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Mentorship
This was a thing brought a while back and was around at the start of PCA. People here have had mentors and I was mentored by Hawkfire myself, and due to her teachings with me in the way of art I have been a very active supporter of the idea of mentorship, whether it be in PCA or in the wiki. I also suggest this because I have mentored several users and have found it to be both a bonding experience and a sharing of skills. I would either have a lesson planned for a join.me, or said user would ask for me to teach them what they wanted to learn, whether it would be patterns, shading, stripes, etc. Since we have new users wanting to join, I believe that it would be a good experience to bring back the mentorship. I am not sure if we would need a due process, a nomination, or if someone comes here and asks "can I have a mentor" and either requests someone / picks people who are available, I do not know, we will have to figure that out if we even want to coin the idea of mentorship. Thoughts?

Mentorship in this project should be a thing, imo. It helped me immensely (read: I was taught by Icy <3) and I feel it's an important thing to have for users that learn better with a teacher. I don't think we need the process, but I think we should have a list of active people available and what programs they use, and a note to ask one of said users for help.

As long as this is not a requirement of the project's leads, I'm fine with it. Not everyone has the patience for mentoring, so we shouldn't impose it on users who do not want it.

I think it could work! I never had a mentor but I really could have used the help. Would it be weird that I, a senior warrior, still get someone else to mentor me...? 04:22, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, anyone can have a mentor. 04:39, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Awesome I just hope people won’t judge me for being a senior warrior and needing a mentor. 04:57, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I support this, I know I was kind of lost back in the beginning; so much goes on! It would be a fun and helpful experience for both the mentor and apprentice, plus save a lot of confusion for the app. My question is, why did we remove it in the first place..? I don't recall hearing as to why. I agree with what Spooky said^ have a list of active people and what programs they use, without much process. 14:11, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I am not sure why it got removed in the first place. Maybe it was swept in inactivity, maybe no one wanted to do it, etc. 10:00, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Just as a reference, This is the old discussion about removing the mentor program.

I think the main justifications for removing the program were:
 * Many people don't need a mentor, therefore it's unnecessary.
 * Tutorials are enough
 * A lot of unofficial pairs

Personally I don't mind adding the program back, I enjoyed mentoring some apprentices and liked watching them improve.

Charart contests
Okay, bear with me - I have another idea. So all projects have FAs, and I was wondering, if PCA should have one. But I do not think that should be an article - perhaps we could have a charart contest? We could have a host and perhaps they could decide the theme for said month (or timespan) and have contests. This was brought up a while ago but it was shot down, and I am just bringing it up now to see if opinions have changed. 04:09, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I don’t really know what you mean, but it sounds fun! 04:20, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Honestly I don't think it would hurt. If we stick to uploading over our personal images and not creating mass files I don't see why it'd be a problem.

I like the sound of this. 14:12, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea for some fun^^

Great idea. I think it would be a fun way to pass time while we don't have anything else to do. 15:05, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea to keep our skills sharp during lulls between the books and a nice way for the community to bond! Any ideas as for the themes yet? Just gonna ramble some ideas and let my mind flow: best black and orange tortoiseshell design? best personal Firestar design for a set blank (just for fun)? best persona of a certain fandom character (whoever floats your boat)? best white cat design? best ragged cat design? best mottled (whatever color) design? Maybe for each clarify that it has to be a certain blank, which could also be a nice way for everyone to use the blanks that had only had a few characters (such as CotP or unknown residence). I don't know, I'm just rambling my thoughts here. ^^; 22:32, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Ooh I like you ideas vector, especially being able to use the less-popular blankets, and the tortoiseshell contest. 22:39, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I think maybe now is a better time to come up with this, instead of the last time it was brought up.... we should definitely come up with some basic rules prior to having one, though. Shelly hosted one at one point, so we can start from there... Not sure where the other charart contest page is, but there's at least one we can start with. (  22:45, 5/28/2018  ) ​

If anyone would like I have no problem hosting the contest on my user subpage.

Also, if I do have any ideas (we would have to figure out how often we would post them, personally, I would like a PCA FA, it would kinda be like the Wikian of the Month, start a contest at the beginning of the month, 2 weeks for nominations and 2 weeks for voting and go from there) so this would be like it. I have a few ideas for themes right now. If anything I would probably want to run them over with everyone first, and they can pick the first theme. 09:52, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

If there are no comments I will be creating this in a few days under a subpage of my userpage. 12:07, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

Jumping in to add that this sounds like an absolutely amazing idea and I love the idea of it bringing us together in some friendly competition when PCA is a little slow due to no new releases.

echosong's kp/warrior
so when this was nominated at least one of the images was supposed to be kept, and the others that were redone to match it. so why was both the kittypet AND warrior redone? one needs to be reverted because both was not was agreed upon. figured id bring it up here to avoid arguments over sudden reverts, and which one s supposed to be kept. 20:00, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

It should have been the warrior. Due to the old medicine cat version being first, and the warrior blanks being carbon copies of the old medicine cat blanks, that image is defaulted to first in the set, and all images are required to match that. The "first image in the set" does not always default to whatever came after the redone image. If another image in the set matches to a T, (in the cases of a warrior -> old deputy, warrior -> old mc, or apprentice -> mca), then that is first, due to it being copied. All images in this set need to match the old warrior.

