User talk:GroceryBag/Archive 1

Warning
GroceryBag, this is a warning. You do not own anything here. Not your user page, talk page, nothing. Any time you hit save, your text is released under the GFDL. See Warriors Wiki:Copyrights for more details. Also, if I revert your edits, it's for a reason. And if I do, the correct answer isn't removing content from any of the pages starting with the prefix User:Eulalia459678. Thank you.-- Eu ( Talk! – Contribs ) 00:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)ANSWER: SORRY FOR WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING WRONG!!!


 * It's ok. I've made my fair share of mistakes. The GFDL is a licence that states that whatever you submit is released into public domain, and can be edited mercilessly by anyone. On a lighter note, I see you like GH3. What system? Favorite song? Difficulty level?-- Eu ( Talk! – Contribs ) 02:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC) ANSWER: Cult of Personality, Wii

Re: THANKS!!!!
Your welcome, GB! Just a little reminder, though, when on someone's talk page, put your replies at the end so it is easier to keep the data straight. Also, sign your replies/questions like this: ~. Anyways, thanks, and your welcome, Rainpaw  (talk!)  00:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC) ANSWER: Rainpaw, you ROCK!


 * Thank you, your's is nice to! =) And thanks for signing with the four tildes, but you don't have to write it out, all you have to do is this: ~, and it will come out as this: GroceryBag with the date and time. Rainpaw  (talk!)  14:36, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:QUESTION
Redtail shouldn't have family on his page. Most family found on the Official Site's family trees are wrong, and should not be added to the wiki. I don't see why they don't remove the trees, since Vicky has said that they are false...-- Eu ( Talk! – Contribs ) 16:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:REPORT
Add none of it. Only family that can be referenced in the books should be added.-- Eu ( Talk! – Contribs ) 17:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Tawnyfur
Yeah, Tawnyfur is a real character, just very minor.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( Talk! – Contribs – Sign Here ) 02:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Elders List
I strongly suggest that you put your time and effort into a more meaningful article. The Elders List page you have created has basically no chance of surviving the AfD Process that the page has been nominated for. It duplicates the purpose of the Elders Category that already exists, and is much more work to maintain and update.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Look... If you actually READ the voting thread in the AfD forum about your article (which I linked in my previous post) you would know that Eu was the one to process the thing. I was just giving you an explanation as to why you shouldn't waste your time with duplicate content. There is a reason both Sysops agree that the article serves no purpose. The content from it is already here on the wiki and doesn't need to be duplicated. You could pour that time and effort into doing something more useful.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 04:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:MISUNDERSTANDING
Actually, it was me. We don't have lists like that. Instead, we have categories. See Category:Books for example. If you'd like, you can add all of the cats on Elders List to the elder category by placing at the bottom of their page.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( Talk! – Contribs – Sign Here ) 13:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Removing AFD Tag
removing the AFD Tag from Elders List. If you wish to attempt to save the article, you should participate in the Deletion Discussion.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Elders List and other things
We have the deletion process for a reason. Unless there's an indisputable reason in the rules (IE: copyright infringement or unused redirect) articles go through the process. "Your" article (No article on a wiki actually belongs to anyone unless it's an Essay stored on userspace) is duplicate content, and consensus will delete it through the vote (Even if you vote to not delete the article, I know that none of our editors who usually participate in Operations will want to keep it. There's simply no reason to).

The AfD process's main purpose is to illustrate consensus and establish what the population of the wiki things... but there are some cases, like this one, where it's nothing but a formality on the path to making it happen.

 Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Switching Delete with AFD Tags
Please do not switch the Delete tag with the AFD one. Delete is used when a page is being suggested for the AfD process, the AFD one is for those pages undergoing the process. They are not interchangable, and AFD should only be used in the event that a page has a Forum topic for discussion & voting. If you continue after this point, after you have been rolledback for it twice, I will begin to class it as vandalism.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Deletion
After a more than 10 minuet lapse between the AFD change and the post, it shouldn't surprise you that someone thought you were just misunderstanding tag uses. The role playing site exists. Please take the time to properly research things before you post AFDs, thought in this case the site does warrant removal.

Please understand that we DO permit pages about Role Playing sites on the wiki do to the huge part they play in the warriors online community. Consult Role Play for more details.

 Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Warrior Catz Deletion
Nah, with a minor deletion like this, there's no need.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( Talk! – Contribs – Sign Here ) 20:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

hey
Hi, gb. I see you're into colors now, did you find the code or something? Gosh, I need to get a life, i've been at this computer for 2 hours now doing practicly nothing... Rainpaw (talk!)  21:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, yeah, I saw your user page (it hurt my eyes lolz). It's called Rainpaw's test page, I edit it when I'm bored, so the most random things in the world can be on that page 0_o Guess what I finally got a life! (i got off the internet for an hour or two and am refreshed again) Okay, I'm done. Rainpaw  (talk!)  23:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Shimmerpool
Actually, Shimmerpool's article is one of our best quality RP articles to date. No deletion tag for it.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( Talk! – Contribs – Sign Here ) 22:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Elders List Tag
Nope, you'll just have to wait :(-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( Talk! – Contribs – Sign Here ) 01:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding Rumors to Articles
Rumors are never appropriate for articles. The only places on the entire wiki that they are ever appropriate is the Forum and Eu's Rumor Page. Please refrain from continuing to add rumors to articles.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 01:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Apology and bad news
Everyone has to start out somewhere. So long as you learn from your mistakes and don't continually make a bunch of them it's not a problem.

As for the lack of a diseases page... It's not a problem. What will happen is that if the vote closes and it's needed, Eu or I will move the page, and it will be re-fitted as a page that details many things under a single topic (such as Prey). There's no need to worry about it yet, since if it's needed, it'll just be done at the appropriate time.

Sometimes, a little patience and waiting is more important. There's no need to rush about making pages for merges involving votes that aren't even closed yet.

 Kitsufox Fox's Den 02:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Mist Where Sunlight Shimmers and Star That Shines On Water
If you find information that is correct, it is perfectly acceptable to change that information without checking with someone. At this point, we do not have all the articles in place for every character, and if you have information on a character, it is acceptable to create that Article. You do not need anyone's permission to edit. Please stop asking about every little thing and understand that you can Be Bold.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 21:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Mentor
I'd be glad to, if you'd like. If you have any questions, feel free to ask (though don't think that just because I'm your mentor, you can only ask me; anyone will be glad to answer your questions :))-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 22:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, just add to your userpage.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 22:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Excessive Small Edits
When deciding on things like colors, it is advisable to take advantage of the "Preview" button, which will let you see what your edits have done without actually saving the page. Every edit that you submit needs to be hand checked by a Sysop, and making 10+ small edits to play with a few colors creates a lot of work for us when you are putting it pointless words like "razzmatazz"... Please be considerate of your Sysops and take advantage of preview in future when playing with code.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 22:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Closing AfDs
Since you cannot complete the process by deleting pages, please leave the closing of AfDs to Sysops. Thank you.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 23:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Eu or I will take care of the AfDs you've started thus far. But in all honesty, it would probably be best if you refrained from starting AfDs. You've only just got an extremely basic grasp of what is and isn't appropriate for the Wiki, and in accordance it would be best for all involved if you waited a bit and got some experience as an editor before you begin participating so actively in operations. Keep voting and watching AfDs, as it will help you understand what is and isn't acceptable... But When it takes you 5-ish edits just to set up the AfD post, it really indicates you're not ready. Finish learning the Wiki Ways ;) Then get more active in Operations. If you find articles you think don't belong, take advantage of the Delete tag, Eu and I do process pages marked, and the Delete tag provides a way for people not ready to open AfDs themselves to suggest pages.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 23:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * AfDs are closed by adding the Afdcomplete tag under the forum tag, Adding a section describing the results, and deleting the article (if applicable to the results of the vote). Since you can't delete pages, it's best that you leave closing them to Me, Eu and any other Sysops that show up after the RfA process opens.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 23:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Eulalia459678
GB... Eu has a life, and it is completely unreasonable to expect them to be at your beck-and-call all the time. Eu is likely off enjoying another aspect of his life right now. There is no way, save knowing they just edited a page, to know if a person is actively on the site at the moment. Please just wait patiently for Eu to answer whatever question you have. They'll drop you a reply on your talk page as soon as they see your message and have a moment to attend to it.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Question List
I'm going to start with a few Hints and Tips for you, GB.


