Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Time limit on Tweak Nominations
I've noticed how some tweak/redo nominations will stay up for a week (or more) without getting their three yay or nay votes. That's really not fair to the nominator having to wait that long for their nomination to be approved - especially when it's missing like one vote. I think that maybe after a certain time period, say 3 days, whichever vote at the time has a majority should be the automatic decision. So it would go on the list if the majority were yay votes. And if they're tied I guess it could just default either way, so long as all tied nominations would default the same way. It'll just keep those nominations from sitting there and the nominator from having to wait so long to know whether they can work on it or not. Breeze whisker  04:54, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think this might work. It would stop nominations from sitting there. 06:37, 17, 05, 2012

I agree with this...but the only question is for those that tie. I'd say look at the comments, if any, and that could determine if, but, for now, I think that they should just be approved and be done with it, or, if they really want the image to be redone, they can re-nominate it.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 09:23, 06, 06, 2012

I believe that is fair enough. For if they tie, I say we just wait 24 more hours, then archive it/decline it. 20:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should just decline the nomination when it's defalt, and they could just renominate it necessary. 06:01, 12, 06, 2012

I agree with the declining it automatically, but how long should the wait be before the votes are tallied? Breeze whisker  15:20, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking two or three days, but it could be more or less. Breeze whisker  15:21, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think 3 days/72hrs is good enough as a time. 05:51, 15, 06, 2012

Alright, that doesn't seem too long, so I agree. 19:03, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 17:09, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is everyone happy with 3 days? 00:54, 24, 06, 2012

I am, but should we put up a vote just in case for the other project members? {\ 14:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose a vote could work. x3 03:26, 30, 06, 2012

Tweak Nominations: I am going to sound like a total idiot...
Alright, as you all know, right now I am the sole overseer of the Tweak Nominations page, and I'm supposed to nominate someone to help me. This is going to sound so horrible, I know, but I haven't been active enough to know who would be the right person for the job to help me. There are so many new people, and it's hard for me to keep track, and I don't even know who would want the position. I know this is unorthodox, but members that are eligible and would like this position, let me know and I'll make my decision. This way, it'll be a lot easier to pick the right person who is interested. Thanks, and again, please don't brick me for not just picking someone XD  15:15, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

We respect your desicion Ibly, not everyone can do their jobs. :) I could probably do this, but if the featured charart vote passes, since I'm one of the users in charge of that, I'll strike my interest for fairness. :) 06:29, 15, 06, 2012

I'm interested owo I can do this but it's your choice. 06:38 Fri Jun 15

Don't want to sound too greedy or something, but I would like to try this out. '^^  20:06, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm the new SW, but if I am allowed, I too would like to try this out. 20:24, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Man, now I'm not sure who I should choose...you'd all be good choices  15:31, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Have you chosen your replacement? 12:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

You can tweak/redo it because it's your image
Okay guys. As probably most of you know, people nominate their own image to be redone and tweaked just because they personaly don't like it. I'm sorry, but I don't think that's neccessary. If images are redone/tweaked without reason ("Your image, so you get to tweak/redo it" is not a valid reason), it takes up file space, and just adds to the tweak page.

Project Character Art is supposed to provide character articles with quality art, but I don't think we should be creating/tweaking/redoing art just out of the opinion of the OA.

So, I propose that all images should be redone or tweaked for a valid reason. 04:01, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think I've ever voted for an image that didn't need tweaked/redone. Some that the OA's propose I just ignore if I don't agree because I don't want to get into the "it's their image, they can do what they want" dillema, but yeah, I feel that some images have no good reason to be done. I've seen wonderful tabbies redone only because the person is "better" at them, stripe style and a personal dislike of it is actually a guideline against nominating an image. 05:13, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I don't think personal dislike is a good reason for an image to be tweaked... if it needs to be tweaked then yes, it should be, but as Ivy said, there are great images out there that get tweaked for most likely an invalid reason. So I agree. 06:16, 09, 07, 2012

Some of mine, I redid because not only I knew I could do better, but there were also other issues with the images. I think that the OA should have //some// control over whether or not they chose to tweak one of their own images. However, there needs to be a limit as to what should be tweaked and what shouldn't be.

