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Stonefur Alt. (D) ~ For Approval
I really hate the shading and the ear pink. >_< Comments? 20:33, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the ear pink tons. Make the ear pink smaller and center it as well. 20:38, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I knew that would happen. But I still dont like it and I blured over it a bunch... 22:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink color less neon/bright. Dull it. 22:32, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tryed to dullen it but I ended up darkening it....I had now idea how do dull it to be truthful... 22:44, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Give the eye some depth, not just one flat color. Blur the shading more, add some between the foreleg and haunch, and have less on the tail. 22:46, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. 22:57, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I thought the shading was funny. And I did my best with the depth. Looks better now! 23:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink. 23:03 Sat Nov 5

Blur the shading a lot and thicken it. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:42, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

The shading needs major blurring, fix that. 00:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the heading for you. Anyway, redo the shading so it conforms to the contours of his body and add depth to his eye, maybe change the color to match that image, which is where the alt came from. You might want to tone down you highlights, too. 01:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I re-did the hole thing and I added the depth as much as I could. Comments? 01:43, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred a lot. 03:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blured and blured but it doesn't look to different. Sorry you guys... 03:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I believe this needs to be renamed Stonefur.deputy.alt.png 03:48, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Want a really useful tip for blurring the shading so it looks natural? Take your blur tool, set it on "60", then blur the edges of the shading with a small brush, then get a slightly larger brush, use the blur tool, set it on "100", then blur where you smudged. You may have to do it more than once, but once it looks natural, then you're good to go! 05:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the earpink, and make it more triangular. 13:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded @Twilightheart I tryed but it just ended up with spaces and @ Shadewing I don't really know how to dullen the ear pink but...well I tryed! 16:22, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can help you if you want. 16:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

What with, Stoneclaw? 18:38, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

You don't know how to dull earpink? You just.. darken it.. Perhaps smudge the shading and then blur the smudges a lot. I do that sometimes. -- 19:51, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I made the shading worse...if possible... 20:19, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Do you need help with the shading? -- 22:16, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes plesae... 23:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I redid the shading for you and blurred the earpink. -- 00:00, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Awesome, Snowwy. ^^ 02:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Just blur the shading on his neck.

Reuploaded Thanks for the help Snow.. And I used Ivystripe's thing. THanks for the help everyone! -- 15:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. -- 00:11, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I also darken it a touch. 00:40, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred a bit. 02:57, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Other than the shading that needs to be blurred, this looks really great. :) . 04:32, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks. I actually blured it a lot to be sure. :) 22:39, November 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * ) Better. The shading on the tail just looks to dark, can you fix that? If not, I think it's okay. ^.^ . 23:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Now that I look at it I know see that you are right. *dips head* Thank you for your comment. 01:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful, Sandstorm, dull the earpink. 03:16, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thank you. And changes not showing. Made very nice progress over the few days! I really love this now! 03:29, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the chest shading? 01:02, November 11, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I blured everything just to be sure. 01:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred more. 18:36, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Especially around the shoulder and neck. ;) . 21:23, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Did you smudge the shading on the neck.....? Smooth out the shading by blurring it. -- 12:12, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I am gonna work on this soon but Snowwy I didn't touch it other than blurring it... Why Snowwy? 20:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe because it looks smudged :P Blur it out nevertheless when you get to work on this. -- 21:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blurred a lot. The changes aren't showing. Other then the shading I think this is good! 16:54, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Could you blur the shoulder shading a tad? 02:28, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded You say blur, then I shall BLUR! 02:56, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Still need to be blurred more. You can see where the shading and the highlights (if you use them, if not, than the normal pelt color), meet. Try and blend it. 18:39, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink looks like a blob. Please make it more triangular.

I think the earpink looks okay. There's lot of chararts with earpinks like that. 20:12, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I didn't touch the ear pink. The changes aren't showing >_< 21:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and make it fit into the ear more. Blur the shading/highlights and smooth them out considerably. 00:34 Tue Nov 15

Reuploaded I really don't get what's up with the shading. I blured it soo much! >_< 22:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

You can always use Gaussian Blur to blur the shading. Theres a Gaussian Blur on Pixlr, I think. 23:20, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

...What? But I used Ivystripe's thing and it normally works! 23:24, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights bigger. 00:01, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I also blured it a lot. 02:40, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur 'em more. Also, this needs to be named Stonefur.deputy.alt.png. 03:26, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on the neck looks uneven, can you smoot it out do it doesn't look so bumpy? :) . 03:46, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I renamed it. Can somebody help with the shading? I can't blur it anymore! 23:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

What program do you use? It should be easy enough to do it yourself. Smudge it and blur it. Also right now the shading doesn't make much sense. Look at this tutorial image and follow one of the warrior shading examples. I'd suggest the first one, as it seems the closest to what you have right now. 00:23 Thu Nov 17

I use pixlr. I already smudged it becuase somebody else told me too. 01:29, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be changed a lot. It really doesn't make much sense as it is right now. 01:32 Thu Nov 17

Well I did my best... But it doesn't make sense? It's a charart... 01:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Shading needs to make a charart look 3D and right now yours isn't serving that purpose. It doesn't look like you changed anything. Did you reupload? 02:03 Thu Nov 17

Lighten the shading then blur like it could save your life XD 18:51, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

I would say thin out the neck shading. 20:32, November 17, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I just re-did the whole thing. 23:05, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful, perhaps add a bit of shading on the tail. :3 00:24, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded There was already shading there so I darkened it. Thank you for your praise 01:51, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think you use highlights... right? Just guessing. If you do, can you brighten the highlight on the haunch to match the other highlighted spots? 01:58, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice. Make the tail lighter, and darken the shading on it. Right now it looks all shading. -- 02:01, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Yes, I use highlights. 02:38, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more of a triangle, 'cause right now, it seems like a blob with a small point. xD 07:57, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am soo glad I re-did this!

