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Softpaw blanks- For Approval
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Do you think you could make the ears a touch more triangular, also? 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  08:03, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

The front leg on <--this side looks a bit awkward the way it's bent. And the paw's a bit peculiar too. <span style="">08:06 Fri Dec 28

I suggest moving the ear (on --> side) closer to the face since it looks a tad out of place. -- S t  a  r  r  y  ~angelfase~  04:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried :P  03:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The way it is now, it looks almost cartoon-y. Shrink the ears, elongate the body just a tad, and thin out that bottom paw. 06:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and elongate the legs and round the back. 06:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded which paw? 21:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if I am allowed to comment, but the mouth on the left side, it looks a little odd. You should let it come up more instead of going down.Gummybearkiller (talk) 21:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The hind leg looks a bit too long, maybe give some more differentiation between the hip/flank and the actual leg? And show the pull on the shoulder muscle on the foreleg closest to us. Maybe scoot the head forward to make room for a bit of neck and shoulders? Maybe give some volume to the farthest forepaw, it looks a little flat. 00:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm kind of unsure what you mean in the first part  06:03, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you kinda tilt the image, or something? I don't know how to explain it, but it kinda looks like the cat's getting kicked in the shading place and flying away... sorry if I sound confusing I dunno how to explain it I'm not good with this stuff

Awesome! I think it is ready now.Gummybearkiller (talk) 22:59, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gummy, there are still comments that need to be accomplished under this topic, so it is not ready just yet. Also, refrain from commenting just to say it looks nice. I know you're new, so this is just a reminder. :) 00:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The anatomy could still use some re-working. The feet are oddly proportioned, the body is contorted oddly, the face anatomy looks off... sorry, but I can't think of how to be more helpful than that without being redundant. 21:31, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'll just casually place this here that I made with a reference I found  01:03, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Make the hind legs a touch bigger and maybe expand the head a bit so the features aren't quite so squashed 02:06, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

<33 I love it. The cat looks thin, not sure if that's supposed to look like that.  Giratina is not amused   03:19, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? 05:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw and make the "elbow" of the foreleg closest to us a bit bigger 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Bluestar (Alt. Star) ~ For Approval
Bluestar's pale alt. StarClan image. Been a while since I've posted a charart. Comments? 19:43, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named Bluestar.star.alt.png.

Renamed 19:48, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a bit. -Feather 19:51, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps define the shading a bit. <span style="">19:54, 01/2/2013

Darken the earpink- it seems a tad too bright and pinkish. -- Atomic  The collective baby~  19:56, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think the shadings fine, but if anyone else agrees, I'll define it. Don't think changes are showing. 20:07, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Shimmer. Define it just a tad.

Reuploaded 22:08, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

It might be my screen, but it looks a tad green. 22:47, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see it. 22:54, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

I see it, too. And define the tail shading a bit. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 00:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reubloaded. Changes might not be showing. 17:11, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make sure the shading stretches all the way down; I can see some light at the bottom of the flank and forelegs. 18:36, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

She still looks a bit greenish. 22:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The shading is supposed to look like that. 00:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think it could be pale, and also make it less green. 05:38, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The tail tip's kind of oddly dark, especially when that part would probably have a lot of light shining on it, and there's still a lighter strip at the bottom of her belly/back/whatever you wanna call it. 06:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Took the color from the lightest part on her alt. leader. 17:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Uhh... she looks kinda purple-y, and can you define the shading on the chest/shoulders? Right now it's kinda flat. And correct me if I'm wrong, but should the nose....be the same color as the earpink? It looks a little neon-y. 18:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Defined and blurred shading, and made less purple. Will fix nose next. 18:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 18:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The ear-pink looks kinda grayish and even out the shading; it looks darker around the back 21:37, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the cite for this, her description should actually by changed, not her given an alt. It calls her pale, not stating the color, so it's not an obvious mistake. I originally thought she was shown like this, not described, but since she was described he description should be changed, and images tweaked. I'm not quite sure what would happen in this case, since Fox has her main SC image reserved, but you've already done the pale one. Opinions guys? 17:39, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, I don't know, like, maybe it's either an alt or a full change in description (But then the rest of her main chararts would need to be changed too wouldn't they?) I don't know, I'm confusing. x3  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 02:53, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Huh? Her description's already changed, and her images already nominated. I was just saying, I'm not sure what would happen with this specific images. In normal cases, it'd just stay up and become her main starclan image, however Fox already has her main image reserved, so I'm not sure if this would be declined, or Fox's reservation denied. Probably the first. 05:28, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

