Talk:Place of No Stars

Concerns

 * Needs clean-up and new info revealed in Fading Echoes incorporated in.
 * Perhaps list Visitors on the page as well since it is now of more significance?
 * Probably add history sections like on StarClan's page, again, since it is growing more significant  insaneular    Talk  02:26, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Forgotten Warrior section needs expanding.

It seems like I read somewhere that Brokenstar walks the Place of No Stars also, am I wrong? Also, if he wasn't listed as walking the PoNS, couldn't we go ahead and put him in? Do you think StarClan would allow him in after all he has done? Eulalia459678 ( Salamandastron ) 03:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC) "...Once he halted, eyes staring, jaws open to taste the air. 'I can scent Brokenstar!' he exclaimed. 'Is he here too? Brokenstar, where are you?..." That comes from the prologue of the Paperback 2007 edition of the Harper Trophy Sunset. Found using the Amazon.com search inside feature. Eulalia459678 ( Salamandastron ) 15:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We deal in facts, not guesses on the Mainspace, remember. We haven't seen him in the afterlife, so we can't officially verify him as being anywhere specific. Pretty much unless we've seen them in the afterlife we really probobly shouldn't be listing them as specifically a part of either group. Kitsufox Fox's Den 04:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Although I agree that we shouldn't put guesses in the mainspace, I'm almost positive I read about Brokentail being in the PoNS in a book. Someone ought to check Sunset and The Sight so we can be sure. Sorry I can't but I only own the first 4 books of the Original Series. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 07:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I only own a First Look Copy of the Sight. and I don't acctually own any of the New Prophecy (Book are expensive when you're also paying bills around a house. You would not believe how much electricity costs nowadays. But I don't remember him being seen in PoNS, but I read so many books on the whole that if it was mentioned in passing I may have just forgotten it (It's been awhile since I've read the New Prophecy. And considering I didn't really enjoy the second half of that series much at all...) We can just hold off, verify the information, and then add it in. Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm almost positive that he is, but I'm not going to be able to look until next Thursday at the latest. Eulalia459678 ( Salamandastron ) 15:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strike that, look at this quote I found:

In one of the prologues in the New Prophecy books Darkstripe says he can scent Brokentail/Brokenstar. I would say he really is in the dark forest/place of no stars.
 * Yeah, I found the exact quote, using the Amazon.com search feature. Eulalia459678 ( Salaman dastron ) 01:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Is ashfur in the place of no stars?I mean he tried killing squirrelflight and her kits. -Whitewingrox

and don't forget he plotted to kill Firestar. Thornclaw  talk!  23:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We'll have to see in Sunset. Warrior♥ 19:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing about where Ashfur is now in Sunset... --Snowflurry 18:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Snowflurry

brokenstar is in it read the prolouge of sunsetButthead4 20:33, April 27, 2011 (UTC) butthead4

What's so bad about the Dark Forest?
Why do cats not want to go there? Is there something unpleasant about it? Sure, you don't see many other cats, but not everyone is social. So is the only thing going against it that it's not StarClan? Or is there some specific reason cats don't want to end up there?

I think it's the isolation, and the fact that there's nothing to do. No hunts, no sleep, no thirst, etc. Tigerstar and Hawkfrost seem to enjoy it there, though. --Fidelis359 03:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

They may like it, but I bet they both would much rather be alive to take power themselves. I don't think Tigerstar really likes it though. In the prologue of Sunset, it said that he longed to hunt, and feel his claws in flesh. *Shudders*--Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 21:05, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Mudclaw
Erin Hunter revealed that Mudclaw went to StarClan because he did everything right and the warrior code says the deputy always becomes leader. --Stonestar 12:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Scourge
It was already confirmed in a Wands and Worlds Chat that Scourge doesn't walk the Dark Forest, as he had no concept of an afterlife. http://wandsandworlds.com/community/node/882 That being said, it's likely that Bone does not walk it either.

Ashfur
Does anyone think its possible that Ashfur walks the Dark Forest? I really don't know, because he was mainly nice, but went totally insane and horrible in the end. -- ♥Shine star♥  22:09, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the same thing happened to Tigerstar and Hawkfrost. And Hollyleaf, IF she's dead or not. I, just knowing the Hunters, think they will bring back Hollyleaf, 'cause they acted really weird on answering about Hollyleaf's alive/dead thing. If she was dead, they would have told us. Ya know? -- Rosey Happy Leaf-bare!

I think he should get the same punishment. -sarahlion On the seventh chat with Erin Hunter, she said that Ashfur's residence will be known soon.

