Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Kittypet Blanks - For Approval


I was messing around in the warriors wiki when I found many declined images so I put the Kittypet blanks for approval. Comments?--Yai-Girl 17:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Yai, these are Darkhallows' images. You need her permission to edit them, and also, o, Sandiwolf was working on them; they were just taken down due to black of work. -- Bramble My Realm 21:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry.--Yai-Girl 15:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

These had best be declined then until Darkhallows gives her permission to use the old blanks and until you sort it out with Sandiwolf. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yai-girl can use them. I have attempted to revamp them to no avail. Maybe she can.-- Darkhallows Lair 17:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, back up for approval. Sandiwolf's were declined, and if she wants them back up, she and Yai can talk it out. There is a chances that one set can be used as rogues and the other as kittypets. (will add criticism when I have time) -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypets are well-groomed. The fur on the lond-hairs are sticking out everywhere. I thought you weren't supposed to put cats in drying machines? -- MU MB LE 785  23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Mumble, long-hairs are fluffy, know matter how "well-groomed" they are. Maybe make the hair a tad bit closer to the pelt, though. I love the collars. :)--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 00:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, the lineart needs to be thicker, so as it goes with the other images. Instead of the tail being up, it would be better if it was curled around the paws, I think, and the ears need to be shrunk. The paws look slightly awkward too. I found this pic: click You could probably use it for reference. -- Bramble My Realm 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything Bramble. That pic made me laugh though. I would advise you not to make them quite that fat Yai! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, hey, they are kittypets. lol but yeah, don't make them that fat Yai. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble making the long hairs fluffy can someone help me?--Yai-Girl 14:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Hre's another reference: <Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 16:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I did the short hairs, how do they look?--Yai-Girl 19:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Looks great, but can you please make them a bit bigger? MaYbe the size of my Loner blanks on the bottom? Besides that I love them! The reason I want them to be bigger, is beacuse it's easier to add shading, blending, and smudging, and so we can see the colors and tabby stripes/dapple even better. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you make the blanks bigger?--Yai-Girl 14:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Oh erm.. I don't know. Maybe ask somebody who is good at the computer? I had to redo my loner blanks to make them bigger :( Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have a couple of things:


 * 1) They are a little small but I'm not sure how to make them bigger (Moss might know as she did it for her prey-hunters)
 * 2) There doesn't seem to be much difference between the longhaired and shorthaired - make it clearer which have longer fur
 * 3) The heads are a little strange - they seem really... angular and the eyes are really off centre which looks odd
 * 4) The lineart on the inside of a couple of them still needs to be thickened.

Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thickened the lineart on the long hairs.--Yai-Girl 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I have a suggestion, try to make the tail on the longhears thicker so then we can tell the difference. --Spottedwing 16:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

thickened tails.--Yai-Girl 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here´s a diagram, I had no problems with it, but it´s a small like Hawkfire and Sandy said.--Yai-Girl 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't know.... the style just doesn't seem right.... -- Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Dawn?--Yai-Girl 11:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look rather cartoon-ish to me, and I honestly don't think they work very well. Please don't get me wrong - there is no offense intended, to either you, Yai-Girl, or Shady. -- Dawnfeather talk! 11:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I can make them bigger, Yai, if that's alright with you. What Spottedwing meant when she said thicker tails wasn't the tail lineart, it was the size of the tail. As for the cartoonishness, I think their heads are the main problem. Their ears are at an awkward angle, and a bit big, and I think their heads just seem a bit wonky. But other than that, they seem like our other blanks. If you think about it Dawn, they're all cartoons... at least in the fact that they're drawn. -- Bramble My Realm 03:11, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are my horribble ears.--Yai-Girl 11:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

The angle on the tails of the short hairs are bothering me. Make them more curved. I had the same problem. Also, I can barley tell the females from the males. Make the males coalars more maleish ( If that makes since ).Minnowclaw 11:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The right ear (Our right), looks smaller than the left ear, on the long-haired cats. Maybe make the right ears a bit bigger. Also, I agree with Minnowclaw; the males are hard to distinguish from the females. I think if you made the females' eyes a bit more "feminine", they'd look better. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 16:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the ears bigger and fixed the tails.--Yai-Girl 09:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

You're skipping over the make the females more feminine and the males more masculine. I think thickening their eye lineart, and making the female eyes look more feminine, and making a collar differenece would be better. -- Bramble My Realm 14:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the females eyes more feminine, made the males lissence rounder rather than a heart shape like on the females, and I made the long hairs tails thiner.--Yai-Girl 15:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl



I made another Rusty... these blanks do work. They just need to be made bigger. Also I like how the tail comes from behind the body on the longhairs more than the other two. Make the shorthairs tails curve round exactly like longhairs. -- Bramble My Realm 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think they look right... they're very square on the shoulders and legs and the fur is all... tufty which makes them look like ungroomed kits. I think the fur for both the long and shorthaired needs to be sleeker as if it is well-groomed and the angle of the head is strange. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not exactly looking at you; the head was made at a 3/4 angle. -- Blackclaw09 20:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Sandy. I expressed that awhile ago, with the fur... But, yeah. Do as the loyal deputy said. -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 18:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I twicked the long-hairs I will do the short-hairs later.--Yai-Girl 23:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Where the leg is connected to the body there is an awkward looking pixel.-- Darkhallows Lair 17:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Here?--Yai-Girl 12:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They're so cute! Except, I think the long-hairs' tails need to be fluffier.  Jane Volturi Sparrowsong 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Also, make the long-haired cats' back legs, a little fluffier. Very cute, Yai-Girl! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 22:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - On the longhaired's, their paws are bigger than the shorthaired's - make them the size of the shorthaired's. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  01:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, the ears need to be at least slightly more rounded. -- Dawnfeather talk! 09:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Also -
 * As I said before, the ears.
 * The mark showing the top of the head extends too far on that side in my opinioin. Maybe just shorten it a few pixels.
 * I know this bit was hard, but the she-cat's love-heart tag collar thingy's shape needs to be refined a bit.
 * The one next to the question mark - I don't know maybe just tweak that little area with the hindleg a bit - it didn't look quite right to me but it will be fine if you don't edit it.
 * The thing that bugs me most about these images - how at that point there with the arrows and diagrams coming from it the line doesn't change from vertical-pixel-coloumn-thingy to the other gradually, but *wup!* it's here, and then *wup!* it's there. Just add in a few other pixels to make it less, sudden. I'm sorry if I seem harsh - I just want to help you get this image approved so tweak week can come.! -- Dawnfeather talk! 10:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are he short hairs, I will try to edit the long hairs but it's pretty hard.--Yai-Girl 12:39, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here are the worst long hairs on the planet.--Yai-Girl 15:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure what happened, but I made this back into an editable topic. The only thing still bugging me a bit would be the female tags on the collars. Other than that, these are really nice, I think. (:-- Quiet !... 18:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the long hairs look pretty good. The female tags on the collars look different between the long hairs and the short hairs, the one on the short hair looks more like a heart, while the one on the long hair looks more square-ish at the top. (it is supposed to be a heart, right?) Otherwise, everything looks great! Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 20:54, 24 August 2009 (UTC)



(M) - Here's a diagram for the collars. :) Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  23:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Here are the collars.--Yai-Girl 12:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look great! -- Rain whisker 09 14:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Why didn't someone just ask if they could touch up the Kittypet blanks Sandiwolf made that were close to approval? I liked the position on those... these are really good too, although they need to be enlarged... I like the fur on the longhairs though. --♫ insaneular ♫ 15:27, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

These havent been worked on in a week i know i cant put a decline notice up but it hasnt been worked on. --Stonestar 21:20, September 1, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

But no ones commented soo... Anyway, one ear is longer than the other (on the longhairs) and the tag is a little too big-- Darkhallows Lair 02:47, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

The reason the ear is longer is cause the head is facing to one side. If it was both the same size, it would look like one ear shrunk. But I agree, the tags are a bit big. -- Rain whisker 09 15:28, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the other ear should be longer. I didn't see the image. If you don't want to re-draw the ears, you could put the longer ear on the right side and the shorter ear on the left side. -- Rain whisker 09 15:31, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - If the head is at a 3/4th angle, it would need to look like this:

Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:56, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've just worked out exactly what it is about these that I'm not sure about. They look very pixelated, sqaure. like those pixels you can find online... they don't exactly look like real cats. I think you need to make the bigger, round the shoulders off a little and generally make all he lineart a bit smoother to make them look more realistic and in line with our other approved blanks. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 08:32, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

I will try to make them look like real cats later. Comments?--Yai-Girl 11:38, September 5, 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I wanted to have a try at them so I tried one: I think it looks fine, but yes, make them more cat-like*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 01:48, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I can make them bigger, if you want. And should the nose be black or pink? -- Rain whisker 09 15:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything said above. Also, keep the noses white. We can color them in pink (As we do with the queen blanks). If anyone disagrees with me, then I think the noses should be black, rather than pink. But, very nice, Yai-Girl! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 17:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Oh no... It looks like this hasnt been worked on in 7 days. These have been up since July 20 (almost 2 months in 8 days). I would hate to have these declined as their very good but only need to be bigger and just a few minor adjustments. Please work on these soon. Mossflight 05:14, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Feathertail- Redone


