Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Canon
Hey so I found this page floating around with no project on it, and it seemed more PB oriented than anything so I thought to pop it in here. Ik it's with the category of Role Play Phenomenon, and everything else from there has been deleted, but... couldn't it be revamped? I wanted to pose the question here of whether it should be deleted like the rest of the category, or made a part of PB and revamped/ add new stuff and such. Thoughts?

Yea, I agree with that. It is information for the reader and it should be in PB. 14:55, 4/22/2017 14:55, April 22, 2017 (UTC)ggC1ND3R_STR1P3

Me too. It does contain many PB-related articles. --  17:35, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think it should be revamped and made part of PB. 16:14 Sun May 7

It looks like everyone supports the page being revamped. Any other comments? 23:34 Sun May 14

Okay, looks like everyone agrees to revamping it. How should we go about it? I say we keep what's there + add the facts that we now take stuff from Kates blog and Vicky + add cites for the definition of canon from wikipedia, and maybe include a dropdown or some kind of image/graphic/template depicting the series, the canon books, or just something else significant. Just something book related to tie it to PB.

Head's up, I got a nice idea for this, but I'm at work and can't type it up. I'll comment more after my doctor's appointment later. Just letting y'all know to hold off for a little bit so I can chime in.

OKAY a few days late, but sorry, things came up. I think we could revamp the page, but I'm not totally sure what exactly we'd be taking from Kate's blog or Vicky's Facebook pages? Would we take them saying what information is canon and all of that? Because honestly, it wouldn't hurt to at least mention the role play aspect, but mention that this is a place for strict canon information only? Having a definition of what canon is, what counts as a valid canon source, ect, would be an excellent idea. I'm not sure, though, exactly how big you'd want this page to be? We could actually tie it into all projects and just keep it as a general "canonical information" page, or something along those lines... it doesn't have to be just for PB if all projects can benefit from it.

Ah yeah, I meant saying on the page that we take info from Kate's Blog/Vicky's Facebook as canon, and all of that. It'd almost act as a cite guide, even though it isn't really one. I like the idea of tying it into all of the projects, but I also think it should be linked to one project in particular to receive a silver grade. Perhaps that project should be PR instead of PB, though, if we're including more real life aspects than not.

Yes, that's basically what I meant. Although, if we're going to shift this to PR, I would highly suggest having everything ready first, due to PR often being forgotten and too small to get maybe more than a comment or two. A page like this should...really have more than one or two agreeing comments and an actual discussion. Icy is also without a computer for a little while, so I'd suggest also going to poke her once you've decided what to do with it, that way she knows to comment. Does anyone have a rough draft of what they'd want it to look like, or are we going to follow the layout used on other pages?

Poking my head in and mentioning I am still without a laptop so please don't yell at me. But may I be messaged once you all have a good idea of where the conversation is going? I will not be able to check the Wiki as often. 02:35, June 23, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah of course we can message you :)^^ My idea for the format was a version of Warriors Books in that we have a blurb up top that says something like 'Canon is what is considered real.. etc. and is determined by x, y, or z' and that we have different sections and sub-sections for each topic. Those topics could be like what cites we take, specifically which wording of cites we take from Vicky's Facebook and Kate's Blog, and then what counts from the books, erin hunter chats, etc. and stuff.

Are there any more comments on this? 01:29, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise/Chapter 3 ~ Silver Nomination
Credit who worked on it. Also, question. How many articles are we allowed to have up on the talk page and in the forums together? Im assuming it's three? 18:40, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Just popping in to say for PB you can have as many nominations up as you like, for PC you can only have three. :P 16:20, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Can you remove the period after 'jaw' in the main quote?

Oh, also, can you make Oakkit a major character? I know it's more of an opinion thing but from the summary he seems to be a major part of this chapter (and from what I remember in the book, he was major). If you disagree though, it's fine.

