Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Prey-Hunter Blanks - For approval
(M) - Alright! I've drawn cats for awhile now, so I thought I'd put it to good use!


 * Double lineart? Cheak.


 * About the right size? Cheak.

All it needs is a transparent bckground. Could somebody do that for me please? I know how to do it, but I've had some troubles and I don't want to risk anything! Thanks! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)



OMG, ur so good! =] This are real good. Lets see what everyone else says- but wait, some pplz made leaders with the warrior blanks... Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 20:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done the transparency for you and had no problems with pixlr... don't know what that was about. As for the images. I like the position you've chosen and overall they are very good. There are a few things though. Firstly their backs are quite bumpy... Secondly, their heads are quite small and could be a bit bigger. I also think the fur on the belly of the longhaired looks strange and needs to be a bit... neater (that sounds so stupid). We also nede to think about how easy they'll be to colour. Sandy Talk! 20:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanies! I think the people who made leaders with warrior blanks understood that leader blanks would be made one day. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean that they coloured Bluestar in a warrior blank for example. If so then the reason for that is that we are eventually hoping to get images of all ranks every cat has ever upheld. They will all be added to a character's page together. Sandy Talk! 20:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'll fix these some more tomorrow... but for now, the fur and backs have been fixed on the male and female longhaired. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There is gray on the picture? Lavastream, SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 01:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the transparent background Mistfur Sandy Talk! 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

'''(M) - Note: I will be gone for the next week or so. Please do not delete these images. I am planning to work on them as soon as I am done with camp. Thank you.''' Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I got rid of the grey and decreased the pointyness of the chin, but it's not showing up for me. I'm going to work on these some more tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the grey on the images (It wasn't the transparent background that Mistfur was talking about), decreased the pointedness of the chin, and fixed the backs on the other balnks. Is there a trick to increasing the size of the head? Thankies! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking... I don't know how bad you'd think this idea but I really like these and especially as prey-hunter blanks because it looks like they're leaping on prey as the mountain cats leap... dunno. Just a thought.  Sandy Talk! 17:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I love that idea Sandy! Should I put some kind of prey underneath their paws or just leave it? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) I edited the images slightly, but I can't upload do to my computer freezing, so I'll upload them later. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm worried how easy will the prey-hunters color, I think you should use an example like what Bramble did with the queen blanks, so when we are going to approve the prey-hunters we can approve the example.--Yai-Girl 02:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl


 * I got bored and decided to do an example for you. I didn't have any cat in mind when I did it but I guess it could be Brook.



I really like the shorthaired and they're not actually that hard to use at all but the long-haired's fur is still bothering me. It's kind of... spikey... Also, the hind legs on them all need to be a little longer I think and on the longhaired there is a strange indent on the front leg.  Sandy Talk! 12:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Now that I can upload again (I have no clue what that was about) I fixed some pixels and the indent on the paw. I'm going to work on the longhairs and fix the legs.

Also, thank you for coloring that image! It looks nice. :3 Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Fixed the fur on the longhaired. I didn't fix the haunch because it looked really strange when I did.

The main thing that's bothering me is that these blanks seem smaller than the other blanks, yet when I try to increase the sixe it blurs it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I know... I don't know what to say as they blurred for me too.. there must be a way though  Sandy Talk! 19:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, they look small, so make the head bigger and scale the blank. (You can do that in paint or photoshop, whatever program you choose. --Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The head is kind of egg shaped, it needs a stop. Also, could you make them a little bigger?-- Darkhallows Lair 17:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - My computer's being worked on (I'm using my parent's laptop), so I can't work on these for the next 2 to 3 days. Please do not delete these. I'll work on them as soon as the computer's fixed. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow, the computer was fixed way sooner than I thought... Well, I increased the size of the long female blanks. I really don't know if they're any good, so let me know if this looks okay, and then I'll make the other ones this size. :) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Well, nobody's commented yet, so I increased the size of the other blanks, and took away the background transparency (There was some discussion about this on the queen blanks). Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for not commenting, Moss. The long haired bellies look weird, like they're spiked with gel or something. Take off those angles; I know it's supposed to look like long fur, but we'll see how to improve them after you take them off, cause they really do look weird. And also, you know how in the other blanks, the hind legs have a curve to them? Add that to your hind legs and see how they look. -- Bramble My Realm 16:58, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - No problem Bramble! I'm giving one last shot at the belly fur. If this is bad, then somebody else can do it. I used a different style that I've seen used on a few blanks. I also tried to fixed the haunch, although I think I failed. :/ Also, can somebody please tell me how to increase the head size on pixlr? Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I likez zis belly fur. -- Dawnfeather talk! 06:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This belly fur is awesome! It looks so natural and everything. Okay, we need to get these approved. The near foreleg on allof them is big and then it suddenly slims itself; slim the whole leg so it looks even. On the near hindleg, the paw had a sharp protrusion; round that off. The back ear is like a corner to the near ear, make it smaller and more pointed like the first ear. The shoulder is a bit too big, or pronounced, but make it slightly smaller and less noticeable. Last, the way you had the neck, the space is a rather sharp angle. Round it off as well. Oh wait; this is the last thing:Don't be discouraged by my long post. :) These are great, and just need a few tweakings before approval. -- Bramble My Realm 11:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Actually, I like long posts Brable; there's nothing more annoying then knowing you can work on your image but you can't do anything becuase you don't know what's wrong. :) All your comments have been completed. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)



