Warriors Wiki talk:World

Badger - Silver Nomination
I'm working on expanding the history and relationship to cats. I'm just nominating it now. 18:16, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Is it necessary to cite every sentence with the same reference in the Description section? It seems unnecessary to me, but other users do it, too. 18:22, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Squirrel's got a point. If it's all from the same source, then why not just cite it at the end of the paragraph? I could understand if they were in different parts of the article, but they're not. 03:02, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

If its possible, you could also use a different book or source to cite it from; other than that, though, great work! 03:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Could you possibly mention Midnight in the relation to cats section, as it is very important to the plot of the second series. 21:03, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I see the references are now fixed. I also agree with Specklestream. Add Midnight in very briefly in the Relations to Clan Cats section. 18:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Since it is fixed and there have been no other comments, CBV? 22:59, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 20:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

This will now be continued until Moonflight expands the History. 19:54, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Expand Forest of Secrets and Firestar's Quest if you can. 21:50, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry for appearing dead. I've been busy. :) 18:42, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

It's ok, you don't appear dead now. 23:10, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

I really don't have time for this anymore. I think this should be archived, because I'm openly admitting to reserving this, right now. Sorry for taking up space, everyone. 23:54, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, don't withdraw this! Its almost done! I'll go expand it for you, and it will still count as yours. ITs not exactly a reservation, since it just needs expansion of two sections. 23:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

There, expanded as much as I can. CBV? 23:10, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 04:31, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Deaths
I was thinking it would be nice to have a page with a complete list of deaths like the nursery has a complete list of births. Is this necessary? If so, which page should we put it on? 00:46, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it would merge with the Timeline. Are we going to have a separate page, or maybe merge it with StarClan or just keep it on the timeline? 00:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should add it onto StarClan/Dark Forest but only the ones that we actually know what book they went there in (eg. Yellowfang, Bluestar, Lionheart, Hawkfrost, Feathertail)  ☮Owl      X      Glitter☮..    4EVER The Peace is Perfect☯  06:56, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, OwlxGlitter. If we only accounted for the ones that we knew where they ended up, our list wouldn't be so complete. I think we should merge it in with the timeline then. My only concern with that is that the list isn't so complete right now. We can all work on adding the deaths in. 22:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, lets merge it with the timeline. 18:21, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

There was an idea here, but it was scrapped because there were no contributors to work on it - maybe it's time to pick it up?

Alternatively, we can list them on the Detailed Events Timeline. Not on the main timeline though - that is intended to list only the births / deaths of more important characters (see consensus here).

Kind regards, 17:16, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

We could list them on the Detailed Timeline, but I like the idea of having the name of the cat, the age, and the cause (like in the table Helix suggested in the pervious archive). Would we be able to fit that all in the detailed timeline? 17:51, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

If no one has any more comments on this idea, this will be archived. 23:07, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Gathering
I was thinking, should we have a list of all the Gatherings on this page and next to it say what information was revealed from other Clans? We could also write in decisions made at the Gatherings. Is this necessary? I think it would be a good idea, but I want to get some more opinions first. 18:58, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea, but how would we seperate each gathering. We can do it by book, but then what? Do "first gathering, second gathering..." It can get pretty confusing that way plus a hassle if there was a gathering unaccounted for. Plus there's a lot of "Prey is running well" gatherings as in no information is revealed. 19:03, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

In most gatherings, there's always some info revealed like when elders die or kits are born. I thought that we could separate the gatherings by book and by season. The Events Timeline would be useful here. 19:34, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that's a good idea. We could include what the leaders informed at each Gathering maybe? And maybe seperate the headings by book/series. Sounds good to me. 20:47, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Finally! I'm glad someone agrees! :P If we do end up working on this idea, should we make a template for it? I think it would be better listed out, though. 21:12, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should make it like the cliffnotes, except...for Gatherings. I doubt that we need to make a whole template for it. 18:08, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Cliffnotes would be ok. I was thinking of the headings, but I guess we could do it either way. 19:44, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

So what does everyone else think? Cliffnotes or headings? Advantages for cliffnotes are that information can be listed briefly organized. Disadvantages are that it might take up too much room to do a heading for every single Gathering. Advantages of headings are not taking up too much room and making it easier to read, and disadvantages are that it might not be as organized. 03:05, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I vote for cliffnotes. :D 17:49, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I vote for headings. =D 01:59, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Atelda: what about sorting them according to year / month (sort of like the Events Timeline list)? There is one per month, and it's easy to guess which month is it from the weather's description, or comparing with the previous / next Gathering. 17:16, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree this is a good idea. I'm confused on what headings are? Mint Why did I pull the trigger? 14:19, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Headings are the... hmm. Hard to explain. If you go to Sheer Path Beside Waterfall, you'll see in the contents that History is heading 1 and the sub heading 1.1, is In the New Prophecy Series. The sub sub heading for that (1.1.1) is Dawn. Then it goes back to 1.2 In the PO3 series... etc. Each of those are a different type of heading the biggest one, the History, Family, Quotes and References are the Heading type 2. The next biggest one is Headings type 3, and so on. That wasn't a very good description, as I fail at describing things, but I hope you understood! ;) 18:47, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

