Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Sorreltail - For Approval
Here's a picture of Sorreltail. What do you guys think? Sonia 1000 19:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice work,but it kinda looks funny.--Jayfeather113 21:02, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it looks rather nice, I think. My only suggestion would be maybe some shading and again maybe some working to make a more fur-like texture... but other than that it looks very good. Hmmm... As for approval, though, I think it's fine. Anyone disagree? Gorse 21:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok I'll work on it a little bit more, and then maybe I'll put it up if Gorse approves Sonia 1000 21:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just curious, but what program do you use to do these? Eu ( Talk! Contribs ) 23:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Here, I uploaded a better version of Sorreltail. It's still horrible...but at least it's an improvement :) !! I'm not sure if I'm done yet though...please tell me your thoughts. Gorse, what do you think? Sonia 1000 02:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it. For some reason, my computer's colors are permanently wacko, so I can't see any deatils on the Tawnypelt pic', but I can see this one perfectly. It looks pretty good, but honestly, I liked the old one better. This one looks....blurry, to me. *shrugs*, maybe it just looks furry :p Eu ( Talk! Contribs ) 13:48, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, i was trying to get a furry look...I used MS Paint for this. Should I put it on the page, Gorse?Sonia 1000 00:31, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I like it. 9/10! Good job, Sonia 1000! GB 00:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it looks how a Sorreltail should look. Pretty tortoiseshell. I like it. --Bramble 18:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you think, Gorse? Is it Wiki material? GB 18:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually... I can't say that it is, entirely. If you look closely, you'll see a lot of tiny color distortions, with odd little shades that shouldn't be there. I'd compare this to my early days with Photoshop Elements, when I would overuse the "Sharpen" tool. It would add in all kinds of colors that weren't in the picture before, making it look slightly unnatural. Unless the colors are fixed, I can't fairly accept it. Gorse 04:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It's got a furry look,but I agree with Gorse.It also is blurry.--JayfeatherSong of Storms~ 15:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I really like it!-- JKO 17:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...now that you point it out, it does look a little chalky. And dusty. But the color's still good! GB (Grocery store) 20:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Crowfeather - For Approval
I did this one of Crowfeather. I know its not much since Crowfeather doesn't have much detail. --Shim 20:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Every time I hear it I like the phrase 'the character doesn't have much detail' less and less every time I hear it. The character being a solid color does not excuse lack of shading! Please take the time to go back and shade it, just like every person who has submitted a flat-colored image has been told to do.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 21:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry Kitsu and I share that same peeve so I know how you feel. I redid Crowfeather and added shading to him. What do you think of him now?--Shim 21:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * . . . If it's a pet peeve of yours, why on earth did you offer up an image guilty of it? Anyways... The edges of the shading are really, really hard... Maybe soften them up a bit so they look smoother...  Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I soften the edges the best I can. I don't have photoshop so I find ways to do pictures on paint an blibs.com. I'll fix Squirrelflight soon.--Shim 03:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because of the hard-line between the colors it looks like a black cat with a black stripe on his back... Unfortunately, paint and websites aren't suited to doing high quality graphics... You can, but you pretty much have to shade pixel-by-pixel to create the gradients and proper shading.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I took the advice at downloading that program you mention. I smooth him out and personally I like this version better than the rest. He's smoother and you can't see the black outline that was on his back anymore.--Shim 21:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was talking just about the colors on his back... The colors that make up the pelt... not the outline itself... He looks blurry... Like I'm wearing beer-glasses or have my contacts out or something...  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about this one. It looks to dusty. I give it a 3/10. Sorry, Shim. If you want to get that score up, however, make him look less blurry and dusty. I do think you did a good job on the color! GB  04:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Squirrelflight - For Approval
