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Sorreltail (Star) ~ For Approval
whispers lets get this approved quick i'm gonna be without internet soon 03:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Awww... I liked Sorrel... Give more depth to the shading on the back, especially on the black patches 04:39, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I know, Scarlet, I know. ;-; 05:07, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the flecks a bit and this is awesome.

Re-uploaded. eep 06:06, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

That‘s a good picture. I think you do it very well.

but you should add more dark black -stealfog  21:00,5th,Nov.2013

Blur the flecks more and lower the opacity on them the slightest bit. 13:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the patches a bit and possibly define the eye depth? Very pretty! 17:03, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Either smudge or blur the shading on a low rate. Such a pretty dead cat. 17:25 Tue Nov 5

I think the opacity of the flecks are fine, since it'll appear a bit lighter when it's blurred ouo 21:22, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'm not blurring the flecks anymore now. 03:04, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and remove the smudging on it? It kinda makes it not match since the other images don't have any smudging. Also add a bit of shading to the bottom of the tail?

Sorry, but imho you should blur the flecks more. On all of Sorrel's other images, the flecks are fainter than these. Please blur them more. Nice job so far.. 21:37, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I think they're fine. I thought you meant me for a minute x3 21:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Darkfrost though, just a tiny bit more. 02:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Lol sorry, I should have just said Sorreltail xD 03:31, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, the blurring's fine really. The opacity could maybe be lightened a bit, but otherwise, I see no issue with them.

I may ad well withdraw this seeing as I won't be able to upload. 22:15, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 23:36 Thu Nov 7

Re-uploaded. Changes are here if they aren't showing. Comments? 0:26 Fri Nov 8

Sorry to but in but Sorreltail is dead?? I thought she was alive! User:Neverendingmoon

Please do not comment unless it is constructive critisism for the image. 1:05 Fri Nov 8

Define her eye depth a smidge? This is lovely, Hawk. 23:57, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, but if anyone disagrees I'll gladly define it. 0:07 Sat Nov 9

The image looks blurry to me. I don't know if it's the gaussian blur, or..not sure. But it's really blurry. Looks good, though. c: 01:23, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia's being a butthead with the changes. It'll fix itself soon enough. x.x

Blur the <<< foreleg shading just a tad? This is wonderful! 14:18, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you, Beebs. ♥ 14:54 Sat Nov 9

Add a couple more dapples 07:25, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 16:07 Sun Nov 10

I love this! Maybe make the little spots on her back less noticeable, because in the other images, it doesn't really look as sharp as this. -- 17:34, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's great! I don't get what all the "blur and shade" is about. -- Moonfire  Set fire to the rain!  18:55, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

You aren't looking at the right version, because the one that is showing is the old one. Look at the link provided, because I think they're fine. Thanks you all. I don't understand what you mean, Moon. 23:23 Sun Nov 10

Add more depth to the shading on her back. Sorry 'bout that ^^^ up there, I didn't see the links. -- 01:28, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Blizzardwing (A) - For Approval
If the changes aren't showing, see here, comments? I'm quite fond of this 05:00 Tue Nov 5

Smudge the mottles tad? I love this c: 17:23 Tue Nov 5

I personally think they look okay, but I'll smudge them if someone else agrees. 19:22 Tue Nov 5

I think the mottles are fine as well. Maybe define the eye depth a bit? Nice job, he's gorgeous! 21:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

It looks kinda green... 05:00, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think the warrior's much more blue-green than this. I think the tinting it currently has is fine.

Actually, this tinting makes it too dark. Here was my version when I was doing him: I'll also give you the colors and instructions that were given from Loonie to Ravenfrost, then passed to me in case I decided to do this image again..

Layer 1: Solid white.

Layer 2: Very, very pale gray texturing.

Layer 3: Mottle color: #ebecbf = Pale yellow. Do on 75% Opacity.

Layer 4: Mottle color: #c6c7c7 = Pale gray. Do on 100% Opacity.

Layer 5: Shading and highlights. Shading color: #1a3952. 2 highlights: #feffao and white: on the nose, chest and top of tail.

Hope that made sense... ;) Keep it up. 13:16, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I think this image looks perfect and matches the warrior about as well as humanly possible. Great job Wildd! 14:49 Thu Nov 7 2013

Reuploaded I personally think it matches too, and Darkfrost; I used the hex codes for this. - 20:16 Thu Nov 7

Wow, Wildd. That's stunningly beautiful. :O You're extremely good! Great job. c: 21:36, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps fill in the nose? 00:48, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

The nose is filled in, check the previous reupload. 04:33 Fri Nov 8

Blur/smudge the chest shading just a little? Very good! 14:22, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded, hows this? -- 20:28 Sat Nov 9

Define the light source in regard to the head 07:26, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! I wish I could draw as good as that XD -- Moonfire  Set fire to the rain!  18:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The light is coming from that corner, and the highlight has a part to play in it as well. -- <span style="">20:38 Sun Nov 10

Let's go CBA with this, shall we? It matches quite well, imho.

Sorry to interrupt, but I believe there should be more pale yellow mottles around the fur. I only see them on the back. 20:05, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Lightning Tail (Ki) ~ CBA
Beebs thank you so much you are amazing. So here is my darling and I am not changing the eye color because of reasons. Nor will I lighten him, but I will fiddle with the shading and/or texture.

Lighten him a tad so I can see the shading and texture. x3 Wonderful Skye~ 13:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I said I wasn't going to lighten him, Duck. This is because the base is light enough as it is, and if it's any lighter, it'll be gray. I did fiddle with other things, though, so re-uploaded.

There's some waste between the fur on this >>> side of the head. So sweet. <span style="">17:18 Tue Nov 5

Re-uploaded. Thank youu~

Define the shading justtt a little bit, and I think he'll be good. Wonderful, Skye. 21:21, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mmm I've gotta say that you might lighten him just a touch. I still can't see the texture/shading very well. <span style="">3:10 Wed Nov 6 2013

I can't lighten him anymore after this without him looking a lot lighter than he should be. After all, he is black. So re-uploaded and if he still looks odd, I'll try something else instead.

I still can't see the lineart, texture, or shading. 02:53, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Agreeing with Duck, he needs to be lighter. 03:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I will not lighten him anymore. Either you respect that choice as an artist's decision, or do not comment please. If you have other ideas as to how to make it more visible, please say so. If I lighten him anymore he will gray, and he is black. Wikia's being an idiot and not showing changes, so you might not even be seeing the right one, which is here.

