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Queen Blanks ~ For Approval
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

The lineart looks choppy in places, could you smoothen it out a bit? One way to do this is add a few pixils to the edges where it curves and it gives the illusion of smoothness  21:08, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also, now that I have a bit more time to comment, the shoulder of the paw on the ground is much too defined and large right now, and the place where it connects to the head is lined up in a way that it doesn't look connected to the actual leg. Try and follow the curve of where the lines would be if they were visible. The front paw that's on the ground also looks a bit twisted with that extra line on our left side. I'm not sure if that's the dew claw or a line to try and define the paw some more. If it's the dew claw, make it stick out a bit from the leg, so it appears more like an actual toe that has mass to it. The chest needs to follow the curve of the belly more, and as I said before, the chest would be in front of our right front leg at this angle. The place the elbow connects to the body shouldn't be visible. Try and thin out the haunch a bit, as she's starting to look a bit just overall chubby rather than pregnant. Our right back leg seems to both be oddly positioned (too high and too far to our left) and doesn't quite look clearly like a paw. It looks more like the bend in the leg right now, but nothing goes past the bent front foot that would show. Try and make the tail a bit more of a consistent thickness, only getting slightly thinner at the tip, and overall just slim it down a bit. Also, the eyes look a bit odd right now, like they don't quite match the way the other was drawn (trust me, I know what a pain they can be x.x), try and pick either one of them and make the other eye match a bit better. I do believe with cats, the back leg doesn't have a dew claw, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, please remove that. And try and make the shape of the back paw curve with where the toes would be, rather than just a random kind of "guessed" curve with toes added in. That's a bit hard for me to explain, and if it doesn't make sense I can redline that part. And finally, the whiskers still look kind of choppy and just not very smooth at all, try and smooth them out.

The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and straight and is throwing off the nose. The nose doesn't really look like a cat's nose, it looks more like a triangle. The muzzle needs to be smoothed out more, and the eyes' lineart seems to be choppy in places. Also, the front left (our right) leg looks like it bending in a bunch of directions and the lineart is choppy. The face sort of reminds me of one of my grade-school bus-drivers. *shudders*  21:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah gonna be away til Thursday so I'll upload then. <span style="">22:35 Mon Jul 15

I'm not trying to sound mean or anything but it has been 19 days since you reuploaded and 14 days since you said that you would update this, so I have to inquire if you're still working on this? 16:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I am, but I'm having a lot of trouble with them. I don't know if anyone would perhaps be able to offer up a redline, because I'm seriously lost. <span style="">12:00 Wed Jul 31

Redlinin' it up~ Hope this helps <span style="">00:43, 08/1/2013


 * Yeah, don't use ^^that one, I forgot stuff. Use this one. I seriously hope this helps, but since I know almost nothing of the anatomy of a cat, this is the best I could do to help c: <span style="">19:19, 08/1/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">06:05 Sat Aug 3

Where did her eye pupils go? 10:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the thigh less flat. Also, >>>this front leg seems to be very thick, also can you curve it more? The tail seems a bit...lumpy. 13:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

The lifted forepaw looks a bit small compared to the body and define the toes on it 01:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really like the way how sharply < this back leg curves. Perhaps lighten the curve? And also, the tail look a little thick for a short-haired queen, so if you could thin that a little, that'd be great. 12:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the lineart looks rather thick in places. 17:33, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The face looks lumpy. Make the thigh rounder. 01:10, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Front --> leg is a little thick and straight. And as for the thickness, a lineart width of 2 pixels would look best. Wow, good job! <span style="">08:19 Sat Aug 10

Oh yeah, and shorthair tails don't taper or grow thicker. They sort of stay the same from base to tip, except the tip is normally like, rounded at the tip. <span style="">17:24 Sat Aug 10

Yes, still working, but I've not had much of a chance to use a computer the past few days. I'll upload about Monday (for me, about Sunday-ish for you guys.) <span style="">08:34 Sat Aug 10

I suggest curving the tail a bit more at the top, and readjusting the tail lineart to go along side with it, so that it's easier to deal with. Just a suggestion, though. 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Doespring (Ki) ~ For Approval
I think she looks O.K xD But eh I'm not sure. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 00:18, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define her shading? She looks a bit flat. 03:00, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

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Perhaps sharpen it just a little more? 03:46, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

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Liittle more, still looks overblurred and a bit flat as a result.

Re-ups. GIMPs being a pain. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;"> 14:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thin out the shading; I can hardly see that she's pale brown... 15:52, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

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This needs to be a .png file, not a .jpg. Please fix that.

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Could you lighten up her a little bit more, and then add/define "highlights" (not necessarily a new layer, just places where there is no shading) to the paws, legs, face, and maybe a little on the tail there. Nice job~ <span style="">18:28 Wed Jul 10

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This should be named File:Doespring.kit.png <span style="">22:52 Wed Jul 10

^ Bloo is right. What you need to do, is you need to "Export" the file from GIMP[if that's what you use], save it again, check all the boxes except the very top one, then it becomes a png file. 13:46, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups 05:28, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. 17:45, July 12, 2013 (UTC) 16:06, July 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the face. It's also suggest you look at the Signature Policy and try to make your signature a template so that it doesn't create a wall of coding. <span style="">4:59 Sat Jul 13 2013

Okie. And I did. 05:28, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups, I can change it if its still too dark. <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 20:12, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the face more. <span style="">19:30, 07/18/2013

Define the tail shading a bit. 03:36, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Still working on this? 05:53, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups. It looked weird when I uploaded it... <font color="#90D547" face="Mistral" size="3" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">R <font color="#BBD547" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">u <font color="#D5CB47" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="#E59B3B" face="Mistral" size="3"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">y <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">Patchey <font color="lightgreen" face="comic stans ms" style="background:transparent;">undefined 17:43, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Just smudge the pelt into her earpink a lil bit. 02:51, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink lots as it's looking rather solid. Thistleflight (talk) 16:24, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. 21:16, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups ~ User:Takeachance32

Define the shading on the tail and chest some, and define the light source on the tail as well. 01:07, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

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The shading is looking a bit flat; could you sharpen up the shading, along with expanding the "highlight" on the a face and defining the "highlight" on her left front leg? 17:05, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

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Define the shading on the <<< foot. 02:39, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 17:23, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Stretch the chest highlight down the legs a bit to make the shading less flat <span style="">03:58 Thu Aug 1

I'm going to withdraw her, if thats ok with ya'll. I'm not very good at textured cats and I think I'll work on something less complicated. <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 23:30, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 23:33, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- I tried...to match it best I could, probably going to redo the shading. 15:45, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Her head looks a little darker than her body. Maybe fix that (if needed) <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

That's the shading. All the colors are from the apprentice image. 20:22, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the shading on the legs and tail a bit? He looks cool! 19:36, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having some trouble seeing the texture, define it a bit? 02:16, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth a bit, maybe? ouo 03:46, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

There is shading missing along the lineart on the right side. Fix please. 12:38, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

? The right side looks fine, just define the shading all together ^^  22:00, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- Okay, I had to redo the entire image, since I lost the file. I defined the texture and the shading. And Beebs, the eye color is exactly from the apprentice, so I'd rather not change it. 20:15, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Bristlekit (Ki) ~ For Approval
Bristlekit is back up! Forgot to put in the table last time. I also fixed the shading and the mottled-look. Comment away! ^_^  8:44, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't find one. Also, blur the shading a lot once you have one. <span style="">01:08, 07/15/2013

Didn't notice this at first, but remove the background. <span style="">01:12, 07/15/2013

There is no background.. :/ But I'll do the shading..and if I have time I'll find a tool that /removes/ backgrounds..possibly the eraser. 08:30, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I fixed the shading, adding a light source. If you know how to get rid of the background when it's on gimp, please tell me so I can forward it to Darkfrost as well. o.o 08:52, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I changed the shading, using a darker color and having a lighter source. Changed the eyes, since I thought these looked cool for a WC cat. And I got rid of the background. 16:00, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Base pelt needs to be less gray and more black, and shading needs to be blurred, defined and thinned out. 16:01, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

It is black..you may be talking about the gray shading. Or you didn't see the changes. But I'll thin out the shading and blur it. 16:06, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorrel's correct. This appears to be a bit light for a black cat.

