Warriors Wiki talk:World

Gathering
Thought I should bring this up. The article looks honestly very confusing to use (and base off) and it's really confusing to edit. I've been working on it for a few days yet I can't seem to grasp the basics, for example, not all moons and seasons are mentioned in the Gatherings. Is there anyway we can simplify this? 18:57, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also we kind of need a guideline on how much history an article neds, such as ThunderClan or ShadowClan. Basically it seems like that on some articles, the entire book is used as a summary, yet on others there's hardly anything. We should come up with a basic guideline on how these articles should be formatted, and what should be used.

-Just as a suggestion, but the list of gatherings might be a bit more organized and easy to use if it's like the structure of the Events Timeline? I dunno, I think it would be... 00:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Any other commnets/suggestions/ideas? 16:01 Sun Jan 31

No, I do like your suggestions. 03:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Any other comments before I go an make the table for the Gatherings?

The one thing that I don't really know what to do about, though, is SkyClan... I'm thinking perhaps an entirely different table could be made for them, and put under the table listing the gatherings for the original 4 clans? 22:48 Fri Feb 19

Maybe ... If you're talking about SkyClan's only Gathering, then yes they should probably have their own template, but if you're talking about ancient SkyClan they go with everyone else. 12:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Can we get some more commernts on this? 01:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that a table would be easier to use, but may I suggest holding off on SkyClan for a little? There's a chance that with Hawkwing's Journey, and the 6th arc that SkyClan may merge with the other Clans. I don't think we should make a table for SkyClan, only for them to merge and it would be pretty much useless.

Maybe ... does anyone want to try to draft up to let Maple draft up the table (when she comes back ofc) with the remaining suggestions? 02:05, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

So Spooky how do you think the SkyClan gatherings should be shown? Now that I think about it, it would be interesting if they were put on the same table with the regular Clans, just noted to be at their own seperate Gathering, because I actually would be curious to see when a SkyClan gathering takes place compared to the other Clan Gatherings.

Also, I'll try to start the table draft tomorrow, but if anybody else wants to start, they can do it here. 05:49 Wed Mar 30

I was thinking we'd have some type of separate column, so we could see side by side how the Gatherings compare. Idk to include some of the ones in the Field Guides though... Some have context clues for placing and some are just random...

I think I get what you're saying, but that might look a bit messy with a SkyClan gathering block sticking out every here and there. Keep in mind, there were few SkyClan gatherings that the reader actually saw, so I'm not sure if it deserves its own section. Why don't I make a draft of what I am imagining the table to look like, then you can describe where you think it should go? Because I might be understanding you wrong. 01:59 Sat Apr 2

Okay, so you can now see the draft on the subpage. I'll link it again: User:Mapleclaw/Gathering sandbox. Imo, it would be too cluttered for all of the Clans to each get a section, but that's just my opinion. Also, you guys can feel free to try out an idea you have yourself, just please copy another table and put it with the changes beneath, so that the original shows, that way it would be easier to see the changes. Anyways, I'd really appreciate some opinions/comments. 03:20 Sat Apr 2

Hmm, I think it's really important to list what each Clan says. I think we should just have a template similar to Erin Hunter Answers Your Questions Fall 2010 and that. It goes in order of who speaks first and that, instead of just ThunderClan first then etc etc.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  05:24, April 3, 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's pretty much what the template is like right now, and I think that was what Icy meant when she said it was confusing and hard to use... At least imo, it looks kind of cluttered and unorganized like that... Unless you meant that in my draft it should have all the Clans listed per gathering. I just had one or two Clans per Gathering because I felt too lazy to put them all in. 23:40 Sun Apr 3

any other comments or should this be used as the template for Gatherings? 20:14 Sun Apr 10

Events Timeline
Okay so I was looking at this page, and it's really unorderly and needs lots of cites, but also, the years before Rusty entered the forest are missing some years (such as 2, 3, 5) and that seems kind of confusing. Also, with the novellas that seem to constantly go farther back into Warrior's history, if the events in say Mapleshade's Revenge (I think that's the earliest novella, right?) are to be added, then all of the years after that would need to have their number changed and it would just be confusing. I think it might be a better idea just to start with Rusty putting his first paw into the forest as year 0, then anything before that would be "___ Years BF" (before Firestar :P). Or just 'Year -1' or something. (Although really, I don't think that we know for sure how many years passed between sections of BP and ITW...)

