Talk:Bramblestar/Archive 2

Current

 * All of NP needs to be expanded.
 * Fading Echoes needs to be expanded. I know he only appeared once, but that appearance could be expanded.
 * Provide an accurate description.
 * He has green eyes on the cover of Midnight. I don't know how to do it. 67.180.19.149 16:16, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Sandstar He is said to have amber eyes a zillion times, the artists make mistakes a lot. Aspenheart 02:20, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't anyone realize the Brambleclaw and Squirrelpaw had kits? Where are they?184.57.136.213 12:02, January 15, 2012 (UTC) Violetwing

Old
Two of the trivia contradict each other- Vicky says Bramblestar will never forgive Squirrelflight, but then in another fact it says they make up after the last hope. Which is right? RaVeNfAnG 00:13, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Firestar's Quest information is needed Eu ( Talk! Contribs ) 23:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Extensive Style-editing is needed Eu ( Talk! Contribs ) 23:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Family, Mentor, and Apprentice needs to be cited.
 * Moonrise section could use some more information. Expanded to include Feathertail's death --Sandy Salamandastron )> 18:48, 15 August 2008 Brambleclaw's apprentice is Berrypaw
 * Article desperately needs the excess links removed. You only need to link to a page once on one page! - I've removed all excess links I could find --Sandy Leader's Den 19:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Dark River, Eclipse, and Sunrise sections need to be expanded . Shadowshine 00:47, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dark River, Fading Echoes, and espicially Moonrise need to be expanded.
 * Needs Citations in Trivia section for Erin Hunter chat about him not becoming leader. It has been removed until someone can find it. I looked everywhere and I couldn't find it. We'll just have to wait until Night Whispers comes out. 18:41, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs some more quotes. I think he has enough… 21:07, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Please answer
I am also posting this on Swiftpaw's page

In A Dangerous Path after Swiftpaw dies, it is revealed that Swiftpaw was Brambleclaw's and Tawnypelt's half brother. I actually found this in thh book, not on the internet. I am trying to work on a new family tree for Swiftpaw, can someone tell me who swiftpaw's parents were, and give me proof from the books. Thanks much appreciated - Aurorablaze

Swiftpaw's mother is Goldenflower, is father is unknown.--Dragonfrost 15:11, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Please answer
I am also posting this on Swiftpaw's page

In A Dangerous Path after Swiftpaw dies, it is revealed that Swiftpaw was Brambleclaw's and Tawnypelt's half brother. I actually found this in the book, not on the internet. I am trying to work on a new family tree for Swiftpaw, can someone tell me who swiftpaw's parents were, and give me proof from the books. Thanks much appreciated - Aurorablaze

'''Swiftpaw's parents were Willowpelt and Patchpelt. Check for yourself on the warrior's website (the family trees). =^-^= 9:31 a.m 5 - 9 - 10'''

That is incorrect. Swiftpaw's mother is Goldenflower. The father is unknown. The warrior website family trees are so incorrect, we don't even bother listening to them any more. Nightfern 14:40, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

you know what page it was on? Brambleclaw14 Talk 04:39, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

yep page 225 it quotes: "Swiftpaw's mother, Goldenflower, sat next to him, while Bramblekit and Tawnykit, Swiftpaw's half-brother and half-sister, looked on with wide scared eyes".

I am also trying to find out who Swiftpaw's father was.

And also whenever i try to modify a family tree, it doesn't work.

you are a IP right? Brambleclaw14 Talk 15:21, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

We don't know Swiftpaw's father's name. He might be a white cat, as Swiftpaw is white. -- Jay feather 15:47, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

He might be. Swiftpaw is actually black and white but we cannot make any assumptions or guesses as to who his father may be due to pelt colour as the Erins have admitted themselves they do not pay attention to genetics. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:13, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

ahh...sorry Aurorablaze did not see your sign :/. Brambleclaw14 Talk 07:19, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think Patchpelt might be Swiftpaw's father, but u guys r right, we should not assume based on pelt. But I need some help deciding something, ton make this tree accurate, we need to add Firestar, Sandstorm, Leafpool and Crofeather to the members becuz he is Squirrelflights mate and she has a sister and her sister had a mate. Skystar (Skyfeather) hasn't gotten back to me yet about it. me Eualia got into a fight about it and i brought it up with her to see who dhe agrees with.--Hawkstar of Thunderclan 10:59, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hawkstar, that would make sense if they were human, but for cats they don't have in-law relationships, since they can have many mates and don't take it as seriously as us (i.e., sometimes even if two cats have kits they aren't very close to each other) so we generally don't post those in-law family members. It would also make the pages much more long and confusing, so... yeah. ♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock!

