Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Gallery Back Covers - Silver Nomination
I got all the books. All I need to do is rename the images to fit the Book Covers. 01:39, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Looks great! I actually nominated it bronze today and was hoping to make it silver, but you did better than what I could have done! 03:05, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's funny. I saw that it on the project page in the chart, and was about to change it, then I saw you already did. :3 03:30, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah! :P 20:43, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :D 15:44, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Should we be adding in Crookedstar's Promise (and the SkyClan ones, for that matter), since it comes out next week? And are these the back covers for the hardcover editions? Because the one I have for Outcast is different.  Law liet  Me ow 22:01, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we should add those in anyway. There must be different versions of the back cover. Can you try to find a picture of the back cover you have online? Then we can see if Moonflight should add that in. 02:24, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

There must be two versions. Some versions have a book summery and others have a list of books. Some books have one, some have the other, and some might have both. So, we'll each have to search our books and scan them if necessary. 02:28, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

SquirrelFlame, this is the one that I have. I get most of my books in paperback, so I think they vary from the hardcovers. I can go through and check mine if I have to (since I have all the books up to Crookedstar's Promise, which I'll get sometime this week).  Law liet  Me ow 01:03, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. You check through yours, and see if they're the same. If not, you can add it in. 17:40, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, a lot of mine already match what is up there, aside from one or two paperbacks. But, it doesn't really bother me. 00:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I've looked, and this is missing a few covers. It's missing the one for Crookedstar's Promise and also the new SkyClan manga, The Rescue. What's going on with this? Is it still being worked on? 06:23, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

If not, I can take over. But let's wait for a day or two more. 18:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, it's been two days. Squirrel, if you want this, you make take it. 15:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go about fixing it. 19:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I've been trying to get the back covers from the internet, but Crookedstar's Promise and The Rescue are fairly new books, so I can't get them. Help? 16:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I found alternate versions for quite a few of the books, so where should I put them? Right nest to the other version? 17:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you can find the Harper Collins browse inside for them, then you should be able to screen shot it, and crop it to size. For alternate versions I would suggest that the main version should be the US edition (as with the front covers) and any alternates (eg. softcover, UK1, UK2) should be put under foreign language, or perhaps a new section entitled 'English alternate'. The question is: should the hardcover or softcover version be seen as the main version? 17:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should use the hardcover ones. After all, those are the ones that first came out, and often enough, the ones that people have. I know from Sunrise on, I have all hardcover, and all of the Super Editions I have are hardcover as well. 17:25, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

We need to fully figure out which covers are for which edition, and lay it down, because it's confusing me. 17:30, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point. I have a rough time figuring out which ones are which, myself. However, it's not something I'm good at, so, Sandy, can you help us out a bit? 17:34, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I have a rough idea of which are the hardcovers and paperbacks. For example, for Midnight, the hardcover is this, and the paperback is this. Am I right? 17:38, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd have said the other way around myself... I can tell you with all certainty that of the ones on the page as it stands, ITW through Starlight are the US paperback versions. So ideally, these need replacing with the hardcover versions and then the paperback versions need moving to the bottom of the page alongside the UK versions. If possible it would be nice to get some more UK versions, both UK1 and UK2 as there are two editions, plus maybe some for other languages. I know Helice uploaded some French ones, but if possible we could try and get the Chinese or German versions etc. I think the main priority needs to be to get the US hardcover versions in place where possible for all releases up to this point. Then the page should be good enough for silver grade. I think getting foreign covers is gold grade work, personally. (: 18:15, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, got it. I'm going to be uploading a lot of images. This is the first time I feel as if I'm actually contributing to PB! :P I have the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise and I'm going to upload it on soon. 18:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone check to make sure I named the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise right? And also if I did the right stuff on the Gallery page? Also, I looked on HarperCollins for the back cover of the hardcover version of Into the Wild, but it matches the one already on there, so is that already hardcover? 18:31, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, since no one answered my question, I did what I could. Comments? 02:01, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry about that. Anyways, the back cover should be named "BK-SE-4". I'm sure you can ask Misty or one of the others to change it, or reupload it underneath that file name, and delete the other. Also, you need the back of CP without the dust cover. The back of SkyClan #1 is missing. Is there an alternate for Dawn? And, also, the alternate hardcover and paperback ones are bothering me. I have a paperback version, with the same back as the "hardcover" version. Okay, I'm done now. XD 02:14, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Done, I asked Mistystar to rename everything and she did. Sorry to keep bothering you guys, but how do I get the back cover underneath the dustcover for Crookedstar's Promise? And for the SkyClan one, both the back covers are there, so what do you mean? I'm still looking for the Dawn alternate though. 19:23, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, found the Dawn alternate. 19:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oi. Should have been more descriptive. SkyClan manga #1, I meant. The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes have had paperback volumes released, so remember to grab those in your spare time as well. I'm not sure how to get 'em on there though, because that's not my strong point... 00:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I'm so good at this... The Rescue doesn't have a Browse Inside yet, or at least I think so. So I can't get the back cover of that. And I can't find the paperback versions of The Fourth Aprentice or Fading Echoes either. Can anyone point me to a useful link or something? ☀  S q  u  i  r  r  e  l  F  l  a  m  e  2  9 ☀   Finally   Cooling   it   Down  19:34, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Link for the paperback browse inside for TFA. You can take a screen shot of the back cover. Link for paperback browse inside for Fading Echoes. I can't find one for The Rescue, but I'm going to buy the book tomorrow, so if you can wait, I can upload you a scanned back. =) 03:05, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you make me look stupid. I can't believe I didn't check HarperCollins! :P And thanks a ton, for offering to get me a scanned back! :) ☀  S q  u  i  r  r  e  l  F  l  a  m  e  2  9 ☀   Finally   Cooling   it   Down  21:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It happens. I just happened to be checking out HarperCollins anyways. Also, I preordered The Rescue today, and should have it by next week. So, if you don't find a back by then, let me know, and I'll still scan it for you. =) 02:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon - Silver Nomination
I think I did a pretty good job with Sign of the Moon, what do you guys think? I think it's summarized fairly well. 01:04, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, but the Plot Summary should be expanded, and it needs a publication list. Also, take a look at the cliffnotes, as they need to be finsihed. =)  Law liet  Li ght 01:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it could certainly be expanded. I think you should add more references to the trivia and add another cover to the gallery. I think there's an e-book or something. 02:46, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

