Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Fernpaw (TAQ), Ferntail, and Featherpelt
Bit of a conundrum here, guys. We have three different cats, but only two of them actually appear.

Ferntail is apparently supposed to be the kit of Sedgewhisker and Emberfoot, and Crowfeather's apprentice, as seen on Kate's blog. She isn't shown in the allegiance list for The Apprentice's Quest, both the iBooks preview and the official release.

Featherpelt appears, though, and she has the same description as Ferntail, but she is, without a doubt, the Featherpaw from Bramblestar's Storm, and one of Crowfeather's apprentices. There isn't anything doubting the canonocity of this character whatsoever... but it is interesting that she shares the same exact description and mentor as "Ferntail".

There's also a Fernpaw, and this she-cat has a totally different description. She's a dark brown she-cat, an allegiance-only character, and doesn't show up in the list we got from Kate.

What exactly should we do about this? We can't really add anything for Ferntail, since she doesn't exist as of the book release. Should we just delete Ferntail's page? Given that Ferntail is also listed as a kit of Sedgewhisker and does have littermates... this doesn't quite make sense.

We can't just have an empty article, though.

Add Ferntail to the minor chacter page? Inconsistencies. Great editors, Warriors. Just great. I'm actually getting seriously tired of all of these inconsistencies 03:31, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

But Ferntail doesn't exist anymore, so she's technically not a character. I don't think we can put her on the minor characters page.

Trivia? 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think it should definitely be trivia, because for example Jayclaw was originally named Jaywing(it's in his trivia), but it had been changed since Kate's blog on the allegiances.

Ferntail was in an early version of the allegiances, of course there will be some changes. I'd say delete because they do not appear in the final version.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:18, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

No, I still think they should be in the trivia. They were mentioned, after all. 22:29, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, it shoud be in their trivia, but they should be categorized as mentioned characters. Or, of course, Kate could be asked since I think she made the draft? But imo, the page shouldn't be deleted, it should just be in their trivia that they got drafted out of the final copy. 23:03 Mon Apr 4

I'm not sure it makes sense for the pages to be kept, though? They'd just be empty and sitting there. Characters who get changed have their old names serving as a redirect; such as Troutfin, when the name was changed to Milkfur... a trivia statement wouldn't hurt, just like I did for Stonewing and Jayclaw. I'm only asking this time because there seems to be a bit of a mixup with the apprentice/general list, and not just a name swap.

Have we reached a conclusion? 21:10, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well I was just looking and it is said that Fernpaw (TAQ) is the one that's Crowfeather's apprentice. — Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 15:56, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think that we should just leave Ferntail to the trivia and probably delete her page, and put Featherpelt and Fernpaw in the trivia as well. 15:59, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think that the trivia for Ferntail should also be in the trivia for The Apprentice's Quest as she was mentioned in Allegiances for TAQ on BlogClan.

So are ew going to do this? 03:32, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Poking this one more time. What is our conclusion on this? 01:52, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Alright I had a closer look at what in StarClan these characters are. Fernpaw and Featherpelt seem fine to me, Crowfeather's apprentice graduated and then he got another apprentice. Ferntail however seems to be a dropped character. That's what I'm seeing. Yeah a little confusing here.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:34, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

So are we looking to delete the page and add a trivia statement to The Apprentice's Quest, then? That seems to be the major consensus here. If there aren't any objections, I'd like to do this soon, that way we don't cause any more confusion.

Unoffical leaders (SPOILERS)
Sorry I should've brought it up with PC prior to doing anything. Okay so unofficial leaders, I know that this has been discussed before but in Darktail's case, he was heavily referred to a leader so many times Alderpaw was just like "why isn't he called Darkstar you dumdums". He refers to himself as a leader several times, and they drove SkyClan out and he is the leader of the rogues technically, and they all listen to him and stuff like that. Does that make him a leader, or should we put it as unofficialy? Same thing goes for Jingo, by the way. 14:21, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

A leader is a leader, regardless. At the same time, it would also be appropriate to clearly define what the leader rank is. Is it only a Clan rank, and if it is, then why are these cats clearly labeled as leaders of their own group? If so, then what's to say for cats like Furled Bracken and Stone Song, who were very much leaders of the Ancient group of cats we saw in Long Shadows and Sign of the Moon, and why aren't they entitled to a leader charart?

