Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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On Alts
I think we need to be a bit clearer on what constitutes an alt and what doesn't. That's just me, however.

On a similar note, I'm wondering how it is that we decide what is a mistake in descriptions and what isn't. My confusion came from comparing Willowshine's description against Redwillow's. For Redwillow we did not take into account the likelyhood that being described with a tawny head, most likely meaning he was entirely tawny, was a mistake. For Willowshine, it's entirely possible that she is either a dark or light gray tabby, but we have plain alts for both dark and light gray.

I know this may seem silly, I just want some clarification as to how this wiki goes about deciding what's a mistake and what isn't. 23:34, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I see what you mean, about Redwillow. You're right, it wouldn't seem like he'd have a tawny head out of nowhere. He'd probably get an alt for being plain tawny. 00:54, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

AH, thank you, Shellheart. I was thinking the same thing not too long ago. I always thought that Redwillow should've had a tawny alt, and that Willowshine should've had a specific shade from the beginning. Maybe take into account how many times she's been called light vs dark and use the one that's been used the most. Then she can have an alt for the opposite shade. 01:24 Sun Oct 30

That sounds like the most logical thing, Wildheart. I've always felt that cats should have descriptions based on what they are called most. I could go into the Dovewing's eyes debate here, but I choose not to. 01:39, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing... Yeah, let's not start that. xD But yeah, I agree with you. I've always found the Willowshine thing confusing myself... 01:41, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

So what is to be done about this? 03:19, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Iceheart and the others haven't commented yet, and I'd like to hear their opinions on it as well before anything's enforced. 03:22, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oops I forgot to add my two cents. This bugged me as well, because, say, we have a cat described as brown, but at one point he is referred as flecked. To me, it would seem to be a part of the normal description but they just forgot it, but too, we don't know what their intentions were with the cat in mind (especially minor characters)  03:26, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

I say that in the end, we should always add into descriptions what would be most genetically possible. This is the decision we made with ginger stripes, is it not? So a ginger tom with a tawny head? Most likely not possible. Just because the Erins don't pay attention to genetics doesn't mean we can't. And when it comes to specific shades of a basic color like with Willowshine, we should go with whichever one came first and make an alt for the other one. So Willowshine would be a dark gray tabby, not just gray. 06:37, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, I like that. Let's go with what Shellheart said. XD 06:58 Mon Oct 31

Although, if a character was described first as a dark gray tabby (just an example), and then for the rest of the books, was described as a light gray tabby, we would probably go with the light gray tabby description. I don't know how to put that into a guideline, though... 07:00 Mon Oct 31

I'd like to get the opinion of one more lead and either Iceheart or Scareltwind before anything is done. 12:45, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

IM a science nerd so i love the idea of sticking to the genetic rules. I think this could work. 01:57, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

I mean only when it comes to alts that can be questioned. We can't stick 100% to genetic laws, as the Erins do not and as there are genetic anomalies in the word. I have, in fact, seen a white cat with black paws and ears. 02:13, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Kay, so what's the final decision before this thing gets archived? 15:48, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think that Redwillow should get a whole new alternate for being described with a tawny head, and for Willowshine, I think it was said which ever one it was described as first would be the original color, or the one that was described as the most. 02:02, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Questions
I have a few questions regarding charart alts. First, would Minnowpaw get an alt. for being described with dappled fur? Would Pouncepaw get an alt for being described with a short tabby tail? Would Redstar get an alt. for being bracken-colored? Would Leopardfoot get an alt. for being described as mottled? Would Sweetpaw get an alt. for being described as a mottled tabby?

