Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Warrior Status
The other leads were chatting, and we all kind of came to the conclusion and agreement that we need to eliminate one of the ways that people become warriors. We've decided that it doesnt matter how many chararts you have approved, you still need to go through the nomination process. Because right now the system isnt working, its like you get nominated and then half way through it you get your third charart apporved and its just a mix up. So ya thats a new thing. 19:45, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. Just 'cause you've gotten three images approved doesn't mean you're necessarily ready to be a warrior. 22:33 Mon Oct 10

As much as I hate to admit it XD You're right. This way it's fairer. 06:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

This is quite fair. I'm getting tired of seeing users ask to become warriors because they have the right amount of chararts. You should earn your warrior rank, just like warriors need to work to earn their senior warrior rank. 06:26, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

May I ask if an apprentice hasn't got 3 chararts approved but they have warrior qualities can they get nominated as a warrior. It's probally not likely but just asking.  Owl   X    G    l    itt    er   4LIFE..    The colors of fall 08:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being in this chat - any chats at all, actually, but I agree. 15:54, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. 15:57, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

That is what she is saying, Owl. The how many pixils you got approved rule has been thrown out the window, and you only get nominated if you show a warrior skill level, such as terrific charart and you are always critiquing others, helping them and such, and being active in discussions here about the project. 16:00, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this one. One thought, though. People are always saying how people need to do more types of cat pelts when they are nominated. Do types apply to this? Great idea, though. 23:30, October 13, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I don't think that would be fair, honestly. Look at me, I'm a senior warrior and my tabby and tortie skills aren't all the best. I'm much better with solid/bi-colored cats (ie; Oakheart, Whitefang and Magpie), then I am with any other pelt style. Telling someone that they can't become a warrior/senior warrior because they don't have enough tabbies or torties or any other pelt style is outrageous. If their skill is noticed, and they're nominated, you shouldn't lower their self-esteem by telling them no because "you haven't done enough of this pelt style". Some people aren't good with certain things, simple as that. 02:23, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, no, Skye, you misunderstood me. I was asking, not proposing that. I'm sorry for the mix-up. I personally think it's unfair too. Sorry, Skye. :( 16:24, October 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

No, Shade, I got what you meant. I was just posting my opinion on that matter. I don't like seeing things like that said on someone's nomination. It's demoralizing. 03:00, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay, and I think doing a solid colored cat and a tabby cat doesn't make much of a difference. You just need to add stripes and blur it! <font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall  00:14, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Owl, that's where you're wrong. A tabby and a solid colored cat are different in difficulty. I know this for a fact, because I'm much better with solids then I am tabbies. Trust me, they're not the same. Frankly, I don't think it matters. If the user can prove their skills, why in the world would they have to do a certain pelt type? I hate tabbies, and if you look on my Chararts page, you'll that most of mine are in fact solid/bi-colored cats, because that's what I specialize in. 19:13, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