I believe it should matter on the people whom are voting - if a majority of the leads believe that it is fine, then it stays. I also think that an OA should have some control - and if it /does/ qualify for a tweak, the OA can add on more if they wish, and if it's necessary. 16:17, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Apprentice Tutorial: Paint.NET
On the apprentice tutorials there are some pictures of the tool bar in Gimp and Pixlr. But I also think that somebody should do that same thing with Paint.NET. A lot of people use paint and if they´re having problems they can refer back to it. Thoughts? 21:18, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think that there should be a picture of the tools for paint.net. Even photoshop and sumopaint. I remember there was discussion about having sections for each program on the apprentice tutorials - what happened to that? o.o 03:28, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I remember that discussion. o.e It would help if there were pictures of the tools for all (well, most) of the editing programs, and I still support the "revamp" of the apprentice tutorials. 07:12, 14, 07, 2012

I'm not sure what happened to that discussion...but I know Paint.NET was mentioned in it... I think. If someone who knows what they're doing (and knows how to use Paint.NET) wants to go ahead and make something with the tools and stuff on it, go ahead. There might already be something on the wiki, I'm not sure. I'm strictly GIMP, and I don't have the patience (nor attention span xD) to help with tutorials.

So we agree that somebody should do it? And maybe other programs because our members have a very wide variety of programs to use. 16:54, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

I say go for it. 02:24, 15, 07, 2012

So do I. We want the best for our tutorials. ;) 18:52, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

What about the "revamp" of the tutorials? And, I think it would be good to also add the tools for sumopaint, and photoshop. 22:26, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, if someone uses those editing programs, I say they could just go and add them into the tutorials. I remember a basic example of the revamp was ment to look like this. Maybe if several users want to work on it they could. 03:21, 16, 07, 2012

Hey guys
Wish I knew how to say this more gracefully, but I don't. As of tomorrow, I leave for camp until August 17th, which, in short, means that I won't have access to a computer/be able to edit for four weeks. I know a month is the limit for a lead before they're dropped, but I don't think it's fair to leave PCA leaderless for that long, especially since I won't know what's going on when I get back.

So, in short, I'd like to pass my leadership to Cloudy for that period of time, permanently, if you all believe that is best for you all and for the project. But I'll leave that decision to you guys. I trust you and I know that you'll make the best choice for the project. If you guys decide to restore me as leader when I return, I'll take the position as best I can.

If you do not, then I'd like to say, I have loved my time in PCA so much and I've seen the project grow and change through the two and a half years I've been a part of it, even more so that I've been granted the privilege of leading it for some time. I've learned a whole lot and made wonderful friends. I don't know my own actions, so I hope I've been a good leader and friend to you all and this project. And if I haven't, thank you all for putting up with me.

I love you all and I'll miss you and the project while I'm gone. See you on the 17th,

Scarlet

23:00, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

You're not leaving without a reason, I don't see why we couldn't just have a temporary deputy and restore you to your position when you come back. You're being incredibly responsible and I think you should be able to lead us again. Also, I hope you have fun at camp, whatever camp you're going to! 23:12, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

You have been a wonderful leader. You weren't afraid to spoke for what you felt was right, and you treated everyone as an equal, not to mention created beautiful art. I'll miss you, because I admired your sense of peacefulness and humor. I also agree with Ivy - if you want, you should be restored to your leadership once you come back. I hope you have fun at camp, 00:06, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm I think I like Ivy's idea. I see no reason why we couldn't do that. You do have good reason to be away, and it's just a temporary thing. Leader's can't be here all the time. But we do need someone to be leader and deputy while you're gone, so I like the idea of us having a new deputy while you're gone and Cloudy filling in for you. I'd personally be happy to see you back as leader when you get back from camp. 00:06, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I can't say I didn't see this coming, Scar. I'll gladly fill in for you while you're gone. Of course we'll restore you as leader once you come back. I wouldn't have it any other way. We'll miss you, and once you come back, you'll still be leader - I can promise you that. Shoot me a text or two if you can. <3