I realize that we may have had discussions about some of these questions, but I wasn't paying attention, so would someone kindly explain to me why they would or would not get an alt.? Thanks a lot! 23:44, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

I guess some of these would get alts and some not. 23:51, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

I know that. I want to know which ones get alts and which ones don't. 23:57, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Minnowtail I'm not sure about, probably, but then again you only need to add darker spots persay. Pouncepaw probably would be if the lineart is an alteration. Redstar, probably would get an alt because bracken-colored is different than ginger (i.e. Mosspelt). Leoparfoot and Sweetpaw are the same as Minnowpaw. That's what I've gotten out of the few...discussions/questions I've seen. :P 02:20, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if Leopardfoot did, cause I wanna do hers :P 14:24, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Would Pouncepaw then be a tweak or a normal charart? I think Leopardfoot should get one since solid black and mottled are different. 23:54, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Pouncepaw might just have that description be added to his overall description, so his charart should be tweaked. Redstar I think should get one, since if we go by Mosspelt's alternate the color is much different than Redstar's charart. About Sweetpaw and Leopardfoot, they would probably get alts. I remember there was once a Sweetpaw alternate up but it was declined because we didn't have the default brown rule yet, so that's what her alt. would be. 02:06, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Since Pouncepaw was an apprentice, and his tail was still growing, he probably wouldn't get an alt for a short tabby tail as he's already tabby. 05:46 Thu Nov 10

I think they all should get alts. 02:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Something Fun!
I was talking with a few other users in the chat room and had an idea that seemed to get some positive feedback. So, I thought I'd propose it here.

How about a friendly charart contest? Everyone could customize the best/most creative charart they can think of and upload it (on their personal image file, of course) to see who can make the best. I can't think of anything that could be used as a prize except recognition of excellence/awesomeness from the project.

Does anyone else think this would be a good idea? It could be fun. If anyone can think of a way to improve the contest, maybe by proposing a theme we all have to stick to, that'd be great. 03:51, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

That'd be super fun! Even though I'd epically fail! Lovely idea. I'm in. 04:10, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm definitely in, and I have some ideas. Maybe we could have two rounds: one for apprentices and one for warriors and leads, because I don't think it would be fair to have a new apprentice competing against the leads (who are all amazing at chararts). Also, for a theme we could use Christmas. I know it's still a month away, but there's already tons of adverts in shops and there's lots of room for the imagination to go wild, so I think it would be good. 09:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I think this would be awesome! I do agree with Specklestream, there should be two rounds. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  09:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I love this idea!!! Leaf-storm,11:40,November 5,2011 (UTC)

Yes! 11:50, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

But what would we do about the inactive apprentices? Just remove them? 12:01, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

We could have everybody who wants to do it sign up. Then we would know the numbers and we wouldn't have to worry about inactive apprentices. 12:25, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm in for sure! 12:49, November 5, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Interesting idea, and it wouldn't be taking up space, since the users participating would be uploading over their personal image file. ;) Christmas sounds like a good idea too. Hmm.... Hopefully this doesn't cause clutter... 13:33, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Great idea! I like the idea about the two rounds thing. ;) M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   14:22, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not good at Christmas stuff. :'( But oh well. If you guys wanna do it, I'm in for it. And yeah, two rounds is good. 14:25, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think we'd be better off with a more PC theme that everyone could get in on.... hmm, how about just seasons? We could have a two-tiered contest with four categories at first (Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter) and we pick the best from each category to go on to the final round in which they will have to make another charart to fit a new category? I agree with the separation of apprentices from warriors and leads, so we'll be having two separate contests with two winners in the end. I won't be entering, as I intend to be one of the judges. I'm so glad everyone likes this idea! As soon as we get the go ahead from either Scarletwind or Iceheart, the contest will be on, so don't start uploading chararts on your personal images for the contest in the meantime. Until then, though, if you want to enter just leave me a message on my talk page that includes your rank in the project. 14:41, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

This is a great idea! And how about instead of doing it on here, why don't one of the leads create a subpage (under their name of course) where we can have the images displayed? If we do that, I'd be happy to host it :) 15:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

