Warriors Wiki talk:Characters/Archive 31

New Rules.
Hello, fellow members of Project Characters. First, I want to thank you all for your increased activity in the past couple of months, and also apologize for my somewhat absence. But as you may have noticed, along with more members and more activity comes a much longer project talk page, with more sections that are lost in the shuffle or just abandoned. So, I've come up with a couple of new rules for the project that should hopefully help this page stay neater without disrupting the nomination process too much:


 * One user can only have two nominations up at one time. (this does not include those that are up for voting, just those that are being discussed here on the talk page) This may sound familiar to those of you who also work in PCA, but I think here it can also really help, because it will make it easier for a person to focus on those two nominations and see them through to voting rather than nominating more and forgetting about earlier ones.


 * Nominations older than one month will be archived! I'm sorry about this one, because I know sometimes it can take a while to get organized with others to work on a nomination, but there are several at the top of the page which have been continually discussed but not much work has been going on, and if they stay there for a long time that's just more length for this page. In rare cases there may be exceptions to this rule if people are still actively working and editing on that page and it is nearly ready, but in most cases, it will simply be archived, and the person who was working on it may re-nominate it later, but before renominating should fix any problems raised in the first nomination. This will save you time in the second nom and ensure that it goes to voting that time.


 * No more multiple cats to one nomination. At least for now. I know sometimes minor characters from the same story will have very similar pages, but having more than one cat in a nomination makes it just more difficult to check each page and easier to miss something. You can still nominate two similar cats at once, but keep in mind that those are your two nominations ;)


 * This one is more of just a guideline, but remember that this page is not the article's talk page - meaning, if you have a question about one specific article, please put it on that article's talk page rather than here, as that once again, just makes the page longer. If it's a question about several characters or all characters by all means put it here, but if it's just about one, then try not to post it here, please.

Alright, I hope these rules can help us stay more organized now. If you have any questions, suggestions, or problems with any of these rules don't hesitate to say it - I can be reasonable on occasion, and these rules may be subject to change. Unless we make changes to them, I'll start using them once everyone's had a chance to see. insane brick'd 13:58, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I had an idea that we can only have so many nominations up at a time, to keep it under, but if a user can only have a nomination up, I guess that makes my point pretty. . . pointless. W   a  t  e  r   bender MouseHRULES!   17:08, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

These are good rules. I think it will make the Project more organized. ♥Ice storm★  01:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

K, sounds reasonable to me :) Willow pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  01:00, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I think this will really help. I feel like my Half Moon nomination had been lost in a sea of other nominations xD Nice work on this Insane :) Night  Fall 21:57, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

It sounds pretty reasonable to me. I don't really agree with no multiple cats for one nomination, but Insane, you did say at least for now.... :-) Echo  star  Getting a tan 11:45, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Residence References
I was looking at some characters pages and saw that there had been many arguements over where a cat was (alive, StarClan, etc.) and I thought we could reference where a cat was so these arguments could be resolved. If a cat has been verified to be a StarClan member we could reference it, with when it was said that cat was in StarClan. It's just an idea of mine. I won't reference anything until we discuss it here. Thanks! Whitestorm17 15:00, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that these should be referenced. It's not like the living Clans where it is mentioned in every allegiances page etc. It should be referenced and I believe most references have already been found on the StarClan and Place of No Stars pages (I could be wrong). It would be a simple matter of making sure these were included in character articles also. -- Sandy star 15:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Sandy, should we start referencing the character pages? Whitestorm17 16:19, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea, Whitestorm; I've been wondering about that. We should probably make templates for the dead cats, like we have for the living ones. That way, we can put the reference on the template, so we wouldn't have to reference it every where that character is listed. But I'm not sure, would that work? Night Fall 19:45, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Nightfall :D! I think it would work better without a template but, that is just my opinion. Does anybody else have any ideas? Whitestorm17 22:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

A template is good. It's a lot less work than changing every page if their residence becomes known. (Well, we have to do that anyway, but only once.) -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 22:23, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

We could do a group reference, I think that would work better than a template. Some users don't know how to use templates. Whitestorm17 22:29, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * This may sound way too simple... but can we not just add a reference to the article on the charcat next to where it says their residence... why on earth do we need a template? Sorry if I'm being dense... -- Sandy star 22:43, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * We're talking about dead cats, Sandy. xD -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 22:47, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Um... yes, I'm well aware of that... ah forget it. Just ignore me at any rate. -- Sandy star 22:50, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I meant, I think we might as well just add a reference like Sandy said. It seems so much simpler. Shall we start referencing? Whitestorm17 23:38, July 21, 2010 (UTC)b