what are we gonna do with this? ouo 23:53, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Uhm well since the main starclan image was reserved like 3 other times after this, I imagine delete it... xD Not sure though. Sorry Blue. 02:51, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Snowfur (Star) ~ For Approval
Shading white cats...x.x And, I did add her gray ear tips, but the earpink is covering them. So, comments? Shoon Derp Dream, believe 04:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC) Could you add the gray ear tips on the visible back of the ears? That's where they'd really be... 04:34, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Waste in the tail area. *nearly said tailhole* 07:10, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --      Shoon Derp  Dream, believe        11:26, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading at the base of the tail and blur the rest 18:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

The eye colour should match the other images. 07:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the bodu looks blotchy, and can you define the shading on the taoil? gah I can;t tyep today 18:32, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --  I swear, this shading hates me       Shoon Derp  Dream, believe 18:29, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

You forgot the nosepink, and the earpink needs to match the other images, so brighten and saturate it a bit. 18:34, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded --      Shoon Derp  Dream, believe

21:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded again I found some waste. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 21:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

She's looking a little gray around her face, lessen the shading a little 21:44, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if the changes aren't showing, but there's still a speck of waste in the top left corner. 22:04, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks blotchy on her body near the base of the tail,  and the throat looks grey. Also, darken the gray on the ear to match the other Snowfur images. 00:33, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I know, I still need to re-join the project.... Smudge the pelt into the earpink a little. She's longfurred, so it needs to show that fluff in the entrance of the ear. 01:00, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's a random black dot in the back-round. Maybe blur the shading a little bit more x3.  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 01:04, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over, if that's ok? 01:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Fern, Shoon still has four days. owo 01:07, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, actually, I'm going to withdraw. Fern can have the image. I can't get the shading right, and I'm going to try something else. Shoon Derp Dream, believe 01:10, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

So, this means she's mine, right? ps can I have a lead add me in as a kit I asked on the talk page 01:14, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think so Fern, but I don't know, she said you can have the image. x3  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 02:47, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

You can take over, Ferk. I'm adding you in right now k  <span style="">09:54 Tue Jan 8

-completely re-did the whole thing- I like starting fresh k. And I realized... This is my first charart on here 8D She's so sexxu >o< Reups~  23:04, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a bit gray, wonderful job~ =) 23:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's her shading that's making her gray. Want me to lighten it or something? x3 23:13, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Just a pinch. 00:51, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reups she's amazing <333   23:16, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading? This is lovely 8D 01:34, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reups~<33333 23:36, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Add a highlight or erase some of the shading on the tail. I don't think the entire thing should be covered in shading.

Put a shadow between the highlights on the back and shoulder 03:13, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

It's fine how it is Scar. 06:12, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Ferk?

Mmhmm. Reups. 02:08, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste around the entire image except the back. 00:44, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reups. 02:02, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the tail "highlights", blur the shading and the very.... read of the back, define the shoulder shading, and make the <<<< paw shading match the light source. 09:19, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Add some depth in the shading, it looks a little flat 00:37, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Reups.Completely redid the shading. I used the shading guide, though I might have over-blurred the shading a little. I used the first example of the shading placement. I'll fix that right away if anyone happens to agree. 22:14, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, I like this. Define the shading on her front legs, please! 00:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reups!<3333 16:24, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Adjust the shading on the face to match the light source used on the back 22:54, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Seems to match to me. Some light would still be on the back if the light came from the right. Define the tail shading though. 09:40, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowfang (star) - Under Evaluation
I know about the white background, I need someone to help me with that since It won't let me save on pixlr, so i had to copy paste onto Paint. I tried to make it as close to Yellowfang in appearence as possible. It sucks, so if it's declined I'll understand.

☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Unthumb the image and....... wait, is there..... uh, is there any shading on this? If there is, define it. But I really don't see any.... 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think this is 80% complete. There's no shading, it's pixely, and I believe it's the wrong size. 23:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Changing heading to Under Evaluation, and you have one week to get this up to standards before it's declined. 23:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ok. It is pixely, wrong size even though it looked ok and the thing. I tried my hardest at this, and I don't think I can do anymore. If it's declined, it's fine. I'll have to try something else and figure out how to get rid of the white background. Someone else can have a better shot at Yellowfang than me.. I can't shade. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

There are some tutorials you can look at the learn from on how to use Pixlr. Pixlr is fairly easy to understand, it just takes practice.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  00:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try look at the PCA apprentice tutorials - i've placed a request to join the PCA, so tomorrow I'm going to try and improve this, ok? Never mind about the message I put before this one... I can't try now because I've been on the PC for hours and my eyes are hurting... I'm going to reattempt this, add shading and improve it until it's good enough. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:59, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I can help you with this. I don't know what you used to make this image with, but as said, you can use Pixlr, but another good program to use is GIMP, and GIMP is totally free! I'm actually planning on updating my video tutorial on how to use GIMP, I might do that tonight and it would help you greatly I'd imagine. 02:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I need some serious help shading this on pixlr. Can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 15:09, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Use the dodge tool. It sorta looks like a hair dyer xD But that's the easiest way to shade.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  19:19, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Actually in my opinion that's one of the hardest ways to shade. Check out the apprentice tutorials for help on anything. 20:11, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Is that better?

Sorry, I'm going to change it a little.Going to get rid of the line round the edge, Shading is a little dark and it's gone over the eyes, so gonna lighten that up and remove the shading off the eyes. Going to make it better. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee! 23:16, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is a bit too dark, like you said in the chat, but you need to replace the lineart you lost as well as blur the scars and make the tufts more noticable.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">Kelly  23:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It still looks too big and it looks like there's lineart detail missing 00:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

You might be better off redoing it; I'm just saying, since so much lineart is missing and it just looks pixelly. One of the ears (the back one) looks... smaller and rounded. It looks like Smallear's ear rather than a torn ear. 00:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the scars, and fix her muzzle...it looks a bit odd. I honestly don't know why you picked as difficult a charart as this - perhaps next time just try a solid with no scars, ragged fur, etc. <span style="">13:20 Sun Jan 6

the cat is about 10% bigger than she should be and it looks like you removed some outer lineart. Plus, you picked really hard cat to make. But its you choice, I cant talk into it. 15:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's a work in progress. You see, I accidently saved it onto the computor when it wasnt full sized, so that explains the pixelated bits, and missing lineart. Now, I realised that, so I'm restarting all other again. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you want, I can help. I mean - I'm not great but I can make the fluffy lineart for you, if that would be okay.  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  15:47, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Really? Thank you, that would be a great help. Just the fluffy lineart, right? Thanks, as soon as you can? Because It says that I have until Friday for this to be up to standards. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Here you go. I tried ^^;;  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:37, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! That's beautiful! It'll be a great help! ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC) 16:42, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I know you probably already saved it, but I moved the muzzle a bit closer to make it look more squished. Once again, I tried xDD  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  16:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded That's so much better. Thanks, Echo, for the fluffy lineart you did for me. You're a life saver! :) ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Going to stretch the ear pink to fill whole ear and make it more pink. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:44, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Put some shading on the flank, sharpen the scars, darken and add more shading on the tail, and smush the muzzle 17:54, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

>totally didn't read that as smash the muzzle< The earpink should fill the entire ear. Define the depth in the eye and blur the shading tons. The shading on the front legs looks really weird, it looks like there's... darker spots in it. Your light source is all over the place, too, define a proper light source, 18:09, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There, but it might not show for a bit cause the photo uploading is playing up a bit...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:20, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the scars and smudge the tips so it looks like fur growing over it  22:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add earpink to our left ear. 12:48, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Left ear pink, scars blurred and fur smudged acheived. Anything else, or is that ok?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:47, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the ears, and the patches of fur that are next to the scars. 22:41, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

The space between her tail is gray. x3.  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 22:44, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the earpink. <span style="">10:09 Tue Jan 8

Re-uploaded Didn't realise that there was a gray patch between her body and tail - it was so pale I could barely tell. Pelt smudged into ear pink, blurred line art un-smudged... Anything else, or is it done? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:23, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her pelt looks really glossy. Dull it down a little? 23:17, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Her scar placement doesn't match the other images, like there's no scars on her paws on the others. <span style="">23:25, 01/8/2013

Re-uploaded Fur is duller, scars match her images more. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:58, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Shading's pretty blotchy on the body; blur it please 04:23, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded right, shading fixed. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:15, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. 16:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't. I try and try, but nothing happens... pixlr won't let me save, like I said a week ago, and I can't have any other sites... can someone help me? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:16, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'll make the background transparent once the image is approved, Sorrel. No worries at all. I understand what it's like to be stuck with only pixlr. .-.

