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Should Cats of the Park be given satisfactory, or even be nominated for silver? 01:13, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Gathering
Thought I should bring this up. The article looks honestly very confusing to use (and base off) and it's really confusing to edit. I've been working on it for a few days yet I can't seem to grasp the basics, for example, not all moons and seasons are mentioned in the Gatherings. Is there anyway we can simplify this? 18:57, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also we kind of need a guideline on how much history an article neds, such as ThunderClan or ShadowClan. Basically it seems like that on some articles, the entire book is used as a summary, yet on others there's hardly anything. We should come up with a basic guideline on how these articles should be formatted, and what should be used.

-Just as a suggestion, but the list of gatherings might be a bit more organized and easy to use if it's like the structure of the Events Timeline? I dunno, I think it would be... 00:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Any other commnets/suggestions/ideas? 16:01 Sun Jan 31

No, I do like your suggestions. 03:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any other comments before I go an make the table for the Gatherings?

The one thing that I don't really know what to do about, though, is SkyClan... I'm thinking perhaps an entirely different table could be made for them, and put under the table listing the gatherings for the original 4 clans? 22:48 Fri Feb 19

Maybe ... If you're talking about SkyClan's only Gathering, then yes they should probably have their own template, but if you're talking about ancient SkyClan they go with everyone else. 12:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can we get some more commernts on this? 01:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Events Timeline
Okay so I was looking at this page, and it's really unorderly and needs lots of cites, but also, the years before Rusty entered the forest are missing some years (such as 2, 3, 5) and that seems kind of confusing. Also, with the novellas that seem to constantly go farther back into Warrior's history, if the events in say Mapleshade's Revenge (I think that's the earliest novella, right?) are to be added, then all of the years after that would need to have their number changed and it would just be confusing. I think it might be a better idea just to start with Rusty putting his first paw into the forest as year 0, then anything before that would be "___ Years BF" (before Firestar :P). Or just 'Year -1' or something. (Although really, I don't think that we know for sure how many years passed between sections of BP and ITW...)

Also, the Early Settlers should definitely have a timeline, because they got a whole series to themselves, and were really important. But since it would just make the page even more messy to add them in, I'm thinking that it would be a good idea just to make an Early Settler Timeline by itself.

Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions? 15:26, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking the same sorts of things. Honestly, I cannot tell when Goosefeather's Curse is, or maybe even when Bluestar was born. 06:33, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, the book order should be as follows, given the context within each book. (not counting prologues and graphic novels):
 * The Sun Trail, Thunder Rising, The First Battle, The Blazing Star, A Forest Divided, Path of Stars, and Moth Flight's Vision
 * Cloudstar's Journey
 * Mapleshade's Vengeance
 * Goosefeather's Curse
 * Tallstar's Revenge, Yellowfang's Secret, Crookedstar's Promise, and Bluestar's Prophecy (all of these take place around the same time, but events within the book and context clues place them in this order)
 * Into the Wild, Fire and Ice, and Forest of Secrets
 * Tigerclaw's Fury, The Elders' Concern, and Rising Storm (all happens within the same range of time)
 * A Dangerous Path and The Darkest Hour
 * Firestar's Quest and SkyClan's Desitiny
 * Midnight, Moonrise, Dawn, Starlight, and Twilight
 * Leafpool's Wish
 * Sunset
 * After Sunset: We Need to Talk
 * The Sight, Dark River, Outcast, Eclipse, Long Shadows, and Sunrise'''
 * Hollyleaf's Story (starts after Hollyleaf runs away in Sunrise, and then leads up to The Forgotten Warrior)
 * The Fourth Apprentice
 * Mistystar's Omen and Fading Echoes
 * Night Whispers, Sign of the Moon, The Forgotten Warrior, and The Last Hope
 * Dovewing's Silence
 * Bramblestar's Storm
 * The Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow

I can't place Ravenpaw's Farewell in the list yet, since I really am unsure where it goes. I'll need to check the book once it comes out.

