Warriors Wiki talk:World

Events Timeline - Silver Nomination
I'm not sure whether we're supposed to nominate articles or not...but I'll nominate this. I think it looks fine. -- Ice The stars will light your path... 21:40, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's wonderfully done, but there can still be more information added to it. Bluestar's Prophecy, for example, which is a pretty big job. Still, not making it silver doesn't mean it's not good. Perhaps I'll go through BP and try and sort out the seasons and such. -- Bram ble  19:35, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

i have something to help you: Bluestar was born in Newleaf and apprenticed during Leaf-fall. → •Maple  fern•  ←  18:12, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Helix? Has this been updated enough? I can't tell because I don't the PO3 or OOTS series. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  08:48, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have those either, but the seem OK, I double checked with the info on this wiki and the browse insides. Fading Echoes is missing though. Helix 18:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Fading Echoes is the most major thing missing. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 19:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody working on this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:57, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

I added Fading Echoes but I think we should at least get a rough timeline for Bluestar's Prophecy up... that would really make it stand out. I'm willing to help try and sketch out the timeline (so to speak) if help is needed.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 14:51, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be a great help. बंदर  को पकड़ो !!!  05:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help too. I have my BP in my room. . . somewhere. . .  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  20:31, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I cannot help unfortunately - I don't have the book. Those who have it should maybe work together to draft it up. Helixtalk 03:48, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's totally ready. It has my vote!  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  23:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we need Bluestar's Prophecy done and I think it will be ready. Icefall Icy Winds 21:04, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, didn't notice that!  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  21:56, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Added as much as I could from the browse inside. SCARY MONSTERS with scarier alligators  and  suffering all around 08:54, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Should we add in some of the events near Into the Wild or Bluestar's Prophecy that's on BOTS? Sky wish  I'm Bob the Weasel and I'm SQUEAKY CLEAN! 22:58, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Willowpool, could you explain what you mean? Lightning talk 07:45, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think she means the events that are before or after Into the Wild and Bluestar's Prophecy that are mentioned in BOTS. Willowpool, is that what you were trying to say? 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 22:43, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, like...umm wouldn't the Lightning Strike with Dustpaw, Tigerclaw and Longtail place somewhere near Into the Wild? Sky wish  I'm Bob the Weasel and I'm SQUEAKY CLEAN! 02:53, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's BOTC', not BOTS. And in my opinion, it should be Between Bluestar's Prophecy and Into the Wild, though that looks a bit too long... Lightning talk 10:11, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

How could we make it shorter? Between Into the Wild, Bluestar's Prophecy, I was thinking...but that doesn't really make sense. ♥Ice shine★  22:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone going to work on this? ♥Ice storm★  21:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

BotC and Clan Pages
So I know it's a bit late after the release of BotC, but in the sections about the Clans, they have many details about the styles of fighting each Clan uses, which can't really go on any other pages but the Clan pages. So before adding them in randomly, I thought maybe a discussion should be in order? We could perhaps make a section near the top, near the territory section, summarizing the battle techniques? I'm open to suggestions or anything and then we can start adding this stuff :) insane  brick'd 16:29, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for the proposal. I'd like to point out that we already have a page on Clan-specific fighting styles that was created shortly after the release of BotC; I cannot remember its name, but I recall a discussion on its talk page asking whether it was needed. In case the contributors consider it unnecessary to have a separate article for it, I would suggest to merge it with Fighting Techniques as sub-sections. I disagree with adding it to the Clan articles; these should not be collections of all kinds of indiscriminate information, especially as they are already too diverse for an easy overview. They should rather act as hubs linking to dedicated articles relating to Clans (e.g. Territories, List of Cats, Camp, Border, Leader, Nursery etc). Of course, this is only my opinion, and if the contributors would rather add all info to the Clan articles, it's OK with me. :) 91.206.206.28 14:26, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Good idea Insaneular. Are there any concerns about this? Icefall★ Talk 15:16, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Tunneling
Speaking of which, do we need a page for Tunneling? •Maple fern•  10:00, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Icefall★ Talk 14:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ice and Maple. Why wouldn't we need this page? This wiki is meant to gather all Warriors-related information as explained here, so I don't understand why would someone delete a valid and informative article written about an aspect presented in the official books. But of course, maybe it's me who is missing something - I'm looking forward to hearing your view on the matter. :)  Helix talk 17:53, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I just thought there wouldn't be enough information for it. Now that you explain it, now, it makes sense. Icefall★ Talk 19:53, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tunneling? Did you mean tunnels? Lightning talk 06:26, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, she means tunnelling, in BotC there was a section about how WindClan used to dig their own tunnels using old rabbit tunnels or something like that (I didn't read it very closely XD) I think that could deserve a page of its own... but while we're talking about all this maybe we could think of an organization for the Clan pages in general? As Helix said, the Clan pages can't list everything about the Clan so they should link to other pages. Maybe each Clan page would have a short overview, the history, and the list of ranks, and then it would have some sort of navbox linking to info on its territory, special battle techniques, and anything else? insane brick'd 13:34, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

