit flat. 02:12 Mon Oct 14

I think it's your iPad, because it doesn't look that dark to me. o.O

Re-uploaded. I understand the different views..My computer is at a high stand, so I kinda get the effect of you looking up at it and it's that weird blue-white thing. xD So I have to stretch myself up a bit before I examine my own image, or someone elses. But yeah, it doesn't appear that dark to me. And instead, if I did lighten it, then it wouldn't match the rogue. *shrugs* 12:33, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blurred lineart on the tail. wow, this is so much better than my attempt I did on my computer e.e 00:55 Tue Oct 15

Re-uploaded. Thank you. :3 13:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there's no shading on the chest whatsoever. Should that be like that? I highly doubt that, given your light source. It's the same one I use on my StarClan blanks, I believe. Which those have light sources lol

Re-uploaded. I'm liking the new name, Snowman! c: lol those are where I took my inspiration for my shading, thank goodness it's a correct one! xD 13:09, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm the chest is shaded on the wrong side it caves in 05:45 Fri Oct 18

He needs the rumpled fur, I believe, since he wasn't mentioned without it in StarClan.

Re-uploaded. Hope this was what you were looking for.. 20:29, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the rumples match more? 21:16, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this was what Hawkeh meant but could you make the rumples look more like the fur? Right now they look like a bunch of lines.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 02:28, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I believe that she means make then match the rogue's. 13:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Sorrel. That's what I meant. Thank you for explaining. 15:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make the rumples... go with the fur, as well? Like, flip the ones of the side round to go with the flow of the fur. 21:03, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why would she have to match the rumples with the rogue's? I believe that should be artist's choice. 12:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. It's whatever..Anyway, I redid him to match the rogue more. I darkened him to match, made the texture to match, and even followed the rumple style, and made it flow with the fur. Sorry it's been a few days, I've been busy. Hope it looks good. c: 12:39, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

The texture is a little too defined. Decrease the opacity? 00:33, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

the face and tail texture need to go with the flow of the respective areas 02:22 Wed Oct 23

Define overall shading and extend the earpink, make sure you smudge it and not blur it. It should look a little fuzzy due to him being a longhaired cat. Also would you like the file for him? 07:31 Wed Oct 23

Yes, please! That would help out a bunch. My email is darkfrosty.frosty@gmail.com if you want to send it through there. c: 20:28, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks for the file, Raven. c: And I'll get to fuzzying up that earpink as soon as I can. For now, I lowered the opacity on the texture. And Kel, the texture is already flowing with the fur, so there is nothing really to change. And if you wanted it to all flow straight down, then that would totally squash the idea of his fur being rumpled, and I might as well take them off. So yeah, that's my opinion of that matter. 16:58, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, Darkfrost. It should flow more with the body, and they look more like lines with a slight curve to them. I believe there would be at least more variation with the curve, instead of it being straighter... she's not saying it should flow straight down. She's saying it needs to flow with the cat. It's not all going to be facing one direction.

Re-uploaded. 02:18, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

The texture looks a bit thick, so could you make it thinner? Sorry if you don't get what I mean.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 12:21, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken the texture and make it flow more with the body, as it seems to be only straight lines. 14:04, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

The ear pink looks very blotchy, and the muzzle shading looks very dark compared to the rest of him. Match the raggedyness from the rogue more. 20:38, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I understood, Wanty. c: 13:02, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

What happened to the ear pink? I can't see it anymore?

Darken and seperate the texture quite a bit. 22:17 Mon Oct 28 22:17, October 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried a different texture color, which helped with alot of the problems mentioned. And sorry, Snowy. xD I accidentally shaded that ear too much on that version. 23:48, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Try and make the ruffled fur a bit finer; right now it looks a little wooly 04:01, October 30, 2013 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined.

Re-uploaded. I hope this made him look more ruffled then wooly..Sorry Snowy, I was having an extremely busy week! Do any of you think this looks close to the rogue? Because sometimes when I'm working on it I get extremely discouraged, since I feel as if I'm not matching up to Bloo's incredible work. 23:02, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

He's too light; both in base and in general coloring. Normally the shading would make it darker, but this time the shading's thin so it's not really dark... he looks almost light gray and he should be black.