Is our blank only a Clan leader charart? If so, then why are all Clan leaders marked with "Leader" instead of "Clan Leader", when the leader rank itself is shown to be used elsewhere? Slash's group, Darktail's group (they'd also get a page, I think?????), Jingo's group, the Ancient cats, BloodClan, ect. There are multiple groups within the series that have a clear leader of their group, but they don't get anything special.

Right now I think we should think of status, not charart. What I'm thinking is that we have a leader, but maybe in the trivia it says they're not a Clan leader? Or maybe Leader (Unofficially), and officially can be a Clan? Idk I'm tired 14:30, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They're tied together, and you can't talk about one without bringing up the other, Icy. =P And technically, cats like Slash, Darktail, Furled Bracken, and Stone Song aren't unofficial. They are called leaders, and multiple times at that. They're just not Clan leaders, which makes me think we need to redefine what a leader is and who does and doesn't count.

a leader is a leader, regardless of the group, they have the same job even if they don't have the same methods, the only real difference is the nine lives the clan leaders get, so they really should get some kind of rank acknowledgement. all in all it's just up to the wiki itself if we want to use the images for non clan cats or not. 14:35, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but maybe we could have a blank for non-clan leaders? But this is PC, and I think we can call them leaders (non-clan) or something like that. We need to acknowledge that they are leaders, but not Clan leaders. 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

They are most definitely leaders, but perhaps we could create a Non-Clan Leader rank/category for them? I do agree that each group probably should have it's own page, as said above.

There are so many examples of non-Clan leaders that I'm surprised this rank hasn't been brought in before.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:33, March 25, 2016 (UTC)

Comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:12, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think a leader is a leader regardless whether it is of a clan or another group because isn't a clan just a group? 21:21, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Have we reached a conclusion?Stealth f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:22, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

It would seem so. Jaysnow (talk) 02:29, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Then what is it? Are we going to create a non Clan leader category? 15:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should have that and a rank too. We should rename leaders 'Clan Leaders' (because they are so often called that) then non-Clan leaders just 'leaders', because again that's what they are called in the books. They should be given a category and rank for it and the rest is up to PCA.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:37, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, do you mean PCA, or PC? Because if we give them a rank, we do have to have a blank for it, because that's hardly doing it properly. All other ranks should have a blank, so if we decide to do this, know that a blank will be necessary, as it is considered an official rank on this wiki. We can't reuse the leader blanks that we currently have, as they are Clan leader blanks. But that's a PCA discussion, not PC. I don't know if anyone else is going to comment on this, and since there was at least six days between your comment and the last, Stealth, I think it's alright to go ahead and ask for a final call for comments.

I really don't see the need for a whole new leader blank. Can't we do what we did with the healer blank - tweak the leader? But then again that is for PCA. This is PC and we haven't even decided if it's official or not. 16:50, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

PCA. Yes I meant PCA sorry. Anymore comments for this? PC comments?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:12, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Character Ages
Alright, so, I had a nice piece of information sent to me on tumblr last week, and I figure that it's kinda important, since it revolves around the character ages on the articles. Now, some of these appear to be right...but others don't make a lick of sense? tldr the image explains what I'm trying to say... but I really think we need to rethink when we add ages to character pages, because something's not right here. Do we try and fix these mistakes (as there are quite a few), or do we try something else instead?

I think we need this general rule: The ages will only change when a new book comes out and nothing else. I think partially the reason people are mixed up because maths is not the easiest in the world and it's hard to tell how much time passes in books sometimes. I think yes fix the mistakes and be very strict about ages being changed. Maybe only a certain few users (like the charart being changed on the character pages) are allowed to edit these ages. Might be a little hard to reinforce at first but people will eventually get it.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:36, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Stealthfire makes a good point. Jaysnow (talk) 00:37, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

I can reread the entire series and pinpoint the characters' almost exact ages by taking notes.

Let's try to fix all these mistakes. I know seeing the characters' ages helps me out a ''ton. ''Why don't we use the Events Timeline for a reference when we're done fixing it up? 00:42, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Why not just start over with the ages? Delete them from the character articles for now, rework the system (and when and why the ages are updated, just like Stealth said), and then put them back on the character pages? We could always use a PC subpage or something along those lines to have the approx. ages and the evidence that proves it?