All right, I get your point now. Thanks <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 08:15, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Something that needs to be addressed
Ok, I just recently found something on the chararats needing to be redone list. Now, I think I know who put this on there, but I refuse to name names, as that will do no good. The newly approved Lilystem's queen alt was listed to be remade. Now, why this bothers me is how come we couldn't have told Mistystar to make her pale while it was still on the approval page? I think we need to be a little more careful about things like this in the future. If anything is going to be approved while it's on CBA, please make sure it is perfect. I think it's a blow towards Mistystar and if it happened to me I would be upset. 18:04, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Very good point Ivystripe. I mean, if i were in Mistystar's shows, oops, that was supposed to be shoes XD, i would not be happy when it gets approved then is all of a sudden put on the needing tweaking to be paler. I mean, why not just tell me earlier and save the trouble of it being re-done? Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  18:19, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. It was only approved, like, what? Not even four days ago? I checked the archive, and no one mentioned anything about it needing to be paler. If it was really that important, then someone should have spoken up. 18:24, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, if it was important than why ignore it? Making it paler isn't too hard, and doesn't need to be redone for that either. <font color="white" style="background:black">☀Mint☀ Disturbia, the darkness is the light. 20:22, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be tweaked/redone at all. In fact, I'm going to remove it from the list, since the leads can do so if they wish. However, if another lead disagrees with me, feel free to add it back on. 20:25, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I actually spent a lot of time on Lilystem, and I took the base color off of Lilystem's regular image, so I really don't think it needs to be redone. 21:29, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, same with Rainflower's chararts. Rainflower's warrior charart is lighter than Rainflower's queen image (which got approved before Rainflower's warrior image). I'm not trying to offend anyone. 23:59, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the person didn't notice it whilst it was up? It probably doesn't need to be put on the redone list, though. Tweak list would be better as all one needs to do it run a dodge tool over the whole image. I think it does need to be tweaked to be lighter, though. (Yes, the person was me. Thank you for not naming names, Ivy, but I feel I should own up to my own actions :P) I actually didn't notice it while it was up, and for that I apologize, but I feel that the image should be lighter or at least as light as the original image. It doesn't make sense to me that an alternate for a pale tabby should be darker than the pale gray original. <span style="">03:30 Wed Oct 12

Alright, well, I didn't know if you wanted to tell them or not. I can understand that, but maybe you could have said something to Mistystar and she could have quickly lightened the whole image with the dodge tool. I'm not mad at you, it just kind of concerned me. 03:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

No I understand that. I just didn't notice what the alternate image was for when it was up, and I was looking at the random pages and I went "Oh well why is the pale tabby image darker than the original?". I should have mentioned it; I just didn't notice it. <span style="">03:47 Wed Oct 12

Yes well thats all good and fine and addressed, here is something i feel needs to be addressed: People complaining about thier own art. If you think its really that terrible that you need to complain every time you reupload, for gosh sakes dont post it! This isnt a place to go searching for ego stokes and making people feel like they have to tell you youre wonderful just cause youre freakin out. It makes me want to declined it due to lack of faith. And im not singling anyone out, theres a good number of people who do it, and everyone needs to cut it out. Its a waste of space. Thats my angry rant. 22:39, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Guilty as charged of that^^. I complain, because there are a lot of people that are better then I am, but I'm the senior warrior. Now, I love most of my work, but some of it just turns out....different then what I expected. I post it so people can give me ideas as to how to improve it, not for a pity party. In fact, those that do expect a pity party should have their work declined on the spot. We're here to help improve their work, not tell them it's the most amazing thing on the planet. 22:53, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, people need to have a lot more faith in their art. Yeah, I had a reasons to be embarrassed of my first charart, but now it's like "If it's bad then that's what PCA is for anyways"  23:00, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

And CBA stands for Comments before approval, which means that it should get approved shortly. Also no offence but sometimes the leads should only post CBA if the charart is almost perfect, or if they think it is. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 01:42, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, what you said about "approved shortly", what do you mean? CBAed images are approved after 24 hours. Also, I was under the impression that a lead CBAs an image after about 24 hours too. Not whether the image is near perfect. 03:40, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I mean it gets 24 hours of CBA. And I thought that users had to like the image too. For example, I don't think a lead can just CBA an image on their own acord, without agreeing on anything with other leads, and then the image gets a heap of comments for improvment. I thought it had to be a good image. Please don't blame me if I get this wrong, I'm not a lead, I'm not even a warrior yet! So I'm not quite sure how things work with leads. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall  00:09, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

An image is CBA'd by a lead when they think it's ready. The opinions of each of us are quite different, and if another lead/user thinks it's not ready, then they'll comment and tell them what needs fixing. We don't need to confer with the other leads before CBA'ing an image. 19:09, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's kinda what I was trying to say. I just thought a majority of the project had to agree that it was good. =) 05:27, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Tutorial
The apprentice tutorial is looking amazing, however, all the strategies of making a charart include layers. Is it possible that the leads could make a part in the tutorial that doesn't use layers? I know some users do not use layers and either do not know how, or think they are confusing and would rather just avoid them all together. 03:36, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to become an apprentice of Project: Charart. I think I have what it takes to create accurate chararts aslong as I have a responcible mentor. 05:29, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

I do agree.. I, myself don't do layers (too confusing, for me o.o) and I'm still quite new with chararts, so it would be very helpful. And maybe a tutorial for Pixlr? I know a lot of people use GIMP, but I have also seen Pixlr a lot.

