Warriors Wiki:Community Portal/Reporting Center/Other Issues

Chat Issues
I am very disheartened to say that I had a rather unenjoyable time in chat today. A few of my fellow colleaugues from a separate wiki came into your chat today. In my opinion, we were rudely handelled by the chat moderators and other users. They claimed that we were breaking wiki chat rules, however, I have proof of instances in the form of screenshots that present a member of your wiki testifying that you do not normally enforce these rules on a common basis. It was disrespectful and unnecessary to be so strict about rules that are not commonly enforced. I will upload screenshots if it is necessary as soon as I get a chance to be on a PC. I am on an iPad, and am currently unable to upload them. I would suggest either taking time to look at and rewrite some of your chat rules, or having a training session for chat moderators to better understand the difference between merely enforcing rules and being derugatory in enforcing them. Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope it gets to the proper authorities of the wiki. Have a nice day! :)

04:54, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry you're unhappy with the wiki. I'm not a chat mod. I'm sorry if I'm not doing what I'm supposed to and letting more senior members handle this. But can I just say that every wiki functions differently? We (the wikis, and the wiki members) all have different rules people are expected to follow. And I think that when you talk like this about our wiki's rules, you're being disrespectful to us because you say our chat rules are unnecessary and stupid and et cetra stuff like that. So, maybe this chat is different from the one you're used to? Maybe read the chat rules and get farmiliar with our policies instead of coming here and writing what you did. It would help. Our chat runs perfectly fine, if you follow the rules, which a lot of users here do. I don't think we need to rewrite our chat rules just because they aren't your preference. Other peoples' opinions matter too. My opinion is, the rules don't need to be changed, people juts need to understand and follow them. The chat mods of this wiki are a really great group of users. They are mature, they can handle things well, they're responsible, they have really good qualities which makes them really good staff. Sure, they can be funny, or joke around, and not be serious at times, but they're allowed to be that way. They don't have to be strict all the time. The screenshots might help us understand a little more about what exactly you're talking about. But you should always read the rules before entering a chatroom, so I don't really know what you're complaining about here. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 18:00, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Argyos: I'm sorry that you had such a poor experience, and would like very much to see your screenshots (you can email them to me at admin@kitsufox.com if that's simplest for you). I'm interested in figuring out exactly what happened and addressing whatever issues may be at the root. I also would like to apologize for the way the holidays ate me and the delays in turning my attention to this issue. 17:19, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

[STAFF OUTREACH] ~ Day of Editing?
Okay, this is something that I've been considering for quite a while now, and I've brought it up before to 'teldy and the others, but I've gone on deaf ears. Now that we have the reporting center, we can /use/ it for things like this.

So, I propose that one of these days, on one decided by the admins/staff/ect, that we shut off the chat for one whole day to promote editing on the wiki. I know this might come across as a little harsh, since so many of us use the chat for means of communication, but I honestly think there are some who take this chat for granted, and they do not realize that it can very easily be shut off with the click of a switch on the Admin Dashboard.

So, I propose that we shut off the chat, perhaps on a day during the weekend, for an entire 24 hours. After all, we're an encyclopedia-like wiki, so, that doesn't mean we need a chat system. It would be nice to go back to the older days, where people willingly edited, instead of being threatened with chat bans if they don't.

Comments, everyone? Not just staff can comment, I'd think, since there are a lot of users who aren't staff whose opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I heavily support this idea. It might clear up all the issues with other users being forced to edit- they'll either learn to edit or they'll leave, realizing that this Wiki is not a social website. Not many people realize how lucky they are to have chat, I am sometimes guilty about that, I'll admit. Also, the weekend editing day idea would indeed be a wise idea, since as far as I know, people don't do much except chat. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that is how I imagine everybody on this Wiki on a weekend. It may seem harsh, yes, but it will be beneficial for the Wiki itself. -- 20:34, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I must say that this is a very good idea. I don't edit nearly as much as I should, and the same goes for other users as well. If we all had a day where the distraction of chat didn't exist, it would be good for everyone. --&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:EmmatheFoxwing/sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 20:36, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Skye. Chat is a privilege, not a right. Therefore, it isn't compulsory. As you said, we're an encyclopedia and the chat is just something for users to socialize with others. Now, I wasn't here in the older days, but I bet that it was a lot easier to get users to edit, since the chat didn't exist. Shutting down chat seems harsh, but I feel like it's needed to get the message to newer users.

