Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Tumblekit
tumblekit is called a tabby tom once in dawn, vs two times in twilight as a black she-kit. in my onion it should be changed, considering it's what we did for thistlepaw. 19:19, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

I wondering if it's an assumption the she-cat is Tumblekit. In Dawn Dawnflower has two kits (Tumblekit is one), but in Twilight she magically has Minnowkit, Pebblekit and a black she-kit. I think we cannot assume this is Tumblekit. They could have been older kits and became apprentices when the Clans settled and Dawnflower had more kits or something. 05:07, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think they're older kits, but I think you're right in it possibly not being tumblekit. she's never identified by name, only ever called a black she-kit. 11:35, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 04:02, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hello? 06:59, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's an assumpation and it probably should be changed. 01:34, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

three against nil, do we need anymore comments? 00:20, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

If it's an assumption, then it's an assumption. There shouldn't need to be anything else about it.

Slate
Does this cite actually prove that Slate is in StarClan? It honestly seems more like a "what would happen if she joined StarClan" sort of thing (based on the wording with "would" and stuff) rather than a confirmation that this was did happen, that Slate died and now resided in StarClan, at least to me. I don't really know, it might be proof, I just wanted to bring it up. 01:04, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm almost positive that there's another cite that confirms that one- I'll see if I can find it tomorrow. imo, it seems good enough for me, but it should have been discussed before removing it.

Yeah It's not really a confirmation. The cite for Dark Forest cats too, she says they would make cool Dark Forest cats. That does not say they are Dark Forest cats. I don't even think One Eye believes in Spirit-cats, so they're breaking their own rules of "cats outside of the Clans will not go to StarClan or the Dark Forest if they do not believe in StarClan." Or in this case, Spirit-cats. 04:14, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Stealth, it doesn't matter. Kate gave a very clear "yes" to the Dark Forest comment, so we need to keep that.

I don't think that the Slate cite really proves that she is a StarClan cat either :/ It really was a 'what if' question (although the person who asked did say "do you think he would chose Turtle Tail over Slate once she joins StarClan with Gray wing?) But anyways, I personally don't think that it proves that Slate joined Starclan 23:17, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 02:27, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

I think it does confirm Slate is in StarClan. That's my opinion though. 02:38, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Is it just me? Or does the link not link to anything... --3.141592654A (talk) 10:14, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Nine lives box?
I just had this idea. Since the information for nine lives is at the bottom, how about we move it up so people will see it more often? It could become part of the character boxes for leaders, if that's possible. I don't know anything about box coding so I could be speaking nonsense. XD Still, I think it'll be a great idea.

That's honestly not necessary. If people want to look for it, they can look for it, it's there it's on their page. It's not like it's invisible. Even though it is hard to spot, no one will over look it if they're specifically looking for that 21:42, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's good enough where it is. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I actually disagree, and I think it's a very good idea to try and implement. If the nine lives are so important to the Warriors series (it's what defines a leader, and cats don't always accept their leader without nine lives), then it probably shouldn't just be tossed down on the bottom of the page like that. If possible, we can always add it in a drop-down or something like that on the character template. Seriously, it's a vital part of a leader's time in their Clan, and should be treated with a bit more importance.

I agree that it's fine already and there's no need to change it. 03:12, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think Jayce has a point here. Way back when I was just an Anon browsing pages, ( nearly four years ago now...geez ) I had no idea the Nine Lives box was there until I discovered it totally by accident at the bottom. A dropdown box bellow...I don't know, maybe book mentions? On leader's charcats with an overview of their nine lives isn't a bad idea, and it wouldn't be too hard to add in. It is a vital part of their time as a leader, so it should be a little more noticeable on the page. 14:54 Tue Dec 22

Exactly, Berry. It doesn't have to be a dropdown, but.. it should be somewhere else on the page. It's hardly considered important if it's just thrown down on the bottom of the page.

Hmm, maybe there is a point. It seemed to be originally belong to the ceremony section but it's drifted to quotes. I think the box could have like it's own tab that says "Nine Lives" at least. It's too hidden. 00:20, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes but it would make a lot of clutter on the charcat template and honestly, if users are looking for that and can't bother to control f / search down until they find it that's their own problem. 19:00, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Blue Whisker ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Oh sheesh I was working on her. Oh well. I'll do Honey Pelt. Can you detail the history a bit more? I have a version very similar to Bubbling Stream's and Spider Paw's, I don't mind leaving it to you if you want. 02:06, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Never mind. I just wrote her history a while ago so I thought I'd nominate her as well. I'll leave this to you.

Oh thankyou! :) I'll take over. 03:32, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Updated 03:58, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Same as before- there are a lot of simple and short sentences. Especially in the first paragraph, and I actually started to lose focus a bit. Is there any way to give a bit more detail and variation to the article? Also, is it necessary to give Spider paw, Bubbling Stream, and Blue Whisker almost the same summary? Honestly, they are each their own character and their articles should not be almost similar like that. Personalize the article for each character.