Updated 18:59, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

This is gonna be a wall, but:
 * In the first paragraph, "He suggest the go exploring" 'the' should be 'they'
 * "Nearby, Beetlekit wakes, strugging to his paws. He asks if it's time to eat yet." Maybe combine these sentences, as they seem kind of stubby.
 * Oakkit seems a little redundant in the first paragraph.
 * Perhaps add a link to camp in the first paragraph?
 * Rainflower, Stormkit, and Oakkit are redundant in the second paragraph, try to replace some of those with pronouns or descriptive terms.
 * Second paragraph, "slithered" should be "slithers", "saw" should be "see"
 * Second paragraph, I believe there should be a comma after Brambleberry.
 * "They want to collect coltsfoot with her but she says that they need to be apprentices before they go out of camp." Add a comma before the word 'but'
 * "But this doesn't stop Stormkit to sneak out of camp." Reword this sentence, right now it seems awkward and grammatically incorrect.
 * "They spot Goosefeather but thinks that he wasn't worth the trouble." I don't think this sentence is worded correctly? Maybe try "They spot Goosefeather, but think he's not worth the trouble" Also, trouble of what? May add a sentence or a phrase explaining that?
 * Third paragraph, reaches should be reach, chased should be chases. In the same sentence, add a comma after the word 'them'.

Reuploaded 04:09, July 31, 2017 (UTC)

"Nearby, Beetlekit wakes, struggling to his paws and asks if it's time to eat yet." (The bold shows what the word should be :) ) 18:23, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Fixed 19:04, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Spottedleaf's Heart/Chapter 9 ~ Silver Nomination
00:18, July 29, 2017 (UTC)

CBA?

Thunderstar's Echo/Chapter 9 ~ Silver Nomination
At last Thunderstar has kits! <3

"Milkweed already made her kits, Patch Pelt and Beech Tail, to give the laboring queen room." I think there's a missing word in this sentence?

fixed

The bold shows the corrections. :) "The tom moves, embarrassed, and worried that since he can't help Violet Dawn while she's kitting, he can't help raise them." 18:27, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

fixed You may now insult me on my poor spelling issue of not being able to spell "embarrassed." You think I would've learned, but nope.

Comments before vote? 09:48 Tue Aug 8

Hawkwing's Journey/Chapter 23 - Silver Nomination
Short summaries? I don't know her. Also wondering if it's best to try and finish the subpages for the old books or rush to complete some for the newer books. These books just keep on coming

I think it would be nice for those half-finished stubs to be finished since I don't like having those unfinished subpages lying around, but that's just what I think. I still always write unstarted subpages though xD
 * "He thinks to himself that none of that matters, SkyClan is safe." I think that it would be a ";" instead of a comma, or there should be a 'because' or 'since' or something before SkyClan.
 * "Leafstar orders for her cats to gather in a tight circle facing outward; the wounded cats, including Hawkwing, in the center. The wounded warrior still pushes his way toward the outer circle, ready to fight the rogues." Wounded sounds a tiny bit redundant.
 * I think Birdwing and Sagenose would be on the mentioned list as (Unnamed) since it just said 'her parents' in the summary (unless it actually said their name in the book) 07:50 Tue Aug 1

fixed Those stub pages will be the death of the entire universe one day, i'm sure of it. Birdwing and Sagenose are mentioned by name in the book

Comments before vote? 08:13 Sun Aug 6

Hawkwing's Journey/Chapter 5 - Silver Nomination
I forgot how awesome Waspwhisker was. I really hope he and maybe some other cats show up :^(
 * In the 3rd paragraph, I think crowfood should be spelled "crowfood" not "crow-food" (that's how the prey article has it written) unless it spelled it with a hyphen in the book.
 * Maybe link 'fire' in the 5th paragraph to  Natural Disasters?
 * "The tabby tom gasps that he's bleeding, but realizes that the liquid dripping down his back isn't warm, it is cold." I think that either the comma should be a ';', or there should be a 'but' or something after 'warm', but I'm not entirely sure.
 * In the 'Important Events' section, I don't think there needs to be a header saying 'other', I think you could just put that they went on the patrol right under 'important events', if that makes sense? 19:38 Thu Aug 3

fixed I wrote that sentence ten different ways when writing this, and each different way sounded worse than the last. I think I finally found a way to word it that doesn't sound awful.

