Forum:Deputy, Warrior, Medicine Cat Redo

This forum will consist of a vote on whether we want to redo certain blanks, none, or all.

''I explained the entire thing. Read it.''

Herein lies the vote in which you'll vote for stuff that probably will destroy your life. Don't say I didn't warn you. to decide whether or not to redo three blanks; the warriors, the deputies, and the medicine cats.

Here is the order it lies in.

As you see, there is a redo medicine cat section. If you support it, then put under the supporting section. If you do not support it, put under the against section. Repeat this for the others with your opinion.

I encourage you to vote on all sections. Voting nay on all sections means you don't want any of them to be redone. Voting yes means you want them all redone. Voting no on one section and voting yay on another section means you want one to stay, and one to be redone.

Remember to keep this vote as friendly as possible. Refrain from lashing out on other users and if you have a problem, please take it up with one of the PCA leads or try to work it among yourselves. Remember that community consensus is key.

Voting will end on January 5th. 02:16, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

ADMIN NOTE: This message was edited to remove unnecessary joking. This is a formal vote and should be serious.

Support

 * 02:19, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * The current blank does not, in anyway, represent medicine cats. Instead, they represent "warriors that do healing duties", which is not true. Thus, the pose could possibly mislead some users.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:19, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * They are not "warriors that heal".
 * They should have a different pose from the warriors. 2:40 Sat Dec 26
 * 02:57, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 03:33 Sat Dec 26
 * Hi I've been lurking around this wiki for ages and I've always thought of these blanks to look too similar. Also, I think they look like dogs, not cats. Sorry if this sounds rude. .incandescentflame (talk) 03:43, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * the only blanks I support redoing. 05:11, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * the cats look like DOGS! --coffeelover
 * They should definitely be differentiated from warriors. ThirteenthStar (talk) 08:10, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 09:24, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 13:22, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 13:30, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know I went on about not redoing warriors - but the meddie cat redos are legitimate. 14:14, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * — ☆ ｐａｐｅｒ  ·  ｆｉｎｃｈｅｓ  ★  16:02, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * medicine cats are not warriors in any way. Simple as that. 00:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * i support this!
 * 13:44 Sun Dec 27
 * --Dewsplash (talk) 23:12, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * now that i think about it, its not that big of a deal... 02:43, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ej819 (talk) 02:48, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I Am Dorito (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think they look more like dogs than cats. Mayahzdog09
 * I will agree on this one, purely for the fact that medicine cats and warriors/deputies are two very different ranks. It is a bittersweet decision although because there are many very gorgeous images out there. I apologize if my vote does not count. Starlingfur (talk) 08:02, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * 08:41, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * -Brackenfur
 * I think they look more like dogs than cats. Mayahzdog09
 * I will agree on this one, purely for the fact that medicine cats and warriors/deputies are two very different ranks. It is a bittersweet decision although because there are many very gorgeous images out there. I apologize if my vote does not count. Starlingfur (talk) 08:02, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * 08:41, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * -Brackenfur

Against

 * 02:16, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

03:20, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 03:27 Sat Dec 26
 * 03:29, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 06:34, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 15:25, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 21:36, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 02:40, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * An excessive amount of images to redo- this is literally a work overload. 10:33, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not know if my vote counts but I think that every single one of these pixels looks great. Sunstep (talk) 02:12, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 02:19, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Anatomy issues.
 * 2:41 Sat Dec 26
 * 02:57, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 03:33 Sat Dec 26
 * I've written my reasons above. .incandescentflame (talk) 03:44, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * the cats look like DOGS! --coffeelover
 * ThirteenthStar (talk) 08:10, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 09:24, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * — ☆ ｐａｐｅｒ  ·  ｆｉｎｃｈｅｓ  ★  16:03, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * to me, they don't seem like cats anymore. 00:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * this too!
 * I've been pondering about this, and interviewed my family, my friends, etc. how they felt about the blanks. Most of them couldn't tell they were cats. For this, I believe the blanks do need some form of tweaking. If the audience of the wiki find some sort of problem with the blanks, up to the point where they can't tell that they're cats, then... Something has to be done about it, regardless of the workload.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:35, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Major anatomy issues. Even before I began doing charart here, I noticed how...off not trying to be rude the anatomy is. It's more canine than feline and the joints are placed and bent at awkward angles. 13:48 Sun Dec 27
 * I've been pondering about this, and interviewed my family, my friends, etc. how they felt about the blanks. Most of them couldn't tell they were cats. For this, I believe the blanks do need some form of tweaking. If the audience of the wiki find some sort of problem with the blanks, up to the point where they can't tell that they're cats, then... Something has to be done about it, regardless of the workload.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:35, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Major anatomy issues. Even before I began doing charart here, I noticed how...off not trying to be rude the anatomy is. It's more canine than feline and the joints are placed and bent at awkward angles. 13:48 Sun Dec 27
 * Major anatomy issues. Even before I began doing charart here, I noticed how...off not trying to be rude the anatomy is. It's more canine than feline and the joints are placed and bent at awkward angles. 13:48 Sun Dec 27

--Dewsplash (talk) 23:17, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ej819 (talk) 02:48, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I Am Dorito (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * 08:41, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * User:Mayahzdog09 The blanks look like dogs with cat whiskers slapped on them. They look good enough to be reused on a dog OC wiki.