Um, it looks a bit to light now. How it was on the previous upload was just right. <span style="">4:56 Thu Nov 7 2013

Reverted, as I agree.

Woah, Snowy, follow your own rules as quoted in the past to me: "You do what the comments tell you to do, since they have a better perspective." Yeah I re-worded it due to lack of remembrance of the right words. But, you cannot make a demand or a stand like that, no matter if you are the PCA deputy. Everyone has a liking on their own image, which you do, but to the surrounding users, it could look like crap. -No offense, this looks really amazing, just an example.- So, I believe you shouldn't come out rudely and say "I will not lighten him anymore. Either you respect that choice as an artist's decision, or do not comment please." To me, personally when I read that, it sounded like a threat. If he needs to be lightened so we can see the lineart, you do that, since not all black cats are as dark as hell. Or, increase the brightness of the texture, darkness of shading. Or, if you wish to not lighten it, explain kindly why you won't, or can't or else this will happen. Not to go off and threaten. I did not mean for this to be a jab, or a hidden threat. But I believe you should have respect for every PCA user, and not threaten them. Everyone is seeing this behavior, and it's becoming a very bad habit for you... Once again, not a threat, just a warning for future clashes. Wow, now this is the longest PCA message I've ever written xD. 13:04, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

And also, I lose the texture as it gets to the shading. It's like it disappeared. Fix that, please and thanks. 13:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

She's not threatening. And it's her image, and besides, I think it is the darkness is perfectly fine. What you're saying, Dark, is almost insulting Snow, and it's not a "bad habit" at all. And don't say "it could look crap to other users" as that is very rude. There are plenty of words that could sound less offensive. I'm with Cloud here, the dark is fine. Also, that is uncalled for. Raelic think's it was okay before so Snow reverted, and there was no need for you to say that. 13:38, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

I was not rude or offensive. I was extremely nice about it. Some PCA apprentices and kits are just getting fed up with her coldness toward us on occasion, so I thought I should bring up a hint at what were feeling. And, I checked my wording with several others and they said the wording was not rude or offensive, and that it was just a pointer. Instead, I did say "Not a threat, just a warning for future clashes" didn't I? Instead, Raelic has told Ravenfrost in the past that "you will fix this if someone asks you to" and I believe Cloudy should, too. There's no room here for special modifications for leads. And seriously, that comment up there sounded like a threat to me. And also about my comment, I didn't mean for it to be a jab. So yeah, that's my last comment on this matter. But, I'm sorry Sorrel if I did sound offensive, I was just gently pointing out her wording, and giving her an example of what she could've said, instead of sounding threatening. Sorry for misinterpretations on my comments.. 21:46, November 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Darkfrost, a tip on confronting people about certain aspects is use solid evidence through linking, make sure that you don't mislabel a group on what their outtake is, and keep in mind who your audience is.


 * At the same time, while I may disagree with stylistic writing choices of Darkfrost's, her point is still valid. When you put up character art for approval, you are asking for critiques. What exactly does the title "For Approval" mean if you refuse to acknowledge valid critiques because of just your opinion? There are other people who will back either you or another person's comment, because the reason why we go through this entire process of approval is to make it better. 22:07, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

You will fix something if other users critique it, however, you can challenge the critique or refuse to change parts an image if only one user wants it to be changed, as even the artist's opinion on the image is important. I asked Snowman to revert the image as I believe that it was just fine before and that the current image is too dark. She agreed with me and then there were two people on either side of the argument, making it the artists choice and their opinion valid. That's really all there is to it? I don't see how your comment was at all necessary as she did nothing wrong in this instance, and your wording was anything but gentle.

And another note, no matter what your opinion on the artist, nitpicking for the sake of giving the artist a hard time is rude and completely unnecessary. Don't you say that's not what you're doing as the evidence in and the tone of your comments suggests anything but. If you have a problem with a user please take it up with them on your own time, or if it is really bad and encompasses the whole project take it to the project talk page, but leave it off of the approval page. This is where images are to be critiqued and approved, and if a issue comes up with behavior relating directly to the image they can be brought up there and some comments can be made or information giving, but they are not to bring up vendettas and complaints against other users in the project. We are not going to have fighting on this, capiche? <span style="">22:18 Thu Nov 7 2013


 * Darkfrost, the texture is fine, and I don't see how it blends with the shading. Also, it's my choice not to lighten him. The base (without shading and texture) is pretty much a neutral gray, which is light enough for a black cat. I was /not/ threatening anyone, and I simply used italic texture in place of //, because I felt like it. My attitude is perfectly fine, and just because I disagree with a critique that is made, gives you no real reason whatsoever to accuse me of threatening people.


 * "Everyone is seeing this behavior, and it's becoming a very bad habit for you..."


 * And for your information, I do consider this highly offensive, and because you've offended me, I am choosing to disregard your critiques on this image (not any others, just this one), because of how badly that offended me. Your opinion on me does not represent the entirety of the project. I come back from working a nine hour day to see something like this on an image that, quite frankly, I am extremely proud of and for one of my favorite characters in the entire series? Dude, I have no idea what your issue is with me, but it needs to stop. I was not threatening anyone; and pretty much everyone in PCA or those who personally know me, know that if I threaten you, you'll know it. This was not a threat, and I did explain why I didn't want to lighten him- the base was light enough as it was, and it appears that you've overlooked my comment on that.


 * I reverted Lightning Tail's image to the previous upload, because it was suggested that I do so, and I agreed with Breezey's comment. And now I am speaking as the deputy of the project, as well as a member of this wiki's staff, not as artist of this image: this will cease, now. If there is a personal issue, you will bring it to my talk page, not PCA. As multiple users have once said, you have to earn my respect, and me just being "nice" to people isn't going to happen. I'm sorry if I've offended you by not giving you instant respect, but that's just how I roll. I do assume good faith, however.


 * Now, does anyone actually have any constructive comments on this image? Or, if it's too dark for anyone, perhaps a suggestion or two for me to lighten it /without/ touching the basepelt? Like maybe a shading tint or something along those lines?

I don't see anything wrong with this, other than that it could be darkened a shade or two. This is amazing 23:37, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. While I didn't darken it, I did play around with the shading and redid that, along with a couple other things, since I didn't want to make him too dark, since that's what started this in the first place. ._. If changes aren't showing, look here.

