Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Gallery Back Covers - Silver Nomination
I got all the books. All I need to do is rename the images to fit the Book Covers. 01:39, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Looks great! I actually nominated it bronze today and was hoping to make it silver, but you did better than what I could have done! 03:05, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's funny. I saw that it on the project page in the chart, and was about to change it, then I saw you already did. :3 03:30, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, yeah! :P 20:43, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :D 15:44, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Should we be adding in Crookedstar's Promise (and the SkyClan ones, for that matter), since it comes out next week? And are these the back covers for the hardcover editions? Because the one I have for Outcast is different.  Law liet  Me ow 22:01, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we should add those in anyway. There must be different versions of the back cover. Can you try to find a picture of the back cover you have online? Then we can see if Moonflight should add that in. 02:24, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

There must be two versions. Some versions have a book summery and others have a list of books. Some books have one, some have the other, and some might have both. So, we'll each have to search our books and scan them if necessary. 02:28, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

SquirrelFlame, this is the one that I have. I get most of my books in paperback, so I think they vary from the hardcovers. I can go through and check mine if I have to (since I have all the books up to Crookedstar's Promise, which I'll get sometime this week).  Law liet  Me ow 01:03, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. You check through yours, and see if they're the same. If not, you can add it in. 17:40, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, a lot of mine already match what is up there, aside from one or two paperbacks. But, it doesn't really bother me. 00:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I've looked, and this is missing a few covers. It's missing the one for Crookedstar's Promise and also the new SkyClan manga, The Rescue. What's going on with this? Is it still being worked on? 06:23, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

If not, I can take over. But let's wait for a day or two more. 18:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, it's been two days. Squirrel, if you want this, you make take it. 15:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go about fixing it. 19:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... I've been trying to get the back covers from the internet, but Crookedstar's Promise and The Rescue are fairly new books, so I can't get them. Help? 16:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I found alternate versions for quite a few of the books, so where should I put them? Right nest to the other version? 17:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

If you can find the Harper Collins browse inside for them, then you should be able to screen shot it, and crop it to size. For alternate versions I would suggest that the main version should be the US edition (as with the front covers) and any alternates (eg. softcover, UK1, UK2) should be put under foreign language, or perhaps a new section entitled 'English alternate'. The question is: should the hardcover or softcover version be seen as the main version? 17:20, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should use the hardcover ones. After all, those are the ones that first came out, and often enough, the ones that people have. I know from Sunrise on, I have all hardcover, and all of the Super Editions I have are hardcover as well. 17:25, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

We need to fully figure out which covers are for which edition, and lay it down, because it's confusing me. 17:30, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point. I have a rough time figuring out which ones are which, myself. However, it's not something I'm good at, so, Sandy, can you help us out a bit? 17:34, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I think I have a rough idea of which are the hardcovers and paperbacks. For example, for Midnight, the hardcover is this, and the paperback is this. Am I right? 17:38, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd have said the other way around myself... I can tell you with all certainty that of the ones on the page as it stands, ITW through Starlight are the US paperback versions. So ideally, these need replacing with the hardcover versions and then the paperback versions need moving to the bottom of the page alongside the UK versions. If possible it would be nice to get some more UK versions, both UK1 and UK2 as there are two editions, plus maybe some for other languages. I know Helice uploaded some French ones, but if possible we could try and get the Chinese or German versions etc. I think the main priority needs to be to get the US hardcover versions in place where possible for all releases up to this point. Then the page should be good enough for silver grade. I think getting foreign covers is gold grade work, personally. (: 18:15, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, got it. I'm going to be uploading a lot of images. This is the first time I feel as if I'm actually contributing to PB! :P I have the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise and I'm going to upload it on soon. 18:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone check to make sure I named the back cover of Crookedstar's Promise right? And also if I did the right stuff on the Gallery page? Also, I looked on HarperCollins for the back cover of the hardcover version of Into the Wild, but it matches the one already on there, so is that already hardcover? 18:31, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, since no one answered my question, I did what I could. Comments? 02:01, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry about that. Anyways, the back cover should be named "BK-SE-4". I'm sure you can ask Misty or one of the others to change it, or reupload it underneath that file name, and delete the other. Also, you need the back of CP without the dust cover. The back of SkyClan #1 is missing. Is there an alternate for Dawn? And, also, the alternate hardcover and paperback ones are bothering me. I have a paperback version, with the same back as the "hardcover" version. Okay, I'm done now. XD 02:14, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Done, I asked Mistystar to rename everything and she did. Sorry to keep bothering you guys, but how do I get the back cover underneath the dustcover for Crookedstar's Promise? And for the SkyClan one, both the back covers are there, so what do you mean? I'm still looking for the Dawn alternate though. 19:23, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, found the Dawn alternate. 19:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Oi. Should have been more descriptive. SkyClan manga #1, I meant. The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes have had paperback volumes released, so remember to grab those in your spare time as well. I'm not sure how to get 'em on there though, because that's not my strong point... 00:30, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I'm so good at this... The Rescue doesn't have a Browse Inside yet, or at least I think so. So I can't get the back cover of that. And I can't find the paperback versions of The Fourth Aprentice or Fading Echoes either. Can anyone point me to a useful link or something? ☀  S q  u  i  r  r  e  l  F  l  a  m  e  2  9 ☀   Finally   Cooling   it   Down  19:34, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Link for the paperback browse inside for TFA. You can take a screen shot of the back cover. Link for paperback browse inside for Fading Echoes. I can't find one for The Rescue, but I'm going to buy the book tomorrow, so if you can wait, I can upload you a scanned back. =) 03:05, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you make me look stupid. I can't believe I didn't check HarperCollins! :P And thanks a ton, for offering to get me a scanned back! :) ☀  S q  u  i  r  r  e  l  F  l  a  m  e  2  9 ☀   Finally   Cooling   it   Down  21:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It happens. I just happened to be checking out HarperCollins anyways. Also, I preordered The Rescue today, and should have it by next week. So, if you don't find a back by then, let me know, and I'll still scan it for you. =) 02:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon - Silver Nomination
I think I did a pretty good job with Sign of the Moon, what do you guys think? I think it's summarized fairly well. 01:04, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good, but the Plot Summary should be expanded, and it needs a publication list. Also, take a look at the cliffnotes, as they need to be finsihed. =)  Law liet  Li ght 01:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it could certainly be expanded. I think you should add more references to the trivia and add another cover to the gallery. I think there's an e-book or something. 02:46, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

