Warriors Wiki talk:Charart/Tweak Page

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=Tweaking=

Jaggedtooth (W) - Redone
Hey, Im warrior today! yahuu. I tryied match him with rogue charart, OA was Sandstar12 Leaf-storm,20:33,October 16,2011 (UTC)

Congrats, and job well done, Leaf. Lighten the shading a tad. 20:40, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful! Enlarge the chest highlight/thin out the shading around that area. I'm not sure if you use highlights or not, so choose either option that'll work best for you. ;) 20:56, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think I not understard you correctly Rainy.. hmm but reuploaded Leaf-storm,13:13,October 17,2011 (UTC)

The shading is kind of weird... it doesn't make sense, really. Try to make it match this tutorial and it'll make more sense. 00:19 Tue Oct 18

ah! I forget say reuploaded! Leaf-storm,19:03,October 18,2011 (UTC)

Move the chest highlight up more. 23:27, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded - Leaf-storm,15:07,October 19,2011 (UTC)

Blur the haunch highlight. 20:32, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Leaf-storm,12:23,October 21,2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes on his right ear a tad thinner, its looks a little red. 16:37, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded - Leaf-storm,09:47,October 22,2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink less purple. 17:00, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded - Leaf-storm,17:39,October 22,2011 (UTC)

Mosspelt (Alt. Q) - Redone
Argh, the charart that was up for approval for FIVE MONTHS. Original artist was me, and she needed to be longhaired. 20:44, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Haha! I remeber this one. Blur the shading. =) 21:13, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I also made the earpink more visible. 21:42, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink more; its still hard to see. 22:17, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Wait for the changes to show. 23:52, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think you forgot to fill in the nose of this pretty cat. :3 Sky- Stealing all ur  candy 00:02, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink a bit more. I know you did it already, but it needs to be defined a little more. XD Also brighten it. And I remember this one, I had JUST come into the PCA when it was up, and I kept wondering why it was up for so long. XD Honestly it looked fine to me. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  07:06, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly add some/more depth to the eye. Also, it may be me, but I think you really need to blend the shading in. It doesn't really look 3-D at the moment. I would just use the smudge tool and smudge the shading like chararts where you can see the texture of the pelt and then blur it somewhat. Or if you use layers and gimp (I think Pixlr has the filter too), I suggest using the gaussian blur. Other than that, I love the color and it looks awesome! :D 23:01, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I redid the shading. @Skystar The nose is filled in. 20:27, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I know this is supposed to be bracken-coloured, but honestly the colour's kind of off. I don't know how to describe it, but if you could adjust the saturation or run the dodge and/or burn tool over this to make the colour a bit richer and less green (it's not actually green; it just seems green-tinted). I'm not asking you to redo this... just tweak it a tad :3 06:05 Thu Oct 20

Reuploaded It honestly looked fine to me, but if you say so... 17:09, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading, darken it, dull the highlights and blur. 20:55, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink bigger and more pink. -- 21:18, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I honestly think it's too dark, but I'll let everyone else decide. 22:47, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay I'm sorry, but this just isn't bracken-coloured. Could you try to make it closer to this colour? I'm not trying to be bossy or anything, I just honestly think this isn't the right colour. 01:32 Sat Oct 22

Reuploaded This good? 03:19, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more pink. 16:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I tried. 17:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

This looks a lot better. Make the earpink redder. Lovely job. 21:14 Sat Oct 22

Reuploaded Now I feel this will also take five months to get approved. 14:22, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Leopardstar (Alt. D)~ Redone
OA was me and it needed to be long haired. Comments? 22:10, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a little more pink, instead of purple. It looks much better then it did before, Iceheart. 23:25, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten it a tad. It looks a bit black :3 06:12 Thu Oct 20

Are you still working on this, Ice? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 00:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

She is. She told me she'd be on tomorrow. 01:48 Sat Oct 22

Reuploaded- Ill miss the old version, it was my second image approved. 18:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten it up a tad and define the highlights and mottles. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

