Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Prey-Hunter Blanks - For approval
(M) - Alright! I've drawn cats for awhile now, so I thought I'd put it to good use!


 * Double lineart? Cheak.


 * About the right size? Cheak.

All it needs is a transparent bckground. Could somebody do that for me please? I know how to do it, but I've had some troubles and I don't want to risk anything! Thanks! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)



OMG, ur so good! =] This are real good. Lets see what everyone else says- but wait, some pplz made leaders with the warrior blanks... Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 20:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done the transparency for you and had no problems with pixlr... don't know what that was about. As for the images. I like the position you've chosen and overall they are very good. There are a few things though. Firstly their backs are quite bumpy... Secondly, their heads are quite small and could be a bit bigger. I also think the fur on the belly of the longhaired looks strange and needs to be a bit... neater (that sounds so stupid). We also nede to think about how easy they'll be to colour. Sandy Talk! 20:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanies! I think the people who made leaders with warrior blanks understood that leader blanks would be made one day. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean that they coloured Bluestar in a warrior blank for example. If so then the reason for that is that we are eventually hoping to get images of all ranks every cat has ever upheld. They will all be added to a character's page together. Sandy Talk! 20:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'll fix these some more tomorrow... but for now, the fur and backs have been fixed on the male and female longhaired. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There is gray on the picture? Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 01:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the transparent background Mistfur Sandy Talk! 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

'''(M) - Note: I will be gone for the next week or so. Please do not delete these images. I am planning to work on them as soon as I am done with camp. Thank you.''' Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I got rid of the grey and decreased the pointyness of the chin, but it's not showing up for me. I'm going to work on these some more tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the grey on the images (It wasn't the transparent background that Mistfur was talking about), decreased the pointedness of the chin, and fixed the backs on the other balnks. Is there a trick to increasing the size of the head? Thankies! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking... I don't know how bad you'd think this idea but I really like these and especially as prey-hunter blanks because it looks like they're leaping on prey as the mountain cats leap... dunno. Just a thought.  Sandy Talk! 17:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I love that idea Sandy! Should I put some kind of prey underneath their paws or just leave it? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) I edited the images slightly, but I can't upload do to my computer freezing, so I'll upload them later. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm worried how easy will the prey-hunters color, I think you should use an example like what Bramble did with the queen blanks, so when we are going to approve the prey-hunters we can approve the example.--Yai-Girl 02:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl


 * I got bored and decided to do an example for you. I didn't have any cat in mind when I did it but I guess it could be Brook.



I really like the shorthaired and they're not actually that hard to use at all but the long-haired's fur is still bothering me. It's kind of... spikey... Also, the hind legs on them all need to be a little longer I think and on the longhaired there is a strange indent on the front leg.  Sandy Talk! 12:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Now that I can upload again (I have no clue what that was about) I fixed some pixels and the indent on the paw. I'm going to work on the longhairs and fix the legs.

Also, thank you for coloring that image! It looks nice. :3 Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Fixed the fur on the longhaired. I didn't fix the haunch because it looked really strange when I did.

The main thing that's bothering me is that these blanks seem smaller than the other blanks, yet when I try to increase the sixe it blurs it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I know... I don't know what to say as they blurred for me too.. there must be a way though  Sandy Talk! 19:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, they look small, so make the head bigger and scale the blank. (You can do that in paint or photoshop, whatever program you choose. --Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The head is kind of egg shaped, it needs a stop. Also, could you make them a little bigger?-- Darkhallows Lair 17:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - My computer's being worked on (I'm using my parent's laptop), so I can't work on these for the next 2 to 3 days. Please do not delete these. I'll work on them as soon as the computer's fixed. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow, the computer was fixed way sooner than I thought... Well, I increased the size of the long female blanks. I really don't know if they're any good, so let me know if this looks okay, and then I'll make the other ones this size. :) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Well, nobody's commented yet, so I increased the size of the other blanks, and took away the background transparency (There was some discussion about this on the queen blanks). Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for not commenting, Moss. The long haired bellies look weird, like they're spiked with gel or something. Take off those angles; I know it's supposed to look like long fur, but we'll see how to improve them after you take them off, cause they really do look weird. And also, you know how in the other blanks, the hind legs have a curve to them? Add that to your hind legs and see how they look. -- Bramble My Realm 16:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - No problem Bramble! I'm giving one last shot at the belly fur. If this is bad, then somebody else can do it. I used a different style that I've seen used on a few blanks. I also tried to fixed the haunch, although I think I failed. :/ Also, can somebody please tell me how to increase the head size on pixlr? Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I likez zis belly fur. -- Dawnfeather talk! 06:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This belly fur is awesome! It looks so natural and everything. Okay, we need to get these approved. The near foreleg on allof them is big and then it suddenly slims itself; slim the whole leg so it looks even. On the near hindleg, the paw had a sharp protrusion; round that off. The back ear is like a corner to the near ear, make it smaller and more pointed like the first ear. The shoulder is a bit too big, or pronounced, but make it slightly smaller and less noticeable. Last, the way you had the neck, the space is a rather sharp angle. Round it off as well. Oh wait; this is the last thing:Don't be discouraged by my long post. :) These are great, and just need a few tweakings before approval. -- Bramble My Realm 11:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Actually, I like long posts Brable; there's nothing more annoying then knowing you can work on your image but you can't do anything becuase you don't know what's wrong. :) All your comments have been completed. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)



Glad you do. :) The ear looks a lot better, but the front leg is still bugging me. I made a diagram to show you what I mean. Also, the front paw needs to be altered; I showed that in the diagram too. Still use thickened lineart, though. -- Bramble My Realm 23:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, thanks for the diagram! We had a major communication breakdown there. Ha! Anways, I fixed the foreleg. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks very good now. You've done a great job on these. I think they should be approved. is there anything else, members? -- Bramble My Realm 18:33, 11 July 2009 (UTC)



(M) - Yay! Oh, and I colored in a long-haired, just incase you wanted to see one colored. It's Mist. (And if you wanted to do her, no worries, because I'm not planning on putting her up for approval anytime soon.) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:04, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - '''I will not be able to get on for the next 5 days. Please do not delete these. Thank you!''' Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I think these are ready. Comments before apprval? (please approve/comment when 24 hrs are up, I will be gone) -- Bramble My Realm 21:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

For the most part, I think these look great! But the thing that's bothering me is the muzzle. It should stick out farther on all of them, they look flat. If you need a better explanation I can draw you a diagram/example thing. :) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 05:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Greencloud, and the head should be a bit bigger in proportion to the body.Minnowclaw 20:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

