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Hawkheart (Alt. W) - For Approval
Well, here's Hawkheart. I like him about as much as I like Thistleclaw. (I. Am. Not. A. Hawkheart. Fan.) Still, I thought he'd be fun to do. All character art is fun to do! Hawkheart was a bit of a challenge, which made it even more fun. Gotta go see the coverart for The Sign of the Moon (I saw it while I was uploading)! Yay! So, comments? I'm kind of happy with how he turned out. :) Holly  dapple  04:19, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

This is really good, but we've got to figure out which style we're going to use, yours, or Moonpelt's. Personally, I prefer Moonpelt's, it looks more flecked. But that's just me Night  Fall 04:38, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Nightfall. I know my Hawkheart doesn't look like Moonpelt's. I was thinking about how I was going to do Hawkheart for atleast four days. I really liked his/her style too, but I just can't smudge it in that cool way. I tried, but it looked horrific. I am not joking. I can't make it smudged without messing it up. Holly dapple  04:51, July 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well if we're using yours, lets blur in the flecks some more please :) I can see a bit of sharp edges in some a little. They are like REALLY sharp, but they're very defined and kind of make it stick out.-- Cchslogo.gif Gladiator  Band Geek Treble_and_bass_clef_heart.png 05:06, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded. All spots blurred with Photoshop Elements, Shimmerpool. Did I get what you meant? I saw it on the throat patch particularly. Man, I'm sleepy. But TW is over, so I can get back to work! Yay! Anyway, if there are any other areas in particular that look weird, let me know, please. Holly  dapple  06:06, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

This looks nice. I have two small suggestions: the ear pink is a little big and is almost falling out of his ear. And the highlight on the shoulder, as well as the spots could do with some more blending. Perhaps try using the smudge tool a little on the spots and then blending. It takes some getting used to but looks good. 12:05, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Fixed the earpink, blended the highlight, and smudged and blurred the spots. I kind of like this. :) But I was wondering if since he's supposed to be "flecked", maybe he should look more like Ashfur or Ferncloud? Oh, and before I save this, if I don't respond to any messages right away, that's just because I may not be able to get to the computer (what with the homeschooling, cats, computer, and heat!). But I didn't smudge the paws because two of my cats have shag-rug long fur, and their paws are not smudged. Holly  dapple  05:03, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, maybe he should look more like Ferncloud and Ashfur. Darken the shading around the forearms and haunch a bit more-- n i g h t  s h i n e  00:24, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that if you add a few smaller flecks to what you already have then it will be fine. 11:05, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reuploaded. I added a few smaller flecks...I don't know if I messed it up. I darkened the shading around the forearms and the haunch. Do I need to darken it a touch more? Holly  dapple  21:04, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

This looks great! Add more tail stripes and darken the shading on the forearm and chest-- 23:06, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * smacks forehead* I forgot to reupload...ugh, stupid Hollydapple. So technically, now he's reuploaded. I did everything I said above...sorry. Holly  dapple  21:11, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Define and blur the ear-pink more. 20:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

He looks great. But can you...maybe add some more shading on the haunch? ♥Featherblaze♥ Meow to me!  18:07, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

He looks wonderful! Maybe add some more stripes on his tail? 20:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Thanks. I added more haunch shading, more arm shading, and more chest shading, as well as the tail stripes. I didn't understand quite what you meant about the ear pink, Frostheart. What do you mean by defining and blurring the ear pink more? Holly dapple  17:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

The ending is a bit rounded, make it more straight to be like a triangle. Other than that, this is fantastic. 00:27, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Thanks, Frostheart! Don't know if I blurred the ear pink too much. If needed, I'll make it more opaque. Holly dapple  21:25, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit smaller. 21:58, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink smaller. 22:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I just redid the earpink completely. Holly dapple  21:11, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Make it more defined and blur it some more. 22:59, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink looks like its falling out of the ear, trying moving it further up. -- 03:11, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the haunch a bit. 19:53, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a little lighter--make the color more neutral. Maybe add some speckles to his tail? Willow heart  1231  23:52, August 30, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Smudge the chest patches a bit. 23:24, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Also, make the ear pink smaller and darker. And blur it. 17:31, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller, darker, and blur it. I agree with Icestorm. I hate Hawkheart, and may StarClan light your path. 02:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Try and make the ear pink a bit more triangular Tawny (Talk) 21:56, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Sorry it's taken so long. I had the image with the suggested changes at that time ready a few days ago, but Wikia convinently closed off the uploading, and I couldn't get to it for a few days. The ear pink has been lightened, shrunk, and more defined. It looked better lighter than darker, so that's what I did. I may go back and change the ear pink so it's further in the ear, but I'm kinda busy right now. I added a few speckles to his tail, Willowheart. They're kinda small, but...they're speckles. :3 Oh, yeah, and the haunch has been lightened. Holly dapple  04:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hold on, for some reason my changes didn't show up. Lemme try again tomorrow. Sorry! Dumb internet. *starts muttering about lousy dialup connection* Holly  dapple  04:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on his back. And the tip of his tail is cut off; try and fix that =) 19:32, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I darkened the shading a while ago, so I don't know if it's too dark...let me know if it is. Here's hoping the changes show up. I think he looks too pale now...I'm not going to explain why, but I'll probably darken him again this evening, if I get the chance.Oh, and as for the tail, I tried fixing the tip, but it looks a little funny. I'm going to try to fix it a little more later. Holly dapple  20:29, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

The end of his tail looks cut off. Desaturate the ear pink and blur it. Blur the spot on his shoulder and blur the shading-- 04:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Rockshade (W)-For Approval
Fail, fail, EPIC FAIL!! I am NEVER doing a black cat again...ha ha they are unlucky. I know the highlights on the shoulder are too noticeable, but if I blur them anymore, then the color goes missing because photoshops blurring is too strong. So...comments? Earth bender Tawny Style! 15:25, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Use a darker color for the highlight then you should use Pixler.com or Gimp although I use nether, I use My Paint but I alway have to remake the background to make it transparent Rainear   be as silent as rain  17:49, August 8,2010

Blur the shading, make the highlights darker. The shading is also lumpy and seems exactly black to me. Make the highlights smaller. Frostheart ♥  17:59, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I fixed the highlights, shading, and I lightened it. Suggestions? Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:28, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 19:08, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights are basically taking over the complete picture now. Just redo the paint, add some shading as you would. Blur, then just midtones in highlights, and click once or twice. Make sure it's not bigger than size 50. Frostheart ♥  19:47, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

He looks dark gray...I suggest making the image darker. Dawnleaf 19:53, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

I realized that something changed in the pixlr highlighter, so get rid of the highlights, redo the shading and choose a slightly lighter color for the highlight, choosesize 50 and just pretend thats the highlight. ^^ Frostheart  ♥  22:07, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED:Frostheart, I use photoshop, not pixlr. (I only use it to delete the white part). Anyways, I darkened the image,fixed the highlights. Suggestions? Earth bender Tawny Style! 22:30, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Make the highlights smaller and make the shading noticeable in the leg area. Frostheart ♥  02:37, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I made the shading a bit more noticable, but I epically FAILED on the making it smaller part. ;P Suggestions? Earth bender Tawny Style! 13:52, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

It's much better now. Just even out the shading on the hind leg. That's it. xD Frostheart  ♥  19:12, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: Ifixed the shading on the hind leg. Suggestons? Earth bender Tawny Style! 22:08, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the haunch,otherwise this is great! :) 22:12, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink is a little lopsided. 03:11, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink looks fine to me. 13:53, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - Same here. And actually, black cats are lucky in Europe, and white cats are bad. 0.o 12:01, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: fixed the hind leg shading. Suggestons? Tawny is here... 22:59, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken and blur the shading.-- 01:28, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Where, specifically? (sorry, but I'm starting to get demented ;P)


 * I'd say to thicken it on the chest and haunch but not the midriff, and to blur it everywhere =) 08:59, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: Thickened the shading, but the shading on the haunch won't blur anymore, I'd HIGHLY appreciate it if someone could help me with the blurring, and I also lightened the highlights because I thought they could have used some brightning. Suggestions? Earth bender Tawny Style! 16:11, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I opened this on GIMP and I don't think I blurred it that well. xD I think you darkened the shading too much. 16:23, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Frostheart! Yeah, my shading is now like permenatly black on like all settings, I don't know why. Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

You should change the opacity, it usually is on 50 you can change it to like 20. :P For Gimp, just adjust the thing at the bottom. :P 18:12, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I took your advice, Frostheart. Fixed the shading and lowered the opacity. Suggestions? Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:39, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I'm very picky. xD The ear-pink is very blurred.... ♥Featherblaze♥ Meow to me!  22:56, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Great :( ... do I have to re-do it, or...un-blur it (is that even possible?) Earth  bender Tawny Style! 00:44, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

This is what I do :P. I color pick the area nearest to the ear-pink (the highlights,shadows etc) I fill the pink with that. It's okay if it isn't the exact same color. Choose an ear-pink color make a triangle, blah and then blur it. The blurring should even out the pelt color if it wasn't the same. 14:37, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I tried to fix the earpink, but I made it MORE blurred I think....Random Question, but Frostheart, are you an apprentice or warrior for the PCA?

