Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Dark Whiskers (SC) - For Approval


The key word is blur. The shading and highlights must be blurred together to make the pelt smooth and not blotchy. Use the smudge tool and the blur tool together, do whatever you can to make it a blend of light and dark, and not patches of light on a dark pelt. Everything else looks fine, Shaf. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather (K) - For Approval


Take the smudge tool to it. Make the stripes look like faint feathers brushing the pelt, using the images on Creekfeather for reference. The shading needs to be less blocked, and more subtle like shadow. You may even have to completely redo. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy (Alt. Queen) - For Approval


Shade the strip of white on her back, where the shading ends. If the background is transparent, the shading should have no effect on the background. I see nothing else wrong. Nice job, Elorisa. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's some blurred lineart on the back. 22:26, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I color-picked this, and it needs to be a very very light gray/silver. (barely white) Yours is completely white, change that, but other that and the other stated, it looks good. 22:28, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sagepaw (A)- For Approval


Blur all shading thoroughly, particularly that on the haunch. Other than that, very nice, Dovesong12. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

This is great! Blur the tail shading and the shading on the back. -- 20:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Dawnstripe (Q) ~ For Approval


Setting 24 hours before approval. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I still think the stripes could be a tad bit more noticible. Nice job otherwise! 03:34, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 20:08, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Pouncetail (Alt. A) - For Approval


Setting 24 hours before approval. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can hardly see the shading and highlights. Umm, add more of them, I guess. 22:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I can see the shading that they have, but I think that they should add a bit more, like down onto his bottom, and shade his tail. Then blur the shading and highlights. 00:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Birchfall (Alt. A) - For Approval


Blur so that the pelt is smoothed, and not blotchy. Use the blur tool and smudge tool, whatever you can, to smooth out the patches of light and dark so it all runs together smoothly. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Macgyver (W) - For Approval


All the patch transitions and ear pink must be blurred. Shading needs to be added; use the burn tool to add shading along the back, chest, tail, legs and head. You may want to withdraw this and work with our art tutorials on your own, to learn about shading, before you continue to work on this. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink looks very unnatural. Try using a different, less neon shade, and blur it as well. -- 20:22, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Birchfall ~ Alt.Kit~


Ear pink desperately needs to be blurred; take care not to blur the lineart. Make the pink color fade into the gray, so it is not popping out. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Background also needs to be transparent. 03:35, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

ok i'll get right on itMaplepool 23:00, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

There is one pixel that you are missing; on the back foot. 22:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

 Reuploaded  hows that? Maplepool 23:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

oh i see a mistake allow me to fix it before you comment on it^^ Maplepool 23:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ok NOW you may comment Maplepool 23:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Please rename it Birchfall.kit.alt.png there is an extra period there. Darken the shading, make the ear pink more reddish, darken the nose colour-- 04:33, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You are still missing that extra pixel. Make the ear-pink smaller. 16:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darkstripe (Alt. W) - For Approval


Much too dark. Lighten the entire image, and then blur/smudge to smooth the highlights together with the entire pelt, so it blends together and takes the appearance of a natural pelt. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Done. 20:32, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before approval? (It was seconded by Bramble, and she asked me, so...yeah ;D) 02:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Minnowtail (Alt.Ki)


Add some shading and blur thoroughly, so the pelt is smooth. Darken and soften the ear pink, so it does not stand out so much. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

'Reuploaded. 'I sorta re-did it. I think I need more blurring, though. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 19:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I can't see the lineart at all; the pelt color is too dark. Try using a lighter very dark gray color. -- 20:17, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Add shading and lighten pelt color, also maybe make the ear-pink a little bigger.★ ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ ★ 22:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made it lighter and earpink is enlarged. But I still think the highlights should be blurred. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 23:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's better, just maybe add some more lighter highlights on the chest and face.★ ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ ★ 23:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It's still too dark. If you can't make it any darker, that's okay. :) Also, there is a stray pixel on the far right paw that you should fill in. -- 23:26, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt. Kit)-For Approval


There is blurred lineart around the yees, which needs to be fixed. The shading on the kit's left side is too thick; lighten some of it in the center and blur the rest, to make the pelt look smoother. The kit also looks cross-eyed; make the pupils in the same position in both eyes. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''I completely redid the image because my previous one was so terrible XD. I've fixed the eyes, shading, and pupil location. Thanks, Bramble! ^_^ -- 20:17, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading into oblivion xD 22:07, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Nice pun, Oblivion! ^_^ Better? -- 20:16, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. Just darken the shading around the arms, back leg, tail, and head. 20:33, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Plumwillow (A) - For Approval


