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Bluestar (Alt. Apprentice) ~ Declined
Tell me if it needs the nick!

There's waste by the head area. It needs the nick, since it's the alt image, and it has the nick anyway. Also, you need silver on the tail-tip and muzzle, as it has to match the other images. ~ Stormsong Let it storm&#9835;  22:36, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Reups!: Better?

If this is the one for TUG then it shouldn't have the nick, as she's shown without it...

Darken and define the shading 08:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the shading, but please make up you're mind about the nick

No, she doesn't get the nick. Please remove it. 12:18, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I have to redo her do...

No you don't, just overlay the linear art over the old one, on a new layer. then fill in the gaps 22:33, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I lost the file I what I mean...

Withdrawing lel, I cant do her right...

I'll take over. 21:01, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The colors are all from the queen alt. 21:17, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs 02:28, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, please.

Reuploaded. 14:43, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Theres like a line of shadow from her back butt to her middle of her thigh? Idk if you were doing that on purpose but it kind of looks weird... Also add a bit more shading in between her belly and legs Storm  &#9835;  13:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading. 12:20, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 18:30, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading 09:13, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:11, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Put more shading in between the belly and the foreleg right by the elbow/bend in her leg. Storm &#9835;  22:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:14, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, a bit? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 00:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the facial shading, if there is any. 02:44, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the highlights on her legs. They just look like lines of a slightly brighter colour right now. 12:17 Sat May 30

Reuploaded. 15:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur those highlights even more. They still just look like some lighter lines to me. 13:29 Mon Jun 1

Reuploaded. 15:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 20:31, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

This should be named Bluestar.apprentice.alt2.png and could you blur the highlight line a bit more on the foreleg closest to us, it still looks like a line. Storm &#9835;  22:59, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Can you tell me why it needs to be renamed? There are no other apprentice alts on her page. Also, this is as blurred as the leg highlights will ever appear. 23:09, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

My bad. The charart list page said it was the alt2, ill change that. Storm &#9835;  23:14, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

We do not know Bluestar's rank in CotC and TUG, therefore this isn't warranted. Sorry.

Berryheart (K) ~ For Approval
wee~ Probably won't be able to upload on weekdays but I /can/ update on Fridays. <: 14:23, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

It needs a white neck like the other images. And define the light on the legs, and tail Storm  &#9835;  14:25, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

oh god it's disgusting ;;  14:33, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, tail, and the chest please you forgot those Storm  &#9835;  14:41, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

it's still horrible  14:57, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

There's literally still no light on the legs/paws. get rid of some shadow Storm  &#9835;  15:02, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Shrink the white on her front paws, please. They only look that way on the queen because of how long her legs are.

'''Better? ''' 15:26, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define and add depth to the shading? The image is looking kind of flat. Good job on this though! 15:35, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ice, when you say "The image looks flat", you mean define the shading everywhere, right? Because I think that needs a bit more work upon touching :) Good job with smudging. Very nice. 18:36, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

I hate shading ;_;  19:11, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

You are still forgetting to put light on the legs. Define the light on the chest and tail and define the shading on the side of her face... This charart is literally all shading. Define the light everywhere. Storm &#9835;  22:37, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

The white is looking a little grey on my screen… maybe lighten it? Idk whether it is only my phone 06:56, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

It isn't just your screen, it's really gray, add some highlights? Are you using pure white? 11:48, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

I used pure white on her queen, which is the first image in the set, so you'll need to do the same.

She did use pure white, but it's literally all shading. Adding to my comment earlier, get rid of some shadow. Storm &#9835;  23:02, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Latte, check this out 12:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll remove shading, but I'll do it on Friday. Sorry. 21:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

well I got some time today so  22:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the paws and legs... Chest, head, and tail... Storm &#9835;  04:28, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

imo it's fine, but if it's not, idek how to define it .-. 21:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

No. I agree with Storm. Erase some of the shading on the chest/add highlights. 22:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Please don't start the "its fine" thing. .-. Storm  &#9835;  01:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Storm, chill. Leave the enforcing to the leads, please. Vibrant, we're not starting the "it's fine" thing. These images are put on the approval page to be commented on before they go on the character's page. These comments are said for a reason, and no one's images are perfect. Not mine, not any one of the other leads', not yours, not a random warrior, kit, apprentice, whatever rank. That's why this page is here. Your white looks extremely gray, and in order to match the queen image, which I made, you're going to need to brighten up the white, as it looks like her image is black-and-gray, instead of black-and-white.

