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Mistystar (W) ~ Tweaked
Second try.

Blur the shading some more and define it on the most unvisible paw. 18:10, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups

Blur the shading more, please.

re-ups Believe me or not, it's actually getting over-blurred. I toned the shading down a bit and hopt that helps.

It is not over-blurred. Blur the haunch more please. 12:36 Mon Oct 12

re-ups I tried, okay? ;-; I cannot blur it anymore...

try enlightening the shading and have a mix of smudging and bluring shading. It might help. 15:01, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define the neck shading? 05:24, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

define the shading on the tail? 22:46, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 21:10, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups

As per the guidelines, it has been a week. This must be declined. 09:41, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

I'll take over. 20:39, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Oh sheesh what happened to the shading???? 20:55, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define the shading? 23:54, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 05:06, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

the shading looks...grey. it's really noticable. 06:48, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

It is pure black, just the opacity is lowered. Idk do I try tinting it or something? 06:59, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

yeah id give it a go at making it bluer with a tint, it just looks odd right now. 07:01, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload redone the extra shading. Looks neater now. 07:11, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Why is there a random yellow patch? 07:32, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea where that came from. O.o I didn't use any highlights at all, just added shading. I'll try to get rid of it. 07:36, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Think I got it. 07:39, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

It's still there 08:29, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 20:48, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

i can still see that odd grey. 21:01, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Can you be more specific as to what you mean please? 20:56, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

The yellow gray, on her main body 07:07, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Can I please have a redline? Sorry I keep doing this, I just don't really see that well at all and I want to make sure it's all gone. 07:17, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

http://www.ezimba.com/work/151021C/ezimba11283577128500.png 07:23, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Could you add some shading depth? 14:06, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Thanks for that The Fox Girl! Boy it was worse than I original thought O.o 06:22, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Please call me Fox. Also, I'm still seeing the yellow gray... 06:24, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 06:44, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I'm still seeing it, i'm sorry. Try putting a new layer of the actual color and cover up the yellow parts 08:39, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I'm practically redoing it >< 21:52, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure you chose the right color? because now I see the yellow everywhere. But I'm just an apprentice so I don't honestly know if I'm right ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 01:52, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I colour-picked off the apprentice now. 05:06, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Runningstorm (SC) - Redone
OA was me. redone for issues. 03:01 Fri Oct 16

Beautiful. Define the shading? 03:09, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:51 Sun Oct 18

Would you mind defining the shading just a tad more? 23:57, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

The opacity is actually at 100%. If you could tell me where exactly it needs defining, I'll create a new layer and go over it :) 20:18 Mon Oct 19

Just the head and the legs ^^ This is very pretty 20:32, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

reuploaded. thanks! <3 00:57 Thu Oct 22

Darken the chest shading 08:26, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Define the tail shadow? ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 01:51, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

reuploaded. 01:29 Sat Oct 24

Shellheart (E) ~ Tweaked
Tweaked to remove ragged fur. OA is Shelly with a tweak by Trollsky. If this is not needed or Trollsky wants it, I will withdraw it. I just noticed it was on the tweak list for a while without anyone claiming it. Shading will be fixed/defined in next upload. 20:35, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

don't worry about it, i left it for anyone to claim. can you tweak the earpink's colour a little bit to match the other images more? 20:41, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

reupped 20:56, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the neck shading? 08:31, October 20, 2015 (UTC)

reupped 17:57, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Dappletail (Q) - Tweaked
OA is me. Tweaked to have white patches. Is there any chance I'd be allowed to tweak the pattern to match more (this is one of my first chararts, and I've been wanting to make it match better for ages), and redo the shading? And if so, does anyone have the file for the others they'd be willing to send me? Jayie Unwritten words~ 02:47, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I guess the pattern could be fixed up more. However, I think the shading looks fine 07:06, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

She's supposed to have white eye rings. 12:22, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the pattern and add white eye rings on the next update. The shading is really old and not well shaped (if that makes sense) and obscures too much of the pattern, and doesn't fit how I've come to improve in shading. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:59, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, go ahead and tweak her to match more and if you think you can make her look better, you're more than welcome to. 01:53, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine, but I agree about the pattern. 04:35, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Frisk (Ki) ~ Redone

 * (it seems your journey is finally over.)


 * (you're filled with determination.) 05:20, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Simply gorgeous. I like how this pattern is thought out. Could you brighten the ear pink just a little? it seems to be difficult to see. Nice job! ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 05:24, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading a bit more? 14:06, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

reuploaded 17:45, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Stonefur (D) ~ Tweaked
OA is -Bramble, redo artist is Mistystar129 and tweakers are Mount Everest and me. Tweaked to untear one of the ears. Apple, since you're working on the warrior I don't mind if you want to copy the ear from the deputy. 21:52, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

ear scars could be smudged more. 22:18, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:28, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Could you add shading depth? ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 01:50, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 05:11, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Get rid of the white background 11:58, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't Stealth's error- someone keeps reuploading under the file name with an image that has a white background.