Plus, I really need to work on my own horrible editcount...x.x --  Sh   oo   n  Gutt ered

20:43, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Perhaps on a holiday when no one wants to edit or work? Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 21:07, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think that this is a wonderful idea, quite often I see users in chat that haven't edited in a week or so and they show no effort to edit, I support this idea 100% 23:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think the thought and intention of this is good, but I really don't think it'd make a difference honestly. For those who don't want to edit, do you really think chat being off for just one day would make them suddenly want to edit? It's not like this is the only place online for those people to go, so they have to edit if chat's not there. If we take it down, they'll just go somewhere else, no edit, unless they already want to. In which case they should be already and taking down chat won't change anything. I honestly don't think this would make very much difference at all, despite the good intentions. 00:07, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. People hang around chat when they're bored and lazy because chat is an effortless way to waste time. Editting the wiki is work, and I highly doubt they'll want to do that. If they really wanted to do something that took effort, they'd go outside or something, not edit the wiki. And that's saying people will actually want to do something that takes effort. I'm not saying that editting the wiki isn't productive, just that if the rare chance that people actually wanted to do something that takes effort, especially if it was the people who hang around chat all day doing nothing, it probably wouldn't be editting the wiki. 01:17, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, this could be a great concept. But I'm not sure if it could work. People could just say, "Oh, I can just blow off this day. They don't KNOW that I'm not there." But I guess if people are willing, it could be a great thing. So if we can get it to work, that would just be awesome. But I'm not sure myself. 19:15 Saturday November 24 2012

I agree with Paleh. Disabling the chat for a day will just be that: disabling the chat for a day. The users on there that don't edit just won't be on for that day, and then when it's reopened they'll be right back on. It won't change a thing. 03:35, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

It might work if we put up a message as well informing people that it's editing day and that that's why the chat is locked up. I dunno. As Paleclaw said, the intention is good, but I don't know if it'll be very effective. The wiki is pretty much hibernating right now. Nothing's getting done. PB's big chapter pages project has fizzled out with little to show for the effort. Many articles are no longer up-to-date because no one can be arsed to fill out the Yellowfang's Secret section. The only project that seems to still be running at full speed right now is PCA, and that project isn't even integral to the point of the wiki.

It's been bugging me, but I haven't complained because I figure we'll just work at a sporadic rate and hibernate until DotC starts up.

But my point is this: everyone is slacking these days. About a year ago, PB's chapters thing would have been done within a month, tops, and the book sections on character pages would have been filled out completely within a week of the release of the book. Right now, not so much. I don't necessarily think it's a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. (meandering statement over) 06:04, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. I agree with Shelly, that some users aren't doing as much as they should, or as much as they used to, but everyone needs a break. There's no need to single out PB, all the projects aren't getting as much attention as they should. I'm not saying we should put off the projects, and I'm not saying the project leaders and members aren't doing a good job. I'm just saying that everyone knows this wiki isn't what it was like back in... even early 2012. You know it's not summer anymore for some of us, and we're all back to working. Sometimes life gets in the way of doing what you want, and there's really nothing you can do.

Anyway, I support this idea. I really like the concept and I think it's a really good... just, a good way to make the wiki more... I don't know. Just make it better. When should we have a one day of editing? Every year? Every month? Every two months? We should announce how we're doing it and when. The idea needs a little work, but Cloudskye did a great job explaining it and bringing it to life. I also agree with Paleh. Some users come here just for the chat. And some users might proceed to vandalize pages, and do other crap if chat gets shut off. We need a way to "get around" all the user complaints if we're going to make this happen. We can't make them want to edit. We can't. So... we need to do some more thinking on this, if it's really going to happen. All I can say is, this is just my opinion, and I think I'm done here. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 18:08, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I love this idea. In fact, I love it so much, I'd love to see it become a monthly thing if the first one works out well. We may not be able to make them want to edit, Stormy, but at least we can remind them that the point of the wiki is editing. If users vandalize pages... well... We'll deal with them. In fact, I'll volunteer to set the first one on one of my non-D&D saturdays, so that I can be on call all day to deal with anything that Crops up. I'll also offer to make a pretty graphic for the top of the mainpage to explain why our chat isn't there :) 17:25, January 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow, thanks Kit. o.o  I'm still up for this, and would really like to see this go through. Kit is absolutely right when she says that we can't force a user to edit, but at least we can get the point across. We may have the edit restriction in place, but there are still people who take the chat for granted... It'll happen everywhere. Hell, I think the chat being off one day wouldn't just benefit the wiki, but benefit people on a personal level, too.

