Warriors Wiki talk:World

Character cites
Point brought up in a nomination above - some articles of ours are inconsistent, we have cites in character sections of event articles, and some do not. Should we keep the cites and add them in for articles that do not have them, or get rid of them from the ones that do have them and keep them out? 04:26, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

It seems more logical to cite them - perhaps not as precisely in the character sections, maybe by chapter instead of page, but in my opinion more cites the better. Since there's not too many articles done anyways, it wouldn't be too hard to catch back up 03:00, December 25, 2018 (UTC)

Any other comments? 17:55, January 6, 2019 (UTC)

I'm with Spooky on this one, the more citations we have, the better. That way nothing can be called into question due to lack of cites. While we shouldn't do it by page (that could be really sloppy and hard to read), doing it by chapter would be an easy enough choice... and for those who use pdfs and don't have access to page numbers (or novellas which don't have accurate page numbers), this would be perfect.

Downgrade articles
Some of our articles are rather poorly written and apparently are gold / silver status, when... frankly, they should not be. I would like to propose a downgrade system in which articles that do not pass qualifications to be gold/silver can be downgraded to either bronze, planned, or started (maybe silver). Frankly, a lot of these articles need so much more work, including the Clan articles specifically, which later I would like to announce need a concept rework. Thoughts? 00:47, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with this - it's a travesty to call some of these articles gold standard; and they can always earn it back later. PB once had something similar exist, I believe, we'll just make a massive list of what needs it.

^ if they don't deserve said status then they should be degraded, and although it belongs on other talk pages, could we also do this for other projects?

Agreed. If these articles need improvement and don't qualify for their current status, they should be downgraded. They can be fixed up and get their previous status back later. 17:03, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

Ohey look, someone's bringing up a downgrade list again. I tried this a few years ago and failed miserably...but if an article's content is that lacking, we should definitely be allowed to downgrade them and continue to work on them.

Hmm we all pretty much agree here, any other thoughts before we do this?

Dreams article
Pretty sure this was brought up sometime in the past and reached a quasi-consensus, but it died. Anyways, how about an article detailing dreams? It really doesn't fit into prophecies and omens, since not all of those are received in dreams etc. Dreams have become a major part of the series in their own right and also just a general part of medicine cat half-moon meetings. Thoughts?

Definitely. Not all dreams are prophecies, and not all prophecies are dreams. There have been special dreams that play a role in the series, so dreams definitely get an article in their own right. Maybe have the layout be similar to prophecies and omens, but instead put dreams?

As stated, not all dreams are prophecies/not all prophecies are received through dreams, but dreams still hold significant importance to the series, so I think the an article detailing them will be a good addition. 17:03, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

Hm, definitely seems like a good idea to me. How are we going to format this article? Given we're possibly going to split the omens and prophecies page, should we format this article like those two would be? Or, could we come up with something else...? Cause all the other page does is really just list them.

Clan concept article
Right now, our Clan articles, including SkyClan, WindClan, ThunderClan, RiverClan, and ShadowClan, are all extremely poorly written and some are even gold. Especially in ThunderClan's case, it seems just as if the summary of the book was rewritten and posted onto the article. Since our Clan articles are not supposed to be that, I came up with an idea of rewriting it, seen here. I was thinking that perhaps we could separate the history into leader eras, rather than books, as books just makes it an extremely lengthy article to the point where it never gets finished. StarClan is a different case all together, which I will work on a concept for. Thoughts? 03:29, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I'm all for it^^ We don't have to have sections for every book like PC articles anyways, and an article by leader would reflect the Clans a lot better and be easier to manage. Completeness is important, and that'd be helped a lot by this

My question is this: what exactly would be included in each era? Given the eras that we've seen drastically differ in size (compare Oakstar's era to, say, Firestar's, and you'll see what I mean) and content. Would we also be listing significant prophecies, omens, characters, ect, and whatnot relating to each Clan? Each of them do sort of have their own, and it would definitely be nice to put a focus on it... While I'm not a huge fan of completely scrapping the history, I suppose there really isn't much you can do about it when the series we're talking about has over 70 individual books and stories and whatnot.