 * I assume she means to add a reference saying that they're in StarClan/The Dark Forest, since we already agreed not to actually put them there as a residence? -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 23:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, any other opinions before we start? Is everyone satisified with this? :) Whitestorm17 00:14, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You might want to check this by Insane and the project leads to make sure there is nothing they want to add first. -- Sandy star 00:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Is there a way to make it show up as a note, rather than a reference with a number? -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:28, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, we can wait for Insane or Gray to check this out. Goldenpaw, why do you want it to show up as a not instead of a reference, I don't see anything wrong with a reference. I was just wondering. Whitestorm17 00:32, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, reference would make it seem like someone was making a citation, while I note would show that it's not about their current affiliation. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:34, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it would be showing that it is about their current affiliation, just that they had been seen. Whitestorm17 00:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now I'm getting really confused on how we're going to set this up. xD -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:44, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lol, sorry if I am being confusing, it happens a lot. ;) What I think is we put a reference on each page in the family section by their current status (alive, StarClan or Dark Forest). Does that make sense? XD Whitestorm17 01:06, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be an overkill to use a template. We use them for living cats to avoid changing information about dozens of cats in hundreds of articles at the release of each book. Dead cats' "statuses" don't change that often. A simple reference is enough in my opinion.  Helix talk 11:22, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree with Helix, we could just use group references for the living cats, there is no need for a template. Whitestorm17 13:02, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I assume it would basically be:
 * And the like? -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 07:47, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * And the like? -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 07:47, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks to Wikipedia, I found out how to do what I was talking about with the notes. Click -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 08:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't see why we can't just make it a reference, instead of complicating it more. Whitestorm17 17:58, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how this is any more complicated than a reference. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 19:09, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Not more complicated to use, but most users on this wiki are already familiar with references. It just seems easier to stick to that. Whitestorm17 19:59, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it technically is a reference, only with a group rather than just a regular reference. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 20:27, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know, i'm not trying to be rude or bossy, but I don't see the point of changing too many things. It would work just as fine without changing it. Whitestorm17 00:15, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm just suggesting a neater way of doing it. It isn't a citation, so it shouldn't really be listed as one. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:48, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * You yourself, said a note was the same as a reference, and it it isn't saying that StarClan and The Place of No Stars are affiliations, if that's what you are worried about. ;)Whitestorm17 01:05, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Either way, it's what the Project Leaders decide. And no, I'm not worried about that. >> -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 01:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, we can wait for Insane to decide. Where is she? She hasn't been on in a few days. Whitestorm17 02:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you look at her page it says she is away on overnight camp. She'll get to this when she can. -- Sandy star 09:31, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry, I didn't realize that. =) Whitestorm17 12:59, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, sorry for missing all this, but I had a very eventful week full of being terrible at volleyball, Apache relay, and sleeping outside :P Anyways, I'm not sure I understand the proposal here: you want to place a citation after affiliation to explain their residence upon death? It seems to me that it would be much easier to add another line into the Charcat that says something like "residence" or "residence after death" (which would only appear if something was put in for it) and then put StarClan or Place of No Stars, with the regular kind of citation. That seems the simplest solution and would also end all the hooplah with people changing the affiliations to StarClan/Dark Forest. insane brick'd 14:18, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Insane, I meant in the family section by each cat it tells if they are alive, in StarClan, The Place of no Stars, or unknown. We could put a reference by each of those saying when they were seen there, mainly just if they are in StarClan or The Dark Forest, not in the charcat. Do you understand what I mean, not the charcat the family section. :) Whitestorm17 21:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno, Insane's idea makes more sense than anything we've suggested. xD -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 21:56, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm kind of confused about what she means, in the charcat with residence after death? Either way, we still need to reference it. What I mean is, in the family section, by a family member it says "Verified StarClan member", all we need to do is put a reference beside it saying when they were seen in StarClan. Whitestorm17 23:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for making us aware of this, Whitestorm. It doesn't make sense that the character's family members are shown their statuses when the actual character doesn't. I agree with Insane on this topic. Adding another section to the charcat would work fine. How exactly does that work, anyway? Echo star  Getting a tan 11:57, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, now I understand with your idea, Whitestorm, but I think it'd be a pain to add a whole new load of citations to the family section when it's pretty clogged already. But you still brought up a very good point, we don't really list characters "afterlives" anywhere. It's a simple matter to add it to the Charcat, even I might be able to manage that XD I think if we put it on the charcat, with citation, that's the best way, because then if people want verification it's not hard for them to just go the character's page. insane brick'd 13:24, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so how should we add it to the charcat, what is the coding? Whitestorm17 17:04, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

I can add it. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 19:49, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Or not. Looks like it's already been added. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 19:51, July 25, 2010 (UTC)