Yeah, I'm an apprentice. Why? :P

I just thought because you give good advice that you'd be a warrior, and you are very helpful!! :D Well when you get your 5th charart approved, I'll definatly be cheering for you!! Anyways, back to charart, any critcism? 00:23, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights look a little whispy, are you using a smudge tool? ➪'❀❤Dappleclaw❤❀' GO SHADOWCLAN!!! 00:33, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hehe. Thanks. ^.^ 02:54, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

No, I don't use the smudge tool, I use blur...but I've noticed that it's looking sort of...whispyish. I'll fix it ASAP. 15:29, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Just a reminder, school starts on Monday for me, so I'm not going to have that much time. So on Monday, someone is free to take this and continue to work on it, if that's allowed... 15:29, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I'll work on it a bit if you'd like, and if it's allowed. :P 17:45, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading.-- 18:10, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: That'd be great, Frostheart! You can start the work immediatly on Monday. And I blurred the shading and highlights as much as I could. 18:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Am I allowed to keep up my Jagged Rock photo and help you work on this? 19:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it depends. I might leave Charart for a few months so I could focus on school work, but basically, yes. But I need to talk to Bramble about it... 19:26, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Aww, don't leave. :( 23:00, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

lol if I don't my dad will murder me (it's happened before...) But I won't leave forever! Basically, I would only come on for like the weekends and a month at a time because my main goal is school work. But definatly by December I'll be a full member again.

Just blur the shading more and this should be ready-- 01:17, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. :) Please leave messages on my talk-page to know your alive. :P Just blur the shading a tiny bit, it's great. 02:03, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I tried to blur the shading more, but if I go any harder, my computers gonna blow up at me. And don't worry, I'll stop in every now and then to tell you that I'm alive lol xD Any more Comments? 13:27, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Try blurring the haunch and chest shading a bit more-- 17:33, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED: I tried to blur the shading as much as I could. Still, theres barely a difference :( Someone else is going to have to try and blur it, because my computer will NOT cooperate when it comes to blurring (first it was too strong, now it's too weak) 01:39, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Looks great! Comments before approval?-- 20:23, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights and shading really need to be blurred. But hey, isn't Tawny leaving the project? I suppose someone could always just touch it up for her. 17:43, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - I agree with Mossy, but I don't know about Tawny. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:46, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Since Tawny has left the project, is this going to be archived? 15:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - Well, she did give somebody permission to work on it, I think. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:57, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

If someone takes over, blur the shading. 23:28, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

She said I could take over, but I still have my Jag photo up, and I'm pretty sure that has to be archived first. :P - 02:17, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Frostheart, when you get a chance to work on this, give him a torn ear :3 12:00, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. :P 03:49, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - And blur the highlights. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:17, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

I will add the torn ear later. 20:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Can you add some highlights? I know they're not required, but without them it sort of just looks like a solid black cat. 07:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Something is really messed up with Pixlr's highlighter. -.- Should I redo this? 15:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Since this is officially handed over to you, I can comment on it without getting rocks chucked at me. I think that you should try to get either GIMP or Photoshop. I use Photoshop, it cam for free with my tablet, and GIMP is a free download off the internet. And about the highlights, I'd just say try to put them on as bright as they go (believe it or not, I think Shadow is the brightest setting..o.o) and set exposure on 100% to see if the highlights show up....it might work... Earth bender Tawny Style! 23:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I do have Gimp. I use both for an image. XD 00:45, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Tear his ear >_< 01:01, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

This looks weird, right? xD 22:13, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire image, and add a highlight on his shoulder (I know they're optional, but you have one on his flank :P) 23:52, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty. :P First time using Gimp highlights, besides practice. XD 03:38, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Plumwillow (a) - For Approval
20:10, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

My first cat. I don't know about it... 15:43, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Plumwillow.apprentice.png and blur the earpink.Also, I'm pretty sure this is over the limit.-- . Silverstar  . talk  15:50, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

This is good and like silverstar said blur the pink ear XXRainfeatherXx 15:54, August 10, 2010 (UTC)Honeyfeather

I think it's blurred enough, but the corner is touching the ear, make it shaped and make it lighter. Frostheart ♥  17:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink is too pink. Make it a bit darker. It's amazing for your first cat! Rain breath  17:22, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

The top of the haunch needs blurring. Darkhallows... Mew? 21:01, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Er... like Silverstar said, this is the 38th charart up for approval on this page, which is over the limit. This project talk page is only allowed to have 35 sections (chararts for approval) at a time. 雨晶須 夏天來了! 21:53, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

So what do I do? Should I make the corrections or is this taken down and sorry, I miscounted.68.84.233.244 23:29, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! That was me. I thought I was signed in. 23:31, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I made the ear pink not touch the line art, darkened it and blured the shading and thanks Rainbreath. 19:23, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

You still have to rename it to Plumwillow.apprentice.png --''' . Silverstar. talk '''00:13, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to mention that, but I did it. 01:32, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

No, you didn't. You called it Plumwillow_Apprentice.png. I know it's pretty small, but hey, my coal warrior one was originally called Coal.Warrior and they changed it for one capital letter. ♫ mosspool ♫  the new dovesong! 05:53, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry mosspool, I fixed it now. Is there anything I need to change with the image? 16:00, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a bit smaller. 20:11, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and darken the haunch shading. 00:27, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Darkened and blurred shading.--Will oww hisp GOWARRIOR CATS 02:25, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fix the shading around his hind-leg, and maket the ear-pink lighter. 04:10, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to fix the shading on her hind leg because every time I blur it, it gets bigger. What sould i do 18:26, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

On the blur tool, make it a very small brush and zoom in so that you can blur in detail around the haunch area. Blur thoroughly in that area so there are no hard lines between any transitions. The ear pink color is fine in my opinion. -- 03:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Better? 19:09, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights slightly. 19:51, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Blurred highlights. 15:33, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights and shading a bit more and make the ear pink smaller-- 01:29, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Better? 15:26, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - The highlights look beautiful, but the one on her front leg is in the middle of the lineart. I think you should move it back some, so it's more in the middle.

Re-uploaded Better? 01:18, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think this looks lovely. CBA? 09:13, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink a lighter. It looks purple right now. I feel so bad for ruining CBA. Dx 02:23, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry Frostheart, if it's not ready then I understand. I'm at my mom's work so when I get home I'll fix it. 20:13, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now that I don't have to feel bad about ruining CBA (lol Frostheart), it looks to me like there's this little dent on the top of the earpink. Perhaps you could smooth it out a bit? 05:15, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Might I just say that it's not about 'ruining CBA' because when a senior warrior puts that on an image it's a matter of their opinion that the image is ready. The whole point of having CBA is that this project isn't a dictatorship and that the senior team aren't infallible. =) 12:31, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, Sandy, but you got to know that feeling where you see "CBA" and you go OMG MY CHARART IS ALMOST APPROVED and you get all excited and then somebody comments and it's all like "noooooooo...." lol you know what I mean? 20:04, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's fine though, I only saw Frosthearts thing and then Sandy's. Anyway, better? 20:10, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Maybe blur the shading on the top of the haunch a TEENSY bit. Just a tiny bit and then it looks perfect to me =) -- 21:12, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlight near the shoulder. 22:46, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-upload Better? 23:52, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Blur it more still. 17:45, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more reddish, its like hot pink right now. Also blur the shading on the haunch a bit. -- 03:52, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm so sorry about my inactiveness if that is the real word. I have had a sleep away camp till now and I'm at my mom's work, but the computer won't download the pic so I will do this for sure when I get home, but I am in another camp now so this will be done in about...10 hours. Again, I'm really sorry. 12:30, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

It's alright. For the image, it is lovely and well done, I just see that the haunch shading needs blurring. 14:08, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Better? 03:07, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