Either lighten the shading on the back or get rid of the highlight next to it by darkening it. Then blur thoroughly. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sunstar (Alt.D) - For Approval


Ear pink is too dark and desaturated. Use Firestar's ear color, and see how that works. There is also a white pixel on the chest fur, near the top. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Are the changes showing? 03:36, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Earpink is too big. It's almost out of the lineart; try making it smaller. 03:37, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Made it smaller. 03:39, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I also blurred the little orange outline. 03:49, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I still think there is something going on with the ear pink. Also, the lineart near the part of the tail nearest to the rear looks slightly blurred. -- 20:30, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

There is no blurred line-art there. Could you be more specific on what is wrong with the ear-pink? :) 20:31, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? I guess I described the area wrong. Here:



I've drawn an arrow to the blurred spot. It's okay if you don't see it; maybe it's just me. :) Also, for the ear pink, could you make it a tad lighter? It's sorta hard to see it. ^_^ -- 20:45, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:52, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's better. :) Looks good. -- 20:59, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink is still all weird... There's a section that seems to be cut out from the original and stuck further up the ear, if that makes sense. 21:44, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Better? 22:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the haunch, midriff, muzzle and forhead shading. Other than that it's beautiful. 22:06, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Mosspool if Bramble didn't decline it this should be ok. Blur the earpink a tiny bit. 22:36, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. 22:41, November 23, 2010 (UTC)'''

I'm not sure if this is just my computer, but I see faint lines going horizontal through the body. Blur them a bit, but don't mess up the shading/ highlights. 16:09, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Those are the texture that I gave him. 16:18, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can you desaturate it? It doesn't look like a very natural colour. Darken the ear pink and tail shading. There is some blurred line art on the tail-- 01:23, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sweetpaw (Alt. Kit) - For Approval


Return the lineart to its original color on the face; it has been paled. We'll see how it looks after that. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded 04:48, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic. All I see is that the mottled spots could be darkened a tad. And the ear pink could also be darkened. 22:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded 22:40, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

It sorta looks like the ear pink in the right ear is darker than the ear pink in the left ear. Can you fix that? If not, looks great! -- 02:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think the right ear is darker because of the shading. 05:37, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. =) Never mind. Looks good. -- 20:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The shading needs to be darkened a little, mostly on the bottom. Otherwise, it looks great! 22:16, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Cora (W) - For Approval


Lighten the entire image and blur thoroughly to get rid of the pixel-y texture. Everything else looks fine. -- 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can do that. Be back soon! 00:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Mapleshade (W) - For Approval
Yeah, laugh it up, it's terrible. Bring on the comments! Let me guess, the orange is too bright? You know what, there really is an advantage to staying up late! XD 05:46, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the patches together more. This looks great!-- 06:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

As Nightshine said, blur the patches; right now they look too separated. This is fantastic! -- 20:19, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The gray/black splotches look...kinda un-natural somehow. Maybe change the pattern, instead of keeping it as the dip and hill thing. XD Nice name I gave it, eh? 20:23, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

http://calicocat.info/calico-cat/calico-cat-1.jpg I sorta referenced off this cat. I want it to look like this. . . I love her pattern. I don't know. . . . xD I guess I can try and change it a bit, yeah. 21:53, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, Dovesong. All I see that the shading ion the black transistion should be darkened, and all the patches should be evenly blurred together. Other than that, it's marvelous. 22:02, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading and, like everyone else said, the transitions. Good job :) 22:04, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm re-doing a lot of it XD I found a copy with better shading, I guess I re-did and forgot about it, and also I think Frostheart is right about the patches so I'm changing them completely XD 22:08, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

VERY good but blur the patches like said they seem very um ah unreal to meal blur them that should fix it other than that its awesome Maplepool 23:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe try smudging the patches a tiny bit? It looks sorta cartoony. :3 16:34, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I was going to, but then I forgot about it XD I'm gonna try changing the shade of ginger. . . it looks really bright to me. 21:44, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Umm, I tried again. . . better or worse? Not too sure about this. ..

