Warriors Wiki talk:World

Gathering
Thought I should bring this up. The article looks honestly very confusing to use (and base off) and it's really confusing to edit. I've been working on it for a few days yet I can't seem to grasp the basics, for example, not all moons and seasons are mentioned in the Gatherings. Is there anyway we can simplify this? 18:57, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also we kind of need a guideline on how much history an article neds, such as ThunderClan or ShadowClan. Basically it seems like that on some articles, the entire book is used as a summary, yet on others there's hardly anything. We should come up with a basic guideline on how these articles should be formatted, and what should be used.

-Just as a suggestion, but the list of gatherings might be a bit more organized and easy to use if it's like the structure of the Events Timeline? I dunno, I think it would be... 00:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Any other commnets/suggestions/ideas? 16:01 Sun Jan 31

No, I do like your suggestions. 03:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any other comments before I go an make the table for the Gatherings?

The one thing that I don't really know what to do about, though, is SkyClan... I'm thinking perhaps an entirely different table could be made for them, and put under the table listing the gatherings for the original 4 clans? 22:48 Fri Feb 19

Maybe ... If you're talking about SkyClan's only Gathering, then yes they should probably have their own template, but if you're talking about ancient SkyClan they go with everyone else. 12:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can we get some more commernts on this? 01:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that a table would be easier to use, but may I suggest holding off on SkyClan for a little? There's a chance that with Hawkwing's Journey, and the 6th arc that SkyClan may merge with the other Clans. I don't think we should make a table for SkyClan, only for them to merge and it would be pretty much useless.

Maybe ... does anyone want to try to draft up to let Maple draft up the table (when she comes back ofc) with the remaining suggestions? 02:05, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

So Spooky how do you think the SkyClan gatherings should be shown? Now that I think about it, it would be interesting if they were put on the same table with the regular Clans, just noted to be at their own seperate Gathering, because I actually would be curious to see when a SkyClan gathering takes place compared to the other Clan Gatherings.

Also, I'll try to start the table draft tomorrow, but if anybody else wants to start, they can do it here. 05:49 Wed Mar 30

I was thinking we'd have some type of separate column, so we could see side by side how the Gatherings compare. Idk to include some of the ones in the Field Guides though... Some have context clues for placing and some are just random...

I think I get what you're saying, but that might look a bit messy with a SkyClan gathering block sticking out every here and there. Keep in mind, there were few SkyClan gatherings that the reader actually saw, so I'm not sure if it deserves its own section. Why don't I make a draft of what I am imagining the table to look like, then you can describe where you think it should go? Because I might be understanding you wrong. 01:59 Sat Apr 2

Okay, so you can now see the draft on the subpage. I'll link it again: User:Mapleclaw/Gathering sandbox. Imo, it would be too cluttered for all of the Clans to each get a section, but that's just my opinion. Also, you guys can feel free to try out an idea you have yourself, just please copy another table and put it with the changes beneath, so that the original shows, that way it would be easier to see the changes. Anyways, I'd really appreciate some opinions/comments. 03:20 Sat Apr 2

Hmm, I think it's really important to list what each Clan says. I think we should just have a template similar to Erin Hunter Answers Your Questions Fall 2010 and that. It goes in order of who speaks first and that, instead of just ThunderClan first then etc etc.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:24, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's pretty much what the template is like right now, and I think that was what Icy meant when she said it was confusing and hard to use... At least imo, it looks kind of cluttered and unorganized like that... Unless you meant that in my draft it should have all the Clans listed per gathering. I just had one or two Clans per Gathering because I felt too lazy to put them all in. 23:40 Sun Apr 3

Events Timeline
Okay so I was looking at this page, and it's really unorderly and needs lots of cites, but also, the years before Rusty entered the forest are missing some years (such as 2, 3, 5) and that seems kind of confusing. Also, with the novellas that seem to constantly go farther back into Warrior's history, if the events in say Mapleshade's Revenge (I think that's the earliest novella, right?) are to be added, then all of the years after that would need to have their number changed and it would just be confusing. I think it might be a better idea just to start with Rusty putting his first paw into the forest as year 0, then anything before that would be "___ Years BF" (before Firestar :P). Or just 'Year -1' or something. (Although really, I don't think that we know for sure how many years passed between sections of BP and ITW...)