There are no highlights, if i define the mottles they look like poorly done stripes, and if i lighten it anymore its not really dark brown anymore. 174.7.189.245 00:03, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think she was just described as brown, not dark brown. But okay. Make the ear-pink just a tad smaller. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 00:16, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- Youre right it was only brown, dont know why i thought differently. Anyway i lightened it a bit. 18:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Shiningheart (W) - Redone
Silver tabbies have black stripes. I had to fix the shading and all the stripes were smudged, so I just redid it to match her queen charart up. OA was Icethroat. Comments? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:04, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Not ALL silver tabbies have black stripes, I've seen tons with dark grey stripes. But I like this a lot better than the old one. Is there shading on the stripes? If not, put them under the shading maybe. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:27, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:49, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Since you asked..... Blur the shading. Also, there are some stripes that look a tad our of place. If you look at the haunch, some of them aren't as blurred as the others. Dull the highlight on the haunch as well. 22:55, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Add a stripe or two to the top of the head, it looks a lil plain. 00:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Because she's sitting instead of lying down, her stripes will be a little off, but I think that they match well enough. @Cloudy, no highlights in this one, but I the patch a bit smaller. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:07, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste below the muzzle and beside the chest. 17:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights brighter and also try to smudge everything into th pelt more. 20:49, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sandstorm, if you were reading, Scarlet isn't using highlights with this one. Also, I think the stripes look just fine. 20:53, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud you tone down the earpink a bit? It's a little bright. And yeah, I agree, the stripes look fine. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:22, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes a tad. 21:19 Sat Oct 22

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:18, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Brightewn the face and haunch highlight, and make the ear pink a tad bigger. 23:31, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Daisytail (Q) - Redone
Got permission to redo this. Her old charart was neither light brown, nor dark ginger, and was dark brown and red. And I'm pretty sure she needed stripes. Since the ginger and white ones go stripes, I figured she would too. Anyways, comments? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:13, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the other image, it looked nothing like her description. I'm impressed at how this looks. I want to ask you to make the stripes a little more gingery, but that seems like it would take too much work. Instead, I'll just ask you to darken the shading. 04:20, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Thanks Cloudy. And done. :) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:25, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Now, blur the edges of said darkened shading. Other then that, I see nothing wrong. And you said you're not fit to be a senior warrior... Rubbish. 04:28, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Forgot to mention the OA was Rainy. XD Sorry. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  16:58, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the tabby stripes more. 21:15, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Not gonna blur the stripes anymore after this. They won't be visibly anymore. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  14:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Why is it so weirdly smudged...? Oh well, darken the ear pink 22:41, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - What's weird about the way it's smudged? D: And I darkened the earpink. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ah never mind about that. Just define the stripes on the head and chest 01:01, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I was just told to blur them, I'm not practically undoing that now. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:13, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Very well then. Brighten the highlight on tail- if you use them, of course. If not, then lighten the part where the highlight would be 01:29, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Nope, no highlights on this one, but I lightened that part. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:41, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

This is a lot better then the original one. :) All I can see that needs attention is the back patch, near the top of the haunch lineart. Could you smudge it a tad more there? 19:51, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Done. :) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  17:24, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Bumblestripe (W) - Tweaked
I tried....o.0 OA is Night Shine, tweaked by Rainlegs. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 18:05, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes to look more natural. Looks better than it used to. 18:21, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 18:39, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thicken the stripes and add more aend define them. 20:54, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. `Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 21:14, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I meant blur the stripes to look furry. ^^; 23:07, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. xD I'll try. Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 23:12, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to. I just think they'd look better like that. 23:14, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Too late. BD <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 23:33, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Darken/define the shading. 23:48, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Am I allowed to? I'm only really meant to be doing the stripes. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 23:50, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

It states in the guidelines that you're only supposed to do what's supposed to be tweaked. You don't have to do it. 23:52, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

And the tweak page states that the stripes needed to be redone. 01:07, October 21, 2011 (UTC

The stripes look very unrealistic. You might want to try re-doing them, the furry thing is a bit off. 20:38, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Alos enlargen the ear pink more and also darken it. I know ear pink can be a pain.... 20:50, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think the earpink looks fine Sandstorm. Maybe smudge the stripe on the head a bit more if you keep the stripes this way though. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:35, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 01:20, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes, or texture, looks like it's half smudged half blurred. In other words, I think you should emphasize and smudge it a bit more. If you're using GIMP, I suggest the shift filter. :D 01:25, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I gave what Atelda said a try. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 01:39, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Either blur it or smudge it more. <span style="">01:50 Sat Oct 22