Morningflower (E) - Redone
OA is Iceheart22. 04:54, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Her description says she's light, so the colors need to be changed. If you leave the black, either add more or define it, since it's sort of looking like just dark shading right now, now so much like a tortie.

I say we should keep the general style of the old image, just with less white. The pattern itself was fine, if a tad overblurred. Keep the colours and general pattern. Just remove some of the white and change it a bit to be less blurred/smudged 05:03 Fri Oct 23

While I liked the original pattern, it's within the artist's right to change the pattern on a full-set redo unless otherwise specified in the nomination. I'm happy either way, but just pointing that out.

define the shading everywhere, i cant see any of it. 05:23, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

so? We're already redoing a stupid amount of images for a reason that doesn't really matter. imo the original pattern was fine and the colours were what thy needed to be. Why not try to at least save the images we can as much as we can?? 05:28 Fri Oct 23

I'm not saying we shouldn't. Like I said, I like the original pattern. I was just giving a gentle remind that it's artist's choice in this case, so it shouldn't be forced or anything.

I've seen people being told in the past after posting that a pattern needs to match the old one and they had to. The same case should apply here. The pattern was perfectly fine. There's no point in totally changing all of these damn patterns. 07:41 Fri Oct 23

Re-uploaded jesus christ there you go >.> 11:30, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

The colours need to be lighter. Typically a light tortie has a light grey and ginger colouring. Not unlike the colours she already had. 11:38 Fri Oct 23

Re-uploaded I seriously get the fact you want me to completely match the other images. There's no need to keep hinting and repeating over and over again. 11:54, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

At this point, no, I'm saying she needs to be a light tortie. She isn't right now. She is a plain tortie. All I'm saying is that the former images colours were what a light tortie should be, so use them as a reference if you need to. 12:16 Fri Oct 23

Olivenose (W) - Redo
Redone to match description. Might tweak this tomorrow after I've had some sleep.

Could you define the shape of the ear pink just a bit? the colors make it blend in really well and I'm having trouble telling the difference between the pelt and the ear pink? Dang, Paleh. This is beautiful.

I'll get on that in the morning. I'll probably also tweak the shading a bit too, especially on the tail.

Define the shading (unless that's what you meant by tweaking the shading), and define the light on the muzzle and paws. 14:44, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Redid the shading completely to be all pretty. Also redid the earpink and removed the markings behind it to make it easier to tell apart from the rest of the markings.

Sunstrike (star) - Redone
Okay what even is this. I know I forgot the white streak so I'll add that later. OA was beebs. 05:39, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Also do not complain about the white. Torties have white. This is based off of my tortoiseshell cat who has white paws, a white chest, and white on her muzzle. So. 05:41, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

eye depth needs defining. 05:42, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just want to point at that there was never an argument about whether torties could have white, it was just about the fact that white markings without description is an assumption. But sunstrike was described with white, so I certainly have no complaints. Could you tweak the color of the brown (the one on her shoulder) a bit? It looks awfully... muddy. I actually thought this was a tribe cat for a second cause of it. Maybe just saturate or lighten it a tad.

Paleh, this was color picked off of my actual cat. But if you really think I should change it then I can. 05:46, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I thought the whole point of the vote was that we decided tortoiseshells who aren't described as tortie-and-white in the text  don't  have white on them? But since Sunstrike is described to have some white on her pelt, I'm not sure abotu that one. Jayie Unwritten words~ 05:47, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe lower the amount of white; just keep the white mark she's described with on her forehead instead of having the other points. 05:47, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

(Paleh's comment pretty much already said this, but I was about to post this before hers when my comment got commeted over top of, and I still wanted to post it. :P) Also, define the shading? Jayie Unwritten words~ 05:48, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

No dont lower the amount of white. Get rid of it all except for one on her forehead 05:49, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: Got rid of the white except for the one on her forehead - I know it's too round shhh. All I did was take the white off, but I will define the shading on the nxt upload. I also do know I hvae to add more patches (do I? I think I do) but yeah. 05:56, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Someone should totally help me out because smudge tool on gimp isn't smudging send help  06:02, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

The white mark should be larger than that 07:01, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Try smudging with a hard edged brush 07:29, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Make the white larger, she was described with a large white mark 11:49, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fox i already said that... 11:57, October 23, 2015 (UTC) Add more depth to the chest shading.--Dewsplash (talk) 13:39, October 23, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash, 13:39, October, 23, 2015

Re-uploaded: Remember that one time where Appledash had an entire folder dedicated to her art in PCA and all of it wasn't just splayed around random files and downloads? Yeah me too 19:17, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I still really think the brown needs to change color. Or if you're set on keeping the color, at least break it up more on her chest/shoulder area. Right now it really makes it seem like she just walked through mud or something. Also, I'd say probably make the head mark even bigger, closer to what it was before. I'd consider the size it is right now to be average sized, not "large."

