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Prophecies and Omens ~ Silver Nomination
Before you comment, I'm still adding references. :P Besides saying add in references, comments? 02:28, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure there aren't any more omens in the Omen of the Stars Series? And add in the things for CP. 18:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

We should rather add the references with a real ref tag, such as I did here. There are some double links that should be eliminated. Other than that, it looks good. :) I don't have the newer books, but as Mistystar said, you should look for additional omens in the last books. Kind regards, 18:54, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm.....I don't have the new book either, but I'll get it in 2 weeks. Mistystar, is it okay if I add in the things from CP later? Or can someone help me add it in? Oh, and Mistystar, should we do Helix's idea? 02:28, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm...Can you try to use the Browse inside for now? And, yes, you should use Helix's idea. 01:05, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

I tried the Browse inside, but it works very slow for me. Any other ides? 12:48, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Which books do you want to check? I could use the Browse Insides for you. 17:52, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise. I'm checking the OotS series for prophecies and Omens right now, so I can do that, but I really need Crookedstar's Promise. 02:18, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to use the Browse Inside to do that, but since you're getting the book soon, you can look through it then. 19:07, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Squirrelflame! And I just flipped through Night Whisperes and I think I found an omen. It's when Flametail thinks he's floundering in the water. If you want more details, go to page 193 in Night Whispers. It's to complicated for me to describe. xD 13:40, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oh that looks like a good one! Yes, you can add it in, but what are you going to call it? 23:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Umm.......I don't know........ 03:12, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think there are some omens/prophecies in the field guides (especially Code of the Clans), could you add those? &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:XXXSpecklestreamXXX/Sig}} 06:09, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try........ 12:49, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I found some omens/prophecies (I think), so I'll list them below. Tell me which ones you think are prophecies/omens and which ones aren't.


 * 1) Falling Branch. It was between ThunderClan and ShadowClan when it fell, making code 2.


 * 1) The Owl. Instead of taking Driftkit, it took the mouse instead, making code 3


 * 1) This one I'm not so sure of. It's when the medicine cats visit the Moonstone and dream of their fallen clanmates and see former battles. When they wake up, they discuss and suggest a new code, code 14, deciding to annouce it at the next Gathering.


 * 1) Like the one above, I'm also unsure of this one. It's when the three fallen WindClan kits visit Graywing and tell her how precious kits are. It makes Graywing suggest a new code to Ivystar, making code 12.


 * 1) Same as the 4th one. I'm also unsure of this one. It's when Redscar has to appoint the new leader. It's moonhigh when he appoints her, so he thinks of the new code for the Warrior Code, code 9. This one is long to explain, so if you have Code of the Clans, then please check code 9.

Those are the ones that I think are omens. There are some from Warriors App, I think, since Specklestream added one from there. If you have Warriors App, please add them in since I don't have it. 13:16, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think the 1st, 2nd, and possible the last one. I don't have the Warriors App either. :( 16:37, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think the first, second and third one are good ones to add in. 18:44, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I added in some references with a real ref tag. I did it to "Like Fire, You Will Blaze Through the Forest". Does it look good? 00:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! I'm getting Crookedstar's Promise tonight, so I'll add in the CP stuff as soon as I can. 05:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

YES! I got CP! =D Anyways, in CP, before Hailstar appoints the new deputy, he goes to the fresh kill pile. He sees a squirrel with a twisted face that was caught by Crookedjaw. Mapleshade tells Crookedjaw it was her who made the squirrel like that. Does that count as an omen? 07:38, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't think so. We should consult Mistystar, though. 18:59, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Bleh. I'm describing it wrong. Let me start again. Before Hailstar appoints the new deputy, he goes to the fresh kill pile. He sees a squirrel with a crooked jaw that Crookedjaw caught, and says it was an omen from StarClan and appoints Crookedjaw the deputy. Later, Mapleshade tells Crookedjaw that she kept her promise. When Crookedjaw asks her if it was her who put the squirrel, she doesn't reply. It's kinda like Mudfur with the moth wing......... But yeah, we should consult Mistystar first. xD 13:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone make the references for The Owl section and Fallen Branch section into a real ref tag? It keeps saying revealed in an unknown book, so I used the different way to cite references. 13:36, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think the CP one does count as an omen, since Hailstar thought it to be one. 16:28, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I'll help with the references... 17:42, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't read it yet, so I didn't know how it really went. Yes, that should count as a omen. 17:54, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't you add in that prophecy about fire and tiger? The one that had Firestar keep Squirrelflight away from Brambleclaw? 18:20, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