Much better. Darken the feet and add a light area to the tail so it looks more dimensional. Make the earpink smaller and dodge it a bit. 23:51 Fri Nov 18

Reuploaded I just made the area on the tail lighter because it was already there. I leik this :3 00:29, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Did it specify which cat in the picture was him? I always though the front one (with amber eyes) was Graypool and the back one was Stonefur. If that was the case, this would need to be darkened and the eye color would need to be changed. How do we decide which cat's which in these cases? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:47, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm well I don't know. Leads? 17:36, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I have the book right in front of me. I do believe Stonefur is the cat furthest to the right, however, it doesn't directly state it. If I'm correct, this needs to actually be lightened. Throughout the book, on the pages where there are groups of cats, the order of the wording at the bottom of the page with the picture is usually the order of the cats in the picture themselves. We don't know this for sure, though. In fact, this shouldn't even be up if we don't know for sure which cat is which. 18:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

O.O whhhaaaat? 18:13, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Talon had an alt and Sharpclaw received one too assuming that the order of wording is the same as that in the pictures. Concerning the picture, there seems to be more of a highlight on the fore paw nearest us rather than on the tail. Nice job 18:26, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

So before and if I reupload, is this declined? 18:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC) Define and darken the shading and blur the highlights. 23:32, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded The highlight is on the tail and the paw. 02:21, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah it doesn't really make sense for the highlight to be on the paw. Darken it to match the rest of the leg, and darken the hind paw that definitely should be in shadow. 05:01 Sun Nov 20

Spiderstar (Lo) ~ For Approval
Special thanks to Oblivion for helping when I was completly desperate! Anyways, comments? 01:40, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

You need to blur the stripes xD I sent it to you just after I had finished in Paint so you could blur them yourself. 01:41, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Fixed the shading/highlights. Also blurred stripes. 01:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights go in the proper place, since it looks like a big blotch of light in the middle. Also tone down the earpink, its too bright/hot pinkish it. Love the stripes! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

And fix the miscolored lineart. Also make the eyes look right. (see the apprentice tutorial for how they're supposed to look) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  02:08, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

She can do the eyes any way she wants. It's how I did my eyes, and no one said anything about that. There's no specific guidelines for eyes. 02:10, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. 02:54, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

But highlights in other places and make the ear pink much smaller. Don't let it take up the whole ear. Also redden it or darken it. Thicken some stripes and lighten the tail. Great! 03:20, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the highlight a lot. It makes him look gray. 03:23, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Darken/define the shading. As far as I can tell, I only see the highlights. Good job so far! 05:10, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty good for your first charart! Define the tail highlights. 15:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Specifically define the shading along the shoulder and thighs. 19:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'm not sure what a lot of those words mean, but I did fix it. I ofund out we don't need highlights, so I took them out, making it look a lot better. I changed the ear-pink. Added shading. And fixed the stripes. Agh, I feel much better. (Thanks Snoweh!) 20:26, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading a bit more as in darken the edges of the charart and as you move into the main body start lightening the shading if you have the light source right in front of the cat. Redden/darken the earpink via the paint brush/burn tool. And blur the stripes more. Nice! 20:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Tried my best! Thanks! (I thought I would suck at this, but I'm doing ok now) 20:57, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink needs to be the same colour as his leader's, but this is nice. :D Sky- VoldemortxMcGonagall ftw! 20:58, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

And how do I do that? Dx 21:43, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the whole thing and define/add shading. Also, to take the earpink off of the leader image, just copy the leader image into whatever program you use, then color pick. Easy. ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  22:34, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a huge amount and try adding highlights. Look at tutorials if you don't know how. 03:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

How do I lighten it? And the tutorial doesn't have a loner example. So I don't know where to put 'em. 11:56, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think on Night shine's and a few other's tutorials there is a section that shows where shading and highlights go on every rank. It's like a big chart or something. Hope that helps! 20:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

If you use layers you can lighten the base coat by just filling it with a different colour, but if you don't use layers you can use the dodge and colourize tools to lighten it (just be careful of the lineart). 21:09, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

There is waste near the tail, paws and head/neck areas-could you erase it? M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   23:13, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink. Do you need help? 02:00, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''RE-UPLOADED. '''Ok, I re-did the base coat, erased the waste. But I don't think I should redden the ear pink, because I got it from his leader image. Unfortunalty, I couldn't find a tutorial on where to put the highlights. (Because the video tutorials won't load) Besides I thought we didn't have to have highlights? Or am I mistaken? 12:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and make the earpink more triangular. I'm pretty sure highlights are optional, but we do have to have shading I think... 17:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Yes, highlights are optional but you have to have shading. I can still see waste around the charart, so try to erase that and define the shading. ^-^ M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   17:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

If you wanna know where to put highlights, they go on the highest point on a cat's body- the shoulder and haunch muscles, the belly, andthe places where the light would directly hit them, such as the front of the face and the top of the tail. The muscle and belly shading should be round. They don't have to be a circle but should at least conform to the shape of the muscle. I hope I helped. 19:15, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined the shading and made the ear-pink more triangular. Misty, I didn't see any waste. SO I couldn't erase it. I personally don't want to add highlights, because I would fail at it, and I want to do the rest of the image (hopefully) on my own. 00:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

The waste is around the entire charart. It's faint, but trust me, it's there. 02:58, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Also redden the ear pink and make it a touch bit triangular. Also blur it a lot. This looks nice! 02:59, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me, or am i seeing no shading? Sorry, if there is, darken it up, please. I love it by the way. :) . 04:36, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Darkened Shading. And erased waste. @Sandstorm Should I redden the ear-pink? I thought you wanted it the same as the leader image? @Thistleberry There is shading, but when I blurred it, it probably went into the whole pelt too. 11:50, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten up the base color just a tad. Otherwise nice job Sweety! Star shine ☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:19, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''I tried too Dx 21:36, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the earpink should be the same as the leader, but when comparing the two, they're just a slight shade off of one another. I say brighten it rather than redden it. Anyways, like you've been hearing all the time, the shading is really faint. Define it by a large amount. I wouldn't darken it because then someone will probably tell you to lighten the whole image, but perhaps emphasize the lighter parts of the shading even to the possible extent of using highlights. Just try things out a bit (I suggest trying layers like in the tutorials if you're not already;)) Love the stripes though :3 03:38, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what "define" means ro how to do it. I probably should have asked before, but I didn't. And whenever I use layers, after I save it, the image comes back in 1 layer and I don't know how to make it come back in all of the layers I used. 11:24, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Do you use GIMP Sweetflower? Because then you can just save the image as a xcf. file. That file keeps all the layers. When you open GIMP with that file, all the layers pop up. But, you have to double save it first as a png. (or whatever file you want) then a xcf. You can't upload xcf. files on this Wiki. Hope that helped! :) 12:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! It did help :D 23:08, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading, and make the earpink smaller and blur it. 01:00, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hopefully did what you asked. 11:35, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the tail stripes. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:19, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps lighten the whole image a tad? It seems too dark to see the shading. 21:52, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred stripes on tail, plus I tried to lighten the image, I tried soemthing else, and it made a blob... so yeah. 22:44, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the hightlights/Shading. 01:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the entire charart and make sure that the colors match his leader charart. Make the ear-pink smaller and blur it. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