Also, the Early Settlers should definitely have a timeline, because they got a whole series to themselves, and were really important. But since it would just make the page even more messy to add them in, I'm thinking that it would be a good idea just to make an Early Settler Timeline by itself.

Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions? 15:26, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking the same sorts of things. Honestly, I cannot tell when Goosefeather's Curse is, or maybe even when Bluestar was born. 06:33, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, the book order should be as follows, given the context within each book. (not counting prologues and graphic novels):
 * The Sun Trail, Thunder Rising, The First Battle, The Blazing Star, A Forest Divided, Path of Stars, and Moth Flight's Vision
 * Cloudstar's Journey
 * Mapleshade's Vengeance
 * Goosefeather's Curse
 * Tallstar's Revenge, Yellowfang's Secret, Crookedstar's Promise, and Bluestar's Prophecy (all of these take place around the same time, but events within the book and context clues place them in this order)
 * Into the Wild, Fire and Ice, and Forest of Secrets
 * Tigerclaw's Fury, The Elders' Concern, and Rising Storm (all happens within the same range of time)
 * A Dangerous Path and The Darkest Hour
 * Firestar's Quest and SkyClan's Desitiny
 * Midnight, Moonrise, Dawn, Starlight, and Twilight
 * Leafpool's Wish
 * Sunset
 * After Sunset: We Need to Talk
 * The Sight, Dark River, Outcast, Eclipse, Long Shadows, and Sunrise'''
 * Hollyleaf's Story (starts after Hollyleaf runs away in Sunrise, and then leads up to The Forgotten Warrior)
 * The Fourth Apprentice
 * Mistystar's Omen and Fading Echoes
 * Night Whispers, Sign of the Moon, The Forgotten Warrior, and The Last Hope
 * Dovewing's Silence
 * Bramblestar's Storm
 * The Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow

I can't place Ravenpaw's Farewell in the list yet, since I really am unsure where it goes. I'll need to check the book once it comes out.

If I may pop in and add the mangas to your list. I have an excel document where I have done my best to map out the events throughout the Warriors series, though it's very long and I'm not sure how it would translate to a wikia page. I'd would like to partner up with someone to fill out the Events Timeline page, though I'd need to learn the page's coding (that table you have there) and discuess which filler stuff I need to cut out of my timeline. ThirteenthStar (talk) 09:05, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Rise of Scourge starts in Bluestar's Prophecy and ends at A Dangerous Path/The Darkest Hour
 * The Sasha and Tigerstar arc begins in A Dangerous Path and ends during Firestar's Quest
 * Ravenpaw's arc begins soon after Firestar's Quest but I'm not sure when it ends (I only have the first book :P)
 * I think Graystripe's arc takes place in Dawn/Starlight and of course ends in The Sight.
 * SkyClan's arc starts in Twilight/Sunset and I do not know when it ends. (Again, I only own the first book.)

I'll make a page called 'Early Settler Timeline' then, for events from The Sun Trail-Moth Flight's Vision, unless anyone disagrees? 23:11 Sun Jan 24

I disagree. I don't think we need a timeline for that because it fits right in with Events Timeline. If we need a differnet timeline we might as well make timelines for each series. 01:30, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

But it doesn't really fit in; it's an entirely different chain of events. We have no clue how much time passed between Moth Flight's death and Goosefeather's birth. Into the Wild- the Last Hope all are in order, and we know how many moons and years passed between each consecutive book, even if they are different series. 01:49 Wed Jan 27

Why not just organize and number the years into 'eras'. Example: We'd begin with the Dawn of the Clans era. The first year (Basically just The Sun Trail) would be labelled DotC Year 1 or something then continue until Moth Flight's Vision. After that would be the "Scattered Years" era. Which is Code of the Clans to Goosefeather's Curse where you can number the years if you want but specify where the years are in an unknown order. Then you get into all the books we have an order for. ThirteenthStar (talk) 02:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oops thought I responded to this a while ago. The thing is, if DoTC events come first, the main series will be pushed to the back, and I think it would be a bit too long of page. If others still think that all the events should be in one page, though, I think a good way to make it more organized and easy-to-use could be to make those pop-up table things (like in the Ceremonies or Leader Information boxes). Thoughts/other opinions/comments?

