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Healer Blanks- For Approval
Oh boy, I hoped these are uploaded right Malina457 (talk) 03:50, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Sorry for the stupid question, but do these need to be pixelated? It doesn't look like it, but also, maybe lengthen the short haired tail? Good job! Ravenpaw99 (talk) 03:58, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

Could you make a littttle bid wider in the stomach/flank area? They look a bit skinny atm. Great job though! 04:04, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

Reups I can't make them pixalated Malina457 (talk) 04:23, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Eventually, this will need to be pixelated. So before these are CBA'd, we will have to ask one of our users to pixalate them for you. 04:32, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

I've removed the |300px from the end of your image code. It's modifying the true size of the image, and on the approval page it needs to appear as it really is, so others can see what they'll be working with (in this case, the modifier was showing an altered size from the original). Please crop both of these as well and shrink them to be the size they'd appeared to be before, but weren't 04:46, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

I'll do my best, will upload tomorrow Malina457 (talk) 04:58, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Reups I can try and make them not so blurry when I'm not aboutt to pass out. I'll have to kinda re-draw them, maybe. Malina457 (talk) 05:44, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Would you like me to redline them for you? 9:42 Mon Aug 13 2018

If you wouldn't mind, I would really appreciate it Malina457 (talk) 13:15, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Could you make the longhair's tail more bushy? :D  HA WK FI RE98  18:25, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

I edited the longhair, shorthair will be done later Malina457 (talk) 21:36, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

reupsedited both Malina457 (talk) 21:45, August 13, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Could you make the front legs a little longer? I think they would be the same length as the hind legs in that pose. 14:32, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Reups How's that? Malina457 (talk) 15:12, August 14, 2018 (UTC)Malina

These could still be shrunk some, our tallest all hit just under 200, so it could be scaled back a 100 pixels height-wise from where it is now. This is to prevent distortion in the infobox, if it's too large wikia will start to mess with it. Also, there's still a good amount of empty space surrounding these, which should be cropped out. 19:24, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

 Reups: I tried, hope they aren't too blurry Malina457 (talk) 20:20, August 14, 2018 (UTC)Malina

reups tried something with the short fur Malina457 (talk) 01:06, August 15, 2018 (UTC)Malina

The longhair looks blurry. 03:37, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

This might just be me, but their torsos look very long. The haunches should try and match the shoulders a bit in height. The long hair's fluff lineart looks a bit thick compared to the shorthair. The back paws are also curved a bit too much when they come down from the haunches, but that might be me nitpicking about style. These look really cute, just need some anatomy touchups imo. ♥ --Echo (Talk) 04:00, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

i will fix these when i can Malina457 (talk) 21:11, August 15, 2018 (UTC)Malina

What do you mean by the torso? Malina457 (talk) 21:44, August 15, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Reups I fixed everything else Malina457 (talk) 22:15, August 15, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I think Echo means that their bodies look a little too long in the middle (like how a weenie dog is long). I have to agree with her on that, but these blanks are looking really good otherwise.  HA WK FI RE98  04:04, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I meant their abdomen. Torso isn't really the right term for cats -- my bad! But yeah, other than making their bodies a lil less longer these look great! -- 04:24, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

Oh, ok XD (uploading later) Malina457 (talk) 12:17, August 16, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Reups Malina457 (talk) 21:41, August 16, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Are these drawn with the binary tool? The lineart looks very pixely when it should be smooth and flat. 23:56, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

I tried to make them pixelated Malina457 (talk) 01:55, August 19, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Reups for waste Malina457 (talk) 02:15, August 19, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Let's not worry about pixelating the blanks until the end. Anyways, could you make the belly of the long-haired blank for fluffy? 12:58, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Reups Malina457 (talk) 13:48, August 19, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Can you make the line art for the whiskers and herbs, and paws thiner on the short haired one? Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

reups Malina457 (talk) 02:27, August 21, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I think the line art on the hind leg that separates it from the tail and main body isn't needed. You've done a great job on these, Malina^^

13:34, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe enlarge the heads a bit? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 16:43, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

Reups Thanks patch, :D Malina457 (talk) 21:19, August 21, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Are these pixelated? I can't really tell.