CBV? 08:13 Sun Aug 6

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 25 ~ Silver Nomination
To be honest, I wouldn't have minded if Hollyleaf killed Sol.
 * Maybe link 'Highledge' to Clan_Meeting?
 * "Her leader awakes immediately, alert in an instant, slipping onto the Highledge to wake the Clan." It might just be me, but 'slipping' sounds kinda odd in this sentence, I feel like it would be better if it was 'and slips onto the highledge'. It might just be me though.
 * "Firestar then runs into the clearing, noting how the moon has set, but she can still see faint StarClan warriors in the sky. " Is it supposed to be Dovewing instead of Firestar?
 * In the 7th paragraph, link 'the prophecy' to Prophecies_and_Omens?
 * "Hollyleaf and Dovewing lash out against their attackers, and at first it is easy to push the invaders back. But then the invaders start to fight back." I think the second sentence is a fragment, maybe combine the 2 sentences?
 * " They are expecting to launch an attack on an unsuspecting ThunderClan, but they've been greeted with a nasty surprise." I think it is supposed to be 'they were' for both of the bolded spots.
 * "The gray she-cat is shocked at the hostility from all the cats, even the youngest ones." I was a bit confused at who 'the gray she-cat' was at first so I think it might be better to say 'Dovewing' since it was a while since she was last mentioned by name.
 * "Dovewing thanks Ivypool, and Ivypool replies before flinging herself into battle." Ivypool is a bit redundant.
 * "Hollyleaf growls at Sol to leave the Clans alone, as he's hurt them enough. He retorts he never, not until he's destroyed everything the Clans stand for. " There seems to be a missing word or an extra word in the bolded section.
 * In the last paragraph, 'she' is redundant. 08:12 Sun Aug 6

fixed I accidentally forgot to say credits to those who worked on it before me.

CBV? 13:37 Thu Aug 10

Hawkwing's Journey/Chapter 1 - Silver Nomination
I might redo the summary, credit to all that worked on it. 19:17, August 2, 2017 (UTC) ​Fixed 18:15, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe link fire in the second paragraph to Natural Disasters?
 * Remove the link to Cloudmist in the summary, as it's already linked in the quote.
 * Quotation marks aren't traditionally used in these summaries, so remove the ones in the first paragraph.

Goosefeather's Curse/Chapter 7 - Silver Nomination
Credit to those who worked on it before me. Moonpaw is a jerk.
 * In the 2nd paragraph, maybe link 'fighting moves' to Fighting Techniques?
 * "The speckled tom is surprised she knows Stormtail, but when questioned, the cat says she knows everyone. He asks the she-cat her name, and she tells him it is Mapleshade. [next paragraph] Goosefeather is limping from a sore shoulder; he spots Moonpaw approaching from the ravine." What happened between the two sentences? Could you explain that Goosefeather left or whatever happened; right now it's kind of confusing because he suddenly goes from talking with Mapleshade, to limping towards camp. 08:26 Sun Aug 6

fixed I added "In the morning" to the sore shoulder sentence so hopefully it more clear that hes not in the dream anymore

CBV? 13:39 Thu Aug 10

Shattered Sky/Chapter 8 - Silver Nomination
noot
 * "Twigpaw tries to remember the route she, Alderheart, and Ivypool had taken before, thinking to herself that she only knows the way to the tunnel under the Thunderpath. After that, she only knows that SkyClan had once taken shelter in a barn." 'she only knows' is redundant.
 * In the 2nd paragraph, I'm not sure if I would link 'father' to Hawkwing, since Twigpaw isn't thinking of him in particular, she's just thinking of a father in general. Your call though. 08:38 Sun Aug 6

fixed I removed the link. While I was writing it I felt kinda iffy on linking it, & since you mentioned it,,

Comments before vote? 13:45 Thu Aug 10

Firestar's Quest/Epilogue - Silver Nomination
Credit to those who worked on it before me

Sorry about this being so late, but:
 * In the beginning of the first paragraph, 'he' is redundant and a lot of the sentences are short and could be combined imo.
 * "He enters the nursery, where he sees his mate in a nest with their two she-kits, one tabby with a white chest and paws and one dark ginger." I think that maybe there is supposed to be a comma between 'paws' and 'and one', so that it reads: "one tabby with a white chest and paws, and one dark ginger." I might be wrong though.
 * "Sandstorm tells Firestar that she had thought of names for their kits, Squirrelkit and Leafkit." I think that comma should be a ':' instead.
 * In the character list: I think Sootpaw, Sorrelpaw, Rainpaw, Thornclaw, Squirrelkit, and Leafkit would all be 'minor characters' instead of mentioned, since they all were seen. Leafstar should also be added to the mentioned characters list. 13:55 Thu Aug 10

fixed

CBV? 16:19 Thu Aug 10

Midnight (Book)/Chapter 20 - Silver Nomination
00:38, August 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * "Brambleclaw asks Purdy if he knows of anywhere else they can find food. The old tabby responds that there is," I think it should be 'he does' instead of 'there is', since the question is if Purdy knows a place, not if there is a place.
 * "Tension begin to run high within the group, with Tawnypelt and Stormfur snapping at each other and later Squirrelpaw and Brambleclaw argue also." I think it should be either 'tensions begin' or 'tension begins' instead of 'tension begin'. Also, I think there should be a comma after 'each other', but I might be wrong.
 * Maybe link 'rat bite' in the last paragraph to Diseases_and_Injuries? 14:19 Thu Aug 10