To-be Blanks- For Approval


These were going to be for Deputy, but I saw that Deputy blanks were already made, and New Warrior Blanks were Desired. How about these ones? Male and Female Shorthairs and Longhairs. (Wow, I'm just spitting out artwork lately o3o. I have too much time on my hands) -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;green; background:black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:lightgreen;"> Sandiwolf

They're good, but to small, make them a little bit bigger. Also, I think the nose might be too long, make it the littlest bit shorter.Minnowclaw 16:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Oh afterthought, the lines on the tail of the long hair looks like they've been cut. Also, It was just thought that we needed more girlish cats for the warriors, these are way different and we would have to redo all of the other blanks when we could just do a little fix. Maybe you can work on that? (Don't get me wrong, these are great.)Minnowclaw 17:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I'm glad you like them, and as a note: MS Paint + Bigger = pixelated fail. Dx. But anywho, under Desirable Blanks, it stated specifically this:

DESIRABLE BASES * Warrior o More feminine looking Female Longhair Base o More masculine looking Male Longhair Base So I assumed that a new female and male blank were needed. D= --Sandiwolf 19:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but we have many warrior pictures already approved. It would take a very long time to redo them with the new blanks unless they had been a quick fix. Put your work to the test. These bases are really great and can be used in other parts maybe. Also, I'm only a warrior in the project. So if a senior warrior or Bramble thinks we can use these, well, I don't have the power to say anything against it.Minnowclaw 20:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

They look a little to... cute to be warriors. Maybe Tribe To-be's? They look young. But I really love them and they should be used as something.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 21:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we use them as apprentice blanks? Please don't ban me for saying this, as I'm not bashing the apprentice blanks but just criticizing them, but I never really liked them that much. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but they look like they needed more work before they were approved. But I really really really like these! I definitely want to use them as something! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The heads look cartoony, and I think we don't need a completely new base, just modify the old one. Because then, what about the other accepted cats made with the old ones? Plus, they look like wolves. I think tribe-to-be's would be the best use for these. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't show up sooner, i had marching band camp. Welcome to PCA, Sandiwolf. :) These look great, though I agree with Mallinois and Darkhallows they'd be better used as tribe to-be's. About 3/4's of our approved images are warriors, and it would take too long to redo all of them. Now, on the images, the she-cats need whiskers (in kittykat world, the females have whiskers :) And the lineart needs to be thickened to go with our other blanks. Also, the hind legs on all of them is bent at a right angle, make it a bit more natural. That's about it for now. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I reckon they could be something from the Tribe. Cave Guard, Prey Hunter, or To-Be. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we shouldn't really change the warrior blanks as we'll have to start the whole project basically from scratch... I like these for to-bes though! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Again the lineart needs to be thicker in keeping with all the current blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the legs and thickened the lineart. --Sandiwolf 13:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Are they prey-hunter to-bes or cave guard to-bes? Also, you need to thicken the line art on the short hairs and all around to blank. Minnowclaw 01:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

To me I think they should be prey-hunter to-bes becuse that they look swifter. (The long-haired she-cat still has no wiskers.)--Yai-Girl 21:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm with Yai-girl. These should be To-Be Preyhunters. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Prey Hunter To-bes sound fine to me. When I can, I'll thicken the missed areas of the lineart and add those whiskers!(I keep forgetting!) --Sandiwolf 15:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make sure all the muzzels are the same.Minnowclaw 16:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The long-haired she-cat still doesn't have wiskers.--Yai-Girl 03:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but what are those weird dots on the long haired male and females necks? It's more noticeable on the female then on the male. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It's fur along the neck(or on the side of the face). Also, pardon how long it's taking me to edit these. Getting a consistent look on ALL four of them is a time taxing feat. I keep messing it up, and I'm starting to lose patience for these x3. If anyone wants to help out, ti would be appreciated. --Sandiwolf 18:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

They look awesome. -- MU MB LE 785  16:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)



I went ahead and did an example for you - Splash when Fish Leaps from Outcast. I had no problems with these blanks. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

In the blanks the head looks fine because you can tell thatkit's head has turned around to look behind them, but when coloured it just looks like it's on backwards. Could you, like cut it off at the neck and flip it? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean about it appearing backwards. x3 Maybe we can see if some of the others agree? --Sandiwolf 02:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)



I do agree, but I believe the head doesn't need to be turned around. I did a random to-be; adding in a sort of curve so it looks more natural. Does this look better, Dawn? And are you alright with it, Sandiwolf? -- Bramble My Realm 03:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the version Bramble coloured (with the extra neck line). I think the main problem is that all four look different; they need to be consistent. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to give the females a more feminine build, and the males a more masculine build. That's why they look different. --Sandiwolf 19:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Consistency is an issue here. Two of them look like they have thickened lineart, but the others don't, and the sharp angles on their hind legs are still there. It looks unnatural. Also, I think you should go with my shoulder idea, just because I think it will improve the images. -- Bramble My Realm 18:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I like Bramble's shoulder idea, it would make the shoulder look a lot better. Plus the lineart issue. I think I like the muzzle on the cat on the far right the very most. I think it's okay to have the head turned, it makes the blank more interesting. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 05:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks- For Approval
I swear this is the last thing I'll do today, so I don't flood the list. anyways, I saw that Kittypet Blanks were being CONSIDERED. So if they are ever needed, I made these. --Sandiwolf 15:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The bodies are too big for the head, make the head bigger or the body smaller. Also, the bodies look to muscular when kittypets are supposed to be softer. The tails on the long hairs' still look like they are cut. Also, on the long hairs, the collars look like they have been cut, is that fur?Minnowclaw 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The ears are a very strange shape - perhaps make them thinner and slightly more pointed. Also, the longhaired tails look a bit like candyfloss - get rid of some of the small lines. Their backs are very flat and there is some discrepancy between the two longhaired versions - either make the back fluffy or not. Also, the lineart needs to be thicker to fit in with the existing blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Minnow: I made the bodies a tad smaller. They're also meant to look fat, not muscular. Furthermore, yes, that is in fact fur. Sandy: I'm not used to doing thickly outlined drawings, but I did my best to edit them. I added fur to the longhair male's back, and fixed the longhair tails. The ears? I made them thinner and taller.--Sandiwolf 19:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I just looked on the reservations page and Dawnfeather has already reserved Kittypet blanks... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Awhhh. T.T

I should really be more observant. When I'm not it results in my Depression. There goes another day of wasted work. I'll find something eventually, but for now, would you like me to take these down?--Sandiwolf 19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you using MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