I've been adding in the ref tags for all the books up to the Omen of the Stars. Just letting you know. =) 19:03, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

The fire and tiger is already added in, but it's added in as an omen......And thanks Squirrelflame and Mistystar. I'll add in the CP one now. 07:21, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have any idea what to call the omen about Flametail drowing in the lake? I have no clue what to call it except for Drowing which sounds really weird. 12:42, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Engulfed in water? That sounds weird too. 00:32, July 24, 2011 (UTC

Better than mine anyways..... 02:13, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'll just stick with Squirrelflame's idea then..... 08:35, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, since no one can think of a more reasonable one. 19:36, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody check the Engulfed in Water section? I added it in, but it looks....weird. 02:43, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it does... I fixed it up a bit; does it help? 18:35, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah! It looks better now. Thanks! :D 01:22, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not working on this a lot....when I get home tomorrow I'll work on it. 13:50, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

It's ok, Rainey. We're all human and we have busy lives. No need to apologize. =) 23:03, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering: Should we add in the omen/dream of the two rocks in the stream that later turned out to be false? And should we add in the butterfly's wing torn that led Leafpool to know that Hawkfrost put the wing in the den? 23:44, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

All references added except for the Three Becoming Four Prophecy and the SkyClan's Hunting Grounds Prophecy. I don't have SotM or the Warrior's App, so it would be nice if someone filled that in. 23:48, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I can do the SotM section, but I can't add in the references for the Warrior's App section. And I agree that the two rocks in the stream and the butterfly's wing should be added in. 05:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm wrong but should there be an omen like the five long lines and the three short ones on the Stick that Rock showed Jaypaw to show that the cats would survive in the tunnels? Also is the one where Mapleshade visits Crookedkit to make him make the promise count? Even though it wasn't really an omen or prophecy and Mapleshade was from Dark Forest.

Owlstar, what do you mean about the five long lines and three short ones? And I was thinking about the Mapleshade and Crookedstar thing to. It's kinda like a prophecy some how, but we'll just have to wait what the leads think about it. -- 06:46, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should add in the lines on the stick because Rock showed Jayfeather the lines as an indicator that they were lost in the tunnels, but only after the eight cats got out, he scratched the lines off. And I don't think we should add in the promise either because it was more of a revenge thing that Mapleshade wanted to make Crookedstar suffer. 19:41, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Squirrelflame. Should we wait to see what Mistystar thinks? 03:03, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Just making sure. Isn't there more Prophecies and Omen's in the Po3? I'll do a check through the books soon.

I agree with Squirrelflame. Those aren't really prophecies. 20:52, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

So I added in the references for the Three will become four prophecy but I didn't add in the reference that says the meaning since it hasn't been revealed yet. 02:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose so 19:06, August 4 2011 (UTC)

Ok, remember to add in the stones and the butterfly wing. 20:10, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I added in the one about the two stones, but I can someone help me with the butterfly wing? I don't have the book, and my friend is preparing to going on vacation the day after tomorrow so she can't help me either. 08:23, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I would help, but I completely forgot which book it's in and I cna't find it. 18:08, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I believe it's in Sunset. I can't find the page though.  ☮Owl      X      Glitter☮..    4EVER The Peace is Perfect☯  04:29, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks OwlxGlitter! I found the page and I'll add it in. 19:37, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Anything else? 03:07, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! CBV? 18:14, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 20:21, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Fox - Silver Nomination
Looks good to me. Comments? 21:00, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