Ashfur is now confirmed to reside in StarClan after his death, so no, he is not in the Dark Forest. ♥Phoenixfeather: The flowers are blooming...♥  23:04, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw
should we put thisleclaw down as a possible resident? He was totally power and battle crazy. It says he died in a pool of blood. I think we should put him down as a possible resident. -- ♥Shine star♥  21:07, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I heard from someone that Erin Hunter confirmed that he went to StarClan. I didn't see the chat or whatever myself, but it make sense, since he was violent, but never actually did anything evil, except his almost getting Tiny/Scourge killed, though that was indirectly his fault, and maybe StarClan forgave him since Bluestar stopped it. Insaneular | raluenasnI 00:54, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

i heard he went to starclan at first, but when bluestar joined starclan, she chased him into the Dark Forest. that's just what i heard.

Appearances
Should we add an appearances of the Dark Forest, the StarClan page does so should I add that? Go ShadowClan! 00:44, January 27, 2010 (UTC)Dappleclaw

Opinions
For the possible residents (and I might be wrong) but isn't that going to make a lot of arguements? Like some people might veiw Hollyleaf as a good cat who was under trauma and some might say she was completly mad and killed a cat. I don't really know but I think that too many users might use that area to post their own opinions.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 22:35, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Artimas, you have no idea how many times I've had to rollback this page for that reason. But, that's the nature of the beast- since they're "possible" residents, we put down all cats that are possibly there- if there's any (significant) chance at all. We could debate for ages as to wehter Ashfur, Hollyleaf, etc. are there or not- but if there's a chance we need to leave them. (Sorry if this sounds directed at you, it's not- just at the people who change the possible residents without thinking) insan TA STE  THE  RAIN BOW  eu lar  22:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

true enough. Should we put down cats who have visited the Dark Forest? We could make another category for cats like Lionblaze Tigerheart, and Brambleclaw.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 17:05, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

If I recall, there is already a category for visitors to the Dark Forest, and they're kind of listed in the description, so it doesn't seem necessary to have a list for them like the possible members section, but... insan TA STE  THE  RAIN BOW  eu lar  17:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

It is also suggested that Hollyleaf will return in Omen of the Stars as a long-awaited female villian.

Whoever said that, please sign with the Signature button! And where does it say Hollyleaf will return as a female villain? Plus, this is not a forum. Take that somewhere else, please.Phoenixfeather13--Burning Bright, Even in Snow 16:03, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thistle is in Starclan.
Why on earth is Thistleclaw down as a possible resident for the dark forest? It was confirmed somewhere that he was in Starclan with his mate Snowfur. Okay he was evil but he never actually killed anycat. Clarrissa My Talk Page 15:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Find a reference Clarrissa. ✐S  aN  dY  15:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * i heard that he was in starclan, but when bluestar joined starclan she chased him into the dark forest.
 * i heard that he was in starclan, but when bluestar joined starclan she chased him into the dark forest.

Jaggedtooth
Okay, an unregistered contributor seems convinced that Jaggedtooth is a suspected Place of No Stars cat. Is this true, or not? Should I keep undoing the edit or not? 0_0

Shistar Mai Talk Page 01:46, March 3, 2010 (UTC).I think Jaggedtooth should be listed as a resident because he has not appeared since the first series(HE IS DEAD) and he was very evil so i think he should be listed as a resident. Does anyone else agree

Jaggedtooth is not dead. After the battle between the four clans (ThunderClan, WindClan, RiverClan, and ShadowClan) and BloodClan, the four forest clans won. They driven out BloodClan and Jaggedtooth is part of BloodClan. So Jaggedtooth ran off back to the twolegplace along with the other cats of BloodClan.

Yes, Jaggedtooth is evil, but he isn`t dead.

Agreed, and can I just remind people to sign with the signature button? I&#39;m Still Phoenixfeather13! 11:57, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Mapleshade
It reveals that she is a member so i think she should be put on this list. Vicky said that he was a very evil cat and that he did bad things but i would like to know a little more about her.

She appears in the Dark Forest in Night Whispers.

It was also revealed by Erin Hunter, that she will appear in the fourth volume of the Super Edition series, Crookedstar's Promise. And she will appear in that book alive. So in that book, we can find out why she is in Place of No Stars. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:55 P.M.

Thistleclaw revealed in PONS.
It has been revealed that Thistleclaw resides in the Dark Forest. This was said by Vicky on her Facebook page back in May. If you want the snippet: "Warriors WishERS want to know one thing- what did Thistleclaw ever do to deserve being banished [to the PONS]?" "Thistleclaw had VERY dark ambitions . . . but you're right, he [did] something dreadful to deserve banishment to DF. Unless Bluestar drove him out when she got to StarClan?!" --Vicky Sorry about my newbie set-up of this tidbit. --Ambersky 02:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

He will also appear in the Place of No Stars in Night Whispers. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:37 P.M.

Hawkheart & Unnamed Brown Tom
In the list of the Place of No Stars, there is also a cat that is now, known as the Unnamed Brown Tom. It is suspected that the Unnamed Brown Tom in the Place of No Stars is suspected to be Hawkheart. Why? REASON #1: Hawkheart is a brown tom REASON #2: Hawkheart is evil. He broke the 14th warrior code: No honourable warriors kill other cats to win a battle. He broke it, by murdering Bluestar's mother, Moonflower. Even after the day he killed her, he never regret it. Instead, at the one Gathering, he taunted Bluestar. (Bluepaw then) --Tigerclaw8

He later died sometime in Bluestar's Prophecy. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:48 P.M.