Re-uploaded. Sorry Sorrel and Cloudy, I realized you guys were right. I made him darker. 16:23, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Ear pink's rather too neon. And that gray bit/highlight in the middle either needs to be made darker and blurred. 16:34, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Is the grey chest the base pelt or the shading? If it's the shading; perhaps change it to another color? So it's not confusing. <span style="">22:11 Mon Jul 15

The patch of bright highlight in the center of its chest isn't enough to really tell us where the light source is. Add some highlights to the face and legs, and make it darker and less sharp. If you need any help, feel free to leeve a message on my talk and I'll help :3 <span style="">22:49 Mon Jul 15

Re-uploaded. I narrowed the shading in the middle down, making it the light source. And I made the ear pink more pink. And thanks Kelpsey, I will:)  23:36, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the highlight on the chest, and define the shading. Also, expand the earpink to the whole ear. ^^  01:32, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Expanded the ear pink, defined the shading, and blurred the highlight. 01:56, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Remove the random gray dot in the middle of the chest. This has improved quite a lot since you first put him up x3 15:06, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. And thank you, Sorrel. xD 20:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Not rushing, but it's been about a full day since someone commented on this. So, I'm kind of waiting for someone to say "CBA" or something..is it and will it? 19:23, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? Also, define the shading, and then blur it. The earpink is also looking a bit purplish and too florescent. 19:40, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

I was told to remove the light source. Defined the shading already. And blurred it. I matched everyone else's shading skills that got CBA'd. And if you lean in, you can see my shading better. But I'll make the ear pink more pinker. 19:52, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

No, you were told to remove the random gray dot in the middle of the chest. Either way, here's a guide to shading placement. And it doesn't matter if you already defined and blurred the shading, I'm asking you to do it again because there really shouldn't be an excessive need for me to lean in to try and make out the shading. Also, if you want to talk about matching shading skills, take your image, set the base pelt to something like a florescent pink, and then ask for another user's image with layers (.xcf, .psd, etc.) set the base pelt to the same color as you set yours, and then compare the two. I'm not saying to post them but just look and compare the two. 19:58, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Don't be angry...I'm new to this. I'm not sure how to do some of that. I'll try again. What should a light source look like? 20:03, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The light source is basically the light and what direction it's coming from. You have to think about where the light would hit and where it wouldn't. If you look at the shading guide Teldy linked and shade where it says to you should be fine. If you need help with some things feel free to leave a message on my talkpage or pop into chat for a bit and I'll try to help out some. ouo <span style="">20:22, 07/17/2013

Thank you, Shimmer. I'll have it re-uploaded tomorrow morning. 23:05, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added shading with a positive light source from the left side. I also made the ear pink more pink, destroying the neon. Anything else? 12:11, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Make the shading less blotchy, and make the ear pink a little more on the gray-ish level. This appears too purple-ish pink to really fit well with the pelt color you've picked.

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading and ear pink. Anything else? 20:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Shading looks rather blotchy. 21:32, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It looks as though you're working over the lineart, also the earpink is looking a tad to neon. Black cats generally have a pale skin color. <span style="">23:36 Sat Jul 20

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading and the ear pink>thanks for the info, Bloo. I needed it;) 11:24, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Been no comments for almost a full day.. 23:27, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Shading still doesn't appear to have a light source?

I see the light source from the top left. Maybe a lighter shading would help define it? 03:42, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Eh, I still don't think so. It seems like it's just really thrown onto the image, instead of actually done like a vast majority of the other images on this wiki. A lighter shading would actually make it /harder/ to see, btw.

Re-uploaded. And Minty was saying that I needed a lighter color, btw. So I fixed the shading, making the light source coming from the right this time. Since the head didn't satisfy. And may I ask that you guys be more specific when asking what me to do? It's my first charart, so I'm not as experienced with knowing what you guys are looking for. So when you say "define shading" for example, please tell me what you mean: Like if you want it to be brighter, lighter, darker, etc. Thank you! 01:35, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Cloudy did mention the lighter color. Defining shading means to make the shading stand out more, such as darkening it or sharpening it. <Here is a guide as to where your shading and highlights should go. Also on that page are tutorials on how to /do/ improve your shading. The highlight on the side lightens the color quite a bit; I would suggest using black as your shading instead of a lighter color to "push back" shallower areas of the charart. The shading on this image also needs to be on the legs, tail, and face as well as the side, and the shading needs to be blurred. 04:05, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Still working?

Re-uploaded. And yes, Cloudy, I am. Sorry! I've been busy with sports awards and stuff like that, and I've been trying to squeeze in working on my charart. I have a lot more time now, so don't worry. How is this? I had the shading get darker as it went across the body, since I imagined it hitting the back right of the image. I have also been "observing" how shading works in real life, and am putting that into practice. xD 11:15, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the highlight to make them blend more with the pelt, and could you perhaps lighten the shading, too? I can't really see the lineart. 15:16, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Not to deny your request, but if I lighten it again, someone will tell me to darken it again. And I made sure the lineart was still visible. But I'll blur the shading. 00:38, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 00:45, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Misty's right, lighten the shading a bit, please.

Re-uploaded. Lightened it. Blurred it. I tried to get rid of all the waste, but if there still is some, please point out where o3o It's hard to see the waste with a dark image. 13:08, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had seen some waste after I posted. 13:25, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail some. This is cute! 02:40, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Beebs! 03:48, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

have the nose color the same color as you currently have the earpink and I think it should be ready to CBA. lookin' goooood 8D <span style="">23:23 Tue Jul 30 23:23, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, he needs a black nose, not a pink one.

Re-uploaded. How's that? Black. And thank you, Kelpsey! So excited to have my first image CBAed! 8D 00:42, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, it needs to be black, not pink-black.

Define the eye depth a bit, and maybe define the shading, too o3o 01:03, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

It is black. ._. And the eyes are fine..I've checked them each time I fixed the image, yet I'll check 'em again. And I'll define the shading, Beebs. 01:13, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

No, it's a pinkish-black. You even said so yourself. If you used black, then you wouldn't be able to see the lineart around the nose, which I still can.

Re-uploaded. Sorry Cloudy. I didn't know what to do: make it pink or make it black. So I did a mix. It's all black now. I defined the shading more, Beebs, and defined the eye depth too. Am I ready now to have my first image CBAed? 8D 01:22, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur the area where the shading meets the light area and I think you're good to go. c: 01:24, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Could you maybe lighten up the base pelt a little bit? I understand that it is a black cat, but it's a bit hard for me to see the shading. I think Bbun mentioned it, but there is a lighter streak on his side that throws off the color a bit on this >>> side. If you mean to keep it, perhaps add those to the face, legs, and tail where there isn't shading as well? He is looking very good! 02:07, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred it Beebs, so excited! c: And Knight, the reason there isn't the same lighter streak on the parts you mentioned, is because I imagined the light source coming from the back right, causing it to get darker as it goes across the body. That's the shading, and I don't really want to change it unless someone else agrees with you. And thank you, its taken awhile for him to look this good, but I think I finally understand how this stuff works! Beebs says I'm good to go, but I respect your comment all the way. :D 02:23, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think the darkness is okay, but the shading, and that lighter "stripe" of sorts is what throws it off. There also appears to be a lighter spot on the tail, but that could be my eyes. Also, yes, there has been improvement, but that doesn't mean just because one user says that it's "good to go" does not mean that you should disregard comments that are given afterwards.

Re-uploaded. Yes, understood. But I explained why I wouldn't do something. It wasn't like I was completely ignoring Knight, or as you say, "disregarding."[Not trying to sound mean] Anyway, had the shading fade more across the body, smoothing out that "stripe." Also took care of that bright spot on the tail. 05:16, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Did you draw over the lineart? It seems to be missing from inbetween the legs. And blur the shading a bit more. <span style="">13:13 Thu Aug 1 2013

Re-uploaded. Fixed the lineart inbetween the legs. Also blurred the shading. 20:11, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I understand that the light source comes from the upper right, but could you expand the light on his face and chest a bit more, and also on << this leg? They should have more light on them, as they are prominent features on the cat. It may also be me, but the shading also looks a little blotchy, if you could clear that up a bit. 23:53, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Spread the shading over his body, and blurred it and spread it so it was no longer blotchy. 01:02, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I see some waste on his head, and define the shading on the tail. Also, although you don't have do, maybe darken the base coat a bit, as it seems a tad light for a black cat. 02:15, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

This is over 50% done, so I'll change the title and move you to an apprentice. Could you darken the area between his two front legs? That area is shadowed over by the legs, so it wouldn't have any light hitting it. 05:55, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Oh my gosh, thank you so much, Knight! 8D And I got rid of the waste on the head, and defined the tail shading. And the reason I won't darken it a bit more, Beebs, is because you won't be able to see the lineart anymore. So yeah. :/ I also darkened the area between the legs. 12:03, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had seen some waste and I removed it. 12:34, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Saw some more waste..xD You guys are probably so happy that I'm spotting and fixing these problems all on my own. Also, not to rush, but I have to get this approved soon, because I'll be too busy to come on in a few days. So please comment;) 03:34, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Been a day...please comment or CBA~Not rushing, but I will be busy in a few days. 00:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Considering your light source, I don't think there'd be any highlight on the tail. 01:58, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 02:05, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Its been a day..I need comments or CBA, guys.. 11:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The tail shading is a little flat. Also, it's only been a day, please don't badger for comments...the leads and other members do have lives. ._.

Also it seems like you're painting over the lineart. As seen here.

Re-uploaded. Fixed the lineart. And there is supposed to be no shading on the tail due to the light source. Anything else? 02:07, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

There needs to be shading on the tail, though. Perhaps no highlights, but not adding highlights doesn't mean not adding shading. o.O

Re-uploaded. Added tail shading. And I kind of disagree. Have you ever walked into a dark room and the door is opened just a crack, and the one small strip of light is going on your left side? That's Bristlekit's light source. I'm pretty sure there would be no shading, and it would be completely dark, since Bristlekit's tail would be behind his body, since the light source would be coming from directly his left side. But hey, it's whatever. 13:15, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? c: 03:43, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry to interrupt, but could you define the tail shading just a little bit more? I have to squint to see it. 03:45, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

The tail also looks like it's missing lineart. When I zoom in, I get this, which also shows some missing lineart from other parts of the image too.

Oh yeah, and the tail highlight is on the wrong side of the tail, and just paste this on your image and you will be good to go c; <span style="">20:33 Sun Aug 11

Re-uploaded. Thanks to Kelpsey c: I fixed the lineart. Switched the tail shading to the other side, and made it more visible. 12:02, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Cute! However, I think that you should lighten the image just a tad, as I honestly can't see the lineart well.

I think it's fine. We've done it before.

