Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Change in main quote for Moonrise
Hi, Shelly here to ask for one thing: that the quote for Moonrise be changed. The current quote certainly is romantic, but all it does is ruin the ending of the book. Quotes four and five from the nomination provided dramatic foreshadowing and showed what the book would be about. All the currently selected quote does is tell us that Feathertail dies, whoop de doo. So, I was told that if I wanted it changed I'd have to propose it here, so there it is. 05:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with you, but it's just my opinion. I voted for quote 2 (I think) because I thought quote 1 because it was too spoilerish. There are better quotes. No offence too the people who voted for that quote. 06:19, 19, 03, 2012

Agreed, it gives away the Prologue and the end of the book, we need a new one. I would prefer either 4 or 5, both are amazing. Raineh Pwns all others  00:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I need to agree. Plus, I don't think that romance should play such a big role in the Warriors series, and it's just a bit too dramatic. I think that the book articles' quotes could be more..."mysterious" instead of dramatic. -- 04:00, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree on it being changed. It's a little too spoilerish. That's why I didn't vote for it. 00:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be changed....I'll ask Skye her opinion, as well~ 00:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Rainly, I'm the one that told Shelly to suggest changing it. That's fine with me. Shelly, which quote would you suggest placing on the article? 09:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about this. Anyway, the quotes I would use are either: "Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight or "We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

Both of these quotes do not contain major spoilers for the end of the book and they are relevant to the entire plot.

In fact, I propose that the main quotes for all of the book articles be re-examined for spoilers and relevance. Romantic quotes are fine and good, but the main quote is located very high above the spoiler tag in book articles.

Sign of the Moon, for instance. The main quote for that article is all fine and good, but there's a better choice: "Maybe we should be like the moon's reflection, holding fast whatever happens?" -Half Moon

That quote contains very little spoilers and is even relevant to the title of the book. The current quote spoils the fact that Jayfeather founds the Tribe of Rushing Water.

These quotes need to be picked out carefully, is what I'm saying. They should be relevant to the main plot, they should ideally be from at least the first half of the book, and if not then at least the first two-thirds, and it shouldn't spoil the end of the book for anyone that glances at the article and hasn't read the book yet. 05:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a complete overhaul of the quotes already on the articles. It would do us some good to be able to really go through and decide what belongs and what doesn't. I'll try and go through a few of them tonight to see what I can find. It's a really good idea.. 20:07, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The book quotes I find fault with are:
 * Into the Wild (the quote would be better suited for a later book when he actually has an inner conflict about whether or not he made the right choice when joining ThunderClan, leaving his twolegs was hardly a problem relevant to Into the Wild)


 * Fire and Ice (that quote has almost nothing to do with the main plot. and only has to do with a single point in the book. It'd be better with Bluestar's quote telling Fireheart and Graystripe to find WindClan)


 * Forest of Secrets (the entire plot didn't revolve around this, and it's yet another quote from late in the book. A quote about Oakheart being killed by a rockfall and not a cat would be most pertinent, I think)


 * Rising Storm (Another quote from close to the end of the book, Runningnose's prophecy would be best in my opinion)


 * A Dangerous Path (I really don't think that Tigerstar's lie foreshadows the plot well. Heck, "Pack pack, kill kill" would be better than that)


 * The Darkest Hour (yet another quote from the end of the book. BloodClan isn't even officially named until late in the book. The quote when Tigerstar strikes his deal with Scourge would be better, imo)


 * Midnight (another quote form the end of the book which spoiler exactly who Midnight is. It'd be better with the prophecy given to Brambleclaw at the beginning)


 * Moonrise (already spoke on that)


 * Dawn (another quote from the end of the book. I think it'd be better off with the Clans making the decision to leave the forest)


 * Twilight (aaaand another quote from the end of the book. Why not Cinderpelt and the other MC's talking about their prophecies predicting the attack?)


 * The Sight (another quote from the end of the book, dang it, and it spoils the prophecy Jaypaw finds. Why not go with the prophecy Firestar remembers in the prologue? Same impact, less spoilers)


 * Outcast (it'd be better off with a quote from when the Tribe cats are asking the Clan cats to come help them)


 * Eclipse (not as bad as the others, but still from late in the book)


 * Long Shadows (major spoilers, from the end of the book. I'd personally prefer to see the moment Blackstar declares that ShadowClan will not be attending gatherings)


 * Sign of the Moon (spoils the fact that Jayfeather founded the tribe, it'd be better with Half Moon's moon sign)

Jeez... I had a harder time finding a quote that I was okay with already in place. Eesh. 20:34, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the other books.