Re-uploaded. I think this turned out amazing... 01:37, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Add a bit of depth the shading. The ragged/rumpled fur looks a tad too spikey and out of place. Maybe try this? (use it, use it as a base, or don't use it- doesn't bother me. 14:26 Mon Nov 4

Did you forget to fill in the nose? Fill it with black. Looking good! 22:10, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sorrel! I'll have it up later. And yes Berry, I'd be glad to use it. c: 13:20, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

He needs to be lightened. He looks pure black right now, rather than dark gray. The rogue is a bit lighter than this.

Wow, yeah, Paleh's right. Partially disregard my comment up there about him being black; I'm getting my characters mixed up. Could you extend the ear pink in the middle of ---> ear a couple pixels?

Re-uploaded. If changes are not showing:   21:32, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Comments please? I wanna get this approved. 13:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth. 17:18 Thu Nov 7

Re-uploaded. More comments? ^-^ 21:31, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Queen Blanks - CBA
As requested, I kept the same posture and basic pose, but I did switch which legs were up and which were down, simply because it's about 10x easier and faster to do them at this angle, and I'm sure you guys are getting a bit impatient waiting for these to be approved by now. Comments?

Yay for Paleh! Maybe scrunch the forehead down a bit; it seems a bit high to me. 00:37, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Define the toes on the hind leg off the ground. Maybe give the face a more feminine look? This is amazing! Those are pretty much the only things that need tweaking, in my personal opinion. 00:39, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's a cat? Cats don't specifically look feminine or not. This looks like a cat, so it's alright. o.O The only adjustments to the face that I can see is to do what Scar said. 00:40, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm not defining the toes. They simply wouldn't be very defined at this angle, and if I define them it will look very silly I assure you. And as leggy said, she shouldn't look any more feminine than another cat. The eyelashes are there, and that's all we use to define them as females on here. No reason to do any different.

Should the whiskers be that long? If that's intentional, then you don't have to change it. These are neat and I can't wait to use them. *.* Can I just approve them now lol

Just a personal preference, so feel free to ignore; i know cats naturally have whiskers above their eyes but the queen is the only one that represents that, it might look a little odd with the rest, so maybe remove? Again, just a thought. 05:16, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes the whiskers are meant to be that long. I actually shortened them in my last upload, so I don't know if the changes are showing for you, but the length they're at right now I'd like to keep. I'd be happy to change them if someone else agrees though. And same goes for the whiskers above the eyes, I'd rather keep them, but if someone else agrees I'll get rid of them.

Maybe make the face thinner? Lovely!

I think the whiskers look fine, tbh, and the face is full-on - it's not gonna look very thin. 16:58 Thu Oct 24 2013

Yeah, I'd prefer not to thin out the face, sorry.

The chin looks to be a little on the big side to me, but only a little bit. And just a personal preference, but I think with the way that the body is facing that it would look a little more natural to have the face pointing in the direction that she is going instead of directly at us, I mean it's not wrong, but it's just my thought is all. 01:01, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think the way the face is pointed is fine. 01:04, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded For the most part at least, the face is pointing in the general direction of where she's walking. I think it's fine honestly. But I did shrink the jaw by a few pixels.

Looks great Pale! However, the right corner of her mouth appears to be thicker than the left. If it's the case where it needs to be like that so the shrank jaw can look right, then sorry for nitpicky n_n"

I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean. Try wording it differently?

I think she's talking about the /lineart/ on the right corner of her jaw/mouth area... compared to the left side, it appears to be a couple pixels thicker?

I think that's simply because there are multiple different lines meeting there. The cheek, the lip, the whisker, and the shoulder. I may not be look at the same place though. I'm not sure

Make the nose a more triangular shape? 14:57, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Imo, the whiskers look a bit too long. Maybe just erase like a inch off each one? Since the whiskers on the other blanks aren't that long. She looked amazing! 16:10, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

A cats' whiskers are typically long enough so that wen a cat tries to get through a space, if the whiskers fit without being bent or moved, then the hips, shoulders,and bellies of the cat can fit as well. I believe the whiskers are perfectly okay.

And also to keep in mind this cat is pregnant, so I agree with Leggy. color:steelblue 16:14, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone else have any comments for these? I'd actually really like to get the longhaired ones posted as well, and with the new book coming out soon, this page will be overloaded soon enough.

Ah, sorry if this sounds offensive, but the chest caves in a little... Awkwardly. Don't get me wrong, these are great blanks though~ 19:32, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

No offense taking at all really. But with the way cat's anatomy works, the "chest" (ribcage) is much farther back, and the spot you're looking at is really just where the legs meet, and that's what I portrayed it as. It doesn't bump out where they meet normally, especially when the legs are int his position.

