Forum:PCA is Closing

You don't know how much I regret this, but this is what it's come to. I'm sorry, but I've decided to close Project Character Art. It's not fun anymore; just a bunch of petty squabbles and fights. I'm so tired of all these arguments. And the excess images! People think it's 'the thing' to upload images when they're bored, when they want, and when a new user pops up. I see images on every talk page, some that don’t even belong there. The Project contributed to this mess; people see the pictures and think, "Oh, I'm supposed to upload a ton!"

And look at the other Projects; no one pays attention to them. It's always ‘PCA this!’ and ‘PCA that!’ We have an excess amount of users that only do art, and think that’s the only thing they can be doing. I’ve known users who joined just to become part of this Project; the articles fell onto the waiting list, and cat pictures took over. Even now, with the Projects stepping back up, there is still little attention paid to them while there are 40 or so edits to the Project Art talk page within an hour. We need to start acting as an encyclopedia, not a humongous gallery. PCA, PCA, PCA, and oh, PCA, is going to have to stop.

I was hoping I would not have to do this; I really was. I loved this Project and working with it, eventually growing to the Project leader. However, I see that this is the only solution to this mess. There is a small possibility that the Project will reopen some time in the future, but do not expect it to be soon. Not unless we start discussing what we can do to improve the sections of World, Books, and Characters, and leave the “Didn’t I reserve this?” and “Can you make me…” behind. Feel free to be disappointed; you have no idea how deeply I am. I’ve been discussing this with Insane and Sandy, and though they were reluctant to accept this point of thinking, I’ve convinced them. Show us that the users here can focus on the content of our articles, instead of thinking of which character to show next, and we’ll consider opening it again. Thank you; and again, I’m sorry. -- Bramble 00:08, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA DOWN! PLEASE! -SOBS SO HARD- IT'S MY FAVORITE PROJECT IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD! PLEASEEEE!!!! MAYBE WE COULD FORCE THE PEOPLE TO STOP MAKING DUPLICATE IMAGES! PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA! I WILL LEAVE THE WIKI!!!! Ice Spring is here! 00:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NO NO NO!!!!!!! PCA is sooooo much fun! And I do my best to contribute to the other projects.... OH PLEASE BRAMBlE, DON"T CLOSE IT!!!!! Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 00:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I just joined!! It was so much fun.... Willow -pool  00:44, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Bramble, I assure you this is not a good idea. Many users will be extremely unhappy and will hunt you down. Many users put a lot of work into being a good warrior on PCA. --  N i g h t s h i n e     Ü     00:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

-evil grin- This is an April Fool's Joke, isn't it? What kind of coincidence is that? →  Batteh   ←  00:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

I believe that, Bramble. And actually, despite how much I love the project, I hate the competition over how many images approved, and the senior warriors. And I admit, I do believe that we could act more as an encyclopidia. Isn't that the point of a wiki? Not to make art, but to have information in all of our articles? A wiki is like a mini wikipedia, devoted to one topic, isn't it? If that's they case, we really could use some help, paticularily we have 1000+ articles, and less than 100 are up to standard (If I'm being to fussy, the less than 75). That is less than 10%.

I appreciate that you explained your reasoning. And however much I may miss the project, the point of wikis are to inform, not to draw.

And Blue, Bramble is serious. Maplefern Carrying the torch... 00:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I thought my Crookedstar was pretty good. =/ Now it will never get approved! Ice Spring is here! 00:28, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE NOO KEEP IT UP PLEASE! People take a lot of time and patience to make those for others to get an image about what the characters look like! Dawnleaf 00:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Dawnleaf

