Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Hawkfrost- For Approval
Well...Here is the first character art that I've made. What say you? Smokeberry 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's really good for a first image! I just think there are 3 things you could improve on: 1.) Make the eye have a pupil. It looks kinda like it doesn't. 2.) Make the tabby making thinner, blend them a little more, and make them jagged Ys. Use Squirrelflight as an example. 3.) Make the shading a tad bit darker. Other than that, It looks awesome!

Thanks! I'll fix that right away. Smokeberry 21:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The image has been changed...Is it better now? Smokeberry 21:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Smokeberry, you didn't read the notice:One image at a time, so you'll have to wait for Jayfeather and Cinderfur, who by the way don't have their blanks yet. On this one, the tabby markings are dots and lines. Try using the jagged lines like Lionblaze, Squirrelflight, Dustpelt, and Brownpaw, or use the wavy ones like Heathertail -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 00:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Mallinois is right Smokeberry. Also, the ear is way too pink - that would need to be sorted as well. Sandy Talk! 08:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A couple of things: There is no shading that I can see. It needs some. Look on the Approved images to see how to do that; The tabby markings need to look...realistic. Looks at some Approved tabbies for examples; Nothing's blended. Use smudge tool for that. --Warrior♥ 01:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

To add to that, Hawkfrost also has a white underbelly. -- Bramble My Realm 17:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed it. In my opinion the color is too dark, but then he is evil. Anything else? Smokeberry 23:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I like it dark, because it fit's his personality. I think he still needs more shading though. -- Dawnfeather 11:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Just add more shading on the back and the chest, and perhaps on the curve of the leg. I really like this. -- Bramble My Realm 16:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I really like the tabby markings now and think it looks good. I have something to add though - on my computer it is showing up on a white background not transparent and there is a strange black line at the top; is this just me or does it need to be made transparent? Sandy Talk! 16:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Add more shadong, and take away the triangle-ness of the tabby markings, plus the ear is a little dark and there's a black line at the top. Plus, get rid of the markings int he middle of the body. -- Mall inois Talk •  Contribs 20:41, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Lemme just remove the line, and this will be done. G B 57 02:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

There. Approved. G B 57 02:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

What the...? Can someone fix this line before it's posted? Thanks. G B 57 02:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, aer you listening? Quite a fwe of us think that there should be some more shading before it is approved. -- Dawnfeather 06:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait, GB. Several people still have comments for improvement, and after those have been made the image can be approved. Don't approve the image just because it looks finished to you. Smokeberry, this can definitely be approved soon, just add more shading on the places mentioned above and tweak the markings a little like Mallinois suggested. I can turn it transparent for you if need by after changes have been made. -- Bramble My Realm 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! But I think the ear needs to be blended a bit more.--Warrior♥ 14:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think the ear is a little too dark... you can hardly see it over the dark pelt colour. Sandy Talk! 19:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

He looks awesome. ^-^ -- MU MB LE 785  22:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't know there was still criticism. G B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

No problem, buddy. :) It was easily fixed. -- Bramble My Realm 23:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

GB, don't feel bad. As you said, everyone makes mistakes, and this one doesn't matter, as it was easily and effortlessy fixed. I do agree that this is SO CLOSE to being ready for approval though. :D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 07:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Smokeberry 00:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Beautiful. The ear pink still needs to be lighter, as I think it looks too red at the moment, and I think Sandy mentioned that, too. Other than that, this is extremely close to being ready for approval. -- Bramble My Realm 17:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Also there is some blurry grey stuff outside the outline on his chest. That needs to be fixed Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

His ear and the blurry spot has been finished. Anything else? Smokeberry 22:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that line's back. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Its PERFECT, I LOVE the tabby stripes! Keep it that way, the tabby stripes like on squirrelflight and other tabbies, are pretty ugly(sorry D:) Dictation 23:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Attacks multiple artwork. User may not continue editing Project Character Art until July 15th. Slash any content posted by this user until then. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Augh! Curse that line! I'll have to remove it. Anything else? Smokeberry 23:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * This is looking really good now; once you've removed the line I think this will be ready for approval Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 17:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks amazing! If it were me, I would add some more tabby stripes, but it looks great even without them. --Goldencloud 22:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