For these, yes. My good old MS Paint and a mouse. --Sandiwolf 19:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be wasted. You can talk to Dawnfeather and if she still wants to do them, get rid of the collar and they can be loners or rouges.Minnowclaw 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I don't mind. Your's are much better, and I was going to take down that thing tonight unless I could get some good progress from them today. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 08:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Cave-guards. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Same thing with the hind legs as I said on your other pics. Make the transition more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 23:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine are not as good as these. I have had a lot of trouble with mine as I started them in paint... Anyways. these are more in our style and look good. Kittypets, or CaveGuards, Rogues, Loners. I think they would work whatever. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the back leg, and thank you Dawnfeather.--Sandiwolf 13:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should fiddle around with the chin a bit to make it a bit rounder and lower, so it will be more in the style of the other blanks. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Can do. I'll try and get to it this afternoon, but I have a birthday party to go to today, so the schedule's tight. --Sandiwolf 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I rounded out the chin the best I could. Is that all? --Sandiwolf 18:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I love them, and maybe it's just me, but I image kittypets to be a little less masculine... -- MU MB LE 785  17:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They're fat. =U --Sandiwolf 22:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have two kitttypets and one of them is on my lap right now. 'Fat' is a really good way to put it! Ahhh! Puss moved! ooowwww.....

Well anyway, I think that these are really good. I'll make an example (because I like being the blank tester person =D ) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Here you go. Very usuable blanks. I think that they should be approved, but first i think that we need to get rid of the large amount of excess space around them as it is like a large unneed border. I can do this for you if you like. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, yeah, if you could trim them it would be well appreciated. ^.^ --Sandiwolf 02:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I made the frames smaller. I think that they should be approved. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

There are still a few minor details. I like th eears you've used for your male shorthaired; put them on all the others, because they look rather pointed. There's also that issue with the angles on the hindlegs that I commented on in your to'be's section. -- Bramble My Realm 18:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Blossomkit (TC)- For approval
Worst. Image. Ever. Meh, I did the other one so... Sorry I was gone for a few days.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not the worst image ever. :) Make the ginger patches a bit more spread out, and since she's tortie maybe add in some ginger specks on the black to make it look more broken up, and not like she's just black with white and ginger patches. She's actually really good right now. -- Bramble My Realm 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like it! Try making the ginger patches darker though. They look golden. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Played around with the ginger.<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looked better before... Also, the ginger needs to be redder as it's kinda golden now (as M&S mentioned) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The ginger's still golden...also, there are jagged lines through the ginger patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The patches look more yellow than ginger. Silver tree  ♥  17:39, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Any better now?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much, although those ginger patches still have those lines through them... Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginger on torties has stripes ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually really like it now! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, sorry. I've never actually seen a torishell up close, to be honest. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the best torties I've ever seen. :) And you said it was the worst image ever, DH. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is wonderful, but the ginger looks golden,a dn could be more orange-coloured. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

... I think it's be to dark if I changed it... any other opinions on it? --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I like it as it is but you could try it with a more orange colour and put them side by side to see... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I appoligize for sounding whiny but it looks horrible whenever I try to change it. I think it will have to stay like this :/.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a problem. Anyone else? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The black of her tortie pelt has turned very gray. it needsto be a stronger/darker black (but light enough that you can still see the line art) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I might not be able to tell because they're small, but it looks like you forgot to color the eyes... I might just be mistaken if they're colored dark, but it looks like the fur color... --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

'''Please note that I will be gone untill Friday as I am going to the beach. I may have internet acsess... but probably not. Gah I just got back from camping -dead- --Darkhallows is on a cellphone and can't  make tildes'''

My computer is broken, but I'll work on when I get home (I'm at a class thinggy now...)--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 16:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 05:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Repeating 24 hours before approval <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Poppyfrost - for approval


Here's my first Tortoiseshell. I know it needs major improvements but I want your guys' opinion. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  21:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That's so cool Sandwich! I think she looks pretty good, I just think that she needs some color on her face, if you know what I mean. I also need some help creating a charcat, everytime I try, it won't do the right color! It ends up black or white or gray. Please tell me what painting sites are used by the charcat project warriors. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

She's pretty nice, and there's certainly plenty of shading that I can see. I would suggest splitting that big black patch that comes down from her ear with orange, because that looks better in my mind. We'll see what it looks like after that. -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that jumps out at me is that tortoiseshells have more black on them than any other color most of the time. Your picture looks like it has more white on it than anything. Try making the head black, and we'll see how that looks. Looks great! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

MAde her more black. Sand wich  989  00:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add chin shading, also there is a gray line under her. Nice job though ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Er...Poppyfrost is a tortoiseshell... You made her a tortoisehsell-and white,becuase the base color is white. Try to put more black...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought Poppyfrost was tortie and white Warrior... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the gray line, added chin shading and even a little more black. And in Twilight she was described as a tiny copy of Sorreltail adn Sorreltail is a tortie and white. Sand wich  989  18:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, she is... Strike my post, then. But the ginger looks a bit....bright.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything else?(Sorry I'm really impatient) Sand wich  989  14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The ginger patch on the head looks a bit bright. Maybe try darkening it a shade. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened it. Sand wich  989  18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd get rid of that white/grey strip under the tail. It looks unatural. Other than that, this looks great. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know what you meant by that but I fixed the tail. Sand wich  989  20:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Look at the tail. That white on there looks unatural; I'd take it off and simply continue the ginger and black. Sorry for not being clear the first time. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The black is too black; it blends right in with the lineart. Try making it like a light black color, like with a Breezepelt or Blackclaw color. -- Bramble My Realm 21:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Cross out what I said about the tail. Sorreltail has it too, so... I'd just do what Bramble said. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Made the black lighter. Sand wich  989  22:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

In the process of doing that you also made the eye lineart gray. And there is still a dark black patch by her hind foot still. -- Bramble My Realm 22:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Made eye lineart black. But I thought since the black on her hind leg is in the shadows it would be that color anyway. Sand wich  989  19:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks out of place. Make it the same color as the rest of the black and then shade it. It will look more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 11:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed what you said to fix. Sand wich  989  18:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The back ear is black. Then that's all I see, and she can probably be approved. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 01:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed ear. Sand wich  989  03:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You turned the lineart on the back ear and part of the head gray. :) -- Bramble My Realm 14:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed ear. Sand wich  989  18:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks great. I'll turn her transparent for you when she's approved. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 18:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Most of the ginger areas have shading, but you left out a few places, the base of the tail for instance. Also, I can't see any shading on the black at all. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't like the tail shading so I changed it. Sand wich  989  19:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The ginger on the tail is different to the ginger on the rest of the body. (I'm picky =D) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Really? I used the same color for it... Sand wich  989  19:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks more fluoro in the shading. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't get what your saying. Sand wich  989  18:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On the tail, the shading for the ginger isa fluoro-ish colour, where as on the rest of the body, it is just a darker ginger. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

