Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Adding Ages to Character Charts?
Hey everyone~ I'm here to do what I do: make suggestions.

I'm of the opinion that, for characters we have this information on anyway, we should include ages on charcats. (For dead cats, it'd be the age they died at.)

In example, on Firestar's chart it'd say that he is approximately 7 years of age.

We'd only do this for characters we know the ages of, without guessing at it, and doing this would allow us to provide even more information on characters than we already do. Not to mention, with out handy Events Timeline, it'd be a snap.

Comments? 00:15, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea Shelly! But of course, only some cats will get ages. You have my support. 00:37, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, only some cats: the major characters. I like this idea. 00:38, 25, 02, 2012

I like it! 8D Where would it be added though? Just on the Charcat? I think thatd be the best place. And can we just put unknown for the age, rather than leaving it off? Anons will probably eventually start to ask why there's no ages on some, but I think it'd be fine if it just said unknown. But anyways, great idea. ^^ 00:39, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

^^ Yeah. It'l bring up contributive edits for sure. 00:41, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I like this too! 8D I agree with Paleh for it to be on the charcat. @Rowan, this isn't about getting edits up, but for improving the articles. 00:44, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

-Shall be the pessimistic one- While this is a good idea, don't you think it'd be a bit odd to add in ages of only a few characters, meanwhile about maybe 65% - 75% of the characters would be missing this information? Only few characters would have this available information, thus I'm not convinced of making it a part of a characters article.

There's also the bit about years. Since all character articles use the terms used within the books, wouldn't it be odd to use a "human term"? An easy substitute is that would be using the term, "moon", however that'd also add a bit more precision to our estimates. And even with the timeline, I feel like we'd still be guessing at the age of a particular cat.

Anyways, my little outtake on this idea. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but I don't think we should carry out given the pros and cons presented currently. 03:42, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I understand your concerns, and I'll carefully debunk them in order:

1: How many of our character articles ever have everything there may be to have on them? Some have post-death residence, some don't, all depending on whether or not we actually know where they ended up when they died. This is the same exact concept. Nothing different. Making it a part of the character articles will allow us to provide all of the information we have on characters, which is our job.

2: Sure, we can go with moons if you're concerned about terminology. But I think approx. years or even approx. seasons would work as well. Not everything we do on here has to follow Clan vernacular.

3: Our timeline has the information down as best as we know it, which is the best that the books provide, which is as accurate as it's going to get. We know that Firestar is 7, nearly 8. Dovewing and Ivypool are both 1, nearly 2. When Lionheart died, he was approximately 5.

I still think that this is a good idea, in short. 04:13, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Strange. I suggested this months ago and it got shot down :S  04:37, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I refuse to be shot down. ಠ益ಠ 04:38, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

XD We all love Shelly's argument mode. But, this is a great idea. In my opinion, this could actually really improve the articles. And maybe, when they find out all these ages, people will stop tormenting Firestar's age xD 09:31, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, Shelly. Dat face. Both Shelly and Atelda have good points. If we decide to go through with this it would be a terrific addition to character pages. 01:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Shelly's points have proven that this is still in the running for going in the charcats. I agree still. 01:35, 03, 03, 2012

I agree with this idea. 14:56, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

So shall this go to a vote or can we just do it? 01:48, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's a simple matter to resolve, but shall the ages be in moons or year? Also, we have a citation (how to cite it will be a different matter if decided on)? Otherwise, we need only to add it to the template and add it to the characters. 01:57, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think moons, with years in parenthesis. Or seasons would work better, even... And yeah, citations are important. Adding it to the templates should be easy, too. 02:02, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

So, for citations, would we just cite the timeline or what? 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I guess that we should cite the timeline... 15:49, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Something Of Importance
Hey, everyone. This is pretty important, so you might want to take a read.

I was just going through some articles and I checked Dustpelt's page, seeing that there was a missing citation. I decided, on a whim, to go through and check the other citations to make sure they matched up with the books.

Only one out of six was factual. The rest were fabricated.

This got me paranoid about the citations on the descriptions of every other character page. ... I know it's a big thing to do, but I think the project needs to start the process of going through all of the character pages and checking to validate citations. I'm sorry, it's a big task, but it needs to be done. Withthe whole of the project working on it, it shouldn't be too hard.

