Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

=Discussion=

Stranger
Would "the stranger", who appeared in pages 163-164 in The Sun Trail get a page? He has a description, gender, and rank named, and did affect the plot in a way (he was the one who informed of the traveling cats that there were rogues living on the other side of the Highstones, and even told them that was what the kittypets called them), but no name. I'd like to see what others think about this. Bb un   legs  21:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think he should have a page and charart, if soemone can think of a sutible page name for him... but it's up to everyone else, I think.☮♞  ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I agree with Sorrel, he should get a page, a charart, the whole deal, and the project can brainstorm suitable page names for him. Truthfully I haven't gotten around to reading The Sun Trail but with what Beebs says I think I can trust my opinion...  23:18 Tuesday May 7 2013

I support the idea of him getting a page, considering all of the factors listed above. --  S      t      a      r      r      y 17:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Minor Characters
As in a previous discussion here, we had conflicting opinions about extremely minor characters like Dappletail's Kit (which is still on consideration for the chopping block). However, it seemed like a popular idea to merge these characters into one page. So there's two options to go with, either define the terms on what qualifies a minor character to receive a page, or figure out the format of the one minor characters page option. Please explain which option is more beneficial and why. 14:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of having a page for minor characters, mainly just to group them all together and be done with it, so we don't have all these tiny articles, and I believe we could redirect the searches to that page. But I am unsure as to how we would go about making it. Probably something like Wikipedia does for it's characters in books? I don't think we need any infoboxes, just a summary of the characters, which could be arranged by series and book. 17:20, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I like a minor character page, because imho, characters like Dappletail's Kit, who have no effect on the plot and are just mentioned don't need a full page to themselves, it'd fit perfectly into a minor characters page. 17:21, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think only the minor characters who effected the plot in some way (such as Petal's mum) should get their own page. What good is it to have pages for characters who didn't even effect the plot in some way? I'd say we should define the terms on what qualifies on a minor character to get their own page, so that those who don't effect the plot get merged into a single page, while others who have recieve their own. Bb un   legs  18:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'd think characters like Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father (and possibly even Shellheart's Grandfather) would still retain their own page, as they are, at least Sol's Father's case, part of the plot of at least one book. But characters like Dappletail's kit really don't need any form of a page whatsoever, as they are not vital to the plot whatsoever. Would this also apply to cats like Leaftail, who is an allegiances only character and only mentioned outside of it once?

I believe that cats like Leaftail should also get merged too. Despite appearing in the allegiances, they have contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and were probably only mentioned a few times in the series. Bb un   legs  19:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Except allegiance-only characters demonstrate the population of a Clan/cat group as well as have a specific name. Plus, this page would turn out to be huge if we included all allegiance-only characters. I think confinements around what should be have a page and should not have a page is a specific name or if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way. 02:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, Leaftail was mentioned outside of the allegiances, so I think that that's another reason to give him his own page. 02:57, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've been supporting the minor character page for a while. I do think characters who have clearly stated names should keep their articles, like the allegiance only ones, and I think we should make some sort of guidelines on what requires a page outside of that, and then leave the rest grouped together on the minor character page. It'd be great to have, especially with cats like say, those "unknown kits" who I always see in the family sections with no specifications of who they are or anything. We can simply link to their section on the minor character page if we make it, and all the info given about them will be there to see, and then there'll be no confusion over who they are, who their parents/siblings are, and so on. Those guys have always bugged me.

How about these guidelines:
 * Characters shall receive a page if:
 * they have a deliberate, given name
 * mentioned by name/listed in the allegiances
 * if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way

Also, how are we going to format this page? 16:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Those sound like good guidelines to me, Teldy! I'll say lets go with them! Bb un   legs  16:20, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those sound like awesome guidelines, as for the format, charcats honestly wouldn't work, they'd overlap on some of the extremely minor characters and it'd honestly be a mess. Possibly a new simple template or something? Also, would the cats be alphabetized or in order by book or what? 12:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with those guidelines you put out there 'Teldy, and I also agree with Duck, maybe just a new little template or something.  00:15 Monday May 20 2013

I can't honestly think of anything that would really require a template for the page honestly. I think just a small section for each character, listing description (if available), history (with a very small amount of information), family, and maybe some other sections if you guys can think of any. The only thing in a charcat type template that I can think of that would be more organized to have in a template is the appearances, and those are usually only one book for characters minor enough to be on the page, plus they would most likely be listed in the history section depending on how it's laid out. So all in all I think there's not really much need for one.

