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Fallowtail - Ginger Muzzle
It says on her page that the cite in Yellowfang's Secret allegiances that she has ginger patches around her gray flecked muzzle is a mistake. I'm not sure it should be considered a mistake. It only mentions a small part of the body, and literally right beside it it mentions how she is a light brown she-cat (which is correct). So, I think the muzzle thing should be moved to her description and not be considered a mistake.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:33, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

I'd say that makes sense^^ Tbh, there's no reason to confirm it as a mistake, so it should be in the main description.

I think it should be added. 00:51, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Unless we get confirmation that the description was a mistake, I think we should count it since it doesn't contradict her previous description at all. 18:28, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Wtf guys. It's not a partial description or anything. Ginger and brown are more than two shades from one another. It shouldn't be added for that reason, and it seems like you want to add something that has nothing to do with light brown. It contradicts her current description based on our color rules. Plus, we add stripes to ginger, but not to brown. Remove it because it a.) doesn't go with her description, and b.) does contradict what we have for her. It's not like tabby or mottles. These are two totally different colors. =\

Well, if the only description we had from where we got the cite was just that she had "ginger patches" or a "ginger muzzle" or something, I'd definitely agree that it was worthy of being considered a mistake (like the gray paws thing on Toadstep), but that’s not how it was. The description was instead that she was a "light brown she-cat with ginger patches around her muzzle". To me, that doesn't seem to me to contradict her current description; it maintains the fact that she is light brown, as is her current description, but just says that she also has the ginger patches on a tiny part of her pelt. 19:05, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Tbh, I agree with Ivybreeze. The supposedly mistake listed her as a light brown cat, which is her current description, with additional ginger flecks. I feel it was just extra description.

Anymore comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:22, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

Idk i think i agree with skye tbh. It seems like she was confused with birdsong 00:34, 3/12/2017

Anymore comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:04, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

if she'd been listed as a tabby I might've agreed it was a mistake, but I have to go with it being added to her description since nothing contradicts it. 06:52, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Alright since most agree, Fallowtail will have a ginger and gray muzzle.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:48, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Actually, i hate to say this, but it was just confirmed by su that birdsong and fallowtail got mixed up here 19:30, 4/11/2017

Alrighty then author's cite, it's a mistake. Thanks for letting us know!Stealth f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:39, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

May FA
What's up guys. Who should star on the wiki for our May FA? Poppydawn is on the FA list and also it's a really pretty name for May I guess. Her history looks good. Or do you guys have any other suggestions? 00:49, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Poppydawn should be featured. 00:55, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

Flowerstream01 and I have been working hard on Dodge's page, maybe he would work? Thoughts? 03:46, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

I like the idea of Poppydawn.

Poppydawn sounds great

Poppydawn looks good. <span style="">00:47 Fri Apr 7

Anymore comments before the vote?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:50, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Vote is up!<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  22:53, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Mistfeather's mate
(Spoilers for Hawkwing's Journey and The Apprentice's Quest)

Mistfeather mentions how his mate died during the battle when the rogues took the gorge in The Apprentice's Quest. In Hawkwing's Journey, Stormheart is the only she-cat that died in the battle. I know you might say that one of the missing she-cat's could have died in it too, but the only missing she-cat is Frecklewish, and she is a medicine cat so... can we say that Stormheart is Mistfeather's mate? We'd definitely put it as a note or a longer cite so it's explained thoroughly.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:48, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

I've always imagined Stormheart to be his mate, and I agree with you on this, Stealth. We should just say she is his mate.Broken_Foot

You want to assume? No name, no cite. It's an assumption to say his mate was Stormheart. If it wasn't mentioned, then we do not add it.

Nah, I don't think we could add it. It's one of those cases like how we know every cat was once a kit, because no cat just randomly appears as an adult, but we don't give them a cite for it. Similarly, while I personally think Stormheart is his mate, we can't add it due to our assumption rules.

Plus, I'm going to add that it's very possible Mistfeather's mate was forgotten. Look at when Vicky forgot Flamenose in Goosefeather's Curse, and there are many other examples throughout the series. Unless something explicitly names Stormheart as Mistfeather's mate (and need a add that they didn't even interact), it brings down the credibility of the wiki if we start adding assumptions based on very little canonical evidence.