Thanks Cloudy c: 02:55, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Meadowslip (W) ~ For Approval
Meadowslip is back, and I made sure I was in the table this time! -Fixed the shading majorly- Comments? 9:43, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't see that a consistent one has been kept throughout the shading. Make the earpink more of a pink color, it's tending towards purple now. Also, blur the shading a lot, it's looking blotchy as of now. <span style="">01:00, 07/16/2013

Oh, also, remove the background. <span style="">01:11, 07/16/2013

Also, add more shading, and some on the head, and make it darker. <span style="">02:33 Mon Jul 16

Define the light on her front legs. 16:42, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur shading a ton, add light to front legs, expand earpink, and make the earpink less neon and more pink/paleish grayish. I feel like the color description I just gave you is extremely vague, so around this hex code=>8A7266 nice job so far. :] <span style="">22:58 Mon Jul 16

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Kelpsey. And, sorry this took awhile. I'm not sure if this is what you guys were looking for, but while I was working on it, I did a darker shading and a lighter ear pink. If you guys hate the shading texture, I'll change it. 01:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still no light source. You need to find where the light is coming from (ie; top right) and then figure out where the shaded areas would be based on that. There's a shading chart here on the tutorials that you can look at if you need to. And define the earpink and make it a bit more grayish? It can barely be seen and still looks a bit neon-ish, imho. Try around #be9b9b? <span style="">02:16, 07/16/2013

Shimmer is right on the shading..but I think the ear pink is fine[sorry!] 09:50, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shimmer, I respect your opinion greatly on the ear pink, but if I go any grayer, it will be transparent. So I'd prefer to keep it the way it is. And it doesn't look neon, it looks pink. Also, I will redo the shading according to your wish. I was just imagining Meadowslip in the long grass, stalking a mouse when I did her shading. I'll upload around 9-10am my time. 09:53, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Shimmer on the earpink. It does still look a bit neon, and it needs to be defined, and made more gray-ish. 11:18, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading[I think it looks amazing now]. I added a light source to the shading as well. I made the pink more gray and less neon. Any more problems? 13:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs to be blurred and defined a lot.And I don't think the light source makes sense. Take a look at the warrior's shading placement here for a little guide. 14:57, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading to match with the exmp..since that's what it seemed you guys were looking for..anything else? 21:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart on the head, and the ear pink still looks too neon.

Define the shading quite a bit. 23:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Although it may be just me, she looks a bit too pale, sorta nearing gray...maybe darken the base color a bit? Only if you want, though o3o 01:50, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, this wasn't declined before because you weren't on the table, it was declined because Icy had it reserved long before you. And she still does. Declining yet again. Please check the archives when you have an image declined to see the reasoning before posting.

Oh goodness, it's been much too long. I'm sorry, I confused the one week limit on original image reservations with the two week limit on tweak calling. So Icy's reservation expired before you reserved, I'm sorry. I'll undecline this. However it is going as Under Evaluation, as you're a kit.

I think the lineart's a bit blurred in places. 13:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is not blurred, that is a darker shading. Trust me, I double checked. And, I'm not sure what "Under Evaluation" is supposed to mean. And, if Icy still wants to do Meadowslip, I can let her have it. I'm just a mild beginner at this, and I'm not that good at lighter cats as you can tell. :/ I'll practice lighter cats, though. But if Icy wants it, she can do it and I'll do a darker cat. :) I don't mind at all. ;) 19:18, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme upload again and see if you guys like it.. 19:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Under evaluation is explained in the guidelines and Icy's reservation is invalid also explained in the guidelines. The lineart should look exactly the same as it does without a base pelt, shading, earpink, and the works with the exception of maybe the eye when concerning this particular cat. The shading needs to be emphasized and blurred as well, and their ought to be some shading on the tail. 19:44, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is blurred and needs to be fixed. Also, define and blure the shading, it looks really flat. The earpink needs to be defined, I sort of have to squint to see it. Are you using layers? And what program do you use? 20:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you're working over the lineart. o.O Try working under it, as that's what's making it look off.

Could you make the gray a bit darker? Right now, it's a bit more like pale grey. 23:04, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Well, after a quick review of Meadowslip's profile, I noticed it only said gray. Not pale gray. So oh yeah, I made her gray. Fixed the line art. The line art on the head looks weird to me, but I didn't know if that's how it's supposed to be. I also fixed the shading, making sure there is a light source. Anything more? 12:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

We're not out of the woods yet. Blur the shading. 14:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried out a new tool for the shading, and it worked wonders... I think it's almost perfect now. And I fixed the line art on the head because it was driving me nuts. Are we almost out of that woods now, Sorrel? xD 17:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. Try Gaussian blurring the shading layer. Gaussian blurring will make the shading look more like shading. Right now the shading looks rather like a blurred paintbrush size 9, and nothing else. 18:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart on the head looks odd. I would like you to fix that. Also, you can raise the opacity and rate of your blur tool to make it blur much more than that. And the ear pink is a little neon, and you can see here to grab a color that would suit gray more. Blur the ear pink some more. Also, the shading looks very flat, and define the highlight on the back paws if you'd like. The lineart is blurred in some places. Do you use layers, by any chance? 20:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes I use layers. And I use GIMP, Hawky. Also, blurred the ear pink more. Put some highlight on the back paws. Increased my blur rate[didn't know you could do that xD]. And I have it set as a much darker gray...I don't know why the wikia isn't uploading it right. :/ 20:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart still looks odd... it's like it was "painted over"... and the shading needs to be darkened, blurred, and spread out a little more (last part is imho and totally optional).

Re-uploaded. Spread it a little and blurred it, but I didn't do it too much because I feared it would look pixelated. I also fixed the lineart, sorry that I painted over it a little..anything else? 21:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It still needs expanding and defining. Use the shading placement link I gave you, and did you try using Gaussian blur? 21:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart and the earpink looks a bit neon. 19:12, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading. Fixed the lineart. Fixed the earpink.

It still appears as if the lineart is either blurred or 'painted over'. The shading needs to be darkened some, expanded, and probably blurred a bit. <span style="">12:10, 07/22/2013

Define the earpink/make it more pinker ^^  23:14, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

The lineart is still messed up. If you're using layers, the lineart should be the top layer, or second to top, depending on how you make your eyes and ear pink. o3o

Re-uploaded. There had been darker shading around the lineart, causing it to look painted over. I fixed all of it.

Ehhh, lineart still looks choppy in some places.

As for the lineart, may I suggest to go get another lineart image, open it on a layer above the image, selecting and then ctrl+x away the white, and then making your old lineart layer invisible? It'll fix any lineart issues, if you want to do so. Also, can you please add some more shading to the back of the cat (use a black airbrush airbrush at about 20), and the back of the legs, and darken it. Then blur it some more. This image is making great progress, keep up the good work! 16:22, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Smear the pelt into the earpink. 00:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define (or rather, darken) the shading by the chest area. Want2know (talk) 15:26, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I would actually suggest to get rid of the shading on the chest, as it doesn't match the light source on the paws. Are you still working on this? 17:16, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

._. Someone earlier told me to put shading there, though. And yeah I'm still working, been busy though. My image will be up later on today, as I am redoing the whole thing because I couldn't take the line art thing anymore. Which I don't mind doing it, since I wanted to try out some shading Rave recommended to me. 11:31, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

You need to upload today, or else this image will be declined, Darkfrost. You have one week from the last upload to upload again, or else it's considered lack of work.

Re-uploaded. Got a darker gray to work. And, it looks so unfinished because it is. Due to Cloudy's threat, I had to upload it when it wasn't done. So I will accept your comments. I need them greatly. ._. 12:54, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and where's the earpink? 12:59, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. And like I had said before, Sorrel. It wasn't finished due to Cloudy. And I also blurred the shading for you. 13:32, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Please stop saying it's Skye's fault you didn't get your image finished. .-. It's not her fault. The earpink is still too neon, try the colour hex code #d7aeae. <span style="">13:41 Mon Jul 29

Re-uploaded. How's that? And sorry for slamming Cloudy.. 14:23, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur your shading a bit. 16:43, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, one week without uploads is standard procedure for PCA. .-. If I see one more negative comment towards myself or any user, I'll decline your image. we've done that before for users who decide to blame others and be rude, and I won't hesitate to do it again if you're being rude. I didn't threaten you, as it's part of the guidelines. That being said, thicken your shading too.

Now senior warriors could also be a bit less rude in when we're saying images are going to be declined in the first place, now can't we? Either way, move that highlight on the head up to the top of the face, if that makes sense, and add some shading to the back of the shoulder. <span style="">18:30 Mon Jul 29 2013

Re-uploaded. How's that, Raelic? 00:40, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. ^Changed my shading light source because I didn't like the one I had before. 00:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Add some shading to the ear furthest from us, and blur the shading a bit. 02:41, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 03:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and where's the ear pink? It appears to have vanished or blurred away. I can't see it at all.

Re-uploaded. Blurred the shading a lot. And I put more ear pink in there. 00:55, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred. I'd suggest maybe going to your shading layer, and using Filters>Blur>Gaussian blur, and using it at a rate between 13-23? Also, the shading covers up the forehead of the cat, where it wouldn't be due to the light source, maybe thin/erase that a bit? And last, the cat appears to be more brown instead of grey right now, if you could fix that real quick. Looking good~ 02:16, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Is this what you were looking for? -I'll change name back if it is- I'll also fix the head shading if it is. But first, I need to know if it looks right to you on the blurring. 02:38, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart's all blurred now. Also, you need to upload over the old file. Not make a new one. And am I missing something...? Why's she brown? Her description is gray.