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  20:14, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Moonstrike, you should make a new section asking to join and we don't have mentors in PCA ;). I think a section for pixlr would be awesome to add to as some people can't download GIMP. 03:40, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I use Pixlr, and it is easier not to use layers, or use one or two layers. I know a lot of people do use Pixlr. I think a Pixlr section would be helpful. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  08:41, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Agreeing. Not all users know how to use GIMP or Photoshop. Should we put Mistystar in charge of the Pixlr section? I know for a fact she uses it (if I'm not mistaken.) I would help out, since I used to use Pixlr, but I've lost my touch in that program xD 21:54, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I use Pixlr and I don't use layers either, the only time I use layers is when I color pick colors off other images. I try to keep things simple most of the times. I think myself I'm okay for a Pixlr user, not as good as some other members here though, but GIMP does have more tools and is a bit better for Chararts. I like the tutorial idea, lots of tutorials are on Gimp, but I've seen a few on Pixlr, but what about Photoshop? I'm not sure if I've seen one on Photoshop. We could do a tutorial on Photoshop if possible. <font color="#CC9900"><font face="Elephant"> Owl  <font color="#CC0000"><font face="Elephant"> X   <font color="#CC9933"><font face="Elephant"> G   <font color="#CC6633"><font face="Elephant"> l   <font color="#CC3300"><font face="Elephant"> itt   <font color="#CC3333"><font face="Elephant"> er   <font color="#993300"><font face="Elephant">4LIFE..    The colors of fall 23:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

I agree to this because i use pixlr a lot, i rarely go on Gimp, and i don't use layers on pixlr. So, maybe add a Pixlr section with layers, a Pixlr section without layers, and a Gimp section without layers. It would make it easier on everyone if that was added. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!   Might bite underneath the moonlight  00:52, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I totally agree with this ^^. I've never used layers, and anyway, even if I did, pixlr's layers are...subpar to Gimps, so it wouldn't be worth is. (and I already have a non-layer solid and tabby tutotial made/shot)  Criminal Scum  Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 03:18, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

We can have those, except a GIMP section without layers. I've looked into that, I don't think that's possible. If you use GIMP, you have to use layers, it's just a solid fact. We can try to find someone who uses Photoshop, if anyone lead-wise does then it's up for grabs. 21:01, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

I used GIMP until it stopped working on my computer; I never touched a layer. Criminal Scum Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 21:48, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess it can be done. We'll see if we can find someone to do that section. So for right now, a non-layer Gimp section is a go. -- 01:32, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

I could always work on that~ :)  Criminal Scum  Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 19:00, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Wait to see if a lead wants to take a crack at it first, and then if none of them (I say them because I don't have the patience to work on a tutorial x3) want to, then you could probably work on it. 19:02, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly i think we should open it to all the warriors next week. 00:29, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I could try and see if I could figure out a good way to work without layers in gimp? I don't know though, I ALWAYS use layers and I've never tried without them. XD but if I figure it out, I'd be happy to help out with that section. And that'd be awesome if it was opened up for warriors soon! 8D ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:44, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't use layers back then, now I'm using them with GIMP. 11:42, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea. You could even use layers with pixlr, I know, not the best, but many use pixlr. I used pixlr, but now I use Paint.NET. 15:05, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I see no problem with letting the warriors in on it. After all, some of them are very, very talented... *cough*Paleclaw*cough*. They should be allowed to help. As for layers...well, I've never worked without them, considering I find it hard, more so because if you get too close to something, you blur the lineart by mistake. 15:17, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well there's a way to not blur the lineart EVER, and not use layers, it'd be hard to explain though. Also *cough*No*cough* ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  15:37, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Paleclaw! What did I say about not believing in your talent! Well of course we can let the warriors help out, but only if the leads think they're qualified, perhaps. Not just anyone could work on this. So, if a warrior applies to work on the tutorial, would the leads have to approve of them first? Just trying to summarize it up here. 20:15, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