No, I don't think they are, I did attempt though Malina457 (talk) 11:47, August 22, 2018 (UTC)Malina

They're still not pixelated. I pixelated the current version of the blanks and uploaded it here, but they also took a hit in quality. I can email the separate files to you, Malina, if you wish to edit it further. Regardless, these are really coming along. Good job! 17:51, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

reups Thank you so much for pixelating them branch, i tweaked them slightly Malina457 (talk) 21:09, August 22, 2018 (UTC)Malina

perhaps make the muzzle a bit longer and the nose dip inwards a wee bit more than it is rn? and thicken the lineart on the back and stomach of the shorthairs, they look thinner compared to the rest of it. 21:14, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome! It seems you're using a brush with anti-aliasing? Make sure to turn that off if you want to keep it in its current state. (Or just use the pencil tool, depending on what program you're using to make these). 23:00, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

For the muzzle part, which blank? Malina457 (talk) 01:26, August 23, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Can you thicken the lineart for the long-haired? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 01:50, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

reups for short Malina457 (talk) 02:02, August 23, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Reups Malina457 (talk) 02:19, August 23, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Yeah, those noses are not matching Malina457 (talk) 02:45, August 23, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Maybe curve the backs a bit? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 03:29, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

reups I tried Malina457 (talk) 22:27, August 24, 2018 (UTC)Malina

reups Malina457 (talk) 22:12, August 27, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I think this has been addressed before, but the faces between the long hair and short hair don't match at all. 00:30, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

I dont see much of a difference, and its proven hard to change Malina457 (talk) 02:34, August 28, 2018 (UTC)Malina

It might just be me, but there's a bit of a difference. The head on the short hair is longer, the whiskers don't align, and the eye is bigger on the short hair, along with the nose not aligning. It might seem nitpicky but it feels like a huge difference when I look at them. 03:05, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

reups' I tried Malina457 (talk) 22:18, August 28, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I like it, can you match the eye shape with the one on the other type? (your choice wich, I personaly would prefer you change the shorthair, but thats just me.) Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 17:12, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 21:24, August 29, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Maybe fix the mouth on the longhair so it doesn't look like a whisker? Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 21:19, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 22:40, September 1, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Sorry for so much, but its better to get it all done. Red=waste, Orange=what..., Yelow=blurde lineart, Green=looks flat, Hear you go! Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 05:05, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

For the shorthair, I think the tail should be a bit straighter, like the longhair one. Cats' tails usually don't curl back like that. Aside from that, is it possible make toe sizes on front and back paws match? Currently the back paws look slightly more squished. While you're at it make the inner hind paw of the longhair match the shorthair maybe? Sorry if it's a lot to take in, these look amazing :0

reups i tried XD Malina457 (talk) 14:47, September 3, 2018 (UTC)Malina

On the short haired one, there is wast right under the belly. Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 18:48, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 19:03, September 3, 2018 (UTC)Malina

For the back paw furthest from us on the long-haired one, can you make it look more like a paw and less like...a stub. Try adding at least one paw...digits...if that's what they are called. Toes! I mean toes. 00:14, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Oh and make the shorthair ear more like the longhair one? Actually idk if that's required, but just make the outline a bit more... flexible? I'd say just match them xP

reups Malina457 (talk) 21:25, September 4, 2018 (UTC)Malina

CBA? These turned out amazing. ^^ 01:44, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

sorry, I didn't get around to asking, could you add some more fluff on the longhaired neck? 08:31, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 23:42, September 7, 2018 (UTC)Malina

ah sorry, I should've been more specific. I meant the bit under the head, by the chin. 01:21, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 01:51, September 8, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Crowfrost (Kit) ~ For Approval
this was realy hard to do, well it is only like my third one, so of corse it was hard

Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

This is pretty! I'll only say that you have to remove the background (the white outside the outline / lineart) and remove the "|thumb" part from the image link. Good luck! ◇ Bounce frost spam eats us and we eat spam  03:47, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Done Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

Nice! Define the shading on the white parts.  HA WK FI RE98  13:16, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

