Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Tutorials
Okay everyone if you haven't noticed the other leads and i are putting together a new tutorial. In a couple of days/weeks, one we have the basic structure, we'll open it so warriors can edit it and improve it however they can. But for the time being, just the leads. But can anyone guess what that means for personal tutorials? Thats right we're getting rid of them. So if you have a personal tutorial, please start putting the delete tags on the images and clearing out the page. Its for the good of the project. 01:20, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

And it'll make the sever work better so changes will actually show up on chararts! ;) throws confetti 01:22, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Instead of deleting all the existing ones, though, do you think you should give people a chance to link to a picture if it's in one composite (instead of ten different images) that could be benificial? Some of the ones on there probably could have been taken difrectly from someone's tutorial, just sayin'. It's looking good so far, however 01:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

When we open it to everyone, you can show the picture to a lead and we can approve it to go in the tutorail. 01:48, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I have no idea how to add the delete tags on images. Is it the same for pages? ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 21:37, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is exaclty done in the same fashion. 21:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

So we are getting rid of the personal tutorials? Can someone also give me the link of the project tutorial so I can see it? 03:55, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

It's located here. Also, just giving you a heads-up: I'll get the white cat part up as soon as I can. I have so much crap going on, and my mental state is very unstable right now. 15:28, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Take your time cloudy. As for my sections, if you havent noticed, spelling is not my thing. Its a fun part of being dyslexic. Anyways, if there is some terrible spelling, feel free to fix it in my sections. 21:40, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with this was there a vote, because it's impossible that you could fit all of the tutorial info. into one. Wild fire Hazelx Thorn!  21:21, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Awww, after all that time i spent on that! Wasted DX man......ah well, time to start getting rid of them,,,,,sadly.....DX Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 02:44, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a section for dappled, mottled, and flecked cats? 20:53, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

It says the section for layers is "free game". Is that just for leads?  ❀ wild  heart ❀    02:39, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Transparent Pictures
Can someone show me how to make a picture transparent?? (I use Pixlr, not GIMP just to let ya kno) 15:42, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

when you are saving it usually it says Format: JPEG (Good for most photos) Click the down arrow, It has PNG,BMP,TIFF,and PXD. Click PNG and it will automaticly save as a transparent picture. Hope this helped! 18:08, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nooo, shes asking how to add transparency not to save one as a transparent picture. I dont really know how to answer that question, since I use pixlr too, but I use Paint.NET to add transparency to 'em 8| -- 00:19, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Tallstar
Does anyone else think that Tallstar's chararts should be tweaked to have longer tails? We did it for Vinestar, so... 18:50, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

We did? Oh we did! Then yea, if it says so in the description then we should probably tweak it. It's even in his name -- 18:53, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mmhmm. I agree with that. If we tweak other chararts for things like that, Tallstar is no exception. 18:54, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Should the same be done to Firestar? In his description it says he has a long tail. Mi st  y!  18:56, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, that's not a thing significant thing about Firestar. Tallstar's been mentioned with his long tail much more times -- 19:01, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think Tallstar should be tweaked, but not Firestar and Leopardstar as it's not significant, like Bloo said. ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 19:04, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Tallstar was actually called Taill''tail. ''Firestar just has a long tail descriptive wise. So I believe Tallstar should be tweaked, but a no to Firestar. 22:04, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think the leader is fine since they have fairly long tails, but if you do decide to then I kind of hope I can do the leader since I've already tweaked it once and I have all the layers. His Warrior version, I agree (and if he has another?) 00:56, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

