Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Whitewing- for approval


Well I said that I needed to start on something easier to start on, so I did Whitewing. Please critic [but not harshly!:)] Sandwich 989

I sorted the layout so this came under it's own section but the image is not showing up Sandy Talk! 20:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright Sandwich, no more .xcf for you! XD It makes the image into a white box. Use .png or.gif instead. -- Ms T C 20:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I know I know. XD When I was typing in png my dad told me to get off because I was in trouble, and I thought that it didn't save, but it did I guess. So what do you think? I started this because Lionheart was to hard for me. Sandwich 989

I need some help with pixel size on GIMP. Sandwich 989


 * Remember to click on the blank before using it, an I suggest just copying/pasting it, as I do it. Then use the darken tool to shade. I think you have a good second attempt, thouggh. You're just starting out. Plus, this can't be accepted until you get the correct blank size. -- Mallinois Herding Talk 12:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok ill try to find the correct size. Sandwich 989

Here's a blank for you, Sandwich. Color this one in, and you'll get the full size blank. -- Mallinois Herding Talk 01:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I hadn't edited this for a while (I have ALOT of Finals due soon!). But i managed to do this in my spare time. Sandwich 989  02:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I say there should be more shading. Many pictures now are bugging me with putting little shading on the backs. No one does it anymore....Look at some of the other accepted white cats for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 03:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The shading needs to be blended more, and you could probably use a little bit more of it too. The ears look too fluro, and there is something wrong with the eyes. -- Dawnfeather 05:28, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Shading! More is needed on the back (as Shimmer said), head, muzzle, front legs, tail (a little). Also, tone down the ear colour a little and try adding a blacka nd white pixel in the eyes to amke them look...alive. [Someone posted a good example of a close up of an eye on the 'Sandstorm-For Approval' section] Just because she is white doesn't mean the colour has to be flat - take a look at the approved white cats for examples. The shading will help Sandy Talk! 07:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Just to let everyone know I am doing this still im just trying to do it on photoshop.Sandwich 989 22:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok i uploaded a new one. Maybe the eye can have more realistic stuff but |_|. If anyone can help me on shading it will be appreciated.Sandwich 989 03:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Instead of smuding, either use the burn tool, or get a few different shades of darker colours, in order from the outside to the inside for whatever area you want the chading to take up, and then blur them (With the blur tool, not the smudge tool) together. If that made any sense! -- Dawnfeather 07:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Anyone using gimp: can you tell me the shading you use? like the percent thing, the color. All the things you use. Thanks. Sandwich 989 04:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't use GIMP, but I can recommend Pixlr. I just get a few darker colours and then blend them into the pelt gradually becoming lighter. Either that or use the burn/dodge tools -- Dawnfeather 04:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hazeltail (For Approval)


I noticed that Hazeltail didn't have any character art, and I love her to death, so I decided to color her! I did my best to try to make her gray markings look realistic. I used a tutorial and a few references to get her to look just right. I'm no expert, though, and any help you can give is greatly appreciated! Also, if something looks wrong, please tell me how to fix it. "It looks bad" doesn't tell me anything. --Goldencloud 00:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * EDIT1 After multiple attempts, I finally got the new version to upload. I separated the gray patches, and gave her white-tipped ears and tail. Also darkened shadows. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT2 I rounded out the splotches. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT3 I randomized the splotches just a little bit. I hope I didn't go overboard again. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT4 Added a bit of shading on the chest, hopefully it looks better now. Thanks everyone for the help! I appreciate it. --Goldencloud 02:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT5 Extended shading up her chest. Also blended shadow of the ear a bit. I hope that's what you meant, Bramble! --Goldencloud 21:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the problem is that she needs separate patches like Brightheart's not one huge wavy patch. Try putting white in between them. -- Ms T C 01:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did, and I do think it looks better now. --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The ear needs some gray or white on it, and there needs to be more shading aroung the outside. Maybe a highlight too? -- Dawnfeather 06:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I put white tips on her ears. I tried giving her highlights, but it was hard to see on top of her white fur. I didn't add shading around the outside because the light-source is coming from overhead, not from the "camera". --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I think this looks awesome! Sandwich 989
 * Thank you! :D --Goldencloud 00:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