The sentences are fine. 03:13, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

As I said before, no, it's not fine. They are very short and very easy to lose focus on. I've been seeing this a lot with newer articles, and if I can nip it now, then perhaps we can stop this. We are an encyclopedia, so we should have articles that are written as such.

Still working stealth? 01:32, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah just a bit annoyed I have to go through when I worked hard XD but I see why. I'm going through Bubbling Stream right now. 01:37, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Nope. I'm withdrawing, can't seem to make myself do it. 04:42, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Can I take over? 04:59, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yep. No problems here. 05:22, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Night (Ro)
Just gonna get straight to the point. Shouldn't Night be renamed to Night (ES)? She isn't exactly a rogue anymore. 21:53, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I was going to bring this up before then suddenly forgot. XD 22:07, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

If she's now an Early settler rather than a rogue, then I'd say it should be renamed. --3.141592654A (talk) 06:58, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Done. She's not a rogue, so there's no need for further discussion. 07:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

As I said before, and I was very much ignored, it seems... a couple people is not a proper discussion. A page cannot and should not be moved whenever a new book is released. It should be their first appearance. Otherwise, so many of these "FQ" characters would need to be renamed to SD, SAS (SkyClan and the Stranger), ect. Or even OS characters would need to be renamed if they appeared later. Seriously, this excessive page renaming needs to stop, especially when the administrators are not told. It's not always "oh a new book came out time to rename pages". Honestly, have a proper discussion before renaming pages. I have reverted Night's page until more people comment; and tbh, I think her page name is fine. Her initial appearance was her as a rogue, and that's perfectly acceptable to have that as a page name.

This instance is not about book appearances though, this is about a cat's identity. In this case, Night is no longer identified as a rogue, I think it should be renamed. --3.141592654A (talk) 10:11, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'd certainly say the page name is FINE, but considering that she is not a rogue, it could mislead certain users thinking she is a rogue, not an early settler. I'd agree with π on this one- I'm sorry, SnowedLightning, it's just that I don't think it'd be very accurate if we left it has a rogue, even if page naming is excessive. By that logic, Firestar could be named Firestar (KP) even though he isn't a kitty pet. .incandescentflame (talk) 10:47, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

...well, unless we have another cat named Firestar, and I doubt we ever will because of his status as one of the main characters of the series, then we don't need to call him Firestar (KP). He'd be Firestar (PB), or something like that. In all honesty, I think it should stay as rogue. We use first appearances for other important issues, so why not here as well? 11:01 Thu Dec 31

She's not a rogue though. She's an early settler. To name her article with a (ro) would be kind of implying that she is one now, which is false.

@incandescentflame, no that wouldn't work, as he didn't go by "Firestar" when he was a kittypet, he went by Rusty. So the only name that would work for that is "Rusty (KP)", "Rusty (BP)", "Rusty (ITW)", or "Rusty (OS/OA)" (not using OS/OA as the page name; it would be one or the other). It's not implying she's a rogue now- it's showing what identified her when her respective first book was released. Honestly, the amount of excessive page renaming is getting way out of hand. First appearances should be just as justified.

That might not work, but that isn't the point of my argument- it would mislead users. Firestar was just an example. If Night is named a rogue, then no doubt it would mislead users into thinking that she IS one, and consequently, it would most definitely imply what she is in the present, not the past. I still disagree to leaving it as it is- also, I'm sure that renaming pages should correspond with what is needed- EVEN if it is excessive. Also, Berry, again, it doesn't matter if Firestar wouldn't work- it was just an example. There was no need to pick on it like that. .incandescentflame (talk) 12:02, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's not misleading at all? A quick check of the article, charart, and citations would clearly show that Night is her name both as a rogue and early settler. I fail to see exactly why a page name would be necessary; it's not like she changed her name or anything. She's still known as Night, and there isn't anything that could even remotely come off as confusing. I could see if she changed her name to... like... Night Shade (lmao) or something along those lines, and we misrepresented her as Night, but since the names are the same, it really doesn't matter what her page is called. These other pages, like Tom and Clover, were renamed without a proper discussion. Just because users have the ability to rename pages, doesn't mean they should without consensus.

