Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Adding Ages to Character Charts?
Hey everyone~ I'm here to do what I do: make suggestions.

I'm of the opinion that, for characters we have this information on anyway, we should include ages on charcats. (For dead cats, it'd be the age they died at.)

In example, on Firestar's chart it'd say that he is approximately 7 years of age.

We'd only do this for characters we know the ages of, without guessing at it, and doing this would allow us to provide even more information on characters than we already do. Not to mention, with out handy Events Timeline, it'd be a snap.

Comments? 00:15, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea Shelly! But of course, only some cats will get ages. You have my support. 00:37, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, only some cats: the major characters. I like this idea. 00:38, 25, 02, 2012

I like it! 8D Where would it be added though? Just on the Charcat? I think thatd be the best place. And can we just put unknown for the age, rather than leaving it off? Anons will probably eventually start to ask why there's no ages on some, but I think it'd be fine if it just said unknown. But anyways, great idea. ^^ 00:39, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

^^ Yeah. It'l bring up contributive edits for sure. 00:41, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I like this too! 8D I agree with Paleh for it to be on the charcat. @Rowan, this isn't about getting edits up, but for improving the articles. 00:44, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

-Shall be the pessimistic one- While this is a good idea, don't you think it'd be a bit odd to add in ages of only a few characters, meanwhile about maybe 65% - 75% of the characters would be missing this information? Only few characters would have this available information, thus I'm not convinced of making it a part of a characters article.

There's also the bit about years. Since all character articles use the terms used within the books, wouldn't it be odd to use a "human term"? An easy substitute is that would be using the term, "moon", however that'd also add a bit more precision to our estimates. And even with the timeline, I feel like we'd still be guessing at the age of a particular cat.

Anyways, my little outtake on this idea. Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, but I don't think we should carry out given the pros and cons presented currently. 03:42, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I understand your concerns, and I'll carefully debunk them in order:

1: How many of our character articles ever have everything there may be to have on them? Some have post-death residence, some don't, all depending on whether or not we actually know where they ended up when they died. This is the same exact concept. Nothing different. Making it a part of the character articles will allow us to provide all of the information we have on characters, which is our job.

2: Sure, we can go with moons if you're concerned about terminology. But I think approx. years or even approx. seasons would work as well. Not everything we do on here has to follow Clan vernacular.

3: Our timeline has the information down as best as we know it, which is the best that the books provide, which is as accurate as it's going to get. We know that Firestar is 7, nearly 8. Dovewing and Ivypool are both 1, nearly 2. When Lionheart died, he was approximately 5.

I still think that this is a good idea, in short. 04:13, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Strange. I suggested this months ago and it got shot down :S  04:37, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I refuse to be shot down. ಠ益ಠ 04:38, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

XD We all love Shelly's argument mode. But, this is a great idea. In my opinion, this could actually really improve the articles. And maybe, when they find out all these ages, people will stop tormenting Firestar's age xD 09:31, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, Shelly. Dat face. Both Shelly and Atelda have good points. If we decide to go through with this it would be a terrific addition to character pages. 01:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Shelly's points have proven that this is still in the running for going in the charcats. I agree still. 01:35, 03, 03, 2012

I agree with this idea. 14:56, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

So shall this go to a vote or can we just do it? 01:48, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's a simple matter to resolve, but shall the ages be in moons or year? Also, we have a citation (how to cite it will be a different matter if decided on)? Otherwise, we need only to add it to the template and add it to the characters. 01:57, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think moons, with years in parenthesis. Or seasons would work better, even... And yeah, citations are important. Adding it to the templates should be easy, too. 02:02, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

So, for citations, would we just cite the timeline or what? 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

I guess that we should cite the timeline... 15:49, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
I figured making a new section rather than just commenting would get this a bit more attention.....

