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Millie
Apparently someone changed her description from a silver cat to a light gray one (I guess it's because she was described as gray more than silver). And from my knowledge, silver =/= gray. Should we change the silver images into alts, according to this? (Sorry about my wording)

I...? Don't quite follow? Which images are technically the silver ones, and which ones are the gray ones? I'm so confused and can't tell just from a glance.

File:Millie.warrior.alt.png File:Millie.queen.alt.png File:Millie.loner.alt2.png are the current light gray alts. Her main images are the silver tabby ones with the dark stripes. Since now she's light gray (idk who changed it but I can see why) I was wondering if her silver images become alts while the gray ones become the main images (Sorry, I tried to explain. This is what happens after I get roasted in the sun for a while)

is she light grey or silver? 02:54, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

She's light gray. Check trivia for reason. I switched the description, because of, again, what is in trivia. I asked someone, forgot who, about switching the images around to match the description but they said it was fine. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, I'm just stating why this wasn't brought up at the time.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  07:02, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Well the thing is, silver is not gray, they are different shades. We have had gray alts for silver cats + vice versa and I don't see why this should be an exception. Gray tabbies do not have black stripes.

That maaaaay have been me, my apologies. I actually thought stripe darkness was artist's choice, hence why I never brought anything up. If I'm wrong, however, then we should technically make images to match her current description.

Anymore comments?

Minor alts. - yay or nay?
As per Jayce, I think we should do a discussion about this after uploading Ravenpaw's alt. I believe that some alts that are so minor shouldn't get an alt.. but if it was approved in the past or was there a discussion about it before? I don't know. Shrewtooth has an alt similar to this and does any other warrior cat have an alt like that? Comments? C o s m o s n e s s 🐾 #cat lady 04:37, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

If it completely contradicts something, such as a character being shown with white when they don't have anything cited for it, like Brackenfur, then we should keep them. White is not pale and cannot be added as an artist sees fit, even on tabbies, and requires a valid book citation. We also don't use the graphic novels (and the book covers themselves) when we create descriptions for our characters, unless they are graphic novel exclusive (Diesel, Pine, or Duke, for example), due to them not showing coloring, and the artists are only given a basic description as far as I'm aware.

There's also lighting and coloring differences, depending on where and when they're printed. Foreign covers of one of the Graystripe's Adventure books, The Lost Warrior, is a prime example of this. Some versions are lighter in coloring, while the original English printing is darker and you can't make as much of the background out. The Sight has a version where Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw, are all shown with mistaken eye coloring, but that was fixed prior to a release, I do believe. The mistake with Fading Echoes and Night Whispers original colors is another example as to why we don't use covers or images as citations except when the examples of Duke, Pine, and Diesel are concerned.

If it's something such as Ravenpaw missing a small speck of white, or a character shown with a pale muzzle, then I don't think we need these. Chararts that are supposed to be a solid color are being given pale underparts and things of the like, due to it being artist's choice. Robinwing and Oakstar come to mind when I say this. So, I'd really just say it's more of something that isn't necessary anymore, due to changes in our artists and styles for PCA. At one point in time, they were considered valid, but as things change, so do we, so these images are no longer warranted. I'd say we could keep them around and not delete them, however. We may find usages for them in the future.

I also have a similar question. For example Hawkwing is at first described as a solid dark gray tom, but then a dark gray tabby? Same with Sagenose. I'm still really confused about some stuff, so forgive me if this seems stupid. ;-; 04:58, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

I guess I should add should we make alts without stripes. 04:59, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Those are when a cited tabby (Thornclaw, Firestar, ect) are shown without those cited stripes. Otherwise, if it's just a ginger cat and not a cited tabby (Billystorm), then they do not qualify for the alt. Ginger is ginger, but in order to qualify, they need to have the word "tabby" in their description. We add stripes due to a ruling made at least, what, six years ago? Ginger cats are shown with stripes irl, and I don't think a solid ginger cat is a real thing....

Also, if they're called a tabby, then we add it to their description. Hawkwing wasn't called solid (if he was, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE OMG THEY RARELY USE THAT WORD IN THE SERIES), just dark gray. We found a tabby cite later on down the road and it was added to his description.