So would we revert the warrior, basically?

Redoing blanks
Hello everyone. Due to circumstances not seen before, one of our old PCA senior warriors has been banned. Due to the nature of her crimes, we believe that it is best for all of our users to have no trace of her on the Wiki. It is more heinous than anyone we have banned before, and for the sake of the safety of everyone. We also believe that we may technically be using them without permission, seeing that the user is banned.

So, with that being said, the best way to remove traces of her being on the Wiki is to redo the images. She has also uploaded blanks - the guardian cat blanks and the unknown residence. We believe that having a redo of these images may be the best option. We will go with the second runner up of either of those images, and then have another vote for the remainder. When the blanks are completed, the original OAs get a first serve at their image. If they do not want it, that is fine, but it is their right to claim their own images first.

Now that leads me to my second point - redoing her images. The user I am speaking of is Cosmo, and I believe that if we redo her blanks to erase the unhealthy presence, we should redo the images she has done. She has several, so this may take a while.

But in the end, I think it is for the best.

Can I have everyone's thoughts? 23:42, June 8, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what she did (it was prob on discord which I don't use), but if it was bad enough to consider this, I agree that her presence should be gone. I agree with both redoing her images, and her blanks. Though with the original images she did, do we just reserve them as redos? 00:08 Sat Jun 9

tl:dr; for sunjaw, that isn't too graphic, Cosmo was acting hella predatory to the minors of the wiki, asking for personal info, being uncomfortable, etc. just generally being really nasty.

I also agree with erasing her presence on the wiki, and look at me I made a whole damn list haha I hate my life. For the blanks, that'd mean Danny gets the guardian cats and Patch and Danny are tied for unknown residence, right? --

If Danny would like, they may take the guardian cats. But since the two are tied for unknown residence, and since Patch is currently working on a blank and Danny if they want theirs, I believe that the best course of action would be to create another voting forum to nominate more. 01:56, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'll do the guardian cats then. I also support redoing all of Cosmos other images considering the situation.

I just want to raise a question regarding her tweaks. If we are to erase one thing about Cosmo, we must erase others. This means if we are to erase all her original images, her tweaked images also must be erased or else there is no point in this. I'm not sure how the tweaks are going to work, though.

Well I'd assume we'd revert the tweaked ones pre-Cosmo, list them all under the tweaked section (which would likely close down nominations for a bit, since I believe there's a limit). The only way we could do it is first come first serve I think, since no one else wanted the images in the first place if Cosmo was the person to tweak them, they dont really automatically go to anyone else.

Fox is right about we should be removing the tweaks if we are removing everything with Cosmo, but I am torn on this, just because her tweaks were minor and it would be so pointless... but I do not know. 03:22, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Imo we should remove everything in our power to remove. Might take a bit, but worth removing the triggers in the end. I agree with Danny in how we should handle that process, unless any OAs of anything Cosmo tweaked want their things, as we'd offer in a normal scenario.

I think we should revert any charart she has done and redo them. 18:04, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

revert and redo them all, then once they've been done and archived, delete the previous versions done by her. that way there's absolutely no trace. 19:03, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

So for her original images she did, can we just reserve them to redo? 19:18 Sat Jun 9

Finpaw and Sandynose
We tweaked everything to match, didn't we (Sparkpelt, Jake, etc.)? In that case would Finpaw apply? Wasn't he described to look exactly like his father? Would he need tabby stripes to look identical to his father, in that case?

Twigbranch is said to be identical to Hawkwing, but it was decided she wasn't going to be given stripes. Idk if it's the same case w Fin and Sandy. 05:09, 6/09/2018

The difference here is that he was never explicitly described as a tabby, so the most we can do for now is give him identical coloring. If he's mentioned as a tabby, then he'd get the same stripes as his dad.

Alright, but what about Spottedpelt? Since she was described as resembling Spottedleaf her white chest was kept despite her not being described as having one. Isn't this the exact same situation?

pretty sure it was owing to the "striking resemblance", basically saying she looks extremely hauntingly similar. imo if it's deemed not needed, it should jut be deliuted to an off white, likes been done with other torties. as for fin and sandy, the same colours should apply, and perhaps the ginger legs stripes should be the same too, at the very least? fin wouldn't have to be a tabby and they'd match in everything except body stripes. 19:00, June 9, 2018 (UTC)