Wow, this is wonderful! The only thing I can see is between that space between the forearm and haunch that's usually transparent is gray. Make that transparent again, please. Good job! Holly dapple  01:17, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy (Alt. Queen) - For Approval
So many things wrong with this charart...This is my first one for the project! 07:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Make the patch on the forehead a bit thinner, and darken the shading. Great image! 07:43, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink more noticeable. 15:12, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. It's barely visible. -- 20:50, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

~Reuploaded~ 23:13, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think the ear-pink can still be slightly darker, other then that it's really good.★ ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ ★ 01:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the ear-pink is still un-noticeable. Shouldn't you color in the nose? 04:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

~Reuploaded~ 05:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Smudge the patch on her paws a bit more. 20:36, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Dewkit (Kit)- For Approval
Yeah.. this is my first Charart so, comments?★ ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ ★ 00:36, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

This is really good! Either make the highlights thinner or thicken the shading. 00:46, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It looks nice, but the ear pink is too large, and she looks very bluish, but she was only described as gray, so maybe make her, umm, grayer? XD 01:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded.★ ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ ★ 02:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit more and make the ear pink more reddish. Thicken the shading as well. -- 02:33, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Blossomfire ₰Misty's best friend!₰ 19:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Hmm, ear-pink didn't turn out too well, oh well that can be fixed. I darkened the shading as well.★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 20:30, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded again, I fixed the earpink more.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 01:12, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Fernshade (W) - For Approval
Comments?-- 02:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink is a bit brown, and could you blur the splotches a TAD more? Not a lot, or else it will ruin the awesomeness. XD 02:34, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Looks amazing! Darken the tail shading toward the tip. (Or dodge the tail a bit more; I'm not sure which you should try.) -- 02:43, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded darkened tail shading, blurred splotches a bit more, changed ear pink-- 03:04, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Very good! Smudge the white transistion on the tail though. 18:13, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded smudged white on tail.-- 22:13, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink is kind of oddly coloured, the bottom of it is darker than the top. Make it all the same colour. 01:05, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks more realistic that way; like it's a shadow. So I'd like to keep it.-- 01:22, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, then. I see nothing else wrong; CBA? 01:23, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sparrowfeather (W) - For Approval
Here she is! Not so sure about the mottling... comments? 03:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I love it. :D Could you darken the shading, though? 03:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can you also darken the ear pink and blur it? Darken the scars as well-- 03:05, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Fixed shading. 03:05, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Darkened and blurred earpink, darkened scars. 03:08, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit more. I love the mottle :) 03:12, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear pink more still. Maybe change the colour to be more reddish. Can you also make the scars a deeper colour? They're a bit hard to see-- 03:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

This is amazing! Make the scars more red, and darken the shading/brighten the highlights. 05:39, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Darkened shading, scars, and earpink. 12:13, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion, this is stunning! All I see is that you should add some shading on the scars. 13:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It looks awesome :) Maybe just darken the shading a bit. 21:43, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. The shading just looks bad if I darken it. And I tried to add shading to the scars, don't know how well that turned out :D 23:28, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

If the shading won't darken, then brighten/add highlights-- 00:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 01:01, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Add some shading/highlights to the tail; it looks sorta flat. This is great otherwise! :) -- 01:18, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Added highlight to her tail. 01:29, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, the whole thing looks a bit flat to me still. Are you sure you can't darken the shading? I can try to help if you'd like-- 01:31, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Palefoot (W) - For Approval
Comments? <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  14:05, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

This looks great! Add a few smaller stripes to his shoulder and haunch, lighten the ear pink and make it a bit bigger.-- 17:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading on the back? Looks superb! -- 20:21, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink could be slightly bigger, other then that it's really good :)<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:26, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Sparrowkit (Ki) - For Approval
My first charart! Comments? ★Moon leaf★  15:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I do not think you should make a charart for a cat who has an unknown description. 16:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh :(. Should I delete it? ★Moon  leaf★  17:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't delete it. Let's see if we can find Sparrowkit's description. XD If not, this will be declined. 17:21, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it only says on his page "a big tabby tom". ★Moon leaf★  17:22, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Make him look like his mother, Kinkfur, she is called just a tabby and she is a brownish color. Also I would make the tabby stripes more visible.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 20:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't make a charart for a cat who does not have a cited description. 20:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I saw in a Browse Inside for Night Whispers that said he was a tabby tom.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 21:04, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

So should I reupload or just delete? ★Moon leaf★  21:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think you should leave it up and just make him brown, considering we made a charart for his mother whose coat colour is described only as tabby, why can't we for him? 21:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I think you should do too.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:01, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You do have a point, Mosspool... but I don't think he should have one, not until we find a colour. 22:04, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Just because he's described as a tabby doesn't mean that we can give him any color we want. I think that unless someone who has a copy of Night Whispers (I don't) can find a cite for his pelt color, this will have to be temporary declined. But that's just my opinion, and it's not my decision to make. 22:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