Hey Hawkfire here! I just got finished with her. (really sorry Shimmer!) I fixed her ear pink and her eye, and lightened the shading on her tail. I can't get the old pic of the oringinal Feathertail! I accidently uploaded it with the same name. Somebody help please. Hawkey  Ready for action 13:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The ear needs to be blended more.--Stonestar 13:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Something looks funky about the way it was blended- I mean from the original, not what you did. I'm not sure if it's because the lines got smudged in or they just had a weird shading style, but I think you should go over the shading a bit and then reblur it.Same for the tabby markings, they look a bit strange, so maybe if you went over them in the same color then blurred them again that would work. --♫ insaneular ♫ 15:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Very good, but I believe Feathertail should be long-haired. It's because a. she's RiverClan; they generally have thick fur and b. she was said to have a feathery/fluffy tail.  Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Insanular, umm...wow I am not sure I can do all of that. The tabby stripes look amazing and the shading is great to me. I will change her to a long hair, even tho I never imagined her that way. Silverstream is short hair, and she's from RiverClan. If I did have to change her to long-hair, I would have to redo the whole image. Do you really want me to do that? Hawkey  Ready for action 19:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I could change her to a long-hair if you want, with oly minor edits..-- Darkhallows Lair 20:22, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You wont exactly have to redo her all the way. The technique I use is past the image in paint and color the lineart white. Then take the lineart of the long hair and past it over, with white being transparent and you just have to remove the eye out of the other image. The only problem is you will have to add more coloring to the tail area and the chest.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 20:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Shady that would be very kind of you! Now all I have to do is mess with the ear pink. :)Thanks so much! Hawkey  Ready for action 21:46, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

You may need to work on the tail but here.-- Darkhallows Lair 07:04, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! She's gorgeous! I will fix the shading on the tail and blend the ear pink, then she should be good to go!! Hawkey  Ready for action 23:23, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

It needs to be done soon, because this has surpassed Tweak Week and been up for more than a week. If it isn't worked on soon, I'll have to take it down. -- Bramble My Realm 01:33, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

In the transition between shorthair and longhair, it looks like some of the lineart on the stomach lost its double pixel, so it looks thinner than the rest. Fix that, the shading on the tail, and blend the ear pink, and it will look great. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 15:32, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Ooh sorry! I am working on her right now. Hawkey  Ready for action 20:22, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Pine for approval


OK my Fist try so tell me what is not right Brambleclaw14 Talk 08:32, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Brambleclaw, that's really good for a first try! Lol, you just barely beat me to putting up the first rogue for approval ever, since the blanks are fairly new, but... XD I can only see a few things you need to change: First, you need shading. It looks like you might have a little, but you need much more. Just decide where your light source is and then figure out where the highlights and shadows would fall. Next, this isn't necessary, but you might want to make the fur slightly off white, because in reality cats aren't perfectly white. Then, the spots. I really like your arrangement, but make a few of them different sizes so it looks a bit more natural. Then, just take the Blue tool (almost every image program has one) and go over all of the color- but don't blur the lines! I know this can sound like a lot to take in, but trust me, that is really good for a first try. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 12:24, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is it just me or is the picture stretched? Also, it looks as if you put shading but in a cream color. You don't want that color for shading. What I recommend for shading is making the cat slightly less white and then taken the burn tool and going over it a lot of times until you can see and differentiate what is shading and what is pelt, but don't forget to blend.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 13:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

It does look stretched. I'm going with Swallowtip on this one. Try making the cat fur a little more grayer, and use the burn tool all over the belly and the chest. -- Rain whisker 09 15:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK I will do all of it soon :/ Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 16:31, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The whole thing is a little fuzzy.-- Darkhallows My den 04:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well it's a try :/ sould the old file be got rid of? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 09:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Didn't you upload the file with the same name? -- Rain whisker 09 12:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

nope :/ Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 14:36, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

You should always upload over the old file. The corrcet file name for this image would be something like: Pine.rogue.png Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:46, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

OK I will, if I upload it more Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 08:19, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

OK, this file is now called "File:Pine.rogue.png, per suggestion, if I upload any more they will be uploaded over the top of this file. As to what I've done: It shouldn't be streached, if it is then it's a problem with the blank template. Shouldn't be fuzzy (and if it is... well, cats are fuzzy :)). I've added some shading in. Redone the spots and ears. Thanks Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 11:29, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

He's nearly there you just need to add a touch of shading on the tail and blend the ear pink into the pelt a bit more. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:17, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

OK will do so soon Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 13:05, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I've done it now. I also had to redo the spots, because I deleted them by accident Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 13:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Very nice! Just color in his eye and give him a pupil and a highlight. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:49, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh yes I was going say I can't find what eye color he has, and what is the pupil? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 07:14, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

oops I know what the pupil is :) I will do the highlight soon, Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 14:00, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Flora - approval
well... my first pic, o god please don't hurt me!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 13:43, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