That's an awesome idea! Thanks, Oblivion. 15:05, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yay, seasons! :) Tell us when the subpage is created. So where would a signup thing be? If we make a thing for the signup we should have sections for each season for people to sign up on. 16:07, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Love this idea. Warning you now, mine isn't gonna be very good! 16:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Just go sign up here! ^^ 16:26, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Great idea, Shellheart <3 This sounds like fun. (just a note to the leads - don't archive this discussion as I have it linked on the mainpage's news) 20:21 Sat Nov 5

Are we allowed to put things in the background on our image? Sky- VoldemortxMcGonagall  ftw! 00:18, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. 00:31, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I swear you're an idea stealer! I told Cloudy I thought a charat competition would be cool! DX Naw it's alright, you know I like to tease! I'm glad to see that a lot of people are entering. I already have a good idea, but can you put multiple cats in it? 05:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

When does the first round start? -- 13:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm so in. Lemme know when it starts! ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 17:23, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

'''The first round is on! Go here to make your submission!'''

Am I still allowed to sign up? I missed the conversation. 09:30, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Of course you're allowed to sign up. 20:13, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, yay! I love this idea. 04:49, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Okay Im seeing alot of people uploading on seprate files. Unless I misread it or somethin', your supposed to upload it over personal image, right? - 01:22, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Chararts, Getting Too Good?!
I'm not exactly sure why i'm saying this but just hear me out. Well i'm beginning to feel like the images are getting too good. I mean theres all these new people and I feel we can't keep up with all the senior warriors and warriors now, I feel they're getting too good to keep up with... 16:18, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

We're good because we practice a ton, and most of us have been here for quite a while. Each artist has a different skill level, and you shouldn't compare yourself to anyone else. There's nothing wrong with chararts being "too good", because to be honest, if they looked bad, then PCA wouldn't be doing their job. >.>;;; 16:24, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but you'll just have to keep practicing. We can't make our art worse so the apprentices can keep up more easily. I 18:32, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just keep practicing, and you'll get to the same skill level as the more experienced users. It takes lots of dedication, hard work, and effort. Just ask any of them. 20:34, November 9, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Don't worry. Sometimes I feel like this to, like how I'll never be as 'good' as them. But we don't always go at the same pace, and we have to remember that. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:08, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

How can chararts be too good? We do them, to make them please you guys to fit the character. Like Cloudskye said, each artist has a different level and we practice ''all the time. ''If you're new, it's obvious you won't be as good as the senior warriors and older warriors. And in what matter can't you "keep up?" All you're supposed to do it comment. The artist has to keep up with their work. You can't be too good to keep up with, every user is just the same. 21:24, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I have a point and slight reason to disagree with what Cloudskye said and Splashpelt repeated; I haven't practiced almost at all, some people are just good with art as it is. I'm not saying my chararts are amazing and everything, because i know they're not, but i'm going by what others say. And overall, all i'm saying is some people might not need to practice as much others, but I do have to agree that we should not have the feeling like we need to compare to others. We are all amazing at chararts, needless to belive we should compare them. :) . 22:41, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Thistle. This project is to create and improve charart, not to compare our skills to others. 23:11, November 9, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

If it's any consolation, look into the history of this image: and tell me that practice hasn't made me better? It took me, I think, four months to get approved, but now it gets done in a matter of mere days. Just try doing different cats, pelt types, blanks, look at the various art tools at your disposal. Yes, not everyone needs practice, but some do. I believe that with a little hard work, everyone's art can be as phenomenal as the leads'. 23:41, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ivy, you're not the only one. File:Oakheart.warrior.alt.png was my third image, and it took me quite a few months as well to complete it. Now look at me. Geting images approved in a matter of days. It takes tons of practice. Yes, some are blessed with talent, but for those who aren't, practice is the only thing you can do. Look at tutorials, ask how the others make their images. But, don't complain about it. >.> 23:46, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