So, all the other links need to be ready before the main article can be ready? 13:58, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

E-books don't need covers; none of the books have them in the galleries. E-books just need to be in the publication list. 16:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Right, I knew that! ;) But, yes. I'm pretty sure that the other links need to be ready before it can be nominated. 17:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they do. 16:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on that in a little bit (I'm not feeling well right now) so I just thought I'd let you know. But shouldn't it be at least bronze, not "started"? 20:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the main article is good enough to be bronze right now. I'll go change that. 22:30, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Can the summary be expanded just a little bit? 00:17, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ivystripe? Are you still working on this? If not, I'll have to let someone else claim this. 06:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The author and cover artist need citing. Is there also a jacket designer? I assume this was released in hardback and would therefore potentially have one. The publication list also needs citations before this can become silver. These are all relatively small fixes. I'd do them myself, but I don't have the book. I also wanted to point out that anyone can work on this no matter who nominated it. No one can 'claim' or 'reserve' a book page... 21:27, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, since Ivy's not working on this, I'll take it over from here. I'll go and cite all of that now. It was released in hardback, I know, because I have it. 14:51, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The paragraphs look kind of short and choppy. Can you combine them a little? 20:04, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Give me a bit, and I'll work on this. 20:06, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I cited some of the trivia and finished the cliffnotes. 17:02, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Icey. =) I'll finish up the summary now. 17:13, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm slowly fixing this up. If anyone feels they need to add anything in, be my guest. 04:13, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise ~ Silver Nomination
Yes, I know it's not done yet. I'm claiming it for myself, though, since it's been a while since I've nominated anything. 21:28, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

You might already be working on this - but cite the trivia. 15:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just letting you know I'll have this done after I finish up SotM. =) 20:43, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. 17:57, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I can't work on this and Sign of the Moon, as well as manage real life issues. If someone wants this, be my guest. 15:36, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

HAI. I'll continue this after I'm finished with The Rescue =) 16:45, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Thanks, Icey. 21:05, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Rescue ~ Silver Nomination
So yeah.....like Crookedstar's Promise, it's not done yet. I'm gonna fix it up, so this is basically a reservation. xD 02:11, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Is there any trivia? 15:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add it soon.....sorry for not working on this a lot. 02:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Rainey. Sometimes people just get busy. Work on it when you can. =) 02:39, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe I'm doing this but............I'm giving up on this nomination. I don't have time to work on this. If anyone wants to take over, that would be great. If not, then either me or Cloudy will archive it. So......anybody want this nomination? 14:30, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'd take it, but I have my hands full, and I don't get the book until later this week. If someone else wants it, they can have it. Hmm... Squirrel, Ice or Misty, do you want it? 20:17, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I would, but I'm not getting the book until "approximately 95 days" according to the library, so someone else can. :P 03:03, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Nice....xD 03:15, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Holy crap. Tell y'all what, if no one wants this by the time I get my copy, then I'll take it. 03:19, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'll get this. Of course, Imma have to order this...so it may take a long time. xD 19:32, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I got the book, Ice. If you don't want to do it, I can. I'm going to drop CP anyways... I can't do a super edition. Too much work... >.> *ish somewhat lazy* 15:35, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

