Warriors Wiki talk:World

Citations on the Events Timeline
Alright, I need to point this out.

Half of the Events Timeline is made of pure assumption.

A lot of the citations say something like "the river was icy" to proove that a cat was born in the winter, when rivers can be icy in late autumn and early spring. I see a bunch of citations without any page numbers listed.

For instance, citation #4: "Thistleclaw, Sweetpaw, and Rosetail are born two moons after Bluekit and Snowkit, making it late Newleaf when they're born" We don't know it was the first moon of Newleaf when Bluekit and Snowkit were born, and thus can't substanciate that Thistlekit and his siblings were late newleaf.

There are almost no normal citations on this page consisting of book and page number only.

I think that the citations on this page could really use some investigation and revision. Basically, the entire page needs to be revised. And that falls to this project to take care of. 20:33, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * At the absolute least the fact that this page is conjecture-based rather than provable fact based needs to be addressed at the top in a warning box styled thingy. Half of that page probably isn't even correct, because it's mostly guesswork, and conjecture has a tendency to be proven wrong when better information (or actual fact) comes to light. The article needs a definite review to make sure every citation has a page number that at least proves the source of the conjecture, if not conjecturing being outlawed (as it is on the /rest/ of the wiki) or rules for the exception being written and outlined on the articles talk page (to clarify that this article does not comply with "no proof-no inclusion" rules). 20:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I agree it needs kind of a revision. I've been talking to teldy about that for a while and finally got the example for what I was telling her about here. I still need to make a template for the double cites so it's easier, and make a minor edit to the reflist template so it's able to have group names, but it gives you a basic idea at least. 21:26, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Also on the topic of the Events Timeline, I'm just curious, will a new timeline be made for the next series of books? It'll be a bit far flung from the current timeline to include unless we're told specifically how many years pass between the beginning of the Clans and Crookedstar's Promise. 22:59, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

So are we going to rebuild the whole thing or try to find correct citations that actually say what season it was? Either way, I can help with that. --Starry Hawk My Talk!  23:04, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's a good "template" Paleh, I think it could work once it's ready. And Starry, we are basically going to revise the page and fix the citations with page numbers etc. 09:31, 04, 06, 2012

Hey, it's me. I was checking in on the wiki and I naturally came to PW. :) I would like to point out that the Detailed Events Timeline has appropriate references for Crookedstar's Promise and Bluestar's Prophecy (I hope :)) and that you could take some of the references from there for those two books. Thanks, 04:03, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Good point Squirrel (and good to know you're doing okay :)) any correct references on either timelines could help with fixing the references for the opposite timeline. 08:59, 14, 06, 2012

So are we in agreement that the timeline should be changed? I've finished the cite in a cite template, and Lightning has helped make the reflist template work, so everything's ready to start changing the page if we all agree. 06:13, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. I think we should make a start on this. 02:38, 30, 06, 2012

I agree too. =3 06:14, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

SkyClan - Silver Nomination
SkyClan is a good article because it's long and has a lot of detail and information. Comments? 19:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Finish After the Flood. 03:19, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 18:28, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add a couple of more cites to the In The Gorge section? 18:48, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

...Eh...do you mind telling me what sections? I think it's fine, but, if you agree. 22:15, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I think more cites could probably be added to the very end of that section, after it says Skyrock is much he Skyrock is like ThunderClan's Highrock. there's no cites after that point, and I believe it could use some. Also maybe before It lists the locations. *is a n00b at giving critique on nominations* 06:16, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and also, look through the cites and fix the improper ones? Many don't have page numbers, and some don't even have books. 06:21, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 16:35, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Could you add references to "Further Appearances", and if you choose to, break up some paragraphs in "History". 05:22, 04, 07, 2012

Can I actually just remove the Further Appearances section all together? It doesn't serve any use and the books there have already been listed. e.e 02:57, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm...perhaps put it that section in past tense? I'm not quite sure, but also add one or two more cites to the last paragraph of the forest territories section. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Past tense was nearly impossible, so I removed it. (If that was wrong, say so, I'll put it back). Added cites to the last paragraph of Forest Territories. 01:25, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I am also going to add a "Visitors" section, as Leafstar added new rules to her Clans about visitors in SkyClan's Destiny. Check the section for references. 23:05, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

The Visitors section has been added. 21:28, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add maybe one more cite to the beginning of the In The Gorge section and can you expand The Forgotten Warrior any? 03:20, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I can't expand The Forgotten Warrior, but I did add a cite. 17:44, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Unique Battle Skills - Silver Nomination
I cited everything awhile ago, and the things that aren't cited I'm looking for cites right now. Comments? 04:56, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I added cites to the rest of the article. 05:10, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Add a few references to the introduction of the article if possible. 02:32, 30, 06, 2012

I added one that was most like what the introduction said, but I didn't see anymore. -- 17:44, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

By any chance could you add a reference to the introduction to the Speed and Agility Battle moves heading? 05:08, 04, 07, 2012

Yes, I can, and I did. =) -- 06:08, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Cite every under the ThunderClan and ShadowClan sections, and it doesn't hurt to repeat citations. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Finished. 22:25, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... CBV? 04:02, 13, 07, 2012

Queen - Silver Nomination
It needs a few more cites, and I'm working on adding that in, but overall, it seems like a good article. Comments? 16:53, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

You stole my nomination >:| xD  Just fill in those cite tags with references, otherwise great job! 04:44, 04, 07, 2012

