Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Feathertail - Declined
After a bit of work i've come up with this pic. This is my first tabby and I appreciate any suggestions for improvement. -- FxC**The Waterfall** 23:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC) It's good,but I think that the abby markings should be lighter.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 00:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is the updated version. How do you guys like it now? -- FxC **The Waterfall** 13:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks better!I like it.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 13:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... it looks pretty good, but if you look closely, there are some faint white spots. Are those supposed to be there? Grocery ( Grocery store, Cart ) 00:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

GB, do you mean the lighter parts? That's the shading. Sorry if you misunderstood. You'll see on some pixels, Brambleclaw for instance, that the shading is like that. -- FxC **The Waterfall** 01:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think she looks like what she should look like.A mix between Gray and Silver,even though she has Silver's pelt color.-- Jayfeather Song of Storms 13:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jay. Do you know where Kitsu is? -- FxC **The Waterfall** 13:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

If that's supposed to be there, than I think you did a great job on this one, FxC. Grocery ( Grocery store, Cart ) 00:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great comments, guys. As soon as Gorse and Kitsu approve, I'll put it on the page. -- FxC *The Waterfall* 13:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't approve it as is. But I will say that you've got a great start and I just have a little thing that needs tweaking. The tabby markings look completely drawn on, and not like a part of the pelt. Mayhaps blend them in just a touch so the edges of the markings are a bit softer.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Kitsu, I blurred the tabby markings. Whaddya think now? --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's looking great. Mind if I get a little extra specific? The shading looks like markings on her. Maybe buff out the edges a bit so they don't have any sort of hard edge. Shade, shade, shade, Blend, blend, blend. That's my mantra.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you like it now? --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if they're blended, but some of the tabby markings look like they're melting. G B 02:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of the markings are blended, some arn't. Shoot for a more consistent quality in the look of the markings, please.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Better? --FxC **The Waterfall** 12:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Much. Now... Just a touch more shading and I'd call it done. Great work.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been almost 2 weeks and there hasn't been so much as a comment indicating progress or added progress. I'll have to decline it, but it's with the understanding that you'll resubmit once further progress is made. I'm just trying to keep clutter down. Will be archiving this shortly.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Briarkit - For approval
I drew Briarkit. Any constructive criticism is appreciated. G B 03:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

A few things. One, the background cannot be colored, and also needs to be transparent. I can fix that for you. Two, the eyes are "missing." Three, there needs to be more blending and shading. FxC **The Waterfall** 13:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

1. I will fix the background, but I would appreciate it if you made it transparent.2. Her eye-color hasn't been said yet; if it is revealed in Long Shadows, I'll add it.3. If you can give me some tips on how to do the shading and blending, I'll work on it. G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 14:39, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Idf you downloaded an art program you should have a blurtool if you do you use a darker shade around the edges then you use the blurtool to blend them together.--Redflare 14:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I reuploaded Briarkit; I attempted to some shading. Like it? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

It's better!-- J K  O  21:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jakko! FxC, any comments? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great comments! If there's anything else I can do to improve it (besides blurtool :p), tell me! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks better. The outline need to be black though. For the eyes, I know it hasn't been revealed. I suggest green - it's really neutral. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If we left things out to wait for details from the books, pretty much none of the characters would be able to be done. I'd personally suggest a generic cat-eye-color like amber. Outlines need to be black. Shading is needed. And the pink selected for inside the ears... It's rather... bright and unnatural.. Maybe suggest a softer, gentler pink. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Added her eyes. But I forgot about the black outline, fix that as soon as I can! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Did the outline. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like the outline was changed from the original lineart... and the eyes... have this creepy staring Zombie thing going on... <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Kitsufox is right. It does look like a zombie with these eyes.ZZ Top 19:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you should just draw in little pupils to make it look more natural. 97.115.124.162 03:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree...-- J K  O  03:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