I'm sorry for accidentally offending you, Cloudy, and I do hope to earn your respect one day. But please listen to my critique..The texture gets lost in the shading. 00:36, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

And I disagree with your critique. I've already said that before. Repeating yourself will only make things worse. If someone else, like say a more experienced user of the project (no I'm not saying you don't know anything. ._.), were to agree with you, then I'd see what I could do.

Possibly lighten the black just a tiny bit? I can't really see the texture once it hits the shading, but if you lighten the shading any more it'll seem too faint or flat. 00:47, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Please tell me you're not looking at the image on Wikia; the changes are being idiotic and please look here.

Could you define the shading on the front legs? It looks a bit flat there. 16:20, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, but I'm always willing to go change it if others agree. ^^

I'm going to have to agree with Misty on this one. <span style="">20:22 Sat Nov 9

Reuploaded. This is annoying. I want my CS5, I hate working with GIMP. .-.

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink a touch more then maybe we go CBA? 07:29, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that optional? If it is, I'd sorta rather not do it if no one minds. Sometimes I like to smudge, other times I don't. Depends on the image.

This picture is adorable. Such a cute kit! -- Moonfire  Set fire to the rain!  18:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? 20:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thorn (Ro) ~ For Approval
Eh. Comments?

Define the shading and add some depth to it if possible, it's lookin' a little flat at the moment. <span style="">07:48 Tue Nov 5

Add a little more texture? It's great, Silver c: <span style="">12:48 Tue Nov 5

Texture is completely optional. 13:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. Cute! <span style="">17:12 Tue Nov 5

Reuploaded (See hereif the changes aren't showing.) Thanks for your lovely and helpful comments ^3^

Darken, define, and add depth to the shading. 21:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded See here if the changes aren't showing.

There is waste under the tail. Also, define the shading on her side, in the middle around the spot of light. 18:17, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded (See here if the changes aren't showing) I changed the shading placement again n_n" Sorry. It's still similar though.

Blur the shading more. What program do you use? <span style="">22:01 Wed Nov 6

GIMP

If you use the airbrush for the shading, you may want to just go over a section once with a black shading color, that way it doesn't get over defined. Or, just make the shading have more intensity as it goes away from the lightsource. But I'd say this shading is slightly over defined.. I guess I'll show you one of my private images for an example..xD I'm addicted with Ezimba. I'm their number 1 visitor lately. Here: On that one I made it light-ish, and not too dark or else I wouldn't be able to see my texture anymore. But here's a solid: On that one, though, I may not have defined it enough..xD But, just keep in mind: The darker the cat, the darker the shading, the lighter the cat, the lighter the shading. :3 -is a very wise kitteh xD- Also, this may be the longest section I've ever written in PCA..lol 12:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well my method for shading is to take a super fuzzy smudge tool, make it about 30px or so, and gently smudge the edges of the shading back and forth, to make it seem a bit more blurred. As for Dark's comment about darkness and base colors, that's untrue, for the most part. Shading darkness is up to the artist, but the artist has to pull it off- you can have it as dark as you want to as long as it looks nice. 01:02, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I took parts of methods and put them together to change the shading a bit. Now with texture! :D (I can remove it if you want, though). Changes here

There is waste all around the image. Nice! <span style="">16:02 Fri Nov 8

Extend the closest foreleg highlight down to her paw. Very nice! 14:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and maybe add more depth too. :)

Could you define the unshaded parts on his legs? The back leg that's closest to us is fine, though ^^  16:26, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Just realized I've been using the wrong line art this entire time.Changes here If this is my attention span during my spare time, I'm concerned about my attention during school

Erase the waste by the flank 07:29, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have, it's just the reupload system is messing with everyone. I have a link provided above to the real picture.

Smear pelt into the earpink. 12:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tail texture flow with the body more. -- 18:19, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please lighten the shading? Maybe add some highlights, lower the opacity of the shading, or blur it, in your condition. This is looking good so far~! -- 01:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I've said it before, Bright. Shading darkness is artist's choice; please don't ask someone to lighten it unless there's a very good reason.

Reuploaded I think that's how flow-y my tail can get. And I don't really use highlights. If I did, I don't think you could see the texture or natural colour well.Changes here.

Badgerfang (Star kit) ~ For Approval
My little Badgy c: Comments? 07:53, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

This should be named File:Badgerfang.star.png, as his warrior name was used in The Ultimate Guide.

Some of the eye color on the right side is leaking out. This is amazing! <span style="">17:11 Tue Nov 5

Reups thanks! c: 20:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the tail shading just a little bit? 21:23, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reups this is as defined as I can get it. 22:09, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

White looks a bit on the gray side on the chest and paws 04:59, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reups how's this? 15:15, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

All around, it is off-white, which is good, but on the headstripe, it's brighter than the rest of the white. I may be nitpicking slightly, but maybe if you dimmed down the brightness on the stripe and made is match with the rest of the white? xD If you think it's fine, that's fine. 00:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It seems fine to me. I think it's just where her shading is placed, honestly.

Any chance of possibly creating a more defined lightsource? The face seems to look like the shading is coming from this --> side, while the back and tail say behind them and to the left, while the shoulder is sort of in front of the cat and coming from the left, as well. If you want to go with the majority's source, (back and tail's), then you'd just have to have most of the chest and shoulder and face in shadow. I can explain the other ones, if you're interested, in chat so it doesn't take up too much room here. 01:05, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think the white should take up a little less room on the face...on the apprentice blank, it seems like the white is a little smaller.

Could someone make me a shading placement? It'll make it so much easier. 08:00, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reups nvm. I've looked at Eaglekit's KiS, and this should hopefully look alright. If changes aren't showing, lookey here. 16:37, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the chin? Eagle has that, and you looked at his image, right? 14:20, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smudge the edges of the white strip on his head? Although it's primarily just blurred on his other images, I can see some smudges. Looks great! c:  16:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reups yes, Beebs, and thank you, Misty! Look changes 20:39, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the stripe on the tail a bit more to match the back 07:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 12:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps make the white part of his pelt less gray? -- 18:20, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's covered in shading, so I disagree. But I could lower the opacity on that area, if someone agrees. 18:55, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the white stripe on his head a little bit, please? -- 01:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 18:43, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Alder (Kit) ~ For Evaluation
Isn't she the cutest little thing? I know I'm not actually part of the project, so if there's anything wrong with how I reserved her (I put my name in the table and followed its format) please notify me and I will withdraw her. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:11, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brighten the white a bit? Very nice! <span style="">3:09 Wed Nov 6 2013

Smooth out the shading, it looks a bit blotchy 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded That's as bright as the white can get, and Scarletwind, are you talking about the shading on her left front paw? There's a patch of gray there that makes it look blotchy, I can remove it if you want, though. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

There is a square-patch of somesort that needs to be blurred/smudged. Here: Yes, I circled it due to the fact that I can't explain for crap. Not because I'm getting up in your face. ;) It looks amazing, Ember. Keep it up! 03:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

That area looks fine to me, Dark???? This is actually really cute omg. Maybe define the shading in general?

