Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Elder Blanks - For Approval
We are in need of elder blanks, so i thought i would make some. What do you think? I'm having some troubles with the size.Dawnfeather 04:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you should get rid of the smile, and mabye make it look grumpy... You know elders... -- Mallinois Fluffy Power 13:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Grumpy enough? There is something about the back which bothers me. Anyone else feel the same way? Tell me if you can think of what it is. I've only been a user on here for a few weeks, and I noticed that Kitsu hasn't been on since late November last year. Does anyone know where she is? she seem's like the authority on this project from what i've heard. Dawnfeather 23:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Kitsu's been very busy lately, so she hasn't been on a lot. I don't see a problem with the back, could you explain it to me? -- Mallinois Fluffy Power 13:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know, but the short haired ones' backs seems too flat or something. Dawnfeather 21:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

i see what you mean about the backs. Maybe try making a SMALL dip in the center, to give it the look of a wither/shoulder and a rump/hindquarter. Flam efeat her 18:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thanks, I think they look better, but is it too extreme now? Dawnfeather 05:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I think they look excellent! But the ear on in front looks round on top... not to be fickle... ::Applestar4904 16:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

These look pretty good. One thing did jump out though: the outline on the bottom edge of all the tails and under their chins is blurry - is this intentional? They definitely look grumpy to me! There is also something about the ears...I can't put my finger on it exactly. I think it maybe that the back of the head seems to stick out quite a lot and it looks a bit un-natural...I dunno. Perhaps that's just me. Good work though! --Sandy Leader's Den 19:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the neck thinner, changed the ear, and made the outline darker. Is it better? Applestar, I love the name! It's a pity we find nothing more about Applekit in the books after Starlight. (Sorry, a bit off topic! But while im at it, can someone help me make a sig? I don't know how to do all that HTML stuff...) Dawnfeather  08:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It Looks Great! And thanks, lol ..::Applestar4904 14:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone got anymore suggestions? Come on, I know it's not perfect yet! Dawnfeather 22:40, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I know I'm not an official member yet, (at least I don't think I am) but the head seems a bit to big to me. (I should talk though, I'm terrible at drawing cats! =p)--Merlock the Wizard Lets talk  16:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thanks, I appreciate the consructive critism. I only changed the short hairs co they were ridiculously out of porportion. I'm not sure whether or not to change the long hairs as well. ???? THey look better, but still a bit odd. Dawnfeather 06:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think that the longhair's heads look just fine. In fact, I think they're good enough to use, but I'm not really a member yet, so I can't make that decision. XP I'm sure they'll be used though. --Merlock the Wizard Lets talk  21:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

The lines from mid-neck to mid-back need evening out. Darkhallows 21:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

???? Sorry, Darkhallows, but what? Can you explain in further detail what you mean please? ???? Thanks Merlock! I hope you're right, but if you are, it'll be in a while. I'ld be the first cat to admit that these need a lot of work, especially the short-haired ones. I'm a perfectionist, but they look weird!  Dawnfeather   I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 10:34, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, firstly the heads of the longhaired ones are now way bigger than the shorthaired which looks strange. Secondly, they look like they ahve really fat forelegs (closest one) especially the shorthaired... Also, is there any way to further distinguish between male and female other than the eyes? --Sandy Leader's Den 14:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

How to tell them apart; On the long hairs, the female's fur is a little bit neater, and on the short hairs the female has a smaller line defining the shape of the chest. On both of them the front paws are slightly slimmer and there is that thing with the eyes. I don't have enough time right now to work on these, I'm going away over easter, and then im going away with my family, but I think we'll still stay at a place with internet, 'cos my brother is in his final year of school and he has a few essays to write over the holidays! I'll try and do that stuff before then tho.  Dawnfeather   I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 06:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Now you've pointed it out I can see there are a lot of differences! Sorry I was being unobservant! --Sandy Leader's Den 11:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

