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Rabbitleap (W) - For Approval
Here it is, finally finished!

Please don't align your images. Also, define the shading. 03:33, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

I was just about to do that xD

Reuploaded. Here.

I saw some waste.

Smudge/blur the earpink a bit, and make it a bit less bright. Also, smoothen out your highlights :] 03:54 Sun Sep 13

He needs to match this image http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warriors/images/5/5f/Rabbitleap_%28TC%29.kit.png/revision/latest?cb=20150912210231 If not already matched. Ignores this if its invalid. --Dewsplash (talk) 03:58, September 13, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash 03:58, September, 13, 2015

Reuploaded.

Blur the ear pink 06:12, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading everywhere but the legs. Define the light on the legs. 12:26, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the highlights some more. 17:07, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. So beautiful.

Reuploaded again. Ugly earpink :P

Nice job! Can you blur the shading and highlights some more, and can you possibly dull the earpink to a paler color other than the bright pink it is now? If you need some more help, you can color pick from actual images of brown cats. 22:56, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I'm sorry if its not that pale.

Dull and blur the ear pink and smooth out the shading on the haunch; it's a bit blotchy 04:23, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Made the earpink a bit more pale. Also what tool do i use to smoothen out the shading. (I use pixlr btw)

If you decide to rejoin the project, I'll add you in as an apprentice. And as for the image, smooth out the shading 10:14, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

The earpink looks kinda neon, can you dull it down a bit? #ab4526 is a good color, I'd suggest you use that, but you don't have to. Just dull it down more, if you want. 10:26, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Also, may I rejoin the project as an apprentice?

Smooth out the shading and blur the earpink? Also, remember to add a timestamp with your signature. 20:25:17 16 Sep 2015 (UTC)

How do I smoothen out the shading? PoppyShine 20:40, September 16, 2015

It looks to me like the shading is a lot redder than the main pelt. Maybe match it more? 15:02, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

To smooth out the shading, just blur it until it blends with the pelt more. 07:15, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Can you use a duller hue for your earpink, and smudge it more? You should reshape it a little, too - you should make it more, um, triangular? XD 08:32, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Also, define shading on the front leg closest to us 08:32, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Does this look better? Reuploaded.

Reuploaded. Made it look better.

Blur the shading just a tiny bit more? 01:18, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Match the colour on the | approved kit image, please. The earpink and eye colour are both incorrect. ~ Also, please blur earpink a bit more, and dull shading, esp on the main body. It's a tad too red 10:49, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

The shading on the legs could use a little definiton + tail needs smoothening, too. Sorry for the deluge of comments haha ^.^ 10:51, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

The shading still seems a bit too red, and I think it's leaking a little along the back. 02:39, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with BC. Define shading on the legs as well? 03:28, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Should i lighten the shading or darken the shading?

Blur it, please and add depth 23:24, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Choose a duller hue for the shading. It really has nothing to do with how light or dark the shading is imo :3 01:20, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

I suggest putting the shading layer mode onto Multiply, but you don't have to. 02:19, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Sorry I have a lot of school work to do, so I cant really work on it that much.

I think the shading is leaking along the back. 16:24, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading and add some depth, and this will be good to go, I believe. 16:48, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Maybe round out the shading and smooth it more?

Sorry if this is spam, but this could stand to be more paler.--Dewsplash (talk) 02:12, October 2, 2015 (UTC) Dewsplash, 02:12, October, 2, 2015

I agree to a certain point - the shading can be darker.

Reuploaded. Eek! It looks horrible >-<

Reuploaded.

The shading looks blocky, for lack of a better word. Try using black shading, since the dark brown is clashing harshly with the base color. I recommend smudging or blurring the shading until you can no longer see the sharp edges, and round it a bit more to simulate the shape of it's limbs and basic body shape. 04:06, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hasent this image been up for atleast a month now..? 22:31, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

No... Poppy has until the 13th, by the looks of it. Maybe a little shadow to the back and again fur could still stand to be paler. --Dewsplash (talk) 23:33, October 6, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash, 22:33, October, 6, 2015

Reuploaded. After hours of sheer frustration i redid it :D

Blur and lighten the shading a lot more. Add shading to the legs 01:10, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Oops wrong file. Reuploaded.