Soften the transition between the white on the neck and black; it's a bit hard-edged 02:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

'''Better? '''Skye, can you send me an .xcf or .psd or whatever so I can match the colors. (no idc about my email or shiz unless it's spam) Send it to here: mintiimonster.blogclan@gmail.com 13:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

There's still no light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  13:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed  14:44, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I will gladly send you a file! She's on her way right now. =)

Define the shading/light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  22:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading between the left leg and her side and add/define the shading between her legs and on her back paw 01:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the lack of uploads. I'll upload a new version later. 21:25, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

quicker than expected 21:32, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

...Define the shading/light on the legs......... Storm &#9835;  21:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

This is getting stupid ;-; 13:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

What's getting stupid? Being asked to do something on your image? This process is the whole point of the approval page, and if you're not okay with that, then I don't know what to tell you.

^ and please erase some of the shading on the legs and neck. I can provide a redline for you if you want 13:40, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

'''I'm saying that my art is stupid. '''The shading was still wonky, and I can't change it much. Sorry if I confused/hurt anyone here, I clarified. 21:53, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Your art isn't stupid. You're trying, and that counts. It's all part of the process. Anyways, define the shading a tad? Maybe add some highlights to make the shading stand out more? 13:28 Mon Jun 1

Define the light everywhere please Storm  &#9835;  19:16, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 14:22, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light source. Brighten the white a lot. Look at some other examples of black and white kits. Storm &#9835;  14:31, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Storm, I think you'd actually need to explain to her, because you are just repeating the comments without actually telling her how. I suggest you to either erase some of the shading on the chest and legs. Otherwise, create a new layer, set the mode to overlay and use white to color in the parts where there is light hitting, afterwards you blur or smudge it. 11:38, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hootwhisker (W) ~ For Evaluation
Ok I edited it. Looks MUCH better than the old one, the shading is much better,i added a pupil, i erased the waste, and i blurred the ears. PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Hey, it's gotta match Hootwhisker's apprentice if I recall correctly..-- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 07:04, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

You misnamed it, it should be named Hootwhisker.warrior.png. Other than that, match his apprentice image as Nachtide said, smooth out the shading, clear the waste, blur the earpink and define light on the legs. 07:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images. It messes up the page. There is also texture to match. Define and darken your shading. This should also be titled 'For Evaluation' instead of 'For Approval' since its your first image. Storm &#9835;  11:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

He also doesnt appear to have a pupil... Define eye depth as well Storm  &#9835;  12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, since it looks like the redo nomination for the apprentice is going to pass, I'm not adding texture, so that's fine. But isn't this a bit smaller than the usual warrior blank? 14:39, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It has the right size to me, but the lineart is covered on some parts. 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It does seem to be covered in some places -are your other layers under the lineart? Also, there seems to be a random black dot between the ears. Can you either blur it if it's shading, or get rid of it? 20:23, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

I just realized "the random black dot" is a disconnected part of the lineart, so don't get rid of it. Can you expose the lineart though, like I said above? 20:22, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images .-. He still needs a pupil. Blur the earpink a bit more as well as the shading Storm  &#9835;  01:08, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

How am i aligning them, it looks normal to me, the pupil and shading and earpink i get. PoppyShine (talk) 01:37, May 23, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

When you post an image it should be File:Example.warrior.png what you are doing is File:Example.warrior.png|left which messes up the structure of the page. Storm &#9835;  01:40, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