That's okay! I didn't really want to make them too obvious, but do you think they should be?  Dawnfeather   I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 12:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I re-adjusted the head and body porportions, and I think they look better, but they are still a bit weird. Any thoughts? I'll get around to the paws a little bit later, I haven't got time right now. <font color="Orange" style="background:Gray"> Dawnfeather  <font color="Red" style="background:Silver"> I am of the Forest - I am of the Dawn's Radiance 02:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going away for a week and a half from today, just so everybody knows. Dawnfeather 23:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! What I mean is, the lines from top of the head to the back of the neck aren't as smooth as the others (I'm assuming that's where you edited them). --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows <font color="red" style="background:Black">Lair 06:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I've just noticed that the lineart on the shorthairs is all fuzzy around the head area--<font color="LimeGreen" style="background:Black">Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Leader's Den 12:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I know. I'm struggling to fix them, but my efforts are so bad so far that I haven't yet posted any of them. The short haired ones look so bad, I think I'll just fix up the longhaired, and then edit those into shorthairs, using my current shorthairs as a guide. -- Dawnfeather 07:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay,I cleared up the lines, reajusted the head, and I think it's heaps better. Any opinions? Dawnfeather 10:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I have been working on these for a while now, but I want to know people's opinions. Do you think that, even with work, these pictures could ever be accepted? It's a pretty big thing to accept a blank, so I don't know if these will ever be up to scratch. Don't get me wrong, I want to make these offical, that was the whole point of posting them. I'm just not sure if they are, or ever will be good enough. Please post your opinions on this! Dawnfeather  11:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I definitely think these could be approved in the fairly near future. I like the longhaired ones but I think the lineart of the shorthaired needs to be slightly thicker to make them consistent with each other Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, you could go over them with a thicker brush...--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 06:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the lines wider, but now they are too wide, even though I only changed them by a pixel. I'm really not so sure how these would work. The tail, back and ears stil look weird to me. Mind you, I am a perfectionist, and this is my own work. Dawnfeather 06:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I think they look great with the thick lines, but you only did the shorthairs.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 22:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the long-hair's lines wider.

The front shoulder is annoying me. Any ideas? Dawnfeather 10:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, try slimming down the females... If you want I could get some ref pictures of my cats for you.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 02:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry? I don't understand you again.

Oh yeah- i can't make the background transparent. Can someone please do this for me, if it isn't too big an ask. It just won't co-operate with me. Dawnfeather 06:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I have a habit of doing that. The front of the leg, slim the female's down maybe? Also, I can make them transparent if you want.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Darkhallows. I mean the shoulder, not the leg. I'll try what you said anyway. Dawnfeather 07:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. The top one is the modification of Shorthaired female. I'm not sure if it is better or not, so please post your opinions. Dawnfeather 06:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I prefer the new version. It looks more natural. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 02:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like the new one.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:57, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

To be honest with myself, I don't like either verion. Neither look right to me, and I'm going to think about withdrwing this to free me up to work on other pics. I may not though. -- Dawnfeather 03:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't withdraw them! These are really good, and are almost ready for approval. We need more blanks, and you're doing all of us a huge favor by working on these. Don't give up now. I personally think these are ready, except for a few minor touches. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 03:39, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments Bramble, but I really can't agree. I know that we need more blanks, but I would feel bad if these were accepted because I don't think that they are good enough. I'm sure someone else could make something better. The front foreleg just plain looks weird to me. The tail and ears do to, even if I'm not sure what is wrong with them. I am very perfectionist and I don't want these to be approved if they are not perfect. As i said, very perfectionist. ;) -- Dawnfeather  04:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed the leg thing on all of them, including making it a bit wider. It still seems strange, but it looks a lot better. Bramble, GB, please do not approve this yet! I know you like it, but it could still be better, and I am not willing for it to be accepted if it can be better. (remember, i'm perfectionist! Maybe i should put that in my sig...) I am going to have a go at clouring one to see if they are easy to use. -- Dawnfeather 07:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Please- anything I can do? I know it needs improvements. Bramble, you mentioned it needed aa few tweakings. What are they!? -- Dawnfeather 06:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Something seems a little awkward about the ears, try adding a line in front of the further one (like on the warrior blanks), if you know what I mean. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed the ear again. Anything else? Again, I say, DO NOT APPROVE IT YET! 8O (yelling with wide eyes.)-- Dawnfeather 08:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOEADED Oh! I misunderstood you! I tried that, but i'm not sure if it looks good or not, so i only did one, and put it up with the inedited ones. What do you think? -- Dawnfeather 08:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

It's OK! I really like it. I can't see much else wrong with them (do you want me to make them transparent?).--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 10:20, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do! I have also mucked up the gender thing I think, have have piut two of the shorthaired the same gender or something. Just for future reference, are you a he or a she? Just in case you can't tell by my name, i'm a she! You said you can't see 'much else' wrong with them- what can I fix? Dawnfeather is in a rush and cannot sign in!


