Talk:Cinderpelt

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 * Needs history expanded for most of The New Prophecy books and generally cleaned up Cleaned up and expanded history for all books, but some TNP sections are still lacking in detail, if someone could help expand  insaneular    Talk  21:18, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs Family Cited Done. Maplefern May StarClan light your pathHow's the Prey running? 00:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs Leafpool as apprentice Cited Done. B  a  t  w  i  n  g   ♥  22:21, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look for some quotes to add A couple more could be added if they are good, but no explicit need for them  insaneular    Talk  21:18, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Firestar's Quest and Moonrise sections need to be summarized for better flow and clarity, Firestar's Quest could alse be expanded. Done. 16:42, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * (She didn't do that much in FQ, I think it's fine the way it is) A N D Y S C H L E C KMousehis now obsessed!  18:08, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right Mousetalon, I did a quick read-through of FQ and she didn't do all that much. They could both still be shortened though. 18:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC
 * Ill get on it right now if you wantGoldenstripe 10:53, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ill get on it right now if you wantGoldenstripe 10:53, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Tivia needs to be cited Done 15:48, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Moonrise section could be expanded. Fixed
 * Needs The Sight section added (Was mentioned by Brackenfur, Leafpool, and Hollypaw at least 3 times) - 15:36, December 26, 2010 (UTC) Added.  16:56, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

father?
Who is Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart, and Thornclaw's father?

It was never comfirmed, we've just had to guess. Personally, I think it may be Lionheart, because of Brackenfur and Thornclaw's pelt color. And Brightheart could be white from her mother Frostfur, and the ginger splotches could be from Lionheart. And Cinderpelt's coloring could have come from Lionheart's father Smallear, who is also gray. Or it could have come from Frostfur's sister, Brindleface (who is also a gray tabby). But this is all just opinion. By the way, please sign with the four ~ -- Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 07:39, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it goes like this: Frostfur's mate is suspected to be Lionheart. thats why Brackenfur and Thornclaw are golden brown tabbys like Lionheart. and Brightheart gets her MAIN pelt color from her mom and the ginger patches from her paternal aunt, Goldenflower, and maternal grandmother's chest color. Cinderpelt has her paternal grandfather, Smallear and maternal aunt Brindelface's pelt color.

their eye colors are like this: Brackenfur and Thornclaw = Lionheart's eyes

Brightheart = maternal and paternal aunts eye color, Goldenflower is paternal and Brindleface is maternal

Cinderpelt = mother's eyes (Warriors13 23:37, January 15, 2010 (UTC))

Then think about their pesonalities, Brackenfur: Same color, same respectfulness, Think of it this way Brackenfur is the spitting image of Lionheart. Brightheart: Same fire, same amount of fairness and wisdom. Cinderpelt: same fierness when it comes to rights. Then Thornclaw: Same strength of Lionheart in the heat of the battle.216.248.89.31 22:47, February 20, 2011 (UTC)Silverthistle

Cinderpelt and Firestar
Firestar seems to have a connection to Cinderpelt, because he only tells her about his dreams. When he was just a warrior, why didn't he tell Bluestar, or when she was alive, Yellowfang? Whenever I have a dream like that, I usually tell my leader, Hawkstar. He usually knows what to do. Medicine cats are supposed to care for you, not give you advice. My medicine cat, Gustcloud, just heals my wounds. I don't understand why Firestar goes to Cinderpelt for advice, when he could've gone to Bluestar, and asked her about it. Someone reply to this if they agree.

What do you mean by "whenever I have a dream like that, I usually tell my leader, Hawkstar?" Are you referring to a RP site? You make it sound like it's for real... it's not...