No, I see what dark is getting at. You can't see it in the zoom version but its like a squareish shape cut out? I'm horrible at explaining but yeah can you smudge there? <span style="">10:03 Thu Nov 7

I still can't see what you're looking at. Maybe it's because of the eyelashes? It seems to disguise the area around it, and I still say it's fine.

Here, I zoomed out, and screwed the eyelash for a better view: Can you see the square now, Snowy? o.o 12:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

ReuploadedHere if changes aren't showing. That was part of her white, but it did look weird so I extended the gray. I think the shading is fine, but if more people think I should define it then I will. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:32, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Blue the shading on the legs, and define the neck shading - if you're using this light source. 14:22, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Hereif changes aren't showing Emberpoppy7 (talk) 15:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on our left side of the image. It's darker than the rest of her body. -- 17:45, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Darkness doesn't need to be the same throughout the entire image. ^^

Can you blur the ear pink more into her pelt? -- 01:48, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Leaf (Ro) ~ For Approval
Meh, I fail. Anyways, I put "For Evaluation" because this is my first charart! But as I've seen in other discussions, it can be removed when the user knows what he/she knows what they're doing. So, comments? -- 23:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken the highlights a smidge? The seem shiny. Nice job! <span style="">1:56 Wed Nov 6

He needs to be black and white, if I'm not mistaken. 01:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink and give him a gray nose 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I ended up having to redo the whole image...if there is a way to make a gray and white cat black and white without redoing the image, please tell me. This took up so much of my time. *.* -- 20:28, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white is very gray. Also, define the unshaded parts more. Also, can you make the pattern a bit more realistic, like this maybe? I like those eyes. ;) <span style="">23:00 Wed Nov 6

Re-uploaded 'Kay, for some reason, the wiki won't let me upload this image, so I brought a link with me. Thanks Hawk for the picture, it helped. Changes are.

To be perfectly honest, the pattern was more realistic before... I think that pattern was just fine.

I think this one is more realistic, just overblurred. Maybe try smudging it instead of blurring it so much? <span style="">0:35 Thu Nov 7

Hmmm..Maybe try to aim for it to look like this? I did a quick version of what I'd do..maybe you can get some tips and pointers from this. ;) 04:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dark, I do apologize, but that's not very natural either, and I'm going to agree with Paleh, that the pattern before was more realistic. Perhaps try to go back to that one if possible? I liked it. *.*

That's fine, Cloudy. It was only a 30 second job..xD 21:49, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of liked the pattern before. I switched back. ouo -- 22:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay, I kind of blurred the ear pink because I thought it looked...odd. -- 22:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink is leaking out of the ear. Also, can you sharpen the black patches, as they seem overblurred? <span style="">1:00 Fri Nov 8

Re-uploaded I switched back to the originals, so there aren't any black patches anymore. Blurred ear pink, though. -- 01:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It looks over-smudged. Sharpen the black patches, they're losing their shape definition 05:43, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

'Kay, I'm sorry to say this, but I'm going on a trip to China to see my relatives for two weeks, which means I don't get to finish this image in time. I just found out about the Internet connection there and let me say...it's not to hot. So, can someone please take over. I was so mad, but I guess fairest is fairest...-- 21:51, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 01:36, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded. Bahh, I guess it's okay. ._. I thought about texturing the white for some time while making, but then decided it wouldn't look good..soo, Comment away my friends! And may they be good. c: 02:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't align your images. Also the pattern isn't very realistic, maybe something like this, or even this would work. Also define the shading, earpink and nosepink, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing them. -- <span style="">02:54 Sat Nov 9

Also, maybe smudging instead of blurring would work. <span style="">3:35 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. This came out beautifully..I followed first suggestion-cat, Wildd. And sorry about the aligning image thing, didn't know. See changes |here if the wiki is acting up again. 13:26, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. <span style="">20:21 Sat Nov 9

I don't really know how to put this in better words, but something about the black patches seems to be throwing me off. Maybe define them, or...I don't really know. Just saying. -- 17:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't exactly see the ear pink. Maybe darken it? -- 01:50, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

You can see the earpink just fine? o.o It's practically whacking people in the face, imo. And if I darken it, I'll have to lighten it. So, it's fine. As for the pattern, it's from an actual black-and-white cat, so I won't change it.. And, they are defined enough, and if I define them anymore, it'll make this image look slightly over-defined, and possibly pixelated. But yeah, Hawky, I'll define that shading. c: But, thanks for your comments, Brightpool, and please recognize that I'm not brushing them off, but, because what you have mentioned, are in perfect shape and form, I will not change unless someone else points it out/agrees to your comments. Hope that made sense! I re-upload tonight. 17:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually going to agree with Brightpool on this one. I think the black is a teeny bit too dark (and coming from me, that's saying something since I love black and white cats), and they seem a little too overblurred. The earpink could also be a little more pink-ish, imho, but not all that more. I think the pattern itself is good, however.

Re-uploaded. Thanks. I hope this fixed the problems.. 20:13, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please leave a image-hosting link of the image. I honestly have no clue what version I'm looking at <span style="">20:20 Mon Nov 11

Misty (Ro) - For Approval
Alright, before anyone starts complaining, there is indeed white markings on her chest, face, and paws. They're just small. Trying a new technique of gray and white kittehs today, kids. c: Comments? 04:57, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe add a bit more white than that? I can see what's there, but it's just so little...

Re-uploaded 01:41, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Holy cow, this is so freaking amazing. :O I'm jealous...teach me how you do it!! ;) My only critique, is that you define the shading more on the tail. Great job. c:  04:02, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:14, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? I like this. .o.

Sorry to interrupt, but the back legs are awfully flat. Define the shading on them?

