Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Coal
Can we be sure if the Coal in The New Prohecy and the other Coal are the same cat? Just confused. ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 12:34, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

The Coal in Dawn? Your right, unless the Erin's confirm it's the same cat, they should have separate pages.--Stealthfire star (talk) 21:48, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Just checking with other members, is it okay if I go ahead and fix this? --Stealthfire star (talk) 04:39, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

The comments of one does not represent the entire project. Please wait until others have given their say. I'll hold judgement until I can check the books for myself.

I didn't find any cite for the two cats being the same. So I think they aren't the same cat. ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 08:10, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't find anything either. Duck, Beebs? What say you two on this? After all, you two are leader and deputy.

ask vicky on this? I mean she was editing through TNP (or NG, ehheehehe) so she probably knows if coal and coal are the same 12:40, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

If they aren't confirmed as the same cat split the page. 20:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Shall I split it for now? ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 08:18, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Go ahead. There hasn't been comments in quite awhile. 02:25, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

Some Characters Descriptions
I was just reading Tigerclaw's Fury when I noticed Runningwind, Thornclaw and Mousefur are called light brown. That seems fine, it's just a partial right? So why doesn't it count for Mousefur and Thornclaw? There is such a thing as light dusky brown and light golden-brown.

I stumbled over Brackenfur's page while looking, and the trivia is just as confusing. I understand the gingers but brown and golden? That could be just a partial. There is also the same situation for light brown too.

I think the light brown counts for Mousefur, Thornclaw and Brackenfur, it's just a partial, and I think Brackenfur's trivia needs to be cleaned up. Unless his specific called pure gold or pure brown, than that's not necessary. I'll track down the references later and double check. I just wanted to check with everyone if this is alright. -- 07:38, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Um... I think this is a PCA discussion? ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:40, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm talking about their written description and trivias, nothing about their pictures. That comes later. -- 07:45, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I think light brown counts as an alternate for Brackenfur, tbh. ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:48, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Why? Just trying to understand is all. Brown is part of his description and we usually count it as a partial. It's like adding to Lionblaze's trivia that he is mistakenly called golden, when it is part of his description. -- 07:56, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

But light brown isn't golden brown. Dusky brown is very different to light brown. =/ ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 07:58, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Light brown isn't golden brown. ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 07:58, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Light brown and golden brown aren't the same, and I looked up dusky brown and you'd basically be saying 'light dark brown'.

I see about the dusky brown part. I just looked it up.-- 08:06, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know much about pelt color, so I'm gonna leave that for you guys, but just to clarify, this would come to PC, PCA only handles the art, we handle the descriptions. 20:54, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Ancient Tribe Ranks
I was seriously wondering if the ancient cats who appear in Power of three and Omen of the Stars get ancient tribe ranks. They were called the ancient tribe multiple times in the Power Of Three series and in the end of Sign of the moon their leader was Half Moon, which indicates they are the same tribe as the one in the start of Dawn of the clans. ~ Burntclaw <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;"> Yolo <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">♫ ♪ 07:47, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I'm divided on this. I see your point, but then again, it could have taken Half Moon time to turn the group into a Tribe, and who knows who was alive when she did that.-- 08:07, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

In the last part of Sign Of The Moon, Jayfeather already called Half Moon "Stoneteller", and said, "you're a tribe now, untied in loyalty........" So he just said they were a tribe from that moment on, and called Half Moon Stoneteller. <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting;font-size:12px; color:Red; text-shadow:Orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">~ Burntclaw <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;"> Yolo <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">♫ ♪ 08:11, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it would be for the ones appearing in Long Shadows, since that was before Half Moon was appointed Healer. I wouldn't object to the cats still present in Sign of the Moon, though. They were called a Tribe, after all.

I really have nothing to say except that I agree with Skye. 16:13, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I guess we go with what we have. Do you need help with it all Burntclaw? -- 21:47, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

I believe all the cats categorized in the "Tribe Of Endless Hunting" except for the modern cats, like Broken Shadow and those cats would clarify as an ancient tribe cat. I'm not too sure but I believe the ancient cats in The Last Hope like Fallen Leaves and those were called the "Ancint tribe", I'm not sure... Gah I really need to check the books. <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting;font-size:12px; color:Red; text-shadow:Orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">~ Burntclaw <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;"> Yolo <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">♫ ♪ 00:09, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Anymore comments guys? ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 13:49, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

It's only been around three days, please calm down. Duck or Beebs haven't said anything yet, and a discussion cannot end without the comments from the leader/deputy of the project.