I also did a Squirrelflight picture. Let me know if you believe anything needs to be changed about it.--Shim 23:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow!I like this one.--JayfeatherTalk 00:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't... But I've never liked the cartoon-triangle-tabby in pixeling, so I'm automaticaly a touch against the style. Also, all of the shading edges are very hard-line, and it would look a lot nicer smoothed out and blended. And... that flood-filled-black background needs to go.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 00:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Well,I think it looks good. Why shouldn't we use it? It looks like it was done with a lot of effort, and it wasn't slapped together!!--Mousefire 04:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for great ratings Jay and Mouse. Well Kitsu this is the best I can do. I took away the background. I made the edges as soft as I could. I also took away those cartoon-triangle-tabby in pixeling markings. --Shim 04:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was the first to admit I'm biased against that way of doing tabby and simply don't like it. *points up* Though now she dosen't have tabby markings and needs 'em. I was gonna wait for Gorse, who's actually in charge of the project to weight in. But I do have a feeling that she's going to want to seek improvement based on the fact that it looks really unfinished with the hard-lines between the shading and the main color areas. Mousefire, putting effort into things is never going to be grounds for using them. The quality of the final product is what we care about. Weather it takes 10 minuets or 10 hours to achieve, it's about how good it looks in the end. The fact that Shimmerpool is using a very low-powered and inflexible program that naturally achieves poor results means S/he'll have to work twice as hard as people with programs like GIMP (which is free for download, BTW) or Photoshop to achieve suitable results.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 12:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Now, I think you did a good job on this one Shim. But that looks more like Foxpaw than Squirrelflight. Remember, she's ginger, which looks slightly like orange. That color is reddish tabby, Foxpaw's pelt. If you want to know what Squirrelflight looks like, go to warriorcats.com! I give it a 4/10. Sorry, Shim. To get that score up, change the color of the fur! SIGNED, GB  03:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't like it, as it does look more like Foxpaw than Squirrelflight, and anyway, Squirrelflight's not red. Blackstar78 15:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Color is way too dark! She is not red, she's a light shade of orange.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 21:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Brightheart - For Approval
This is Brightheart(obviously). What's everybody think about it? Constructive criticism appreciated. --Bramble 19:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Very Good! I'm impressed Bramble! That's totally Brightheart! Gorse would be crazy not to approve of it! I give it a 10/10! Great Job! GB  19:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you GB(or GroceryBag, whichever you prefer)! Kitsu, Gorse? Comments? --Bramble 19:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * So far, both of your new cat pics have been scored 10/10 by me! I think you do a great job, Bramble! GB  22:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Good job, Bramble (not Bumble ;)). I like how you made the ear ragged. I had been wondering how that would look.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 21:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Wonderful!!!! I can't surpress it! It is WONDERFUL to see such a marvalous picture of Brightheart! When it is approved (when, not if, when), please send me the code for it!! Oh, dear, I hope I don't sound like a Brightheart freak... Brightheart 01:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The only issue I've got is that the patches are a bit circular... They're very very regular and smooth and unnatural. I'd like to see more patchiness or just rougher edges on the patches that are there. The pixel is overall very nice, though. I like that you took the time to shred her ear.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

This is great! I could tell it was Brightheart right away (Great job with the ear!)-- JKO 17:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried to do more 'patchiness', Kitsu. I uploaded it png format, if you want in gif, just tell me. What do you think now? Are the patches still too circular and regular? --Bramble 17:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Its better!--Redflare 17:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * She's supposed to have a ginger tail, not a white tail with a ginger spot.--< &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; (Salamandastron )> 20:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * *poke* Citations, Eu? Also, the patches look wonderfully natural now. Excellent work. It dosen't come across like you just clicked with the brushes in your editor and smudged the edges a bit.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 06:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Cloudtail - For Approval
I also did Cloudtail. I made sure to do shading.--Bramble 19:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! This is the Cloudtail we've been looking for! Great job! I give it a 10/10! GB 20:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I like this one as well. It isn't all one color, it has good shading, but it's in the gif, not png, file format, which can be fixed, should we decide to accept it.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 21:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gif isn't going to damage the image quality because of the low number of colors. It's great looking. The only room for improvement might be adding a bit more shading through the shoulders, so he looks more rounded and less flat there.