The outlines blurred in several places. It is quite pretty otherwise.-- Darkhallows Lair 08:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The outline is a little blurred, and the marking on the tail could be toned down quite a bit... Otherwise, you have some great looking artwork. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 12:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I love him, I truely do, but isn't hawkfrost a longhaired cat? In his pic in cats of the clans he's a longhaired tom... -- MU MB LE 785  19:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

We don't really pay attention to things in the pictures unless they've been confirmed by Erin Hunter. It never says he's longhaired in the books, I don't think. Just a dark tabby with ice blue eyes and a white underbelly. -- Bramble My Realm 16:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Morningflower-For Approval



 * My second, tortie, and my first elder. The elder blanks show up black for me, can someone fix that? I fixed up this one, though. Tell me what you think of it. -- Mlns tlk • C 14:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

She looks good, but i think you might need a little more ginger fur. She looks too dark, and I think it's because of the black. But, otherwise, it's good. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Also, the separation between the white and the black on the neck looks unnatural. Play around with the shape a bit more, or extend the white up into the face and make those common white-face markings. Other than that, and what Mumble just said, this is really good. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploded and changed the neck black to white and ginger connection. Better? --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 21:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It is better. I think the ear pink, although it is the right colour is slightly too big for her ear, especially as the fur is black. Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Done, though it may take a while to show up. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 19:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should extend the white on the neck up onto the face, the way the is common amoung cats. also, the ginger patch on the front shoulder is an awkard shape. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 01:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The white is extended to her face, but it may take a while to show up... --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 14:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Instead of making an upward arch with the white into the face area, level with the eye, drop in down a bit and make it arch the other way. Also, extend the white that is on the face in a tendril up the nose. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree with Dawnfeather. Just make those changes and it should be ready, if it looks good. -- Bramble My Realm 16:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkhallows - Senior Warrior?
Please go here to support Darkhallows becoming a senior warrior. Darkhallows, just to make it official, do you accept the nomination? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Of course I accept. ^^ -- Darkhallows Lair 01:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

A Guide to Shading?
This idea may suck. But it seems like a lot of new people on PCA are asking how to shade. I was thinking that maybe we could make some sort of page with tutorials on different styles and where to put shading (I'm sure everyone has issues with this sometimes). Again, I don't know how well this would work. -- Darkhallows Lair 04:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. There are lots of different ways to shade cats, and different ways to make tabby markings, markings in general, ears, and even eyes. New ways are being thought of all the time too. For example - my apprentices. We haven't even really figured out how to shade the elders yet, as only one has been approved so far (to my knowledge). I just don't think it would work. Everyone learns in time. I've only been here two months and a few people are applauding my efforts. I'm not exactly against the idea, it's just i'm not sure how it would work. Has anyone got any thoughts or suggestions? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 05:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Two elders :P. Yeah, I don't know if it COULD work. But then, like I said, there could be guides on different styles? Or each player could have their own section if they wanted. -- Darkhallows Lair 05:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of Shadepelt! Never occured to me that I had made an approved colouring of an elder. Ah well. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, alot of newbies would appreciate the help from shading, i know I would XD><font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 14:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think there should be a "Charart Mentors" program, and the senior warriors+Bramble could mentor an unexperienced user in Charart. That way, we don't have to set guidelines like Project Adopt a User. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 19:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea. Im an unexperienced charart user that can use help.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I like that idea too. I wouldn't mind being a mentor, in say, a month, even though i'm not aa experienced as you senior warriors. I know quite a few shading techniques. Maybe we should let the leader (Bramble, you rock!) choose who the mentors could be, because even with our large amount of senior warriors, we wouldn't have enough to mentor every new comer, even the people who are struggling now. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 23:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I would love a mentor... - Sparrowwing  talk  11:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the mentor idea too. I think that might work.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