Reuploaded. Blurred the shading some more.

Did you add shading to the legs? I still can't see it... 01:58, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Wait for the legs farthest from me?

Reuploaded.

No for the legs closest to you 05:28, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, and the shading seems blotchy, could you blur the darker part more? 13:47, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Ack sorry. I meant to remove the shadow from the back. --Dewsplash (talk) 14:23, October 7, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash, 09:23, October, 7, 2015

Blur the earpink some more please 14:27, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

The shading on the legs could still use some definition. Maybe put leg shading on another layer and blur it at a slower rate? 10-15 is good enough, I believe. Just lower opacity if it's too dark.

Reuploaded. Hopefully this is better

No sweetie, not the back legs, the front leg where there's no shading. 00:42, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Snowdapple, can you please refrain from calling other users "sweetie"? I know it makes some uncomfortable ... so I'd rather you not. Also, can you thin out the shading a little bit and lighten it? 00:58, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reups.

Blur it a little more. 01:52, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

There are patches of darker and lighter patches of shading along the back - can you fix that, please?

Reuploaded.

Reuploaded.

Shading's a bit blotchy - could you smooth it? 19:14, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Sorry to be a bother but smooth the shading some more? Also, blur/smudge the earpink please. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 23:23, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Reups

Blur the shading a bit more. There should be shading across the shoulder, I think. Also, define the light on the legs? 12:48, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

There's a couple of dark 'blobs' or spots of shading still. I suggest trying to put highlights over it and lower the opacity until that area matches the rest of the shading. If you are unsure what to do, do not be afraid to ask, we don't bite. :) 21:49, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Could you lighten the shading a little, and blur it and smooth it out quite a bit more, and define the light on the legs, please? 11:08, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. So beautiful :D

shading is leaking everywhere and it needs to be blurred more on the tail and feet. 00:19, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Reups.

Waste on the tail, and define the shading on the head please and the leg farthest from us. 01:09, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

The shading is leaking on the back. 01:10, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I hate to rain on your parade here, but this has been up for a month... 01:11, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Winterflurry, only leads can say that. Also, in the rules it states that if an image is close to approval, the user has another week to complete it. Right now, if PoppyShine completes those two comments asked of her, her image will most likely go to a CBA (and no one disrupt it for the sake of being disrupted.) 01:14, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Well in that case, the shading needs to be smoothed out more, and the shading needs to be define on the legs. Try putting the shading on the very backs of all the legs and blur it. 01:19, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry ;; this has been up for a month, it should be declined. 08:24, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Am I allowed to take over?

Just reserve it 12:19, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded:

Smooth out the lighten the shading. Also, add more shading onto the haunch please 13:19, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

This was supposed to get another week for Poppy... 13:28, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Icy outright says Poppy got another week. This is declined, and Poppy, you will be given a full week from the time you see this message. This image is still yours.

No. It doesn't get declined. Do not take over this. I have put it back up for approval. Autumnbright, I'm sorry but you do not get this. Poppyshine, this is still yours. 14:12, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I know what I'm doing, Icy. Autumn's version got declined, and that's what I was doing. Check the last few messages... This version is declined and will stay as such until Poppy changes the heading.

Reups.

Reuploaded. Removed the blocky shading.

Smooth out the shading a bit more, and define the light on the paws furthest from us, and define the shading on the paws closest to us 17:25, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:24, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Early Settler blanks ~ For Approval
thanks 2 the gays that uploaded for me :* i know they're way too big but can someone like recommend a way to make them smaller that doesn't pixelate them?? ty 14:11 Wed Sep 16

Maybe make the long-haired's tail a bit fluffier? These are so awesome! 14:35, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Try adding some tufts of fur to the back of the front legs/elbows on the longfurred. Cats normally have longer fur there regardless, but it would be even more prominent on a long furred cat. Also, try to make the tails a tad more.. rounded and soft?? It has a few sharp edges here and there, so if you could soften that it would be great. You did wonderfully on these! 16:22, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