If I may pop in and add the mangas to your list. I have an excel document where I have done my best to map out the events throughout the Warriors series, though it's very long and I'm not sure how it would translate to a wikia page. I'd would like to partner up with someone to fill out the Events Timeline page, though I'd need to learn the page's coding (that table you have there) and discuess which filler stuff I need to cut out of my timeline. ThirteenthStar (talk) 09:05, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Rise of Scourge starts in Bluestar's Prophecy and ends at A Dangerous Path/The Darkest Hour
 * The Sasha and Tigerstar arc begins in A Dangerous Path and ends during Firestar's Quest
 * Ravenpaw's arc begins soon after Firestar's Quest but I'm not sure when it ends (I only have the first book :P)
 * I think Graystripe's arc takes place in Dawn/Starlight and of course ends in The Sight.
 * SkyClan's arc starts in Twilight/Sunset and I do not know when it ends. (Again, I only own the first book.)

I'll make a page called 'Early Settler Timeline' then, for events from The Sun Trail-Moth Flight's Vision, unless anyone disagrees? 23:11 Sun Jan 24

I disagree. I don't think we need a timeline for that because it fits right in with Events Timeline. If we need a differnet timeline we might as well make timelines for each series. 01:30, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

But it doesn't really fit in; it's an entirely different chain of events. We have no clue how much time passed between Moth Flight's death and Goosefeather's birth. Into the Wild- the Last Hope all are in order, and we know how many moons and years passed between each consecutive book, even if they are different series. 01:49 Wed Jan 27

Why not just organize and number the years into 'eras'. Example: We'd begin with the Dawn of the Clans era. The first year (Basically just The Sun Trail) would be labelled DotC Year 1 or something then continue until Moth Flight's Vision. After that would be the "Scattered Years" era. Which is Code of the Clans to Goosefeather's Curse where you can number the years if you want but specify where the years are in an unknown order. Then you get into all the books we have an order for. ThirteenthStar (talk) 02:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oops thought I responded to this a while ago. The thing is, if DoTC events come first, the main series will be pushed to the back, and I think it would be a bit too long of page. If others still think that all the events should be in one page, though, I think a good way to make it more organized and easy-to-use could be to make those pop-up table things (like in the Ceremonies or Leader Information boxes). Thoughts/other opinions/comments?

Also, what are the thoughts on making, Into the Wild Year 1, and all years before that "Year -1", or "1 YBF" or something like that? 23:10 Sat Jan 30

Could I have some thoughts on this please? 20:07 Sat Feb 13

I think that Into the Wild should be regarded as year 1 (YBF), the start of the Warriors prophecy, while DOTC could be provided as years during the prequel series. It doesn't make sense, but just realize that DOTC is a prequel, and is not apart of the first, second, third, or fourth series. Just like how there's a prequel for a movie. 03:39, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

I guess. Unless there are any objections then, I'll change the years for the current timeline... I don't know when the Early Settler timeline would start though, because I have no clue (is it even ever revealed?) how much time passed between when like when the ancients left the lake, and when the cats journeyed out on the Sun Trail. If the same format is followed, I think it might make sense to have The Sun Trail be Year 0, and all years before that be, 'x YBST' or something. 22:42 Fri Feb 19

I went and changed the titles of the years, tell me if you think something about it should be changed. 22:56 Mon Feb 22

Okay so what about the Early Settlers timeline? I forgot a lot of it, so if someone wouldn't mind refreshing my memory, but is the time between when Jay's Wing told the cats to leave the Lake, and the journey to follow the Sun Trail, known? 21:13 Tue Mar 15

Well, it wasn't really revealed but I'd say we could make a pretty accurate guess. Lion's Roar had been born shortly before Jayfeather had to leave the mountain cats, and Half Moon was still alive and everything. Plus, we know when she died due to the bonus scene featuring Sun Shadow. Idk if it's good to guess on something like a timeline though.

Yeah, I mean it is and assumption. Kate or Vicky could always be asked, of course, but without them saying exactly how much time passed, it shouldn't be guessed. In that case, unless someone with a BlogClan/facebook account would be willing to ask, I'll add the Early Settlers section to the Timeline, and have year 0 of that era be the journey to the sun trail. 21:56 Wed Mar 16

I actually think we can get it done if we at least count the moons together due to the seasons and stuff. How about we look back at those books? I know that Jayfeather went back in time, and it was leafbare, I think? A few days definitely passed during his time, so Lion's Roar must've been approximately 1 day when he left, or two at the most. If I go back in The Sun Trail, I'm sure we can make an estimate of how long the cats have been on the mountain, and if you count Gray Wing's age and go to the bonus scene, we can count how long Half Moon had been there before she died. 00:33, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Who's ready for some MATH?