I think the chest is fine. I don't see anything else wrong with these, and I'm excited for the longhairs! :D Amazing work, Paleh! I love these! 20:17, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

There haven't been any comments for the past few days; longhairs now? 00:04, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get on the longhairs. Sorry, they should have been done already but I got really sick when I planned to make them. I'll get them up asap.

Uploaded There we go.

I'm just...gonna... sneak in here and CBA these because I love them and they look so perfectly lovely.

I don't want to sound offensive, but... Something about the face seems slightly unrealistic. Like, is it the eyes or muzzle? If anyone knows, please point it out... Or if you think it fine, go ahead. That's cool with me :) these are really great! <span style="">09:57 Thu Nov 7

It's fine; we're gonna continue the CBA.

Sedgestar (L) ~ CBA
Comments? He's confirmed with a description in Tigerstar's nine lives ceremony, and I love how this turned out <33. 00:09, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Did you forget to fill in the nose? Excellent job, as always, Beebs! <span style="">2:24 Tue Nov 5

re-up I did, actually, but I decided to define it in this upload to make it easier to see ouo 02:31, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg and shoulder shading. This be niiiice. *.*

re-up thanks 8DD 19:25, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the chest and under the head 05:01, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine since I think it's already thick enough, but if someone disagrees I'll thicken it a touch 19:13, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

re-up now I really like how he looks now  19:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

This looks lovely~ CBA? <span style="">02:06, 11/7/2013

Sorreltail (Star) ~ For Approval
whispers lets get this approved quick i'm gonna be without internet soon 03:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Awww... I liked Sorrel... Give more depth to the shading on the back, especially on the black patches 04:39, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I know, Scarlet, I know. ;-; 05:07, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the flecks a bit and this is awesome.

Re-uploaded. eep 06:06, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

That‘s a good picture. I think you do it very well.

but you should add more dark black -stealfog  21:00,5th,Nov.2013

Blur the flecks more and lower the opacity on them the slightest bit. 13:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the patches a bit and possibly define the eye depth? Very pretty! 17:03, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Either smudge or blur the shading on a low rate. Such a pretty dead cat. <span style="">17:25 Tue Nov 5

I think the opacity of the flecks are fine, since it'll appear a bit lighter when it's blurred ouo 21:22, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'm not blurring the flecks anymore now. 03:04, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and remove the smudging on it? It kinda makes it not match since the other images don't have any smudging. Also add a bit of shading to the bottom of the tail?

Sorry, but imho you should blur the flecks more. On all of Sorrel's other images, the flecks are fainter than these. Please blur them more. Nice job so far.. 21:37, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I think they're fine. I thought you meant me for a minute x3 21:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Darkfrost though, just a tiny bit more. 02:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Lol sorry, I should have just said Sorreltail xD 03:31, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, the blurring's fine really. The opacity could maybe be lightened a bit, but otherwise, I see no issue with them.

I may ad well withdraw this seeing as I won't be able to upload. 22:15, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. <span style="">23:36 Thu Nov 7

Re-uploaded. Changes are here if they aren't showing. Comments? <span style="">0:26 Fri Nov 8

Sorry to but in but Sorreltail is dead?? I thought she was alive! User:Neverendingmoon

Please do not comment unless it is constructive critisism for the image. <span style="">1:05 Fri Nov 8

Blizzardwing (A) - For Approval
If the changes aren't showing, see here, comments? I'm quite fond of this <span style="">05:00 Tue Nov 5

Smudge the mottles tad? I love this c: <span style="">17:23 Tue Nov 5

I personally think they look okay, but I'll smudge them if someone else agrees. <span style="">19:22 Tue Nov 5

I think the mottles are fine as well. Maybe define the eye depth a bit? Nice job, he's gorgeous! 21:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

It looks kinda green... 05:00, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think the warrior's much more blue-green than this. I think the tinting it currently has is fine.

Actually, this tinting makes it too dark. Here was my version when I was doing him: I'll also give you the colors and instructions that were given from Loonie to Ravenfrost, then passed to me in case I decided to do this image again..

Layer 1: Solid white.

Layer 2: Very, very pale gray texturing.

Layer 3: Mottle color: #ebecbf = Pale yellow. Do on 75% Opacity.

Layer 4: Mottle color: #c6c7c7 = Pale gray. Do on 100% Opacity.