Thank you - I really appreciate it. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail, and perhaps blur the scars a little bit more? This is quite lovely.

I don't think a scar can go overtop a tuft of fur. Where a scar is made, fur either grows on it and is unseen or no fur grows at all (maybe the first one isn't possible, idk.) Could you maybe remove the scar pink on the fur tufts? I don't know how to word this. 20:42, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded May take a while for it to load up again...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The scars are too red, and smudge the pelt into the earpink more. Define the eyedepth, and make the ragged fur more like her other images. x3 23:32, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste outside of >>>> ear, some of the eye lineart is missing/blurred, there's a bit of missing lineart where the tail meets the body, some of the lineart near the scars is blurred, mainly on the tufts, and there's still one scar going over the tuft, on her upper shoulder. <span style="">23:46, 01/11/2013

Re-uploaded Yet again, it will take a little while to come up.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  00:45 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Unfortunatly, it will take a little while to come up AGAIN. Got rid of a bit of waste I forgot.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  01:02 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The scars on the face don't really match with the other images. <span style="">02:12, 01/12/2013

Re-uploaded I looked at her pixels for loner and queen to see the scars on each side of her face, so it looks more like her facial scars now. Wait a little bit, the improved face scars should hopefully appear in no time.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  14:39 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on her tail a tad. ^^  17:34, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Tail defined.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:59 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

The shading's a bit blotchy right now and need to be smoothed out a bit, the scars need blurring and the tips need to be sharper, tail needs an unshaded part, it's completely shaded, define the paw and head shading, darken the base coat ever so slightly, darken the shading, and make some of the fur connect with eachother, so it's not like just one spike, it's more like fur. Look at her other images for an example of what I mean. Also add depth to the eyes and make the muzzle flatter and add a line on the nose like the other images to show it's kinda smashed in. If you need any help on the lineart just shoot me a message and I'd be glad to help. 20:16, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I've done what I can, Paleh. Can someone be a lamb and help me flatten the muzzle?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  21:47 January 12, 2013 (UTC)

You didn't add depth to the eyes or sharpen the scar tips. Also smudge the earpink and fix what seems to be blurred lineart there. Shading's still blotchy too. I can help you with the muzzle. 22:33, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Here 22:36, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded There. Thanks for flattening the muzzle, Paleh! The scar tips have been sharpened, the ear pink has been blurred and the lineart has been un-blurred, as far as I can tell. Oh, when Paleh said 'add depth' does she mean make the eyes darker, or something like that?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  17:46 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Throw in some dark and light colored pixels as if shading the eyes. |These These do not contain the StarClan blank eye shading, but you can probably get the idea from them. 20:49, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Ugh, orange eyes are difficult - you can't really see if there's much difference, so you'll have to zoom in.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  22:04 January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and the depth in the eyes 03:12, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Once again, wait a little, and the improved charart will appear.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:35 January 14, 2013 (UTC)

What ever you did, gaussian blur or dodge or whatever, appears outside the charart. Erase it. 11:29, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Oops. Didn't notice that, Quail. Thanks for telling me. I've erased the rubbish outside the charart.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:24January 15, 2013 (UTC)

She's a tad darker than her other images...care to lighten the base a tad? Make sure you chose the lightest part of her pelt on another charart when taking the colour. Also, make the background transparent. She be white right now. o3o <span style="">15:26 Tue Jan 15

Re-uploaded I took the colour this is now from her medicine cat image. Also, Berry, Cloudy kindly offered to make the background transparent if this is approved becuase the pixlr I have dosen't let me.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:47 January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, does this need improvement?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:41 January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up, you don't need to ask if there's anything else you need to improve. Users will comment, and if there's nothing, a lead can CBA it. Right now, the shading's fairly blotchy, and very defined on the shoulder and tail. Smooth that out? 00:56, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