Likewise, I think that from here on before a page is given silver status, all citations must be validated by someone other than the person that wrote the up. Just a suggestion. 06:13, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

We should go over all the citations within the articles if there are false references. And it shouldn't be so much of a bother to look at the citations during a nomination. Good point to bring up, Shelly. However, to make sure all citations in the descriptions (and maybe even in the family section) are correctly cited, we need all of the project to help. And a note for citations, it's much easier to use the abbreviated version of the citations, thus why we have the template. 06:22, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help with this. You're right; it is a big task, but the whole point of this site is to have factual, certifiable information about Warriors. 20:48, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'll help out as well, since a.) I have all the books, and b.) I have nothing better to do. This is something that should have been brought up a while ago, but it's never gotten this bad before, to where multiple articles have had false references put in them....how we didn't notice, I'll never know. I think each cite regarding description should be carefully looked at from here on out. 20:52, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'll help out as much as I can as well. I own Beyond the Code, Into the Wild and The Forgotten Warrior, but I also go on amazon.com and books.google.com. 20:54, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I would be glad to help with this. I have a lot of the books, so it would be no problem. I can see why you would be worried.

I'm all in this too, I own all the books but one, so I'm in. 8D 23:58 Sun Feb 26

If we decide to do this (since I see no reason not to) where would we even start? And just to clearify, are we just checking descriptions or are we checking all cites on character pages? 00:00, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I advise hitting the random page button and just checking the cites on any character pages you come across. 00:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

That would make sense to me. Obviously don't check cites for the books you don't have. :3 00:08, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

For the record, if you can go back in the page history and find an edit that attributes a citation to a user, do so. Parties responsible for these damaging edits need to be punished. We now have proof at the Erins use our website. We cannot tolerate misinformation, falsification, and rumor mongering. 22:31, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Great idea Shelly, you have my support. I have all the books, and'd be more than happy to help out. 09:54, 28, 02, 2012

Yes, indeed. Although this is pretty late, I think yes. xP 12:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
I figured making a new section rather than just commenting would get this a bit more attention.....

Anyways, due to the false cite problem that was recently discovered, I've been trying to think of a way to show that the page's cites have been verified. I was thinking maybe we could put a template of some sort at the top of the pages saying "This page's references are of questionable authenticity" and that only reliable members (maybe such as members of the project?) could remove it. That way we know that the pages are checked. Or maybe we could make a new template that has the cite in it, but also shows that it's questionable whether it's a real cite or not. I don't know, I just think we should have something so we have a way of knowing when the references have been checked (or haven't) on some pages. Those are just some of the ideas I came up with. Feel free to shoot them down. 22:15, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I acctually like this, becuase it gives an option for people to do even if they don't own the book and question the accuracy and veracity of an article. 22:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. You know it's a good idea if Kitsu supports it. xDDDD

I like it too. It would be a nice addition to the page, and we'd be able to narrow down those references that are false, most of them added in by Wikia Contributors. It's actually quite annoying, because most of the time, they look like good edits, when in fact they're not. Excellent idea, Paleh. 05:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds good, all though it would be a bit confusing- expecially for newer users, it sounds like it could work. As Kit said, it gives users the option to put the reference up, even if they're not 100% sure it's factual. Good find Paleh. 09:50, 28, 02, 2012

This does sound like a good idea to me. I agree completely. 21:24 February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, Paleh, I agree with this. 02:40, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like it. It would work well, looking at the all the links in the articles, and it would provide something for us who are looking for something to do on that spare weekend. I'd say also having a category for it, to point out all articles that would need work. I'll fiddle around with a box later, if more people agree, when I'm less tired and it's not 10:30. xD 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Although, we could make a page, with all the articles that haven't been looked over. 00:34 Thu Mar 1

Woah Kit actually supported one of my ideas. o.o Thanks guys. And Sweet, that'd work to a certain extent, but what stops more false cites being added? If we made a page it'd have to be constantly updated everytime a cite is added, unless the person who sees it first has the book to check. 15:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