This really does look good, GB. Just draw some pupils in like 97... said and blur the shading and ears and it'll look great! -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I have GIMP now! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 01:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Much improved. The eyes are still... a bit off. You might wish to spend some more time on them. And the shading needs to get blended into the picture, as does the pink on the inside of the ears (right now it just looks like a dollop of paint fell there). You've sorted the outline issue wonderfully, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Kitsu! I'm on it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The ear pink is still unblended and incredibly bright. The shading is still un-blended. The eyes do look good, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll take your advice, Kitsu. I'll work on Briarkit. On the changes. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Spiderleg - Withdrawn by User
I drew Spiderleg. Any constructive criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Siderleg has extra long legs I think, and also, try to add some shading.-- J K  O  20:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and do something about the legs, but he has shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 21:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't do anything about the legs; when I tried, I almost stretched him to death, and I made him blurry! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 22:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats really good,it just needs shading and longer legs.I personally don't see any shading. If you want longer legs,can you cut somewhere,paste that somewhere,then draw a bit for the legs,then add the other part?-- Jayfeather Sheikah 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What you're asking for, Sheikah... It's a major affair rather than something so simple. For it to look right the back legs and back would need to be almost completely redrawn. GB... Blending and shading are needed. And a less fluorescent shade for the inside of the ears. Not a bad start, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe you mean Jayfeather, Kitsu ;)–– &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; undefined 23:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * P Yeah.Jay or Jayfeather.Sheikah has a nice ring to it though.SHeikah,the tribe of ninja-like people from Zelda OoT.That should be a nickname!-- Jayfeather Sheikah 01:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Spiderleg. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I tried to blend the brown a little. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 01:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the shading on the brown part is great, jut needs to be blurred. The black shading, I must say, looks like a marking on the pelt, a marking that is not blurred correctly, to boot. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I thought I took care of those problems. Okay, I'll get on it, <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 13:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hope this looks better. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The brown patch on the chest needs to be blended in, right now it looks like he laid in some brown paint. Also, around the ears and in a couple of other spots it looks like the flood-fill escaped the boundaries of the lineart. And the pink circle of the inside of the really needs to get shaped properly to look natural and blended into the actual image. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The eyes on Spiderleg are amber, not yellowMallinois 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * When asking for color, marking or other similar changes, please provide citation information for where in the books are coming from. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 02:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * See Allegiances Midnight.–– Σulãlíã 459 678 05:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on all of these images, but it might take a couple of days. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 01:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 01:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it looks good, but mabye some more blending on the brown patch would be good. Plus, if you want to try making long legs, try extending the leg outlines upward into the body. Other than that, it looks good. But it's up to Gorse and Kitsu now.Mallinois 14:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll go with the blending, but as Kitsu said above, making his legs longer would involve re-drawing the linearr; it isn't really necessery. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

How's this? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 17:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Still looking unnatural in a lot of places. Blending is still needed. As is more shading. Mallinois, extending the legs is not a simple thing given the pose the character is in. The anatomy of the image will be screwed up if the elbow is just raised, but with the sitting pose, the entire image would have to be redrawn to make that work. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I used the smudge tool a bit. How does he look? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It dosen't show, unfortunately. The shading is still un-blended, the inside of the ear is still extremely unnaturally pink and totally un-integrated. The shading is still incomplete, also. Only sections have any shading attempting to create definition and 3Dness. I honestly want to suggest that you withdraw all but one of your images, figure out one, and then come back to the others. Right now you're spread over a bunch of peices and just arn't getting to take the time to really perfect any one because you're spread so thin. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm focusing all of my attention on Briarkit. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Harespring - For Approval
My first attempt at making a pixel. I know there's a lot wrong with it, but anyway. Criticize away :–– &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; undefined 19:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My first impression involves the fact that I see strait lines. Which are not natural ;) Rough 'em up. Definetly not a bad start, though. You do need blending, though, on the markings so they look less painted on and more a part of the pelt. And it needs shading. I swear... I need a notice at the top that reads "If you haven't blended or shaded your picture it isn't ready for consideration". <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 19:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I blended it a bit more, added a bit more (of what I hope is) shading. Any better?–– &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; undefined 20:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The only place I see shading is on the back leg... You need more. To give the image definition and a suggestion of shape. The white markings are someone better. But there are still strait lines on the forepaw and tail. The pink for the inside of the ear... Is sorta messed up, too. You might want to take a look at how others have done it... Right now it looks off because the pink is too wide. Nice work on fixing the markings, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I added some more shading, fixed the ear, and added some more smudging. Gotta go, though, so I'll do the straight lines when I get back, sometime tomorrow.–– &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; undefined 13:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay, Eu's helping with the project! :p But I thought Harespring was brown and white; this looks nothing like brown. He also looks blurry at some spots, and I can't see the shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll want to fix where the blurring and smudging fuzzed-up your outline. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't belive Harespring has spots, either. This needs to be redone competly.ZZ Top 19:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Harespring is "a brown-and-white tom." This is correct colors. swifty {ASTRX} 19:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the overall picture, but there are just a few things. The color of the pelt looks more like a mixture of yellow-tan than brown. Try a color like what Briarkit has. Also, in the allegiances of Eclipse, it just says he's a brown and white tom, not that he has white spots. Maybe try more like patches of white. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