It needs a bit more blurring, then it will be ready. 17:36, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlighting and ear pink. I am famous for being PICKY about ear pinks! JK, I'm not famous. 03:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the upper haunch, there's a pretty obvious separation between shadow and highlight there. 13:09, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I'm having a lot of trouble with the haunch shading. Could some one help me if I don't have it right. 14:50, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the haunch a bit to the right and move the shoulder highlight up a bit and change the earpink colour slightly - it's kinda purple. -- 01:56, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm is this okay? I tried to fix it up but IDK. 00:12, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Move the shoulder highlight up a bit and triangulate the earpink and then it's perfect. -- 04:23, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more triangular. The ear pink looks neon... ish. I suggest changing the color or lightening it? Sunny Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...06:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur highlights. Mistfire Ready, Fence! No, don't spear the kitty! 17:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, blur the highlights, and on the haunch the shading looks odd against the highlight, blur it together more. I guess I'm making my return. 火の毛皮 18:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Harveymoon (KP) - For approval
Well here he is! I don't think he's to bad but then he's my first charart uploaded on here. Comments but nothing rude or too mean please! ♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 22:03, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Remove the earpink from his left our right ear and blur the shading more. Nice job. 22:07, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Remove the ear-pink on the right and blur it. Make the shading a bit more noticeable. 22:09, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded~ Better? His shading was a bit picky but I made it more noticeable. ♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 22:27, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 22:48, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Make the warpink smaller. Then blur it. 23:04, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Moonflight. Also, blur the shading and add more shading top the top of the shading and back legs. His eyes are also a bit bright, but that probably doesn't matter too much. 05:35, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded - I had to redo his body so I could do the shading on it. Its blurred as much as I can without damaging the lineart and earpink is smaller I didn't change the colour of his eyes because they look fine to me. ♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 21:43, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading much much more and make the ear-pink like a triangle. 00:32, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot more. You can go over the line art, or maybe shrink the size of the blur tool. Add some shading right underneath his collar. A good example right now I think would help you is Velvet (underneath). But you don't have to listen to me because I'm only an apprentice. Ha ha =D. Willowheart May StarClan light your path! 00:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Tansy, I think you may have sharpened the shading instead of blurring it, because it was a lot more blurred before. :P Oh well, everyone makes mistakes. If you use pixlr, the blur is the tear drop. If you use GIMP, just make sure the blur/shapren tool is set to blur, not sharpen. 03:48, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Put the blur tool on 100 and blur the shading as much as you can. 11:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the shading and blur. Add shading to the paws and arm, and face. Blur the ear pink. 18:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 19:36, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-done - Thickened and blurred on 100. Don't worry Willowheart I listened ♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 22:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

The shading needs serious blurring, and make the ear pink more triangular. 22:05, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. You need to blur the shading a whole bunch so it looks more natural. Sunny frost  22:16, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I changed the section title. Remember it is usually KP when submitting a kittypet. As for the image, it's too dark, he looks like a pale gray cat, lighten it, and use a less concentrated brush for the highlights. =) user:Mousetalon 22:30, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Blurred a lot and I had to re-do the body so I hope he's ok for now because I'll be going off soon also earpink was blurred as well.<font color="Aqua" style="background:Black">♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 22:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink like a triangle. The shading seems blotchy and uneven now. 23:05, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

The shading needs more blurring. 13:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Blur all the shading and the shading on the right forearm (the forearm we can see) looks uneven, try to fix it up, I can't really explain how it looks.... 14:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

You still really need to blur the shading. And there is some blurred lineart by his right ear. Sunny frost  17:25, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading a ton. His head is blurred and a little bit where the fore-arm steps out. 17:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink still looks square'ish (lol) make it more triangular. -- 04:47, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Better? Dawny don't worry I understood the earpink did look more like a rectangle. Anyway I'm going on holiday from tomorrow till Friday so I won't be able to update him for a while but when I get back I'll be right on the case. <font color="Aqua" style="background:Black">♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 21:46, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I changed the section title again, remember it's KP for kittypet. And center the ear pink. 22:50, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading and blur it, but well done! River pelt Deputy of StormClan 01:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Change the ear-pink to the angle of the line-art. 01:41, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I think you should blur the ear pink Sunny  frost  22:17, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - Blur the shading some. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:57, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink, it looks a bit unnatural. And shift the ear pink to our right a little, to match the angle - oh, wait someone already said that... xD 13:46, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on his back a lot. 18:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Darken and blur the shading. 18:07, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

add some highlights, he looks gray. blur the shading. Sunny frost  22:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Highlights are optional and his pelt color is fine. - 22:47, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Willow heart  1231  00:42, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Blur the ear-pink. 04:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

He looks gray. Make him look white. 03:01, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think the main reason people say it looks gray is because the shading is a bit too dark. Lighten it, or blur it alot. 14:20, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I thought the pelt colour was fine. Well I'll lighten the shading like silver said <font color="Aqua" style="background:Black">♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 18:38, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded ~Ah that was a lot of blurring. I did what silver said lightened shading and blurred it a lot. When I saved it it looked gray but on pixlr and when I uploaded it it was the pale gray-white colour. <font color="Aqua" style="background:Black">♫ Tansy ♫ So unbelievable it's believeable! 19:05, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the earpink. -- 23:34, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the back shading. 15:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Try and make the ear pink a bit more triangular... Earth bender Tawny Style! 23:32, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and blur the shading (Has this been said already?) Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 23:44, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather (A) - For Approval


MY FIRST CHARART!!!! =D

Elorisa has yet to decide, which means so have I. The striped style or the patched tabby style? The patched tabby style looks more like Elorisa's, but I like the regularly-striped one better. Even though it doesn't look very much like Elorisa's. Anyways, comments? =D 02:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink needs to be bigger. The patched one looks really blotchy to me. Do the striped one more like the Creekfeather one up for approval. :P 02:42, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Will do. But even though the second one is prettier, it doesn't really look like Elorisa's and I couldn't get the patched tabby one to look... well.. patched-tabby-ish lol ... Argh... -- 02:48, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Fixed earpink -- 03:01, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I like the patched tabby. Blurr the stripes on the striped one a bit. <font color="Silver">Ic <font color="Thistle">eh <font color="Violet">ea <font color="Orchid">rt    <font color="Violet">Will the thaw ever come?  03:37, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

All of them? Or certain ones? Specific, please =) -- 04:59, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Blurred the stripes a little bit. Problem, though. I use GIMP, and, unfortunately when I saved this as a .png (because the wiki can't upload .xcf s) I accidentally forgot to save it as a .xcf as well, so now my little flashing line around the lineart is gone and I can blur the lineart where I couldn't before. So I'm having issues working on it without blurring or drawing on the lineart. Does anybody have suggestions? -- 05:17, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I can't really help with that. I just save it on png on Gimp and it's fine. As for the image, make the striped one more like zigzags unless you like it this way. Blur the ear-pink a bit more. 15:30, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Second one. Blur the stripes there and lighten it. On the first one, darken the patches. 18:31, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the patched one. 23:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I like how the patched one looks, but the stripes one needs to lightened. <font color="Silver">Ic <font color="Thistle">eh <font color="Violet">ea <font color="Orchid">rt    <font color="Violet">Will the thaw ever come?  00:58, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Patched: thickened shading, added a few patches, blurred earpink. Striped: dodged whole image with a brush on 10% exposure, fixed lineart issue (THANK YOU ICEHEART), blurred earpink. Better? -- 01:16, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Both images: darken the head shading, it's not visible. 01:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Both images: Darken the ear pink. Patched one: blur it more. 02:59, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

What should I blur? The earpink? -- 03:10, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

If you decide on the regularly striped one, I'd say blur the stripes, and add more striping to the legs, face and tail. 21:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

'Kay, I'll add more stripes to the legs, but the tail I tried to copy from the warrior pic, which doesn't have as many stripes, I think, and could you give me some tips on how to stripe the face? I tried when I was first making it, but it just looked stupid, so I took them off -- 05:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Elorisa has decided on the patched one 13:19, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes she has. So, define the stripes, as I said before, it looks blotchy--ish. xD 20:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Can you take out the stripe by the eye? it looks like its coming out of the eye. Sunny frost  20:19, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It does not matter. Elorisa chose the patched one. 23:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

oh ok Sunny  frost  23:19, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry this is taking so long, but I'm working on renovating my bedroom. Please don't decline, as I AM working on it. Comments noted. -- 22:22, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

The spot on his haunch looks funny. Either remove it, lighten it up, or add little speckles around it. (Sorry if I sound demanding!) Willow  heart  1231  00:36, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Add some spots to the face to, it just kind of stops ina line on the the neck.--  <font color="Silver">Ic <font color="Thistle">eh <font color="Violet">ea <font color="Orchid">rt     <font color="Violet">Will the thaw ever come? : 19:25, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Any more comments? -- 18:08, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

