Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Gallery Back Covers - Silver Nomination
I got all the books. All I need to do is rename the images to fit the Book Covers. 01:39, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Looks great! I actually nominated it bronze today and was hoping to make it silver, but you did better than what I could have done! 03:05, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's funny. I saw that it on the project page in the chart, and was about to change it, then I saw you already did. :3 03:30, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah! :P 20:43, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :D 15:44, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Should we be adding in Crookedstar's Promise (and the SkyClan ones, for that matter), since it comes out next week? And are these the back covers for the hardcover editions? Because the one I have for Outcast is different.  Law liet  Me ow 22:01, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we should add those in anyway. There must be different versions of the back cover. Can you try to find a picture of the back cover you have online? Then we can see if Moonflight should add that in. 02:24, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

There must be two versions. Some versions have a book summery and others have a list of books. Some books have one, some have the other, and some might have both. So, we'll each have to search our books and scan them if necessary. 02:28, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

SquirrelFlame, this is the one that I have. I get most of my books in paperback, so I think they vary from the hardcovers. I can go through and check mine if I have to (since I have all the books up to Crookedstar's Promise, which I'll get sometime this week).  Law liet  Me ow 01:03, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. You check through yours, and see if they're the same. If not, you can add it in. 17:40, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, a lot of mine already match what is up there, aside from one or two paperbacks. But, it doesn't really bother me. 00:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I've looked, and this is missing a few covers. It's missing the one for Crookedstar's Promise and also the new SkyClan manga, The Rescue. What's going on with this? Is it still being worked on? 06:23, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

If not, I can take over. But let's wait for a day or two more. 18:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, it's been two days. Squirrel, if you want this, you make take it. 15:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go about fixing it. 19:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I've been trying to get the back covers from the internet, but Crookedstar's Promise and The Rescue are fairly new books, so I can't get them. Help? 16:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I found alternate versions for quite a few of the books, so where should I put them? Right nest to the other version? 17:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you can find the Harper Collins browse inside for them, then you should be able to screen shot it, and crop it to size. For alternate versions I would suggest that the main version should be the US edition (as with the front covers) and any alternates (eg. softcover, UK1, UK2) should be put under foreign language, or perhaps a new section entitled 'English alternate'. The question is: should the hardcover or softcover version be seen as the main version? 17:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should use the hardcover ones. After all, those are the ones that first came out, and often enough, the ones that people have. I know from Sunrise on, I have all hardcover, and all of the Super Editions I have are hardcover as well. 17:25, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

We need to fully figure out which covers are for which edition, and lay it down, because it's confusing me. 17:30, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point. I have a rough time figuring out which ones are which, myself. However, it's not something I'm good at, so, Sandy, can you help us out a bit? 17:34, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I have a rough idea of which are the hardcovers and paperbacks. For example, for Midnight, the hardcover is this, and the paperback is this. Am I right? 17:38, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd have said the other way around myself... I can tell you with all certainty that of the ones on the page as it stands, ITW through Starlight are the US paperback versions. So ideally, these need replacing with the hardcover versions and then the paperback versions need moving to the bottom of the page alongside the UK versions. If possible it would be nice to get some more UK versions, both UK1 and UK2 as there are two editions, plus maybe some for other languages. I know Helice uploaded some French ones, but if possible we could try and get the Chinese or German versions etc. I think the main priority needs to be to get the US hardcover versions in place where possible for all releases up to this point. Then the page should be good enough for silver grade. I think getting foreign covers is gold grade work, personally. (: 18:15, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, got it. I'm going to be uploading a lot of images. This is the first time I feel as if I'm actually contributing to PB! :P I have the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise and I'm going to upload it on soon. 18:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone check to make sure I named the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise right? And also if I did the right stuff on the Gallery page? Also, I looked on HarperCollins for the back cover of the hardcover version of Into the Wild, but it matches the one already on there, so is that already hardcover? 18:31, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Allegiances Crookedstar's Promise - Silver Nomination
They've been ready for a while now. I just felt it was appropriate to wait until Crookedstar's Promise was officially released. 20:56, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't have possession of CP yet (I need to pick it up at the bookstore tomorrow)...and I gotta ask. Are there any cats that are included in the book that aren't in the Allegiances? We should include them too, right?  Law liet  Ta lk 01:04, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Other than that, looks great! :D 15:55, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * True. I'll look into that. 15:57, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wait. According to Helix's guidelines, it says that the Allegiances must be copied exact, so, we shouldn't that then... 00:39, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot about that... I think we should have an extra section for the cats not included. It makes it seem like they're not part of the book otherwise.  Law liet  Ta lk 02:12, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thats a good idea...or we could have a separate list. 20:03, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I like the idea about having an extra section. Otherwise, like Cloudy said, it makes them seem like they're not part of the books. 17:34, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. The extra section sounds better. 00:54, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