The top paragraph could use a few citations. 21:10, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Relations to cats and Relations to Twolegs could also use citations. Foxes also appear/are mentioned in Into the Wild, Forest of Secrets, The Darkest Hour, etc. I'll try to get a full list soon. 20:04, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Animal articles need a completed, cited, description section, according to []. This should be separate from the introduction. 17:00, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Alright. I'll go through all my books I have that I can remember that have incidents with foxes and see if I can add more citations. 02:30, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I looked all over the article, and it looks great to me! 19:47, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Added citations to the description. 14:39, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, looks good! Except there has to be a whole new section for description, just like there's a section for the Relations to Clan cats section and Relation to Twolegs section. 17:04, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Should I add it under the template? 15:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... No, don't. The Description shouldn't give away anything about the plot. 23:38, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, it doesn't. Should I just keep it like this? 21:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

No, add a Description Section, but put the spoiler warning after it. 23:49, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Everything is basically stated in the description and the relations topics. Should I shorten the top paragraph (introduction) and add more to the description section? 22:23, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. Keep this sentence: Foxes are medium sized, dog-like omnivores that live in dens, in woodland and shrubland. And put everything else in the description. 22:49, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 16:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! Now fill up the history, and it'll be perfect! I'll try to help if I have spare time. 20:12, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Alright 15:11, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Can you add a few references to the Relation to Twolegs section? 19:06, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Badger - Silver Nomination
I'm working on expanding the history and relationship to cats. I'm just nominating it now. 18:16, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Is it necessary to cite every sentence with the same reference in the Description section? It seems unnecessary to me, but other users do it, too. 18:22, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Squirrel's got a point. If it's all from the same source, then why not just cite it at the end of the paragraph? I could understand if they were in different parts of the article, but they're not. 03:02, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

If its possible, you could also use a different book or source to cite it from; other than that, though, great work! 03:28, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Could you possibly mention Midnight in the relation to cats section, as it is very important to the plot of the second series. 21:03, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I see the references are now fixed. I also agree with Specklestream. Add Midnight in very briefly in the Relations to Clan Cats section. 18:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Since it is fixed and there have been no other comments, CBV? 22:59, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 20:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

This will now be continued until Moonflight expands the History. 19:54, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Expand Forest of Secrets and Firestar's Quest if you can. 21:50, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry for appearing dead. I've been busy. :) 18:42, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

ThunderClan ~ Silver Nomination
I added in all the appropriate headings, and I think it looks good! This is still a reservation, though as there are many Coming Soon templates that I'm going to fill in. 00:20, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

It does look very good. See if you can expand the description and the last paragraph of Midnight. 15:19, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Description expanded. I can't really expand the last paragraph because that's where the book ends, and I don't want to go into detail with any of the cats, as the article talks of ThunderClan as a whole. 23:50, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with it! 23:03, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, nice job! 16:44, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I still need to add in the Short Stories and Plays section, so after that we'll see. 20:52, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Whew! Finally done! Comments? 22:26, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Could you flesh it out the Short Stories and Plays section a bit more? 15:41, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

The short stories aren't really based on ThunderClan, but more on ThunderClan cats. Like I said before, I don;t want the summaries to be based on ThunderClan cats, but on the whole Clan itself. I don't know if that makes sense, but I'm not going to expand it more. 18:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

CBV? :P 19:43, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up! 19:15, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Twoleg Kit ~ Silver Nomination
I know it needs work, so this is more like a reservation. 21:55, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it does. XD 22:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Expand the "General" section if you haven't been thinking 'bout it. 23:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for neglecting this a lot. I'll start fixing it up more. 21:01, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Could you expand the "Relation to Clan Cats" a bit more? :3 04:07, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I expanded it a bit more. xD 18:51, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

