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Cinderheart (Alt. KI) - For approval


My first charart! I spent a ton of time on it ^^". Cinderheart's alternate kit form -- she was described in Sunset as 'looking exactly like Cinderpelt (dark fluffy gray)' instead of gray tabby. Comments?  Maple   frost!   19:40, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights. 20:57, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the nose; gray cats usually don't have pink noses, and rename it Cinderheart.kit.alt 21:03, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Add some highlights to the tail. ❋  Rainwhisper   ❋  21:11, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Move the highlight to the chest and add highlights to the fronts of the legs. Mistfire Owl City! 21:39, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. What now? :)  Maple   frost!   00:05, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights a little more. ❋  Rainwhisper   ❋  00:06, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

* coughs* Rename it Cinderheart.kit.alt, please. 01:23, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

* Facepaw* Sorry... I was being an idiot xD. I named it Cinderheart.alt.kit... ugh... Sorry, I'll rename it when I re-upload it (in a few minutes when I finish editing)  Maple   frost!   01:53, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded! (/Is very glad she re-read her post before clicking save page. That would've been an embarrassing typo.)  Maple   frost!   02:00, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

There is an extra period after alt. You just need to name it Cinderheart.kit.alt, it will add the .png to the end on its own. Sorry for the lack of image-related comments, I will once you name it correctly ^_^ 03:33, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Uggghhh xD sorry... you have permission to cyber-punch me. I know, I'm exasperating. It's part of my internet charm ^_^ (NOT). Okay... it's named right, now. I think... xD. Maple  frost!   05:20, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Change the nose color to a darker gray. 17:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and shading thoroughly. B l  i  zz  a  r  d  f  u  r  White Cats  Rule Leaf-bare!  17:39, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded! Maple  frost!   19:32, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights look... mismatched and blotchy. Can you try and fix that? ❋  Rainwhisper   ❋  20:43, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink looks crooked. -- 20:44, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Maple  frost!   23:23, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and shading thoroughly. 23:26, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Are they too strong or something? I keep getting told to do that... they're as blurred as they possibly can be, so are they just too strong? Maple  frost!   23:34, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

The nose is still a bit pink. And no, they're not too strong. You need to blur them, they're too blotchy. 04:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Should I make the nose completely black/very very dark gray? Or just darken the current pinkish-gray nose? Maple  frost!   05:05, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Make the nose colour a dark gray -- 00:12, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Okay, I fixed the nose and splotchiness. It doesn't look splotchy anymore ^^", thank goodness. I'm sick of the Blur tool. xD  Maple   frost!   17:53, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

It still looks really blotchy to me. 21:24, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Me, too. There are scraps of shading and highlights everywhere, and looks a bit disorganized. Also, blur the tail shading a tad. -- 21:26, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Is that better? Maple  frost!   21:57, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Now it looks how it did before XD Blur it mostly on the chest area, but on the legs and the tail too. ❋  Rainwhisper   ❋  22:07, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Would you want some help with the blotchiness? 04:41, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

-Sigh-... Whenever there's blotchiness, there's something I like to do called... REDOING THE SHADING AND HIGHLIGHTS. I just fill 'em in again and redo the shading and highlights and hope it works. B l  i  zz  a  r  d  f  u  r  White Cats  Rule Leaf-bare!  04:03, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

If they redo the shading and highlights, it may make it more blotchy, with the Pixlr blurring. 05:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

The earpinks should be a bit more consistent. 08:35, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I completely restarted--been working on this nonstop. :D I think I got it fixed. Comments? *Crosses fingers* Oh, and please give me little details, too--like, say, the eyes are a bit to greeny-blue, etc. Don't be afraid to point something like that out--I want you to. I'm trying to become a great Charart member :).  Maple   frost!   06:28, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Much better, Maplefrost. :] Make the nose lighter and blur the ear-pink more. 01:53, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll go work on it now :). P.S.--Has nothing to do with this, but... can ANYONE tell me what happened to Bramble and why Oblivion's now leader? It's like one day I logged on and Bramble was listed as leader, then suddenly Oblivion... and I can't find anything about it. I checked PCA news, tried the (confusing) forums, and even poked around on Bramble's profile... nothing. On his/her (I think last I read Bramble's a her xD) profile it still says 'I'm the leader of Project Charart, yada yada yada".  Maple   frost!   03:45, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Read the discussion on "New Leadership" in the discussion area. :3 03:50, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I read it :) congratz on being new Dep. Humm... does that look any better? Note: For some odd reason every time I clicked 'overwrite existing photo with yours' ('cause I have to name it Cinderheart.kit.alt), it would say 'success!' and I'd click 'return to editing', yet it would look exactly the same... I tried to get it to work about ten times, to no avail. So now I'm just crossing my fingers that it'll show the 'right' new one.  Maple   frost!   04:25, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink and darken the shading-- 22:58, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten highlights. This is quite good =3 ޓ  S u n  s p ir it  ޓ  Santa Paws is coming to town! |undefined 09:30, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Great job, Maplefrost. 8) The ear pink should be even on both ears. :) -- 21:13, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded! Is that better? I think the ear pink's a bit too faint now... am I right? Comments? ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  22:00, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right XD so brighten it up a little. 03:30, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

xD Is that better? (Reuploaded) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  17:06, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa! Nice sig, Maplefrost. This is really good, just make the nose a lighter gray. Mistfire Owl City! 17:13, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks and thanks! :) Thanks also for giving me the link to Oblivion's Sig tutorial, back when I was a WWiki noooob... Heh, I'll go change the nose color now. :) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  17:44, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

How's that? (Reuploaded) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  04:03, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

There's a single circle of highlights on her chest. Blur and smooth it out. Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 15:27, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading and brighten the highlights, and I can hardly see the ear pink. 19:07, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Dodge the face a tad more. 11:23, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Working on it! Just making sure you don't think I've abandoned it ;) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  19:32, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Just darken the shading a little on the paws, unless the light is coming from the front. It seems to be coming from the top. Otherwise, it's FANTABULOUS! Butterfly } { Song!  00:25, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the tail and brighten the highlight there. Try making the transition smoother. =) -- 14:29, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- 19:48, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

If it is declined, might I work on it? I'm horrbily bored now that I have no charart to do Maplepool 04:08, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can work on this now-- 04:17, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

What? No! I'm right here! I'm reuploading now! One sec. It's still mine. I never resigned... ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  21:33, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... how's this? I think I fixed the ears. I still need to work on the paws, which I'll do on my next upload, but I kind of rushed this one... I don't want this to be taken away from me :/ I never withdrew it. It's just... been the holidays. I couldn't be on 24/7. I'm back, though. This is my first charart; please don't take it away from me. Anyway... reuploaded, comments please. ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  21:57, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Maplefrost, this is wonderful! Just blur the shading at the base of the tail a little. Mist fire I'd like fries with that 18:33, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit more consistent. 07:29, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thank ye ^^. Okay, I fixed the tail and paws, but I haven't reuploaded it because... well, what exactly do you mean by consistent? Heh, please don't laugh... just need to make sure before I mess it up more. ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  20:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Consistent means to make them the same. The right (our right) earpink seems a little brighter than the left and they are not in the same shape. 21:33, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

And while you're at it, brighten it a bit more =) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:46, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

This is great Maplefrost! Just brighten the face a little.  Mistfire Epic Fail  05:16, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:35, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yup! :) ℳąφℓ₠  ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  04:33, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded! ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  04:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Juuust making sure XD Blur the chest highlight/shading --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:23, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Rename the image 'Cinderheart.kit.alt' 15:53, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe a little less shading, or maybe some more highlights? Either will work. -

 UNI  01:04, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- Night  shine  16:51, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure on this so bear with me. The shading could be blurred and are there hightlights? I don't seem to see any:PMINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  01:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

If this is declined, may I take over? :3 22:44, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm workin' on it, sorry. It's not an excuse, but my dog passed away recently. I haven't been on much. ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  01:02, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Poor you and doggie D: Make the earpink brighter and redder.  Mistfire Epic Fail  03:48, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink looks fine to me, just darken the nose colour/make it dark gray-- Night  shine  05:41, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Why is the charart called KitLongFehmm222 O_o? Rename it Cinderheart.kit.alt please 15:32, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know O_o Why the heck did it name it that? It's saved in my comp as 'Cinderkit charart'. Anyway, I reuploaded. ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  22:17, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights. Looking good. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:22, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Smooth out the chest shading.  Mistfire 1000 Edits!  01:58, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink. Are you still working on this? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:49, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- Night  shine  02:59, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

If Maplefrost can't/doesn't want to finish, I can take over. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 14:03, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm done. I don't deserve to continue this; I'm not on enough. So... I'm withdrawing it... sorry... this doesn't mean I can't do other chararts in the future, does it? ℳąφℓ₠ ƒя☼ş₮ ❣ ツ  04:28, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

I doesn't, don't worry. I'm assuming Cloudskye will take over this image now, so it won't go to waste. :) 04:34, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm working on it. No image should go to waste. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:25, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I changed the color of the eyes, blurred the chest and re-did the ear pink. So, does it look better? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:37, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can the highlights/shading be blurred anymore? 22:10, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. River, I did what I could without killing the lineart. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:32, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the body, darken the nose colour-- Night  shine  23:11, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading near the tips of her fur and create a bit more of a contrast between the shading and the highlight. Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 15:55, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. The kit image is getting hard to work with. Give me a bit to get it done. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:50, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Does she look any better? I am not good with the shading. The more I try and fix it...the blacker it looks. Even when I try and repair it with highlights. I don't think it looks that bad, though. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 18:12, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

The ear-pinks look like they're different sizes, or maybe that's just me. And also maybe brighten the eye color to it matches Cinderpelt's eye color, since she was described as looking like Cinderpelt's spitting image. Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 23:32, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I re-did the eye color to match Cinderpelt's, and I also re-did the ear pink. Comments? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Looks like there is a black spot above her eye. Darkhallows... Mew? 20:05, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? 22:46, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

There's still a black dot over her eye. Echostar229 01:37, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Better now? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:23, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the chest highlight a bit more. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 14:59, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred like I was told. I'm not sure if I can blur anymore. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:11, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Add a highlight to the tail, thicken the shading on the right Night  shine  00:50, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Added a highlight and thickned the shading. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:41, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? Darkhallows... Mew? 21:15, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the right. 01:12, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Frostheart, I think the lightsource is the top left corner, in which case it shouldn't be changed. Darkhallows... Mew? 07:50, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Creekfeather (Ki) - For Approval
Creekfeather as a kit 21:55, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the whole thing, lighten the ear pink, darken the stripes-- 22:02, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sharpen the stripes and smudge them. 22:27, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Darkened whole image, lightened earpink, darkened stripes, and smudged them more. 23:00, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Smudge the stripes more; make them look feathery. It kind of looks like he is flecked. 23:33, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Smudged them even more...... I think I need to smudge them all around, not just going with the fur, to make them look more feathery..... 02:05, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and darken it a tad. Also, maybe try smudging the stripes with the size 1 brush and just run it back and forth through the tabby mark. If my charart was approved I was going to do Creekkit and that's what I did. (I made his image because I was bored XD) If that doesn't make sense then just leave it be :) 02:22, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I'm trying my best..... I'm also starting to despise the smudge tool..... ;) 03:53, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Make the spots more stripe-ish. :) 11:23, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Tried to make them more stripe-like :S 14:27, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Make the earpink a little bigger. 14:41, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Enlarged earpink. 01:48, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink is too fuschia, and the stripes don`t look like stripes. Make them a lot thinner. 22:46, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I Fixed the earpink, although I'm not too sure about the stripes. They aren't very stripe-like on his warrior image, and I want a few more user's opinion on that. No offense. 00:47, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think they should look a little sharper and a little less thick. Maybe even get rid of a few of the stripes. 01:22, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