You need to upload this as File:Crowfrost.kit.png, and you need to reserve this on the reservation table. ^^ 16:30, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Correct the blurred lineart on the paws, and I've removed the |left alignment off your image, do try not to readd it because it messed up the page. 16:46, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

the white on the front paws don't go that high, they only stay on the paws. also define the shading, I can't see it. 18:20, 8/14/2018 ​

Sorry about the shading, Im still new to this, is this good? Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

The lineart is still blurred pretty much all around the image, this needs to be fixed. It has to stay solid black all the way around, with no waste outside such as here where it's leaking over the blurred lines. The eyes for this also need to be green to match the first two images in the set. I'm not sure why the StarClan is mismatched, but the warrior came first so this needs to match that and the star needs that altered. 19:21, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

You'll fix a lot of problems on this image by using layers. It seems like you aren't, hence why everything looks blurred together. Check out the tutorials to see what I mean. I suggest you to create layers for the base color, white, earpink and shading separately. It just makes it so much easier to work with. I'm also wondering which program you're using for this.

Im sorry about not doing layers, the program I use, makes it somewhat hard to do layers, and if I were to do layers, I would need to re-do the whole thing. Should I just do that? because makeing this wasnt that hard, so I can re-do it if you want, and dont answar, Im re-doing it anyways. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

Okay, re-did it with layers. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

Good! :D Your lineart problem is fixed now. It's good to get into the habit of using layers. Blur/smudge the ear pink a bit and define the shading. Kit blanks are nortoriously for being a bit tricky. 20:15, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

So kits will always be tricky, kits or art, and this is like my first, so why did I do something hard? oh I didnt want to do a hunter, tell me to do something more simple next time please. [https://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Owlbite Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good] (Me talking about cats)

I think your highlight layer or whatever it is may be above the lineart layer? 20:22, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

a bit is an understatement vec I think there might be waste, could just be my eyes though. Brighten up the chest and forehead white. 21:38, 8/15/2018 ​

Erase some of the shading on the chest to do what ^ Star said.

Make sure to let everyone know that you re-uploaded. ^^ There's waste around the image. 13:08, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded, also, the program Im using has been acting wird, randomly freeezing, and I loose all my progress, sorry if it takes me a while to get it up, I try to re-do it evrey time I see a note in this part, but it still might take me a while. So aigain, sorry. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Brighten up the white, especially on the chest, it looks gray, smooth out the earpink, and smooth out the shading. 19:20, 8/17/2018 ​

re-uploded, please stop telling me to fix the gray, the only way to fix that now, is re-doing the entire thing aigain, tell me if I should do this. And I dont mind, others have noted it before, so Im telling you, I dont have emotion when making art for others, just tell me what to do, and Ill do it, and no this is not a problem, I do have emotions, so tell me what to do. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

The shading is leaking on the <- leg. Also, could you define the shading on the tail? Keep up the good work, you're doing great. ^^ 20:56, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

Re-done, thanks, Im glad to hear, well, see, Im doing good! Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Hmm, I still can't see the tail shading. Could you try putting your shading layer's (assuming you have one) setting on multiply? It should make the shading appear darker. 00:34, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

smooth out the chest shading, and if you're having trouble brightening the white, then try shading in the white on a different layer. worked for me. 01:53, 8/18/2018 ​

thanks, I didnt think of that, Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Re-up, this is the best I can do with the white, and the best for the tail, tell me to re try if if you need, I can try, but I dont want to mess it up. thanks for the suggestions, they realy work! Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Dull down the green/blue in the shading a little? It's looking neon right now. Remove some of the light that's on his face, it's making him almost look a different shade of color. I'm not really seeing much color in his eyes, can you define it?