May I please be re-added
May I please be re-add I lost my computer and just got it.Thunderjay 22:14, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hawkfrost?
I don't know, but.. It seems that his charart is not the right size.. Does anyone else see that or is it just me? xD Mi  st  y!  00:51, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's because Icestorm is tweaking it. Sometimes, the images go all wonky and don't look right. xD 00:54, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. x3 Mi  st  y!  01:17, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Stonefur
Should Stonefur be tweaked? He looks very dark grey. Like Cinderpelt's fur color, and the description says gray. I am not sure if he is blue furred. {+{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Stoneclaw33/Sig}+} 08:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I thought his eyes were yellow. {+{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Stoneclaw33/Sig}+} 08:07, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Stonefur had already been tweaked this past tweak week. In fact, he was tweaked to be blue-gray, if that answers your question. And I do believe he has blue eyes :-) 14:49, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay. It's just that there are two, totally different descriptions, and I don't know which one's right {+{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Stoneclaw33/Sig}+} 15:04, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thistlepaw
In Thistlepaw's character pixels, he is shown as a ginger and white kit but a white apprentice. If he was shown as a ginger and white kit, shouldn't his apprentice be ginger and white as well? And have the white be an alt? Or, have the white kit pixel and the ginger and white alt? It doesn't make much sense to have two different patterns on one character. 19:02, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think the ginger and white should be the alt, and Thistlepaw should have a white kit charart made for him. Actually, where was he called ginger and white? I don't see a source. 19:05, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly... it has yet to be sourced. His description says "white tom" so it would make sense to have the ginger and white to be the alt after all. 19:09, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it would. If it's not sourced, then I'm going to remove it. I guess someone must know, because they let them get away with making the charart. 19:24, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I searched in every place he appeared as a kit, mainly in Dark River, and I couldn't find a place where it called him ginger-and-white ANYWHERE. I personally think it might have been made up. But yeah, his kit image should be made pure white. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:56, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

It says on the talk page that it was Dark River, but, until the page can be found, I'm removing it. 23:44, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hollyleaf?
Should Hollyleaf have a loner image? 'Cause she IS alive, and she never bothered the clans, if anything, she kept clear of them, or should we wait for The Forgotten Warrior to come out? Moonkitti 21:56, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should wait until The Forgotten Warrior comes out, okay? ;D 22:01, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Moonkitti 22:03, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, and its not confirmed that she's a loner, since she could also be a kittypet or something. 22:03, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, certainly wait. After all, she never was confirmed to be in any of the books since she went into the tunnels, and we gotta see the cat with that status. 03:58, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Queens
Okay, I know this has been brought up before, and I'm not here to argue, just to state my case. I just honestly think that the queen policy for this project needs to be clarified and the rule changed. As it is, I believe the rule for who gets a queen charart is that the cat must be listed in the allegiences as a queen and/or shown in a nursery expecting or nursing kits. This rule, however, has been mostly ignored, and so far we seem to have gone with just cats that have been seen or mentioned as pregnant (except for Leafpool and Yellowfang, because for some reason people have put their feet down in these two cases instead of the countless others). If we went by the rule, then Mapleshade, Quince, Princess, Nightcloud, Broken Shadow, and many other cats (all cats outside of the Clans and most cats outside of ThunderClan, as we don't see the nurseries of other Clans often) should not have queen chararts. I honestly believe the rule should either be changed to allow all of these already made and approved chararts, or it should be inforced more stricly and these chararts removed. I think the project would run a bit more smoothly under either of these circumstances (specifically the former). Does anyone agree? (Iceheart, don't kill me, I'm just trying to help) 23:02, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe..... Because it was confirmed that they had kits and nursed them, but not Broken Shadow because Fallen Leaves was her kit, but it wasn't confirmed that she nursed him. She probably did nurse him, but we have no proof. 06:58, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

This conversation is being more officially held here. If you want to contribute, please post there. 17:56, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-joining?
Hey guys. I'm sort of back! Can I re-join as a warrior (the rank I was when I left)? 23:50, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Awesomeness!!! Welcome back! Since you left as a warrior, that's what I'll add you back in as. 23:52, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Cloudskye :)   }   wild    heart    ~    00:02, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back Wildheart! 00:11, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Become Apprentice
Hey guys! Regifloat222 here. I wanna know if I can become an apprentice? I would really like to.