Eh cross that, they were only called The ancient cats, so.... Where /are/ the deputy and the leader? I haven't seen them much these days. <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting;font-size:12px; color:Red; text-shadow:Orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">~ Burntclaw <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;"> Yolo <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">♫ ♪ 12:54, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Both Duck and Beebs have real life obligations (as do I, but I don't have piles and piles of homework, I just have a job) that direct their attention elsewhere. Feel free to leave messages on their talk pages asking them to comment, though. I don't think either user would object to that.

if it's the one who appeared in sotm then sure they're ancient tribe cats but the ones from LS aren't 12:39, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

What Beebs said^ 20:55, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Since both leaders agree, I'll start editing the character pages and list blanks needed for PCA.-- 02:28, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'll help you, Stealth ^^ <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting;font-size:12px; color:Red; text-shadow:Orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">~ Burntclaw <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;"> Yolo <span style="font-family: Lucida Handwriting; font-size:11px;color:Red; text-shadow:orange 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">♫ ♪ 02:36, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I think with the names section though, put it as unknown as there's no proof they kept their names or changed them. -- 02:57, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Stagleap ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? -- 04:23, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

perhaps, again, find a better main quote?? the one he says at the Gathering (p. 133 i think) could be possibly neat 04:58, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure, throughout the book he comments that his scent scares away dogs, and that's pretty memorable. Can I get a second opinion? -- 22:11, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'd move that main quote down to the quotes section, and delete the 3rd and 4th quote in the quotes section, they really don't say anything about him. 20:58, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- 02:35, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Magpie and Mist
Hi, been awhile. I've noticed that they are listed as kittypets because they were taken by Twolegs. Tell me, how does that make them kittypets? Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Leafpool were taken by Twolegs, but they obviously were never kittypets. They were locked in cages. All we know is that Mitzi and Mist were taken and now live on another farm, which is hardly evidence. After all, Barley and Ravenpaw live on a farm, but again, not kittypets. <span style="">20:43 Mon Feb 2 2015

It's Magpie, not Mitzi. =P I asked Beebs before I added it, since she thought it was clear enough. If anything, it was because they were taken by the Twolegs??? idk, I saw a cite and went with it? I could have made a mistake and misinterpreted the cite when I brought it to her? Given that it says they were taken by Twolegs, I kinda went with the fact that they were actually taken to live elsewhere- Cloudtail, Brightheart, and Leafpool weren't actually taken to live anywhere.

Mitzi is the mom whoops. But still, its an assumption to say that they were then made kittypets, as we have no proof that they are cared for by Twolegs, or consider themselves kittypets. <span style="">20:57 Mon Feb 2 2015

It only says they were taken away by Twolegs and possibly living on another farm, that would more or so make them loners rather than kittypets. -- 22:02, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

We don't have proof that the two legs kept them as kittypets. Anything could've happened to them then when the two legs took them away. ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 00:20, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

<Prods discussion> 13:02, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Cats of Unknown Rank
There is a category for cats of unknown gender, can we make a category for cats of unknown rank? Ones like Nutmeg (TR) -- 22:47, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hello? -- 00:43, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

I see no issue. Go ahead. <span style="">3:16 Mon Feb 16 2015

Just a couple things I think need to be elaborated. Does confirmed to be in StarClan count as a rank? I'm talking about cats like Brightspirit and her parents, and what about cats that have been a kit or queen, but has an unknown rank right now? Like Arc and Shiningheart. Also, do non-cat characters fall under this category?

Also, I have an idea for another category, cats with unknown description. I've made a list and it's pretty big, I just want to know, (if this is alright with everyone too,) how strict we want it to be. Like completely no idea of description, or not enough for, charart or something. There are cats that have known eye colour but not pelt, and even a cat that has a broken jaw but nothing else. Also, what do I do about non-cat characters. Sorry if this is long. -- 03:31, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I'd do this only for Clan cats with an unknown rank, like Brightspirit, because no loners or rogues really have "ranks," and it would be pointless to give them all this category. But year for Brightspirit, and cats like her go for it. 04:35, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Done. Sorry it took a while, my internet crashed then did a few backflips.-- 22:03, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Accurate Information?
When I was on the WCF, I remember a couple of topics catching my eye. So I went back because they might have important information for the Wiki. Here they are: http://forums.warriorcats.com/topic/new-info-confirmed-by-vicky http://forums.warriorcats.com/topic/new-info-regarding-tigerstar I believe two of these facts are on the Wiki. I'm not so sure about the others since they're nowhere to be found. Does anyone ever remember seeing these on Vicky's Facebook? --Songheart (talk) 03:01, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

We have the information about Oakstar, Willownose (it's an "I think", meaning we can't add Willownose as female), and the Rainflower/Shellheart information. Unless there are direct links to her Facebook page, however, we cannot add these to pages. We don't use the "official forum" as a reference.

Jingo's leader rank
I've been reading through Sunrise, Jingo had stated something that caught my eye:
 * "Because the other cats need me. Every cat needs a leader - someone to follow, someone to make the hard decisions. That's why we listened to Sol. But it's my job now. I can't leave them."

This does mean she is a leader, I believe, since she said "it's my job now". Also, unofficially, Brambleclaw called her "Jingostar", so that basically means that everyone accepted her as their leader. So I was thinking if she'd get her leader rank? ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 12:39, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

We've had this discussion before, and since leader is a Clan only rank, she wouldn't get it. Scourge faces this same thing- BloodClan was never official; it was just a bunch of rogues that banded together under Scourge's "leadership".

