Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Template for redirect
Looking at redirect pages, there is no consistency with the way they are written. To be professional, I believe that we should have a template, or at least a guide, to write redirects so that they are all consistent with one another. 14:13, May 17, 2018 (UTC)

I agree^^ I'd think a template could be made for this fairly easily, but we could also do a guide. Consistency ftw

A guide is a nice idea.

Any more comments? 02:15, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with a guide, but what our (idk how to phrase this) guidelines for being consistent? (hooray for unexplainable ideas)

Summaries (Again)
I would really like some comments on this, whether you disagree or agree, because this just keeps getting archived with no clear conclusion. Can we please discuss writing some summaries, after a cat's description? Say someone does not want to read the entire history, just wants a quick snippet of the character - can we work for each major character, and each supporting one, a little overview of what their personality is, their events in the book, etc? 03:16, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

Until we can chop down on PC's concerns list more, I personally have to disagree. While it's a nice idea that would totally work in the future, I don't think we should start a project of this caliber when we already have so much to do - and to divide the attention of those few writing sections consistently - would only intensify the problem of falling behind on histories. I'd be in support of this idea probably around... the gap after AVoS because we'll most likely have a break then, since it is a good concept, but it's one I don't believe we have the capaility to see all the way through right now.

Your point is valid, which is why I am not suggesting we do all of it at once. It is just an option to have so if by chance anyone wants to do a quick summary, the option is available as PC would have agreed on it. 12:04, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

This is a great idea.

Any more comments? 02:21, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I actually disagree with Spooky; I am strongly in support of writing character summaries. If anything, I think that being behind on articles might be even more of a reason to write article summaries; there are a lot of major characters like Violetshine or Windstar which have sections of their histories that are understandably not filled in because they appear so many times. I think that, especially since the histories are incomplete, a short summary for these major characters would be good so that readers know what they did in the series. Often the most important characters don't have their book histories written because they do so much in the book that it takes a long time to write, but if I have the same idea of a summary as Icy does, then these summaries could be written relatively quickly. Also, to be honest, I think it will be a long time before all of the detailed histories are finished for all the characters, so I don't think we should wait until they are all completed. 18:56 Wed Jun 13

Any more comments?

Unnamed residence cats
Since Needletail said that all the cats in purgatory went to StarClan, would that include Spikefur? He was in there Tree sensed him, which was chapter 5. And when Needletail told Alderheart that they went to StarClan when they gave the message to them, which was in chapter 6. I'm wondering if he would be in StarClan as well, or still in the unknown residence. 00:20, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

Did Needletail say "they all went to StarClan?" If "all" is there, I think Spikefur would be included. 00:17, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

no, I don't think so. it said "once we had delivered our message" and spikefur was not included in that group. 00:19, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Her exact quote is "Yes. Once we had delivered our message, we were able to move on to join StarClan."

"We" may refer to all of the unnamed residence cats, but it could also refer to the ones that died at the lake. I'm unsure. 00:20, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

it seemed pretty clear that it was the cats who surfaced from the lake in that one scene....which he wasn't a part of. he might not even have been dead then, since he joined the remnants of the kin for a while before he died. 23:11, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

If he is not stated specifically it probably should not be included. 00:42, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Any more comments?

Beetlewhisker
Beetlewhisker does not have his AVOS sections listed on his article, and although he did die, it is still his article and is still the same character, mistake or not. Should he not have those sections listed? He still appears - and Heavystep has his appearances as well, despite dying. 00:42, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I think we should list them for both characters, since we kept Rippletail's appearance in TS despite it being contradicted.

A mistake is a mistake, and Kate herself has even said more than once that these appearances are mistakes for Beetlewhisker. I'm sorry, but I feel we should not be documenting mistakes on in the history sections, as we do not document mistakes for the infoboxes up top.

Then there should be a page or a section somewhere that details Beetlewhisker’s appearances because omitting him is omitting information. 21:11, June 16, 2018 (UTC)

maybe you could add another subsection the mistakes page that has detailed errors like this? like "detailed character errors" or something thats beyond the usual pelt error colours. 21:18, June 16, 2018 (UTC)

hmm yeah I like that idea^^ cats like Rippletail do need a section to detail said error imo, because for his in particular, he played a decent role even though it wasn't supposed to happen

Any more comments?

I feel the agreement is to include it in a separate section, or at least include it in general...should we make a subpage? Something like "Beetlewhisker/Appearance Errors" and then document when he appears post-The Last Hope? Given he's not just allegiance only, has an apprentice, and was confirmed to be the same Beetlewhisker by Kate.

Unknown Residences
Hi everyone, sorry for this.

Should Jake and the other cats - not Clan cats - such as Tom and other cats who were said to walk in some sort of skies - have their own status? Perhaps a genuine "unknown residence". 01:49, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I would agree with it, because it's not right to ignore that they are walking in some sort of skies. even if they don't get a blank for it, they should have some sort of listing. (and maybe change needletail and such to ghost in affies too to avoid confusion.) 01:51, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with them getting their own status. They're not StarClan, they're not the Dark Forest, they are their own and it is confirmed that they walk a different path, I see no reason why they wouldn't call for their own place. 03:37, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed^^ It's not the same as that other ghost place, nor our usual residences, so they could be listed all on their own^

Any more comments?

A bit delayed, but listing them as their own place makes perfect sense to me. With the exception of Scourge, since I think it was confirmed that he went nowhere after he died and he just poofed (kinda like the cats who were killed in StarClan and the Dark Forest; Spottedleaf and Tigerstar, for example). For cats like Jake and Tom, I'd say listing that as an actual residence would work for me. Just one question though: would this warrant an article, or just a mention in the infobox?