-Regifloat222

You become an apprentice once you join ;) There aren't kit ranks anymore. :3 Mi  st  y!  23:36, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Cloud/Fire kit
Firestar needs a kit image with a collar, like scourge. and cloudtail should have an alternate kit image like that. -  E  l  m  o  s  t  a  r  P  o  w  e  r  P  u  p  p  e  t  s   00:15, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

No and no. Firestar doesn't get one, as it was decided he wasn't really seen as a kit. Cloudtail doesn't get one with a collar, because when he was a kit, he didn't have one. 00:16, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Redlines
So, I saw Cloudy mention that she doesn't think redlines (like the ones on Ivystripe's tutorial) should be allowed anymore, and I kinda agree. It can make chararts really unoriginal, if all you're doing is using a base lineart, using a base tabby, then possibly using a base for shading too (like the one on Nightshine's tutorial). So I was wondering what the leads and everyone else thought. Should it be made a rule that we can't have redlines anymore, or no? Maybe only premade redlines, and we could still have the ones people make specifically to help a user with one specific image, not just say, tabbies in general. So....yeah. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:53, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, for shading and highlights, i think we should keep them, For tabbies, or etc. I don't think we should have them. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 01:55, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorta half and half about this one. For a new user or one without any talent with tabbies, like me, they'd be really useful, but at the same time, it's like stealing another's special style for tabbies if they decided to redline it. Redlines for shading and circling blurred lineart and etc. sounds fine to me, but redlining extensive tabby patterns does sound a bit extreme. Maybe just linearts for shading, circling, and helping a user with a specific charart and then once approved, the redline gets deleted? 01:59, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I put on my tutorial for users not to directly use them but use them for inspiration. I worked hard on that so we could have more realistic tabby styles, and I want it to inspire users. I'd be kinda offended if it got deleted, as I worked hard on it. If people just color it in, then we can kindly ask them to not do that. It's no different than if there was a cat named "Grayfoot" who was a she-cat with long gray fur and blue eyes and they just cut out of someone's tutorial a gray she-cat with long fur and blue eyes. Should we get rid of them too? 02:00, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, this was a little unexpected. Ehehe... Yeah.... Redlines shouldn't be allowed to be used to PCA images, considering it's not their original work. No offense to Ivystripe, 'cause she knows I don't mean any harm, but, those shouldn't be allowed to be used for PCA. The only redlines that should be used for help are the ones that Nightshine made, because that shows the general area where shading should go, although it is artist's choice. If they are made to help a user with an image, like Rainwillow and Silvestream's one image a while back, or the one that was used for Tigerheart'a alt, then those are allowed, but should only be used if and only if a user is having that much trouble with an image. I have tabby issues too, and I still come up with some pretty neat things. 02:02, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I did too, but, look at Piketooth. Having the free-will to make them look how you WANT is a lot of fun. Having redlines seems....well....lazy and not so fun...I agree with what Cloudy said for the redlines. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:05, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Needless to say, I am kind of offended, but whatever. Delete them then. 02:06, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

OH! I'm am SO sorry Ivy! I-I REALLY didn't mean to offend you! I mean it, i sorry! I didn't mean to, i didn't mean it like that! I didn't mean-i really didn't I'm sorry! Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:08, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about, just needless to say I'm pissed off that I'm just now learning about this 02:09, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I never once said they needed to be deleted. Where did that come from? Those redlines are pretty neat, and I even use them for practice. But, that's all they should be used for. Not submitted for approval. 02:10, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm really sorry! Really i am, i didn't mean for it to sound mean! But, yeah pratic only not for coloring and trying to claim it as your own work. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:11, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with most that has been stated; I think the tabby redlines should be used for a guide, but not just coloured in and submitted for approval, as for the reasons stated above. Shading redlines should stay as well; they're useful for guidelines. I also pretty much agree with Cloudy's long rant :P  ❀ wild   heart ❀    02:33, September 24, 2011 (UTC)