Midnight (Book)/Chapter 21 - Silver Nomination
00:38, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

Midnight (Book)/Chapter 22 - Silver Nomination
00:38, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

It said in the very beginning that Brambleclaw was on guard while the others slept then it says "when Crowpaw growls that it seems they are still as far as ever from sun-drown-place, Brambleclaw cannot help privately agreeing with him." Did Crowpaw growl that earlier, before going to sleep? If so I think it should be past-tense instead then. The same goes for the sentences "When they settle down for the night, Feathertail and Squirrelpaw lick Tawnypelt's wound to try to soothe it, but there is no doubt she will need herbs to treat her injury." I think those should be past-tense too for the same reason. <span style="">14:33 Thu Aug 10

Firestar's Quest/Chapter 36 - Silver Nomination
I miss when SkyClan was like this :(
 * "Leafstar names Sharpclaw as her deputy. " Maybe link 'names' to Deputy Ceremony?
 * "Cherrypaw is given the name Cherrytail, Leafstar names her honored traits as enthusiasm and bravery." Either the comma should be a semicolon or there should be an 'and' in between the comma and Leafstar.
 * I think Patchfoot and Clovertail should be minor characters, not mentioned.
 * For Cherrytail and Sparrowpelt's warrior ceremony template thing, since the two are the same, I think you could combine them as one and say 'cherrytail and Sparrowpelt's warrior ceremony' or have just the things they say in their own ceremony. For example, in Sparrowpelt's thing that would mean not including Cherrytail receiving her wariror name. <span style="">16:30 Thu Aug 10

Yellowfang's Secret/Chapter 36 ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to those who worked on it before me.
 * "He needs his Clanmates to support him, and most of all he needs his mother. She leaves her den to find her son. He is next to the mound where Raggedstar is buried. She tells him that they need to go to the Moonstone to get his nine lives." Could you combine some of these sentences? Right now I feel like they are too short.
 * Maybe link 'marshes of ShadowClan' in the 4th paragraph to ShadowClan or The Forest Territories? and 'WindClan's territory' to WindClan or The Forest Territories
 * "Yellowfang wonders what the cats mean, seeing as they have spoken of a divided path often. She wonders what the choices are, and if her son will make the right ones. " wonders sounds a little redundant.
 * "A spasm of pain rocks the tabby, and Yellowfang is afraid that he won't be able to stand on his paws. However, Brokentail is still on his paws" paws is redundant.
 * "She also senses a sort of reluctance from the StarClan cats, one that she never sensed with Raggedstar's ceremony." Link 'ceremony' to Leadership Ceremony?
 * "Brokenstar glances at their mother disapprovingly and tells her to bring them out. She starts to object, but the leader asks her if they are part of the Clan. She responds yes, and he growls for her to bring them out." 'bring them out' sounds redundant.
 * "He tells her that she shouldn't be troubled, because everything is going to be fine. WindClan will regret killing Raggedstar." imo it would be better if the period was a semicolon instead. <span style="">17:27 Thu Aug 10

Firestar's Quest/Chapter 35 - Silver Nomination
I think this is the longest one I've done (considering I try to stay within an 8 page thing for procrastination reasons) and at least it's done
 * "Taking a deep breath, the tom asks how the brown-and-cream she-cat will receive her nine lives if Cloudstar is the only one there." It is a little confusing on who 'the tom' is, maybe say 'the ThunderClan tom' or something.
 * In the 6th paragraph, 'cat' is a little redundant.
 * "All of the starry cats stand up, chanting Leafstar's new name in welcome." Maybe link 'name' to Names?
 * "The ginger tom tells warns her to never speak of the ceremony," I think that one of these words should be removed
 * "to which Leafstar replies that there aren't even words. Leafstar shakes her head, " Leafstar sounds a tiny bit redundant. <span style="">17:45 Thu Aug 10