For the back legs, do you mind trying to make the femur...protude, a little, if you get what I mean? if you don't feel free to ask - sorry, my brain is fried. 17:42, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Can you fix the paws, they look a bit off 18:00, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Could you make the image smaller? 20:04, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know of any way to make them smaller without pixelating them - just make them smaller, use whatever tool on whatever program you have to harden the lines, if possible, and if that makes sense, and then go in manually and make sure the whole lineart is two pixels wide. Definitely make the long-haired tail way, way fluffier, as well as the cheeks, neck fur, and belly fur, look at the queen blank to see what I'm talking about. The far back leg (behind the cat) is bent way too sharply, and the toes should be facing straight to the right, not turned towards us. The paw on the back leg closest to us looks like it's lifted in the air, and that wouldn't work since the front leg on the same side is definitely lifted in the air, the cat wouldn't be able to balance like that; flatten that paw so it looks like it's set firmly against the ground. The lifted front leg, the paw looks like it has too many joints - either get rid of that bend just above the paw and have it held straight up with the toes held out forward, or bend the paw back. Also, your perspective seems off; the far front leg is much longer than both back legs. Make sure the paws on the same side of the body is even with each other on the ground. I apologize for the wall of text. I was trying to be as specific as I could. Jayie Unwritten words~ 20:32, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

The tail looks a tad uneven- it looks a bit... Bumpy in some places? 02:30, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

The paws look a little thick too me idk 15:07, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

Cats aren't that ... for lack of better words, "skinny". Skinny enough that you can see their bones. It seems like in this case the point is to see the muscles and bones, and I don't think they should be seen. However feel free to disagree with that. 23:09, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Here's a friendly reminder to not forget to re-upload! 06:53, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. bullied david into uploading them for me ( thanks nerd ) anyways i kind of butchered them while resizing i m sorry. also, superfluff. 11:20 Mon Sep 21

Ok so there seems to be a little too much fluff on the long haired kitties. For all four paws can you make the lineart smoother? And where the femur protrudes, the lineart should be smooth there as well. 11:36, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

On the contrary, I think there's too many little lines of scruff, if that makes sense, but not not enough fluffiness. Thicken the neck and cheek fur a lot, again, look at the queen blank to see the kind of thickness I mean, and make the tail a lot bigger and fluffier. Make the lifted front paw much thinner, and maybe just make it one toe facing us instead of both, that makes more sense anatomically. Also, get rid of the little toe thing on the closest back leg to us, those only go on the insides of a cat's leg, not the outside, and also cats only have them on the front legs. Nice update. :) Jayie  Unwritten words~ 12:17, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Could you enlarge the head slightly? 01:45, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

I feel like the leg that's lifted is a little too curved. 22:48, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Reminder to not forget to re-upload! 05:12, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Its only been four days since the last reupload, Fox. I'm pretty sure Berry is allowed extended time to reupload considering blanks are more time consuming than an ordinary charart image. 05:41, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

I know, but I don't think it'd hurt to remind her or something. 07:31, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

shes not always on a computer, she'll get to them when she can. also, with the front leg toe thing, maybe shift them up some? 12:12, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Can you make the heels less "poked upwards"? my horrible explaining

re-uploaded. thanks 2 david again 12:06 Mon Sep 28

Femur still protrudes - mind fixing that? 18:29, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

The leg in the back farthest from us looks like it's lifted, which would mean the cat is balancing on two legs. Is that intended? 20:14, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

I think the heel should be at a softer angle(aka less 90 degree-ish). The cat would break its leg like that. 23:59, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

I think Berry had actually said on Skype that she used a picture of Bella, her cat, for the reference for the feet? I don't think it's bad, especially if she used a reference picture, and there's no better one than one of your own cat. Plus, we all know cats are weird and have their own logic when it comes to anatomy and all of that. I've seen cats in pretty weird and bizarre positions.

Berry I'm sorry, I told you not to make the hind leg protrude when I was the one to suggest it. <_< What I meant right now, is that it protrudes a little too much, but looking at pictures of cats in general (and my cat), I think it looks fine now.