13:46, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up(aigain), Im as good as asleep, I stayed up till like 3 am, working on this! Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Re-up, I re-did it, all of it, I think it is better now. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

this is looking excellent so far. please add some shading to the hind paw and it's leaking away from the lineart on the chest --> that side. 21:24, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

This looks great! I think his eyes are yellow on his other images. Also, maybe extend the white to the chin underneath the mouth? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 21:58, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, And no, Im not tired of doing this, its fun, keep up the requests untel its perfect. And Ravenpaw99, my requests at around the top, it origanaly had yellow eyes, on it. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Idk why my comment got deleted but some green bled outside the eye lineart. The waste pixels in my previous comments are gone tho. ^^ Only things I'd suggest is make sure that the colour doesn't bleed out of the lineart when you blur and the black parts seem to be lacking shading on the body. 22:22, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, Please dont tell me there is waste, because there isnt, I made shure like 10 times. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Smooth out the shading, especially on the hind paw. And the shading seems to be leaking on the front paws. 23:01, 8/18/2018 ​

Its not leaking, its me failing with shading. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

What program do you use for your chararts? And do you use a mouse or a tablet? 23:41, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Could you smooth the black on the shading? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:41, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

Here's a lil guide on shading for this. I tried to match it to what you were doing already. Do your shading with a small pixel brush on a different layer above your flat colouring and gently blur it down so it doesn't bleed through. ^^ Also, there's tiny grey flecks of waste surrounding the image, but it's suuper faint so I might be nitpicky. I've circled them out for you - you should probably change the background to white for a second so you can see them better. I hope this helps !! 23:51, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

I use Photopea and I use the toutch pad on you compeutar, yup, and my brother has 2 mice, (the ones for the compeutar), and wont let me use ethir, and I use Photopea, because I was looking for a program, and I randombly found it. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Try using GIMP ^^ It's a bit easier and from what I know most people here use it along with Paint Tool Sai? The layers and the selection tool will help make things easier and help keep waste from leaking out. 02:49, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

sorry, I cant, Ive tryed, and I cant get eithir of those, so... sorry, my computar is anoying, anything else? Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Re-up, Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

This is looking better and better! There's still some [ flecks of waste] about the image and the shading shouldn't over dominate on the white paws. The shading is also a bit too dark on the back paw. Other than that this looks cute! 03:53, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if this takes longer, I just found the blanket my cat loved sleeping on befor she died. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Re-up, Yes, I know and Im sorry that took longer than 2 seconds, sorry. Im diying of laghfing from that. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Use a smaller brush to blur the shading as it appears to leak a lot on the neck. (suggested: 5 if on GIMP) The shading shouldn't recede from the linear art.

Define the shading on the head? 13:00, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, just tell me. I know its terrible. Keep coments comeing, so my art isnt this terible anymore. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Base color needs to be darker, it has to match the color of his other images. 20:54, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

You're doing better I promise! It takes time. There's a bunch of waste surrounding the image and the lineart has been blurred due to the highlights/shading leaking over into it. 21:22, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

In this image, he looks more like a gray cat than a black cat. Darken the fur quite a bit (not the white parts, just the black).  HA WK FI RE98  15:10, August 20, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, I am sorry about that... whatever it was. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

This looks great so far! Add some lighting to the paws? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:42, August 20, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, done. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

I think there's some waste on the head. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 16:41, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

Im pretty sure that there isnt, at least I cant see it. Owlbite 18:34, August 21, 2018 (UTC)Owlbite

There's a little bit of waste closest to --> ear. I can see it if I tip my laptop screen.

Wow, I can bearaly see it, Im on my tablet, but Ill fix it when I get home. Owlbite 21:30, August 21, 2018 (UTC)Owlbite Re-up, Fixed. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

I suggest you to lower the opacity of the shading overall. It's still leaking on the neck and back foot, meaning that the shading is receding away from the linear art when it's not supposed to. You're improving a lot on this image, though!

I will do this, but what do you mean by "leaking"? Owl[https://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Owlbite bite, Im Owlbite okay? Good] *Me talking about cats*

Re-up, done. Owl[https://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Owlbite bite, Im Owlbite okay? Good] *Me talking about cats*

Leaking is a term we use to describe when something, usually the shading layer, is absent from an area. Usually this happens when an artist blurs too much near the lineart, so the shading layer ebbs away from that area. Your shading is supposed to meet the lineart, so it's best to blur away from the lineart. But that can be difficult with smaller blanks, such as the kit blank. It's a common mistake everyone makes.