Then should we just do it by mate?--Hawkstar of Thunderclan 16:09, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

I thought that Graystripe was related to Swiftpaw?

On the website the family tree says that Graystripe and Swiftpaw are littermates, but this is not neccesarily true because the website tree has much false info. Auroraen 06:32, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Patchpelt can't be his father. Patchpelt was an elder when he was born. Plus Willowpelt was having kits with Whitestorm during that time. ☺ ❊ ♎ Shadewing ♘ ♫ ♞ 15:51, April 25, 2011 (UTC)Shadewing

Picture
Needs kit and apprentice picture --Aurorablaze 00:40, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Pictures are done by Project:Charart, and they will be done eventually. There's no use in posting this on the talk page. Insane Can't Wait!!  02:57, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

ewww!!
EWWWW!!! Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight are blood related!! Sandstorm's the kit of Redtail and Redtail is the younger brother of Leopardfoot, Tigerstar's mother!! THat's just gross!! -Moonshadow1013 23:04, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Guys, they're cats. And it's hard to find to cats that aren't related somehow in thunderclan. And stop blaming the erins. They have to keep track of 100 different cats and how they're related to everyone.

OMGOMGOMG I HAD NO IDEA!!! That is really pathetic.--74.107.120.99 17:00, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I wish the Erins had thought that through. But Whitewing and Birchfall are second cousins, that's weird too. Don't get me wrong, I love them! But still--Nightfall101 23:11, November 20, 2009 (UTC) AND Ashfur is squirrelflights uncle ( sandstorms siblings r ashfur and ferncloud) GROSS!

Acually, it never says wether Brindleface is her mother or not--Nightfall101 00:34, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Really, I'm pretty sure that Firestar is related to nearly every cat in Thunderclan. So that would make just about everyone blood relatives. It's really long and complicated, but on the family trees at [http://www.warriorcats.comand www.warriorcats.com]and] using some of the cats from Bluestar's Prophecy, you can trace relations to Spottedleaf, Bluestar,Graystripe, I'm pretty sure Mousefur and Longtail, and multiple cats in other clans.

I'm just wondering: what does this have to do with Brambleclaw's user discussion? yah...-- MossScrooge Bahumbug! 23:25, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

The trees on Warriorcats.com won't right, Mosspath do you meen what does this have to do with Brambleclaw14's user discussion? Brambleclaw14 Talk 09:02, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

What, Firestar? He has no ancestors in ThunderClan, only kits, grandkits, nephews, great neices and such.--Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 09:12, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I think this is turning into forum-type discussion, because it's more of a debate than talk about the page now. If you want to continue it you can, just do it on the forums or talk pages, please. Insane Batteries not Included 16:02, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

OMG! I cant belive that Squirrelflight is related to both Ashfur and Brambleclaw. That is like so gross

Please stop adding random chatter to the talk pages, this belongs on a forum. insan TA STE  THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  16:05, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

ok listen just so there's no more ughs and ewwws and yucks, there is nothing against the warrior code that says your mate can't be your relative, the cats really don't care so long as they love each other, like whitewing and birchfall, and also since when does it matter if there related or not, their customs are different than human ones so just stop with the ewwws216.248.89.31 06:11, March 6, 2011 (UTC) Silverthistle

Its veryy distant and they dont have there own kits and almost all the mates are related some how. - Shadowshine

animals inbreed all the time


 * Let me explain something - If you're dog (or cat, horse, goat, etc) is a purebred anything, it's "inbred". One of the qualifications to be a breed is to come from common ancestry. It's just about how far you go back. The clans have rules about only breeding to other ThunderClanners. They're basically a breed. And to all be ThunderClanners, the majority of them (excluding the occasional "outcross" like Firestar) they have to stem from the same source stock. Also talk pages are not for random conversation. Consider this the end of this conversation and take your immature "ewwws" and "yucks" to the Off-wiki Forum, thank you. 13:37, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Erins don't pay attention to that stuff. Squirrelflight is Ashfur's niece. I read somewhere that a cat mated with his sister.