Also, the Early Settlers should definitely have a timeline, because they got a whole series to themselves, and were really important. But since it would just make the page even more messy to add them in, I'm thinking that it would be a good idea just to make an Early Settler Timeline by itself.

Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions? 15:26, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking the same sorts of things. Honestly, I cannot tell when Goosefeather's Curse is, or maybe even when Bluestar was born. 06:33, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, the book order should be as follows, given the context within each book. (not counting prologues and graphic novels):
 * The Sun Trail, Thunder Rising, The First Battle, The Blazing Star, A Forest Divided, Path of Stars, and Moth Flight's Vision
 * Cloudstar's Journey
 * Mapleshade's Vengeance
 * Goosefeather's Curse
 * Tallstar's Revenge, Yellowfang's Secret, Crookedstar's Promise, and Bluestar's Prophecy (all of these take place around the same time, but events within the book and context clues place them in this order)
 * Into the Wild, Fire and Ice, and Forest of Secrets
 * Tigerclaw's Fury, The Elders' Concern, and Rising Storm (all happens within the same range of time)
 * A Dangerous Path and The Darkest Hour
 * Firestar's Quest and SkyClan's Desitiny
 * Midnight, Moonrise, Dawn, Starlight, and Twilight
 * Leafpool's Wish
 * Sunset
 * After Sunset: We Need to Talk
 * The Sight, Dark River, Outcast, Eclipse, Long Shadows, and Sunrise'''
 * Hollyleaf's Story (starts after Hollyleaf runs away in Sunrise, and then leads up to The Forgotten Warrior)
 * The Fourth Apprentice
 * Mistystar's Omen and Fading Echoes
 * Night Whispers, Sign of the Moon, The Forgotten Warrior, and The Last Hope
 * Dovewing's Silence
 * Bramblestar's Storm
 * The Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow

I can't place Ravenpaw's Farewell in the list yet, since I really am unsure where it goes. I'll need to check the book once it comes out.

If I may pop in and add the mangas to your list. I have an excel document where I have done my best to map out the events throughout the Warriors series, though it's very long and I'm not sure how it would translate to a wikia page. I'd would like to partner up with someone to fill out the Events Timeline page, though I'd need to learn the page's coding (that table you have there) and discuess which filler stuff I need to cut out of my timeline. ThirteenthStar (talk) 09:05, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Rise of Scourge starts in Bluestar's Prophecy and ends at A Dangerous Path/The Darkest Hour
 * The Sasha and Tigerstar arc begins in A Dangerous Path and ends during Firestar's Quest
 * Ravenpaw's arc begins soon after Firestar's Quest but I'm not sure when it ends (I only have the first book :P)
 * I think Graystripe's arc takes place in Dawn/Starlight and of course ends in The Sight.
 * SkyClan's arc starts in Twilight/Sunset and I do not know when it ends. (Again, I only own the first book.)

I'll make a page called 'Early Settler Timeline' then, for events from The Sun Trail-Moth Flight's Vision, unless anyone disagrees? 23:11 Sun Jan 24

I disagree. I don't think we need a timeline for that because it fits right in with Events Timeline. If we need a differnet timeline we might as well make timelines for each series. 01:30, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

But it doesn't really fit in; it's an entirely different chain of events. We have no clue how much time passed between Moth Flight's death and Goosefeather's birth. Into the Wild- the Last Hope all are in order, and we know how many moons and years passed between each consecutive book, even if they are different series. 01:49 Wed Jan 27

Why not just organize and number the years into 'eras'. Example: We'd begin with the Dawn of the Clans era. The first year (Basically just The Sun Trail) would be labelled DotC Year 1 or something then continue until Moth Flight's Vision. After that would be the "Scattered Years" era. Which is Code of the Clans to Goosefeather's Curse where you can number the years if you want but specify where the years are in an unknown order. Then you get into all the books we have an order for. ThirteenthStar (talk) 02:22, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oops thought I responded to this a while ago. The thing is, if DoTC events come first, the main series will be pushed to the back, and I think it would be a bit too long of page. If others still think that all the events should be in one page, though, I think a good way to make it more organized and easy-to-use could be to make those pop-up table things (like in the Ceremonies or Leader Information boxes). Thoughts/other opinions/comments?