If we could get a list of people who are participating in the "cite" thing, maybe we could assign people to articles, and have them check the cites maybe, every 2 weeks? There are a lot of character articles, but if a lot of people participate, I think it'd work. 13:20 Sat Mar 3

I agree with Sweet ^^ Maybe we could add a category of users participating and a category for the pages that need citation checks...or whatever we're calling them =P 12:57, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I feel that a template would be fine, but a category or list of people participating would be unnecessary I feel. 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Thornclaw ~ Silver Nomination
I rewrote and expanded many sections of his history, and add a quote. Comments? 02:23, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Could you change the main quote? And are there any other quotes at all? 02:00, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I changed the main quote, and put the former main quote as a normal quote. For the current main quote, it may not be Thornclaw speaking, but it shows that he has a patient personality, if that's fine. 17:42, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

(I feel really bad saying this) But could you detail/expand all of the sections of the history anymore? 13:02 Sat Mar 3

I already expanded some sections before I nominated the article, but I'll get to expanding the other sections (mostly the ones in PoT and TNP) once I re-read the books I have. 04:15, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 16:37, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'm working on it. I expanded sections;Firestar's Quest, Midnight (Still gonna work on it some more), Dawn, Twilight, Long Shadows, and The Forgotten Warrior. I'll work on some other sections. 08:30, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

I also detailed Ultimate Leader Election: The Clans Decide. 08:31, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Have you expanded most sections? If so, try to expand Sunset a bit. 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 21:52, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 00:39, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Scorchfur ~ Silver Nomination
I'll get some quotes this week. (Sorry, I'm really busy with stuff, and my internet is slow) I'll expand BotC this week too, along with some other sections. Well, comments? 23:32 Sun Mar 4

Anything that can be added as supporting quotes? 23:50, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Could you detail Eclipse and Fading Echoes a bit? 23:52, March 4, 2012 (UTC)

Er, Chez, I just explained I would get quotes... And Skye, I'll do that tomorrow, or some time this week. *Life's being hectic* 00:17 Mon Mar 5

Are you still working on this? 16:37, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

(Eleven days later) I'm going to take over. 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Bouncefire ~ Silver Nomination
Looks good for a sorta minor character. Comments? 06:20, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Add some quotes to the article. Look's good~ 08:20, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Added quotes. He has surprisingly few lines in the book, even though he's often present. (shrug) The book focused more on the daylight warrirors. 15:55, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Reword the first paragraph of SkyClan's Destiny, please. 02:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Taken care of. 23:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 04:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Forgive Me?
Hi guys. I'm still alive, and I just wanted to personally apologize to you all. I feel like I've failed as a leader recently. I've just been really sick and I'm struggling to control my anxiety disorder. School's been really tough on me ad it's really hard to handle. I've said this before, I know, so some of you are probably tired of this. Just say the word and I'll step down. If you still want me to stay, I will. I'll make more of an effort to contribute. The thought of me leaving makes me shed actual tears, but I won't be offended if you want a better leader. Please, try and accept my apology and I'll make a huge effort to live up to commitment I made a year and a half ago. 23:27, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Moonflight, I haven't been here long, but I don't think that any inactivity on your part has negatively effected this project. I hope everything is alright with you, and I understand the school thing (I'm in college as well). I personally see no need for you to step down. 23:37, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Moonie, I don't think that you've failed as a leader. You're an amazing user, and you've earned your spot in PC. But, I don't believe that nobody can be angry at you-life's gotta go first, and it's a difficult choice when it comes to choose between two things that are either important, os something you're passionate about. I think that you don't need to step down. 03:58, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Moonflight, it's hard to divide time between the internet and real life, and it isn't your fault that some things came before others. You are a good leader, and a contributive user WWiki is lucky to have. I don't think you should step down. 18:00, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sparrowfeather's Charcat
Sparrowfeather's Charcat needs to be fixed, as I am unsure of how to do this, could someone do it? I do not know if maybe it has something to do with the Charart, but I was just letting you all know. 09:34, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's a coding issue we're well aware of. It's being worked on as we speak. 09:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's fine now, the template has been fixed. 03:53, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ken and Jean - Separate Them?
This article is the only character article that has planned status. I want to see if I can change that. :)