Paleh, I swear it is your computer, because it reveals dark gray to everyone else. And to me, personally. So sadly, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, the file will be uploaded over the old one. I was testing the gaussian blur, which there has been a reason I have not used it before. Knight, it is not brown either. It is not. So, yeah. I'll put up the real image and you guys can start commenting on it again. 11:12, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Used a lighter shading. How's that? 11:44, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can we not get snippy, please? Each monitor has a different color level, and theirs might be different from yours, which is why it could be showing up brown for them. So, anyways, define the shading, especially on the paws, legs, neck, and tail.

I don't know whether it's a monitor issue, but she looks more brown to me, than grey, as well. Could you also define the earpink a tad? 14:03, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Try filling the base color of the cat with hex code color #939393? 16:45, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how to explain this, but, curve the shading with the body to make it look like it fits snugly. Lol I probably sound like a freak but look at these photos. Notice how they curve convexly where the shoulders and back... shoulders? are. try to have your image do the same :) If this doesn't make sense, then forget about it because I'm probably just being a picky idiot XP <span style="">05:16 Thu Aug 1

Re-uploaded. I took your suggestion, Kelpsey, because I knew exactly what you were talking about, and that your not a picky idiot. xD And Knight, I used your hex code, how does it look now? I defined the shading more, and tried out the gaussian blurring again. How's it look? -I made sure there was no smudged, painted over, or faded lineart about 7 times before uploading- xD 12:51, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading; it's looking kinda blotchy. <span style="">13:14 Thu Aug 1 2013

There appears to be some missing lineart from the front leg...

Add a little more shading where the front leg meets the belly; the chest highlight looks too bit to match the light source 02:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add some more depth to the shading. 02:16, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added depth. Added the missing lineart. Added more shading where the leg meets the belly. Blurred the shading so it's no longer blotchy. 12:46, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define light on the tail and define light on the hindpaw. 12:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 13:21, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Decided to blur the shading a lot more, so it looks better. More comments? I'm bored. 13:50, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the haunch, and lighten up the base pelt. Right now, it looks like a dark gray-brown. Blur the shading a lot more. What I would recommend for blurring is to change the rate of your blur tool to 100, and you'll find that at the bottom of the brush opacity and tools. Blur it until it doesn't looks as solid anymore. Also, expand the highlight on the face, and define the earpink please. 14:03, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:05, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Now the erapink seems neon, and blur the shading some more, along with darkening it a tad more, not too much. 17:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading slightly, and made the earpink less neon. 20:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Some earpink has leaked into the lineart layer. Also, it looks more of a solid color and two lighter patches where the 'highlights' are. Add some depth to the shading to depict it from the actual pelt color, and soften the 'highlights'. Looking good! <span style="">21:50 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Splook! Fixed the earpink that had leaked into the lineart. Fixed the solid color areas with some highlights. Added more depth to the shading. 23:59, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a tad more. In this state, I recommend blurring the shading at rate 15-20 with gaussian blur. Also, the earpink seems to have disappeared. 00:11, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had re-uploaded the new version right after you commented on my talk page, but I didn't know you'd comment on this so I said nothing. But I used the gaussian blur. ;) 00:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some shading/color receding from the closest foreleg and the head. 02:00, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear pink, since I can't see it at all..and the back two feet (back of the image, not back of the cat, so it'd be the two we can't fully see) appear to not have shading.

Re-uploaded. 12:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart appears to be thicker in some places than it should be. I compared it to Flamepelt's warrior, and it doesn't quite seem to be the same. The image also appears to be overblurred, and it causes the color to fade, making it look like this. o.o

Maybe make the ears a little more pink, and also maybe make her pelt a little lighter. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:42, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why does her pelt need to be lightened? I think the color is fine. I think the color is fine, as it is a gray cat. But it does need to be defined a bit. Also, can you blur the shading on the paws? They look black. 01:07, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Flamepelt's warrior was only just approved or is still in the process-haven't checked-. Also, he is too light of a cat to compare lineart's with. I compared Meadowslip's to Dustpelt's, and they matched exactly. I think it's the shading that makes it look like that. Also, Frosty was also telling me as she read through these that she will not change the earpink. It is staying like that. She said only if someone agrees with Creamtail, since Frosty believes someone will tell her "It's too neon" or "make it grayer." But I still hate disagreeing with Cloudy .-. Keep it up, Frosty~ c: 12:59, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed almosteverythingthat was brought up. And Raven, if you scare me with a message as big as that again, we're gonna have a talk xD 13:28, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was talking about Flamepelt's lineart, not the actual image, which which all lineart for shorthaired warriors should match unless it's a required lineart tweak. Which, according to PS, when I zoom in, there's missing and blurred lineart throughout certain parts of the image.

Yes, I know you were talking about the lineart. But she has darker shading near the lineart, since it's a darker cat. And I don't see any more blurred and missing lineart. She might have repaired it all. But I'll double check.. 22:29, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Re-did the whole image, and it turned out better than I expected. I have no lineart missing or faded now, my shading moves along with Meadowslip's body. I tried a slightly lighter color of pelt, if everyone prefers the darker one[I don't care, I like both, maybe the darker better] I'll change it back. Any comments? 01:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Woahh she looks sooo much better!:3 great job! Add/define earpink-it seems forgotten. wow, amazing! <span style="">17:25 Sat Aug 10

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much! :3 I'm even surprised by how good my image looks. xD 13:04, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading a smidge? This looks wonderful! 17:25, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source on the tail - I can't see any. 17:26, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Knight! :D 21:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

There's some miscolored/blurred lineart on the ear, tail, and haunch. <span style="">21:20 Sat Aug 10

Define the overall shading. Keep in mind that define does not equal darken, however.

Re-uploaded. 01:01, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source and shading on the tail some. 03:45, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a tad and try defining the earpink (maybe saturate it a bit more). Pretty. :3

Can you define the shading near the top of tbe head a little bit? This is over 50% complete, so I'll change the title, and move you to an apprentice. 03:58, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much, Knight! c: and thank you, Stone! I fixed that pesky tail shading, smoothed out the rest, and defined the head shading. 12:24, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ and I blurred the earpink a little. 12:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur, define, and darken the shading please. 02:38, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Not sure if this was what you were looking for, Duck... 12:56, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot more. 17:26, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Okay, so, to tell you all the truth, I hated the shading on the last one, so I redid it, also because I wanted to try out a new shading technique. Hope you guys like this one better...Comments? c: 00:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

This shading looks better. I think you should get rid of the highlight at the head, though. Wanty (talk) 01:56, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:17, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur some of the top shading where the head highlight used to be? If not, thats okay..it's not really a problem. 12:04, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dull the highlights (as it looks kinda confusing seeing one everywhere but the head?), darken and define the shading, and perhaps unblur the ear pink a bit? It seems like it's becoming a tad bit of a blob, although that could be my eyes from lack of sleep.

Hmm, << paw lineart is blurred. <span style="">00:11 Thu Aug 15

Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ Under Evaluation
So after careful analysis, here's my first Charart! Hawktalon (talk) 00:04, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, and doesn't he need texture? 00:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the fur strands you see in the rogue picture? Hawktalon (talk) 00:09, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's what Beebs means. It's gotta be there, considering it's on the rogue. They've gotta match. Also, based off the rogue, there should be a lighter underbelly, muzzle, and paws. And there's some waste by the head on the <-- side. <span style="">00:13, 07/16/2013

You might also want to define the shading too. <span style="">02:09 Tue Jul 16

Shading looks a tad flat. 13:31, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Since this is your first image, I believe this needs to be 'Under Evaluation' so I changed the heading ^^  03:53, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the right ear. Thistleflight (talk) 21:24, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foreleg furthest from us. 14:54, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Also noticed some waste beside > this ear too. Very faint, but indeed waste. 11:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on it. I just need to find the texture used and then I'll reupload. Want2know (talk) 13:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes, I know there's no texture, but I still need to find the texture used. I've removed the waste and defined the shading. Hawktalon (talk) 15:54, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by "find the texture used"? You create the texture on your own, with layers and layers of work. If you don't know, you can ask Raven, the OA of the rogue image, to find out how she made it. ^^;;


 * I asked Raven, and am awaiting an answer. And as for the texture, I'd prefer to have it as close to the original texture as possible (.)^D Hawktalon (talk) 16:06, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading more. 00:57, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. With the help of Raven, I've added the texture, as well as darknened the shading. Want2know (talk) 18:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

The texture needs to be all over his body. His muzzle and underside need to be pale to match the rogue, too. 18:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I've put the texture all over the body, as well as paled the underside and muzzle. Want2know (talk) 19:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading; and make sure they layer opacities all match the rogue. Looking Good! c: <span style="">19:53 Thu Jul 25

Re-uploaded. I did what was asked. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste beside both forepaws and tail. --Ambershine223 (talk) 21:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Took out the waste. Want2know (talk) 23:29, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the darker parts of your shading? Also, his chest should be a lighter grey color, like on his paws. 17:19, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I've defined the shading by darkening it, and lightened the chest. Want2know (talk) 17:46, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Define the texture heaps. <span style="">01:37 Sun Jul 28

Re-uploaded. Added more texture so it's more visible and defined. Want2know (talk) 02:05, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading and light source; also the texture looks as though it could still be defined. <span style="">04:19 Sun Jul 28

Shading needs to be defined and your texture patches need to be blurred. 11:35, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