New opinion... How about creating something like Project Adopt a User? (Project Teach A User To Make Character Art or Project Adopt a User for Character Art?) Even better, work on reopening Project Adopt A User. -[[User:SparrowWing| S p a rr o w 23:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No fair!!! I wanna mentor someone even though I'm not a senior warrior!!! -- MU MB LE 785  19:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm Sparrowwing's unoffical mentor, but i'm not sure if i'm very good at it. I'm trying, though. Sparrow asked for help, and so I gave some to him/her. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Dawn is being awesome to me. (Not sure if that is proper english.) P.S.- i'm a "she" - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

Silverstream-For approval



 * I lways though her story was tragic, so I mde her. She's my first textured cat. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 12:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I can see what you're trying to do here, but to achieve it, you need a bit darker shaind on the front, and the back has to bit a bit lighter. Also, try and bring the highlight down onto the shoulder and hind leg a bit more. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, the ear colour is unnatural, the eye could be a bit lighter, and the tabby stripes are few and blended into the pelt too much. Sorry that i'm being so harsh! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought Silverstream was... silver? <font color="White" style="background:Blue">India, <font color="Green" style="background:Orange">Here I Come! 19:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and haven't Silver tabbies got darkish stripes? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 02:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The tabby stripe on her flank near the base of her tail is at a strange angle... Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 13:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded with new markings and more highlight, yet the changes don't show... --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 13:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a smudgy blur outside the lineart on the tail Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 16:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Fixed. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 17:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Silver tabbies usually have a silver body with dark stripes. But I do really love the texture. Nice job Mal.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The ear pink is a strange shape and needs to be more trianglular and blended into the pelt. Also... she is a tabby but she only has about five tabby stripes; I think she needs some more stripes on her head, legs etc and I think that they do need to be darker to make it realistic. Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, but it looks like there's to much ear pink; the pink also seems a bit too bright. The tail is also blurred.=)--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall- For Approval


Okay, I'm really nervous about putting up art. You guys are a little intimidating. Here's my Birchfall. The changes are taking some time to come up, so the version you see might not be the most recent.

Dawnfeather, being my unofficial mentor, talked to me about it already. Hope this looks good to you! - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

More shading, and it might help to make it a little more brown.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 16:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. He looks like for of an olive green color than brown. Also it doesn't look like he has any eye color. I like this, though! <span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 17:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Sparrow, welcome to project charart! There's no need to be intimidated; the point of this is to make art, give advise to other users on how to improve their art and to have fun whilst adding to the character pages :) I personally agree with the comments Sandwich and Goldencloud have made and would like to add that blending the ear pink and shading into the pelt more will give it a more realistic look. It might help to remove the tabby markings whilst you get the shading and colour right, then add them on again - that's how I always attempt tabbies. Good luck :) [ps. please sign with 4 ~s] Sandy <font color="Yellow" style="background:Black">Talk! 18:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Colored eye, fixed shading. - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

You still need to blend the ear pink and I think he needs more shading on the legs and head. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, he needs more shading. But I like the stripes. Nice Job!-- Darkhallows Lair 08:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED More shading. - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

The tabby markings sort of look like they were done with crayon. You know how a crayon leaves a mark but it's kind of scratchy on the outline and it leaves tiny marks of the background through the markings? Thicken the markings a little so they don't look like crayon and maybe get rid of that mark near his head, just past his eye. -- Bramble My Realm 16:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Boulder - For Approval
Here is our first attempt at a character image. Critisism welcome! We think the shading turned out pretty good. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 01:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)



It's pretty good for a first image. However it needs more shading, and then the shading needs to be blended in.-- Darkhallows Lair 02:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, we fixed the shading (we think), though we're still having trouble blurring it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 03:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Use the tool that looks like a teardrop. If you do not have this tool, go to www.pixlr.com --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

As well as blending the shading you need to incresae the amount on the belly/tail Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 13:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks a bunch for the website! It helped so much! So, here's our blurred image.