The lineart seems to be covered still. Are you using layers? If so, make sure the lineart is above the other layers. If not, I highly suggest that you do - it would be a lot easier. Other than that, define the eye depth, I can't see any. 12:15, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

It still has a lot of waste around the image. Storm &#9835;  21:42, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Say you reuploaded it everything you reupload :P 00:57, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

There's waste above the ear. Also, I'm having trouble seeing the shading, perhaps define it a bit? My phone's real crappy, so again  it might be just my screen  10:53, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I redid the apprentice - the base colour is 424242, and that's not texture - it's just how I did the shading. If you want to make similar shading, Poppy, I used a 1px brush and used fairly large circular smudging movements. Of course you don't have to if you don't want to, I believe. 14:40, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Snowsplash, I'm having trouble seeing shading as well. Darken and define it please. Also I still don't see a pupil in his eye. Define the depth of the eye as well. Storm &#9835;  22:50, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define/add shading to his right/our left ear and tail. And Snowsplash, I see the waste too, just above the left ear 03:25, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Add pupils, you can see some of mine for reference. 03:32, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

xD, since my computer screen was soooooo messy at that time, I thought the waste was just from my computer screen. PoppyShine (talk) 18:12, May 26, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Define Shading 23:59, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink up a bit? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:57, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I still see waste above the ear. Also please stop aligning your images. Storm &#9835;  02:35, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink slightly upwards, define shading on the tail perhaps^^ 13:10, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste in front of the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  16:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

There's also waste in front of the chest 21:39, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Poppy, you have to say that you reuploaded it when you edit the charart at the bottom of the comments. And please stop aligning your image. It messes up the structure of the page. If you need help, just ask me on my talk page. Also theres still waste in front of the back paw I mentioned earlier. Storm &#9835;  01:08, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and cleared the waste. I always name the charact Hootwhisker.warrior, how is this happening? PoppyShine (talk) 01:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

You keep adding "thumb|left" onto the end of your file. If you go into source code editing instead of just visual editor, then you should be able to see it. When you upload a picture, just upload it regularly. It should say just File:Example.warrior.png. You're putting File:Example.warrior.png|thumb|left which messes up the page. As for the image, define the light on the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  01:45, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How do you define the light? PoppyShine (talk) 02:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Erase some of the shading, since the apprentice image that you have to match doesn't have highlights. Oh speaking of which, I think you need to match the texture/shading style that the apprentice image shows as well. Storm &#9835;  02:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How can i do that? I use Pixlr..... PoppyShine (talk) 04:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Storm, there is no need to match the shading style. Also, Sorrel said that the "texture" was the smudged shading. As for this image, please define the light source. I suggest using GIMP instead of Pixlr, as it's waaaaaay better. 11:24, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well..... I honestly dont want to use GIMP because it wont work on my computer. PoppyShine (talk) 14:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Try Paint Tool SAI Storm  &#9835;  17:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so where should i define the light source?Leg?Paw?Haunches?Ears?Head?Muzzle?Back?Tail?Chest? PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

The whole image please Storm  &#9835;  00:11, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and defined the shading, hopefully this is enough. PoppyShine (talk) 23:11, June 1, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Oops wrong image, here it is. I added some little line texture thingies. PoppyShine (talk) 01:03, June 2, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Could you possibly define the shading on the neck, and what are these very light brown lines I see throughout the whole flank? Storm &#9835;  19:17, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Just asking, is there supposed to be texture? I thought Sorrel removed it when she redid the apprentice 22:42, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

She did, you're right. So please remove the texture. Storm &#9835;  22:51, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ok. PoppyShine (talk) 23:39, June 4, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Here. PoppyShine (talk) 23:56, June 4, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Poppy please dont align your image. I've told you how to not align them two times. As for the image itself, please define the light on the legs, head, and tail. Also I see that you seem to be just adding block shading around the edges of the image. Please look at the Apprentice Tutorials to get a better view on how to shade the warrior image. Storm &#9835;  00:09, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a bit more. 00:32, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Alright I reuploaded it. PoppyShine (talk) 02:16, June 6, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Did you check the apprentice tutorials I linked? If not, I strongly recommend it as the shading does appear to be the same as last time. Storm &#9835;  13:17, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sorrelstripe (Apprentice) ~ CBA
I tried shading without blurring or smudging 10:04, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

