Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Jacket Design?
I've noticed that on the very bottom of the right flap for Battles of the Clans that not only does it say that Wayne McLoughlin is the Jacket artist, but there is a Jacket DESIGNER. Should we include the jacket designer for books that stay in hardcover, such as Battles of the Clans and Secrets of the Clans and the other field guide books?Tawny HEAT WAVE!! 19:39, August 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * This rather has to do with the editor than the author / illustrator... I don't know really. Let's wait for the input of the Project Leader / Deputy. 20:01, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't own BOTC so I can't see what you mean for myself. I looked at SOTC however and think that if it is noted on the book jacket then the relevant people should be credited. Which is a long way of saying that I think we should add it in. -- Sandy star 17:50, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, all books mention the name of the jacket artist, be it McLoughlin or someone else. It is the person who put the cover layout together (art, title, text etc). I don't think it is important enough to be added to the articles, but of course this is only my own opinion. 20:04, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I guess I see where you're coming from (I knew what it was though btw), my only issue is that if it is important enough to need to be on the books then surely it is important enough for the article? We pride ourselves on being as informative as possible after all. I was also thinking about the typography and maybe that should be added as well... You said above that it has to do with the editor rather than the author / illustrator... but surely the editor is just as important as anyone else in getting the book on the shelf? Either way I guess we need some more opinions on this. -- Sandy star 09:34, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Another hmm and a lot of indents. Seems this was touched upon briefly before here but without any real discussion. 12:13, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm indeed, although that was 3.5 years ago when there were more pressing things to attend to. Thinking more about it - it does not harm and adds to the informational value, so I can't say I'm against it. If there is a consensus, we should decide what data to add (only jacket designer or other info as well), which editions (US or also foreign), and in which format (a table on the book article, a dedicated article etc). Kind regards, 18:35, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Sight - Silver Nomination
I'd like to nominate The Sight for a Silver Nomination. Just one question, should we include the alternate version where Jaykit, Lionkit and Hollykit have yellow eyes in the gallery, or is that unnecessary? Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:01, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

The article is great, but before we make a book article silver, its sub-pages (Cliffnotes, Allegiances, Gallery) must qualify for silver (or be already silver). Allegiances and Gallery are OK, but the Cliffnotes need some work; more detail should be added to them. As for the cover - yes, we should include it, as there were books actually released with this cover. I added it to the Gallery. Kind regards, 18:31, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the Cliffnotes, Helix. I thought myself that they were going to need some work. The problem is that I'm returning The Sight to my friend and I don't own it (well I did, but I lost it ;) anyways, from the rest of the time I have left, I will work my tail off to fix the Cliffnotes ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 18:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I had to give The Sight back to my friend tonight, but I expanded the Prologue and Chapters 1-3. I'm getting The Sight from the bookstore soon (most likely this upcoming Saturday), but for now, I could use some help for expanding it. Earth bender Tawny Style! 20:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your work, those chapters are really great! Unfortunately I don't have the book so I cannot help out, but I'm sure it will be done soon. Thanks again, 05:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I have a few minor issues with the main article, though the cliffnotes are coming along well. The Trivia section, publish date and praise all needs citations. I'll take a look tomorrow if no one gets this first =) Also, I have a liking for those neat edition sections as can be found on the Midnight and Moonrise articles. It would be really good if we could get that together for this book (if applicable of course) though I have to admit that I need to get my head around how to source the informaton myself, so let's call it a learning curve for just about everyone here. -- Sandy star 17:42, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I don't think I will get it first (quite busy these days), so you (or someone) should "take a look". ;) I started the Editions section however, adding the two known foreign editions; the rest (i.e. the English ones) can be found out easily from amazon. I'm glad you like the idea btw, and as I promised, I will sort out the data for all book articles as a criteria for silver nomination (NP already has them). Of course, if you wish, I can put together some tutorial on where / how to search for info on editions, so you (and others) can help out too. :) 20:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Scratch that, I got them for you (except the wolf controversy - I didn't find any reliable source yet). 20:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've spent about an hour looking and haven't found anything either. I'm not sure where we go from here; all I can suggest is that we remove this information and if there is ever a source found for it then it can be added again. There is nothing els wrong with the article as far as I can see. 11:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Any more comments before the vote goes up? 08:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we still have to sort out the cliffnotes. Totallytawnypelt99 was working on them, but stopped after the first 6 chapters. The rest of the chapters are not bad and could qualify for silver; but the article looks very uneven this way; either we need to expand the rest or tone down a bit the first ones. Tawny, if you read this, please tell if you still plan to complete it. 16:27, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Please excuse me. I competely forgot about them. We definitely need to make it consistent. 17:16, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry that I stopped so soon ;P I lost it for a while (I'm not that well organized and I got grounded for a few days) and I am still working on them, Sandy. But I'm also working on the Cliffnotes to BOTC... Earth bender Tawny Style! 22:05, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