ZZ Top, it does not need to be completely redone. The brown looks yellowish, and like Kitsu said, you need to fix where the blurring fuzzed everything up. Also, the white needs to be increased. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 02:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * We acctually don't have any proof that the cat needs more or less white. Unless you guys can track down some references from the books other than the "brown and white" bit. We don't have any indication that the cat's a tuxedo or the like. With the disregaurd of the authors towards exactness to genetics and the 'pigment parade', I simply can't decline thing on the grounds that it's not a typical interpretation of bicolor markings. I do, however, need to ask for the rest of the points where the outline is blurred to be corrected, and I'd like to see a little bit of smoothing on the outlines of the patches, and getting rid of the strait line for the white tail tip. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Rowanclaw - Declined
I had a go at Rowanclaw. What do you think?-- J K  O  01:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome,but it needs shading of course.I love the little part between the legs.It looks cool.-- Jayfeather Sheikah 01:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Made the shading more visible. Personally, I think it looks a lot better.-- J K  O  02:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A very nice start. But right now the shading is just hugging the outlines, leaving the image looking flat. You're looking to create depth and realism in the image with the shading, along with visual interest. You might also want to add the tabby 'M' to the forehead, since all red cats are technically also tabby in reality, even those that appear solid have the 'M'. But that's not strictly necessary, I'm just a psycho like that. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The tabby 'M'? What is that? -- J K  O  14:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It's the pattern of stripes on a tabby's head that looks like an M. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying he is a tabby? All he is listed as is A ginger tom (or she-cat), no tabby. Should I add it or not? I've never done tabby, so I won't be very good at it.-- J K  O  14:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I added another version. Unfortunately, with GIMP this is about the best I can get with shading, but if there are any more issues I can try.-- J K  O  15:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Without full shading... I simply can't accept it, Jakko... <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'm clueless in this shading game. Can anyone tell me where shading is definately needed?-- J K  O  20:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think he could use just a little shading along his back, as well as his chest-area. His tail looks fine, because you can't get much shading on those tails. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

GB is the only one that knows were shading is needed? I will try to add more shading.-- J K  O  20:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Taa Daa! I added shading, and the tabby 'M'!-- J K  O  23:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's coming along, but I suggest blurring the tabby M on the forehead. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 22:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, the tabby 'M' is blurred.-- J K  O  21:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think this looks good Sandstar12 15:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Very nice improvements. Only a few issues left. In places the outlines have gone fuzzy. The shading needs to be amped up a bit, and blended more. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to "de-fuzz" it. I added shading to the belly, although it looks kind of weird.-- J K  O  20:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like your shading is just smudging the outlines... So we really need to amp up the shading and give him that 3d look we all know and love. And the ear pink needs to be made a part of the picture. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Declining this due to lack of progress/comments as a part of a cleanup effort. Once you get time to work on it feel free to resubmit. Will archive soon. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hazeltail - Declined
Here's my go at Hazeltail. Please criticize me, as long as it' constructive. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 03:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A nice start, but there are a few concerns. The markings have very un-naturally looking edges. Mainly in the sense that there are 2 distinct half circle markings (the one where ear and head meet, and the one on the flank). And then... Here we go... I'm gonna say it again: SHADING. *cough* Anyways, a few fixes, and you'll be good to go. It's an excellent beginning. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How does it look now? Tried to do the markings in the style of Bramble's Brightheart pic. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