Glad you do. :) The ear looks a lot better, but the front leg is still bugging me. I made a diagram to show you what I mean. Also, the front paw needs to be altered; I showed that in the diagram too. Still use thickened lineart, though. -- Bramble My Realm 23:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

To-be Blanks- For Approval


These were going to be for Deputy, but I saw that Deputy blanks were already made, and New Warrior Blanks were Desired. How about these ones? Male and Female Shorthairs and Longhairs. (Wow, I'm just spitting out artwork lately o3o. I have too much time on my hands) -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;green; background:black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:lightgreen;"> Sandiwolf

They're good, but to small, make them a little bit bigger. Also, I think the nose might be too long, make it the littlest bit shorter.Minnowclaw 16:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Oh afterthought, the lines on the tail of the long hair looks like they've been cut. Also, It was just thought that we needed more girlish cats for the warriors, these are way different and we would have to redo all of the other blanks when we could just do a little fix. Maybe you can work on that? (Don't get me wrong, these are great.)Minnowclaw 17:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I'm glad you like them, and as a note: MS Paint + Bigger = pixelated fail. Dx. But anywho, under Desirable Blanks, it stated specifically this:

DESIRABLE BASES * Warrior o More feminine looking Female Longhair Base o More masculine looking Male Longhair Base So I assumed that a new female and male blank were needed. D= --Sandiwolf 19:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but we have many warrior pictures already approved. It would take a very long time to redo them with the new blanks unless they had been a quick fix. Put your work to the test. These bases are really great and can be used in other parts maybe. Also, I'm only a warrior in the project. So if a senior warrior or Bramble thinks we can use these, well, I don't have the power to say anything against it.Minnowclaw 20:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

They look a little to... cute to be warriors. Maybe Tribe To-be's? They look young. But I really love them and they should be used as something.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 21:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we use them as apprentice blanks? Please don't ban me for saying this, as I'm not bashing the apprentice blanks but just criticizing them, but I never really liked them that much. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but they look like they needed more work before they were approved. But I really really really like these! I definitely want to use them as something! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The heads look cartoony, and I think we don't need a completely new base, just modify the old one. Because then, what about the other accepted cats made with the old ones? Plus, they look like wolves. I think tribe-to-be's would be the best use for these. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't show up sooner, i had marching band camp. Welcome to PCA, Sandiwolf. :) These look great, though I agree with Mallinois and Darkhallows they'd be better used as tribe to-be's. About 3/4's of our approved images are warriors, and it would take too long to redo all of them. Now, on the images, the she-cats need whiskers (in kittykat world, the females have whiskers :) And the lineart needs to be thickened to go with our other blanks. Also, the hind legs on all of them is bent at a right angle, make it a bit more natural. That's about it for now. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I reckon they could be something from the Tribe. Cave Guard, Prey Hunter, or To-Be. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we shouldn't really change the warrior blanks as we'll have to start the whole project basically from scratch... I like these for to-bes though! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Again the lineart needs to be thicker in keeping with all the current blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the legs and thickened the lineart. --Sandiwolf 13:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Are they prey-hunter to-bes or cave guard to-bes? Also, you need to thicken the line art on the short hairs and all around to blank. Minnowclaw 01:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

To me I think they should be prey-hunter to-bes becuse that they look swifter. (The long-haired she-cat still has no wiskers.)--Yai-Girl 21:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm with Yai-girl. These should be To-Be Preyhunters. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Prey Hunter To-bes sound fine to me. When I can, I'll thicken the missed areas of the lineart and add those whiskers!(I keep forgetting!) --Sandiwolf 15:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make sure all the muzzels are the same.Minnowclaw 16:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The long-haired she-cat still doesn't have wiskers.--Yai-Girl 03:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but what are those weird dots on the long haired male and females necks? It's more noticeable on the female then on the male. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It's fur along the neck(or on the side of the face). Also, pardon how long it's taking me to edit these. Getting a consistent look on ALL four of them is a time taxing feat. I keep messing it up, and I'm starting to lose patience for these x3. If anyone wants to help out, ti would be appreciated. --Sandiwolf 18:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

They look awesome. -- MU MB LE 785  16:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)



I went ahead and did an example for you - Splash when Fish Leaps from Outcast. I had no problems with these blanks. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

In the blanks the head looks fine because you can tell thatkit's head has turned around to look behind them, but when coloured it just looks like it's on backwards. Could you, like cut it off at the neck and flip it? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks- For Approval
I swear this is the last thing I'll do today, so I don't flood the list. anyways, I saw that Kittypet Blanks were being CONSIDERED. So if they are ever needed, I made these. --Sandiwolf 15:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The bodies are too big for the head, make the head bigger or the body smaller. Also, the bodies look to muscular when kittypets are supposed to be softer. The tails on the long hairs' still look like they are cut. Also, on the long hairs, the collars look like they have been cut, is that fur?Minnowclaw 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The ears are a very strange shape - perhaps make them thinner and slightly more pointed. Also, the longhaired tails look a bit like candyfloss - get rid of some of the small lines. Their backs are very flat and there is some discrepancy between the two longhaired versions - either make the back fluffy or not. Also, the lineart needs to be thicker to fit in with the existing blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Minnow: I made the bodies a tad smaller. They're also meant to look fat, not muscular. Furthermore, yes, that is in fact fur. Sandy: I'm not used to doing thickly outlined drawings, but I did my best to edit them. I added fur to the longhair male's back, and fixed the longhair tails. The ears? I made them thinner and taller.--Sandiwolf 19:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I just looked on the reservations page and Dawnfeather has already reserved Kittypet blanks... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Awhhh. T.T