Re-uploaded. Image of evil. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 01:56, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Try smudging the stripes out onto the pelt. IDK but also blur the shading too. 00:46, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Webfoot (W) ~ Redone
OA was Nightshine; redone as a shorthair. 23:03, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink. Excellent job, Misty. 23:21, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Re-Uploaded.' 23:22, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes, darken the ear pink, shading, and the strpe on the haunches are a bit messy. Mind fixing the smaller, longer stripe? 23:28, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Wouldnt it much be easier to put the shorthair lineart over the old one...? Oh well, theres cut-off lineart on the bottom of the foot and Icestorm I think the stripes are defined enough ^^ - 23:47, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I suck at layers, so I just redid it. And, I fixed the lineart and the stripe. 23:49, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Lets be honest people, we all want an original image, you know, so this is our chance! Anyway, nice job, blur the shading on the neck. 00:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 00:32, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

This is lovely, but since I reserved his elder first, shouldn't I be the one to do all his images? I was intending just to just layer the lineart over his old image - I can do it. I'm not saying you should ditch this image and revert it or anything, especially 'cause you copied the old stripe pattern, but does that mean you get to redo all of his images or can I just layer the lineart over all of them instead of having you redo them all? <span style="">02:54 Fri Oct 21

Oops, sorry! I didn't mean to steal it. Since I just copied the old stripes, I think you can just do the lineart things on the elder version, and just tweak the spots, since I...don't do spots on tabbies. 22:34, October 21, 2011 (UTC) Darken the eyes a bit. This is pretty! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  22:36, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I dont think you can put the elder lineart over, Wildheart because the two are different...I mean the head are shaped differently, and so is everything else :\ - 22:39, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, I meant putting hte elder lineart over the elder version. Re-Uploaded. 21:42, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, I mean the two elder linearts (longhair and shorthair) they're slightly different 22:46, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Whatever. Wildheart's good at charart; if she can't do the lineart, she can probably redo the elder version anyway, or just tweak the lineart. 22:49, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why, but most of your chararts look a little blotchy to me O_o. Blur the earpink. 23:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong image, darken the tail shading instead. 23:20, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

The tail shading is just as dark as the body shading. If I darken it, they won't match. 23:25, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Okay awesome no I wasn't accusing you of stealing it I was just worried about consistency XD I'll manage for layering the lineart. Thanks, Misty. Blur the earpink a tad. <span style="">00:51 Sat Oct 22

Also - is it just me, or do the bottoms of the feet seem cut off? If you compare the old image with the new image... <span style="">01:54 Sat Oct 22

It looks like that to me too, also it looks like the lineart on the head looks doubled. O.o. Otherwise, no less than awesome! :D 01:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Honeyfern (W) Tweaked
- I changed her strpes because they were unrealistic and adde better mottles and tweaked the shading. Icethroat = OA, I tweaked it, and now I tweaked it again., 23:22, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink. 11:27, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Much better! Could you darken the whole thing a tad though so she's more light brown than cream? Andmaybe ad another stripe or two the the very top of the shoulder/back, it looks kind of empty there.Also, I think the earpink is dark enough Silvereye, but it does need to be brightened and maybe defined a bit. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:37, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Add more shading onto the tail. 19:44, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Define the mottles on the tail, face, and forelegs. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 00:54, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wait wait wait isn't mottled with spots? If so add some to make it more....uniquie. Also darken the stripes. 00:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Unique? This IS mottled. This HAS spots. No, I'm not ading more, I'm not changing the mottles or the stripes. 14:55, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Honeyfern was on the tweak list for her stripes... In fact, this charart wasn't on the list at all. I call shenanigans! Chararts need to be on the tweak list to be tweaked or redone so everyone knows why they need to be tweaked and can contest the claim if they wish. 16:10, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Also, as it appears this is basically a redo (the base color, stripes, ear-pink, and dapples have changed, only leaving the eyes the same) this needs to have been on the list for a week before you even reserved it, which I see you didn't.. Icestorm, you haven't reserved either of the images on here! You're a lead, you can't go around ignoring the rules you are supposed to inforce. 16:20, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, relax. The world isn't going to end. Honeyfern should have been put. Her base color is the same, parts of the shading was erased and added back on, and I SAID I changed the Y stripes and the dapples. I did reserve them, I'm forgetful but I finally did. This has been up for three days and no one has had a problem about it. The world sin't ending. 16:28, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I have a problem when those in charge won't follow the rules they are meant to help enforce. No, the world isn't going to end, but don't try to make trivial your own follies. The base does not look the same to me. The previous had more of an dark brown tint, where this looks more tan. And I looked through the history, Honeyfern's kit image is on there, but her warrior image hasn't been in the last two weeks. 16:32, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not to butt in, but they seem like highlights to me and they look a lot better than they were before. It's Icy's image to tweak. And there's a lot of ways you can tweak images without redoing them. :P 16:39, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

