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Mistfeather's mate
(Spoilers for Hawkwing's Journey and The Apprentice's Quest)

Mistfeather mentions how his mate died during the battle when the rogues took the gorge in The Apprentice's Quest. In Hawkwing's Journey, Stormheart is the only she-cat that died in the battle. I know you might say that one of the missing she-cat's could have died in it too, but the only missing she-cat is Frecklewish, and she is a medicine cat so... can we say that Stormheart is Mistfeather's mate? We'd definitely put it as a note or a longer cite so it's explained thoroughly.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:48, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

I've always imagined Stormheart to be his mate, and I agree with you on this, Stealth. We should just say she is his mate.Broken_Foot

You want to assume? No name, no cite. It's an assumption to say his mate was Stormheart. If it wasn't mentioned, then we do not add it.

Nah, I don't think we could add it. It's one of those cases like how we know every cat was once a kit, because no cat just randomly appears as an adult, but we don't give them a cite for it. Similarly, while I personally think Stormheart is his mate, we can't add it due to our assumption rules.

Plus, I'm going to add that it's very possible Mistfeather's mate was forgotten. Look at when Vicky forgot Flamenose in Goosefeather's Curse, and there are many other examples throughout the series. Unless something explicitly names Stormheart as Mistfeather's mate (and need a add that they didn't even interact), it brings down the credibility of the wiki if we start adding assumptions based on very little canonical evidence.

I do think it is an assumption to say that Stormheart was Mistfeather's mate, but I still think it would be nice to include in the trivia that it is likely that she was his mate since no other she-cat we know died in the battle. 00:54 Fri Apr 7

Yes I like that idea of putting it in trivia, but not being official. I would also suggest putting a note with the trivia so users won't think that it is good enough cite and add Stormheart as a mate. What does everyone else think?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:50, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Eh, I don't really like the idea of having it in trivia, because then we would have to add it in for other instances like that.

i dont agree with it being added as trivia or a listing. as said she could've been forgotten and there's just no proof for it. someone will likely ask and it'll be answered or mentioned in a future book anyway. 08:12, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Anymore comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  07:07, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, I think without a clear name, it's an assumption. Assumptions have no place in the articles, and therefore, I think it should be left alone. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:51, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

"Hunters"
Alright, so I got the allegiances for Thunderstar's Echo in front of me, and the cats who aren't kits, apprentices, deputies, medicine cats, or leaders are called "Hunters". Should we add them as Hunters instead of Early Settlers, or both...?

Early Settlers aren't really a term used in the books so Hunters sounds like a more accurate name.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  10:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Anymore opinions? I agree with Stealth.

...it's literally been less than a day, and I'm pretty sure leads should be the only ones asking for more opinions on a discussion in any case. Regardless, I say add as just a Hunter, and then keep the ES listing if they have it from MFV. We didn't see some of these cats listed as Hunters in MFV, which shows that the Clans have further developed since then. I guess it'll be up to PCA whether these hunters get the warrior blank or the ES one.

Well, yeah, but there have been other discussions going on. It doesn't hurt to ask. `

Jaysnow, do not act like a lead in this case. Let the leads handle the "any more opinions" stuff. 19:31, 4/11/2017

Alright then. My apologies.

hunter sounds fine as a name listing to me, tbh. they're not quite warriors yet. 21:36, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Ok so I'm just gonna bring this up. I don't know the actual page number, as I have not actually read TE yet, but Skye just showed me this quote: "his foster daughter - moth flight's youngest kit - had grown up to be a fine young ThunderClan warrior". Warrior. That means that they are considered warriors. When I read TE, I'll provide the page number, but until then, I'll leave it up to Skye. 03:33, 4/12/2017

Alright, I found the page. It's 229 of the legends of the clans book, chapter 1 of the novella. So what do we do with this new bit of info now? 16:51, 4/12/2017

I still stand by listing them as hunters, for the allegiances sake at least. They are listed as Hunters, so...if anything, perhaps we could list as both? For example, we list "Tunnelers" from TR as both warriors and Tunnelers, so perhaps we can list them as warriors and hunters. But they definitely need to be listed as hunters, if anything.