Sagepelt 15:38, February 19, 2012 (UTC)Sagepelt<3

It said Brindleface was her mother in Bluestar's Prophecy. what are his nine lives--98.92.155.247 19:34, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Brambleclaw-dead?
How is Brambleclaw not going to be leader after Firestar? the erins alreay said they favourised him. Clarrissa My Talk Page 09:14, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

I know it's been confirmed somewhere but I don't have the link off the top of my head. Bramble will apparenty not suceed Firestar. ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  09:17, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'd really kind of like it better if Graystripe became leader next. I love Brambleclaw, but I'm really mad at him for dumping Squirrelflight xP And I just think Graystripe was sort of destined to be leader of ThunderClan. Whitestorm did request to Firestar that he make him deputy right before he died.-- Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 09:27, January 31, 2010 (UTC) So true! I think that when Graystripe got back, with Millie, he should have been made deputy again. GO GRAYSTRIPE!74.107.120.99 16:46, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

She deserved it. I feel bad for her and all, but think about it. -Mudstone

No, Graystripe's too old. It'll probably be Lionblaze (sigh). I hope it's Cinderheart, though. ALL HAIL CINDERSTAR! <font color="#696969">Grizabella: <font color="#dc143c">The Glamor Cat  01:44, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

This is turning into a forum type discussion. Please take this discussion to talk pages or the Proboards forums.Җ Ѭ ѳ ѥ  ѯ 08:16, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

It says in the Night Whispers discussion page that Brambleclaw will be ambushed by a group of rouges, his eyes will be clawed out, and he will bleed to death. D*: Jayfeatherslover55 02:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)Jayfeatherslover55

WHAT?! In what book?

This disscusion is not on a comfirmed topic. I understand everyone here loves Graystripe (sigh, no one can take changes can they :(?). But unless we can confirm that Graystripe or someone else takes over, (you can't trust forums) we must assume Brambleclaw takes over, he's still alive. P.S.: Brambleclaw RULES :). brightfur (Questions or comments) 20:44, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Graystripe will be ancient by then, and if Cinderheart, Lionblaze, or Dovepaw become leader, I'll... I'll.. die. I HATE THEM TOO MUCH!

Take it to the forums please 71.238.216.204 00:50, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

This conversation is old and archived. Please do not comment any more.

Squirrelflight
In some way,Brambleclaw is related to Squirrelflight. Can someone add her on his relations page? Clara My Talk Page 14:36, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, we need citation to add it in. Do you have any?-- Moonflight Come The Dark Side. We Have Catnip... 23:19, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any chance that Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw might be mates again173.35.87.133 00:07, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, his dad's uncle was Squirrelflight's grandfather. Oh, and anon user, that's foum-type, if you want, post it on a forum. Clar ris  sa! :)  17:59, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Guys, what's a forum? I sound really stupid, don't I? Jayfeatherslover55 02:46, June 15, 2010 (UTC)Jayfeatherslover55

The real Bramblepaw
At the beginning of A Dangerous Path, there is a dedication saying To the real Bramblepaw. Anyone knows what does this refer to (e.g. was it mentioned in a chat, facebook page etc)? <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 08:21, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Brambleclaw's appearance was based off of one of Cherith's cats, Bramble, I believe. Let me see if I can find a link. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 08:47, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

"Mistyleaf: Cherith do you have any cats? CherithBaldry: Yes, I have two cats, Brambleclaw and Sorreltail. You know what they look like if you have read the books!" There we go. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 08:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks! Adding it to the Trivia section. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 06:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good Job! 15:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good Job! 15:56, October 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Cherith has the real Brambleclaw and Sorreltail.Ashfang 00:42, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have figured out...
Okay I have figured out that as far as this... Now its officail that Brindelface is Sandstorms mother...