But like I said, that's what we did for his mother so why not him? Anyways, if he doesn't get a charart then Kinkfur probably shouldn't either. 22:28, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded ★Moon  leaf★  22:43, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, just maybe darken the shading more. We still will have to wait and see if it will be used though. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 23:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded again ★Moon  leaf★  23:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, Mosspool, but I don't think that cats who have don't have a pelt color should have a charart. But Kinkfur's charart's been done already, so I don't think we should do anything about it. Personally, I think that we can't just assume that because a cat's a tabby that they're brown. We could temporarily decline this until we get a color for his fur, but that's only my opinion, like I said before. I really don't mean to offend anyone, just state my opinion. 00:45, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Blackclaw. Also, I don't think we should clutter up this and keep commenting. We should wait for a lead to handle this. 02:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Daisytail (Q) - For Approval
Wow...I can't believe it! My first charart here in a LONG time. I'm not so good with patched cats...oh well. Comments?  HA WK FI RE98  15:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this to the correct section; next time, please put this in the charart section. There is some blurred line-art on the tail, legs, and the ear. The highlights look a tad bit blotchy too. 15:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the shading on the muzzle, it looks good so far. <font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 20:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the patches a lot. 22:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Add some highlights to her muzzle, shoulder, and haunch with the dodge tool and turn her nose pink. Looks nice so far. <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blackstar (Alt. L)- for approval
Comments? 23:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. =) Blur the shading all around. -- 23:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Make the background transparent as well. 23:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink.-- 00:27, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink and shading a ton, and maybe make the highlights brighter. 00:41, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mothpelt (L)~ For Approval
What do ya think? 02:38, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic! Darken the shading on the brown transistion near the back. 02:47, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is really good! Though the right ear-pink looks slightly smaller then the left.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 02:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

The nose seems really dark. 03:02, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Mistkit (SC) (K)~For Approval
Not extremely proud of this one. I wasn't sure if I should the bristled pattern on her pelt like Thistleclaw has, but I'll put it in if needed. Comments for Improvement? <font color="#ff0000">Scarlet <font color="#6bc3f0">wind <font color="#37e06b">Medicine cat of <font color="#e8cf2a">SolarClan 03:54, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Sunstar – Alternative Needed?
Sorry Frosty, but I still really don't think we need this image as ginger and orange are the same colour. 05:56, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said before, orange and ginger are the same colour and I really don't think we need an image for this. 21:55, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Either way. . . orange and ginger are the same colour. . . if you are all so sure that there is some difference and know that we do need to make an alternate for this, then tell me and I'll listen to you! But right now I'm not seeing any reason to make one. 01:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this to a different section; trying out some new things. =) I'll try to answer you, Dovesong. When we first came out with Sunstar's description, all we had to go on was his description on page 22 in Secrets of the Clans; a tabby tom with yellow stripes, green eyes, and long fur. We had no idea he was ginger until Bluestar's Prophecy, I believe, which is when he was noted as bright ginger. We'd already made him sort of a pale cream color with yellow stripes; if you look at his current art there is nothing bright ginger about it. If we make him a separate leader image plus the deputy image, without the tabby stripes and a very bright orange, there is a major difference. What do you think of this? If you disagree, please state your reasons and we'll try to get to a conclusion. -- 01:46, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think he needs an alternate from the simple fact that his current deputy image and the alternate image look nothing alike. 01:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I should vote here, since..I'm the one who made the image? XD But I would not put up an alt image if I do not think that it deserves it. I do think that we should do both the alt. leader and deputy image, since being a tabby is different from being a 'plain' cat. XD 02:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Uhh, if you didn't know that when we made the images then shouldn't we just tweak his current images rather than making new ones? We didn't know, but we do now, and when we learn something new about a character's appearance we usually tweak it rather than making new ones. And also, they aren't always going to say a character's entire appearance, sometimes just part of it, so they may not always describe Sunstar as a tabby, maybe just orange. We wouldn't make an alt for Jayfeather because he was described as an undersized tabby apprentice once, rather than an undersized gray tabby apprentice. You know what I mean? Unless he was described as solid ginger. Then it's understandable. Ha ha, Frostheart, I'm pretty sure you're allowed to have a say in this xD 02:12, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