I have another citation; warning spoilers for those who haven't read TE, but it says on page 288 and chapter 7: "But how could he look after tiny, helpless kits properly when he hadn't managed to protect his best friend, a powerful warrior?" <span style="">18:06, 4/12/2017

I'm for the listing of both, but only if said cat was called a warrior too, as in not every cat gets the warrior listing. (mostly because there isn't proof of that). otherwise fine with just having hunter listed. 06:40, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

you know what I changed my mind. if it's agreed, then anyone listed as a hunter should get the other too if that happens. 20:01, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

We should use the warrior blanks for them, since the Clan ways seemed to have been developed already <span style="">03:16, 4/15/2017

I agree with Broken. think we should use the warrior blanks. Also, Winter's cite says "Warrior", and that's probably not a mistake because they already have apprentices and deputies and things like that. 20:19, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

I just saw the allegiances it says Warriors (hunters), that seems like they are warriors, but I haven't read the book so no idea XD<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:49, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

Darktail's Kin
so shattered sky spoilers here

With the listing of Darktail's Kin (referred to as the Kin in the book) would this warrant a page? or should it simply be listed as a subcategory in the Darktail's Group page, similar to Slash's Group? 01:41, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I think that is more a World discussion, unless I'm wrong. I think it's the new name for Darktail's Group, or it was called that the entire time. Darktail's Group should be renamed.

Speaking of, we currently have Darktail's group as ShadowClan cats/rogues, but I think they should change to Darktail's Kin. I haven't read the book, but the allegiances show that ShadowClan currently is residing in ThunderClan, (Rowanstar, Tigerheart and Tawnypelt), who's left behind is Darktail's Kin. I think we should change it to as the allegiances say.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  10:27, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

they did still call themselves ShadoqClan in Thunder and Shadow, though, so that should probably stay and we can just add on thw Kin group.

I dunno, I put it here here because it's also an allegiance issue thing too I guess. move it if you want. the thing is do we know they were going by the Kin in TAQ-TAS? that's my issue here. we definitely know they were rogues though, but not if that was the name then. 19:16, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't have an issue with renaming Darktail's Group, but we could just mention somewhere that it was unnamed (to our knowledge) for some time. The book refers to all of those cats over and over as "the Kin", and so it probably should be changed.

I think it should be a sub category in Darktail's Group page. I think it should stay consistent.

another question while it's up here, if a cat is listed in the kin, do they get both a rogue listing as past and kin as current? or just the kin? this mostly applies to raven and rain I think. 19:46, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

I would think they'd get both. I mean, it's kinda like how in DTC when Skystar had a camp, but it was called 'Clear Sky's Camp', because it wasn't organized as such yet. Then, the cats got the listing for that, and additionally for SkyClan after that was named SkyClan. In this case, it could be that cats that were with what is now the Kin before it was called that simply get a rogue listing or one for 'Darktail's Group'.

They only started calling themselves the Kin after they took over ShadowClan, though? We never saw that before that, so wouldn't it be an assumption to label it as part of the same group that took over SkyClan's territory? Sure, they had some of the same cats (like Darktail himself), but unless they were called 'the Kin' during that time, we shouldn't combine the two, I don't think? Also, they were very much still ShadowClan after Darktail took over; that much is stated as such.

To make clear, I was replying to Skt's comment on only Rain, Raven, + (if there are some others) that were part of the original group would get the Rogue rank, Darktail's Group affie, then also get the Kin listing. They wouldn't necessarily be combined, but they'd get both. It transitions from one to the other, and cats that were around during the transition get both, just like some of the DoTC cats did when the Clans were created.

I haven't read the book but from what I can gather, they are definitely not ShadowClan. XD I think we should have them as Darktail's Kin, and Darktail's Group was a previous group. I think they should get a rank for it, (like 'Kin' or 'Darktail's Kin' or something) but they still are rogues, so they'll probably be treated similar to BloodClan. They are both groups of rogues trying to be Clans, but are not really.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:58, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

another question, you think they'd get a category similar to slash's cat, just darktail's cats or kin or smth? 21:26, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Yes I'd say so. haven't read book yet so not 100% of anything here >< <font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  03:38, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Lightningtail
it's me, your (un)favourite person. anyway, I was thinking maybe he should be renamed, since it seems similar to Gray Wing's case? was listed as such in sotc, was Lightning Tail right until his death and after, never mentioned as Lightningtail apart from that. I dunno. 03:17, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Kinda irks me that Gray Wing was renamed but not Lightning Tail.