Anyways, due to the false cite problem that was recently discovered, I've been trying to think of a way to show that the page's cites have been verified. I was thinking maybe we could put a template of some sort at the top of the pages saying "This page's references are of questionable authenticity" and that only reliable members (maybe such as members of the project?) could remove it. That way we know that the pages are checked. Or maybe we could make a new template that has the cite in it, but also shows that it's questionable whether it's a real cite or not. I don't know, I just think we should have something so we have a way of knowing when the references have been checked (or haven't) on some pages. Those are just some of the ideas I came up with. Feel free to shoot them down. 22:15, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I acctually like this, becuase it gives an option for people to do even if they don't own the book and question the accuracy and veracity of an article. 22:39, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. You know it's a good idea if Kitsu supports it. xDDDD

I like it too. It would be a nice addition to the page, and we'd be able to narrow down those references that are false, most of them added in by Wikia Contributors. It's actually quite annoying, because most of the time, they look like good edits, when in fact they're not. Excellent idea, Paleh. 05:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds good, all though it would be a bit confusing- expecially for newer users, it sounds like it could work. As Kit said, it gives users the option to put the reference up, even if they're not 100% sure it's factual. Good find Paleh. 09:50, 28, 02, 2012

This does sound like a good idea to me. I agree completely. 21:24 February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful idea, Paleh, I agree with this. 02:40, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like it. It would work well, looking at the all the links in the articles, and it would provide something for us who are looking for something to do on that spare weekend. I'd say also having a category for it, to point out all articles that would need work. I'll fiddle around with a box later, if more people agree, when I'm less tired and it's not 10:30. xD 03:27, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Although, we could make a page, with all the articles that haven't been looked over. 00:34 Thu Mar 1

Woah Kit actually supported one of my ideas. o.o Thanks guys. And Sweet, that'd work to a certain extent, but what stops more false cites being added? If we made a page it'd have to be constantly updated everytime a cite is added, unless the person who sees it first has the book to check. 15:31, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

If we could get a list of people who are participating in the "cite" thing, maybe we could assign people to articles, and have them check the cites maybe, every 2 weeks? There are a lot of character articles, but if a lot of people participate, I think it'd work. 13:20 Sat Mar 3

I agree with Sweet ^^ Maybe we could add a category of users participating and a category for the pages that need citation checks...or whatever we're calling them =P 12:57, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

I feel that a template would be fine, but a category or list of people participating would be unnecessary I feel. 15:33, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful idea! I feel this would really help out in making sure pages are 100% factual. 21:59, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ken and Jean - Separate Them?
This article is the only character article that has planned status. I want to see if I can change that. :)

Before I start digging in, I want to see if anyone would like to separate them. I personally believe that we should. I know that they're not major characters, but we've made article for cats without names, so I see no reason why each character shouldn't have their own pages. What do you guys think? Leave your thoughts down below and I'll weigh both sides and possibly create a vote accordingly. :) 15:51, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but didn't we make articles for Sol's Father and Leafstar's Mother simply because they had relevance to their individual plots? With Ken and Jean, the two are only relevant to the plot together, in my opinion. There'd be a lot less to write about them seperately than together, at least in Jean's case. 15:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I always wondered why they weren't separate. I think they should be, because they are different characters. Their individual roles should still be acknowledged, no matter how small. Look at the allegiances-only cats. They have articles of their own, even though we'll probably never see them do anything important in the books, because they're still characters. 17:49, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, they are seperate characters, and should be treated as such. 21:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Runningnose ~ Silver Nomination
I added in Night Whispers...I don't see that much more to add but anywho comments? 21:13, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Expand the section on Forest of Secrets. 01:17, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Expand The Darkest Hour if you can :3 01:18, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Still working on this, Cinder? 19:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh sorry I am still working. Sorry for the delay. 02:47, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I added I think one sentence or so to the Darkest Hour, and expanded Forest of Secrets a bit. It was kind of hard since he shows up only once. 23:04, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Senior warriors and citing ranks
Wow I completely forgot to bring this up. xD Anyways, so I was discussing with Teldy about this a bit, and she said to bring up an actual discussion about it. I was editing a bit the other day and noticed a couple of characters who were in the senior warrior category, though I have no memory of them ever being mentioned. As it's a category, I can't add a cite tag to it, and even if I could, nobody could cite it to prove they are one. So I was thinking perhaps we could list them in the charcats like any other rank, and cite where it specifically says they're a senior warrior. But then we also couldn't cite those and not the other ranks, as it'd be inconsistent. So maybe we should just cite all ranks in the charcat? It'd be helpful with more than just the senior warriors too, for instance, characters like Pad, who's in the manga only which I know a lot of people have never read, is listed as a Loner, Kittypet, and Kit. However he's only a kit, and he was only in one book. So how do we know it's real unless you can read the book yourself? Am I rambling?