He is very pretty, just blurr the highlight on his face a little more and he's purrrrrfect;)-- I c e    h e  a r  t♥  : 00:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded This look good? -- 01:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the shading. -- 22:13, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thickened shading and added a few patches. Comments? I am desperate to do whatever it takes to get this approved XD -- 03:33, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The shading looks really dark along the back and haunch. Lighten it a tiny bit. 18:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Can you tell? For some reason, it looks like it didn't reupload. Is that silly? Is it just me? -- 06:41, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded again Checking to see if the uploader is working. If not, I'll try again in the morning. Any more comments? Please? I love comments XD 08:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It is definitely working. PLEASE COMMENT. I really wanna get this approved =D 01:51, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken/blurr the shading along the back, but don't make it any darker.-- 02:02, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? 03:11, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to be impatient, but all I ever do is go on WW, so I get impatient naturally.... Any comments?? 23:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Blur and lighten the shading, and give him more patched stripes. 23:49, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded I lightened the shading (it still looks bad) and added a few patches, but I'm having issues. I can't make them look good!! GRAR! lol any tips for making the patches look normal-ish? 01:23, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks as good as any other approved image. But i'm just an apprentice and can't do much about it.-- 23:36, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Aww, thanks Special K. It means a lot =) 01:34, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Egg (A)- for Approval
I think it came out horrible, but comments? River pelt Deputy of StormClan 19:20, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The torn ear looks like the line-art is...gray or faded? :P 19:34, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Sorry about that! =P River pelt Deputy of StormClan 19:42, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It's still faded and gray/whiteish. The tail highlight is really bright. 20:15, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

the torn ear is still gray/faded. Sunny frost  20:17, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yupp. The tail looks a little to bright. (: ShadowandBlue 23:03, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink needs to be darker. 23:24, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Add some more highlights and blur them (I know highlights are optional, but you already have them so I'm pretty sure I can make suggestions for them) Thicken the shading. 00:08, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Okay, I redid him, I fixed the torn ear (so everyone knows there is no gray/white on it, and is not faded.), I darkened the ear pink, lightened the tail, and brightened the highlights. River pelt Deputy of StormClan 23:18, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's still faded, I checked up close. :P  04:56, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

But there's no gray and it's not faded when I checked it. How should I fix it? River pelt Deputy of StormClan 11:42, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I could help if you want. 15:39, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

k, so should i thicken the lineart on the ear, would that help? River pelt Deputy of StormClan 18:34, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

No, someone would have to fix it for you. - 00:55, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Okay so who knows how to fix it? River pelt Deputy of StormClan 20:45, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I opened this up on Pilxr, and the ear didn't seem faded to me at all, it looks fine. Just darken the shading. -- 22:05, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I opened it up on pixlr and it is. I'm not sure if you would like it, but I fixed it. 03:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

I like it. thanks Frostheart and Dawny for the help! I'll get to it ASAP! River pelt Deputy of StormClan 18:43, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink just a tad more. Willow heart  1231  00:31, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

'''Reuploaded. '''Blurred ear pink more. Srry it took me a while to load, I started school yesterday. So it may take me a bit to reupload images. =P River pelt Deputy of StormClan 22:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. This is great overall. -- 23:14, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Thanks! I darkened the shading and blurred it as far as it could go. River pelt Deputy of StormClan 13:00, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - The lineart for the torn ear needs to be the same thickness as the rest of the lineart. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:33, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Thickened torn-ear lineart. River pelt Deputy of StormClan 15:23, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Riverpelt, the lineart is still faded. It needs to be pixelly. Hard pixels. Also, thicken the tail shading. 23:26, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't look faded to me, and I used hard pixels. River pelt Deputy of StormClan 20:19, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I see it too. Honestly, though, it's the only thing that I can see that's wrong with the image. 02:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Whiskers (SC) - For Approval
First black cat. Hopefully it doesn't suck.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  00:55, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Make the highlights bigger. 01:14, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

His eyes look really really bright. While you're making the highlights bigger, add one to the back and tail. And the face highlight seems really low down. 02:17, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the eyes, add more highlights on the tail. Echofall Fate is in your paws 02:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. Lighten the face highlight. Darken and blur the ear pink. Other than that, this is well done. 14:01, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  14:53, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

You still need to make the highlights a bit bigger on his flank. Make the ones on the tail more noticible. 14:56, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

This is weird...the new edits aren't showing up. You can see them on the two previous uploads before this one on the file history, but it's not showing up here.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  14:42, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Make the haunch highlight bigger, add a highlight to the tail, and lighten his muzzle just a bit. Willow heart  1231  00:23, September 3, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

I did all those things, and I reuploaded it, but the new version isn't showing up on the page.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  14:45, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Okay, I uploaded it as a new file entirely, so now it's working.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  14:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blurr the highlights on the tail and haunch. -- I c e    h e  a r  t♥  : 21:33, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blur Highlights. -- Mistfire Ready, Fence! No, don't spear the kitty! 16:44, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  23:35, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Dark Whiskers.sharpclaw 22:11, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

I had to name it Dark Whiskers.Sharpclaw2 because of the error I described above.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  01:47, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

But that's fixed now. Change the file name to Dark Whiskers.sharpclaw 21:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just changed it right now.--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  23:08, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights are really concentrated, they look like spots. Blur the highlights. --<span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command... 06:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

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Reuploaded. And the same problem's happening again...--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  04:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather (K) - For Approval
Eh, my apologies, his markings look much like the ones on his warrior/apprentice images. I can redo it, but for now, here he is. Comments? TheBlindApprentice 22:43, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather doesn't have an apprentice or a warrior image so I don't know what you are talking about. Darken the shading and blur it thoroughly, it is very blotchy right now. Add more tabby stripe and add ear-pink. 22:45, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry. This is over the limit, so this will have to be declined. Try again when theres avaliable space. -- 23:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, it's fine. I just declined Egg's image, so this is under the limit. 23:37, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

. Blur it, I agree with Frostheart that it does look blotchy. Also, add ear pink. Make the ear pink a lightish color. Willow heart  1231  23:51, September 2, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

I agree with Frostheart about adding more tabby stripes. And if you're going to add some on the legs and/or haunch, you should lighten those areas; the legs and haunch seem to be the same color as the stripes. 00:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Creeakfeather has apprentice and warrior images up for approval, this needs to match those stripes. Otherwise, blur the shading and highlights. 02:58, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather needs to be patched. 03:06, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I thought Creakfeather was a tabby? 13:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Er, I think there was a discussion a while ago, and Elorisa decided that Creekfeather should be patched. 13:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, my image is a tabby, it just looks patched. Elorisa -sama  19:44, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I don't think you can decide to change the character's appearance. It's just the stripe style Elorisa used, that's all. 21:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. :P But this looks tabby, not patched, so..xD Could you modify it to change the other images? 22:35, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

It supposed to be tabby...just blur the stripes. It can be fixed. 19:54, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Um.. you should probably add earpink XD --

I see ear-pink..o_o 14:35, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

REALLY? The ears are gray for me.... like just plain gray... weird. Does anybody else see it or am I crazy? =P -- 22:56, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

No ear pink here either 01:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I can see the ear pink fine. Darken the stripes on the forearms and tail-- 01:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Darkened stripes and added highlights. Sorry for the wait, I was kinda distracted. TheBlindApprentice 17:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This needs to look like his warrior image which has been approved. 00:58, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for creating such a hard image to copy xD. This looks wonderful, just blur the highlight on his chest. 11:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay NOW I can see the earpink LOL maybe make the patches more... patchy? Lol idk how to describe it, but it looks a little too regular. 00:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ummm...I still don't see an ear pink. at all. Make him darker and change his stripes, he doesn't look like the warrior/apprentice pictures. 04:04, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink is fine, Iceheart. 04:21, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't know, considering i can't SEE it. 04:34, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

That must be your computer Iceheart. I can see it very clearly. Blur the earpink a tiny bit. 19:58, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

no I dont see it either O.o<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  22:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oi, Sorry for all this fuss over the earpink. When I first uploaded it, I had forgotten to add some, but I reuploaded, I'll upload again, hopefully it works this time. TheBlindApprentice 23:00, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I can see it now, blurr the highlights on the chest. 23:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Leafstorm (D) - For Approval
Here she is. My first Charart in a while. Comments? 15:30, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading, darken the earpink, and darken the haunch shading. 16:04, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm having issues with this image. This is Hollytail's image, Not mine. I'm not sure what went wrong... 16:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