Bai Scarley. -waves- I'm sure you'll stay leader when you return, PCA will miss you while you're gone. Don't doubt yourself, you are a great leader and wonderful charartist. Have fun at your camp and may StarClan bring you back to us safely. :) 02:32, 15, 07, 2012

Scarlet, you've been a great leader for PCA. I don't see any reason for you to step down from your leadership. You've been an amazing leader - you have the leadership skills and patience many others don't have. You've proved that countless times - treating everybody equal, being always so friendly to the new users, and your open-mindedness. Plus, you try to put out the fire in a argument, not fuel it. You're a wonderful charartist, and nobody can doubt how much you care about PCA. Scarly, everyone has their inactive/away from the wiki times, and it doesn't mean that because you'll be away, you should step down. I wouldn't want you to step down - especially for what a great leader you've been, and how much you care about PCA - You always tried your best to lead PCA, and you've done an amazing job. But in the end, it will be your decision, and I'll respect whatever it is.

Have fun at camp, and don't doubt yourself. You've been one wonderful leader. <3 Bye, and may StarClan light your path, 04:34, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

My wifey ;.; Your highness, my heart shall ache for you. Even if is is just a month, I will think about you everyday. <33 *insert the rest of the melodramatic farewell here* Ok not really XP But really, you're an awesome and I await your return to leader. 06:53 Sun Jul 15

I hope you have a great time at camp :) I'm sure you'll return as leader when you come back, how could you not? You show the necessary elements someone needs to have to lead a project - which was why you were given the rank in the first place. We could never replace you! :3  15:45, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

There's no reason you shouldn't be leader when you come back. Going to a summer camp is a perfectly valid reason to leave. Just make sure you have a lot of fun! Breeze whisker  23:50, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Temporary Deputy
Ah, hai there gaiz. As Scarlet suggested, I've picked a temporary deputy to help me out while she's gone. After much debate and decision making... I've decided to ask Loonie to become temporary deputy until Scarlet's return. =3

Congratulations guys, and I know you two will do a good job while Scarly's away. :) 04:36, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats and good luck, Loonie and Cloudy, I'm sure you'll do great 04:45, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, guys! Scarlet left PCA in good hands. 05:11, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations guys, but if Scarlet is leavin gthe wiki. (Look below) Will she be your regular deputy? 12:28 Sun Jul 15

Nevermind, wrong person, *Derp moment* 12:32 Sun Jul 15

Congrats you two! You'll do great C: 19:50, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats Cloudy and Loonie! 8D You'll do a great job. 03:43, 16, 07, 2012

Possible images for Robinwing and Mothpelt
Hmmm...I really hope this belongs here...owo Anyway, would this quote possibly warrant kit and apprentice images?

"He knew she shared his concerns about Mothpelt as a leader. They had shared the nursery with him, trained side by side to become warriors, and seen him struggle to mentor a succession of apprentices." - and it's Robinwing and Maplewhisker, page 77 of CoTC.

What do you reckon? Skt Omnia vincit amor 14:59, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

I would think this would warrant an image; it states that they were in the nursery and that they were apprentices.

So. 15:45, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, it warrants an image. 15:47, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

I agree too. 17:29, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

As do I. 18:41, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Same with me. <span style="">22:41 Sun Jul 15

Agreed. <span style="">03:57, 16, 07, 2012

It directly stated that they were kits, then apprentices, so yes. It does in fact warrant an image.

