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Nightfur - Silver Nomination
His article looks good. Comments? 05:09, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

He needs a couple quotes, and one of them has to be a main quote. River pelt Happy Halloween! 14:49, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Battles of the Clans could be expanded: maybe into paragraphs. 15:20, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Added quotes and I'll get on the Battle of the Clans part. 15:22, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Done. 16:07, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed some grammar mistakes. Supporting =) 21:50, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can the history be expanded anymore? Also, find another quote. 01:33, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Done 02:27, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. Supporting. 20:18, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Good job, Frostheart! =) River pelt Happy Halloween! 23:27, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

So...anything to do? XD 03:54, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Comments before vote? 14:40, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 19:02, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Duststar - Silver Nomination
Not that there's much to his article. xD 20:43, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Needs a citation for being a tom, and more quotes need to be added. 20:56, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do they really need citations for being a certain gender? If they don't have a description, I don't think a reference is needed :\ 20:57, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

All character article should have a reference for the gender, whether or not they have a description. Sorry if I sound bossy, but that's the way it is. :) 21:08, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Got the reference! You could tell Duststar was a tom because there were alot of "him" and "his" in there. XD River pelt Happy Halloween! 23:26, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Whew, you're a fast one for getting references, Riverpelt! Thanks :) I'll try to get Code of the Clans from the library to dig for a quote. 00:04, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I got Code of the Clans from the library (yay!) and I added a quote. 19:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Can another quote be added? I know he is a pretty minor character. 22:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... Well, I'll search for a good quote, but I don't know...:/ 00:20, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think CotC can be expanded, I honestly haven't read it in awhile, but I'm pretty sure he's seen more than that. 03:55, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Duststar is only seen in that section of CotC, to my knowledge, but none the less, I've tried my best to expand it. Although I'm out of quotes. He did say "A truce?", but that's basically useless to the article. :P 20:30, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

The CotC section looks better now. :) I can't see anything wrong except for maybe the quote. XD 01:23, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to look for a good quote... Better get to work! ;) 19:09, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Humph, I can't find anything good.... I'll keep searching, though. 00:56, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Bingo! I got two really good ones! However, none of the two were actually said by Duststar so I haven't added it to his article yet, but they were both said to him, so here they are:


 * "Clan above all else. It makes sense to me." --Whitestar, Code of the Clans, Pg.16

Maybe I should just put them on those leaders' pages; I don't know. What do you guys think? Midnitesky (Talk)
 * "But from now on, each Clan stands-and fights-alone." --Emberstar, Code of the Clans, Pg.16

Is there any more dialogue to be added to either one of those? Like, something else that Duststar said right before that or after. If not, I don't think those two should be added to his article. 21:12, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

I believe Midnitesky meant to put them on Emberstar's and Whitestar's articles, if they don't belong to Duststar. If that hopefully made sense ;) 14:40, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

That's exactly what I meant; thanks Frostheart! :) And for your question, Whitestorm, Duststar did say something before that, like as in a discussion between the leaders of the Clans, so should I still put them on Duststar's article, or should I put them on Emberstar and Whitestar's articles? Because although Duststar never said anything big in the conversation, he did have a part in it. 19:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if anything he said shows any of his personality, add it. Although, from what you said, it doesn't sound like it did. Anyways, do whatever you want, I trust your judgement. :) 02:17, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Whitestorm! ^ ^ I think I'm going to add those 2 quotes to their characters' pages. Although there's nothing left for Duststar now XD. 22:05, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if no more quotes can be found, then his article is complete. 01:06, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've added the quotes to Whitestar and Emberstar's pages. 21:46, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 17:41, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 19:01, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Brambleclaw - Gold Nomination
I know Brambleclaw needs a lot of work, but I'm excited to do it. :) Comments and criticism, please. 14:32, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Aww man! I was going to put Brambleclaw up for gold too! Just kidding! XD I was going to, but I'll definetely help you out Frostheart. =D You just have to expand some of his NP history, Outcast, The Sight, Eclipse and Long Shadows. River pelt Happy Halloween! 21:11, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Riverpelt. :) And I was going to expand that later tonight, since I don't have anything to do tonight. :) 21:25, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Outcast, it has some like...grammar issues, XD But I'll fix that later on. :) 00:20, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