Let's get straight to it.

Let's calculate Jayfeather's age. He's born in Leafpool's Wish, and he stays at the hollow tree for what ... half a moon? It's late leaf-bare, because the snow thaws at the end. However it's still snowing. In The Sight it's winter as well which actually means these three were apprenticed way too early. Jaypaw is apprenticed in leaf-bare, and at the end of The Sight, it's newleaf. In Dark River, it's newleaf. It continues where The Sight left off. Jaypaw is now 2 years old at Sunrise, and if you subtract the winter and fall, he's around 1 and 9 months when ''Long Shadows' occurs.

In Long Shadows, Fallen Leaves had been gone for a month when Jaypaw become a Sharpclaw. It's greenleaf when Jay Wing arrives, and when they get to the mountains, it's leaf-bare. I'd calculate that it was about late greenleaf when the Ancients left, so maybe August or September? I'd like to think Fallen Leaves disappeared during July. I think it's leaf-bare when the cats come to the mountains because Dark Whiskers got blown off by an ice storm, so what I want to think is that they left in late September, and arrived in August. Now we know that's not how long it took Lionblaze and the others to travel to the mountains, but keep in mind this was a small group who probably didn't know where they were going. It's later confirmed that it is leaf-bare, so I still stick to my decision that it's December. Lion's Roar is born then.

So let's count how many days Jay's Wing is there. I think it' December because obviously the mountains are full of snow, and I think it's near leaf-bare. So I think it's obviously near December 21st (for winter, keep in mind this is a ROUGH calculation and I'm failing math, and it's never confirmed what month it is anyways).

So let's start at 21st. Jay's Wing arrives there at December 21st, and stays the day. He then goes to sleep, so when he wakes up, it's December 22nd. Lion's Roar is born on that day. Lion's Roar is one day old when Jay's Wing left, so he was born in leaf-bare (for my calculations I guesS).

In the prologue for The Sun Trail, it's leafbare. Half Moon says she's lived for three times as long in the mountains than she has in the lake. So, she was 1 year old in the lake (because she's a softpaw). That means she's three years old. Makes no sense, right? Lion's Roar seems old, so he must be 2 years. I have no idea why these cats are referred to as "ancient" when they're really young, so guys, if I made an error, please point that out.

Also in the The Sun Trail, it's winter, and Gray Wing talks about how in summer he was still a kit. Now, leaf fall has passed, so that's three months - assuming that when you stop being a kit you're six months. That makes Gray Wing nine months old during the beginning. I want to say it's January at the beginning of the Sun Trail because that's when snow is the hardest, so we're going for three moons each season here.

When they reach their new territories it's "the warm season", so it's newleaf. They were traveling for three months give or take, because it's stated that it's early. Then during the end, the cold season is coming. Leaf-fall, maybe? Because it's just pricks of cold air, so we're going for 6 months after they reach the new territories. When Jagged Peak comes back, it's winter for sure, so it's three months after, meaning they've been in the territories for nine months. Also, Thunder comes back in the cold season, so I think it's January again, making Gray Wing 18 months, so over a year.

In Thunder Rising the cold season is coming to an end, so late March, three moons after January. Thunder is 3 moons old now. Okay, so when Wind Runner and Gorse Fur come, Thunder is still there, and they had been saying it were three moons since they asked them to join. That'd make Thunder 6 moons by now. Then, after Turtle Tail's kits are born, he's seven moons. So Thunder joins Clear Sky's group for two moons, making him 9 moons. He leaves about half a moon later, making him 9 and a half.

My knowledge here is that several = seven. That means 7 moons passed since the fire, and Thunder was about .. 6 moons. 7 moons passed, he's 13 now. Now it's leaf-bare in The First Battle, when it was summer and newleaf in Thunder Rising. Now let's see if our math adds up. 3 + 3 + 3 = 9, so yes, Thunder is 9 when he leaves. In The First Battle, it says several moons have passed, so 7 have passed since the fire. That means Thunder has lived on the moor for 6 months again, so when he left it was leaf-fall, so it's leaf-fall again. Gray Wing is 42 moons (give or take), so 3 years is what I'm going to bet. The cats have been at the territory for less than three years, so I'm giving it that they were there for two and a half years now. Then it becomes warm season, so 3 months after. That gives Thunder a 16 month span. So The First Battle ends at newleaf.

