Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Cast Your Vote
A vote is currently being held to determine whether or not the queen rule shall be changed or actually enforced. Go here to vote. 23:57, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

(Note: Leads, could you please leave this up until the first when the vote is finalized? I want everyone to have a chance to get their say. 00:48, September 27, 2011 (UTC))

I'll keep it up for you, Shelly. I see no reason why it shouldn't be here. 00:50, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking
Okay so i suggested before that we not redo images that need not be redone, and everyone had a little fit cause everyone wants to claim a charart as their own completly. Not happy about it, but i let it drop. But this is becoming a serious issue. I get that im not ging to get everyone to stop uneeded redoing, but I want this rule put in place. No image is to be tweak/redone at all unless the image had been on the tweaking nomination page for at least a week. That gives the leads a chance to remove it if they disagree. I dont like the while loop hole thing going on now. 05:42, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the only images I claim as my own are the ones that needed to be redone as a different pelt style, or if I was told by another lead (Rainwhisper and Frostheart both, actually), that I could keep them. I think that's fair, because they'd go through a whole critiquing process anyways. One week is sufficient enough time for a lead to decided whether or not an image should stay. I know I go though and remove images I think are fine. Some are added on there for pointless things. So what if the shading is only a smidge too dark? No one's perfect. (I re-did Mudfur because his image needed to match his description. There was no pale belly, the highlights were way too bright and the light brown wasn't a light brown.) 05:49, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea to me. Should we start dating it when we add an image? I think it would make it easier. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:54, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, can we add Runningwind to the tweaking list? His stripes look red almost, his pelt color is fine, his stripes just look red. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 15:03, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. There's been quite a few chararts re-done completely that only needed a torn ear or something similar, and that creates unnecesarry work for the entire wikia and the person doing the tweak. And, as an artist, I think that could be hurtful to the OA, to see their image completely replaced suddenly without need. 15:04, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I only redid Ashfur because someone had put him on there twice for two different things. So what if they want to claim the character "as their own", that's bull crap. And no, Runningwond looks fine to me (it's one of my favorite images on here) 15:16, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree on Runningwind. I would like to have it so that if its on the tweaking list, it gets tweaked. The only reason it can be redone is that if its on the list, or whiile its up for approval the general comunity thinks it needs to bve redone. 16:27, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree on all this, unless it's on for "shading needs to be blurred" yet it will make no difference because it's blotchy. If it's on for torn ear adding stripes, I don't think it needs to be redone. ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 20:08, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Except in the worst possible case where the image needs to be redone (who remembers the shading on the old Redstar image?), and even then, the user should ask the leads if they can do it. Some images are on the tweaking list, when they should be on the re-do list. Not all users can work with certain images. I know I need layers in order to get anything done. xD 20:11, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

At least try tweaking it. If its so impossible to work with, it will look bad, and the general community will tell you to redo it. See how the rule solves its own problems? 20:12, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Longhaired apprentice blanks
I know if they change, it will result in many being redone, but i think the longhaired apprentice blanks have a stumpy-like-tail. and they just seem weird that way. 15:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

They kind of do, but we have too many long-haired apprentices to just re-do the tail. Personally, both the long-haired apprentice and warrior's tails are weird (they need fur lines at the end), but it'd be a lot to change. 15:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Frankly I don't like any of the apprentice blanks, as the tails and front legs are awkwardly thin and long (no offense to whoever made them!). But to redo every apprentice on the site... it would be quite a feat. Maybe it can be something we can do when there are no new chararts to do, like after the end of the Fourth Apprentice series and before the start of Dawn of Clans. For now, though, there are more important things to focus on. 15:46, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hello i would like to be on the PCA again i will bw more active or at least as active as i can be.Acornfur 16:00, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

That's true, Shellheart. That would definitely give us something to do. The apprentice blank's tails have bothered me for as long as I've been on this wiki. 16:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes but thats an unbelievable amount of work. I agree that they look off, (Personall i like the loner blank even less) but its not worth the work. 16:49, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shellheart, we should try and redo them (and MAYBE, just maybe, the rogues too) between the series. I always thought the apprentice blacks could use some tweaking, but that WOULD take a lot of work. We're probably not gonna really have anything to do between the series though, so we should take the spare time to accomplish big tasks that would be too hard normally. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

So I'm not the only one who thinks the short haired apprentices look bald. If we were to do this, it would create a lot of work. I say we do what Paleclaw said and do it in between series. ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 20:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Should this become a forum like the queen one? F i r e s t a r !  20:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this should turn into a debate. If we redo the blanks, we'd have to redo many chararts, and add much more to the tweak list. That means the Tweak Page would be loaded. And besides, what would we do to tweak this? Make the tail longer? It's been fine as long as PCA started, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. 22:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)If

If we do end up doing that, it wouldn't come to a vote now, as this is an astronomical overtaking, and is best saved for another time. 03:06, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Especially after we've gotten all of the WindClan and RiverClan cats to their correct pelt lengths. 15:56, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Goldenflower
Would she have stripes, because she's ginger? And...I don't believe this was clarified before, but, would ALL ginger cats, any shade, even a light ginger, would have stripes? 01:01, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

I would think so, if it's light ginger it's still ginger. That means Mousefang would get stripes too... and a few others to add to the list. 01:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Good point Ice. I was thinking that a while ago but forgot about it. 11:15, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Probably, good point Icey. 20:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

After I do Skywatcher, I wouldn't mind tweaking Goldenflower myself. But yeah any kind of ginger cat should get stripes. 21:04, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

So it's agreed? 16:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

If it's ginger, it's agreed. 17:02, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thistlepaw (P3) (Alt. Ki)
It was said on his page that he was mentoined as a she-cat as a kit. Should we have an Alternative charart for that? Rain face &lt;3 23:21, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, we don't do alts for gender change only 23:23, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, i was just wondering. Rain face &lt;3 23:25, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

That's quite alright to ask questions, as we always have answers =)  23:27, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Firestar
Firestar's description mentions that he has a thick coat. Should his image be changed to long-haired? 23:30, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. We've had this discussion before. He's shorthaired, and it even says in the book that Fireheart envied Graystripe's long pelt. I think it was in Fire and Ice, but don't hole me to it. 23:35, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rippletail
Rippletail's apprentice image(s) need to be redone to be long-haired. 16:51, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

So put it on the Tweaking List. We don't need sections to be cluttered up just telling us what we need to tweak or re-do. 16:53, October 1, 2011 (UTC)