She's cute Swallowtip! I'm like half asleep and the only thing I see is the eye doesn't have a pupil.-- Darkhallows Lair 14:32, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added a black spot to make the pupil more noticeable, better?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 14:41, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is the nose supposed to be pink? I thought we made them black (except for the queen blanks). -- Rain whisker 09 15:15, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is great for your first image! Blackclaw, the noses should be pink if on the blanks they are not colored in black. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The brown under the ear cuts off in an abrupt line, can you smooth this out a little? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:25, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I know it doesn't look much different, but I tried to get it there with the blur tool and it didn't work so I smudged it.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 19:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

It looks great! Very nice job. -- Rain whisker 09 20:10, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Try taking the brown patch and spreading it over that little patch on white on the ear pink to make it look more natural. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:56, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened ear pink and extend the brown patch.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 02:21, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

She's very nice, but some of the patches are too circular for their own good. Mabe make them a bit more randomly shaped, especially that one on the belly? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Lightened the patches and made them more random.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Just give the eye and nose some color and she should be ready. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

That was dumb of me to forget that. Oh well, Reuploaded.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 00:03, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Also, her back looks a bit blank. Maybe you should add one more patch there. DOn't forget to blend! =D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

And all of your lovely shading has gone! You'll have to redo that. Just do hese two things and she should be ready.

ReuploadedI wouldn't call it lovely, but thanks, who ever you are. Made a patch on the back and added shading.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 00:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Just blur your shading more and it should be ready. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:21, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

ReuploadedBlended the shading more.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 20:59, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much better. Comments before approval in 24 hours? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:03, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Buzzardtail- For approval
Well, this is my first charart... <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 15:37, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good for your first charart, I only see a few problems:


 * Add shading and blend it, making it look real
 * Blend the ear pink and make it darker, it looks fluro
 * Add highlights on the pelt

Hawkey  Ready for action 17:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't see any shading, add some and use the blur tool to make his pelt seem for 3-D. And blur the ear, make it not as bright. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

They're right. Make the ear pink a triangle shape in the centre of the ear and blend a little. Despite what Hawke said above, don't add highlights until you've got the shading sussed as it'll make it more difficult and the image may not even need them. Get the shading and ear sorted and then see about highlights. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll fix that stuff. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 20:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Can someone give me some tips on shading? I always get it too dark, and I don't know where to put it. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 20:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really good at shading, either, but what I did was get the smudge tool, set the brush size to about 3 or 5, and then just smudge from the outline. (I did this in Pixlr.) And then I blurred it together by clicking on the blur tool and setting it to about 3-5. As I said, I'm not really sure about the best shading tips, but maybe that can help a little bit. Also, I noticed a couple of other things.

Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 00:11, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * The right ear is just a little bit darker than the rest of his fur.
 * Try blending the ear pink some more. The ear pink it really standing out right now.

Thanks! I'll go fix that stuff. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 00:53, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Okay. Anything else? <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 00:21, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I think the shading is on the back, the hind leg, and where the tail connects to his body. And the back ear should be darker as well. -- Rain whisker 09 18:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to get it similar to some of the approved images, but it doesn't look quite right to me.... :( <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 19:28, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading into the pelt. -- Rain whisker 09 20:07, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

It needs a lot more shading. I can tell you used some, but I can barely see it. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 20:13, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

ReuploadedOkay, I have made the shading darker, and blended it as much as I could. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 23:55, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

You've now blurred the whole outline. Make the ear pink smaller, more central and a slightly paler colour. There is a smudge of lineart above her nose. Unblur the outline and then make the shading thicker and blend it (without touching the lineart) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:25, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the ear, and tried to fix the shading, but I still can't get it right :( <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 16:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry Morningleaf! You'll get it eventually - it takes most people a few tries. You've got the ear pink sorted now, which is good. On the shading, it's now the right darkness and thickness, just a little blotchy. You need to keep it as one clean consistent ine. Then blend the inside edges carefully so they start to run into the rest of the colour. Do not use the smudge tool though as this will make it streaky. Also, you need to remove the shading a little from the muzzle and a coupe of other places. At the moment you have shading following the whole lineart. Just choose the direction of your light source and then think about where the shadows would fall and put your shading there. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:15, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Try blending the shading with the blur tool; in pixlr, the blur tool is the one that looks like a rain drop, and when you hold the mouse over it, I think it says "Blur Tool", but I can't remember...but that should blend it. I highly reccomend putting the brush size at about 3-7 (square), and keeping the strength at 100.


