Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Nine lives box?
I just had this idea. Since the information for nine lives is at the bottom, how about we move it up so people will see it more often? It could become part of the character boxes for leaders, if that's possible. I don't know anything about box coding so I could be speaking nonsense. XD Still, I think it'll be a great idea.

That's honestly not necessary. If people want to look for it, they can look for it, it's there it's on their page. It's not like it's invisible. Even though it is hard to spot, no one will over look it if they're specifically looking for that 21:42, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's good enough where it is. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I actually disagree, and I think it's a very good idea to try and implement. If the nine lives are so important to the Warriors series (it's what defines a leader, and cats don't always accept their leader without nine lives), then it probably shouldn't just be tossed down on the bottom of the page like that. If possible, we can always add it in a drop-down or something like that on the character template. Seriously, it's a vital part of a leader's time in their Clan, and should be treated with a bit more importance.

I agree that it's fine already and there's no need to change it. 03:12, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think Jayce has a point here. Way back when I was just an Anon browsing pages, ( nearly four years ago now...geez ) I had no idea the Nine Lives box was there until I discovered it totally by accident at the bottom. A dropdown box bellow...I don't know, maybe book mentions? On leader's charcats with an overview of their nine lives isn't a bad idea, and it wouldn't be too hard to add in. It is a vital part of their time as a leader, so it should be a little more noticeable on the page. 14:54 Tue Dec 22

Exactly, Berry. It doesn't have to be a dropdown, but.. it should be somewhere else on the page. It's hardly considered important if it's just thrown down on the bottom of the page.

Hmm, maybe there is a point. It seemed to be originally belong to the ceremony section but it's drifted to quotes. I think the box could have like it's own tab that says "Nine Lives" at least. It's too hidden. 00:20, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes but it would make a lot of clutter on the charcat template and honestly, if users are looking for that and can't bother to control f / search down until they find it that's their own problem. 19:00, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's kinda rude, Icy. It doesn't matter if it seems like it's "cluttered". It's a vital part of a leader's article, and if the nine lives thing wasn't important, then it wouldn't exist or be featured and taken into account as much as it is. Hell, leaders aren't considered leaders most of the time unless they have those lines. So, why should it just be tossed onto the bottom of the page?

No, it's not rude. We can't put everything on the front of the page just so it's easier for people to read. As I said it will be cluttered and we can't put it on the template - it just makes the page look really stuffy. I'm sorry but I do not see the need to put it anywhere else. There's no place to put it. 03:03, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

If not in the charcat template, why not do it as a subsection of trivia, or even its own section in or around that location? 05:07, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Maybe leave it where it is, but put a heading above it so it's seen on the contents page, maybe even as a subsection of the ceremonies or something. 00:26, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't belong in the character boxes. I just don't see where it would go. However, I had another idea. In the Ceremonies section, there could be sub-sections including the warriors, apprentices, medicine cats ceremonies, etc. That way people will be able to know where things are on the Contents list.

I agree with this. It doesn't need to be moved, just a header so if people actually want to see it, they'll find it easily. 23:03, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

Header sounds good. Any other comments? 01:18, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

Minor Characters (again)
So! Finally, I was able to get the template over to this wiki. If you've forgotten, this is what we had planned for the minor characters page. So, before we make the page, is there any last minute things I should fix up? Or should we just go right ahead and make it? 15:50 Thu Dec 31

Great job Berry! :) I just want discuss who exactly we are putting there. Characters we wouldn't give a page? Like that gray she-cat in the prologue of SkyClan's Destiny? Are we giving a section for all unnamed characters like Dappletail's Kit and The Old She-cat (ROS)? 21:47, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

From my understanding it was always going to just be characters way, way too minor for their own page; I suppose those characters would count, but they have their own pages now, and history sections that are longer than a couple of sentences...so, yes, just characters like that grey she-cat. 01:49 Fri Jan 1

Dappletail's Kit and the old she-cat from The Rise of Scourge are fine as they are, since they've already gotten articles, cites, chararts, ect, whatever have you. It would be counterproductive to get rid of those articles after the amount of work that's gone into the pages. The gray-she cat in the prologue of SkyClan's Destiny is a good example of a character that would go on this page, though.