This is very pretty, Goldencloud. I think it might look better though with a patch of gray on the belly, to break up the white a little more in that section. And maybe shrink the ear pink so it doesn't take up the whole ear. Other than that this is beautiful. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bramble! I had added a gray patch on her belly, but it looked odd there so I tried to expand the splotch on her back so there's less white space there. I also shrunk the ear pink a little bit. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the patches look unnatural, try making them more rounded, not all wavy and curvy and random. -- Mallinois Herding Talk 22:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I rounded them off. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it, but, like everyone else said, the patches look wavy..--Warrior♥ 00:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I did round them off a bit, especially the one on her back. It does look a lot better now. --Goldencloud 02:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to be fussy, but now they look very round, and even. Make then shapes a bit more random. -- Dawnfeather 02:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Goldencloud 23:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Looks awesome, but it could use shading on the chest.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 15:04, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see what you were referring to now. I added a touch of shading on the chest. Thanks!--Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Warrior's right - shading is also needed on the back Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There shouldn't be shading on the back. The light is coming from over her head, not from the camera. --Goldencloud 04:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't look right having both the veritcal part of her chest and the vertical part of her neck without shading. Chose one to put shading on, but only for that small section. -- Dawnfeather 07:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...okeetay. I think I understand what you're talking about. I added a bit of shading on her chest, is that what you were referring to? --Goldencloud 02:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is very lovely. If you could blend the ear pink a little more and add a touch more shading to the chest, above where there is already shading, this should be ready for approval. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, Bramble. Your kind words mean a lot to me! I did extend the chest shading, and blended the shadow of the ear more. Is that what you were referring to when you said I should blend the ear pink? --Goldencloud 21:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Good job. Are there any other comments for improvement? -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

This looks great. Although the patches look wavy, they look good and the shading is good.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989

It still needs more shading on the chest and back.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to be argumentative, but how do you figure that there should be shading on the chest and back? The light source is coming from over her head, so shadows would not be cast on the back or that part of the chest. When light doesn't make shadows on what it directly hits. --Goldencloud 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Warrior, there needs to be much more shading on the back and chest. Also add some to the head too, but not alot. Adding it to the back ear and the forehead should be fine.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No, there should not be. I'm really not trying to start an argument or be stubborn, I just want to explain why I'm not adding shading to these spots you say need shading. The light source in the picture is coming from above, therefore the shadows would be on the underside of everything. Shadows don't appear where light is hitting an object. --Goldencloud 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with Goldencloud. The are many parts of the back and chest which are being hit with direct light, but i think that for that to be possible, there are actually a few places tha need shading.
 * Just behind the shoulder
 * a littlebit on the back of the head
 * just below the headd, across the body.
 * just below the shoulder, across the body.

These spots are in shadow because something sticks up just infront of them, or there is a part of the body that is wider than it, etc. If that made any sense. I think that the shading you do have needs to be blended into the pelt more. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I love her!!! How did you do the eye?!?! It's so realistic!!! -- MU MB LE 785  20:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Bumblekit for Approval

 * I've been wanting to do this lil guy for so long and now I've finally got the chance. There's only a few things I have to say. One, I'm going to make him have a transparent background later on. The second thing I would like to add is, give me feedback on his stripes. I know they are horizontal running across his back, but I can't just picture a cat with straight horizontal lines, so I gave them a little wave at the end. I thought he would have been perfect for a long haired base since Graystripe is after all, but I couldn't get the background to turn white without erasing the outline.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 05:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The stripes and shading on his right (our left) side are too long. You don't need more shading, but the outside edges should be a little bit darker. You might want to try adding a highlight too. -- Dawnfeather 05:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

