Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Asking for comments
While this is good and all, I'm really starting to think that three days is much too soon to be asking for comments, given the current activity level of the project. There have been quite a few times where I've seen users ask at exactly three days, instead of waiting, and this seems to be borderline impatience. Yes, I get it, you want an image approved. But asking for comments at exactly three days is getting on my nerves.

One of my recent images, Carpkit, went almost a full week without comments; I fail to see why we should still have the asking minimum at three. I'd actually like to up it to four, if not five. There are loads of other things you could be doing in the meantime, such as subpages or character articles, or something along those lines.

I'm sorry if this is rude, but the current activity level of the entire project, not just the leads, really doesn't permit asking for comments after only three days. I mean, I'd actually like to get rid of allowing asking for comments in general, since I know back when people like Icy and I were warriors, that kind of stuff only annoyed the leads and lead to your images being declined.

Sure. I do think, that if this were to be implemented, that if a user had no comments for 6 (or so) days, then they should be able to have a few extra days to upload (and not break the one week upload thingy) and not get their image declined. There really is plenty to do on the wiki anyway, so perhaps this will encourage others to edit the mainspace more.

If someone does not get any comments, for say, five days, and gets a comment on the sixth day, I would never knowingly decline an image for that. They were waiting for comments, but hadn't gotten any, and that's not something I would personally hold against them. Now, if they got a comment and didn't upload for another five days, then that's another story.

Let's do this for an example:
 * Image is uploaded on the 1st of the month, and is posted that same day.
 * User does not get a comment until the 7th - this would be nearing the seven day mark for uploads. (six days)
 * User does not see comment until the following day (the 8th) would have an additional two days to upload, past the 7th day. (seven days + two extra)
 * So, using this method, a user would have until the 10th of said month to upload an image, before losing it.

Or something like that, to make it fair, as I know users like Sunjaw and myself have extremely busy lives and cannot be on 24/7.

i'm fine with upping it to four (maybe five) but it would also help if our sw's actually, you know, did their job (i am aware people are busy i am too sometimes but its gets ridiculous at this point) or we nominated more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:24, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the plan Jayce put out. I would love to be more active again, but sadly being a 21 year old college student means I am not at this time, even with trying my hardest to check on my laptop (not mobile) more than once every day or two. I also agree with possibly nominating more SWs. I am definitely not one to question anyone's activity levels, but I think activity level is definitely a good reason to do a little bit of adjustment and change. 19:50 Fri Oct 28

With declining due to lack of work, I usually look to when a person's commented last, not when they uploaded last. It just seemed unfair to me to count those days they couldn't do anything anyway. :/Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:24, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

This sounds fair. 00:26, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, too. I'd also support perhaps nominating another SW too, as said above.

Are we going to get any further comments on this?

If I'm not toooo late to bust into this conversation, I'm having a slight bit of trouble understanding your example. If I read it right, you're saying if somebody posts an image and nobody comments, they get two days? Anyways, this is a really fine idea. A few users are being too obsessive on editing only talkspaces, so this could drive them to be more productive on mainspace. --

I have to agree, five days sounds completely fair. —  Minkclaw   04:57, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Tabbies
I might spend a minute or two writing this for others to read, but I think it would be something to talk about.

Firstly, cats that are described only as ginger, pale ginger, russet, or tawny, their chararts almost always have stripes on them, despite the cat not described with any stripes.

Yes, those type of cats never appear without stripes, but what really matters is the description itself, not what it would be like in the real world.

Warriors is FANTASY, (caps that so it stands out) and that means, the series itself may have unrealistic features, including unrealistic pelt colors and the fact that kits don't always open their eyes and they're blue. (Added that in because people kept arguing about that on roleplays.)

One thing to mention, Redtail is a tortoiseshell, and in the real world, that is nearly impossible to occur. And we still throw him in with that charart anyway. So why do we throw stripes in with some plain-colored cats?

We're not changing it now, Flow. Ginger cats have stripes, and cream and yellow colored ones do as well due to cream being a dilute form of ginger. We've had this discussion before, and it's gotten nowhere. Also, stripes on tawny cats is optional, not mandatory, due to it being part of the ginger family, or something along those lines. Russet-colored cats should not have stripes without a cite, due to russet being a reddish-brown.

tbh it seems like you're kinda yelling at us over this, so tone it down a bit. And are you implying that Redtail and the other tortoiseshell toms shouldn't have chararts??????? o.O

I apologize it it seems like that. I'm just very... confused. And no, I'm not saying they shouldn't have chararts, I'm just scratching my head on why we put stripes on plain cats, even though they are never mentioned with stripes, not even as a mistake, plus the fact what Warriors is a fantasy book series, and most of the elements contained in it, including the fact that ginger feral cats can appear without stripes. 07:11, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

I don't like it either, but trust me, you're beating such a dead horse that no one's gonna agree to change. We've been doing this for at least five years, and at this point, changing all of them back to solid cats if they aren't called a tabby is counterproductive, a waste of time, and throwing away a perfectly acceptable image. Ginger cats are always tabbies in real life, so that's what we did. They're not "plain cats"; they're ginger cats, and ginger cats always have stripes.

I'm just going to end this argument, I am getting really nervous rn. 07:24 November 26, 2016 (UTC)

it's not an argument; I'm trying to save you the frustration of having to deal with everyone else throwing the realism card at you. Many have tried before you, and I'd hate to see you put anymore time into it when I can promise that it won't change. I'm not even trying to be rude; it's just been in use so long that it's highly impossible to change without redoing many images, and something we don't have anywhere near the editors for right now. It just... won't work with how things are now.