There, Rainy. Smoothed out the shading.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  18:19 January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 21:48, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Defined it.☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  16:01 January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the scars on the shoulder and smudge the ear-pink a little 00:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

There. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  19:14, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the unshaded parts to blend more in with the pelt. 02:05, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:43, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. It's a very light gray right now. 14:32, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

They've stated multiple times already that they can't make it transparent and that cloudy offered to once it's approved. And it's not light gray at all right now... 0.o Anyways, define and smooth out the shading even more.. 14:39, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  15:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Barkface (Star) ~ For Approval
I'm a little rusty..okay very rusty. And I realize I named the file wrong. -.- Please excuse my noobiness. Comments?

The end of the tail looks like it's been cut off, make it rounder, and possibly the whole tail a little bit shorter. (dunno about that) and define the shading alot. 00:09, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the face highlight a bit, if there is one. (If that's the base colour.)  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 01:28, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading and blur it, and smudge the earpink into the ear. 02:16, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Make his body curve more rather than just cutting off where the tailtip used to be. 02:30, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded Well I tried XD 00:04, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's fine! Hm, blur the chest shading a bit. x3  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 00:15, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named File:Barkface.star.png. 02:35, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

He's looking a bit greeny-yellowy-golden right now. Make the basepelt match the other images more, and also define the shading a bit. <span style="">10:13 Tue Jan 8

Give him nose color. 21:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

@Oblivion I said when I first uploaded it that the file name is incorrect. I already put the move template so 'Teldy will get to it when she has time. @Berry I color picked it directly from the warrior so maybe it is your computer because it looks fine to me. Correct me if I am wrong. @Splook what color should I make his nose? The warrior image has him with black. 22:04, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well the apprentice's nose is pink, so I'd say pink. x3 22:49, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded XD Didn't realize that. Blurred shading and added the pink nose. Played with defining the shading, didn't look very good but if anyone else wants me to I will change it. I don't think changes are showing yet... 21:16, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, it looks flat. 23:03, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

The color's not exactly correct either... would you like me to get the base pelt from the file for the MCA?

Yea sure. 22:58, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I don't know what skye meant but I just went ahead and defined the shading. Changes may not be showing. 18:29, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Cinder. I'd forgotten. The base is #8C5729 for the MCA, and the shading is the base pelt on multiply, with two different layers. I know some don't use the multiply option, so use a darker color of the base.

No problem Skye! I'll do that. 19:10, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded New light source :) Looks more brown this time. Changes may not be showing. 20:19, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the flank, darken it all, and blur it 03:10, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded 22:43, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Give the shading some depth, it looks flat 03:59, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it looks flat. But thicken the belly shading and blur it all a tad, especially the paws? 06:01, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

@Paleclaw What do you mean by thicken it? 19:37, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Erm.... make it.... thicker? Put more of it there so it goes farther up the belly and is thicker. 21:03, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded Well I tried -.- 23:30, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blur it a bit more and switch the tail shading to the other side so it's consistent with the light source. 09:17, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded 17:55, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading some more. Especially on the stomach. 00:42, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still looks pretty flat, try adding another layer 22:40, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I hope it's better :) Changes may not be showing yet. 01:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Willowpelt (Star) ~ For Approval
Here she is :3 comments? 00:35, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! Blur the eyedepth (Unless that's just me being derpy)  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 00:39, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think the eyedepth is fine, we normally don't blur it. x3 The shading looks a bit blotchy. 01:05, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

It was me being derpy then, lol. Blur the ear smudging a teensy bit x3.  Prussia:  The Awesome Time Lord 01:07, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Not sure if the changes are showing or not. 12:14, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Shading's still a bit blotchy. Even it out and blur it. 16:50, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes aren't showing. Any better? o3o 23:54, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading and make it less dense all at one area. 00:47, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The light source doesn't really make much sense... the light source would have to be partially coming from underneath her. 00:59, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