I should really be more observant. When I'm not it results in my Depression. There goes another day of wasted work. I'll find something eventually, but for now, would you like me to take these down?--Sandiwolf 19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you using MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

For these, yes. My good old MS Paint and a mouse. --Sandiwolf 19:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be wasted. You can talk to Dawnfeather and if she still wants to do them, get rid of the collar and they can be loners or rouges.Minnowclaw 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I don't mind. Your's are much better, and I was going to take down that thing tonight unless I could get some good progress from them today. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 08:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Cave-guards. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Same thing with the hind legs as I said on your other pics. Make the transition more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 23:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine are not as good as these. I have had a lot of trouble with mine as I started them in paint... Anyways. these are more in our style and look good. Kittypets, or CaveGuards, Rogues, Loners. I think they would work whatever. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the back leg, and thank you Dawnfeather.--Sandiwolf 13:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should fiddle around with the chin a bit to make it a bit rounder and lower, so it will be more in the style of the other blanks. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Can do. I'll try and get to it this afternoon, but I have a birthday party to go to today, so the schedule's tight. --Sandiwolf 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I rounded out the chin the best I could. Is that all? --Sandiwolf 18:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I love them, and maybe it's just me, but I image kittypets to be a little less masculine... -- MU MB LE 785  17:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They're fat. =U --Sandiwolf 22:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have two kitttypets and one of them is on my lap right now. 'Fat' is a really good way to put it! Ahhh! Puss moved! ooowwww.....

Well anyway, I think that these are really good. I'll make an example (because I like being the blank tester person =D ) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Here you go. Very usuable blanks. I think that they should be approved, but first i think that we need to get rid of the large amount of excess space around them as it is like a large unneed border. I can do this for you if you like. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Blossomkit (TC)- For approval
Worst. Image. Ever. Meh, I did the other one so... Sorry I was gone for a few days.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not the worst image ever. :) Make the ginger patches a bit more spread out, and since she's tortie maybe add in some ginger specks on the black to make it look more broken up, and not like she's just black with white and ginger patches. She's actually really good right now. -- Bramble My Realm 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like it! Try making the ginger patches darker though. They look golden. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Played around with the ginger.<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looked better before... Also, the ginger needs to be redder as it's kinda golden now (as M&S mentioned) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The ginger's still golden...also, there are jagged lines through the ginger patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The patches look more yellow than ginger. Silver tree  ♥  17:39, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Any better now?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much, although those ginger patches still have those lines through them... Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginger on torties has stripes ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually really like it now! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, sorry. I've never actually seen a torishell up close, to be honest. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the best torties I've ever seen. :) And you said it was the worst image ever, DH. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is wonderful, but the ginger looks golden,a dn could be more orange-coloured. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

... I think it's be to dark if I changed it... any other opinions on it? --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I like it as it is but you could try it with a more orange colour and put them side by side to see... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I appoligize for sounding whiny but it looks horrible whenever I try to change it. I think it will have to stay like this :/.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have a problem. Anyone else? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The black of her tortie pelt has turned very gray. it needsto be a stronger/darker black (but light enough that you can still see the line art) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I might not be able to tell because they're small, but it looks like you forgot to color the eyes... I might just be mistaken if they're colored dark, but it looks like the fur color... --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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Poppyfrost - for approval


Here's my first Tortoiseshell. I know it needs major improvements but I want your guys' opinion. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  21:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That's so cool Sandwich! I think she looks pretty good, I just think that she needs some color on her face, if you know what I mean. I also need some help creating a charcat, everytime I try, it won't do the right color! It ends up black or white or gray. Please tell me what painting sites are used by the charcat project warriors. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

She's pretty nice, and there's certainly plenty of shading that I can see. I would suggest splitting that big black patch that comes down from her ear with orange, because that looks better in my mind. We'll see what it looks like after that. -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that jumps out at me is that tortoiseshells have more black on them than any other color most of the time. Your picture looks like it has more white on it than anything. Try making the head black, and we'll see how that looks. Looks great! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

MAde her more black. Sand wich  989  00:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add chin shading, also there is a gray line under her. Nice job though ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Er...Poppyfrost is a tortoiseshell... You made her a tortoisehsell-and white,becuase the base color is white. Try to put more black...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought Poppyfrost was tortie and white Warrior... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the gray line, added chin shading and even a little more black. And in Twilight she was described as a tiny copy of Sorreltail adn Sorreltail is a tortie and white. Sand wich  989  18:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, she is... Strike my post, then. But the ginger looks a bit....bright.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything else?(Sorry I'm really impatient) Sand wich  989  14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The ginger patch on the head looks a bit bright. Maybe try darkening it a shade. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened it. Sand wich  989  18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd get rid of that white/grey strip under the tail. It looks unatural. Other than that, this looks great. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know what you meant by that but I fixed the tail. Sand wich  989  20:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Look at the tail. That white on there looks unatural; I'd take it off and simply continue the ginger and black. Sorry for not being clear the first time. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

The black is too black; it blends right in with the lineart. Try making it like a light black color, like with a Breezepelt or Blackclaw color. -- Bramble My Realm 21:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Cross out what I said about the tail. Sorreltail has it too, so... I'd just do what Bramble said. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 16:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Made the black lighter. Sand wich  989  22:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

