Warriors Wiki talk:Books

PB Style and Ops Manual
Hey all! Since PB has no written guidelines (like PC or PW), I spent some time to write up an article with proposed guidelines for writing PB articles, and to help the new leaders in maintaining the project. You can read it here. There are not new things, in fact we have always proceeded according to these principles, but they were never written down. Please comment on the talk page (or here); when every user agrees, there should be a vote for implementing it as an official guideline. Kind regards, 19:24, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are very good. Books, as the base for everything this Wiki has, deserve their own guidelines to properly execute book articles. Like you said, there's no new information, but a new user would find these infinitely helpful. 19:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are useful. I like them. As Moonflight said above me, the books are the base for the wiki. It would be extremly helpful. It doesn't matter if there is no new information - it would be useful to every member, in case they need to brush up on some stuff.  Skye Meow 17:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with everything said above. Even I could use them, since I've never really done anything here. 01:10, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

How long should we wait before adding in a vote? I see no need for it, since there are people that agree, and they look excellent... But that's just me. And Rainlegs, yeah, you could use them. (xD It's ighthearted humor, so don't shoot me for it.) I honestly think that every contributor should read up on them as something to refesh their minds.  Skye Meow 14:51, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

(XD, it's okay.) I really don't think this will require a vote, since no one has decided against it, but I think we should wait for a few more people to agree, since there's only been three. I say we should wait another two days before making it official. It'll give everyone [who hasn't already] plenty of time to state their opinions. 00:33, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll state mine XD I think we should have one. 00:39, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Since a wiki is a community-driven project, all new (or changed) policies and guidelines can be introduced only after a vote. So, yes, we need one. Rainlegs: yes, I mainly wrote the guidelines for the new leadership, so they could know how project articles shall be written, and operations carries out. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

If there's no problem for 24 hours, I'll put up a vote for this. Cloud skye  18:05, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, but the vote is up. Well, I guess it's a vote.... -- Cloud skye  13:18, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have ended the vote. Now do we keep the guidelines on Helix's page, or should we create a new page for it? I have no problem either way. -- Cloud skye  18:57, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think its fine staying on Helix's page, but we should have more opinions before it is decided. For now, you should just use the guidelines on Helix's page. 22:20, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. We'll leave it there, and if anyone has any suggestions for what can be added, they can say it here. -- Cloud skye  16:45, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I suggest moving them under the project namespace, something like Warriors_Wiki:Books/Guidelines (similarly to PW). 15:43, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

I've moved them. Changes can be added as needed. The guidelines can be found here. I'll go place a link on the main page. -- Cloud skye  12:43, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

May Featured Article

 * Is it to early, or not? If so, I think Bluestar's Prophecy would be a good suggestion. -- 23:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Bluestar's Prophecy is a great article. -- Night  shine  18:18, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's not too early. I see nothing wrong with Bluestar's Prophecy. I think it's a really good idea, since it was once our content drive. Cloud skye  ♥ Evanescence ♥ 23:54, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks good. :D 22:33, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

BP is good, supporting. 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Should the vote be put up now? Its almost May... 19:57, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... How about we wait until the 20th? That'll give it a good 10 days. Does anyone disagree with this? -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, today's the 19th, so tomorrow you can put up the vote. 17:39, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. It's the 20th, and I'll put up the vote in a few moments. -- Cloud skye  18:40, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! -- Cloud skye  18:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warrior Lead Votes
You will find this message on all four project talk pages.

Due to recent senior warrior nominations, several users and I, including Icestorm, Feathermoon, Frostheart, Mossy, and Helix, discussed why lead votes are much more signifigant in senior warrior nominations? It really is unjustifiable. A Wiki is about team work. Senior warriors work with everyone, not just leads. Yet, normal warriors have no say. Why should they even have the option to comment if their vote doesn't matter? It won't change the opinions of the leads. It really is an unjustifiable policy. A Wiki is a community effort. No two users who may happen to have different positions are no different in importance. Everyone one's opinion matters. Why should one user not have the same voice as another? Why should background matter?