Also, what are the thoughts on making, Into the Wild Year 1, and all years before that "Year -1", or "1 YBF" or something like that? 23:10 Sat Jan 30

Could I have some thoughts on this please? 20:07 Sat Feb 13

I think that Into the Wild should be regarded as year 1 (YBF), the start of the Warriors prophecy, while DOTC could be provided as years during the prequel series. It doesn't make sense, but just realize that DOTC is a prequel, and is not apart of the first, second, third, or fourth series. Just like how there's a prequel for a movie. 03:39, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

I guess. Unless there are any objections then, I'll change the years for the current timeline... I don't know when the Early Settler timeline would start though, because I have no clue (is it even ever revealed?) how much time passed between when like when the ancients left the lake, and when the cats journeyed out on the Sun Trail. If the same format is followed, I think it might make sense to have The Sun Trail be Year 0, and all years before that be, 'x YBST' or something. 22:42 Fri Feb 19

I went and changed the titles of the years, tell me if you think something about it should be changed. 22:56 Mon Feb 22

Okay so what about the Early Settlers timeline? I forgot a lot of it, so if someone wouldn't mind refreshing my memory, but is the time between when Jay's Wing told the cats to leave the Lake, and the journey to follow the Sun Trail, known? 21:13 Tue Mar 15

Well, it wasn't really revealed but I'd say we could make a pretty accurate guess. Lion's Roar had been born shortly before Jayfeather had to leave the mountain cats, and Half Moon was still alive and everything. Plus, we know when she died due to the bonus scene featuring Sun Shadow. Idk if it's good to guess on something like a timeline though.

Yeah, I mean it is and assumption. Kate or Vicky could always be asked, of course, but without them saying exactly how much time passed, it shouldn't be guessed. In that case, unless someone with a BlogClan/facebook account would be willing to ask, I'll add the Early Settlers section to the Timeline, and have year 0 of that era be the journey to the sun trail. <span style="">21:56 Wed Mar 16

I actually think we can get it done if we at least count the moons together due to the seasons and stuff. How about we look back at those books? I know that Jayfeather went back in time, and it was leafbare, I think? A few days definitely passed during his time, so Lion's Roar must've been approximately 1 day when he left, or two at the most. If I go back in The Sun Trail, I'm sure we can make an estimate of how long the cats have been on the mountain, and if you count Gray Wing's age and go to the bonus scene, we can count how long Half Moon had been there before she died. 00:33, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Who's ready for some MATH?

Let's get straight to it.

Let's calculate Jayfeather's age. He's born in Leafpool's Wish, and he stays at the hollow tree for what ... half a moon? It's late leaf-bare, because the snow thaws at the end. However it's still snowing. In The Sight it's winter as well which actually means these three were apprenticed way too early. Jaypaw is apprenticed in leaf-bare, and at the end of The Sight, it's newleaf. In Dark River, it's newleaf. It continues where The Sight left off. Jaypaw is now 2 years old at Sunrise, and if you subtract the winter and fall, he's around 1 and 9 months when ''Long Shadows' occurs.

In Long Shadows, Fallen Leaves had been gone for a month when Jaypaw become a Sharpclaw. It's greenleaf when Jay Wing arrives, and when they get to the mountains, it's leaf-bare. I'd calculate that it was about late greenleaf when the Ancients left, so maybe August or September? I'd like to think Fallen Leaves disappeared during July. I think it's leaf-bare when the cats come to the mountains because Dark Whiskers got blown off by an ice storm, so what I want to think is that they left in late September, and arrived in August. Now we know that's not how long it took Lionblaze and the others to travel to the mountains, but keep in mind this was a small group who probably didn't know where they were going. It's later confirmed that it is leaf-bare, so I still stick to my decision that it's December. Lion's Roar is born then.

So let's count how many days Jay's Wing is there. I think it' December because obviously the mountains are full of snow, and I think it's near leaf-bare. So I think it's obviously near December 21st (for winter, keep in mind this is a ROUGH calculation and I'm failing math, and it's never confirmed what month it is anyways).

So let's start at 21st. Jay's Wing arrives there at December 21st, and stays the day. He then goes to sleep, so when he wakes up, it's December 22nd. Lion's Roar is born on that day. Lion's Roar is one day old when Jay's Wing left, so he was born in leaf-bare (for my calculations I guesS).

