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Pelt Lineart Variations
Hey, so this has been something that's been bothering me for a while. If a cat is described with a ragged pelt or a short/longer tail their lineart of their images gets tweaked, but if they're continuously described as fluffy or something, they're just made a long hair (i.e. Cloudtail). I personally think that if a certain attribute is used to describe them continuously; like Cloudtail always being called fluffy/longhaired, that their lineart/blanks should be made fluffy/sleek/ragged/etc. Still a bit of a vague idea, but thoughts? 04:04, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. We are already doing that. Normal longhaired cats get a longhaired lineart, and ragged, matted, or patchy fur gets a lineart change. If I'm totally missing your point, forgive me. 18:59, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't quite get what you mean either. Could you elaborate on this a little more?

I mean like, Feathertail is mentioned several times with a really fluffy, plumy tail and her chararts reflect that, but there are other longhairs who've been mentioned with plumy tails and their lineart isn't tweaked. I think I asked this once for Graystripe or something and was told that it was because they weren't named for it or something and I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense if we've already gone and tweaked Feathertail and Redtail. And for Cloudtail; true he's a long hair, but he's also mentioned several times as being extremely fluffy. I think the linearts are kind of a base to start with and alterations of description can be added on. 20:28, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ohhh ok, well, how would one go about making it look fluffy, in such a small blank? I know to make the edges smooth, not sharp, but on a small blank that would be hard. Maybe for those cats, we could do a fur texture? And no, it shouldn't be on the basis that the cat was named for that. If they are mentioned as such as we can get a concensus, then no cat with such a description should not have their charart tweaked. 21:30, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Oooooh, so that's what you mean. I kinda agree with that. This would also apply to Hollyleaf, correct? She's described with a bushy tail on more than one occasion... I think there's a couple more, Cloudtail being one of them.

Well to an extent, we already do that. We do it when they're named for it, and when they're described as having, say, especially fluffy fur and such. Since things like a plumy tail or something could simply mean longhaired, we only change those type of things if it says they have it, specifically moreso than average cats. I do agree though, that Cloudtail should be made fluffy. He's called especially fluffy many times. However we shouldn't go making especially fluffy lineart for cats who were simply mentioned like that on a couple occasions, such as, say, Birhgtheart. And no cloudy, I believe Hollyleaf's only been mentioned with a fluffy tail once or twice. Hence why she was shorthair for so long. There are very few cats who'd still need to be tweaked, Cloudtail, I believe Featherwhisker... not sure on him, and maybe a couple others. We really don't need to go overboard on it though, as the longhaired lineart is there for a reason. That's why we only change them when they're described as especially fluffy or something. 04:56, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. I already get that we do that for cats that are descibed as fluffy once or twice, what I was trying to get at were cats like Cloudtail who've been described as fluffy or alike on several occasions, so I figured that their chararts should reflect that 05:17, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 00:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

StarClan cats hold no rank
This fact is stated by the Erins and is mentioned in the books. There are no leaders, medicine cats, or the likes in StarClan. And, as shown by Smallstar, Swiftpaw, and Shellheart, cats can change age when they go to StarClan as well, either aging or growing younger. And, honestly, this project has made warrior chararts for a lot of cats that are never mentioned as warriors but are seen in StarClan.

So by that logic I think a new blank for StarClan cats should be introduced. It's an idea that's been sitting in the back of my head for a while now.

I know it's a big project to take on, but honestly, why not? If need be, it could be saved for a later date even.

Anyway, just throwing that out there. I know it's not my most elegant proposal, but I'm tired at the moment.

Ah, as an afterthought, I'd think that the Dark Forest cats would not get a special lineart, as they do hold rank. 18:32, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this. I honestly do. It's been said time and time again, both in books and by the Erins, that StarClan does not hold rankings, and they are all equal. A StarClan blank would be a nice idea, since, we're technically assuming they're still holding their ranks they had when they died. Smallstar is the biggest reason I'm supporting this; it's clear as day that StarClan cats /do/ change ages when they die; one even becoming a leader.

Seems legit. But would this stand for every cat that's died or just for cats who are seen in StarClan/Dark Forest/etc. And would this apply to Tribe of Endless Hunting? 20:29, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I never really thought of this before, but now it seems like a good idea. And I would be guessing that it also applied to the Tribe of Endless Hunting, or do we know too little about them? 23:55, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It's a great idea Shelly. Blanks for StarClan, Dark Forest and Tribe of Endless Hunting cats would be great! 8D 00:53 Sat Nov 3