 * I fixed that. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 20:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

-pokes page- She. Anyway, I'll do that right now then. The only thing I can see is that on one of them, there are some blueish dots. I'm making them transparent right now. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 03:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I had to change the shorthairs to PNG, I hope you don't mind! JPG can't handle transparency. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 03:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that's fine! Oh yeah, with or without the ine infront of the ear? -- Dawnfeather 06:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED The shorthairs are smaller than the longhairs, i'll change that. They are solid black and white (I think), i checked by increasing the tolerance as i paint-bucketed. Anything else? As I said before, and keep on saying - DO NOT APPROVE! (yet) -- Dawnfeather 06:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I really can't see anything else Dawnfeather. I think they are ready. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 09:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Sigh...

I have taken shady's advice so much this last week, I'm going to have to take it now. These are no longer not-allowed-to-be-approved. I am open to anything now.

Where are you all? It's like you all just... magically...

dissapear

into the unknown.


 * OO

-- Dawnfeather 11:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED The shorthaired necks looked a bit thick so I changed them, but I'm not sure if there is much difference. -- Dawnfeather 11:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I tried it again, and I actually like them! I know, It is both a first, and amazing. Anything else I can do? -- Dawnfeather 06:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I am going away for the weekend.Please comment though, I will be back soon to do everything you tell me to! :D -- Dawnfeather 06:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * You've worked really hard on these and they look great. I think they are ready for approval now Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Approve them, they look awesome. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 23:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - your comments mean a lot to me. I really want to put Sorreltail up anyway... ;P -- Dawnfeather 11:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The thing that has been bugging me most about these blanks is that i'm not sure how well the will work. I made one of Darkfoot (Either Windclan or Riverclan). Yes, I know I blurred it, but I wanted to know what you think. Not about how the picture looks, exactly, but what can be changed in the outline to make the picture better? This is not up for approval, it is just a test (never thought i'ld say 'just' in that sentence and mean it!, but there you go) -- Dawnfeather 06:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I love them ^^. The only thing I see is that the mouth is just a strait line.--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 07:00, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I think they're great Dawnfeather! The mouth should stay a straight line because they're elders...they're not exactly the smiliest of cats! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 07:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Random comment, but can I join?--Snowflurry 00:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)Snowflurry

I can't accept applications, we'll have to get GB here for that. I got really bored, and I don't want this to be declined while I wait for someone to give me something to do or to approve it. I made another elder image, this time it is Frostfur.



So anyway, here she is. I have now proved to mayself that these blanks will work. However, the were a much bigger commitment than I expected. I am getting really bored of waiting, so if these are not off this page within a week, I think I will just have to withdraw them and colour a few pictures before I put them back up. Sorreltail needs posting, and I wouldn't mind posting a few others after her either. Of course, that is the real reason i'm making these elders pistures, to give me something to do! I mean, I've even done my homework, and i am still bored! (I've been neglecting my homework a bit lately)-- Dawnfeather 07:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Can I put the black bits in the eye to make them easier to use? I know I find it easier, especially when I was just learning how to do these. I put in an example. -- Dawnfeather 07:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think that looks better. Why haven't these been approved yet! I'm going crazy over these! They're so good! 8D -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 13:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

IRC Channel
We now have a channel for PCA: #wikia-warriorcats-pca. Anyone there? If so, get on the IRC. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 20:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

What's an IRC channel? Dawnfeather 06:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It's like a chatroom. If you look on the left hand side of your page there will be a link that says 'Warriors Wiki IRC' If you click that and then add '-pca' to the end of the channel, type in a nickname and connect then you can talk to other members freely on the channel without the hassle of talk pages. (I think that's it) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 10:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