Anymore concerns on the matter, or shall we get to making the page? I believe Burnt made a list of some minor characters that would fit on this page before she left, so we could use that for reference. 17:36 Thu Jan 14

Let's go straight to making the page. 22:57, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Can we make the coding simplified for the minor characters page? I know it's done for our charcat and charother template, can we do this before making the page? 23:16, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by simplified...? It's a template...we won't just be coping the coding onto the page and filling everything out. You fill in the variables like any other template. Do you mean like the blank forms on the template pages? I can easily put one of those on the template page if you'd like? 18:51 Fri Jan 22

Like the charcat template, just so it's easier on the minor characters page. I also have an idea to cover categories for each character. I think using redirect pages for every character and putting their categories, (minor character, rogue, etc) there. 22:07, January 22, 2016 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea what you're asking me to do; I'm sorry, coudl you elaborate a little further...? I can't...really do much to change it to "make it easier"... 15:10 Thu Jan 28

Alright I'll try to explain it better. Look at the coding of the charcat template at any character page, you have |image = character.blah.png, |affie = ThunderClan, |pastaffie = Loner, etc and that. When we look at the source template's coding, it's much more confusing but some clever user has made it easier to write on on a character page, via |pastaffie = etc and that. That's what I want to happen with this template too. Do you understand what I mean? 01:24, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

I believe Berry's already done that, Stealth. It's just a matter of migrating the final template if she hasn't done it already. It'll work just like the normal character template, and we'll be able to fill it in using the variables shown in the coding.

here. This is how you use it. I can't make it much simpler than that without removing pieces of coding I'd rather not. Is it easier to see how to use it now that I've added that guide? 06:37 Tue Feb 2

Yes that is exactly what I meant. Alright, so does everyone agree with my category-redirect idea? I think that's the last concern for me (I'm so fussy XD) 20:46, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Burr
Burr is a character who came from the Warriors Adventure Game. Seeing as he is non-canon, is there a non-canon character category I can add in and remove the characters catergory? Or should he still be considered a character and have a non-canon character category in at the same time?

There isn't a category for it. I think Burr should stay a character, but I think a special tab that states this character is non-canon due to only appearing in (yada yada). I could be used for future non-canon characters too. 22:39, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

We could just use the non-canon template we have for Adventure Game pages, tbh. It says "This article is about a non-canon aspect of the Warriors world.", not specifying whether it's about a book or game or whatever. 17:34 Thu Jan 14

That's not a bad idea. I agree with this. 04:53, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

March FA
Time to do the next month. I believe Gray Wing was heavily suggested? 21:21, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yessss. 21:24, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yup. I also think Icy should be the one to write the FA, as she's the one who did almost the entirety of his article. It would only be appropriate, as Gray Wing is also her favorite character.

Anymore comments before the vote? 20:52, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Given that the discussion's only been up for like... two days, I think you're rushing it a little bit. Give others a chance to comment, since it's only been me, Icy, and you, Stealth. =P

I agree that Gray Wing would be great for the March FA 00:12 Thu Feb 4

Oh whoops I misread the dates. Sorry! 05:36, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Mouse (MFV) ~ Silver Nomination
Squeak. I don't have the hard copy, so if anyone can find the page numbers for the quotes, I would be so extremely grateful for that. Comments? 02:02 Tue Feb 2

Page numbers have been found! If you need any others, let me know and I can dig them up for you!

You got all of them. Thanks so much! ^^ 23:30 Tue Feb 2

CBV? 05:54, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Pebblepaw (RF) ~ Silver Nomination
Meep I'll remove the narrator quote if it's not really worth keeping. 05:53, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, can you remove it? 23:41, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Done. 05:39, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Madric - Silver Nomination
He's cool for such a minor cat tbh.