Regardless of your opinion, please, please post it here. If we get enough supports, we must put it to an official vote. Even if you completely oppose of this idea, please, please, comment. Your opinion matters, from leader to kit, we all matter. 20:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This Wiki is a community. Not where ranks are separated into groups, and ranked higher just because they have a few more benefits and privileges and a special name. They should be ranked equal, and all I see that should matter is that there is more approving votes than opposing in order to become senior warrior. So, in general, I agree with you, Moonflight. I see no point just for senior warriors to be ranked higher. However, what about deputy and leader? Would they be necessarily ranked under senior warrior? -- 14:43, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Senior Warriors work for the contributors of a project - therefore it's the contributors who should decide if they accept and trust someone working for them, or not. 15:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a new lead in PB, and I think that each member should have a say in their respective project's senior warriors. Everyone needs a say, from the newest apprentice (in PCA's case) to the oldest warrior. I see no need just for the leader and deputy of a project to have a say. It makes no sense whatsoever. All members should have an equal say, regardless of ability, amount of time as a member, ect. What Helix said is exactly correct. Cloud skye  17:57, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thinking more about it, we still need some restrictions to eliminate sockpuppet votes and the like. I don't want to see someone promoted (or demoted) because 10 people who just joined a few days ago and with 0 edits do a mass for / against vote. We might do two things (or a combination of these):
 * 1) Accept votes only from those who have been a member of a project in question for a certain time, with a number of mainspace / project talk edits
 * 2) Instead of counting yes/no votes, a nomination should be decided by weighing arguments. So if there are 2 "yes" votes with valid and elaborate arguments, and 5 "no" votes with no arguments, the outcome can still be "yes", decided by a neutral party (this is how wikipedia does things)

Just some thoughts... :) 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * They're very good thoughts at that, Helice. When I put this up to vote, I'll include it. :) 00:48, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Since no one has commented on this in almost 10 days, I'll archive this discussion. If anyone has any problems, please remember to leave a message. -- Cloud skye  17:22, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Outcast ~ Silver Nomination
I think it's ready to be voted silver. Comments? 05:06, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Plot summary needs to be extended. Also, can you find a reference for the cats on the cover? -- Cloud skye  12:50, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

I expanded the plot summary, but I think it can be expanded more. If anyone can help out, please do. As for the reference, I looked at the Erin Hunter Chat 5, and under the heading "The Books", it said that the title Outcast was refered to Brook and Stormfur, so the cats on the cover are probably them. 04:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'll help out where I can. I don't have the book on-hand at the current moment though. -- Cloud skye  12:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Cats on cover have to be referenced (or the assumption removed). Author, cover artist, jacket designer, publish date, trivia items shall be referenced. Plot summary needs to be expanded. A Publication List, listing English and foreign editions (as we have on other articles) have to be inserted. 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe it's stated in the cover gallery as to which cats are on the cover. I can add that in if need be. -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? 22:18, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's being worked on, from what I know. Rainwillow and I have a deal - I'll work on the beginning of the book, to where the cats arrive in the mountains, and she'll do the rest. I don't have a copy of the book with me at the current moment, so, please bear with me. -- Cloud skye  16:43, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I expanded the end of Outcast, but I don't know if it's enough. Should I add more? 04:36, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Rise of Scourge ~ Silver Nomination
I fixed the cliffnotes, so I think its ready, but I need a reference for the cats on the cover. Its obvious who they are, so would it count if I just put that the pictures of Scourge and Tigerstar look the same way on the cover and in the book? 22:31, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that would work, but I'm not sure. I think we have it like that for another book, but I'm not sure which one it is. -- Cloud skye  12:39, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, added. Comments? 23:09, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