You need any help Sweet? Don't be afraid to ask if you do. I'd be happy to help out if you need it. :) Define the shading more and everything everyone else said. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I decided to restart and I like it much better xD. I think I'm good, I don't need any help right now. :) 16:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice. There's some waste around it, though. Tilt your computer screen and you can see it. =) 16:14, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Much better Sweety. Shrink the earpink a bit, then blur it. 16:42, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Theres still a lot of waste around the charart, try to erase it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   17:24, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten him the shading a little more. 17:25, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the ear pink and make it a little bit smaller. Also maybe make the stripes a little bit darker. It doesn't look black. Very nice job! 21:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes don't need to be black. Nothing does. Lighten the shading, and blur it. There's also waste around the entire image. 21:05, November 12, 2011 (UTC)\

Beautiful Sweety!! Just blur the earpink lots because it looks solid. Star shine ☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:37, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Done all those things above ^^ Except for the stripes thing. (Guys please stop calling me Sweety. Sweet is fine xD)

How do I erase it without going into the lineart? 23:51, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Need help? 00:00, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Be very careful. Or move the lineart to a different layer by selecting the black with the magic wand tool if your program has it so that the color is underneath the lines. ~Breezewhisker~ 00:05, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Could you help me with that? 01:10, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I will. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:27, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Here you go. All gone. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:33, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a bit. 06:00, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks so much Breezewhisker!. Re-took the ear-pink from his leader image. 11:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Please blur the earpink Sweet. And it is also too low into the face. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 18:58, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Better? :) 22:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the base coat and darken the shading, if that makes any sense. Darken and shrink the earpink. <span style="">00:35 Tue Nov 15

Redden the earpink, too. 00:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to lighten the base coat, it's from his leader image. So I don't think I should. But I will try to redden the ear pink, I think it got "too" blurred and went brown-ish. 00:09, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Reddened ear-pink. 00:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Can you dull the earpink a bit? 21:40, November 16, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

The ear-pink is the same from his leader. <span style="">22:37 Wed Nov 16

This shading has been bugging me a lot (no offence). How about I do a really quick loner tutorial and stick it on my tutorial page? That way you'll know what to do :) 22:41, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, ok. <span style="">22:45 Wed Nov 16

Blur the earpink please. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 23:35, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Crap, never mind. How about you look at this and copy the loner shading. The shading on your image right now is really hard to see, and it's really oddly placed. No offence to you, this image is good :) 00:13, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Is that better? I re-did the shading. And darkened the ear-pink. <span style="">01:27 Thu Nov 17

Lots better. Make the earpink a bit redder, and erase the waste: then this will be perfect :3 <span style="">01:28 Thu Nov 17

Re-uploaded Where is the waste? I oddly can't see it on my computer. Reddened the earpink. <span style="">02:03 Thu Nov 17

Kind of between the legs and along the back.. I could get it if you wnat. :3 M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:37, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Try filling in the background with a neon colour and then you'll see where it is. After you've erased it all, you can colour select the neon colour and delete it. <span style="">02:46 Thu Nov 17

Shrink the earpink a bit. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:04, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste all over the background. Fix that and it's perfect 19:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Misty could you please get it? :) I'd really appreciate that. And I hate how I can't see it! Dx. <span style="">21:21 Thu Nov 17

There. All gone :) I also made the background transparent. And, a bit of the lineart from the ear without the earpink is chopped off. If you look at the loner lineart, I'm sure it will be easy to fix. M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:28, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll do that now!. <span style="">21:32 Thu Nov 17

Re-uploaded <span style="">21:46 Thu Nov 17

Redden the earpink. Nice work. :3 01:06, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading; it looks much darker than his leader, even though you used the same base colours. 21:07, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I just lost all of my layers :/ How do I lighten the shading now? <span style="">22:11 Fri Nov 18

I'd recommend opening the png file and then cutting the white part from the blank and pasting it into a new layer. Then colour select that layer and dodge the entire image. That way you don't lighten the lineart as well ^^ Hope that helped. Make the earpink a smaller and redder. <span style="">23:49 Fri Nov 18

The, erm, white part? Um, what is that? <span style="">00:26 Sat Nov 19

Like you know when you have a plain blank and it hasn't yet been coloured in? Well the white part from that. Erase the waste. Did you reupload it? <span style="">03:50 Sat Nov 19

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:00 Sat Nov 19

Emphasize the shading a bit more, darken it, lighten certain areas, whichever way you're comfortable with. Make the earpink a bit smaller possibly by smudging the pelt color in the ear more and then blur if necessarily. Get rid of the waste and make it transparent. I can always help with that. :3 Wonderful! 04:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

How do you make the background transparent? <span style="">14:08 Sat Nov 19

Often I add a layer, right click the background layer and select "Merge" on the drop down list. Then, use the color selection tool (not the wand) and select all the white, and erase. Sometimes you don't need to add another layer, but I do. :P I could do it for you while you work with your mentor on that. :3 16:03, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, it's just I'm worried about having too much help. And if you did that, wouldn't I loose all of my layers? <span style="">19:17 Sat Nov 19

Depends, do you have white on all your layers? If you do, then you'll have to go on each layer and delete the white/waste. If you just have a few, then it'll take less time but still the same process 19:21, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks Atelda! <span style="">21:05 Sat Nov 19