Layer 5: Shading and highlights. Shading color: #1a3952. 2 highlights: #feffao and white: on the nose, chest and top of tail.

Hope that made sense... ;) Keep it up. 13:16, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think this image looks perfect and matches the warrior about as well as humanly possible. Great job Wildd! <span style="">14:49 Thu Nov 7 2013

Reuploaded I personally think it matches too, and Darkfrost; I used the hex codes for this. - <span style="">20:16 Thu Nov 7

Wow, Wildd. That's stunningly beautiful. :O You're extremely good! Great job. c: 21:36, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps fill in the nose? 00:48, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lightning Tail (Ki) ~ For Approval
Beebs thank you so much you are amazing. So here is my darling and I am not changing the eye color because of reasons. Nor will I lighten him, but I will fiddle with the shading and/or texture.

Lighten him a tad so I can see the shading and texture. x3 Wonderful Skye~ 13:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I said I wasn't going to lighten him, Duck. This is because the base is light enough as it is, and if it's any lighter, it'll be gray. I did fiddle with other things, though, so re-uploaded.

There's some waste between the fur on this >>> side of the head. So sweet. <span style="">17:18 Tue Nov 5

Re-uploaded. Thank youu~

Define the shading justtt a little bit, and I think he'll be good. Wonderful, Skye. 21:21, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mmm I've gotta say that you might lighten him just a touch. I still can't see the texture/shading very well. <span style="">3:10 Wed Nov 6 2013

I can't lighten him anymore after this without him looking a lot lighter than he should be. After all, he is black. So re-uploaded and if he still looks odd, I'll try something else instead.

I still can't see the lineart, texture, or shading. 02:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Agreeing with Duck, he needs to be lighter. 03:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I will not lighten him anymore. Either you respect that choice as an artist's decision, or do not comment please. If you have other ideas as to how to make it more visible, please say so. If I lighten him anymore he will gray, and he is black. Wikia's being an idiot and not showing changes, so you might not even be seeing the right one, which is here.

Um, it looks a bit to light now. How it was on the previous upload was just right. <span style="">4:56 Thu Nov 7 2013

Reverted, as I agree.

Woah, Snowy, follow your own rules as quoted in the past to me: "You do what the comments tell you to do, since they have a better perspective." Yeah I re-worded it due to lack of remembrance of the right words. But, you cannot make a demand or a stand like that, no matter if you are the PCA deputy. Everyone has a liking on their own image, which you do, but to the surrounding users, it could look like crap. -No offense, this looks really amazing, just an example.- So, I believe you shouldn't come out rudely and say "I will not lighten him anymore. Either you respect that choice as an artist's decision, or do not comment please." To me, personally when I read that, it sounded like a threat. If he needs to be lightened so we can see the lineart, you do that, since not all black cats are as dark as hell. Or, increase the brightness of the texture, darkness of shading. Or, if you wish to not lighten it, explain kindly why you won't, or can't or else this will happen. Not to go off and threaten. I did not mean for this to be a jab, or a hidden threat. But I believe you should have respect for every PCA user, and not threaten them. Everyone is seeing this behavior, and it's becoming a very bad habit for you... Once again, not a threat, just a warning for future clashes. Wow, now this is the longest PCA message I've ever written xD. 13:04, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

And also, I lose the texture as it gets to the shading. It's like it disappeared. Fix that, please and thanks. 13:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

She's not threatening. And it's her image, and besides, I think it is the darkness is perfectly fine. What you're saying, Dark, is almost insulting Snow, and it's not a "bad habit" at all. And don't say "it could look crap to other users" as that is very rude. There are plenty of words that could sound less offensive. I'm with Cloud here, the dark is fine. Also, that is uncalled for. Raelic think's it was okay before so Snow reverted, and there was no need for you to say that. 13:38, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I was not rude or offensive. I was extremely nice about it. Some PCA apprentices and kits are just getting fed up with her coldness toward us on occasion, so I thought I should bring up a hint at what were feeling. And, I checked my wording with several others and they said the wording was not rude or offensive, and that it was just a pointer. Instead, I did say "Not a threat, just a warning for future clashes" didn't I? Instead, Raelic has told Ravenfrost in the past that "you will fix this if someone asks you to" and I believe Cloudy should, too. There's no room here for special modifications for leads. And seriously, that comment up there sounded like a threat to me. And also about my comment, I didn't mean for it to be a jab. So yeah, that's my last comment on this matter. But, I'm sorry Sorrel if I did sound offensive, I was just gently pointing out her wording, and giving her an example of what she could've said, instead of sounding threatening. Sorry for misinterpretations on my comments.. 21:46, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Darkfrost, a tip on confronting people about certain aspects is use solid evidence through linking, make sure that you don't mislabel a group on what their outtake is, and keep in mind who your audience is.


