Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Jacket Design?
I've noticed that on the very bottom of the right flap for Battles of the Clans that not only does it say that Wayne McLoughlin is the Jacket artist, but there is a Jacket DESIGNER. Should we include the jacket designer for books that stay in hardcover, such as Battles of the Clans and Secrets of the Clans and the other field guide books?Tawny HEAT WAVE!! 19:39, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * This rather has to do with the editor than the author / illustrator... I don't know really. Let's wait for the input of the Project Leader / Deputy. 20:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't own BOTC so I can't see what you mean for myself. I looked at SOTC however and think that if it is noted on the book jacket then the relevant people should be credited. Which is a long way of saying that I think we should add it in. -- Sandy star 17:50, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, all books mention the name of the jacket artist, be it McLoughlin or someone else. It is the person who put the cover layout together (art, title, text etc). I don't think it is important enough to be added to the articles, but of course this is only my own opinion. 20:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I guess I see where you're coming from (I knew what it was though btw), my only issue is that if it is important enough to need to be on the books then surely it is important enough for the article? We pride ourselves on being as informative as possible after all. I was also thinking about the typography and maybe that should be added as well... You said above that it has to do with the editor rather than the author / illustrator... but surely the editor is just as important as anyone else in getting the book on the shelf? Either way I guess we need some more opinions on this. -- Sandy star 09:34, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Another hmm and a lot of indents. Seems this was touched upon briefly before here but without any real discussion. 12:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm indeed, although that was 3.5 years ago when there were more pressing things to attend to. Thinking more about it - it does not harm and adds to the informational value, so I can't say I'm against it. If there is a consensus, we should decide what data to add (only jacket designer or other info as well), which editions (US or also foreign), and in which format (a table on the book article, a dedicated article etc). Kind regards, 18:35, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Sight - Silver Nomination
I'd like to nominate The Sight for a Silver Nomination. Just one question, should we include the alternate version where Jaykit, Lionkit and Hollykit have yellow eyes in the gallery, or is that unnecessary? Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:01, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

The article is great, but before we make a book article silver, its sub-pages (Cliffnotes, Allegiances, Gallery) must qualify for silver (or be already silver). Allegiances and Gallery are OK, but the Cliffnotes need some work; more detail should be added to them. As for the cover - yes, we should include it, as there were books actually released with this cover. I added it to the Gallery. Kind regards, 18:31, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the Cliffnotes, Helix. I thought myself that they were going to need some work. The problem is that I'm returning The Sight to my friend and I don't own it (well I did, but I lost it ;) anyways, from the rest of the time I have left, I will work my tail off to fix the Cliffnotes ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 18:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I had to give The Sight back to my friend tonight, but I expanded the Prologue and Chapters 1-3. I'm getting The Sight from the bookstore soon (most likely this upcoming Saturday), but for now, I could use some help for expanding it. Earth bender Tawny Style! 20:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your work, those chapters are really great! Unfortunately I don't have the book so I cannot help out, but I'm sure it will be done soon. Thanks again, 05:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I have a few minor issues with the main article, though the cliffnotes are coming along well. The Trivia section, publish date and praise all needs citations. I'll take a look tomorrow if no one gets this first =) Also, I have a liking for those neat edition sections as can be found on the Midnight and Moonrise articles. It would be really good if we could get that together for this book (if applicable of course) though I have to admit that I need to get my head around how to source the informaton myself, so let's call it a learning curve for just about everyone here. -- Sandy star 17:42, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I don't think I will get it first (quite busy these days), so you (or someone) should "take a look". ;) I started the Editions section however, adding the two known foreign editions; the rest (i.e. the English ones) can be found out easily from amazon. I'm glad you like the idea btw, and as I promised, I will sort out the data for all book articles as a criteria for silver nomination (NP already has them). Of course, if you wish, I can put together some tutorial on where / how to search for info on editions, so you (and others) can help out too. :) 20:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Scratch that, I got them for you (except the wolf controversy - I didn't find any reliable source yet). 20:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've spent about an hour looking and haven't found anything either. I'm not sure where we go from here; all I can suggest is that we remove this information and if there is ever a source found for it then it can be added again. There is nothing els wrong with the article as far as I can see. 11:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Any more comments before the vote goes up? 08:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we still have to sort out the cliffnotes. Totallytawnypelt99 was working on them, but stopped after the first 6 chapters. The rest of the chapters are not bad and could qualify for silver; but the article looks very uneven this way; either we need to expand the rest or tone down a bit the first ones. Tawny, if you read this, please tell if you still plan to complete it. 16:27, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Please excuse me. I competely forgot about them. We definitely need to make it consistent. 17:16, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

