Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Finpaw and Sandynose
We tweaked everything to match, didn't we (Sparkpelt, Jake, etc.)? In that case would Finpaw apply? Wasn't he described to look exactly like his father? Would he need tabby stripes to look identical to his father, in that case?

Twigbranch is said to be identical to Hawkwing, but it was decided she wasn't going to be given stripes. Idk if it's the same case w Fin and Sandy. 05:09, 6/09/2018

The difference here is that he was never explicitly described as a tabby, so the most we can do for now is give him identical coloring. If he's mentioned as a tabby, then he'd get the same stripes as his dad.

Alright, but what about Spottedpelt? Since she was described as resembling Spottedleaf her white chest was kept despite her not being described as having one. Isn't this the exact same situation?

pretty sure it was owing to the "striking resemblance", basically saying she looks extremely hauntingly similar. imo if it's deemed not needed, it should jut be deliuted to an off white, likes been done with other torties. as for fin and sandy, the same colours should apply, and perhaps the ginger legs stripes should be the same too, at the very least? fin wouldn't have to be a tabby and they'd match in everything except body stripes. 19:00, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. Though speaking of Spottedpelt I'd like to bring up Gorseclaw (TC), who doesn't seem to match Tigerstar in terms of colors or stripes even though he is said to look strikingly similar to him, just like Spottedpelt. For Finpaw if I remember the artist matched the colors from Sandynose but I'm not sure.

yeah I couldprobably agree with that. it would't have to be identical but it probably should be the same colour and stripe style. 00:53, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for posting again, but I want to bring attention to Raggedstar and Hal, which Broken brought up on the approval page. The cite says they look exactly the same, yet their stripe style, colors and pelt length don't hold true to that (unless I'm blind or missing something). I think one should be tweaked/redone to reflect that, because in the end it's a book cite. What are your thoughts on this?

You're not blind^^ Hal's stripes are different than Raggedstar's, like on the head, and overall. It's hard to say about their color, but if it needs to be redone for matching stripes etc. Then I'm fine with that, just a little hesitant about changing the pelt length. 13:57, 6/11/2018

Well we were going by "If they look exactly the same, tweak them to match" so Hal would call for a tweak, at least to make his colors and stripes match Raggedstar's. Pelt length, not sure. I don't remember if he was listed with a speific pelt length.

I don't think Finleap would need tabby stripes, as I don't recall him ever being mentioned with stripes (such as what we did for Hawkwing and Twigbranch)

19:47, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Finpaw does not get tabby stripes due to him not being called a tabby. The only part of him that might get tabby stripes are his legs... but other than that? No stripes, and we should be following the same rule as Hawkwing/Twigbranch. (  19:50, 6/11/2018  ) ​

I agree with Skye^^ I don't think a cat's pelt length needs to match if they have look alike cites, personally, but if we do end up changing that gonna throw in that it also affects Honey Pelt

I guess we can all agree that Finpaw/Twigpaw shouldn't get tabby stripes. If this is the case, can I have more input on Spottedpelt for a consensus? She was described to look similar to Spottedleaf but she has a white chest despite not being cited with it (I think striking resemblance =/= identical, imo). And regarding Honey Pelt, he is said to "just look like" his father I believe, so I think his pelt length won't need to be changed because it doesn't mean "identical". Personally I believe that if two cats are said to be identical, this would include pelt length as well. If one cat is short haired while the other is long haired would they still be called "exactly the same"?

I'd imagine if she wasn't described with a white chest, she wouldn't get one, since this is basically the same thing as Finpaw's stripe case. I do agree with what you said, if two cats are said to be identical, they'd look the same, even pelt length, and also gonna agree with Honey Pelt's pelt length not being changed.

13:55, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Gonna be the unpopular one here, but I feel due to Spottedpelt's striking resemblance to Spottedleaf, who is cited with white, we should make an exception and keep the white for this instance. While we don't typically do that, I feel that they were trying to make a point that Spottedpelt and Spottedleaf are almost exactly the same. I also don't think pelt length should be tweaked to match unless one of them has a cited pelt length (whichever one does would mean the opposite gets tweaked, I'd say). Other than that, you can have cats that look alike, but still have shorter fur than one another. (  06:53, 6/16/2018  ) ​

Well if that is the case, would you agree that the same standards should apply to Gorseclaw and Finpaw (meaning, he would have Tigerstar's stripe style, pale parts etc. Of course Gorseclaw wasn't cited with mackerel stripes, but if you agree that Spottedpelt should get a white chest then this should also be the case, because it's what makes them exactly the same. And according to Finleap's trivia, he looks exactly like his father, which seems to imply that they look the same, not just similar. So I believe that this is the same case, unless of course the trivia isn't what the book really said)? And of course if they're just similar, pelt length can be varied. I'm trying to argue that if they're exactly the same (identical), then their pelt lengths should be the same. If one is short furred and the other isn't, can you call them identical?

And I'd like to add that Hawkwing and Twigpaw are just said to look a lot like each other, not identical. So I agree that Twigpaw shouldn't get stripes. However, Finleap is said to look exactly the same as his father, which seems to derive into "identical". If we end up keeping Spottedpelt's white chest, this should be the same case too.

Redoing the healer blank
We had a discussion about the warrior, medicine cat, and deputy blanks when they were all the same pose but just a tad different. We said they were all different and therefore should have different poses / different blanks. Should that not be the same with the healer and the leader? A healer is not the same rank as a leader - there are much differences. As if now, the healer blank just looks like it has a tail snapped in half. I believe that (I am so sorry to bring this up during a wave of blank redos / charart redos, but I feel like this would be very quick) that we should consider a redo of these blanks.