 * At the same time, while I may disagree with stylistic writing choices of Darkfrost's, her point is still valid. When you put up character art for approval, you are asking for critiques. What exactly does the title "For Approval" mean if you refuse to acknowledge valid critiques because of just your opinion? There are other people who will back either you or another person's comment, because the reason why we go through this entire process of approval is to make it better. 22:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

You will fix something if other users critique it, however, you can challenge the critique or refuse to change parts an image if only one user wants it to be changed, as even the artist's opinion on the image is important. I asked Snowman to revert the image as I believe that it was just fine before and that the current image is too dark. She agreed with me and then there were two people on either side of the argument, making it the artists choice and their opinion valid. That's really all there is to it? I don't see how your comment was at all necessary as she did nothing wrong in this instance, and your wording was anything but gentle.

And another note, no matter what your opinion on the artist, nitpicking for the sake of giving the artist a hard time is rude and completely unnecessary. Don't you say that's not what you're doing as the evidence in and the tone of your comments suggests anything but. If you have a problem with a user please take it up with them on your own time, or if it is really bad and encompasses the whole project take it to the project talk page, but leave it off of the approval page. This is where images are to be critiqued and approved, and if a issue comes up with behavior relating directly to the image they can be brought up there and some comments can be made or information giving, but they are not to bring up vendettas and complaints against other users in the project. We are not going to have fighting on this, capiche? <span style="">22:18 Thu Nov 7 2013


 * Darkfrost, the texture is fine, and I don't see how it blends with the shading. Also, it's my choice not to lighten him. The base (without shading and texture) is pretty much a neutral gray, which is light enough for a black cat. I was /not/ threatening anyone, and I simply used italic texture in place of //, because I felt like it. My attitude is perfectly fine, and just because I disagree with a critique that is made, gives you no real reason whatsoever to accuse me of threatening people.


 * "Everyone is seeing this behavior, and it's becoming a very bad habit for you..."


 * And for your information, I do consider this highly offensive, and because you've offended me, I am choosing to disregard your critiques on this image (not any others, just this one), because of how badly that offended me. Your opinion on me does not represent the entirety of the project. I come back from working a nine hour day to see something like this on an image that, quite frankly, I am extremely proud of and for one of my favorite characters in the entire series? Dude, I have no idea what your issue is with me, but it needs to stop. I was not threatening anyone; and pretty much everyone in PCA or those who personally know me, know that if I threaten you, you'll know it. This was not a threat, and I did explain why I didn't want to lighten him- the base was light enough as it was, and it appears that you've overlooked my comment on that.


 * I reverted Lightning Tail's image to the previous upload, because it was suggested that I do so, and I agreed with Breezey's comment. And now I am speaking as the deputy of the project, as well as a member of this wiki's staff, not as artist of this image: this will cease, now. If there is a personal issue, you will bring it to my talk page, not PCA. As multiple users have once said, you have to earn my respect, and me just being "nice" to people isn't going to happen. I'm sorry if I've offended you by not giving you instant respect, but that's just how I roll. I do assume good faith, however.


 * Now, does anyone actually have any constructive comments on this image? Or, if it's too dark for anyone, perhaps a suggestion or two for me to lighten it /without/ touching the basepelt? Like maybe a shading tint or something along those lines?

I don't see anything wrong with this, other than that it could be darkened a shade or two. This is amazing 23:37, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. While I didn't darken it, I did play around with the shading and redid that, along with a couple other things, since I didn't want to make him too dark, since that's what started this in the first place. ._. If changes aren't showing, look here.

I'm sorry for accidentally offending you, Cloudy, and I do hope to earn your respect one day. But please listen to my critique..The texture gets lost in the shading. 00:36, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

And I disagree with your critique. I've already said that before. Repeating yourself will only make things worse. If someone else, like say a more experienced user of the project (no I'm not saying you don't know anything. ._.), were to agree with you, then I'd see what I could do.

Possibly lighten the black just a tiny bit? I can't really see the texture once it hits the shading, but if you lighten the shading any more it'll seem too faint or flat. 00:47, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Please tell me you're not looking at the image on Wikia; the changes are being idiotic and please look here.