In the process of doing that you also made the eye lineart gray. And there is still a dark black patch by her hind foot still. -- Bramble My Realm 22:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Made eye lineart black. But I thought since the black on her hind leg is in the shadows it would be that color anyway. Sand wich  989  19:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks out of place. Make it the same color as the rest of the black and then shade it. It will look more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 11:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed what you said to fix. Sand wich  989  18:41, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The back ear is black. Then that's all I see, and she can probably be approved. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 01:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed ear. Sand wich  989  03:35, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You turned the lineart on the back ear and part of the head gray. :) -- Bramble My Realm 14:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed ear. Sand wich  989  18:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks great. I'll turn her transparent for you when she's approved. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 18:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Oakfur, For Approval


First attempt. I did him because he's Tawnypelts mentor. Any comments on howw to make it better? Silver tree  ♥  12:43, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Add belly shading. Sand wich  989  18:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add a few darker stripes, that would make the charcat more interesting. And yes, a little more shading <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 18:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

No, don't add stripes. He's not a tabby, he's just a brown tom. And yes, I'm with Sandwich, add some more belly shading and on the chest area. He looks very good. -- Bramble My Realm 19:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Also the ear iskind of fluro - choose a slightly less bright shade. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated- I made the ear pink darker, and I added belly shading. Anything else? Oh yeah:

'''Cannot be on for the next week since I have to go out of state. I will be no where near a comuter for the entire week, but starting next Thursday, maybe the Wednesday, I'll work on Oakfur again. I'll work on him again tonight if there's any other improvements you think would be good. Please do not take him down. Silver  tree'''  ♥  17:23, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Extend the back shading down towards his bum and the chest shading towards his forepaws. Then add a little shading on his head and push the belly shading in a bit so it's following the line of the lineart. Blend it all a little and I think this'll look really good :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated. Okay, I'm back. I extended the shadings. Anything else. Did I forget anything? Silver tree  ♥  21:13, 8 July, 2009 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a lighter pink color, and less like a ruby. You also need to add more shading on the lower chest area, more on the lower back near the tail, and also on the forelegs and far hind paw. Then just add a pupil into the center of the eye. -- Bramble My Realm 01:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated- Lightened the ear pink, added what I hope I can pass off as a pupil, did more shading to the back and added paw-shading. I also thickened the chest-shading, since Sandy suggested I do so. Did I get it all? Silver tree  ♥  23:18, 8 July, 2009 (UTC)

Yep; also take off that point on the neck shading and, and blur the shading you have. Move the pupil over one pixel, and put a yellow pixel where it is now, it will look better. -- Bramble My Realm 03:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated- Had a lot of trouble being satisfied with my eye, but I got over it. Did a lot of blending, but I don't know if you can tell. I hope you can. Silver tree  ♥  23:51, 8 July, 2009 (UTC)

The eye looks fine. I think that's all, you did a great job. :) Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 18:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His eye looks like he's sinister; perhaps this could be changed?--Yai-Girl 16:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks like he popped right out of Pokemon. Give him less of an angry-japanese look. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Okay. I redid him. Does he look any better? Hawkfire My Den 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are his feet black?--Yai-Girl 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He is better, but I would suggest a black patch on his foreleg coming up to his chest, and lighten the black even more. You also need to blur the transition between black and white on all the places. Some more shading is needed, too. Keep it up, and he'll be approved in no time. And Yai, I'm presuming his paws are black cause he's a black and white cat. -- Bramble My Realm 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I smudged him, added more shading, and added that patch Bramble wanted. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 18:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with all the tiny black dots? And try blurring instead if smudging. Sand wich  989  19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? :) And I have no idea how those black dots get there sandwich, I set it to png but they wont go away! Hawkfire My Den 19:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the black dots anymore. I think you just add shading and blend it in and it will look good. Sand wich  989  22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend, and I did add shading. I just brightened the shading to make it a silvery color. Anything else? Hawkfire My Den 13:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The black needs to be a lot lighter, and I think in places it goes outside the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 19:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anyn shading. But I would do is make the blur tool brush big enough so half of it can be on the black and half of it can be on the white and just run it until the black and white stops. Do that where there is all black and white next together. Sand wich  989  19:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the black slightly lighter than what you have now so you can see the lineart. And it still needs more shading and the patches need blending. Your doing great. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the perfect shade of black! I added more shading, and I added more blending, is it better? Hawkfire My Den 14:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the best yet, and it is a great shade of black. The shading is too pronounced, though, it needs to be more blurred and less standoutish. -- Bramble My Realm 14:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I blurred the shading Hawkfire My Den 12:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Leader Blanks-for approval


Melonlemon's leader blanks. Please, can someone change them to a .gif for me, they show up black for me, and they aren't transparent. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

...This is so beautiful! Sand wich  989  22:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I know, Melonlemon is great at this. Too bad she's leaving... --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Can I be the one that try's out the image so everyone can see what it looks like? MAybe in a day or 2? Sand wich  989  22:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure! I'd like to try this out too, I think I'll do Tigerstar. The ultimate villian! --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is a much better pose for a leader than mine was. However, this should be smaller, and of course we need the other blanks (Long female, Long male, Short female) Also, I would suggest taking out that line in between the eyes and make two diagonal lines from the corners of the eyes going down to the nose. That should give it a more natural look. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 17:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Improtant:Could Bramble or someone else take responsibility for these? I can't do them as I'm not good at balnks and they show up black for me. If anyone could do these, it would eb apprciated. Thanks! --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 21:30, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, since I believe Mallinois is allowing me to take responsibility for these; I would like to ask your opinions on one thing: Do we want to use this blank:

or this:

I personally like the first one better, but please post your opinions. -- Bramble My Realm 21:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see the new one tested before I give my opinion. Where did the new one come from? Did you make it? Boltstar 21:25, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like the new one, but the ears are super huge compared to the head. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:32, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I will definitely shrink the ears. And Bolt, this was the old version of Melonlemon's leader blank before the first one. I was going to do a char out of it, and saved it to my cp, but then she completely changed them. I always did like her first version better, though. So no, this is still Melonlemon's. And I can give you a test version. -- Bramble My Realm 21:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, and I'd almost just take the head of the old one and put it on the new. The old one's expression looks so wise. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I liked your idea so much Moss that I used it. I took the eyes and the ears off the old one and put them on the new. And I also did Thunderstar for a test run. Changed the blank at the top and shrunk the two different blanks because they were taking up room. I realize the lineart does need to be thickened, but I'd like to deal with any tweakings that are needed with the structure first. Constructments? (you've started a fad, Sandy xD) -- Bramble My Realm 04:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the left one better. Good Thunderstar by the way. I would have never noticed that the eyes and ears were taken off of the one on the right if you didn't say it. The right (from our point of view) side of the mouth starts to turn into a smile, but the left doesn't, it looks kind of awkward. Boltstar 04:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I thought I might help out. These blanks can be used. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 05:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

That line that comes down by the neck/shoulder which shows where the shoulder is is too far to (our) left. It needs to be back where that little thingy in the back is, a few pixels away. IThe shoulder doesn't look right with it just there. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I tried what I think you meant, Dawn, but it looked horribly unnatural. I can try taking that line away altogether. I also uploaded all of the blanks, longhaired female and male and then the shorthaired female. You can view them at the top. -- Bramble My Realm 17:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Ohh, these look great. :D However, they seem kind of big... could you shrink them a bit? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I added another Windstar with an edited blank. It makes the shoulder look less awkard. It works better with colouring and shading the old one. What do you think? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't like that as much, it looks unnatural to me. However, I did try and compensate, and moved the leg line up a little, so it looks a bit like yours but that I think looks more natural. Is this alright? -- Bramble My Realm 01:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Put in Shadowstar, and took out Thunderstar. I've always liked creatures of the night better anyway. Tried your eye technique, Dawn. Did I do it justice? -- Bramble My Realm 02:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Her profile says she has dense fur, so I think she would be considered longhaired. Boltstar 02:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll redo her if I put her up for approval. Is there anything on the blanks you would like changed, Bolt? Oh, and Mosswhisker, when I tried to shrink them, they blurred. I'll see if I can find a way around that. -- Bramble My Realm 02:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

No. I woldn't know how it works. Boltstar 02:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that these look great now. Let me make just onne more windstar though... :P --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Here you go. This is by far my favourite yet. I added a whdoged dot on the chest to make her look more powerful. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This is my Tigerstar. It's really fun to try out new blanks Hawkfire My Den 14:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

We're not using that pose, Hawkey, so you may have to redo him to try him out. That's why I took it off in the first place. -- Bramble My Realm 16:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the eye that Dawnfeather made for her first Windstar. I'm going to change the females eyes to look like that, cause they look awesome. Hope you don't mind, Dawn. Does anyone else have anything of an issue for these? Or can I thicken the lineart and then they can be approved? -- Bramble My Realm 16:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the leader blanks should be approved now.--Yai-Girl 19:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

(M) - I can shrink the images for you Bramble. Let me know if I should. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be great Moss. If you could make them the size of the warrior blanks that'd be good. I also made the females' eyes more feminine. -- Bramble My Realm 22:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Here you go Bramble! I did the female and male shorthaired, and I'll do the longhaireds tomorrow. Let me know if there's any problems. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 00:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you much Moss! They look great, I was able to make the lineart thicker without any problem. -- Bramble My Realm 11:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

To save room I got rid of the pictures; feel free to add in another Windstar, though, Dawn, with the new shrunk thickened lineart. :) -- Bramble My Realm 11:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The eyes on the shrunk ones, espiacaly the female, don't look right. Boltstar 14:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Tried to fix them. -- Bramble My Realm 01:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * They actually look better normal size. The shrunk ones have wacky lineart and the regualr ones actally look better, just need thickened lineart. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking that, and I tested out how they looked in the charcat template regular sized. I was hoping we'd be able to go with them being regular sized. Sorry, Moss, though you did do a pretty good shrinking job. I'll thicken the lineart after I'm done with all the new articles. -- Bramble My Realm 18:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Raggedpelt- For Approval
This is my unfinished Raggedpelt. Could somebody make the background transparent, please. This is not up for approval. Boltstar 23:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed it. Unfortunately I had to upload it as a .png format instead of .PNG format (they're not the same thing). Do you want it to be up for approval now? -- Bramble My Realm 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I uploaded it as a .png, but in my post, the lowercase just said Raggedpelt.png in red. When I changed it to uppercase, it showed up. Edit: Or at least, that's what it said when I saved it to my computer. Edit: Now it's ready. Boltstar 00:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I like his color. It's a very pretty brown. But your tabby stripes need to stretch out more into the main pelt area, and be darker, I can barely see them. Make them slightly thicker as well; if you need help look at some of our approved tabby warriors for reference. Make the ear pink more like a hot pink color, and make sure to add shading on his back, chest, hind leg curve, forelegs, forehead, and tail. This is a great first start, though. Looking forward to seeing some of your other work! :) -- Bramble My Realm 01:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been working on it for days. Define hot pink please. Boltstar 02:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear color is fine, but that it needs to be blended. Otherwise I agree with Bramble. --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend it.... are you supposed to blend it all at once? And Bramble, where on the tail do I shade? Boltstar 13:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but blend as in blur. The ear pink stands out sharply, we need a more soft transition. And hot pink as in like this color:. -- Bramble My Realm 21:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

