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Dappletail (Q) - Tweaked
OA is me. Tweaked to have white patches. Is there any chance I'd be allowed to tweak the pattern to match more (this is one of my first chararts, and I've been wanting to make it match better for ages), and redo the shading? And if so, does anyone have the file for the others they'd be willing to send me? Jayie Unwritten words~ 02:47, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I guess the pattern could be fixed up more. However, I think the shading looks fine 07:06, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

She's supposed to have white eye rings. 12:22, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the pattern and add white eye rings on the next update. The shading is really old and not well shaped (if that makes sense) and obscures too much of the pattern, and doesn't fit how I've come to improve in shading. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:59, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead and tweak her to match more and if you think you can make her look better, you're more than welcome to. 01:53, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine, but I agree about the pattern. 04:35, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 03:05, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Morningflower (E) - Redone
OA is Iceheart22. 04:54, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Her description says she's light, so the colors need to be changed. If you leave the black, either add more or define it, since it's sort of looking like just dark shading right now, now so much like a tortie.

I say we should keep the general style of the old image, just with less white. The pattern itself was fine, if a tad overblurred. Keep the colours and general pattern. Just remove some of the white and change it a bit to be less blurred/smudged 05:03 Fri Oct 23

While I liked the original pattern, it's within the artist's right to change the pattern on a full-set redo unless otherwise specified in the nomination. I'm happy either way, but just pointing that out.

define the shading everywhere, i cant see any of it. 05:23, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

so? We're already redoing a stupid amount of images for a reason that doesn't really matter. imo the original pattern was fine and the colours were what thy needed to be. Why not try to at least save the images we can as much as we can?? 05:28 Fri Oct 23

I'm not saying we shouldn't. Like I said, I like the original pattern. I was just giving a gentle remind that it's artist's choice in this case, so it shouldn't be forced or anything.

I've seen people being told in the past after posting that a pattern needs to match the old one and they had to. The same case should apply here. The pattern was perfectly fine. There's no point in totally changing all of these damn patterns. 07:41 Fri Oct 23

Re-uploaded jesus christ there you go >.> 11:30, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

The colours need to be lighter. Typically a light tortie has a light grey and ginger colouring. Not unlike the colours she already had. 11:38 Fri Oct 23

Re-uploaded I seriously get the fact you want me to completely match the other images. There's no need to keep hinting and repeating over and over again. 11:54, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

At this point, no, I'm saying she needs to be a light tortie. She isn't right now. She is a plain tortie. All I'm saying is that the former images colours were what a light tortie should be, so use them as a reference if you need to. 12:16 Fri Oct 23

Re-uploaded 13:47, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Turtle Tail (Star) - Redone
if I have to remove the white entirely, so be it. I ain't gonna care. I was just told it was fine before I posted it, so who knows?

i think it should be removed. if people are so against torties having white theyll redo perfectly fine images, then none should have any. 12:36, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think you should remove the white. This also goes for the kittypet. 13:16, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the right front leg? Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:42, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and chest? And honestly, this is not able to be considered excessive white for a tortoiseshell...it's actually a pretty normal amount that I have seen quite frequently, but Skt has a good point. Maybe just shrink it down a bit if you were already told that having the white was okay. 14:22, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

agreed with removing the white 14:28, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

its not really about genetics here; if people are gonna bitch about white on these and no other pelt type can have white then neither can these. people were so insistent on it so theres no picking and choosing in that case. 17:39, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I already figured I'd need to remove the white... I don't think multiple people needed to say it; one was more than enough.

As much as I’m loving this pattern, Turtle Tail and Sparrow Fur share the same markings. Since this is up anyway, can you try to match Sparrow Fur’s image? 00:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, no one told me that before they were nominated, and I already have all of six (ancient, rogue, kittypet, queen, star, and the early settler) of her images done. Given that Sparrow Fur only has one image (the kit) approved, it really would not be fair at all to force me to redo all six images. =/

You've already done all six? Alright then I'll nominate Sparrow Fur for redo. 03:39, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. This is getting extremely annoying.

Well, whoever wrote about Turtle Tail should get their facts straight. (Love you, Erins.) Define the shading on her back. 13:25, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Like the kittypet, the tail should probably have at least a little fluff on it since this is the longhair blank. Also, is there a reason it's so thin compared to the normal tail?

Paleh, it literally says "a short and stubby tail", so that's why it's so thin. But, okay. I'll fix it later, since people keep disregarding her description in order for more fluff. I still don't think I'd have had this problem if I used the short-haired blank...

Turtle Tail (KP) - Redone
same as the StarClan image.

Re-uploaded. Removed the white.

As much as I’m loving this pattern, Turtle Tail and Sparrow Fur share the same markings. Since this is up anyway, can you try to match Sparrow Fur’s image? 00:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

No. Jayce must be very very proud of this, I'd rather redo my Sparrow Fur rogue than have him redoing his. Just saying

Honestly, no one told me that before they were nominated, and I already have all of six (ancient, rogue, kittypet, queen, star, and the early settler) of her images done. Given that Sparrow Fur only has one image (the kit) approved, it really would not be fair at all to force me to redo all six images.