Before I start digging in, I want to see if anyone would like to separate them. I personally believe that we should. I know that they're not major characters, but we've made article for cats without names, so I see no reason why each character shouldn't have their own pages. What do you guys think? Leave your thoughts down below and I'll weigh both sides and possibly create a vote accordingly. :) 15:51, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but didn't we make articles for Sol's Father and Leafstar's Mother simply because they had relevance to their individual plots? With Ken and Jean, the two are only relevant to the plot together, in my opinion. There'd be a lot less to write about them seperately than together, at least in Jean's case. 15:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I always wondered why they weren't separate. I think they should be, because they are different characters. Their individual roles should still be acknowledged, no matter how small. Look at the allegiances-only cats. They have articles of their own, even though we'll probably never see them do anything important in the books, because they're still characters. 17:49, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Runningnose ~ Silver Nomination
I added in Night Whispers...I don't see that much more to add but anywho comments? 21:13, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Expand the section on Forest of Secrets. 01:17, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Expand The Darkest Hour if you can :3 01:18, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Larkpaw ~ Silver Nomination
History's expanded, and there isn't much to add on such a minor character, and I also gave the article bronze status. 16:50, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any supporting quotes that could be added? Nice job. I can't help but notice he/she isn't listed in the Allegiances for TLH. Perhaps it is a mistake. 21:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

There isn't a quote to add that describes the character's personality, and I'm not sure about the allegiances mistake. I don't think it would qualify as trivia...Hmm... 00:54, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 04:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Feature Article Candidate List
I was bored, so I've compiled a list of articles that have been offered as feature articles in the past. I believe that this may shorten discussions as well as create less work for the project. If, for example, the discussion is started later than usually, we can just pick an article off the list and vote on it. I also included a list of articles that need a little tweaking before being heavily considered. I only dug back until February's discussion, so it's not complete, but it's a start. What do you guys think? 20:09, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds good. Thanks, Moon! This will be easier than just browsing through articles. 20:17, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

This will be much easier to use. Thank for making it! 00:23, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea, Moon. This will make life a lot more easier<3 20:37, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Moonflight, this'll save a lot of time! :) 00:31, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, Moon. This is going to be very useful in the future. 01:17, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Burr - Silver Nomination
I don't think he should have quotes due his character being subjected to those who are playing the game... Somewhat hard to write about his character so pardon the choppiness of the writing. Any suggestions are welcome. 23:10, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Does he say anything? 01:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

No he doesn't. He's being played by players...He doesn't really say anything specificly. 01:22, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, then I guess he looks good to me :3 01:26, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 04:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Brook's Quotes.
Do ya think maybe we should add a quote for Brook in Sunset? Just curious because all Brook's quotes at the moment come from PO3 and OOTS. 07:50, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

If there are any good quotes from TNP, feel free to add them; just make sure they describe her well. 19:36, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think it doesn't matter where the quotes come from. If they describe her, they should be added in. I could only find good ones from the later books. 19:45, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye out, too. 20:25, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

I found this one, I thought it described part of her, a cat who is willing to do anything to help,

"Whatever they have done, I want to help. I have seen this kind of savagery before from Sharptooth, remember?"

Sunset, Page 8 05:50, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Senior warriors and citing ranks
Wow I completely forgot to bring this up. xD Anyways, so I was discussing with Teldy about this a bit, and she said to bring up an actual discussion about it. I was editing a bit the other day and noticed a couple of characters who were in the senior warrior category, though I have no memory of them ever being mentioned. As it's a category, I can't add a cite tag to it, and even if I could, nobody could cite it to prove they are one. So I was thinking perhaps we could list them in the charcats like any other rank, and cite where it specifically says they're a senior warrior. But then we also couldn't cite those and not the other ranks, as it'd be inconsistent. So maybe we should just cite all ranks in the charcat? It'd be helpful with more than just the senior warriors too, for instance, characters like Pad, who's in the manga only which I know a lot of people have never read, is listed as a Loner, Kittypet, and Kit. However he's only a kit, and he was only in one book. So how do we know it's real unless you can read the book yourself? Am I rambling?

