Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Cliffnotes
The chapter-by-chapter notes really need to get done; luckily, there's only a few that need serious help:

Cliffnotes Secrets of the Clans

Cliffnotes Cats of the Clans

As well as any Galleries that have yet to be done. Basically, if the Gallery hasn't been created, we need to find any book covers there are (see Book Covers for uploading and naming correctly) and put it in there. Also try and look around at the existing galleries to make sure there are no covers missing. There is this site: which is the most up to date with recent book covers and such.

Alright, team. May StarClan light our paths. :) -- Bramble -san  22:35, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't been getting to the Cliffsnotes recently, I haven't gotten as much time recently. I'll try to finish Starlight soon. Insaneular | raluenasnI 01:41, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

I can work on Sunset. I did up to chapter 4 or 5. Maplefern 12:18, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Starlight is finished between us =) Sandy  wishes you a great Christmas!  16:31, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

The Cliffnotes for Dawn are all finished. I revised the chapters that were already completed and finished adding the rest of the chapters. Skyfeather  '95 23:20, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Sunset is also finished Sandy  wishes you a great Christmas! 10:57, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Dark River is now finished. Skyfeather  '95 03:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Moonrise is done, I hope you don't mind that I finished it for you, Bramble. Skyfeather  '95 19:04, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Not at all, Sky. :) I'm just glad it's done. -- Bramble -sama  19:29, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Shattered Peace is finished. I also added a few more to the list: Dawn, Bluestar's Prophecy, and Eclipse. -- Bramble -sama  20:28, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Scratch those; I must be tired. Bramble -sama  20:35, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I call Bluestar's Prophecy! Maplefern Hi!22:45, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I'll start working on Outcast, since it looks like it could use some of the most work. Skyfeather  '95 22:57, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Outcast is finished; the last few chapters got kind of long. Skyfeather  '95 04:39, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Long Shadows is now complete. I don't know if I can do too many more of these cliffnotes. ;) Skyfeather  '95 05:41, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Gah, I feel bad for not helping enough. I'll work on Firestar's Quest I suppose, since I haven't read it in a while. I also added Secrets of the Clans to the list, since it's missing a lot of stuff. Insane Batteries not Included 17:06, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

I wrote the notes for 4 of the chapters. I'd like to join. ♥AppleDapple♥ 21:44, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you. ☛ ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 22:09, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Firestar's Quest is now complete - thanks for doing those last few chapters AppleDapple (is Apple okay for short?) ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  18:49, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

I added Cats of the Clans to the list since that also needs a lot of work. However, BP is almost finished- I'll see if I can finish those last few chapters in a few days time. We're almost done. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  22:29, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

I worked a little on SotC, but it's still not near finished, i'll try to finish it soon. Also I'm getting Cats of the Clans soon so I can finish it then if nobody else wants to. <font color="#CC0000">insan <font color="#FF6600">TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  22:30, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

You should have seen it, before I started. I got up to ShadowClan Lake Camp in one day. Maplefern Hi everyone! 22:36, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

BP is done, just two more now^^. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  20:50, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Silver Articles and Cliffnotes
Now, I was wondering, seeing as since I've been on the wiki I've never really seen this project run so I don't kno how it works exactly, do we nominate the cliffnotes pages into silver status, or is it just the actual book pages which thereby include everything under the 'see also' section? (If my question makes sense) Sandy  wishes you a great Christmas! 18:53, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like a great idea Sandy. Maplefern Hi!14:36, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to basically figure out everything from scratch, because there was almost nothing from when the Project was started to when it ended that I saw anything actually being done or explained. So I'll do my best. The question makes sense, Sand. We would vote on the separate pages in the See Also section, because the book article may be all done but the cliffnotes could be not even started. Same thing with the gallery and allegiances. -- Tinsel claw  01:24, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I think we definitely need some sort of ranking system, but again there is the question of how to do it. Personally, I think all articles for one book should be grouped- because, if someone sees a gold/silver ranked book article, they'll probably be expecting it's cliffnotes and such to be good, too, right? So I think they should be ranked as a unit. (Sorry for not participating in this project much, PC is starting to get active again and always schoolwork...) <font color="#009999">Insane <font color="#FF9900">Batteries not Included  01:28, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Of course, Insane, that's fine. (Nice sig, btw) I just added a Forum:Project Books in the Project Operations forum, so we can vote on silver status, gold status and other discussions called. I'll work on breaking out a ranking system. In the meantime, I agree with you about it becoming a unit; if the article is silver, its gallery, cliffnotes, and allegiances should be silver as well. -- Tinsel claw  01:57, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

So, are we basically going to use the same nomination process as in PC, but all the pages will be grouped together? <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 23:29, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't answered. But yes, that was what I was thinking. Same nomination process, but in a group of cliffnote, gallery, book and character formats. -- Bramble -sama  17:03, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I was thinking. (You're thinking -here we go again...) I think the cliffnotes, gallery and allegiances could achives silver statud separately from the whole book article. We could have silver ranked cliffnotes etc but the whole article can only be silver when it's subpages are ALL silver... If that makes sense. We have a lot of cliffnotes (in particular) that could be silver but are being held back because nothing else is ready. I agree that the whole book article shouldn't be graded until everything is complete, but for the subpages, why not? ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  14:39, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea, Sandy. ^^ For the actual nomination/voting/etc, what kind of system would we use? Something similar to PC's system, or different? <font color="#CC0000">insan <font color="#FF6600">TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  19:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