In fact, Sandy, that's exactly it. Good job. Maybe you could get on? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Whenever I get on there never seems to be anyone else! I'll try :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Whitewing- for approval
Well I said that I needed to start on something easier to start on, so I did Whitewing. Please critic [but not harshly!:)] Sandwich 989

I sorted the layout so this came under it's own section but the image is not showing up Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 20:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright Sandwich, no more .xcf for you! XD It makes the image into a white box. Use .png or.gif instead. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 20:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I know I know. XD When I was typing in png my dad told me to get off because I was in trouble, and I thought that it didn't save, but it did I guess. So what do you think? I started this because Lionheart was to hard for me. Sandwich 989

I need some help with pixel size on GIMP. Sandwich 989


 * Remember to click on the blank before using it, an I suggest just copying/pasting it, as I do it. Then use the darken tool to shade. I think you have a good second attempt, thouggh. You're just starting out. Plus, this can't be accepted until you get the correct blank size. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 12:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok ill try to find the correct size. Sandwich 989

Here's a blank for you, Sandwich. Color this one in, and you'll get the full size blank. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 01:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't edited this for a while (I have ALOT of Finals due soon!). But i managed to do this in my spare time. Sandwich 989  02:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I say there should be more shading. Many pictures now are bugging me with putting little shading on the backs. No one does it anymore....Look at some of the other accepted white cats for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 03:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The shading needs to be blended more, and you could probably use a little bit more of it too. The ears look too fluro, and there is something wrong with the eyes. -- Dawnfeather 05:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Shading! More is needed on the back (as Shimmer said), head, muzzle, front legs, tail (a little). Also, tone down the ear colour a little and try adding a blacka nd white pixel in the eyes to amke them look...alive. [Someone posted a good example of a close up of an eye on the 'Sandstorm-For Approval' section] Just because she is white doesn't mean the colour has to be flat - take a look at the approved white cats for examples. The shading will help Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 07:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Yellowfang - For Approval
I made a Yellowfang one: Mistystream 22:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

She's a medicine cat, and Charart doesn't have Medicine Cat Blanks yet. And did you use Grandient on the fur? <font face="Century Gothic" size="2" color="Violet" >Warrior♥ 23:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I moved the image over because it was going into the next section. We don't have a medicine cat blank.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 07:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Charart Mistystream. Firstly, this is not going to be accepted as a medicine cat image because it is the warrior blank and we do not have a medicine cat blank yet. There are a few other problems with the actual image however: 1) The outline colour has been changed to pale grey where it really needs to stay black 2) The background is balck and needs to be transparent 3) The cat needs to be a single pelt colour with a lot of shading, highlighting and blending to give it a realistic look. The most common areas for shading are on the belly, head, legs, tail, chest and back. Hope this helps Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

actually, it's me, Mistyfur. Yea, I know, It suckz. And I did use gradients. It is good if the cat is silver. Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

Hi Mistyfur (sorry I didn't know it was you because you didn't sign with your siggie). It doesn't suck, it just needs some work to fit in with the goals the project. [You should have seen some of my first work...GB'll tell you how awful it was ;)] You just need to keep trying and wokring on all the constructive critisism. I would suggest firstly trying a character who is actually a warrior or maybe an apprentice or kit if you'd prefer because those are the ranks we have blanks for. Then find a programme you like working with and have a go at using shading to recreate the cat. Good luck Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:17, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but don't EVER mention GB to me!!!!!!!!!! DX! Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

As you wish, I'm not getting involved in this one Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 12:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Thnx. Can I help with another character? I want to try Hawkfrost... And, I don't think I joined, I was bored so I decided to do that. Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream

Of course you can do another character. You can start working on him now and as soon as this is approved/declined (or you could withdraw it yourself) then you can post a new character. Good Luck! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does the medicine cat one have to look different though? And wasn't she a warrior too?