The stripes should be in a triangle shape and then smudged heavily. 01:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. It looked so good and strip-y, until I smudged it.... :( 16:24, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

It looks really nice! Just make the earpink a little pinker, like on the warrior image. Zexion; The Cloaked Schemer  02:06, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Use the smallest possible brush for smudging. It will help your outcomes. =) - -   Wildheart  W h a t i s r i g h t n o w ? 03:31, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes a tad skinnier. 05:48, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 04:51, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Good. You got the idea when you smudged it. Looks good, but make the stripes smaller so that it's like little patches. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:56, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Great job, Rainlegs! =) Can you add some highlights to the tail? -- 14:06, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 03:33, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

You still need to make the stripes into something more resembling the patches on his other chararts. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:37, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Okay..... Stripes or Patches? I'm switching back and forth here. 02:42, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

They are stripes, but they are smudged to look like patches. 15:38, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Mmkay. That clarifies things..... 14:51, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Just make stripes and smudge them a lot with the small circle tool to make it look somewhat like a patch-- 23:06, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I redid the image. 02:55, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, add shading under the chin, lighten the ear pink, smudge the patches. -- 04:14, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Lemme guess...... Thin out chin shading? 01:35, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Haha chin shading looks fine. I know this is kind of contradicting what nightshine JUST said, but darken the earpink. Not a LOT, so that it's like it was before, but just so it doesn't look so bubble-gum pink, y'know? =P Make the patches a leetle bit smaller and smudge them a leetle bit more XD --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:09, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a bit. 07:29, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:28, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the nose colour, lighten the ear pink, define the patches-- night  shine  ❄ 02:08, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Looking good! Move the chest highlight up a bit. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 02:01, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Nerp. Was grounded from the computer. I'm back, though! 00:52, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, but in the way of consistency, could be a bit better. Perhaps make the patches a bit smaller. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:29, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- Night  shine  01:02, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry! I was re-doing the image, then I had some other life-issues, and didn't get around to this. Will re-upload in a minute. 01:16, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-did image. I stole all the colore from Creekfeather's warrior image. 01:34, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the stripes some more. This looks great! Ravensoul101 03:02, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 19:31, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes and the nose colour-- Night  shine  23:23, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Is it normal to want to shred a fictional character into teeny-tiny peices? 01:33, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink just a tad. 18:17, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:39, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the patches some more and darken the shading a tad --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:34, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 16:32, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Three days, and no comments....... Anyone? 01:26, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Rainlegs, be patient. Blur the darker stripes.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  05:02, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded.... I might need a little help with blurring the shading... 00:29, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

I can, if you want... <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  02:17, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Can you? That would be great! 03:17, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the patches some more. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 21:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Done. Mistfire? 02:54, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge it even more. Perhaps with a larger brush. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:26, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I smudged it even more, using a variety of brush sizes. Mistfire? 23:37, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes and add shading under the chin. Darken the shading as well-- Night  shine  02:59, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Chinshading= UBER failure....... Mistfire? 01:38, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see any stripes on this, make them darker. Blur the shading -- Night  shine  05:42, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, I'm just having issues with this cat..... I'm gonna withdraw him. If anyone wants him, go ahead. 21:17, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

May I take over this one? ✳  YatzSliversword   Let it snow...  ✳ 22:26, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Knock yourself out. :) 22:29, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading under the chin, brighten the ear pink, and brighten the highlight on the chest. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 15:52, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

It looks good, but blur the chest and shading. 01:50, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I blurred everything and made the ear pink lighter. ✳  YatzSliversword   Let it snow...  ✳ 15:37, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Needs to be blurred a lot more, and the ear pink should be made even. Also, change the nose to pink, or at least a lighter gray. Darkhallows... Mew? 20:11, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes more noticeable. Just make the nose colour lighter, don't make it pink though. 22:48, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more red and blur it. 01:10, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

You need to rename it 'Creekfeather.kit'. Not 'Creekfeather.kit2'. Echostar229 03:07, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Uh... I don't know how to overwrite the existing photo, so does the name matter? ✳  YatzSliversword   Let it snow...  ✳  11:08, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just name it 'Creekfeather.kit' and upload it. It'll take you to a page with both versions of the image and click on 'overwrite current image with new image' or something. And that's how to re-upload images over previous ones rather than creating a new one each time. I hope that wasn't too vague... <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 21:53, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Righty ho. I did it. ✳  YatzSliversword   Ah, spring...  ✳  16:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the top of the chin shading. Darken the stripes, make the ear-pink more reddish, and blur it, too. 00:26, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blackstar (Alt. L) - For Approval
This is my first leader as well as the first PCA charart I made with GIMP. I'm not sure about the highlights. What do you guys think? 00:07, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Darken and blur/smugg the ear pink, and lighten the whole image. 00:19, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the highlights a little and blur them. 00:38, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Moonflight, when you use the blur tool, turn the rate up to 100. Not sure if you knew that. But anyways, lighten the entire image and make the nose colour darker. 01:06, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the image, and brighten the highlights. Also, when you make a black cat, make sure you fill it in with a very dark grey, instead of solid black. Also, darken the shading. I love the way you did the ear pink, by the way! 01:22, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

It looks as if you've colored his pelt with solid black, because I can't see the lineart. My suggestion is to redo the image, using a dark gray for the pelt like Nightflower said. You can try lightening it, though. 03:09, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded: I didn't use black, but it was close. I redid it and completely did away with the highlights. 03:17, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Much better! Blur and thicken the shading. 04:13, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Blur highlights and shading. ℳĨ₰₮ ₣ĨȒ€ Happy New Year!  16:35, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

lighten him just a little bit, and smug the ear pink with the black. 06:17, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded: I redid him. Comments? 18:25, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading and darken the whole image; right now it looks dark gray. Add shading under the chin and lighten the ear pink-- 00:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Bleck...comments? 18:54, January 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good job. Darken the shading on the tail. 17:43, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * lighten the front legs more*Wildfire* 15:01, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading under the chin on the right side, blur the shading thoroughly, darken the nose colour, smudge the black into the ear pink-- night  shine  ❄ 02:08, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Add/brighten the highlights. 21:26, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Ah. Much better. 22:17, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the haunch highlight a bit and make it a bit bigger as well. Looks great. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:00, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't add highlights. 00:20, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Okay then just thin out the shading a bit on the haunch. =) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 02:10, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I can without it looking messed up. Sorry. 19:34, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the entire image. Just dodge it on like .5% and then maybe we'll be able to see the lineart better. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:20, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 10:27, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a bit and blur it-- Night  shine  01:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh Blackstar is white with black ears and paws KAT 03:20, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

This is an alternate picture. Hence the "Alt. L" on the heading. Please sign with four tildes (~) on talk pages like this. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:15, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur highlights and shading.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  05:01, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay everyone. I am working on this, so please leave this as it is. 19:55, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights around the neck 17:29, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reploaded17:23, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make the front leg highlights go up and down the legs.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  02:19, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Um...huh? 23:38, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Add/darken nose colour-- Night  shine  02:27, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading between the legs. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 21:15, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the haunch highlight a little. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  21:27, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- Night  shine  05:41, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, people! Thanks to Scarletwind, I did this. She said it hadn't been worked on in a long time. ^_^ ✳   YatzSliversword   Let it snow...  ✳ 12:50, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can take over.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:26, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Please please don't. This is my first chance at an approved charart. ✳  YatzSliversword   Let it snow...  ✳ 16:28, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

...Um... Reuploaded. Can I still work on this? 17:20, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yes you can. Darken the nose colour-- Night  shine  23:10, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading down by the paws, left haunch, and tail. I can't see the lineart. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 15:51, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it should be lightened. I can see it fine. Darkhallows... Mew? 20:16, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ya keep it dark. He is a black cat. Make the nose black. 01:11, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

There's a patch of shading on the lower chest above the forelegs, that isn't continued on down. Either get rid of the patch or continue it into the space of belly between the legs. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 21:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going out soon, so I'll get to this tomorrow. 21:12, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Cinderpelt (Alt. Apprentice) - For Approval
Oh, meow. Cinderpelt, with a deformed leg, as an apprentice. I tried my new style with shading, then blurred it. Honestly it's better than before. The earpink didn't work so well for me. Comments? 00:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink and straighten it out a little (if that makes sense) and blur the haunch highlight. 01:47, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Blur all the highlights. 01:54, December 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded: Straightened the ear pink; blurred, and blurred the highlights as well. Constructments? 01:56, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

It needs to be long-haired. 04:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink. 03:15, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- 18:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

It has been a week since Icestorm has reuploaded this. May I take over? 01:41, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Wait a few more days-- 15:53, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Icestorm's computer broke. She might not be back for about 10 more days. 16:38, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Well, do I have permission to take over? Is it possible you could ask her? Or, shall we wait? 16:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

We should wait. 20:52, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Declined due to lack of work-- 00:21, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

I am reposting this, Icestorm's computer had only just began working again. 23:04, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll get started right away. 17:25, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-Uploaded: Done. 15:43, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blur the highlights and the earpink. 16:41, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink needs to be bigger and triangular, and the highlights blurred. It looks great though! 18:35, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Looks Great! Just darken the image a little more so it looks more like her other chararts. 18:46, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, they just look like circles of pale gray. Mist fire I'd like fries with that 14:47, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Someone can take over on this since Ice has left for a little while-- night  shine  ❄ 02:07, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'll do it! Ravensoul101 02:36, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights bigger, and more blurred.