How can I make the light source make sense? 14:22, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Shift the light to her belly and the underside and inside of the tail; so that it looks like the sun is hitting her on the back 21:50, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thank you Scarlet 23:58, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading on the elbow and belly a tad, and I think this will be ready for CBA. 17:38, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Stomach area, y u be mean? >8|  00:57, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Try thickening the shading on the stomach, and from where the shading's coming from, the shading side on the tail'll have to be moved middrift. Thicken the shading on the shoulder and face and lighten the ear-pink just a touch 03:08, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I didn't change the earpink because I got the the color from the part without any shading on it. If someone else thinks it should be change I'll gladly do so. 00:06, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur the belly/shoulder area and face shading a tiny bit? And also, lighten the earpink the tiniest bit. I love it, Silvereye~ Spottedpool AutumnClan (talk) 02:41, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes might not be showing. Not completely sure. 00:27, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 21:46, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can't believe this looks like I didn't do anything to it... >_> 23:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading more, and there's two light sources currently. One from the left and one from the right. please fix that. 09:17, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain how to fix it please? I've asked before on here and when I did so I'm still told it's incorrect... 00:29, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

You could just look at the shading chart in the tutorials. But if you must have text instruction for it, switch the side the shaded part is on on the tail and the paws and shoulders, or if you wanna make the light source come from the right instead, change the side the shading's on on the face, and make the rump shading a lot thicker since light wouldn't be shining on so much of it. 01:20, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thank you Paleh. 23:38, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I like this. CBA? 02:04, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you blur and smooth out the shading a tad? 17:38, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 00:13, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the closes leg just a little bit? 04:03, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="">04:04 Tue Jan 22

Reuploaded 20:18, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Define the "highlight" on the tail? <span style="">09:45 Wed Jan 23

Define the shading on the tail, I'd say. It seems really flat.

Thunder (Star) ~ For Approval
Asdfghjkl; these eyes x.x 05:50, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

The paws look a little gray... And define the light on the tail 03:00, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

You still working on this, Misty? 03:57, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Only been 3 days, no need to ask that. 10:27, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll have it uploaded tonight. 04:04, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded Lightened the shading on the paws and defined the light on the tail. 04:12, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Waste, and the paws still look gray, and I can't see the light source. 04:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Oi. Decided to redo the shading all together, changes aren't showing. o3o 19:23, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps lighten nup the chest shading and define the face shading 05:23, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded -flips table- This shading D8< 03:41, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful!! But could you add more depth to the eyes? 01:59, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Brambleberry (Star) - For Approval
Mmk here's Brambleberry, aka the best character in existance. All colors are from her MC, opacities of shading, hl, and fur textures are slightly different because they came out darker on the larger blank for some odd reason. 03:17, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

The markings look reeeeaaally gray, and define the shading. 08:23, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 02:16, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

No comments on this for a while, CBA? 22:52, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but the shading still needs to be defined a lot. 14:40, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Flintfang (Kit) ~ For Approval
Hello, this is my first submission for PCA. I saw this on the needed character art list, so I hope this is okay. I would love some criticism. Thanks! --Flutterangel (talk) 01:55, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Nicely done! I'd say just blend the shading a little more and it's perfect. 01:58, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I blurred in the shading a bit, however I may revert it, something just seems... out of place. :P Flutterangel (talk) 02:08, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste around the tail. Also, blur in the tail shading and shading to the <-- side of the chest a bit more to expand it out. Looks very nice! 02:43, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I cleaned up some waste, played with the opacity, and blurred in tail and left chest. Maybe there is too much shading now. LOL. Flutterangel (talk) 13:43, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste by the tail. Oooh, nicely done Flutter. .o. I'm very impressed, since this seems to be your first PCA image.

I would say this is over 80% done. Agree? 06:27, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yes, of course. I totally agree. Kit blanks are a butt to work with, and Flutter seems to know what she's doing. I think changing the heading to "For Approval" would be a good idea.

Why hasn't it been done? :b One SM can do it alone, dun need three. Changed the heading and I'll make you an apprentice. Fantastic job! Thin out the shading on <<<<< side of the chest. 09:14, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this?

Cedarheart (Star) - For Approval
Okay let's try this again. I get it, the muzzle and earpink need blurring and smudging and whatever else. However, Qway was pressed for time, and If needed, I'll get to it soon, maybe later tonight. So, criticize and critique away. This is not my best work. 05:42, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded My reasons above. 07:09, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

The gray muzzle needs to be removed, there's no cite for it. x3 13:21, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Well now, someone told me the muzzle should be there. Now why does Cedarheart's elder picture have a gray muzzle if it wasn't cited?