[Edited to put this under the right section and repeat image deleted. Also please sign with 4 ~s] Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, now my comment! You only need to upload the image to this page once and if you've uploaded a new version it will show automatically. I can't see any changes yet though; have you actually uploaded the new version? Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

'''Sorry about the image thing - I didn't notice that. I changed it on here so the new one will show up. Sorry again. I swear I'm blind! I was trying to do a lot at once :)' Sandy'' <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

The image looks...fuzzy, and the shading isn't blended enough.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" size="3" color="DarkBlue">Warrior♥ 16:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I reduced the blurriness a bit. I’ll work on it some more later tonight/tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

You sharpened it... not blurred. Either that, or it's from being a jpeg. Try using .PNG-- Darkhallows Lair 21:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I blurred the shadows as much as I could...does it seem better now? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 00:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, anything else I can fix? Something is still bothering me about this picture. Should I put in highlights? (And how do I do that on pixlr, anyways?) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

The iris looks grey, it needs to be some color. On highlights, I don't use pixlr, so you'll have to wait for someone who does to comment. Other than that, I think this is pretty good. Oh, and do you want to officially join the project? I can add you in on the main page as warriors. -- Bramble My Realm 16:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The eyes are actually blue. We'll try to increase the brightness of them and see if that helps. Also, we would appreciate offically joining the project. We left a request on Gorse's talk page, but he hasn't responded. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

On pixlr, to make highlights click on the Dodge Tool(it looks like a black ball at an end of a stick), or press O on your keyboard. Run the tool along just in front of the shading; you'll mouse will look like a regular brush then.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanks for the Dodge tool! I don't think I'll bother with highlights right now, but I'm planning to do another image and I'll try it on there. I also increased the eye color as best I could without it looking...unatural. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I need to start commenting on images to see what's really wrong. First off, Boulder is a tabby, so you'll need tabby markings. Also the shading by the hind leg that visible is smudged into the lineart, and a few more spots still look sharpened, try getting rd of them with natural color. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 01:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M&S) - Boulder's not a tabby - he's a skinny gray tom. Look at the allegainces in an older book or his lookup. You should never use Cats of the Cans as a reference. (Although the pictures in there do look awesome.) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

(M&S) - We fixed the blurred lineart. (...We think...) And "a few more spots" isn't very specific. Where, exactly do you mean? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Crowfrost - For Approval


I decided to colour a warrior as I haven't done one in a while :) Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 13:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Oooh, Sandy, love your new sig. :) I think the shading on the black part of the pelt is too dark and distinct. Maybe lighten and blend it a little bit? -- Bramble My Realm 13:55, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Bramble; I was getting bored of the old one :) I've lightened the shading as much as possible and blended it more. I also remembered to make the background transparent! [I always forget that] Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry! Every time we try to edit the main page, the computer freezes. /sob/ Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 14:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sandy - the new image had to be saved a a jpeg, while the old one was a gif. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 14:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry... I'm blind. I sorted it for you :) Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, now that's sorted, any more comments on Crowfrost? lol Sandy <font color="Purple">Talk! 14:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The shading still doesn't look right to me.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" size="3" color="DarkBlue">Warrior♥ 16:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I said I wouldn't post again today... but where exactly and in what way Warrior? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I blended the shading right into the pelt in an attempt to make it less... wrong Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Extend the white pelt over the eye. It looks odd to have it stop right at the eye, or at least to me. -- Bramble My Realm 22:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded: I messed around with the patches on the head and I think this looks better Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Blend the white by his head a bit. I can see a distinct line beyond the original blurring. -- Bramble My Realm 16:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Swallowtail - For Approval