This is happening to me with Nettlesplash. Cherryfur123's image is showing up, not my own. :( 16:54, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Then your pressing Overwrite the Existing image with yours. Don't press that, you will have to re-name yours. 20:35, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, here's my image, I'll have to correct it later... 20:41, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink. 03:15, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the haunch shadow and make it a bit bigger, and blur the huanch highlight. 17:41, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire thing just a tiny bit. Also, blur the highlights. 01:51, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - Blur the earpink. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the ear pink as well. 23:29, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yellowfang (MCA) - For Aproval
My first Charart for PCA !!!! Comments? <font color="Yellow" style="background:Purple">Sunstar27 'Be true to your dreams... 16:15, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Don't put it in a thumbnail. Also, rename this Yellowfang.mca.png. 16:32, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Make it look like her medicine cat image ->Make her fur more like that, make the herbs yellow, add scars on her face. 16:34, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ill Re-Upload it tomorow! :D i wasnt sure wether she had scars or not, and i didnt know what colour the herbs were s'posed to be, so sorry. :) <font color="Yellow" style="background:Purple">Sunstar27 'Be true to your dreams... 17:02, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

'''why do the herbs have to be yellow?  Sunny  frost'''  19:54, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

The herbs don't have to be yellow, theres more then one type of herb, and its not like she would always be carrying around the same ones. Brighten the highlights and blur the shading. Also make the ear pink smaller. -- 20:40, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

They should be yellow for consitency, actually. 20:54, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it matters unless she's always holding the same herbs. The ear pink is too big, and darken the shading/add highlights for consistency. 21:32, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Oblivion. Also, add shading to the legs and blur it a lot. The ear-pink is too big and blur the highlights. 22:26, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the herbs make a big difference; like Mosspool said, she's not always holding the same herbs. But maybe add more highlights and make the fur look more like her medicine cat image. 23:41, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

oh ok. i was just wondering so sorry for doing it in bold and underline. shrink the ear pink and blur it. try to fix up some of the highlights on the tail, it looks like one side it dark gray and the other side it Yellowfang color. Sunny frost  00:37, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, the herbs don't have to e the same color. There are more than one type of herb. I would blur the shading, and add highlights (they are optional, but well worth it on a black/gray cat.) Darkhallows... Mew? 00:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

This looks light gray, make it darker. 17:56, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

The color looks fine. If it were light gray, it would look like this:

14:53, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't look light gray, but in comparison to her other images it's quite a bit too light. 03:30, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hi guys, sorry, ive re done it but its taking a g e s to upload so ill do it later,Ive changed the herbs, changed the earpink, darkend the shading and blurred them, blurred the highlights darkened her colour, but i dont know how to shade her tail, so ill have to get some help on that. sorry for taking ages, and thankyou for your comments! <font color="Yellow" style="background:Purple">Sunstar27 'Be true to your dreams... 16:30, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh scars! umm, should i add them or not?<font color="Yellow" style="background:Purple">Sunstar27 'Be true to your dreams... 16:30, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I believe we already discussed that you should add them. So, yes. 19:15, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

 *Re-Uploaded*  Comments?I dont like how it came out though. :/ <font color="Yellow" style="background:Purple">Sunstar27 'Be true to your dreams... 15:22, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

(S) - Blur, or use some other method of making them less distinct. Also, I don't think herb color is that important. I mean, we're focusing on the cat, not the yarrow, right? Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 20:46, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights, scars, and ear pink 20:50, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

The stripes need to be blurred and thickened a bit. Add shading to the herbs. Also, darken the shading and blur the highlights. 22:10, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Try to lighten the image a bit so it matches the medicine cat, and blur the SCARS not stripes (lol I <3 u Frostheart) Earth  bender Tawny Style! 21:11, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the scars, and mess up the fur more, like her Medicine Cat Picture. <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 23:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Please remember to put the date you reserved this on the reservations table. Darkhallows... Mew? 12:10, September 11, 2010 (UTC) 1193477C-A375-C968-069C-C1818BA7C5911.03.01

The highlights are too concentrated, spread them out more. 17:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It looks better now, but the highlights are too concentrated and you need to make them furry. I can help you with that, if you want. 19:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink and make it a bit smaller. <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  16:52, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Also, blur the shading, scars, and add shading to the herbs. 23:47, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire image, blur the scars and earpink, and make her more furry. 23:45, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Stonetooth (D) for approval
My first charart for the PCA!! Comments?

Good for you first charart! Try to blur the highlights and stripes. Tawny (Talk) 22:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

This looks silver, darken the highlights and make the whole cat darker, basically. There is blurred line-art near the tail, the legs, back, ear, and head. 22:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

rename it Stonetooth.deputy.png

Darken the highlights and blur the shading, make the ear pink smaller and darker. Add shading to the paws, base of the tail, and the head, and the ear not facing us. Overall, this is well done. 00:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

The stripes need to look more like he ones on his elder image: Here, they're thinner and don't stretch out as far. The tail stripes are also too thin, and he looks silver while in his elder picture Stonetooth is really more of a brownish-gray. 02:41, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Im not sure i can do all that on the original, should i just redo it? Iceflower 14:14, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

And how do you blur the stipes without blurring the line art? What pencil size should i use for the stripes? iceflower

Iceflower, look at the apprentice tutorials on the main PCA page. 15:23, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: 

It is now too dark. Make the ear-pink bigger and blur it. 17:24, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

should i use dodge tool or re-do it? ***Iceflower*** 17:38, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Probably the dodge tool, but if it still does not match, maybe you should redo it. 17:41, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 19:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: 

Lighten the pelt colour. Make the ear pink bigger and more triangular; its like a straight line right now. Also blur the shading a lot. -- 20:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Iceflower, overwrite the old image with the new one. You do not need to put a whole new image. 00:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also, lighten the image still. It looks quite blotchy, darken the shading and define and blur the ear-pink. 03:02, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Reploaded:

Blur the earpink a bit. And make the stripes reach down a BIT further. Tawny (Talk) 23:40, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Make sure the pupil is visible. Blur the ear pink, and back and haunch shading. 00:28, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

How do i make the pupil "visible"? it looks fine to me. i looked at other warriors images and copied the way they did the eye. ***Iceflower*** 16:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: 

I don't know if it made much difference, but i tried to make the stripes longer and blur the ear pink and shading. I'm still not sure what to do about the eye, Icestorm. By the way, how does an image get approved? It seems I have an endless amount of corrections to make! :P ***Iceflower*** 17:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I know this is not the right place to ask, but if anyone can show me how to amke siggys, that would be AWESOME! I have no idea how, and all you guys have cool siggys!! ***Iceflower***

There's a highlight line going down his body in the middle, I dunno if you did that on purpose, but you might want to blur that. 18:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Kay, thanks, i used bllur and burn tool. will reupload it soon. i just dont feel like it now. i know, LAZY! :P

Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

Reuploaded: Finally, i reuploaded. sorry for the long wait. it was a minor correction and i didnt feel the urgency........i had a busy day...... Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

The shading needs to be blurred, the entire thing's a bit dark and the stripes are too thick. 01:48, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

The stripes are too 'fat' xD This is still too dark. 02:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

What paintbrush size should i use for the stripes? or pencil size? also, this new upload may take a while.....i am quite busy........SORRY! :P Iceflower  ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

Iceflower, look at the apprentice tutorials. 14:30, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Frostheart, all the tutorials say to use different sizes. Size one is too small, and size three, which I used, you guys say is too fat!!! please help, just this one? Pretty please?? Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path..... 

The stripes size looks fine to me... 22:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Please add the date you resevered this on the reservations table. Darkhallows... Mew? 11:59, September 11, 2010 (UTC) 1193477C-A375-C968-069C-C1818BA7C5911.03.01

Thanks, Moonflight.

Darkhallows, I will, Thanks for telling me!!

Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

This is still too dark, also, the belly, back, and tail line-art is blurred. 20:09, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the haunch more. The image looks very good! <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  16:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think that the images are too thick anymore. Just too blurred. :P 20:38, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, since my school starts tomorrow, this might not be done for a few days! Sorry! If anybody has any objections, please put it on my talk page, as I check that more often than the PCA page! Sorry for any inconviniences! :P

Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

Lighten the whole image - it's too dark in comparison to his other images. 03:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I AM REALLY REALLY REALLY SORRY, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I PROMISE THIS CHARART WILL BE IN THIS WEEKEND. i had it done except for eye color yesterday, but my computer crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i was gonna finish TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iceflower ☮  May StarClan light your path.....  