If the alt is just a single misplaced marking from a manga, or just a singly mentioned mistake, I don't think an alt is necessary.

Depends on what kind of mistake you're talking about, Spooky. Loads of our alts are one-time mistakes. They're still valid.

I meant small ones only mentioned/seen once, specifically ones that are only on one part of the body - wouldn't need an alt. So that would encompass (imo) Shrewtooth, Ravenpaw, and perhaps even Fallowtail's ginger patch muzzle mistake.^^

Yeah, but I think the Fallowtail one was directly said to be a mistake? And that completely contradicts her description, so I think that one can stay.

Yeah, the Fallowtail one should stay imo, as well as things like Toadfoot's gray paw. I really don't think ones based on really minor mistakes from the graphic novels should stay though, as in the case of Shrewtooth and Ravenpaw. There's really no need to have a whole alt for something like a paler muzzle (especially since the project allows pale parts on solids) or a misplaced bit of white. 01:19, August 1, 2017 (UTC)

^^ Since this hasn't been commented on in a while, just gonna add that i agree with what Ivy said.

Anymore comments?

Tawnypelt
So this is probably a really stupid question, but would the mistake where she is called deputy in TAS warrant an image? I am gonna guess no but I wanted to ask in case it does... 22:19 Thu Aug 24

no, this hasn't been done for any other images so 00:14, 8/25/2017

Actually, I think she would. We gave Ravenpaw a rogue image when he was mistakenly called a rogue in A Clan In Need. 04:28, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

im agreeing with bluestar, but would we add a cite for her being called a deputy too? 04:31, 8/25/2017

Rank mistakes are charart-worthy, as far as I'm aware. Ravenpaw is outright called a rogue, and we have multiple cites to prove that's a mistake. We've done it before. Also, no, Broken. Trivia only.

Agreeing with above. I noticed Nightwhisper got a loner image, too, despite it being a mistake. 00:27, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

My question is, why do we give art to the characters who have rank mistakes? They are not the ranks they are described, considering it is a mistake. We do not add any mistakes on the art, such as if a cat is described with ragged hair by mistake, we do not give ragged hair. It is a mistake, pure and simple. They should not have that rank if they never were it. 02:55, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

If we make art for description mistakes then why not rank mistakes? What's the difference? They're both mistakes. It wouldn't make sense to make art for only certain mistakes and not others (besides if they're really minor but obviously a rank isn't minor)

We either make art for all mistakes or no mistakes. Given we've already been doing it for years, it is completely and totally counterproductive and, quite frankly, a waste of our time to go through and remove all art depicting mistakes. A rank isn't minor, and is worth of a charart. We have always done that, and I see no reason not to show it. We're not adding it to their infobox or anything. It's a mistake, and it's noted appropriately in the triva section of the specific character.

But it is a mistake. I understand getting an alt because maybe that is how the character was seen writing. I do not understand why we make charart over a simple rank mistake. I never said we should remove it. I see no reason why it should be there at all if it is just a mistake. 07:45, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

Because they were said to be as such and it should be represented. A mistaken rank is just like a mistaken description. It's still a mistake and should be shown.

Anymore comments?

Yeah if we do description mistake alts, I think we also need to do rank mistake alts.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:08, September 23, 2017 (UTC)

Healer Blanks
Ok ,so,,, I asked Skye about the question, but they doesn't know either and they suggested ask here. So the Healer blanks were meant for the Tribe kitties, but what about the Healers with the Guardian Cats? Would they get the same blank as the Tribe Healers or a whole different blank entirely? They both are very similar ranks to each other, so would they both get the same blanks, or would Guardian Cat healers get their own blank? 01:59, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I mean, they're not really similar ranks at all. Tribe healers are leaders, medicine cats, interpret visions, and are in charge of their tribe. I haven't gotten to the end of TS yet, but as far as I've seen, the GC's healers are more of just medicine cats, as per Fierce saying they don't have leaders in their group.

guardian cats have no leaders. that alone disqualifies it, since the healer is a modified leader blank. 22:03, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

I think we should make a guardian cat blank (as is kinda-sorta being discussed on PC's talk), then add herbs to that. Then they'd be guardian-cat-healers :)

From what I can see, they're not exactly leaders, like a Tribe healer, just a bunch of medicine cats. They could just use a modified guardian cat blank, since someone will have to make those eventually. I personally say to make new blanks for the Guardian Cat healers. 22:07, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Agreeing with Spooky, I think we should use a modified form of our new Guardian Cat blank for their images. They're not healers in the sense of being leader-medicine cat combinations, so they shouldn't have images using our current Tribe healer blank. 23:23, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Modifying the Guardian blank to add herbs sounds good to me, considering they're all kinda blended in the ranks but still seperate.