This is awesome fxc!I can't wait till it's completly finished.-- Jayfeather Sheikah 13:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I really like it! I don't see really anything that needs improving, except for maybe blurring the tail patch a bit. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 16:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I think she could use a little more gray than white. Otherwise, great job FxC! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The markings on the head and tail need to be blended in like the ones on the body. Shading is needed. Yes. Even on the white parts. And the pink inside the ear looks painted on and needs to be worked fully into the image. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this OK? --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You've nailed getting the patches blended (Good job), but the shading needs to be intensified so that you get that 3D impression. And the ear pink still looks painted in and needs to get worked completely into the image to look more natural. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Another cleanup effort decline due to lack of progress or comments. Feel free to resubmit once changes are made. Will archive soon. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Toadkit For Approval
This is my go at Toadkit. Please comment appropriately. Eaglebranch (Talk) 01:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, he looks to... white. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All the markings need to be blended, as they're all hard-lines between the white and color leaving no sense of fur. Shading is also needed. And the pink of the inside of the ears needs to acctually be worked into the image, rather than just painted in. Very nice start, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think he looks really cute(Bramble like cute:) but like Kitsu said the patches need to be blended so it looks more natural. Other than that, ditto to first line(btw, I really like the shade of green you used for the eyes. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Mousewhisker - for approval
Okay, my second attempt at a pixel. This one's better, I think. I remembered to use the correct blank this time at least!! Thoughts? (ps. I couldn't find what colour his eyes are supposed to be - I don't think it says - but I thought blue looked better than amber) --Sandstar12 19:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

This one is really great! But its up to gorse and kitsu.--Redflare 19:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Redflare x--Sandstar12 21:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks fine other than the fact that the female blank was used. But good job! --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 12:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

darn-it! I didn't notice any difference between the blanks...Do I need to re-do this on the male blank? (don't worry - one day I will get it right :])--Sandstar12 15:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

No just take out the spek from the eye.--Redflare 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, think I see the difference now. I re-uploaded. --Sandstar12 20:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you need to erase a few pixels, then the eye will be male. But otherwise this looks great. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 01:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the positive comments - now I just need to wait and see whether it's accepted.--Sandstar12 19:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * A very nice start, but not yet ready to be accepted. It needs to be shaded to give the image a 3D quality, and the pink on the inside of the ear looks painted on and needs to be worked into the image fully. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this any better? --Sandstar12 17:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's improved, but take a good look at Bramble's works, and you'll see more what I'm talking about. You'll want to be careful not to smudge the outlines. You're getting there, just a bit further and it'll be great. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Now? --Sandstar12 13:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Mabye add some highlights.--Whenyouknowthenotestosing 16:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I added some more lighter areas. I don't want to add too much more shading or highlighting though because he could start to look like a grey cat, not a white cat with grey spots, if you see what I mean...well, I tried--Sandstar12 17:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this okay now? Or do I still need to do more?--Sandstar12 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately... I can't approve it as that character... You're right in saying that it looks like a grey cat, now. You over-killed on the patch blending... and I think you worked on a single layer in the graphics program to do your shading... <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I agree 100% I have a question though: If I put the pixel back into the eye to make it female, change the eye colour to a yellow shade and smooth out the shading to make it a more consistent colour could I put thsi up for approval as Greypool? She's described as a grey-white she-cat with yellow eyes. This should be declined though.-- Sandy 18:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll add a new approval section for the modified image. This can be declined now. :)-- Sandy 19:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

My brain isn't working today - GreyMIST not Greypool! Greypool needs an elder blank...anyway. -- Sandy 19:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Brackenfur - For Approval



 * It doesn't matter to me about Sandstorm anyway...I've created Brackenfur since I know no one is working on a picture for him. The only problem is there wasn't anything about his eye color on his page so I didn't color that. I'm looking over my books now to see if I can find it anywhere though. Make comments as you please. -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 02:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you should blend the tabby markings a little. Plus, what color are his eyes?Mallinois 22:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Do generic cat amber, as Kitsu has said before. Also the shading needs to stay on the line of the blank, instead of being wavy like it is now. But this is quite a good start, just needs minor tweaking. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 23:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Shading wavy? I don't get what you mean by that but I'll still blend and make the eyes amber.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 01:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The tabby markings look... strange. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 01:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I reuploaded Brackenfur. I smooth the tabby markings into the shading and kinda recolored him. I'm not sure why, but I think the other color was better. You guys tell me which was better for his pelt, I can always go back to it.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The pelt color looks good. But the tabby markings need to be a bit lighter - see Brambleclaw, Dustpelt and Feathertail pics so you can look at the minimal contrast between the markings and the pelt. Also, refer to those pics when actually drawing the tabby markings, because they need to be more varied and unique...all you have right now are squiggly lines. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