Well maybe he feels closer to Cinderpelt because she was his former apprentice Dappleclaw 22:15, January 16, 2010 (UTC) Dappleclaw

True. But Firestar was Bluestar's apprentice, warrior, and deputy. She told him everything. So Bluestar and Cinderpelt both had strong connections with Firestar.74.107.120.99 02:30, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Firestar probably just could have been able to trust Cinderpelt because Bluestar and Yellowfang would have overreacted, and Cinderpelt has a calm head compared to the aforementioned she-cats.71.38.60.130 02:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well it might've been because Bluestar seemed a little mad back then, and he was probably too scared to tell her. Like the person above, I would also say that Bluestar and Yellowfang would overreact and go crazy. Cinderpelt would simply try to figure out the dream with him and give advice. -- Tinyflame --

Please take the Chatting to the forums please Grizzlyclaw00 00:33, January 13, 2011 (UTC)Grizzlyclaw00

But Cinderpelt was never meant to be a medicine cat and when the one sign about squirrelflight and brambleclaw would come together to help the clans cinderpelt interpeted it as they would destroy the clans. I think if firestar told bluestar or yellowfang I don't think that erin hunter would make yellowfang flip out but because bluestar was going a little crazy erin might have made bluestar freak out. - Silverthistle

Yellowfang wasn't too open with Fireheart. If he told her about the signs she might figure it out but not tell him. I also agree with Tinyflame (the one2 up from this) that Bluestar was a little crazy back then, and might have taken any sign as StarClan threating her or something. Cinderpelt was Fireheart's first apprentice, and had a calm mood after her ingury. She must have seem more trustworthy to Fireheart. Spottedstar the 42nd

It was also revealed by the Erins that Cinderpelt loved Firestar $~^*Cinderblaze12*^~$ 23:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Quotes
Is Cinderpelt going to have a quote(s)? If so, I have a good (well, I think it's pretty good) one from Midnight. Snowfeather 1Meow Mix, YUM! 00:08, January 14, 2010 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to put signature

That's a good idea

Cinderheart
Since she is reincarnated as Cinderheart then shouldn't the parts in PoT and tFA be listed? Like when she helps Jayfeather in tFA or when she "becomes"Cinderpelt? i think we should include only the parts of those books where she actually shows as Cinderpelt.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 22:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

You're right --Willowpool  'My talk' 01:03, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure though, because we already have a Cinderheart page, so it would just be a waste of time. We can say in Twilight that she has been reincarnated as Cinderheart and add a link to her page, if that's what you mean, but that's just my opinion. Tawny SMEASH 00:22, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Did anyone notice she is reborn as her brother's kit?! Yuck!

Icebreath 17:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)Icebreath forevah!

I noticed she was reborn as Brackenfur (her brother)'s kit, but how is that yuck?

to the person above me, its probably because they were BROTHER AND SISTER, not FATHER AND DAUGHTER. Think about it, if you were Cinderpelt and reincarnated as your BROTHER's kit (or say you died and reincarnated as your brother or sister's next child), wouldnt you find that a little weird? you would have a whole different mom, dad, etc.

also, i read some other things like this about Cinderpelt reincarnating as Cinderheart. U know how the spirit of Cinderpelt leaves Cinderheart without cinderheart dying? if you reincarnated, wouldnt you die if your spirit left the body? and wouldnt you remember your whole past *or just some of it* and your real name and life? I could be wrong, but ya never know

Medicine Cat Apprentice
Doesn't she need to have 'Medicine Cat Apprentice: Cinderpaw' in the Names section? I'd edit it myself but I'm not too good with it... :) Birchy  I am a warrior at heart...  17:33, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'll try Snickers20 17:20, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

I love Cinderpelt! I never thought she would become a medicine cat apprentice,well I knid of did but I'm only on the third book.