In that case, what did you use it looks incredible! 0.0 define shading on the toes, and light on the legs :) 10:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

The base looks a little too dark. Would you like the .psd Sziri? Storm &#9835;  14:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups For the shading i use a small brush in a lower opacity(40-45) 19:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in <== that ear? Storm &#9835;  22:00, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

That ear doesn't need shading- almost all of my images don't have ear shading over there, and I don't think the source requires it. Most of the time, the ear is completely covered by ear pink, and shading that isn't mandatory either.

'''Comment? ''' 19:26, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you can ask for comments just yet Storm  &#9835;  19:34, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I think its fine if they ask now. The last reupload date was more than 3 days ago, and the only comment since then has been declared invalid. Storm, please leave things like this to the leads- its a part of our duties. You are still an apprentice. =\ As for the image, define the facial shading if there is any. It may just be my phone's screen, so if you think it lools okay, then its fine if you choose to ignore me. Wonderful job! =)

Breeze I'm a warrior now K thanks. Also I didnt tell them they couldn't ask. I said I think they couldnt. Way different. As for the image define the light overall Storm  &#9835;  22:08, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define shading a bit? Its hard to see. 23:34, 05/31/2015

Regardless, you've really been acting like a mini lead by saying such things. Your job right now is to critique the image itself- not scold the user. All I'm asking is if you'll chill with that- your attitude isn't nessecary. Define the tail shading while your at it, please. 21:36, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 05:12, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups I think the shadig is still hard to see btw :p 15:44, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, it's cool. CBA?

Appledusk (Star) ~ For Approval
Right, my turn to give it a crack. 22:39, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  22:54, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I just lightened the shading cause I think it seemed too dark. 23:37, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

You still need to define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  23:43, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 04:18, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define light on the forepaw, smooth out earpink, and maybe define shading on the part where the shoulder meets the side? I love his eyes 13:41, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the depth on the face 13:58, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Dunno if this counts as face depth but define the eye depth? For a traitor, he's got some nice eyes. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:59, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Chuck everything under the shading! It was asked for! Have you read Mapleshade's Vengeance? Mapleshade is more a traitor than anything. Anywho, I made the eyes by lining up the colours from his warrior image, then blurring it together. Works very well with images that have lots of room for the eyes. 04:48, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

The face is now too dark. Lighten it up please Storm  &#9835;  13:05, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you not to put the eyes under the shading :P define light on the tail 13:25, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I've lightened it around the eye. I just don't want to mess around with it because it's so pretty! 04:37, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. 10:21, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs. 23:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in the earpink in ===> this ear. Storm &#9835;  01:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Err, there isn't any shading. I've put some highlights previously but that's all it needs. 04:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Then add some shading in that ear Storm  &#9835;  17:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

With Stealthfire's source I don't think she needs shading there, Storm. 20:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

When light is shining inside a ear, you still need some shading at least to signify the actual depth of the inside of the ear... Storm &#9835;  21:56, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I tried it Storm, and it looked terrible, blurred or smudged shading. I gave it a bit of highlight for depth, and that is more than a lot of images are given. I'd like a second opinion on this, but please do not insist so much as I feel this is about to turn into an argument. 22:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading and either lighten it a bit or tint it. I don't know whether it's just the scream of my iPad or something, but the black shading just kind of throws off the colour for me. 12:13 Sat May 30

a pixel of waste ontop of his head. 14:43, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Is that better? If it doesn't work then I'll redo the shading to match the warrior a bit more, cause I got it right there. 22:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define it a little more; and make the face shading...I don't know, mould to the face? Right now it just kind of looks like a blob of a darker colour. 03:59 Sun May 31