What are we doing with this? Are we keeping it how it is, or adding in another section? 00:45, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should add in the other section. 00:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. Hmm... I'm thinking of asking Helix his opinion on this. Should I see what his ideas are? 00:53, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Helix is much more experienced and will have good ideas to contribute. 02:33, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. I trust his judgement. 02:35, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

All further discussion on this matter shall be taken to the bottom of the page, in the new section I created. 02:41, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming this can now be done as the discussion has been concluded? I was wondering though: should the characters that don't appear in the allegiances be cited to show the page where they first appear in the book, to prove they do at all? Just a thought. 18:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'll put up the vote, and you should put that idea down below. *points to other section regarding characters* That's a good idea. 18:33, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Put up the vote before the page is fixed? Surely we need to complete it first? 18:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * The page itself is fine. Here's how I see it: once we get the character issue solved, then it'll get added. Other then that, there's NOT reason to delay the page a status it's ready for. If that were the case, then each of the other allegiance pages would have to be downgraded. 18:57, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon - Silver Nomination
I think I did a pretty good job with Sign of the Moon, what do you guys think? I think it's summarized fairly well. 01:04, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, but the Plot Summary should be expanded, and it needs a publication list. Also, take a look at the cliffnotes, as they need to be finsihed. =)  Law liet  Li ght 01:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it could certainly be expanded. I think you should add more references to the trivia and add another cover to the gallery. I think there's an e-book or something. 02:46, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

So, all the other links need to be ready before the main article can be ready? 13:58, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

E-books don't need covers; none of the books have them in the galleries. E-books just need to be in the publication list. 16:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Right, I knew that! ;) But, yes. I'm pretty sure that the other links need to be ready before it can be nominated. 17:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they do. 16:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on that in a little bit (I'm not feeling well right now) so I just thought I'd let you know. But shouldn't it be at least bronze, not "started"? 20:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the main article is good enough to be bronze right now. I'll go change that. 22:30, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Can the summary be expanded just a little bit? 00:17, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ivystripe? Are you still working on this? If not, I'll have to let someone else claim this. 06:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The author and cover artist need citing. Is there also a jacket designer? I assume this was released in hardback and would therefore potentially have one. The publication list also needs citations before this can become silver. These are all relatively small fixes. I'd do them myself, but I don't have the book. I also wanted to point out that anyone can work on this no matter who nominated it. No one can 'claim' or 'reserve' a book page... 21:27, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, since Ivy's not working on this, I'll take it over from here. I'll go and cite all of that now. It was released in hardback, I know, because I have it. 14:51, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The paragraphs look kind of short and choppy. Can you combine them a little? 20:04, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Give me a bit, and I'll work on this. 20:06, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I cited some of the trivia and finished the cliffnotes. 17:02, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Icey. =) I'll finish up the summary now. 17:13, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm slowly fixing this up. If anyone feels they need to add anything in, be my guest. 04:13, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Characters not included in the Allegiances
Should they be added to the allegiances page, or just left alone? Now, you all know my opinion on this, but, I think I should get the opinions of the other users before any type of decision is made. So, comments, anyone? 02:40, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hi all. First, we should decide what is an Allegiance article.
 * Is it supposed to be a verbatim copy of the "allegiances" pages as published in the book?
 * Is it supposed to list all characters appearing in the book, regardless of the list given by the authors?

I have no problem with the second option, i.e. include characters that were left out or forgotten from the list, in a separate section. However, to avoid future debates, we should decide what should be included, and what not.
 * Should we include only named characters, or unnamed ones (e.g. Leafstar's Mother) as well?
 * Should we include only cats, or other creatures and humans (e.g. Pack Leader) as well?
 * Should we include groups (e.g. The Pack), or only individuals?

Kind regards, 08:26, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I feel as if it should list every character that appeared in the book, to gives a heads up to other users reading the article. 12:03, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm is right. It wouldn't make sense to a reader if they don't see all the characters listed. I think that all characters should be included, including cats like Leafstar's Mother. The list included in the book isnt even by any of the Erins - it's the editor that makes them. 13:20, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, any cat/animal that has it's own page on this wiki needs to be put on the page. It makes sense to list all the characters, not just the few that show up in the allegiances. I think groups shouldn't be included as groups have many characters, but individual ones such as Pack Leader need to be listed. 18:21, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

What about cats born during the book? 19:18, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. I think those should be listed separately too. 19:20, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. This would also mean including Dovekit and Ivykit in the allegiances of Sunrise, as an example. 19:22, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

So the allegiances would then have a spolier warning section too? 19:24, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

It would seem that way. I see nothing wrong with it. 01:01, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I suggest that, to avoid making allegiances into completely spoiler-enclosed articles, a section should be added to the bottom of the article labeled "Appeared by were not Listed" (or something similar) and that ends up in spoiler tags. I think that's a suitable "middle ground" to get them included, but keep the allegiances themselves faithful to what was in the books. 01:14, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, that a really good idea. Thanks for your input, Kitsu. 01:21, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

SkyClan's Destiny
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to start a discussion like this, but what needs to be worked on in SkyClan's Destiny? I think the plot summary looks good, and I know cliffnotes need major work, but what else? 01:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