Velvet (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? 03:40, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Move the nametag to the middle of her chest and blur the shading a bit. 03:43, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rename it Velvet.queen.png, make the background transparent and add depth to the eyes by varying the colors from light to dark. Like I said on chat, it looks great! 03:45, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 04:07, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the nametag bigger and make it hang a little, such as in Nutmeg's pixil (that's the only one I can think of atm). The earpink is too bright. You can take it from an approved white cat (I'm assuming she's supposed to be white?) On the belly, there is a strip of lighter colored pixils, make sure the shading is consistant there, as well as on the top of the tail. 16:26, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Her description says silver, but I just tried to copy the color of her kittypet charart. And due to technical difficulties I can't post the new image until Friday or Saturday :/ 21:18, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the a smidge since the kp version looks abit lighter, and I agree with Ivy on the collar - 23:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think the kittypet should be tweaked, because it looks white to me, not silver. 23:26, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The shading needs to be lightened, alot. And can you make the earpink not so bright? Looks nice, though. :) . 04:43, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading everywhere except the face. 04:58, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the belly shading and make the name tag bigger and more circular. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:21, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and lighten the yellow on the circle in the collar if you can please. 22:45, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Nice first image here Pouncey! ;) Dull the highlights. 01:19, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste on < that side of her around the paw farthest from us, the area around the collar, and the side of the face. :3 03:43, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Theres some dots of waste around the whole charart, but yes, it's mainley where Atelda had described. :) . 04:51, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Fallow, are you still working on this? 21:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh yes im still working on this, just havent been able to get to a computer all week. 00:44, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Sorry it took so long D: 00:58, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The tag should be more to our left, underneath her chin. 16:25, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the ear pink and the shading. 19:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Naw, naw. Teh earpink and shading are good as they are, Darken the shading a bit. - 19:48, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The collar seems a little off... It doesn't look even with the rest of the head area. Try making it more like Nutmeg's, perhaps. 02:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes look almost...purple. Color pick them from the kittypet image. 22:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful!!! Just blur the shading that's on the belly. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 22:02, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 23:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Some of the shading is on top of the tail, can you switch that so it's on the bottom? Lovely. :) . 03:48, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Once again, Fallow... Are you still working on this? It's been a few days without an upload. 03:50, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I'm still working on this, I just want to see if I can get more comments before I reupload it. I want it to be perfect when I reupload 18:07, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to wait until there's more comments. That just wastes time, and makes the leads think you're not working on it. 18:13, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the belly shading. And define the earpink. 20:30, November 17, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

This is lovely! Just darken the highlights(If you use them. If you don't darken the area where the shading isn't) 23:08, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

No, shes silver, so the highlights are supposed to be really bright. - 00:27, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink. 01:07, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foreleg farthest from us. 02:02, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur where the shading meets the highlights. 05:30, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Move the tag over this way <--- a bit more, erase a bit of the collar lineart as it's on the thick side. Lighten up the shading near the base of the tail, darken the earpink color (I preferably liked it before you changed it, annoying I know, sorry!) and add depth to the eye by varying the colors from light to dark. Nice work! 05:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot and add a lighter patch (like a highlight, but not) to the tag. It's metal, so it would probably catch the light somehow. <span style="">05:37 Sun Nov 20

Sharpclaw(SC) (Alt.W) - CBA
Right, here he is. I copied the stripes as exactly as I could, but I know the earpink fails. Comments? Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:59, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Theres some waste between the front and back legs. And make the chest less pink. 20:02, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't Shelly have this up? Cause she does, so, this will have to be declined by a lead. Sorry :( Rain  face &lt;3 20:04, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly has the deputy version up. 20:06, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste in between the legs. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink">Spring...✿ 20:09, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the stripes on his front legs. 20:16, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the earpink more defined and pink. 20:35, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dur, I ish dumb, sorry Leopard :( Rain  face &lt;3 20:32, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes on the front legs. 21:27, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Good job with the stripe, but the base color is a bit off... I picked mine right off the image, and it had a slightly orange tint. 21:38, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink smaller and define it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:58, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The file needs to be renamed Sharpclaw.warrior.alt.png. 22:21, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, it's Sharpclaw (SC).warrior.alt.png. It should be the name of the page, not just the character. 22:24, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot I added the (SC) bit. XD 00:07, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the places where you smudged. 03:04, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, if Leopardclaw did that it wouldn't match my image. Define/darken the shading please. 03:05, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Neepgos. The triangle between all the legs is filled in. :P By the way, I think is is an amazing job. . 04:47, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the front paw stripes. 12:02, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded So much smudging! Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  17:29, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

You still need to rename the image. 18:33, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

There's some white where the brown is supposed to be. Other than that it seems perfect to me. ^_^ <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:13, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome stripes! What program do you use to draw them? Also, make the earpink much smaller and center it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   23:02, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the back paw please. The shading on the paw is too dark. 23:13, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink and lighten the tail shading. Very good job with the stripes! 03:00, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the white on his chest is too big. And the white around his eye needs to go around the top. 03:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink smaller and blur it. 12:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploded I use Pixlr. It works just fine. And if this hasn't renamed, can someone tell me how on earth you rename images? Yeah. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  17:20, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

To rename it, you reupload it with the correct file name, and tag the other for deletion. 20:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, it's already been renamed. Sorry about that. 20:49, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 20:50, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste near the ear closest to us. 20:52, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm actually fairly happy with this. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:30, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

This looks very handsome. lol just brighten up the hind paws because they seem very dark. Other than that I don't see anything wrong with this. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:14, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The white still goes down too low. I didn't make it looked like it stretched down his belly. 21:34, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

You can still see where you smduged everything. Try setting your blur tool on something like 3 and then 60 for strength. Then blur everything. Then make the brush bigger maybe a 3 and then you set it to 100 strength. Blur everything once again. Keep repeating it untill it looks smoother. Very nice! 21:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink please :) 02:29, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Leopard  claw  Look up  to the past…  10:43, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller and center it. Sorry but I still think that you can see exactly where you smudged. 19:23, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste around the haunches. <span style="">22:47 Sun Nov 13