I wanted to test out Dawnfeather's beautiful blanks, so I tried my hand at Swallowtail, a RiverClan elder. I'm not sure if the highlights look good, so please critique! -- Bramble My Realm 22:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually Bramble, you're your usual amazing self. I love how you did the tabby markings. I was hoping that those would be do-able with the blanks! Again, this is really good. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Beautiful, but Swallowtail has green eyes. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois Herding Talk 16:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I hope nobody minds me commenting. The only thing is that the colors are very dark - or, atleast, on my computer. I honestly though she was black until I increased the brightness on my computer screen. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:20, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It might be your computer, becuase i can tell that shes brown. The pictures very good. <font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

This is definitely brown. It's really beautiful Bramble. You just need to change the eye colour to green as Mal said and it'll be reday in my opinion. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Changed the eye color to green. It even looks prettier to me with that color. :) Anything else? -- Bramble My Realm 15:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, this is ready. (for approavl) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 08:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Loudbelly- for approval


I hope this is better than my Whitewing...<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 04:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks fine, but the outline is blurred in a few places, and he could use some highlights. To prevent this (in GIMP, at least) paste TWO images down on two layers, hit 'ctrl' + 'L' to bring up the layers menu, and click on the top layer. Then click on the wand tool and bring it to the white areas and click on delete. Then you have just the lines. Click on the bottom layer, and color that in... If that makes sense xD.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix the outlines. But what you said, does it mean I have to start all over? <font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok, i have the whole shading thing down, but the last thing i need to know is how to highlight.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

In the program I use (Photoshop), there's a dodge tool, and it looks like a small microphone. Just run that along the edge of the shading and it should produce a nice-looking highlight. -- Bramble My Realm 16:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

What program are you using? Oh, and I just noticed there's no head shading.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh dang i forgot head shading! I'll do it right away.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok heres my new one, im not sure if that light line is a highlight, but oh well. And Im not a huge fan of my head shading is ok, but you guys are the experts...<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The highlight needs to be blurred some more, and the outline is still blurred in some places, most notably the back of the foreleg and the forehead. Also shrink the ear pink a little and make it a darker pink. Other than that, this is very good and I like the color you chose for his pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 15:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Minnowpaw For Approval
Not used to apprentices ... is she alright?-- Darkhallows Lair 08:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought that she was dark gray. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It said black and white on her page...-- Darkhallows Lair 19:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It said black, or possibly gray and white. Personally, i always imagined her as black, but that is just my personal opinion. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The color is sort of black... Besides color, any comments on the actual image? Anyone?-- Darkhallows Lair 06:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I think she needs some more shading on her back, and her eyes look odd, I don't think I see a pupil really in there, it's just amber colored. Try adding in a black pixel right next to the white pixel. -- Bramble My Realm 15:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rosekit- For Approval
I used the same shading as I did with Blossom. I wanted her to be long-haired, and a a nice looking image... but my GIMP froze and I lost it. Soo I have this. The whole 'dark cream' thing was confusing- Cream is a diluted ginger (I think) so dark cream would be similar to light ginger? Whatever, here she is.-- Darkhallows Lair 19:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I love her!!! But she could use some more shading inder the head, and between the front legs. ;) Nice work!!! -- MU MB LE 785  19:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Haha I just noticed we both reserved Rosekit. :) You reserved her first, and got her uploaded first, so I'll let you have it. Mine looks waaaaay different than yours. Yours is a lot lighter, and I didn't put any tabby markings. I imagined dark cream as being more of a rosy ginger color. Yours looks more like a smoky pale brown. But maybe that's just me. Also try making the tabby markings less saturated, they look kind of odd against the diluted fur. Do I sound harsh? I don't mean to... --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 22:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Cream is a real color in cats. It's like a diluted ginger tabby. I agree that the color isn't perfect tough. I'll try and fix that.-- Darkhallows Lair 02:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Made her more red. -- Darkhallows Lair 02:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks better now. I know about the whole cream thing, I had just pictured "rose"kit as being slightly more reddish. The only thing I suggest is maybe making the stripes less orange. But if it doesn't look good then you don't have to. It just still looks...funny to me. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 03:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Her body is on an angle, which is why the tabby stripes look funny. Her right, our left, tabby markings should be shorter, and her other side tabby markings should probably be a teansy bit longer. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather

Once again this may be my computer but can you make sure the background's transparent as it's showing up black right now. I like the colour but I think there are too many tabby markings on her sides and they're way too close together and kind of... bright. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The background is transparent, I never edit the bg... so I don't know whats up with that. || I made a new version, same shading. Is that one better? -- Darkhallows Lair 06:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I love the second version Shade! That is dark cream if I ever saw it. The only thing I see is the eyes on the second are kind of dark, make them a bit lighter. -- Bramble My Realm 15:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Medicine Cat Apprentice? (Maybe)

 * Here?


 * <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 00:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This seems fine. But don't color the herbs (?). -- Darkhallows Lair 02:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to color the herbs. Unless we don't mind the herbs in all the medicine cats' mouths to possibly different colors. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 03:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should colour the herbs in the blanks. The outline of the herbs should be a bit thicker, and should extend a bit further up as if they were in the mouth, not under the chine! A bit of chin has to be consealed by the hearbs to do this. Just put it were you think that the mouth should be, only a few pixels higher. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, don't colour the herbs; there are so mnay different types of leaves they could be carrying that we may as well leave it up to whoever colours the cat to decide what colour green they should be - it will add to the individuality of each pixel. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

This blank can't be accepted, because you edited the apprentice blanks to make these. I'l either decline this, or you can start over from scratch. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

GB, we have permission to edit the blanks, and on the forum, 'Do we really need Medicine Cat Apprentice Blanks' we have basically decidec to edit the blanks to put herbs into their mouths and make them Med cats. That's what i did below. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

No, we don't. Please see "A Little Misunderstanding...". <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

??? What did I miss? <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 23:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

K, looks like we can use these after all. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

So, Misty, I think if you just thicken the leaves' outline and take out the color, it would look pretty good. -- Bramble My Realm 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Medicine cat blanks


I did as you asked, Bramble, and made Medicine cat blanks of all of them, but i didn't do the apprentices as someone (Sorry, i forgot to check!) has already started on some, and I think that they are better than mine. I didn't uploaded them onto the actual page as i don't know how to put them in there.



I also added this picture of Leafpool to prove that they work, although the blanks by themselves look a bit weird. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Love the idea, and your Leafpool is great, but could you make the herbs look a little more like herbs? Maybe add leaves of something? - S p a r r o w w i n g     talk

They are leaves aren't they? I thought they were holding a kind of bundle of a few leaves... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

So... What do I do? If anything? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1pxsolid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Personally I like them as they are; simple, easy to use, and clear to see what they are. Just my opinion Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sandy. I can't see anything that can be improved, really. Awesome work! You're really the blank-making queen, Dawn. :) -- Bramble My Realm 15:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't see very much stuff that she did here. All she did was put some herbs in the warrior blanks' mouths. You guys got mad at me for editing the warrior blanks once. -- MU MB LE 785  17:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

That was probably because we didn't yet have permission to edit the lineart. Now we do, so that's why Dawn has put herbs in their mouths. And it's harder than it looks to do that, I already tried. -- Bramble My Realm 17:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Mumble and Bramble. I'd say these are ready to go! All she did was add leaves to their mouths, but she gave us medicine cat blanks! This isn't really important right now, since you aren't actually posting Leafpool yet, but she has amber eyes. ;) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad you like them, but i refuse to take much credit for them. Sandstar of Warriors wish did all the work, really. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

So humble, Dawn. :) Comments before approval, members? -- Bramble My Realm 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Tumblekit - For Approval