What would be the point of having Senior Warriors and Warriors if they weren't more experienced, and therefore better at chararts than the apprentices? We should all just be called warriors if there weren't different levels of skill. We've all been apprentices at some point, and all know how it feels to see, say, the leader's chararts, then see yours. It can be discouraging, but all the warriors and leads have gotten where they are by practicing. It's not like any of us got good over night. I think most of us have had those chararts that have taken a couple months to be approved to. :P So, as everybody's already said, just keep practicing, and don't compare your chararts with other's. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivy and Cloudy. My first charart (Rainflower) took like three months to get approved! Just keep on practicing! You know the saying: "Practice makes perfect". Always works. Just keep on practicing. Then you'll regret posting this. xD 01:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's okay, Loud! Ok, Ivy and Cloudy aren't the only ones either look at the first upload of File:Skyheart.warrior.png! I practice chararts almost every day, and I promise you it helps you a lot. Just read the tutorials, and listen to what they say. Soon enough, you'll great skills. :) 03:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I know how you feel, honestly. When I first joined, I envied all the lead's art as well as some of my fellow apprentices' *coughcough*Iceheart*coughcough*Wildheart*coughcough* I know it's sometimes hard not to compare yourself to others, but I don't think you're being quite fair to yourself. You're a newer user and don't have as much experience as the rest of us. You'll get better with practice, tutorials, and finding your own style. I felt just the same with Night Shine, but take the time to look at their styles, tutorials, see what works for them and then make your own style with mixes from others or something that's totally your own. Maybe tabbies aren't your strong point, that's fine. Everyone has their own specialty. For me, I think it's ginger and white cats, Iceheart, torties, you get the picture. I can offer you three bits of advice: I hope this helps, Loudsplash. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Stay true to yourself and give yourself a reality check. Some of us have been here longer and we have more experience and practice.
 * 2) Practice with different styles, different blanks, different ideas. You'll get there
 * 3) Don't be afraid to ask older users for advice, but not to fix your mistakes for you. That's something you have to learn yourself.

How can chararts be too good? 02:18, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

No offence but this is something stupid. How can chararts get too good, they never get perfect, to me, perfect doesn't exist. Chararts can only keep getting better and better but never pefect in my eyes. 19:38, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hiatus
I was hopoing it wouldn't come to this, but for the rest of the month I will be taking a long hiatus. Reasons I will not give. Anyone who wants to take over Wind (Q) is more than welcome to. I'll be back December 1st! 00:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, we'll miss you :( Do you mind if I do Wind? 00:15, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Of course Oblivion. ^^ 00:16, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! See you December first, and I hope everything's okay :) 00:19, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I hope everything's okay also, see you until then, buddy! ^_^ 03:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Aw, bai Silvereye! We'll all miss you, see you in December! (Perry is gonna glomp you) xD 12:33, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Bye Silvereye for now! 05:28, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shading Placement
I understand that this might not concern some people, but I've seen several charart tutorials and most of them have a section on shading placement. It kind of bothers me that there are different images on the shading placement, that have different places where the shading is put. I understand all the light source thing, but I think it would be less confusing if we narrow the different images of shading placement down to one, shown on all the different tutorials. That way, if we all follow the one shading placement image, when it's gone up for approval there hopefully houldn't be any comments on "Move the shading on the midriff closer to the middle" or whatever it is? Ideas? 06:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

We don't HAVE to use what's on the guidelines.... I don't. In fact, I've never used the shading redlines or anything of the sort. Each artist has their own style, and the guidelines are there for the basic placement. Actually, I don't use a light source, either. xD 06:29, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

But to avoid comments like center the shading on the face more, wouldn't it be good if we just kept one of the guiding images? I'm not saying that we have to use it, just so the artists can get a pretty good idea of where the shading should go. Also is there a highlight placement image? I've never come across one. 06:49, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The only shading tutorial I've ever even looked at is the one on Nightshine's tutorial, which is here. As for a highlight one, I wouldn't know, because I don't use those either. 06:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Found one for you. Look here, on Ivystripe's awesome tutorial. XD 07:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nvm^^. I read it wrong. 07:04, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