Egg (Lo) - For Approval
-I'm really proud of this. =) I worked hard on it, and I really like the way how I did the shading. Comments? 23:52, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's really great. :D Make the ear-pink darker. 00:01, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading along his back. 00:05, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Thanks Frost! I blurred the shading and made the ear pink darker. 00:09, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the earpink a tiny bit more noticible? 00:24, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

What about the shredded ear? :3 01:39, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, add the shredded ear. :P I can see the ear-pink fine, but make it more triangular. 02:36, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: I added the shredded ear, took me lots of times. :P I also smudged the ear pink into a more triangular shape, and I darkened the ear pink a tad. 12:06, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on his ears. 20:34, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

The torn ear looks a bit tufted. Make the tear more noticeable and not stick out-- 01:17, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the head a bit. <font color="cornflowerblue" style="background:white">Rain breath  16:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Icy told me to tell you that she will be gone for a week and to not decline this Squirrel  Do You know... THE MUFFIN MAN!?!?!?!undefined 20:01, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Well, for when she gets back, the shading on the ears is way too dark, lighten it. 23:32, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

It might be better if you got some transparency...I think the ear should be shredded a bit more, it's barely noticable, but otherwise nice!

<font color="Red" font face="Papyrus" font style="background:yellow; border:3px dashed-moz-border-radius: 1em; orange;"> Z orth <font color=#4ea9ba>El Awsome Line 23:41, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Swallowflight (W) - For Approval
- Nightshine put CBA on Sol's alt image, so this should be okay! This is my first black cat and charart for PCA. Constructments? -- Sun X Moss Best Friends Forever! 06:28, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Add ear-pink, darken the shading a bit. Blur the highlights, they look a bit blotchy to me. 14:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

CBA or not the image is still on the page. Sorry but this is over the limit. 19:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, Sol is archived, so this should be okay... Earth bender Tawny Style! 21:09, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Many images have been archived, so this should be fine. 22:55, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Add an earpink, and if you want highlights make them a little bigger and add some to the tail. Dappleclaw Tigerstar's best buddeh!! 17:28, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, this looks really nice, but I think his eye colour is different on his other image. And yes, add ear pink, I suggest using the ear pink colour on Hollyleaf's image because it looks great on black cats. Also, darken the entire thing a bit. 19:35, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Thanks Mosspool! I'm such an idiot for forgetting the ear pink. Comments? Sun X Moss Best Friends Forever! 22:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wow I think it's georgus. --<font color="Navy" style="background:Magenta">Spottedwing 01:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and highlights. 16:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Blur the midriff shading, too. 23:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Rowanfur (W)-For Approval
It's not very often I use this shading style and now I know why. Comments? 23:05, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Add some more stripes near the face. :) 23:07, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

He has the same number of stripes on his face as his kittypet image does. 23:12, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the tail stripes a bit. Blur the ear pink a bit more-- 23:13, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Shred the ear a bit more, it looks more shredded (?) in his kittypet picture. And sorry, didn't see the stripes near the eye. 23:15, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the stripes on the legs a bit more. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 02:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink looks overblurred if I blur it anymore. I'm against darkening the stripes because 1. they're the exact same color as the ones on his kittypet image and 2. they're not going to get darker just because light is shinging on them. The ears look the same to me. Does it look different to anyone else? 12:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes they DO look different. On the kittypet pic it's like this: /W\ While on here it looks like /V\. On the ear closer to us anyway. 22:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, The ear looks fine Flowerleaf. Blur the shading a little more. <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...22:45, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Both ears and the shading loo fine to me. If you feel the need to change it, go ahead. I think it looks fine the way it is. 15:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine, but I think the ears are different. On the kittypet image, it looks like each ear has two nicks in it, but on this image it looks like one ear has one nick in it and one ear has three or four nicks in it. Just fix the ears and I think this will be good; the shading's blurred just the same amount as it is on the kittypet image, and it looks good as it is now. 19:41, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The ear-pink looks almost brown. Lighten it. 20:56, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

No, the ear pink is fine. What's bothering me is the torn ears. 01:19, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

You have to realize that the ears on the warrior blank are smaller and harder to work with. Ice: there are more than two nicks in the more shreeded ear in the kittypet image. 10:46, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think this looks fine. This is probably as close to the kittypet image ears as it'll get. 20:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit. 23:48, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it needs to be blurred anymore. Any other comments about shading. 19:33, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Rainwhisker (Alt A)-For Approval


Rainwhisker as he appeared in 'A Clan In Need' 23:16, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Someone get it out of this box! XD 23:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it. :P 23:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the spots and make the earpink darker (a little) and bigger. 00:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC) 10:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Making the earpink bigger wouldmake it too big, Iceheart. But yes, make it darker. Blur the spots. 01:17, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Made ear pink darker and tried to blur spots without over blurring. Didn't work XD. 01:28, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I remember it being said we didn't do alterntae images for when a cat was just shown in a picture a certain way because the artist guy always screws stuff up? 01:46, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Really? I'm new here, remember that. 01:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wait a minute- what about Ice and Snake? They have alt images. 01:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the patches on his tail. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 02:06, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Better? 02:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should have this image here, we can only guess what color his fur and patches are. <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...06:22, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

You know, I was looking around for an image to do and saw on Rainwhisker's page in the Trivia section 'Rainwhisker is shown as a gray and white tom in A Clan in Need' 11:49, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It could be a gray tom with a white belly, if you know what I'm saying. ;) Also, in the trivia section, it does not have a source, so it could be false or something. :P 15:23, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Just went to Books a Million and checked A Clan In Need and it's true- he's a grey and white tom 16:14, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I see gray splotches around the image. Remove them. 20:41, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Something's wrong with Gimp- I can't do ANYTHING! It's stuck on blur when I was making another version more accurate to the manga and poof- It got stuck! 21:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sigh- I'm sad to do this but I'll withdraw this b/c of stupid Gimp. Someone can take over for me if they want.... 01:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

You may just need to restart your computer. GIMP freezes on me all the time. It works just fine after I restart it. 01:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! 14:02, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I put up another version more accurate to the manga up to consider. I don't know which one to use :P 15:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think the first one looks better, but that's just my opinion. 15:39, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but the second one's more accurate to the manga. 15:42, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Either way, make the ear-pink darker and a little bit bigger. It isn't very noticiable. 20:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Better? 21:35, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Which image are you working on? Blur the shading on the second one. 19:48, September 15, 2010 (UTC)'

1st one's pretty while the second one's accurate to the manga :P I'm asking users which one they prefer and stuff. I blurred the shading as much as I could 22:02, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I prefer the first one, but blur the earpink on the second one 02:21, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Blurred earpink. I think I'll have to do the pretty one from the looks of it. 10:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Just realized that he 1st one's ear looked weird so I fixed it XD 00:05, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy (Alt. Queen) - For Approval
Comments? Elorisa -sama  23:25, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink more noticeable and the shading more noticeable too. 23:40, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink is really light, darken it and blur the shading, otherwise, this is beautiful :) <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...03:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Thanks Sunny. Better? 12:22, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I still can't see the ear-pink. 15:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It looks sort of gray. 20:52, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Must be some pale gray. xD I see it fine, though the shading is a bit blotchy. 20:54, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The colour is fine, but I agree, the shading is kinda blotchy, so blur it ^^ 02:26, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ice (Alt R)-For Approval
heres Ice as he is in "A clan In Need". Comments? <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 23:29, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Iceheart already has this up for approval. 23:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Before you post something, check to make sure the information you are putting is absolutely correct. I do believe Iceheart had Snake up for approval, who is Ice's brother. Moreover, I've just approved Snake. -- 23:42, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

This looks great! Darken the shading a bit and blur the ear pink-- 23:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry Bramble. I thought Iceheart had Ice up. Blur the ear-pink. 23:51, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, i did Snake. Make the first stripe darker or blurr the second (i had the same problem). Maybe make the nose grey, because it's on the black fur. 00:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the back and belly shading. 16:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Uploader's not working for me. :( <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 03:26, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the earpink a little less hot pinky. 18:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, less hot-pink. Also, make it bigger. 20:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

When I do that it looks like a black stripe with gray sides. this is as dark as I can allow it to be with out looking crazy. Sorry.<span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 22:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

It is not hot-pink. But I agree, make the ear-pink bigger. 20:34, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded fixed most but like I said The uploader wasn't working. <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 00:37, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

This looks lovely :) But the collar spikes are weird. Also, darken the black patches. 23:13, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The first black patch now is wierd, sorry. <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 00:34, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. In fact, everything except the tail-shading looks wonderful. Blur the shading on the tail a bit, though. 02:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about now? is it good enough? <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 02:42, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ehh, I still think you should make the black darker. 03:44, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