If it is to be gold, all most all of the history should be expanded. 02:05, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I think Brambleclaw looks really good! I can see you've been working very hard on this ;) Just expand New Prophecy and a little bit of Power of Three and I think it's nearly gold quality! :) 19:13, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Outcast, Midnight, fixed Brightspirit's Mercy, expanded Dark River, and Moonrise. :) I'll get on the rest! -zooms off like awesomeness- 00:54, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded The Sight. But I cannot expand Eclipse, since he was..in it like..2..3 times? XD And I cannot expand Long Shadows, either. Since mostly, he was just organizing patrols all the time. So I believe that is all of it, but I'll get on the other sections that I think could need expansion. 01:12, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Dawn needs to be expanded as well as Fading Echoes-- 01:45, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Dawn. Fading Echoes can't be expanded. 02:29, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

If he is to be gold, all of NP should be expanded. Also, even though he only appeared once in Fading Echoes, that one appearance can be expanded. 13:33, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Midnight a ton, but it might be too much..XD I'll expand all of them like that, if they need summarizing, I can do that. Also, they may hold grammar mistakes, but I always get to that after expanding. 15:06, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded all of NP except for Sunset, which I'll do now. By the way, Midnight and Starlight are typically longer than the others in NP because he is seen more in it. 20:15, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded everything. :) Hopefully its good. XD 03:16, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

He needs citations for his description. 15:08, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Added citations. 15:13, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rising Storm and Eclispe could be expanded some more. 15:57, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

actually, scratch Eclispe. Just Rising Storm I guess. 16:03, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Done. :) 16:06, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rising Storm's grammar could be smoothed out a bit. 17:31, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Moonrise could be expanded to show more of their time with the Tribe, and Dawn could be expanded, about how the Clans were suffering when Squirrelflight and Bramblclaw returned home. Also, Fading Echoes could still be expanded. 17:33, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed Rising Storm. I'll get to the expanding. 17:35, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Done. 18:09, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Looks really nice, congrats to all people working on it. :) Midnight still needs some expansion (the description of the journey) in my opinion. Also, the sections should be in chronological order, i.e. Original - FQ - New Prophecy, instead of starting with FQ. 20:24, October 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Helix, the super editions come first, don't they? 20:25, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think they do. Anyways, I'll expand Midnight. 20:40, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded it. 21:04, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me, supporting-- 23:31, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Frostheart, you've been working really hard on this! Supporting! ^ ^ 00:57, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

He looks amazing, Frostheart! Great job! I'm definetely supporting! River pelt Happy Halloween! 19:25, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. 01:35, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 18:49, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 22:21, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe~Gold Nomination
I just figured I'd put him up now, but I know that there is alot to fix. So any books that need fixing? River pelt Happy Halloween! 14:11, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I can't say that most of the books need expansion, since if they did, I would have probably expanded them during the time when I had the silver nom. XD Maybe fix the grammar mistakes? There is a few, but not a whole lot. Maybe the Warriors Refuge section could be expanded..? 14:46, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, Riverpelt, I am not just picking on you, because I have seen a few other users do this as well. Please do not nominate a character if you know that the article still needs to be fixed, because it wastes space on the talk page. Also. this article was just very recently granted silver status, so it would not be a very good idea to grant it Gold this soon. 18:02, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry Whitestorm! I had a feeling I should've fixed his page up first! If you all want, it will be fine with me if you archive it. River pelt Happy Halloween! 19:13, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, I have no problem with this being up. I was just reminding you for future reference. However, I still stand by my point that he was recently granted silve, so it might be a bad idea to give the article Gold already. 21:24, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