Because no one got around to removing it? o.O That happens, you know.

Smooth out the shading, it's a bit blotchy. Earpink too. And define/darken it to make it less flat. 02:42, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:28, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I like how his eyes look. I would smudge his ears a bit, so it looks less like a straight earpink line. <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 02:52, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading some. 04:02, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Brightsky (Star) ~ CBA
Before you ask me to remove the ginger patch on her arm because it's not on the other images, this is actually a different side to what the other images show. So comments? ouo <span style="">10:52 Thu Jan 17

Add a little depth to the eyes? 17:39, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">06:42 Fri Jan 18

Darken the shading on the ginger and maybe tint it red a bit? 00:34, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Define the earpink a tad ouo Beautimous. I lurvs the tabbiness. And though it doesn't show it on the other images, could you make it so the ginger doesn't go as far out? I'd say just about a half-cm. <333333 Spottedpool AutumnClan (talk) 01:19, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ginger's fine. It's on a different side than the other images, it can be however she wants as long as the style matches. Blur the chest shading a bit, and add a bit more depth to the eyes. 01:28, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:02 Tue Jan 22

I quite like this. CBA?

Darkflower(Star) - For Approval
'bout time I put one up. Comments? 21:38, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Is it me, or are the eyes a slight purplish colour? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!  20:14, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes match the other images, so I think they're fine.

Define the shading. 01:30, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit also. 19:32, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I didn't blur the shading because it's the /exact same/ as Molepelt, I just copy-and-pasted it. 20:04, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

As bright as my screen is, the image looks completely shaded to me still. Make the shading/highlights more visible? 22:05, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 22:21, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the back just a bit. 00:16, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 18:32, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight up further on the shoulder? 03:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think that it's fine. owo 01:47, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Nice job Duck! Maybe lighten the shading a tad? Bbun (talk) 01:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

I think that it's fine, she's a black cat and if I lighten it, she'll look like less of one. owo 01:57, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur where the shading meets the "highlights" and make it look more natural? Love her eyes by the way :) 02:03, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Shiningheart (Star) - CBA
Leave it to the insane Stoney to think up the most complicated tabby patterns. Hopefully, she slightly resembles the queen. All the colors are the same. Comments? 00:29, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

That was actually Stoner's pattern. Mounty just matched it with the queen. Blur the shading a bit. 01:14, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 01:42, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Make the stripes a bit less blurred. 01:47, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 02:48, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but some of them are too pixely nao. And the one facial stripe above the eye closest to us is still too blurred. 22:03, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded These stripes are gonna be the death of me... 23:12, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Some of the stripes still seem a bit pixely. Not sure if that's just how they're placed or not..

Re-uploaded Part of the pixeliness came from the previous un-blurring of them, i think 03:05, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with this, so let's try a CBA out shall we? 19:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you add a bit of variation in the ear shading? 03:56, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Not sure exactly what you mean, the ear-pink is over the shading layer, but I lightened the white fur texture 00:40, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Rainwhisker (Star) ~ For Approval
Comments? Bbun (talk) 04:05, January 20, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Define the shading on the tail. Wonderful job, Beebs!

'''Re-uploaded. '''Bbun (talk) 15:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Just blur/smudge the earpink a biiit more and it's good 8D You'regettingsomuchbetteryey~ 00:38, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.Bbun (talk) 00:41, January 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

CBA Ehhhhh? 00:42, January 21, 2013 (UTC) ouo

Sorry, but can you define the unshaded area on the front legs. And the nose isn't pink on the other images. And define the shading on the top of the tail a tad. x3 17:40, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. omg he looks kinda ugly now ;_;. Bbun (talk) 18:22, January 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Blur the shading a touch more on the shoulder and forelegs 22:46, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Bbun (talk) 23:00, January 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