Possible Kit Chararts
So I noticed everyone was having kit blanks (ect.,) for like "inferring" (sorta) and I wondered if these two got kit images. "Get off him! Ratscar's my littermate." Snowbird is speaking by the way. I wasn't sure if they did, so what do you guys think? <span style="">23:10 Sun Jul 15

That sounds to me like implying that they were once kits. I don't see why not. Breeze whisker  23:52, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yep! Nice find! 01:56, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! <span style="">02:10 Mon Jul 16

I'm sorry but just saying characters are littermates isn't them mentioning when they were kits. It's talking about relation to them. It means nothing really. I honestly don't think characters should get kit images for being mentioned as littermates. I think we're simply taking this too far. 06:04, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's like saying any cat who's mother calls them their son or daughter should get a kit image. It's just silly, and in my opinion, very uneeded. 06:06, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. "Littermate" just means they were siblings. In past situations, if cats had remembered being in the nursery, then they'd get a kit charart. Adult cats call others littermates all the time. 16:01, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Loonie and Paleh on this one. I don't think it quite counts...there wasn't anything implying they were kits in that statement, imho.

I have to agree with Paleh and Loonie and Skye as well. The statement never mentioned them as kits. 16:58, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... I think it can go either way with this one. I mean, Snowbird is kind of saying that they were kits together. But then again, I have to agree with Loonie and Paleh... But in my opinion, I believe they should get one. 20:09, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I found some examples of "littermate = siblings". This is just from Sign of the Moon.

"My mother was your littermate." (Stoneteller and Bird's mother)

Foxleap dashed up to the edge of the hole, leaning over to see his littermate. (Icecloud)

There was comfort for both of them in the touch of a littermate's pelt. (Jayfeather and Lionblaze)

Worry for her littermate pricked through Dovewing's pelt. (Ivypool)

"She's lucky to have such a great littermate." (Bumblestripe and Briarlight)

Jayfeather didn't want to travel with the cat who had lied to him and his littermates. (Hollyleaf and Lionblaze)

"Well, mind you stay clear of that farm where your littermates an' that nuisancy WindClan apprentice met the dogs." (Jayfeather, Hollyleaf, and Lionblaze)

Bumblestripe protested, drawing his tail down his littermate's flank. (Briarlight)

"No good cat would be jealous of an injured littermate." (Blossomfall and Briarlight)

He flung himself at his littermate. (Strong Pounce and Lapping Wave)

I think this is enough examples to determine that littermate = sibling, not kit. Ratscar and Snowbird should not get them. 20:29, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. None of those examples said that they were kits. They should not get chararts. 22:34, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing. It doesn't mention that they were shown or mentioned to be as a kit, just as siblings, so I say no charart. <span style="">05:43, 17, 07, 2012

If it doesn't mention that they are in the nursery/ mentioned int eh kit rank, I don't think they should get one. 02:39, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Does the majority agree that they do not get the chararts? 03:31, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Rippletail Alt. Apprentice?
Not sure if this is supposed to go in PCA or PC, but here it goes.

On Rippletail's page in the trivia section is says: The Refrence looks like this:
 * In Twilight, Ripplepaw was mistakenly mentioned by Reedwhisker as a she-cat.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-po5156_4-0">[5]
 * Rippletail was mistakenly described as silver.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-po5156_4-1">[5]


 * 5. 5.0 5.1 Revealed in Long Shadows, page 156

There are two problems, one the refrence is to Long Shadows not Twilight so which is it from? (I don't have the book with me.) And two, if the ref is in fact from Long Shadows he was a warrior at that time so the charart should be a warrior she-cat not an aprentice (unless the refs are from seperate books then it would be a warrior tom).

If I had the books with me I would check myself but since I don't I would really appreciate if someone would and solve this problem. Sorry If this isn't supposed to be here. 23:18, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Take this to PC and I recommend installing a browser with spellchecker. 23:23, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, and normally I do spellcheck, my keybord is just messed up and I didn't check this time. 23:32, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hey thar again. :P
I used to be on the project, like, a year ago. I hope to rejoin again, if you'll have me. XD