We can't tell people how to set up shading. What would the point of that be? We chan suggest that they make their shading more logical looking, but as long as it fulfills its purpose (making the image look more three dimensional by showing the contours of the body) there's no reason a member can't put the shading where they please. 12:44, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I understand that's fair enough. But for example, what if someone isn'y sure about a light source, or what it should look like. I'm not talking about anyone in specific here, but most people know what a light source is. I've seen some comments on other's chararts, saying move the highlights/shading there. I also realised this happens mainly for hightlights, and I think in tutorials we need to be more specific abotu about where hightlights should go. 05:25, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Redoing Images?
Okay, FEEL FREE to COMPLETELY disagree with me. But anyways, I'm starting not to like the rule, when someone redos an image, they have to do the rest of the character's images. I know it's a fine idea and all, but people sometimes don't follow that rule, and the images turns out fine. People actually don't follow that rule quite often. Besides, without the rule, it would give more warriors a chance to tweak an image. Bottom line, I'm not so happy with this rule, and there are so many rules in PCA. 01:13, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I might not be a warrior but when I am one, that is one rule we can do with out. I just want to tweak charart's so i know how to do those certain types of cats, like white's or tabbies or torties, and others. I don't want to have to follow taht because that limits the amout of charart's you can tweak and i find it unfair. Rain face &lt;3 01:16, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

To me, if you can copy the other artist's stripes or markings, you're fine. The user who has done the first image shouldn't have the act to focus on everything else. If you can copy, then do it, in my opinion. 01:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

How about asking permission from the person first before redoing an image that they were supposed to? (kinda like redoing an image & asking a lead) That way people wont bring the rule up when this occurs - 01:27, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I did that with Wildheart. I don't like this rule either, and we aren't exactly following it at the moment. Since it was created, we've violated it at least 10 times. 01:40, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I still like the idea, but maybe not make it so much a rule but more a basic good idea. So maybe, say that it's a good idea but not an actual rule. Other users would be given the chance to do characters that have been started by other users. i.e. Say I did Firestar's leader again but Stoneclaw decided to try his warrior. That'd be fine, but if the charart becomes to difficult, the other artist could be asked to do it since it only takes about 2-5 days to get approved. Thoughts? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:47, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can see what you guys mean, but, this is in place too to prevent a person from redoing an image then not doing the rest. Take me doing Goldenflower for example. I did a very complicated tabby pattern for her. Now, if I had just left it, maybe somebody else might do her queen. But they get frustrated because 1) they don't have her base colors and/or 2) It's too complicated for them to perfect. Also, I would have been kind of frustrated with someone doing one of her images because I knew exactly how her stripes were supposed to look on both sides of her, and that's something else to take into consideration. I'm not saying we have to stick to the rule, but I do rather like it. I do like the idea of it being a guideline, but fights could break out if, say, I did Goldenflower's warrior, then somebody did Goldenflower's kit, and I had wanted to do all of her images and there was nothing to say who was right. 01:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's idea. So (another example) lets say I for some reason re-did my first image, Skyheart, and all of the other images had to be redone. Someone could as me if I could do one of the other images, and I'd reply either yes or no. If no one ever asked me if I could do one of the other images, then I'd automatically do it. How's that? I am terrible at explaining things, so if that was difficult to comprehend then tell me. 02:43, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ivystripe and Scarletwind. I think that the rule should stay, because the artist who did one rank knows the style and has the colors, but if someone askes if they can re-do the image, the one who was re-doing all the other images had to reply a yes or a no. If they say yes, and the one now doing the rank with permission finds it too difficult, the original artist doing all the ranks can take over. 05:32, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if I like the idea of it being a rule, I think I like it being an idea. What do you guys think about this? 05:54, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think an idea is better than a rule. 05:31, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Might I join? Hope I can be active enough. Two weeks is the max absence right? ~Breezewhisker~ 04:52, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly's going to be happy to see this. Of course you can join! Read the guidelines if you're confused on anything, and I highly doubt you'll need the tutorial link, but here it is anyways. xD 05:21, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Also, yes. It's two weeks without activity, unless it's a legit reason - like a family emergency or something of that nature. 05:24, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. ~Breezewhisker~ 05:41, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