In the prologue for The Sun Trail, it's leafbare. Half Moon says she's lived for three times as long in the mountains than she has in the lake. So, she was 1 year old in the lake (because she's a softpaw). That means she's three years old. Makes no sense, right? Lion's Roar seems old, so he must be 2 years. I have no idea why these cats are referred to as "ancient" when they're really young, so guys, if I made an error, please point that out.

Also in the The Sun Trail, it's winter, and Gray Wing talks about how in summer he was still a kit. Now, leaf fall has passed, so that's three months - assuming that when you stop being a kit you're six months. That makes Gray Wing nine months old during the beginning. I want to say it's January at the beginning of the Sun Trail because that's when snow is the hardest, so we're going for three moons each season here.

When they reach their new territories it's "the warm season", so it's newleaf. They were traveling for three months give or take, because it's stated that it's early. Then during the end, the cold season is coming. Leaf-fall, maybe? Because it's just pricks of cold air, so we're going for 6 months after they reach the new territories. When Jagged Peak comes back, it's winter for sure, so it's three months after, meaning they've been in the territories for nine months. Also, Thunder comes back in the cold season, so I think it's January again, making Gray Wing 18 months, so over a year.

In Thunder Rising the cold season is coming to an end, so late March, three moons after January. Thunder is 3 moons old now. Okay, so when Wind Runner and Gorse Fur come, Thunder is still there, and they had been saying it were three moons since they asked them to join. That'd make Thunder 6 moons by now. Then, after Turtle Tail's kits are born, he's seven moons. So Thunder joins Clear Sky's group for two moons, making him 9 moons. He leaves about half a moon later, making him 9 and a half.

My knowledge here is that several = seven. That means 7 moons passed since the fire, and Thunder was about .. 6 moons. 7 moons passed, he's 13 now. Now it's leaf-bare in The First Battle, when it was summer and newleaf in Thunder Rising. Now let's see if our math adds up. 3 + 3 + 3 = 9, so yes, Thunder is 9 when he leaves. In The First Battle, it says several moons have passed, so 7 have passed since the fire. That means Thunder has lived on the moor for 6 months again, so when he left it was leaf-fall, so it's leaf-fall again. Gray Wing is 42 moons (give or take), so 3 years is what I'm going to bet. The cats have been at the territory for less than three years, so I'm giving it that they were there for two and a half years now. Then it becomes warm season, so 3 months after. That gives Thunder a 16 month span. So The First Battle ends at newleaf.

Now let's give Half Moon a look back. 3 years when she came, 2 years during the forest. That'd make her 5 years, but I'm counting this as an error because Half Moon is definitely much older than that. It's leaf-fall in The Blazing Star, so 14 months after The Great Battle. Thunder is 30 months. Gray Wing is now 4 years. Okay, so it's greenleaf when One Eye comes around. That'd be 9 months after new-leaf. Thunder is 39 months. Gray Wing is five years. When One Eye is ambushed, it's leaf-bare. 6 months after One Eye has arrived. Gray Wing is close to 6 years. Thunder is 3 years.

Let's move on to A Forest Divided. It's leaf-bare so it continues straight off The Blazing Star. Clear Sky states that "only a few moons ago, he and Thunder came close". I think that was around The Blazing Star, so that doesn't really count now. Okay, so it's still leaf-bare when these guys move around to new territories. It's leaf-bare throughout this entire book, but it's still close to newleaf.

It's a year after A Forest Divided, because we're back to leaf-bare again in Path of Stars. Gray Wing is now close to 7 years. Thunder is now near 4 years. Gray Wing dies at 7 years.

In Moth Flight's Vision, two months passed after Gray Wing died. It must be close to newleaf by now. my eyes sting from writing this Let's use Moth Flight's age now. We can add Gray Wing to it later. Moth Flight is almost a year when newleaf comes because she says it is her first newleaf, so let's say she was born in greenleaf. That makes her 9 months old when newleaf rolls around. A year after, Moth Flight finds the Moonstone, so she's 2 years now. At the end of the book, it's "a few moons until leaf-bare", so it must be around fall. That makes Mothflight around almost 4 years. So we take 7 + 4, and that's 11 years. The Clans have been there for about 11 years but keep in mind you must minus nine months.

Once again, I have an F in math. I got a 5/26 on my last quiz. I have a 41% in math. I may not be right. I may be extremely off, but I did try hard and I hope I'm at least a little bit correct. If someone wants to check this over and correct it themselves, feel free to do so. But this is just my observation, on how long the timeline should be. 01:35, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

I actually think all of that is correct except for maybe... I vaguely remember Brook telling her kits they had to be eight moons old to leave the cave, so if that's true it would shift everything 2 moons forward.

