Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Time limit on Tweak Nominations
I've noticed how some tweak/redo nominations will stay up for a week (or more) without getting their three yay or nay votes. That's really not fair to the nominator having to wait that long for their nomination to be approved - especially when it's missing like one vote. I think that maybe after a certain time period, say 3 days, whichever vote at the time has a majority should be the automatic decision. So it would go on the list if the majority were yay votes. And if they're tied I guess it could just default either way, so long as all tied nominations would default the same way. It'll just keep those nominations from sitting there and the nominator from having to wait so long to know whether they can work on it or not. Breeze whisker  04:54, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think this might work. It would stop nominations from sitting there. 06:37, 17, 05, 2012

I agree with this...but the only question is for those that tie. I'd say look at the comments, if any, and that could determine if, but, for now, I think that they should just be approved and be done with it, or, if they really want the image to be redone, they can re-nominate it.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 09:23, 06, 06, 2012

I believe that is fair enough. For if they tie, I say we just wait 24 more hours, then archive it/decline it. 20:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should just decline the nomination when it's defalt, and they could just renominate it necessary. 06:01, 12, 06, 2012

I agree with the declining it automatically, but how long should the wait be before the votes are tallied? Breeze whisker  15:20, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking two or three days, but it could be more or less. Breeze whisker  15:21, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think 3 days/72hrs is good enough as a time. 05:51, 15, 06, 2012

Alright, that doesn't seem too long, so I agree. 19:03, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 17:09, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is everyone happy with 3 days? 00:54, 24, 06, 2012

I am, but should we put up a vote just in case for the other project members? 14:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

We Have an Issue
So, as some people have seen in the approved tweak nomination archive, the page has exceeded the template limit. What this means is: the page has too many s, s, s and signature templates, and thus the templates are showing up as redlinks. So we need another way to archive tweak nominations without using one page. We could just use more than one page, but should it be a forum or just a regular page? Since the archive isn't really being discussed on, it probably shouldn't be a forum, but that's just my opinion. 23:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but it takes my computer about a year to load that page simply because there's so much on it. 23:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I say to use a subpage when we started this whole ordeal? I think we should just move the entire thing to a subpage for PCA and be done with it.

I'm no coding expert (never have been, never will be), but maybe instead of using the yay and nay templates, just go:


 * Yes/No. Reason why or why note if needed/wanted. ~.

I'd rather not use a second/multiple pages because of the space it could build up to. Or we could just keep a record of who/which chararts were redone, how many times, for what reasons with dates. I dunno, Scarlet's having a slow day 23:09, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Scarlet on the yes/no rather than the vote yay and nay templates. That way, the number of templates on the page will go down. 01:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

But there's still the issue of long loading times. The PCA images page (a page with every single approved image) was deleted because of this problem. 01:07, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you decide to do, I think it would be nice get rid of those, not sure what they're call, drop down menus(?), also. They tend to make my computer stop responding while it tries to open one, even the current, and therefore smallest, one. I'm not sure what else would work, though. ^^; Breeze  whisker  01:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then maybe we should use subpages, and possibly have a limit to how many drop-menus are on a page. 01:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages was my opinion in the first place, so I still agree with that. Maybe 3-5 drop down archives per page, since we're up to the sixth archive now. (I don't have much problems these days o3o) I think the only thing with that Breezy is that we'd have to make an archive for each drop down. I'd personaly like to keep the voteyay and nay voting (probably because I've gotten used to it) but if it saves a lot heap of trouble, then I'm fine with just doing what Scarlet mentioned above. :) 01:49, 11, 06, 2012