Re-uploaded 17:10, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Waste off the stretched out back leg. <span style="">17:31 Fri Nov 8

Re-uploaded 17:40, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail just a bit more? I can't see it well ouo 21:19, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:38, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

I still see the waste off the back leg closest to us..not sure if it's my computer, but double check. 02:49, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:42, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts on the back legs? There may be a smidge of waste next o the (back) one that's closest to us, too. 04:52, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's the wrong version showing. On the right one, the shading's fine 06:11, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

The white's looking gray, unless that's the old version I'm seeing? blasted changes .-.

Re-uploaded here 06:33, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Possibly lighten the shading on the paws? It's looking sorta grayish. -- 01:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 02:27, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Acorn Fur (Ki) ~ CBA
Wow it's been a while since I've done this. <span style="">21:33, 11/6/2013

Define the shading just the tiniest bit? Very purdy, Shimmer c: 02:03, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded This look good? Thanks~ c: <span style="">02:09, 11/7/2013

She looks red on my screen. 02:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

^Same..make her more "acorn-colored." xD Not bad, Shim. Looks great. c: 03:58, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. She's chestnut coloured, right? You get horses of such colour. Maybe you could colour pick off a chestnut horse? Here's an example you could use, but there are lots of others. Just a suggestion. 15:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">00:07, 11/8/2013

Woah, this is super pretty, Shim. o.o Maybe smudge the fur into the earpink a little? You don't have to, but I think it looks nice. 01:10, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thanks Leggy~ <span style="">02:10, 11/8/2013

There's some waste on the <<< side of her head, and above it, too. Remove it? 21:19, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the right (ours) paw shading just a tad  16:35, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">17:18, 11/10/2013

Let's go CBA- this is cute. .o.

Leafstar (Q) - For Approval
And so it starts. Here we go. All colors are the same as her kittypet, so I'm not changing them. If changes aren't showing Comments?

Define your shading a bit? She's cute! 23:59, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make him  her cream under his  her belly? I looked at his  her other images and they have cream underbellies. 19:25, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Leafstar is female.... Also, maybe slightly define the ear pink? Like, on the other images I can see it just fine, but on this one, I can't. Unless it's just because of the size of the ears?

Sorry. I get the Leaves mixed up. 20:20, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

There is cream on the belly, but it's in a shaded area so it's a bit harder to see. I think the earpink's fine personally, I can see it fine and it's the same color as the other images. But I will work on the shading as soon as my computer stops being an ass and lets me into PS.

Could you add more depth to the eyes? They're looking kind of...too good. 01:52, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean, too good? I think they're fine, imo o3o 01:53, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I meant that they look very shiny and dark, looks like she's almost crying, lol. But I guess you could keep them. 02:30, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Beebs. <span style="">2:35 Mon Nov 11

Brightheart (Q) - CBA
Lookie lookie! It's my Brighty! I <3 my Brighty :3 'cept those scars were such a pain in the tail.... Anyway, all the colors came her her old queen/alt. app. Comments? look here for changes 05:39, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

So pretty ;; Can you define the unshaded part on her stomach? 00:15, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you possibly narrow out her furless face a bit more? Fur can give them a more rounded face, but under that they're typically more triangular. seriously though I love this image 00:18, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded The sort of rounded side of the face with the scars was taken from the shorthaired queen blank. 00:37, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Leggy's right. I know I told you to just use the shorthaired blank, but I didn't really take fur into account. Her face would be a lot more triangular and skinny without fur.

Haha Derp. I forgot to link. I did make her face more triangular in the new version here 03:50, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the overall shading; she appears to be the tiniest bit flat. That face tho ;-;

Re-uploaded here 'dat face dou 06:32, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading a tad? Other than that, this is perfect<3

Re-uploaded 21:38, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the belly and legs as it's looking gray. 17:43, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't defining the shading on them make it more gray? Anyway, I think it's fine - this is pretty c: 19:03, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I meant lighten, Sorrel, but I now disagree. This. Is. Awesome. 21:40, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I say we go CBA.

Mapleshade (Q) - CBA
Comments? Changes are here, if they aren't showing - <span style="">05:45 Fri Nov 8

Wow... I wouldn't want to meet her in a dark alley xP. Blur the white on her foreleg a bit 21:38, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine. Wildd I love the way you shade. <span style="">1:11 Sat Nov 9

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink a bit more 07:34, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I love this (not only because I like Mapleshade)! Maybe lighten the back-of-the-tail-shading because it's looking gray. -- 17:25, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think the earpink is fine, and the tail isn't pure white, it matches the other images, and plus the shading would do that. -- <span style="">20:36 Sun Nov 10

Shall we go CBA? I really wouldn't want to see her in the dark jeez she's actually pretty damn scary looking o.o

Dewy Leaf (Q) ~ For Approval
ha aaha aAHAAHAHA ahaaAHa 07:27, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Woo~ Sexy! Darken the shading a bit 21:38, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thank 06:30, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

If you want can you maybe make the patches less sharp? Either blur them slightly or smudge them more (again, if you'd like). *steals*

I think she's fine as she is, actually. ^^

Thicken the shading a touch more 07:34, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the ear pink? I think she'd be good to go after that. c:  19:26, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I just changed the colour of the earpink so you can see it better cause it is smudged. 04:35, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Snowfur (Q) - For Approval
Thar she blows! I wanted to do a white cat because I haven't done one since.. Whiteberry. <span style="">16:04 Fri Nov 8

Define the shading. Pretty!

Define the eye depth a bit, too? 21:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Thanks! <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">11:31 Sun Nov 10

I think her eyes still need to be defined better. Maybe make her black pupils wider? Amazing job, Amber! -- 19:28, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gorsetail (P3) (Q) - Withdrawn
Omg hardest cat ever <span style="">17:38 Fri Nov 8

I apologize Amber, but I think that you are only allowed to work on one at a time. 18:14, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

No, as explained on the talk page, if she doesn't have an original image, she's allowed two queens if she wants.