This has been suggested a couple times and shot down each time, however I do completely agree they should have blanks. the only problem being, though they can change age when the join StarClan, some stay at kit age, such as Mosskit, Adderkit, and Blossomkit. What would happen for those characters? As the blanks would probably have to be made in the form of a full grown cat. Also, as clarification, only confirmed StarClan cats would get these images, correct? If so, I do support this. 04:50, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I can't begin to tell you how glad I am that you suggested this. I agree completely, and most of my reasoning has already been expressed by other users above. However, now that Paleh mentioned it, I am curious as to what we would do for Mosskit, Adderkit, and Blossomkit. And, I would assume it would only be for confirmed StarClan cats. It wouldn't make too much sense otherwise, unless we created another blank for 'dead cats', which I wouldn't support....we'd be getting too nit-picky at that point. 05:01, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it's a cool idea. It be kind of neat seeing different blanks for the StarClan cats, other than the rank that they died at. It'd signify that they had indeed passed away and gone to StarClan. Would we make just StarClan, or the Dark Forest also? Forgive me if this has been answered before, I didn't bother to read everything xD 17:31, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Definitely no DF blanks. DF cats are rogues. That's they're rank. SC cats have none though, therefore they should have a blank. I'm on the fence as to whether the tribe cats should, since I don't know that it's ever stated that they have no rank when they die. And they could be very different from SC, and we can't just assume. Maybe someone could ask vicky, but otherwise, I don't think we have any proof on that. 19:48, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that we should have a new blank for SC cats. As for Mosskit, Adderkit, and all the other kits, maybe we could scale down the SC cat blank to kit size, or (this is a random idea) if we put stars in the SC cats fur, since they do have them, we could just add stars to the kit blanks fur. I don't know though, I'm just throwing out random ideas. 23:34, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure what we'd do about the kits. Maybe just have one adult-sized and one kit-sized. Anyway, I'm glad my idea's gotten support. I don't think the Tribe of Endless Hunting should get blanks. We haven't seen enough of them to know whether or not they hold rank. 02:47, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Mm having one adult and one kit may work. Don't need an app one I think, they'd either be closer to a kit size or adult for us to not need them. And since clearly some kits do go to starclan as kits, and some warriors, it'd work out well. And probably get a decent amount of use in the future. 05:32, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with everything said and don't have anything to add  21:01, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea, and I don't think that we need a Dark Forest of Tribe of Endless Hunting blank. x3 15:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty, since we haven't gotten any words against this idea, what shall be done? 00:12, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think a vote would be appropriate, just as we did for the softpaw blanks. Does anyone have a problem with this?

Wow, now we've decided on this? It took long enough. I don't have a problem with it. 20:34, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

If we're all in agreement, I'll get a forum up for the vote 01:06, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

I think everybody's in agreement. 21:49, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Let's start a forum. 21:53, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Kit Image for Leafstar and Others
In Beyond the Code on page 7 8, it says, "It wasn't many seasons ago that I was their age..." when Leafstar was talking about her kits, and somewhwere in SkyClan's Destiny, it reads "You're not a kit anymore (again, Leafstar thinks this)." Should she get a kit image for that?

Also, something that has been going around in my mind is, if we know who a cat's mother is, and we give her a queen charart, should we give kit images to them? 18:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the first part, but I'm not entirely sure on the second one. If they were called a kit, then yes, this is a high possiblity of earning a charart, but not if only their mothers were mentioned, I don't think. This is a good question, Bluestar :3. I'm happy people are sprouting ideas like this :3 ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫ øṉε ώøɾlḋ, ṃαṉÿ αṉṡώεɾṡ  18:28, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

For what cats are getting kit images for, I think that should qualify for a kit image. Honestly, I'm not meaning offense with this, but if a cat is mentioned as the mother of another cat, she gets an image, but that mother's offspring does not get an image. That makes no sense to me. 21:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think they should. Having somebody for a mother implies that they gave birth and that the cat was a kitten when they were born. 23:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

If we make kits images by those standards, almost every cat would get a kit image. Being a sibling also means they they were kits at some point, cause they're from the same parents. Heck, just a cat existing at all implies being a kit, hence why the standards for kit images are a bit more restrictive. I think they're fine as is. We'd be going way overboard if we made kit images for nearly every cat. However, yes I agree Leafstar should get one. 23:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Heck, I'm still of the opinion that the current standards for who does and does not get kit images is way too lose. 23:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

It's just, I really don't understand why a cat being mentioned as a cat's mother is grounds for an image, but not the mother's child. I do not mean offense by my next statement, but I think it's a bit hypocritical to give the mother an image but not her child, it's almost exactly the same thing, just another rank. Personally, I don't agree with the mothers getting an image, even though that would mean a few of my images would get deleted. 03:36, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 00:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not StarClan recognized leader blank?
This is something that's been bothering me for a while. The Sharpclaws had their own leaders, but there's no evidence that they believed in StarClan or the Tribe of Endless Hunting, yet, cats that are recognized as "leaders" among the Sharpclaws are treated in respect as cats of a higher rank than Sharpclaw.