References on Cats
On the main page, at Concerns, it is stated for several books: "Find reference for cats on the cover". Does this refer to the cat in the centre frame (such as Brambleclaw on Midnight), or also to those in the background (e.g. the four silhouettes against the stars on Midnight)? Thanks, 18:51, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mainly the central character though any references for silhouettes would be nice if they're available =) These references are a pain in the bum to find, well in my experience at least. 18:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Other Language Editions
I did some research to find out if new books were released (yeah, I love doing that), and found some editions in languages we didn't know of yet. Should I add them in, or wait for the book cover filename policy?
 * Portuguese: first book of OS - link - note: released in Brazil, not in Portugal
 * Czech: Lost Warrior series - link
 * Slovenian: first two books of OS - link
 * Vietnamese: first four books of OS - link

Kind regards, 20:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm inclined to say wait and hope that the policy will be either discussed more or put up for voting soon. I still have that other link saved in my bookmarks ready to add in from before. If I add that one here then we can put them all up at once when the policy is sorted, whichever way the decision goes. Does that sound okay? 20:38, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * German audiobooks I believe

You are the leader, I'm only the Keeper of the Books. ;) But sounds fine to me, if you ask my opinion. :) 20:43, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I might go to Korea in a few months, and there is the OS in Korean, and I could check it out..? Willow pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  23:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * We have the covers of the first 6 books published in Korea. If you can get more info (like more books released, release dates), we'd be grateful. :) Thanks, 10:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Detailed Plot Summary
I already posted on the article's talk page, but I thought more people would see it here. SkyClan's Destiny has been out for a while now, and though I don't have it the detailed summary neds to be done, as well as the cliffnotes. Who has the book that could work on it? 00:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't own SkyClan's Destiny. 02:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Neither do I. When I've shipped through the mountain of college work I have planned for today I will see about editing some book articles and will try and put in at least the first few chapters (anything I can see from the browse inside) if that is not already done. Thanks for bringing this up Mouse as it does need doing. 08:52, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I did all I could from the browse inside and probably made it way too detailed but I wasn't sure how much more there was to come from the actual book. It will need editing down, but it's a start. 12:01, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Great work Sandy. Checking the User Owns SkyClan's Destiny template, it seems that at least 16 users own the book (and there might be another dozen or two who have it), so let's hope they will help out. 18:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Actually I was thinking of taking stuff from the character articles and putting it in the summaries, if we can just know the order of things. . . 23:19, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Allegiances SkyClan's Destiny - Silver Nomination
Well, there's nothing wrong with them as far as I can see so I'm suggesting them for silver. 12:40, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 17:36, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed as well. 18:36, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up 18:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Into the Wild - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate Into the Wild and its gallery for silver (cliffnotes and allegiances already are, and they are perfect). I added references to the main article, and a publication history (I love doing that), and it looks fine to me. :) Kind regards, 20:41, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting. 23:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Great work, Helix. 02:48, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 18:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes Cats of the Clans- Silver Nomination
I have made tons of edits to this page (Just view the history! :P) over the past few days, and I am finally done! :) I think the article is ready for silver. 23:27, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

They look good to me. I did a spelling and grammar check and can't see anything stopping them from being silver. Nice work =) 12:04, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

New Content Drive - Suggestions
Okay, well I think it's about time we had a new content drive as the work has been completed on Warriors Books so thank you to everyone who edited that article. Do we have any suggestions for the next content drive? Maybe an article you think needs a lot of work or one that you'd like to see featured in the near future as a possibility for gold? 14:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

How about Forest of Secrets? It's allegiances are fine, but cliffnotes, gallery, and plot summary could use some work. What do you guys think? 14:50, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I spent half an hour to check various articles, but I did not find any that needs major work. Everything seems to be in place in this Project. :) 07:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know, right? That's why I didn't suggest any myself because I couldn't think of any. I think Forest of Secrets could be an idea though as there are a few things that need doing: The cliffnotes need major expansion, the plot summary could be expanded and needs checking over anyway, and the publication history needs adding, praise citing and additional praise added, and some other citations are missing such as author, release date etc. Perhaps we could focus on making this article gold standard with a view to it being featured as the next FA? We need to have some goals, after all. 08:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have a point there, and a PB gold article sounds nice. :) I support Forest of Secrets if there are no other suggestions. 16:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Warriors Books - Silver Nomination
Well, everyone put a lot of good work into this and I think that now all the information is in place that it is ready for silver grade. 14:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It has my support. 14:55, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed; great work. 07:00, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. 17:27, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Deluge - silver nomination
All that prevented The Deluge to get nominated along with the other adventure game articles was the lack of the flowchart. Now that Bramble made us a nice one, the article is perfect. :) 06:54, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I meant to nominate this myself, but forgot XD I'm supporting. 08:52, August 22, 2010 (UTC)