References on Cats
On the main page, at Concerns, it is stated for several books: "Find reference for cats on the cover". Does this refer to the cat in the centre frame (such as Brambleclaw on Midnight), or also to those in the background (e.g. the four silhouettes against the stars on Midnight)? Thanks, 18:51, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Mainly the central character though any references for silhouettes would be nice if they're available =) These references are a pain in the bum to find, well in my experience at least. 18:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Other Language Editions
I did some research to find out if new books were released (yeah, I love doing that), and found some editions in languages we didn't know of yet. Should I add them in, or wait for the book cover filename policy?
 * Portuguese: first book of OS - link - note: released in Brazil, not in Portugal
 * Czech: Lost Warrior series - link
 * Slovenian: first two books of OS - link
 * Vietnamese: first four books of OS - link

Kind regards, 20:31, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I'm inclined to say wait and hope that the policy will be either discussed more or put up for voting soon. I still have that other link saved in my bookmarks ready to add in from before. If I add that one here then we can put them all up at once when the policy is sorted, whichever way the decision goes. Does that sound okay? 20:38, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * German audiobooks I believe

You are the leader, I'm only the Keeper of the Books. ;) But sounds fine to me, if you ask my opinion. :) 20:43, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

I might go to Korea in a few months, and there is the OS in Korean, and I could check it out..? Willow pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  23:21, August 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * We have the covers of the first 6 books published in Korea. If you can get more info (like more books released, release dates), we'd be grateful. :) Thanks, 10:35, August 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Question, where can you get the translation of these books online? I mean, like where do you find the pictures? I can never seem to find them if I try... Earth bender Tawny Style! 00:08, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check here for some tips. 20:15, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Some more I discovered... I guess we got all editions now. :) Kind regards, 20:15, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Book 3 of OS was released in Dutch, title "Geheimen", check warriorcats.be
 * Lost Warrior manga in Chinese here
 * Korean box set of the OS here


 * Blimey Helix, what can I say? Thank you. 09:17, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Detailed Plot Summary
I already posted on the article's talk page, but I thought more people would see it here. SkyClan's Destiny has been out for a while now, and though I don't have it the detailed summary neds to be done, as well as the cliffnotes. Who has the book that could work on it? 00:22, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't own SkyClan's Destiny. 02:18, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Neither do I. When I've shipped through the mountain of college work I have planned for today I will see about editing some book articles and will try and put in at least the first few chapters (anything I can see from the browse inside) if that is not already done. Thanks for bringing this up Mouse as it does need doing. 08:52, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I did all I could from the browse inside and probably made it way too detailed but I wasn't sure how much more there was to come from the actual book. It will need editing down, but it's a start. 12:01, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Great work Sandy. Checking the User Owns SkyClan's Destiny template, it seems that at least 16 users own the book (and there might be another dozen or two who have it), so let's hope they will help out. 18:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Actually I was thinking of taking stuff from the character articles and putting it in the summaries, if we can just know the order of things. . . 23:19, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

New Content Drive - Suggestions
Okay, well I think it's about time we had a new content drive as the work has been completed on Warriors Books so thank you to everyone who edited that article. Do we have any suggestions for the next content drive? Maybe an article you think needs a lot of work or one that you'd like to see featured in the near future as a possibility for gold? 14:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

How about Forest of Secrets? It's allegiances are fine, but cliffnotes, gallery, and plot summary could use some work. What do you guys think? 14:50, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I spent half an hour to check various articles, but I did not find any that needs major work. Everything seems to be in place in this Project. :) 07:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know, right? That's why I didn't suggest any myself because I couldn't think of any. I think Forest of Secrets could be an idea though as there are a few things that need doing: The cliffnotes need major expansion, the plot summary could be expanded and needs checking over anyway, and the publication history needs adding, praise citing and additional praise added, and some other citations are missing such as author, release date etc. Perhaps we could focus on making this article gold standard with a view to it being featured as the next FA? We need to have some goals, after all. 08:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have a point there, and a PB gold article sounds nice. :) I support Forest of Secrets if there are no other suggestions. 16:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the cliffnotes need some work. I agree with the gold/FA idea as well. 18:13, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

This is just me saying, but out of these choices these are the articles that need MAJOR either work or expansion:


 * All the galleries for the Super Edition
 * Cliffnotes SkyClan's Destiny - needs to be finished
 * Cliffnotes Battles of the Clans - needs to be finished
 * Bluestar's Prophecy - plot summary needs to be completed
 * Cliffnotes The Sight - needs to be expanded (I'm working on them, but could use some help)

These are just from the top of my head, but you and I both know there might be some more.