Also, what are the thoughts on making, Into the Wild Year 1, and all years before that "Year -1", or "1 YBF" or something like that? 23:10 Sat Jan 30

Could I have some thoughts on this please? 20:07 Sat Feb 13

I think that Into the Wild should be regarded as year 1 (YBF), the start of the Warriors prophecy, while DOTC could be provided as years during the prequel series. It doesn't make sense, but just realize that DOTC is a prequel, and is not apart of the first, second, third, or fourth series. Just like how there's a prequel for a movie. 03:39, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

I guess. Unless there are any objections then, I'll change the years for the current timeline... I don't know when the Early Settler timeline would start though, because I have no clue (is it even ever revealed?) how much time passed between when like when the ancients left the lake, and when the cats journeyed out on the Sun Trail. If the same format is followed, I think it might make sense to have The Sun Trail be Year 0, and all years before that be, 'x YBST' or something. 22:42 Fri Feb 19

I went and changed the titles of the years, tell me if you think something about it should be changed. 22:56 Mon Feb 22

Okay so what about the Early Settlers timeline? I forgot a lot of it, so if someone wouldn't mind refreshing my memory, but is the time between when Jay's Wing told the cats to leave the Lake, and the journey to follow the Sun Trail, known? <span style="">21:13 Tue Mar 15

Well, it wasn't really revealed but I'd say we could make a pretty accurate guess. Lion's Roar had been born shortly before Jayfeather had to leave the mountain cats, and Half Moon was still alive and everything. Plus, we know when she died due to the bonus scene featuring Sun Shadow. Idk if it's good to guess on something like a timeline though.

Yeah, I mean it is and assumption. Kate or Vicky could always be asked, of course, but without them saying exactly how much time passed, it shouldn't be guessed. In that case, unless someone with a BlogClan/facebook account would be willing to ask, I'll add the Early Settlers section to the Timeline, and have year 0 of that era be the journey to the sun trail. <span style="">21:56 Wed Mar 16

I actually think we can get it done if we at least count the moons together due to the seasons and stuff. How about we look back at those books? I know that Jayfeather went back in time, and it was leafbare, I think? A few days definitely passed during his time, so Lion's Roar must've been approximately 1 day when he left, or two at the most. If I go back in The Sun Trail, I'm sure we can make an estimate of how long the cats have been on the mountain, and if you count Gray Wing's age and go to the bonus scene, we can count how long Half Moon had been there before she died. 00:33, March 17, 2016 (UTC)

Who's ready for some MATH?

Let's get straight to it.

Let's calculate Jayfeather's age. He's born in Leafpool's Wish, and he stays at the hollow tree for what ... half a moon? It's late leaf-bare, because the snow thaws at the end. However it's still snowing. In The Sight it's winter as well which actually means these three were apprenticed way too early. Jaypaw is apprenticed in leaf-bare, and at the end of The Sight, it's newleaf. In Dark River, it's newleaf. It continues where The Sight left off. Jaypaw is now 2 years old at Sunrise, and if you subtract the winter and fall, he's around 1 and 9 months when ''Long Shadows' occurs.

In Long Shadows, Fallen Leaves had been gone for a month when Jaypaw become a Sharpclaw. It's greenleaf when Jay Wing arrives, and when they get to the mountains, it's leaf-bare. I'd calculate that it was about late greenleaf when the Ancients left, so maybe August or September? I'd like to think Fallen Leaves disappeared during July. I think it's leaf-bare when the cats come to the mountains because Dark Whiskers got blown off by an ice storm, so what I want to think is that they left in late September, and arrived in August. Now we know that's not how long it took Lionblaze and the others to travel to the mountains, but keep in mind this was a small group who probably didn't know where they were going. It's later confirmed that it is leaf-bare, so I still stick to my decision that it's December. Lion's Roar is born then.