If a quick check would say everything, then why have this wikia at all? This is a rank, and not a book appearance. To be quite frank, the Night known as a rogue and the Night known as a ES are quite different cats, with different responsibilities, life styles, and etc. I don't quite understand why there is such a huge argument over this merely because page name changing is excessive- she isn't a rogue right now, she is a ES, and renaming the article respects that. .incandescentflame (talk) 12:31, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

regardless of this, it should really be agreed upon first, to make sure everyones ok with it. and one or two users isnt an agreement, while anyone opposed to it for whatever reason gets a chance to expkain why. 12:35, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think her current page name is misleading, because she was a rogue in her first appearance, and Night was still her name as both a rogue and early settler. It would make more sense to base it on first appearance otherwise we'd just have to be constantly renaming pages to keep up with new releases, which would be extremely unnecessary. Naming her as Night (Ro) would not be incorrect in any way based on her past appearances, therefore I think the page name should stay. 17:12, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

While I do think that there definitely should have been more of a discussion and an admin should have been informed before the page was renamed, I personally think that she should be renamed to ES, because she's not a rogue anymore. Also, since there are lots of articles beginning with 'night', if someone searches "Night" she doesn't come up, and if they were to search 'Night (Es)' and there was no redirect, they might not find her or know what the page is called. 22:32, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes but Night is not a rogue. She is an early settler now and should be treated as such. 11:18, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Swift
There is a cat not on the wiki swift from river clan (mothflights vision chapter 18 don't know page number, reading on kindle)

00:28, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

'Swift' is actually a typo that they made for several pages. Moss Tail was mistakenly called Swift a few times in MFV, but Swift is not a separate cat. 01:25, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oh ok thank you for clearing that up 10:25, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering if users would get confused. I think a redirect page for Moss Tail and his mistaken name is a good idea. 21:51, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that seems good to have a rederict page for Swift. But isn't there a cat called Swift Minnow? Was he Swift prior to getting that name? 18:59, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

No, her name was Minnow before she got her Clan name. 22:40, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

However, there is a cat called Swift from TFB, just saying. 23:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Moss Tail. A redirect will suffice in this case. The Swift from The First Battle isn't the same character.

Minor Characters (again)
So! Finally, I was able to get the template over to this wiki. If you've forgotten, this is what we had planned for the minor characters page. So, before we make the page, is there any last minute things I should fix up? Or should we just go right ahead and make it? 15:50 Thu Dec 31

Great job Berry! :) I just want discuss who exactly we are putting there. Characters we wouldn't give a page? Like that gray she-cat in the prologue of SkyClan's Destiny? Are we giving a section for all unnamed characters like Dappletail's Kit and The Old She-cat (ROS)? 21:47, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

From my understanding it was always going to just be characters way, way too minor for their own page; I suppose those characters would count, but they have their own pages now, and history sections that are longer than a couple of sentences...so, yes, just characters like that grey she-cat. 01:49 Fri Jan 1

Sandstorm
I was told to bring this here. I was re-reading Firestar's Quest and I came across that Sandstorm was acting as temporary medicine cat to SkyClan, and she had Echosong as an unofficial apprentice (idk if that's in there or not but w/e). Shouldn't she get a mc image for that? I mean if Runningnose gets a temp leader and deputy image for being temporary, she should get one too. Also I'd like to rejoin as well. 17:09, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

I'll add you back in right now and I don't really know if she'd get that. I mean, in my opinion Runningnose shouldn't have those as he wasn't official, but I presume if he had those then Sandstorm might as well. I don't know what the others think so take my opinion with a grain of rice. 18:57, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Runningnose was very much official, both in his roles of leader and deputy. Those were stated within Tigerclaw's Fury. He was leader for... well over half a moon, and it wasn't just a day or two. If it was a day or two, like a stand-in, it wouldn't count.. But Runningnose specifically say that he was "playing the role of deputy", and then once Nightstar died, he was very much ShadowClan's leader until the prophecy with Tigerclaw. I think Sandstorm would count as well, since she very much played the rule for a good period of time, and trained Echosong.

I agree, Sandstorm deserves to get a medicine cat picture 22:37, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Owl Song ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to the people who worked on it. I just did a minor fix, comments? 04:56, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

To the best of my memory, it never stated what Clan she was in or if she was even in a Clan, so isn't her being in WindClan an assumtion? 23:48, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Beech ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to those who worked on it before me. Comments? 05:18, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

When Willow Tail was dying in MFV, Red Claw asked why she was mad at her and she said it was because her (female) friend was dead, and since Beech was the only female to die (unless that's an assumption), I think maybe add that brief mentioning in MFV? Unless that's an assumption to assume it was her who Willow Tail was talking of, in which case it could be mentioned in the trivia? 23:31, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Updated It's obvious it's her, and it's a fact via process of elimination. Beech, Stone and Frog died around that time, and Beech is the only female. Hence, it is her. 23:55, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Rain (DoTC) ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to those who worked on him before me. The main quote isn't very good so if anyone wants me to I can get rid of it. Comments? 23:45, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

I guess it's the best you can get, other than that he is not dumb seems a bit better to me. Anywho, can you cut off the ending of the history and quote? Where it talks about Slash and Violet being mates instead of about Rain. 23:58, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with the history how it was. It's clearly still having everything to do with Rain, and it's fine. Cutting it off like that makes the article ending look choppy, and since it's all in the same scene, it's perfectly acceptable.