* randomly pops in* Love this idea. The live chat isn't the most important thing around this wiki, while it may be important to others, and hopefully if there is like a day of editing, users who believe that editing isn't important might see that at least the chat isn't the main thing about WWiki. Imo, I like Kit's suggestion of this being a monthly thing. ;3

I swear I already posted on here.... Anywho!~ I love the idea~ There have been some users who joined and only sit in the chat all day. Even with the chat restriction, they can meet the edit count and then never do anything. I do like the idea of it being monthly. Great idea, Kit~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:01, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

I still don't think this would help anything. All it's going to do is keep users away for the day it's happening, and they'll come straight back when it's over to once again sit in the chat and do nothing. 16:28, January 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do you think it would keep users away for the day? The idea is the put the focus on editing, rather than the chat, for a change. Why would no chat mean that people interested in editing (what the day is intended to encourage) not come? 16:30, January 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't mean the users that want to edit would keep away, but the ones that are just sitting there. That's pretty much what happened with the chat restriction. Some of them spammed edits to get the edit count (and then sat in the chat some more), and others haven't been seen since. Those users should be discouraged from using the wiki as a social site, but just a day of no editing will neither keep them from using the wiki as such nor encourage them to edit. It's a neat idea and all, but I don't think it's going to be a miracle cure solution. 16:40, January 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * You seem to have misunderstood what's being proposed... It's a day in which we turn the chatroom off. It's not a magic bullet, you are right there, but it would be a day that shines a spotlight on editing. A way to celebrate those who edit by giving them a day devoted entirely to contribution. 17:02, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

[STAFF OUTREACH] Formal Friendship with Survivors Dogs Wiki?
Today a member of Survivor Dogs Wiki contacted me asking if we would be interested in what they called an "Alliance" but I would consider a partnership/friendship/Sister Sites setup. I'd like to see what various staff members think about formalizing this and bringing it up for a formal vote. 22:11, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me, though that wiki is still new and could use some work. Similarly, perhaps we could reach out to a Seekers wiki and become an Erin Hunter trifecta. 17:11, January 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I like the idea of this, and it would help us with the concept that we're not a wiki for Seekers or Survivors, that they have their own homes. 20:57, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. I believe this is the most active Seekers wiki that I've come across, and one of our own members is a sysop there. So, perhaps we could try that one?

I like this idea. :3 Seems only right that we should be in some sort of alliance with the wikis for the other Erin books. *nods* 01:22, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

[COMMUNITY OUTREACH] File Naming Conventions
Since this was archived without a conclusion, I'm bringing up again as a community thing rather than just admin. So here we go again.

I'd like to suggest formal file naming conventions for personal images and project images, rather than just PCA images, along with an edit to the MediaWiki:Uploadtext page, listing the new file naming conventions for anybody uploading an image to see. Failure to comply with them would result in their file being deleted, which would be clearly stated on the upload page. I've made an example here, listing the suggested naming conventions for each type of file. Any past images will be renamed, or if they're a personal image of an inactive user, tagged for deletion, or deleted.

I think this would help a bit with organization, as well as make it easier to spot and sort out when a user has uploaded more than one personal image. Will also make it a bit easier to identify what images are used in the projects, as some are simply images anyone could, and has, upload/ed, as some are a bit hard to tell at first glance without looking where it's linked.

So let me know what you guys think! Suggested this over half a year ago, so I'd really like to get this rolling this time around. 05:11, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I sounds like a good idea to me. I don't see why not to. 05:18, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I really like this idea - it'll be a lot easier to trach down unneeded files if we have this in place. 05:27 Sat Jan 19

The only potential challenge I see is the bulk of images that would need to be moved to make this happen. Which in the end is a minor concern. 14:52, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

True, but the majority of them actually honestly need to be marked for deletion. I've been through the file list on the wiki a couple times, and it looks like about 80% of the images are actually from inactive users, or just plain useless now. So they really need to be marked anyways. That will be a slight challenge sorting through them all and renaming them, but I think we could get it done without much hassle if most people pitch in a bit. 01:19, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why is inactivity grounds for deletion of a perfectly acceptable image? We shouldn't be deleting the images of people who are using their one. We don't have a space limit. It's also a waste of staff time to patrol for inactive users's images. 01:22, January 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, if they're not going to be on the wiki anymore, why should they have a personal image? It's just going to sit there and take up space that could be used for a contributive matter. Honestly, I see no need for an inactive user to even posses a personal image. They're not around, so why does it matter?