The last three paragraphs under the nursing section could do for some cites as well as the last paragraph of the restrictions. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Also add citations and references to the cats without them under the section "List of Queens". Some cats have citations but some don't. 04:28, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 16:57, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Tunnelers - Silver Nomination
Doesn't seem like there's a lot of things wrong with it. Comments? 16:54, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add a few more references to the Education section? 04:12, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I would think to add more references over the entire article actually... 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. (The amount of repeated references...Heathertail, why didn't you expand your book pages?) 16:29, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

No comments in a while and everything seems good. CBV? 04:11, 13, 07, 2012

SkyClan Territory - Silver Nomination
I added cites, but I don't see much else. Comments? =) 06:05, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Add soem cites to "Location" under Geography, and possibly a few more History. 03:04, 05, 07, 2012

Finished. -- 22:11, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Significant places and a bit of the history could use some citations. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 22:08, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Horse ~ Silver Nomination
Me luffs horses<3333 Anyways, comments? 17:15, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

I think this needs the Description and Relation to Clan cats sections. 17:27, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Add in some links and possibly flesh out Crookedstar's Promise a little bit. 04:53, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Also, could you find some cites for the description of the animal? owo 04:56, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Wait - for the description section that I need to add, should it just be an expanded version of the begining paragraph of the article? 19:09, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think. 19:12, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

I would check out the Wolf article's description if you need to refer off of something. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. However, I didn't add anymore cites to the beginning paragraph (that small description) because there was a cite for each sentence already. 05:24, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Detail the history, cite "Relation to Cats", and cite the description. Good job. 15:58, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

A lot of cites come from wikipedia, since wikipedia has references too, could you take those cites and replace them with the wikipedia cites on the article? 04:18, 13, 07, 2012

I sthere anything you could add to CP? 03:39 Mon Jul 16

Deepsands Gorge- Silver Nomination
I can see that this page needs much expanding. I'm gonna add the Beyond the Code and After the Flood summaries. Comments? 18:56, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Could you try expaning the section on SkyClan's Destiny? =3 19:07, July 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alright 19:09, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Could you also expand Firestar's Quest and The Rescue? 19:13, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Adding more citations would also be beneficial to this article. 21:00, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. I'll get to that on Monday. I don't think I'll have too much time ;) 22:18, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Just another question. Is the Deepsand Gorge SkyClan camp, basically? Or part of SkyClan territory? Thanks. 15:17, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Do you have Firestar's Quest? Or SkyClan's Destiny? In the map, The Gorge is the Deepsands' Gorge. 00:06, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok. Yes I actually have all of the books except After the Flood and ''Enter the Clans. ''So yeah. I'll look it up. Thanks. 14:35, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm so sorry about procrasinating guys. I'll try to get this done later today. Thanks. 16:29, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

River Alba - Silver Nomination
Alright, I've been working on expanding this for awhile tonight. I'm surprised that it isn't mentioned as much as I thought it would be o-o Anywho, comments? 00:09, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Can you cite the end of '"Dark River? 00:14, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Expand the history and add something in the description about River Alba being called River Alba by Twolegs. 00:18, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I've been trying to expand it as much as I can. I can't find any exact descriptions about the river itself anywhere else. But I'll keep looking. 14:05, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add a description section? 16:07, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Splook might not be able to work on this until she comes back - see Thunder on the approval page for more information. 10:40, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Template for Warrior Code?

 * I was talking about this and another user in chat, and I am here to propose that The Warrior Code gets a template for the rules. (Or the rules broken.) The Warrior Code is very important to the Clan cats' life, and important to the life of a Clan in general. It has been around for generations and generations and right now, the list of rules is bare. A template would help it. So, comments? Disagreement/agreement? Suggestions? 02:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

A template could work. :3 Any ideas for how it could be setup? I personally like this idea. 06:01, 11, 07, 2012

A rough suggestion is something that looks like the Allegiances template - but maybe we could use something more colorful? 17:44, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. Maybe it could have the rules and the characters who broke them. I would also say that they could list what book they were established in but all of them (I think) were made in CotC. 16:05, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Or maybe it could include what story it was established in? 16:08, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds good. 17:51, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, sounds like a plan. Perhaps we could mention any changes in that rule, which cats have broken it and when, and the origin of the rule. :3 04:28, 13, 07, 2012

Sounds great DJ, Chez, and Icy. -- 04:29, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me.-- 12:44, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

I really like this idea. I think it should have What story it was established in, the changes, when/if it was broken, and if the cat(s) who broke it got punished. (Basically all that was said above) This idea will definatly spruce up the bare page. Great idea Appledash! And Skye ;) 03:29 Mon Jul 16

Well since it seems as though everyone agrees on making a template, I think a more active conversation would start if there was an actual draft of the template so we can choose on what to add or what to remove. =) P.S. 'Teldy can't do much because she's really busy x.x 03:59, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tallpines ~ Silver Nomination
Well, it looks good to me, I'll start expanding whatever sections are needed tomorrow. Other than that, comments? <span style="">03:51 Mon Jul 16

Can you expand Forest of Secrets? 14:17, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

I''l see what I can do, it's only mentioned twice. ;) <span style="">15:06 Mon Jul 16

Snakerocks - Silver Nomination
-sigh- Been ages since my last nomination. I'm adding in the last sections and cites currently. I think Snakerocks is a good article to nominate, I'm working on the concerns now. Considering I did this all in not much time e.e Comments? :3 <span style="">05:46, 16, 07, 2012

Can you expand Midnight? 14:17, July 16, 2012 (UTC)