The shading looks like it's creeping away from the lineart, can you fix that? 01:56, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-upple. Bbun (talk) 02:07, January 23, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Gorseclaw (TC) (Star) For Approval
Not very happy with the markings. Comments? BlooDino (talk) 05:03, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin the stripes out a bit? This is amazing, Bloo<333 -Feather 11:21, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reups~ User:BlooDino 19:08, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Make the stripes even thinner and add some smaller ones between the main ones on the back and blur the shading 22:45, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded~  User:BlooDino 04:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Spottedpaw (SC) (Star) ~ For Approval
Whew, might take a break for a while before I do another one. Spottedpaw's one of my favorite cats, because of code 14. Last, am I allowed to critique images as well? Suggestions for improvement for Spottedpaw? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 23:11, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes of course you are! Anyone can critique, regardless of their rank or whether they're even a member. :3 Give him more speckles rather than just the stripes, and smudge the stripes more. 00:35, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded  There we go, that definitely helped. Thanks! <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 03:03, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I see some waste, around his ear, tail, and back. Remove that please? Bbun (talk) 03:06, January 21, 2013 (UTC)Bbun

Make the stripey things a bit thinner, add some more very small flecks, and lighten the shading juuuust a bit so the color matches. :3 04:15, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Waste has been taken care of, and maybe the spots are a little like so? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 19:58, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

The spots on the other images are rounder and there are more smaller ones. 20:40, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Kinda did spots over. Added spots instead of stripes...You'd swear he caught measles! :D <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 00:00, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Very well done c: Define the unshaded parts a bit? 03:44, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Make the spots flow with the pelt a bit more. absolutely gorgeous. .o. <span style="">03:51 Tue Jan 22

Dilute the colors a bit. They're kinda saturated compared to the other images. 03:54, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Phew, sorry I'm a little late with updating. The unshaded parts have been sharpened. Now the spots, since they got smudged a ton, I erased a lot to dilute it, added another layer, smudged that, then made them a bit thicker with another spotty layer :D. Maybe the spots are somewhat like so? <font color="raspberry" size="2px">(KnightsofaRound) 00:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

One-eye (Star) ~ For Approval
Meh. All colors are the same as the queen, which match one of her other images.. I think it's the alt.. Anyways. Not sure how to do the eye, so... help anyone?

About the left eye, maybe make it whiteish with a tint of pale yellow to make it look filmy? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Hmm... I'm not sure. Since she's supposed to have lost her eye a long time before she joined StarClan, I would think that any wounds that had been on that eye would have long since healed itself... I dunno.

I think that the eye should probably have pinkish scar tissue around it like on the other images, but the color itself is fine. 20:59, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Eh.

Even for having one eye, she's still cute <3 Darken the shading a touch on the face, it looks lighter than the rest and maybe add some depth or red coloring (i forget if it's red on the elder) to the empty socket. 02:42, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I didn't touch the eye, since Breezey said it was fine... But if you really want me to, I can try.

It needs to be pink to match the other images. And also I agree about it needing more depth, it's rather flat right now, when it should look like a hole in her head. That'd be rather defined. 03:33, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Like this?

Try adding a bit more shadow at the very top. Gives the illusion of the cavity going in. 04:07, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Okay, I actually like this.

Swiftstar (WC) (Star) ~ For Approval
I love solids<333 Comments? -Feather 11:05, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

The color doesn't seem the same as the leader. Although maybe it should stay like that since the leader seems a bit too light to me

I think the leader image is too light as well tbh. I think this could stay the way it is. -Feather 21:41, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Same here. This is dark gray, the leader image is just gray. Other than that blur the stomach shading just a tad. 00:36, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Actually the leader is dark gray, though it wouldn't hurt to darken it a tad. Not much though. This is black though, not dark gray. 03:30, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

I reckon he should be around Crowfeather's colour, maybe a tad lighter than that. o3o 04:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 11:18, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Silverflame (St) ~ For Approval
(slaps on table) I am Shelly, former senior warrior of PCA. And don't you forget it. Now, critique away. 08:07, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Brighten, lighten, and saturate the ginger a bit to match, and make the furry texture look slightly more... whispy I guess would be the word? 08:10, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading. Uh, holy Skorm this is really neat. o.o

Re-uploaded. Just a quick test, does it look whispy enough with the shading low? 08:13, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. Needs to be a bit less sharp edged and, mainly on the paler ginger and the tail, smudged a bit farther. Also, forgot to mention before but define the shading on the feet and expand the "highlights" a bit. 08:20, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the shading on the face? And also, since you're putting the spine towards us, maybe cause the darker markings start to curve down a little more towards the tail close to the rump? Just a little more so that some of the ginger on the top could show. Who are you? I forgot. 15:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)