Blur the shading. Brighten and make the earpink into a more triangular shape. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:34, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten** --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:09, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Are you working on this, Ravensoul? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:21, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ravensoul e-mailed me last night and told me that the wiki isn't letting him edit anything. It happened to me once, but it only lasted a day. 00:47, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the hi-lites on the shoulder and haunch.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  18:14, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink is unnaturally bright, tone it down a bit. 21:13, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

If Ravensoul still isn't able to edit this, I think somebody else should take over. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:16, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Test... Test... Ravensoul101 15:35, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

It works! Yay! I'll work on it. I'm going to re-do the highlights and shading ompleatly. They really aren't workin for me. BRB Ravensoul101 15:37, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

If you're up to it maybe you could add just a tiny bit of a paw on the other side of the haunch? It looks like there's actually no leg right now XD --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:03, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Can you help me with the blurring? Pixlr is KILLING me. Ravensoul101 02:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I'll do that right now. If you really hate pixlr, though, you can download GIMP for free. That's what I use, and it's wonderful XD --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:05, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Blurred it a bunch. There was also some blurred lineart that I fixed, which meant I had to change the earpink a bit. Hope that's okay. Did I help? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:46, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

The line art on the far foot is too thick, also I suggest you get rid of the clump of black pixels around the hind foot-- Night  shine  16:47, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Wildheart- My dad won't let me download it, and, thanks a ton! Ravensoul101 03:38, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't really look like her leg is deformed. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 22:09, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's a little hard since it's the hind leg on the other side, but I guess I can make it a little curved. Ravensoul101 04:51, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Tried my best.... :S Ravensoul101 16:42, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading so it's fading smoothly into the pelt.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  05:00, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and try to make the foot lineart curling up, like her medicine cat charart --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 05:20, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined--- Night  shine  02:26, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm back! Had to buy a new computer. My three-year-old sister snapped some wires, and it died. Got a new one, and re-uploaded. Can somone help me a little more with blurring? Ravensoul101 03:42, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

The foot lineart looks great! Too bad about your computer. I suppose I could help if you want... --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 05:02, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please! Ravensoul101 04:10, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Blurred to the max. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:58, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten highlights.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:35, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks Wildheart! Ravensoul101 16:41, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Right now this looks kind of like half of the image is dark and the other half is light, so try to give it more dimension. Night shine  23:09, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I blurred it as much as pixlr would let me. Help? Ravensoul101 01:34, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Still needs a lot more blurring. Want me to do it in GIMP for you? Darkhallows... Mew? 21:17, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please! Ravensoul101 00:27, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Done. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:48, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

The whiskers seem like they've been elongated or blurred. Also, I think the shading could be blurred more. 00:00, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Berrynose (Alt. A) - For Approval
first carart project cat *Wildfire* 23:53, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the patches, and make them a pale gray so the shading will show up. Darken the shading under the chin and on his left foreleg and hind leg. Darken the ear-pink. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 23:55, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rainbreath already has this reserved so it will be declined-- 23:57, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, Rainbreath has his kit image reserved. No one else has this currently reserved so it is fine. Rename this Berrynose.apprentice.alt.png. Blur the patches of white and darken the shading.-- 23:58, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

um.. no she reserved the alt. kit*Wildfire* 00:02, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Get rid of the tail, and make the stump look the the warrior image. 00:06, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not bad! Blur the shading, there is too much of a *searches for word* difference, if you know what I mean. Mist fire I'd like fries with that 01:11, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

do i get rid of the tail or not and how do i reupload it*Wildfire* 02:05, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

get rid of the tail. You re-upload it by left clicking on the image, clicking on 'open link' and then going to the bottom of the page it takes you to and clicking 'upload new verson', or some saying like that. 02:53, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

i would also like to join project carart*Wildfire* 03:13, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded*Wildfire* 03:17, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make the tail look more natural like in his apprentice charart. Blur the shading a ton and blur the earpink. 03:21, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the white patches, make the ear pink more reddish, darken the shading-- 03:32, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded *Wildfire* 15:47, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

can i join project carart? *Wildfire* 15:49, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded *Wildfire* 16:23, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sure I'll add you in. Smudge the white patches. Darken the shading a lot, especially on the white areas. Darken the ear pink-- 19:58, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

what else do i need before the 24 hrs. can start?*Wildfire* 22:09, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Um, what Nightshine said above your comment? And it's not that easy, you know. Most chararts need truckloads of work, and just a couple re-uploads won't get you very far. Should I also suggest blurring the white patch on the muzzle more? It looks sort of unnatural right now. -- 22:40, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

okay, sorry *Wildfire* 22:48, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

No, no. It's not your fault. I'm just saying, don't get too impatient with yourself, 'kay? :3 -- 22:52, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

yah i understand but i was being a little rude*Wildfire* 23:04, January 10, 2011 (UTC) 

Make the skinny gray area between the forearm and the chest white and darken the shading there. Smudge all the white patches, darken the ear pink, blur the shading and highlights-- 01:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded*Wildfire* 01:03, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the white transition, make the gray area in front of his fore arm white, blur the shading and highlights, -- 04:13, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded *Wildfire* 21:54, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights. 00:55, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded *Wildfire* 15:37, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and shading some more and brighten the earpink. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 22:49, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Rename it Berrynose.apprentice.alt.png please :) 21:44, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

i don't know how i tried but couldn't so how do i rename it *Wildfire* 00:26, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

You reupload the image with the correct name. 02:53, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

i dont know how could you please help*Wildfire* 02:12, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

okay i got it*Wildfire* 22:02, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the shading and highlights more consistent. 06:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink some. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:28, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

This technique of shading looks awesome! Only blur the shading a bit.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  03:50, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded *Wildfire* 17:13, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the haunch and shoulder. 19:10, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink some more. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:32, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined-- Night  shine  01:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

sorry i will get to work Wild  fire  03:40, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded Wild  fire  03:47, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the bottom of the haunch shading, lighten the earpink, and blur the shading some more. Better, though =) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:50, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose since Wildfire's leaving =( this means this is up for grabs. Speak now or forever hold you peace, people. --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

-speaks- I will do et! xD 16:21, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

i said kittycat or nightshine could have it sorry Wild  fire  16:31, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wildfire, you don't really have a say over that. There's a lot of new users who haven't even done a single charart, and this is one of their only opportunities. 17:58, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Rainlegs is right, any user who isn't currently working on a charart can take over on this-- Night  shine  16:45, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

So...I can do it? 17:48, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you can. :) 19:14, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded 21:50, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

There is some colour outside of the line art, fix that, get rid of the clump of black on the hindfoot, darken the shading, take the line art from Berrynose's apprentice image for the tail. Add some more white areas, add ear pink-- Night  shine  23:27, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Bah, I think I made it worse. 23:26, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the patches and shading and brighten the earpink so it shows up more. 173.183.120.76 02:54, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

(computer logged me out. that was me, sorry) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:25, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added more white and redid the shading. 22:10, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and maybe lighten the gray a tad. 18:17, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened shading, I think it looks too dark now. 21:10, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks pretty dark on the white part on his head. Lighten it a little. 04:43, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Define the white patches, get rid of the gray speckles around the charart, and the shading just looks more like a darker shade of gray rather than shading. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 02:39, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried a different style, a back light source. 22:30, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! Just darken the light pixles on his right paw. 04:19, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry about the bits of grey around him, it's the way I shade. 20:33, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink and eye colour. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:37, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

The white looks too gray.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  03:29, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that the gray is shading but 1) hardly any white spots 2) just barely blur the shading, hardly <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  01:01, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

There is so much shading on the white it looks gray, and the white markings don't look natural- just like one big swooping line down the cat, if you know what I mean. 05:26, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added more white, and redid the shading again. 16:43, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The gray and white areas just don't look natural. Try looking up a picture of a gray-and-white cat to get ideas. Lighten the ear pink a bit. Night shine  05:15, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks for the comment, Nightshine. I think finding a ref helped a bit. c: 22:43, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe add some gray to the fore arms, lighten the ear pink a bit, smudge the gray parts, lighten the white areas-- Night  shine  02:26, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Nightshine, what do you mean about adding gray to the forearms? They're supposed to be white. 00:34, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

It will give the charart a more balanced look-- Night  shine  00:16, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I gave him gray 'socks', it's a marking that's natural with cats. Is that alright? 01:03, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the gray markings and darken the shading-- Night  shine  01:58, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I smudged around the white markings, is this what you meant? 22:03, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Inbetween his left legs, there's a few pixels that are a grey-ish color. Make these transparent. 16:56, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think I got rid of most, if not all of the grey pixels. 22:52, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the gray transition, give the image more dimension; it's really flat right now-- Night  shine  23:09, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I smudged it a lot. How, exactly, would I make the image have more dimension? 17:36, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

That means to make the image look realistic, 3D looking. 20:10, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the white bits. And perhaps blur rather than smudge. Darkhallows... Mew? 20:21, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a bit more. --  Moon  leaf  20:21, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I ended up redoing the image. better? 21:41, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit smaller and try and blur the gray on the haunch. 00:54, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Tried a different style of shading. Made the ear pink a bit smaller. The gray on the haunch is blurred to the max. 21:51, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the tail shading, lighten the ear pink a bit, Night  shine  23:14, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:23, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the gray/white transition if it cant be blurred any more. 20:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

erase the gray speckles by his muzzle. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 13:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  16:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Tawnypelt(Alt. W)- For Approval
I did the best I could, but idk... 01:12, January 22, 2011 (UTC)Mintstarr (Talk)

I moved this to the right section. I don't see her being mentioned as cream coloured in the trivia night  shine  ❄ 01:15, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I believe this is for her tawny colored alternate. The reference is I believe on page 3 of Midnight. 02:55, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Assuming this has a correct reference for now: Tawnypelt should be more ginger or orange-colored; this looks too brown/cream. The earpink is too small and too light, make it dark redder and a tad larger. Add a clearly visible highlight to the tail, and brighten the highlights. Darken the shading, make it thicker, and blur them thoroughly. In my opinion, the ear could use a slight highlight; it looks a little dark right now. -- 02:59, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll add that to her trivia. As for the image, blur the highlights and shading, make the ear pink more reddish. Right now this looks cream colour and it should be tawny (ginger) -- night  shine  ❄ 03:00, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Tawnypelt.warrior.alt.png 09:19, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I will fix all of this, but did I do the shading right? Mintstarr (Talk) 14:30, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks fine :P The ear pink needs to be redon badly, it looks more like a circle right now. Blur the shading on the front leg a bit. Other then that, nice work. 17:06, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

I can't reupload the file because I'm getting a message saying, file type verification error. Mintstarr (Talk 17:59, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Better? Mintstarr (Talk) 19:26, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Move the shoulder highlight down and it still needs to be more orange. Make the ear pink smaller and more red, and blur the shading. 19:33, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to know what color she should be look at her alternate kit image. Also, blur the tail shading and make the shoulder highlight more oval shaped. 21:27, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, scratch that with the alternate kit. Just do what Iceheart said and make it more ginger. ;) 21:31, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

The shading could still be darker. The earpink looks unnatural, fix that, please. It should be darker red and more saturated, as well as more consistent and more evenly dark. Also shade her midriff, please. -- 21:20, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I don't think I shaded the midriff right. I made more ginger and made her earpink smaller and redder. Mintstarr (Talk) 23:10, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a ton and darken the earpink. The midriff shading should be from the middle of her back to her stomach. 01:01, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I fixed the earpink and shading. Mintstarr (Talk) 23:19, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading some more and perhaps make her a bit more tawny (gingery brown) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:03, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- the shading has been blurred. Mintstarr (Talk) 22:08, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be more tawny-coloured. Tawny is a gingery-brown, whereas this is more of a pale yellowy-ginger. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 02:33, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- it is gingery-browner. Mintstarr (Talk)Mintstarr 01:10, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

It could still be more ginger, and blur the shading. 01:41, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- it is more ginger and the shading has been blurred Mintstarr (Talk) 22:31, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

It should still be more richer ginger. Is this your idea of ginger? This is mango. Take a look at Tawnypelt's alternate kit image or Cherrykit's image to get an idea, Mintstarr. You've been asked to make this image ginger many times, and I still don't think you've gotten the idea. Thanks, -- 23:17, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Also, you've named it wrong. Please rename it Tawnypelt.warrior.alt, thanks. -- 23:21, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's so much the ginger aspect she's missing, but the brown. Right now it's a ginger. A pale ginger, but a ginger nonetheless. You need to make it a little more brown. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:50, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the hi-lites. Mist fire I'd like fries with that 02:19, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I borrowed the pelt color from her alternate kit image so if it isn't tawny I was lied to. Mintstarr 18:14, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

(sigh) Mintstarr, I made Tawnypelt's alternate kit image, and you weren't "lied to". -_- It still could be a tad more saturated. Try comparing it again:



See how it looks a tad more ginger? That's the color I think Tawnypelt's alternate warrior image should be. I hope you understand! :) Thanks, -- 19:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Her alternate kit image wasn't tawny-colored though. it was pale ginger like Goldenflower. It needs to be more brownish and the shading needs to be blurred a ton. 00:56, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- it should be more ginger. User:Mintstarr 01:03, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

It needs to be more brown, right now it just looks yellow. This is the color of a tawny-colored cat: link. The shading still needs to be blurred too. 01:22, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the hi-lites.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  19:16, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- more brown or more ginger? sigh... Mintstarr (Talk) 23:38, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more red, blur the shading, and maybe darken the entire image to make it look more likr the kit. 19:12, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Hows that? Mintstarr (Talk) 00:27, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

The image still needs to be a light brown. I wouldn't use the kit image as a referance, because it's ginger. Also, make the earpink a tad smaller, it's kinda falling out of the ear right now, and blur the shading on her haunch. 01:17, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Sasha doesn't have this pelt color and she is a tawny cat. Mintstarr 17:35, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink duller and this still needs to be brown-er. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 01:27, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  Mintstarr (Talk) Mintstarr 20:54, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this really needs to be browner. Here is a picture of a tawny-coloured cat. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 00:11, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading. 01:15, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

The hi-lites seem to be just... there, when they should be smoothly flowing into the pelt.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  14:53, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I found the colors off the internet so which one is tawny-er, excluding highlights and shading? Mintstarr (Talk) Mintstarr 16:38, February 5, 2011 (UTC)



The one on the right, but it would need to be a little lighter, and not as orange-y. The one on the left is too cream-colored. 16:43, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Rainlegs. Would be much better. =) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y undefined)Mintstarr 16:36, February 6, 2011 (UTC)m y t h o u g h t s. 23:31, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Mintstarr (Talk Mintstarr 16:36, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

A little less orange, and a tad more brown, but other then that, tou have the right idea. :) 16:41, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded-  Mintstarr (Talk) Mintstarr 19:29, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

The Ear-Pink I personally think looks to red. Try to brighten it and make it more pinkish.♥♥♥Valentine♥♥♥ 19:49, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Enlarge the highlights and blur them. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 02:23, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm having trouble uploading the new image. I'll upload it, change it to full size, and the I get a screen telling me a photo with the same name (old one) already exists. When I click, "overwrite the existing photo with yours," the old one shows up again instead of the new one. Help please. Mintstarr (Talk) Mintstarr 18:29, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry. It almost always takes forever for the photo to update itself. Right now it's a pretty brown color, but just lighten it a tad. You're almost there. :) 01:21, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I lightened it a tad.<span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  03:24, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights more. 22:11, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- <span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  17:18, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thats better...the highlighting on the back and paws could probably be just a little bit lighter 23:32, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yes,I agree with Mistystar. The paws and back could use a little more highlighting 23:54, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink so it's color doesn't blend with the pelt so much, and blur the shading. 01:15, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- should be fixed<span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  16:10, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

You need to name the image 'Tawnypelt . warrior . alt' 16:14, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the chest highlight and add some highlights to the front legs. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:54, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Better? I'm seeing the original picture so it might be loading?<span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  00:42, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 18:17, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- could someone tell me how to tell if the shading, highlights, and earpink need to be blurred (any image, not being specific)<span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  00:06, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mostly it's if your shading or highlights or earpink looks really obvious, if you know what I mean? The shading/earpink/highlights need to look soft, like they were created by the sun, not by your computer =) Like if there are straight lines or if it just all around looks like you USED a pixellated brush to make the highlights/shading/earpink? I don't really know how to explain it. Hope I helped... --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:19, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur or lighten where the highlights meet the shading by the chest a tad. 00:11, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- it'll be up in a second I'm experimenting<span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  00:29, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Good! Blur the hi-lites.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  00:50, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

And the shading. And fix it so the earpink is not touching the lineart. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:17, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Should be better <span style="color:red;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:khaki;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  Don't startle that Witch!  00:54, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, I realized this photo has gone a day without comments, so should it of been approved? <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  01:05, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

No, a lead must say CBA? for it to be in the twenty-four hour stage. Make the earpink more noticeable and make the shading more consistent. 99.58.17.98 21:01, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

More consistent?<span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  22:00, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I think s/he means that it's darker in some places, and lighter in others, so even it out. Blur the shading, add neck shading, and blur the highligts, too. Also, this is a very fluorescent shade of ginger, for a pale ginger cat. Lighten her. 05:21, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, is this an alt for her being described as tawny coloured? Tawny is light brown, not ginger! 05:23, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shoulder highlight.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  04:30, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Would someone mind fixing the shading so it could be more consistent as that contributor said? I'm not sure I could. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  21:20, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Fixed everything but the consistency, which I'll need help with. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  01:55, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten and define the ear pink, blur the highlights-- Night  shine  05:14, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  23:50, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink more, desturate it, blur the highlights-- Night  shine  02:24, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

You might want to blur the shading a bit too. River pelt StarClan's Chosen One XD 15:30, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- should be better. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  00:32, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe give her amber eyes since she was described with those too. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:18, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights. Otherwise, looks pretty :) 23:29, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- someone is doing Oakheart as a tawny alternate farther down this page and the pelt colors of my charart and their's don't look the same. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  14:51, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and highlights, define the ear pink Night  shine  23:27, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by define? (This is Mintstarr, but I'm in a hurry so I can't log in.) 75.91.245.189 13:53, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

She means to make the ear pink stand out more, so that it doesn't clash with the pelt color. All you have to do is just make the ear pink either lighter or darker, you might want to make it lighter. River pelt StarClan's Chosen One XD 20:13, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- When will this just get approved :(? <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  21:21, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Mintstarr, some chararts are up for months. You just need to be patient :P. Lighten the earpink and blur the shading. 00:06, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe make this less orange? It's supposed to be tawny.

Reuploaded- the shading doesn't look right to me but I'm not sure why. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  22:27, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I fixed it up a little. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  22:34, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blurr the highlights on the hauch and shoulder Feathermoon 23:32, March 7, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Add highlights to her left front leg, blur the shading around the haunch, and make the ear pink more triangular, it looks ovalish. 22:18, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- should be better. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINpan style="color:orange;"&gt;I was a child, always with something to prove. A chip on my shoulder. 23:23, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not being rude, but really wondering, and my patience is starting to go away, how is this supposed to be approved if Nightshine is the only lead on? <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  22:57, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can approve other images easily, but for my own images another lead has to say it's ready. As for this image, lighten the ear pink so it's easier to see and smudge/blur the highlights-- Night  shine  23:07, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Some images have red areas showing what needs to be fixed. If the shading or highlights need to be blurred, could someone show me one of those? <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  02:28, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

The blue areas are where shading still needs to be blurred a little, and the red is where I had concerns with the highlights. The tail, face, and hind paw highlights are brighter then the others, and I was wondering: Why are there highlights on the back paws, and not the front? Hope this [VERY] sloppy guide helps. :) 03:13, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Center and make the ear pink more red. 01:17, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Sorry it took so long. Anyways, fixed everything that should be fixed. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  19:37, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

If the shading/highlights need to be blurred more, a user who uses GIMP needs to do it because I use Pixlr and that's about as much as I can blur it. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  17:42, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? Darkhallows... Mew? 21:21, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Try and make the earpink more noticeable. Maybe try darkening it? And maybe try making the shading more consistent because the shading by the midsection is a lot darker than the rest of the shading.

Reuploaded- Someone wanna help me with the consistency? <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  22:44, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh sorry that was me. XD 23:03, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help with the shading, and I'll also fix the ear pink since it's too dark-- Night  shine  23:04, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I did what I could Night  shine  23:14, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, repeating CBA. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:50, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Nightshine! <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  16:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I still can't really see the earpink, try and use a darker red-pink color. 01:46, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  01:55, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ear pink on cats this color are next to impossible. I'd just leave it, because it will always be too pale, or too bright. Darkhallows... Mew? 07:55, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Tigerheart (Alt. W) - For Approval
Comments? Concerns? I hope I posted it right! 01:27, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why the file is named mail, but change it to Tigerheart.warrior.alt.png. Make it look like a warrior version of his alternate apprentice image-- Night  shine  01:31, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, it's named mail because I emailed it to Splashpelt. As for the image, make it more brown and darken the ear pink. :3 01:33, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Far from good. I still have to fix the outline and get rid of that mysterious shading coming from it. Just letting you know I'm still here. I made it more like his apprentice version. More golden. 00:32, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Now he looks way too neon. Copy his colors from his other alt. chararts and match the stripe pattern. Blur the ear-pink and lighten it. Darken the shading and add a highlight to his shoulder, face, and brighten the one on his tail. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 00:50, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Umm... Less green. 18:49, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It should be more yellow/golden than yellow green. ✳ M  is  ty  st  ar   ✳   <font color="#9920F5" style="background:white;">Trust the fire within...  

'''Re-uploaded. '''You are so right. Way too yellow! Stripes = Fail. I copied the colors 23:20, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Better:) Make the stripes a bit neater ( no offense! ), and make the ear pink a little more triangular.  ✳  M  is  ty  st  ar   ✳   <font color="#9920F5" style="background:white;">Trust the fire within...  

Can you give him a pupil, too? 01:23, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Add eye color and the ear pink seems too bright. You really need to make it, well, more golden. The stripes look kind of odd as well, I suggest you redo them. 20:37, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, add the pupil. Make the stripes like the ones on his alt. apprentice. 21:31, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''You're so right, the stripes... Are these better? :D 02:14, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Maybe add one more to the base of the tail, make the ear pink paler, and blur the stripes some more. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 02:16, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can you add some more stripes to his legs, one on his head, and one on the spot where his tail meets his body? [Well, really, his butt. :P] It also looks like he's missing some eye lineart, and the lineart's blurred on his back, front [his left] left leg, chest fur, and his tail. [It's either blurred or it's all weird/ slightly fuzzy.] 04:21, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make his stripes narrower, blurred, maybe add a few more, lighten the ear pink a little, blur it...and thats it, I think :D 22:43, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

This looks great Splashy :D! Just blur the stripes, and add a face hi-lite.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  03:53, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah you can look on one of the tutorials for the eye lineart. Also, you don't need to keep reuploading the file as a new one every time; remember to click "upload a new version of this file" on the file details page. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 05:08, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. 22:38, February 18, 2011 (UTC)'''

Blur shading, stripes, and highlights. Fix the eye pixel; you'll have to tweak the lineart. Use a pencil on the one-pixel size with a hard edge and follow ^ this picture ^ Add a few more smaller stripes and change the largest back stripe so that it's not almost-touching that chest stripe. Much better =) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:26, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Still working on that eye! *groan.* I will do it right next time. 00:03, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripe on his chest thinner and curl all of them a bit to look a bit like this --->

which is Tigerheart's regular warrior charart. Try to match the stripe pattern. Make the ear pink a bit more pink, right now it looks kinda orangey and give him a torn ear. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 01:07, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Splashpelt doesn't have to match his original charart's stripes. This is an alternate; you can do whatever you want. Blur the stripes a bit more. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 04:29, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job! Blur the stripes, and make them a bit thinner, they're sorta blocky.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  00:28, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''How about this stripe pattern? 02:15, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Looks better! Tone down the earpink color, though. 02:22, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