It needs a Description section. 01:34, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Does a Twoleg Kit count as an animal? I didn't know that... 18:35, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Twoleg doesn't have a Description Section. 18:38, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Well, then it needs a General section. :P 19:48, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Done, but its short, since Twoleg kits are rarely seen. 19:24, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Place of No Stars - Silver Nomination
I think it looks good. I went through and expanded the history a bit, and overall it looks fine to me. Comments? 15:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm guessing this is a Silver Nomination? :P Looks good! It needs a Terreitory section, though. 23:42, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah xD Alright, I'll add it in 23:54, July 31, 2011 (UTC) Wait, wouldn't the territory section fall under Description? 22:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently not, according to this: Guidelines. You can have a little territory section since there aren't any major landmarks in the Dark Forest. Just put in stuff about how it's all dark and no sunlight ever reaches it. 23:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Added. 21:04, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! 21:49, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

References, references, and references. XD Add some more in! :P 20:53, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Deaths
I was thinking it would be nice to have a page with a complete list of deaths like the nursery has a complete list of births. Is this necessary? If so, which page should we put it on? 00:46, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it would merge with the Timeline. Are we going to have a separate page, or maybe merge it with StarClan or just keep it on the timeline? 00:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should add it onto StarClan/Dark Forest but only the ones that we actually know what book they went there in (eg. Yellowfang, Bluestar, Lionheart, Hawkfrost, Feathertail)  ☮Owl      X      Glitter☮..    4EVER The Peace is Perfect☯  06:56, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know, OwlxGlitter. If we only accounted for the ones that we knew where they ended up, our list wouldn't be so complete. I think we should merge it in with the timeline then. My only concern with that is that the list isn't so complete right now. We can all work on adding the deaths in. 22:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, lets merge it with the timeline. 18:21, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

What Can I do?
Hello all! I was wondering if anyone had ideas on what I could do. I haven't been on in a while and for that I apoligize. Thanks! ♥Firestar♥<font color="#33CCFF">Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 18:46, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, to start, you don't have to apologize. We can all go inactive in our busy lives. =) You can start nominationg characters again. Other things you can do is expand the articles on our stub list or improve the articles in our Concerns list. If you have any other specific questions, all you have to do is ask! 22:36, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nominating world articles, not characters. xD Also, work on the new content drive. Of course, also see the Guidelines. 18:13, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I knew that. XD 23:01, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

New Content Drive
Everyone, Prey is our new content drive. Please work on it. 18:44, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've been blank for most of last month so I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but are we going to make a template for prey as we did with medicine? :) 18:48, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I was on vacation of half of last month, too, so I'm not really sure what the decision was, but I'm pretty sure we are going to make a template. 18:50, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, we are going to make a template. I suggest the template being modeled after Medicine but including thse topics instead: Appearance, Species, three in-depth book mentions, and a list of other book mentions. 22:51, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I'll create it now, if you want. 20:43, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Icestorm, but I already made one. :P See here. Is it ok? I think that on the Other Book Mentions place, we can have a list of the book mentions, and below the template, we can do the three in-depth mentions in bullet points. 21:18, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Alright! I think that's pretty good, should we start using it? 21:33, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go ahead and make the template. 22:16, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Template made. See here: Template:Prey. Is the image too small? Can we find images of prey that are 150x150? 22:26, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, it isn't too small. We might not be able too, we'll find some bigger, but keep in mind we can shrink it. 17:02, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Right. So I'll go ahead and itt it to the article if no one has any objections? 19:47, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Have we uploaded all the pictures for the prey items? If not, I know a few good pictures that could be used. And are we allowed to use images from Wikipedia, since I'm sure they're fair use as well. 21:11, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

I added in all the templates, added pictures, and now I'm going to start expanding! Every member is now free to work on expanding and adding references. 20:23, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

