Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Cats of the Park
Right, PC has made it that Cats of the Park is it's own rank. I think now it's for PCA to decide about the charart. Do we make a new one? Use the loner/rogue blank? I also think that giving the loner blank a little tweak, (like the Clan leader and healer blanks or something) is not a bad idea either. 05:16, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Loner 07:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I think loner would be more appropriate than rogue 12:50, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I agree that a loner should be used, but maybe we could do a small edit so it's noticeable that it's from the CotP. 12:53, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

For some reason I keep on thinking about giving them ribbons. I agree with that, but what should we edit? Maybe make their tail higher? Or make all four of their paws on the ground?? 13:18, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly - or the neck could be raised, so that the cat is looking up. 19:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

We should definitely use the loner blank. And I like Sorrel's idea of having the cat looking up. 20:57, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe we can tweak the loner a bit to look like they are meditating a bit. Maybe legs a little straighter and on the ground like Bramblesnow's idea, or Sorreltail's idea where they are looking up. (with eyes closed?? So they actually look in meditation?) 23:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, i like Sorrel's idea. Perhaps we could just have the cats looking up with all their paws on the ground? I don't know, it seems to diferintiate it a little more. Im up for whatever ya'll decide to do, though. 23:31, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, the cats looking up is a good idea, however is it possible for us to confuse the loner blanks and the modified versions? 0:12 Fri Apr 17

If they aren't loners, actually, they shouldn't get loner blanks, in my opinion. 00:20, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

True. I thought of that before, that they do live together (aka not alone), but Ravenpaw, Barley and Jingo's group all used the loner blank as well. Anyway, if the loner's heads are raised with four paws on the ground, that'll just be exactly like the to-be blank. 00:55, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Why tweak the loners? They aren't loners. Also, if we tweak the loners we would need Mounty's permission, which she isn't active anymore. 02:36, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, that would be difficult if the OA isn't around. Maybe a new blank is a better way, because they are not really "alone" and certaintly not rogues. 04:11, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

As I said, Jingo's group got loner blanks too, so I think it's kinda... yea. But then I don't think we should stop things just because a user is no longer active - I'm not trying to offense anyone, but that's true. 08:38, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

We need the OA's permission to tweak a blank- I think that's the rule. And the loner blank would be used on loners, which they aren't 11:46, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to OA's permission to tweak a blank. It's the same ruling for PCA images- once they're posted to PCA's pages, they belong to PCA, letting us do with them as we wish. Otherwise, we'd need to ask permission to tweak for shorter tails, ripped ears, ect. If they can be tweaked, then do so. I can tell you though that Jenrock isn't really going to care and she doesn't have any of the files she had when she was active here.

I'm against tweaking the loner blank for the cats of the parks, but that's just me. 06:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should, the CotP remind me of BloodClan in the way they are being presented as a group. (if that makes any sense. Probably not) Anyway, I was thinking we could modify the Loner blank by moving the legs so it looks like they are standing instead of walking, moving the lifted paw up higher, having them look up, and maybe changing the position of the tail just for kicks. 15:30, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should either use the loner blanks for them or make untimely new blanks. I'm not totally for a new blank, because they aren't a extremely main group, not appearing in most every book or anything, but if that is what we need to do, I won't mind, but if it was up to me I would give them loner blanks. I don't want to tweak the loner blanks either though. 😞 ~  Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  22:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

If they're that distinct to have their own rank, then I think we should just create a blank for them rather than tweaking an existing one. 04:26, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I can see your point, and I don't disagree with it. However, there are only two cats (Arc and Ripple) who are CotP cats with descriptions who would ever use it. But then again, there are only four healers... 23:59, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

If they're a distinct rank that means they get a new blank. They're in no way related to the Clans other than River or an equivalent to a rank in the Clans like the leaders and Healers. 21:00 Wed Jun 17 2015

Can we get some comments on this??

Tbh I don't think there's much point. Since there's only two of them, it seems a little pointless, and I think people may fight over who gets them. 15:29, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's better to just use the loner blank, to be honest, since that's what they basically are. 15:57, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Always agreed with what Beebs just said.