His current description appears to be bright ginger, with no mention of tabby stripes. Screw cat genes for a moment; assume he is solid orange because it is not stated otherwise. If we keep his two original images and just add in alternates, they would be very different. I do not think we should completely disregard the description of tabby with yellow stripes from Secrets of the Clans, because that book is official as well. In the case of Jayfeather, you added a color but kept the tabby; in the case of Sunstar, you have stripe color and then a different solid pelt color. Yellow stripes on a bright ginger pelt is going to look hideously strange. =) -- 02:36, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You have a point there, sir. So now either he is some really weird looking bright orange cat with yellow stripes or just has been described two ways. I guess, with that in mind, having alternates would indeed make sense. Except I would make the brigter tabby-less ones his official image since Sunstar had a bigger part in BP, like what we did with Mosskit. What do you say? 03:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that he was mentioned as bright ginger in Code of the Clans, not Bluestar's Prophecy, and only as deputy. 03:35, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, he was seen as bright ginger as a leader too. I am re-reading BP, but I just passed the cite, like..50 pages ago? XD I'll try to find it. 03:57, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Just add the cite to the page when you find it. =) I think the debate has been resolved now; I will archive this in 24 hours. Frostheart, you can continue work on the Sunfall image. I think from now on we should do any such debates like this one; moving them to a different section so there isn’t a big huge debate in the image section where critique could be going. Thanks, guys. =) -- 02:11, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Join?
Hi! Can I join the Project? Thanks! 04:51, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! I've added you as an apprentice. Please take a look at the guidelines before reserving and posting a charart. If you have any trouble making your images look at the tutorials for help. I hope you enjoy this project =)-- 06:20, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Can I Join?
Hi, can I join the PCA?<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#0000CC">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 12:25, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Of course. Welcome to the project, Rainwhisper! You'll see a helpful list of links on the project page, and you can always seek help by other experienced users. They'll be more than glad to help you! Meanwhile, I'll add you as an apprentice on the page. Thank you for your interest in joining us! 22:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks:)<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#0000CC">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 22:20, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Moonleaf - Join Request
May I join the PCA? :) ★Moon  leaf★  18:22, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Of course you can join! Soon a senior warrior, deputy, or our leader will add you as an apprentice. Welcome to the project! :) Scarletwind 22:12, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, Moonleaf! I'll add you in now. I suggest looking at the guidelines and some tutorials before you get started. Welcome to the project! 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

PtEЯO&gt;-Join request
May I join project character art?

I have contributed to this wiki before but I would like to contribute with art as well as words

PtEЯO&gt; 19:09, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. I suggest looking at the guidelines and some tutorials before you get started. Welcome to the project! 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Maplefrost - Join request
I have been wating anxiously for the 23rd :D so I could join. I am EXTREMELY interested in joining Project Charart. Thanks! Maple  frost!   19:43, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Of course, Maplefrost! I'll add you in now. I suggest looking at the guidelines and some tutorials before you get started. Welcome to the project! 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Guys . ..
Hey guys, I'm so sorry I have been inactive, I recently adopted the poor fledgling Wicked Wiki and I've been so busy with life in general. . . well, I'm in a musical, I have Beta Club, Knowledge Bowl, loads of homework, and I've taken to writing.

So I am taking an indefinite leave of absence from here until I can contribute to this Wiki properly.

So sorry guys. 01:28, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

*sighs* I know, homework takes up a whole lot of time... I really hope everything works out, Mousetalon. Until then, may StarClan light your path. 22:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Darn
I made a charart for Dewkit and already uploaded it here but I didn't realize Rainwhisper made one too o.o I have no idea what to do. This is my charart: ★Moon leaf★  01:54, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh sorry, you can do a charart for her brother or sister instead. By the way how do you get your name onto the Current Projects chart? I tried to do it but I kept messing it up.<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 02:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

This should help: link. Now, Moonleaf, I would recommend reading those guidelines so you don't make errors in the future. As Rainwhisper is already doing Dewkit, then you cannot do her as well. It is considered impolite to put up the same piece of artwork that another is already doing. I've removed that image. I also need to ask you to remove the image from your signature; if you read our signature policy you'll see that they are not permitted. After reading the guidelines, if you still have questions please ask. -- 02:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, sure. ★Moon leaf★  02:24, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

So do you just copy and paste it onto domewhere on the chart, or do you have to do something else?<font color="#6600FF">★ <font color="#3399FF">ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ <font color="#6600FF">★ 02:25, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

There, I tweaked my sig so it doesn't show the image -> ★Moon  leaf★  02:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Rainwhisper; I am assuming you can place your name in alphabetical order with the others. Other than that, there is nothing else significant that you have to do to get your name there. -- 02:44, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Joining
May I join Project Charart? 01:45, November 25, 2010 (UTC)Mintstarr (Talk)

Sure, Mintstar. I'll add you in right away. These links can help you: here and here. Thanks for your interest in joining! -- 02:11, November 25, 2010 (UTC)