For the record, the article is Tunnelers.  Helix talk 19:08, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Clan Infobox
Insane, I'm glad you appreciate my input regarding the Clan pages. :) Regarding on how to do it, the first thing I could think of is an infobox (similar to charcat, book), listing relevant links - check here. The links are not final, we need to discuss what to include, and how to organize the concerned reference pages. Of course, if members would rather prefer a navbox-style element (or anything other), that can be done as well - I'm open for ideas. :) Kind regards,  Helix talk 09:04, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

That looks cool, good job Helix. So going by the links in there, we'd leave a short overview on the Clan page, and the history, and move everything else to separate pages? I think that would actually make reading the Clan pages a lot easier and prevent people from doing the old "tl;dr" as well as making it easier to find specific information :) insane  brick'd 12:30, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :) Yes indeed, that's what I propose; although we should decide which should be those "separate pages" (e.g. do we need pages for rank succession, births, deaths... or just use the Leader / Deputy..., Nursery, StarClan pages etc).  Helix talk 20:16, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like it. Great work. I think that would be a great idea. ♥Ice  shine★  15:57, July 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm all for implementing it the way it is. Any comments anyone? Lightning  talk 05:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. ♥Ice  storm★  02:58, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I will make it into a template. About the redlinks there... should we create separate articles for a timeline of ranks, births / deaths, listing them by Clan, or just link them to existing pages (like Nursery for births)?  Helix talk 07:41, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of making a page for the ranks, deaths, and births for each Clan and linking to the sections. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 07:44, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I also like that idea. It's a very orginazed way. ♥Ice  storm★  12:37, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think this is covered. Archiving once people get a chance to see. ♥Ice  storm★  21:26, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Feature Article
Hi all! There was a discussion on the Books project, talking about the opportunity to feature articles from all Projects on the front page (instead of only Characters). My opinion is that Project World can offer some articles to feature as well (actually I have had in mind a similar idea for a long time, but first I would like to improve some articles to an adequate level), and it would be a good opportunity to move World forward. I would like to hear your opinions on it, especially those of the Project leader / deputy - do we want to feature articles? Are we ready for it? Kind regards,  Helix talk 19:47, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be a great idea. I think we are ready for it, if all of us work together on articles. Icefall★ Talk 19:50, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea, and in my opinion, the Nursery page should be a good choice for being featured. Lightning talk 06:27, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I like it. Sky Storm's brewing... 21:54, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

The nursery page is well done, and it's looking good. I think it should be featured. ♥Ice storm★  22:52, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

That's a great idea and I agree, the nursery page would be a nice article to feature  Z  Nightsong 22:56, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. :) Moon    flight    Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ   01:13, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

The nursery page is beautiful. Quailflight 05:24, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I agree :) But I have a question about the Nursery page; some of the queens and kits are cited. Should they all be cited? Night  Fall 05:31, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Those aren't citations - they're notes or explanations similar to some like the ones on Events Timeline. For example, explaining that a kit dies in the middle of a book, or a queen adopts another queen's kit, or something like that. insane brick'd 14:53, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Any other concerns before this goes up for vote? (this stuff does go up for vote, right?) ♥Ice  shine★  22:26, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean, vote for featuring? As I understood, a World article gets featured only in August (the earliest), we have 3 weeks until then, so there's no hurry. Maybe there will be additional articles proposed in the meantime.  Helix talk 21:09, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I mean vote for featuring. Oh. :P Sorry ♥Ice  shine★  22:07, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