May I also join? I'm active pretty much every day, and I've been practicing with the program and I think I've got the hang of it. D a  z  z  l  e  w  i  n  g  A  star  with  a  purpose 08:28, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Of course :) Please look at the guidelines and the tutorials listed above if you have any questions. Welcome to PCA! 20:29, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome Breezewhisker and Dazzlewing! 05:42, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Blanks
Shouldn't we remove the old apprentice blanks from the main Project page? 18:55, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Since the new ones are up for approval now, I see no need to keep the others up; users might thing they're still being used. 20:33, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Should we remove MCAs from articles, too? I can't see why they should be on an article if the apprentice image is being remade. 02:20, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, MCAs'll go as well. All forms of apprentice images. 03:56, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I am now proud to announce that all apprentice images have been deleted off every page that was in the apprentice category! Thanks to everyone who helped out :) 04:32, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Inactive
I'm so sorry for being inactive! School has gotten to me. I noticed being taken off for inactivness. I'm sorry but can I rejoin? Leopardheart  Creature Of The Night  23:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that was the only reason YOU were taken off. I'll add you back in, if and only if you promise to use your own work from now on. 23:17, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I promise!! I really didn't mean to last time! But you don't have to and thats okay. Leopardheart Creature Of The Night  23:21, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Is Laynabug gonna be added in? I mean, Laynabug, I don't see how it is possible to "accidentally" steal art. 02:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I mised up the files!! I guess I won't be added in then. :( Leopardheart  Creature Of The Night  03:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I really have no idea, I am not a lead, but I guess you will be added back in. 03:02, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I will talk it over with the other leads. Since it was my art you stole, I'm still a little mad. However, if the others agree, we'll add you back into the project. 03:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just to add, you didn't catch when you uploaded it, Hollyleaf.kit.png and not notice anything wrong with the name of it? 03:06, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

^_^ 'Tis true. Gah, edit conflictions  03:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I'll add you back in... But, if I ever catch you using artwork that is not your own, I will be kicking you out of the project, as well as reporting you to one of the sysops. 03:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I promise I won't ever do it again! Leopardheart Creature Of The Night  03:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'll hold you to that. Please, re-read the guidelines before commenting on anything... We don't want any problems, do we? ;) 03:59, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Art Theft
I was wondering, say, someone on facebook coloured in one of our blanks here, and posted it on their wall, does that count as art theft? If so, there is a girl there that is colouring them in than putting them on their wall. 00:33, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Facebook isn't Warriors Wiki. Yes, it's considered art theft. Please, ask them to remove it. 00:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I just did. What part of "For Warriors Wikia only" don't people get? 00:38, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Post a link. Then we can swarm :D 00:39, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Don't let Shelly see this...please.... *is scared of what might happen* 00:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Aha, I'm looking now if she took 'em off. If she didn't, I post link >:D 14:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Good. Hehehe 14:29, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

She took 'em off. xD No swarm :( 14:32, November 12, 2011 (UTC)



Question About Reserving
So in the little iWhatever sneak peak it gave the names for a few of the ShadowClan apprentices' warrior names. Is it okay to reserve the charart for the warrior now, or must I wait until the book comes out to reserve them? Reserve, not put up for approval. ~Breezewhisker~ 08:39, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, do you know their description? 12:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to wait for the book to come out. 14:58, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

All right. Will do then. ~Breezewhisker~ 23:45, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

A question
Would Mapleshade get a deputy charart, when she said "I should have been ThunderClan's leader!" because it could be that she was the deputy than. Thanks, 14:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

She never said that she was a deputy. That quote could mean that if she was a warrior in ThunderClan long enough, she may have become deputy, then leader. 14:46, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I never said that she was the deputy I said she could have been the deputy. So it could be a possibility. 14:50, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