Reupload Is that better? 05:24, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpen the edges of the shading a bit? 23:36, 05/31/2015

I think all you've done is darken it. By define, I mean sharpen the edges, like Ferk said. Also, I think what you've done is just overblur it entirely. It's just not working right now; as I said before, it just looks like darker blotches in places. Sharpen it some more, or add a second layer to give it some depth or something. 13:14 Mon Jun 1

Yeah I just redid the shading altogether. 22:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

The fact shading still needs work. I think it's too dark and still throwing off the colour, and it's just not working as shading should. It still looks like a dark blob, not adding any sort of perspective or shape. Please fix it. 06:22 Wed Jun 3

I am going to lighten some shading, but don't just tell me something you already said before then leaving it. The way I'm doing it is obviously not working because the problem is still there, so tell me a way to fix it, then there might be more progress. 06:29, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Given your source, I think the shading could be on either side of the head and still work. I've used this source and had the shading on the other side and it looks slightly better. Why not switch <-- arm shading and the head shading to the other side and see how it looks? Also, Berry's comment was fine, imho. It's still more detailed and suggestive than most of the comments I've seen over the years.

Sorry Berry I was a little frustrated the same suggestion kept coming up. Can you show a red line or a picture example Jayce? In my head, it makes the light source really confusing. 06:41, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Do you see where the head shading is on Brackenwing's alt? (yes, I know it's choppy, but that's not the point) Well, Appledusk has the same basic source, with the exception that the left paw (<--) and the head shading are flipped to the opposite side. Why not try switching that, so it matches Brackenwing's source, and see where it gets you? I think it's just clashing because of the eyes, and that side of the image is kinda cluttered with the lineart, the eyes, ect.

Define the leg shading a smidge? Storm &#9835;  19:19, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Hmm, not too sure. 04:54, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

This looks much better! Well done~ See, sometimes, while the source will work with most images, there are occasionally those buggers that don't want to cooperate with you, and I think this was the case here. =\

Switch the tail shading to the other side. With your new light source it'd be on the other side, as well as you need shading below the neck. Switch the shading on ==> that paw, since the light source is coming from <== here. Also add a liiiiiittle shading on ==> this side of the chin on the head. Storm &#9835;  14:36, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Grr. 23:22, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Why are you growling at me...?.... Define the light on ==> this paw/leg, and switch the shading on the tail to ===> this side at the base of the tail. The middle to tail-tip is fine. Storm &#9835;  00:03, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure she's growling at her image, not you. Also, I think the tail shading is acceptable- I use that tail shading on all of my images with this same source and have never once been told it's anything but fine. I can clearly see her source as it matches ones that a vast majority of the images here have.

Reupload Yes I was growling at the image. 23:18, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Juniperpaw (K) ~ For Approval
21:36, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

lighten or darken the shading, I cant see it very well. 21:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Darkened because if I lighten it, it will be the same color as the pelt 22:10, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and a tiny bit of the chest 00:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

It might just be me, but I'm having a really hard time making out the actual structure of the face. Could you possibly lighten the base a smidge and/or the shading so we can actually see the lineart through it? Storm &#9835;  01:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think lightening the shading would do the trick. The base itself is fine, and a shade I've used many many times before.

Re-upped I lightened the shading a few ticks. Hopefully that's better. 20:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Could be my screen or my eyes, but could you define -> this earpink? I know there's shading but I'm having some trouble seeing it. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 21:48, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I was actually meaning to do that myself, just forgot. 22:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