I have the book, too =) I'll start on it now (and I'll do CP if you wish, young 'un. xD) 16:44, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Young 'un? I'm OLDER THEN YOU. If you want it, you can have it. 21:04, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hehe. >:D I'm so evil. Yeah, there's no trivia but I filled in the last chapter of the cliffnotes. 21:15, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can you extend the cliffnotes, Icey? Please. =) 21:23, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Oyus. Oyes. >:3 21:28, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Images for Book Templates
Yeah, y'all know what I'm talking about. You know when you click on a book article and that shows up. Well, I noticed that two of the short stories are missing images. After Sunset: The Right Choice? and The Elders' Concern. What I was thinking, was that since AS:TRC focus around Brambleclaw, we could use that. And for TEC, we could possibly use Dappletail. So, any ideas, comments or concerns? 14:50, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe for TEC, we could do a collabration of all the elders featured in the story together? (Like...er...the couple userboxes, something like that) 17:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. Or, we could go back into the book where it supposedly takes place, and figure out which one was the most concerned about it, and place them in the template. 18:02, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, yes. But I like the collabration idea better. 18:04, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but how would we go about making an image like that? And first, we'd have to find out who was involved. I don't have the app, so I can't read it. 18:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like Icestorm's idea. Anyone who has the app, please list which characters are in TEC. 08:08, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Halftail, Dappletail, Smallear, Patchpelt and One-eye are the elders. It doesn't really focus around one elder, rather all five of them together. 14:47, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Then is there a way to make an image with all of them together, AND make it look good? I may try something, but I can't promise it'll be good. 20:10, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try, if you want? You're going to have to make it smaller when you insert it in the template, though. xD So could I? 19:30, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sure Ice. Take a wack at it. I've got my hands full anyways. And for once, it's not computer related. 17:41, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

You could always just take their Warrior charart and have them kind of lined up, it'd almost be like they were at the leader's call and they are looking up at the Highrock. 21:43, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, The Elders' Concern is kind of mainly about Fireheart, even though he doesn't actually appear, since the plot is about his deputy ceremony. I suggest using his deputy charart. 17:36, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, good choice. I didn't know that, you see, because I haven't read the short story. Hmm... Maybe that's a better choice. 17:38, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

SkyClan's Destiny - Silver Nomination
Yes. I don't think I'm allowed to do this, but I'm going to give it a shot. I finished up the plot summary, and I'm working on the cliffnotes right now, so this is basically a reservation 19:29, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Cliffnotes are done! =) Comments? 20:35, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! Can you find anymore praises though? 10:23, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

No 17:03, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Looks awesome! Can you add a publication list? 17:30, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

There was a Russian edition released, so that should have a cover in the gallery. 19:36, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks Mistystar! I don't know how to add the publication list though...I'll try, but if I fail epicly, I'll inform you guys. xD 02:26, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

As long as I'm lead, you'll be allowed to reserve articles. It just means that this is your first priority. I have NO problems with it whatsoever. Now, back to the article. Looks good, and if you need help with the Publication List, just ask. 15:45, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, never mind. The Russian edition wasn't released yet, but it will be released by the end of this year. 20:11, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

How about we wait until it's released and then add it in? Unless someone knows the exact date it'll be released............ xD 16:55, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Cloudy: I thought I wasn't allowed to do it considering it was the content drive. :P Anyways...yeah...kinda need help with the Publication List. :P 16:56, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 18:14, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Icey, I'm glad people reserve articles. It proves they want to do something with the page. Also, Publication list looks good, Squirrel. Thanks. 21:03, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I couldn't find was if there's an audio book or not. 22:08, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

According to this page there is a hardcover, paperback and e-book out. I don't see anything for an audio version yet. 22:38, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

The plot summary is very very long, I'd shorten it a bit. Compare it with the summaries on other articles, e.g. Firestar's Quest or Into the Wild. We should not get lost in details - that's what Cliffnotes are for (that are a bit short, especially towards later chapters). 13:30, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Elders' Concern ~ Silver Nomination
Since we're allowed to do reservations, and I've finally found the way to read the App without having it, I'll nominate this one, too. I'm not done with pretty much anything, but I promise to work on it. 18:28, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

This one needs a lot of work, since its Main page is completely empty, and so is its cliffnotes...it'll take a while. 18:41, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