I do think it is an assumption to say that Stormheart was Mistfeather's mate, but I still think it would be nice to include in the trivia that it is likely that she was his mate since no other she-cat we know died in the battle. <span style="">00:54 Fri Apr 7

Yes I like that idea of putting it in trivia, but not being official. I would also suggest putting a note with the trivia so users won't think that it is good enough cite and add Stormheart as a mate. What does everyone else think?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:50, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Eh, I don't really like the idea of having it in trivia, because then we would have to add it in for other instances like that.

i dont agree with it being added as trivia or a listing. as said she could've been forgotten and there's just no proof for it. someone will likely ask and it'll be answered or mentioned in a future book anyway. 08:12, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

"Hunters"
Alright, so I got the allegiances for Thunderstar's Echo in front of me, and the cats who aren't kits, apprentices, deputies, medicine cats, or leaders are called "Hunters". Should we add them as Hunters instead of Early Settlers, or both...?

Early Settlers aren't really a term used in the books so Hunters sounds like a more accurate name.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  10:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Anymore opinions? I agree with Stealth.

...it's literally been less than a day, and I'm pretty sure leads should be the only ones asking for more opinions on a discussion in any case. Regardless, I say add as just a Hunter, and then keep the ES listing if they have it from MFV. We didn't see some of these cats listed as Hunters in MFV, which shows that the Clans have further developed since then. I guess it'll be up to PCA whether these hunters get the warrior blank or the ES one.

Well, yeah, but there have been other discussions going on. It doesn't hurt to ask. `

Jaysnow, do not act like a lead in this case. Let the leads handle the "any more opinions" stuff. <span style="">19:31, 4/11/2017

Alright then. My apologies.

hunter sounds fine as a name listing to me, tbh. they're not quite warriors yet. 21:36, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Ok so I'm just gonna bring this up. I don't know the actual page number, as I have not actually read TE yet, but Skye just showed me this quote: "his foster daughter - moth flight's youngest kit - had grown up to be a fine young ThunderClan warrior". Warrior. That means that they are considered warriors. When I read TE, I'll provide the page number, but until then, I'll leave it up to Skye. <span style="">03:33, 4/12/2017

Alright, I found the page. It's 229 of the legends of the clans book, chapter 1 of the novella. So what do we do with this new bit of info now? <span style="">16:51, 4/12/2017

I still stand by listing them as hunters, for the allegiances sake at least. They are listed as Hunters, so...if anything, perhaps we could list as both? For example, we list "Tunnelers" from TR as both warriors and Tunnelers, so perhaps we can list them as warriors and hunters. But they definitely need to be listed as hunters, if anything.

I have another citation; warning spoilers for those who haven't read TE, but it says on page 288 and chapter 7: "But how could he look after tiny, helpless kits properly when he hadn't managed to protect his best friend, a powerful warrior?" <span style="">18:06, 4/12/2017

I'm for the listing of both, but only if said cat was called a warrior too, as in not every cat gets the warrior listing. (mostly because there isn't proof of that). otherwise fine with just having hunter listed. 06:40, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

you know what I changed my mind. if it's agreed, then anyone listed as a hunter should get the other too if that happens. 20:01, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

We should use the warrior blanks for them, since the Clan ways seemed to have been developed already <span style="">03:16, 4/15/2017

I agree with Broken. think we should use the warrior blanks. Also, Winter's cite says "Warrior", and that's probably not a mistake because they already have apprentices and deputies and things like that. 20:19, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Darktail's Kin
so shattered sky spoilers here

With the listing of Darktail's Kin (referred to as the Kin in the book) would this warrant a page? or should it simply be listed as a subcategory in the Darktail's Group page, similar to Slash's Group? 01:41, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I think that is more a World discussion, unless I'm wrong. I think it's the new name for Darktail's Group, or it was called that the entire time. Darktail's Group should be renamed.

Speaking of, we currently have Darktail's group as ShadowClan cats/rogues, but I think they should change to Darktail's Kin. I haven't read the book, but the allegiances show that ShadowClan currently is residing in ThunderClan, (Rowanstar, Tigerheart and Tawnypelt), who's left behind is Darktail's Kin. I think we should change it to as the allegiances say.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  10:27, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

they did still call themselves ShadoqClan in Thunder and Shadow, though, so that should probably stay and we can just add on thw Kin group.

I dunno, I put it here here because it's also an allegiance issue thing too I guess. move it if you want. the thing is do we know they were going by the Kin in TAQ-TAS? that's my issue here. we definitely know they were rogues though, but not if that was the name then. 19:16, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't have an issue with renaming Darktail's Group, but we could just mention somewhere that it was unnamed (to our knowledge) for some time. The book refers to all of those cats over and over as "the Kin", and so it probably should be changed.