Reuploaded Sandstormrocks, I don't want an argument, but if you look at the deputy alt of which I copied, the smudging is very similar to mine. If anyone else objects, though, I will change it. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  18:56, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sandstorm, I think it looks okay. Could you make the earpink a little less red? 20:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

And smaller. Darken the shading and erase the waste. <span style="">00:37 Tue Nov 15

Also, blur the earpink a bit more after making it smaller. 23:58, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Leopard  claw  Look up  to the past…  16:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely job. Make the earpink a tad smaller and lighter, then darken the shading. <span style="">00:16 Thu Nov 17

Make the ear-pink less "hot pinkish". <span style="">02:35 Thu Nov 17

Can you define the shading on the white part of the chest? It looks a little flat. Nice! 03:44, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Leopard  claw  Look up  to the past…  17:06, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! Make the earpink a little more triangular and less blotchy. 01:09, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it looks fine. This is lovely, Leopardclaw. Setting 24 hours. <span style="">04:51 Sun Nov 20

Apprentice Blanks~ For Approval
Okay figured id finally post these. Its going to take forever to get them approved anyway. So ill make the back ground transprent when im done, and deal with any half erased pixels. Its just easier that way. And ill post the MCAs after these are approved. Its gonnna be a long approval process.... 05:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Stunned* These look amazing. Perhaps thin out the lineart on the forepaw/leg closest to us on the shorthaired blanks. 05:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

YAY MY LOVE YOU POSTED THEM <3 Make the front paw closest to us smaller. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 I LOVE THESE <span style="">05:10 Thu Nov 10

Thin out the lineart on the tip of the tail for the shorthaired blanks. Other then that... yay! I <3 'em. 05:11, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't about how the blanks look. I'm confused, I thought we were waiting to post these until the fourth series was done? o.0  05:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Crouched like that, their shoulders would be higher up and the front of their backs would not be concave. Look here. Specifically at the cat on the top right. These look like their shoulders are dislocated. No offense. 05:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, what about MCA's? 05:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she was going to post those after these ones were approved. 05:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, missed that. 05:33, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I'm allowed to comment here, but I can stick it in Photoshop and redline the anatomy for the body if you'd like? If you'd rather I not, I'd suggest rounding the shoulders and smoothing out the back, like Shellheart said. Drop the head down and to the left a bit, right now it makes the front of the neck appear to long and the chest to big. Bring the hindquarters forward slightly to help with the back. This is the closest I could find to the position you have here It's a snow leopard, but has roughly the same shape as a domestic cat. ~Breezewhisker~ 05:42, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

^^^ Why is that person not in our project!? Please join! 05:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Breeze, join us! I really don't have anything to say about this, since what's been said really is fixing up what I had in mind. I just wanted to say lovely job, Iceheart! 05:51, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, I'd love to know the same thing. That's a very detailed explanation, and it's better then anything I could have said. Wow. Breezewhisker, you really should join PCA. 05:53, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I don't think I'd be good about the regular part in the guidelines, though, with school and stuff. ~Breezewhisker~ 06:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, we're actually doing this 5 months early?? Awesomeee! The chest kinda looks like its not connected to the stomach right behind the front leg, Holy crap these are epic! XD - 06:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Okay, sorry if it's just me but the muzzle kinda looks.. akward, the way it's sitting. It looks like it's been moved too much to the side. Hope you get what I mean. 06:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

GORGEOUS! The only thing I can see wrong other than what's already been said is, the tail on the longhair blanks are a bit too pointed. So just to get this straight, once these are approved, we can go on making NEW apprentice images, but we can't tweak any of the old ones till either after the forgotten warriors is out, or after the current series is done, right? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕ <b> ☆StarClan be with you★ </b> 07:17, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

SPECTACULAR! OH MY GOSH! This is amazing. But personally the tail looks a little too bushy at the start of it. 11:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

These are breathtaking! Can you make the top of the head curve round a bit more on the shorthairs, and possibly shorten the neck by a few pixels on all the blanks. 12:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! These are awesome. Maybe make the whiskers a little bit longer? -- 12:24, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The shoulders just look off. There are joints misplaced in it, and there's length is places that their simply shouldn't be length. I suggest reviewing your cat foreleg anatomy and sourcing that up. I know you're going for that half-crouch play pose... But frankly it looks canine in the body right now, not feline. 14:31, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They look so... different *-*. I'm not sure if this has been said, but could you make the shorthaired tals more round at the end? 19:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, I have to say I'd vote for Breezewhisker to redline the anatomy. She has a lot of experience with animal anatomy. You should see her DA page, it's amazing! And since she offered, you know, it could make things go faster here. 19:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Huggles* They're great! Though I do agree with Breezewhisker. *clings to Breezewhisker* You must join us... o.o Okay, done with the stalker part... The long haired tail, in my opinion, needs to be longer. It kind of looks like Berrynose's tail in a way. Other than that, great! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Breezewhisker. Also, I agree with Shelly. I think Breezewhisker should redline the anatomy. Also agreeing with Misty; the long haired tails do look like Berrynose's tail. They look a little bit too straight, too, though it may just be me. 21:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Should these be made transparent? 21:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she'll make the background transparent. Just give her time. 21:20, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay :P 21:22, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, Icy! I kinda looks like their muzzles are tiny bit crooked, slanting this side ---> and with the longhaired blanks, their tails kinda look like pine cones xPP Can you maybe make it a bit more like the To-be blanks? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 21:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Redlines. I did them fairly quickly, so they're not perfect, but perhaps they'll give you a general idea. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:41, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They are wonderful, Breezewhisker. Very nice. 22:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, those are epic! Now you definately should join the project 8DD So, is Ice gonna trace over them or somethin? Oh, and I think you should draw a line over the bases of the tail - 22:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Breezewhisker's redlines look wonderful! Pleasepleaseplease use them! 22:57, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

If she wants, I guess. What I'm mainly trying to show is the skeletal and some of the muscle structure. The outline ones are to show a little bit how the edited structure would make them appear. I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by the line over the bases of the tail, though. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt talking about your redlines, though. Im thinking the lineart should be connected at the base of the tail - 23:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. ~Breezewhisker~ 23:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The lineart just seems a little thin around the eyes and whiskers. And the blanks look... a little cartoon-y if you ask me. Perhaps include some depth in the shoulders, and haunches like we did with the prey-hunters? We need to make these look like actual bases. /waits to get shot by Iceheart. -- 23:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The long furred blnck on the tail it looks to plumped. Make it go a touch bit longer. Also the ear, amke it a little bit bigger. Very nice!