Okay, back to the kits, lol. Comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:15, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

really good, except some of the tabby markings are bothering me, the ones with a 'y' in them ,especially. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I removed the 'y' markings on the image and I tried blending them slightly on the second image to see if it looked any better. Comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He's really cute, but I liked the tabby markings better before they were blended. Can you sharpen them a little? Or alter the other one to match Dawn's suggestion. -- Bramble My Realm 15:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I did alter them but it won't show... I've uploaded twice now and they still won't show on the first image. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange... -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I messed with the files and then it decides to change. Better? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Awwww! So cute! Isn't he the one who died from the twoleg liquid? (P.s--> I think he is ready for approval) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

That actually could be, right age, same timing; wow, never occurred to me before. On the image, I think it looks great. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 15:37, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Toadkit (TC) - For Approval


I love his cheeky attitude and persistence so I wanted to colour Toadkit :) Comments? Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

If it can be done can you move the black patch on his left side farther down? For some reason it looks odd at this angle. Other than that I love his patches and I can almost see the attitude. :) -- Bramble My Realm 15:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks great, like he's saying "Bring it on world." xD--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I can just hear him saying, "Yeah, bring it on!" The only problem I see is what Bramble already pointed out. Great job! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Aw he's great Sandy!-- Darkhallows Lair 08:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? I moved it down a few pixels to take it off his chin ;) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It's like you plucked the picture from my mind. Yep, much better. Comments before approval, members? -- Bramble My Realm 15:49, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Brightpaw and Ravenpaw for Approval


Did I spell the title right? Anyway, I tryed Ravenpaw once, but I withdrew him. Now, I'm trying again. And I did do Brightheart as an apprentice, but my stupid computer at her up!!!! UGHHH!!! For now, what do you guys think of ravenpaw? -- MU MB LE 785  16:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks great, but I can barely see the back shading.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 17:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

kk. I'll fix it.

I think he needs to be a bit lighter so we can see the shading better, but not too much, as he is black. The wite patch needs to be bigger. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Oakpaw-For Approval


Here's Oakpaw of SkyClan. He's my first tabby. I decided to go with the original tabby stripes.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 18:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks good, but it doesn't look like you shaded him much if at all. Also he needs more tabby stripes. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Increased shading and markings.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the tabby markings are very realistic. They are very small. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 10:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried making them longer, but it didn't look right to me. It looked like he had lighting all over his body.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 16:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Onewhisker - For Approval
<BR> Until we get the blanks, I thought the leaders deserved some kind of character art. So here's Onewhisker. I actually loved this guy until he turned into Onestar. I wasn't sure how to do "mottled tabby", so I did a few tabby marks with tiny spots dispersed throughout. If anyone has any suggestions, don't be shy!

Also I have some questions about the whole art reservation thing. If we upload an image of a cat we reserved, but it's declined, do we get unlimited chances to try again, or do we lose the reservation? Or if someone reserves a cat, but then goes MIA and doesn't log on again, are those characters locked out and no one can ever color them? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 18:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT1 I lightened him a little bit, and took out some of his mini-spots. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I dunno about your question, but Onewhisker looks awesome!!! -- MU MB LE 785  20:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mumble! (do you mind me calling you that?) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Love the texture! But I think you can make him more light brown. But (I dont know if this is right, Its from CoTc) but he may have white tabby stripes.<font color="Yellow" style="background:Orange">Sandwich <font color="Blue" style="background:Green">989 22:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I was wondering about that too. I looked him up in CotC and noticed the white striped-ness, and was going to change it, but there are some mistakes in CotC, and the books never mentioned anything about white, so I just left it. I'll make him lighter, though. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Goldencloud...  I think we need to ban you on the basis that you need to make art that isn't so good! Well done! May get rid of a tesnsy bit of the texture, and add a bit more shading though. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 22:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think you're the one who should be banned, not me. :) Thanks a bunch, though! I'll flush a few of the dots down the toilet. Do you mean make the shading darker? I used the same shading layer I did for Hazeltail. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything else? I'm dying out here! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 01:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I love it. The thing is that the muzzle doesn't really match. Maybe add some texture or more shading to it?-- Darkhallows Lair 08:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you think you could add a few more tabby stripes, like in your Heathertail image? He only has about four that I can see. And what Darkhallows said. Other than that, I'm echoing Dawnfeather here. :) Oh, Goldencloud, when you post, do you think you could do it in one section? It just makes it easier to find and read and it also takes up less space. -- Bramble My Realm 15:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Bumblekit for Approval
I'm finally back! Well I see Bumblekit was taken down like I expected. So here we have Bumblekit up again. No highlights this round (i despise them on kits)just different sets of shading. I looked at some of the other kits for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Bumblekit! I'd say he looks pretty good, but your shading confuses me. Where is the light source coming from? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading style looks fine to me as it's what is used on a lot of approved kits. I just think it needs to be darker and slightly bigger on the forelegs. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Eaglekit - For Approval
Meh, I started him, why quit? I'll make the background transparent (when I figure out how), but I need advice on highlights. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