September '11 Feature Article
So, I believe General Clan Information was suggested for this month, so we could do it for September, but I'm open to different suggestions. I know its early, but we should always get a head start on these. Suggestions? 18:47, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think General Clan Information seems good, too. It does need some more work, though, so maybe something else. The Warrior Code seems like a good choice too, but again, it could use work. I really want to do a Creature, such as Wolf, because we've never done one of those before. 22:58, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking about WindClan or ShadowClan. 23:04, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, those aren't even silver yet, and they need a lot of work. A lot. XD 23:54, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'll do the WindClan or ShadowClan work if you want. What do I need to do? ♥Firestar♥<font color="#33CCFF">Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 00:02, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well if we're going with Clans, what about SkyClan as well? It needs some work also. 00:05, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ohwut? They looked beautiful! xD If we can't do them, should we do The Warrior Code? 00:06, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

General Clan Information looks amazing. But if that doesn't work out, I also agree that The Warrior Code is a good second choice. 01:26, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. I kind of wanted to nominate all four Clans. It would be cool. Please? ;) I suggest choosing an article that doesn't need a lot of work. We're choosing a feature article, not a content drive. :P I think The Warrior Code would be pretty good as soon as some more references are added in. 01:32, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the Warrior Code. <font color="#9999FF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed"> ☮Owl    <font color="00FFFF"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  X    <font color="9966CC"><font face="Rockwell Condensed">  Glitter☮..    <font color="FF66FF">4EVER <font color="FF33FF">The Peace is Perfect☯  04:16, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll add some more references into that article, and we'll get some more opinions. 18:47, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Citations added! I think it's good enough to be featured now. 20:02, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think it deserves gold. CBV? 18:33, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

FA Nomination is up! Go vote! 20:34, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Gathering
I was thinking, should we have a list of all the Gatherings on this page and next to it say what information was revealed from other Clans? We could also write in decisions made at the Gatherings. Is this necessary? I think it would be a good idea, but I want to get some more opinions first. 18:58, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea, but how would we seperate each gathering. We can do it by book, but then what? Do "first gathering, second gathering..." It can get pretty confusing that way plus a hassle if there was a gathering unaccounted for. Plus there's a lot of "Prey is running well" gatherings as in no information is revealed. 19:03, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

In most gatherings, there's always some info revealed like when elders die or kits are born. I thought that we could separate the gatherings by book and by season. The Events Timeline would be useful here. 19:34, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that's a good idea. We could include what the leaders informed at each Gathering maybe? And maybe seperate the headings by book/series. Sounds good to me. 20:47, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Finally! I'm glad someone agrees! :P If we do end up working on this idea, should we make a template for it? I think it would be better listed out, though. 21:12, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should make it like the cliffnotes, except...for Gatherings. I doubt that we need to make a whole template for it. 18:08, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Cliffnotes would be ok. I was thinking of the headings, but I guess we could do it either way. 19:44, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Natural Disasters ~ Silver Nomination
I know it needs lots of references, but I added in some history and expanded it. 18:48, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it needs references. XD See if you can look through the books for mentions of any other natural disasters. 19:42, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps flesh out the Bluestar's Prophecy section some? :3 05:01, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is for major disasters, and the extremely minor ones like rain don't count, so thats all there is. I tried to expand BP, but I can't really flesh it out any more. 17:05, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Can you expand the introduction? It doesn't have to be that much longer, just two or three more sentences would be nice. 01:57, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

Done. 20:27, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Added Citations, expanded history. Anything else? 21:14, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

One more citation to the introduction? Not needed, of course, but it would be nice. ;) Maybe you can also find another citation for drought. For the references, you might want to put an actual page number rather than saying page Littlecloud's herbs freeze, or page Twolegs chop down the forest. 03:02, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Prey- Eagles
Hi, I'm not part of this project or anything, I just felt I should put a suggestion out there to help. I noticed on the Prey page you guys put up a picture of a bald eagle under eagles. I think you should post one of a golden eagle instead, as golden eagles are much more common in Europe. Just a thought, Shelly out. 21:34, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it really matters, since all eagles still count as eagles. Its still a good suggestion, but I don't think we need to be that specific. :P 23:00, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reservations?
Hi all. Long time no see, hope you all are OK. :)

I was randomly checking the Project talk pages, and noticed messages like "I claim this article", "I make a reservation for silver, and I'll work on it someday" "Since we're allowed to do reservations, I'll nominate this stub for silver"... excuse me?