If we were going to do any of the Cliffnotes, we might as well do the gallery, and plots summary as well. But of course, I would still go with Forest of Secrets. 21:19, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Also, just saying (I agree with the Forest of Secrets, I was just looking) that the Warriors Timeline has some blank spots and needs citations, especially Bluestar's Prophecy (meh, sorry if this is a LITTLE off topic...)

Of all these, in my opinion Forest of Secrets is the best for a content drive, as most people have the book and can help out (unlike the other books that are owned only by a few people). About the Timeline, that concerns Project World; it was mentioned already in April or so, but no one found the time yet to finish it. Kind regards, 19:12, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that we don't want to do one of the new release books as a lot of people won't be able to help with it. As for which one, well I don't really mind. I think probably Forest of Secrets is a good idea. Tawny, remind me to help you with those cliffnotes if I forget (though when I'm going to do it I have no idea - I'm working today and am away for the weekend... I'll find some time to do a few chapters if I can). If I don't then poke me with a stick early next week and I'll remember =) 09:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

lol Sandy don't worry, I'll go back in time to Dark River and ask to borrow the stick from Jaypaw xD. Do you mean The Sight cliffnotes or BOTC cliffnotes, because I'm working on both, but I'm pretty sure you presume The Sight...and Helix, I will take that to Project World when I get the time...

The Deluge - silver nomination
All that prevented The Deluge to get nominated along with the other adventure game articles was the lack of the flowchart. Now that Bramble made us a nice one, the article is perfect. :) 06:54, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I meant to nominate this myself, but forgot XD I'm supporting. 08:52, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Support! 18:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Any more comments before the vote? 09:50, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is going up now. 09:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Joining
Can I join I read SCD So can I write Waspwhiskers SCD info if not can i do Sharpclaw's? -- Bravespirit Leader of LightClan 03:49, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, you'd already added yourself in which isn't normal procedure but it's fine. You can join, though this project does not get involved with character pages, rather we focus on the main book pages such as SkyClan's Destiny, as well as getting the chapter-by-chapter notes filled out and galleries sorted. You may want to visit Project Characters if you are interested in joining a project that deals with the character articles and history by book. If you own SCD though then there is still a lot for you to do here and you are more than welcome to get involved with the project in addition to character articles =) 09:26, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd like to join, Thanks, if that's possible! Echofall  Fate is in your paws 00:59, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'll add you in. Welcome to the project. =) 09:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Firestar's Quest - Silver nomintion
I am nominating Firestar's Quest for Silver Nomination this is my first nom. -- Bravespirit Fight till' death!! 05:47, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

There are a lot of citations needed: the places marked with the cite tag, the author, illustrator, pubish date and praise. I'll check through the detailed summary myself now in just a moment and fix anything I think needs fixing but I am far from infallible. I'd quite like the publish history in there though it's not necessary for silver (I still need to work out how to do those myself). For anyone else wanting to attempt it, Helix has a tutorial here. The gallery needs cover references for the US version and I'll do a spell/grammar check on the cliffnotes which look okay but that I haven't read through properly (darn my english work calling me from my desk. Hence this message being so rushed.) 10:00, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Plot Summary and Cliffnotes need to be expanded a lot. 12:15, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

On publish history - check Amazon for the US editions (hardcover, paperback, e-book); and translations are in German and Russian. 17:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I did a major expansion of the Cliffnotes with the book on paw, rewrote the main article and added publication list, and referenced the Gallery. I support it for silver. :) 18:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Woah Helix. I am in awe. Support. :D 19:21, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Senior Warriors Section- Suggestions
I would like to suggest you making a Senior Warriors thing above the Warriors on the main pagge if not thats o.k-- Bravespirit Fight till' death!! 05:49, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well... that's all very well except that it would be an empty section as we have no senior warriors. 09:24, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we need to review that decsion... 09:50, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

since it was my idea you could put me and other warriors that had alot of nomanations -- igglebottom Call Me IGGY 00:21, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The Fourth Apprentice Cover Gallery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fourth_Apprentice_(Warriors)

That's the link for the Fourth Apprentice on wikipedia. It says on the right side, "the Cover, featuring Dovepaw". Would that work as a citation, and how would I put it in? Thanks! Willowheart May StarClan light your path! 00:49, August 25, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

I think it has been discussed previously that wikipedia can not be trusted as a reliable source. However, if they have an accurate citation we could use that. 02:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well we can't use wikipedia itself as a source because anyone can edit it, same as Wikia. We can however see if they have it cited and if so, double check and maybe use their citation. 07:42, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks! Willowheart May StarClan light your path! 01:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Menu Bar order
I'm not sure if it's different for anyone else, but under the Books part of the menu bar, here's the order I see (going by series)

Rise of Scourge

Tigerstar and Sasha

Original Series

Super Editions

Graystripe's Adventure

Ravenpaw's Path

New Prophecy

Power of Three

Field Guides

Omen of the Stars

Wouldn't it make it easier if we did it in chronological (did I spell that right?) order?