The medicine cat has to look different because she is of a different rank and that should be recognised. I don't remember whether Yellowfang was once a warrior; my first instincts say yes but it may be my imagination. Can anyone confirm this with a reference?? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yellowfang was never warrior. She has been medicine cat, rogue, prisoner, and then medicine cat again. Medicine cat before the books...rogue during Into the Wild and then became prisoner of ThunderClan. Then became medicine cat near the end of that book which she later died at that status. Now Mistystream could you please remember to sign with the 4 tiles, and we didn't come up with this rule for the cats at a different status to be different, Gorse did. None of us can change that, and personally I like the idea. Because of Yellowfang being a medicine cat I say this should be declined, but I do not hold that status so I shall leave it to GB or Kitsu.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 02:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that they said in the first book that 'Yellowfang had once been a warrior, which was unusual for a medicince cat.' That is not the exact wording, but it is something like it. Sandwich, can can you please sign with the time part? -- Dawnfeather 06:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawnfeather. But around the muzzle it looks pretty cool. Sandwich 989

Thanks, Sandwich! Lava

Okay. I found a reference for Yellowfang the warrior if you really want to colour her as a warrior. On page 110 of the UK version Greypaw says: "A bit. Apparently she was a warrior before she became a medicine cat, which is unusual." Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Duh, Sandy. Lava

It has a black background. That needs to be fixed. Also, it looks to small. And Misty, I'm in charge of the project right now, so if you're even gonna consider getting this approved, you'll have to put up with me ;). <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh-no! U! XD

Misty, don't host a private war with GB here, take his tips so you can make your picture better. And if you don't feel like working on it, you can always withdraw it. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I was ONLY joking! ;)

My mistake. ;) -- Bramble My Realm 21:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorm- For Approval


This is my first attempt at CharArt so it's okay if you think it's terrible. I tried to create Sandstorm. Constructive criticism needed! - Sparrowwing  talk  20:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

First off, she is too dark and has barely visible tabby markings, so you need to lighten her and add pale tabby markings. Second, the shding needs blending, and there needs to be more of it. Third, you need to fill in thje eye. (They're pale green, just to let you know) -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 20:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Stupid question: I use Gimp, how do you do the eyes? They are just black without an outline, so I don't see how to fill them in. - Sparrowwing  talk  22:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I see that the shading goes all the way around and that is unnecessary in my opinion. Try getting rid of some shading. Plus, the pink for the ear touches the outline of the ear, try making it smaller around the top. Minnowclaw 22:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

REUPLOADED Fixed color, tabby markings, and shading problems. Still don't know how to do the eyes, someone help! - Sparrowwing  talk  23:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

You might want to zoom in first so you can see your work more clearly (check under 'View'); click on the pencil tool with a set color and adjust the size if need be and then just fill in the eye. You might want to blend the shading some more. Sf <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 00:42, May 14 2009 (UTC)

I still think its a little too bright and not pale like Sandstorm. The pink in the ear is still too big and should be brought down a bit so it doesn't go out to the end and touch the outline of the ear. Minnowclaw 01:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

It needs shading, and the eyes need to be green. -- Dawnfeather 06:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I do it like this- Each 'block' is a pixel. I hope this helps. The shading needs to be darker and it needs to be blended in more. I like the tabby markings. They aren't too pale, yet they are bright enough to be obviously tabby markings. The ear is too bright. -- Dawnfeather 09:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Fixed ear, eye color, and shading problems. - Sparrowwing  talk  11:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The shading under the chin is a bit harsh, and dark. Blend it, and the rest of the shading into the pelt more. I have been thinking about Sandstorms description a bit lately, and I know my earlier comments say differently, but I think that the tabby markings are too dark. By 'pale markings' i believe they mean 'ghost markings' where the markings are actually lighter than the base colour. Does that make any sense? I like the eyes though! :D -- Dawnfeather 12:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, the outline is thin and blurred. -- Dawnfeather 12:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Fixed outline and shading problems. - Sparrowwing  talk  22:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The outline is still blurred along the back and chest... Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't know how to say this... I don't think i can "un-blur" it any more. I don't see how it's blurred... but I'll try. - Sparrowwing  talk  11:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

What there saying is that the outline seems smeared. Look at the near top of the ear. And the pelt seems to...dark. --<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 17:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

This is nice, except that the pelt looks rather smudgy, and the shading stands out to long on the neck. Blur the shading a bit more as well. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Better try, but the markings are too visible and I think you put brown paint and blended it down for shading. Try using the burn or, in my program, "darken" tool to add shading or the dodge, or "lighten" tool, to add highlights if you want to add them. And I agre with Bramble on the pelt smudginess and the neck shading. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 21:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry I have to sound harsh, but this needs better shading. I think this could really look good after you shade it correctly, and I think that you might get this accepted after you work ou the shading. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 22:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hazeltail (For Approval)