How'd you get to read the App without having it? O.o 04:13, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

lol. I found a website that has all the info, word for word, and everything in the app. Its in the external links. It doesn't have pictures, but, well, its better than nothing! xD 15:51, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Icestorm, for expanding the cliffnotes for me. :D I expanded it more, and added a lot to the summary. I cited the author and publication date. Comments? 20:41, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Where was actually confirmed that Victoria Holmes wrote this piece? I don't see it mentioned neither on the page you linked as reference, nor on the Warriors App info images. A stronger reference should be found. 13:30, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, good point Helice. I think that was just assumed, because it is Warriors related. If that doesn't say it on the app, then we should just remove it. I don't have the app, nor do I have an apple product (x.x;; I hate Apple), so I cannot check myself. 18:21, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't have the app, so I don't know, really. I'll check wikipedia... ` 17:39, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't find it. Can someone with the app find it? :3 21:18, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I can find is a copy of the information on the app, which is located on the OF. Now, I know Dawnwing, the person who made that post containing the information, so I know it's accurate, as she wouldn't lie, but it still doesn't tell us who wrote it. Can we put something saying we assume she wrote it, since she wrote most of the others? 21:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I guess so, since we can't find anything else. 21:31, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reservations?
Hi all. Long time no see, hope you all are OK. :)

I was randomly checking the Project talk pages, and noticed messages like "I claim this article", "I make a reservation for silver, and I'll work on it someday" "Since we're allowed to do reservations, I'll nominate this stub for silver"... excuse me?

First, as the guidelines point out, articles shall be nominated for silver (or gold) only when they are complete, with all information and references in place, and nothing (or very little) to fix. All nominations that are incomplete should be declined on the spot, and re-nominated when they are ready. There shall no be instances of "This article really needs a lot of work, and I don't even know what to do, but I'll nominate it so I could have my name on a silver nom."

Second, "reserving" an article is not only unethical, but downright against the Wikia Policies. Wiki content is the result of the hard work of dozens or hundreds of people, and no article should be treated at any point in its life cycle as the task of an individual member. Throughout the projects' history, members were not only allowed to but also encouraged to help each others with improving articles so they could attain silver grade.

I guess this all comes down to the recent tendency of several people having only self-rewards in mind. It's not like "I expand this page to silver, so all readers can have a good reference article", as it used to be. It's like "I expand this page to silver, so they could see that I have X nominations." More and more members have lists on their pages with their "achievements". Remember that most quality articles are the result of the work of dozens of contributors over months or even years, and no individual member should show off with them just for making the finishing touches.

Therefore, I propose the following (well, these are not proposals, rather reminders - they were always in place):
 * Articles shall be nominated for silver only if they are complete, and fit the descriptions in the Project Guidelines
 * No page shall be "claimed". Members can announce they are working on a certain article (to avoid edit conflicts for instance), but that shall not mean that others are restricted or discouraged to edit that page

Regards, 07:31, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Couldn't agree more with everything said here. I honestly have nothing to add, and that's saying something about the strength of Helice's argument, as I'm rarely lost for words. 21:34, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Helice, you already know my feelings about this, but I'm going to put them here for everyone else to read. I know for a fact that claiming articles for your own is against wiki policy, and it's also not right for people to be flaunting around their accomplishments like they own the world. I have said list on my own user page, as well as a subpage for my chararts. Now, I don't flaunt them around, like I've seen many people do. I only show mine because I'm proud of what I've done for the wiki. I even gave PB it's own little section, because I care more about that project then I do anything else on here.

I don't think it's good to see a user's whole namespace filled with "Oh, I made this and this for PCA." or "I nominated this and that for PC/PB/PW." if all you do is brag about it. I consider them personal accomplishments, and not something to be showing off. It just proves that you're trying to improve the wiki. At least, that's how I think it should be. I see it a lot with PCA. Some of the users have their whole page covered with charart they've done for the project. I'm guilty of that, but as I said before, it's because I'm proud I could help out the wiki.

As for the reservation of articles themselves, I take blame for this happening here. It all started when I was deputy. I tried so hard to cover my own bases, as well as Rainlegs' (sorry hun, still <3 you though), that I failed to see the downside to letting the users reserve the articles. One (if not the only) good thing about this, is that when someone reserves an article, it's letting the rest of the project know that they are going to devote their time to improving the article. I don't think it's fair if someone else does the work, but yet another user nominates it for a ranking. I only do it because I have a bad memory...and if I don't put it down somewhere that I'm working on an article, I'll forget about it, leaving it to waste.

Once again, as leader of PB, I'm sorry that it's come to this. I should have known better while I was deputy not to let this happen. My careless nature has gotten the best of me, yet again. I feel really bad about this... I really do. Okay, there's my input on this matter, not only as a member and lead of this project, but as a wiki user in general. (crap, Helice, I typed more then you did! XD) 22:30, August 14, 2011 (UTC)