If no one has any more comments on this idea, this will be archived. 23:08, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice ~ Silver Nomination
I believe it's ready. Some references have to be added, other than that, comments?  ☮Owl      X      Glitter☮..    4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  05:12, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

A lot of references need to be added, but other then that, it looks great! 05:15, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

It needs a short spoiler-free introduction. Keep a few sentences but add everything else into a Description section. The Tasks section has to after that with a type 2 heading instead of type 3. Assesment should be a type 3 heading under that. Then you have to have a special cases section which is applicable here because Crookedkit had to stay a kit for a while before becomeing apprenticed, and Swiftpaw, Brightpaw and others had to stay warriors for a while. All in all, there's a lot of special cases to add in. 22:34, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Add references to all the sections except for the beginning introduction. 18:07, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Made a description section and starting to add more references. I also made a rules section under Tasks. I don't think that heading is all that good, any other ideas for headings? Also what exactly do you mean by special cases? <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  05:56, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Tasks must go before Education. Special cases are cases when apprentices don't follow the normal rules, such as becoming an apprentice after six moons, staying an apprentice too long, or becoming a warrior without a final assessment. 18:48, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Done. I've tried to add in some special cases but I don't have all the books and can't remember all of them. <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  06:41, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Find more references for Education, Description, and Tasks. 23:56, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Added references. <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  08:58, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Find references for the last special case, one more for the intro, and more for the tasks. 23:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Also, add in stuff about medicine cat apprentices. 00:33, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Should I make a new heading on Medicine Cat Apprentices? <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  06:06, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, go ahead. 23:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Allied Clans ~ Silver Nomination
I added the Omen of the Stars section for TFA, and added references to the description. Comments? 20:01, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

You're missing a lot of alliances. Remember, every known alliance has to be added. For starters, when Firestar and Sandstorm left to rebuild SkyClan, all four Clans allied aginst the foxes. 20:30, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I don't remember. If you know so many that I missed, then why don't you telll me which ones I'm missing and which books they're in? 20:38, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

The Battle against the foxes (forgot what book), ThunderClan and WIndCLan allying to bring WIndClan home (os2), the partial alliance when Cinderpelt helped the ShadowClan warriors back to health (os4), RiverClan allying to help ThunderClan against the rogues (os4), RiverClan sheltering ThunderClan during the fire (os4), TigerClan and BloodClan partially allying (os6), six cats from the cats allying on the Journey to Midnight (np1), etc. I don't want to list them all now, but as soon as you finish those, I'll continue. 22:16, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Forgot what book? Thats a lot of help. Well, ThunderClan bringing WindClan home isn't exactly an alliance, and neither is Cinderpelt helping ShadowClan warriors back to help. An alliance is when "agreement or friendship between two or more parties, made in order to advance common goals and to secure common interests." So, then, a lot of your suggestions don't count. 22:31, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I added some of the ones you suggested, but only the ones that I actually thought counted as alliances. 22:38, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

To ally is "to associate or connect by some mutual relationship, as resemblance or friendship." So when ThunderClan helped WIndClan come home, they connected and tore apart their past experiences to help. An alliance doesn't always have to be between two large parties. It can also be when two people (or cats) forget about what they did in the past and arrived to help each other. RiverClan helping with rogues, or RiverClan sheltering ThunderClan count as alliances. 22:49, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I added RiverClan helping with rogues. Its in os3, not os4. I'll add RiverClan sheltering ThunderClan. 22:52, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 23:00, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should add that in Dawn, WindClan first allied with ThunderClan and then ThunderClan allied with ShadowClan to help in the Twoleg attack. Finally, RiverClan allied at the end. 23:23, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 21:46, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Expand Dawn. Explain the Twoleg attack and say that ShadowClan send a patrol for help, ThunderClan and WIndClan came, they all allied, etc. 02:59, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't own Dawn. Sheesh. And I read that more than a year ago, so I can't remember all the details. Still, I'll user HarperCollins, I guess. 22:24, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 22:42, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. XD Anyway, I don't think the last paragraph in Starlight really counts as an alliance. Expand Twilight. Also, I don't know if it counts or not, but maybe you could mention the Daylight Gathering to show the Clans weren't hostile at that time? And maybe you could add the WindClan kits getting lost and ThunderClan cats finding them. I'm not sure on that, but I think it could be mentioned. 23:54, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the daylight Gathering or ThunderClan cats finding WindClan kits counts as alliances. Sure, one Clan helps another and the Clans aren't fighting, but that occurs at all Gatherings. I'll delete the last paragraph of Starlight. 23:58, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Expanded Twilight and Eclipse. I think thats all. 00:07, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