Why would that irk you? We absolutely had 0% confirmation he died before he became Lightningtail. :/ <span style="">03:30, 4/12/2017

-shrugs- It just looks wrong because of all the Early Settlers names are spaced out and his isn't.

So? It is not changed until there is confirmation. We don't go on hunches. <span style="">16:37, 4/12/2017

I think it should be renamed, so we stay consistent. Since his current residence is StarClan, and is listed as Lightning Tail there, then that's what the page name should reflect.

Uh what more confirmation do we need? Like Skt said, he was only Lightningtail in Secrets of the Clans as opposed to all the other books he appeared in...

Again; so? We don't rename the page unless he was confirmed to have died as either Lightningtail or Lightning Tail. :/ <span style="">17:53, 4/12/2017

Oh, shoot. Forgot about that.

And he died as Lightning Tail, so rename the page.

Wahhh Lightning Tail's dead :'( Unless he appears in StarClan as Lightningtail (like Mothflight), then we should name his page Lightning Tail.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  02:00, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the comments stating Lightning Tail. Plus, Secrets of the Clans is pretty irrelevant at this point (though that's my personal opinion, do not get up in arms :P ).. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:53, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Lightning Stripe - Silver Nomination
If y'all expected me not to take this, I'd be surprised. Precious little one.

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Vote's up!<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:54, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

Max (Ro) - Silver Nomination
Interesting cat. He doesn't really have any other quotes, aside from his and the kittypets' exchange with Darktail that I'm not totally sure how to incorporate into his quotes section.. there's too many other quotes said within that to really do much of anything with it. If someone else has any ideas, go for it.

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Vote's up!<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:54, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

Shanty ~ Silver Nomination
I liked her.

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Crystal ~ Silver Nomination
Ik the main quote is a piece of that one dialogue I included, but I felt that as her best quote, but I wanted to keep the dialogue too.

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Ferris ~ Silver Nomination
ferris wheels :P

Comments before vote?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:44, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Rushtooth ~ Silver Nomination
I couldn't find anything quote worthy. 02:02, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Comments before the vote?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  03:40, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

the kittypet
...why does that guy even get an article? don't we have a minor characters article for a reason? he's not major in any way, and yes I'm aware cats like the old she-cat and the stranger exist. I'm of the opinion those shouldn't either. 19:50, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

so then neither should Leafstar's mom, and Petal/Fox's mother, by that logic?

I always thought the minor characters page was for cats who lacked proper history +/ a name. These characters seem to have a decent bit of history, at least, and a description so I think they should be kept. Especially Leafstar's Mother, though, since she appears in three different books....

This is why I started to delete the page. This character should not get a page, and tbh neither should The Stranger or The Old she-cat. They are not major characters. They may have descriptions, but so do some of the characters on the minor character pages. I only think these unnamed characters should only get pages if they have linked family, for example Leafstar's mother and Petal/Fox's mother, and Featherkit (before he was named). I'm gonna have to agree with skt <span style="">20:02, 4/17/2017

And you had no right to, Winter. =\ Not without a discussion. The kittypet, along with some of the other unnamed cats, actually do something and aren't just random....like half our allegiance-only cats.

like I said via skype I can't agree with him getting an article when some of those minor characters have about as much relevance as he does. 20:09, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

But technically some of the other minor characters that get mentioned with descriptions and no name do something too? They're either patrolling, some help the warriors, or some are fighting. We don't give every single unnamed character a page. <span style="">20:10, 4/17/2017