Looking over this, even if they are a distinct rank, I have to agree with Sorrel 23:55, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

There's really no need to have an actual "Cats of the Park" blank. It should be a loner blank. 01:15, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

If they are a distinct rank that means they should get a new blank. I'd also like to point out that healers only have like, 3 cats and soft paws have, 4. 16:06, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

If you count alts, there are 5 SPs and 8 healers, I checked. There will only ever be two of these cats. As long as we make the CotP a little different, I don't see a problem, we don't need a whole new blank. I feel that if we make a new blank, there will likely be at least some sort of a fight over who gets them. 17:37, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

I still think that if they are a distinct rank, they should get a new blank. But to maintain the peace in PCA... I'd honestly rather go with loner blanks if it means no more fighting. 17:41, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

We shouldnt rule out a blank just to avoid arguing over who gets what. Its first come, first serve, just as its always been. The main page's edit history will show who reserved first, therefore there really wouldn't be anything to fight against, showing as the proof is right there. As I said before, im sticking to it. If they're distinct enough to have their own rank, then they should get them. Number of cats getting it shouldn't be a factor, since the healers and softpaws only have a handful. 21:31, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Recruitment
Hi everyone! While PCA is awesome, please go check out the other projects, namely Project:Books, Project:World, and Project:Reality (but least we forget about Project:Characters!). Both World and Reality have only a few pages to complete and Books has a lot of chapter pages that can all be pretty quick to get done and nominated. Thanks! 02:46, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Ill be sure to help out when i can. Seeing as the best i can do is edit from my phone, ill be more than happy to update some of the chararcter and book pages needing it. =) 16:59, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Apprentice Tutorials
So I see that they are being "re-vamped", but no one is even touching them, can someone please explain what is going on? 08:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Im not sure, to be honest. I think the project is just trying to get the main objectives (the chararts needed for articles) out of the way beforehand, so were able to put all of our focus into the tutorials. Thats what i thought we were doing, anyway. 16:58, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not unlocking that page. People were posting tutorials without permission, and tbh, a lot of them still have outdated information. We should sit and talk about what we'll do, because otherwise, I will not lift the protection for the page.

I think we should have a tutorial approval page, and maybe agree on which tutorials need updating? 00:49, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Ehh...kinda sounds like a lot of work, but I'm not totally against it. I think it should still be locked, but have some people submit some tutorials to snowy or beebs, and then they can upload it on there themselves. Storm &#9835;  00:51, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with above :) Also, I think some tutorials are still needed.

I think in the last discussion, tabbers were mentioned, yet not necessarily fully laid out. I'd say there'd just be tabbers concerning different types of patterns, with the foremost one being basics (shading, placement, eyes, earpink color, etc). As for "approval", many of the final products from the tutorials (finished cats), realistically, would not pass approval. The "tutorial approval page" would probably just be the talk page of the tutorials and would just need a vote, if we even wanted approval to that extent. 01:23, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Contents that are kind of new (texture, smudged shading etc) are still missing in the tutorial page.

Longtail Alt Warrior
Well, it's only the warrior image that needs to be approved then that's it with the normal images. I want to talk about the alt warrior. Are you going to redo that image? Or use the previous warrior image? Also, Vicky has mentioned she imagines Longtail as a gray tabby. So does that count for another alt? We can also use another previous warrior image then lengthen the tail. 04:17, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

may i join? Wolfma The Wolf (talk) 01:47, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Certainly, read the guidelines and the apprentice tutorials if needed. Welcome to the project!

ALso Stealthfire, (lmao) I don't think what Vicky imagines would warrant an alt? I'm not sure though. 03:56, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

I honestly don't think someone "imagining" a cat as something, even if they are an Erin, warrants an alt but idk. Anyway, I'd imagine we'd use the silver version of the image as an alt, since I don't see any reason to make a whole new image. 00:48, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

'I imagine' is basically 'i think' so its not a certain yes or no, which means it just goes as trivia, and does not warrant an alt. 03:26, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Hi!
Hi, I would like to join this project with all the cats. Petaldawn 10 (talk) 15:20, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Certainly, read the guidenlines and the apprentice tutorials and welcome! 17:18, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join this project? I've helped Bramble(Silver) on chararts with our OCs so I've had some experiences. ✣ H o n e y c l o u d ❈ ㅋ ㅋ 03:12, July 3, 2015 (UTC)

Be sure to read the guidenlines. Welcome! 17:18, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Lead Changes
Alrighty, PCA! If you haven't already noticed, we've done a shuffling around! Beebs has stepped away from leadership (due to personal matters), and she is now a senior warrior. I've been promoted to leader, and I have invited Jayie (who has accepted), to become my deputy. =)

Congratulations to you both! You guys deserve it. =) 03:06, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yes

Absolutely! And thank you, Beebs, for everything you did as a leader. I hope you stick around as a SW for a while. =) 13:32, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! And I'm still glad you're still around Bbun. Keep up the great work everyone! 22:04, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

join?
Is there space for one more member, I love Drawing warriors already and alway i'm practicing with the tutorials. I think you guys are amazing and I want to get better. Belllastar (talk) 21:55, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely. Read the guidelines if you're not sure what goes on here, and welcome to PCA!^^

Rheumy Eyed Cats
Sorry! I really hate to be questioning or telling SW and above how to do their jobs but I don't think This was sorted. It wasn't decided if it was a yes or no on whether we were actually going to do this. Can we discuss this a bit more? Again sorry about it. 22:04, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

I archive a discussion if no one comments on it. No one did, so I rendered the topic worthy of archiving- it doesn't mean it can't be brought up again. I hate it when topics go without comments and then just sit on the talk page. .-.