Please take that some where else. Starrlingpool

Lionheart?
Someone put Lionheart as her father and cited it as 'Fire and Ice', page 95-97. Can someone check for me because I don't have Fire and Ice? 19:31, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Flowerleaf, I checked, And the only time Lionheart was mentioned is when Bluestar gave Cinderpaw to Fireheart to mentor (since Lionheart was his mentor). And Fireheart thought he was watching Cinderpaw's apprenticeship. The same guy I think also put Lionheart as Frostfur's mate. I took care of that though, so no one has to worry about it.SakraTheHedgie 19:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! 19:58, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ciatation
Do you need a ciatation for the akwardly twisted leg?☻Sunstar27☻ Follow your Destiny! 16:36, September

I don't think so. Why?

Seen Living and Dead
I think we should put that Cinderpelt was seen dead in Twilight and Sunset, since we saw her dead body, and I think in Twilight when Cinderpelt had died and Leafpool found out, Leafpool could smell Cinderpelt's scent around her along with Spottedleaf's scent. If you want, I could find what page that it's at.

Anyways, should we? Dawnwhisper 07:07, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

No. Vicky confirmed that she never went to Starclan when she died, she went right into Cinderkit. 01:24, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

CINDERPELT RULES!

Still, we did see Cinderpelt dead. o3o Dawnwhisper 04:07, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Its about seeing a cat post death, as in seeing a cat in StarClan or the Dark Forest. You can't technically say that someone died in a certain book if you haven't seen them post death. - 15:13, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I have one question, though. Would it count as seeing Cinderpelt in the books with Cinderheart in them? I'm not sure if it should because if she was reincarnated into Cinderheart, then She pretty much is

Cinderheart. The only problem is if we did say she was listed as being in the book it wouldbe confusing for someone who isn't paying attention. Spottedstar the 42nd

Well we have a page on Cinderheart, so what really is the point? ~ Whirlwind~

Eh, I think if she did reincarnated into Cinderheart, she would of remembered her life atleast. And if she did, she would of still loved Firestar secretly instead of liking Lionblaze afterwards. Personally, I think there should of been parts in the book that said she was Cinderpelt in Cinderheart and then when it was Cinderheart. If it really was cinderpelt, maybe the scent would of been on her, she would of remembered all her life, and cats would realize "Hey, it's Cinderpelt!". then when it was Cinderheart's spirit as if she wasnt reincarnated, cinderheart would have her own life. if cinderpelt left cinderheart at the end, it should be like that. And jayfeather should've told everyone cinderpelt reincarnated, and everyone realize from time to time.

Quote
Is there supposed to be the quote at the top like that? 21:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's a new idea that was decided on by Project Characters-- 21:48, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Twilight scene?
I know Bluestar was already cited for the beginning of Twilight, but wasn't Yellowfang there too? It might be helpful if we checked who the cats were, but that's just my thoughts...Talyn09 21:36, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean when StarClan was telling Cinderpelt, that her death was near? 04:34, October 9, 2010 (UTC) Exactly. :3

I'm trying to find the book now... Talyn09 02:23, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

I think the Character Pixel should have a limp leg to make it more accurate. Cowsrock1 01:21, November 28, 2010 (UTC

This should be taken up with PCA, Cowsrock. It has nothing to do with the conversation above. And Cinderpelt already has a Character Pixel with a limp leg. -- 01:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Whew, I never new my best friend Midnite could be so harsh. But she's right and if you are going to do that (which you should not), make a new topic. That has nothing to do with the Twilight Scene. Nightfern The Ferns of Night 04:26, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Snorts* Nightfern, my harsh level ranges from zero to 10,000. ;) But yes, you're right too, this is talking about the Twilight scene, not the character pixel. Also, Talyn, when you find the book (if you find the book), make sure there's a clear reference to Yellowfang before you add it in. You probably know that, though. :) -- 17:27, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I just got the book before Tayln( as the book was on hand) and read the prolouge quick. Yellowfang was not there. but there was Bluestar, Tallstar, Crookedstar, and suspected Spottedleaf and Feathertail or Silverstream. Spottedstar the 42nd

cinderpelt and cinderheart
in forest of secrets, she seemed happy to become a medicine cat apprentice71.253.195.90 16:44, December 24, 2010 (UTC)berrystorm in dark river, cinderheart fell out of the sky oak
 * Casual chatter does not belong on character talk pages. Please take it to the off wiki forum. 01:42, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

....and? Add it Cinderhearts page if its not there, but you don't need to post it on Cinderpelts page. - 15:40, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

When was Cinderpelt shown as white in warriors return?