So let's count how many days Jay's Wing is there. I think it' December because obviously the mountains are full of snow, and I think it's near leaf-bare. So I think it's obviously near December 21st (for winter, keep in mind this is a ROUGH calculation and I'm failing math, and it's never confirmed what month it is anyways).

So let's start at 21st. Jay's Wing arrives there at December 21st, and stays the day. He then goes to sleep, so when he wakes up, it's December 22nd. Lion's Roar is born on that day. Lion's Roar is one day old when Jay's Wing left, so he was born in leaf-bare (for my calculations I guesS).

In the prologue for The Sun Trail, it's leafbare. Half Moon says she's lived for three times as long in the mountains than she has in the lake. So, she was 1 year old in the lake (because she's a softpaw). That means she's three years old. Makes no sense, right? Lion's Roar seems old, so he must be 2 years. I have no idea why these cats are referred to as "ancient" when they're really young, so guys, if I made an error, please point that out.

Also in the The Sun Trail, it's winter, and Gray Wing talks about how in summer he was still a kit. Now, leaf fall has passed, so that's three months - assuming that when you stop being a kit you're six months. That makes Gray Wing nine months old during the beginning. I want to say it's January at the beginning of the Sun Trail because that's when snow is the hardest, so we're going for three moons each season here.

When they reach their new territories it's "the warm season", so it's newleaf. They were traveling for three months give or take, because it's stated that it's early. Then during the end, the cold season is coming. Leaf-fall, maybe? Because it's just pricks of cold air, so we're going for 6 months after they reach the new territories. When Jagged Peak comes back, it's winter for sure, so it's three months after, meaning they've been in the territories for nine months. Also, Thunder comes back in the cold season, so I think it's January again, making Gray Wing 18 months, so over a year.

In Thunder Rising the cold season is coming to an end, so late March, three moons after January. Thunder is 3 moons old now. Okay, so when Wind Runner and Gorse Fur come, Thunder is still there, and they had been saying it were three moons since they asked them to join. That'd make Thunder 6 moons by now. Then, after Turtle Tail's kits are born, he's seven moons. So Thunder joins Clear Sky's group for two moons, making him 9 moons. He leaves about half a moon later, making him 9 and a half.

My knowledge here is that several = seven. That means 7 moons passed since the fire, and Thunder was about .. 6 moons. 7 moons passed, he's 13 now. Now it's leaf-bare in The First Battle, when it was summer and newleaf in Thunder Rising. Now let's see if our math adds up. 3 + 3 + 3 = 9, so yes, Thunder is 9 when he leaves. In The First Battle, it says several moons have passed, so 7 have passed since the fire. That means Thunder has lived on the moor for 6 months again, so when he left it was leaf-fall, so it's leaf-fall again. Gray Wing is 42 moons (give or take), so 3 years is what I'm going to bet. The cats have been at the territory for less than three years, so I'm giving it that they were there for two and a half years now. Then it becomes warm season, so 3 months after. That gives Thunder a 16 month span. So The First Battle ends at newleaf.

Now let's give Half Moon a look back. 3 years when she came, 2 years during the forest. That'd make her 5 years, but I'm counting this as an error because Half Moon is definitely much older than that. It's leaf-fall in The Blazing Star, so 14 months after The Great Battle. Thunder is 30 months. Gray Wing is now 4 years. Okay, so it's greenleaf when One Eye comes around. That'd be 9 months after new-leaf. Thunder is 39 months. Gray Wing is five years. When One Eye is ambushed, it's leaf-bare. 6 months after One Eye has arrived. Gray Wing is close to 6 years. Thunder is 3 years.

Let's move on to A Forest Divided. It's leaf-bare so it continues straight off The Blazing Star. Clear Sky states that "only a few moons ago, he and Thunder came close". I think that was around The Blazing Star, so that doesn't really count now. Okay, so it's still leaf-bare when these guys move around to new territories. It's leaf-bare throughout this entire book, but it's still close to newleaf.