The article is good. For reference, indicate the page where the cat is first named in the book (e.g. if page 10 shows a cat that looks like that on the cover, and states that it is Scourge, then the reference will be "revealed on page 10"). I have some problems with the Cliffnotes though, these should not contain quotes with references, they should be converted to description (e.g. instead of He says, "My name is Scourge!", write He says his name is Scourge). 17:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Helix. :D I'll start working on that. 19:22, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, done. Comments? 19:54, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Looks much better. -- Cloud skye  12:42, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, so...CBV? 16:10, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I have no problems. Let's see what everyone else thinks. Rainlegs is back now, so I'd like her opinion to be here as well. (It's not right that I'm the only lead commenting...) -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks fine. :) 00:28, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. CBV? 22:55, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

No comments? Vote is up. 22:33, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Allegiances Sign of the Moon - Silver Nomination
Well, they're allegiances. You can only add so much. So, they're definitely ready for silver. I checked them. 00:59, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Looks good to me. -- Cloud skye  13:44, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Supporting. -- 14:31, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree, supporting. 19:25, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm supporting, as well. 00:27, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Since this hasn't been commented on, CBV? -- Cloud skye  16:42, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Into the Woods - Silver Nomination
I cited the cats on the cover. That was really all that needed to be done. The detailed plot summery and cliffnotes are good as well. What do you all think? 16:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

The cliffnotes look excellent. They're a bit long though. The article itself looks wonderful. I don't have this manga, so I can't say if anything needs to be extended. -- Cloud skye  17:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anything needs expansion, it looks good to me. Supporting! :D 17:42, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

You know that you're allowed to CBV and put up your own votes, right? :P 22:10, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Since she's not going to do it, I'll ask. It's been a while, and no one said anything. So, CBV? -- Cloud skye  17:13, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really like that system. It opens up a whole new oppertunity for vandalism; which, of course, is the last this we need right now. 20:27, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

In the infobox, publish date, author, cover artist, jacket designer needs citing. Also, we agreed a while ago that the Blurb and Praise sections will be a main section, and not a sub-section under Bookjacket (which should be removed). Also, a Publication List should be added since there are more editions (English and German). Other than that, the article is great. (Same for the other two books with the series, that can be nominated as well with minor fixes - e.g. references). 15:43, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've cited everything and seperated the sections. I'm just having trouble with the Publication List. I can't find dates for other volumes. 22:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Why is Jaypaw Blind? ~ Silver Nomination
It looks good to me. Comments? 18:03, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Its been a while. Comments...? 22:05, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Whoops. Sorry, Mistystar. I've been busy, and I didn't see this here. The article looks good, but can it be extended at all? If not, then it looks excellent. -- Cloud skye  16:38, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Its okay, I understand :D I doubt it can be expanded; I read the article, and its pretty short. 22:53, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I just read the article myself, and you're right. Let's see what everyone else thinks. -- Cloud skye  17:14, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, and it's longer than I expected since the article is on an essay. At el  da  22:03, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Is there anything else I need to do? 22:40, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Voting
Okay, I have a serious question for you all. You all should know about the voting that's done around here, whether it be for FAs or Silver Nominations. What I want to know, is do you think Rainlegs and myself should be the ones to put up the votes, or should the user that nominated it put up the vote? I know it's kinda hard to find out how to do it (it took me about an hour to find the damn link), and it does seem like something a leader or deputy should do... But, I'd love to know what the rest of you think? So, comments?? -- Cloud skye  16:41, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think everyone should be able to put up their own votes. Thats how it was done recently, and thats how it should be done, since there are only two leads, and because it just makes sense for the user who nominated the article to put up the vote themselves. The user should wait for a few days, and be able to CBV their own nominations. 22:48, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you completely. I see nothing wrong with the users putting up their own votes. I just wanted to know what everyone else thought. However, with the CBV, I think that the leads should put that up themselves, but leave the putting up of the vote to the nominating member. I mean, once the lead thinks it's been enough time, then they should put up the CBV. -- Cloud skye  17:12, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thats a great idea! The leads should put up the CBVs and the nominator should put up the votes. Anyone else, comments? 20:25, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

I see your arguement. However, I don't think it's a good idea. There are many things wrong with doing this, in my opinion:
 * Not everyone knows how to do so.
 * If the link to the vote creator is flashed all around, who knows what sort of vandals will take advantage of it.
 * I know the vote topic creator link is on the front page of PC, but no one really looks there.