He looks like someone spilled burnt spaghetti on him. definetly need to fix the tabby markings.^-^Mallinois 15:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

1. It looks like someone dipped a paintbrush in dark red paint and streaked his pelt with it. 2. If you look at the top of his head, you'll see there's a very light patch. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

That looks awesome, not quite the way I imagined him but still 97.115.120.104 16:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's my newest update for Brackenfur. I looked at my old Squirrelflight one for reference. The tabby markings are different and I changed the shading. Everything is more blended and smudge together to make it more in tone.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 17:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Better, but the tip of the ear needs to be brightened up a bit. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 17:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A very nice bit of work, just a few improvements. The first thing that I notice many people have commented on, and that's the tabby markings. They just don't like like they're acctually a part of the pelt. Then the ear pink. Unlike GB, I acctually think the bottom needs to get blended in better so it's not glaring unnatural pink. And then the shading needs to get amped up, but get the tabby sorted first. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Right on it. I did everything you said even though you said try the tabby markings first. I think I'm improving with tabby markings too. The ear is darken as well and the shading is also redone. Comment please-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 00:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The improvements are looking great. Now it's just time to finish out the blending on the shading, and spread the shading over the whole picture (the head has been completely untouched by it). <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Medicine Cat Blanks - For Approval


I'm back! This time I'm trying to contribute with these medicine cat blanks. I made them look as realistic as I could, and tried to stick with the style of the previous blanks. And, as trivia, the herb that the medicine cat is carrying is coltsfoot! Well...if one were to color the flower yellow. XD But either way, constructive criticism is welcome. I hope these are fine! C: --Hazelflower 04:43, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Me likey! --Spottedleaf x firestar 11:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool! The coltsfoot was definately a nice touch!-- J K  O  13:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

First of all, there already are medicine cat blanks up for approval. The coltsfoot was nice, but these blanks look a bit manga-ish. Good effort though. --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 13:48, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know there couldn't be more than one up for approval at a time!! I'm sorry. D: Also, do you have any suggestions, perhaps? It'd be more helpful if you were to tell me how to make them look more realistic, rather than just saying they look mangaish, ya know? But I really appreciate the honesty. :D --Hazelflower 20:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, the eyes need to be a bit bigger, and maybe even out the facial features, so the forehead isn't so big? --<span style="font:11px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:#00CCCC 1px solid;background-color:#996633;padding:0 4px 0 4px;">FxC **The Waterfall** 00:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

There can be more than one of a certain blank for approval at a time; just because one is already p, doesn't mean that another can't be posted.–– Σulãlíã 459 678 00:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think Kitsu is going to deal with this problem soon, that way there won't be any arguements. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And also I would like to tie in with Eu, the person said they'd like to decline the art themselves so really its ok for another blank to be up. Kitsu just hasn't been up to update it so I see nothing wrong with it all. Also GB and FB I know you guys are helping out alot while Kitsu is away, but you don't have to act like you guys are the leaders of this. I'm just saying how it feels to me. Anyway...I personally love the blank Hazelflower. Great job and they do seem realistic. Maybe you could even redo some of the other bases, you know? -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 04:33, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, FC. I really appreciate it! C: And I hope it didn't cause any controversy...? I just wanted to make some blanks. XD~ And thanks, Shim-Shim. I appreciate the compliment! :D -Hazelflower 04:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Update! Okay, so I made the foreheads smaller like you (sort of) suggested, FC. I tried to move the facial features around, but it just looked really weird to me. Either way, I hope it looks a little better now. -Hazelflower 00:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Let's get this party started... Very nice work. But not 100% set for approval, as I have a few tweaks. They all probably stem from what I think is a usual Anime-style of drawing that you have. It's not necessarily anything bad, just some tweaks I'd like to see to get them to fit a bit more with existing blanks and amp up the realism a touch. You've got a great start, though. I like the head as it is now. You might want to raise the eyes a pixel or so, but I don't know if that would acctually help deal with the high cranium. It might acctually be best as it is now. Now... Something about the far-foreleg is weird to me... I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's just that it starts so far forward compared to the other. You've acctually got the same effect happening on the far-hind, also. And the tail seems... a tad long. You've got a stellar start, however. OH! And for the longhairs... Can we get a touch of shaggy on the head and legs? Not too much, just a bit! Like at teh elbow and knee and between the ears. Not too much, just a little so they look less sleek. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