Darken and add more stripes and mottles. Also, perhaps add more depth to her eyes? The stripes also appear sharper on the warrior, too. o3o 21:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading on the head? The white part looks gray. 23:33, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes are going straight down the body, try curving them to go with the shape to give it a more 3-D effect. 19:34, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Withdrawing, as I can't get the pattern right. I also want to work on something else. <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">11:26 Sun Nov 10

Bluestar (Q) ~ For Approval
Here's BLUESTAR! I love this cat soo much. Comments for improvement? 19:27, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit, and please don't align your images when you post them. ^^

Reuploaded. Not sure what you ment about the aligning images thing. Changes here. 21:19, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

See, when you post images, the thing should read  , but instead, sometimes it reads   . That aligns the image to the left (or right/center depending on what it says to the left of the pipe), and it should just be placed normally on the page. What it does is forces the image to stay in one spot, and also messes up the sections below it, should it be small enough. Since the other images aren't aligned, it forces the other images (and sections) to appear skewed, so to say, and also causes the images to not be sectioned properly. All in all, it's a pretty easy thing to fix; just go into source mode and make sure the coding says exactly what I said. ^^

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink 07:35, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Silverstream (Alt Q 2) ~ For Approval
Comments? Look here for changes. 20:10, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

The stripe could be a bit thinner toward the tip. Very nice! 21:14, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reups thank yoouuu c: see here for changes. 22:36, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define your light source 06:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reups  12:23, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the leg that's on the ground as I can barely see the main pelt color on it. 17:41, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness is artist's choice, and I think it's fine.

Sunspots (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? If the changes aren't showing, check here.  21:05, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the markings; they get kinda smudgy on the chest 21:37, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Are you talking about her stripes, or her splashes (patches)? If it's the patch then I can fix it easily, since I wasn't very pleased with how it came out. 21:38, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

re-up figured it out, see here for changes. 22:07, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It still looks kinda smudgy and blur the shading more 06:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think both are fine, unless someone disagrees - the shading is smudged, and smudging it anymore will make it a bit flat. 15:08, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

re-up eh, forget what I said 15:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe define the shading on the back leg that's furthest from us (the one that's off  on the ground). I can't really see the shading. 17:36, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, since I like it that way, unless someone disagree o3o 17:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Birch (Ki) ~ CBA
yaaay, gingers! Comments? 22:19, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail 00:44, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

re-up 00:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe changes aren't showing, but I can't see the light on the tail; define it some more? <span style="">17:57, 11/10/2013

The changes are showing, an I think it's fine, since light doesn't have to be too visible o3o 17:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I gotta agree with Shimmer on this one. Her entire tail looks like it's in shadow?

re-up well, here ya' go o3o 19:31, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

ginger kitties are the best >:o CBA? 16:20, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Brightsky (Q) ~ CBA
boop lookie here 23:28, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Add white to the belly. This is beautiful! <span style="">21:07 Sat Nov 9

Reuploaded- Thank you c: I also had to lighten the shading more or else the white looked too gray. 05:00, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading 06:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-   16:02, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

CBA?

Turtle Tail (Q) ~ For Approval
I tried. Comments? <span style="">0:04 Sat Nov 9

The patches are smudged with a smaller tool than it appears like you did here...try using a 1 px to get the finer, smaller strokes. 00:07, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

you suck I wanted this one so badly ihu 69ever The white's looking a tad gray. She matches wonderfully tho. more gross sobbing I really wanted her entire set but she was fair game and i'm joking around please do not take me seriously.

Re-uploaded. Oh gosh I'm sorry I didn't know you wanted this one... DX But don't worry I'm not taking you seriously. The next one you want you'll get I promise... <span style="">0:29 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. White was still gray. <span style="">0:40 Sat Nov 9

Aww, pretty. <3 Although can you define the shading on the hind and fore legs?

Re-uploaded. Thank you, Stoney. <span style="">17:27 Sat Nov 9

Re-uplaoded. Waste. Trust me, the image is transparent, but wikia is being a butt so it won't show. <span style="">16:14 Sun Nov 10

Hollyflower (Q) ~ For Approval
so um hi guys  <span style="">04:38 Sat Nov 9

Lovely job Berry so pretty ;; I can't really tell, but on the back leg (the one that 'connects' to the front) seems to have a light gray strip on it. Could you smudge it a bit for it blend in? ^^  16:17, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Yeah the back feet were supposed to be white and I forgot xo  <span style="">03:42 Sun Nov 10

There's a stray pixil on her chin and the fur texture is a bit too hard edged  20:35, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sorreltail (Q) ~ For Approval
why did this sweet little bug have to diee ;0; poop 04:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit and perhaps lighten it a tad? She looks a bit grey. Beautiful! ^_^ <span style="">05:00 Sat Nov 9

Define the mottles on the ginger patches. Amazing! <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:43 Sat Nov 9

The mottles on the ginger are fine. Nice job, Misty! <span style="">14:17 Sat Nov 9

Reuploaded- Thank you for the wonderful comments ;w;   17:25, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Blurred two spots so they blended in more   15:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The patches on her tail doesn't look like they match the other images  20:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you go into more depth of what you mean? What should I fix? 22:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Can you add more depth to his eyes! -- 22:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I believe the depth is fine, but if anyone else agrees I will surely fix it ^^  16:17, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Fernshade (Q) ~ For Approval
hi  <span style="">06:42 Sat Nov 9

All I can say, is to define the shading on the belly. This is amazing Berry! <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:40 Sat Nov 9

I personally think the shading on the belly is fine. The light is coming from the left or top left corner, no? <span style="">17:11 Sat Nov 9

Yeah the light is coming from the top left corner and I'd rather leave it alone because it was an ass to do. <span style="">03:43 Sun Nov 10

This is awesome, Berry! Could you add more depth to the eyes, though? -- 17:22, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes are fine, imho.

In my opinion, the pupils look too thin and her eyes look pale and glazed. Though it may just be my computer (man, I really need to get a new one, blurry, dirty little thing!). -- 02:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

If it's okay I'd like to leave them alone. I'm quite happy with them atm, and they're the same as Hollyflower's just with pale gold instead of green. x3 <span style="">07:25 Mon Nov 11

Eye depth and the pupils is artist's choice, Bright. =3

Daisy (Q. Alt 2) ~ For Approval
Here she is. Comments?

Lighten her shading a bit, as the white looks gray. Loving her eyes and patches Stoner (: <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:32 Sat Nov 9

The shading darkness is just fine. I can clearly tell it's white. Amazing work, Stoneh! <span style="">14:18 Sat Nov 9

Don't mean to sound rude or anything, but I think the shading does need to be lightened, as it looks almost pale gray. Awesome job on her. -- 17:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, also lighten the tail patches as they're darker than the other ones. -- 17:40, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness is artist's choice, Bright. But the white on everywhere but the tail is sorta gray.