Well, remember that that was way after the early settlers, and I don't know if it's about leaving the cave, just stop being a kit. I'm not sure about that, but even then ... you do bring up a valid point so I'm not so sure. 16:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Does anyone want to disagree with my timeline? 02:06, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Wow Icy I am really impressed with how you managed to do all that math and stuff. I'll look at this ASAP tomorrow for mistakes. <span style="">05:38 Wed Mar 30

My brain hurts and I've only looked at a fraction of this... I still have no clue how you kept track of all of that. Anyways, first why do you think that the Ancients left in late greenleaf? Also, for your halfmoon age, she said she lived three times as many moons in the mountains as by the lake, so she might be getting really specific here. But she would actually be 4 years old, because she lived a year in the lake, so 3 years in the mountains, which adds up to 4 years actually, not 3. But are all softpaws a year old? Or can they be older? For example if Half Moon was 15 moons old when she left, instead of 12, then that would add an extra year and make her 5 years old, since 15x4=60. Also, her age in travelling to the mountains should also be accounted, because that adds an extra 4ish months that she lived total. Still though, you're right, because even if she's 5.5 years old, that's not ancient. It could end up being a mistake on the editor's part; they might have just meant 3 times as many moons as an estimate and not literally, or they probably didn't know that that would actually make Half Moon turn out not to be quite old. Or idk, is 5.5 months old? <span style="">02:21 Thu Mar 31

Several hints in the book. "The cold season is coming", aka leaf-fall, "the cold winds of the air," "I can already feel the cold winds", "the warm season is coming to an end." I'm comparing softpaws to an apprentices, who become warriors when they are a year. I did take in traveling into her age, because I assumed she was one year old when leaving and ended up into the mountains. So she lived a year in the mountains, traveled to the mountains, but still was a year. She states she lived three times as long as she did in the mountains, and well ... 1 x 3 is 3. That's swhy I said three months. 02:43, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Well if she lived in the lake for one year, and lived in the mountains three times that, she would have lived in the mountains 3 years and the lake 1 year, making her 4 years old. But there were some apprentices that became warriors at much older than 1 year old, and softpaws might have been sharpclaws at a slightly older age than apprentcies became warriors... I think its assuming to say that she was a year old when she left the lake, particularly considering that it doesn't add up to her being old. What does everyone else other than me and Icy think? <span style="">03:35 Thu Mar 31

I want to point out something about A Forest Divided and Path of Stars. POS does not take place one year after AFD. It's the same leaf bare...AFD was early leafbare, and POS was the rest of it, basically. I never found any implication of it being an entire year. Let's use some cats for examples. Dew Nose, Storm Pelt, and Eagle Feather are apprentice age by POS, which makes sense. They'd be a lot older if it were a year. Star Flower would have given birth to her kits by the beginning of POS if this were the case. It just doesn't add up. Sorry if that seemed a bit rude, just pointing it out. Jaysnow (talk) 03:48, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Idk how you guys figured all that out, but you're in the ballpark. I sorta think Maple's a little more accurate, but I'm tired so I'll look closer later.

Look, I understand that I made mistakes, and I myself think that it's a year after due to the implements. It doesn't matter about apprentice age because apprentices didn't exist back then. And Maple, I do agree with you. Does that mean we shift everything forward a year, or just leave it as that? 18:11, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, PoS takes place right after AFD, since Star Flower couldn't have been stolen for a year.

As for Half Moon's age, I guess we can just say that it was approx. 3 years between when the cats left the mountain and when they arrived in the mountains. We can go into the details of that later, I think. <span style="">23:24 Thu Mar 31

The Apprentice's Quest
So basically yeah while we're talking about other events I'll bring this up too; the quest that Alderpaw went on really deserves a page imo, since it is what the book is named after, it is what the prophecy was about I think, it resulted in the death of Sandstorm, Violetkit and Twigkit coming to the lake, etc. Comments? <span style="">01:22 Thu Mar 31

Indeed, it does deserve its own article if the journey to the mountains and to find Sol gets one. 01:27, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

...Actually, the journey to the mountains didn't get a page. I had brought it up a while ago, but you were the only one who commented on it so it didn't get one. I still think that it deserves a page too though. <span style="">01:40 Thu Mar 31

Wait, the journey to the mountains (Crowfeather, Lionpaw, Jaypaw, etc) didn't get a page? o.O Well it definitely should. This should get one too. 02:03, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

The Journey to the Mountains in POT definitely deserves it's own page, as well as Alderpaw's quest. They were both fairly important. Jaysnow (talk) 02:51, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Guys. Journey to Find Sol. It's a page already. Mind you, the TAQ Journey does need a page.