There were a few parts where I think it's mistakenly past-tense, but idk if you meant for it to be like that: "Ravenpaw and Barley hear a joyful yowl, as if Madric was pleased that Ravenpaw and Barley were starting to tire out.", (paragraph 4) "Ravenpaw notes that ... he clearly wasn't afraid of a fight... " (p. 1), and "She goes on to say that her brother and his companion were welcome anywhere..." (p. 5)

Also, in this sentence: " Hissing, he tells the two traveling cats that they shouldn't be telling him what to worry about, and that he'll decide." (p. 2), I'm unsure of what exactly Madric would decide. I think it's on what he will worry about, but can you explain that a bit more? And in the sentence, "Violet says that's nonsense, and explains to Madric that the black-and-white cat and the black one were her brother..." (p. 5) Instead of saying: "she says that's nonsense", could you change it to she says that the idea is nonsense, or something like that? Since 'that's nonsense' is kind of like just quoting what she said instead of summarizing it. Same goes for this sentence: "Violet says enough, and with one last hiss, the aggressive kittypets leave and give up their chase." (p. 6) 23:00 Fri Feb 5

It's not a mixture of tense... I write like that all the time and no one has ever had an issue before now. o.O It isn't written in past tense, and that's just my style of writing. Changing the style of how the sentences are formatted means I'm going to end up having to rewrite the entire article, and I will not be very pleased if I'm being forced to do so. It's not past tense, it's just using a variety of words so it reads better. It's just how I write; it's grammatically correct and how I was taught (by a doctor in the profession, no less), so it's perfectly acceptable.

As for the other things you pointed out, I'll take care of them when I'm more awake (so probably in a few hours). I think one of them, including what Madric decides, was accidentally a partial sentence, but I got sidetracked and forgot where I was going with it. But the only thing that I won't tweak is the "were her brother" thing, because the entire thing is "were her brother and his friend". Stealth tried to change that and I changed it back, because "is her brother and his friend" didn't read right with the rest of the sentence. I may change it to "are her brother and his friend", but I will not put "is", as it makes no sense given that I originally did that, and it made no sense whatsoever.

Blossompaw (SC) ~ Silver Nomination
Eh I was unsure about the quotes so I just added them. I'll remove if it is not really worth keeping. 21:28, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I noticed a couple things... First, in this sentence, "Sharpclaw, the SkyClan deputy sends one the young cat wanting to join SkyClan, Bella, to join this patrol." I switched the words 'one' and 'the' cause it sounded really weird. Second, there was two 'carry' 's in one sentence, and I'm pretty sure that was a typo so I fixed it. :) 21:41, February 5, 2016(UTC)

The first quote in her quotes section isn't really necessary, and I think "the one young cat" could be changed to "one of the young cats". I also suggest re-reading what you wrote and perhaps adding another comma or two, as I'm finding it to be a bit fast-paced. I did fix one or two, but it wouldn't hurt to check and see if any others are necessary.

Updated. Thanks for the help! I've also moved the quote to the main quote since it's just one now. 22:18, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Pasha ~ Silver Nomination
Like the name, dislike the cat. Comments? 22:34, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, so the things that I fixed; the description should be when we find the information, and it should have stayed as I cited it the other day. We shouldn't combine cites unless it's absolutely necessary. As for the name and affiliations, they should be when they are revealed. It does not say in the allegiances that Pasha was a kittypet- we don't find that out until chapter 7. I know it sounds stupid, but it's a huge pet peeve of mine and actually might be the cause of why some cites were deemed invalid. I don't normally do these kinds of things when someone's nominating an article, so I apologize. I just had everything cited as it should have been, and I'm not sure why any of it was removed.

sorry about that. Been a big week for me I think my head is a little everywhere right now. 23:05, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Raven Pelt ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to the one who wrote the Path of Stars section. Comments? 02:38 Sat Feb 6

You missed a cite. Also, can you find more quotes from Path of Stars? I'm pretty sure he had a little more to do than cats complaining about how un-campmate like he is. 05:28, February 6, 2016 (UTC)