You've already done all six? Alright then I'll nominate Sparrow Fur for redo. 03:40, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

This might not be the place to point this out, but I just noticed that currently she has an "alternate" description of white with orange and black splotches. Torties come in various color combinations, but one of the most common is ginger and black. The description's just a more specific wording for tortie and white (similar to calling a brown tabby "brown with black stripes"). Her real description doesn't have anything that contradicts that right now, so really the alt should be added to her main description. While this would still need to be redone to match that alt description (though maybe not the queen, since that's already approved), the white markings don't actually need to be removed.

Re-uploaded. Matched the alt queen, but since I'm going to be tweaking that one anyways (when it's reuploaded to the normal queen; the tail needs to match the rest of them), I darkened the colors a bit.

The tail looks a little odd right now. I'm not sure if it's because it's curving, or because it doesn't have any fur (which it probably should since this is the longhair blank), or if it's just the kittypet blank in general. Maybe try to make it less curved and more furry and see how that looks?

it doesnt need to be fluffy. but maybe just slightly rounder. 19:33, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Olivenose (A) ~ Redone
OA was Leafstrikeasura, redone to remove the white 11:43, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

The pattern's not really matching the warrior's right now. It's hard to describe the exact steps you'd need to take to fix it. Would you like me to send you the file so you can get a better view at what the pattern looks like without shading?

Could you tell me if the pattern was blurred or smudged? 01:52, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Neither. It was simply drawn. Smudging would make it a bit too messy. Depending on what program you use, blurring might work if the brush engine isn't as good as photoshop's.

However the placement of the markings are also off, probably because the markings in the shadows are a bit hard to make out on the warrior. I'd highly reccomended taking a look at the warrior's file.

Re-uploaded I tried 03:06, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Add more markings to the paws, muzzle, and chest. Maybe define the markings a bit on the back and the haunch. Smudge the earpink on the closer ear, and maybe add some shading for depth as well. Also, to match the color of the markings on the warrior, you'll either need to use a highlight layer similar to the one in the file, or use a different color that's closer to what the warrior's looks like with the shading.

Just saying, but not everyone uses highlights, nor does anyone have to use them. 03:21, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Hence why I said they could also change the color of the markings. It's a color thing, not a lighting thing. The highlights just happened to be a big factor in the final color on the warrior, so taking the marking color on there and not putting highlights doesn't work, it'd need to be a different color.

Re-uploaded I tried 03:03, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Fircone (Star) - Tweaked
just removed the white 21:08, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading. 23:25, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is just a tweak. All she did was remove the white layer in the file. The shading on there now was already approved, there's no need for it to be changed.

Every single time there are images that are tweaked, they get other criticism that seemed to not have passed during their time. Look above. Rainlegs should not be an expection to this case. Whether an image was nominated for removing torn ears, someone can comment and tell them to fix something else. 00:03, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Ok I stand corrected on that matter. I hadn't realized that it's a normal thing these days to edit unrelated things while tweaking. As far as I remember, that wasn't usually accepted when I was active. I can't say I agree with it being done now, but my opinion on it isn't relevant if it's something accepted by the project. However, I do still disagree that the shading should be defined. It looks defined enough. Though maybe it could be thickened on the back just a tad?

I think it needs to be defined, I can hardly see it, even on my phone. 17:05, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

I agree it should be defined. 22:35, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Fircone (Ro) ~ Redone
Soo I lost the file for this. How the hell did I do the pattern before O_o OA was Rainlegs, Skt (I think?), and a redo by me. Redone because of the tortie vote. 18:11, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Do you want the file? Some of the colors look a bit too orange/yellow. 19:30, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, please. Although I think some of the problem is the highlights. 20:34, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Stonefur (Star) ~ Tweaked
OA is Atelda and with a tweak by Bbun. Tweaked to untear an ear. 00:29, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

"tweaked to untweak an ear" fave. Also excuse me for being nitpicky but on the ear you unteared there's like, a white mark in it? Can you fix that? If not that is cool. 01:28, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Oh that's an ear scar but I can remove it if you think it shouldn't be there. 05:08, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Morningflower (Q) ~ Redone
if beebs was here she'd do way better than me on her image ;;  02:44, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Add texture to her pale chest. 02:44, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded now i realized how hard it is to match Burnt's patterns 02:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Yellowfang (Lo) - Tweaked
OA was me, tweaked to make shading darker. I've gotten a lot better at shading during the time that I've been away, but give me your critiques if I've somehow overlooked something! 07:39, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Lichenfur (Lo) ~ Tweak Nomination
OA’s are Iceheart22 Stoneclaw33 and tweakers are Mount Everest and Ducksplash. Tweaked to remove underbite. 07:50, October 26, 2015 (UTC)