Re-uploaded: I legit just told you, this was colorpicked off of several images of my cat all in different places. Also I think I made the head mark too smaller this time? Idk, I'll fix that. Kill me 23:31, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

To be honest, whether it was color picked off a picture or not is irrelevant for many reasons. For one, picking colors directly off of photos doesn't always work great for chararts because photos are nothing like digital art. On a photo, there could be 70 different shades in one spot due to lighting and texture, and only 1 of them might be considered the "true color" that would work and display right when used in digital art. In some cases, due to lighting, there won't even be a color that works for something like chararts. Say the photo's from bright sunlight, surrounded by autumn leaves. It'd be completely different from a photo in a dimly lit room with white walls. Color picking doesn't always mean it's a good color to use. Also, even if you happened to get the "true color" that just happened to translate well to digital art, that doesn't mean it's the right color to use in this specific cat. And notice that I also said if you're really set on using this color, which you seem to be, you can also break it up more on the chest and shoulders to get rid of the mud effect it's having right now.

Re-uploaded: Not in the mood to argue. 00:10, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Turtle Tail (Star) - Redone
if I have to remove the white entirely, so be it. I ain't gonna care. I was just told it was fine before I posted it, so who knows?

i think it should be removed. if people are so against torties having white theyll redo perfectly fine images, then none should have any. 12:36, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think you should remove the white. This also goes for the kittypet. 13:16, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the right front leg? Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:42, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and chest? And honestly, this is not able to be considered excessive white for a tortoiseshell...it's actually a pretty normal amount that I have seen quite frequently, but Skt has a good point. Maybe just shrink it down a bit if you were already told that having the white was okay. 14:22, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

agreed with removing the white 14:28, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

its not really about genetics here; if people are gonna bitch about white on these and no other pelt type can have white then neither can these. people were so insistent on it so theres no picking and choosing in that case. 17:39, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I already figured I'd need to remove the white... I don't think multiple people needed to say it; one was more than enough.

As much as I’m loving this pattern, Turtle Tail and Sparrow Fur share the same markings. Since this is up anyway, can you try to match Sparrow Fur’s image? 00:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, no one told me that before they were nominated, and I already have all of six (ancient, rogue, kittypet, queen, star, and the early settler) of her images done. Given that Sparrow Fur only has one image (the kit) approved, it really would not be fair at all to force me to redo all six images. =/

You've already done all six? Alright then I'll nominate Sparrow Fur for redo. 03:39, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Turtle Tail (KP) - Redone
same as the StarClan image.

Re-uploaded. Removed the white.

As much as I’m loving this pattern, Turtle Tail and Sparrow Fur share the same markings. Since this is up anyway, can you try to match Sparrow Fur’s image? 00:53, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

No. Jayce must be very very proud of this, I'd rather redo my Sparrow Fur rogue than have him redoing his. Just saying

Honestly, no one told me that before they were nominated, and I already have all of six (ancient, rogue, kittypet, queen, star, and the early settler) of her images done. Given that Sparrow Fur only has one image (the kit) approved, it really would not be fair at all to force me to redo all six images.

You've already done all six? Alright then I'll nominate Sparrow Fur for redo. 03:40, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Olivenose (A) ~ Redone
OA was Leafstrikeasura, redone to remove the white 11:43, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

The pattern's not really matching the warrior's right now. It's hard to describe the exact steps you'd need to take to fix it. Would you like me to send you the file so you can get a better view at what the pattern looks like without shading?

Could you tell me if the pattern was blurred or smudged? 01:52, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Neither. It was simply drawn. Smudging would make it a bit too messy. Depending on what program you use, blurring might work if the brush engine isn't as good as photoshop's.

However the placement of the markings are also off, probably because the markings in the shadows are a bit hard to make out on the warrior. I'd highly reccomended taking a look at the warrior's file.

Re-uploaded I tried 03:06, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Add more markings to the paws, muzzle, and chest. Maybe define the markings a bit on the back and the haunch. Smudge the earpink on the closer ear, and maybe add some shading for depth as well. Also, to match the color of the markings on the warrior, you'll either need to use a highlight layer similar to the one in the file, or use a different color that's closer to what the warrior's looks like with the shading.

Sunstrike (App) - Redone
Redone to remove white 15:38, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Same as the warrior.

Re-ups 12:02, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Sunstrike (W) ~ Redone
Same 17:00, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is beautiful! My cat would be very proud of how you did her. Can you just possibly define the light on the stomach? Gorgeous as always. 23:26, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Tweak the brown markings on the chest/shoulder to match the star. Nice job on this.

Re-ups Thanks ^^ 12:01, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Fircone (Star) - Tweaked
just removed the white 21:08, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading. 23:25, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

This is just a tweak. All she did was remove the white layer in the file. The shading on there now was already approved, there's no need for it to be changed.

Every single time there are images that are tweaked, they get other criticism that seemed to not have passed during their time. Look above. Rainlegs should not be an expection to this case. Whether an image was nominated for removing torn ears, someone can comment and tell them to fix something else. 00:03, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Ok I stand corrected on that matter. I hadn't realized that it's a normal thing these days to edit unrelated things while tweaking. As far as I remember, that wasn't usually accepted when I was active. I can't say I agree with it being done now, but my opinion on it isn't relevant if it's something accepted by the project. However, I do still disagree that the shading should be defined. It looks defined enough. Though maybe it could be thickened on the back just a tad?