I'm all for subpages, the current archive takes forever to load, and the yes/no thing would get confusing, let's just make some subpages and be done with it. 23:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages sound pretty good to me, and as for dropboxes - a limit of about 5 is good. The templates gave up after the 5th dropdown. And since most people are used to the voteyay/votenay voting, this wouldn't make them need to suddenly change what they're using. However, if we come to a conclusion on it, the yes/no thing would work as well. 06:15, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tweak Nominations: I am going to sound like a total idiot...
Alright, as you all know, right now I am the sole overseer of the Tweak Nominations page, and I'm supposed to nominate someone to help me. This is going to sound so horrible, I know, but I haven't been active enough to know who would be the right person for the job to help me. There are so many new people, and it's hard for me to keep track, and I don't even know who would want the position. I know this is unorthodox, but members that are eligible and would like this position, let me know and I'll make my decision. This way, it'll be a lot easier to pick the right person who is interested. Thanks, and again, please don't brick me for not just picking someone XD  15:15, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

We respect your desicion Ibly, not everyone can do their jobs. :) I could probably do this, but if the featured charart vote passes, since I'm one of the users in charge of that, I'll strike my interest for fairness. :) 06:29, 15, 06, 2012

I'm interested owo I can do this but it's your choice. 06:38 Fri Jun 15

Don't want to sound too greedy or something, but I would like to try this out. '^^  20:06, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm the new SW, but if I am allowed, I too would like to try this out. 20:24, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Man, now I'm not sure who I should choose...you'd all be good choices  15:31, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Planned and Hosted Join.me Events
Kay so I was talking it over with some others and we were thinking about creating planned join.me events. These will be events on join me to help multiple people on broad topics. I have created a table system and some guidelines to plan the events.


 * Only four events on the table at once. Only mentors are allowed to host join.me events. More than one of the same event can be hosted as sometimes people might not be able to attend the event. All times on the table must be in the wiki clock time. Please plan your event less than a week before it occurs in order to not take up space on the table but sooner than the day before so that people are a where that the event is occurring.
 * Anyone who wishes to participate in the event must ask for a link to the host's join.me via chat personal message and they must use their wiki username at their viewer name on join.me. To change your name, click participants button and click on the orange name, then change Viewer(whatever number you are) to your username. Proper conduct must be held during the event and viewers may only come on with the intention to learn. Hosts have the right to refuse to give a link to their join.me and to kick people out of the event. If something comes up, hosts have the right to terminate the event as it is taking place. To download join.me click here.

Thoughts? Suggestions? 21:18 Sat Jun 23

I like this. It sounds both fun and educational. I think there should be a way to approve sessions, though. Otherwise you might end up with shading tutorials like every week. XP Breeze  whisker  21:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Mounty! This is an amazing idea! 8DDDD I agree with this; it could prove very useful. 21:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you 8D I kinda thought about that, maybe a checklist that has various subjects list this?

Shading
 * tabby
 * tortoiseshell
 * cream
 * white
 * black

There would be other headings for other topics but that's an example. It could be refreshed say every month or so? 21:51 Sat Jun 23

Mounty, this is awesome! My apprentices and I do this from time to time, but I love how this is all planned out. <3 21:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Looks epic to me. And y'all know which style I'll help out with. Black cats are epic. <3

I could help out with tortoiseshell? 01:17, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Epic idea Mounty! 8DDD Just a suggestion, dunno if it's necessary (could be optional) but maybe on a users user-subpage, they could explain in detail approximately what they are going to show to everyone. Eg. say someone had the topic of "Shading tricks", they could include tweaking shading that is overblurred, needs to be blurred etc, secondary shading, shading styles and so on. Just so users know what exactly to look for, and they could include at what time those things will be explained. And this is going by UTC time, correct? e.e

And I could actually do shading styles, or possibly tabbies. 01:29, 24, 06, 2012

This is a wonderful idea. However, I'm curious about co-hosts or having other users who will be kind of "back seat driving" such as how are we going to handle that. As for the checklist, I think it should be open all the time so newer users can post topics they want to see. 01:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes it's UTC time. There's kinda that type of thing on the tutorials. And I guess people who want to help out the host can if they want to. It's really up to whoever is hosting it if they want someone to help them or not but they don't need to put them on the table. 02:22 Sun Jun 24