Star Flower ~ Silver Nomination
Finally got it done. Comments? 20:36, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible to find her a better quote? Her quote is herself giving out an opinion on Clear Sky, and not about herself. My wording is terrible I'm sorry 07:34, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah maybe just shorten to family more important than anything.-- 07:40, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, it's fine, imo - there's cats who have similar quotes but flew by the radar. Plus it does kiind of feel ironic because Star Flower happens to be related to One Eye...who she looks up to...so it fits...yeah 19:05, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Storm Pelt ~ Silver Nomination
Yee. Comments? 19:08, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Eagle Feather ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? 19:12, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest
This discussion is being moved here since we are discussing about whether the Dark Forest is an organized group or a bunch or rogues on PCA. I found a cite that might help.-- 21:12, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

imo they're just a bunch of rogues like BloodClan, since we're going to use Spottedleaf as a valid source of information now 19:09, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Beebs here, they were never really "organized," sure they had a leader, but they actually didn't. If memory serves, they had kinda senior members (ie Tigerstar, Brokenstar, Thistleclaw, Mapleshade, etc) and then the "lower" members (ie Antpelt, Snowtuft, etc), and then trainees (ie Ivypool, Blossomfall, Birchfall, Mousewhisker, Breezepelt, etc). They were never really a "Clan" per say, just different seniority levels of a community. 02:40, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I have an idea. Let's try to see it at a different angle. <>

We are trying to compare them and decide if they are a Clan or a bunch of rogues, but if you think about it, they are neither. They are the opposite of StarClan, so not a Clan, but aren't just a bunch of rogues because their dead. I think we need to see them as something different, not a clan, not a bunch of rogues, but something different. Cause that's what they are. -- 05:07, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

But they are rogues based on our current definition of rogues; " hostile, usually aggressive [...] cats who do not belong to a Clan [...]." And they also follow the "general" rule through most of the series for rogues; "cats who have chosen to live by themselves [...] and scorn the Clan cats for their beliefs." They technically are rogues, but most definitely aren't a Clan, which is defined as "a highly structured society that is firmly divided," in the Warriors universe. They are not highly structured,and aren't firmly divided, either, they are simple roaming an afterlife with a frailly structured society, if you can even call it that, remember until Omen of the Stars none of the cats even met each other, they all roamed alone. I think that the Dark Forest cats should simply stay as rogues, because that's exactly what they are. 14:39, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Crookedstar's Promise shows otherwise, as Mapleshade brings Crookedstar to Silverhawk (or Shredtail?) who is training Thistleclaw, so theirs an inconsistency. Same with Power of Three, Hawkfrost is always with Tigerstar. Can everyone please read this. I worked hard on it. -- 21:45, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, using Leafstar as an example, she was actually a rogue in Firestar's quest, but still got a Kittypet and loner rank for being called one. The DF Warriors were called DF Warriors God knows how many times, imo they really should get the rank. Spottedleaf's one opinion on them really doesn't outweigh all the times they were called DF cats by the narration and the other StarClan cats likewise. If a rank was based on how they act, then basically the Sun drown place cats should all get loner ranks, and Willowbreeze should get a kittypet rank. 01:59, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

The cite you showed really says that they're rogues so. although they have been called warriors numerous times, word of god says otherwise <span style="">02:03 Mon Feb 16

But also, remember a being a "Clan cat" isn't just about ranks. A Clan was a group of cats who followed the warrior code, which is another reason they weren't a clan, imho. 04:37, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

This is just tiring... maybe we can have a vote on this? please? -- 04:41, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Wait a few more days, everybody needs to have an equal chance of discussing this before a CBV period or vote is considered. 04:43, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

StarClan cats - even those who weren't warriors - are called 'StarClan warriors' sometimes, so if we went with Burnt's logic, then they'd all get warrior images, no? 04:44, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't my logic, though. The warrior blanks are for clan warriors. The DF warriors aren't Clan cats, they are Dark forest cats. 04:49, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

I guess the question is: What is Dark Forest cats? I think they are not rogues, but not a Clan. Something new and different, like Tribe of Endless Hunting for example, but a group that's for sure. I don't think they're rogues, because their dead spirits like StarClan, but just plain evil.-- 05:20, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Cats of the Park
Should we consider them loners or their own separate group like a Clan? They've been seen to be very structured, with a mentor system and rituals like that of a Tribe or Clan, but at the same time we also know little about them and they don't seem aggressive, like a group of loners. Thoughts? <span style="">21:09 Mon Feb 16 2015

Again, I'd rather wait until the end of Dawn of the Clans arc, but I think we could treat them like the Ancient Tribe and Ancients. They are, after all, an ancient group.-- 21:30, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Why would we need to wait? We do have information on them now, about as much as we did on The Ancients after Long Shadows. <span style="">22:00 Mon Feb 16 2015

I think they're an organized group of loners, kinda like BloodClan, except in loner form. They are a separate group, but they're still loners, at least in my eyes from what we have now. 02:10, February 17, 2015 (UTC)