She was shown as white on page 10. 00:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Apprentice charart


It looks like Cinderpelt has one leg on her medicine cat apprentice charart... .Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 01:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that too. She should have a twisted foot there. 雨Ic e ca  ve雨 16:26, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

No she shouldn't, since she hasn't had a twisted foot since she was kitted. You could put that in the passage. ~Whirlwind~

page
what hapened to her page?! it's all like.... jacked up!! Sandstormrocks32 17:11, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what happened. Whatever it was, I fixed it. 17:15, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think this proves Whitestorm is her father...
I found this on Kate's Facebook page today. http://zyker325.deviantart.com/art/BLAM-243725832 I think that proves that Whitestorm is infact Bright/Thorn/Bracken/Cinder's father and Frostfur's mate. 20:36, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone put Whitestorm as her father please? Kate confirmed it on her page...

Whitestorm as her Father - Properly Discussed
According to some, THIS constitutes proof that Whitestorm is her father. I disagree with it. The exchange in question is as follows, and I feel that people are reading only a single line and not taking the meaning of the whole exchange.


 * Nick A.: Hi kate! just wondering, who is cinder pelt's father? like a confirmed father? [excluded the end of his statement]
 * Shaina J.: [truncated beginning] Vicky said she's like to think it was Whitestorm, but not to quote her on it.
 * Nick A.: I know but I wonder what Kate thinks XD
 * Kate Cary: Def Whitestorm!

From this exchange I do not feel that we can substantiate Whitestorm as her sire because you cannot verify if she's confirming a sire, or confirming that she'd like to think it was Whitestorm like Vicky. The given statement simply isn't bulletproof. It doesn't say "her sire is definitely Whitestorm". It can mean either "her sire is definitely Whitestorm" or "i'd very much like her sire to be Whitestorm". We can't just consider a single line in a conversation, we have to consider the entire exchange.

03:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, the only Erin I trust 100% is Vicky, but I say keep what I put up: that Kate mentioned that Whitestorm MAY be the father. If Vicky thinks so and Kate backs it up, I think it's substantial enough for that at least. 03:19, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, I heard about this originally from here. So, I went to the actual facebook page to see if it was true. Sure enough, it was there, so I took a screenshot. I was just the guy who said I'll add it in. If you think it shouldnt be included, then I wont stand in your way x) -- 03:23, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I very honestly don't think that post is proof. We can't substantiate what Kate meant with the statement she made. There are two very clear possible meanings for her statement of "def whitestorm". People are ignoring the entirety of the conversation when they label that FB comment as proof. 15:29, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think Whitestorm is her father. Unless we have actually proof from Vicky about him being her and her siblings father, I won't believe it. Vicky even said on her FB page once that she likes to think of Lionheart as Brackenfur's father, which would mean his siblings are included. (I forgot where it was, but I saw it once.) 21:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I have actual BOOK PROOF that Whitestorm is their father :D It's crystal Clear!
Okay, so on page 264 of Into the Wild, Whitestorm has lead a patrol to go get the four stolen kits from ShadowClan (Thorn, Cinder, Bright, and Bracken) and then he talks to Yellowfang about coming back to ThunderClan. She says,"You do need a medicine cat, for you and for your kits," BAM. Yellowfang said those kits where Whitestorm's :D 20:20, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