If you think it's a bad idea, then you can get rid of it if you wish, Whitestorm. River pelt Happy Halloween! 23:55, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

I am not going to get rid of it, as my opinion is not the only one which matters, and some other users might want to give their input as well. 17:31, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay then Whitestorm. I promise you this won't happen again. River pelt Happy Halloween! 19:23, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

So, comments, anyone? River pelt Happy Halloween! 20:38, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I just realized how awesome a Gold article needs to be. XD So basically everything could need expanding. 23:40, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Okay Frostheart, I'll start working on it ASAP! River pelt Just go with the flow. 18:03, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Fallowfern - Silver Nomination
I added all of the times she was mentioned. She has quotes and citations for everything. Comments?-- 23:51, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

This looks really good. Supporting. 00:06, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Looks okay. 02:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

This is very good! ^ ^ Supporting. 21:49, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 21:59, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 20:05, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Emberstar - Silver Nomination
I added a main quote, expanded the CotC history, and got a reference for his gender. Comments? 22:10, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I know he's a really minor character, but could you maybe find another quote? Other than that, it's good. 22:16, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Everything he says is really minor, or doesn't really portray his character well. 21:40, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

If nothing else can be fixed, then it looks good to me. River pelt Just go with the flow. 18:06, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 20:09, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Fish Leap - Silver Nomination
Okay, I checked and then double checked and Fish Leap's page is currently marked bronze. I've done some editing to it and I think it is ready for silver. Comments? --Spottedpool76 01:07, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

It needs some quotes that show personality. I'm sure Long Shadows can be expanded, too. 01:11, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try. Spottedpool76 01:14, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

I added alot but I'll have another look. Did I miss anything? --15:08, November 5, 2010 (UTC)Spottedpool76

It looks fine to me currently. 02:05, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. :) 21:47, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Looks good. 20:33, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Skipper - Silver Nomination
I cleaned up his history. How is he? 20:51, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

He could use some quotes, but if you can't find any, I think he looks great otherwise. Supporting. :) 21:38, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Two more quotes would be nice--ones that show personality. Actually, I believe that SkyClan's Destiny can be expanded, if it cannot, it's fine. 02:05, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

The history is okay for silver. However, he does need some quotes. 02:29, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Added two quotes. 02:45, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I support. River pelt Just go with the flow. 18:04, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

Chronology
This was briefly brought up in Brambleclaw's nomination, and I remember we had discussions about it a long time ago, although I don't remember if there was a consensus, and it is not mentioned in PC tutorials. In History sections, should we keep a certain order of books (e.g. Special-OS-NP-...), or rather a chronological order (e.g. OS-FQ-NP-...)? I'd vote for the second one, as "history" in general is supposed to present events in the order of their succession, but I'm looking forward for your opinions. :) Kind regards, 18:23, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like it the way it is now (Special, OS, NP, ect.). However, something needs to be done about FQ and SD, as they may reveal spoilers later on. 18:46, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

I like the second one myself. But it may be hard to incorperate the mangas into it. 20:07, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * You are right, the mangas may over-complicate things for some characters. 20:20, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I prefer the way it is now, like Oblivion. I just think that it basically looks better that way, to be honest. XD 22:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm...Helix does have a point, but I still agree with Oblivion and Frostheart. I like the way it is now and I don't think anything should be done about it. First of all, I don't know about you, but reorganizing the order of the 1,000-some articles on here may take a long time. Second, when do the Field Guides come in? 22:33, November 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, they come in wherever they fit in regarding the plot... e.g. if SotC presents a story taking place before the OS, then it comes before the OS... if it presents a story between NP and PO3, it comes between NP and PO3... :) and I don't think we should reorganize more than a dozen articles as few cats appear in multiple series + guides + manga. In any case, it's just an idea; and it has both positive and negative things. 23:26, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