But for warriors, there's nothing to do. Everything was taken by the leads. What is there for warriors? They should have NO permission whatsoever to change the tutorials on there, even if it's for a slight spelling mistake. 21:40, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, what about the non-layer tutorials? Most leads (of what I can see) use layers. Some warriors don't use layers. It would be easier (and less work on the lead's part) for the warriors who don't use layers to make that part of the tutorial. Criminal Scum Stealing from the Imperial City;  one house at a time~ 00:35, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm, you're right. Everything is taken by the leads, but not all leads have a part. Why can't they edit a simple spelling mistake? Are they going to just mess the whole thing up? Come on. If it's vandalizing they'd know better. I say warriors can make slight tweaks. Not edit the full gallery, but minor errors. -- 01:48, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

But even though the leads have everything taken, it COULD be expanded on a bit. And different people have different techniques. I mean look at all the user's tutorials. Most of them are all different, and with getting rid of them, we'd be getting rid of all those different techniques so the apprentices could only learn one. We should be able to list all of the ways to do chararts in the tutorial eventually. I don't see why warriors shouldn't be able to add on to (not mess with any of the previous stuff reall) with permission from a lead. There's not just one way to do everything, and the leads can't cover ALL the different ways. I think warriors should be able to add on to it with permission like Splashy said. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:17, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

This is the way it was planned to be used: Yes the first little bit the leads had things resvered, but when we openned it everything was fair game. Lets face it, the leads arent doing a heck of a lot. The only condition was that a warrior couldnt add a image without permission. So i guess next monday it'll be free game. You have til then to do your sections leads, or a warrior can take over. 21:48, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Picture Alternates
I was wondering, as we are now doing alternates for manga mistakes, should we also do alternates for mistakes in other pictures (particularly from Cats of the Clans)? 17:54, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmmm good question. Everybody used to always say no, because book covers and such aren't acurate, but neither is the manga really. I think we should, but I don't know for sure. I think it'd have to be a major difference, and there's not really many of those. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  18:13, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I say they should. I mean, why not? They were inaccurately described, and that's what an alt is for. -- 01:51, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose, but in terms of book covers we should only make alts if the identity of the cat on the cover is confirmed and cited, and of course only if the change is significant. Frankly I don't see us doing any based on book covers, as often the only difference is eye colors. 02:49, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

There aren't many, but I think: Heathertail, Littlecloud and possibly Tawnypelt were quite different in their CotCs pictures. 17:54, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

They have to be different from there descriptions though Speckle, not their chararts. I think Tawnypelt MAY get one, but I'm not sure, since she's a dark tortie specifically normally, then she's a tortie and white in CotC. As for the others, if I remember right about what their pitures looked like, they wouldn't get alts. They go fine with their descrption. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  19:22, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

The cats that would most likely get alts form that book would be Littlecloud (shown as a brown tabby with a white underbelly) and Runningnose (who is black and white). 22:14, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Runningnose wouldn't, as he already is a black/dark gray and white cat. As for Littlecloud, it seems kinda minute. 15:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Littlecloud wouldn't act as a full out project, since he already his a brown tabby. Littlecloud would actually be a tweak (I believe) to add the white underbelly to his image already. 17:16, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Are we actually tweaking images to look like their CotC pics? Cause there's a lot of cats that need tweaking then. Squirrelflight, Feathertail and Talon also need white bellies, Hearthertail and Onestar need white muzzles, Silverstream and Tigerstar need paler bellies, Mothwing needs a white muzzle and paws, and Crookedstar DOES need cream on him after all. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:51, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should tweak the images at all. We're not supposed to be using the pictures in books as guidelines, honestly. I see no need for it, since I don't really consider the pictures in Cats of the Clans accurate. 17:56, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudy. They're minor mistakes, and manga alts are ONLY for huge mistakes. If you find a major pelt change then by all means I think they should get one, but just having a white belly, no, or something like that wouldn't.  18:13, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak two instead of one?
I think this may have been brought up before, but I'm not sure. I'm of the belief that those allowed to tweak images should be allowed to do up to two at a time. The tweaking thing would probably go much faster that was. At the very least, allow senior warriors to do two tweaks at once. The list of images needing to be fixed is long, and we're going at it as a snail's pace. 18:25, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. And i also think, with so many things needed tweaked, the page limit fifteen should be raised more. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  18:29, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I already suggested this. Those warriors and leads without a main project are allowed to take on two tweaks. As for the page limit, yeah, it should be raised, but to allow no more then 20 images at a time. 18:30, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that it should be put up to 20. The spaces get filled so fast, and with more warriors now, there's a lot more people waiting to put up there images now. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  19:19, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