All right! :D I worked really hard on improving these, and I hope that they're to everyone's liking. I even moved the eyes up a pixel (and the cat's left eye closer to the other just a bit) and I quite like the result. C: -Hazelflower 22:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They're looking great. I still have one thing I think needs work. It's more pronounced on the shorthair... But there's just something a little weird about the connection of the neck to the body. You're getting there, and it's looking excellent. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Lionblaze - For Approval
Hi. I'm only just getting the hang of this! Here's my first contribution, Lionblaze! I did as best as I could, I hope it's OK... --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 19:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan

Okay, there are a few things I would say about this: Firstly, I would personally say that LIonblaze has a slightly darker pelt colour than this. More of an orangey-brown than a sandy yellow. Also, there needs to be more tabby markings and they some more shading needs to be added. I would also make his eyes more of an orange too. His description says: 'golden tabby tom with amber eyes' --Sandstar12 19:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the tip, i will try and make it better! --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 20:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan

Is that OK? Or should I add more shading? --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 20:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

This is better than it was, I'm sure with the extremely high standards here that there is still some more work to do though. I would advise that you add some more shading and maybe tone down the orange stripes a little so that they are a darker shade of teh pelt colour and not so bright. Also, his ear needs to be a more pinkish colour, not yellow and needs to be blended in. This is a good improvement though--Sandstar12 20:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

There - I tried toimprove it. Is it better? ^_^ --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its looking better, a little more shading could be added too. Remember to blur them together to make the colors smooth. -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 04:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It actually needs a lot of shading. I can barely see it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 05:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, the tabby markings are very sharp against the pelt. They need to be blended. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 05:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, OK, sheesh! By the way, how do you blend it? I made it using paint, so.... --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 13:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

First off, the colors are done very well. :D If you're using a program like paint, you could use progressively lighter (or darker) colors next to each other to show shading/blending. I'm not very good at explaining things, but I hope it helps either way!! -Hazelflower 15:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm... Paint doesn't have blurtool, so it's very hard to use paint and make images. I used to use just Paint, and it was a nightmare! Now I color my images with paint, and edit them with GIMP. Anyway, you should probably download GIMP. Here's a link: <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B  15:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This isn't blending. All you did was outline the tabby markings. Now they look strange, and they're still sharply defined from his pelt. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I know, i know. that was with paint. I'll try downloading that GIMP you were on about. --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I used GIMP, and this is what I got! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * GB take it easy this is Leopardstar's first work. As for Lepardstar, I see some of the shading and don't forget to add some to his back. I don't see any shading at all. You're improving a lot. -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 16:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, as far as I know, there is no "taking it easy on people"; I'm just telling her what is needed. Anyway, maybe just a little bit more blending, and the shading we all know and love. ;) <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll get to it! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 16:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

There! Please comment! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 08:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Um... you never re-uploaded him. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 14:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe in a firm approach of 'no mercy'. If you submit here, the art is subjected to the expected standards. Respect and politeness are to be used to explaining the points for improvement, however. Now... The color choices I like, but shading and blending are lacking, as others have said... You do have a great start and it's a well done bit of work for it being your first go at this, but I do have one thing to say that the others haven't. It concerns the way the tabby markings are drawn, and the fact that Garfield-tabby won't be accepted as long as I have any say in this project. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

OK.... So, different markings, and more shading and blending? I will try! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 14:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Crowfrost- Withdrawn by User
Okay, I brought him back with blending! <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 05:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it.--Whenyouknowthenotestosing 06:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It does look a little blended, but I'd advise using smudge tool for shading and blending. Blur tool (which I am guessing you used) doesn't cover much area.-- J K  O  13:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

KK, I'm on it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

How's this? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I dunno...the patches still look really painted on to me. I don't know what everyone else thinks though.--Sandstar12 12:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I have such trouble commenting on this one because of the layout of the white... I know too much about cat genetics and pigmentation to be truly easy on this one... The placement of the white makes me twitch because of how much their is (cat color technically comes as if poured in from the top. But the hunters do firmly ignore this fact. See Blackstar and his unnatural black feet on an otherwise white cat.). I do agree with Sandstar, though. The white patches really don't feel like a part of the pelt proper. Maybe experiment with some smudging and try and get a sense of the longhaired fur in the markings. If you look at this picture, you might see what I'm talking about. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I used the smudge tool just a bit. How's this? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The patches sort of remind me of clouds..-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 23:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They're still not quite right, GB... They need more work. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm focusing all of my attention on Briarkit. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Foxpaw- for Approval