Thorn (Ro) ~ For Approval
Eh. Comments?

Define the shading and add some depth to it if possible, it's lookin' a little flat at the moment. <span style="">07:48 Tue Nov 5

Add a little more texture? It's great, Silver c: <span style="">12:48 Tue Nov 5

Texture is completely optional. 13:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. Cute! <span style="">17:12 Tue Nov 5

Reuploaded (See hereif the changes aren't showing.) Thanks for your lovely and helpful comments ^3^

Darken, define, and add depth to the shading. 21:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded See here if the changes aren't showing.

There is waste under the tail. Also, define the shading on her side, in the middle around the spot of light. 18:17, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded (See here if the changes aren't showing) I changed the shading placement again n_n" Sorry. It's still similar though.

Blur the shading more. What program do you use? <span style="">22:01 Wed Nov 6

GIMP

If you use the airbrush for the shading, you may want to just go over a section once with a black shading color, that way it doesn't get over defined. Or, just make the shading have more intensity as it goes away from the lightsource. But I'd say this shading is slightly over defined.. I guess I'll show you one of my private images for an example..xD I'm addicted with Ezimba. I'm their number 1 visitor lately. Here: On that one I made it light-ish, and not too dark or else I wouldn't be able to see my texture anymore. But here's a solid: On that one, though, I may not have defined it enough..xD But, just keep in mind: The darker the cat, the darker the shading, the lighter the cat, the lighter the shading. :3 -is a very wise kitteh xD- Also, this may be the longest section I've ever written in PCA..lol 12:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well my method for shading is to take a super fuzzy smudge tool, make it about 30px or so, and gently smudge the edges of the shading back and forth, to make it seem a bit more blurred. As for Dark's comment about darkness and base colors, that's untrue, for the most part. Shading darkness is up to the artist, but the artist has to pull it off- you can have it as dark as you want to as long as it looks nice. 01:02, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Badgerfang (Star kit) ~ For Approval
My little Badgy c: Comments? 07:53, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named File:Bagderfang.star.png, as his warrior name was used in The Ultimate Guide.

Some of the eye color on the right side is leaking out. This is amazing! <span style="">17:11 Tue Nov 5

Reups thanks! c: 20:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading just a little bit? 21:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reups this is as defined as I can get it. 22:09, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

White looks a bit on the gray side on the chest and paws 04:59, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reups how's this? 15:15, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

All around, it is off-white, which is good, but on the headstripe, it's brighter than the rest of the white. I may be nitpicking slightly, but maybe if you dimmed down the brightness on the stripe and made is match with the rest of the white? xD If you think it's fine, that's fine. 00:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It seems fine to me. I think it's just where her shading is placed, honestly.

Any chance of possibly creating a more defined lightsource? The face seems to look like the shading is coming from this --> side, while the back and tail say behind them and to the left, while the shoulder is sort of in front of the cat and coming from the left, as well. If you want to go with the majority's source, (back and tail's), then you'd just have to have most of the chest and shoulder and face in shadow. I can explain the other ones, if you're interested, in chat so it doesn't take up too much room here. 01:05, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Sandstorm (Alt W 2) ~ Withdrawn
Here's the Sandstorm. Silver, I OWE YOU SO MUCH!!! Thanks so much for reserving this for me. Anyway, I did do this to be a pointed tabby, thank goodness Raven taught me how! <span style="">18:26 Tue Nov 5

What exactly is this alt for?

She was described as russet in Firestar's section of TUG. <span style="">18:43 Tue Nov 5

Ah, that makes sense. I'll go and cite that then, since I have the book. As for the image, define the texutre, as it fades into the shading, and make it curve with the body more. Also define the overall shading, especially on the tail, legs, and haunch. Would you also mind making the ear pink a teeny bit more visible, color-wise?

Define her tabby stripes? 20:24, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Someone deleted the file, and GIMP keeps crashing so I have to withdraw this because GIMP is the only program I can make tabbies with. I am really bad at tabbies anyway... So, sorry :( <span style="">18:32 Wed Nov 6

May I take this? <span style="">10:00 Thu Nov 7

No need to ask; go ahead. 13:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Arc (Ro) ~ Withdrawn
This is, like, the best image I have ever made, and I'm proud. Comments? <span style="">22:06 Tue Nov 5

Define the shading overall. <span style="">18:14 Wed Nov 6

I don't think his rank was given in the book at all. Yeah, he was with River Ripple for a bit, but I don't think that makes him a rogue. He was with a larger group of cats, I believe, but they weren't ever called rogues...