Wait which one are you guys talking about? The one to find Sol or the one with Crowfeather and Breezepaw?

No, we're talking about the journey to the mountains in Outcast. Icy, I remember that earlier on you were saying that you thought it shouldn't get a page, but just checking, you do agree now? Anyways, I think that 4 people is enough to have a page made, since this is almost all of the active contributors for PW, so should I go ahead and make these pages? <span style="">22:42 Thu Mar 31

I literally have no recall of disagreeing, and if I did, well I was plain out wrong. Yes, I agree that they should have a page for the journey to the mountains, and The Apprentice's Quest, The Great Storm, and the Great Hunger. However, should they all be formatted journey wise? And Maple, I can help you create some of the pages if you'd like or if you're stressed out making all of them yourself. 22:44, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess you're right, it might be a good idea titles first. I think maybe we should wait a little bit longer for those other ones, because only you, me, and Spooky commented on them (and I was undecided for tGH). For TAQ maybe the sections should be (and feel free to give suggestions for the titles):

The prophecy (omen?)

The choosing of cats to go on the journey

the journey (needlepaw's coming would be included here i think)

sandstorm's death

arriving in skyclan

alderpaw meeting mistfeather

leaving skyclan, alder and needle getting seperated

finding the kits, returning to tc, giving violetkit to sc

If you think any should be combined into one, just tell me. I'll get the mountains one up right now. <span style="">23:13 Thu Mar 31

For the journey to the mountains:

the tribe cats coming

choosing the cats to go on the journey

meeting purdy? (idk if this deserves a seperate section)

coming to the mountains, and encountering intruders on way up

decision to add boundaries, training the tribe cats

the battle

Again, feel free to give suggestions. <span style="">23:18 Thu Mar 31

How about,

The Omen

Deciding Who Goes

The Journey And The Uninvited Guest

Sandstorm's Death

Is This Really SkyClan?

Meeting the SkyClan Warrior

Being Forced to Leave

Separated

Twigkit and Violetkit

Coming Home

for TAQ, and the mountains

Asking For Help

The Original Cats And The Apprentices

An Old Friend

At The Mountains

The Intruders

Boundaries and Training

The Battle

23:28, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I like these, but may I suggest In the Shadows instead of Twigkit and Violetkit? Idk all of them are good I just wanted to suggest.

I actually think that 'The Lost Kits' would be better. Also, for the mountains one, I don't think that the intruders should get a separate section, because that appearance was very brief and it occurred as they entered the mountains. <span style="">01:57 Sat Apr 2

Well it was a big part, finding them and realized the Tribe wasn't joking when they said the cats were stealing their prey. 05:17, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe, I guess the intruders can get a section. But for the 'finding the kits' section for TAQ, is the title going to be 'Twigkit and Violetkit', 'In the Shadows' or 'The Lost Kits'? <span style="">04:41 Sun Apr 3

There is a few journey to the mountains, the ancient one, one is power of three and one in Omen of the stars. I think they'll get the brackets thing to make them different. Anyway, yes this should get a page but it has been called by different names too. I think it's been referred to as Alderpaw's Quest/Alderpaw's Journey (gotta find the cite) and if we go by our usual naming, it would be called the Journey to find SkyClan (VoS) or Journey to what you find in the shadows or something.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:24, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

'Journey to find SkyClan (AVOS)' sounds good to me. Jaysnow (talk) 20:55, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Let's do it "Journey to Find The Shadows," or something like that. I'd suggest "Journey to Find SkyClan" but I think we already have a page for that. Yeah should we even have a page for the journey in ''Sign of the Moon'? 17:38, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

For Alderpaw's quest, it was never used as a title, and the words 'Alderpaw's Journey' were never used in the book. (I just did a search) I like 'Journey to Find SkyClan (VoS)' better, but 'Journey to Find What is in the Shadows' also is fine by me. Also, what about the heading title for the kits' section? <span style="">18:25 Sun Apr 3