 * I created Foxpaw nearly a month ago and finally decided to get him uploaded. The eyes are amber just like Kitsu said to do for cats that's eye color haven't been mentioned. I always pictured him with green eyes for some reason...but enough of that, make comments as you please. -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 06:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think this is very good. I also pictured him with green eyes though!--Sandstar12 16:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah maybe it'll be revealed in later books.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 17:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a nice start... But I'm going to say two words that I say all the time: Blend and Shade. I mention blending because none of the markings look like they've been properly integrated into the pelt. And I mention shading because you've only got a shaded line down the back. Nice color choices, though. It's a good start and just needs a bit of fine tuning to be good to go. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's the newest Foxpaw. I was wondering, if his eyes will finally be revealed in later books, would I have to reupload him? Anyway, I did what you said Kitsu and blended and shaded more. I don't think my new idea with blending works so well with apprentices, but I'll find one eventually. He is my first try with an apprentice after all.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 00:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If the eyes are revealed someday, it's just a little tweak and we upload a new copy over. More blending on the shading. Also, there are points in the outline where it's gotten screwed up that need to get fixed. It's a good start, just a bit more work to do. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Crowfeather- for Approval

 * Many might remember the first image I tried out when I first joined. I did Crowfeather along with Squirrelflight. Though Squirrelflight was made around the same time and approved, I never got around to edit poor Crowfeather. Since I finally have time on my hands I've reuploaded him. I remembered Kitsu saying I needed to re-add the line art back to him. So here's Crowfeather with the lineart back again and the same coloring. Comment please :) -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 06:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

That's really good! I couldn't do better than that! >_< --Leopardstar&#39;s Ultimate fan 13:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The shading on his back looks... awkward. Also, the pink part of his ear looks like a perfume bottle instead of a triangle. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I remembered Kitsu saying something about it too. Well now here's the update version. I redid his ear and decided on my new way with shading. -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 17:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, now he looks like someone stuck their hands in like, five different types of black paint, and rubbed their hands all over him. He needs to be one color, with shading. The ear looks better, though. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 17:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, GB, with some blending his hindquarter will be wonderfully shaded and look nicely 3D. Now, Shim, you just need to get the head and forequarters in the same way and blend everything together. The ear... I would love to see less pink because dark furred cats have dark skin. And the pink nose... Please do away with it, as it looks... rather out of place. Great improvements so far, I look forward to seeing you take it the rest of the way. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Got it Kitsu. Here's the new uploaded version of Crowfeather. I did all what you said, but I think I took out too much pink. Comments please ^_^ -- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 00:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think more pink can come out. I hate bright pink ears. They look terribly unnatural. Google some black cat pictures and you'll see what I mean. The hindleg looks great, now blend some more on the forequarters, try and get a more defined shoulder going on, and add shading to the head. You're doing great. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitewing - For Approval
My second coloured image. Tell me if I need more shading! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

She looks too white. I think it needs more shading to make it look more 3-D. Plus, the inside of the ear should have a color(I reccomend pink) In my mind, I always imagined Whitewing's eyes to be a darker green.Mallinois 15:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I'll start improving. There, I made a new version! Is it any better? --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think shading is supposed to stretch out to her neck like that. Also, the eyes looks gray. She has green eyes. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

And I just noticed, she has a blue line under her. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Her eyes AREN'T grey! They're Olive Green! *sighs* Can't I get anything right? --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, is that better? --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I think that when the shading stretched out out along the neck looked great. I t made Whitewing look more muscular. The eyes don't look gray to me. plus, have you tried blending the ear? If you use paint(which Ihave) let the image sit for awwhile and the program blends the image itsself.Mallinois 18:13, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