I know you all are upset. But I'm sure Bramble thought long and hard about this. WW isn't made for art. It's about giving people accuret information. How can we do that when most of are articles need improvents NOT related to Charart. -- Moonflight Come The Dark Side. We Have Catnip... 00:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'd just like to give people my standpoint on this change as well, so you can see it from another perspective. Even before I was an admin I could see the problems Bramble has outlined - constant uploading of unnecessary images, squabbling over which chararts to do, and neglect of the other projects. These issues all weaken the wiki, and the only way to really solve them was to remove the catalyst for all this, Project Charart. Originally I had been against this decision, thinking it was just Bramble getting fed up, but Bramble, Sandy, and I, have discussed this at great length, and both Sandy and I have come to realize that Bramble is right. It's a shame that we had to close something that was the reason many users love this wiki, but the project was close to being completed anyways, with only a few images that aren't already done. I hope people who devoted a lot of time to this project can find pleasure in editing the articles instead, and it's worth saying that they are the reason the wiki was made, with PCA being the icing on the cake. Now that the other projects are revived, they need new members to progress. I suppose I can't speak for Project World, but I know both Books and Characters would welcome any new members who wanted to lend a hand. Once again, I am sorry to those who liked this project, but it was a necessary decision to make, however difficult. I hope you can understand why we had to do this, and that it isn't too much of an inconvenience. Thank you. insaneular   Talk  00:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Insane, could you please adress the April Fools theory? →  Batteh   ←  00:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!


 * I hadn't read the above yet when I wrote that. Well, what do you mean, "April fools theory"? We're not talking about a future warriors book. This isn't about 'theories'. What Bramble and I have said is all we can really say. I'd like to think we're not the type to joke about this kind of stuff.  insaneular    Talk  00:44, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

World could do with more members but PLEASE DON'T CLOSE PCA DOWN! Ice Spring is here! 00:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * April Fools Theory, meaning, users think that closing PCA down is a joke for April 1. →   Batteh   ←  00:48, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

Can you at least wait until all of the currently existing characters minus the ones without descriptions have art? Please? Raven Randomness!  00:49, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Just the date doesn't make it a joke. In fact, for Bramble and I, (And the rest of the US) it's still March 31st. So don't assume it is. And to Ravenflight, sorry, but the decision is made, and it can't really go back now. insaneular   Talk  00:51, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

According to the timestamp, it is April 1. Could it really be a coincidence? →  Batteh   ←  00:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!

Aw, that's too bad. I know I've never been a huge fan of PCA, but I have to agree with the Sysop's reasoning. I do feel sorry for all you artists, though... I understand that this was probably very fun for you. D= Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 00:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * The timestamp goes by GMT, which is 5 hours faster than where I live (and 6 hours faster than Bramble I believe). If we wanted to do an April fools joke, wouldn't we do it on April first for us?  insaneular    Talk  00:54, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Farewell, PCA. I was never a large part of it, but I'll miss looking at the images evolving on the PCA talk. And by the way, will you edit the Charcat so that there isn't a big space for the image at the top? Raven Randomness!  00:57, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * No need for that; we're keeping all the old images so we need the image space. We'll just leave the noimage for the rest  insaneular    Talk  00:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some users won't be on till morning. What if they get on tomorrow and see their precious PCA gone? →   Batteh   ←  00:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)!
 * I don't get what you mean. They'd see it gone eventually...?  insaneular    Talk  00:59, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I definitely agree with the sentiment. Project World is probably the most neglected project, but it also has the biggest job to do. Hopefully it will get more attention now. Raven Randomness!  01:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