Against

 * 02:16, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 *  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:20, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 03:20, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 03:27 Sat Dec 26
 * 03:29, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 05:10, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 06:35, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 13:29, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 14:13, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 15:25, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 21:36, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 02:40, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said above. 10:33, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not know if my vote counts. Sunstep (talk) 02:13, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the images are quite lovely. I apologize if my vote does not count. Starlingfur (talk) 08:02, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * 21:35, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * 21:35, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Support

 * 02:19, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Anatomy issues should very much be taken seriously and not get brushed aside just because there are a lot of images.
 * 2:41 Sat Dec 26
 * I was initially against this, but I now agree that the anatomy issues need to be addressed. 02:57, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that people have even read Shinx's commentary. She listed her reasons, and they are clearly very serious issues that should be addressed- those people who say that this is over "minor" anatomy issues tell me, have you read and considered Shinx's reasons? None of you told her she was wrong, so what is your point? If the project strives for better, then these issues should be addressed, no matter the amount of images. It is extremely lazy to ignore issues as huge as this merely because of the "amount" of images. Not only that, issues such as these, making them looking more canine than feline, are very serious- as SnowedLightning said, they shouldn't be brushed aside merely because of the workload. .incandescentflame (talk) 03:47, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * the cats look like DOGS! --coffeelover
 * It seems to me there's too large of a quality gap between these blanks and the newer ones. ThirteenthStar (talk) 08:10, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * But not immediately. 09:24, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * i don't think they look too good to be honest can i vote??
 * Instead of a total redo could we just tweak it a little, so we can still use the artists work? The anatomy issues need to be addressed, we can't ignore the issues. We are a wiki that is supposed to display realism, how can we do that when the blanks do not reflect a cats structure. — ☆ ｐａｐｅｒ  ·  ｆｉｎｃｈｅｓ  ★  15:51, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I say to make this easier, users may reserve some or all warrior images they made, cause I want to do my warrior images (not much, but still). There will still be plenty to go around. 00:29, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been pondering about this, and interviewed my family, my friends, etc. how they felt about the blanks. Most of them couldn't tell they were cats. For this, I believe the blanks do need some form of tweaking. If the audience of the wiki find some sort of problem with the blanks, up to the point where they can't tell that they're cats, then... Something has to be done about it, regardless of the workload.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:35, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * See deputy vote. Also, the amount of images does not provide a good enough excuse to ignore very obvious anatomy issues. And the issues ARE that noticeable. And agreeing with Stealth...people should redo their own images if they want them. 13:54 Sun Dec 27
 * Ej819 (talk) 02:48, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I Am Dorito (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * 08:41, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ej819 (talk) 02:48, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I Am Dorito (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * 08:41, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Against

 * 02:16, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Extremely excessive amount of images and is unnecessary.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  02:21, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I am fullheartedly 100% against doing this, and here's why. Firstly, the anatomy issues are really not that bad, and this comes from someone who draws feral cats on the side and makes money from it. The only thing I can see is the muzzle being thin, and that is a tweak and blanks can be tweaked, but a redo is entirely unnecessary. Yes, I am against redoing all of the blanks, but I could tolerate the others being redone since they are this pose but edited. But these blanks are really not all that bad and I'm not sure why you guys hate them so much? Plenty of people whom I've shown images to from the website have described them as looking like cats. And the workload really is asinine and absurd. 03:21, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * seeing these redone would really upset me. 03:27 Sat Dec 26
 * There's other blanks with worse issues. This is an excessive amount of images and maintaining a high quality of art among the sheer mass we need to get done likely will not occur. 03:29, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not right now, because as a wiki that has no where near the amount of members it had a couple years ago, we can't handle this amount of work. Especially when there's other work to be done on top of it. 03:33 Sat Dec 26
 * Reasons above.
 * 05:10, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 06:35, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 13:23, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 13:29, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * we can't just destroy hundreds of gorgeous images over tiny errors the majority of people don't notice or care about. It's glaringly obvious it's a cat - as long as it looks that way it's pointless. Besides, some people here are really fond of certain images, and there will be people who'll be devastated to see that images they've put their heart into have been redone, and they can't even redo it themselves because it's been snapped up by some other user.  14:12, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 15:25, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * no, no, and no. 21:35, December 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * 02:41, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * There's hundreds of warriors in the series that have charart on their pages. It's unnecessary to redo all of them. Redoing massive amount of images is pretty much a lot of work. There's an excessive amount of images, and the blanks look like cats, and I honestly think they're fine. 10:33, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * --Dewsplash (talk) 23:20, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I do not know if my vote counts. Sunstep (talk) 02:13, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not been a member long but I've been looking at these character pages for a long time and I've never thought anything wrong of the warrior images! I've also read up on this discussion and I agree that this would seem like a lot of work. I am sorry if my vote does not count. Starlingfur (talk) 08:02, December 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * The blanks do not look like dogs!!! -Brackenfur

Comments
As much as you think the blanks look like dogs, please refrain from saying things that might be taken as an insult. Mind you, these blanks have been around longer than any of you have joined. Please, for the love of god, watch what you say and try to make sure what you say does not come off as an insult. 21:41, December 30, 2015 (UTC)