 * If you accidentally hit the lineart inside the picture, make sure to color back in the lineart pixels by putting the pencil brush at size 1 (circle or square, doesn't matter), and put the color to black. Then, just color where the lineart is blurred, and the lineart should return.
 * If you accidentally blurred/smudged it outside of the picture, then just put the eraser at 1 and erase the spots outside of the lineart.

I hope this can help some! And don't worry, you'll get the hang of it eventually! It just takes time and practice. :) Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this: there is so much shading on the front leg, that I can barely see its actual color. Try using less shading there. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Stripes- For Approval
Heres my first rogue! It took forever to do the stripes! Comments? Hawkey  Ready for action 17:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, this is beautiful! The only things I can see are: 1. the ear pink is too light and needs to be blurred 2. the shading needs to be darker and look more like shading; right now it just looks like blobs of darker color. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M)- I love the pattern of your stripes! Just do what Sparrowsong suggested and it should be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Darkened shading and ear pink Hawkey  Ready for action 00:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The shading should be blurred into the pelt a little more.-- Darkhallows My den 04:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, I tried but whenever I try to blur the shading, it messes up the stripes. I may just have to withdraw this if I don't figure out something Hawkey  Ready for action 20:22, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Rosetail - For Approval


Here's my first elder. Is she good? Her description was kinda confusing - I thought that 'pinkish-orange' would be a color similar to Brackenfoot's, but I'm not quite sure. Anyways, comments? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I like it. But in Bluestar's Prophecy it was revealed Rosetail was a tabby. Could you add some stripes? Hawkey  Ready for action 18:00, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and add more shading too :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I took this off of the thumbnail becuase it was messing up the layout of the section below this slightly... I hope you don't mind. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Moss. And I added stripes and more shading. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I thought she was a brown tabby with a red tail, like Poppydawn?-- Darkhallows My den 04:49, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I know, it never said that. I have not read BSP, though, so I can't really be sure... <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 06:13, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I don't have my copy on me but it says something like: "...named her Rosekit because of the red spots on her tail." and "the tabby warrior"/"the red-tailed warrior." and her mother was Poppydawn. Heh, I actually paid close attention to her part because I quite enjoyed her character.-- Darkhallows My den 10:17, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...I don't think I can change her to brown without completely redoing the image. Perhaps I could add some darker ginger spots on her tail? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 23:07, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

It also mentions her having a "pinky-orange" tail.. I wish they had kept her description strait. "The red-tailed warrior changed the subject..." "Snowkit named her for the pinky-orange color of her tail" "The young tabby..." I think she should be OK the ways she is.-- Darkhallows My den 07:41, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Ok...is there anything else I can do to improve her? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 16:51, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

No, this is lovely. Comments before approval? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Blushes* Thanks, GB! <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 02:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I thought that it was just her tail that was orange-pinkish, and that the rest of her fur was tortoiseshell or white or something, like Sweetpaw and Thistleclaw. But I think this pic will be fine. It looks great! Icethroat21 Enter at risk 21:29, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound demanding and I know you guys must be busy, but it's been over 24 hours. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 19:27, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

You are right, but I have a comment to add (sorry). The shading really does need to be blurred into the pelt more. There's too hard of a line. -- Bramble My Realm 01:33, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Better? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 17:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Looks much better, but try blending it just a tad bit more. Just a bit more blending so it's not such a hard line, and it should be fine. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:43, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I blended it more. I accidentally blurred some of the stripes more, too - hope that's ok. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 19:33, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Comments before approval? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:34, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Brackenfur - For Approval


Here's Brackenfur, my second-favorite warrior (Tawnypelt is my #1 fave). Hopefully it's better than my first Brackenfur, which looked like a possessed chihuahua. Comments? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I broke out laughing when I read your comment about the possessed chihuahua. This is good! Just make it so your ear pink isn't touching the bottem of the ear, and see if you can blend it more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks very nice! Just blend the shading a little more! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 18:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the shading and the ear pink. Is it better now? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 18:57, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The transition between shading and regular pelt is still too hard. Blend until you can't see a line separating them. The two tabby stripes coming out from his chest, separate them a little bit, it looks likes one big awkward stripe. -- Bramble My Realm 21:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Better? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 01:06, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

...Any comments? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 20:46, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

If you could get rid of the mark just below his eye, it would be better. It looks crowded in that area. Also, on the back, there is a strip of light just after the shading and against the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 21:23, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I've fixed the eye mark...I don't know what you mean by 'strip of light.' Would you mind circling it or something? Thanks. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 02:41, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

You need to extend the shading right up to the lineart on the back - basically, you've missed a spot right next to the lineart. I don't think a diagram is realy necessary to explain this. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:40, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it now. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:52, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Now you've blurred the lineart there a bit Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:30, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Un-blurred the lineart. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 22:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything else that I need to fix? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 01:38, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

you should change the eye, try and use technique that the other warriors (erm...see Oakheart) have.--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 02:19, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the eye. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 03:39, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