Leaking can also be used to describe waste outside the charart, but the former option is more common. 16:28, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, I killed some waste to. Owl[https://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Owlbite bite, Im Owlbite okay? Good] *Me talking about cats*

There' still some leaking shading here in red. See how it's paler near the lineart? The shading is ebbing away from the lineart. That's what we call "leaking". 02:39, August 24, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, wow... just, wow. I had the shading layer, and I made it so you cant see it, than saved it, so you couldnt see the shading layer, wow. Owl[https://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/User:Owlbite bite, Im Owlbite okay? Good] *Me talking about cats*

I cant work today, I only have my tablet, and I had to go to my grand parents house for my brother's birthday, sorry. Owlbite 19:07, August 26, 2018 (UTC)Owlbite

There's still some waste surrounding the image. The lineart is also blurred and mixed in between the shading and it should be clean and crisp. Other than that can you lighten the shading on the white and blur it more? 00:33, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, there is now no waste, it is just your eyes! Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 17:54, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

There isn't anymore. There's a bunch of weird black purple colouring on the left of his arm/chest and the shading still seems very blotchy and uncoordinated. Try to follow a light source and make sure to blend the shading so it's smooth and not turning too black on his white parts. 02:12, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Time for a re-do. Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 16:25, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, Im prowd of myself, and I never thought I would say that. (I just love this wall of comments, but its hard to get to the bottem) Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 17:08, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

There's some waste in the red, and some sharp flecks in the blue here you go. 02:39, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Re--up, I checked, and there isnt any waste on the head, may have been your eyes, happenes alot, Ive lost count. Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 19:22, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

There is, it's not "just our eyes". It's in the pink - it might be faded lineart but it's there and it's a different shade than the lineart. Also there's some faded lineart in the circled blue and shading is leaking in the green circle. There's also green leaking from the eyes and a bunch of blue/purple pixels in the face. There doesn't seem to be any shading in the black part of his fur anymore, and if there is, it's super faint. The entire head looks super pixely. 20:47, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Im trying to go off of this for shading, its on the apprentice tutorials pageOwlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 02:13, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, I didnt see that was waste because I saw it on a other kit image, sorry. Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 06:38, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

More waste here. The eye colours are also leaking out of the lineart and the blue and purple pixels are still there here. Define the shading on the black part of his pelt, smooth out the shading on the white and smooth out the highlights. 06:00, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, 32nd time, yay, so Ive done this 33 times! Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 01:48, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Define the light on the paws and brighten the chest white, as it looks gray. 13:49, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Re-up, sorry it took me forever to say "re-up," my internet died at the moment I got it up, and now its my 34th time, yay! Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 17:11, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

I think you could define/expand the light on the paws again - it hasn't changed very much, and they appear gray. 14:17, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

Flower Foot (Hunter) - For Evaluation
eh this is bad &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:HanayoForever/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 18:39, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

the lineart should be black, but its not bad Warriorct (talk) 22:40, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

There's waste all over the image. The shading is leaking everywhere and maybe smooth out the ear shading. This is good for your first image! Keep it up! As said above, the lineart should be black. Maybe try putting all the layers underneath the lineart. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 21:16, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

This is really good! The lineart needs to be places over this and there's waste surrounding the image. Fix the shading a bit and make it so its consistent to its placement. Other than that this pattern looks gorgeous!! 21:26, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

also, the back needs a dorsal stripe, but you are doing good keep trying, sorry for bad english Warriorct (talk) 22:40, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

define the shading as well, also, I believe the stripes taper a bit, and are smudged, rather than blurred. check the other images if you need a reference. 22:16, 8/25/2018 ​ 22:16, 8/25/2018 ​

The ear pink looks too big and it's only supposed to be on one ear (facing us).  HA WK FI RE98  22:58, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded; added dorsal stripe, (think) erased the waste, blacked the lineart and made the earpink smaller and only on one ear. I kinda started from scratch tho and i forgot to define the shading more oops &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:HanayoForever/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 14:18, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

The dorsal stripe is leaking at the top, and you do need to define the shading more. 18:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Alright, so. The base color for this should be #D5C39E, the stripes are #B98C51, the ear pink is #A08784, the nose is #544747, and I have my shading as a brownish coloring. Shading color isn't required to match, so I won't bother you with that, but I can at least give you the base colors so you know exactly what they should be. I also smudged the stripes with a size one pixel brush. ​​​​​​