So, all the other links need to be ready before the main article can be ready? 13:58, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

E-books don't need covers; none of the books have them in the galleries. E-books just need to be in the publication list. 16:14, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Right, I knew that! ;) But, yes. I'm pretty sure that the other links need to be ready before it can be nominated. 17:47, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they do. 16:51, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll work on that in a little bit (I'm not feeling well right now) so I just thought I'd let you know. But shouldn't it be at least bronze, not "started"? 20:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the main article is good enough to be bronze right now. I'll go change that. 22:30, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Can the summary be expanded just a little bit? 00:17, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Ivystripe? Are you still working on this? If not, I'll have to let someone else claim this. 06:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The author and cover artist need citing. Is there also a jacket designer? I assume this was released in hardback and would therefore potentially have one. The publication list also needs citations before this can become silver. These are all relatively small fixes. I'd do them myself, but I don't have the book. I also wanted to point out that anyone can work on this no matter who nominated it. No one can 'claim' or 'reserve' a book page... 21:27, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, since Ivy's not working on this, I'll take it over from here. I'll go and cite all of that now. It was released in hardback, I know, because I have it. 14:51, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The paragraphs look kind of short and choppy. Can you combine them a little? 20:04, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Give me a bit, and I'll work on this. 20:06, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I cited some of the trivia and finished the cliffnotes. 17:02, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Icey. =) I'll finish up the summary now. 17:13, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm slowly fixing this up. If anyone feels they need to add anything in, be my guest. 04:13, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Characters not included in the Allegiances
Should they be added to the allegiances page, or just left alone? Now, you all know my opinion on this, but, I think I should get the opinions of the other users before any type of decision is made. So, comments, anyone? 02:40, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Hi all. First, we should decide what is an Allegiance article.
 * Is it supposed to be a verbatim copy of the "allegiances" pages as published in the book?
 * Is it supposed to list all characters appearing in the book, regardless of the list given by the authors?

I have no problem with the second option, i.e. include characters that were left out or forgotten from the list, in a separate section. However, to avoid future debates, we should decide what should be included, and what not.
 * Should we include only named characters, or unnamed ones (e.g. Leafstar's Mother) as well?
 * Should we include only cats, or other creatures and humans (e.g. Pack Leader) as well?
 * Should we include groups (e.g. The Pack), or only individuals?

Kind regards, 08:26, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I feel as if it should list every character that appeared in the book, to gives a heads up to other users reading the article. 12:03, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm is right. It wouldn't make sense to a reader if they don't see all the characters listed. I think that all characters should be included, including cats like Leafstar's Mother. The list included in the book isnt even by any of the Erins - it's the editor that makes them. 13:20, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, any cat/animal that has it's own page on this wiki needs to be put on the page. It makes sense to list all the characters, not just the few that show up in the allegiances. I think groups shouldn't be included as groups have many characters, but individual ones such as Pack Leader need to be listed. 18:21, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

What about cats born during the book? 19:18, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. I think those should be listed separately too. 19:20, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. This would also mean including Dovekit and Ivykit in the allegiances of Sunrise, as an example. 19:22, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

So the allegiances would then have a spolier warning section too? 19:24, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

It would seem that way. I see nothing wrong with it. 01:01, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I suggest that, to avoid making allegiances into completely spoiler-enclosed articles, a section should be added to the bottom of the article labeled "Appeared by were not Listed" (or something similar) and that ends up in spoiler tags. I think that's a suitable "middle ground" to get them included, but keep the allegiances themselves faithful to what was in the books. 01:14, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, that a really good idea. Thanks for your input, Kitsu. 01:21, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