And the tail? Boltstar 01:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

For the tail I'd suggest a thin line of shading on the underside, fading out about 3/4 of the way up. That's what I normally do. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

There is a white lone in his ear. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'lone'? It's his ear rip. Boltstar 05:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Dawnfeather means "line". It looks a bit unnatural. Try to use a V shape like Tigerclaw's pic or make it jaggedy(xD). I hope I'm not confusing you any.... By blending they mean using the smudge(pixlr) or blur(GIMP) to belnd the shading into the pelt so it looks realistic. I can't really see any shading, so maybe increase it some and blend. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:43, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know you needed to blend the shadeing. I'll see what I can do. (And why is jagged funny here?) Boltstar 17:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that was because she didn't say jagged she said jaggedy. :) Now, try making the tabby stripes a touch darker, slightly more thick, and add some more on the tail and foreleg. You don't have to use the 'y' shape for all of them as well, you can just use lines, as long as they're not perfectly straight. Also add a marking like this ~ except turn it about 30 degrees to the right and put it about a pixel away from the eye. You can look at Runningwind for ref if you need help. -- Bramble My Realm 17:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I'll do that. Boltstar 17:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

How do I make the rip transparent? Boltstar 22:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Use the eraser tool. Or at least that's what I do. -- Bramble My Realm 02:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have anymore ear rip suggestions? I've lost count of how many times I've tried and they all don't look right. Boltstar 04:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You could take a quick look at Tornear's pixel - I had to do an ear rip there. I can't exactly remember how I did it but I just took a few pixels out of the lineart and then created a 'v' by drawing in the outline... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

How does this look? Boltstar 16:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I can barely even tell that there's shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with GB, thre needs to be shading, and I think the stripes could be thicker blended a bit more. Silver tree  ♥  21:50, 8 July, 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall-For Approval
Now I feel that I have enough time to work on this. Here is Birchfall again. Is it okay that I am putting it back up? -User:SparrowWing

well, it looks okay but it needs some improvement, try working on the stripes, make them stand out. And add a little more shading :) you did good for your first try! His eyes also need color :) Nice work Hawkfire My Den 14:33, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see you back in here, SparrowWing. :D He needs that wave thing out of the eye. You need to blur the stripes a bit, too. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:42, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire Worked on the stripes. The eyes do have color, it is just a similar color to the fur.

DawnfeatherBlurred stripes. I'm not sure what you mean about the eye. Could you be more specific?

-<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkflower (Queen) - For Approval
My first time doing this. What do I need to do for improvement? --Spottedwing 03:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Well first undo all the blurring you did. Second add a pupil to the eye. Third add shading and blend it in. Sand wich  989  08:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the colour needs to be lighter. I know she's black but we need to be able to see the lineart a little. It also makes it easier to add shading if the colour's slightly lighter than pure black. Then add a pupil and highlight to the eye. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 11:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. My computer is really slow right now, so I'll work on it as soon as I can. --Spottedwing 15:02, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Where's her pupil? O.O -- MU MB LE 785  16:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I'd like to wish everyone on the wiki a happy 4th of July. I added a pupil, and I made her lighter. I'll add shading later. What else do I need to improve? --Spottedwing 22:38, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm using Pixlr.com By the way, Happy 4th!--Spottedwing 03:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy 4th, Spottedwing! :) Now, the ears look purplish, make them more like a dark pink, and there should be some tool called the burn tool in pixlr.... I don't know but anyway use that for shading. On the back, tail, legs and head. If you need a ref you can look at Goldenflower. -- Bramble My Realm 04:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the lineart black, I can hardly see it.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I made the lineart black, added shading, and made the ear pink more pink. Don't be afraid to tell me it's bad. --Spottedwing 14:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

On the contrary, this is very good. :) Just needs a few things tweaked. The ear pink color looks nice, I think, but make it more triangular so it fits better with the ear. I think the ears also got reverted to their thin lineart, when it needs to be slightly thickened. Her eyes look a whole lot better, though. Also add some shading on the corner of her foreleg, where it starts going up, and make sure you blend the shading as well. -- Bramble My Realm 17:09, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I redid the ear pink, made the lilneart thicker, and I added shading to the foreleg. --Spottedwing 21:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The ear's way too rosy. Make it lighter, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:26, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. --Spottedwing 16:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I made the ear pink lighter to make it less rosy. --Spottedwing 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