I definitely don't think we should get rid of pages for cats who are important and are related to another character, like Leafstar's Mother or Petal and Fox's mother. I also think we should also have pages for cats who have a description, a little bit of a history, and important dialogue. If they contribute to the plot and aren't a cat who's mentioned in only one or two lines, they should get a page, but regardless, if we're not going to have The Kittypet as a page, we shouldn't have the Old She-cat or The Stranger one either. 20:41, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I swear I added this character to the minor characters page. Well, he is only there for a couple of lines. The Old She-cat and The Stranger however, are more than just a few lines, and have more personality. They should stay, but not the kittypet.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  21:34, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of pages, Darrel, Barley and Nightwhisper has mothers (and Nightwhisper has siblings, and Darrel has father and sister) that are in the minor characters pages. If we are doing pages for family relations, won't they get a page?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  21:55, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with Nightwhisper and them's parents/siblings getting a page. It's a different case, tbh. Cats like Leafstar's Mother actually do have an impact in the books, and even Petal/Fox's mother is mentioned a liberal amount. These other unnamed family members, unless significant, should stay on the minor characters page imo.

Yeah, just to clarify my own comment, cats like Nightwhisper and Barley's parents are some of the one-line characters that I said shouldn't have a page. I meant that only family relationships that are somewhat important and in which the character is described with some amount of detail or is seen, like Leafstar's Mother or Petal/Fox's Mother. 23:39, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

The kittypet sort of had a purpose and actually interacted with a cat in the story, so I think he should stay. I'm not sure about the others too, but if we have one for some of the mothers and such that still had something to do with the story, and interacted in some way, then we should keep it all. :) 05:22, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see how just getting beat up is really that important? you could say the same od a dozen minor characters. 05:50, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I personally think that characters without a major impact on the books should have a page, anyway. Regardless of how significant they are, we never know if they'll show up again and then the whole page will have to be written again. I think that we're better safe than sorry in keeping the pages of not just this character, but others. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:57, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

then by that we'd have to give like.....any cat that hasn't faded an article. it's too much for such minor characters. 16:14, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

SkyClan's Ancestors
Alright, so since they're reunited with normal StarClan now, should we just list them all as StarClan, and have SkyClan ancestors be a past affiliation?

I wouldn't say have SkyClan ancestors be a past affie, because SkyClan ancestors and StarClan are pretty much the same thing.

No, it should be a past affiliation. SkyClan Ancestors were distinctively separate from StarClan for some time. 05:30, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

Agreeing with Winterpaw.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  06:42, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

I find myself agreeing with keeping it as a past affiliation. They were separate. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:58, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

They should definitely be seperate. They were like the two rival Clans of the skies, minus the rival part. 21:46, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Batear ~ Silver Nomination
I'm hoping to do his charart image if we can get our computer set up in time. Thanks to David for writing the history and helping out, and a few others. :) (This is my first nomination) 06:54, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Fenneldust ~ Silver Nomination
Once again, thanks to David and others for their help. 07:12, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Houndleap ~ Silver Nomination
Thanks to Water, .Trollsky, Spooky and Snowed. This is my first nomination and I have no idea what I'm doing or if this is right. 17:03, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

The article's history isn't finished. When Spottedpaw returns with the bracken, she has a conversation with him and treats his wound. Pretty sure he's mentioned a little after that in her talk with Thistleclaw, too. And, I do believe he'd have at least one suitable quote from that

Fixed I think I got it. I'll get to the quote later, though. 18:17, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Fixed Sorry for the delay on the quote. Hopefully this one's good enough. 21:34, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Vickys Facebook and Sus characters
Alright guys, im sorry about this. But everything that we have put on for the missing kits has to go, as they are proven to be fan characters and not canon seen here. Vicky is the actual author for these books, and while su has done everything that she could for us about these missing kits, Vicky proves that these characters are not canon, and therefore should not exist on this wiki. :( <span style="">22:23, 4/24/2017

I won't disagree, but I wil say that if we remove everything we added from Su's cites we would be waisting months of time, not only missing kits but all the descriptions, residences, and family relationships revealed outside of the project would have to be removes as well. I just don't like the fact we wasted a lot of time, not only having a discussion that took several months, but also adding all these things. 22:45, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

didn't she say su was checking these with her or something similar? is this just being ignored now? (not being hostile or anything just???) 22:47, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Skt, that was said. Vicky just took it back now I guess... 22:48, April 24, 2017 (UTC)