So the shading on the tail is darker where as the shading on the body is lighter? Sand wich  989  02:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the shading on the tail looks fluoro, but the shading on the body looks normal. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:21, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His eye looks like he's sinister; perhaps this could be changed?--Yai-Girl 16:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks like he popped right out of Pokemon. Give him less of an angry-japanese look. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Okay. I redid him. Does he look any better? Hawkfire My Den 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are his feet black?--Yai-Girl 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He is better, but I would suggest a black patch on his foreleg coming up to his chest, and lighten the black even more. You also need to blur the transition between black and white on all the places. Some more shading is needed, too. Keep it up, and he'll be approved in no time. And Yai, I'm presuming his paws are black cause he's a black and white cat. -- Bramble My Realm 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I smudged him, added more shading, and added that patch Bramble wanted. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 18:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with all the tiny black dots? And try blurring instead if smudging. Sand wich  989  19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? :) And I have no idea how those black dots get there sandwich, I set it to png but they wont go away! Hawkfire My Den 19:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the black dots anymore. I think you just add shading and blend it in and it will look good. Sand wich  989  22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend, and I did add shading. I just brightened the shading to make it a silvery color. Anything else? Hawkfire My Den 13:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The black needs to be a lot lighter, and I think in places it goes outside the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 19:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anyn shading. But I would do is make the blur tool brush big enough so half of it can be on the black and half of it can be on the white and just run it until the black and white stops. Do that where there is all black and white next together. Sand wich  989  19:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the black slightly lighter than what you have now so you can see the lineart. And it still needs more shading and the patches need blending. Your doing great. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the perfect shade of black! I added more shading, and I added more blending, is it better? Hawkfire My Den 14:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the best yet, and it is a great shade of black. The shading is too pronounced, though, it needs to be more blurred and less standoutish. -- Bramble My Realm 14:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I blurred the shading Hawkfire My Den 12:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Better, yes, but put a little bit of the normal black color between the shading and the white on that patch in the middle of his back. His ear pink also needs to be blended more into the pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 19:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Reuploaded. Hawkfire My Den 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches looks smudge inches into the pelt in some places and not blended at all. And I suggest making it a shade darker than pure white.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 20:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? Hawkfire My Den 12:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Add some more shading on the chest and possible the muzzle and I think he'll be ready. Perhaps blend the ear pink a little too. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Will this work? Hawkfire My Den 02:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't think that you could possibly blend in the shading more? The line between non-shading and shading is still rather distinctive. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Raggedpelt- For Approval
This is my unfinished Raggedpelt. Could somebody make the background transparent, please. This is not up for approval. Boltstar 23:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed it. Unfortunately I had to upload it as a .png format instead of .PNG format (they're not the same thing). Do you want it to be up for approval now? -- Bramble My Realm 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I uploaded it as a .png, but in my post, the lowercase just said Raggedpelt.png in red. When I changed it to uppercase, it showed up. Edit: Or at least, that's what it said when I saved it to my computer. Edit: Now it's ready. Boltstar 00:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I like his color. It's a very pretty brown. But your tabby stripes need to stretch out more into the main pelt area, and be darker, I can barely see them. Make them slightly thicker as well; if you need help look at some of our approved tabby warriors for reference. Make the ear pink more like a hot pink color, and make sure to add shading on his back, chest, hind leg curve, forelegs, forehead, and tail. This is a great first start, though. Looking forward to seeing some of your other work! :) -- Bramble My Realm 01:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been working on it for days. Define hot pink please. Boltstar 02:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear color is fine, but that it needs to be blended. Otherwise I agree with Bramble. --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend it.... are you supposed to blend it all at once? And Bramble, where on the tail do I shade? Boltstar 13:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but blend as in blur. The ear pink stands out sharply, we need a more soft transition. And hot pink as in like this color:. -- Bramble My Realm 21:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

And the tail? Boltstar 01:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

For the tail I'd suggest a thin line of shading on the underside, fading out about 3/4 of the way up. That's what I normally do. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a white lone in his ear. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'lone'? It's his ear rip. Boltstar 05:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Dawnfeather means "line". It looks a bit unnatural. Try to use a V shape like Tigerclaw's pic or make it jaggedy(xD). I hope I'm not confusing you any.... By blending they mean using the smudge(pixlr) or blur(GIMP) to belnd the shading into the pelt so it looks realistic. I can't really see any shading, so maybe increase it some and blend. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know you needed to blend the shadeing. I'll see what I can do. (And why is jagged funny here?) Boltstar 17:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that was because she didn't say jagged she said jaggedy. :) Now, try making the tabby stripes a touch darker, slightly more thick, and add some more on the tail and foreleg. You don't have to use the 'y' shape for all of them as well, you can just use lines, as long as they're not perfectly straight. Also add a marking like this ~ except turn it about 30 degrees to the right and put it about a pixel away from the eye. You can look at Runningwind for ref if you need help. -- Bramble My Realm 17:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll do that. Boltstar 17:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

How do I make the rip transparent? Boltstar 22:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Use the eraser tool. Or at least that's what I do. -- Bramble My Realm 02:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have anymore ear rip suggestions? I've lost count of how many times I've tried and they all don't look right. Boltstar 04:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You could take a quick look at Tornear's pixel - I had to do an ear rip there. I can't exactly remember how I did it but I just took a few pixels out of the lineart and then created a 'v' by drawing in the outline... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

How does this look? Boltstar 16:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I can barely even tell that there's shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with GB, thre needs to be shading, and I think the stripes could be thicker blended a bit more. Silver tree  ♥  21:50, 8 July, 2009 (UTC)

I might not be able to work on this for a week, just to let everyone know in advance. Boltstar 04:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Littlecloud (MC) - For Approval
You can hate it if you want to--Yai-Girl 05:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't hate it. I think the shading needs to be thicker and the tabby markings longer and more random. Also, the ear pink needs to be smaller and needs blending, and the eye needs a pupil and highlight. Good start though <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this better?--Yai-Girl 14:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The tabby markings and shading are too thick. Blend, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I edited the first Littlecloud I put up. Comments please.--Yai-Girl 17:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I got rid of the blob on his leg.--Yai-Girl 17:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

You need some more shading on his back, and the eye needs a highlight and a pupil in it as well as color. Also blur the tabby stripes a bit on the edges to make the transition less harsh, as well as on the ear pink. This is a very good first image, though, Yai. Was it worth all the trouble of posting? :) -- Bramble My Realm 18:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I made a pupil and I increased shading on Littlecloud's back but I don't know how to make a highlight and how to blend the ear and tabby markings.--Yai-Girl 19:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

There should be some sort of a blur tool if you're using pixlr, GIMP, or Photoshop. In Photoshop and GIMP it looks like a raindrop. And for a highlight on the eye, just add a pixel of white right beside the pupil, and also add some more blue. It's okay to color some of the eye lineart.