I'm using paint.net and i have no idea how to smudge ;-; &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:HanayoForever/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 20:49, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

Try looking at the Apprentice Tutorials, it should probably say how smudge on there, or if it doesn't, try looking it up. Warriorct (talk) 23:35, August 26, 2018 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. changed the colors, smudged the stripes, defined the shading (i think its a bit too much) I also tried a new style for the stripes. &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:HanayoForever/Sig&#125;&#125; (talk) 01:46, August 27, 2018 (UTC)'''

I like this new stripe style! Would you mind softening (blurring) the stripes a bit, like her other images?  HA WK FI RE98  02:15, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

They aren't blurred, as I said above. They're smudged. ​​​​​​

oh oops gotta revert and smudge it. '''Re-uploaded. hewo i luv an idol and her name is hanayo koizumi. (klat) 02:52, August 27, 2018 (UTC)'''

Define the facial and leg shading? Ravenpaw99 (talk) 02:54, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

yeah.. the face looks real empty so ill define that and the leg as well hewo i luv an idol and her name is hanayo koizumi. (klat) 03:19, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Re-uploaded hewo i luv an idol and her name is hanayo koizumi. (klat) 12:36, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading. Great job on this so far!

21:10, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded, less shading on haunches bc it just wont look right, smoothed the shading but the front haunches didn't look good and so i thicked it but it still aint look good. i also made some adjustments to the eyes. hewo i luv an idol and her name is hanayo koizumi. (klat) 22:31, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

The shading needs a bit more smoothing, it looks very out of place and blocky rn. I love the stripes on this though! 00:34, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded <font style title="ラブ"> ✧ <font style title="sukuru"><span style title="~dareka"><font color="#FF6EAB" face="Segoe Script" >Ka <span style title="tasukete~"><font color="#FF519A" face="Segoe Script" >yo <font style title="ライブ"> ✧ 02:02, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

Define the lighting on the tail and define the facial shading? This is looking great! Ravenpaw99 (talk) 02:05, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

The head stripes do not match. There needs to be a "M" on the forehead (do what you can), and the cheek stripes do not converge at the eye. See the kit and warrior images for reference. Also, there is waste where the tail meets the back. 17:01, August 28, 2018 (UTC)

Stripes should be more smudged to give a rougher feel, to match the other images in the set. 00:45, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded sorry for kinda long wait. either the tail shadow aint listening or the light isnt. <font style title="ラブ"> ✧ <font style title="sukuru"><span style title="~dareka"><font color="#FF6EAB" face="Segoe Script" >Ka <span style title="tasukete~"><font color="#FF519A" face="Segoe Script" >yo <font style title="ライブ"> ✧ 02:49, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs and paws.

14:15, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Could you lighten the shading just a little bit? Or possibly decrease the shading? This looks a fair bit darker than it should be, but I think lightening the shading should fix the issue. ​​​​​​

i feel like i made it worse. re-uploaded <font style title="ラブ"> ✧ <font style title="sukuru"><span style title="~dareka"><font color="#FF6EAB" face="Segoe Script" >Ka <span style title="tasukete~"><font color="#FF519A" face="Segoe Script" >yo <font style title="ライブ"> ✧ 16:10, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

I love the smudging on the stripes! Can you lighten the neck shading a bit? It might be my screen but it looks super dark in contrast to the rest of the shading. 06:02, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

re-uploaded <font style title="ラブ"> ✧ <font style title="sukuru"><span style title="~dareka"><font color="#FF6EAB" face="Segoe Script" >Ka <span style title="tasukete~"><font color="#FF519A" face="Segoe Script" >yo <font style title="ライブ"> ✧ 14:17, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps define the light source? For now it seems like there's light from both sides but not the top either. A trick is to stick shading onto one side of each edge, like to the left of everything, or right, it's up to you.