He needs more shading around the head and the front legs. Also, some of the stripes, particularly on our right, are a little smudged where they've been flicked. I think you were right not to do them straight because a cat is not flat (!) but they shouldn't be smudged Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 07:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated Here he is now. I added some highlight, added the extra shading that was needed, and made the lines darker on his right.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

It's better but I don't like the highlights...it looks like he's bene playing in white paint. Perhaps get rid of them, or make them smaller and blend them in more Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 15:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I think there needs to be a highlight, but it needs to be smaller and blended! -- Dawnfeather 10:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So far, adding highlights has ruined this kit and Eaglekit, so Shim, remove the highlights and I think it will look better. Kits can't handle much highlighting... -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree; I never put highlighting on kits, just some well-blended shading. :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 20:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I really hated the highlights myself. Sorry its going to be a while until I can update this. I don't have any internet at home so I can't access the file and edit it. I'm using my dad's computer, but there's no way he's going to let me download GIMP. So...if this is taken down because of lack of work, I'll reupload it later.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfrost- For Approval
Well...Here is the first character art that I've made. What say you? Smokeberry 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's really good for a first image! I just think there are 3 things you could improve on: 1.) Make the eye have a pupil. It looks kinda like it doesn't. 2.) Make the tabby making thinner, blend them a little more, and make them jagged Ys. Use Squirrelflight as an example. 3.) Make the shading a tad bit darker. Other than that, It looks awesome!

Thanks! I'll fix that right away. Smokeberry 21:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The image has been changed...Is it better now? Smokeberry 21:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Smokeberry, you didn't read the notice:One image at a time, so you'll have to wait for Jayfeather and Cinderfur, who by the way don't have their blanks yet. On this one, the tabby markings are dots and lines. Try using the jagged lines like Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Dustpelt, and Brownpaw, or use the wavy ones like Heathertail -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 00:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Mallinois is right Smokeberry. Also, the ear is way too pink - that would need to be sorted as well. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A couple of things: There is no shading that I can see. It needs some. Look on the Approved images to see how to do that; The tabby markings need to look...realistic. Looks at some Approved tabbies for examples; Nothing's blended. Use smudge tool for that. --<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 01:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

To add to that, Hawkfrost also has a white underbelly. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed it. In my opinion the color is too dark, but then he is evil. Anything else? Smokeberry 23:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I like it dark, because it fit's his personality. I think he still needs more shading though. -- Dawnfeather 11:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Just add more shading on the back and the chest, and perhaps on the curve of the leg. I really like this. -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like the tabby markings now and think it looks good. I have something to add though - on my computer it is showing up on a white background not transparent and there is a strange black line at the top; is this just me or does it need to be made transparent? Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Add more shadong, and take away the triangle-ness of the tabby markings, plus the ear is a little dark and there's a black line at the top. Plus, get rid of the markings int he middle of the body. -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Lemme just remove the line, and this will be done. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There. Approved. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What the...? Can someone fix this line before it's posted? Thanks. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, aer you listening? Quite a fwe of us think that there should be some more shading before it is approved. -- Dawnfeather 06:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, GB. Several people still have comments for improvement, and after those have been made the image can be approved. Don't approve the image just because it looks finished to you. Smokeberry, this can definitely be approved soon, just add more shading on the places mentioned above and tweak the markings a little like Mallinois suggested. I can turn it transparent for you if need by after changes have been made. -- Bramble My Realm 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! But I think the ear needs to be blended a bit more.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think the ear is a little too dark... you can hardly see it over the dark pelt colour. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

He looks awesome. ^-^ -- MU MB LE 785  22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know there was still criticism. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, buddy. :) It was easily fixed. -- Bramble My Realm 23:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, don't feel bad. As you said, everyone makes mistakes, and this one doesn't matter, as it was easily and effortlessy fixed. I do agree that this is SO CLOSE to being ready for approval though. :D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Transparency
Before a picture is added to an article, it needs to have a transparent background. We already have several without transparent backgrounds that have already been added to their respective articles. If each artist could reupload their pictures with a transparent background, and then remember to do it on future pictures, that would be great. :)