^ Lol! I realized when I read over my comment that I wasn't making much sense. What I mean by "blurring the texture patches" was that you should blur the highlight as it comes in contact with the fur. It looks kinda blotchy now. 11:38, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Tweaked the shading to define light source, as well as defined shading and blurred the highlight as well. Want2know (talk) 22:48, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can you try to make the shading blend in more with the pelt? Also, can you define the lighter part on his muzzle? Right now it looks like a highlight. ^^  03:36, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blended shading with the pelt and defined the light part of muzzle. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The texture does not match the rogue, so make it match more. Also, I don't see the light source. 03:11, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the texture go along with the how the fur would flow on a real cat, if that makes sense. <span style="">02:55, 08/4/2013

I see some earpink leaking out of the sides of the ears. Remove it? 02:17, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 02:24, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I completely redid the texture and shading, and now that I think about it, it looks better. Wanty (talk) 19:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on his side/belly area, and define (or darken) it on the tail, paws, and chest. 23:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened and made the shading more visile. Wanty (talk) 00:07, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the ear pink and deffine the shading more. 21:37, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps soften and define the texture, and add depth into it. <span style="">21:46 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Shaded ear pink, and added to the texture. Also added highlights *sighs* Wanty (talk) 18:42, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the lighter gray parts. 19:02, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the texture seems to disappear when it reaches the shading. 19:03, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some very faint silver/gray tabby markings on his chest and front legs. I think you should fix that. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:45, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights Wanty (talk) 17:31, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Creamtail, they do look like strips. If you want, I believe there is a tutorial for highlights on the apprentice tutorial (here) page. 01:02, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

They're supposed to be texture by the looks of it. Because they don't really look like tabby markings. But Wanty says they were highlights. So yeah. ._. Fix what they said.. 13:48, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights; on the original file I made the highlights part of the fur texture. <font color="#100c08" face="Century Gothic">Rav <font color="#483c32" face="Century Gothic>en <font color="#b2beb5" face="Goudy Old Style">Exodia! <font color="#808080" face="Goudy Old Style">It's <font color="#100c08" face="Goudy Old Style">not <font color="#0f0f0f" face="Goudy Old Style">possible! 21:23, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

^ Like my twin said :3, please get rid of the tabby marks. Make them look more like highlights, like whats on the back of the cat. 22:32, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I changed the highlights to look more natural and like highlights. Also defined the texture in the shading. Wanty (talk) 15:31, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you perhaps define the shading on his head a bit? Nice! 19:39, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined shading on face. Thanks Knight!Wanty (talk) 22:06, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the fur into the earpink some. 03:47, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Smudged the fur at the ear. I hope the picture's making progress... Wanty (talk) 19:28, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

It is! He is looking wonderful so far. c: Maybe blur the shading on this <--- front paw? If not, that's okay. 16:35, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the tail too, and define it on his (our) right paw. 22:03, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Raven! I blurred the shading (I can't blur it much though) and defined it on the (his) left paw. Wanty (talk) 18:07, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome c: Also, make the texture more visible on the tail. I have to lean in to see it. Not the highlights, the texture. xD 00:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading on our left front foot, and also on the tail? The shading on the head also appears flat, could you define it some more and perhaps add more depth to it? 00:44, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I made the shading more visible on the head, but I can't blur too much or else the other shades become virtually invisible. Is there a way I can fix this? Wanty (talk) 01:37, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

If you use GIMP, you lower your blur rate. If you use pixlr, I'm pretty sure it can do the same..[Sorry have not used it in a long time]. So, blur (our)left paw some more by lowering your rate. Hope that helped~The blur rate starts a 50, so just lower it from there. And you may even need to darken your shading.. 11:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks for the help Frosty. I redid the shading and darkened it to make it more even. Wanty (talk) 13:59, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the edges of the shading on the tail and the front paw that's closest to us, so it blends more. Also, define it on the other paw and chest. And it seems to be residing a bit on the haunch/side part, so can you add more shading to it to fill it up? (sorry if you don't get what I'm saying oi >.<)  00:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Did what was asked. Wanty (talk) 01:50, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Flamepelt (E) ~ For Approval
Re-posted! Um, I tried to fix all of the things Knight suggested before this got declined. Changes aren't showing. Comments? 01:46, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the paw shading just a tad? Nice work, Shade 01:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded Thanks! Changes not showing. 01:57, July 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

The stripes still look a tad paintbrushy imho, smudge them a bit more? 05:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I don't think the changes are showing. 22:55, July 18, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Could just be me, but the stripes almost look redder up front. 00:07, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you expand the earpink to fill the whole ear? 22:50, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 15:18, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Shadewing, but I have to decline this due to lack of work >.< 23:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 23:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Atelda, it's almost been a week. Are you still working? Not to rush, but... <span style="">17:49 Fri Aug 2

She removed her reservation, because she doesn't have enough time. ._. ...an last I checked, asking if someone was still working on an image was a lead job? o.O

Actually, I don't think the guidelines say anything about only leads asking if someone is still working. Unless I missed something, it says nothing like that. owo 18:30, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

My apologies lol XD may i remove my blizzardwing reservation and take over?? I was having trouble with that pattern anyways <span style="">02:33 Sun Aug 4

'Course, Kelpsey~ Don't even really need to ask, just make sure to reserve it. <span style="">02:54, 08/4/2013

Reup Arghhh here... I think I've ripped all the hair out of my head now *shoots pixlr and its founder and myself and Flamepelt* <span style="">04:43 Sun Aug 4

Okay, I hope you don't mind, but I'm not going to re-up till Monday when I finally get home and have gimp to work with. Please dont decline lol <span style="">04:46 Sun Aug 4

I believe it'd need to match the warrior, since it's already up on the approval page. It's fine if you can't reupload, as long as it doesn't go over a week between updates. <span style="">05:02, 08/4/2013

I'd prefer if you comment on what is currently posted because Scarlet hasn't posted for well over a week and has gotten a comment about the stripes. I'll leave a message on her talk concerning our images. I don't have anything against her image, it's just i don't want to get caught up imitating scarlet's amazing masterpieces when I'm not sure what's happening with this yet. lol inexperienced apprentices x.x <span style="">16:38 Sun Aug 4

I think you have to wait until the end of the 7th day or until it's at least declined. Anyway if this does stay up, define the shading depth tons and blur the stripes a tad. 17:24, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's not declined until it's declined, therefore you really should match Scarlet's pattern...

Also, to match Scar's pattern, darken the base coat a bit, and define the earpink some. 02:18, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded reunited with gimp X3 I know this doesn't match completely for the sake of realism. I'll check with Scar if this is okay or not. <span style="">05:07 Mon Aug 5

Make the tail match more. This is great! 16:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like he has paler parts on him that he does not have on his warrior image, could you get rid of those? 23:25, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add some more depth to the shading, its hard to see. 21:36, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Could you elongate the haunch shading a bit into the leg? If that made any sense at all. <span style="">21:42 Tue Aug 6

New shading! Awaiting an answer from scarly right now. Crossing my fingers for cba lol <span style="">00:23 Thu Aug 8

Blur the stripe above the eye just a smidge. Great job! <span style="">16:00 Thu Aug 8

The one directly above, or the chevron-shaped one? <span style="">20:01 Thu Aug 8

The chevron-shaped one. <span style="">22:06 Thu Aug 8

Can you get rid of all the pale parts? The warrior does not have any. Also, the tail still needs to match. (the warrior doesnt have the solid stripes on them right? forgive me if it's just my bad eyesight)  00:59, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, you're right, Misty. There are pale parts on the head and face and on the tail, they need to have stripes. 13:41, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reup I'd already gotten rid of the pale parts x.x and I'd rather keep the tail that way because it's more realistic. Blurred the stripe, though. <span style="">04:57 Sat Aug 10

Unless Scarlet has it on her image, you need to remove it from yours, actually... and I don't see that on the warrior, so please match Scar's image....that includes the tail. o3o

Reup Tinted shading to match scar's too.sneaking aroung @ 1:30 am >;) <span style="">08:29 Sat Aug 10

There is still a big blank spot on the face. you should have the mini stripes run over it, but keep the big ones still. Make it match. Run it smoothly over. 13:56, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine. <span style="">16:35 Sat Aug 10

I agree with Raven. The warrior had the mini stripes running over his face, so of course the elder should. Add them please. 01:04, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken the elder would have a bluish tint, since the warrior has it o3o 03:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reup Thought the tint was purple, lol XD and if i'm not mistaken, there aren't any stripes on the muzzle but.. <span style="">20:11 Sun Aug 11

There are not. xD Maybe add a little more depth to the shading where the legs bend and meet? 16:43, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Can you try to make the stripes on the tail match more to the body? They look too long, and there are too few of them  01:47, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the shading more?

Reupload -_- <span style="">02:57 Wed Aug 14

Why the face? I saw no need for it.... Anyways, blur the shading a little bit more, please.

Reup. I can't blur anymore than this. And I hadn't done anything to the face in the last upload. <span style="">23:46 Wed Aug 14

No, I was talking about your -_- comment. Could you define exactly where the ear pink is? I have to squint to see it.