Now let's give Half Moon a look back. 3 years when she came, 2 years during the forest. That'd make her 5 years, but I'm counting this as an error because Half Moon is definitely much older than that. It's leaf-fall in The Blazing Star, so 14 months after The Great Battle. Thunder is 30 months. Gray Wing is now 4 years. Okay, so it's greenleaf when One Eye comes around. That'd be 9 months after new-leaf. Thunder is 39 months. Gray Wing is five years. When One Eye is ambushed, it's leaf-bare. 6 months after One Eye has arrived. Gray Wing is close to 6 years. Thunder is 3 years.

Let's move on to A Forest Divided. It's leaf-bare so it continues straight off The Blazing Star. Clear Sky states that "only a few moons ago, he and Thunder came close". I think that was around The Blazing Star, so that doesn't really count now. Okay, so it's still leaf-bare when these guys move around to new territories. It's leaf-bare throughout this entire book, but it's still close to newleaf.

It's a year after A Forest Divided, because we're back to leaf-bare again in Path of Stars. Gray Wing is now close to 7 years. Thunder is now near 4 years. Gray Wing dies at 7 years.

In Moth Flight's Vision, two months passed after Gray Wing died. It must be close to newleaf by now. my eyes sting from writing this Let's use Moth Flight's age now. We can add Gray Wing to it later. Moth Flight is almost a year when newleaf comes because she says it is her first newleaf, so let's say she was born in greenleaf. That makes her 9 months old when newleaf rolls around. A year after, Moth Flight finds the Moonstone, so she's 2 years now. At the end of the book, it's "a few moons until leaf-bare", so it must be around fall. That makes Mothflight around almost 4 years. So we take 7 + 4, and that's 11 years. The Clans have been there for about 11 years but keep in mind you must minus nine months.

Once again, I have an F in math. I got a 5/26 on my last quiz. I have a 41% in math. I may not be right. I may be extremely off, but I did try hard and I hope I'm at least a little bit correct. If someone wants to check this over and correct it themselves, feel free to do so. But this is just my observation, on how long the timeline should be. 01:35, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

I actually think all of that is correct except for maybe... I vaguely remember Brook telling her kits they had to be eight moons old to leave the cave, so if that's true it would shift everything 2 moons forward.

Well, remember that that was way after the early settlers, and I don't know if it's about leaving the cave, just stop being a kit. I'm not sure about that, but even then ... you do bring up a valid point so I'm not so sure. 16:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

The Great Hunger
Bear with me because this is gonna be a short explanation thingy.

So in Goosefeather's Curse, Goosefeather mentions The Great Hunger all capitalized and stuff, meaning it was an event and it took ThunderClan by storm. Should we have an article on it considering its importance, even adding the fact that Goosefeather had a vision of it? 19:01, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

I haven't read GC, what was the Great Hunger? How many cats/Clans did it effect? 21:15 Tue Mar 15

Hm... I do think it should have an article, but, there really isn't too much info on it considering the event is in a novella. And Maple, if only affected ThunderClan, but affected all the cats during leaf-bare.

It was a starvation epidemic that Goosefeather predicted ahead of time, and he did everything in his power to stop it but it still happened. Several cats died because there wasn't enough food and they ended up eating worms. That's basically the most simple description I can give. And the same thing actually applies for The Great Storm as well - it's referred to that in The Apprentice's Quest. Should we give that an article? 03:27, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

You do bring up a good point^^ The Great Storm should definitely have an article, as is an event too.

Then in that case, yes I do think that the Great Hunger should definitely get a page. And tbh, I'm quite shocked that the Great Storm doesn't even have a page yet... I always thought it did... Anyways, I think both should have pages made. 21:53 Wed Mar 16

Should we follow the format of the Battle pages? Like for example, for the Great Hunger

Predicting It

Digging Up The Ground

A Huge Catasoprhy

Newleaf Arrives

and something like that. 00:31, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Does anyone think those names sound good? I'm actaully not sure, but I love my pun so can we keep that 01:04, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

I like all of them (especially the one with the pun), but I think Predicting It could be changed to something like The Vision or idk really what. I just don't think that fits super well but if everyone else agrees then I'm okay with it.