You know what, everyone just shut the hell up and grow up. It's a damn image. Who cares if Icey tweaked it? Shellheart, you're not a lead, so I would like it if you stopped. You've been nothing but bossy since becoming a warrior. Just drop it, and move on. For crying out loud, this happens every time Icey redoes/tweaks an image. You're just mad because she's done something you don't like. 16:50, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

In what ways have I been bossy? I know full well I'm not a lead, and I don't complain on every one of Icestorm's images .Just this one and Crookedstar's, and I've had good reason to both times. I'm so sorry I expect the rules to be followed! And, for the record, I'm absolutely fine with how the image looks, I think it's pretty. 16:54, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

How are you not bossy? Who cares that the image hasn't been on the whole two weeks? You've done a few images that haven't been on the list for two weeks. 16:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

The rule only applies for redos, not tweaks. And Honeyfern wasn't on the list at all when she put this up.

But you know what? Whatever. Fine, ignore the rule. I won't argue anymore if you guys think that I'm trying to be a "mini-lead" by expecting rules to be followed by everyone. 17:02, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously guys? Another stupid arguement over a damn image? Come on. If you think it should be redone/tweaked, you do it. Isn't that what tweaking is all about? Making an image look better? And that's exactly what Icestorm is trying to do. Shellheart, just comment on what needs to be done. This project is for commenting on art to be approved or made better, not a debate on ''how. ''Take your arguements away from the image please. It's not like Icestorm is breaking the Wiki Code, she's just doing what needs to be done. You think we have time to put every image needing tweaking on the list? Some are those that people don't even get to. Darken the shading on the front right paw. 20:06, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well said, Splashy. That's exactly what this project is for. Back in the old days, things like this would never happen... Dull the highlights (or whatever you use in place of them). 20:12, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Halftail (W) ~ Tweaked
Ok, so the original artist was Nightfall, and it was said that he needed patchy fur even as a warrior, plus it needs to match the elder I did as the colors didn't match. I took all the colors I used from his elder image, and again, thickened the stripes and shading. So, comments? 23:36, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Wow good job! maybe darken the shading on the patches 23:47, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think he was described with patches of fur missing as a warrior. If they said "patchy fur" they might have meant that he has patches of different colored fur. 13:46, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