As of now, the order is; Special Editions, OS, NP, PO3, OTS, Field Guides, Mangas, and then Short Stories. In my opinion, it should stay that way. 00:12, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Whitestorm. The book orders are fine the way they are now. 10:40, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Helix:I now understand where the Field Guides would come in; thank you! :) But still, considering the fact that the majority of users like the way it is now, including me, I'm thinking there is no reason to change the order. They look neat and organized the way they are now, and I believe it should be kept that way. 01:55, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I still stand by my opinion. I understand my choice seems like the unpopular one, but shouldn't hisory be in order? I have no problem with the format we are currently using, but I think it would only make sense if the books were in order. 22:12, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would make sense in order, but it might get confusing and look unorganized if that happens, but we should try it the second way (in my opinion). -- 22:15, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

LionClan/TigerClan
This is something I have noticed and thought I should bring it up here. On most character pages, TigerClan and LionClan are both listed as affiliations. In my opinion, LionClan should not be listed as an affiliation. The reasoning behind my point is, ThunderClan and WindClan were both members of LionClan. However, they never lived in the same place, shared prey, patrolled borders together, or do anything that a regular Clan would do. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but they "made" themselves LionClan the day before the battle against BloodClan. So, the question is, should LionClan be listed as a past affiliation? I am looking for opinions from all users.

Another thing, on the articles, Darkstripe and Whitestorm, the current affiliations are TigerClan and LionClan, respectively. This is listed that way, because they died during the battle. However, should that be included in the articles? Personally, I think that Whitestorm's should be changed to ThunderClan, but keep Darkstripe's the same, for the same reasoning as above.

Also, one more thing! :) Should we include Category:LionClan (Modern) Cat and Category:TigerClan (Modern) Cat on character articles? I think we should, because that is showing which side they fought on during the battle.

So, please list your opinions for each of these items. I hope to come to a consenus soon. 00:23, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. LionClan shouldn't be listed as an affiliation. They were basically two Clans formed together to just destroy TigerClan and BloodClan--basically almost like an ally. And we should include the category on character articles. Basically agreeing with eveything you said. XD 00:27, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I forgot this detail. :) And I do believe that Whitestorm's death should be changed to ThunderClan--as he was technically fighting for ThunderClan. I can't honestly explain it, but it's pretty much the same thing you said. XD 03:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since the two concepts are kind of inseparable, we should either mention both or none in the allegiances. I vote for none, as these were alliances and not real Clans, even if they lived and acted so for a short while. Technically, the cats did not leave their Clans to willingly join a new Clan. As for the categories, they are redundant as they pretty much just duplicate the allegiances of Shadow+River and Thunder+Wind. 10:36, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that modern LionClan and TigerClan should not be counted as real "Clans". Not only because of Whitestorm's good points, but also because modern LionClan and TigerClan actually existed for an incredibly short time. They were barely mentioned after the battle with BloodClan anyway. Like Helix says, it's either mention both or mention none-and I think mentioning neither is more reasonable.

As for Darkstripe and Whitestorm, I believe Whitestorm's should definitely be changed to ThunderClan and Darkstripe's should be kept the same, because of what Whitestorm said and also because Darkstripe really isn't considered to be loyal to ThunderClan-and definitely not to their leader, Firestar, as shown in the books.

For the category thing, I disagree with Whitestorm. The categories do not show which side they fought on during the battle because modern LionClan and TigerClan never actually fought against each other. Remember, after Tigerstar died, Leopardstar and RiverClan joined with Firestar and Tallstar, and Tigerstar's followers, like Darkstripe, for example, went to join with Scourge. So my point is, the sides were the allied Clans and BloodClan, not modern LionClan and TigerClan. So I don't think those should be counted as categories.