I still think the joint protrudes too much. It should only be pointed that much if the back half of the cat is lower than the front and the legs are bending, but here the back half is mostly even with the front, curving the slightest bit down, so the legs shouldn't be that bent. Here's an example of what I mean: http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/78359625-ginger-tabby-cat-standing-side-view-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=aD%2F%2FqyCLrUbpWYiqK2GFsNwYSssbvBphD95v12k6jDPEgZ4FrOnwkCTANzrz2sTo The leg is a little more splayed to the side than in your image, but you can see that the joint doesn't poke upwards like you've drawn, it slopes down a bit more. Also, there's some weird bumps in the tail, and the tip is a bit too thin compared to the base. The lifted paw is too thick, and the toe should be longer and pointing the paw to the side, and the head should be a bit larger, the paws a bit smaller, and the far hind leg is bent a bit too sharply. I'll post a redline later. Jayie Unwritten words~ 17:53, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

I can't explain, so I did this to represent the comments I have.

Here's my redline: http://www.ezimba.com/work/151003C/ezimba11244517360500.png The way the back slopes is a little wonky, so I couldn't quite figure out how to make the height of the back legs work. But I hope this helps. :) Jayie  Unwritten words~ 15:49, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded ty jayce i made several changes based on the image jayie linked and the two redlines i was given 12:55 Tue Oct 6

Comments before approval? I can't really see anything wrong that needs to be fixed. As Cloudy said, cats are always in different positions, and Berry did state she used her cats as a reference. Also, she indeed did follow the redlines, so I see no reason why these shouldn't be cba'ed. 22:09, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but the head is still too small, the paws are too large and the legs seem too thick, and the legs/paws are still uneven (the front leg on the ground is too long, because it doesn't match up with the height of the far back leg). Looking back on my redline now, I made the head too big, so somewhere in the middle of how big it is now and how big I made it on the redline. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:25, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Going around jayies comment, i think the end of the shorthair tail could be thickened by a pixel or two to match the base of the tail, and the stomach...bear with me here. The stomach on the shorthair needs to be rounded a bit more. It looks like the cats too pudgy as it is as of the moment. When i get home ill redline it a bit to show what i mean 22:27, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Looking at it again, the far front leg and the far back leg are definitely closer in height than on the last upload, but the paw is much bigger on the front leg and the leg much thicker, so make the paw smaller and the leg thinner on the front leg, and make it match the height of the back leg more. And since you move the back leg up and shortened the height, with the way the front leg is held, it looks like if the front leg was stretched out to touch the paw against the ground, it would be longer than the back leg. Can you either make the back leg longer or the lifted front leg smaller? Also the far back leg's joint is still bent too sharply, it looks like the joint is farther up on the leg than it should be. Look at how I softened it on the redline to see what I mean. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:30, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Erm, the paws aren't too big... Cats have such different paw sizes, and how Berry has it is fine. I'm still pretty sure that she used a reference image, and it's not like we don't have many examples of cats actually being described with big paws in the series...

I still say they're too big, but if you're gonna keep them big, at least make them all the same size. Like I said, the far back leg's paw is much thinner and smaller than all the other paws, and the closer back leg, the toes seems shorter than the other paws, and almost square-like - round it out a bit. Jayie Unwritten words~ 23:05, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

I think the paws are fine actually 12:33, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

They differ in size too much. The far back paw really shouldn't be that much smaller than the far front paw. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:35, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Winter, honestly. It looks fine, and it's really not that big of an issue. 23:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

The paws are the exact same distance away, and yet they're very different sizes and heights. I'm sorry, but I really, really think that's an issue. Jayie Unwritten words~ 23:59, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Jayie. They should be the same size. 00:38, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Actually now that i look at it the back paw could be bigger 12:03, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Blossom (Lo) ~ For Approval
I messed up so badly >< This a record for me, first tortoiseshell and loner. Comments? 23:30, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Define the belly shading, and there doesn't appear to be any shading whatsoever on the legs not facing us. Is that intended? -- 00:05, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think it is intended but you're right, it should be added. Can you blur the shading between the elbow and haunch? And define the tail shading. 00:51, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

The shadings looking a little flat. Define it a bit?, idk --Dewsplash (talk) 00:59, September 23, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash, 00:59, September, 23, 2015

There's texture on the tortie parts 01:31, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload The left legs shading wasn't there at first because I forgot it >< I think there's supposed to be texture, but I could be wrong. 07:26, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I still can't see texture on the tortie parts. Also, define the main body shading plz. 09:05, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think the patterns on and the patches itself should be more smudged than this.