They're back to fluro purple again... make them this color: Also, I can make the bg transparent for you, and, if it's alright with you, fix the ears back to their original lineart, since you seem to be having trouble with that. -- Bramble My Realm 18:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright thanks Bramble. --Spottedwing 19:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I redid the ear. --Spottedwing 19:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Better colour. You need to make the shape more triangular though. Also, make the nose that colour too. I think she still needs more shading as some of it's barely visible. Use Bramble's Willowpelt for references as to where to put shading. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the lineart and added transparency for you. Though now the ear pink needs to be brought down a notch. You just need to do that and add some more shading, and then I think she will be ready for approval. -- Bramble My Realm 22:01, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Thanks a bunch Bramble. I added more shading. How does she look? --Spottedwing 22:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Much better. Just add a touch of shading on the corner of her near foreleg and go up until the end of the foreleg, and then move the ear pink downwards and get rid of that transparent pixel inside the ear. Then it can be approved, I believe. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 22:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. I did what you said. Hey Bramble if she does get approved, can I join? --Spottedwing 04:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to have an image approved to join, Spottedwing. Just say the word and one of the senior management team with add you to the template :) I think the nose is still too fluro and bright - make it the same colour as the ear pink is. This is really good though :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED Made the nose same colour as the ear pink. --Spottedwing 15:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Blur the shading some. Then you're good to go. -- Bramble My Realm 14:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED hows this? --Spottedwing 21:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading more.--Yai-Girl 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't think she needs more blurring, but in the process of blurring you smeered the lineart. Get rid of the excess on the background with the eraser, then try and fix the smeered lineart. Hang in there, you're almost done. -- Bramble My Realm 14:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED I'm actually liking this. Background is fixed, and I went over the lineart.--Spottedwing 21:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad, because soon it'll be up on her article. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 22:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Littlecloud (MC) - For Approval
You can hate it if you want to--Yai-Girl 05:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't hate it. I think the shading needs to be thicker and the tabby markings longer and more random. Also, the ear pink needs to be smaller and needs blending, and the eye needs a pupil and highlight. Good start though <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this better?--Yai-Girl 14:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The tabby markings and shading are too thick. Blend, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 16:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I edited the first Littlecloud I put up. Comments please.--Yai-Girl 17:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I got rid of the blob on his leg.--Yai-Girl 17:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

You need some more shading on his back, and the eye needs a highlight and a pupil in it as well as color. Also blur the tabby stripes a bit on the edges to make the transition less harsh, as well as on the ear pink. This is a very good first image, though, Yai. Was it worth all the trouble of posting? :) -- Bramble My Realm 18:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I made a pupil and I increased shading on Littlecloud's back but I don't know how to make a highlight and how to blend the ear and tabby markings.--Yai-Girl 19:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

There should be some sort of a blur tool if you're using pixlr, GIMP, or Photoshop. In Photoshop and GIMP it looks like a raindrop. And for a highlight on the eye, just add a pixel of white right beside the pupil, and also add some more blue. It's okay to color some of the eye lineart.

I think he should be a few shades lighter brown, he looks like a dark brown tabby. And if you have cats of the clans, look at his pic. I also think the ear should be a shade lighter. Hawkfire My Den 21:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Very good the tabby stripes could be a little more random. Other than that I see nothin wrong with it.User:Stonestar

I blurred the tabby markings and the pink ear and added a highlight. Any better?--Yai-Girl 16:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I also made the pink lighter.--Yai-Girl 00:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I made some of the tabby markings longer. Comments please.--Yai-Girl 15:11, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Blend the ear pink and add some more shading on the chest. Your doing good. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

He looks very nice now. Do what Warrior said and also add some small tabby markings on the head, and one that looks like this: ~ except turned next to the eye. Make sure it isn't touching the eye, just near it. When you add shading, it also needs to be more blurred. -- Bramble My Realm 14:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I increcsed shading on Littlecloud's chest and bulurd the ear more. I'm still working on the tabby markings.:)--Yai-Girl 17:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Snowbird - for approval


This is my first white cat since my Whitewing (shudders). I hope you like it. Sand wich  989  23:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

This is really nice! I think that the white parts need to be a bit whiter though, as it is obvious that it is gray, not white. (I know why you made it gray =) ) Overall though, this is really nice. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Made it less more gray. Sand wich  989  19:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading is too dark, can you blend it more.--Yai-Girl 00:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Or lower the exposure level and redo it. The shading is very dark. -- Bramble My Realm 11:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Redid her. Sand wich  989  19:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading is better now, but the ear looks lavender; can you make it a more light pink color? -- Bramble My Realm 14:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ear (I hope) Sand wich  989  18:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Mudfur - For Approval


This is my first Charart i didnt know how to do shading i could use a few tips on shading i use Gimp.User:Stonestar


 * First, both ears don't need pink in them, only the near one. Seconf use the darken and lighten tools (lso called the burn(darken) and dodge(lighten) tools) to add more green transitions on the herbs like Cinderpelt and Yellowfang.


 * For shading use the darken tool on the back and chest and head and tail and legs and everywhere else. then blend it with the teardrop shaped tool and even it out with the smudge tool if you need to. Highlights are a little hard, but use the dodge tool in the palces you need to. Don't try shading like Honeyfern, Ashfoot, andWhite-eye even though it looks good if you aren't experienced enough. oneday, you can try when you're more experienced. If you have troubles, just ask Bramble, the leader, Sandy, the deputy, or me, GB, and Darkhallows, the senior warriors. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, take the pink off the far ear. We are looking at the back of it, where there is no pink! =D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 07:09, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, the ear pink on the ear it's supposed to be on is too big. Otherwise, just shade it. :) Silver  tree  ♥  12:42, 9 July, 2009 (UTC)