Anyways, so what do you guys think? Should we add the Senior Warrior rank to the charcat, and/or cite ranks? 08:54, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be hard to cite where a character is mentioned as a SW, but it wouldn't be impossible to find. I'm not against the idea. 15:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I also think it'd be a good idea to cite the other ranks (like kit, elder, etc.). 15:50, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it would be hard to find the cites, but in a way, that's kinda the point. So few SWs are mentioned in the series, and yet there's so many in the category. If it's hard to cite, a lot may be taken out due to lack of cite, which is the point. 00:45, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

That's true. I agree with this idea. 13:11, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Paleh. I don't remember some of the cats in that category being called SWs... 01:15, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree we should cite the ranks. However, I don't know about adding the SW. In fact, I might put up an AfD for that category just because it will always remain incomplete. We basically know all of the SWs in ThunderClan since that's where the point of view is coming from. But we have not the faintest clue who's SW in the other Clans. I mean, yes, there's the ones who are older cats than some of the newer ones, but we still don't know for sure if they are SWs. Then there are the middle group where they've been alive a couple of books, yet they're not as old as others, and we really don't know. 01:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmm true, it won't ever be complete, but then most categories won't ever be "complete". We probably won't know every Windclan cat for instance, or every Tribe of Endless Hunting cat. But you're right, the only ones we really know are ThunderClan. I'm not sure it's really needed. I'd support and AfD, but not necessarily cause it won't ever be "complete". 21:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. I have an idea for citing a character being described as a senior warrior. If one cat is newly mentioned as one, cats that are of similar age can have that used as their citation as well. That would make sense, since I'd think age pretty much qualifies a cat for a senior warrior rank. Oh, and yeah, I'm trying to be helpful to other projects now, so hi! :)  21:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ohai Ivy! 8D But it's not always about age. Usually, but not always, so it'd be assuming if we cited a cat as a senior warrior cause a cat a similar age is one. For instance, Thistleclaw and Tigerclaw established themselves as senior warriors fairly young, before Bluestar even, who was older than them. 23:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ivytail (RC) - Silver Nomination
She is never seen alive, so all I could do was add a couple quotes. 17:27, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Could you add more detail about how the sickness spread, maybe? 01:24, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I think I may be wrong, but didn't Leafpool think or say something about Ivytail when she was being carried out? I think I'm wrong xD 20:54, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can check. xD 15:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't find that, but I found two more quotes. xD 23:48, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 21:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Whispering Breeze ~ Silver Nomination
Working on fixing her article up now. Comments? She's not really a very major Ancient... 01:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Could you possibly reword the second paragraph in SotM? Her article looks great. 20:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, Chez. 20:35, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 19:41, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shy Fawn ~ Silver Nomination
I expanded Long Shadows as much as possible, and SotM looks pretty good to me. I'll see if I can find a quote or two for her. Comments? 16:25, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please reword the third paragraph of SotM? 22:10, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 05:37, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 21:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Alive templates
Paleh asked me the question of, "why do we have just alive templates and not status templates?" This meaning that why do we change the status of every character to deceased on every page when we can merely edit the "alive template" (possibly a name change should occur to these templates if this goes through). If we have all the templates on all the pages, it wouldn't take more than one edit to change the status of a character from alive to deceased. Paleclaw and I could not come up with a valid reason for why the templates are only for characters who are alive.