I noticed that Hazeltail didn't have any character art, and I love her to death, so I decided to color her! I did my best to try to make her gray markings look realistic. I used a tutorial and a few references to get her to look just right. I'm no expert, though, and any help you can give is greatly appreciated! Also, if something looks wrong, please tell me how to fix it. "It looks bad" doesn't tell me anything. --Goldencloud 00:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * EDIT1 After multiple attempts, I finally got the new version to upload. I separated the gray patches, and gave her white-tipped ears and tail. Also darkened shadows. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT2 I rounded out the splotches. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT3 I randomized the splotches just a little bit. I hope I didn't go overboard again. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the problem is that she needs separate patches like Brightheart's not one huge wavy patch. Try putting white in between them. -- Ms <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">T C 01:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did, and I do think it looks better now. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The ear needs some gray or white on it, and there needs to be more shading aroung the outside. Maybe a highlight too? -- Dawnfeather 06:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I put white tips on her ears. I tried giving her highlights, but it was hard to see on top of her white fur. I didn't add shading around the outside because the light-source is coming from overhead, not from the "camera". --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this looks awesome! Sandwich 989
 * Thank you! :D --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

This is very pretty, Goldencloud. I think it might look better though with a patch of gray on the belly, to break up the white a little more in that section. And maybe shrink the ear pink so it doesn't take up the whole ear. Other than that this is beautiful. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bramble! I had added a gray patch on her belly, but it looked odd there so I tried to expand the splotch on her back so there's less white space there. I also shrunk the ear pink a little bit. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the patches look unnatural, try making them more rounded, not all wavy and curvy and random. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 22:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I rounded them off. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it, but, like everyone else said, the patches look wavy..--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 00:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I did round them off a bit, especially the one on her back. It does look a lot better now. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be fussy, but now they look very round, and even. Make then shapes a bit more random. -- Dawnfeather 02:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks awesome, but it could use shading on the chest.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 15:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, shading on the chest would be wrong. Thanks!--Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Warrior's right - shading is also needed on the back Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be shading on the back. The light is coming from over her head, not from the camera. --Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look right having both the veritcal part of her chest and the vertical part of her neck without shading. Chose one to put shading on, but only for that small section. -- Dawnfeather 07:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Graystripe- For Approval
Yep, I'm trying a more important character... But after this I'm going back to those hardly mentioned ones ^^. I thought he deserved it.--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 05:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm having trouble showing the right image, the one with tons of tabby marks is not mine! So if that's what is showing up... --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 05:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I gave up and renamed the file... --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 06:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Shading? I love the texture though - it's awesome! -- Dawnfeather 10:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Tried to up the shading a bit... it's hard with texture. Thank you. --<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 13:08, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The smudginess of the image is the problem, it looks smudged all over. Try using the blurtool on this one. Other than that, I've seen many Graystripes up for approval, and I think this one is the best one yet. Great job, DH (I'll call you that from now on :) -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 21:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I tried to blur it a little, is it enough? *hopes the right image is showing*--<font color="black" style="background:red">DarkHallows Lair 05:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not trying to make things especially difficult for you, but the front needs more shading. :) About PebbleForest, which clan Shadestar leads is first come, first serve. If Sparrowwing and Littlestar get their Join applications in first, you will only have a choice of two clans. -- Dawnfeather 09:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks good, but it looks like he has a dark gray stripe running down his back and one black paw instead of shading.;)--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 21:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like this! I love the texture-ness of the fur. The only thing I would do is add some shading at the bases of his paws. Looking great! --Goldencloud 02:19, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * He looks more silver to me than gray...but other than that he looks good.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 03:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that the gray stipe should be blended more if possible. Otherwise, really good! -- Dawnfeather 05:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I darkened the color, added leg shading and blended the gray stripe. Anything else?--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 06:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Image still not showing up... -file name change!- Alright, done.--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 06:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe a tiny bit of shading down the chest? Other than that, it is purr-fect -- Dawnfeather 07:48, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Anything else?--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 17:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this should be approved now. Nice work! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 17:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but he looks kind of tie-dyed--<font color="Blue" style="background:Orange">Nightgaze <font color="Orange" style="background:Blue">Rawr! 19:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Tie-dyed...? Erm... how?--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 20:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Bumblekit for Approval