Content Drive
Onestar has been the Content Drive for almost two years, longer then I've even been on the wiki. It's long time that we got a new one. I'm open to suggestions, but remember that this article needs to have problems, it'll be featured on the project's main page for possibly a long time, with the whole project focusing on working on that article. From just glancing over the bronze/started articles Smallear, Hutch, and Sharpclaw look like possible candidates. What do you guys think? =) 04:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch, Dodge, and Sharpclaw all seem good choices to me. Perhaps Purdy, as a suggestion? Bb un   legs  15:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch and Sharpclaw look like they need some TLC. 19:40, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, Purdy might be a good one, but I don't know about Dodge, he's quite minor and someone could easily fix him up in a couple of hours. x3 15:33, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Please comment if you already haven't, we need more than three people commenting. x3 12:44, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch needs a fair bit of attention, I wouldn't object to him being the new Content Drive. 11:28 Tue May 28

This hasn't been commented on in a while...but Hutch seems like a good choice to me. Shadewing Huzzah! 02:22, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Actually, though, Hutch only appears in Firestar's Quest and briefly SkyClan's Destiny, I do believe. Somebody could probably fix him up by themselves, since he only appears in those two. I think it would be better to use a cat like Mudclaw (WC), who is looking a bit iffy and appears in many books. Or Purdy. 16:00 Wed Jun 19 2013

Purdy would be a good choice, as would Mudclaw. Both appear quite frequently and in multiple books, as said before. I'm more inclined to pick Mudclaw, though, since a lot of his sections only have a couple sentences.

I think Purdy or Mudclaw would be a good choice for content drive, but I think I'm leaning towards Mudclaw; as Cloudy said, most of his sections are only a sentence or two.  16:50 Wednesday June 19 2013

Join
yes hello can I join Sho ond  erp  Like nobody’s around~  21:01, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Shoon. Please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if need be. Welcome to the project! 23:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

May I join? MyLittleWarriorCats (talk) 18:31, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Of course, please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if you need to. Welcome to the project! 18:37, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Can I join?Darkstar of DarkClan (talk) 12:11, June 29, 2013 (UTC)Darkstar of DarkClan

Yup! Please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if you need to. Welcome to the project! 19:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'd also be interested in joining if that's alright! (and I also added a page prior to joining the team (Wrenkit); my apologies.) Sorry if I'm a bit clumsy around Wikia to start- I've been on and off of it these past few months. Fluffpudge (talk) 18:01, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

No worries, it's still of use being a redirect. =) Please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ if you need to. Welcome to the project! 19:55, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Join?
Hi, I'd like to join the project! (My sig is messed up, I'm working on it. D:) ~Jadeblaze~ (talk) 21:04, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, please read guidelines and refer to the FAQ if need be. Welcome to the project! 21:09, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

=Nominations=

Dappletail's Kit ~ Silver Nomination
Created his article from scratch. Improvements to be made? 07:44 Sun Apr 7

We have never come to a consensus on Dappletail's Kit's page. The conversation was resolved due to another idea of having a complete page of minor characters. Sol's Twoleg, Petal's and Fox's Mother, etc. all contribute a bit of something to the plot or explain more about a certain character. Dappletail's Kit does not. However, please focus more on the kit and it would help to combine sentences. This also may be put on hold since there's still conflicting opinion about this page. 14:43, April 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those cats contributed to the plot of a book but, but, this kit actually did. He's used to explain why Snowkit's blind, so despite the mere few sentences he appears in, without him, there's no real explanation as to why Snowkit's blind and no reason for a reader to go Google ( or Bing -trollface- ) it to see if it actually happens in real cats. So he does have a bit more of a purpose than just a background character. We've pages for allegiance only characters who don't appear in the main story at all, so why not a kit who's mentioned for realistic relief? 07:02 Mon Apr 8


 * Allegiance characters have actual names and are mentioned in the book, even if it's just the allegiances. It's the fact that they actually have names and demonstrate the diversity and population of a Clan. Also, Dappletail's kit doesn't necessarily explain why Snowkit's blind. Dappletail could have explained that white cats with blue eyes are often born deaf without presenting her other kit. While Dappletail's kit provides a bit of proof, she could also have used any other white kit with blue eyes that was known to be deaf. Especially since it must be commonly known since you can't prove something like that with two cases. 15:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * So a name's enough to get a character a page, even if they're there for not even a sentence in the book? This kit was actually used for something. Without using the kit, the cats with would have no actual proof of the cats with white fur and blue eyes are born deaf, unless there was another cat like this. The thing is though, they used this kit and no other cat, so he does actually offer something to the storyline, even if it's only a small bit of info. 14:44 Sat Apr 13