What will happen to my Sharpclaw blanks.....?--  N i g h t s h i n e     Ü     01:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Im not even apart of this wikia anymore but this is stupid! Bramble, everyone loves this and this is just crazy! It's not like you can control everything, Im not being mean or anything but this is horrible! Zuko I've learned my own Destiny
 * cries* ☯Sgt. Pepper's☯ Lonely Hearts Club Band 01:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Wetstream, but I agree; hardly any work on the other projects are being done. PCA had like, 40 members, while Project World has only 15-20. As I said before, I never was a fan of PCA, but we must respect the sysop's decision and move on. :) Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 01:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sigh...I guess I'll move on....Poor Dawncloud (W).... ☯Sgt. Pepper's☯ Lonely Hearts Club Band 01:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't want this to happen. But I agree with you Bramble. Just a question, what will happen to the pictures in approval/ that need to be done? Because my first picture hasn't even been approved yet....-- Bramblepath Brightshadow is mine! 01:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Mine hasn't either, but I'm not sure if it ever will.-- Moonflight Come The Dark Side. We Have Catnip... 01:21, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO! PLEASE I LOVE THIS PROJECT! I HAVEN'T EVEN GOT ONE IMAGE APPROVED YET!!!!!!! *tears fill eyes and stream down whiskersSnowstorm! 01:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not Bramble, but I'm sure that any images that were in the For Approval stage are gone now. Oh well, at least you guys HAD Project Charart. Who knows? Maybe if we all contribute to the other projects and focus on making this wiki the best it can be, then they'll bring back PCA again. :) Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 01:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, again; perhaps a touch more warning was necessary, but I wanted to make the point. Please note the 'may be re-opened in the future' line as Shigura has; there may be a time when your images can come back, so keep them in reserve. -- Bramble 01:26, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

One less thing to check every day. Downside: that is ALL I DO ON THIS WIKI. So, bye, I guess. Jmiles Clicky, Clicky!!! 01:27, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd just like to say Bramble, not arguing, just pointing out that a lot of users might:
 * Try to make their own PCa
 * put their own pictures on articles
 * Clutter up their user page with pictures they made.
 * And from what I"m hearing, leave the wiki.

Thisd is like a strike. Is this really worth what it will cost and will the wiki still function? Once again, I'm just pointing out.-- Bramblepath Brightshadow is mine! 01:30, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, why can't bramble just leave PCA and make Sandy leader. Not trying to be rude to bramble or anything it's just an idea. And if this project does close down, I'm leaving this wikiSnowstorm! 01:32, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm confident that the wiki will function the same, speaking as someone who does not just do PCA. And this might sound harsh, but if people add their own images, that is just what the rollback button is for. After all, even now we remove unapproved pictures IPs put up. And please don't attack Bramble, it was as much me and Sandy as it was her. She's not just doing it because of personal frustrations, it was because of legitimate reasons that hopefully, once you have gotten over this shock, you can understand from our point of view. Also, I would advise people not to leave the wiki- there's plenty else to do, and as Bramble said, if we can clean up our act, just maybe PCA will come back. insaneular   Talk  01:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not trying to attack bramble, just I want this to stay! I'm not good at writing or any of the other projects. So this project was my only way to contribute to wiki. I'm sorry insane but I just can't contribute without this project.Snowstorm! 01:37, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure you can! If you join another project, you can fix spelling mistakes, add references, and expand the history sections! Think of it as an information hunt- searching through the books to put in information! And also, let's just say someone wanted info on Barley and Ravenpaw manga- we don't have the summary for the newest book, so if you added that, you just helped someone! So many possibilities! =D <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 01:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, good bye PCA. Ice Spring is here! 01:41, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I can't contribute to other projects because I borrow the books from my friend so I can't search through them and I suck and geography and writing. So, goodbye warriors wiki.<font color="#33FF00">Snowstorm! 01:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I won't say anything else. It is your decisions to make, and I'll respect that. WWiki will miss so many active editors. D': <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 01:46, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

dont worry about everyone it will be reopen but as for now we can all do some other projects like characters Iceyfang 02:10, April 1, 2010 (UTC)iceyfang

NOOOOOOOO I do this so much :'( NOOOOO PLEASE NOOO I LOVE THIS PAGE SO MUCH FUNN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  Moon  pelt   02:15, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm waiting for the April Fool coming from Bramble :(. ♣Gaelic  Irish♣  02:33, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

If this seriously is ntot a joke....could you still keep the blanck chararts up so, everyone cud continue making chararts but NOT post it on this wiki...?Dawnleaf 02:39, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Dawnleaf