When I do that it looks like a black stripe with gray sides. this is as dark as I can allow it to be with out looking crazy. Sorry.<span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <sub style="line-height: 1em; "><span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 22:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks great. Don't darken the stripe any more, and yes, Fiercestar, the tail looks good. 01:40, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Nutmeg (Q) - For Approval
I thought her rogue charart was really beautiful, so here's the queen version! Comments?-- 23:46, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Smudge the transitions some more and blur the highlights. 23:51, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I smudged the black paw and tail tip. I didn't add any highlights-- 00:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oops. I meant the ear-pink. :3 00:07, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I blurred the ear pink a bit more-- 00:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This is so beautiful! Make the ear pink bigger though. <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...04:13, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded made ear pink bigger-- 04:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I love this! The white seems a little grey, though. Darkhallows... Mew? 11:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's just the shading, it looks slightly gray on her rogue image as well: -- 17:31, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Can you lighten the shading a tiny bit on the white parts. It looks a bit too gray. 18:00, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded lightened white shading some-- 18:18, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Some of the patches don't go with her rogue image. It's a very well-done image, though. 20:19, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Which patches should I change?-- 23:27, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The orange on her haunch (by her tail) is orange with a black piece but on her other image, the black is atthe top of there and then it's white. Also, by her shoulder where there's orange there's a black piece, but that's not there on her rogue image. I think that's it. Also, lighten the shading more. It's still too gray. 01:46, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Also, on her rogue image there's black on her tail. 07:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC) 1193477C-A375-C968-069C-C1818BA7C5911.03.01

Re-Uploaded changed the patches-- 16:57, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the front leg shading and it should be ready. 19:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded blurred forearm shading-- 19:12, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the ear-pink and make it more noticiable. 20:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded lightened ear pink-- 21:54, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The patches haven't changed. . . ? 22:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I changed the one on the haunch-- 22:16, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

So you did. Put on her rogue image, those two haunch patches should be smaller. Also, you still need to change the other patches. . . 23:12, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Which patches do I need to change? I don't see anything wrong with them, they don't need to be completely exact.-- 23:18, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

it's on the same side, so they should look the same. Above, I already described to you what needs to be changed. 23:53, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, aslo, darken the ear pink to match her other image, and lighten the shading very slightly. 23:54, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I was told to lighten the shading, it was the same as her rogue image before. I think the shading is fine. Can you actually describe to me which patches you want changed? I think they look fine- 00:08, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

For the patches, the hind leg (closer to us) has only white on the haunch for the rouge image. And the tail for the rouge has a bit of black/dark gray as well. Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 00:20, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

The majority of the haunch is white, so when she is standing it looks more white, and on the tail it is just the shading-- 02:53, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm 100% sure that's black, not shading. I think I said something else, too. 03:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is black on the tail. -- H A W K T A L O N        ö 19:12, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded added black to tail-- 00:10, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think that little black patch on her shoulder should be there. 03:28, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded I got rid of it-- 03:35, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Looks wonderful. Perhaps blur the stomach shading a LEETLE bit. Otherwise, perfect =) 02:31, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded blurred belly shading-- 02:54, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Pebbleheart (W) - For Approval
I hope this looks alright! My fourth charart! :) Comment for approval? ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 01:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur shading a bit, center the earpink and desaturate it. 01:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken and darken the shading. 01:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and Corrected. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 01:51, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make the highlights bigger and blur them. =) 20:40, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and Corrected! :) ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 20:58, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink a little lighter. 22:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and corrected! :) ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 22:07, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think the stripes look sorta unatural, but maybe thats just me. <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...22:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and corrected! :) ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 23:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, it does look a bit un-natural. Maybe you should try another style of tabby? But again. might just me. 15:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

yes also there is a pixel on his chest that is not colored in <font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  18:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I was just trying to get the stripes to match up with the design on his medicine cat charart. But if you all think they need to be redone, I'll give it a go. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 19:17, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

<-- His Medicine Cat Charart

Well, I re-did the tabby pattern... What do you think? Comments? ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 19:37, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I like how his stripes are now, make the ear pink a bit smaller. 19:50, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ends of the stripes sharper. 19:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink as well. 20:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and corrected! :) ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 20:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC).

Lighten it to match the first color image. Sorry. :P That one is the same color as Pebbleheart's other image. 20:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the ear-pink bigger. :) 20:47, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and Corrected, except for the ear pink. I think it's big enough... ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 22:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 23:52, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded and corrected. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 01:39, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten him a bit, so he matches his warrior image. 05:26, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 02:36, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's beautiful, but define the stripes a bit more =) 02:33, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Heathertail (alt. W)- For Approval
Heathertail. Need to fix the shading but not willing to let someone else get this spot. I'm going to fix it now. 00:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit. Otherwise, this is great, Iceheart. :) 00:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darkened/messedw ith the shading. How many approved image do you need to be a warrior? This is gonna be my third so i'm hoping 3.-- 01:24, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Three, Iceheart. :) Thicken the shading on the belly. 01:40, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the entire thing, because on this she looks pale gray. Also, don't you think you should use the same eye colour that's on her other images? 01:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Very nice! But, I'd add shading on the back of the left front leg. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 01:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- did as i was told. 02:13, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lovely job! Blur the shading on her flank. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 03:10, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

All you people are so nice. You all say how nice it is before you critasize(sorry i can't spell) it and it just makes me feeel good about myself XD. Anyways, i blurred and blurred and blurred until it could blur no more.-- 03:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It looks like she has dark gray paws, lighten the paws and the tail tip! This is lovely! :3 <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...03:58, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yikes! I think she might have actually been an apprentice when they described her this way (I was the one who put the source on her alternate appearance) I believe it was just before she became a warrior, but I could be wrong. If I'm right, then you could just keep this up and quickly make the new image, and put Heatherpaw for approval instead of Heathertail, right? Can someone check for me? I don't have an available copy of Long Shadows right now. 05:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's probably a warrior if it is that late in the book, I re-read it recently. 05:13, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-upload-I checked before i started (I plan aheadXD) she was a warrior when she was called grey. 05:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The paws are still dark gray :P <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...06:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ya i just realized that, i thought it was because something was wrong with the uploader again, but nope it was just me. 06:12, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This is really pretty :3 Thicken the shading on the neck though. <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...06:23, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I hope you become a warrior, Iceheart. ;) Anyways, blur the ear-pink a bit more. 15:17, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- Thanks Sunny and Frostheart!!!! What next? 17:43, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the belly shading, still. 20:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- Thickened the shading, but if i do it anymore it just looks....bad. Comments? 20:28, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the midriff shading. 20:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Your comments have been noted. But the uploader's being flustrating, and not working, so I'm going to go to complaint to Wildheart instead of upload it a gazillion times. 22:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It's been Re-uploaded!! What's everyone's thoughts and concerns now? 18:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It looks pretty good. Maybe, thicken the shading on the belly and make the ear-pink less... purple? XD 20:16, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It's not purple to me, just a pinkish red. I enjoy that color. xD 20:31, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, i'd rather not change the colour of the ear because it matches the chart, and then some people will say change it again and it will become one vicious circle, and as for the belly shading, what part of the belly? the part between the legs or the chest/belly part? If it's the chest/belly, like i said before, if i thicken it anymore it looks stupid. And i'm sorry whitestorm because i just kinda turned down both your comments XD. 20:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ehh. I've never trusted that chart >:P But I think the ear pink looks fine. Blur the highlights. 22:10, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded- Whats next? 23:37, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the very back of the haunch and its looking good, Special K ;) 01:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded- Comments???? 01:37, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

This is really tiny, but there's this little zigzag just where the tail begins to curve. Smooth it out a bit. 02:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the tail and figured out a new way to shade the tail, so thanks XD. 02:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

You need to blur the highlights some more. 23:34, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I understand what you mean. 23:35, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ta da! What do y'all think now? 03:15, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

After this, you'll be thinking: Grawr! I want. . . to. . . kill her! Once I say, blur the highlights more. 03:26, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel to grawr, but the the think is i didn't put highlights on her. :/ 04:29, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Huh. Well I've said that three times. .. blur the shading, then. 03:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Ya, when you said blurr the highlights, i just assumed blurr the shading and stuff so i just didn't say anything. bat anyways i blurred and blurred until it wouldn't blurr no more. What next? 22:49, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Oh no, it looked great as it was :\ The highlights on the head are too concentrated now ;( 05:55, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Petalnose (W) - For Approval
Well, my first charart. Bad, but who cares!!!! Comments??? <span style="color:Maroon;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:Silver;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Maroon;">Alpha  Power to the Pack!  01:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The eye has a purple tint 01:58, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Add and darken the shading along her back and add some shadows between her ears on her forehead. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 01:59, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This is great for a first charart! Darken the shading along her back. <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:aqua">Zoe27 <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:violet">Gossip Queen!!! 17:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the shading around the whole thing, and possiblr lighten the tail a little. 22:40, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller. -- 22:44, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken and thicken the shading a lot. Make the ear pink smaller. 23:09, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Frecklewish (MCA) - For Approval
....Comments? 02:51, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make her stripes a bit thinner. 02:55, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, this doesn't look that much like her other image. Lighten it, add some specks to it, make the stripes thinner and add more-- 02:58, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Did my best =) 03:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make it a bit more golden. Add more stripes down her back. Darken the ear pink. Make the arm stripes longer. -- 03:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe add a smaller speckle above the one on her cheek? Define the patch on her flank. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 03:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Completely redid the stripes/markings, and darkened ear pink. 03:26, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Add some specks on her chest. Darken the shading-- 04:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