He looks alright! Only thing I suggest is maybe darkening the shading. Though I don't know if I can help with the whole transparency thing or not. What editing program do you use? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

GIMP. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Fiddlesticks, I use Photoshop. If you want, I could make it transparent for you, then e-mail it to you to re-upload. Or if you don't want to do all that just ask someone else, I guess. Sorry! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 23:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - While it may mess up your image slightly, I first make my images .GIF. Then I go to www.gifworks.com and make the background transparent from there. But that's only one way; I'm sure there are better ways of doing it. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 00:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that if the shading was any darker, it wouldn't look nice. But I made the background transparent. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 03:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps, but try it anyway. If it doesn't look nice you can always lighten it again. As it is now, it's hardly visible. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;cyan; background:black; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:cyan;"> Goldencloud 03:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I see it fine. Anybody else have trouble seeing the shading? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 03:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

U'm with Golden cloud. The shading needs to extend further and be darker. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 06:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 06:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It needs to be spread out more. Instead of being dark, light. It needs to be dark, darkish, midway, lightish, light. It needs to be spread out further as well. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:Gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather 08:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the colour you've chosen but you need to make the shading thicker and kind of blur it out into the middle of the pelt more (if that makes sense). I would forget alltogether about highlights though... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Notes on Reserving characters

 * Okay, we've got the reserving of characters now, but I can see that some users are grabbing things like 3 leaders and two medicine cats. I thought this would be a problem, so I've decided that a user should be able to have one leader and one medicine cat reserved, since we need more curren pixels that have blanks and that can be done approved. But, if you're very determined to keep reserved leaders and medicine cats, I think PCA could work it out. Bramble, do I have your approval to make this official? --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;Navy; background:Silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:1em; color:Navy;">Mallinois  Herding Talk 01:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course. :) -- Bramble My Realm 02:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to sound whiny or annoying. But now that it is implemented, I am really disliking the reserving. I think five is way too many, maybe reserving two, or three? I mean people are reserving apprentice slots for when kits grow up. I had thought it was a way to stop people from making two images of the same cats, but it doesn't seem to be working out well.-- Darkhallows Lair 05:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Darkhallows is right. I think users need to be sensible with it by only reserving characters they actually have the time to work on. It's ridiculous to reserve pixels for when cats are older... what if they die as a kit? or never become a warrior? The point of reserving cats is to reserve ones you've begun working on or have immediate plans to work on not cats you want to do some time in the distant future... (nice idea though Mal) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 10:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

IRC
Hey everyone, are you all trying to get on the IRC? I've only seen Bramble, Shimmer, and Mallinois so far. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

On the pca channel yes? I've been on a few times but there's never anyone there... :( Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:31, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Scrap that! lol Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a question...
Ok, so I just got paint.net. It isn't perfect and I am not good at it, but at least it's better than Paint. My question is, how do I blend? Sparrowsong 16:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)