This is great! Can you make the tails on the long hairs more furry? 00:59, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Epic. :D Can you make the back leg closer to us slightly closer to the body, it looks too far from the body and the front leg seems closer. 01:05, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The muzzle looks akward. 22:31, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

These look awesome! The tails on the long hairs look a bit, well, fat. Maybe thin them out a tiny bit. Or something. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  08:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just some constructive criticism here-the long haired tails look kinda like Cedarpelt's. and the muzzle looks awkward. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 17:07, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmm, maybe make the long haired tail curve more like the short hairs? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink"> Spring...✿ 02:11, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The fur on the chest on the long haired ones, maybe make it to where it's more pointed, not that curved, because it kind of looks odd to me. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart put in a polite request for y'all to hush up for a bit. Right now it seems you're commenting on the images ^up there^, and she's in the process of modifying those blanks to look more like Breezewhisper's redlines, so your comments will amount to nothing until she's reuploaded the blanks. (She's writing an English speech right now, so she can't get on the computer to say so herself) So until she reuploads, don't comment, okay? :3 <span style="">03:34 Tue Nov 15

Reuploaded- Thank you Breezewhisker, saved my butt. Anyway, theyre still a fail but lets move on. You guys need to check out they guidelines: You are not supposed to post a comment that someone already said. After the fist 8-10 people 90% of the comments were repeats. And as for the comments, they have to be helpful. Im well aware i need all the help i can get with these, but comments like "The muzzle looks awkward" arent helpful. You must suggest a way to fix it. And thats my rant. Comments? 23:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

These look much better, Iceheart. Could you make the lineart on the front right leg a little thicker? The cat's right, not ours. 23:34, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should get rid of the line coming into the front leg at the elbow. It makes the elbows come out a too sharp an angle. 23:56, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the tails on the long furred cats look like they aren't following the spine. Just have them come out at the top the same way they do on the short haired cats with the bottom being furry. 00:03, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

They are very pretty! Can you thick the tail fluff on the long hairs? 00:52, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Can you make the whiskers on our right, their left come in towards the center of the muzzle a tad? These are wonderful, I can't wait to use them <3  01:05, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely, Iceheart! Raise the shoulders a tad more, extend the line of the jaw this way --> a bit more and maybe make the hind haunch of the longhairs furry. Add to what Shelly said, maybe drop the tails downward since cats are taught not to stalk with their tails up. xP - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Fantastic job, Iceheart! ^-^ Though there is waste or gray lineart on the tip of the tail on the long furred apprentice. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   03:02, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lookin' good. The thing that really bugging me, though, are the tails on the long haired cats - they'd look a better if the tops were concave-looking like the short-haired ones, just fluffier on the underneath since that's the direction of the fur. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:55, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if this counts, but when I imagine a cat, or look at mine from a front angle, their faces always seem more triangular-ish, kind of wide near their ears and tapering down to their muzzle. Well with these, the face seems to jut out a bit near the left eye. Again I'm not sure if it counts, but it makes the face seem ... a bit blocky. Maybe you could narrow it down a bit more? Otherwise I think they look fantastic! -- 04:22, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think the tails' current positions are fine (don't drop them like Scarlet suggested - I don't think they're stalking, I think they're just playing) but by saying that, I'm not trying to contradict Shelly's statement. The top of the tails should be a bit straighter, like the shorthair blanks. Make the back a tad flatter. These are awesome <3 <span style="">00:14 Thu Nov 17

I don't mean to be annoying to Wildheart, but the back doesn't need to be any flatter - I think the curve in it should be moved so that it is by the base of the tail. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:10, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add some fur on the haunch lines on the longhaired blanks? 00:40, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Extend the muzzle becuase it looks to squished right no. Extend the ear a touch and the tail still looks to plump. Smooth it out so it looks a little bit more balanced. 01:54, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think the ears are fine, but I do after to agree with the muzzle.. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:56, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Yes i understand the tails look better like this, but part of me wants them to still be a poof, so they at least match trhe warrior images a bit. 20:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I would say I like them better with the poof, but that's just my opinion. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:15, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I also think you should keep the poof. The longhaired female's tail is different from the longhaired male's tail, make them the same. 21:36, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I like the poof too. Maybe make the long-haired blank's fur have less fur showing, and slightly thicken it out so it matches the other blanks, if that makes sence. 22:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the poof does look a bit better. I just don't think it needs to be quite that poofy. Maybe make the end a little thicker so it looks smoother with the poof. ~Breezewhisker~ 00:37, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should keep the way it curves on the top, but make the bottom more plumey. I don't like the way it curved before. <span style="">04:41 Sun Nov 20

Thistleclaw (Alt. W) - For Approval
As he's shown in The Rise of Scourge. 18:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

(As I am too lazy to look it up) did you ever get rid of one of your three reservations so you can do this? 18:18, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

No. If I was supposed to, then decline this. -_- 18:20, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. 18:23, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blue the ear-pink, and there is some gray in between the he haunch, and back paw, and make him long-furred, he looks long-furred. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 18:50, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Theres waste between his legs - 18:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the ear pink? :) . 18:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enlargen the ear pink and center it while dulling it.Also smudge the paws and tone down the highlights if your using them. Also darken the shading a touch. Very accurate! 21:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The shading's dark enough. .-. However, can you blur it and blend it with the highlights a little more (if you use them, that is)? 21:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Could you please blur the neck shading? <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

His legs are shown as dark grey, not black. 02:34, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

You forget color one leg..or he have only three dark legs? Leaf-storm,16:45,November 13,2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: He only has three dark legs. 16:52, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear pink and blur the highlights a lot. 19:19, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ear-pink is fine, Sand. Define the highlight on the face and middle of the tail a bit more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:07, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste, make the earpink just a tad smaller (sorry Scarlet, but she's right) and move the chest highlight to the left a tad/thin out the shading on the left of the chest and thicken it on the right. <span style="">00:42 Tue Nov 15