02:24, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I have always thought the healer deserved its own blank. They are not Clan leaders, they are not exactly the same. They should have their own blank. Yes, this shouldn't take too long, the longest process would be actually making the blank, but afterwords it should go pretty quick. 02:37, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I agree^^ It is it's own rank and we should make one different than the normal leader's pose.

When I first joined, I didn't think the healer had a blank, I thought the edited leader was temporary (no offense, but that's what went through my mind after seeing that the deputy/med cats had been redone) They definitely deserve their own blank.

Yeah, they should have their own blank.

18:03, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

I have opened a forum for people to enter in their blanks, here.

01:43, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

Redoing cave-guard and to-bes
Hi, sorry, but the cave guard and to-be blanks have major anatomy issues and I am suggesting a redo for those.

10:54, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. The to-be's have more issues than the cave guards honestly, didn't we decide on discord the cave guards would have more of a "tweak", fixing up anatomy errors, but in general keeping the same pose? I don't remember, but either way, I'm still in favor of this. 13:09, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with both^^ I think the general pose of the caves guard could be kept, but redo it to fix anatomy + since it does happen to be up style the fur and such aesthetically

I think both just need minor tweaks, really. Neither really have more issues than the warriors blanks. The to-be looks mostly fine - the near hind leg could use some adjustments, and the tail and lineart in general needs smoothed out but otherwise it looks good. Cave-guard just needs smoother lineart and the tail fixed. I don't think they need to be redone: someone could probably do either with the same file. 21:33 Tue Jun 19 2018

Agree with Raelic, the anatomy of those doesn't seem that bad compared to the anatomy of the warrior blanks, and they shouldn't be completely redone

Agreeing with Raelic to tweak them. 20:56, June 21, 2018 (UTC)

Any comments before I put up a vote on agreeing to tweak or redo the cave guard and to-be blanks?

21:53, June 21, 2018 (UTC) Here is the forum.

01:48, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

Kittypet blanks
Hello everyone, I also wanted to suggest a redo of the kittypet blanks as well. As gorgeous as they are, I cannot help but notice some striking anatomy issues.

For example, the cat's head is turned 360 degrees, like an owl. Since cats do not actually have the capability of doing that, it most likely means that the cat's neck would be completely snapped. The tufts of fur for the long haired are also extremely bothersome, and I am not quite sure if the arm placement on the back is correct. I do not even know if the shoulder should stretch that far. The cat also looks as if it is smiling, and it seems to somewhat have bangs.

I mean no offense whatsoever. I am just pointing out that we have redone blanks in the past for less reasons than this, and I believe that we can probably get a more realistic looking blank if we do.

Thoughts?

01:59, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

I dunno, I feel like as this one, it's not as bad as say, the warrior or the cave-guard. Some simple tweaks would suffice for this one. Plus, some other blanks also look as though they are smiling. I would support a tweak, as there are anatomy issues.

Does anyone know how many kittypet blanks are currently in use? If there were a lot, then I'd be less inclined to even touch them, just based on the overhaul of work. Sure, we could probably do it even if they were a lot, but we are also editing the to-bes and cave-guards, and making hunter, unknown, and healer blanks. And re-tweaking and re-doing images. I feel like we enough on our to-do list as it is. Just my opinion. Not trying to be rude or anything. 02:52, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, I am not suggesting we do all of this now. I am just bringing this up as an idea.

02:59, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

meh I mean, as it is, the cat's neck would be literally snapped.... so that seems like a large enough issue to fix. that's largely because of the pose, too, because of how the head is placed, and how the back is. The smiling part is fine, but I'm not sure if it would be possible to tweak the head in such a way that's correct but isn't already a redo in and of itself. I'm sure we'll munch through them eventually, but too much work, to me, isn't a reason to justify having broken cat necks c: We could even do something like we did for the deputy redos, two a person.

i dont see them smiling an issue dont @ me

but okay, let's be real - these cats ain't owls. they're legit snapping their necks lmao. There's 157 to do, and if there's 28 of us, that'd mean... 5.boiiaintcountingthedecimal images between everyone. --

But some people have done way more kittypet images than others, so they will want to be the ones to redo all their original images. They might have ten whereas I have one. The ones made by now-inactive people are fine to redo, but we won’t all get 5 to do. (Sorry if that isn’t what you meant)

15:48, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Since the head is at such an awkward angle, I think that should be fixed. The smiling part doesn't bother me at all - a lot of cats irl look like they're smiling, plus some of the other blanks that were listed above. 17:17, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

the head is....honestly a minor thing. I've barely seen complaints about it (compared to the warrior and kit anatomy) and it just seems like somthing that could be overlooked, because theres really not much wrong with them otherwise, and we already have a zillion blank redos/new blanks right now. 21:37, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Considering how much we have to do right now, how about we wait until things calm down a little bit before deciding on what to do with the kittypet blanks? 19:28, June 25, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe that’s best. We could get caught up now for most of July, and then maybe near the end, or early August, we could work on the kittypets if the vote goes through. Then we’ll have a few months for The Raging Storm comes out and won’t be stuck doing nothing. But we’ll also not be overdoing it. Idk.

23:50, June 25, 2018 (UTC) If you agree that the kittypet blanks have major anatomical issues, there are blanks that definitely have worse, like the warrior and the kit blanks. If these were passed as fine, I don't see a reason for the kittypet to be redone.

Okay so...what do we think? Decisions? A vote? Comments, anyone? C:

08:02, July 8, 2018 (UTC)