First, as the guidelines point out, articles shall be nominated for silver (or gold) only when they are complete, with all information and references in place, and nothing (or very little) to fix. All nominations that are incomplete should be declined on the spot, and re-nominated when they are ready. There shall no be instances of "This article really needs a lot of work, and I don't even know what to do, but I'll nominate it so I could have my name on a silver nom."

Second, "reserving" an article is not only unethical, but downright against the Wikia Policies. Wiki content is the result of the hard work of dozens or hundreds of people, and no article should be treated at any point in its life cycle as the task of an individual member. Throughout the projects' history, members were not only allowed to but also encouraged to help each others with improving articles so they could attain silver grade.

I guess this all comes down to the recent tendency of several people having only self-rewards in mind. It's not like "I expand this page to silver, so all readers can have a good reference article", as it used to be. It's like "I expand this page to silver, so they could see that I have X nominations." More and more members have lists on their pages with their "achievements". Remember that most quality articles are the result of the work of dozens of contributors over months or even years, and no individual member should show off with them just for making the finishing touches.

Therefore, I propose the following (well, these are not proposals, rather reminders - they were always in place):
 * Articles shall be nominated for silver only if they are complete, and fit the descriptions in the Project Guidelines
 * No page shall be "claimed". Members can announce they are working on a certain article (to avoid edit conflicts for instance), but that shall not mean that others are restricted or discouraged to edit that page

Regards, 07:31, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, Helix. However, the only reason people are doing reservations are because if they're working on something, it wouldn't be fair if someone else nominated it for silver after they did all their hard work for the article. It's like saying so-and-so expanded this article and I'm going to nominate it for silver. Someone could be taking someone else's hard work and nominating it to show that they did it it all.

The members of Project Character Arts reserve images because they intend to make sure no one else reserves it before they do. It shows that they're going to work on it and get it ready in the future. We don't have a place to reserve articles, so we might as well do it on the talk page. And even if we do reserve articles, it doesn't stop others from editing it; it merely proves that the article is one of our first priorities and we intend to work on it in the near future to make it a silver-rated article. If we don't work on it for a longtime, others are free to take it away.

No one "claims" an article. Everybody can work on it, but it's just a reservation to make sure no one else takes it from them. I'm sorry if I sound defiant, but I see nothing wrong with reserving articles. Thanks, 18:57, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Helix explained the fundamental wrongness of the reservations clearly. It's one thing to let others know you're doing heavy edits to avoid conflicts, but understand that in defense of this idea that someone can "take an article from someone else", since when has anyone ever owned an article on this wiki? If that's your point of view on how the wiki works, Squirelflame, then I suggest you step down as a leader of this project, because you're violating fundamental ideals of what a Wiki is about. Character art does reservations to prevent duplicate work (if they're reserving things they're not working on, then something needs to be reconsidered at that project, too), as no one can see the art you're doing until you upload it. Reservations should end now. They violate the NOT Policy: They are not personal webpages. 21:56, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kitsu, that is uncalled for. I respect you and all, but, just because Squirrel doesn't agree with something, gives you no reason to tell her to step down. There are some wiki policies that don't make much sense, anyways. This seems to be one of them. We don't all agree on things, and I think there are people that need to understand that. Squirrel is talking about someone putting all of their time into fixing up an article, and then having someone else take it from them. She never once said anything about ownership of an article. I know this isn't my place, as mine loyalty is with PB, but I'm sorry. I needed to say something. Does this mean you're going to tell me to step down as well? 06:34, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kitsu, read your talk page. There's something you ought to see there. I just found it.
 * Feathertail Millie

Squirrelflame29, regarding your reasoning of "Someone could be taking someone else's hard work and nominating it to show that they did it it all" - did this ever happen? If no, there is no reason for such measures, as nothing good will come out of them.