OH! I just realized I forgot the torn ear! 02:23, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and fix the eye lineart!! =) Darken the shading as well. --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 03:44, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really sorry I haven't had a post in a day or so! I will have it done by this evening, my computer is having some problems! 22:18, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'll fix the ear, don't worry:) 00:56, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Some of the stripes are overlapping onto the lineart.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  03:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The eye pixel should be more noticeable. Look at some other approved chararts to see what it should look like-- Night  shine  05:28, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The line-art is a little blurred on the front foot closest to us. -Sunheart- 07:44, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Kay, I'm practicing my eye lineart...sorry for the big delay! I'll have it up tomorrow! 02:03, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Why can't I do eyes? 02:28, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the stripes more. It looks a bit messed up. 02:36, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink paler, it looks too neon. Darken the shading, and try to match the stripe pattern in his alt. apprentice charart. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 01:23, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and fix the eyes! If you need help, I will assist =P --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 20:01, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Ok, Had to let you know I'm still here. I know the stripes are blotchy but some people say follow his alt. apprentice stripes and others say warrior stripes. What one? And Wildheart, I left the eyes blank because I need a little tutorial or something. The apprentice tutorials didn't help! 21:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

It's not too hard. Just take the pencil tool, set it to a one-pixel brush, and modify the lineart. The blank linearts you download on the mainpage have a weird eye lineart. You have to draw over the lineart. Best thing to do to ensure accuracy is to download that picture I posted ^above^ and open it in your editing program in another window. Then open up Tigerheart's image and zoom in on the eye. Adjust the screen so that both the windows are open beside each other and then you can see when you make a mistake. Hope I helped. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 21:20, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and you don't need to reupload a new file every time you make a change. Just click the little button that says "upload a new version of this file" or something like that. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 22:43, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Follow his alt. apprentice stripes. It makes the most sense since they're both alts. 02:52, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

First: blur the stripes more add the eye color and the pupil, second, match the tabby ones to the ones on his warrior image, thrid, add shading, fourth, blur the earpink Maplepool 00:53, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the eye color. 11:06, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

thanks Wildheart, that helped. Haven't been able to go on sorry. I PROMISE i'll have it up by tomorrow. But one question- Do i copy his stripes from his warrior or alt apprentice? Both are very different stripes. Some say apprentice and some say warrior. Which one? (so sorry I haven't been on, very sorry) 02:28, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Alt. apprentice. This is a golden-colored alt., that was a golden-colored alt., it just makes sense to me. :) 03:42, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

May I take over? It hasn't really been worked on.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  15:57, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

I thought you were working on Pinestar. May I take over when 7 days is up? --  Moon  leaf  18:21, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I see the others that have been on here for months, mine will never be that good. I'm not ready for this yet, Since I cannot even do eyes. Anyone can take over now. 21:11, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Aw Splashy. XD I can take over... 21:16, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

D: --   Moon  leaf  21:36, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I asked first... --  Moon  leaf  21:37, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

-cries- --   Moon  leaf  21:45, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Fine you can have it. :P 22:04, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. --  Moon  leaf  22:08, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I re-did it. --  Moon  leaf  22:12, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! Make the stripes on the haunches more triangular like his apprentice alt. 22:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I will do that, but I named the file wrong -facepalm- --   Moon  leaf  22:17, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Its okay, I did that on mine at first XD Also, make the ear pink more visible. 22:19, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'll get to the earpink. --  Moon  leaf  22:23, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Better! The haunch stripes could be more triangular, and one of them is really dark and should be blurred :) 22:25, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Let me get on track, Mistystar. =) --   Moon  leaf  22:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded The changes won't show. It'll be fine --   Moon  leaf  22:32, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Add hilights; it might just not be showing though... 22:01, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

There are highlights. --  Moon  leaf  01:07, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes and ear pink Night  shine  23:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes' shapes vary on the tail. 01:15, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 01:43, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Brook (alt.W) ~ For Approval


Brook, as described on page 216 of Sunset. Comments? 23:39, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes, make the ear pink less purply, and make sure that the shading and highlights are on the stripes. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 00:09, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes, and the earpink is kind of crooked. And the stripes look like they're overlapping onto the lineart.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  00:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Definatly blur the stripes, darken the shading a tad, shrink the earpink so it's not hanging out of the ear, and make it a more natural, darker color. Also, fix the lineart, because the stripes are covering the lineart, and there's some weird white stripes on her tail-tip. 00:32, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded 17:33, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Can a cat be gray and have brown stripes? Also, center the ear pink. 23:47, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, it does seem weird. I checked again, and it said gray-brown. so should it be gray and brown, or solid colored? 23:52, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes still need blurring...  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  04:57, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

But if it says gray-brown, would it mean gray-brown as a solid color, or mixed colors/tabby? 17:09, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. (blurred stripes) 18:19, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Great job! But I do think that the color is a solid gray-brown instead of tabby. 01:41, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Shrink the earpink a tad, darken it a little, (So it isn't such an un-natural color) and I agree with Nightflower. 02:43, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I didn't change the color though; I think it looks fine as a tabby, but if more people think it should be solid colored, I'll change it. 19:21, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not officially a member yet, but I couldn't help commenting. Is it just me, or is the eye plain white? I thought that was a bit odd... Paleclaw 02:01, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I checked Brook's page and her alternate description was 'gray-brown', not gray and brown tabby striped. Also, the ear pink is a bit. . . ummm. . .lumpy looking and it's very purple-ish. I can see that her eye isn't plain white, but it is a very light shade of gray so darken it. The lineart is also smeared where some of the stripes are. Considering all that you have to change, removing the stripes, changing her eye colour. . . I would suggest just redoing it. 05:12, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll re do it. I did gray and brown instead of gray-brown, because I didn't think there would actually be a gray brown color, since they are so diffferent, but I'll try. 16:44, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Comments? 17:03, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are looking a little blotchy. Smooth them, and lighten the face highlight to match the shoulder and haunch.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">Epic Fail  03:29, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Make this a little more brown-ish. The ear pink should be a more red colour, the line art is blurred in a few areas and it looks thin on the chest.-- Night  shine  05:27, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is too triangular. Blur it please >:D 15:41, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't look like the right earpink color. Blur highlights. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:turquoise;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:yellow;">MINTSTARR  You have a sailor's mouth!  21:26, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Move the earpink to the middle of the ear. 02:38, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Re-Uploaded. Comments? 23:08, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink still needs to be more red. Echostar229 04:57, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Move the earpink a little bit upper. 11:24, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink is centered already, but I'll change the color more redder. 22:57, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Comments? 23:28, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the earpink some. There's something wrong with the lineart on the bottom of the chest and on the front left leg (her left) --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 05:06, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Really? Oh, I never noticed. I'll fix it later :D 22:44, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

It just looks dark grey now, make it more brown. 02:50, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I'll change that now. 22:46, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. Comments? '''Sorry for being impatient, but I think thats good enough and doesn't need more fixing, but thats just my opinion... 22:59, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

The line art is thin in many places, I can fix it if you'd like. Move the ear pink up and desaturate it. Darken the shading and make this a little more brownish-- Night  shine  00:07, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Can you do it for me, please? 00:15, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded okay. You just need to darken the shading, make the ear pink more reddish, and move the ear pink up-- Night  shine  00:21, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I'll do that right away! 00:25, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Is it good enough now? 00:32, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink more, darken the shading around the midriff, the neck, and base of the tail-- Night  shine  00:40, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''Better? 00:48, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay now there is just a really dark brown side and a gray side. Give the charart a more life-like look by making the shading thinner around the muscles, or something like that. The shading should go around the areas that stick out more-- Night  shine  00:59, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I darken the shading around the muscles? I'll try that. 01:02, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. What do you think? 01:07, March 5, 2011 (

UTC)

Lighten the whole thing, lighten the highlights, make it more bdfrownish-- Night  shine  01:13, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Please, is it good enough? I might not be able to come on next week, so I hope it gets approved soon. XD 01:15, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the highlights a bit and blur them, make the ear pink more reddish and blur that too-- Night  shine  23:24, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. 00:41, March 6, 2011 (UTC)'''

The pelt looks blotchy, blur the pelt. Feathermoon 00:53, March 6, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Yes, the pelt does look a little blotchy. As Feathermoon said,blur it more. 02:12, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

No need to repeat it twice XD RE-Uploaded. 02:55, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur it some more. Make the shading look more like the image that Nightshine posted. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:21, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I tried, but if someone could help me it would be nice :D 75.6.240.3 21:36, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help!! (Wildheart who is on a school computer XD)

Reuploaded I changed the shading according to Nighshine's picture. If you don't like it, feel free to revert the edit XD Also, you had some blurred lineart in the ear that I fixed. Unfortunately, I had to change the earpink to do so. Hope it looks good. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 01:58, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this image a very dark-gray, not grey-brown? Can you make it lighter? 02:03, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

It looks gray-brown to me... but this is up to Mistystar. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 02:34, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree, this looks very gray now. Make it a lot more brown -- Night  shine  02:53, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Would you suggest something like this colour, Nightshine? --> --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:23, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that one looks good-- Night  shine  05:32, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Give her amber eyes, since she was described with those too, move the highlight up a tad higher on her forehead, and make the ear pink a tad smaller. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 03:39, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

This is really nice! --  Moon  leaf  23:43, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thx. Sorry I've been really inactive lately; but I'm back from my camping trip!!! I'll reupload it! 23:56, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I'm pretty sure its good enough, comments? 00:07, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken or blur the highlights.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:47, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thicken the haunch shading-- Night  shine  17:58, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

She has been described with amber eyes, says so in the trivia, so make that the eye color. It's an idea. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  20:06, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes are amber. I'll re-upload it now. 21:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

RE-Uploaded. Good enough now? 21:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's looks a bit like gray. Would this color work? -->2. or something like this: 1. Feathermoon 23:30, March 14, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Its supposed to be gray-brown. Since she is brown, it makes sense to look a bit gray. XD Anyway, is everything else good? 21:49, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and the shading/highlights seem a bit blotchy. 01:27, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. But seriously, after that, I think there's nothing else wrong with it. 20:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well then. Re-Uploaded. Is it ready now? 20:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a little more and make the hioghlights bigger. Move the shoulder highlight up too. 21:01, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. 21:01, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Now? 21:07, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

You might have to re-do this. The haunch highlight is very blotchy. --  Moon  leaf  01:23, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. huh, could someone help me fix it? I fail at hauch hilights. 01:35, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I can... but I might have to re-do all of the shading in order for it not to get all messed up. 01:40, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. that's fine. 209.188.162.10 19:29, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I did the shading like this because the other way like you had before wasn't turning out too good... but you can always change the shading if you want. :P 21:48, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Its great! Thanks, Rainy! 22:00, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Okay now it looks like half of it is brown and the other is gray. Add more dimension to this, make the ear pink smalled and desturate it -- Night  shine  00:48, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 00:16, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Highlight the tail. 00:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

The tail doesn't need hilights. ~ Mistystar who's not logged in

Yellowfang (Alt. R) - For Approval
This was fun ^_^ Comments? 05:52, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nice work! Darken the shading, define the scars, and maybe add some more back to her left ear. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 05:56, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I forgot the nose color. *head desk* 06:36, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's showing the changes. 06:48, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I got it. 06:55, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Define the scars some more. Could you add the reference on her page? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 07:13, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

This is excellent, Nighty! Make the scars more prominent.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:36, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Defined the scars. Wildheart: The reference is on her page already. 20:32, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Add another** reference to her page. It says she is mentioned several times as gray, and she has a warrior charart as well as a rogue... so... (Wildheart who is too lazy to log in)