There's a straight line of black/near-black waste on the top of his head to our right ear. 13:51, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Waste has been removed. 14:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Waste on the edge of the images. its one pixel wide, so its not notisable with the naked eye very well. But if you zoom up close, you can see it. 20:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I hate waste. 22:14, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the hind paw? 21:41, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped 23:15, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time still seeing the mouth lines under your shading. Could you possibly lighten that there or erase some of it? Storm &#9835;  19:20, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Yep. Shifted the shading downwards. 20:31, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest Blanks - For Approval
I'm not sure but, could you make the neck/head slightly longer (possibly make the ears wider) and the back less tall? (Tweak it to your liking) Like this: http://i62.tinypic.com/2467zhv.png. — ☆ ＦＩＲＲＥＬ  ★    ❝ ❤ ❞  15:47, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe if you can make the long-haired less fluffy and make it more messy and scary it makes it more sense. Not gonna be rude, but can you add red eyes for all Dark Forest cats? (ShellaxySpaniel (talk) 23:24, June 5, 2015 (UTC))

We've already established that the blanks are at an acceptable fluff, sorry. Also, why would we add red eyes? That's not something we have cites for, so I don't think we can do that...

Is just a suggestion. (ShellaxySpaniel (talk) 00:01, June 6, 2015 (UTC))

Red eyes for evil cats is kind of really cliche, and this is supposed to be a realistic series. Cats cannot have red eyes anyway unless they are albino. Storm &#9835;  00:05, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

This series is unrealistic as all get-out, what are you talking about? Anyways, unless there's a cite for the red eyes (which would be neat, considering they are pretty much evil cats), we can't add it- it is a nice suggestion though. Cliche, perhaps, but all suggestions are valid here. Also, I believe the term is 'albinistic', not 'albino', when you say it like that. But anyways, that has nothing to do with these blanks, so please refrain from continuing that discussion here.

Reuploaded. I made the back a bit smoother, the arch was a little lower down than it probably should have been on the back anyway. :P But I've already lengthened the neck two times, and I think it's alright. As for the ears, they're pinned back against the head, that's why they're thin, they're folded down. Also, why would a cat who was fluffy in another blank be less fluffy and more scruffy when they die? And yeah, I think we threw realism out of the window a long time ago. XD Jayie  Unwritten words~ 02:15, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Slightfoot (W) ~ For Approval
All color-picked from the apprentice 07:46, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Smoothen out the texture more and widen the white chest. 14:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

i would recommend very dull highlights since i used those for the apprentice, and the texture needs to be smudged a lot. 16:16, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Remove the waste around the tail, it looks like there was a longhaired blank that wasn't completely erased. 18:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups - not sure if I got the waste, I couldn't see any waste on my computer >   ><    <  23:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

You did ^.^ Blur the shading a little bit, I'm not sure if it's the texture affecting it on my screen, but it looks a bit hard edged 21:46, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups 07:11, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Lizardtail (W) ~ CBA
lizardsquad.png 16:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and feet farthest from us 16:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * define the neck shading aswell plez 19:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

The light is coming from the front, therefore the front legs do not need shading. And the neck is fine as well. wtf david you're too good at this 04:02 Sun May 31

re-uploaded there isnt any neck shading to define lmfao 19:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth the shading? 21:49, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the head, if there is any. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

re-uploaded 08:40, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading more Storm  &#9835;  15:54, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

i dont blur my shading, ive said this multiple times. and frankly its not going to get anymore smudged, otherwise you wont even be able to see it anymore. 15:58, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

CBA?

Sharpclaw (SC) (Alt. Rogue) ~ Declined
Right Alt? ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  19:49, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I would suggest darkening or defining the shading more and define the light on the legs aswell. I would also smudge the stripes up and down instead of leaf and right. 19:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back legs. 22:06, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Real sorry about that, I didn't see Bramble's comment. I'm so dumb 22:08, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

This is a great way to smudge the stripes, I don't think you need to change it. Maybe smooth out the shading overall, nicely done Sun! :) 15:36, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re~Upped Thank you Silver. :)  ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  16:17, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back leg farthest from us Storm  &#9835;  18:31, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and face. Looks good ^.^ 21:53, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light in the forepaw furthest from us. And I believe this should be named File:Sharpclaw_(SC).rogue.alt instead of File:Sharpclaw.rogue.alt? Just unsure 07:57, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as nice as this image is, it's extremely unwarranted. He doesn't look brown-and-white in his CotC picture. He looks like a slightly darker ginger-colored cat. Ginger isn't always reddish- it's orange too.