No, no. I believe Yellowfang meant the kits belonged to ThunderClan. ♥Phoenixfeather: Sebastian is one hot butler :)♥  20:21, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reincarnation
It says that she died and went straight to cinderheart but in twilight spottedleaf and cinderpelt come to her and spottedleaf says something and cinderpelt says starclan is always watching over you. I can get the actual quote and get the source if you want me to prove it. Star shine ☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 00:23, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Since you have evidence, it should be added in the trivia section with a reference. 19:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Cinderkit?
Where was she or her siblings ever mentioned with kit names? -Sunheart- 18:58, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Not that I know of. 19:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

When the kits were taken by ShadowClan. There were four kits, if memory serves me correctly. We don't know which one was which, but we do know which kits they were. Brackenkit, Thornkit, Brightkit and Cinderkit, I do believe. 19:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Cinderkit kidnapped
it couldn't have been cinderkit kidnapped by shadowclan in Into the Wild. Is Fire and Ice, page 108, when Fireheart is showing her the ShadowClan border, she says, "I remember that scent from when Brokenstar attacked our camp. And it was on the kits he took, when you brought them home. It's ShadowClan!" I understand that it makes sense, Fireheart pulling a kit who was gray like cinders, but why would she say, "it was on the kits he took, when you brought them home." if she was one of the kits captured? And if she was too young to remember it, and Frostfur or someone only told her that so she wouldn't be scared or something to know it was her, then she wouldn't be almost 6 moons old. It doesn't make sense. Spottedstar42 The WWi ki van dals Mu st fall!!!  08:25, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Another of the frequent inconsistancy issues with Warriors. You could add it to the trivia. Cinders are Blazing ᴸᴵᴼᴺѕ ᴳᴼт ᴺᴵᴺᴶа ᴾᴬᵂѕ 03:22, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

i thought one of brightheart's siblings was swiftpaw at first, so thats when i agreed with the top one. but then i checked out the warriorcats.com site and went to the cat family tree updated to "the sight" (link is here: http://warriorcats.com/warriorshell.html ) and it confirms Cinderpelt WAS one of the kits *you can see that where it has brackenfur near the left almost in the middle*. and i was wrong when i thought brightheart and swiftpaw arent sisters; graystripe and swiftpaw are brother and sister.

Two med. cat chararts in the gallery.
Cinderpelt has two med. cat chararts in the gallery if someone could fix that please? =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan!  04:24, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

She has two because one is an alternate image, so, her page is fine. =) 04:29, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

TLH
I'm new to the project, so I don't know about this but (Spoilers for TLH) Should we add dead for TLH because when Cinderheart makes the choice to be a warrior Cinderpelt's spirit comes out of her body and whispers thank you. Just don't know about that.TheBoss2 19:27, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

YES!!! That is what I've been trying to post alllll day!!!(computer died :P) She is finally in StarClan because she isn't Cinderheart 'cause she chose to be a warrior and that sent her spirit free! She is finally in StarClan.

108.233.17.102 23:01, April 7, 2012 (UTC) ~Amberleaves~

Found her father
I looked on the Wikipedia article for Thunderclan cats and it said Whitestorm was her father. In case you want proof of it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ThunderClan_cats#Bluestar.27s_Prophecyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ThunderClan_cats#Bluestar.27s_Prophecy 20:28, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

We can't use that as a legit source. Unless it's from one of the authors, or a book, it's not viable. 20:32, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, sorry than.20:36, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Reincarnated...
You know, I think we're misusing the word reincarnated here... (SPOILERS) If Cinderpelt's soul was able to split away from Cinderheart and leave with Cinderheart still completely intact and just missing Cinderpelt's memories, this proves that Cinderheart is an entirely different cat, not a reincarnation. If anything, it's more like Cinderpelt was passively possessing Cinderheart, just an extra soul latched onto the body that could leave at any time and not just a single soul reborn in a new body. Should we at least mention this tidbit in the trivia or something? 01:05, July 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * If I get no objections, I'll add it in tonight after work. 18:23, July 15, 2012 (UTC)