I think he should be a few shades lighter brown, he looks like a dark brown tabby. And if you have cats of the clans, look at his pic. I also think the ear should be a shade lighter. Hawkfire My Den 21:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Very good the tabby stripes could be a little more random. Other than that I see nothin wrong with it.User:Stonestar

I blurred the tabby markings and the pink ear and added a highlight. Any better?--Yai-Girl 16:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I also made the pink lighter.--Yai-Girl 00:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I made some of the tabby markings longer. Comments please.--Yai-Girl 15:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Blend the ear pink and add some more shading on the chest. Your doing good. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks very nice now. Do what Warrior said and also add some small tabby markings on the head, and one that looks like this: ~ except turned next to the eye. Make sure it isn't touching the eye, just near it. When you add shading, it also needs to be more blurred. -- Bramble My Realm 14:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I increcsed shading on Littlecloud's chest and bulurd the ear more. I'm still working on the tabby markings.:)--Yai-Girl 17:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I added tabby markings on his head (I can't find the color I used in the other tabby markings so I did them in a different color)--Yai-Girl 18:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

There's a sort of gap between the foreleg and the chest; if you could add a tabby stripe there that would be great. The add a little more shading on his hindleg curve and blur the shading a little bit more. He looks very nice. -- Bramble My Realm 19:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I added another tabby marking and added more shading on the back leg. Comments, please.--Yai-Girl 15:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks good to me. I think he should be approved. -- Bramble My Realm 17:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think my computer is messed up. Because if "Bramble" said it looks good, then I beleive it. But on mine it looks like the shading and tabby markings needs blending. Sand wich  989  20:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about expressing your opinion, sandwich. If you think the markings need blending, then Yai should probably blend them. -- Bramble My Realm 21:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I blurred the tabby markings more. Anything else?--Yai-Girl 13:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Could you possibly blur the shading more? After that, I think he'll be ready. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I blurred him more.--Yai-Girl 15:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Comments before approval? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I say he could use more shading on the back. Other than that he's fine.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Snowbird - for approval


This is my first white cat since my Whitewing (shudders). I hope you like it. Sand wich  989  23:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This is really nice! I think that the white parts need to be a bit whiter though, as it is obvious that it is gray, not white. (I know why you made it gray =) ) Overall though, this is really nice. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Made it less more gray. Sand wich  989  19:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading is too dark, can you blend it more.--Yai-Girl 00:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Or lower the exposure level and redo it. The shading is very dark. -- Bramble My Realm 11:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Redid her. Sand wich  989  19:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading is better now, but the ear looks lavender; can you make it a more light pink color? -- Bramble My Realm 14:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ear (I hope) Sand wich  989  18:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Very nice! Could you color in the nose though? It looks pretty strange white. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:40, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ear pink and made nose pink. Sand wich  989  19:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Good i think it should be approved. User:Stonestar

I think it needs some shading up behind the elbow, on the belly. It needs to be brough up in a bit of a trinagle there. After that, I think that it could be approved. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be contradictory or uncooperative. But when I shade the elbows (front on the foreleg back above the belly shading) It looks very horrible and stand-out-ish. Sand wich  989  18:55, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. Comments before approval in 24 hours? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:22, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Mudfur - For Approval


This is my first Charart i didnt know how to do shading i could use a few tips on shading i use Gimp.User:Stonestar


 * First, both ears don't need pink in them, only the near one. Seconf use the darken and lighten tools (lso called the burn(darken) and dodge(lighten) tools) to add more green transitions on the herbs like Cinderpelt and Yellowfang.


 * For shading use the darken tool on the back and chest and head and tail and legs and everywhere else. then blend it with the teardrop shaped tool and even it out with the smudge tool if you need to. Highlights are a little hard, but use the dodge tool in the palces you need to. Don't try shading like Honeyfern, Ashfoot, andWhite-eye even though it looks good if you aren't experienced enough. oneday, you can try when you're more experienced. If you have troubles, just ask Bramble, the leader, Sandy, the deputy, or me, GB, and Darkhallows, the senior warriors. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, take the pink off the far ear. We are looking at the back of it, where there is no pink! =D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 07:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, the ear pink on the ear it's supposed to be on is too big. Otherwise, just shade it. :) Silver  tree  ♥  12:42, 9 July, 2009 (UTC)

I'm still working on the shading i fixed the ear and the herbs.User:Stonestar

There is a bit of green on his whiskers. Also, the eye needs a puil and highlight. (see some approved iamges for reference). The ear pink needs blending. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ro make shading colour the outside edge of the colouring a darker clour and then blend it into the pelt. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Charart tutorial

 * I was thinking of typing a Warriors Wiki:Charart/Tutorial, and having new users look at it the introduce themselves and look at the other warriors, plus have the other multiple members post ways to shade kits, medicine cats, apprentices, etc. Also it could show proper PCA etiquette such as not posting past the limit and not posting a blank/cat someone else is doing. Any opinions? --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a good idea. However, i can'tdecide whether I prefer this idea or the mentors one. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a cool idea. Adding shading techniques and proper PCA etiquette for newer members would help a lot, and it would all be on one page. This is similar to Darkhallows' idea, about a guide to shading, except with a few extra bits thrown in. I'd be glad to contribute to this. What does everyone else think? (Dawn, there isn't a reason we can't do both *evil grin* :) -- Bramble My Realm 11:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of mentoring, the senior warriors and the experienced warriors mentoring the new users, it's like a Clan. The Sr. warriors and warriors shall teach their appprentices about the PCA. and how to make charcats. Then when their ready to be made into warriors, we have a ceremony. :) I like this idea a lot. Hawkfire My Den 15:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats a really good idea Hawkfire:). Sand  wich  989  04:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