 * Berry, by that definition every dog that's chased the cats on a journey, or a random cat that Firepaw fights in Into the Wild, or Storm's two unnamed kits, or Mapleshade's kits, etc. would get a page. They contributed to the plot about as much as Dappletail's kit did. The only difference I see is that the kit had a description and was only mentioned by himself. 15:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I know I'm pretty much the one that abandoned this nomination, but what's going on with it? o3o 14:44 Sat Jun 15

Not sure, honestly. I don't really know what's going to happen to the page - if it's going to be accepted or not. I was only told for it to be kept up here. Bb un   legs  14:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

It is here until we come to a decision about minor characters. So it's to be kept on the page. 16:26 Sat Jun 15 2013

Mudfur ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded his history, especially Crookedstar's Promise. I may add a few quotes if I find some that aren't already up. Comments? <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 14:53, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Nice job, Shadewing! Could you potentially eliminate two quotes, maybe three? Like the first, fourth, and fifth ones as they're really focusing more on the Clan as a whole? Also, could you elaborate on the fight with Adderfang over Sunningrocks? I suggest combining sentences too. Great work. 19:01, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'll get on it. Sha dew  ing!  00:05, June 28, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Can you expand Rising Storm, Dark River or Return to the Clans? x3 13:12, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Elaborated on his fight with Adderfang. I tried to expand Rising Storm, Dark River, and Return to the Clans, but there was not very much I could add. Tried my best. Sha dew  ing!  14:30, July 5, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Sharptooth ~ Silver Nomination
There really wasn't much I could add, but I tried my best. Comments? <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 15:09, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Add and expand his Secrets of the Clans section? He's mentioned, isn't he? Bb un   legs  15:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you could find a few quotes if you can; a cat speaking about him, or what he does or what other cats do, of couse, since he doesn't speak. <span style=""> 16:18 Monday June 17 2013

Expanded Secrets of the Clan. I'm looking for a quote now. <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 19:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

I put one up. It's about the best I could find. I'm not sure if you wanted it as a main quote or in a quotes section, but I put it as a main. <font color="white" style="background:Black">Shadewing Huzzah! 19:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Could Moonrise possibly be expanded more? He plays such a big part in it, but if there's nothing, then that's okay. 19:12, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Expanded Moonrise. Did the best I could. Sha dew  ing!  16:08, June 21, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

The style of writing is quite concise and patchy. Try combining sentences, using dependent clauses, and not including so many simple sentences. 18:01, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed it, I think. I tried my best. Sha dew  ing!  19:33, June 24, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

CBV? 18:07, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Vote is up! 19:59, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Pouncetail ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Bb un   legs  15:43, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

On the third quote, it says it's from 'page chapter 2'. Looks like a typo. Other than that, it's great. Sha dew  ing!  17:53, June 23, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Uh, I can't fix that. That's just how the template is, sadly. (There's a similar situation with Hazelwing and Stoatfur, for example.) Bb  un   legs  17:56, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine. Sorry for the confusion. Sha dew  ing!  19:33, June 24, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

CBV? 20:54, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Dodge - Silver Nomination
I'm looking for some more quotes as I write this. Comments? 17:02, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...are you sure that's all he appears in? Maybe try to find other times he appears or is mentioned, if any. Bb un   legs  17:02, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Dodge doesn't appear very much for an antagonist. What she has is fine. You might split up some of those larger paragraphs, though, if you can. <span style="">17:51 Sun Jun 23 2013

I thought it was fine, as well. I've spilt some of the larger paragraphs. 18:18, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? 20:54, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Hutch ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Expanded history and added some quotes. 15:08, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good! I hope you don't mind if I fixed a few typos. Just a couple spelling errors. I thought it would be easier to just fix them when I saw them instead of pointing them out on here. Sha dew  ing!  15:00, June 28, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Leafshine - Silver Nomination
Easy. Any comments? I'm pretty sure this is all she appeared, based on the browse inside and what I've read so far. x3 23:32, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

StarClan member name
I created a forum about this, and I was told to come here. My idea was that we should create a StarClan member and a StarClan kit name. It would clear up the names of some cats like Mallowfur (I don't really know how to word that). We have queen and deputy names, when it is unlikely to change names when cats become that rank, so why not a StarClan member or StarClan kit name? Some cats change their name when they go to StarClan.