I agree; I know that the DTC timeline is being made, and I think that would make it much easier to track the DTC cats' ages when that is finalized. For the other cats too, though, I agree that it would be a good idea to just clear it for now and add it back in later when the ages are updated. <span style="">02:10 Thu Apr 7

I think on a page ( timeline page or character ages) we should have a rough moon time scale. ie how many moons have past since Tallstar was made an apprentice till when was Bluestars made leader. This would help us get an accurate time span. 10:44, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should take them off for now, fix them, then put them back on. There's so many characters, and it'd be good to take them off temporarily to make sure we don't forget anyone.

I think it's better to leave them just on (for now) and make a subpage to put down notes per book and then change the ages for each specific character. It would probably be best to start with Into the Wild, since I will be reading the book shortly.

Have we reached a conclusion? R(Right now I'm working on a timeline so maybe I can help with this.) 21:10, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to poke this. 15:53, April 18, 2016 (UTC)

Have we reached a conclusion or no? 17:08, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

It's seems to me that everybody agrees that the ages should be taken off, then added back on later when the timeline is fixed. <span style="">18:41 Sat Apr 23

I'm not sure, it doesn't really seem like that. Does everyone agree that we should take the ages off until the timeline is constructed? I heavily disagree because it could be a while until the timeline is constructed. 00:45, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should keep them on, it's pointless to me to spend a load of time removing the ages, only to add them back on later. We should just keep them cause yeah, the timeline could take a really long time

Just remove the bit of coding that makes the ages show on the template. There, problem solved. It can be readded when the ages are fixed.

No problem not solved. The ages shouldn't be removed at all. They'll be fixed but they shouldn't be removed. Who knows how long it will be until the ages are fixed? I agree with Spooky. 19:01, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

why should they remain when they;re not right? it;s just giving out false information and I don;t see why other false information is rmeoved but this gets to stay, lol. 19:23, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Because right now they're really helpful even if they're off. They're not even that much off, it's approximate and it IS going to be fixed and I hope sooner rather than later. I just think it's very inconvenient to take it off when someone obviously worked hard to find it. We'll fix it. 01:21, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Icy, I was talking about on the template itself. It's very easy to remove, and since they're wrong, they shouldn't be on character articles. Just because people worked hard, doesn't mean it's not wrong and shouldn't be fixed. It can be added back when it's fixed, but for now, many of those ages are completely and totally wrong and should not be reflected on the article. We remove incorrect statements all the time, and this is one of them. It's not inconvenient at all; it's removing the wrong information until the correct things can be added.

I know you're talking about the template. However I think it's unnecessary as of now because the timeline might not even be complete. 10:17, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Lightflame has agreed to help me with the character ages and I have a template that will help. For now, we can hide the ages as Cloudy said (if you all agree). Would you be willing to do that, Cloudy? 15:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'll hide it once the conclusion has properly concluded.

What? Don't hide it. The conclusion hasn't been reached yet. When the conclusion is "hide it", then you can hide it, but right now don't hide anything because it hasn't been reached. 02:19, May 7, 2016 (UTC)

Uh, I said I would once the conclusion has been reached. I never touched the template after I said that. You even said in your last message "we can hide the ages", and that's what I was responding to. =/

here are the ages 21:03, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

So what are we going to do about those ages? Should we add the ones I linked? 17:50, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

So where exactly are the citations for those ages, anyways? Also, where does it say that Twigkit and Violetkit are only half a moon old? I don't think that's directly stated in the book... and I don't think Needlepaw's age is either; we can't go by how many Gatherings or when she was apprenticed, because she could have been apprenticed early or late, as we have examples of each kind. Cherryfall and Molewhisker due to various contexts given in the last half of the Omen of the Stars arc, anyways.