 * Crookedstar's Promise (major, major spoilers)


 * Shattered Peace (from the last pages of the book)

20:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think maybe we should all look over the quotes for each book and see what everyone thinks. Maybe even a vote for which ones to change? 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe instead of putting the spoiler warning where the Summary starts, we could put it at the very top of the page, before the quote. 02:45, 10, 04, 2012

I'm up for moving the spoiler tags. Although, replacing some of the quotes would be a good idea. However, I'm not up for replacing all of the ones Shelly suggested. Those are her own personal preferences, after all.

I agree with Cloudy. Changing all of those quotes are going to take a LOT of time. We still have other books to worry about......I think they should stay the way they are now. 14:10, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

With all honesty, I believe most of those quotes are fine....and, we have other jobs to worry about before getting down to nit-picky details such as this. 14:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with moving the spoiler tag, but I think most of those quotes are fine. Though on The Sight, the original prophecy would be better, it's not a big deal. Other than that I think the others are fine.... (aside from moonrise) 15:16, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm against moving all the spoiler tags to the top of the page, as I think most of those quotes are ok. I think there are three or four that do need changing, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't see the point in moving the spoiler tags because of a couple of easily changed faulty quotes. 08:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Of course some have to be changed, but not all of them Shelly listed, in my opinion. I'm still up with moving the spoiler tag, and Leopard, I respect your decision. 01:54, 16, 04, 2012

Okay, after thinking it over, I do think that some of them should be changed, but, not all of them. It's a matter of going through (as Shelly did, it seems) and finding which ones are in dire need of being replaced, and we can handle the other ones later on.

We probably should start with Moonrise, since that's the book quote that brought this on to begin with, so if anyone wants to throw a few suggestions out there, be my guest.

Ifound a couple:

Be careful Firestar, you may go in peace, but the other Clans might not see it that way ~ Sorreltail, pg 104

Clans won't survive if they can't work together ~ Feathertail, pg 65

And Shelly got these too, don't forget.

"Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight

"We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

I think one of them will work. 08:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should actually just delete the quote(s) on the main page and we can redo the quote nominations. The vote could be titled Forum:Moonrise ~ Quote Nomination 2 or something. Just a thought, so we don't have to go through a whole bunch of quotes in this section. 06:00, 05, 05, 2012

Mmhmm. That's an excellent idea. Leopard, if you want to just re-post that idea as a new topic, be my guest. This is starting to take up a lot of space. XD

I know I'm opening here a can of worms, but I'd have two remarks regarding this discussion: Kind regards, 19:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we need quotes on the book articles? Quotes have some use on character pages, as they might present an important trait of a cat (since character pages don't have a section that present the cat in general and summarize what they did), but I don't know if they have a use on book pages.
 * Do we need spoiler tags on this site? Like, at all? They would have a point if only 10% or 20% of the pages contained spoilers, so they could be distinguished... but since (almost) all do, placing tags on all pages is redundant. We could simply mention this fact on the front page.

Hey, open all the cans of worms you want, Helice. I don't mind one bit. You have every right to speak your mind.
 * The quotes were added as something extra on the articles, and it was something I came up with to try and get a little more activity out of the project, and try and convince some of the newer members to actually help out every once in a while, since most of the project's articles are already silver grade or gold grade levels. A lot of the members seem to like adding the quotes, but if they're not needed, they're not needed.


 * As for the spoiler tags... that's a really good question. I always took it as something an article needed, and never thought much else of it. However, they are becoming a little... obsolete, since half the time, they're not in the right places, or there's already a spoiler //above// the tag. I'm all for removing them from book articles, and placing something on the main page. Most people who come here actually come to read the articles, and don't care much for the tags in the first place. They know the spoilers are going to be there.

Comments, guys?

The removal of a spoiler tag would be nice. And we could just make one giant one that reads "WARNING!!! THERE WILL BE MAJOR SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK." Or something like that. 19:53, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I do quite like the "Read at your own risk" thing...and that might be something we could incorporate, if we can come to an agreement. However, since the tags are used throughout the entire wiki, I think this should be something taken to a forum discussion, so the entire wiki can state their opinions on this.