As August draws near (and we still need a week to conclude a vote on the feature article), we should decide in the next couple of days. I support the Nursery as well.  Helix talk 14:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I cited some things, but in the camp descriptions there are still some details left uncited... I think they should be fixed and then I support the nomination. -- Sandy star 20:53, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I fixed them all.  Helix talk 19:00, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, the nursery it is? And, when shall we have the nomination? ♥Ice  storm★  21:26, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Events Timeline - List
Originally, I planned the Birth / Death list in the Events Timeline to include only major characters so that the table could be overviewed easily, instead of inflating it with large lists (the focus is on presenting the events, not the births / deaths). However, I see that people tend to add minor characters to it as well. So I guess we should decide a guideline for it, to prevent a kind of "edit warring": I prefer the first option, but I'd like to hear your opinions as well.  Helix talk 16:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Add only major characters, and make a separate lists for all births / deaths (or simply use the Nursery / StarClan pages); OR -
 * Add all (or most) characters

I agree with you about the first option. ♥Ice shine★  16:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be cool if we kept this one as a more general one (like option 1) but then worked on another timeline that would go moon by moon and be very detailed. It'd be a large project but it would be pretty cool and definitely be something unique to this site. insane brick'd 14:55, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Insane's idea would be cool. We can keep this Events Timeline general, but if we created another one that was more detailed, that would be something fun to do. 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 15:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that would be really nice, but I don't know if we are able to do it due to the very scarce reference to time intervals, seasons, ages and the like (even the "current" list was quite hard to create). So... it would be quite a challenge... but we love challenges, right? :) I can try figuring out the New Prophecy series, if you wish. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 13:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the main series it's not as difficult as it may appear because Gatherings can be used as one-moon markers, the only tough parts are the timeskips between books/series, but we have that mostly figured out from this timeline. I actually started working on something like this on my computer a while ago - I think I got up to A Dangerous Path or The Darkest Hour. If people think this is actually a worthwhile idea I could show you what I have so far. insane brick'd 14:24, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

The only time skip in the original series I can think of in the original series is the three moon skip in Into the Wild. The time skips between series are easier: Original->TNP, five moons+Firestar's Quest+eight moons, TNP->TPoT, however many moons until Leafpool's kits are born+six moons, and TPoT->OotS, six moons even. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 21:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Goldenpaw. ♥Ice shine★  15:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Insane: you have a point with the Gatherings. As for my opinion: yes, your idea is worthwile, and you know that I support any article that supplies information regarding any aspect of the Warriors series. Thanks! :) <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 18:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I wrote up what I had so far here. it's informal and I may have missed some things, but it's just a quick draft. I was thinking we could use a format for the moon numbers similar to the BCE/CE format for years - Moon 0 being the moon that Rusty joins ThunderClan, and then negative moons would be before that. Just to simplify the numbers if we start adding history from before Into the Wild. When you do a timeline like this, it's really cool because you can see small details and even mistakes... like, did you know that Featherpaw and Stormpaw were apprenticed when they were only four moons old? XD insane  brick'd 12:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Although, for months, I recommend go with "normal" names instead of numbers (like January, February... - or if we wish in-universe terms, Mid-Leafbare, Late-Leafbare...) as it helps the reader greatly to overview the seasons and years. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say we should put the in-universe terms with the month names in parentheses. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 20:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put the in universe terms, as Goldenpaw said. ♥Ice shine★  16:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

One of the only issues I can see with the draft while skimming is that there isn't the three moon timeskip after Firestar's apprenticed. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 06:10, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that mistake, Goldenpaw, I'll fix it. And my only objection to using month names is that we don't know which month is which necessarily, since we only get the season from the books. Although it might be possible to figure out which is which by knowing that, for instance, the moon right before leafbare starts would be November. insane brick'd 13:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can be found out, in my opinion; there are hints like "early newleaf", "newleaf has just arrived" etc. It is enough to figure out a single month, and the rest will be automatically known. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 13:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know all of the months, so I can help out with the article if you like. ♥Ice  storm★  12:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, is this discussion over? ♥Ice  storm★  21:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Prey
The content drive, Prey, is not really getting much work on it done. We could have a great article if we all pitch in! One person can't do it alone. I have an idea on how to update book appearances, however. If we skim through a book and write down each page where a kind of prey is mentioned, then put it as a reference to the book in the book mentions section, we could have everything cited. For example, I did it for Fire and Ice. Here are three of the types of prey:

Rats- pages 3, 45, 67, 71, 72

Squirrels- pages 8, 104, 105

Mice- pages 9, 110, 119, 124, 134, 140, 146, 147, 150, 160, 166, 200, 234, 281, 287, 296, 297

Then you would make reference tags for them, like this for rats:

How's that? Echo star  Getting a tan 13:08, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we use the old reference tags, used on the character articles? ♥Ice shine★  15:53, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Do we wish to list every occurence when a prey is mentioned, or only more "memorable" events? <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 21:11, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I would say memorable events. ♥Ice shine★  22:09, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if we're doing references, shouldn't they be complete references, with every mention? Lightning talk 09:58, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure, really-- ♥Ice shine★  16:23, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

As long as they're references and not lists, I don't really think it matters. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 03:07, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Me either. ♥Ice storm★  21:35, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Camp - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate the Camp article for silver; it is a well-researched and complete reference material. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 13:29, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with it. <font color="Lime">Willow <font color="Lime">pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  19:44, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think it's ready. ♥Ice storm★  20:17, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Any concerns before it goes up? Lightning talk 10:54, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Vote's up. Lightning talk 11:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

River?
I was thinking last night about the rivers, and I was thinking that should we merge the two different articles (River Alba and River Chell) together, and call it lake territory and forest territory river. just a thought Tawny SMEASH 14:08, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Even if the cats refer to both of them as "river", they are entirely different locations and I do not see how can they be merged. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 07:36, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bonehill - Silver Nomination
I spent some time to update the article on the Bonehill. It is short, but everything is in place, and I suggest it for silver. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 07:37, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that this is ready. Nice work. -- Sandy star 18:56, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Any concerns before it goes up? Lightning talk 10:54, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Vote's up. Lightning talk 11:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

The Forest - Silver Nomination
And another one... The Forest Territories. An important reference article on the wiki, and I made sure that every topic is covered. <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 18:09, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Any concerns before it goes up? Lightning talk 10:54, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

None from me. It looks good. -- Sandy star 12:32, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Vote's up. Lightning talk 11:06, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Dormice?
Do we really need a dormice section for prey? Wouldn't just mice work? Also, I don't remember reading anything about dormice. Tawny SMEASH 12:20, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Wasn't it mentioned in the second series? I might be wrong, but I think the 6 cats ate one of those on their journey. ♥Ice storm★  12:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you... I think the prey page is making too many assumptions and needs to focus on what the cats would call these things. ie. mice, rats, frogs, pigeons, voles, water voles, shrews etc. Rather than differentiating between subspecies of these as no cat would know the difference anyway and there is no written proof anywhere that these species are correct... Just my thoughts. -- Sandy star 12:27, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

They're not the same thing, though. Mice are a specific genus, while dormice are a different family all together. I think we should just use the most general classification of the prey that only contains that type of prey on the Wikipedia link. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 19:06, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Sometimes the prey names and/or descriptions seem too. . . human. W   a  t  e  r   bender <font color="#009dff">MouseHRULES!   02:24, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Mouse is right. Twoleg language-ish XD <font color="Lime">Willow <font color="Lime">pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  02:20, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

So, should we remove it from the article or keep it there? ♥Ice storm★  21:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Diseases and Injuries - Silver Nomination
I nominated Diseases and Injuries for silver some time ago, but the contributors requested a full list of book mentions. I have added them now (see the Book Mentions list), and also some references; hope it's OK - in my opinion it qualifies for silver. Kind regards, <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 20:36, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * And in mine. Especially as it has proved my sanity =) -- Sandy star 20:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I also believe it is ready. ♥Ice storm★  21:37, July 24, 2010 (UTC)