Silverstream (Alt Q) ~ declined
omfg redone queen 05:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Omfg how gorgeous can this get!!! Smooth out tail shading, define shading on /our/ right front leg and left back leg. Oh right, with this source, should her shoulder shading be on the left too? Such a beauty!!!!!! 15:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded The shoulder is fine, I used the same source on Lilyheart and no one had a problem with it. 08:05, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not all shading places work on all colours the same way, even if they do have the same light source; don't just say 'fine' and be done with it. It looks lazy. Anyway! Smooth out the shading on everywhere besides the tail. Smudge it a little or something. This is looking gorgeous though. Very nice job o: 13:17 Mon Jun 1

She gave a reason so I don't see it lazy :P The shading looks smooth enough to me (and I love the fricken style Foxy uses on her shadings) but I think it should be extended a bit^^ OMG I totally getting charmed by this I can't stop staring at it! :o 13:23, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Berry, the lightsource doesn't get affected by the color and it depends on its position. The color of the shading could be altered, but the lightsource itself doesn't. I added a bit of shading there, smoothed it out and expanded it everywhere except for the tail. And thanks a ton ^^ 13:27, June 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know the source doesn't get affected by the colour. All I was saying is that "it worked fine on another image so it's okay" feels lazy to me. Shading can be affected by colour and pattern, no matter the source. ( oh boy i hope im allowed to comment with just this it's been like a year ) 13:34 Mon Jun 1

Sorry for being vague about that. And ok 13:38, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 11:45, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? Wonderful job. 19:06, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

i hate to be the bearer of bad news but i dont think this image is valid. while shes definitely blueish in the image, we still dont know what rank shes presented as. 16:56, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

She's mentioned as a queen, and besides, she looks a bit plump in that image. I'm not assuming, I'm just mentioning, of all ranks, the queen is likely. I think it's valid. 17:01, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

just because her being a queen is mentioned, doesnt mean thats the rank shes shown as. its a complete assumption to assume shes a queen, or any other rank. she could be in starclan or a warrior or anything, and as a riverclan cat, itd be more unusual for her to not be plump. 17:05, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I kind of agree with Trolly here Storm  &#9835;  17:07, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

David is correct. We don't know what rank she was- mentioned isn't the same thing. The art could even be her as a warrior. We just don't know.

Just asking, but looking back at Bluestar's blue alts, it seems she got them for her blue appearance in cats of the clans art because she was mentioned in all her different ranks. Why did she get them and Silverstream doesn't - we don't know what rank she's in either. Sorry if I'm missing something 20:02, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

they were already removed a couple nights ago. 20:13, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

All right, well then does Onestar need his alts either? We don't know what rank he's in either. 20:17, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ok then. 02:45, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Russetfur (Lo. Alt) - For Approval
I know not how to Charart. (Jayie how do you export this as a png in an iPad?) 02:27, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

This is beautiful! Can you blur the shading more? I won't bug you about the white box. (Box=trying to export on iPad I suppose.)   ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  03:09, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Got rid of the white background, blurred the shading a little. 08:09, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, this looks amazing. :D And it depends on what program you're using. If you're using ArtStudio, there should be an option to either email it as a PSD, or a PNG. Also, define the shading on the cheek. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:44, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Thank you! I used Art Studio for this image. It worked. I'm not sure why the ipad converts everything into a JPG but eh. 07:49, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Oh my, this is gorgeous, Burnt! Define the shading on the legs? 11:44, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Thank you! 13:12, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

Onestar (alt. D) ~ Declined
Can I?  omg this is the clumsiest tabby I've ever seen  Let's hope this is the right alt 13:33, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Littlecloud isn't archived. Please make sure te declined section is archived before you post. I will archive it this time, but next time this will get declined. 13:46, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading/light on the legs and the shading on the tail Storm  &#9835;  19:22, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Also the white stripe/patches need to be blurred a bit more, and you need a white tail-tip. I think the eyes need to amber to match the Also the white on the paws needs to be moved up a bit on the leg. Storm &#9835;  16:34, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define the light on the tail tip please? I think that may be why it looks so gray. 20:14, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Declining due to assumptions- we do not know Onestar's rank in those images in CotC and TUG.