Reuploaded. Decided to redo it as it was bugging me. xP

Nightcloud (Queen) - For Approval
link Comments? -Feather 11:29, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:28 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. link -Feather 13:43, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the furthest hind leg. 13:47, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. link -Feather 14:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Nicely done~ You're someone else who can handle a really dark base for a black cat. 8D

Re-uploaded. link And thank you c: -Feather 18:57, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart gets lost in the shading, can you lighten it just a smidgen please? 20:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's mandatory to see all the lineart. I believe it's fine as-is.

Frostfur (Q) ~ For approval
link Okay, this is like, my first charart on this website, so if I have done anything wrong, I apologize. Anyway, comments? 11:42, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Looks lovely, Tiny c: Maybe thin out the shading on the back, and blur the texture a bit more on the tail, as it looks a bit pencil-y. -Feather 12:04, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on this leg. White cats' are hard for your first charart, and you've done very well :) <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:37 Sat Nov 9

If I'm not mistaken, Frostfur has no texture. Remove it? o3o 13:39, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just to add on to what Amber said, could you define the shading in general too? Well done for a first charart! <3

Redone. I used the shading placement thing mentioned below. Comments? -- 19:23, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the unshaded parts on the legs? 15:48, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Clovertail (Q) ~ For Approval
Wow. Her pattern wasn't so bad, and I got her pretty dead on. I didn't really like her, since she was pretty much only with the Clan for protection, and didn't get off her butt to train. But yeah. xD Comment away! 14:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Where's the light source? The body, I can tell for the most part, but the face says otherwise. Also, define and blur your shading, and whiten the belly and chest white; they appear gray. Also, smudge the earpink, and define the eyedepth ouo 14:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

For shading placement to clear up source issues, I recommend this as a guide, not so far off of your current shading placement. Also, make the white go all the way up the front legs, as the hind legs are fine. Coming along well, Frosty! <span style="">16:10 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Hawky!! c: I have all the Clovertail files, so when I search Clovertail, I see my image and the rest of her collection. I think mine matches pretty well. But I fixed the shading, eye depth, and made the white more white, and lightened the shading in those areas so it doesn't look gray. See here: if wiki is acting up still. 19:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading and darken it on her body.

The white on her forelegs needs to be more higher up, to her belly, and the belly white needs to go up a bit more on her chest. 20:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't tell me you're looking at the wiki image, Beebs..look at the ezimba one, please. If you're not already. c;. But, I'm following how far the white goes up on the other images, and where it is currently, is where the other images' white stops. So I'd rather not change it. And Cloudy, if I darken the shading more, I'll just be told again that the white is gray, the shading over-defined, and the list goes on. Unless, there are certain parts of the shading you'd like to specify..then I'll see what I can do. 20:56, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I was. Well, could you define where the white meets the brown on the chest and shoulders? They seem a bit overblurred. 21:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Daisytail (Q) - For Approval
I think the definition of insanity is when new blanks come out and all these simpler images come out and I go and pick one of the hardest ones <span style="">21:10 Sat Nov 9

Could you make the middle stripe (the one on her stomach) bigger to match her other images? Nice job c:  22:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wha? There's a belly stripe? lol can someone highlight with lower opacity where that's supposed to be? ;D <span style="">01:17 Sun Nov 10

btw thanks lol c: <span style="">01:19 Sun Nov 10

No, she means like the patch that's a line that goes right down the middle of the stomach, and by that I mean this part. This is amazing, Kelps! ~♥ <span style="">1:30 Sun Nov 10

Possibly darken/define the belly shading? I can't really see it, though it may just be me. -- 17:23, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded c: The shading was poop anyways so I redid it. Texture or no texture? And thankss hawkyyy <3 <span style="">00:54 Mon Nov 11

I have the file for the StarClan image, since I got it from Shelly, and it doesn't have a texture. The shading and highlights are smudged, so that's what makes it appear how it does. Since it needs to match the StarClan and warrior images, there shouldn't be a texture at all, and I think the ginger on her side should be enlarged a tad more.

I'll go enlarge it right now, but I'm a little confused: Texture is smudging the shading/highlights, right???? Lol I'm stupid ;D <span style="">01:10 Mon Nov 11

Reuploaded Pour it up pour it up you lied to me about the poopsack <span style="">07:23 Mon Nov 11

Night (Lo) ~ For Approval
meow 00:10, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The white seems the tiniest bit of gray. But if you don't want to, feel free to keep it as is. <span style="">1:31 Sun Nov 10

I've tried to make it less grey, but every time I do I end up barely being able to see it. I can try if you guys really want me to though. 02:41, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

You can try running the dodge tool over it once or twice to lighten it up a bit, to recommend something. <span style="">4:45 Sun Nov 10

The white's fine. It's in the shaded areas, it shouldn't be super blindingly white. You can clearly tell it's white here, so no need to change it.

Fallowfern (Q) ~ For Approval
Got all the colors from her previous queen image. Here's the link. Comments? 02:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the light source? Sorry if I'm missing something but it looks like it's coming from the direct top, but I'm pretty sure the tail would be lit in that case. lol I'm not even in this project  04:55, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- I moved it to the other side, not sure if that was right or not, I'm hopeless with light sources. x.x If changes aren't showing. 19:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tint of the shading more creamy, because it looks as if you're using either black or blue, and it's kind of creating a disharmony between the main fur color and shading. 20:28, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Put a little fur into the ears, and smudge it in? Looks good. c: You're not as hopeless as I am with light sources..trust me. x.x   19:55, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smudging and the like on ears isn't mandatory and it's just become a bit of a style preference.

Petal's and Fox's Mother (Q) - For Approval
Wow I'm posting an image for approval haven't done that in awhile. <span style="">7:27 Sun Nov 10 2013

Changes aren't showing... <span style="">15:54 Sun Nov 10

Could you give a link to ezimba or somewhere? As Hawk said, I can't see any changes. -Feather 16:34, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Go to File History and it appears there. <span style="">18:29 Sun Nov 10 2013

Hmm I see it but in smaller scale though.. It's kinda hard to see so can you link us anyways? the thumbnail is AMAZING, though. Wow... How long do you take per image? <span style="">18:57 Sun Nov 10

meh. <span style="">19:03 Sun Nov 10 2013

Ravenpaw (Star) - For Approval
Well, here's my first charart for the wiki :D. All colors from the apprentice image. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:50, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Not bad, for your first charart! :) Blur the white tail tip and smear the pelt into the (our right) ear pink. 19:01, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Cause mah Ravenpaw brings all the she-cats to the yard HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 19:10, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The file name needs to be File:Ravenpaw.star.png. You can continually reupload on the same file.