June FA
I know it's early honestly but this makes me feel better because school is almost over. Right, how about Sunstar for this month? I don't know, I was just reading BP and looked up on his article and it's really well written. Or does anyone else have any ideas? Throw them out, I'm not quite sure. 01:38, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure about Sunstar, looking at his BP section, it feels as if there should be more written, I think he would have appeared more than that. But you said we could give suggestions, how about Ashfur? <3 His article looks pretty good. Riverstar is also an idea because he is really important but hasn't been featured yet and his article is also done. Imo, Rock wouldn't be a bad idea either. Just suggestions though. <span style="">01:46 Thu May 5

I actually like Riverstar, or maybe Thunderstar? 01:52, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Oh Thunderstar hasn't been featured before either? Then I think that he would actually be better. <span style="">01:54 Thu May 5

YAY THUNDER! I will never call him Thunderstar he's always little Thunder to me :)

Yeah he's Thunder to me but I assumed I better start calling him Thunderstar because of recent books :P I'm in support of him, maybe we can leave Riverstar for July or something. 17:26, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Thunderstar looks pretty detailed to me, so I'd say go for it. The only problem is that Moth Flight's Vision isn't finished yet, and there seem to be some grammar errors and a few "short sentences" that could be detailed. I also think there should be a few quotes from A Forest Divided; he was pretty important in that book, and I know there's at least one or two that would work.

Since I did his article, do you guys want me to do that? 16:49, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, if you want him to be the FA for next month, it'll need to be finished. =P

Does anyone have any good ideas for quotes? I can't really find any. 18:04, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm just going to CBV this because no one has really commented about the quotes after this and even then someone can add one because I can't find one to save my life. 17:38, May 25, 2016 (UTC)

Ferntail
I finished her TAQ. She basically had no appearance and is only listed. Should this be a silver nomination or be leveled up to the grade "Started", since she only has one sentence of history?

There's a discussion further up the page as to what we're doing with her page. She does not appear in anything in the official release of The Apprentice's Quest. No allegiance list, no mention, nothing. She is only shown in an exclusive list on Kate's blog.

Tribe of Rushing Water Names
Alright so I was thinking about something this morning, but I way too tired to post it. When it comes to the Tribe of Rushing Water and their names, how we currently have it seems a bit... I dunno, cluttered. Given that the name in parenthesis is an informal name, wouldn't it make sense to change this:

Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook) is a sleek,[2] soft,[7] and thick-furred,[8] lithe,[1] brown tabby she-cat with gray eyes[4] and a torn ear.[9]

to something like this:

Brook Where Small Fish Swim, informally known as Brook, is a sleek,[2] soft,[7] and thick-furred,[8] lithe,[1] brown tabby she-cat with gray eyes[4] and a torn ear.[9] (for those who aren't sure what "informally" means because words lmao: have a link)

Given that the shortened name is very often used in casual discussion? Plus, it kinda makes it look like "Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook)" is Brook's name, when it's actually "Brook Where Small Fish Swim", and "Brook" is just her shortened name, kinda like how Icy's nickname is a shortened version of her old username, Icestorm123, Stealth is a shortened version of Stealth's username, ect.

I really like the idea, it does seem to flow better because the parentheses seem weird since it's an entirely shortened name in itself type of thing, yet next to the name which could throw people off if they haven't read about the character yet.

Well I agree that it makes sense when you say that it makes her name look like 'Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook)', but I wouldn't say she is 'informally' called Brook; everyone calls her Brook. Or like when Brambleclaw saw Night for the first time in like 10 (okay it was more like 1 or 2 but still) years, he still called her Night, instead of Night of No Stars etc. Imo it would be more accurate if it was 'Brook Where Small Fish Swim, more commonly known as Brook', because the name 'Brook' was used by everyone, and she was almost always referred to as Brook. <span style="">02:08 Sat May 14

This is a good idea. Jaysnow (talk) 07:19, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

May I get more comments on this? I'd really like to implement this if everyone agrees. I'm for adding "more commonly known" instead of what I suggested, by the way.

I'd rather more commonly known. 13:01, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Needlepaw ~ Silver Nomination
After writing almost all of her article, I still don't know how I feel about this character. Well anyways, she's finally done and that was actually easier to write her whole article then I thought it would be. <span style="">02:50 Sun May 15

I actually really hate her character - there are typos like "Needlepaw'" and "Needelpaw" and a few more, can you correct them? 17:45, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Updated <span style="">01:25 Mon May 16

Comments before vote? 17:38, May 25, 2016 (UTC)