 * I've been wanting to do this lil guy for so long and now I've finally got the chance. There's only a few things I have to say. One, I'm going to make him have a transparent background later on. The second thing I would like to add is, give me feedback on his stripes. I know they are horizontal running across his back, but I can't just picture a cat with straight horizontal lines, so I gave them a little wave at the end. I thought he would have been perfect for a long haired base since Graystripe is after all, but I couldn't get the background to turn white without erasing the outline.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 05:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The stripes and shading on his right (our left) side are too long. You don't need more shading, but the outside edges should be a little bit darker. You might want to try adding a highlight too. -- Dawnfeather 05:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

He needs more shading around the head and the front legs. Also, some of the stripes, particularly on our right, are a little smudged where they've been flicked. I think you were right not to do them straight because a cat is not flat (!) but they shouldn't be smudged Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 07:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated Here he is now. I added some highlight, added the extra shading that was needed, and made the lines darker on his right.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It's better but I don't like the highlights...it looks like he's bene playing in white paint. Perhaps get rid of them, or make them smaller and blend them in more Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Bluefur(star)-For approval



 * My favorite leader, a noble cat, but there's no leader blanks... So I did Bluefur as a warrior, and I hope this is up to my standards. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 13:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I love the colour you've chosen and I can't see much wrong except that the ear pink seems to be spilling over the whole ear and needs to be more traiangle shaped. Also the highlights could be blended more, especially on the back and muzzle. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks like to me there's to much ear pink, and it looks like its spilled out of the ear a bit.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 16:21, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I updated, and the highlight on the muzzle is the silver tinge of lining. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 16:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks great! :)--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 17:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually think that the fur could be a bit bluer. -- Dawnfeather 22:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I can't do color changes, and I tries to make it bluer after I got this colour, but then it looked unnatural. -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 00:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay then. At the base of the tail where the shading is, there seems to be a line of stronger colour, away from the body a bit. Is there a reason, or is it just a 'image typo' as I'm begginning to think of them. Also, the highlights look a little weird, like the are just smudges of a lighter colour. Make them a bit darker or something. I'm not sure.

Other than that I think that these are (also) ready for approval. -- Dawnfeather 07:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the highlights look like that, and I use the lighten tool for highlights. Plus, that line on the tail is tail shading. (By the way Dawnfeather, your elder blanks should be accepted :) -- Mallinois <font color="Lime" style="background:Silver">Herding Talk 11:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean that there is a spot of darkness, but closer to the body it gets lighter. Shouldn't it be the same? -- Dawnfeather 12:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather, I think she meant to do that for the shading of the tail.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 15:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

It also needs some shading between the front and back leg. -- Dawnfeather 22:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather's right - the belly and space between the front and back legs needs shading. Other than that, this is looking good. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 11:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Finally! The changes ahow! I liked the old version better, though. -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 13:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The old highlights looked better to me, but it looks great!:)--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 16:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Reedwhisker-For Approval


My first try...--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 00:48, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * First, you need to redo this because you need to use a lighter black for shading. Second, the ear pink isn't blended, and the eye has no life to it. -- M T • C • E 01:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * OK, but when on go on GIMP, the smudge tool won't work..at all...Why?--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 01:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Mal, I think you mean; 'You need a lighter black so you can do shading.'. Sorry if I am overly fussy!

Look at my pixels of an eye in the Sandstorm section for how to do the eye. I had trouble with GIMP too, so I gave up and used www.pixlr.com instead. Works like a dream. Other than that, I agree with everything Mal said. -- Dawnfeather 07:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Can't help you with GIMP at all I'm afraid but take Dawnfeather's advice and use a different programme if it won't work - I don't use GIMP so am no use there. Choose a very dark grey, almost black for his pelt colour and use the darken tool to add shading in relevant places. Also, you're going to need to blend the ear in to make it look natural too Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 11:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded! I used pixlr, and blended the ear. I used lighter black. I did put shading, it just hard to see ,and fixed the eye. How does it look?--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Better but still needs work. The ear pink needs to be a darker pink (see the approved black cats for reference). Also, the shading is just a lack splodge...try blending it into the edge of the pelt [without blurring the outline] and maybe add highlights as well to make it more realistic. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 17:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yay! I haven't died!!! Ok, he looks good, except the shading looks kinda... blotchy. Could you make it look more natural?