Can you define the shading in the eyes? The eyes look flat, and like Bramblesnow said, define a light source since it seems very scattered. 21:29, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Still working? 01:42, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Shattered Ice (Hunter) - For Approval
tried to get it up before 12 but GIMP crashed and made me restart. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 05:23, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Define the shading? Malina457 (talk) 12:15, August 29, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Re-Ups. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 20:25, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

I realy wanted to do Shatered Ice, but I wanted to let someone else, so thanks for takeing the temtation. Can you make the black a little les blured? I like it, but I think its a little to much. <font face="Tempus Sans ITC">Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 21:26, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

can you define the shading more? right now I'm having a bit of a hard time telling what's shading and what's the pattern 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:36, 8/29/2018 ​

Re-Ups, there isn't black on him, Owlbite. That's the shading and I didn't even blur it in the first place. It was smudged, I think the blur/smudge on it looks fine, so I'm gonna have to ask for a second opinion on that. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 08:32, August 30, 2018 (UTC)

I actually think the shading or gray along the back (can't tell what that is) needs to be smoothed out/fixed. I'm seeing a really weird block-y like blob on my screen. Is your shading black or gray? ​​​​​​

Its a navy blue. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 21:51, August 30, 2018 (UTC)

There's some waste on the tip of the tail and back of the head. I think the shading is fine, but maybe make it darker or make it stand out more. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 00:35, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

define the shading around the legs? <font style title="ラブ"> ✧ <font style title="sukuru"><span style title="~dareka"><font color="#FF6EAB" face="Segoe Script" >Ka <span style title="tasukete~"><font color="#FF519A" face="Segoe Script" >yo <font style title="ライブ"> ✧ 02:56, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Ravenpaw, I can't make it darker. Its on 100% now. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 10:52, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

I honestly love this so much. I think the shading looks wonderful, but maybe just smooth out the shading on the back two hind feet? It looks a little blotchy.  HA WK FI RE98  12:53, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Re-Ups, Thank you, Hawkfire! I'm rather proud of this one. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 13:53, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading and there's waste on back hind leg. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 15:00, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Re-Ups, Smooth it where? If its the back shading I wanna ask for a second comment to that as its been smoothed a lot. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 15:29, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Ravenpaw; the back shading could use a bit more smoothing out. I'm still seeing the blocky shading I did before you reuploaded. ​​​

Where at on the back shading is the blotchiness? Could I possibly get a redline where your seeing it. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 18:33, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Becuase I'm not seeing very many blotchy spots on the shading its this <-- thats a screenshot of just the base and the shading. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 18:46, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, that definitely could use some smoothing out, because the way you have it smudged leaves blocks of shading, instead of having it as a gradient. ​​​

I think there should be shading on the belly area too. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:20, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

No, there shouldn't that would mess up my light source. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 14:15, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the previous user about the belly shading. unless it's coming from the bottom there should be some shading on the belly

Re-Ups there are others using this shading type that don't have belly shading. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 20:17, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

As Reedtail's hunter image doesn't have belly shading, so I think its fine. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 20:23, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

The ear furthest from us needs to be white. And I don't know if it's just my eyes, but I'm having a very difficult time distinguishing between the shading and gray patches (mostly on the flank). Maybe it's because of how smooth the gray patches are idk. Try sharpening the patches (they seem a bit more "firm" on the other images either way) and maybe adding some shading depth? 01:50, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Nettle (DTC) (Hunter) ~ For Approval
I tried, and have failed XD Malina457 (talk) 22:42, August 29, 2018 (UTC)Malina

You didn't fail! Smooth out the shading a lot!  HA WK FI RE98  23:14, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

Expand the shading on the back hind legs? This is great! Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:32, August 29, 2018 (UTC)

maybe lighten the shading by a bit 23:34, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:34, 8/29/2018 ​ 23:34, 8/29/2018 ​

reups Malina457 (talk) 00:39, August 30, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Define the texture a tad? 02:01, August 30, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 02:15, August 30, 2018 (UTC)Malina

define the depth of the shading, and define the actual shading on the forelegs. 00:53, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 03:20, September 2, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Darken the tail shading to match the depth of the flank's shading, and smooth out the flank shading a bit. I really love the style of your shading!  HA WK FI RE98  01:38, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

Shading darkness is not required to match throughout the entire image, so I think it's good as-is. ​​​

reups my personal image took me 2 hours without shading, oof Malina457 (talk) 04:15, September 3, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Smooth out the back shading just a bit. 00:19, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 00:29, September 4, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Define the texture under the shading a little bit? Good job! 00:45, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

There's some waste above the back, the lower section of it. 02:47, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 21:21, September 5, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Smooth the shading in the ear a little?