The summary only has about half of the book. You may want to re-think before you say something. XDDD 01:41, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, really? Wow, never noticed! Typical me... :P 01:44, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lead Changes
Hi everyone. I come to you now with news. Rainlegs has stepped down as leader of PB, thus making me leader. My choice for deputy is Rainwillow. =) 02:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations to you and Rainey! I wish you guys long leadships....and a long fall and winter. ;D 02:42, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lol Icy! Thanks! =D 02:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's true...I wish long winters and falls. 02:45, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Why? (Reply to me on my talkpage) 02:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes! Congrats, Rainey and Cloudy! I was hoping it would be Rainey! XD 03:17, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm happy with my choice. I know Rainwillow will make me proud. 03:19, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations! I know you guys are going to lead us well! 21:06, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow, two days passed and I didn't even notice! Eeps! Well, congradulations Cloudskye, I wish you the best of luck as new leader of PB. Congradulations to Rainwillow too as the new deputy. I'm sure you both will lead to the best of your abilities. Rainlegs, I'm sorry you stepped down! You picked a good new leader though! 02:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, it's been a while, but congrats, Cloudy and Rainey! You both deserve it, and Rainey, extra congrats for your first lead position! 19:01, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Atelda and Misty! Rainwillow does deserve it - she's worked very hard for PB. 19:04, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise ~ Silver Nomination
Yes, I know it's not done yet. I'm claiming it for myself, though, since it's been a while since I've nominated anything. 21:28, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

You might already be working on this - but cite the trivia. 15:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just letting you know I'll have this done after I finish up SotM. =)

The Rescue ~ Silver Nomination
So yeah.....like Crookedstar's Promise, it's not done yet. I'm gonna fix it up, so this is basically a reservation. xD 02:11, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Is there any trivia? 15:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Brightspirit's Mercy - Silver Nomination
I fixed up the article and finally found references for all the missing information. I think it's ready for silver now, including the Cliffnotes. 13:50, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, Sandy. I'd tell you to extend the cliffnotes, but the play's not that long, so it'd be kinda hard. 13:55, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

It looks great. 14:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. 19:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I may have made a mistake here. I found a passed silver vote for this in the PB forum. Though why it was passed with so much left undone I have no idea. Anyway, don't know what you guys want to do with this. 20:20, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... should we re-do the vote, since it's obviously been improved since that vote was cast? 20:23, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, let's re-do the vote. 22:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

If everyone else agrees, then that's what we will do. 03:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. 03:36, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree also. 13:52, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

If there are no objections, then the voting shall proceed in 24 hours. =) 20:52, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys, I added in the link to the official downloadable pdf on warriorcats.com. I think it would be better to use that instead. We shouldn't believe everything we read online. I have nothing against WW, but, I think this is better. 22:28, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Grade issues
The main page lists 37 gold and 110 silver articles, while this page (a script adding up the grade boxes on article talk pages) lists 37 gold and 99 silver articles. This either means that the main page list is wrong (e.g. listing the same articles multiple times), or that the Grade wasn't updated on talk pages after a vote. I don't have time to check all articles one by one, but hope someone can do it. Kind regards, 15:51, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'll do it. 18:48, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Helice, you could have told me about that on skype.. Now I feel like I'm not doing my job right... =( Anyways, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not sure why it's doing that. I know I added them in right... >.> 18:52, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Cliffnotes Into the Wild was listed in Gold and Silver, Brightspirit's Mercy articles should have been taken down, Spottedleaf's Honest Answer should be silver on the talk page, Night Whispers should have been silver on the talk page, and Gallery Warrior's Return should be silver on talk page. I fixed it all, so that should fix the problem. 19:16, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, Cliffnotes of Sunrise was listed twice. Now it should be fixed. 19:32, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I wasn't paying attention to them...because I think all of them were put up when Rainlegs and I were leader and deputy. I'm sorry guys. =( 20:50, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

It's ok, Cloudy. No one blames you. =) Hmm... For some weird reason Fading Echoes isn't counted but on the talk page, it's graded silver. Does anyone know how to fix it?  22:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I fixed it. :) 22:29, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Cloudskye. Sorry if what I said sounded the wrong way; I didn't tell it in private because I didn't want to dump all work on you; you're already doing more than enough for the Project and the Wiki, for which I would like to thank you again. 20:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I realize that, but I lead the project. I feel really bad because I didn't make sure everything was up-to-date. I know I'm doing a lot for the wiki, but, I feel bad when I don't get things done that I should. 20:56, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Articles
On some articles, such as Warriors Translations and Don Hudson, there is a PB tag. I think these articles would be better suited in the new project, Project Reality, as they are based on things in the real world. What does everyone else think? 23:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think that Warriors Translations should stay with PB, because it has to do with the books themselves. As for the other one, I'm not sure why it's in the PB category, as it's a person. I have no problem with Don Hudson becoming part for Reality, but I think that Translations should stay with Books. 23:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)