A side note. If it's about finding some tasks for the project to do, we had several plans for that about two years ago (though we didn't manage to get working on any, since lots of people left that autumn and the new leaders did not take up the ideas): Kind regards, 10:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Separate articles for each chapter in the books (such as this wiki has here).
 * Articles about important, large-scale events, sometimes spanning several books, such as Journey to Midnight. (Yes, I know Journey is a PW article, but by the projects' definitions, it should be in PB)

We have spoiler warnings because since the series is so long, it'd be best to warn the readers that there may be content that they may not have read. Also, how many of us really bother with the main page nowadays? I personally go straight to the recent activity as (I'm assuming) most users do, whether new or old. I'm sure users can find quotes that don't spoil the plot or ending details of a book anyways.

As for finding PB to do, I'd like to see the cliffnotes advanced. 17:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Advanced, how, 'Teldy? Could you elaborate on that? Like, do you mean adding more detail to each of the chapters, or something completely different?

I don't have an idea yet, but you could do what Helix suggested and make each chapter a page. The purpose for cliffnotes is a mute purpose now as I don't feel they describe the minor and major events of each chapter. But I think it would be a good idea to focus on something like that. 22:44, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I came up with a rogue idea of something I think could work, and you can see it here. Now, mind you, this is just what I thought could be used. If you guys have other things you want to add, please, feel free to comment.

Looks great, Cloudy! I don't have too much to suggest... o.o Anyways, I've been following this discussion for quite some time now, and I like the idea of these detailed cliffnote pages. I guess I suggest that the Errors are to be cited too. x3 00:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Of course they'll be cited. It's going to be the same as it is on the other pages. If there's no citation, it's going to be swiftly removed from the page.

Okay, here's a question that's been pondering my mind... would this be a subpage of the main articles, or something entirely different? Like, take for example the book I chose to use in the Sketchboard, SkyClan's Destiny. Would it be SkyClan's Destiny/Chapter 1, or something along those lines for a page name, or would we make an entirely new page for each one?

I'm kind of intrigued with the subpages as it would keep everything in a neat file, per say. As for the page layout, I think it would most definitely work and be much more advanced and detailed than the cliffnotes are now. 06:08, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I like the advanced cliffnotes - they work better than the ones we have and they would give us more work to do, and I especially like the idea of listing the errors. For Cloudy's question, I think in my opinion, I would like to see a new subpage for each chapter, because it keeps everything neat. 15:28, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't subpages take up a lot of space on the Wiki for /each/ chapter? Jun 27, 2012; 15:45pm

Eh, not really... The current cliffnotes system is basic, and it needs to be redone, regardless of what way we go about this. Personally, the most efficient (and more detailed) way is to use something like the page I've made. We pride ourselves in being a wiki that most come to for information, including Kate Cary herself. Now, shouldn't we strive to improve the wiki even more by installing a newer system that documents even more information from the books? There are wikis that have thousands upon thousands of pages; this is something small compared to the wikis I've seen.

Though I might mention...
A word of warning; I've found some false descriptions added to some of the allegiances, such as saying Onewhisker's a young brown tabby tom in Rising storm. That's not said anywhere. So I though I might point this out and I advise maybe going through the allegiances an checking them straight from the book? I'm attempting to do so now, but yeah, just though I'd mention it. 15:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

May have been a simple copy and paste error, since most the things I've seen added that aren't in the allegiances, are in other allegiances. But still worth checking, just to make sure. 21:52, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, paleh. I'll look through them when I get a chance. x3 01:21, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I'll keep a lookout, Paleh. Jun 27, 2012; 15:44pm

The Last Hope - Silver Nomination
This was done a while ago, but I never got around to nominating it. It's full and everything looks fine. Comments? 19:20, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expand the cliffnotes for chapters 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 18-23, and 27? 00:42, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

I guess shorten up the history a bit. Just enough to summarize the whole book with details about important events, but not all too detailed. Try discarding info that's not really important. 00:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Removed info from the plot history. Leggy, instead of expanding just those chapters, I'll go ahead and expand them all. 01:29, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Rising Storm - Quote Change
I also believe Rising Storm's quote doesn't foretell the book. Say I'm wrong, but this is my opinion. Protest if wanted.