PC's system seems to work so using something like that would be a good idea I think. ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  17:47, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, seeing as there have been no other comments, does anyone have any objections or issues with this going ahead? Cliffnotes, Galleries and Allegiances can all achieve silver separately but all three ust be silver for the book article to be so. ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  21:29, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Sight - Trivia
It says their will be a discussiona and everthing but nothing seems to be coming, what will become of this? --brambleberry 23:36, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Well, let's start a discussion, then. Go here, and let's see what we can do concerning the trivia section. -- Bramble -sama  22:13, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I started a discussion, although if it wasn't exactly what you meant, Bramble, feel free to change it. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 23:29, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Night Whispers - Information
Slight Spoiler Warning

I found out on Kate Cary's blog that she is beginning to write Night Whispers and that it will contain a point of view from a cat that is in another Clan. From the comments I read, it is suspected to be a ShadowClan cat. It is unknown if this point of view will continue on through the rest of the books or be unique to Night Whispers. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  21:45, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

That's interesting,Sky.It's also a interesting name for a book,Night Whispers.That might catch on!Anyways,we cant can't be sure if it's a Shadowclan cat,warriors tend to mislead sometimes. ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ  Have a happy Valentineღ 22 22:24, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well, personally, (I know this is slightly off topic, but) after thinking about it, I think it's highly likely to be a ShadowClan cat. Why? Because, there's no RiverClan cat who is both young enough and important enough to get a point of view... in WindClan it could possibly be Breezepelt but I think that's unlikely since they made him evil, and that leaves ShadowClan- Likely Tawnypelt's kits. Even within them, I think it's not going to be Flametail since they already have a med cat point of view (Jayfeather), so it will probably be Tigerheart, or, if making him the PoV would give too much away concerning the Dark Forest, then Dawnpelt. That's just my thoughts on it. Sorry for the forum-like talk though... <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 22:28, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree now with Insane.There was already a med. cat point of view,so it can't be Flametail .It most likely is Tigerheart of Shadowclan or Dawnpelt also of Shadowclan. ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ  Have a happy Valentineღ 22 16:45, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Link WarriorsWish is fairly reliable, so I think a ShadowClan cat will be one of the POV's. Should this be added into the article, do you think? Bramble -sama  17:07, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

In PC we trusted it as a source for questions Vicky answered, so I don't see why we shouldn't trust it here. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 17:22, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Blizz knows Vicky personally so dont see why not. ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  20:14, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Now on WarriorsWish I'm hearing that Vicky confirmed that it was Flametail. I just need to find a link or something to verify this. But, why Flametail? <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:27, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, let me change that. It seems that Vicky has confirmed that Flametail will be on the cover of Night Whispers. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:30, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why this can't go on the page. As long as spoiler tags are in place. ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  21:30, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes Formatting
I was going to put this with the other topic above, but it's getting rather long and so I thought a separate section would be okay. Basically, I wanted to clarify on how we are formatting the Cliffnotes. I get the bullet point system, but what about links - is it one link per character/other article per whole cliffnotes article (if that makes sense) with the rest of the mentions for a character being non-linked? Also, how much detail do we ideally want to go into. We're aiming for consistency, right, and with individual authors writing each cliffnotes it's not going to be exact, but how detailed are we being? Is it like: OR:
 * Jayfeather visits the elders who tell him Firestar was once an alien
 * Jayfeather reluctantly visits Mousefur and Purdy in the elders' den under the hazel thicket who tell him that Firestar was once an alien. This worries him as he isn't sure an alien is the right leader for ThunderClan

Okay, extreme difference and slightly random topic choice, but you get my meaning. I hope.

∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  18:54, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I say links the first time a name/article appears in the Cliffnotes, and the first writing style, though perhaps a bit more detailed. Definitely not the second example though ( i know it was an extreme) but it's still quite too detailed to be called cliffnotes, in my opinion. <font color="#000066">☛ <font color="#006699">ⓘⓝⓢⓐⓝⓔⓤⓛⓐⓡ <font color="#000066">☚ 20:22, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

New Leader
Due to Project Character Art and its demands, I'm stepping down from being leader of Project Books. It is rather hard to give both Projects my equal attention when I really have belonged to one for a very long time. I will still remain a member and participate in the discussion when I can. Luckily, there's another user that has deserved leadership on a Project for a while, and she's terrific enough to have agreed to lead this one. :) Good luck, Sand. -- Bramble -sama  19:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I've already agreed to give it a go, but I officially accept the challenge =) I'd like Insane to carry on doing the wonderful she is doing as deputy, if she's agreeable? ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  11:10, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm cool with anything :D And you really deserve this, Sandy. You're one of the most dedicated people on the wiki. <font color="#CC0000">insan <font color="#FF6600">TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  12:35, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Images on Cliffnotes
I noticed that Cliffnotes Fire and Ice has a book cover image... but Cliffnotes Into the Wild doesn't Do we think this should or shouldn't be part of the cliffnotes pages? ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  14:45, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. I look at Cliffnotes Dark River and Cliffnotes Forest of Secrets, and there are no images on those. And it's the same question with the allegiances; Images or not? Maplefern Hi everyone! 14:51, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think no images is best - that's what we have the galleries for ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  14:56, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

So should we take them down, or leave them? Maplefern Hi everyone! 15:37, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, I kind of like the idea since the pages are very text-heavy an image could break it up a bit. Although I understand the other side, too. <font color="#CC0000">insan <font color="#FF6600">TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  19:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind either way as long as it's consistent ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  19:23, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

So is it images or no images? <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  21:56, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I personally think no images. That's what the gallery is for and the allegiances ad cliffnotes should serve their purpose as what they are. But if I'm outvoted then... ∑✐+ᖱ = ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  22:01, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think so too. But only if other people agree. Maplefern Hi everyone! 22:03, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

No image is fine with me as well. To me, it's like a reminder of what book their looking at, but I think that's pretty obvious. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  22:06, January 29, 2010 (UTC)