Just letting you guys know that I probably won't be able to work on this until Friday, because of school. 11:11, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blend the high-light into the pelt a little bit more please. <span style="">01:50 Thu Nov 17

There's some waste under the belly. 19:23, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the eyes be amber unless they said otherwise? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Dark blue" >Trollsky <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="blue"> She who Trolls everything 01:33, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights. 05:31, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Onestar (Alt. L) ~ For Approval
This is most likely going to be declined. See CotC, he is some light brown tabby with white markings. Comments? 01:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, you're fine. He looked like he had white srtipes on his legs and tail in CotC, but the error must be put in trivia on his page and the page must be cited before this can be done. 02:04, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

His white markings on his legs and tail look almost pale gray, not white so try to brighten that. And blur where the white meets the brown on the chest. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:14, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, since you're working from this image, it looks like his body and haunches have white stripes as well. Try to match the image as closely as possible. 02:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shelly. Maybe enlargen the white strip in the chest. Lighten the shading on the haunch a little bit. Good work. 02:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Shading is fine, Sandstorm, oh well, it looks strange... 03:33, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

You could try making the white stripes less prominent as it goes up. That would probably look more natural. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look cream to me. My motto is: When in doubt, color-pick! 04:06, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

It looks cream to me too. And could you make the stripes slightly more pointed? It makes them look more natural. Looks good! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  06:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fail. I made the stripes slightly more pointer, and I made them white. Next time I won't choose a such a difficult tabby. 15:46, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

This is actually really cool looking. Blur the white stripes more. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:22, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, I (and I think Ivy) meant the stripes look cream in the CotC image. XD Not on here. I was saying you should make them cream on here to match. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The bottom stripes are white, but slightly cream, all of the others are white. 03:40, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I like that color Stoneclaw, but Im looking on this and can you blur the white stripes and blend them with brown a little? Its good on the tail :-) 16:54,November 15,2011 (UTC)

Pretty! But with the white and cream stripes, it looks awkward just switching colors on the stripes, could you maybe make them all one colour? 01:12, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste on <- side of his face in between the whiskers, and can you smudge the white stripes? 17:58, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

There's also a tiny bit of waste above both his ears. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:44, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge and blur the white stripes, and smudge the earpink into the ear. 01:11, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I will fix the waste. 01:21, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the haunch on -> that side a touch. Beatiful! 23:08, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. There is no waste. 05:25, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, there is a bit of waste right above the gap between the forepaw and haunch as well as right to --> that side of the haunch. Tilt your screen to see it. Also, make the earpink on <--- that side of us stay confined to the ear as there is a bit it on the side (->) where you can see the ear tilted. This looks great! 04:51, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Leafstar (Alt.KP) ~ CBA
Tried to copy the leader image the best I could, and I worked from the book cover as well. How's it look? 19:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Gorgeous Shelly, I am stunned, literally stunned. defing she shading on the front arm. Purty Shelly! Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:43, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice! Blur the earpink a teensy bit. 20:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Lighten the shading on the back a lot and blur the shading on the front leg. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:20, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes not showing at this moment. 21:32, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Aren't we discussing this? Shouldn't you have waited until we reached an agreement? 01:04, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

-headdesk- NEVER MIND. Just ignore me :3 01:05, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste going down the back. Also, can you lighten the shading just a little bit? 18:47, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 22:10, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur all the shading quite a bit especially on the ---> ear and on the taill near where the tail connects to the rump.- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:Navyl">aka Rowantail 23:10, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 23:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink smaller. 00:07, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Why? It fits the ear, as real ear-pink does. I think I have it accurately sized and shaped. 00:08, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Its pretty good, but it almost fills the whole ear. Just make it a little smaller so the ear is more visible. Its just a suggestion, so you dont' have to. 00:10, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't mean to seem snappy. I'll do it if someone else agrees it should be done. 21:47, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Also blur the shading a lot. 23:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Could you just fix one of the eyes because one if them look red-ish and the other looks orange. Otherwise great job Shelly! <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 23:41, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

One looks reddish because of the shading, so I don't think I'll change that. Also, Sandstorm, the shading is fine. I've blurred it as much as I can. 23:44, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Is one eye supposed to be orange and one yellow? <span style="">01:46 Thu Nov 17

They aren't different colors. One is in the shade and the other isn't. 05:00, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the white just a tad. It doesn't match the shade the leader image is. 05:27, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the top of her head a tad, and her ear. It sticks up and into the light source, which I assume to be from the front and slightly above. ~Breezewhisker~ 04:18, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened the white a bit. And Breeze, my lighting is actually coming from direct right, very slightly up, not in front at all. 14:52, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful image, Shelly. CBA? 04:19, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Leafstar (Alt Q) - For Approval
Just finished her up! I liek it :3 Now, the patches match it in the manga, but when I take a good look at her leader, I don't think they match up. I know that I need to blur the earpink. Colors were taken from her alternate leader directly. Highlights were used. Comments for improvement? 22:37, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading. It makes her look dark gray. 23:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Blur where the patches meets white a tad more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:42, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the markings and shading. <span style="">00:47 Tue Nov 15

Thought this is the right color to be white, the leader image's white is darker. I think it's supoosed to match, so could you make the white slightly darker? The is GORGEOUS! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  06:08, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest smudging the stripes also. Nice work! . 14:38, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded And Thistleberry, I know you're trying to help, but smudging the stripes won't make them consistent with her alt. leader image. I did smudge the patches, however. 15:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the patches and lighten the white a teeeeeensy bit. 17:01, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

This is beautiful! Can you blur where the white meets the brown on the tail a tad. 19:04, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

There seems to be a circle around the back patch. Perhaps make the patches flow in with the pelt a little more? -- 23:16, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes. 01:04, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Also, Paleclaw, I'm not entirely sure what you meant, so I just blurred the shading on her torso more. 18:22, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't her nose be pink? 20:19, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

It is  00:24, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Umm the tabby stripes by the face isn't completely flling the patch. Also darken the shading you can't really see it well. 01:32, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes on teh hind leg. <span style="">01:43 Thu Nov 17

The stripes match the leader image -- I checked. Don't touch 'em, Ivy <3 <span style="">01:44 Thu Nov 17

Darken the shading if any on the haunch. 12:16, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

This looks beautiful, Ivy! Let's go CBA. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:04, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really, really sorry, and normally I wouldn't interrupt a CBA, but could you please adjust the brown patch on the mid back to look more like the one on the kittypet charart? I made mine like that referencing the cover for The Rescue, and it makes it look a bit less awkward. Again, sorry. 03:49, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

And blur the patches. 21:37, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hawkfrost (Alt. K) ~ For Approval


I believe I'm aloud to do this.