Also, if you're unable to make it transparent, one of the senior warriors or myself can do it for you. -- Bramble My Realm 21:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

It is hard... Misty <font color="Pink" style="background:Gray">stream 21:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why the background evidently showed up black for you, Misty. :/ It's always been white for me, so it is easy to turn it transparent. -- Bramble My Realm 21:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorreltail - For Approval


Ahhh, bliss. I finally got to upload her. What do you think? I did the tabby markings (that are often found on the ginger part of a tortie's pelt) in the Heathertail fashion, as I think that they are more realistic than the other ones. What do you think? -- Dawnfeather 06:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful, Dawnfeather! I love the softness of it all. I always pictured Sorreltail with more white, but that's just me. The only thing I see wrong with it is teh ear pink is too dark. Try lightening it up a bit. :) --Goldencloud 13:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is great, but she has more white then that.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989 14:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It's great Dawn. The only thing that I see is that it could use a little more shading under the chin.--<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 16:21, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it has plenty of shading, but maybe add in some white like Sandwich and Goldencloud suggested, and make the ear pink more pink. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded again. Make that, I tried to upload again. The site won't even let me get up that 'upload a picture' box. how annoying. I fixed the ear easily, but then I couldn't get of the white 'estenions' to look right. One looked ookayish, and so I will upload that one with the old version with a modified ear. -- Dawnfeather 22:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I finally managed to get them uploaded. What do you think? -- Dawnfeather 05:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I personally like the one on the far left best :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sandy. -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

So what would you like me to do with it to make it better? -- Dawnfeather 06:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

It's really very good Dawn! The only thing that's getting at me a bit is that the ear pink is a strange translucent purplish colour and isn't very visible but isn't really part of the cat either. I think it needs to be more central in the ear and a different shade of pink so it doesn't look like you just stuck it on top (if that makes sense) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps add some white n the tail, too, to make the color more balanced. -- Bramble My Realm 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded two version of the 'one on the far left', both with changed ears, but only one with white on the tail. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Um, only one of them has the ear change and neither of them have white on the tail.. -- Bramble My Realm 23:10, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh... IT DIDN'T SAVE! ... That's just plain annoying. i'll do it again. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay. i re-did it, but I really think that the old white on the tail was better. And I aws so sure I saved. ... --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

That's okay, the computer all kicks us sometime. I personally like the one with white, but that's just me. -- Bramble My Realm 23:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I like the one white white too. Really pretty Dawnfeather.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You talking about me or Sorreltail? (lol) :P /  :D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather  07:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I like the one of the far right as we see it now :) I think it should be approved Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorm- For Approval
I guess I sort of lied when I said no more 'popular' cats. But I've seen SO many put up that get declined I decided to do it myself. I used the same shading I did for Honeyfern and Nettleclaw. --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 19:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Beuatiful. I just want you to remove the marking from the eye. By the way, Everyone seems to know how to do texture like this but me. How do you do it? -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you ^^. I removed the eye mark. As for the texture, it's just a lot of dodging, burning and blurring. It's pretty easy after awhile. --<font color="black" style="background:blue">DarkHallows Lair 20:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like this. This Sandstorm is about 20 times better than mine. - Sparrowwing  talk  22:40, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Other than the fact that she has barely visible stripes, it looks beautiful.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989 02:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