OH MY GOD! I'm sorry, but I love this idea. I'm sort of new and sort of old, could I be a mentor?Minnowclaw 23:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Thanks :) but we need to get Bramble's permission first. I think she will like the idea. But we need to be sure. Hawkfire My Den 13:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hollypaw(A) - For Approval
Here's Hollypaw. Don't really have anything else to say...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good, just add some more shading, I can barely see it. Hawkfire My Den 19:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a little smudge coming from the eye, and the color of the ear could be lighter like the warrior version. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Add shading, lightened the ear, and fixed the eye smudge.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything else?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 18:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

A bit more shading on her hind leg curve. I really like your blending job. -- Bramble My Realm 19:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I added some more. Does it look good now?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 00:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

>.< I just realized she was a long-haired. I changed the blank.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 22:08, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

She's not longhaired... where does it say that? -- Bramble My Realm 22:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Change it back. Even in CatsotC she's short haired, and the cover pics may not be the best reference. Plus, her warrior blank's short haired. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 14:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh. I thought her warrior-version was long-haired. Don't know where I got that from. Reverted back.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 23:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)\

She looks squished.Minnowclaw 12:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

She does. I looked at the file and I don't think she uploaded properly. Try and upload her again Warrior <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I re-uploaded her. I hope it's showing up okay.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Nearly there. Just a few minor things left;
 * The pink of the ear is generally not actualy in the ear. You may want to trim it backwards there.
 * The belly needs shading (that gap between fore and back legs)
 * The butt and base of tail could also use a bit more shading.

Once those things are done, this should be ready! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:34, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Better?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 17:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Comments before approval in 24 hours? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Rainsplash (D) for approval

 * This is my first try at a warrior/deputy (as opposed to an apprentice), so I might have gotten the shading a little wrong. Same for the spots, I wasn't sure exactly how many to put, how close together they should be, or how much to blend, so I sort of just did what looked right. Comments? --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 15:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

You're a natural :) Add some shading on the head and curve of the hindleg. He looks great though! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded, image on the right I tried to make the shading more dramatic in those areas, but it didn't seem to make much of a difference (that's why I put the new image next to the original, for comparison). I don't really get where I should put more shading on the head; I already highlighted the top and put a small shadow under the muzzle. Does it look any better now? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 20:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I love his flecks. :) I don't really think he needs shading, you've aleady done a great job on that. Maybe some on the far ear, though. Also, the eye, to me, looks odd. Use this: for reference. This is the best way on how to do an eye. -- Bramble  My Realm 17:44, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I love this! My fave is the second and I think that should be approved.MinnowclawMinnowclaw

Jumpfoot-for approval
This is Jumpfoot. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 16:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The eye looks deformed, the ear pink looks like anime, and there's a big black scratch mark on the back. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The shadows and highlights look well placed, they just need to be blended a lot. Try to make it look as smooth as you can without completely smudging the color. --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Blend. The ear pink and the shading both need blending. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I will blend. And mess with the ear. The "Black scratch mark" is his muscle, he is a muscular tom. Hawkfire My Den 02:39, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

You can take that out. We can't really show that he's muscular. Showing him as a black tom with green eyes will suffice. -- Bramble My Realm 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded, Better? I blended shading and messed with ear. I also took out the muscle. Is that all? Hawkfire My Den 19:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think this is the best one you've done, Hawkey. :) You just need to make his ear pink more this color: and more triangular. That's all I can see off the top my head. -- Bramble My Realm 21:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I fixed the ear. Hawkfire My Den

Because he's a black cat try making the ear pink smaller. It's exactly the right colour, only it is too big. On a black cat it is not so visible. Almost there Hawkfire <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Better Sandy? Hawkfire My Den 18:33, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Better but it still needs to be a little smaller. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I smallered (lol) the ear. :) blended a little more too. Hawkfire My Den 01:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Better :) This looks really nice Hawkey. Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The ear colour is still a bit... dodgy... --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Its supposed to look like that, Dawn :) I think it looks fine, maybe it's just your computer. All comps are different Hawkfire My Den 02:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I know what Dawn means. It looks like you put red on it and dodged it a couple times. You could make it more pink-ish. ;)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 18:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the ear. Can he be approved now? Hawkfire My Den 01:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Spottedleaf - For Approval


I realize she's not that great.... but back when I liked her in Into the Wild I cried when she died and I've always wanted to do a picture of her. Threw my heart and soul into this; please comment so I can make her even better! I tried to make her more of a traditional tortoiseshell, with flecks and dapples instead of patches. -- Bramble My Realm 20:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks great; my only comment is that I thought 'traditional' tortoiseshells were just dark with ginger stripes... but I really don't know much about cats XD I'm sadly allergic to them... It really does look good though :) <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 20:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks awesome, but she's supposed to have a white puzzle & paws and a light brown tabby stripes tail if you look on her page. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 23:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

A white chest as well. Boltstar 04:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

White parts added, and I also saturated her pelt a bit and added in a few more patches. How does it look now? Definitely better, I think. Oh, and I didn't do the patches pure white because that looked odd and there are very few things in the wild that have pure white pelts. -- Bramble My Realm 17:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It does look better, and I know what you mean about the pure white pelts, but I still think that grey is a bit too dark, it looks weird to my eyes. --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 17:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually it does. Is this shade better? -- Bramble My Realm 17:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

yeah, it looks a lot better now. I have no more comments on this, it looks ready to me :D <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 17:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you remove the spots on the hind white paw? It looks strange to have the other white patches and then have this one with spots. Looks great though! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, reuploaded.

Woops, forgot to sign. -- Bramble My Realm 19:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In The Sight, when Spottedleaf visits jaykit, it says she has circles of dark fur around her eyes. Wow, she has a lot of description parts, how can she take it? Poor Spottedlef. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 20:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

So hard being beautiful, Spottedleaf. Aww. I tried to add a darker patch around her eye. I tried a ring, but it looked like she was wearing glasses. -- Bramble My Realm 21:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Shes gorgeous!! She just needs darker fur around her eyes and wallah! SHES awesome!!!! Hawkfire My Den 02:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The fur around her eye is now darker. '''Please note: I am going to camp and will not be on Monday through Friday. I leave Sandy in charge. Respect her as you would me. (I pulled that out of Firestar's Quest) :)''' -- Bramble My Realm 22:11, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

lol Bramble. I think she looks beautiful. Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know.... it just doesn't look tortie to me... just black with coloured dots, like those spirits in Brisingr (sorry random thought)(not like I can talk - Mossfire looks like she's wearing camo). I think we should get some more opinions on this before we approve her. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Does anyone else have any opinions on this? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawn. It just doesn't look like a tortishell.Minnowclaw 23:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

She looks like a starry brown night sky, torties are black...--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 16:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