But in the Ultimate Guide, River was called a loner before he met the moor cats. Maybe Arc is a loner? They were generally peaceful cats in the bonus scene... 18:33, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

He was also called a rogue, and the term is tossed back and forth with loner. It would be an assumption to say he's anything, when there was no rank stated that I noticed...

Well, I can change the blank to the loner if you like? <span style="">21:52 Wed Nov 6

We could always give Arc a loner and rogue image... 22:01, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

No rank no blank, plus its an assumption to assume he was either unless stated. 22:03, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. This can be declined then. But I must say, the charart/list needs to be updated. Maybe I'll bring up a discussion about situations like so? <span style="">22:56 Wed Nov 6

The Charart/List is not actually required to be updated. We basically started updating it when the StarClan blanks were done because there were so many but it's not really all that vital and I don't even remember it even being in use before that. <span style="">14:40 Thu Nov 7 2013

I will withdraw, seen as this would count as an assumption, I'm guessing. That's ironic. <span style="">23:36 Thu Nov 7

Alder (Kit) ~ For Evaluation
Isn't she the cutest little thing? I know I'm not actually part of the project, so if there's anything wrong with how I reserved her (I put my name in the table and followed its format) please notify me and I will withdraw her. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:11, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brighten the white a bit? Very nice! <span style="">3:09 Wed Nov 6 2013

Smooth out the shading, it looks a bit blotchy 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded That's as bright as the white can get, and Scarletwind, are you talking about the shading on her left front paw? There's a patch of gray there that makes it look blotchy, I can remove it if you want, though. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

There is a square-patch of somesort that needs to be blurred/smudged. Here: Yes, I circled it due to the fact that I can't explain for crap. Not because I'm getting up in your face. ;) It looks amazing, Ember. Keep it up! 03:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

That area looks fine to me, Dark???? This is actually really cute omg. Maybe define the shading in general?

No, I see what dark is getting at. You can't see it in the zoom version but its like a squareish shape cut out? I'm horrible at explaining but yeah can you smudge there? <span style="">10:03 Thu Nov 7

I still can't see what you're looking at. Maybe it's because of the eyelashes? It seems to disguise the area around it, and I still say it's fine.

Here, I zoomed out, and screwed the eyelash for a better view: Can you see the square now, Snowy? o.o 12:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

ReuploadedHere if changes aren't showing. That was part of her white, but it did look weird so I extended the gray. I think the shading is fine, but if more people think I should define it then I will. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:32, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Leaf (Ro) ~ For Evaluation
Meh, I fail. Anyways, I put "For Evaluation" because this is my first charart! But as I've seen in other discussions, it can be removed when the user knows what he/she knows what they're doing. So, comments? -- 23:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken the highlights a smidge? The seem shiny. Nice job! <span style="">1:56 Wed Nov 6

He needs to be black and white, if I'm not mistaken. 01:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink and give him a gray nose 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I ended up having to redo the whole image...if there is a way to make a gray and white cat black and white without redoing the image, please tell me. This took up so much of my time. *.* -- 20:28, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white is very gray. Also, define the unshaded parts more. Also, can you make the pattern a bit more realistic, like this maybe? I like those eyes. ;) <span style="">23:00 Wed Nov 6

Re-uploaded 'Kay, for some reason, the wiki won't let me upload this image, so I brought a link with me. Thanks Hawk for the picture, it helped. Changes are.

To be perfectly honest, the pattern was more realistic before... I think that pattern was just fine.

I think this one is more realistic, just overblurred. Maybe try smudging it instead of blurring it so much? <span style="">0:35 Thu Nov 7

Hmmm..Maybe try to aim for it to look like this? I did a quick version of what I'd do..maybe you can get some tips and pointers from this. ;) 04:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dark, I do apologize, but that's not very natural either, and I'm going to agree with Paleh, that the pattern before was more realistic. Perhaps try to go back to that one if possible? I liked it. *.*

That's fine, Cloudy. It was only a 30 second job..xD 21:49, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of liked the pattern before. I switched back. ouo -- 22:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay, I kind of blurred the ear pink because I thought it looked...odd. -- 22:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink is leaking out of the ear. Also, can you sharpen the black patches, as they seem overblurred? <span style="">1:00 Fri Nov 8

Re-uploaded I switched back to the originals, so there aren't any black patches anymore. Blurred ear pink, though. -- 01:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Misty (Ro) - For Approval
Alright, before anyone starts complaining, there is indeed white markings on her chest, face, and paws. They're just small. Trying a new technique of gray and white kittehs today, kids. c: Comments? 04:57, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe add a bit more white than that? I can see what's there, but it's just so little...