So shading on the neck? I KNEW that was a good idea, but GB thought otherwise... *sigh* --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 14:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * GB's opinion of how things should look does not always line up with those of the folks running the project. The image needs more shading. It needs to be over the whole image. This means no leaving out the head ;) I'd also like to see the ear pink blended a bit more. Nice start. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Kit's Eyes
I know how Kitsu said to make a catw ith unknown eye color amber, but all kits (I read this somewhere) have blue eyes, so if a kit has an unknown eye color, make it blueMallinois 20:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Um... that's unrealistic. If all kits have blue eyes, explain how when they get older, they have green or amber eyes. :p <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think that's true. Aren't all human babies born with blue eyes? I think it's just like that until they develop their new eye color. I know whenever my dog has puppies, they have blue-ish eyes when they first open, but they develop to become brown eyes. C: I could be wrong, though. XD -Hazelflower 04:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Mallinois is actually right about kits having blue eyes after they first open them. I've read this in many books. Most kits eyes change about 3 weeks of age. The change is completed after atleast 4 months. Once they change that's the eye color they'll keep for life. Though some keep their kitten blueness which I love a lot, but its not common only by pedigree breeding. Though of course we are speaking of the warriors world, but tabbies make quiet an exception to this since they can have blue eyes too even without being pedigree.-- Shim-Shim Shimmering Crystals 05:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The Warriors world has never paid any attention to realistic cat genetics or physical development (IE: Firestar and Sandstorm are genetically unable to produce non-red offspring. And even assuming that Sandstorm is really a tortie who's not showing much evidence of her genetic structure, they still can't produce a brown she-cat.). But there is absolute truth in that kittens (and puppies, as a side note) are born with blue eyes. In fact, it's also true of humans. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Kitsu's right. All kittens are born with blue eyes. Then their eyes slowly develop their natural pigmentation as they grow older, usually around six weeks or so, I believe, though it can take longer. I'm not entirely sure though, so don't quote me until I can find a source. Gorse 04:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Voletooth - for approval
Okay, I tried an image of Voletooth. Constructive critisism welcome :)--Sandstar12 21:41, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This brown has a slight tan tinge to it. Also, there's something in the background that looks like the shading of a white cat. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I sorted the background and darkened his colour a bit. --Sandstar12 12:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

That's really good! And reallistic! --: Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Leopardheart--Sandstar12 15:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm... you could also touch up the pink part of the ear a bit. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 16:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I increased the pink colour--Sandstar12 16:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The color was fine; it's the fact that the ear looks like you just stuck it on and blended. It needs to be more of a triangle shape. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 17:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, how about now?--Sandstar12 18:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a good start, but there's still some work to do. The shading needs to be completed (why none on the muzzle?) and the shoulder needs some definition. The ear pink needs some blending, and the shade could be toned down (really bright pink never looks quite right). <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I sorted the ear, added some shading around the muzzle and shoulder areas as well as some highlights on the flank and middle chest area. I also blended this shading more thoroughly. -- Sandy 19:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Join Request - Hazelflower
I'd really love to join this project. I thoroughly enjoy drawing and coloring, and I'd love to contribute as much as I can! :D -Hazelflower 23:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

What Happens...
Now that Flamekit is approved, what'll happen when he becomes an apprentice? 97.115.120.104 00:04, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Then it'll be time for a Flamepaw picture, I think!! :D -Hazelflower 00:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, a browse inside LS on Amazon revealed that Flamekit is now Flamepaw. But it's probably best to wait until the book comes out to work on him. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 15:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, it's perfectly alright to work inside the released canon. And when the time comes, we'll add additional images. Eventually, I'd like to have character art for all ranks a character has appeared in through the books. I would not suggest working in advance of the book release. What if something like a grievous injury or an interesting new scar happens during the course of the book? [Randomly taking the time to say this while popping in during the 5 minuets she's acctually got] <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Moonflower?
Would we consider Bluestar's mother as an elder or a warrior? Or a queen? Because I'd like to do her and I don't know if I should use the warrior base. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 23:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Graymist - For approval


Okay, here's an image of Greymist. (RiverClan warrior) -- Sandy 19:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Graymist is a pale grsay cat, not gray and white.See Allegiances Dark River

I know. I have read the allegiances before I chose her as the character you know...I didn't just guess... The whole point of this image is that it was TOO grey to be a grey and white cat...-- Sandy 21:17, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

You need to deal with that white tinge. Otherwise, I think it looks pretty nice. Maybe you could touch up the ear a little. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 00:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Same Image
I was thinking...Why not use the same image for two articles, like Brambleclaw and Tigerstar, Dustpelt and Gorseclaw, Nightcloud and Hollyleaf, or Tinypaw and Whitewing apprentise

It's just not the way it goes. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B 23:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Queen blanks-for approval
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