Pinestar+Leapordfoot=Tigerstar Redtail+Brindelface=Sandstorm Shadowshine 00:56, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Tigerstar+Goldenflower=Brambleclaw Firestar+Sandstorm=Squirrelflight So if they are related then they are very distant cusins.

Yes, we have established this, but it has nothing to do with improving the article. Please take it to the forums. Oblivion Got it memorized?  02:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

LionClan (Modern)
Should it not say in the section for past residents that he was part of moder LionClan. It says so for Brackenfur, Firestar, Mistyfoot... So why not him?

It just hasn't been added yet. Please add it on to any character article that was a part of LionClan (Modern). 11:55, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Night Whispers
There is nothing under Night Whispers yet. Is anyone going to add that? I suppose I could, but I don't think I could make it flow together like the other users do ^^;

GMF160 Leaf-bare! 14:54, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

If you have the time to, by all means do it. :) 21:55, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Of course. Whitestorm is right. Other users can always edit it if it doesn't seem right. :) 21:58, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah although I think there is more than that about Brambleclaw in Night Whispers I think I'll add some stuff :)

Uncle
On his relations, it shows that Brambleclaw is Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf's cousins, yet their aunt, Squirrelflight, was formerly his mate so shouldn't he be listed as their uncle? Mintstarr (Talk)Mintstarr 23:49, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

does he still love squirrelflight because he didn't have any kits with her

Cats don't get married. Mating with one cat doesn't make him related to all of her relatives. 15:12, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fading Echoes
So, at the end of Fading Echoes, Thornclaw was the one who said: "The battle is won. The clearing is ours. Do you concede or shall we fight for it again?" But in Night Whispers Brambleclaw said it. Should being mistakenly mentioned as Thornclaw be added to the trivia? 23:30, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes so long as it has a citation. 23:32, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Brambleclaw could've given birth to the three!
The prophecy said:There will be three, kin of your kin,who hold the power of the stars in their paws.'' I mean, Squirrelflight might've mated with Brambleclaw, and it makes better sense than Leafpool! And it would be without the killing of Ashfur or the anger or any of that!

Leafpool and Crowfeather are the parents of the three, not Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight. Please take this kind of talk to the forums. 02:25, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight did have three kits, though I forget their warrior names. They have to be added!

No, Hollyleaf, Jayfeather, and Lionblaze are not their kits and they never fostered any more. Squirrelflight is unable to bear kits. 01:27, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry! I hadn't finished the book, so I didn't know yet! Example (talk) 19:10, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

If you don't know, don't go trying to correct our information. Thank you. 20:48, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler
The book is out in Canada now, and Brambleclaw does become leader. He makes Squirrelflight is his deputy. They really do get together again. 98.178.146.74 19:32, April 1, 2012 (UTC)Unregistered user

Please do not post spoilers, the book is not out for us readers in the U.S. Good thing Cloudy told me this earlier or I would have been mad finding out this way 02:26, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

BrambleSTAR?
The Last Hope is not out yet, and we don't KNOW that Brambleclaw will become leader. He might die too. His name is Brambleclaw.IloveDovepaw 00:18, April 3, 2012 (UTC)IloveDovepaw

No. The book was released...He becomes leader. 00:25, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Trust us, we know what we're doing dear. 00:28, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

If Brambleclaw becomes leader, doesn't that mean Firestar is dead? 184.57.136.213 00:37, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

He is very, very dead. 00:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

The Erins said he would die in the Last Hope so, yup, he's probably dead. 00:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

If he's dead, shouldn't he be in the Deceased category and listed as dead in all the family sections? 184.57.136.213 00:41, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

We're getting there..we've only had 43 minutes to start editing things. 00:43, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Edits don't just happen. Users make them. We're working on it. 00:43, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I know that now. I didn't see the comment above this one. I wish Dove was deputy though, and not Squirrelflight.IloveDovepaw 01:06, April 3, 2012 (UTC)IloveDovepaw

We get it hun, you love Dovewing. You don't need to assert that fact into every thread you're in. Please try to keep to relevant topics rather than starting a debate over who should have been deputy. This page is only for discussing improvments to the article, nothing else. 15:37, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

who the heck changed the page into bramblestar??
Seriously people the last hope isn't out yet!-❤A Jay and Halfmoon Supporter❤

The book came out today. He is leader of ThunderClan now. Please get your facts straight before complaining. 21:37, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Squirrelxbramble235 22:58, April 3, 2012 (UTC) Will you give me a link of the whole book The Last Hope? And if he's leader, shouldn't he have a leader picture?