Reup. Sorry it's just this image was beginning to piss me off. <span style="">00:08 Thu Aug 15

Haha, don't worry, we've all been there cx But I do believe that there is a gray pixels on his haunch lineart.. 00:19, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reup. lol <span style="">00:37 Thu Aug 15

Finchkit (Star) ~ CBA
Ugh I dun like how this turned out <span style="">06:19, 07/17/2013

O I just noticed I forgot to change the date from my previous reservation. I'm not entirely sure if that affects this considering it's like a minute after that I noticed and I'm changing it? Someone tell me whether or not this gets declined? /shot <span style="">06:24, 07/17/2013

Could you blur the stripes just a tad to match her other image? 03:48, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Just lighten the shading juuussst a smidge? If not, that's okay. 20:38, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs lightened, and blurred a touch. <span style="">2:01 Fri Jul 19 2013

Thicken the stripes just by a pixel or two, and define the pale belly. 00:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">16:09, 07/20/2013

The black shading is throwing the color off, could you tint it a different color perhaps? 00:07, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Waste < this side of the chest. --Ambershine223 (talk) 21:43, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">11:45, 07/27/2013

Define the earpink on the << ear, as I can't see it. This is really cute Shimmer! 02:41, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the shading a tad on the back/midsection area? 00:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

I think the shading's fine '^^ Still working? 03:08, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think both the shading and earpink are fine, I can see the earpink. Yeah sorry for not keeping up with this very well, I've been busy as of late. x.x <span style="">22:37, 08/3/2013

I think the earpink on --> side is on the wrong side of the ear. x3 22:39, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Looks great! The >> eye looks like its a lazy eye so maybe let it point the other way? <span style="">04:56 Sun Aug 4

Couldn't the earpink be on either side, though? I thought it worked for both, but sorry if I'm wrong >.<  13:38, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded No, it can't work for either side, nor was it on the wrong side. The color was just really close to the pelt color and it made it appear that way since the earpink layer was under the shading layer. I changed the earpink color, hopefully that's fixed it. I hate the eyes on this blank x.x <span style="">14:21, 08/4/2013

I think the ear pink works on either side of --> ear. I know when I made Mosskit's alt, I had it on the other side, and it looked fine... I think it's artist's choice on these blanks, just like the loners.

Quite a few days without comments, so Imma CBA this.

Sorry, but shoulder stripes don't curve with the shoulder. <span style="">20:02 Sun Aug 11

They appear to be fine to me. ^^;;

I honestly still think the shading could be tinted more like in the kit image and made a little lighter  21:16, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded The tint matches almost exactly now, and I lightened it a bit. Not sure if changes are showing. <span style="">12:07, 08/13/2013

I'm not sure if you want to, it could be just me, but can you define the nosepink?

I'd prefer not to, since it's the same color as the kit's. <span style="">02:21, 08/14/2013

Looks fine to me. CBA? <span style="">6:01 Wed Aug 14 2013

Flamepelt (W) - CBA
scarly loves her days off with wifi....and Flamepelt too, I suppose. Comments? 03:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the stripes a bit? They look lighter compared to the elder. Nice work, Scar! 03:31, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 13:59, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that there are as many stripes on her his elder, and the stripes are a tad thicker on his elder, wonderful work! 17:45, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's a tiny bit of waste this side > of the tail. Nice work!--Ambershine223 (talk) 21:46, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? <span style="">22:04 Thu Jul 25 2013

Re-uploaded Yup 01:22, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

The bit of waste is still there.-- 12:30, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 23:07, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Personal preference, but do you think you can give him more defined stripes? As is, the stripes almost look like texture. <span style="">17:22 Mon Jul 29 2013

Maybe add some more depth to the shading. If not, cool with me, as this is a neat image ouo 02:42, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? <span style="">6:21 Sun Aug 4 2013

Re-uploaded Yeah, still working. Internet at camp's been a butt lately... >.< 01:20, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you add some more depth to the shading, it still seems hard to see. 21:35, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 20:02, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? This is actually quite neat looking. .o.

There is some shading left off the back heel. Sorry to interrupt! <span style="">05:45 Sat Aug 10

It looks fine to me? o.O I'm going to continue the CBA, since I honestly cannot see what you mean.

The purple tint doesn't really seem to go well with the base pelt color, in my opinion. Could you try lightening the shading or changing it to a more browner/redder color? 06:17, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but I think it looked good when it was black imho. <span style="">16:39 Sat Aug 10

Waste <--- to the left of the neck. 21:39, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Dullen and redden the earpink, it's quite conspicuous right now. And by the shading being of the heel, I meant this.. <span style="">20:06 Sun Aug 11

The earpink is fine, as it can be that color with red/ginger cats, too. But I agree with the neck/heel shading owo  22:06, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded This shading is driving me nuts... <angry face; squinty eyes>  02:34, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? <span style="">6:00 Wed Aug 14 2013

Sorry, but define paw shading? <span style="">23:52 Wed Aug 14

It's fine, imho. CBA will continue.

Brackenwing (Alt Star) ~ For Approval
I tried. 01:22, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Her eyes need to be green. 01:24, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

I see some waste near the paw on >>> side, and where's the light source on the tail? 01:24, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Very pretty! Define the shading on the foreleg closest to us? 01:27, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:22, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a little? <span style="">0:01 Thu Jul 25 2013

I think the shading's fine, but if others agree, I will. 14:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think a little lighting would be alright. Also, on her tail, there is some shading on the middle of her tail that doesn't quite match the light source; could you kind of erase that? 17:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I need this approved soon; I'm going to Indiana for vacation tomorrow, and I won't have Internet access. 22:32, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be 2 strips of lighter coloring on her belly/side & her shoulder. Could you smooth that out? c:  23:31, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. That was from my failed attempt to create texture. I got rid of that. 00:20, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail, the arm, and the chest. 21:15, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I think there fine; however, I'll fix if others agree. 20:13, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Icy, also define the chest highlight. 20:19, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawing. I just don't have the time right now. 21:46, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 21:57, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that. I've found something else I'd like to work on. 23:32, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 23:57, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

How does she look? ~Dawn

The file needs to be named File:Brackenwing.star.alt.png. ^^;;

Add more depth to her eyes. 10:41, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the shoulders, chest, legs and head please, it looks very flat. Also, define the unshaded part on the shoulder and legs. 13:23, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I think the shading could be smoothed out, but let me know if I'm wrong. <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 14:11, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm not sure... well, maybe squash the flank shading down a bit? Eek I can't explain things at all 15:14, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree Sorrel, I think the chest looks fine, but if anyone else thinks not, I will change it. <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 16:39, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Er, the flank is the side, but anyways, you may want to extend the neck shading on the (our) left side of the head and define the tail shading. 03:51, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 00:40, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading and light source on the tail. 00:42, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re-ups ~ Dawn!!

Define eye depth <span style="">02:29 Sun Aug 4

Remove the bit of shading on the top of her back (by her muzzle)? Looking pretty! 11:54, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the unshaded parts on her tail and paws? ^^  13:36, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sorrel! Re-ups <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC">☼We are the <font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">crazy people☼ <font color="pink" face="Tempus Sans ITC">~Ke$ha 01:46, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading, and I know shading darkness is artists choice, but is it possible if you could lighten the shading on the back? It looks *very* dark. 21:32, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the head doesn't make sense with the light source; maybe try putting it on this--> side of the head? Also, can you define the shading on the tail? Nice job! 23:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! And I tried the diferent style of shading, which I am very proud of! Re-ups! <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="text-shadow: 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px Midnight blue;">Si <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ber <font color="darkblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ia 00:42, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be defined. 13:39, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

And perhaps darken it a little, too? 17:11, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 21:40, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, family problems. I'll upload tonight. <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="text-shadow: 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px Midnight blue;">Si <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ber <font color="darkblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ia 01:46, August 13, 2013 (UTC) Chest shading is caving. Erase out a highlight to make it less flat. This is wonderful, Dawn~ <span style="">00:24 Thu Aug 15

Whiteberry (W) ~ Under Evaluation
I grabbed this cat as soon as the former one was declined, and I'm quite proud of it. My first white cat, but not my first charart. But my best. Ambershine223 (talk) 11:22, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Not bad! There's a bit of waste where his muzzle meets his forehead, and theres some filling the gap between his hindquarter and forelegs. Define the light on his face. 11:30, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I can't believe I missed that! What does define the light on his face mean? Ambershine223 (talk) 11:44, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Make it more noticeable. And make the background transparent. 12:42, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

How? Sorry for being a pain but I don't know how to do either--Ambershine223 (talk) 14:31, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the tail and back. 14:34, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Remove some of the shading from the face, or put a dodge tool on it until it matches the other highlights. 14:44, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'll do it tomorrow as I'm banned from the computer ( I'm writing this on my iPod). Thanks. --Ambershine223 (talk) 16:01, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by his tail, and the white is starting to look gray. Could you perhaps the lighten the shading just a tad? 23:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes aren't showing, I believe. Ambershine223 (talk) 10:53, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

I have done it, but it isn't showing here. :-( Ambershine223 (talk) 10:53, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- 20:44, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Make earpink less neon? 02:27, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a bit, and also, the ear farthest from us isn't completly shaded, it's kinda cut off at the tip. Stoem star 02:30, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Could you sharpen up her shading a bit, and also add/define the shading on the legs? Nice work on this! 17:29, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' Changes not showing. 09:34, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

There is some gray/white pixels on the lineart (I think because of the shading) on his ears+head, chest, lower back, & tail. 15:08, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Yes, it was from the shading. Went ahead and added some more shading to the tail as well. 16:27, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Between the lineart and the shading, there is a white gap. Please fill that in with shading. Other than that, you're almost as good as Minty. :D  12:06, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think I did it, and thanks, that means a lot. 17:00, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I just realised from my last edit I left some waste. I'll get rid of it tomorrow. 21:11, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, Amber. Also, blur the shading a little on the ear farthest from us. 04:03, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Blurred the pesky ear shading, and removed the waste. Changes not showing yet. 16:05, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