This looks great, but I thought Brackenfur had amber eyes. I don't know where it said his eye color was, but I thought it was amber... Icethroat21 Enter at risk 00:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it ever mentioned his eye color, Ice. I imagined him with blue eyes (like Honeyfern and Poppyfrost), but we can't really be sure... <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 17:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

That's okay, you have a fine point. I think it's okay if his eyes stay blue. I was just thinking that Honeyfern and Poppyfrost got their blue eyes down the bloodline from Frostfur. I imagined him with amber eyes, because lots of the golden and brown tabbies we have seen so far have all had amber eyes. But I think that blue eyes will be fine. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:50, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Bluestar(A) - For Approval


Introducing... BLUEPAW! Anything that needs to be fixed? -- Quiet !... 20:16, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

This is beautiful! All I can see, is that maybe you should blend the ear a bit more. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and Bluestar has a silver-tinged muzzle, and silver-tipped tail. ;) -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't add the silver muzzle and tail tips because (from what I know) those came with age. unless someone has proof of otherwise, I'm not going to add it. :\ -- Quiet !... 20:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I always thought that too. I think it's fine as it is. One thing; the shading seems to go right across the face. Make it more curved downward, so it's as if she has a jaw shadow. -- Bramble My Realm 21:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow... O.O She needs a pupil in her eye though. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:52, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Updated. Anything else? -- Quiet !... 01:12, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The neck shading needs to be blended more.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 17:33, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Kay, I'm gonna' fix that in a minute, but one thing... Bluekit wasn't put on the approved art list? o.O;; Any reason why, because after all, its not on this page anymore, and its on her page.-- Quiet !... 00:41, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry Quiet! The approved list is now updated. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Beautiful! Comments before approval (24 hours?) Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  18:01, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think it looks great, shading and all. This is great, Quiet! Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:53, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hazelstar- For Approval
I'm on a leader spree! Three leaders in a row. XD Lol. Anyway, here's Hazelstar. Originally, he was Redstar, but, then I figured out Redstar was already reserved, so, I lightened him up, and turned him into Hazelstar! Comments? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:44, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Very good. Just blur the shading transition some more. -- Bramble My Realm 21:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Err... is there supposed to be color under his hind leg? -- Rain whisker 09 23:36, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Blend all of the shading a whole lot.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 18:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Can you darken the shading, blend the edges a little more and make the ear pink slightly smaller so it doesn't fill the whole ear. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:38, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Or, does he need to be blended more? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 22:49, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

This is better and yes he does need more bending. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:49, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Spottedleaf-For Approval
This is Spottedleaf!!Please tell me how to make her better!!<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 22:05, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like this alot! :D Just darken the shading on the bottem of the herbs a bit more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The one thing that's realy bothering me is her tail - it looks striped. :\ -- Quiet !...

She looks to... blurry. -- Darkhallows Lair 04:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Her tail is suppose to be a brown TABBY tail.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Darn it, her description is WAY too long for me to remember correctly. >w< -- Quiet !... 19:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think her tail is supposed to be white tipped. I agree her description is rather complacated. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 01:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

where does it say that she has a white tipped tail?<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:05, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My bad. You were right, it's black tipped. By the way I love the image. I see nothing wrong. Hope it gets approved. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 18:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

She's like my favourite character!!nice job!!!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;orange; background:gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">ღ Şũήמy ღ 18:10, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Loner Blanks - For Approval


(M) - I did more of a Melonlemon-style with these blanks and I'm pretty happy with the way they turned out. I also made an example (The shading might be in the wrong places though.)



Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

These are great! Give the muzzle a bit more of a stop and the ears look weird... but I really like them. - Darkhallows Lair 22:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

this looks really good Mosswhisker! but since they're loners ,wouldn't the fur be a bit scruffier?--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Turquoise; background:Black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> ☆Darkkeh☆ uh...hi 22:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

For some reason the head looks a bit small to me... but they look great otherwise! -- Rain whisker 09 23:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Mosswhisker... you're amazing at making blanks! There are only a few things that I can say about these. Firstly, the neck looks a bit too thin, almost pinched, maybe you could make it a bit thicker. Also, I think there should be a bit more definition between the neck and the foreleg, it looks a little too smooth to me. These are incredible, though! <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 23:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanks guys! I'll change them tomorrow, after school. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Okay! I changed the muzzles so they have a stop, fixed the foreleg, and fixed the neck. (All I did was shorten it, and I think that helped.) I also didn't know what was wrong with the ears, but I did make them less pointy. I didn't change the fur because it's pretty scruffy as it is, and Loners wouldn't be a scruffy as Roughes. I didn't change the head size becuase when I inceased in by a mear 2 pixles, it looked waaay to big. I also got rid of the gray lines on the longhaireds. What else do I need to fix? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