Mistystar: You say there arn't enough leads for them to put up the vote; so, why don't we nominate some? 20:42, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I understand the thing with vandals, but we can't nominate senior warriors. (See User Nominations at the top.) 22:05, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Big deal. The project isn't big. That doesn't mean we can have one or two senior warriors. It's not that hard. Moonflight is right. We should nominate some. We don't need to be as big as PCA to have senior warriors. We'd just have to be careful who we nominate. I'm sure making another userbox could take a matter of seconds, if done by someone who knows what they're doing. I would love to see senior warriors around here - they could help out when Rainlegs and I aren't around to monitor the project. As I said before, we could have one or two; take the most active (or who have contributed to the project the most recently), and vote on them. Mistystar would be one of my choices, along with Rainwillow, perhaps. Number of nominations would be useless, though. Because some of the ones who have the most aren't contributing to the project very much. -- Cloud skye  17:28, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think Moonflight would make a great senior warrior. She is one of the few active members, and has leadership skills :D So is it decided? We'll have senior warriors, and nominators will not put up votes or CBV their own nominations? 03:26, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Only leaders should put up votes. This is one of their duties (and more or less their only duty, besides archiving), so there is no point in asking users to do it, especially as putting up a vote might not be trivial for most of the users. I do not know whether PB should have senior warriors - two leads had no problem of taking good care of the project even when activity was much higher (Spring-Summer 2010). 15:43, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think we should have some senior warriors here, since one or two really wouldn't hurt. We would need to be careful of who we nominate, though. I think leads should put up votes, mainly because we don't have many tasks other then that. 23:44, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * True, true, Rainy. I'd like to see Mistystar as a senior warrior. I'd be okay with being a senior warrior, but there are other options better than me. coughcoughMistystarcoughcough. Sorry. Allergies. 15:15, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Need something for that cough, Moonflight? (xD) But, anyways. Mistystar is an excellent suggestion - she's very active, cares about the project and is one of the few that come and edits frequently. If anyone does deserve it, she does. -- Cloud skye  12:48, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Eclipse ~ Silver Nomination
Please keep in mind that the nominator is Mistystar, not myself. I combined all of the Eclipse nominations into one category, since that's how they're usually voted on. This is for the Main Article, Gallery and Cliffnotes. -- Cloud skye  17:09, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :D Comments? 22:01, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Can the trivia statement in the main article be cited? All I see is an empty source tag. I don't care if it's from the Warriors main site, or even Warriors Wish (which is accurate, btw). It just needs to be cited. Also, some of the cliffnotes are a little short. Extend those please. -- Cloud skye  17:30, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll work on that. Comments on the gallery? 03:31, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Publish date, author, cover artist, jacket designer, and praise items should be referenced. Blurb and Praise should not be a sub-section of Bookjacket, as agreed before. Publication list with English and foreign editions and publish dates thereof (including citations) should be added. 15:43, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join?
Hi can i please join project books? I'll do my best. I have not read every single book yet. I have about 3 to go. Rise of Scourge, Battles of the Clans and Sign of the Moon. Anyways, can I please join? -- Spe  ck  le!  03:46, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure! I'll go add you in. Be sure to read our guidelines, too. :) 14:20, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Fading Echoes ~ Silver Nomination
The history looks good, it seems to have all the right templates, but I might have missed one. There is no praise for it yet, so I just deleted the section. It looks great and it's long so comments? At el  da  22:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)