"Not of rain, but of a great new dawn that awaits our Clan. In that ray of light, our warrior ancestors showed me the future, and it will be glorious!" - Runningnose, page 5.

Or it would be, if I didn't have a pain in the neck for an apprentice, or the elders fretting about the wrath of StarClan, or a leader who can't even decide who should mentor Brindleface's kits. Fireheart's silent answer to Willowpelt's question, page 25.

"All the Clans have much to thank you for. You drove Brokentail out of ShadowClan, brought WindClan home from exile, helped RiverClan when they were flooded, and saved ThunderClan from Tigerclaw. No other warrior has your sense of fairness or loyalty or courage." Bluestar to Fireheart, page 60.

"Very well, we'll go home. But we will return. You cannot cut us off from StarClan forever!" Bluestar to Mudclaw, 66

"We've captured two ShadowClan warriors!" Sandstorm, 88

"W-Whitethroat and I came here h-hoping you'd give us food and healing herbs." Littlecloud, 91

I think 1. Comments? 21:05, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, I like one or three. -- 23:35, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I also one more.

"You can't live with a paw in two worlds, Cloudpaw. You're going to have to decide. You must choose whether you want to live by he warrior code as a Clan cat, or whether you want the life of a kittypet." 00:16, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I adore number one. 18:52, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I like one as well, though I am a fan of three too. 14:47, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't really believe that RS's quote needs to be changed... It's just my opinion. 22:50, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mentioned it... (I really need to check these things a head of now. x3) I don't mind the current quote. it's not terrible. I wouldn't mind keeping it or changing it. 00:33, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Do you mind explaining why? I believe it should be changed because Tigerclaw's invasion on ThunderClan lasted only a few pages, and there are more major events than that - like the fire or the ShadowClan cats. 02:43, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

The fire or the ShadowClan cats were major; you're correct, but the current quote for me (I assume not for all of you) seems to bring out the fact that Tigerclaw is going to...well, do something (For the lack of a better word...) to the Clans. It mystifies me; and draws me to read the book and the book after it (I haven't actually read them yet. xD). I'm sorry if I offend you, and I respect that you believe that it should be changed; as you have brought good points that I can't argue with too much. 04:23, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's alright. You have every right as I do to voice your opinion. But then, what Tigerclaw does to the Clans is in the upcoming books. It's not as major in Rising Storm, but it is rather major in A Dangerous Path. 14:43, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yah; you make a good point. owo Anyways, me likes number 1. <3 17:15, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Number one. <3 17:20, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? 23:12, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fire and Ice - Quote Nomination
And I am now proposing a new quote for Fire and Ice. Fire and Ice's quote is irrevelant to the plot in the book, which is mostly revolving around Graystripe and Fireheart's friendship. If you disagree, feel free to post your opinion. But here are the quotes I feel will fit better. ...I have lots of them.

1. ''"I want you to find WindClan and bring them back to their territory." ''Bluestar announcing Graystripe and Fireheart's mission, page 35.

2. Were the deep-rooted memories he shared with Princess stronger than his loyalty to the Clan? Fireheart's thoughts, page 120.

3. "It's not enough. Twolegs have taken over our territory downstream. They built a camp there all greenleaf and stayed as long as the fish were plentiful. By the time they went, fishing was scarce. And the damage they've done to the forest means that even woodland prey is harder to find." Silverstream explaining why RiverClan was hunting in ThunderClan territory.

4. The truth was, if Bluestar lost this life, she would have only one more left. Narrator, page 168.

5. "I have lost another life. When I lose this one, I will not be able to return." Bluestar informing Fireheart of her lost life, page 181.

6. "You didn't trust me! You thought I would betray ThunderClan!" An angry Graystripe to Fireheart, page 213.

7. "I just wanted to save you from having to make a choice! Although it's true that I'm not sure where your loyalties lie right now." Fireheart to Graystripe, page 213.

8. "I have brought him for you, Fireheart. I want you to take him back with you to your Clan so that he can be your new apprentice." Princess about Cloudkit to Fireheart, page 219.

9. "There were three kits in my litter. But only Brokenstar survived. I gave him to a ShadowClan queen to bring up as her own. I thought that losing two of my kits was punishment from StarClan for breaking the warrior code. I was wrong. My punishment wasn't that two of my kits died. It was that this'' one survived! And now I cannot kill him. I must accept my fate, as StarClan wishes it." ''Yellowfang, page 269.