 * Hint #1: You dont' need to start every comment on someone's talk page with the phrase "This is GB". They'll know who you are based on your Signature.
 * Hint #2: PATIENCE. Don't try to overextend yourself. Spend some time familiarizing with the way the Wiki works before you start trying to handle Rollback and Sysop type duties. Focus on learning to create good content rather than trying to policy other content when you're not yet completely familiar with expectations.
 * Hint #3: PREVIEW. There's a button on edit pages that says preview. if you hit this, you can see what your edit will look like without acctually publishing. You save edits this way and clutter Recent Changes less this way.

Now, on to your questions...


 * 1) The Categories are created by adding the code for including the article in the category to the individual Article page. IE: If you wish to add a character to the elder category, you add "  " to that characters article.
 * 2) A mentor needs to be comfortable with Wikicode, familiar with the Policies of the Wiki, and have a good understanding of what an article should look like. You're a long way from ready, but in getting a mentor you've taken a good first step.
 * 3) Deletion can only be done by a Sysop. No page should ever just be deleted without a discussion unless is breaks a rule or qualifies in some other way for express deletion.
 * 4) Create Subpages to archive your old messages on.
 * 5) You have to be a Sysop to have the power to ban another user.
 * 6) The Request for Adminship Process is how you become a Sysop. Current we are NOT accepting Nominations because the RfA Process is undergoing major reforms. If you'd like to get involved with the RfA Reform Project, the updates and changes and plans are being discussed on the Forum.

 Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Contriburor?
A contributor is any user who contributes to the Wiki.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Nicknames & Book images
NICKNAMES
 * Signing with a Nickname is acceptable. You can see all rules applicable to your signature on the Signatures page. It is simplest, however, to just use your full username so that people who are looking for you or trying to link your page have less trouble finding you.

BOOK IMAGES
 * I'm honestly not 100% sure what you're asking simply because you don't upload images to a page... They're uploaded to the site and can be used on any page in it... If you're talking about the Userboxes, you can find information on the project page, and if you have a more detailed question ask.

<span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My Gender
I'm not a she, I'm a guy. :)-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 17:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

RE:Thanks
Your welcome GB. You can call me Shim or Shimmer for short

RE: Nickname & Userboxes
NICKNAME
 * Details on setting things up for Signatures are available in the Signatures Policy. I strongly urge you to edit things to include a link to your Userpage, otherwise replying to you is a pain in the neck.

USERBOXES
 * I don't see either box posted, nor do I see any issues.

<span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 02:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Signature
Try the following code GB

That'll make this: GB. Now, go to Special:Preferences, and click "raw signature". Then copy the code into the signature box, and you're done :).-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 14:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't try to update every instance of your signature. That will make many edits for Kitsu and I to patrol. There is really no need to update your signature, either. Just a waste of time.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 15:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Unsigned Comments
GB, please leave attending to Unsigned comments to people who understand the process, or learn the proper way to attend to them using the Unsigned template. It's also best to leave things alone when they're 6+ months out of date and simply don't matter anymore. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Project Characters
Projects have instructions on joining located in the "Project Members" box at the top that clearly states that you should "place a request to join on the talk page". Please make sure to take the time to read provided information about things prior to asking for help. In many cases Eu and I have taken the time to try and ensure that information is freely available in the area, or on the project pages. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Brackenstar
He was being disrespectful to other users, insulting both Kitsu and Rainpaw, and using all caps, which can be considered "screaming" at other users.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 20:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I archive my talk page once I hit 50 messages, to keep things more organized :)-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 20:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Ha!
lol Thanks.I just copied the text from Jaypaw,then put it in my page,then edited it.--JayfeatherTalk 00:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry, sorry, have been attending to the Talk:StarClan this morning. It's alright that you took this long to respond. I've sent a message to Talk:Mintstar, and still haven't gotten a reply. Just wondering how long you've been an apprentice, and can you please give me hints on how to ask proper questions to my mentor?

Blackstar78 15:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Excessive use of the comment tag
When voting, you can make comments following your vote. The comment tag should only be used when going back in to add an additional comment or comment on the vote text of another person. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)