I know the tribe isn't considered a Clan, but I think you should add a section in Outcast explaining that the four cats from the Clans went to help them. 01:01, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. Well, I kind of don't want to since I don't have Outcast, but its also not much of an alliance to talk about. The page is called Allied Clans, and seriously doesn't have much to do with the Tribe. 23:14, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Expand Eclipse then. After that, I think it's ok. 23:44, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

I did expand Eclipse. Look up there ^. I seriously can't expand it anymore without the book. 22:34, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. CBV? 22:57, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

TigerClan (Mythological) - Silver Nomination
I am aware that this was declined for the lack of work but I had been on vacation and had no access to a computer, only a phone that I could use in a place that had wifi, however the apartment we were staying at had no wifi. So, I fixed up a few things and I'm putting this back up. Comments? 00:53, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

The notable Members section should be in the format of a table like the other Clans. 00:58, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hm...I'll do it for Shadestar, but what about Thorntooth? 19:04, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Make a table for warriors. Can't hurt, since there's only one. ;) 23:38, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 00:08, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. CBV? 23:12, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 23:31, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Fox - Silver Nomination
The same as above. I cited the relation to Twolegs section and expanded the history. Comments? 01:06, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add references to the Dexcription section and the Realtion to Cats section. 00:59, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

And cite the last sentence of relation to Twolegs. 23:20, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 00:09, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

A few sentences in Description could still be cited, but if you can't find any, its fine. 23:14, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't :/ 19:03, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, then this will be CBVed once more votes end, since we only put up about 3 votes at a time, due to the severe inactivity in PW. D: 04:42, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

CBV? 22:57, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

WindClan ~ Silver Nomination
Finally! I added the spoiler-free introduction, filled in Description and Territories, and expanded all History, filling in Coming Soon templates as needed. Comments? 03:41, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

Looks awesome! Is it possible to expand Outcast, Eclipse, and possibly add how they we're described by Rock in Cats of the Clans? It's okay if you can't. :) 19:19, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

For the last sentence of Into the Wild, explain more about why Windclan was driven out. I think he said something about WindClan refusing to cooperate or something. 23:19, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Outcast is not centered around WindClan and the actual Clan is not mentioned a lot. I think Eclipse is at a pretty good length. In Cats of the Clans, the same format is followed by ThunderClan and RiverClan. I don't want to add anything too much about any one cat since it's the whole Clan we're talking about. I expanded Into the WIld, though. 23:37, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Since there haven't been comments for a while, CBV? 23:04, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

LionClan (Mythological) ~ Silver Nomination
(Someone please add a link?) Comments? Swee tflo  wer   03:55, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Add more History, because other cats mention LionClan as strength. Look through the books for them. Petalkit's theft should be in the history. 15:47, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

And the table should be more like TigerClan (Mythological) 15:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

How am I going to get every single time LionClan is mentioned? Other than that done :)  Swee  tflo  wer   16:13, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Look through the books. 16:48, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

All of the books? Because if I do, I'll be bout a week, to read every book. If I have to. Swee tflo  wer   00:28, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to literally read each book. Just use harpercollins and go to search book and type in LionClan. 23:03, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, thank God xD Thanks Mistystar! Swee tflo  wer   16:49, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Grr, it won't load, stupid dial-up internet. Help anyone? Swee tflo  wer   20:57, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

LeopardClan ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Swee tflo  wer   15:40, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Cite the description at the top, and expand Into the Wild. I remember Lionheart saying more things about LeopardClan than the sentence there is right now. 22:37, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Done :)  Swee  tflo  wer   00:53, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Very good. :D Can you go into more detail about the last part of Into the Wild though? You only said description, and it'd be great if it could tell more about the description. 23:01, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! :) And done. I just fleshed it out a tad, because there isn't alot about them in those two/or more sentences.  Swee  tflo  wer   16:47, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

Looks ready to me! CBV? 04:37, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

World articles are not supposed to have main quotes, so you should move the quote to the quotes section. Technically, world articles aren't suposed to have Quote sections at all, but I think we'll permit it for a few. 22:59, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

TigerClan (Modern) ~ Silver Nomination
I've expanded the history a lot, added references, and fixed the page layout. Comments? 23:37, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

It needs a list of ranks and you should move the quotes below. 23:04, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Deputy - Silver Nomination
I added a description section and cited everything that didn't have it. This time I used the Guidelines. I hope I didn't mess up this time... 23:05, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

It looks wonderful! Great job! Cite the Deputy Ceremony's words. 04:35, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

All cited :) 04:48, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful. Thanks so much for reading the Guidelines this time. :) All the deputies should be cited. 23:02, September 3, 2011 (UTC)