As much as I'm dissapointed, I have to admit that all of the "Didn't I reserve this?" and "I reserved this first" has been pretty agrivating for the past couple weeks, and has made being in the project almost not enjoyable. I admire the decision to close the Project, and I hope that people will start contributing to the other Projects some more. -- I c y -  c h a n   s a y s   h e  l l  o !   02:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that it's closing. I agree that there's a lot of arguing, but it's mostly from people not bothering to look at the list of reserved images. I suppose I'll be okay if the blanks are still on the site, though. What'll happen to the charcat template's image, though? Will the ones with chararts stay and the rest just stay blank? -- Gοlδεnpαω Appare! 02:53, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

You know why people are so happy about PCA is because it's fun. Think about the people who are upset about you closing this. Think about actually SOLVING the problem instead of closing it and giving up. Please Bramble, just think. The other projects aren't complaining about having little people. So why is it are problem! If they want more people they should say it! Just think about it! I'm not trying to be mean and but I have already have said my good byes =(<font color="#33FF00">Snowstorm! 03:09, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hey, this is good news! It means that if someone creates a charart, it does not have to go through the bureaucratic Approval phase - he/she just uploads it to the character's article (or replaces the old one if it is better)! This is how a wiki should work! :) On a more serious note, I agree that you should have waited a few more hours to post this... It's 7AM here in Europe, so I instantly knew what was this about... but I guess that in the US it's still 31st... Helixtalk 04:56, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yuou can't do whatever you want, Bramble. Sandy and Insane aren't the only ones in PCA. bESIDes, leave if you want to. -- ≈៛₪¥ -§₰₪₥≈  09:33, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ivy, that is rudeness. Bramble has been a member of WWiki for a very long time, and as I have been browsing through archives, I know that both she and Sandy loved the PCA so much that they would not close it without a very strong reason. And Helix, it is not just for the uploader of an image to decide of it is better than the existing image or not. The whole community contributed there. I admit that I could use more members in Project World, with the task we have. And people, as Bramble has said, show that you can edit constructively on character, book, and world articles, and there's a good chance that you might get PCA back. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  09:52, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOO! I hate u Helix! This is like choppin off part of the wiki. About 100 users will leave this wiki if Bramble continues. PLEASE DONT DO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *weeps and weeps* <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:aqua">Zoe27 13:38, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

OH COME ON!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:'( Evanphoto 13:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

This message is originally between mine and icethroats (but and edit conflict occured...):

Ok, now that I have read all the comments I agree. Most people only come on here for PCA anymore. That's not what is supposed to happen. And all those Reservation issues and an Influx of new users uploasding images that would take a very long time to approve, I can see why Bramble closed it. Besides, this is a wiki, not an art contest. And anyway, most, if not all, articles already have images in at least 1 or more rank. Also, with =some users threatening to leave the wiki: that's just kind if dumb. This wiki isn't about art, its about helping it become the best informational warriors site. Now, I also take my fair share of blame. Before now I would only come one here and leave. But no longer. I will now help out articles in need. Just one question: CharArt up for Approval, will thsoe stay up until approved, then closing? ♣Gaelic Irish♣  14:05, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

But Bramble, there's always been four projects! ( get it? four clans? ahhhhhhh the power of dumb jokes.)<font color="#33FF00">Snowstorm! 14:07, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE KEEP IT UP! U DONT KNOW HOW MANY USERS WILL QUUIT THIS!!!!!!! AND THEN WHO WILL EDIT THE PAGES WHEN WE ALL LEAVE?? MMM EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?!?!?! PLEASE KEEP IT UP!!!!! Weedfrost 14:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)Weedfrost