I think it might depend on who writes the article. We would definitely have to include important things, like as you aid, prophecies / omens / characters, but we could also write an overview of their time, if that makes any sense. 20:07, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

Prophecies and omens
So I was looking at this and noticed two things: 1, that this isn't anywhere close to done, and 2, even given it's incomplete, the page is extremely extremely long. I wanted to suggest splitting it the way we did the Mistakes page, by arc. Thoughts?

Sure. Also, I think that some of the most important ones, like fire can save our Clan, should also get its own separate article. 06:20, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

Splitting it by arcs would probably clean it up, make it a lot more manageable. 06:10, January 3, 2019 (UTC)

^Agreed. 17:03, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

I've been wanting to split that page for years now, and I'm 100% for this. Please, for the sake of my poor laptops that can never handle these page sizes.

Since this is kinda unanimous if no one has any other comments I'll probably split it tomorrow

February FA
Any ideas? 06:20, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

How about Battle against the badgers (TNP)?

I had planned to add a legacy and expand the intro. I can do that tomorrow and then it can be looked at again. 18:25, January 1, 2019 (UTC)

Events timeline
Hello! So I've been working on the timeline and it's nearly done now, but I've come across a major problem.

Now, minor inconsistencies are common. For example, even though Spottedpaw witnesses Tigerpaw beat Tiny in Spottedleaf's Heart, she technically wasn't even an apprentice when that happened (she was born the same season) so that's considered a minor mistake.

However, I've found a huge problem with Crookedstar's Promise. If you take a look at the events of CP at 1 YBF, it actually doesn't show the end of the book (Silverstream's birth, Willowbreeze's death, all that) because from that last event we have there, the book jumps forward 12 moons and then a few more moons. The problem is, that goes straight into when Firepaw joins ThunderClan. Oakheart is meant to be dead by then and Silverstream is mean't to be a warrior in 2 seasons.

CP only has that placement because of Yellowfang's Secret. Unlike the other Before Firestar Super editions, YS has a clear timeline against the events of Into the Wild. It keeps track of every season, from when it starts as Yellowfang as a kit right until she first meets Firepaw. Using that, we used minor overlapping events between YS and BP & CP to place them on the timeline (I triple-checked every book, all consistently checks out). But now we know that causes a major overlap in events.

So right now, I can think of a few things we can do:

1. Count the minor overlapping events between YS and BP & CP as mistakes and adjust the timeline. There is a problem where the seasons and time passing match exactly to the overlapping events (mainly, Yellowfang becoming medicine cat apprentice then 3 seasons later, full medicine cat) in each book, so it is easy to tell they were being very careful to match these events very closely, but we can still dismiss them as mistakes. There's also no telling where CP and BP takes place, other than "countless seasons" and "many moons ago", so when we adjust we might be forced to go on vague estimates without concrete evidence.

2. Wait until Redtail's Debt comes out. It could give a timeline of when Bluestar became deputy (there is no indication how long after Bluestar was made deputy she was made leader) and when Redtail dies, but I don't have too much hope.

3. Put a 'Ghost Year', which will clearly state the mistake that occurred and just list the events of CP that happened. I don't know how this will work due to a cite in BP. Just before Firepaw joins ThunderClan, Bluestar notes it was countless seasons ago she was made leader, while the current timeline has her become leader a year ago at maximum.

4. Remove CP & BP from the timeline completely as there is no clear indication of exactly when the events occur as the evidence is not consistent.

So yeah what do you think? Sorry for the long read. This problem is so complicated and I tried my best to explain it simply. It's all very frustrating ><Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:59, January 4, 2019 (UTC)

First, we should probably wait for Redtail's Debt to see what is said there. I do not think we should be removing two major important books from the timeline all together. That, or we can adjust it to the best logical conclusions omitting the mistakes. 04:38, January 5, 2019 (UTC)

Hm yeah we should go with waiting for RD. Otherwise I'd be for 1 or 3, but we should never remove them entirely^^

Icons
Brought this up in PC as well, but can we add icons for PW stuffs too?