This looks great. I think some more shading would look good on the muzzle and top of her head though Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that the tabby stripes should be a bit paler, it looks good. ;)--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 14:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I added more shading, but kept the stripes how they were.-- Darkhallows Lair 15:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I'm not happy with the tabby stripes really. They are barely visible, but just with darker fur. The tabby markings she has seem very visible to me.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Are they better?-- Darkhallows Lair 05:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. I do think that 'pale tabby stripes' is meant to mean 'paler' than that base colour. This could be difficult, but have a go and save it separetly from this picture. I reckon it could work if you do it right. Out of these tabby stripes, and the ones that you just had, I prefer the old ones. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I hate to quote at you again... but it says slightly darker than base color.... -- Darkhallows Lair 07:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Where? :) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Pg 53 of Into the Wild, it says "Her coat was ginger, like Firepaw's, but much paler, with barely visible stripes of darker fur." Sorry, Dawnfeather. :) Besides the stripes, is there anything else for improvement? I personally love the image. -- Bramble My Realm 02:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, are you watching this? See, everybody makes mistakes! I agreee, this should be approved! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

So...
Can we put up more than one picture now? The post at the top of the page is gone, so I was just wondering. -- Dawnfeather 06:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I suppose if we keep the page less than 20-25 images (back when it was up to 50-60 I almost cried), then you can put more than one up at a time. But for now I'd like to keep it at the very most as three images at once. And members, be sensible. If there're a ton of images up then don't add another. Seniors, what do you think? -- Bramble My Realm 00:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I think that's fair for now provided you have the time to work on all three and can realistically manage to work on them all to a high standard. If many more users join suddenly and the page shoots up then the number may have to be lessened, but for now that seems to be a good plan. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

HELP ME
Hey warriors! I need some help, I really want to make Charcats and put them on this site, one problem, how do you guys make your cats so good?! I made Hawkfire really good, but the other cats I did, BLEh! How do you make them look nice on MS paint?(tabby stripes, eye color, tortoishell markings,and pink filled ears) Thanks! --Hawkfire98 13:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC

Paint isn't always the best option for making quality charart but there are many online programmes you can use for free to colour the art to a high standard. One is which I often use but there are others out there if you search on google. You just need to find one to suit your needs. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:47, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks Sandstar! Paint is hard to use. Thanks again!--Hawkfire98 13:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There's also GIMP, a program you can download. But it is somewhat hard to understand.:) Good luck!--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="Black">Warrior♥ 14:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, look forward to seeing your work! Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 14:45, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I did all the shading on Brownpaw in paint, but I blended and added the stripes in Pixlr.com. So... it's possible.-- Darkhallows Lair 14:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Goldenflower-For Approval
I'm going to try Goldenflower as an elder.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 15:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I like the highlight and the colour is perfect but the shading needs to be slightly darker and needs to be added around the muzzle and between the front and back legs etc. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Re-uploaded! I know I have to fix that black stripe coming out from the back...I didn't notice it before. I added more shading.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 17:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed the line.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 17:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There's still a black smudgy line coming out of her back... Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe make the ear pink a bit more pinkish, because I can barely see it with the shade of gold that you used. And Sandy, can't resist, do you know how funny that sentence sounds? But yes, there is still a line. -- Bramble My Realm 19:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

hmm... see what you mean XD. I also think more shading is still needed, behind the highlight on the back and in the other usual places such as on the legs and tail. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There is shading on the tail and behind the highlight, and I'll fix the line and the ear. --<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 19:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I fixed it! *says in Arwin-like voice* I finally got that line off.--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 20:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I can just barely see the shading on the back, tail, and legs. You should add more shading like Sandy suggested. -- Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95 21:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The front paws are smeared with some kind of light, chalky color. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Better now?--<font face="Papyrus" size="2" color="MediumPurple">Warrior♥ 15:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

It looks smudgy around the shading and highlights... -- MU MB LE 785  19:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Mumble's right; it's very smudgy and they aren't blended into the pelt properly Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 19:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

With Approving Images
Ok I'm just replying to Bramble, GB and the other senior warriors about this because I saw the little dispute on Hawkfrost. I was on this alittle right before Gorse disappeared. Really the senior warriors weren't the ones who did the approving. Kitsu just took over cause there was no Gorse. The leader should have the final word in the artwork before they are approved officially, even if a senior warrior says so.