So, guys. It's been quite a bit without comments. We need to come to a final conclusion. Are we going to include cats (and other animals, perhaps) not included in the allegiances? The discussion looked good for a while, but it kinda died. I personally love Kitsu's idea, because we get to keep the basic allegiances, as well as including those that were not previously listed. 18:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise ~ Silver Nomination
Yes, I know it's not done yet. I'm claiming it for myself, though, since it's been a while since I've nominated anything. 21:28, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

You might already be working on this - but cite the trivia. 15:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Just letting you know I'll have this done after I finish up SotM. =) 20:43, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. 17:57, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

The Rescue ~ Silver Nomination
So yeah.....like Crookedstar's Promise, it's not done yet. I'm gonna fix it up, so this is basically a reservation. xD 02:11, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Is there any trivia? 15:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add it soon.....sorry for not working on this a lot. 02:15, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

No worries, Rainey. Sometimes people just get busy. Work on it when you can. =) 02:39, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe I'm doing this but............I'm giving up on this nomination. I don't have time to work on this. If anyone wants to take over, that would be great. If not, then either me or Cloudy will archive it. So......anybody want this nomination? 14:30, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'd take it, but I have my hands full, and I don't get the book until later this week. If someone else wants it, they can have it. Hmm... Squirrel, Ice or Misty, do you want it? 20:17, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I would, but I'm not getting the book until "approximately 95 days" according to the library, so someone else can. :P 03:03, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Articles
On some articles, such as Warriors Translations and Don Hudson, there is a PB tag. I think these articles would be better suited in the new project, Project Reality, as they are based on things in the real world. What does everyone else think? 23:18, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think that Warriors Translations should stay with PB, because it has to do with the books themselves. As for the other one, I'm not sure why it's in the PB category, as it's a person. I have no problem with Don Hudson becoming part for Reality, but I think that Translations should stay with Books. 23:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudskye. 02:14, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, but it still resolves around the real world. Dod Hundson should go there, but I'm not sure about Translations. 17:56, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think it should belong with PB because like Cloudy said, it has to do with the books themselves. The Project Mission is: "Project Books is targeted towards the completion of all information relating directly to the books and the text they contain." The translations are information relating directly to the books, so they should belong here. 19:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Although, I was looking the the translation page, and it seems that there's more to it then just the books. It also has a list of characters and what their names are in other languages. This could be difficult to decide, because it's not just relating to the books, but also some of the characters and terms. *rethinks what she said earlier* 17:29, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, sorry if I seem stubborn. Even though the character words are there, the actuall names are the text contained within the books. This project is related to the books and the text they contain, so I think it should still belong here. Yes, I'm a stubborn person. ;) 22:24, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

You're not stubborn. You're entitled to your own opinion. This isn't where "whatever Kelsey says goes". PB is a project where everyone's opinion is welcome, and valued. You're right about PB being about the books and the text they contain. I'd like to get everyone's opinion on this. If I see Helice on Skype, I'll ask his opinion on this as well. 18:42, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Images for Book Templates
Yeah, y'all know what I'm talking about. You know when you click on a book article and that shows up. Well, I noticed that two of the short stories are missing images. After Sunset: The Right Choice? and The Elders' Concern. What I was thinking, was that since AS:TRC focus around Brambleclaw, we could use that. And for TEC, we could possibly use Dappletail. So, any ideas, comments or concerns? 14:50, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe for TEC, we could do a collabration of all the elders featured in the story together? (Like...er...the couple userboxes, something like that) 17:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That would be a good idea. Or, we could go back into the book where it supposedly takes place, and figure out which one was the most concerned about it, and place them in the template. 18:02, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, yes. But I like the collabration idea better. 18:04, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but how would we go about making an image like that? And first, we'd have to find out who was involved. I don't have the app, so I can't read it. 18:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like Icestorm's idea. Anyone who has the app, please list which characters are in TEC. 08:08, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Halftail, Dappletail, Smallear, Patchpelt and One-eye are the elders. It doesn't really focus around one elder, rather all five of them together. 14:47, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Then is there a way to make an image with all of them together, AND make it look good? I may try something, but I can't promise it'll be good. 20:10, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Mission of Mercy ~ Silver Nomination
I know it's hardly started, but I'm going to be filling it up soon. 19:35, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad someone's doing these. I don't care for the adventure games...so that's why I'm not working on them. I'd rather books. Thanks a lot, Squirrel! 18:39, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

What Can I do?
Hello! Does anyone have an idea on what I could do? I haven't been online in a while and for that I apoligize. Thanks! ♥Firestar♥Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 18:41, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, Firestar. Thing happen. I understand, as I can be inactive myself. The first thing you can do to help out... Well, do you see that list on the main page for PB. It's called a Concerns List, and it has a bunch of things that could be done to clean up an article. What you could do is look at one or two things on that list, and work on them. I'm glad that you really want to help us out. PB is such a small (but really vital) part of the wiki. 18:45, August 6, 2011 (UTC)