This is also a but off point, but there's also Scourge. I can't say he was a real "leader" opposed to feared and respected by a band of rogues, but he might also fall into this category. Anyway, thoughts? 05:13, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

We see leaders as a cat who holds high aurthority in a group of cats. Scourge was the leader of BloodClan because yes, he was feared and respected, but held higher in esteem by his 'Clan'. Furled Bracken was leader of the Ancients because he was held in higher respects then the others. Cats don't have to believe in StarClan to have leaders. 05:19 Sat Nov 10

I get that, but believing/not in StarClan has always been the borderline between a leader and not, which is what stopped Scourge from ever getting a leader char art, but he, along with the Ancients' leaders do hold a higher status through respect

I don't really think that we'd need an alternate blank for this, because we'd only use it on a handful of cats, and if we decided to add those cats as leaders we could use the leader blank. x3 05:25, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Well, they're all already classified as leaders on their pages, but whenever leader chararts for them were proposed, they were always declined because of their lack of faith in StarClan 05:27, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Jingo could also fall into this category, since...Lionblaze, I think, called her Jingostar. Also the cat that seemed to lead the rogues in SkyClan's Destiny. However, I'm not really sure if they need them. It seems like a very minor thing to make an entire blank for. 05:38, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, I think we should have a new blank for them. Because whether or not, they are seen as leaders, and I think that we should show their proper rank. But yes, I do disagree with using the regular leader blanks, since those show that the cat has nine lives/believes in StarClan. 15:37, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have a new blank for them, they were regonized as a leader just as the Clan leaders. The should have a blank that shows their leadership, but a regualar leader blank would not fit because that would also mean they had nine lives and believe in StarClan. Basically I'm saying I agree with Mistypebble. 02:06, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

I really don't think these cats need new blanks. It seems very minor and it's not much different from regular leaders - which, believing in StarClan is basically the only difference they have from the leaders listed above. But, if you guys think creating a new blank is the way to go, I won't object. This is just my opinion. 00:38, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

I just brought this up because they're classified as leaders on their pages, but our leader blank is distributed under the fact that they've all been granted nine lives from StarClan (with the exceptions of Sunstar and Nightstar, but not important xP). But their chararts should represent that they are in fact leaders of a sort, so I was curious what everyone else though. 01:05, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cinderpelt Alt.
This has been something bothering me since I read the Yellowfang's Secret manga and saw the reason why we weren't giving Cinderpelt an alt. above, so I figured I'd talk about it now. I think it would make sense to give Cinderpelt a med. cat app. and med. cat alt. because we gave alts. to One-eye and Berrynose for being shown with two eyes or a full tail. The reason Scarletwind said no above was because she didn't receive an alt. when Vicky said her leg would be mended in StarClan. That was when she was dead, we also didn't give Longtail an alt. for having his sight in StarClan. We have given alts. to characters with their disabilities shown as fixed when they were living though, which Cinderpaw/pelt very much is. In short I think she deserves an alt. for the YS manga. Sorry if I'm wrong and wasting everybody's time on this. I would like the med. cat if she gets an alt. 06:38, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

I still don't think this warrents an alt, but if we decide later that it does. It would be made as a StarClan blank, as her leg would've been healed in StarClan, not as a medicine cat. 02:10, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think she should only get one if we actually do have StarClan blanks. Then those chararts should portray them after their death, meaning Cinderpelt would be healed. Otherwise, no. 20:41, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think she should get them, because if I remember correctly, she was shown with fine legs in the manga at the end of YS, but I don't know, that's just my opinion, and I think that's what Shimmerstripe means. x3 23:40, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

It seems a bit too small for us to give an alt. to her, just because her leg was fixed. But we did give Berrynose one, even though it was a bit minor. (And I don't recall One-eye having an alt. for her eyes.. Or am I mistaken?) So why wouldn't she receive one? 22:56, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Oh she was alive in this case? Oh then yes, she should definitely get one in my opinion. (and yes misty, one-eye got an alt for her eye :b) 00:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request
Hi, I was wondering if I could join? :) Also, I wanted to know, do we join as a kit or an apprentice? And what do those ranks mean? Because on the Charart page it doesn't really elaborate on that. Thanks! 00:31, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

So sorry if this was confusing for you, and of course you can join. At first, you join as a kit, which means when you put an image up for approval, it gets evaluated first, to determine if it is 80% done. If it is not 80% done, and 3 Senior Warriors (I will get to that in a second) agree with that, the image will get declined. An apprentice is a person who has had at least one image up for approval which had past a basic evalution, regardless it got approved or not. Being a warrior means that you have had 3 images approved, and a Senior Warrior, or a lead, is where you have to get nominated. These are the people who approve images, add people into the project, decline images, etc. And being the leader of the project basically means you manage it all, and being deputy means you are second in command. ^^ I hope that I explained this well enough for you, just ask anyone else if you have any more questions. Last but not least, make sure to read the guidelines if you haven't already, and make sure to check out the apprentice tutorials or the mentor program if you ever need any help. 22:48, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! So I post any charart or do I reserve one on the chart and then make it? And also I'm very sorry about the blue code box after my signature if you can see it, I'm working on it. :) 23:37, November 29, 2012 (UTC)