So.......with me concluding this, I think it should be Bramble who has the final word now if an image should be approve. All us senior warriors can all say we think its ready to be approved for the characters page, but if Bramble thinks not, then its just not. Of course I don't want to be pushing it since I've just returned at the moment, so what do you guys think? :)-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed; that's a good way of doing it Shimmer. Unless the image is Bramble's then the senior warriors should of course approve it. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

This would help keep things more orderly. I'm willing to go ahead with this. However, I would still like the senior warriors to have the authority to approve my images, like you said Sandy, as I would feel uncomfortable approving my own. And Shim, don't worry about pushing things. :) You are a senior warrior, and you can feel free to suggest things like this. -- Bramble My Realm 19:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with you guys. Bramble should have the final say, except in her own. Then someone of the senior warriors should approve hers.<font color="Red" style="background:Black">Sandwich <font color="Purple" style="background:black">989 22:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops, just now looked at this, after I approved Adderkit. I dunno about this. When Bramble and I picked senior warriors, I thought they'd all be able to handle this job on their own. Bramble, I think the less experienced senior warriors should have us look over the work, but I feel I'm capable of declining/approving. The Hawkfrost thing was an accident. Everyone makes mistakes. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 03:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe GB has a point... The work is normally left with a comment such as 'any comments before approval' for 24 hours anyway so maybe that's a good time for someone to step in and object... Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 08:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Senior warriors shouldn't have to wait for Bramble, but they should put something like:This will be open for 24 hours, so comment if you think there are problems. Plus, before approving, senior warriors should look for comments that anyone has that may be needed to improve the image. -- Mlns tlk • C 14:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, you two. You're both starting to think like senior warriors. Seriously, though, all of our seniors need to get on the IRC with me and Bramble and talk this over. We need to get your guys' names registered, and maybe we'll even cloak you. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, as you've clarified it was accidental, GB, then I am fully for Mallinois' idea; for the image to be open for 24 hours, and then approved if there are no comments. This was done beforehand by Kitsufox and it worked well. And we all do need to get on the IRC, maybe we can arrange a time on here. -- Bramble My Realm 17:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Antpelt for Approval
I'm going to post my pending images here. For now, here's Antpelt. Do you think I should blend the highlights on the back more? -- MU MB LE 785  22:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes; blend the shading a lot more as well. Also shorten the neck shading so it doesn't stick out so much; that's what got you on Clovertail. Maybe you could add a pupil on the eye as well. Other than that, very nice colors and basic structure. Good job. -- Bramble My Realm 22:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I completely agree with all of the above. BLEND HEAPS! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'll work on him. ;) And Bramble, there is a pupil. Look at the upper left area of the eye... -- MU MB LE 785  19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I blended more and took away some of the throat-shading. Is he better? -- MU MB LE 785  19:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Take away the shading infront of the shoulder! Also, you still need to blend everything in a lot more for this to work. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, my mistake, I see it now. The shading still needs to be blended more, though, and I don't know if the shading under the neck should be taken away, I just think it should be shortened and a less sharply defined point. -- Bramble My Realm 02:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing out that one of the ears is completely black. - Sparrowwing  talk  12:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Frostfur - For Approval


Okay, this is my frostfur, which you might have seen when I was doing the final stages of my Elder blanks. Unlike Darkfoot, I thought it was half good, so I kept it! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 00:57, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The highlights seem a little bright. Can you tone them done a bit? Otherwise, I quite like it.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I reuploaded. I tryed to de-brighten the highlights a bit, but I'm not sure if it worked very well. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the highlight on the muzzle/head area is too sharply defined, maybe blend it more or make it a less popping(for want of a better word) color. -- Bramble My Realm 02:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I made it less 'popping', i think. You know Bramble, for a word that is completely un-related to what you were talking about, you used 'popping' beautifully and descriptively. I think I even sort of understood what you meant! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:59, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that was criticism or a compliment, but thanks either way! :) I don't really see anything else, except for maybe make the ear a tad pinker. Like I said in Otterheart's section, hard to find any fault. -- Bramble My Realm 03:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It was a compliment. :D Thanks, i haven't even uploaded many pictures before because Before the pictures I have up now, I only ever had Mousefur and the blanks. I just figured out a few things a short amount of time, and only this week have I started useing dodging/burning. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 03:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Snaketail (Po3)- for approval
I had made this awhile ago... -shrug- I dunno if I like it. But I might as well use it.-- Darkhallows Lair 05:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. The shading on the belly is above the belly, leaving the actual belly un-shaded. The tail looks weird. Maybe 'Snaketail' means dappled, or tabby (on the tail only? I don't think that they have those types of markings though. It doesn't look right to me. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