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I reuploaded him with more shading through his shoulders and back area like you suggested, Kitsu. What do you think now? --Bramble 16:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It could use a little blur-tool along the back ;) And maybe a bit of shadow on the 'belly' area under the legs, to give the body a somewhat rounded appearance.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added shadow on the belly area, and blurred all the shadows that I'd put on earlier. I think this is the best i can do, Gorse and Kitsu. --Bramble 17:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's lookin' great. You softened up that shadow on the back really nicely (it was super-distinct before). I don't have anything more. Gorse, do you?  Kitsufox Fox's Den 17:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What do you think, Gorse? Is it Wiki material? GB (Grocery store) 16:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * GB, comments like this bring nothing but clutter to the project. It had been just about 24 hours when you posted that. There is nothing unreasonable about 24 hours turnaround on something like this. Unless you are making comments on the art and how to improve it or it's been several weeks since there has been action, please refrain from making this sort of post.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 06:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kitten Pixel Blank - For Approval
A kitten blank for use, because I felt like doing something artsy and it seemed more needed than coloring since we've got a few people on that nowadays.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 04:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Great job, Kitsu! I like it! GB  15:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow Kitsu, that's great :) It even looks playful. I made some...attempts at making pixels for the other ranks, and I had the "kit" (it was a kit, just looked like a lump of dirt) stretching up for a leaf on one try, and rolling on it's back on another.-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 15:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks GB, Eu. The playful look came from my refrence photos of kittens. I don't like to make pixel blanks without reference pics to get things right. Side note: If the blank is approved, I'll make longhaired versions (by adding fluff) and the gender specific versions in the style established by the other set. I just didn't want to make all 4 blanks in one go without getting input. I'd rather sort out issues people have on the shorthair because it's easier ;)  Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I like it,but it's eyes are kinda freaky.--JayfeatherSong of Storms~ 15:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * *Snicker* My assumption is that the artists will put in eyes that look good. Rather than having them look sorta icky like they do on the Warrior and Apprentice versions when you color 'em in. This way artists create their own pupil/iris and things will look a lot better, and more natural.  Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem (not so much a problem, but whatever) is that it's small. Yes, I know kittens are supposed to be small, but will it look too small in Charcat?-- &Sigma;ul&atilde;l&iacute;&atilde; ( T – C – G ) 16:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I scaled it against the apprentice pixel, to be half the size. So that when characters who grow up during the books have their older pixels sent to the bottom of the article somewhere, we can line 'em up and the sizes as they grow up will all be scaled against each other. So I'd rather not enlarge it any. If it looks small in Charcat... well ;) Kittens are small. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 16:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This is great, Kitsu. It should definitely be used. FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

<CENTER>  </CENTER> The full set, all lined up. Males, Short and Long Haired. Females, Short and Long Haired. Figured I'd trade 'em out since I have the full set ready to go now, and no one had anything to say against my pixels (really... Size was the only possible issue... But I refuse to make giant kittens ;) ) <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If there are no comments as to why the should not be used within 24 hours or so, I'm going to call these accepted. Gorse 16:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Since it's now the 4th, And noone has said anything, I've added them as approved blanks. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Bouncepaw, Rockpaw, Tinypaw - For Approval
The three newest apprentices to SkyClan. Put them all together because i didn't want to do three separate messages. Rockpaw has shading; its just hard to see.--Bramble 18:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)



WOW! And again, WOW!!! GREAT job Bramble! I think you do a very good job on cat pics! I'm sure Gorse will love them, too! GB (Grocery store) 19:57, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * GB, please stop making presumptions like that. Bramble, go seperate topics next time just to keep things sorted better so there's no chance of confusion as to which pixel correction comments apply to. For Bouncepaw I have nothing, save that it's very nice looking. For Rockpaw, you might want to darken the pink or blend it more with the main pelt color, as it currently is a very very stark contrast with the pelt to that pink. for Tinypaw, some blur tool ;) the edges on your white pelt into the shaded areas are very very distinct. Excellent work. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 06:49, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that Kitsu, I'll make sure to do separate messages next time if i have more than one cat pic. Oh, and thanks for the comments. GB, you too, its nice to hear you like my coloring. :)--Bramble 13:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. It's not a major issue, more just a request for future. Gorse's life just got a little crazy, so she might take a day or two to get time to comment. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 13:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I reuploaded. Rockpaw has a darker pink ear as well as it being blurred, and Tinypaw has her shading blurred to the best of my ability. Anything else I can do to make them better, anyone? --Bramble 15:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Tinypaw looks better than before, but about Rockpaw's ear, the pink part looks a little small for my taste. GB (Grocery store) 18:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I, personally, feel that Rockpaw's ear looks much more realistic now. Black Cats ears look black on the inside. so having just a suggestion of skin and thinner fur is great. (While realism says solid black, I think that would look weird). <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yellowfang - For Approval
Here's Yellowfang. I used the Female Longhair warrior blank, since there is no medicine cat blank, but I think it still looks like her. FeathertailxCrowfeather 4ever 13:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Because the incorrect blank is used, it won't be accepted. Blanks will be made, I've started filling in holes in the collection. But there's also the issue of all the blurring. While pixels need blending, the outlines need to be cripst, while the shading edges should be soft. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 14:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...I think it's pretty good! What do you think, Gorse? GB (Grocery store) 15:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm repeating what Kitsu said, because it's true. Blanks are currently being worked on for all the ranked positions that don't have them yet, but until then, we can't accept pixels for any character in those positions. Yellowfang will simply have to wait for a correct pixel. Also, the edges of the pixels seem rather blurred in any case. You want the coloring to be blurred together so it looks smoother, but not the actual base itself. Gorse 16:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Now that I think of it, Yellowfang look's a little smeared. GB (Grocery store) 18:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Rainwhisker - For Approval
I did this one for Rainwhisker. Hope you guys like it. Eaglebranch 14:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I like it, Eagle(can i call you that?), but Rainwhisker is kind of a darker gray than this shade. But other than that, the shading's good and he rocks! --Bramble 15:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First off, the character is dark, rather than mediume gray so the shade will need to adjusted. Then there's the shading, which is in need of a bit of work. The character still looks very flat and the edges of the shaded areas are very very distinct rather than blended as they should be. It's a nice start, but needs some work. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 15:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kitsu's right about the shading and color, but I think you did a great job on the fur! GB (Grocery store) 15:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Like this? Eaglebranch 18:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Much better! GB (Grocery store) 18:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * While the shade is better... There's not a halo-effect around the darker (correct) color, creating a pale-gray line all the way around the body color section. That's not much better, It's just about even up with where it was. Eaglebranch, You'll need to fix that pale line around the edges and then shade it. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 20:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Right, I got rid of the halo and then shaded so that he would look rounder on the edges. I think it looks better. Eaglebranch 14:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely improved. But the shading could be intensified (reference some other, accepted, pixels). Right now it on the minimal side and isn't fully giving dept the to the image. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Dustpelt - For Approval
Yep, its old Dusty. My first time doing a tabby, I'm open to suggestions for improvement. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 14:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, this is coming from someone who can't do tabbies. Great job! But he's the wrong color.   He's supposed to be brown.   Eaglebranch  14:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Isn't he already brown? In the allegiances, it says he's a dark brown tabby, but I suppose I could make him a shade lighter if there are enough comments about it. -- Bramble Bramble's Realm 20:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He almost looks red to me, which is why I commented, but the tabby markings are great!  Eaglebranch Talk 20:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks very dark, and I can barely see the markings (It could just be my computer, though) Swifty {Asterisks} 01:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It looks dark... But it's a distinctly ruddy shade of brown that you've got there... more of a chestnut than a dark brown. The markings look good, though. <span style="color:#3665A2; background:#EBF6F9; border:1px solid #3665A2; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #3665A2;"> Kitsufox Fox's Den 03:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Bramble! I really like it!!-- JKO The Jakkolantern 21:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)