It's a year after A Forest Divided, because we're back to leaf-bare again in Path of Stars. Gray Wing is now close to 7 years. Thunder is now near 4 years. Gray Wing dies at 7 years.

In Moth Flight's Vision, two months passed after Gray Wing died. It must be close to newleaf by now. my eyes sting from writing this Let's use Moth Flight's age now. We can add Gray Wing to it later. Moth Flight is almost a year when newleaf comes because she says it is her first newleaf, so let's say she was born in greenleaf. That makes her 9 months old when newleaf rolls around. A year after, Moth Flight finds the Moonstone, so she's 2 years now. At the end of the book, it's "a few moons until leaf-bare", so it must be around fall. That makes Mothflight around almost 4 years. So we take 7 + 4, and that's 11 years. The Clans have been there for about 11 years but keep in mind you must minus nine months.

Once again, I have an F in math. I got a 5/26 on my last quiz. I have a 41% in math. I may not be right. I may be extremely off, but I did try hard and I hope I'm at least a little bit correct. If someone wants to check this over and correct it themselves, feel free to do so. But this is just my observation, on how long the timeline should be. 01:35, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

I actually think all of that is correct except for maybe... I vaguely remember Brook telling her kits they had to be eight moons old to leave the cave, so if that's true it would shift everything 2 moons forward.

Well, remember that that was way after the early settlers, and I don't know if it's about leaving the cave, just stop being a kit. I'm not sure about that, but even then ... you do bring up a valid point so I'm not so sure. 16:05, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Does anyone want to disagree with my timeline? 02:06, March 26, 2016 (UTC)

Wow Icy I am really impressed with how you managed to do all that math and stuff. I'll look at this ASAP tomorrow for mistakes. <span style="">05:38 Wed Mar 30

My brain hurts and I've only looked at a fraction of this... I still have no clue how you kept track of all of that. Anyways, first why do you think that the Ancients left in late greenleaf? Also, for your halfmoon age, she said she lived three times as many moons in the mountains as by the lake, so she might be getting really specific here. But she would actually be 4 years old, because she lived a year in the lake, so 3 years in the mountains, which adds up to 4 years actually, not 3. But are all softpaws a year old? Or can they be older? For example if Half Moon was 15 moons old when she left, instead of 12, then that would add an extra year and make her 5 years old, since 15x4=60. Also, her age in travelling to the mountains should also be accounted, because that adds an extra 4ish months that she lived total. Still though, you're right, because even if she's 5.5 years old, that's not ancient. It could end up being a mistake on the editor's part; they might have just meant 3 times as many moons as an estimate and not literally, or they probably didn't know that that would actually make Half Moon turn out not to be quite old. Or idk, is 5.5 months old? <span style="">02:21 Thu Mar 31

Several hints in the book. "The cold season is coming", aka leaf-fall, "the cold winds of the air," "I can already feel the cold winds", "the warm season is coming to an end." I'm comparing softpaws to an apprentices, who become warriors when they are a year. I did take in traveling into her age, because I assumed she was one year old when leaving and ended up into the mountains. So she lived a year in the mountains, traveled to the mountains, but still was a year. She states she lived three times as long as she did in the mountains, and well ... 1 x 3 is 3. That's swhy I said three months. 02:43, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Well if she lived in the lake for one year, and lived in the mountains three times that, she would have lived in the mountains 3 years and the lake 1 year, making her 4 years old. But there were some apprentices that became warriors at much older than 1 year old, and softpaws might have been sharpclaws at a slightly older age than apprentcies became warriors... I think its assuming to say that she was a year old when she left the lake, particularly considering that it doesn't add up to her being old. What does everyone else other than me and Icy think? <span style="">03:35 Thu Mar 31

I want to point out something about A Forest Divided and Path of Stars. POS does not take place one year after AFD. It's the same leaf bare...AFD was early leafbare, and POS was the rest of it, basically. I never found any implication of it being an entire year. Let's use some cats for examples. Dew Nose, Storm Pelt, and Eagle Feather are apprentice age by POS, which makes sense. They'd be a lot older if it were a year. Star Flower would have given birth to her kits by the beginning of POS if this were the case. It just doesn't add up. Sorry if that seemed a bit rude, just pointing it out. Jaysnow (talk) 03:48, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Idk how you guys figured all that out, but you're in the ballpark. I sorta think Maple's a little more accurate, but I'm tired so I'll look closer later.