Re-uploaded 01:41, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Holy cow, this is so freaking amazing. :O I'm jealous...teach me how you do it!! ;) My only critique, is that you define the shading more on the tail. Great job. c:  04:02, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Whitetail (SC) (Star) ~ For Approval
Here's Whitetail! I love this cat. Comments? 16:24, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think she's too dark for pale gray, and please change the eye color. They're purple, and that's not possible... perhaps maybe a nice shade of amber would suit her pelt color? Or maybe a darker blue if you'd like. Mind you, it's your choice, but purple isn't natural and can't be used. There's also waste on --> paw.

The ear pink is rather purpley pink. Make it a more natural color? <span style="">16:31 Wed Nov 6

Reuploaded. I think the earpink is fine, but will change if others agree. Changes not showing. 16:36, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe lighten up the shading a tad? 16:38, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, just a little more on the pink side for the earpink... Perhaps not much, though. Also shading darkness is artist's choice, but I /do/ agree with you, Sorrel.

Reuploaded. Changes here:. 18:10, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Is there any chance that you could lighten up the blue juuuust a smidge? I'm having an extremely tough time differentiating it from the lineart. Also, define the shading on the paws.

Reuploaded. Changes here:. 20:21, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink still looks purple-y. 04:00, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink and blur the shading on the flank more 14:49, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe define the light on the (our) left leg? 15:54, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Changes here:. 21:59, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Acorn Fur (Ki) ~ For Approval
Wow it's been a while since I've done this. <span style="">21:33, 11/6/2013

Define the shading just the tiniest bit? Very purdy, Shimmer c: 02:03, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded This look good? Thanks~ c: <span style="">02:09, 11/7/2013

She looks red on my screen. 02:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

^Same..make her more "acorn-colored." xD Not bad, Shim. Looks great. c: 03:58, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. She's chestnut coloured, right? You get horses of such colour. Maybe you could colour pick off a chestnut horse? Here's an example you could use, but there are lots of others. Just a suggestion. 15:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">00:07, 11/8/2013

Woah, this is super pretty, Shim. o.o Maybe smudge the fur into the earpink a little? You don't have to, but I think it looks nice. 01:10, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks Leggy~ <span style="">02:10, 11/8/2013

Sedgestar (Star) ~ For Approval
Well I know I accidentally took the female blank but I'll fix it. So other than that, comments?

Reuploaded; Fixed.

The eyes kinda abruptly switch to a darker coloring... maybe lightly blur or smudge it so they don't just shift all of the sudden? Other than that, I see literally nothing wrong; I like this. *.*

Maybe lighten the shading by a touch? <span style="">14:42 Thu Nov 7 2013

Sparrow Fur (Ki) ~ Declined
I wanted to try it out.. I hope that's okay.. Starforce StarClan 7.11.2013

Define the light source some? 19:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't Creameh already reserve this? It should be hers? Anyway, define the shading. This should be called. <span style="">19:16 Thu Nov 7

Reuploaded, Name changed Uhm sorry if I did a mistake D: ~ Starforce

Wait..technically, you did take this for Cream. I think this should be declined, as Cream reserved this image. 19:22, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The image is Cream's, sorry. 20:23, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Declining. This image belongs to Cream, and is hers to post. Sorry! It /is/ cute, though.

Fircone (Ro) ~ For Approval
Comments? Torties are a lot of fun omg  00:50, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

The black seems to have a greenish hue, maybe make the black more blue-toned or something. However, if you don't want to that's cool with me. This is amazing! .o. <span style="">1:03 Fri Nov 8

The black's completely desaturated, and I used three colors: Black for the base, a golden as my less prominent patches, and a redder orange for the patches over that...they're all yellow-orange, for the most part, and nothing's green-tinted. My shading's even tinted red to offset that. Perhaps it's your browser? 01:07, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Your torties are like angels. It does looks slightly greenish in some areas (I think it's when the golden meets the black??), but I don't think it's something worth changing because it's pretty minor. Anyways, can you blur the back shading?