"dark brown tom with tabby-striped tail." from his page. If it meant tabby, it'd say tabby I think.... I'm working on the shading.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

It did! I'm only talking about the tail! It said a 'tabby-striped tail'. I'm sorry if I confused you. I was only talking about the tail! So, yeah. Try and add some tabby markings to the tail, and see how it works! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, for a 'dark brown tom', he could be quite a bit darker. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:38, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Morningflower-For Approval



 * My second, tortie, and my first elder. The elder blanks show up black for me, can someone fix that? I fixed up this one, though. Tell me what you think of it. -- Mlns tlk • C 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

She looks good, but i think you might need a little more ginger fur. She looks too dark, and I think it's because of the black. But, otherwise, it's good. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, the separation between the white and the black on the neck looks unnatural. Play around with the shape a bit more, or extend the white up into the face and make those common white-face markings. Other than that, and what Mumble just said, this is really good. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Dawnpaw - For approval


This is Dawnpaw, Tawnypelts kit. Please tell me if I am over doing this, as this is image number three of mine up at the moment. I will take it down if anyone has any problems. It's just i'm on here so often, yet there is so little to do! So, yeah. Tell me what you think! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like this, it's a very pretty shade of gray that you used. I think the only thing is that the ear looks like a shade of lavender in my opinion, and maybe you could use a more light pink color. Other than that minor thing, beautiful. Perhaps you won't mind if I do her kit version after Otterheart. :) -- Bramble My Realm 02:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I reuploaded, and i had a bit of trouble making the gray around the perimeter of the ear visble. (Speaking of perimeter, my year 10 maths text book seemed to think it didn't know what one was and spent a while explaining it to me. I think I already knew for some reason!). But back to the subject of Dawnpaw, you should have seen me when I read that Tawnypelt had kits. (In 'The Sight', or 'Dark River') I was practically screaming TAWNYPELT HAS A KIT CALLED DAWNKIT! to everyone i saw for the entire day. And then when I found out she was gray with amber eyes like what dawnfeather would... I was so excited. A main-ish character named Dawn..! Yay! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 03:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Much better! Off-topic: Yes, I hate when the math book tells me stuff I've already known since I was like 10. Btw, it would be so awesome if Dawnpaw's warrior name was Dawnfeather! I would send you a message saying something like "OMSC you're in the book!!" On the image, I don't see anything else wrong with it at all. Anyone else have anything? -- Bramble My Realm 03:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No, this is really beautiful Dawn :) Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 11:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Otterheart - For Approval


I absolutely love otters so here is Otterheart. I wish she was mentioned more in the books, though we rarely see RiverClan anymore. Comments? -- Bramble My Realm 02:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I wish they weren't on the other side of the lake. They were much better neighbpurs than Windclan. This is very well done, and the shading is beautiful. I agree with Sandy, 'The most annoying thing about your work is that it is hard to find a fault in it!' Howver, I do think that the ear looks a bit unnatural. Other than that, it's perfect (grrrrr....) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 03:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I find it very hard to find fault in yours too :). I reuploaded and made the ear darker so it looks more natural now. -- Bramble My Realm 03:07, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Perfect! Ready for appproval. Hey Bramble, are you on now? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 04:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Anymore comments before approval in 24 hours? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 05:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)