Look, I understand that I made mistakes, and I myself think that it's a year after due to the implements. It doesn't matter about apprentice age because apprentices didn't exist back then. And Maple, I do agree with you. Does that mean we shift everything forward a year, or just leave it as that? 18:11, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, PoS takes place right after AFD, since Star Flower couldn't have been stolen for a year.

As for Half Moon's age, I guess we can just say that it was approx. 3 years between when the cats left the mountain and when they arrived in the mountains. We can go into the details of that later, I think. <span style="">23:24 Thu Mar 31

Okay so here: "It's leaf-fall in The Blazing Star, so 14 months after The Great Battle." Actually, TBS takes place right after TFB, since if you look at the beginnings and end, TBS takes place right where TFB ended, after the battle. <span style="">23:18 Sat Apr 9

The Great Sickness
For more discussion see the archive (enough people agreed that a page should be made); the heading titles that have came up were:

Key Mewments

A Bad Cat-titude

Meow-Nificent Recovery

<span style="">00:18 Tue Apr 5

Idk what the titles should be, but (imo) one needs to feature Littlecloud and Whitethroat cause that was an important part. I think the puns are a bit unprofessional, in this case.

Yeah, I know. Protip: I was kidding when I came up with those. :P 03:28, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

Journey to Find Sparrow
So this is in Tallstar's Revenge and it's a really big event in the book. He meets Jake and y'know, just a lot of other stuff. It has a pretty good chunk of the book, but I can't prove it (here on the wiki) cause the article isn't done? and it came out in 2013

Are we making articles of all the journeys now? Yeah, it's a huge part of Tallstar's Revenge, and I think part of the reason it's not done is because 2013 was an iffy time for the wiki... but seriously? I say it's important enough. Would that cover when he left WindClan, met Jake, and then traveled to find Sparrow and the events that transpired after they joined the group? Or just until he found him?

Anyone's allowed to contribute to this page right Jaysnow (talk) 23:46, April 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yup, poor Maple has so many discussions to archive. It's a buzzin' I'd like to think it starts when he leaves WindClan, and ends when he returns. And yeah, anyone can contribute but I assume someone will do the bulk of the work, then get credit for the nomination. Idk.

Yes we're pretty much doing all of the major journeys. 03:31, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think this is necessary since the journey is a major plot point in the book.

The Long Dry
Hey, do you guys hate me yet? Okay, so I was reading Bramblestar's Storm and Molewhisker mentions how the lake dried up in "The Long Dry", and Blossomfall tells him that Dovewing and Lionblaze went from ThunderClan, and several other cats went to fight the beavers and bring the lake back. So technically Molewhisker mentioned that as a significant event, because if not, he wouldn't have called it by "The Long Dry". Now, I know we have "Journey to the Beaver Dam", but the Long Dry is kinda different, isn't it? I'm not sure - maybe we could rename that, or just add the fact that it's also known as The Long Dry. 03:31, April 6, 2016 (UTC)

If it's called The Long Dry, then that's probably what the page name should be. However, "Journey to the Beaver Dam" could serve as a redirect for those who haven't read Bramblestar's Storm yet.

Yup, totally needs an article

Completely agreeing with Cloudy. The one thing is, I think the article on the journey isn't really focused as much on the lack of water as the journey itself; maybe there could be a bit more detail on how little water there was. <span style="">22:31 Wed Apr 6

True ... but somehow I don't think The Long Dry and The Journey To The Beaver Dam should be the same page because they both have different names ... Not sure right now. 00:50, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Was it ever actually called, 'Journey to the Beaver Dam'? I think it probably would have been referred to as just 'the journey' etc. without caps, making it not a title. Most of the events articles weren't actually named in the books either, and I think this journey was one of them? Idk I might be wrong though <span style="">02:12 Thu Apr 7

I've just done a word-search, and it is not mentioned as 'Journey to the Beaver Dam' in any of the OoTS books, BS, or TAQ.