Similarly, looking at the response received, it's pretty positive with the omission of the StarClan rank. So realistically, you could have gone through with it and no one would have questioned it. 01:18, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi! I'd like to join the PCA please, if you're still accepting members.

Of course we are. Adding you in now^^ Welcome! Guidelines are here if you need them =)

Hollyleaf Alt
Alright, so since ive been told to post this here, I'd say Hollyleaf needs an alt. It was noted in Leafpool's Wish that she was named to be as dark as holly bark, but if you look here you'll see that holly bark is not so dark. Ashen gray, is probably the closest color this is. It is nowhere /near/ black. Since I think it was mainly talking about her in kit rank, then the kit should be given the alt. If you guys think any other rank needs the alt as well, feel free to mention it.

Also given that if this passes and she does go for an alt, I'd like to have it, as well as us removing the 'holly branch-like fur' part in her description. 03:20, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

they were just saying she has dark fur? you can compare something to something else without saying it's the same colour, you know. so I'm saying no. 09:05, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Can we also not try and claim art before we've decided if she gets it or not? Seriously, it doesn't matter if you're the one that suggested or anything- it's first come, first serve. I also agree with David on this one.

Yeah, no. This is just another excuse for more images. Nobody checking this wiki for info would likely know that holly bark is dark or light or what. She doesn't need the alt. 11:36 Tue Jul 14

Then if thats the case, we at least need to take it off her description as it is false 12:28, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Creamy Brown
Hey, they say cream cats need stripes. And I thought creamy brown is just a shade of brown so they don't get stripes, but then I noticed on Daisy's page it says she's creamy brown. Can somebody explain this? Tbh Daisy's images aren't anywhere brown at all... I'm really confused.

I have never once seen Daisy called creamy-brown outside of that one instance in Starlight, and honestly, I think it's an error. She's always called just plain cream afterwards....

True... Do we need an alt for that?

Ask PC, please.

I think she was called creamy brown in secrets of the clans. Idk 13:27, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Uh an error is an alt, it doesn't matter if she was called plain cream afterwards, it's still a mistake. 13:57, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

[long sigh] if she's not described with stripes, don't put stripes on her. that's my issue with ginger cats but that doesn't mean we still hvae to use tht guideline 18:21, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

I mean she was called cream afterwards meaning that being called brown was wrong, so I think we need an alt for that. We don't need stripes for a brown cat

Scourge
Alright, this may get shot down, but hear me out. Shouldn't Scourge's kit image get an edited alternate to add the tooth he received in his collar while he was in twolegplace? He kept it for the rest of his life, and at the time he was still a kit. Personally, I believe we should just tweak his kit charart, but its up to you guys to decide what to do. 17:46, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Runningnose Tweak
Err, I pointed out before that the rheumy eyes cite is from The Ultimate Guide, after Runningnose gave up the position of leader and deputy and gave the responsibility to Tigerstar. (Tigerclaw's Fury shows him hailing the new leader after the false omen) I don't think the leader or deputy needs it. We have enough evidence to say that even before the leader ceremony they are technically leader. (Firestar at the begginning of The Darkest Hour, Brightwhisker before she dies of greencough.) So information is starting to clash here. 22:08, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

But Tigerclaw was not leader of ShadowClan until he got his name. It wouldn't hurt to tweak the leader and deputy, as they are all from the same time period.

Thistleclaw Description
so I'm proposing a tweak for Thistleclaw as: "In The Rise of Scourge, he is depicted as having a dark foreleg, tail, and back foot, a white tail tip, a white marking on his muzzle, and white markings around his eyes.[21]" like, who's to say he doesn't have those? I know graphic images are usually...inaccurate, I guess, but still, there's nothing contradicting he doesn't have those. so. yeah. 16:03, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

I think we've agreed in the past already that we dont match the Manga descriptions. This is the exact reason Leafstar was shot down for a redo so many times, along with quite a few other characters. 00:44, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

But then - why wouldn't we go with the manga descriptions? They're apart of the books. They are canon - just as canon as the super editions, field guides, etc. Should it matter if they have many errors? The books have many errors. The mangas are apart of the Warriors world. So what if the images are incorrect? It's basically the same with the field guides. I c  i  l  o  o    23:53, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

They're not manga- they're graphic novels. And we don't use them as canon because half of them don't even show a character correctly. I don't see any reason why we should match them. Plus, they're also in grayscale, so we don't know what color they are- I think the only mistakes that should be considered mistakes are if tabbies (like Sharpclaw) are shown as solid colored cats, or if a dark gray cat (Plumwillow) is shown as a very light pale gray, or something along those lines.