Reupload 23:00, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Smudge the patches more with a 1px hard edged brush 03:26, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 07:44, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on her front legs 09:51, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:00, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the neck/face a bit. 00:34, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 23:10, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

I still think the lighter pattern can be smudged more and have a smoother transition with the darker parts. 03:09, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

any advice what that? I if I smudge it anymore >< 23:07, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

It's fine to be honest. 01:30, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Can you just smudge the patch where the body meets the tail? The rest of the patches look fine. 13:17, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:08, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

Comments before approval? Stealthfire, this is beautiful, as always with your art. 00:23, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

I apologize, but I still can't see texture. Would you like the file for my version of the loner? I got all the colors and stuff from Beeb's file. 02:53, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

Which texture do you mean? I have texture over the tortoiseshell patches and texture over the edges of the white near the patches. 22:51, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

We can't see the texture at all, actually. Are you making the texture the same way you did for Houndstar..? Because the thick lines line that aren't texture... they're lines. They should be thin and probably smudged or stylized whichever way you prefer.

I can tell you that the rogue's got texture that is drawn with long lines then smudged with a 1px hard edged brush. 09:44, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I've drawn the texture one pixel thick, and smudged it. I have a terrible smudge tool because it doesn't give me hard edged option. I made another layer of texture because it's difficult to see, but I'm thinking along the lines of darkening it if there's still trouble seeing it. 02:08, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe make the texture thicker. Not the lines themselves, they should be thin, but I mean put the lines closer to each other and add more lines, if that makes sense? An maybe try and smudge them a little more? It still looks a little... line-ish? 21:19, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 23:02, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs 06:23, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:40, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm gonna be that person, but I still cannot see texture. Try using a paint brush maybe? 02:39, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I'll try defining the texture more. It's got two layers and it's been darkened. I'm surprised you cannot see it. 07:25, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

The neck looks a little grey - wonderful job. 01:56, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

The white on her shoulder is over smudged 02:37, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 20:53, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Lets try this again. Comments before approval? 02:32, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the white on the shoulder still looks over smudged, and the texture should be smudged more- they look like lines. 11:40, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 20:38, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, one morem time. Comments before approval? 23:01, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to get killed but did you unsmudge the white on the shoulder? I compared the two revisions and there was no difference. It needs to be a bit more unsmudged. 05:51, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload yes, and it's as solid as I will let it. If you still have a problem, tell me to tweak the texture instead. 20:46, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

The transition is kind of... Spiky? The hardness is good though 10:37, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 05:53, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs? (sorry if i sound irritating and picky ;;) 13:11, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Yeah try to say it in once sentence/post instead of broken up. It is getting a little bit annoying. That's okay I'm not finding you irritated or picky. 21:04, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

I think the white on the shoulder should be smudged more, as the transition is harder than the transition on the flank. 21:10, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

May I please have a second opinion on that? I've been asked to smudge it again and again, then asked to sharpen it again and again now I'm asked to smudge it again. That's kinda frustrating really. 21:30, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

It's fine. 22:11, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpen the texture more, they look like drawn lines more than texture, to be honest. Try using the paintbrush instead of drawing with pencil then blurring it. ` 08:26, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Looking at the rogue, I think there are more yellowish-looking patches. but I don't know 100% ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 08:53, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Cats of the Park (Blank) - CBA
The female blanks can have the eyelashes added on afterwards... but I'm having issues with the short-haired blank? If someone could give me a hand with that, I'd appreciate it. Also the face. The face is bad. I'm proud of the body itself on the long-hair, but the face just totally ruins it.