Anyways, so what do you guys think? Should we add the Senior Warrior rank to the charcat, and/or cite ranks? 08:54, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be hard to cite where a character is mentioned as a SW, but it wouldn't be impossible to find. I'm not against the idea. 15:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I also think it'd be a good idea to cite the other ranks (like kit, elder, etc.). 15:50, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it would be hard to find the cites, but in a way, that's kinda the point. So few SWs are mentioned in the series, and yet there's so many in the category. If it's hard to cite, a lot may be taken out due to lack of cite, which is the point. 00:45, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

That's true. I agree with this idea. 13:11, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Paleh. I don't remember some of the cats in that category being called SWs... 01:15, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree we should cite the ranks. However, I don't know about adding the SW. In fact, I might put up an AfD for that category just because it will always remain incomplete. We basically know all of the SWs in ThunderClan since that's where the point of view is coming from. But we have not the faintest clue who's SW in the other Clans. I mean, yes, there's the ones who are older cats than some of the newer ones, but we still don't know for sure if they are SWs. Then there are the middle group where they've been alive a couple of books, yet they're not as old as others, and we really don't know. 01:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Pine ~ Distant Ancestors
Okay, if Pine's distant ancestors are Cloudstar, Birdflight and Spottedpelt, wouldn't that mean another of his distant ancestors woulld be Gorseclaw? Since Gorseclaw is Spottedpelt's brother and Cloudstar and Birdflight's son? 03:04, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

He's already listed. Just not in the same place. You don't have to ask, if you know he's family, just change it. 06:50, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ivytail (RC) - Silver Nomination
She is never seen alive, so all I could do was add a couple quotes. 17:27, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Could you add more detail about how the sickness spread, maybe? 01:24, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I think I may be wrong, but didn't Leafpool think or say something about Ivytail when she was being carried out? I think I'm wrong xD 20:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can check. xD 15:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi c: I'd like to join the project. I've read all the books and own them all. Spark ♥  11:43 am 26 Apr 2012

I would like to join. I have read most of the books with a library near me.Mail18 18:14, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hello, may I please join?TheBoss2 11:30, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'll add you three in. Please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if you have any questions. Welcome! 00:39, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky's Facebook in Template:R
Hi all, I updated the reference template to add in a link for Vicky's Facebook. The syntax is thus:

For example,

gives us:

I suppose we should fill in a screenshot of the relevant topic from Vicky's Facebook in the link. Ask if there are any queries. Kind regards, 12:59, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal withdrawn. It seems that parameters don't accept the links we need as input. Rather strange. I'll ask Helix, and if he can suggest another way, then I suppose I'll try it, but otherwise, proposal withdrawn. 10:28, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

May I join?
Hey. I own every book, and Ive contributed quite a few times via chat and myself. Just wonderin if I can join?

-bramblestar23

Of course, please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if you have any questions. Welcome. 00:59, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

I owe you guys an explanation/warning....
I'm having computer problems. Graphics card is dying. We have to order a new one off Amazon. Even after we can get it shipped here, it'll have to be put in by someone who knows what they're doing, and that isn't me. The card isn't in horrible shape; I can use the computer, but not without waiting for the next crash. Goes without saying that isn't fun. Anyway, my point in bothering you with this information is because, seeing as I have very limited time on the computer, I won't be able to put up any nominations until it gets fixed. I mean, I'll still be commenting on other nominations, but with my PC in this condition, there's no way I'll have the time on it to put the effort into articles I usually like to. I'll get it fixed before it's been a month, but there's no clear way for me to tell how long this is going to take beyond that.

In a nutshell, I won't be putting up nominations until I get a new graphics card in this thing, but I will be around. Well, that's all I have to say, so... :P 22:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Whispering Breeze ~ Silver Nomination
Working on fixing her article up now. Comments? She's not really a very major Ancient... 01:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Could you possibly reword the second paragraph in SotM? Her article looks great. 20:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Chez. 20:35, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

The Warriors App in Template:R
The reference template seems to have become a personal project....o.o

Anyway, the code is like this:

giving

Regards, 09:45, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Lightning! This will be easier to use! 8D 16:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Shy Fawn ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded Long Shadows as much as possible, and SotM looks pretty good to me. I'll see if I can find a quote or two for her. Comments? 16:25, April 6, 2012 (UTC)