Actually, I'm just realizing, but if Journey to the Beaver Dam will be renamed 'The Long Dry' w/ a redirect, then Journey to the Lake Territories should be renamed to 'The Great Journey' (it's already a redirect to journey to the lake, but I'm saying it should be the other way around). Similarly I think for the Battle Against the Dark Forest- I don't think it was ever called that, but I do know it was called The Great Battle (which redirects to to that page) <span style="">20:12 Sun Apr 10

Yep, that sounds good. Redirects are the best when it comes to different titles. 03:03, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Simplyifying The Template
As you can see, I've started working on something that might tell me the timeline of the series. It's a long way to go, so if anyone could help me, that'd be great. But the thing is, I want to use the Events Timeline template, but that really is complicated. Does anyone know if we could specifically dumb it down to a few templates itself - like one specifically for greenleaf, newleaf, etc? Am I making any sense? 21:31, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Well, you could use one of these: It's sorta simple, for something like this...

Is that the same thing on the Events Timeline page? Or did you come up with that? I've never seen that before o.O 21:41, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

It's not the same thing... It's a simplified table that I made with a friend while sandboxing

Ugh same I hate using the events timeline template (and tbh the colors are way too bright also). Spooky do you know if you could you somehow switch your template so that the seasons aren't side-by-side, but up-and-down? <span style="">22:25 Thu Apr 7

Does this work?

I think it does, actually. I'll try to use that for brainstorming - if it's okay with you? 22:34, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Go for it-- I might help you out

Can I archive this, or do we plan on changing the entire Events Timeline template itself? <span style="">20:10 Sun Apr 10

I'd like to change the Events Timeline Template itself. yes, it'd be a lot of work but it's nowhere near complete yet anyway so we may as well!

Battle Against the Badgers
I think this killed 3 cats, pretty much caused the reincarnation of Cinderpelt as Cinderheart, included Leafpool and Crowfeather leaving the Clans, and was an important battle that took ThunderClan a while to recover from, so I definitely think it deserves a page too. <span style="">21:57 Fri Apr 8

Yup, definitely needs a page

Prey
Okay so imo, this page is honestly quite unorganized.

First, the book mentions: I'll bet that half of the books that the prey was mentioned in isn't listed there. Also, I think it's kind of pointless to even list what books a prey was mentioned in, since it only lists the book and not really anything else on how many time it appeared, its significance, etc. Also, if the mentioned books should be written, they should at least get cites for the first appearance (although of course many animals appear/are mentioned several times, which is why I think it's pointless to have the 'mentioned books' section). Additionally, why should prey get a mentioned section, when medicine doesn't?

Another thing is the appearances spot. Most preys have a couple of random appearances throughout the whole series, when it must only be a small fraction of the amount of times they actually appeared- we all know that mice appeared much more than just 4 times in the entire series. Listing all of the appearances would make the page way too long, and would be way too much work. Basically, I think the appearances section should be removed, or kept only for special cases (such as the worms in GC).

Sorry if that sounded like a rant, I didn't mean for it to. Comments? <span style="">17:01 Sat Apr 9

I agree, but the special mentions should be kept such as, yes, the worms. And then also the Blazing Star sickness, and maybe even mention how rabbits were poisoned in the early NP arc.

Yeah there's no need to have the book mentions I don't think. Everything else is fine though, but you're right about citing the first appearance. However seeing the prey helped me a ton, and I don't think the article should be removed. 03:02, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

The Great Hunger ~ Silver Nomination
This is the first event I've written, so please tell me if there is anything I should change to have it match the others. Also, I didn't know what to put for trivia, so if anyone knows of any mention of this event in BP/any other trivia, please tell me. Comments? <span style="">20:00 Sun Apr 10

Comments before vote? <span style="">22:39 Thu Apr 14