I re-did it completely, and added highlights. --<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 23:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Mintkit and Sagekit - For Approval


Okay, as you may have guessed, I have a whole stack of characters saved on my computer from when the project was running slowly and nothing was being approved. I'm slowly working through getting them approved so I can work on some new ones! Here are Mintkit and Sagekit from SkyClan. I've used the descriptions as mentioned in the allegiances so Mintkit is the tabby she-cat and Sagekit is the pale grey tom. Comments? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 11:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Bramble once posted more than one (Bouncepaw, Rockpaw, and Tinypaw), and now it isn't preferred, but I think these look great. Just one thing:Which gender is preferred, because their genders get mixed up a lot -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 13:07, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I just followed the allegiances in which mintkit is a she-kit and sagekit is a tom. (And sorry, I forgot about that...) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, wait. In the allegiances it says:Mintkit-pale gray tom, Sagekit-grey tabby she-cat. You used the right genders. (And I see which one is Dovekit...)-- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 13:44, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Allegiances Firestar's Quest ... Mintkit is the tabby she-kit on the left and Sagekit is the pale grey (longhaired) on the right (and yes, the longhaired was Dovekit but works equally well for Sagekit!) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay peoples, I thought this was about the image! :) Anyway, the shading on Sagekit's chest is really big, and should be smaller. Mintkit's eyes are really pale, and would look better darker. Also, the tabby markings are ultrathin, and you missed a little patch on her left, at the bottom. (our right). Other than that, these are wonderful. I see what you mean about making a large stokpil;e of images. I've been doing that since I first got on herein March. I posted A bad Hollyleaf which I took off within the week, and left Mousefur and the Elderblanks. I thought I would be best to not put anymore at that time. The the new rule came in and I haven't been able to put on anything else since! :D -- Dawnfeather  06:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfrost-For approval.
Well...Here is the first character art that I've made. What say you? Smokeberry 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's really good for a first image! I just think there are 3 things you could improve on: 1.) Make the eye have a pupil. It looks kinda like it doesn't. 2.) Make the tabby making thinner, blend them a little more, and make them jagged Ys. Use Squirrelflight as an example. 3.) Make the shading a tad bit darker. Other than that, It looks awesome!

Thanks! I'll fix that right away. Smokeberry 21:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The image has been changed...Is it better now? Smokeberry 21:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Smokeberry, you didn't read the notice:One image at a time, so you'll have to wait for Jayfeather and Cinderfur, who by the way don't have their blanks yet. On this one, the tabby markings are dots and lines. Try using the jagged lines like Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Dustpelt, and Brownpaw, or use the wavy ones like Heathertail -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 00:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Mallinois is right Smokeberry. Also, the ear is way too pink - that would need to be sorted as well. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Jaypaw and Cinderfur-for approval
I think that no one has made these character arts yet...I'm not sure, to tell you the truth. Smokeberry 21:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Project Character Art! One thing: 1.)THere is no medicine cat apprentice blank, so you will have to delete Jaypaw. Sorry....--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 23:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actuaully, he's a medicine cat now since Leafpool leaft and GB said only one image at a time. Plus, Cinderfur was a deputy, and there's no deputy blank. Plus, the tabby stripe are tto wierd and unnatural. -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 00:03, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Woah woah woah whoa whoa whoa whoa...Leafpool left?<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989 03:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, apprantly. Can we please not go into much detail though because there is already a forum on it in chatterbox, and I am trying not to find any more spoilers. The only thing I will say is that most people think she is coming back. I agree with most of the above; Jaypaw is a Medicine cat apprentice/medicinecat/kit (we are doing them in all stages of life remember?), but other than that kit stage, you can't draw him. Cinderfur was a warrior once, but the colour is unnatural, as are the tabby stripes. -- Dawnfeather 06:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)