waitwut–? So all this time I couldve done TWO tweaks at once? pffftt. Oh yes, we should extend the limit so more tweaking can be done, with all the new warriors coming in - 21:08, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this and yes, the page limit should be raised. I was thinking 25. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:55, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. I, personally, was thinking we really should raise the limit. The chararts are filling it up more because of all the new warriors and such. I believe it should be raised to 25 so that things would move a lot quicker. 17:14, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

So, since we all seem to agree that the page limit needs to be raised, when will it be done? I'm not asking because I'm impatient, just curious when we'll actually change it. Or do we have to wait for Iceheart to agree too? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Let's wait and see if Iceheart agrees with it, because if we don't (and change something without her consent), we'll all catch hell for it. 17:28, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

The limit is now 25. Iceheart herself told me to raise it, since she can't get on at the moment. 20:36, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Daisytail (And perhaps some others)
In Codes of the Clans (or some book) she appears to have her son apprenticed. Even though he is 3 moons at the time, he is still an apprentice because the warrior code hadn't been that developed yet. Therefore, she would get a warrior image. Anyone agree or disagree? Because I'm going to reserve her and put her up when the final desicion is made. 23:38, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that she was also seen in Night Whispers, in StarClan, a time where she would also not be a queen, probably. 23:48, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

If she was training her son, then yes, she would get a warrior image. Queens don't go battle training and such. 23:51, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Highlights
Alright, so I've been seeing a lot of this and I think it's time that it needs to be noted. Please refrain from saying the simple comment, "Add highlights." Highlights are not needed to make an image look better. I, myself, never use highlights. However, you could say something like "brighten the highlights if you have them." That is more relevant. If the user says "I cannot because I don't use highlights" then it's probably that the shading is too dark. Understood? Agreed? 17:12, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Agreed. I don't need to say anymore, because this is clear enough. 17:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

FINALLY somebody posts this! thank you Splashy! XD I personally only use highlights if it's a really dark cat, or a silver cat. It can get really annoying at times to be asked to do something with highlights. Honestly, I'm guilty of asking users to add highlights ocassionally, but only on blck cats which I believe really should have them so they don't look pure black, but meh. XD I'll stop doing that too. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't use highlights at all, even on black cats. I've about had it, because someone tells me on every charart I do to add highlights. I mean, honestly. It gets on my freaking nerves. 17:26, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Great idea! I only use highlights on sleek, golden, and silver cats. 18:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, highlights bug me a bit :P 20:23, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Good point Splashpelt. I so agree with this. 23:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

A Question
I know this might not be the correct place to ask but may I join project Character Art? <font face="Vivaldi" size="5" color="pink" >Aspen <font face="Vivaldi" size="4" color="cyan">(Talk) 17:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, you're right! I'll add you in now. Please refer to the guidelines and tutorials before posting a charart. Welcome to PCA :) 17:31, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Okay ^o^ thank you~! <font face="Vivaldi" size="5" color="pink" >Aspen <font face="Vivaldi" size="4" color="cyan">(Talk) 23:51, October 21, 2011 (UTC)