Done. 23:22, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

The nose should be grey not pink. 06:02, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

There's still only one reference... --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:09, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Someone removed it saying, "We only need one citiation." So I don't know if I should re-add it. 22:06, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I think you should re add it -- Night  shine  23:04, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Done, and I'm not sure if the nose should be gray or pink. For example, Dovepaw, Hollykit and Willowpelt have pink noses. 00:35, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Add highlights to the fronts of the legs.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

The nose should be gray since most gray cats have gray noses-- Night  shine  18:39, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 22:49, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - But it's not showing the changes yet, so comment when you see a gray nose :P 04:17, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

The nose looks gray to me. Maybe it takes a moment or two for the changes to show up. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:14, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Why is some of the shading darker than the rest? 98.22.152.78 23:47, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Some changes are deeper or need more shading. Make the earpink less smudgy, otherwise, it looks pretty good. 01:17, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shoulder highlight. Great job Nighty!  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:43, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Rain that Rattles on Stones (Alt. E)~ For Approval
Comments? 01:53, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Amazing! But make the pink ear all the same color and I belive there is a line of somesort in the middle of the tail. Feathermoon 01:55, March 12, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Blur the shading on the forehead and near the base of the tail, and maybe add some white around his muzzle to show his age? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 01:58, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

This is soooooo good! Blur the ear pink a little more and re-blur the shading near his haunches, tail, and face.Cardinalfire1234 02:05, March 12, 2011 (UTC)Cardinalfire1234]

Re-uploaded- I tried giving him a lighter muzzle, but it only made it look like the face highlight was to bright. 02:24, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Blur back and neck shading.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:35, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Rename this Rain.elder.alt.png --   Moon  leaf  16:58, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- Everythings as blurred as it's going to get. 20:22, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more triangular-- Night  shine  23:12, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 00:12, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

CBA? Darkhallows... Mew? 21:41, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I hate to interrupt CBA... but you still didn't rename it Rain.elder.alt.png. --  Moon  leaf  22:45, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the image page, you can see that it been requested to be renamed already. So can my CBA continue because there wasn't acctually an issue? 00:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Can you just upload another image with the file name Rain.elder.alt.png? Night shine  00:45, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

RE-uploaded- 03:19, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the haunch highlight. Is that the right earpink color? just wondering. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  22:46, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me; repeating 24 hours-- Night  shine  23:00, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is unevenly blurred. At the top, it's more blurred. 05:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur highlights or darken them.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:38, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ice (Lo) - For Approval
Ice's loner version. Comments? - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 18:33, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink, so it doesn't blend in with the pelt as much. This looks great! :) 19:02, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Aw thanks :) - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 19:15, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and maybe give him a blood clan collar. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 20:00, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can you also give him amber eyes, like on his rogue image? 04:00, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darkened the shading, attempted to blurr the shading adn highlights, and lightened the ear pink. Added collar, though it isn' t ver good :| - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 14:40, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Move the highlights up on to the middle of his shoulder and hip, blur the shading a bit more, and make the teeth on the collar more noticeable, it looks like the collar is more jeweled rather than has teeth coming out of it. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 15:45, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

The collar looks a bit flat. Make the shading more noticeable there. :] 17:37, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Can you rename it Ice.loner.png? And there is some blurred lineart on the right-back leg, near the tail. 20:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

In his Rogue charart he has a blue collar, not a red one, so you should probably change the color. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 02:06, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded *sigh* not much better, but I added more highlights, blurred, changed collar color adn fixed the teeth, ext. - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 19:48, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit. Darkhallows... Mew? 21:41, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Dry making the ear a little more reddish-pinkish instead of pinkish Feathermoon 01:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Brighten the highlights. 01:00, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the earpink. 98.22.152.78 23:39, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Since he's in bloodclan, i belive he needs dog teeth reinforced in his claws. Right? 00:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Good point, Feathermoon. And blur the shading a little more.  <font color="#A1C2E3">Mistfire <font color="#A1C2E3">Spring rainfalls  17:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Birchfall (Alt. W) - For Approval
Before any of you say something about blurring the shading/highlights, I just want to say I've blurred it as much as Pixlr has allowed me. Someone want to help? 01:07, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'll blur it in GIMP. 01:31, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! 01:56, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Amke the ear pink more triangular, blur it, and make it more red. 02:26, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I blurred the shading for you, but I don't think I did it enough though :P 06:02, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the ear-pink more noticeable. 17:37, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Some of the highlights have to be blurred more as well. Also there is some blurred lineart on his front left paw and back left leg. The eye color looks like a brown, maybe make it more amber. 20:05, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I darkened the shading, re-did the earpink, and triple-checked for blurred lineart. I found nothing. Besides, I took the eye color from the regular Birchfall. I also blurred the shading as much as it'll blur. Will someone heelp me a teensy-bit more? 03:40, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Could you fix the earpink? 12:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink as well to make it more noticable. (Phew, glad I'm not the only one who uses Pixlr on everything!) 21:16, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Add some shading ot the chest and maybe add highlights (If they are already there brighten them :3). 01:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I didn't add too much shading to his chest, 'cause the light is kinda coming, like, directly in front of there. I also fixed the earpink, and blurred everything to the max. Can someone help me some more? 03:04, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'll blur it some more if you want :) 03:42, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, please! 03:45, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- It helped some. Could use a bit more... 04:04, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-re-uploaded- Sorry did the wrong one the first time X /. 04:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

lol....anyway, thanks Iceheart! 00:17, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink either brighter or darker, whichever makes it look more noticeable. 01:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I darkened it. :S 03:32, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink bigger and scoot it farther up the ear a little. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:03, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 02:53, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Snake (Lo) - For Approval
I'm not sure if he would get a collar or not, What do you think? ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 03:33, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Great! Just lighten the Highlights and darken the shading. Feathermoon 03:44, March 13, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Yes I believe he should get a collar. Make the ear pink more reddish-- Night  shine  06:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they need collars. Use Bone and Scourge's images to help, I found them sueful when dooing Ice's collar. - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 14:43, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Collar fail. XP

Maybe put some shading under the collar. 20:46, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I just realized ICE was the one who had a blue collar. Snake has a red one. I added some shading under the collar like Riverpelt said.

Thicken the shading or add highlights. The midsection just looks... emptyish. Darkhallows... Mew? 21:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the end of the tail. Not a highlight, but just not in shadow. 01:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I won't be able to work on this for a fewdays. My computer's been acting wacky and my brother can't fix it for a few more days. I'll work on this as soon as it's fixed though. Sorry. D: ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 06:21, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur shading and highlights.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:07, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Pinestar (alt. L) - For Approval
He was described as tawny in Bluestar's Prophecy. Comments/criticsm?  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  18:03, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink and darken the shading. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 18:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the tail, fix that please. :3 19:11, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the earpink....it looks kinda weird. 11:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

It should be a bit more orange-y. There's some blurred lineart on the front right leg also. 192.203.211.254 17:33, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! Make the earpink less purply and more red-pink. 22:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, do you have a ref for that? There's nothing on his page. 03:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I tried posting this thre times but my computer got screwed up -.- theres a tad of white on the tail you forgot to color in, and the highlights could be blurred a tad. - Ginger  tail <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script>The Luck Of The Irish... <font color="#28AE7B" face="Segoe Script> 20:30, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

The ear pink should fill the whole ear. 01:28, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't really have to. Looks fine! --  Moon  leaf  02:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does have to, thats how the line art was designed. 03:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

If you want to know what tawny should look like, look at my alternate for Tawnypelt on this page. I think there is some blurred lineart on the haunch. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:18, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think this color for tawny looks fine. 20:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Same here. On the tail, there's a white pixel in the lineart. Can you fill that in? Echostar229 01:27, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

There's also blurred lineart on the tail. It may have some one of the forelegs but I'm not too positive on that. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:07, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

'Reuploaded. '' <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, make this more gingery (it's too brown right now) and lighten the ear pink. Also make the ear pink fill the whole ear. -- Night  shine  18:49, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Desaturate the earpink a little and blur the tail shading. 01:37, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:12, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The white pixel on the tail still isn't filled in, so fill that in please. Also, the earpink isn't filling the whole ear still and brighten the highlights more. 17:18, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze (K)- For Approval
Here she is..... Comments? Echostar229 03:37, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the ear pink darker/more dull. 03:39, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any silver parts, maybe add some streaks or patches? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 03:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC) scratch that. Darken the whole thing a tad. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:48, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Echostar229 01:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:19, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Echostar, you can only have one image up for approval. As of now, you have two; Oakheart and Willowbreeze. I don't know what happens next, another user probably know though. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well she stopped working on it I think. Echostar, I suggest you put withdrawn by user on Oakheart's image, or we can see if it'll just be declined because the image may not be needed. Oh and brighten the highlights a tad on the image. :3 20:12, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I did put the words 'Withdrawn' on it, and the image has been removed from the page. I had stopped working on him about a week ago, in case no one noticed my lack of updating him, me starting a new image, and the big words in the title. Oh, and, reuploaded. Echostar229 01:25, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well you never actually specified that you had withdrawn it. So please do so in the future. Add tail shading, add shading to the fore arms, add shading under the chin Night  shine  01:29, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Weird, 'cause it said 'Withdrawn' next to it on my computer before it was archived. The light's coming from the left [her right] so I don't think she would have chin shading. There's also shading on her arms and tail. Echostar229 01:38, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I was the one that put withdrawn there. There should be shading under the chin since all other kit chararts have that and it makes it look less flat. Darken the shading on the forearms/tail Night  shine  23:00, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Whatever. Reuploaded. Echostar229 00:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:57, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink. 01:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think the shading's gotten worse...... :S Echostar229 03:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:52, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze (A) ~ For Approval
I know that it doesn't really match Echostar's but I'm still playing around with different patterns, until I see Night Shine's. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:01, March 16, 2011 (UTC) Scratch that, I'm gonna redo it, I saw her description as "Silver and gray she-cat". <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:03, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Redone. Comments for improvement? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:22, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the ear pink less purple. 04:24, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the whole thing, it's too light right now-- Night  shine  04:30, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darken shading on far forearm, add shading under chin and to space in front of forearm on chest. Add/darken the ear pink Night  shine  04:53, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 20:00, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 20:13, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 21:18, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink a bit Night  shine  00:44, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 02:13, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, it looks kind of flat-- Night  shine  22:59, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Add highlights to the fronts of the legs  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  21:15, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 21:49, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, the shading is just a bit lumpy/rough/uneven. Blur it all a bit. 01:34, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 02:07, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten/blur neck shading  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:52, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze (W) - For Approval
Comments? Night shine  04:30, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. Darken the ear-pink and make it a bit paler (it looks kinda coralish), blur the highlights on the shoulder and flank, and maybe lighten it all a bit? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:31, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, should I darken the ear pink or make it more pale? Night shine  04:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that was kinda vague. darken it a tad. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:36, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded lightened it a bit, darkened ear pink Night  shine  04:53, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading around the neck and shoulder areas. Feathermoon 22:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Hm, the shading there looks fine on my computer. Night shine  00:43, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