I personally think 'Journey to Find What is in the Shadows' is too long... even though it fits well. But then, they were trying  to find SkyClan, but it wasn't really SkyClan(minus Mistfeather) so... I'd go with the SkyClan title. I also agree to the journey in SoTM to get a page. ^^

Wow I've never seen the PW page so active. Yeah, I think (TAQ) and (SOTM) (or (VOS) or (OOTS) sounds fine to me. 00:56, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I think (TAQ) is better, because I'll bet there will be more journeys to find SkyClan is the VoS arc. and what about the heading title for the kits? <span style="">01:39 Mon Apr 4

But I do think that the Journey to the Mountains should be (PoT), because it took a bit of time in Eclipse for them to get back to the Clans, so it wasn't in just Outcast. <span style="">01:41 Mon Apr 4

Let's do In the Shadows for Twigkit and Violetkit. 02:22, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I like Into the Shadows as a title, but for the main name of the article I think it should be (AVoS) or (TAQ) personally. Also, for the other journey I'd prefer (OoTS) or (SoTM), just a difference in caps I guess.

Okay, so any last comments before the pages for "Journey to Find SkyClan (TAQ)" and "Journey to the Mountains (PoT)" are made? God I can't wait to archive this already <span style="">23:38 Mon Apr 4

Events
Alrighty more events, just bare with me (not like we are talking about events enough) I'd thought I'd bring up this conversation from last year since it was agreed between just me and Ducksplash.

So first (I think this is already being discussed above already somewhere) there are several Journey to the Mountains. I suggest just giving them all the brackets naming like with characters, like the ancient one where the ancients move to the mountains (ancient), the one in power of three (po3) and the one in omen of the stars (ots).

There is Leafpool's and Crowfeather's Journey where they run away in Twilight and meet up with Midnight and return back, The Journey to find Sparrow that takes place in Tallstar's Revenge and the major battles listed on the Battles page because, well, their major. Right now it's only the TigerClan vs WindClan that needs a page. The last suggestion on that page is the battle against the rats (well there was kinda two actually) in Firestar's Quest. We could just a do a redirect link to the Journey to Find SkyClan, since it features that battle in it's own little section.

From the top of my head, I'd say other events I'd suggest is SkyClan's journey to the gorge, started in Cloudstar's Journey and glimpses of it shown every now and again in Firestar's Quest. I'll bring up more if I remember any else.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:47, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

groans More journeys? jk jk Imo the Crowfeather and Leafpool one was way too short for an article, it was 3 days tops, I mean... The idea with the mountains is good; as there's really no point to scrabble around for titles when we could just bracket them. I think the journey for Sparrow needs and article, as it is a pretty big event. I don't know if there's enough info for an article on the CJ journey, so I'm neutral on that one.

Well, it was a pretty significant in SkyClan history, and we have pretty good snippets of that journey but not really much.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:27, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Gosh I had no idea that such a page existed, thanks for pointing it out. I'm just going to ask, though, that we keep our ideas about events for a few days, because there is a lot being discussed and the project page's length is overwhelming me. I plan on making the pages in a few days, I just want to wait to see if there's any last opinions. Although I do find it kind of amusing how once Icy gives one suggestion for an event, there are 10 more following, and there had been none before she suggested it xD

As for your suggestions: I agree with Spooky; the Leafpool and Crowfeather one was quite short, but it could be made so that it is their journey/the badger attack combined, since I don't think that has a page either, and it was significant because it had like... what, 3 deaths? I really forgot the journey to find Sparrow since it's been years since I read TR, but I do seem to remember it being significant. imo, TigerClan vs WindClan isn't that important... it could be added into Battle Against BloddClan. I like the idea of a section for rats for Journey to Find SkyClan also. And literally, as I was reading your post, before raching the bottom I thought of SkyClan's journey to the gorge. I don't know if there is enough information on it, and nothing happens in CJ other than the Gathering itself, but I know that I, myself would be interested to see just a page writing about all of the snipets of memories that Firestar had about the first journey from FQ. <span style="">23:31 Sun Apr 3

I realize this goes literally contradictory to what you just said, but an idea popped in my head. Maybe eventually we could create a Minor Events or Minor Journeys page like PC has Minor Characters? So sorry had to bring it up before I forgot