It is a place where dead cats hang out, similar to StarClan and the DF, but I don't think there's enough info on it to warrant an article. A mention in the infobox would suffice, and also a blank (but that's for PCA to decide)

So are we agreed to list it in the infobox and whatnot? But not to create a page itself for it? Because that's fine with me, as I was only just asking (since chances are people will try and make pages in the future). Also, is there a full list of all of the cats this would apply to? I know of Jake, Tom, and Scourge. Are there any others we're missing?

I think Princess was confirmed to be dead iirc?

I'm not sure, but I thought this was for cats who had a confirmed afterlife residence, not just the deceased ones? Unless my wires are crossed here.

Silverstream
Is there a particular reason that Silverstream is listed as "silver-gray", and the "silver tabby" mention a mistake? I'm going through her edit history and I can't seem to find any reason why. She's called a silver tabby in the allegiances for Fire and Ice, Forest of Secrets, and she's also called a silver tabby in The Last Hope. If we typically go with first mentions, shouldn't she be a silver tabby, not a silver-gray tabby, since they are two different things? Or at least take it to PC to alter her base, considering she's said to be the palest of her littermates, and she's also said to be just like her mother, Willowbreeze, (Crookedstar's Promise, 468) and share the same markings on her head. (page 491)

tldr; I think we need to alter Silverstream's description to match what's stated more frequently a little more. Willowbreeze is cited pale, Silverstream is called a silver tabby multiple times throughout multiple books, and she's said to be just like her mother.

If she is mentioned to be a silver tabby more than silver-gray, then she should be a silver tabby since that over rules the latter. I'd think she would be tweaked to have the same markings as Willowbreeze on her head. As for the rest of of her, I'm not sure, as "just like" could be referring to multiple things. 03:37, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Especially since silver tabby is the first mention and is backed up by other mentions, it'd definitely need to be that imo. For tweaking, I agree with Patch^^

Another thing we might discuss is the "black" in her description. I believe it was only mentioned once or twice in the first series and since then she has been described as silver or silvery-grey, iirc. Silver-gray tabby kinda contradicts the black in her coat, as does pale, since to me that seems to be calling her a light gray tabby that looks silvery more than anything. 21:47 Tue Jun 19 2018

Any more comments?

So if we go by mentions, "silver tabby" outranks "silver-gray/silvery-gray". As Breezey said, silver-gray contradicts the black that a silver tabby would have.. but given she's called a silver tabby far more often and spanning across multiple years of publication, should we change her description to "silver tabby"? The only thing I'd ask PCA to change in terms of stripes are her head stripes, since that's confirmed to be just like Willowbreeze. Her stripes/base pelt can also be altered at the same time if they need to be, once this is over. Could I have any other comments, please?

Slatefur in Tigerheart's Shadow
I'm pretty sure this was brought up when Kate explained that Slatefur is meant to be on Tigerheart's patrol instead of Rippletail, but it never got an answer. Anyways, but point here is that do we replace Rippletail's instances in Tigerheart's Shadow with Slatefur? Since he was supposed to be on the patrol according to Kate, I think this might be nessesary even though he didn't exactly appear. In the section, something like what I have here could work, explaining why. Thoughts? 18:16, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

I'd say we could do that... especially if Kate has said that it was meant to be Slatefur on that patrol. I think we should keep the mistakes mentioned in Tigerheart's Shadow on his page, though, including the description one. (otherwise we're making Slatefur a tabby, and I feel that's reaching a bit too much)

Tigerheart/Tigerstar
HEY SPEAKING OF TIGERHEART'S SHADOW, I have a question that was prompted by Thunder's edit to Tigerstar. Not Tigerclaw, Tigerheart. Should we list his first cause of death in his infobox? I realize that it was considered moot by StarClan (who used one of his nine lives to revive him, basically), but since he did die and was deceased for a fair bit of time, shouldn't that count as a listing?

This is quite interesting since no other cat (that we know of) has been actually resurrected. Tigerheart DID die before his nine lives, but would adding that section to his infobox be wrong (for lack of a better term) since he was revived? His death is already listed in his nine lives section and using his first life to basically bring him back and now only having eight lives and such. I'm interesting to what others have to say on this. 02:53, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

after discussing it I'm of the opinion that the death caused by the owl should be listed in the infobox, and in the nine lives section it should be somewhere along the lines of "taken in order for tigerheart to be resurrected". he died after the owl dropped him, he even says explicitly "But I died." 01:15, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

Given the amount of times that he was mentioned to have died, and even the length of time he was dead, I really don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned in the infobox. It was a major thing, and wasn't just for a few moments... even River of Fire makes a mention of this.

I'd say it should be mentioned he died as Tigerheart. He wasn't Tigerstar yet when he died. 02:49, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

As discussed, why not add "Cause of death: Killed by an owl (later resurrected)"? 04:27, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

That I'm fine with; it gets added to the infobox, and is noted that he was resurrected. Should we include Patch's suggestion that and list that it was Tigerheart?

Deputy
I'd typically make a huge show out of this, but I'm too tired and exhausted for that today.

Due to Stealth's resignation, PC is now in need of a deputy. I've decided to go the route of experience with this one, and Icy will be serving as my deputy from here on out. Her experience, dedication to the wiki, and her massive amount of contributions is something I feel PC could only benefit from with her deputyship.