01:05, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

reups Malina457 (talk) 01:41, September 7, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Nightcloud (KP) ~ For Approval
Comments? 03:08, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

define the shading, and the depth to it. 09:50, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 16:17, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Weaselfur (Alt W) - For Approval
This guy is a douchebag lol <span style="">21:36 Tue Sep 4

Remove the stripes. He was only called gray-and-white; I just figured they were mixing him up with Gorsetail. ​​

Reuploaded <span style="">22:53 Thu Sep 6

The patches look kind of uneven and fuzzy. Can you smooth them out?  HA WK FI RE98  00:42, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Lionblaze (Alt W) ~ For Approval
I tried, and have failed, probably. In manga for Crowfeather's Trial he is shown as a white cat. — <span style="border: Для профайла.jpg; background: #581f2e; border: 3px solid #210109; border-radius: 24px; color: #764445">  'kovu  'talk  10:48, September 5, 2018 (UTC).

This needs to be reserved on the reservation table ^^ 14:43, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

^the shading needs define as well. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 16:53, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

I added the table, thank you. Minkclaw, I mean the shading needs define as well? What I have to do? — <span style="border: Для профайла.jpg; background: #581f2e; border: 3px solid #210109; border-radius: 24px; color: #764445">  'kovu  'talk  03:58, September 6, 2018 (UTC).

The shading needs defined/darkened a little, as well as smoothed. So to smooth it use your blur/smudge tool for that. If you need any help with those, I'm sure another user could explain better than what I have or you can see the apprentice tutorials. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 04:08, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

You need to add the date on the reservation table. And "defined" means to make it more visible. So just darken the shading just a tad. ^^ 13:15, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

I just read the manga, and I don't think the author was portraying him as white. He is a lighter gold color, and the manga was in grayscale. If it was in color I'd bet he would be golden like normal.  HA WK FI RE98  00:41, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

He looks white, though. It's not pale...especially when compared to other cats next to him and various other white cats. Regardless, he still gets this anyways due to him being shown without stripes. ​​

So I can make an alt charart for Crowfeather that shows him as light gray with big, arched eyebrows, so he matches how he looks in the manga?  HA WK FI RE98  03:08, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think Crowfeather's would count. This one would, though, due to the stripes and clear shade - while the other is kinda subjective. For this image though, define the light on the < front paw. 02:09, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Ashfoot (Unknown) ~ For Approval
I'll probably alter the eyes later. 07:57, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

This is gorgeous. Can you lighten the eyes a bit?  HA WK FI RE98  15:23, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

Hawk, there's no reason to comment on the eyes. They did state that they were going to alter them later. Also define the shading a tad. <span style="color:#B40431; text-shadow: 2px 2px 1px #569B5B; font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:18px;">Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 17:22, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

Given this color I think any more defining and it's going to look dark and weird. Imo the shading looks fine as it is.

I apologize, I didn't read David's caption, just looked at the picture.  HA WK FI RE98  00:39, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

reuploaded is there anywhere specific that needs to be define or just all of it? 07:03, September 7, 2018 (UTC)

Featherwhisker (Alt MC) - For Approval
He was called gray in Moth Flight's Vision. Sorry if that doesn't count. Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 00:56, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Where I he called gray? I don't remember this, also, wouldn't this be a partial, or does a silver cat get an alt for being called gray? Malina457 (talk) 01:47, September 8, 2018 (UTC)Malina

don't think so, he's called 'silvery-gray,' which is still gray, just mixed in with silver. sorry, but i don't think he gets one for this 01:59, 9/08/2018 ​ 01:59, 9/08/2018 ​

He's called gray on page 53 of ''Moth Flight's Vision. ''It's on the mistakes page, and I even checked in my own copy of MFV. Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 11:45, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

It's a partial and doesn't count towards a charart... it's just shorthand instead of always typing silvery-gray/silver-gray, and doesn't follow the same ruling as silver (since he's not a tabby). I'm going to decline this based on that.