I think it should be a sub category in Darktail's Group page. I think it should stay consistent.

another question while it's up here, if a cat is listed in the kin, do they get both a rogue listing as past and kin as current? or just the kin? this mostly applies to raven and rain I think. 19:46, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

I would think they'd get both. I mean, it's kinda like how in DTC when Skystar had a camp, but it was called 'Clear Sky's Camp', because it wasn't organized as such yet. Then, the cats got the listing for that, and additionally for SkyClan after that was named SkyClan. In this case, it could be that cats that were with what is now the Kin before it was called that simply get a rogue listing or one for 'Darktail's Group'.

They only started calling themselves the Kin after they took over ShadowClan, though? We never saw that before that, so wouldn't it be an assumption to label it as part of the same group that took over SkyClan's territory? Sure, they had some of the same cats (like Darktail himself), but unless they were called 'the Kin' during that time, we shouldn't combine the two, I don't think? Also, they were very much still ShadowClan after Darktail took over; that much is stated as such.

To make clear, I was replying to Skt's comment on only Rain, Raven, + (if there are some others) that were part of the original group would get the Rogue rank, Darktail's Group affie, then also get the Kin listing. They wouldn't necessarily be combined, but they'd get both. It transitions from one to the other, and cats that were around during the transition get both, just like some of the DoTC cats did when the Clans were created.

I haven't read the book but from what I can gather, they are definitely not ShadowClan. XD I think we should have them as Darktail's Kin, and Darktail's Group was a previous group. I think they should get a rank for it, (like 'Kin' or 'Darktail's Kin' or something) but they still are rogues, so they'll probably be treated similar to BloodClan. They are both groups of rogues trying to be Clans, but are not really.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:58, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

another question, you think they'd get a category similar to slash's cat, just darktail's cats or kin or smth? 21:26, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Lightningtail
it's me, your (un)favourite person. anyway, I was thinking maybe he should be renamed, since it seems similar to Gray Wing's case? was listed as such in sotc, was Lightning Tail right until his death and after, never mentioned as Lightningtail apart from that. I dunno. 03:17, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Kinda irks me that Gray Wing was renamed but not Lightning Tail.

Why would that irk you? We absolutely had 0% confirmation he died before he became Lightningtail. :/ <span style="">03:30, 4/12/2017

-shrugs- It just looks wrong because of all the Early Settlers names are spaced out and his isn't.

So? It is not changed until there is confirmation. We don't go on hunches. <span style="">16:37, 4/12/2017

I think it should be renamed, so we stay consistent. Since his current residence is StarClan, and is listed as Lightning Tail there, then that's what the page name should reflect.

Uh what more confirmation do we need? Like Skt said, he was only Lightningtail in Secrets of the Clans as opposed to all the other books he appeared in...

Again; so? We don't rename the page unless he was confirmed to have died as either Lightningtail or Lightning Tail. :/ <span style="">17:53, 4/12/2017

Oh, shoot. Forgot about that.

And he died as Lightning Tail, so rename the page.

Wahhh Lightning Tail's dead :'( Unless he appears in StarClan as Lightningtail (like Mothflight), then we should name his page Lightning Tail.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:00, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Lightning Stripe - Silver Nomination
If y'all expected me not to take this, I'd be surprised. Precious little one.

Max (Ro) - Silver Nomination
Interesting cat. He doesn't really have any other quotes, aside from his and the kittypets' exchange with Darktail that I'm not totally sure how to incorporate into his quotes section.. there's too many other quotes said within that to really do much of anything with it. If someone else has any ideas, go for it.

Shanty ~ Silver Nomination
I liked her.

Crystal ~ Silver Nomination
Ik the main quote is a piece of that one dialogue I included, but I felt that as her best quote, but I wanted to keep the dialogue too.

Ferris ~ Silver Nomination
ferris wheels :P

Rushtooth ~ Silver Nomination
I couldn't find anything quote worthy. 02:02, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Join request
Howdy there would you mind if I just joined this here project 18:29, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

the kittypet
...why does that guy even get an article? don't we have a minor characters article for a reason? he's not major in any way, and yes I'm aware cats like the old she-cat and the stranger exist. I'm of the opinion those shouldn't either. 19:50, April 17, 2017 (UTC)