There is a slash of white right through the shading bottom right side, please replace that with shading. Also, blur the tail shading a little. Looking good! :D  05:49, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

He has a white background, can you make it transparent? 03:04, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I knew someone would come up with that soon. Well, I kind of don't know how. 06:03, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

What program do you use, Amber? I can probably tell you how to remove it. <span style="">16:35, 08/3/2013

Pixlr, but I have Gimp and Paint.net too, although this was literally about an hour ago so I don't know how to use them. -- 17:38, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Gray and sourceless shading. And as for the white background, you can actually remove it using Microsoft Word but GIMP is the easiest method :) Leave me a message or PM me if you need help :) <span style="">02:22 Sun Aug 4

Here, simplest way to do it on Pixlr: Select the wand tool, make sure both boxes are checked, select outside the lineart and press delete. That should do it. If you're using layers go through them with what's selected and hit delete on each. If that doesn't work you can use gimp, ezimba, or MS paint. Figured I'd tell you how to do it on Pixlr, since that's what you used for the charart, I assume. That'd be simplest since you used Pixlr, but next simplest is probably going to be gimp. ^^; <span style="">02:47, 08/4/2013

I did what you said, Shimmer, but Pixlr was playing up so I looked at the apprentice tutorials and tried to do it on paint.net but as soon as I got to the add transparency to each layer, I got confused, as I followed it correctly but then the wand tool kept selecting the whole layer. 11:45, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me or is...the image smaller than it should be? <span style="">12:12 Sun Aug 4

It doesn't look any smaller to me. 00:44, August 5, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

I see some waste around the image, some near the rear and tail, some near the head. Remove it? 02:20, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Amber, I'll leave a message on your wall, and I'll give you a whole tutorial on how I prefer to use GIMP's tools. :) 15:02, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. 15:14, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink seems neon. 20:22, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I just want to say, I know I haven't uploaded it for about 5 days but I'm still working. 21:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, Amber:) But I must warn you, if you don't upload by the 7th day, this will be declined, even if you say you're still working. [Almost happened to Frosty's image, AKA: Darkfrost14] 01:16, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I did everything above (Yes, even the transparency).I know the eyes look a bit weird, I'm still working on them but I figured if I leave it too late (which I probably will) this would get declined. 09:00, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart looks blurred, please fix that. And there is some waste inbetween the legs. 11:28, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Also, it looks like the image is bending now. Flat, and bending. Your light source doesn't make that much sense, since you have the right idea on the bottom right leg, and in the center, but when you look at the head, the light source is too far up for it to match. You'll either have to remove some shading to make that part match with the rest, or change your whole light source. And, the image is very blurry. As I said before, it's possibly gaussian blur, and you didn't use the fuzzy select tool so it wouldn't blur the lineart. And I sorta agree with Berry, the image does look smaller to me, when comparing it to Flamepelt.warrior for example, who is also being approved. But don't freak out over this long message, Amber:) Follow one step at a time, and it'll look good-as-new. 13:17, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think it got blurry because it appears to be stretched <--this--> way, if that makes sense. Like the image got stretched wider a bit. 23:05, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think it looks better. I'm not sure. 11:48, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Just cleared some more waste I found. 11:55, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

It looks a whole lot better. Define the eye depth, since it all appears to be one color[put in different shades of amber. Check some of the other images for help]. And define the shading on the neck and inbetween the legs. 11:58, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's very good, but I think Whiteberry looks a little gray on his back and a teeny bit on his tail. Maybe fix that? <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:29, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind cropping the image so there isn't so much extra space?

Reuploaded. 14:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste all around the image. 15:32, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

His paws seem a little dark, and so does the back and tail still. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 16:01, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I have an easy tip to help you get rid of all of the waste. In almost any art program you should be able to do this. Go on the layer that has the lineart, then use your select tool to select outside of the lineart, then go on your shading layer(s) and go to Edit--->Clear and it should remove the waste for you. If you have any other layers of shading, then go on that layer and do the same thing until all of the waste is gone. I hope that helps and if not I could do a join.me to help you, just let me know. 19:18, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts? 00:54, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I tried a new type of shading. 10:43, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

It's a good shading, but, since you spreaded it across the body, it makes Whiteberry look gray, and the white looks like a highlight. So a little less shading would help. But also, define the shading on the muzzle and neck once you've done all that. 13:34, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think Whiteberry looks really good! :D. Good job! <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 14:22, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks! 15:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see a light source...? Define your shading and highlights, it looks flat 20:06, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

^ Like Scarly said. And, the image looks gray still, with the way you have your shading. It doesn't look white at all. The white looks like a light source highlight. Please fix that. 14:01, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

It does look white; it just seems like the shading's gone away, kinda like you filled it in(not to be mean, but..). <span style="">16:42 Sat Aug 10

I'll be away till Wednesday with only my iPod for company. I'll reupload when I come back. 17:00, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Kelpsey, the shading is stretched too far across the body, making it look gray. It doesn't look like it's filled in, because it would be blotchy then. The only white I see is on his back, and that's about it. And the shading is there, it just looks like it's the new pelt color, and the white is its highlight. -Hope you're not overwhelmed, Amber. It won't be hard to fix. 21:47, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth. 03:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

The best way I've found how to shade a white cat (thanks to Paleh), is to basically only put shading on the darkest parts, and if the base pelt is a few small gradients above white and you use pure white to highlight, it won't get spread across the pelt and it will help. It should be on the apprentice tutorial and might explain it better than I can  21:20, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

^ And also, when you have done Ivy's suggestion, add some depth to the shading. Like, where the legs bend and meet, where there would be no light. Like, where creases are. c: 16:53, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Did everything above. Changes may not be showing. 17:28, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading? <span style="">5:59 Wed Aug 14 2013

Um, I'd rather not, as if I darken it any more it will look gray, so unless anyone else agrees... 11:58, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Breezey, but you don't have to darken it much if you'd rather not. Could you also add a lighter spot on the haunch and possibly the tail? It appears to all be in shadow, which I don't think it should be.

Maybe if you tint the shading a bit- like, pink or cyan- it would allow you to darken at the same time as ungray it. ungray? Just make sure to keep the tint subtle or it will look too comical! <span style="">23:56 Wed Aug 14

Amber, I'm just going to point out that tinting your shading is, in no way, shape, or form, mandatory for the project. There are still some long-time members that don't know how to tint, or prefer not to. It's a matter of preference, so please don't take the comments suggesting a tint as mandatory. You have the choice as an artist to shade however you wish, and whatever makes you feel the most comfortable.

Sorry ;/ but again, I said maybe... <span style="">05:28 Thu Aug 15

All I did was point out that it's not mandatory, since some newer users might not realize that. I just wanted to make it clear that Amber isn't required to tint her shading. Different people have a different meaning for the word 'maybe', like I know mine is different from yours, and I just wanted the artist to know that in the end, it's her choice.

Wrenflight (Ki) ~ For Approval
Oh my gosh, its been so long since i've done this. Its my first time doing a more detailed one, so i might need some help :P. I should have finished this earlier, but a hard drive crash cost me all of my hard work. 22:01, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Se looks a bit cross-eyed. This is cute! 22:07, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, her eyes need fixing. --Ambershine223 (talk) 22:13, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded, Changes aren't showing! D:  22:17, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Eyes still look a bit... Weird. But apart from the eyes, this is great!--Ambershine223 (talk) 22:50, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded, i noticed that this image was more of a russet color than brown, so i fixed that. I also tried to fix the eyes too. 23:02, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Taking a break from this for today, Will continue tommorow. 23:06, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

The texture doesn't really match, nor does the color. Try to make her match more. 23:22, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'm withdrawing this since i'm so caught up with other things. Anyone else is free to take over. 14:39, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

I changed the heading for you. -- 14:51, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

I can take over. 15:16, July 26, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I redid it. Changes not showing. On the file page, you have to look at the second most recent version to see mine. 23:28, July 31, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the ear pink, I can't really see it. Also, define the shading on the tail a little more. Looks good. :)  05:52, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded.  Thank you! I don't think the changes are showing. 18:52, August 1, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Her color doesn't quite match the warrior. 16:41, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I got the colors off the warrior. But I'll try to make it match more. 19:15, August 3, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Could you make the texture curve with the body some more? <span style="">02:49, 08/4/2013

Re-Uploaded I got the colors straight off the warrior again, so if they don't match then I don't know why. Changes aren't showing. 20:51, August 4, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Still make the texture flow around the body some more? And define it some? <span style="">22:48, 08/4/2013

The shading looks flat, could you define/sharpen it and darken it? 23:39, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear pink a little? 07:54, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

If need be, you can always just email me for the .xcf file here. 21:32, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Changes aren't showing. Second image down on the file page again. 00:08, August 9, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Could you define the shading on her legs and tail? It looks rather flat there. Nice job! 17:06, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Changes aren't showing. 19:04, August 12, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

There is a speck of waste near this > front paw. Also, make the shine of white on > this eye match the other. 20:18, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Eye style is artist's choice, Raven, and I can't quite see what you're talking about... the eyes look fine to me?