I agree. They really see themselves as more equal ranks, but some have different duties to others, so it makes sense to just have a modified blank.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:10, September 23, 2017 (UTC)

can I join?

thanks in advance :)

Sunstar
As Sunstar was mentioned to be golden in Tallstar's Revenge, does he get an alt image? Or are ginger and yellow too similar to gold for it to be neccessary? I apologize in advance if this has already been discussed.

Is that when he was leader? Because I think that this would already cover it.... there's no point in making a second alt for something that would be similar enough.

That sounds fair. I just thought because those yellow ones were for one under interesting facts "He was originally described with yellow tabby stripes and green eyes in Secrets of the Clans.", but there's a seperate one under the mistakes section that says "He was mistakenly described as a golden tabby."

True, but it wouldn't it essentially be the same coloring? I would think that a golden tabby would have yellowish stripes. Not 100% sure, someone else can comment if they've got a better answer.

Idk isn't golden a bit darker by a few shades, or at least have a different saturation than yellow? Since he was a mistakenly called a 'golden tabby', examples of that would include Leopardstar, Oatspeckle, Lightningpaw, and Star Flower (for a general color palette) so I would agree with it qualifying for an alt imo. But that's me.

I disagree Sunstar getting a separate alt, because as far as I can tell "golden" is a shade of dark yellow. Like if Sunstar was described as "pale yellow" or something, I would agree with them being different enough, but I think yellow is kind of a partial of golden, if that makes sense (like how we don't give alts to dark ginger cats for being called orange). 20:37, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

This is from wikipedia:

"Gold, also called golden, is one of a variety of yellow-orange color blends used to give the impression of the color of the element gold."

so I guess gold is a form of yellow. I guess maybe just tweak the current yellow one to make it gold.Stealth f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:12, September 23, 2017 (UTC)

The current one is fine. It doesn't need to be tweaked. That one is for yellow stripes, we don't combine mistakes like that, just like we don't combine descriptions.

FYI
Just an fyi to the senior warriors, leader, and deputy. No need to tag images as "Approved Character Images," it's just approved character images now. Alongside others - like, Kit Character Images is no longer needed, just Kit character images, and the rest is like that as well. 21:43, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

Guardian Cat Blanks
We are discussing the possibility of "guardian cats" on the PC talk page, and it seems that we are already putting guardian blanks as roles. So I believe this is the best place to bring up the possibility of guardian cat blanks - should we make one? 21:34, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

I believe we should. They are their own group of cats with their own territory and such and their own roles. <font face="Brush Script MT,cursive" color="451179" style="font-size:17px;text-shadow:4px 4px 4px #b278ed;">C o s m o s n e s s 🐾 <font face="Papyrus" color="3a3ce4" style="font-size:10px;">#cat lady 22:23, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

I also agree they should have their own blanks. 22:27, September 28, 2017 (UTC)

Blanks sound good to me. But another question- should the healers get a blank (basically just a guardian cat blank with herbs) or should they just keep a regular guardian cat blank if these happen?

I definitely think they should get blanks. As what with I said in a discussion above this, I say that healers get a modified guardian cat blank with herbs

Guardian cats should definitely get their own blanks. Also agreeing on the healer discussion. I would like to try the blank if this conversation gets approved. 00:20, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Pepper, I get that you want it, but this is not the place to say such. Anyways, I also would agree that guardian cats' healer would get the same blank, except modified. 00:36, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Agree for both. If COTP got a blank, this certainly should. (I can't wait for being able to submit to do these blanks lol). <span style="">00:58 Fri Sep 29