True. I'll look around for a confirmation, or something like that. 14:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Unless she said "I was ThunderClan's deputy" then no she doesn't get one. Lots of cats could be deputy but they don't get pixils. 15:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ivy's correct. No statement, no charart. That would be a little out of hand. Maybe we'll find out more information on Mapleshade in the upcoming books. Who knows? You did bring up quite a valid piece of information though. 21:25, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. 21:58, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

More art theft on Facebook
Yup, title says all. I've reported the picture and messaged him/her. Attack the link, if you'd like. :3 ^_^ 20:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

grrr.. 20:41, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Idiots, I tell you. I reported it as well. 20:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reported, * Leaf likes reporting* Leaf-storm,21:21,November 12,2011 (UTC)

Reported as well. Swarm! =D 21:28, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Swarming is fun! =) 21:30, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Also, to kinda help, sort through the family of the user. I've noticed Lionblaze has an image of ours. (But of course, his account is private and won't let me report the image.) :3 Brambleclaw does too, but I reported that. Oi, so many idiots that think they can get away with it. :P 21:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

We should create a group on Facebook: The defenders of Warriors Wiki, or something like that. Our mission is to eliminate any and all images that are uploaded outside of this wiki. 21:42, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

OMG perfect. IDK if your sarcastic or not but I love it! 21:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

xD Yess! And I noticed the Lionblaze image too, but yep. Private :P 21:45, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Agreeing with the above about the group. 21:47, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I so made the group. Come join! 21:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just saying that my account has my middle name as my last name due to privatary reasoning. (Mom) :P 21:55, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine. I don't mind. XD 21:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * _; it says closed group! ;_; meh can't join.... 22
 * 05, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can. Any join requests much be approved by myself, Splashy or Feather. 22:06, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I know fail but...how do you join....I'm so n00b.... 22:12, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

There should be a request to join link or something of the sort on the page. 22:14, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Top right corner Sandstorm. 00:50, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I requested to join after reading Sweetflower's and Cloudskye's instructions.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 01:10, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Good! 01:15, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I so joined the group :3 12:30, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I finded somethim more:

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/warriors+app down is "hided" charart of Scourge Leaf-storm,13:07,November 13,2011 (UTC)

Joinage (I'm Rebecca by the way XD) 14:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Can I Please Join?
CAN I PLEASE JOIN AS AN APPRENTICE? Thanks ♪ ★Hollycloud♪ ★ 04:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in the official way now. Read over the guidelines before commenting on an image. Also, if you need help, we have a tutorial for all members to look at. 07:18, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
Earlier toda I decided that I am leaving PCA for a bit, i'll probobly come back once I feel like I can contribute better, but i've just been nothing but a bump in the road to the wiki since i've returned. Mabye by the time i come back, i'll actually have improved on my charart.

So. . . I guess I can be removed from ze' project now...xD

. 07:09, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Feather, you suck. >.>;;; 07:10, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

sorry. :S. 07:15, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

FEATHER! >:( ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  08:35, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

That's really sad, but hopefull you'll be back soon. 15:52, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Feather! You better be back soon. xD 15:54, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, bye Feather, be well! Come back when you can. 16:29, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, Feather, why must you leave us? ): Come back soon! 18:35, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Harakiri-wish - Join Request
Can I join the project please? Harakiri-Wish ,18:08,November 13,2011 (UTC)

Alts
In CoTC, Boulder is a blue-gray tabby, Onestar is a brown tabby with white stripes, Willowshine is a sliver or pale gray she cat, Echosong is a gray tabby with a white muzzle and chest, do these get alts? If yes may I do Boulder or Onestar? Also Leafpool was in a two leg den if Willowbreeze gets one, should Leafpool? 19:26, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Apprenices
When the new apprentice blanks are approved, will the apprenices be put on the approval page or the tweak page? I'm thinking approval, but I'm not sure. Bluestar11796 19:47, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Probably tweak page because they are being redone. 20:25, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak. We're not creating any new files, so each image is simply being redone. 20:26, November 13, 2011 (UTC)