There's no link to the whole book, however there is a link to the browse inside on the main pages. He will have a leader picture when it's approved in PCA. 23:06, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Please note that we here at Warriors Wiki do not condone piracy, let alone the illegal online publishing of the very series we are trying to promote. 14:03, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't he have a leader ceremony? 184.57.136.213 00:03, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't seen. He didn't narrate this book, there's no way we could have seen it. 00:06, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't the Erin's said that Brambleclaw wasn't going to be the next leader? Plume dorée 17:24, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

We know what we're doing. Thank you. 184.57.136.213 19:50, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

No. None of the Erins have ever stated that Brambleclaw was going to die, that he was going to be crippled, or that he was not going to be leader. Those were merely rumors started by fans. 21:21, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Midnight
They met Midnight the badger in the book Midnight, right? Well, it doesn't say anything about her, except they're questing to find her. We need to add more to that part! -Frogpath, April 9, 2012, 8:17

Don't complain about it. Fix it yourself. 13:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Leader?
I don't think he was offically a leader at the end of TLH, thye just called him Bramblestar. He never got his nine lives from StarClan. 02:36, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

He was. StarClan gave him their blessing and the Clan called his name, and he picked a deputy. He was leader. That's that.

And nine lives aren't a big requirement for leading a Clan. Just look at Nightstar. 16:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

He DID get nine lives, in The Ultimate Guide. SkyDawn1356 (talk) 16:42, March 12, 2014 (UTC)SkyDawn1356

love him
Bramblestar is my abosolute favorite but I'd relly like to read more about him maybe in the future--Savaughn08 21:31, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

(dear god I hope I get this right ouo) This talk page is for improvement of the article, not chit-chat. Please take that to the fourms. Spottedpool AutumnClan (talk) 02:29, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Forest Trainee
Bramblestar trained with Tigerstar in the Dark Forest, so shouldn't he be on the list for Dark Forest Trainees?125.239.24.8 21:34, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Another Wiki Contributor changed the pic of Bramblestar so I changed it back the pic they put was the AfterSunset pic of Leafpool and Crowfeather.68.187.137.96 00:02, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Scar on Shoulder?
I saw that Bramblestar has a scar on his shoulder on the wiki, but when I read the book at the page number it said that he had a shoulder scar, it didn't say anything about it. Maybe it should be sourced or deleted? Just wondering. Thistleflight (talk) 23:44, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Oh wait, wrong page number. xD Thistleflight (talk) 23:50, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
Can somebody fix bramblestar's page. Some "wikia contributer" messed it up. I don't know how or I would fix it myself. Thanks! (24.121.11.186 16:19, June 26, 2013 (UTC))

Tallstar's Quest?
Bramblestar is in Tallstar's Quest? Sorry, I haven't read the book yet. .:*Sil ver star*:.

The mini-graphic novel at the end of the book shows him with Firestar and Onewhisker. He's Brambleclaw, though, not Bramblestar.

Bramblestar Leader Charart
Will someone redo Bramblestar's leader image? If so, I want to make it please! &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Cherrycloud/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 23:30, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm already remaking the leader image. ^^;;
 * Oh, okay! And I forgot to notice that only warriors and above can do tweaking and redos. Silly me! ^^ &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Cherrycloud/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 23:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Bramblestar's Leader Charart
I just realized Bramblestar doesn't have the scar on his shoulder for his leader image. Can somebody tweak him? Plus, there's a bit of waste by the tip of his tail on his leader, also. 00:41, November 14, 2013 (UTC)