Whenever I do that the changes dont show. Im so dumb when it comes to uploading pictures on things :(. I'll go fix it somehow. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 19:16, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

That's not your fault; Wikia is having issues with file changes right now, I think. It happens every few months. x.x

Re-uploaded http://www.ezimba.com/work/131111C/ezimba16161922920800.png <--- Changes are there. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 20:11, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see the lineart where your shading is, please lighten your shading slightly. The earpink is all one color and would have a very small bit of shading, so try to see what you can do about that. The tailtip needs to be blended a little more. 20:27, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded http://www.ezimba.com/work/131111C/ezimba16161963841600.png <--- Changes are here again, shaded earpink on the right ear, blurred tailtip, lightened shading. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 21:43, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded http://www.ezimba.com/work/131112C/ezimba11622145078300.png <--- Smudged the earpink a little bit more It was driving me crazy HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 14:35, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

The white on the tailtip needs to be smudged into the black. What program do you use? It looks fabulous, by the way. c: 19:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded CHANGES ARE HERE ---> http://www.ezimba.com/work/131112C/ezimba11622177916700.png I use Paint.Net for everything except earpink smudging and smudging things like white tailtips into pelts, for that I use GIMP. And thanks :D. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 20:23, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Changes ---> http://www.ezimba.com/work/131112C/ezimba11622119398200.png Oops the tail shading started to turn white, fixed befored it got commented on. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 20:58, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Mole (Cat) (Star) - For approval
Pretty please with a cherry on top don't tell me to make the texture go with the flow I quite like it mangled up like that, to enhance the scruffies.. and also I'd really appreciate comments regarding shading placement but also note the light is straight above, rather than at an angle. Weeee neew shading placementtt i honestly dont like this as much as i thought i would ;c ughhhh edit conflickts <span style="">18:57 Sun Nov 10

-sqeauls- pretty o.o define the ear pink in (our right) ear? 18:59, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA forgot to reupload  <span style="">19:00 Sun Nov 10

Hmmm sorrel are you looking at the right version? if u r thankeeeee <span style="">19:01 Sun Nov 10

I was - it was like that link when I saw it. 19:01, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

It should go with the flow of the fur, no exceptions.... Raven's goes with the flow of the fur just fine, even if it's raggedy or whatever the right term is.

The eyes have no shading and have random white dots. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 19:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The white dots are eye sparkles. 20:18, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also give some depth to the eyes; they seem a little bit flat.

Reuploaded Thankeeeesssss sorrel c: No, I'm not changing the texure unless others agree with you this texture was such a PAIN to smudge. And Griffin, are you sure you're looking at the right version? <span style="">00:08 Mon Nov 11

Just because it's a pain to smudge doesn't mean you're exempt from making it flow with the direction of the fur. You're even the one who said it didn't go with the flow....o.O So obviously you're going to be asked to change it if it doesn't flow properly.

No, the reason is because I like the way it looks; I just said that because it did take a while. And I'm allowed to reject commentary, so... If some one else says I should change it too then I will. <span style="">00:43 Mon Nov 11

Rejecting a critique only because it took a while doesn't seem like a valid reason, imho. You said yourself it doesn't go with the flow, so you should have expected a comment asking you to change it. That's like someone else rejecting a lineart tweak on an image (despite them needing it) because they think the image looks fine.

Could you make the pupils on the eyes go up more like ? I was so bored today and the reason I didn't add shading was because I saw your eyes, so yeah...it's okay if you deny it though. -- 02:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Eye style is artist's choice.

Reuploaded ok so these eyes were so ugly they were driving me insane so I just cut and pasted eyes from an image i did in my spare time -____- and also the snout was ughhh so i added some shading. I'm a little happier now.. <span style="">07:42 Mon Nov 11

It's beautiful, Kel. :O Do you mind making the chest texture match more with the rogues? c: You're so much better than me at this ruffled-tom.. ;) 20:02, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think tis fine but sometimes I like to reupload when my image is looking wonky and awkward because muzzles are annoying and make my life harder and that way I can get my self onto the uploaded bar <span style="">20:08 Mon Nov 11

Speckletail (Q) ~ For Approval
If change aren't showing. Comments regarding the pattern would be appreciated, I know it's not right in some spots, but I'm not sure what I need to do to fix it. <span style="">20:12, 11/10/2013

The belly area looks a bit empty...maybe look at the loner, and fill in the empty spot with stripes that match those? 20:13, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes are blurred kind of oddly to me, for example, in some places, it's blurred/smudged but in other areas, it is not. Might I suggest that you unblur the areas where you have done so, and then take the blur tool, put it on a very low setting, and go over the stripes that way? 20:24, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading stupid edit conflict Ivy xP   20:25, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think the stripes look fine, but possibly add more? Her original queen image had a lot more than this. -- 02:36, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

You really can't see the earpink, can you make it a bit more pink? Right now it's just brown. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 14:23, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Goldenflower (Star) - For Approval
I'm sorry the eyes don't have a lot of depth, I'll fix that when I get back. I really wanted to get this up before I lost it (and thank you Beebs for getting this for me). The tweak nomination hasn't passed yet, but Cloudy told me it'd be ok if I went ahead and went with her new colors. If the nomination somehow doesn't pass, it'll be easy for me to tweak it to her old colors. 21:56, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

What happened to her old colors? This looks more light brown than pale ginger.

Grayfeather 22:10, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The colors are being changed, Grayfeather. It's intentional.

Make sure to add the nicked ear! ;) Warriorsoftheworld2468 (talk) 22:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, what happened to the ears? They seem like they're two colors. ._.  02:39, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

maybe make her a teeny bit more ginger? 04:27, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

They could be whiskers, Bright. 20:06, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

If she were to keep the wiskers there, actually, can you smudge it a tad more? <span style="">20:12 Mon Nov 11

Riverstar (Ki) - For Approval
Eh. <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="text-shadow: 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px Midnight blue;">Si <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ber <font color="darkblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ia 21:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

He needs stripes (which I have a pattern for) ouo 22:00, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smudge this little guy's ear pink into his fur more? Cute! 02:38, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Rising Moon (Q) - For Approval
This took slightly shorter than expected. See here for changes. Comments? 11:48, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Darkflower (Q) ~ For Approval
Dem eyes OwO. Comment away ~