The ears look a little small. Can you make them a bit bigger? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:19, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

The toes on their paws look a little weird... could you change them? -- Rain whisker 09 20:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Changed the toes and (even though it's hard to see) widened the ears. I also changed the shape of two of the paws a bit. Better? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I think there great. I just think that the eyes are a little small. Other then that I hope they get approved before long. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:05, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Ratscar - For Approval
Alright, this is my first charart! Well, what do you think? I feel like I need a lot more shading, and I think that the scar looks a little weird... Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 20:15, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the scar looks strange, you should blend it a little bit, add some more shading and then blur it, otherwise......it looks okay. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;aqua; background:silver; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 22:43, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - This is good for your first image! For the scar, lighten it so it's more pink, blur it thoroghly, and try putting it horazontally across the back. Lighten the ear pink and blur it too. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded! Okay, what else can I do to improve? I feel like I went crazy on the shading, and that the scar is too big, but I'm not really sure how to make it any smaller without destroying some of the shading, or the scar itself. Can anybody give me any suggestions, and tell me what you think? Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 00:59, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, since no one has said anything yet, can I just ask about the shading? I think I got it too dark, and I'm thinking if I could have gone without the highlights or not... Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 21:07, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Whoops, sorry. Lighten the shading, as it is pretty dark right now, and try making the scar a little shorter, just past the edge of your image. Also, make the eye more like the other approved warrior's eyes. Then we'll work on shading. ;) Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  22:46, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Okay, I made the scar shorter, and I tried to make the shading a little less dark by blurring it a little more, but I think it looks messier now. And I tried doing what you said about the eye, too. Anything else besides needing to make the shading even brighter? I'm not sure how to make it any brighter than it is now. Any suggestions? Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 23:40, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - To lighten the shading you run the dodge tool - a black stick with a black ball - over your shading. I can fix it if you want me too. And the ear pink is much to bright; use a color simalar to other brown cats. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:45, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I fixed the ear pink, or at least tried to, and I tried to make the shading brighter. Do I need to make it even brighter? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 23:43, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Select the dodge tool, and in the box and the top set it to shadows. Then bring the stength down to 7. That should lighten the shading. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:18, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded! Is the shading bright enough? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 20:10, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Getting there! Lighten it a bit more though. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:57, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

He's awesome, Icethroat! The things I see though, is that you may want to blend it some more, and I thought I saw a little bit of blurred lineart somewhere... *shrugs* Maybe not. -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 21:37, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded! I brightened and blended the shading a lot more. Or, at least tried to, anyway. Well, what do you think? And yes, there was some blended lineart, Mumble, I tried to fix it, but I'm not sure if it worked or not. How did I do? Is the shading bright enough, Mosswhisker? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 00:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Your shading is a sickly grey colour and the whole image is blotchy. You need to take all the shading off and start over, using the burn tool at about 50% and running is once down the appropriate areas. Don't put shading around the outside of the ear pink as this just looks messy and like you've smudged the lineart. Then blend it all in. The shading should look a darker brown, not grey. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:03, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Redstar- for approval

 * So here's Redstar. I made him before Tweak week, but didnt have a chance to put him up. He's my first leader, so, comments? Criticism? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 00:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Very nice. Only I can't see the shading, darken it a little. The ear pink is also bright and fluro, try making it a more natural color. Hawkey  Ready for action 02:23, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

I can see some white spots on his back, and could you make his pelt more like a ginger color. Its very nice though. :). --Stonestar 11:30, September 9, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

I think you need to make the highlights bigger and blend it all more :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:01, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded and increased shading, and changed ear pink. It was hard to get the shading to be dark, but also blurred... does it look okay? <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 22:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Blur highlights and shading alot more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Blur the highlights, it really needs bluring! Right now Redstar looks, like......clay, o.O --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;black; background:white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 02:27, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * cough, he seems a bit....(wrong owrd) oily.........0.o...*cough*--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 04:06, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

His descrption is a dark ginger tom this is like golden brown.--Stonestar 14:39, September 13, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Flamepaw - for approval
Now that my medicine cat apprentice blanks are approved, I want to use them. Here's Flamepaw!Minnowclaw 00:17, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

He looks great but could you change the pelt color to more of a ginger color it looks like a reddish pink to me.--Stonestar 00:31, September 10, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

I agree with Stonestar, it looks more of a reddish pink color. Otherwise, it looks great! Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 00:34, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Love it, as they said above, it looks pinkish-orange color. Other thing, the ear pink is too bright. Try darkening it a little. The ear pink also looks round, make it triangular. Hawkey  Ready for action 02:26, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Looks great :) You need to match the colour to if that helps.  Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Any better?Minnowclaw 14:11, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah thats the perfect shade.--Stonestar 14:14, September 12, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Much better. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 16:48, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