Even though I love PCA, I understand why you're closing it. It was fun while it lasted, but it's not the point of this wiki.--173.72.133.39 14:44, April 1, 2010 (UTC) forgot to log in when i posted this XP.-- Snowflight  1  Thank StarClan Newleaf is here!  14:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Ugh... I'll never be able to have even one charart approved... I understand about this, and all the comments that aren't saying, "NO!" are right. This progect is like ThunderClan, the main thing. The other projects REALLY need our help, and well, even though I can't see Littlecloud approved, it was fun just TRYING. Honestly, if PCA never existed, and say, Project Characters was the biggest thing around, you'd be like this too, and forget about the other Projects (Lol i don't know if that makes sense) So if you're one of those 'quitters', then you'll miss out on PCA re-opening again. I'm sure MANY users have said that it'll reopen if we TRY OUR BEST on the other projects and I believe that this is true. Just because one part of the wikia has gone, doesn't mean you have to go 'Bye bye!' I mean, it's like you've missed part of your Maths lesson so you decide to just leave. And think about it, friends you've made here will be gone, so there's no point in quitting. Also, Bramble, PLEASE keep the blanks up. I'd liek to use them for my site. FULLEST credit to the wikia, makers and everyone else. Please. Birchy I am a warrior at heart...  15:35, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * sigh* Although, I understand your reasoning Bramble, Sandy, and Insane, there are a lot of people who are now very angry and disappointed about this. And now, this one page has many arguments and people making threats of leaving the wiki. And, I've worked really hard to get up to senior warrior status. But, I am now noticing that I've not contributed much to this to wiki but PCA matters and such. So, I hope to contribute more now that PCA is closed and join other projects to make the wiki better. So, although I am disappointed, this might be a good thing for everyone. So, I'm definitely not one-sided about this. -- Ŧ∆ķ მ♰§  ƱოΣ  15:09, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I really hope you'll read all these messages, Bramble. :) I've already seen that Ice has put up a message that she is leaving WWiki because of the closing of PCA, and I'm sure she won't be the only one. I totally understand your motives, Bramble, but I think we should try and figure a way around the arguing instead of closing down. I'm sorry - it's easy for me to say this as I don't have messages filling up my talk page about reservations and mistunderstandings, but I believe that we should stay open. I've enjoyed every minute of being in PCA. I love art and drawing and I found it so fun and a way to make friends, which isn't easy for me. It's been great to cooperate with people of the same interests as me. I'm not going to plead with you. I'm going to express my view and let you decide. Has this ever happened before? If not, I think we all deserve a second chance with the knowledge that this will be the result if we continue to argue over reservations and misunderstood messages. I want you to know that I will put up a petition below to keep PCA open. -Laughs dryly- I'm not entirely sure that it'll work, but I'm going to give it a try. Thanks, ☼ Misty ☼  Here comes the summer...  16:08, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

PCA isn't the main part of this wikia. I, pesronally think Bramble is right. Users have been focusing on PCA most of the time and the other Porojects ahve been neglected. I would like it if you let us use the blanks though as we like to create cats from our own Clans. I am really upset about not becoming a warrior but I am glad about what I achieved as an apprentice. I have seen this coming for a while and have signed up to other projects. I promise that I will work hard every day to edit the pages until PCA re-opens. I will not sign the petition because I think users could do with a change. What about the articales? This is a Wikiapedia, not a place for people to gaze at art-work. If we focus on the main idea of the Wikia then maybe PCA will re-open. I am trying not to be narrow-minded (Sorry to those users who don't want PCA to close) and I think a break will be good. Just to make this clear: I do not want the PCA to close I just want a break and some hard work on the articales. I AM A LOYAL MEMBER OF PCA BUT PLEASE READ ABOVE TO SEE WHY I WILL NOT SIGN THE PETITION. Fawnstorm The Dark Forest are rising...  16:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Petition Against PCA Closure
Just so everyone understands, I'm not looking for a fight. I'll accept Bramble's decision but I want her to know how many loyal members of PCA there are ;D Sign below:

I am against the closing of PCA ;D ☼ Misty ☼  Here comes the summer...  16:08, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

So am I! <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:aqua">Zoe27 16:14, April 1, 2010 (UTC)