Onestar (Alt. W) ~ Declined
special thanks to david for uploading this for me bc im stuck with my ipad;;; 11:07 Fri Jun 5

Don't the alt warrior and deputy have to match? If that's the case, then since the warrior was posted first, shouldn't this match that one? Just curious Storm  &#9835;  15:46, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

They're supposed to match the alt leader, which I, and the above artist, tried to do. If it's not matching for you let me know. I did my best and that pattern is an ass but I suppose I can try to do better. 16:26 Fri Jun 5

Yours actually does match the leader, so I'll tell the above artist. But the above artist does have the color correct I believe. For the image, could you add a small amount of shading to the base of the tail by the hindquarters? And make the color a bit more orange-ish (idk what word im looking for) Also the alt leader's eyes are amber, so idk if that has to match? Looking good Berry! Storm &#9835;  16:31, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

he isnt that orange in his leader image, so why does this need to be more orange?? and the eyes were colourpicked, so what does changing them accomplish either 09:46, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Um, these alts shouldn't be warranted either, shouldn't they? 12:16, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

As per the other images- we don't known the ranks- sorry, dear.

Larchkit (MV) (Alt Ki) ~ For Approval
That is a new smudged shading, not a texture; similar to Hootwhisker's apprentice. He was said to be the 'same shade of brown as Appledusk'. 18:02, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

He's so cute! Define the shading just bit on the front legs. 20:11, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Reups also tinkered with the shading a bit; seemed a bit blotchy-looking. Thanks! 10:37, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Larksong (Q) ~ For Approval
My first tortie! Yay!~ She's so pretty! Storm &#9835;  20:07, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a bit. I like her! 20:30, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! Reups Storm  &#9835;  21:27, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Also I wasn't sure if I should have added the ragged fur or not... If someone could tell me? Storm &#9835;  22:01, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

The ragged fur cite is when she was an elder, so none of the other images get it besides that one and the StarClan one.

Define the shading on the main body. 02:59, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

I can't really define the shading on the main body as it's all over the black parts. If I put any more shading anywhere else on the main body, it will contradict my light source, as the light is shining at her ==> that way. If she wasn't a tort, then maybe you'd see it Storm  &#9835;  13:13, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm unable to see any shading on the face- can you define that?

Storm, I'm pretty sure you can add some shading onto the shoulder because I can't see any there. And I'm also pretty sure you can expand the shading on the main body just a bit. Otherwise you can tint it to make it look bluer. I cannot see anything. 13:20, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Reups It is tinted a dark blue, so I can't. I tried spreading the shading out a bit, and defined the facial shading. The shading is mostly on ==> this side of the face because of the light source. And there wouldn't have been shoulder shading, but ok whatever Storm  &#9835;  13:29, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Just as a head's up, the StarClan and elder images are not tinted. I shaded with black and both of those images and will also do so with the warrior. ^^ Also, define the light on --> front leg and the backmost leg that we can only see that small part of.

Reups I don't have to tint it black do I? I'm not really a fan of black shading... Storm &#9835;  13:39, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

If the color doesn't match, then probably, yes. Shading tint isn't required to match, but the coloring is. I prefer using black shading on my images, regardless of how "bad" people think it might look- it's my image, my shading. Using black does not "sap the color out of an image", nor is it unprofessional.

Larksong (W) - For Approval
I love having creative freedom. I shaded with black, and all colors are from the StarClan image, as I think I've misplaced the elder one....it's somewhere on my harddrive.

There seems to be a black stripe on her ear farthest from us. Her right paw need to be completely white and her underbelly needs to be black, as seen on her elder image. Storm &#9835;  00:06, June 7, 2015 (UTC)