Sorry for the lengthy opinions. :) But that's what I think. 01:46, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

The LionClan category would go for almost any cat that participated in the battle, with the exception of Tigerstar, Darkstripe and BloodClan. So, I agree with Midnitesky. The only cats that should have it listed in the allegiances are Tigerstar and Darkstripe. 20:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Nightcloud - Silver Nomination
I think her article looks ready. 23:18, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

She could use a main quote and some others. Otherwise, I support! ^ ^ 01:58, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Added two quotes and a main quote :) 01:19, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think the main quote should show more personality. 03:31, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

That is literally the only thing she says that makes sense on its own. I could switch the Crowfeather quote and that one, though. 03:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that one would be better. :) 03:44, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

All right, done ^_^ 04:02, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

If she doesn't say anything on her own, then I support. 20:22, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lilystar~ Silver Nomination
She looks good to me. 01:51, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I support. 01:53, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

She looks great! Supporting. :) 01:59, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible she can get another quote? I know she's a minor character. If not, supporting. :) 15:47, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

There's only one other think she said in the book, and it's asking if he took the last piece of prey. I don't really think it matters and shouldn't be added, but if anyone disagrees i'll add it. 23:51, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think another quote is needed. She looks fine the way she is. 20:17, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

She does say another quote: "It is a sign," she declared. "StarClan gives our prey to us and Starclan can take it away. We should give thanks to our warrior ancestors that we are able to eat at all. They proved every mouthful as well as our ability to hunt and feed ourselves. From the next Gathering, there will be an addition to the warrior cpde. Prey must be killed only to be eaten, and we must five thanks to StarClan for its life. This is the way of the warrior." Is that too long? -- 22:01, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, but it's already her main quote at the top of the page. 22:34, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, no I feel like an idiot. XD -- 01:00, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Brackenheart - Silver Nomination
I'n surprised no one has nominated him yet. Comments? 04:20, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Could another quote be added? If not, he looks great! :) 21:37, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible for his StarClan appearance to be expanded anymore? 20:07, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have my book near me, but I think that's really the only time he shows up when in Starclan, but I might be wrong because I haven't looked at the book since summer. -- 21:55, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Snowwhisp is right. He does nothing else, just sits with Spiderstar. And about the quotes, I think one is fine. If not, feel free to disagree. 22:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Squirrelfur - Silver Nomination
Not much to it. Comments? 21:52, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Really not much :). Supporting 21:40, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

For such a minor character he has good information. Supporting. -- 21:51, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, his Code of the Clans section has approximately only 46 words. XD Still, looks great! :D Supporting. -- 21:17, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Snowstar~ Silver Nomination
He looks go to me.-- 00:09, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 20:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Me three. -- 21:38, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Looks awesome! Supporting. :) -- 21:15, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Join request
This is what I'm supposed to do to join right? If not sorry. If so, may I please join? I would really like to help the wiki and I think a project would help me contribute in places that need it. -- 01:19, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry. This is the right place. :) I've added you in. I hope you enjoy yourself. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or Whitestorm. You can also consult the project page or the FAQ. Have fun. :) 19:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

(: Thank you! :) -- 21:24, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderheart - Silver Nomination
It looks good to me for a silver nomination. Thoughts? 19:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's almost ready. See if Outcast, The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes could be expanded. 19:36, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes. Outcast cannot be expanded, though. 21:18, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's a different book, but for Outcast, wasn't Leafpool worrying about Cinderheart because she was really Cinderpelt? If I'm right, then maybe we can add that, if not that I think it looks good. -- 21:29, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think that it was Eclipse. :) 23:57, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

(gives self slap to the back of the head) ooooooooooooh, thanks. :) -- 00:59, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Her article looks fantastic! ^_^ Another quote, perhaps? Supporting. :) -- 21:14, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Join Request
I'll tell you right away that I am new to wiki, and wouldn't be surprised if I just did something wrong... O.o

Anyway, I'd like to join the project. I am very Warriors-obsessive, and love writing. Age doesn't matter right?

Need to know anything else?

IAmWillowtail 20:12, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

No, as long as you're interested, I think you'll love Project Characters! ^ ^ Welcome to PC and the wiki! I'm sure Whitestorm or Moonflight will add you in soon. :) --