The shading does look like it needs to blurred around the neck and shoulder. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:08, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I darkened the shading because it looked to light for me, and I also blurred it-- Night  shine  22:58, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it seems that there's a dark spot on her one paw. Back paw on her haunch. It seems like it shouldn't be there. Should it? Other than that, she looks really good, Nightshine. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 01:09, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Lightn the shading and blur the highlights.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  17:35, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading near the middle of her stomach a bit more. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 21:52, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Very pretty, however, the shading on the tail looks off. The light source is coming from the front, but there is shading on the bottom of the tail and highlights on the top. You should have shading around the edges with highlights in the middle. Also, blur the shading a bit. Other than that, it looks amazing. 01:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on the back legs is uneven. The very right of the back leg is lighter, it's normal colour, however, shouldn't it be darker? Unless I'm seeing it wrong. :3 Lovely charart. 01:37, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Toadstep (A) - For Approval
It makes sense for him to have one as characters like Jingo and Owlwhisker have images (kittypet and kit) for ranks they were never actually seen in. We know that Toadstep and Rosepetal were apprentices (mentioned as new warriors), so I think that they should be able to have apprentice images if other cats can have images of this like. Just a short explanation for people who don't get why I made this. :P Constructments? 03:05, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Glad to see you back, Mrs. Moose :) Darken the shading. Looks good. 03:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I can't darken the shading. I already have the shading layer on 100% opacity. I did a bit on the legs, though, because I saw a place without shading. 03:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be black and white? I think you should go over the shading again because i cant see any what so ever. And i saw what you said about this being available for approval, but he was never acctually seen as an apprentice, and just because others have unneccassary pictures doesnt mean we should make more. This might be declined. 04:18, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this is black and white; looks like it to me. Also, Runningwind got an apprentice image, and he was never seen as an apprentice. Leafstar's mom got a queen image, etc. 04:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart. . . just because the cat wasn't seen in the rank, doesn't mean they weren't in it. I don't see what's unnecessary about these. And honestly, you must be blind to not see shading on this! There isn't much but I'm working on adding more, so calm down. And this is black and white. What the heck are you seeing? 04:52, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

He should get an apprentice image, but he was never seen as an apprentice. I'm sure we've had a discussion about this before. Night shine  06:56, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so it stays? The 'but' in that statement sort of confused me. xD 07:52, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Well if this stays... add/brighten the highlights on the tail. :3 14:26, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

You did an excellent job Mossy! Blur where the black meets the white.  <font color="#93DBAA">Mistfire <font color="#93DBAA">1000 Edits!  16:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

No, he shouldn't get an apprentice charart. Neither should Rosepetal. Night shine  17:25, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't make sense unless we're also removing a whole lot of chararts that were already done, like Jingo's kittypet image, Owlwhisker's kit image. . . from what I knew, we did do images of ranks cats were just mentioned in. . . there are lots on the wiki. 18:20, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

For Jingo, he said he was a kittypet. Toadstep never was seen as an apprentice, he wasn't mentioned either. At the Gathering, it just said that he was a new warrior. 18:23, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Frostheart, his mentor was mentioned. And there's a source. Welcomed as a new warrior, mentored by a warrior in ThunderClan. . . 18:29, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Rosepetal (A)~ Declined
Okay, since it wassaid above that Toadstep and Rosepetal could have Apprentice chararts, and my last one was approved, I'm making rosepetals Apprentice charart. Here she is:

I tried my best, but I think my main coat color was too dark so the highlights didnt work proppererly. Comments? Critisism? 16:55, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Sorry but I already had this reserved before you so this will probably get declined. 17:04, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, My mistake, Rainy. Thats fine :) 17:29, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I Discarded this 17:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I don't think they should get apprentice images. Declining. And for future reference, Feathermoon, it's withdraw, not discard. ^^ 17:34, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

. . . what? I even talked to you about it on IRC and told you why it was acceptable, and you agreed to leave the image up. Sorry, but now I'm just confused. 18:17, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. 18:21, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Guidelines - New?
Hey leads! Look here! =) I was just wondering if we could put a new guideline into action. I've been noticing several users who've been uploading a new file every time they want to tweak their charart, simply because they don't know any better. I was hoping that we could put something in the guidelines about uploading a new version of the same file? It'd help clear up the file clutter and to avoid confusion about which image is which. Comments? --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:05, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wildheart, that is an amazing suggestion. I have this sort of problem with my Project, Imagine, on another wiki. It does take up a lot of space on the wiki. There are people, however, that do not know that this is possible. It would be a really good idea to consider. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 00:32, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There have also been a lot of user who've been uploading unnecessary alt.s for manga appearances and alt.s where there isn't really a difference (i.e. sandstorm's orange alt.). Maybe a chart that deems differences that don't require alts.? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 00:40, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. . . but it's always noobs who do that, and only because they don't know any better. . . please don't try and tell me you actually read all the guidelines and whatnot when you were new? I didn't even know where they were :P So I don't know how we could make a rule against that. . . 70.64.149.241 01:56, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think the thing about uploading sounds good. As for the thing about alts that cant be approved, the main thing is that they take up so much space, so why cant we have another section like Disscusion and Chararts for Approval, and call it Alternates? People could add it to the trivia, reserve it, and then ask if the difference is big enough, and a lead (only leads, not to be rude but we wouldnt need everyones two cents) could say weather it is good or not. It would still take up space but not as much as a heading and a picture would everytime. Just a thought. 02:43, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like that! That would definitely help avoid confusion and would cut down on the amount of unnecessary chararts that people upload only to have their hopes crushed. Good idea. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:50, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

What do the leads think? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:51, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea. I really want to be able to talk to Oblivion or Frostheart about adding this to the guidelines, but I haven't seen them in a while Night  shine  00:37, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen any of the leads recently...where are they? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:38, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, neither have I. I'll just add it to the guidelines now.-- Night  shine  23:17, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

OKay, this is a comment. If the leads aren't active for a piece of time then I think y'all should assign a new one. I know they've been on but not editing...and that's bad. ☘Saint <font color="Lime">Ice☘ 23:44, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Bramble has emailed me a few times about that, so we're working it out-- Night  shine  23:55, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

On who gets to be the new lead or why the old leads bailed? 00:05, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just about how there are hardly any chararts left to do and about the inactive leads-- Night  shine  00:09, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying guys! So busy D:. Honestly I think we need to do something about the lead situation, Nightshine seems to be doing everything (and a great job, too). Perhaps we should replace some senior warriors? Or close the project to new members? I dunno... Darkhallows... Mew? 20:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree, we should change up the senior warriors. Once I get a reply back from Bramble I'll ask her about it-- Night  shine  23:21, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

There might be more charart when Sign of the moon comes out" and if things go as the erin's say it will, Ivypaw and Dovepaw will be warriors, and Brook will have kits, and who knows. Mabye cherrykti and moleit will be apprentices. Feathermoon 23:31, March 15, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Yeah, I agree. But the erins said Dovepaw and Ivypaw might become warriors, so that isn't completely definite. 23:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Even then, that will only sovle the problem for a couple of months. Maybe we should make it so that new members cant post any pictures for like the first month. It might decrease the number of people who join but never acctually contribute. And switching up the SWs sounds like a great plan. 00:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Would switching up SWs mean adding new SWs or decreasing the SWs? Feathermoon 00:22, March 16, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Both, you can nominate warriors to become senior warriors here Night  shine  00:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

But how are they supposed to pass with the majority of the leadds MIA? 00:58, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we really need leads to approve it. I'm pretty sure they just need to fit the requirments and get a certain percentage of 'yes' votes. Darkhallows... Mew? 02:20, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I like the idea of barring new users from adding a charart for their first month, so we might only get members who are really set on being a good member of the project, but something else that occurred to me is that Sign of the Moon comes out in about a month, so we might get a lot of arguments over chararts (I'm starting to doubt how many new apprentices actually read the guidelines carefully.) Maybe my idea is that we close the project to new users for a few weeks and brush up the guidelines and think of ways to re-enforce them. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 03:10, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a great plan Scarletwind. And i was just wondering, but are we going to do the Alternate-if-neccassary section i suggested above? 03:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Now wait. I'm a new member of the project, so, does that mean I have to withdrawl my charart? Or is it just from here on out? I also think that switching everything around sounds like an excellent idea. We could use another lead, and I've noticed Nightshine taking care of a lot of the problems and such that we've had. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. I think that if we put that rule into action, it'll only apply to new users and not ones already in the project, that wouldn't be fair. 68.255.102.128 17:26, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. I got logged out. I was also thinking that a user has to be a member to post chararts, I think I remember something in the guidelines that a user doesn't have to be a member to post a charart. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 17:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that, too. It does say that, but, I don't know that anyone really reads the guidelines... I did just for a refresher. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

What if we had some sort of test to join? Like you have to prove you read the guidelines? Darkhallows... Mew? 04:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so... I think we'd run out of questions to ask and the user could just skim through the guidelines, copy the answer and then they'd pass. But that's just my opinion, what about others? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

What if we had a check-in every few months? Users would have 2 or 3 weeks to just post their signature on a check-in page to prove that they're still active in this project? Night Shine could post something like 'spring check-in' on the news page and the users who are actually active would just place their signatures on the page, unless they've told us otherwise on the talk page that they're going somewhere. Anyone who doesn't post in the check-in would be made an elder, and if a user misses three check-ins, they're removed from the project. Thoughts? I just thought that it could be a way to figure out who's active, who's not, and who actually cares about the projects. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Scarletwind, I think that's brilliant. I also think users should join before posting, that way more members can get chararts approved. I'm not entirely agreeing with the month of being barred. New users would think they would be cheated on because they would have to wait a month to do anything. Maybe if they can comment on chararts being approved it wouldn't be so bad. And on alternates, we should do that. It would avoid confusion and so much space wouldn't be wasted on petty alternates, like dark gray instead of light gray, brown tabby instead of brown. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that we should ban new members from commenting on chararts already up for approval, by commenting, they'd be able to see how the project works before they do anything major, sorta like a kit before they become an apprentice. (Maybe I'm suggesting we put in a kit rank for brand new users who haven't been a part of the project for a month). We could have a big, red banner in the guidelines that states that a new user cannot put a charart up for approval within the first month of being a member. So a join request could look a bit like this: "I'd like to join the project" "First read the guidelines" "I've read the guidelines" "You'd still like to join even though new users cannot have a charart up for approval within their first month of joining?" "yes" "welcome to the project". Thoughts? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 14:48, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Mintstarr. I also think that some of the newer members may think that they're being cheated. Maybe they should wait two weeks instead of a month, but, they should also participate in critiquing the other images. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 14:53, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's first idea too. I also agree that they shouldn't be banned from posting comments on images, just from posting chararts until they've understood the way the project works. I don't know about the kit rank because we already have tons of apprentices, although a kit rank may split it up a little. The checking-in idea sounds good too, because it seems a few of the apprentices that have joined go inactive soon after they joined. 20:22, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I never suggested that they be banned from commenting. That would be unreasonalbe, why ever join the project? They just shouldn't be allowed to post/reserve images. The kit rank sounds like a wonderful idea, very warrior ceative ;). 03:10, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze
Hey! Redpaw here. Do you think I could do the Willowbreeze Queen??? I'm gonna need help with shading though, I stink at that...Honeyfern 17:18, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Once Crockedstar's promise comes out, feel free to.