There is the case where a character has one appearance and then we hear nothing from them again so we put, "Status Unknown". However, is this truly a valid reason to spend 100+ edits on just editing the status when a simple solution would be changing the alive templates to incorporate deceased characters too?

So as a propsal, I think for the next arc, Dawn of the Clans, we should make the alive templates just status templates. We can do that with the current arcs that were released if we decide on that as well. 01:22, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well you already posted all I had to say on it really, however I do suggest that we go back and change all the old alive templates too, as statuses on them can change through the erin hunter chats, facebook, blogs, etc. and therefore it'd be easiest to just have them all on the templates. 01:27, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

This seems like a good idea...I agree with it. 8D 22:21, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dewkit ~ Silver Nomination
Offspring of Cloudtail. Cloudy must nominate. Anyways, I wanted at least one of the three kits, and since I made his charart, I've grown fond of him. 22:24, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Any quotes? I'm pretty sure he's says something in the book. 22:27, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, he does. I'm working on this as I read the book, so once I find one or two, I'll add them. The browse inside is spazzing and not working, so I'm forced to skim the last half of the book. 22:31, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the only quote that he does speak was already there, but since it shows how innocent Dewkit is to what happened, I think it should be his main quote. There aren't any others I can add that actually make sense. 22:57, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 21:49, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re-Join?
Hey everybody. I was wondering if I could re-join? I'll be more active this time, I promise. 13:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

You may refresh upon the [[Project:Characters/Guidelines|guidelines if needed. Welcome back. 21:35, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Amberkit ~ Silver Nomination
First nomination (Woo~) I added some stuff and a quote too... Once I find my nook I'll look to see if she's mentioned any other time in the book. Comments? I'm really pumped about this little fella. 23:56, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps elaborate on why Amberkit thinks Ferncloud's awake and what kind of battle moves they're doing. 21:35, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Done. No specific battle moves were mentioned but they were defensive. 21:04, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Snowkit (OTS) ~ Silver Nomination
I looked through him, and I believe he look spretty good. Comments? 22:26, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

I was about to say Cloudy already nominated him, but then I realize she nominated Dewkit... Can you maybe arrange the article into paragraphs and see if he says any quotes? 22:29, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Heronpaw - Silver Nomination
So, there's only one dialogue quote which shows just about nothing about his personality. I don't believe their much to expand for I don't think he's mentioned any other time than that instance already described.... 01:01, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request~Leopardflame
Hi, I would like to join project charecters. Thanks! Leopard flame      Roar ! ! !   10:26, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, please read the guidelines. Welcome. 21:35, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Stoatpaw ~ Silver Nomination
Woo~ Stoatpaw. I detailed the first paragraph a bit more, and I don't think that there are any good quotes for him. 22:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lilyflower ~ Silver Nomination
Not much to add to for such a minor character. Comments? 00:34, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Question about Cinderheart
This is just a quick question but I thought I'd address it here. Since I found out that Cinderheart does have kits with Lionblaze, but this was stated on Kate's blog, not in the books, should she still have "queen" listed in her charcat template? I think she should, but I'd like to be certain. Thank you so much and have a nice day :) 19:51, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say so, yeah. 20:15, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I guess, why not. 11:31, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

500
Just mentioning that PC crossed the 500 silver article mark a few days ago. Congratulations, everybody.

Tumblekit - Silver Nomination
Yipee, I have returned. Something small while I get it in gear again. Anyway, the article was already fairly complete; I added a quote, and brushed the history up a bit. Comments? 17:41, April 13, 2012 (UTC)