Hmm, I kinda like the idea, but just what makes something an 'event' if it is minor? I mean, we don't want to be listing 'Bluepaw's first mouse' and 'Firepaw's first vole' and 'Squirrelpaw's first Gathering' etc. because that... that would be too much. I could see it working for things like ThunderClan going to ShadowClan in Dawn though. Why don't you hold that thought until the other event pages are archived, then bring it up in a new section? <span style="">23:44 Sun Apr 3

I actually like this idea. I don't think small events such as first catches should be included, but definitely stuff like ThunderClan going to help ShadowClan and things like that. However I'm left asking myself - is this needed? We have all the information on several articles. Do we really need an entire page about it? (Not insulting your idea, by the way.) 23:47, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

^ ignore that. Give me a moment to gather my thoughts as I'm using a computer at Best Buy right now. 23:49, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I think.

For one, I think it's a good suggestion to have a page full with events. However, how do we define these events? Some may not be important, for example, I don't think Fireheart and Graystripe feeding RiverClan is as important as ThunderClan helping ShadowClan when their camp was falling apart. Honestly I say that the "Events" page should be somewhat short. Major events to be mentioned, but not so major it needs its own page. If anything, it shouldn't be journeys at all, or first prey. Although now I think it's okay where we're at, because we have so much on character articles already. 00:59, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I agree to some point, but I think the article is needed for a select few events like Leafpool's little runaway with Crowfeather, and maybe for Firestar and Graystripe going to fetch WindClan etc. It isn't the events timeline. I think major events shouldn't be mentioned, because if they're big enough they'll have their own pages.

I don't really think those events are needed to have pages, since because Fireheart and Graystripe's journey only took like 2 chapters, and Crowfeather and Leafpool's only took 1, and they were gone for like 3 days. I really don't think they're big enough to have their own pages, and should just settle on their respective character article pages. 18:35, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Journey to Find SkyClan (RF)
Hey, I'm just gonna jump on the bandwagon of discussions here and bring up that journey Ravenpaw made in Ravenpaw's Farewell. It was basically the whole novella and needs an article if the Great Hunger is getting one.

Yes no doubt about it. The naming convention works too.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:27, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

I'm actually going to say that I disagree. Yes, it was very important, no doubt there, but, as you said, it is pretty much the whole novella- I think it would be basically the whole DPS of the book, minus chapter 1 and 2. I just think it would be kind pointless to have practically the same thing written twice. <span style="">23:34 Sun Apr 3

I see what you mean, but is there any way to have a PW article for it? If it's just Ravenpaw's Farewell as a book article, I don't think that's be right as it is significant.

You're right about that ... honestly in this case we might just need to have these two articles. But then again, I think it needs one as well. Maybe we could just reword the entire article and focus more on the journey part, while the RF article focuses on the entire book as a whole? I probably don't make any sense. 23:44, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

May FA
So we're all doing this early now. Let's get on the boat! Maybe we can do Cat? It's long and detailed and kinda important. 23:01, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Cat sounds good; a few citations need to be fixed but other than that it looks good. We haven't had an animal article (since FAs have started again) yet either. <span style="">23:17 Mon Apr 4

I swear all of the Projects are more active then I've ever seen. I like it. Cat will be good for an FA, I'm sorta surprised it hasn't been FA before.

Nah, we gotta fix up Reality. you do realize having cat as a FA means my cat gets to be featured on the main page? I'm going to tell her and she's going to be so happy 23:38, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Lol I promise as soon as my Join Request(probably Maple's too) is accepted we'll put it into maintenance for good!

Yeah, Reality is still pretty much dead quiet without an active lead, but Spooky and I will make everything all messy when we get accepted. If we do. I hope. And Icy that's your cat? :O Oh wow I had no clue :3 And Spooky, it actually just became silver a few months ago, so I guess that's why. I'm going to stop getting off topic now <span style="">23:42 Mon Apr 4

The cites need fixing but I can easily go through and fix them. Other than that, this article is ready.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  23:43, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Yup, that's my cat! Update: She didn't care that she would be featured on the main page. 23:45, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

The Great Sickness
For more discussion see the archive (enough people agreed that a page should be made); the heading titles that have came up were:

Key Mewments

A Bad Cat-titude

Meow-Nificent Recovery

<span style="">00:18 Tue Apr 5