I think the face should be less... narrowed? In this position, i think the eyes, nose and muzzle etc should be slightly... Moved more to (our) the left because of how the cat is positioned. 10:57, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think the cat's head should be moved more to the -->, and it should be a bit rounder(less elongated). 13:25, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think the "arms" should be more straight... right now it looks a bit...
 * pulls out the second book of Harry Potter*  Btw shouldn't this pose's head be bended to a "bowing position"? I think you should squeeze the face downwards and make the ear like, face downwards. Bare with my wording =P

Bramble, I literally used the exact same stance you did, since that's the one that won. I actually referenced your blank when I did it. I also asked for help on the face, because I can't do it. Just telling me what to do gets us nowhere. I need visuals.

The head looks a little too far to the side if it's facing forward, I don't think the neck would bend like that. It would make more sense to have it facing to the left and slightly down, like on the other blank, or else bring the head more to the right. The chest is much too wide. Look at this image: http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xt/75376402.jpg?v=1&g=fs1%7C0%7CDOR%7C76%7C402&s=1 The chest is mostly just the two front legs intersecting. There should not be that much bulk to the chest. Would you like a redline for some suggestions on anatomy, and positions of the eyes and such? Jayie Unwritten words~ 15:42, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Em, to be honest I think Winter's were way better than mine... Mine was screwed up because I had to enlarge them. I can't lineart either, so I tried my best. This is what I meant (I literally scribbled so) hope you get what I was trying to explain

maybe this for a very general redline? i dont know....you dont have to use it. (tfw u havent drawn properly in a couple years) 16:42, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

So my Photoshop crashed and I lost the file that had the new version of the blanks on, and I have no motivation to redo these since it took me a good five hours just for the first one. Someone else can have these. =/

Any chance I could take this one? Jayie Unwritten words~ 14:01, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

If you want, sure. I won't object to it.

Can I please have Ripple ;-;

Cool. Can I claim it on the claim table, or should I wait until this is archived? Jayie Unwritten words~ 15:11, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Silver, you can't claim an image that the blanks don't even have now. Please stop claiming them so soon. Jayie, you can claim it on the table. Might as well take over here. No point in archiving. 19:50, October 2, 2015 (UTC)

Ack, sorry this took a bit to upload, it took a bit to finish this. I'm pretty happy with this, but the head looks a little wonky, and so does that front leg, I wasn't quite sure how to fix them. Also, I made the long-haired a female before realizing the file was for a male - any chance the file could get renamed, as I think it's useful to have one of each gender up for approval, so people can critique the eyelashes if they want? Jayie Unwritten words~ 02:52, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Make the head a little straighter, or the neck. Whatever looks good. And I suggest looking at images like this:







02:56, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thicken the leg lines a bit? 02:58, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 03:52, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Enlargen and widen the head, and make the neck rise a little more. 03:54, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the hindpaw on the short fur would be visible considering the tail is thinner. Do you mind adding it? 04:02, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Hmm, I feel like with the way the hip is positioned, the paw is too far forward, but I'm not sure. Jayie Unwritten words~ 04:11, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't them be facing forwards and have their tails wrapped around their paws? I'm not sure though. I just thought it was a feature to that pose. Can you connect the chest to its belly... Idk, I can't describe how the cat is formed exactly...

Is it possible to like... Make the face narrow a little? 09:03, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Tried to make them face a little more forward. What do you mean about the face being narrower? Jayie Unwritten words~ 18:04, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

The head seems too wide. Could you make it rounder? Like a circle almost. 18:11, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Hmm, the head almost looks a little too small now, but I'm not sure. Jayie Unwritten words~ 18:45, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I think it's a bit small, but really only length-wise. The size going from <--- to ---> is fine, but... I think it could be stretched a couple pixels if it's not too much of a hassle. Wow, these look so much better.