I feel with you Flow, Kate even stated here that red cats who aren't described as tabbys don't have stripes in her imagination. I think it's a bit sad to mix in the "logic real world" in the character arts since this wiki should show how the cats are described by the authors accurately and not just (pleace don't hit me!) make things like the tabby look up. I would be happy if it changes somewhen, but it doesn't look like it will ever happen :c 14:01, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

it'll never get done with the ssmall amount of ppl we have, we haven't even gotten through all those starclans so meh, might as well leave it. if you really don't want to put stripes on a ginger cat though, just put an m on the face and couple tail stripes, it counts. ;^) 14:23, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but she specifically says that this is in her head, so it's not something that can be applied here?


 * "I find that what happens is, I describe a ginger (or grey) cat, imagining it to be all one colour, but then Cherith or Vicky will add stripes in a future book and then the stripes stick. Theoretically, all warrior cats will end up tabby since stripes can be added but not taken away."

That says she imagines them as one color, not that they are. We cannot use this, due to it just being in her imagination, and not a direct confirmation of one way or the other. Your comment is a bit... rude, I'd say, as we're not doing anything inaccurate, and we are following what actually happens in real life. There is nothing wrong with that and it's not sad. It's realistic, and if there's a problem with that, then I don't know what to tell you. We've tried before to use the "the series isn't realistic" card, myself included, and we've all gotten shot down.

How am I being rude? I didn't say anything insulting, nor did I argue about the color family stripes, I only wrote a few paragraghs on my opinion. 01:57, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't talk about you, I was talking about Mew. o.O

Sorry, I'm tired right now and I had a long day, therefore, puzzling me into missing peices of text. Rip.... 02:05, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

I'm really sorry that I sounded rude, it really wasn't meant to sound like that. I think I'm just bad at explaining my opinion D:. Just ignore it then please. 10:31, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

Kit Lineart
Can someone send me a link to the page where we were discussing kit lineart? XD

01:23, November 27, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we were discussing kit lineart? And please don't use the talk page for idle chit-chat either. 13:56, 11/27/2016

Actually, some people were discussing it here recently

VectorSigma101 - Join Request
Hi! I was wondering if I could join this project. --VectorSigma101 03:00, November 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I added you in. Be sure to read the guidelines. 20:51, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

XxKestralstormxX Join Request
Hi Im Kestralstorm, Aka: Kestral, Stormy. I was wondering if I could join! :) XxKestralstormxX (talk) 00:56, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I added you in. Be sure to read the guidelines. 20:51, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Shypaw11-Join Request
I was wondering if I could join! I might not be available at all times but I will do as much as I can. Sorry if I've been too annoying! ^-^  Shypaw11 (talk) 01:09, December 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi! Could I join? I hope this is the right place for this :> AlphysIsHere (talk) 02:15, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

XxFallenpetal12xX~Join Request
Hi, I'm XxFallenpetal12xX, or you can call me Fallen. I wish to join the Charart group. 13:06, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Blizzardheart4 -Join Request
Am I allowed to join? I could be either a kit or apprentice, I am just learning how to do this. Thanks!

Blizzardheart4 (talk) 23:34, December 17, 2016 (UTC)Blizzardheart4

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

PrettyPuppy40- Join Request
Hi, may I join the Character Art group? PrettyPuppy40 (talk) 15:28, December 18, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

TheUsual - Join Request
Hi, my name is TheUsual. I would like to join this group if i may. 00:29, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 01:10, December 23, 2016 (UTC)

Firestar's collar
So, on Firestar's kit version, the color is purple. But on the cover of Into the Wild, it shows a blue collar broken at his feet. I know the cover of Into the Wild is messed up, but that's the only time his collar's shown.

Collar color is artists choice. —  Minkclaw   23:03, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Shadowbright67 ~ Join Request
I'd like to join the project. Shadowbright67 (talk) 23:02, December 24, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 14:59, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

NightslashWarrior access request.
So, according to vec, I accidentally signed up on the arcive. So I'm gonna say here. May I join? I use Corel painter essentials 5.

Yes, be sure to read the guidelines. 14:59, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Tribe Of Endless Hunting Character Art
I'm not a part of the Project, but shouldn't there be a Tribe Of Endless Hunting Character Art picture for characters such as Rain and Cloud? ErmineGlow (talk) 03:27, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

I really don't think so. The tribe cats call their old cats, elders, as well. Even if they didn't call them that the elder lineart is used for all old cats. 04:00, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

I was talking about the Tribe of Endless Hunting, which is the ancestors of the Tribe. I used Rain and Cloud as a example because they are seen in the Tribe of Endless Hunting in Sign of The Moon.ErmineGlow (talk) 13:09, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

pretty sure we don't know if they're rankless like starclan, so we can't give them images for it. 13:26, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Okay ErmineGlow (talk) 14:44, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Question
How do you become an apprentice? I thought you had to get one cat approved but I guess not. ^^ 01:30, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

It's actually easier than that^^ One just has to post a peice of art to 50% completion to be promoted - from what I've seen. and that's somewhere in the guidelines too (I think)

Alright, thanks. But shouldn't I be an appie?Since my Hawkwing kit got approved? Sorry if I am being pushy. ;-; 03:07, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Warrior
Sorry for being annoying, but do you know how to become a warrior? 21:29, January 11, 2017 (UTC)