He may have broken the warrior code by killing Moonflower, but he was provoked. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 01:58, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

@"Goldenpelt FREE YOUR HEAT" From, Tigerclaw8: Maybe, but are SURE he was provoked? PLEASE CONTACT HERE

She tried to destroy their medicine supply. If that's not provoking him, I don't know what is. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 02:22, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Still, there's the warrior code to think about. Honorable cats do not need to kill, or have we all forgotten that? I&#39;m Still Phoenixfeather13! 12:00, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

if the brown tom your talking about is the one who fought Jayfeather and Poppyfrost with Brezzepelt then he was confirmed to be Brokenstar

Residents (in my opinion)
OK, these are the residents in Place of No Stars:

Tigerstar

Brokenstar

Darkstripe

Hawkfrost

Snowtuft

Shredtail

Mapleshade

Thistleclaw

Sparrowfeather

And probably the Unnamed Brown Tom. (I skipped Clawface) --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:06 P.M.

Clawface
I don`t think we should put Clawface in the list of the Dark Forest because nothing reveals or proven that Clawface is in the Dark Forest. Even Erin Hunter didn`t say anything about Clawface in the Place of No Stars. Only the list says Clawface on it, thats all.....

In case you didn't notice, there's a citation for it. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 02:20, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Where's the citation for it? --Tigerclaw8 Thursday, August 5th, 2010 6:30 PM

There's a link right by his name. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 01:51, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

@Goloenpelt FREE YOUR HEAT Which link? --Tigerclaw8 Friday, August 13, 2010 9:47 PM

(Sighs wearily) Secrets of the Clan revealed Clawface went to the Dark Forest, possibly because he both killed Spottedleaf and followed Brokenstar into exile. I&#39;m Still Phoenixfeather13! 12:02, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Evil cats with their residence unknown (up to Fading Echoes)
Clawface (probably)

Scourge

Ashfur

Hawkheart

Bone

Sharptooth

Scourge: Didn't end up in Starclan or the Place of No Stars because he didn't belive in Starclan

Bone: Same as Scourge

Hawkheart: problably did because he was so darn evil

Shartooth: Do snakes go to Starclan... No! Do badgers go to Starclan... No! So unless I hear of Starclan cats going missing it's a I don't think so

Ashfur:He probably went to Starclan

Rainear  be as silent as rain

Hawkheart revealed in the Dark Forest
On the 7th chat with Erin Hunter, she confirmed that Hawkheart is in the Place of No Stars. It is unknown which book Hawkheart will appear in the Place of No Stars. --Tigerclaw8   Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:45 PM

It is also unknown how does Hawkheart die, although it is known that Hawkheart died sometime in "Bluestar's Prophecy".

Shoudn't there be a Night Whispers section? .Skystar. 23:29, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't Antpelt now be listed as a resident of the Dark forest? he died and went there. .Skystar. 00:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Snowtuft
Okay so why does it say Snowtuft was in ShadowClan, was that confirmed?-Redfern123 

Reveled in Fading Echoes, as of the Source. 16:31, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I checked the page from the citation, and there was no mentioned of him being from ShadowClan. -- 22:55, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Delete
Can I delete the part where it says hell because younger kids are on this website and that to parents of younger kids think it's a bad word, and kids are curious, and littler kids might not know what hell is and might ask it. 22:28, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

It's not like it's being used as a curse word. :/ I see no reason for it to be removed. -- 22:50, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Besides, only people ages 13 and up are allowed on this website, so that seems like a mature enough age group to handle one word. 02:19, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Squirrel. It's a biblical place. There should be no reason that someone can't handle it. 02:25, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, anyone can view pages and the wiki itself should be kept to a "G" Rating (the forum, which requires membership, is 13+ and can be considered to have a PG rating). Hell is, however, suitable to the "G" rating (even in expletive use form). According to the MPAA "Some snippets of language [in a G rated film] may go beyond polite conversation". It's not our job to protect children from language. That's the parent's duty. Given the context of the word, and the fact that there' is no other suitable word to refer to it, it would be absolutely acceptable to use. 02:40, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Flametail
Isn't Flametail a Dark Forest resident? 06:02, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, he's a StarClan resident. It said he wandered into the Dark Forest on accident. 15:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Mapleshade
Shouldn't Mapleshade be listed as a ThunderClan resident?<font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="5C3B7A" >100 ways to die no. 9: Being <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="B392D3"> ugly 15:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

True. I added it in. 02:23, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise
Shouldn't there be a Crookedstar's Promise section? HollyleafOfThunderclan 16:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise
Shouldn't there be a Crookedstar's Promise section? HollyleafOfThunderclan 16:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)