She should be more brown that black.That way the circles around her eyes could stand out more-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Duskfur (W)- For Approval


Okay, I wanted to try a tabby, so I did Duskfur of Riverclan. I was so mad because I finished it, saved it wrong, and then was unable to reopen and resave it, so I had to redo the entire picture. So much trouble for a cat. -.- Improvement tips? Silver tree  ♥  21:38, 10 July, 2009 (UTC)

The tabby marks look like they were made with water colors, you can see through them and they looked liquidy. There also needs to be some more of them, slightly smaller and more thin. -- Bramble My Realm 17:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated. I re-did all the stripes. Are they opaque enough? Silver tree  ♥  16:57, 11 July, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, much better. You just need to add a stripe on her haunch near the tail, where that gap is, and <S>also add a marking by her eye. She looks awesome now. -- Bramble My Realm 21:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Never mind the eye comment. -- Bramble My Realm 21:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated Added the tabby mark. Anything else? Silver tree  ♥  18:11, 11 July, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the tabby markings more and make them more subtle.MinnowclawMinnowclaw

The ear looks shrunk. Little more ear pink, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated' Fixed the ear and blended the tabby marks.

The markins are very dark - try lightening them a little and then blending them slightly more so they look more natural. Also, the ear pink is too fluro and needs to be more triangle shaped (make sure you blend though). [ps. please sign with four ~s] <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Your need to BLEND a lot more on the tabby marking and shading.Minnowclaw 23:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Mudpuddle- For Approval


Now that my work on Duskfur is settling down, I'm putting my deputy of ancient Windclan. The name interested me. Improvements? Silver tree  ♥  22:13, 11 July, 2009 (UTC)

The ear colour is too bright, fluro, and unnatural. That applies to Duskfur as well.

Also, the shading needs more blending. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The ear is too small and you need to blend the shading more.Minnowclaw 11:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

REUPLOADED Fixed the ear and blended a bit more. Silver tree  ♥  6:45, 12 July, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... his description is that of a brown and white cat... I think he needs more white. Make the patches less regular and rounded as they look like he's been splodged with white emulsion. Add more shading and blend it in more. Also, the white on the tail looks too... well-placed. Try and extend it a little down the tail to make it more natural. The ear needs to be more triangular and less bright. Blend. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Silverstream (Queen) for approval



 * After tons of trial and error, I believe I finally got down this tabby marking. The classic tabby ^_^ Comment please.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 06:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading is bothering me. I think it looks a little to much like the the head and the top of the back is a lighter shaded of gray than the rest of the body. Try blending it a little bit more.Minnowclaw 11:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I don't know if I have a place to say this, but the tabby stripes appear to be the color of the silver shading. Maybe you should darken the tabby stripes? --Sandiwolf 14:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Left side of her face seems like there's a cloud over it, could just be my computer. But otherwise, love the classic tabby markings, those are the first I've seen on a charcat. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 01:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I love the way you've done the markings but I do think they need to be slightly darker as most silver tabbies I've seen have darkish markings on a pale coat. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated The markings are darker and blended in more. Tell me if that cloud is still there cause it kept disappearing and reappearing on my laptop =/-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I love her! You need to blend the shading in a bit though as it stands out especially on the front legs and belly. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the cloud anymore, it's looking great. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 20:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the shading is really bothering me. Try blending it more.Minnowclaw 23:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw
 * Updated The shading is blurred in more-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful! I think it's ready for approval.Minnowclaw 01:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Leopardkit - For approval


Please excuse my absence. I had to go to camp for two weeks and didn't have a computer. She didn't have an eye color so I made it blue. Comments? Minnowclaw 14:17, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * She needs darker shading and a chin, so use shading to create a chin like on Dovekit, Briarkit, and Flamekit. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 14:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

This better?Minnowclaw 14:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I have to, like, bend over and squint to see the shading. It needs to be a bit more seeable. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC) pa

I went over the shading once with the burn tool. Is this better? Minnowclaw 00:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The second one I then dogged twice. Which is better?Minnowclaw 02:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The second one. I still think it needs more shading though <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I burned it again and dodged it twice again. Better?Minnowclaw 23:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Let me rephrase. By more I meant thicker shading, not darker. The colour is fine, just extend it on the neck and sides a little so it's not such a thin line hugging the lineart. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Better?Minnowclaw 21:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Medicine cat apprentice-for approval


Lavastream said I could do these... here's one... --Snowflurry 13:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The herbs look messy because you didn't erase the line of the chin underneath the herbs. I'll be able to see it more clearly and give you moare instructions when it is gone. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The image looks very....pixely like you saved it as a .jpg file.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, I think the herbs are too small and they're not clearly defined. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed the herbs, and changed it to PNG, is there a better one i should do?--Snowflurry 15:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It's still pixly. Make the herbs like the one on the medicine cat.Minnowclaw 23:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Sunstar (L) - For Approval


First one to try out the new leader blanks! Woo! Wasn't sure where shading should go, mostly for under the head. I have a feeling I'll be needing some help on that. Also this is the first time I've tried the classic tabby stripes. Also I'm not sure about the color. Sunstar's page says he's ginger with yellow stripes, but to me it didn't make sense to have stripes lighter than the main coat color. I can change if needed, it just didn't look right to me. Constructments, anyone? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 21:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT1I completely forgot to mention that I fixed the shading yesterday. XD --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 03:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


 * He's so adorable! *Hugs Sunstar* Ahem! Anyway, yes I always thought it was weird, but we should stick with the description after all. The shading just seems odd to me seeming almost black while he's ginger/yellow.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that the stripes look good. They are called 'ghost markings'. My only concern is that the shading is too day, maybe just soften it out a bit? Especially under the chin. On the hind leg, fade it out to the current darkness it is more gradually by lighting the first part of that shading. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

This is amazing Goldencloud! Just lighten the shading and it should be good :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

From what I can see, you've now lightened the shading. He looks great. Comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:28, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

♥ Shimmer Aww thanks! I tried to make it yellow, and I was just about to upload it, but I just couldn't make myself do it. It was just too odd. I lightened the shading by 10%. ♥ Dawnfeather Thanks! I didn't know they actually had a name. I blended the shading out as much as I thought was okay and lightened it, how does it look now? ♥ Sandy Thank you, Sandy! *hug* Shading: Lightened. And sorry about that, I uploaded the new version but forgot to update the comment thing. :) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 03:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightpelt For Approval