No, usually it means patches of fur missing. This should stay up. this is what Patchy fur has always meant, and plenty of chararts got patches of fur missing when they were described with patchy fur. And usually it's only elders that are described like that, so I'm pretty sure this is what it meants. Redden the earpink a bit. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:44, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but that's not the only way patchy can be interpreted. Patchy can mean messy or it could mean that he has patches of different colored fur. It doesn't have to mean he's missing patches of fur. And where in Bluestar's Prophecy does it say he's got patchy fur as a warrior, anyway? 22:20, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. True, "patchy fur" can be interpreted in a number of ways, but here we define it as patches of fur missing. If it is messy fur, often say something specific, like Tanglewhisker or Thistleclaw. Different color of fur is often described as "patches of ginger" specifically pointing out the color. I can always erase the patchy fur, but this still needs to match his elder version. 22:44, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. Nice job. 16:57, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Good job. Redden the patches and also maybe add one to the face? It always seems like everybody lays off the face...sometimes. 00:49, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The skin color is the one I used for the elder image...and I'm not sure if people want me to keep the patchy fur or not with his warrior image. So I'm going to leave it for now. :P 16:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fuzzypelt (E) - Redone
I got permission to redo this. Don't worry, I'm gonna hold back on the redoing for my next couple images. :P I've been slightly obsessed with just tweaking images lately, so I've just got to post the ones that I redid that are sitting on my comp now. XD Anyways, his lineart needed to be redone, it was just too..... poofy. No offence to the OA. The earpink needed to be smaller, he needed to be lightened ever so slightly, and his highlights needed to be darkened. OA was Darkhallows I think. And the limit was moved up to 25 today, so this IS under the limit. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, great lineart you got there :P maybe make some tufts smaller & bigger, and make some of the fur actually stand up? (not all of them though) Also move some of the fur closer and faraway cause it loks like theres always the same amount of space between them.You dont really hav to do this though, since I cant find anything else wrong :3 01:27, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, the fur's supposed to be like that. I made it like that on purpose, it didn't really look fuzzy otherwise. Just poofy and fluffy. And that's what I was trying to fix in redoing this. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:37, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Sorry bout that. Its just that in his description he has "fur that stands on end" and I tried to imagine him....looking like that XD So, yep. Great image by the way 01:47, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Good, enlargen the ear pink and redden it, it would go better with the pelt. 00:50, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I reddened it, but if I enlarge it, it will touch the lineart. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:40, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Loudbelly (E) - Redone
Decided to do a solid, plus I like his name xD He needed to be longhaired, OA was Sandstar12, Bramble, and Nightfall101 (I'm guessing the latter tweaked this). And YES, I used highlights for this so he would match his elder. Comments for improvement? 01:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Great job Ivystripe! ^^ Well since you used highlights in this, could you either brighten or add the highlights on the face? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:52, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded thanks ^^ And I hope it's placed correctly, as I'm kind of in new territory with highlight placement. 01:58, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

They look fine to me. Blur the earpink. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 01:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I like his name too. xD Define the earpink just a teensy bit. 12:15, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It may just be my eyes, but I think there is blurred lineart on the back and head. And blur the haunch highlight. 12:32, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

That is just your head, no blurring was done on the lineart layer. 14:35, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry Ivy. 16:56, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Great. Darken the shading on the head to make the shading flow together more. 00:52, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded and Sandstorm, I don't see what you mean about the shading "flowing together". It's blurred and in the correct lighting places. 04:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ice (R) ~ Tweaked
Just tweaked the shading. OA was Honeyfur with a small tweak by Ivystripe. Comments? 15:50, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Could you blur and redden the earpink? Also, I think I've heard it mentioned a couple times that we were gonna tweak him to have claws like Scourge and Bone. Could you do that? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:01, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Was he shown with a collar in the manga? Cause how did he get a colar if he was a rogue and not a kittypet at all? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 16:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

The rogues with the collars are BloodClan cats, unless otherwise stated. 16:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangular too. 16:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Will do, but I'm not adding claws. I remember no such conversation stating that all BloodClan cats needed dog-tooth claws. Anyway, Scourge and Bone were the only ones mentioned with the claws. 19:00, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. This looks pretty much like a redo at this point... the only things the same are the eyes and lineart. Sorry! Is that okay? It didn't originally look much like his other charart anyway. 19:10, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oakfur (W) ~ Tweaked
Woo! I'm a warrior! *waves arms and dances madly* XD Anyway... OA was Bramble and I adjusted the shading. 19:21, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit. 22:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. 22:58, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Re-Uploaded Shadewing - The ear-pinks from the original image so I won't touch that unless somebody else says I should. 10:12, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Crowfeather (W) - Redone
I couldn't tweak the old version, I just had to redo it. All the images have highlight problems if you ask me :p The artists range from Sandstar12, to Bramble, to Nightshine, and I think tweaked by Moonflight later on. 19:56, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Crowfeather! So pretty. Lighten the entire thing and blur the edges of the shading, and lighten the ear pink. 20:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

If you do remember the rules, you are not allowed to redo things without permission. This should be declined, but hoinestly i dont care for this one. But if it happens again its declined. 22:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Who's permission? I couldn't tweak this one. It said the shading needed redone, and how was I supposed to do that without messing anything up? I couldn't do anything to the old image that needed to be taken care of like the blotchy highlights and shading. In my point of view, it should've been on the redone section rather then tweaking. 00:16, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