One white is brighter than the other. And, I wouldn't have said anything about it if there had been shading where that eye is. But since there isn't, it has to be fixed. Know what I'm talking about now? Lol xD 20:32, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I can't really tell if changes are showing. I removed the waste and fixed the eyes. If waste is showing up on this version, changes aren't showing. 01:25, August 13, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Maybe move the ear pink up on this >>>> side? If not, that's fine. 10:01, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, wrong ear. <<<< That one. 10:02, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ear pink looks fine to me, imho.

I agree with Skye. 17:38, August 14, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the unshaded parts on her two front paws? Otherwise, well done! 00:14, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Plumclaw (W) ~ For Approval
First charart on this wiki. Matched it as best I could to the apprentice charart that is up there, though I may change the eye color to match it to the one up there later on if people agree to that. Comments? Stoem star 04:26, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink. Nice job for a first! Thistleflight (talk) 15:01, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Derfine the shdaing, and define the earpink. Match the eye color please. 17:08, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Matched exact eye color from apprentice, and made her a bit lighter to match the apprentice too. Stoem star 18:58, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading. 16:59, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Stoem star 17:18, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I see some waste in the area between her legs. 17:21, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the unshaded parts on her legs some? ^^ 15:06, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear pink. 21:14, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I can see the earpink alright. Define the shading on the head a little bit? Very nice job on this! 20:08, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded~  Stoem  star 17:13, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Nice! Maybe blur the highlight on the face/head area? 23:00, July 31, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Define the light source. 03:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 23:21, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I was on vacation. Reuploaded! Stoem star 17:23, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

She looks too shiny. 17:35, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 21:31, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smoothen out the neck shading a bit? <span style="">21:39 Tue Aug 6

Shading is still sourceless. click here to see a guide I made for you. <span style="">22:27 Thu Aug 8

Lighten the base coat a bit - she looks a tad darker than the apprentice. 03:51, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? -And before you say anything, Cloudy, it's not only a leads job, as Duck said- 18:51, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

While it may not specifically be in the guidelines, it has to do with the approving or declining an image, and therefore it is a lead's job. So please do not do so. <span style="">20:31 Mon Aug 12 2013

Sorry Rae, it won't happen again. Only if I become a lead one day. I swear. 22:30, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I keep disappearing, anyways, thanks for the guide Cloudy :} Reups! Stoem star 23:10, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oopsies I'm not Cloudy! We just have the same first name lol Define eye depth? <span style="">23:49 Wed Aug 14

Eye style is artist's choice, I think. But could you define the tail shading just a tad? Good job! 00:13, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define the neck shading too. Amazing image is awesome, dear. ouo

Cloudstar (A) ~ CBA
*Adds to list of patterns I hate matching* I tried to make the white non-gray, and that's as white as they'll get. I was thinking about tinted shading, but then saw his others had black, so I went with the flow. Comments? 00:58, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Bunch of things I forgot to do. XD 01:03, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

The big white patch on his face should be reversed to the << side, like on his StarClan image 01:06, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

No because the StarClan image was made after the pattern redo and it doesn't match and it needs to be tweaked 01:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

You can probably get away with darkening the gray slightly, since on the three out of the four images of Cloudstar, the gray is darker than this. It might also help if you defined the shading more. Wonderful, Hawkmask. 04:07, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 14:12, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the patches, and blur the shading on the arm. 21:12, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 22:00, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Could you sharpen and/or define the shading a bit more on the shoulders and head? It's just a bit hard for me to tell where it is right now. And perhaps also sharpen up the patches a bit more? 16:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

I'll be gone for a few days so I'll re-upload when I get back. Please do not decline as it'll only be a day or two. Thanks! 17:24, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:39, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Front shoulder shading is faced the wrong way. I think if you make the shading just a little teal or something you can get away with it and plus it'll make the shading look more... defined. <span style="">17:36 Fri Aug 2

I think it's fine, and I am not doing tinted shading; no way. Shading is artist's choice. 01:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define where exactly the patches are, as I can't tell, and it looks like somewhat blotchy shading.

Withdrawing. I lost the file. I wish I could still work on this. I found it but I'll upload later. 03:02, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I should probably mention that the leader image is not tinted, and that's what everything was based off of, therefore you don't have to tint the image at all.

Re-uploaded. It's hard to work with such a small space, and the white is as defined as possible. The shading looked blotchy because of the area the shading was in and the way the white was smudged. 15:29, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Do you use Gaussian blur? Try using the regular blur tool, only blurring when you need it to blend over a surface like a shoulder/haunch/etc.That way you can adjust the blur size to make it blend over more or less, depending on the surface. hope that made sense =3 <span style="">18:06 Sun Aug 4

I already prefer using the blur tool, thanks. I am very experienced with GIMP and know my way around, so you don't have to tell me. -_- 20:07, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

She was just giving you a suggested, Hawk. No need to get snippy. Also, the patches should still be defined a bit more, as they look a tad overblurred and don't quite match juuuust yet. Placement is good, as is coloring, but just overblurred.

Re-uploaded. Sorry. 00:32, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The patches are rather over-smudged; could you maybe smooth out the edges a little bit? Also, can you define the shading a bit? 22:40, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes might not be showing. 00:09, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think the gray on his pelt looks smudged a bit. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 16:02, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, and it's the shading that makes it look that way. 16:38, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Nice! However, I would suggest defining the difference between the shading and the patches. They seem to blend together making it seem as if the patches are the shading. Perhaps try not to blur the patches too much.

Well, there isn't much I can do. The base pelt is very light, and the surface area of the blank is very small. The only thing I can do is lighten the shading on the patches. 00:41, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but on the other images, you can clearly make out the patches. They're overblurred (still), and the white looks gray.

Re-uploaded. Redid shading and patches. 01:04, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. White looked gray. 01:07, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

The white still looks a teeny bit gray, but I think that'll be fine. This looks much better!

I'll be gone for a few days so I'll update when I get back. Please don't decline! 17:45, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shade over the chest highlight as it suggests a light source from underneath. I find this image pleasing :) <span style="">20:19 Sun Aug 11

Re-uploaded. Looks like the trip would only last a day. -_- The light source is actually coming from <-- this side. Thank you. 01:44, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

There is waste all around the tail, and above the back behind the head. There might be more, but I didn't check. I'm lazy xD 20:22, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. This must be it. *muffled awe music playing in the distance* 00:19, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Aye, this is nice. CBA? 00:49, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Algernon (KP) - For Approval
and Prussia's next on the list of Country collars. Sorry for posting this late, band camp is taking up most of my days. Changes may not be showing. <span style="">01:29 Wed Aug 7

Where's the light source? I can't see any. Likin' the eyes on this one o3o 02:01, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I redid the shading to have more of the light coming in like <--. Better? And thanks :D <span style="">20:29 Wed Aug 7

Is there a chance of you being able to define the texture on this? 19:15, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Add a touch more depth to his shading so he doesn't look quite as flat. 23:58, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the earpink. This is amazing! 16:05, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Idk if I'm repeating comments, but the shading looks a bit more like a stripe on his back than shading. <span style="">20:15 Sun Aug 11

Reuploaded. Redid the shading altogether. Is it too dark? <span style="">21:53 Mon Aug 12

Does the base color match? It looks a bit darker on his rogue image. 22:13, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

^ I think what Misty's saying is that there are darker texture "slashes" I'll call them, on the rogue. Please add those. Slashes? What has our world come to...x3 22:28, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

No, I think the darker "slashes" are just the base under the texture, and yeah I think the base pelt could be darkened a tad. Also, possibly sharpen the texture just a bit. 02:40, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a tad.

I think the shading should only be blurred on the head, if she blurs it on the body all together it seems itll be too defined to me. 13:23, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blizzardwing (A) ~ For Approval
ew what have I created if changes aren't showing  <span style="">07:01 Thu Aug 8

What are you talking about? This is incredible, Berry! I wish I could do charart like this. Lighten the mottles a tad. 14:25, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The color seems to not be the same as in the warrior image, I don't know if that's the shading or not though. If it's just the shading then that's fine, just lighten it then 19:14, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

No offense Berry, but pay you please stop saying your images are bad >.<'. It sounds like you're fishing for compliments x.x/shot Smudge mottles more. There needs to be more too. Lessen the tint and smudge the shading more. <span style="">22:00 Thu Aug 8

Blur the shading on the face? It looks like a gray patch of fur right now. 00:42, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Think you could change the tint of the shading to the cyan it is on the warrior? It'll make the colors match a lot more. (I don't know if I'm repeating Ivy or not, sorry. ^^;) <span style="">6:17 Sat Aug 10 2013

I think that the mottles need to be more circular and kinda creamish color (sorry if this doesn't make any sense DX)

Still working? 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Larksplash (A) ~ For Approval
Eh this sucks.. It was hard to match the marvelous warrior image. So, she gets an apprentice image because she was mentioned as one. Comments for improvement?

She is AWESOME!!! However, some of the tabby lines seem a teeny bit smudged. And her underbelly seems a bit darker. Other than that, it's AMAZING, :D!!

I think she needs to be more mottled too. I also fixed the align for you 21:17, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Creamtail, I'm not sure what you mean by tabby lines, as she's not a tabby. Also, I tried to lighten her belly, but that's as far as I can, because of the lightsource/shading. Not sure if changes are showing yet.

She has a creamish color on her warrior image, can you add it? (or define it, if it's just there but not very visible) 22:11, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the chest. (I'm not sure if this is a repeat of what misty said, if so, I'm so sorry!) 13:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it's just my monitor settings, but does the >> earpink drag past the ear onto the dark spot? Good job! <span style="">23:58 Wed Aug 14