It's just a bit blotchy now - blend a little and he'll be good to go. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:35, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Better?Minnowclaw 17:26, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Looks good to me. Comments before approval in 24 hours? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Birchstar (RC)for approval
My first leader and my first tabby. Comments? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 00:42, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Here are a few things: It mostly just needs shading. The ear pink looks fine, and so does most of the tabby stripes. Otherwise, I think it looks good. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 02:16, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Needs shading. If it's there, I can't see it.
 * The nose pink is too bright, it's more of a hot pink rather than just a pink. Try to lighten it some. But from the pictures I was looking at on Google images, brown cats tend to have either brown or black noses, depending on whether they're multi-colored. Try changing it to just a lighter shade of brown from the color of the fur.

The tabby stipes need to be longer in most cases and more varied. Add shading and blend it well. Lighten the nose pink. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:34, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Redid the image. Made the tabby stripes longer, fixed nose and ear pink, and added shading. Is there anything else? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Still needs thicker and darker shading. Then blend it for natural transitions. As for the stripes - make them less regular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:36, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Frostfur (Warrior Version)- Up For Approval


Here's Frostfur the worst white cat i've ever seen it needs improvements. --Stonestar 14:13, September 12, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

It's actually not bad right now :). Just blur the shading, lighten the eye slightly, make the ear pink stand out more, and it should be good. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 16:44, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Thax i'll fix that!Stonestar 17:15, September 12, 2009 (UTC)<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:Orange; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Stonestar How's Prey Running? |undefined

Scourge ~ (R) For Approval


I'm Baaaaaaaaa-aack! Sorry about my inactivity, but it looks like tweak week's over, so here's scourge! He turned out very well, though I may need to adjust him. Suggestions? -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 21:34, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

It's GREAT! The only thing I can see is that he needs the white paw, and that his right ear (our left) shouldn't have pink. Other than that, I absolutely love this. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 21:53, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! ^-^ I'll do that. -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 22:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOOOOAAADED!!! Added teh white paw, took away zeh ear pink on one ear. Is that better? -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 22:38, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

The white paw looks very good, lots better! <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;black; background:white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 00:07, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

oops, I thought I was doing scourge! (NVM yours a lot better)X3 he has a dark purple collar --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 00:09, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Very good! Just a few things though. Like Bracken said, the collar is dark purple, and it looks like it has spikes right now. It actually has dog teath, which would be longer, curved, and would be flipped in different directions. Very good image though! Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 14:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Socks ~ (Kit) For Approval


Yayzers! My first kit! I gave him an orange collar because I felt like it. *shrugs* Suggestions? -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 22:59, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

This is really sweet :) I like the orange collar lol. As for suggestions: Make the ear pink smaller Runningkit is a good example of size and colour. Add some shading on the head and under the collar and thicken it slightly on the sides. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Cinderpaw - for approval
I'm not sure about the paw...Minnowclaw 01:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think the paw looks great! So does the shading and everything! Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:21, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

The paw looks awesome! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;black; background:white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 01:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Can you add a highlight to the herbs as a final touch? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:48, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Wow, I didn't think the paw was good at all.Minnowclaw 17:21, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The bent paw needs thickened lineart, and it's bend is too sharp. Round that out, and then she'll be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 17:58, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Molepelt (MC) For Approval


My first image. Criticism welcome. Also, I'm not going to be on much these days, so please do not decline this.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 11:53, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear pink is to big, and maybe to dark fur? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 12:07, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

yES LIGHTEN THE FUR TO MAKE TO MAKE THE EYE STAND OUT (Oops caps)--Stonestar 14:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Lighten the herbs and perhaps make them more of a green colour - I'm not sure a medicine cats is likely to use withered plants... Lighten the fur a little and make sure to add a pupil and highlight into the eye. Look at some approved images for reference. The ineart is blurred and there is colour outside of it in places. When you've sorted that, then we'll talk shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:47, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Sharpclaws and Softpaws
where do we stand on the whole debate about Sharpclaws and Softpaws? Do we need a blank for them or are they rouges?Minnowclaw 14:35, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I say that we should make seperate blanks for them. They are not rogues so they shouldn't use those blanks. They are not loners either as they live in a group. They aren't the same as clan or tribe cats and there are enough of them to warrant making etra blanks in my opinion. Don't know what everyone else thinks though Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:44, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you, Sandy, they should have their own blanks since they are their own group of cats. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 15:10, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, they don't really belong to any group of cats. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color;black; background:white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 16:01, September 13, 2009 (UTC)