I will probobly swich and do the stripes in another style, but I don't know how the style works with kit blank. And I used pale gray on some of the stripes, trying to look natral, but ehh. ^^ . 01:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Try to match the stripe and color from the cover image as best you can. Also, his eyes on the cover are green. Can't tell if they are here. 02:42, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Tried moi best. And the image shows with a white belly, so voila. . 03:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. Cute! 05:37, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I think the earpink looks okay. Blur the tail. 21:34, November 16, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Thistle, you'll be a warrior in no time! Blur the tail and darken the shading a bit. <span style="">01:37 Thu Nov 17

Thanks! Blur the what exactly on the tail? Shading or stripes? . 02:30, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops, guess I forgot that. Stripes, please. :3 12:03, November 17, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Blur the tail-tip more into the white on the tail. <span style="">23:20 Thu Nov 17

The tail tip more into the white? Huh? Anyways, if the muzzle is white then the nose should be pink, or I just am too tired to really think. Also, perhaps redden the earpink a bit, it's hard to see. :3 00:28, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but it was Mothwing that was the silver tabby. Hawkfrost was the light brown tabby in that picture. Mothwing already has an alt for it. 01:15, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

No, we decided that it was Hawkfrost since the brown tabby already matches Mothwing's description mostly. Anyway, darken the stripes to match the cover. 01:26, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I guess I missed the discussion. I thought the brown tabby would be Hawkfrost, since he actually is a brown tabby, while Mothwing is a dappled golden tabby. 01:28, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Meh, the kit on top looks more golden than brown, actually. Hawk is supposed to be dark brown... anyway, none of the descriptions in that book matched. =_= Darn you Dan Jolley... 01:31, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

The golden could be because of the sun. parts of the fur look golden and parts look brown...Well, if there was a discussion, then there's nothing to do about it... :P 01:35, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a tad. This is lovely ^^ <span style="">04:23 Sun Nov 20

Russetfur (Alt. D) - For Approval
Took all the colors from her alt. warrior charart. I just noticed the splotch of white on her foreleg. I'll fix that when I re-upload. Comments? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:23, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

The Shoulder looks like pure shading, can you make it lighter there? And there is a blotch of lighter ginger on the hauch, should that be a spot that looks highlighted? . 01:31, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. @Thistle, there's generally not too much light on the shoulder since the highlight is on the chest (white area) so it's harder to see. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:29, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry! I had a light source moment. :) . 04:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, Thistle. Happens to all of us sometime. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:58, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice! Could you just blur the earpink a tiny bit? 21:32, November 16, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Make the ear-pink a bit larger. <span style="">01:35 Thu Nov 17

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:26, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

I can hardly see the earpink. Darken it and redden it a bit. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:41, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. @Leopard Ear-pink is the exact same color from her alt. warrior. I'm not changing it. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:49, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

The chest is very bright. I'd tone it down a bit. ~Breezewhisker~ 04:23, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Also make the haunch a little bit brighter to match the other areas. 21:52, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

The haunch is fine, Sandstorm. Not everything should match - because if everything matched, it wouldn't be 3D. xD 23:29, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:47, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Silverstream (Alt W2) ~ For Approval
This is how she looked in the CP manga. Yeah, I'm going to define the darker marking on her head in the next upload. Comments? 02:58, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'd lighten the shading on the paws a little bit. As it is it makes them look like they're the same color as the stripe. Unless they are. *doesn't know where she put Crookedstar's Promise* ~Breezewhisker~  04:20, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

As stated when her queen was put up, she's technically a tabby in the CP manga, so she shouldn't get one. It's not different from her description. I'm pretty sure this will be declined. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:32, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Paleclaw's right. This was declined a few days ago, actually, although the image was a queen charart. She's still described as a tabby. Sorry, Ivy. I'll decline it, and if any other lead feels it should still be up, feel free to post your opinion. 07:53, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Really? Because it showed her full body as a solid in the Graystripe and CP manga... But I guess it's declined.

I reckon this should stay up. If the body was solid and there was a stripe on the head, there should be an alternate. Normal would be tabby markings ''all over her body. ''But a single apprentice couldn't un-decline it. I guess it's declined, then...- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:Navyl">aka Rowantail 03:30, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Kitty, I saw you changed the heading. Do not do it again, do you hear me? That's for a lead to decide. Also, Ivy, wait for the other lead's opinions on this. It's not going to be archived yet. 03:33, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

If the body is solid, she's not a tabby. :/  Elorisa   16:20, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm looking at the CP manga right now, and I have no idea how anyone can think that marking on head = tabby. I think this should stay up, and her queen image should be re-uploaded. 16:28, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, Oblivion. I was only going by what happened the last time it was uploaded. It stays then. 16:29, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

And who was doing her queen image? Whoever started that, leave a message on their talk page inviting them to re-upload it. 16:32, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! But shoot... since I thought it was declined I didn't save the layers! *has fit* Oh well. I'm going to redo it. So yeah. 19:48, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Loudsplash did the queen I think. But I still don't think this should be put up. A strip means a tabby, regardless of whether it's on the WHOLE body. This is like saying Longtail and Firepaw aren't tabbies in the BP manga because they don't have stripes on their whole body. It just seems silly to me. I see her as a tabby there and I stand by what I think, but I guess if everyone else thinks this should stay up..... ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:34, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oops nevermind, it was Harakiri-wish. Don't know why I thought it was Loudsplash... XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:36, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

If other people think it deserves to go down, I'm fine with it. ^_^ 04:16, November 20, 2011 (UTC)