Charart tutorial

 * I was thinking of typing a Warriors Wiki:Charart/Tutorial, and having new users look at it the introduce themselves and look at the other warriors, plus have the other multiple members post ways to shade kits, medicine cats, apprentices, etc. Also it could show proper PCA etiquette such as not posting past the limit and not posting a blank/cat someone else is doing. Any opinions? --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a good idea. However, i can'tdecide whether I prefer this idea or the mentors one. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is a cool idea. Adding shading techniques and proper PCA etiquette for newer members would help a lot, and it would all be on one page. This is similar to Darkhallows' idea, about a guide to shading, except with a few extra bits thrown in. I'd be glad to contribute to this. What does everyone else think? (Dawn, there isn't a reason we can't do both *evil grin* :) -- Bramble My Realm 11:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea of mentoring, the senior warriors and the experienced warriors mentoring the new users, it's like a Clan. The Sr. warriors and warriors shall teach their appprentices about the PCA. and how to make charcats. Then when their ready to be made into warriors, we have a ceremony. :) I like this idea a lot. Hawkfire My Den 15:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hollypaw(A) - For Approval
Here's Hollypaw. Don't really have anything else to say...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 15:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good, just add some more shading, I can barely see it. Hawkfire My Den 19:59, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There's a little smudge coming from the eye, and the color of the ear could be lighter like the warrior version. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 15:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Add shading, lightened the ear, and fixed the eye smudge.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Ferncloud(Ki) - For Approval
She isn't as good as her other versions, but I though I should have a go at her anyway. Any coments/critcism? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Dawnfeather, sometimes I wonder why we don't just upload your images straight to the approved section, then go back and look for flaws. THIS IS FREAKING AWESOME. The only thing is that it doesn't look like there's any shading. I can see some on her butt/hip area, but none anywhere else. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 04:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I made the shading stronger. What do you think now? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 07:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Vacker! She is ready for approvaling, I think. I'll give some other people time to comment, though, in case there's any tiny thing. :) -- Bramble My Realm 14:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

This really is beautiful. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 23:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Sunnytail(De) - For Approval


Here's Sunnytail as a deputy! I saw that someone has a file of her as a warrior already, and if it's up for approval I'll have to edit my deputy accordingly. This is my first deputy, and first longhaired cat. Do you think I should've made her eyes green to cut down on the orangeness? Constructments please! (I stole your word, Sandy! :P) --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 04:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * EDIT1 I lightened all shading, and blurred the shading on the neck a little bit so it doesn't stand out as much. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You're telling me I should upload my things onto the main page, but THIS IS REALLY AMAZINGLY AWESOME! Approvalingnessment is needed here i thinks is needed here. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

If I wasn't leader I'd be just sitting her with my mouth dropped open and stare at that image for two whole hours. :) I'll just go with this: She is beautiful beautiful beautiful! The only thing I can see you tweaking is that neck shading; it stands out a bit because it's rather dark and sharpens to a point. Other than that, I'll repeat what Dawn said; approvalingnessment is needed here. lol. -- Bramble My Realm 14:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Part of the tail is basically black with shading, but otherwise I agree with Bramble and Dawnfeather. Boltstar 14:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

§ Dawnfeather lulz approvalingnessment? :D Wow, thanks! I don't see anything of mine comparing with yours, but if you say so. § Bramble haha thanks! I'm working on the shadings... § Boltstar Will fix, thank you! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval? She's beautiful. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Rockpaw (Ki) - For Approval


The first of Clovertail's lively kits. Constructments? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:20, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Aw, he's cute. Only thing maybe is could you turn the eyes amber? They look like spotlights, they're kind of bright. Also blur the shading a little bit. -- Bramble My Realm 18:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightpelt For Approval
This is Nightpelt, ShadowClan's leader Nightstar as a warrior. He's my very first character art so tell me what ever I could do to make it better! --Nightflight 20:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The eye needs to be bigger and amber instead of red, and the right ear needs to show the inside, and it looks like the back is lower in the middle. Boltstar 20:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Your shading style is lovely, it looks like his pelt is gleaming. But the black needs to be lighter so we can see the lineart. You can look at Hollyleaf, Nightcloud or Breezepelt for reference. Use this: for reference on how to do the eye. Also, I thought Nightpelt was short-haired. But that's all, he looks great other wise. -- Bramble My Realm 21:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I re-uploaded it. I hope it's still shaded okay. And it says that he's a "old, long furred tom."--Nightflight 21:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the eye looks absolutely beautiful. The new black color is okay, in my opinion. Boltstar 22:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Very nice eye. And his color is now great and shading still remains good, cept it needs to be blurred just a bit. :) I took it off thumbnail, so I could better look at it. Can you tell me where it said he's long furred? Also; you blurred some of the lineart; on the tip of the head, right beside the ear, in the middle of the back, and on part of the tail. You need to replace the lineart in those spots. This is a great first image. -- Bramble My Realm 22:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

It says that he's long furred on his page, Nightstar. --Nigthflight 22:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I need a book reference. There's an anon running around that loves to add false details into descriptions. All Nightpelt is in the books I've read is an old black tom. -- Bramble My Realm 22:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I've checked every book he's in and mentioned; he's not longhaired. I changed his article, as well. Sorry for the mixup. :) I can convert him to shorthaired, if you want. I won't change anything you've done with his coloring. -- Bramble My Realm 23:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Flowerstem(W) - For Approval
Again with the name peoples! HOnestly! Hmmm, now I upload her, the ginger looks a bit dark, but I'll get your opinion before I change it. Coments/critcism? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the ginger is a very nice shade. Here, let's break up the monotony a bit: Inget fel som jag kan se. See if you can guess what that means, Dawn. :) And yeah, Flowerstem? We need to talk to the Erins. Flowerpelt would have been better than this. -- Bramble My Realm 23:43, 9 July 2009 (UTC)