Original Series

New Prophecy

Power of Three

Omen of the Stars

Super Editions

Graystripe's Adventure

Tigerstar and Sasha

Ravenpaw's Path

Rise of Scourge

Field Guides

Just my thoughts, doubt it if anyone can see it, but if can, can someone edit the menu bar? (I know the admin's can do it because I'm an admin at my wiki and I can edit the menu bar ;P)

One more thing (wow lol this is LONG) shouldn't The Sign of the Moon and The Forgotten Warrior be under the Omen of the Stars bar thingy ma bobber? ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 01:57, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, maybe we could sort it like that, but an admin would have to do it. Also, I think that The Sign of the Moon and The Forgotten Warrior aren't under Omen of the Stars because they haven't been/not close to being released yet. At least, I think it's like that. 16:53, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought that letting the settling of the Menu-bar go to the Books project was sensible, since it's ONLY the order of the books section. (I personally think that the Field Guides should be at the end of the novels and before the "manga") When you guys come a decision, just let me or another Sysop know and it can be changed. 17:23, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought of Field Guides at the bottom since they don't really have a specific order to be read in, also because under Warrior Books, it's at the bottom of the table for chronological order, but I'd be fine if it was before manga, because after all, "manga" is not really...official (not that I'm anti-manga or anything, I love manga xD)
 * Well, I thought of Field Guides at the bottom since they don't really have a specific order to be read in, also because under Warrior Books, it's at the bottom of the table for chronological order, but I'd be fine if it was before manga, because after all, "manga" is not really...official (not that I'm anti-manga or anything, I love manga xD)
 * Well, I thought of Field Guides at the bottom since they don't really have a specific order to be read in, also because under Warrior Books, it's at the bottom of the table for chronological order, but I'd be fine if it was before manga, because after all, "manga" is not really...official (not that I'm anti-manga or anything, I love manga xD)
 * Well, I thought of Field Guides at the bottom since they don't really have a specific order to be read in, also because under Warrior Books, it's at the bottom of the table for chronological order, but I'd be fine if it was before manga, because after all, "manga" is not really...official (not that I'm anti-manga or anything, I love manga xD)

Well personally I would say Main Series, Super Editions, Field Guides, Manga... but to be honest I don't mind much. 09:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * In any case, the Main arc should be the first - those are the most important. I recommend the SE coming after it. The mangas should be one after another as well. The field guides... either after the SE or after the mangas. Oh well, this was the same what Tawny and Sandy wrote, so I could just say "I agree". :) 12:01, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 15:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Leaving
Hey, I'd just like to say that I am leaving the wiki starting tomorrow. I want to focus on my schoolwork so I can shoot for high honors this year. I know I still have my nomination up, but if it's allowed, someone else can take over it, or it could just be archieved. I'll stop in every now and then to say hi or something like that, but otherwise, I am officially not coming back and doing time consuming edits until December (winter break goes from the end of December to the beginning of January). I hope my contributions to the project were a big help, and I will miss you all. 22:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I cannot speak for the others, but I'd like to thank you for your input and work in the Project. Good luck for your studies! :) 12:07, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with Helix. Thanks for your hard work and contributions, not only to this project, but to the whole wiki. :) 12:14, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Brightspirit's Mercy
I finished the rest of the cliffnotes. Should I take it down from the to-do list? Willow heart  1231  00:56, August 31, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Yes. 13:58, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

New Leadership
I have decided to step down from the leadership of Project Books due to real-life time restraints. I woud much rather see the project running smoothly than be at the helm. After talking with Insane we have both agreed that Whitestorm would make a good leader and they have agreed to take on the task of keeping the project running. I just want to say thank you to everyone for your hard work and for making my life simple and wish Whitestorm the best of luck. They will be choosing a new deputy in the next few days as Insane has agreed to this. That's about it really. =) 12:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Aww, goodbye Sandy. *hug* And congratulations to Whitestorm! You deserve this. 13:58, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I am saddened by Sandy's decision, but of course, real-life commitments have priority over hobbies, especially virtual ones. Sandy, I would like to thank you for all the great work you did for Project Books and for the wiki in general, and I hope you will still drop by now and then - or even return when you will have more time. Good luck for Whitestorm for his new position. 18:40, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry Helix, but words can only bridge a gap for so long, no matter how heartfelt. I'm not leaving the wiki, rather handing over my responsibilities as quietly as I can and with minimal fuss. Think you can get rid of me that easily? x
 * Thank you Ice, *hugs* 18:47, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks everybody! :) I am really excited to become the leader of this project, and I hope I can continue to keep this project running smoothly, as Sandy did. 20:27, September 1, 2010 (UTC)