'''Reuploaded. '''That looks better. And thanks. :D Jayie  Unwritten words~ 21:19, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

The head still looks too wide to me. Also, I think the legs would be closer together. 01:38, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

The width of the head is fine imo. My cats me heads are about that big... 01:40 Mon Oct 5

I think it could be lengthened so it doesn't look like it's flattened 02:13, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think the cheeks maybe just look too big? Cats don't usually have visible cheeks. 02:19, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

maybe like.......move it down some and extend the cheeck line to connect with the muzzle, it just looks squished. i think thats the word im looking for. 10:58, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

The cheeks? What do you mean? You mean the muzzle, or the sides of the face? Both would be plenty visible. And if I pull the line for the side of the cat's face any closer, it's going to be way too thin. And why connect the line with the muzzle? It tends to look strange and make the head look too disconnected from the body. And the head only looks flattish because of the angle. The head is tilted down; it's going to look flatter. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:13, October 5, 2015 (UTC)

Cats shouldnt have that much of a protruding chest...and the legs look a bit awkward, like theyre at the wrong angle 22:30, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

I was basing it on this image like Icy suggested, when people told me the legs were too close together and didn't match the pose: http://st.depositphotos.com/1202868/3370/i/950/depositphotos_33701417-Adult-cat-looking-away..jpg The front leg on the right does look a bit weird, though, I'll tweak that on the next update. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:34, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

The position was tweaked way too much from how it initially was, imho. Space out the eyes a teeny bit more, and the shoulders could use for widening a bit. 23:27, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Oooooooh, I see how this was originally supposed to look now. I'll revamp the blank to look more like this later, though this cat has an unusually round face so I won't make the face that round, and it looks like the tail fur is puffed out, so I'll probably make the tail smaller and smoothed out. I'll probably play with it a bit and not make it exact (I don't want to exactly copy any image off the internet to make a blank for the wiki), but I'll make it more similar to this. Jayie Unwritten words~ 23:33, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

I think I see some of the problem with the shorthair blank, Jayie. Shorthairs tend to just have their body structure protruding. I see on the longhair blank you got all the lil tufts of fur n stuff, but on the shorthair you followed basically the same lines as the longhair, and it shouldn't be that way. The shorthair's lines (basically) should be closer to the body, and less pudgy. Right now they look a bit too puffed. Also, the legs could use some thinning out, as they look like a bit like tree trunks atm. 00:48, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

I meant the shoulders, not the legs, forget that last comment OTL 00:49, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Pretty much entirely redid these in order to match the original reference used for the pose. I tried to match the pose pretty well, but not make it an exact replica. I'm pretty pleased with it, the anatomy looks better now than what I had before. Thoughts? Jayie Unwritten words~ 05:28, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Vary the long fur lines a bit more, they look identical to each other (notably the long hair tails) and I think fur should vary a bit more. 05:40, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 06:16, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Could you make the sides of the face straighter on the shorthair? 13:12, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Can you thin out the legs a bit more? 14:08, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Make the tail a bit less poofy. It sort of looks like something we'd give a cat for a notably fluffy tail right now. 16:32 Thu Oct 8

Reuploaded. Better? Jayie Unwritten words~ 17:59, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

The longhaired's tail still seems a little too fluffy. Could you make it a teensy bit smaller? 18:17, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe add some fluff to the hauch and legs on the long haired blank? 18:20, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

imo, the tail is fine on the longhaired blank. If it goes thinner, she's going to end up being told to thicken it. =\

Reuploaded. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 19:05, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

There's something bothering me about the neck... I think it's because it looks kinda jagged at the top near the ear, maybe curve it more naturally? 22:04, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Shrink the muzzle a little bit. 05:36, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Muzzle looks fine. 11:40, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Should the (our) right leg be little thinner? Feel free to ignore if I'm wrong, since I suck at anatomy. 15:43, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I mean, I think it's fine in proportion to the body, and I thinned it down from the reference picture because the cat isn't as roundly-shaped as that cat, but if you think I should thin it down a little more I will. Jayie Unwritten words~ 06:46, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

idk but the leg to our right looks... bumpy? 05:55, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Tried to smooth it out. Jayie Unwritten words~ 12:46, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Comments before approval? 22:13, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