Love it! This can be very useful to beginners and mentors and their apprentices. I'll make sure to pop in to one of them if this works out. c:  03:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a very phenomenal idea. I have a much easier time visually showing someone something as opposed to trying to explain it. I could show them anything, I'm good with all kinds of cats. Just let me know 03:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds great! I'm willing to help out. I'm decent with most cats. ;) 14:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help with torties, solids and line tabbies. 17:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe there should be a column on the chart of what photo editing/painting program is going to be used? Also, I'd be willing to help out with classic/swirly tabbies, bi-colored cats, and tweaking tabbies. =) 17:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that is necessary to have a program column. This is for broad topics that is for all programs, that's why it's open to everyone. This is meant to help out all members, not just new ones. And you guys don't need to say what you plan on doing here before a vote has even passed -.- you can do whatever you want when you feel like it. 17:56 Sun Jun 24

Could we also show how to edit lineart and add scars? 14:46, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I had that in mind too. The sample checklist was just a few examples. That would be one of the topics. 16:02 Mon Jun 25

Could anyone edit the checklist just in case we miss a topic, and if it's not good then someone can revert it. Just a thought~. 09:24, 26, 06, 2012

Just like how anyone can add little things to the guidelines, any one can add things to the checklist, they can always be reverted. 17:06 Tue Jun 26

Can i join?
Can i join? as a kit

☮ Sorrelflower ☯&#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Sorrelflower/Sig}} 17:42, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

My siganture has no hyperlink for some reason BTW, so that's why theres two.

Of course! Take a look at our guidelines, tutorials and the mentor program. Have fun! 17:58, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Join
Hello, I would like to join Project Character Art please.

Thanks,

Fire fang  17:52, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Of course! Take a look at our guidelines, tutorials and the mentor program. Have fun! 17:59, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Golden brown vs. Ginger
Okay, a lot of you have been asking whether Thornclaw's mistaken ginger description warrants an alt. I apolizgize for cluttering the talk page if this has already been discussed, but when I googled ginger tabby...

ginger tabby

golden brown tabby

To me, there is a distinct difference. This, however, is just me, and others may have different opinions, which I am open to, but I'm just going to say that ginger is not golden brown, and in my eyes, would conclude in an alt for Thornclaw. I do think, though, that the ginger apprentices should be a much brighter ginger, like the ginger tabby I showed, so they wouldn't look so alike. 16:06, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

When were we discussing that? We had already decided before that there was enough difference. However what we were discussing is whether Thornclaw and Brackenfur's descriptions should be changed to ginger. 23:30, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh... sorry... my mistake... but since he was outright described as golden-brown, which (from those pictures) looks different than ginger, he should stay as golden brown. 23:35, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Whitewater
Okay, so I know we don't need to post a tweak nomination for changing eye colour, but I figured this needed some consensus before it just being done. I want to change Whitewater's blind eye to the other one so it's visible on her elder. Since it's her main image, her whole description should be visible on it. I just need a few people to give me the go-ahead on this and I'll change them myself. 00:15, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

I don't mind and I personally agree with you. 00:16, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Go for it~ 06:21, 28, 06, 2012

Good point, Loonie. I say go for it.

A slight clarification on tweak nominations
Okay, no offence to anybody as this is just clarifying a minor mix up ;). In the guidelines it mentions that 3 senior members come along and vote on a tweak nomination. ie:


 * User 1 votes yay
 * User 2 votes yay
 * User 3 votes nay

Some users are doing the following, where there gets to 3 votes of each:


 * User 1 votes nay
 * User 2 votes nay
 * User 3 votes yay
 * User 4 votes yay
 * User 5 votes yay

Is this just a slight mistake that users seem to be thinking, or should we change the guidelines to be that there has to be 3 votes of one side of opinions. Thoughts? ;3 06:47, 28, 06, 2012

That's what we've been doing. I see no need to change it now. Three yay/nay votes are three yay/nay votes, regardless of how many leads it takes.