In any case, it should be lightened. He looks black. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="black" >Sky- Stop right there criminal <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="Orange"> scum! 00:50, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, who cares? It's a solid cat. It's not like she redid, say, Spottedleaf or something, who's character has such a complex description. There's no reason to ask to redo a solid cat. The only thing you need to do right at this moment, is lighten it, as Sky suggested. 01:00, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 01:08, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and blur the ear pink. 01:10, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a whole lot. 03:34, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Windflight(E) - tweaked
now onto the senior citizen version! (fixed shading)

OA=Minnowclaw - 22:50, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Blur the earpink. 22:57, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Ya want me to do what now? (Fixed SHADING) xD - 23:00, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shoulder shading a bit. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:54, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Try match stripes with warrior image, more Leaf-storm,8:53,October 23,2011 (UTC)

lolwhut? Im just tweaking this, Leafstorm XD Oh, and shadings already blurred to the max - 16:06, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Harespring(W) - Tweaked
More comin' from your truly, OA=Echomist and I added some shading - 23:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I actually put this on the tweak list and didn't mean to. I meant HareFLIGHT. I changed it last night I think. *cough*Fail on my part, sorry*cough* XD But I think Harespring DID need his shading darkened so I guess this would still need to be tweaked. XD But anyays, lighten the shading ever so slightly so the white doesn't look so gray. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

How do you tweak these images and make them so wonderful? I personally, cannot. Blur the shading near the neck a little. 00:12, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Niceee. The shading makes the brown part on the back a bit gray, can you fix that? 14:53, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Grasspelt (W) ~ Redone
Needed to be redone as a long hair. OA is Bramble, I do believe. 04:00, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

This is beautiful. Darken the shading along the back. 10:08, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 14:39, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller and blur the shading. 14:52, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

The image looks odd... If you look at Harespring's, above, it looks more... taller? I don't know, but there's something wrong with this lineart. 19:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

If the changes don't show, the image kind of stretches itself out. The changes I guess are in the file history ^ Blur the tail shading a little. 19:33, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 20:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Could you define the ear-pink towards the top of his ear? It looks like a circle. 21:08, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I hate ear pink. Re-uploaded. 21:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Stoneteller (OTS) (CG) ~ Redone
Redone with Iceheart's permission. I <3 doing mudstreaks. 04:33, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Make the mud a tad more visible, possibly adding mottles to it. There is some waste underneth his body by his paws but not under them. 04:37, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not adding mottles to him. This is how I make my mudstreaks (ie; Wing Shadow Over Water's images). And I had a derp moment and forgot the ear pink. 14:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

re-uploaded. 14:37, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Damn girl. This is amazing. Darken the tail shading a tad. 14:51, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 20:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fallowtail (Q) - Redone
I don't like this for some reason but oh well. OA was Nightfall tweaked by Sandstar and it needed to be long-haired. 11:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice. Blur the highlighhts. 16:31, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 16:47, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Bluestar (D) - Tweaked
First tweaked charart! Anyways, the OA was either Night shine, Mumble785, or Bramble. She needed a torn ear. 14:52, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job! Looks like there's a little white pixel below the tear. 17:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think I fixed it. 20:15, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Redwillow (W) - Redone
Gross color. Gross image. Ew. Comments? 15:09, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not reserved beforehand, needs to be declined. 16:22, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It won't be declined. I reserved him, I'm forgetful, thanks for asking. 16:26, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It still wasn't reserved before you took him on, Ice. I like your chararts, I really do, but you're "forgetting" the rules. 16:28, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

But now he is. It's fine, I'm not going to again. I know the rules, thanks, and before you even make a comment about me should knowing them better, I'm just going to say, don't even dare. 16:31, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

o.o ... Anyways, put less shading on the top of the tail. Good job. 18:02, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Shellhearts right. This should be declined because of the rule we all agreed on. But i dont really care that this was redone so lets keep it anyway. Blur the smudging. 18:51, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I redid it, and no one whined at me. Honestly, you couldn't work with the old image. It was impossible. Darken the shading. 19:48, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think you guys just dislike Icestorm :P Define the shading on the paws. 20:12, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Swallowtail (RC) (E) - Redone
I have permision now, don't worry :). Original artist was Bramble, shading needed tweaking and stripes needed to match the warriors :D . Comments?  Elorisa   19:56, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the earpink and blur the smudges :3 20:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I personally like the smudges. The make him look furry, which is brilliant to me. I think you should just enlarge the ear-pink a bit. 20:32, October 23, 2011 (UTC)