We haven't seen her as a queen so she can't have a queen image-- Night  shine  23:00, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, in Crookedstar's Promise she might be seen as one, but we don't know yet, so... 23:02, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

How do I make the charart things? Flowertail 01:37, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

KK that's totally fine with me. Besides...it needed a ton of work haha. :P (least i take this stuff well lol)Honeyfern 12:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

hi guys

wow havent been on wikia in forever..sorry if this is in the wrong spot cuz they changed the whole look since i've been here...haha

but anyways...i saw i was on the elder list, and i ask to be removed from the project currently right now. i have WAYY too much school work to contribute to the project, and i might pop in and out to say hi if i get the chance...but otherwise...let warriors wiki blossom!!! miss you all....i've made many good friends from charart...but otherwise..thank you...and goodbye

love, tawny (not signed in...i forgot my password xD)

Complaints

 * Okay, seriously? I am here to complain. I was checking in on WWiki, and Oblivion and Frostheart are never active. I respect both of them but really, what is a project without a leader and deputy? None of them are active, only on other sites. This is falling apart. I honestly think the new leader should be Nightshine. No one else.


 * Second, when did you get so many apprentices? Honestly, I think you're going to have to rid some of them who aren't active and make most of them warriors whom actually edited to the project.


 * So all my complaints. Chocolate  Frost  21:56, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but I'll tell you anyway; Bramble has emailed me about changing the leadership for PCA and I'm awaiting another reply from her. I agree that Oblivion and Frostheart are inactive and that there are many apprentices. I'll go through them again to see if any should be made elders. -- Night  shine  22:52, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm, PCA isn't the only one suffering. Project:Books is as well. Whitestorm is nowhere to be found, and there hasn't been a lot of activity there... I've noticed that there are a lot of apprentices joining and then doing nothing as well. We were just discussing this, actually. From what I've been told, Oblivion has other interesting and hobbies now. Helix told me, and look on my talk page if you don't believe me. I guess there are people talking to Bramble about switching everything up a bit. It's good to see you editing again, btw. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 02:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nightshine would be an excellent leader... I've always thought she should be the first choice. I agree, something needs to be done. Nightshine, I hope Bramble emails you back soon. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if Frostheart has been inactive because she has been on the IRC. She had said before that the wiki wasn't loading for her, but it just had started working a few days ago. I don't know if it stopped working again, but I'll ask her when she comes on. 14:02, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I know Frostheart was on IRC alot, and I use to see her edits alot, but I'm not sure where she went. But as for Oblivion, I hope she's back soon. And I know people are starting to want Night Shine as the PCA leader, But I know Frostheart should be leader if Oblivion isnt around, but since they both arnt around, why dont we arrange temporrary Leader and Deputy? If that goes up, I too would vote Night shine as leader. 17:42, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I think the temporary leader and deputy thing is a good idea. It'll give Oblivion and Frostheart a chance to come back. I say that Night shine be leader and Darkhallows be deputy. And we do have a lot of apprentices, and I'm sure about half of them are inactive. I think, I don't pay much attention to is and isn't active. (This is Mintstarr)98.22.152.78 23:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Darkhallows. Exacily what i was thinking! 23:55, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Im sorry but i disagree. If we replace the leads, it should be perminant. I respect Oblivion and Frostheart, but they shouldnt be leads if they are just going to up and leave without any notice or warning. And if nightshine was made leader, isnt it her call who is made deputy?(No offense Darkhallows). 00:28, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, that's not what i meant, i too respect Oblivion anf Frostheart, but they are the leads. and they are not here to, well...Lead. So thats why I brought up the idea of Temporarry Leads. And Night Shine is already basically doing all the CBA's along with help from Darkhallows. And I would suggest keep being "temporarry" until Frostheart and oblivion come back, So we are not excluding them form there job. It's just a simple and good way to stop PCA from suffering. We need all the help we can get, runnning the Project with allt he apprentices comming up with ideas, the warriors making great art, and the Sr.Warriors doing multi things, this is a big project to take care of and well, I voted Night Shine to be temp leader because she does so much for the project, keeping it running, updating news, adding new members, and well, because she's my Role model. Sorry if i'm getting off topic, but there are alot of reasons, not just one, why i suggested to do this, not just because i wanted Oblivion to stop being leader, opr Frostheart to stop being deputy, Because that is not in any way what i thought because they are doing an awesaome job, but they arn't around, zo we need peopel to look afetr the project. This might be a long and usless message, but hey, i'm just trying to prove a point I think would be helpful. So, sorry. 00:55, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Featehrmono

Hey. Sorry I've been inactive. I'm trying to get on more often, but if I could sort out some of my computer problems, I'd be more than happy to give Nightshine a temporary deputy (or leader if Oblivion doesn't come back soon) position. Like a month or however long it takes for my computer to be fixed. 01:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to add this. Oblivion was at Cuba with her family for a vacation, and her internet has been slow, too. 01:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

That doesnt change the fact that both of you bailed without telling the project why we were left to flounder without any top leads. Just seems irresponsible to me. And i've heard many times that oblivion has left to persue other hobbies. I'm thinking whatver we do should happen soon, the projects falling apart without any proper heirachy. 04:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Not completly, Iceheart. Oblivion posted on her Deviantart journal why she wasn't active. 04:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

And I couldn't go on because my internet was being mean. It wouldn't let me edit. So I COULDN'T edit much. And I posted on my user page why, which I took down. Also said it on my dA Journal. :3 And I'm sorry if you think it's irresponsible, but nothing can change that now. And you're wrong about the Oblivion pursuing other hobbies, just telling ya. :3 She has been busy with exams, her computer has been slow, and she's been on a vacation with her family. How is this project falling apart? It seems fine while we were away. Sorry if it wasn't, but at least I'm TRYING to go on (other computers and my iPod, sometimes my computer). It seems to work out fine at this moment. Sorry Iceheart if this message seems inwardly mean, just saying..stuff. XD 04:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, so you're saying it's her fault her internet wouldn't let her on the wiki? I can't say much for Oblivion, but that makes no sense, for Frostheart. . . 05:01, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Did i once say it was her fault her internet broke? I mean you could have posted a quick message on the project page. Sure you guys did it on your da accounts, but what about us without acounts? do we just not get to know? But Frosthearts right about whats done is done, but that doesnt change that we need active leads. I said that the projects falling apart because we're all coming up with new guidelines and rules, but the leads havent put amy into affect or ever acknowlegded them. And im sorry if i sound mean but im frustrated that nothings going on with are plans. 05:21, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

And I quote, "And I posted on my user page why, which I took down. Also said it on my dA Journal. :3" So it was on her page. I haven't heard a thing from Oblivion, however, I kinda think we should just make Frostheart leader, to be honest, though. . . but I responded to what you said because you kinda freaked out, in saying she bailed, calling her irresponsible and saying she left the project to flounder. So you kinda did imply that ot was her fault her internet broke. :3 05:26, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not freaking out, but i guess your entitled to your interpretation dovesong. But i honestly think we should make Nightshine leader, if she wants to, at least until Frosthearts internet is working. You havent been around much either dovesong, so you might not be aware of how much Nightshine has been doing. Wildheart (who is in Maui but has been texting me) suggested that when Frostheart can start editing properly again we could have a vote on who should stay leader, like responsibel people. She just wanted me to share that. 06:05, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think leads (all leads) should have stricter rules then regular users. No edits for a month without notice? Then they are replaced. I know it would help keep me active xD. The project needs an active leader, becuase, although we are running out of characters, the series is far from over. There will be... what is it? At least 13 more books out? At least. We still have a few years, even if things slow wayyyyy down. Darkhallows... Mew? 07:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, I KNOW Nightshine has been doing a lot. I'm just saying it's not necessarily their fault that they haven't been active. Can't always be helped. And honestly, what on Earth. . ? Iceheart, when Frostheart can get back to editing properly, and Oblivion comes back, the positions stay. If Oblivion leaves (I have a feeling she's on the brink of doing so), Frostheart becomes leader. She has computer issues, and suddenly she's irresponsible and we need to vote on a new lead? 08:50, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've even said before when this conversation first started that Frostheart was having computer problems, but I guess no one really saw that. :P 14:23, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I have nothing against Oblivion, Frostheart, or any other person on this wiki - I consider them great friends and great persons - but I stand by those who say that a lead should inform the project members about an absence, and possibly find someone who watches over the project until they return. And by "informing", I mean a post on the project page (or at least messaging the other leads), instead of a mention in a deviantart journal or whatever. It takes no more than 20 seconds to do it, and is a basic courtesy towards wiki members. This was not a problem in the past - users like Sandy or Insane always posted messages and appointed temporary leads when they could not be online each day (because exams, a short holiday, etc). A leadership position is not a merit but a responsibility that someone undertakes, and should act accordingly. Regards, 14:54, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, I am sorry that I didn't inform you. I wanted to, but it was hard. I fixed my computer (for now). turns out there was a bunch of viruses. :3 What I did was a mistake, but it won't happen again, I assure you. Do you guys forgive me? 17:08, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I forgive you Frostheart. ;D I don't think we need any temporary leads right now. Maybe we should wait a while and see if Oblivion returns and if not, Frostheart can become leader and so on. 17:45, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think Frostheart is forgiven by everyone. It wasn't her fault her internet broke down, life happens. But as for Oblivion, I'm not sure. Some say she has other hobbies while others say she's on vacation in Cuba. So I think we should just wait a little while for Oblivion to turn up, and if she doesn't, we can handle it from there. Those are just my thoughts. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:blue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  18:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Alternates for Manga
I'm sure most of us know that we don't do alternates for manga deprictions... I just have to wonder, why? We do characters only seen in manga, yes? Manga are considered cannon as well. They are a ligit part of the series, even if they were not written by the Erins. Darkhallows... Mew? 05:07, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

One of the leads decided that they shouldnt, and there was that big discusssion about it. But I disagree. If alternates from manga dont count, how does any description count from a manga? I always thought that was wierd. 05:14, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember a disscussion? I must have missed it. I just don't think we should do manga exclusive characters, but not alternates. Perhaps we should open the disscussion back up? Darkhallows... Mew? 08:06, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you guys. I think the characters that are seen with different descriptions should get alternates. But not if it's just a slight alteration. Night shine  18:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

The only annoying part is that the manga is in black and white, besides for the covers, it'd be hard to decipher the differences. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 18:46, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

That is true, but if you look at some of them, Russetfur for example, there is a noticable differance. Darkhallows... Mew? 19:17, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe we should only have them if it goes from whatever to black/white. Not gray, because they all turn gray... Just a thought. 19:48, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there should be pictures for any of them. The mangas were written by different people, and I'm sure the authors used artistic leave for the descriptions. . . 05:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I'm sure the Erins looked and approved at the cover before the book was published. 09:45, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Join?
Hi...can i join? Shadowstar2 14:38, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. Be sure to read the basic guidelines before reserving a charart Night  shine  22:16, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Should there be...
I was browsing around the wikia when I noticed that there are quite a few StarClan cats. Should there be StarClan cat blanks? Like, with starry fur and paws and whatnot? It would only be used if the cat had appeared in StarClan in the books, not if they are just an assumed StarClan members. I'm not completly sure about it. 19:06, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think we agreed not to do those because a cat stays a warrior/apprentice/leader even after it dies. Darkhallows... Mew? 19:13, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I agree with Darkhallows. It would be a very big change for such a minor issue. It would mean a great deal of change that us unessasary. 22:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Can I join PCA?
Um....

I applied before but I never got an answer. D:

So, can I join PCA? Dustleaf 22:12, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

You're already a member. I must have archived the section before you got to read it, sorry Night  shine  22:15, March 19, 2011 (UTC)