This is Nightpelt, ShadowClan's leader Nightstar as a warrior. He's my very first character art so tell me what ever I could do to make it better! --Nightflight 20:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The eye needs to be bigger and amber instead of red, and the right ear needs to show the inside, and it looks like the back is lower in the middle. Boltstar 20:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your shading style is lovely, it looks like his pelt is gleaming. But the black needs to be lighter so we can see the lineart. You can look at Hollyleaf, Nightcloud or Breezepelt for reference. Use this: for reference on how to do the eye. Also, I thought Nightpelt was short-haired. But that's all, he looks great other wise. -- Bramble My Realm 21:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I re-uploaded it. I hope it's still shaded okay. And it says that he's a "old, long furred tom."--Nightflight 21:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the eye looks absolutely beautiful. The new black color is okay, in my opinion. Boltstar 22:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Very nice eye. And his color is now great and shading still remains good, cept it needs to be blurred just a bit. :) I took it off thumbnail, so I could better look at it. Can you tell me where it said he's long furred? Also; you blurred some of the lineart; on the tip of the head, right beside the ear, in the middle of the back, and on part of the tail. You need to replace the lineart in those spots. This is a great first image. -- Bramble My Realm 22:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It says that he's long furred on his page, Nightstar. --Nigthflight 22:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I need a book reference. There's an anon running around that loves to add false details into descriptions. All Nightpelt is in the books I've read is an old black tom. -- Bramble My Realm 22:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I've checked every book he's in and mentioned; he's not longhaired. I changed his article, as well. Sorry for the mixup. :) I can convert him to shorthaired, if you want. I won't change anything you've done with his coloring. -- Bramble My Realm 23:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I know. I was wondering about that. I am working on changing him now, I'll like that. --Nigthflight 00:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh I am so sorry! I was the one who put that he was long furred on his page. I always imagined him like that. I do know he is a black tom with amber eyes tho. SOrry! Hawkfire My Den 02:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I did too, I kinda thought that he looked like Yellowfang, long, ruffled fur. It's alright! :) --Nigthflight 03:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

He needs some ear pink :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The outline is blurred all the way around. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I redid him. He is shorthaired, and has ear pink. Hope the shading is okay still. --Nigthflight 23:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I can barely see the ear pink. I know he's a black cat but it still needs to be visible... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I made him lighter. Hopefully he's better. --Nigthflight 00:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I still can't see the ear pink. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I can BARELY see the ear pink, it's almost black. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 19:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Bluestar-for approval

 * Here's Bluestar! The first leader we were all introduced to back in the good old days =D. I had fun making this with the upcoming release of Bluestar's Prophecy. The only problem I had doing was with her silver tinge lining her muzzle. Any suggestions on it?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 01:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There's too many smudges on the lineart, and I have a suggestion on the muzzle, just run over it with the silver brush lightly along the sides and blur. That's what I did on my very ugly Bluefur. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 01:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I alwasy thought that she was short-furred. The books said that she was 'sleek' didn't they --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 03:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful. Just blend some of the colours together more as it does look a little smudgy. She really is beautiful though <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Blend the ear pink and the muzzle a tiny bit more. Also, I agree with Dawn. It did say that she was sleek and I think that means she is short haired. Where is a reference that she had long hair?Minnowclaw 23:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

It says several times she has long fur, I'm not at home so I don't have a book to check... --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 16:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well until we can have this all cleared, I made two versions of Bluestar, one thats longhaired and the other is shorthaired. When we can figure it all out, I'll delete the one that isn't needed since they are on the same file together (takes up less space). I took Mal's suggestion with the muzzle and I blended the colors and ear.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

She's longhaired. Remember when she asked Fireheart the newly appointed deputy to escort her to HighStones? Just the two of them? It says then something about her getting out of breath and Fireheart hopes it was just because of her thicker fur. Um... here we go. p61/62 of the paperback version of Rising Storm (Sandstorm and Fireheart cover version) "Perhaps it's just climbing in this heat, he thought hopefully, After all, her pelt is thicker than mine." I think this shows she is longhaired but I can find another reference if there's still doubt. This was just the first that came to mind. Keep the longhaired, Shimmer <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:35, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Runningnose(MC) - For Approval
I wasn't sure whether or not to do him in the same style as I did Brightwhisker or not... the other way seems more likely.. Anyway, tell me what you think, and if i should change it so he is gray with a white belly, chest, muzzle, with a few paws too. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 13:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I like him like this. I can't see anything wrong :) Nice work! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

He is a gray and white cat. Make the patches a little bit more gray.Minnowclaw 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The patches can't exactly get any grayer as they are gray, with no other colours mixed in. What do you mean? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

A lighter gray.Minnowclaw 23:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Is this better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ya, sorry for being so picky, it just looked like black. I think this is ready for approval.Minnowclaw 01:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Tinypaw (Ki) - For Approval


The last of the trio! Constructments? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a tiny bit of smudging outside of it's left side of the head. Also, blend the shading on the head more.Minnowclaw 22:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Reuploaded <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd put up the approval thingym but I think we should give some other people a chance first. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that the areas without shading need to be whiter. She looks like a pale gray cat to me. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Cloudstar - For Approval


Okay, my first leader, the mysterious tom who appeared to Firestar in Firestar's Quest! I tried to follow Dawnfeather's shading style as her Windstar looked so good lol Constructments? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The white patches on the back and the hind leg need to be a little bit more white, they look gray. There is also some smuding outstide the line art. Last, there is a patch of black on it's right foreleg. If it's shading, you need to blend it.Minnowclaw 22:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Reuploaded. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Sandy he looks great! His white patches need to be a little more white like Minnowclaw said. And also, blend the shading a little more, it looks sort of dark and lumpy. Hawkfire My Den 13:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

One of these lumps is a dark dot just above the front foreleg. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It might be my computer since I know how it acts, but I think it could use more shading. It doesn't look like there's much.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I redid all the shading and whitened the patches. Hopefully it got rid of the lumpy shading <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Also fix the smudges that are outside of the lines. - Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95  23:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Tallstar(Le)- For approval
Comments?--Yai-Girl 14:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Very good. =) Maybe tone the ear pink a shade lighter, blend the black patches, and add shading.--<font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Good, just do all the things above, and make the eye amber (orange) because it's yellow and he has amber eyes. Hawkfire My Den 21:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks more really dark brown then he does black. That may just be my computer though.--: LST DragonClan's Camp 00:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks good, but he has no shading. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 03:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Riverstar(Le) - For Approval
Wow, everyone really seems to be lik'in doing these leaders, huh. Oh well, I'm not going to be the spoil sport ! =D    --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Oooooo pretty....*stares* I love the eyes and the pelt and the all of it and I want to hug it. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 04:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)