Also, you cannot compare making chararts with updating articles, as a charart is supposed to be made by an individual person, while an article might be the result of the joint effort of a dozen persons or more.

I still don't understand why are noms so important. It is the article history that shows who worked on that page and how much; not the nomination.

Let me ask: Would you invest time into working on an article and on the wiki in general, even if there wasn't a nomination system (or equivalent) in place?

Myself, I had about 50-60 noms on this wiki - most of the articles built from the ground up or completely rewritten - but never had the idea of keeping a list. It's not why I did them. My "reward" was the respect and love of those I befriended here, and the knowledge that I helped so many people in having a good reference material. I also built dozens of articles to near-perfect state (or helped friends to do so), that were later nominated by others, after adding a reference or two, but I wasn't offended in the slightest manner, and was glad that someone actually cared. And it was the same with all other active editors I worked together. I hope that mentality will return one day.

Regards, 13:47, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I joined the wiki nearly a year ago, but joined the projects only a few months ago, and even then, there were no reservations. It seems to have started very recently, and many users, including myself, have started doing them.

Reserving things isn't necessarily selfish, since some users reserve things just so that they can improve the article, but its not unselfish either, because its kind of like hogging an article, which can be pointless, because many nominations have been reserved, but worked on by many different users. I know that these projects are nothing like PCA, but it seems that PCA is the most popular project on the wiki, so people get used to reserving things, and start doing it in projects other than PCA. I haven't been very active recently, with my long trip to china, and I'm sorry for that. I hadn't realized that it was against the NOT policy, but since it does violate the policy, we might as well stop. Unlike Helix, I fail at speeches, so, thats all I can say. xD

16:36, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I still don't agree. But seriously, I'm human. Isn't it ok for me to have free speech? My views are not the same as everyone else, but if that's the way it is, I will comply with the policy. Does anyone else think I should step down? 18:27, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I've been with PW for awhile now, and I felt like I should say something. When someone says "This needs tons of work so it's kind of like a reservation", to me it means that the article needs work, and the user is open to comments from all to see what the article needs to reach it's nominated status. Like I did with SkyClan, I felt as if I would get comments from others to expand the article and whatnot. But, what I don't feel is right, when a user wishes to do an article that someone else has nominated, to take it away from them or saying that you want to do certain articles so the other users who wish to do that article can no longer do so. This is just my opinion on everything, and I just felt as if I needed to say my opinion :P 18:42, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

I know that I change my opinion a lot, but I completely agree with Splashpelt. xD And, Squirrelflame, you've been doing a lot for this project, and should be able to stand by your own opinion. Since you will comply with the policy, I see absolutely no reason for you to step down. 19:10, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Squirrelflame, you are permitted free speech, the same as me. I spoke freely, honestly, and with complete candor about what I felt your stance meant, and how it reflected on the position you hold. The fact that you're changing your stance here shows that you are, in fact, a fit deputy. The fact that you're willing to take criticism and do things that you're not necessarily in full agreement with to support keeping the wiki in line with what a wiki should be says a lot about your willingness to set your opinion aside for the good of the wiki. I applaud you for that. Many in this fandom would have "stuck to their guns" and fought to keep with an un-wiki-like practice (the same way they try and remove the title codebreaker or traitor from cats who followed their hearts). Bravo on putting the "code" before yourself! 00:49, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Kitsu. I feel a lot better now that you have supported me as a deputy. I was considering stepping down, but now I won't. :) Thanks again, 02:58, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Where is my ShadowClan?....
Hey all! I logged in today and couldn't find my ShadowClan nomination. Anyone know what happened to it? ♥Firestar♥<font color="#33CCFF">Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 19:40, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

If you check out the announcements and the conversation above, then you would know that all nominations that were "reserved" were declined. ;) 19:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Thanks Atelda! I must've just been in a hurry and didn't see announcements. ♥Firestar♥<font color="#33CCFF">Firestar! ♥CATS ARE AWESOME!:)♥ 21:02, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lol, no problem. 21:04, August 16, 2011 (UTC)