I am so sorry and I really hate to break the CBA, but I find that the body needs to be lengthened a bit. Body-wise (rump and back need to be extended <<<<< that way), not the head. Also, I find that the forelegs are at awkward angles, as when a cat turns to face another direction, the only part that really turns is the chest and the head, not so much the legs (as seen here, here, here, and here). Thus, try moving >>>>> this leg and paw over a bit so that both forepaws are visible, move the <<<< foreleg over a bit to our right as well, and make the legs straighter. The chest and the head are fine, but can you round out >>>> this shoulder a bit more, please? If you don't understand what I mean, I can try giving you a suggestion with a redline? Again, my apologies for breaking the CBA. 0:40 Tue Oct 13

I feel like you're making these comments without being aware that this pose is very much based on a reference, so I'm gonna put a link up for the reference to show you that's why the pose looks the way it does: http://oi59.tinypic.com/2lupgxz.jpg I'll still make some changes if you want them, but a cat can definitely be twisted around with the forelegs in that position because the cat in this photo is doing it. Jayie Unwritten words~ 00:55, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

The fluffy fur on the long-haired seems to me like it should be spikier/pointier, if you know what I mean.(I can't really explain it properly) 00:58, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Jayie Unwritten words~ 01:12, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... See how the fur on the tail has a point at the end, and the fur on some other parts has a rounded tip? 01:14, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I know what they mean, but I think the fur is fine the way it is. I wasn't suggesting on changing the pose, but instead of taking that approach, can you just space out the forelegs a teensy but more and round out the haunch a bit more? Then I think we'll be good to go. 1:26 Tue Oct 13

I think the head is small comparing with the size of the body. Enlargen it a litte? And I still stand by that the muzzle looks too big... 08:27, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Cats have normally small heads so its fine 12:07, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Yeah, the head actually does look better bigger, looking at it now. Jayie Unwritten words~ 17:18, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

I honestly think it looks too big now. 17:35, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Like I said, I think it looks better now that it's a little bigger, and I just got told to make it bigger, so I'm gonna keep it as is for now, but if more people say to make it smaller, I will. Jayie Unwritten words~ 17:44, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

It looks fine. Comments before approval? 20:32, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Swiftbreeze (A) ~ CBA
... 16:06 Sun Oct 4

Lighten the facial shading a tad. 19:33, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, could you lighten the shading in general? Also, are you still working? ouo It's been almost four days on the wikiclock, so I think I can ask this lmao

Perhaps smudge the stripes a bit more? 17:18, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I can't. I'm too busy with school, thus withdrawing. 23:34 Thu Oct 8

I'm taking over 23:38, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded this sucks ;; 03:49, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading, especially the facial shading. 15:40, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

The stripes don't quite seem to match the other images. Can you try darkening them a bit? 21:53, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

The other images have a certain texture to them that I'm not seeing here. Either add some texture or smudge the stripes more to add a bit of...idk, fuzziness? That's sort of what it looks like on the other images... 13:31 Sun Oct 11

Re-uploaded I tried 09:01, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define the facial shading a tad more? 01:38, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I hope this did anything 03:15, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Nice. :) CBA? Jayie  Unwritten words~ 17:19, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Rockfall (W) - For Approval
I know I'll probably have to smooth out the shading some more, just wanted to get this up before work today 15:14, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the paws further away from us. 15:40, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Define the earpink a little, maybe? This turned out nice :) 11:10, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the haunch shading. 13:29 Sun Oct 11

Smooth shading everywhere? 22:26, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe darken/add shading along the back? There's a little patch of lighter shadow there

reups 23:09, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading more? If not, that's ok. ~ Blossomstream The War Is Over 08:27, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thrushpelt (TC) (Ki) ~ For Approval
06:12, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

oh my gosh this is so adorable I just want to give Thrushkit big hug! XD Can smudge the texture a tad? Just so it matches the other images a bit more. I'm suddenly more in love with Thrushpelt than before. O.o 06:31, October 13, 2015 (UTC)

re-uploaded 19:16, October 13, 2015 (UTC)