10. ''"It's not my place to judge you. Graystripe, whatever you decide to do, I will always be your friend." ''Fireheart to Graystripe, page 317. (Rather late, but it does sum up the book well)

Either 1, 7, or 10. 20:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

I like 1, 8, and 10. 20:51, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, these are great quotes, but I'd say 7, 8, or 10 -- 23:40, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

I like 1, 3, 7, and 9. 22:23, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

I prefer 1, 2, 7,8 and 10. Jun 27, 2012; 15:47pm

Hmm...Perhaps if we shorten down quote nine, maybe that one... I also like the first one, although a bit spoiler-ish.

Cats of the Clans ~ Quote Nomination
Yeah; a quote nomination for Cats of the Clans. xD There weren't many quotes to pick from the book... x3

1. "Who's there? Come forward, into the moonlight. Three kits, smelling of stars and the night? You're a long way from StarClan, little ones. Did you stray too far into the shadows at the edge of your territoy? You must be surprised to end up here, far beneath the ground, with such a strange-looking cat to welcome you. I doubt my name, or this place, is spoken of in StarClan." -- Rock to the reader/three kits, page 2

2. ''"Three little kits who didn't live long enough in the forest to learn about your Clanmates, their friends, and their rivals. There is a price to be paid in being a kit forever." ''Rock to the three kits, page 3

3. ''"There are so many cats, many more that you know about. You would be here a moon and more to hear them all. But I shall tell you about the ones I remember most clearly, and the ones I watch still. Oh, yes, I have watched them all, from as far back as any cat in the Clans remember, and father. And not only the four Clans that live beside the lake now. Much as they might with to think they are the center of the world, there are other cats of equal worth-or more-far beyond their fragile borders. Cats reviled for being loners and rogues, simply because they do not wish to live in a hive of chattering voices: poor beleaguered SkyClan, driven out because of their fellow Clans' selfishness; the Tribe of Rushing Water, who cling stubbornly to the mountains like the moss that grows beside the waterfall-I know them all. And BloodClan, who are not worthy of the name of Clan, and who will fade into the stuff of nursery tales once they have consumed themselves with their hunger for battle and bloodshed." ''-- Rock, about the cats of the Clans, page 3

I like number 3. Comments? 22:49, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

3. 00:53, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Three for sure. 13:38, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Three. There is no other option imo. 13:39, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

3. 13:46, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Three. 16:11, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Number three...just killed me. <3333 19:14, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

I like three, but isn't it a bit long for a quote? Jun 27, 2012; 15:36pm

No. This quote is good and it foreshadows the book. It doesn't matter if it's long. 15:43, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

A Dangerous Path - Quote Nomination
Hi all, I'm here to propose a new quote nomination for A Dangerous Path. Why? Well, the current quote doesn't foreshadow the plot of the book - Tigerstar's leadership actually had almost nothing to do with anything, expect for driving Bluestar a little more crazy. Pfft, he could have done all the stuff he did without nine lives or a leader name - or without a Clan. Feel free to disagree if you choose, but I'd like to hear all opinions first. Hm, I like 3 and 4. Opinions? 15:42, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "It's not your fault. Whoever heard of a hawk that dared to swoop down and take a kit from the middle of a camp, with so many other cats around? This is a sign from StarClan. I cannot deny the truth any longer. StarClan is at war with ThunderClan!" Bluestar declaring war with StarClan, page 96.
 * 2) "Are you afraid of WindClan? Or are you so used to cringing before StarClan that you won't defy them and fight for the rights of your Clan? You disappoint me, you out of all my warriors. How can I believe you will fight with all your strength when you question my order like this? You leave me no choice, Fireheart. I will lead this attack myself." Bluestar deciding she will lead the attack on WindClan, page 122.
 * 3) "They said that there is evil loose in the forest. They spoke of a 'pack'. They told me it will bring more death and destruction than the forest has ever seen before." Bluestar telling Fireheart about what StarClan said to her, 179.
 * 4) "Pack, pack. Kill, kill." Brightpaw after being mauled by dogs, page 219.

I support number 3. Jun 27, 2012; 15:48pm

I like number four. Three is good as well. Jun 27, 2012; 16:41pm

One, Three, or Four. -- 17:37, June 27, 2012 (UTC)