On her other images she has more mottles and the stripes are rounder. 05:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten her some more. 20:50, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 18:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Why is that one spot next to her eye so big? On her other versions she doesn't have a spot as big as that 19:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * -sigh- Re-uploaded and changed it. 19:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the reason this image is darker than Frecklewish's other two images is because not only are some of the mottled spots made like the tabby stripes are, but there are also mottled spots made by using the dodge tool for some lighter spots (I think). On this image there are only darker spots, but on the other images there are lighter spots as well, so add some lighter spots to this image. Also, did you add the highlights before you made the stripes or afterwards? I think that on the others the highlights were afterwards and made the image lighter. One more thing: I know that you got rid of the really big spot by the eye, but a decent sized spot should still go on the neck to match the other apprentice image, and because the neck looks really empty. Sorry for the really big and complicated paragraph, but hopefully it'll help. :) 19:54, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added the highlighs afterwards. I'll make the stripes more like the other images by changing the opacity of the stripes; hopefully that'll help, then I'll do all that other stuff you said xD 19:56, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the ear pink darker? :) 20:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Or, more pink, perhaps? 20:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I added some lighter spots, and made the stripes lighter. 20:45, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Looks better to me. 23:33, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The earpink seems a bit brown to me. 00:45, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Made earpink pinker. 19:32, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It looks kind of like a cream color to me. 01:09, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the opposite haunch. It stands out a bit. Other than that... looking good! 02:36, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 20:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Waspwhisker (KP)- For Approval
My first kittypet, I really enjoyed doing Waspwhisker as a warrior, so I decided to do the kittypet version! Constructments? --<span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...03:49, September 11, 2010

Blur the white. 03:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. and define the ear pink. This is great! 03:56, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Blurred white, darkened shading and defined ear pink. Thank you Dawny :) <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...04:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This looks lovely, but the white markings look pale yellow. 05:04, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mosspool :3 The white color is the same as his warrior image though! :) <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you<span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">command...06:01, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. It does look like a pale yellow. Blur the ear-pink. 15:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * pale yellow? Clearly my eyesight is going. The colour looks okay to me. 17:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it does have a yellowish tint but it looks the same as his warrior image and is fine. Blur the transition on the paws a bit more. 18:13, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Make the belly shading extend farther into the belly, instead of being just a blob of shading. Also, blur the back shading near the tail. 20:38, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

There is a tiny bit of blurred-line-art on the front leg, though I bet no one would've noticed that..except for me. xD 20:40, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Blurred shading on the tail, made belly shading larger, fixed line-art (Thanks Frostheart XD). I like how he turned out. :) <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...22:12, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading on his back. 22:29, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Done <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...22:40, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blurr the shading a ton Dappleclaw Tigerstar's best buddeh!! 01:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Done! <span style="color:black; background:lightgreen; border:3px dashed violet; -moz-border-radius: 1em;color:violet">Sunny <span style="color:Goldenrod;background:lightblue;border:2px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 2em; color:violet;">Yes O Great One, I shall do as you command...03:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I, think you forgot to make his bell colored. <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:Black;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:gray;">Fiercestar <span style="color:goldenrod;font-family:Segoe Script;background:gray;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:goldenrod;">Leader of RiverClan 03:28, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Well Spotted Fiercestar! Thanks! 04:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink brighter. 20:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the color of the ear pink is fine, but define it some. 20:24, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

On my computer, I can barely see it. 20:32, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Whitestorm, but the earpink is the exact same color as the warrior image. 07:00, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, maybe it can be tweaked later on. 21:04, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Add some white to the belly area. 04:02, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the belly needs any white, but blur the shading on the bottom of the haunch. I've always liked the kittypet pics =) 02:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded: Wildheart- Do you mean that you like my image or the kittypet blanks? ;P 05:53, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sagepaw (A)- For Approval
Sagepaw as an apprentice. Comments? <font color="Aqua" style="background:Thistle">Dappledsnow <font color="Cyan" style="background:Blue">The new <font color="Silver" style="background:Cyan"> generation. 12:12, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur/darken the shading Darkhallows... Mew? 12:39, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

err...my Friend MAPLEPOOL has this charSpotteddapple 13:25, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

No..she has Birchfall alternate kit. Well, she has that uploaded. 14:23, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

It won't let me upload the new version. <font color="Aqua" style="background:Thistle">Dappledsnow <font color="Cyan" style="background:Blue">The new <font color="Silver" style="background:Cyan"> generation. 16:22, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Still won't upload the new version. <font color="Aqua" style="background:Thistle">Dappledsnow <font color="Cyan" style="background:Blue">The new <font color="Silver" style="background:Cyan"> generation. 17:43, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make his image lighter, like his warrior version ->He is pale gray, after all :D 19:23, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear pink more noticiable and blur the shadings. Also, the highlight on his haunch looks blotchy. 20:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink bigger and lighten the image. 20:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Finally got the new version. <font color="Aqua" style="background:Thistle">Dappledsnow <font color="Cyan" style="background:Blue">The new <font color="Silver" style="background:Cyan"> generation. 23:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the earpink 04:22, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Brighten/blur the highlights. 23:35, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded Fixed earpink and highlights. Anything else? <font color="Aqua" style="background:Thistle">Dappledsnow <font color="Cyan" style="background:Blue">The new <font color="Silver" style="background:Cyan"> generation. 22:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, maybe darken was the wrong word. I meant brighten it. It kinda blends in. 01:42, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Match the ear pink from the warrior image, and then blur or sharpen from there. Willow heart  1231  01:53, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Pikepaw (A)-For approval
I am not sure if it is showing mine? Mine is shorthaired, but doesn't seem to be uploading over the previous version. Darkhallows... Mew? 12:42, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

O.O. What happened to it! 12:53, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Yours is showing up in the thumbnail of all of the past versions, but here it's showing a stretched version of the other person's image. This happened to me a couple of times with my own images uploading strangely, and I just waited a while and then uploaded again, so maybe try uploading again? 13:25, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

There it is ^^- Darkhallows... Mew? 11:51, September 12, 2010 (UTC) 1193477C-A375-C968-069C-C1818BA7C5911.03.01

Darken the shading. 16:25, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights. 23:07, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The eye color looks a little unnatural, but that just might be me 01:07, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Make the earpink smaller, and you're right, Kittypet, it does look kinda unnatural. 02:41, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Crookedstar (Alt A)-For approval
Gah finnaly anyways fith char-art im happy how he turned out :) comments?<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  14:23, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

This is really good darken the pink ear a bit Maplepool 15:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and make his jaw crooked as on his apprentice image. 16:16, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I can see you based the eye on the warrior's eye. Use an apprentice tutorial to see what the eye should look like. You don't have to of course, but I think it looks a wee bit strange. 17:30, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darken ear pink, and blur stripes. I don't think his jaw was crooked as an apprentice. <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:aqua">Zoe27 <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:violet">Gossip Queen!!! 17:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Give him a twisted jaw. Very nice though! ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 18:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the tabby markings. 19:57, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED I did all that and i forgot about the crooked jaw XD so I put it in :)<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  22:01, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

wha? its not showing my changes...<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  22:03, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Give it time. It'll show. If not, reupload it. 03:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED its working :D anyways more suggenstions?<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  15:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The stripes still need to be blurred and make the ear-pink smaller. 15:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

His jaw needs to be bigger. Look at his apprentice/warrior images. 19:25, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink as well. 19:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the stripes ''just a tiny bit. ''Also, the ear pink is a bit too big and very bright. This looks great, though :) 05:29, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The ear pink isn't too bright, but I would focus on blurring the tabby stripes on the tail. 22:05, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Shall I re-word that, then? The ear pink needs to be redder. 00:23, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

RE-UPLOADED GRRRR to much hooooooommmmmmeeeewwoooorrrrkkk! anyways how bout' now ?<font color="Violet">Mossleap <font color="Orange">You burnt my ice cream!!!  21:38, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Define the ear pink a bit. Otherwise, this looks really good! And I understand the homework thing completely; try that with marching band, too. :P 02:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Blossomfall (Ki) (Alt) - For Approval
Sorry for my slight inactivity, marching band has gotten the better of me. I wasn't sure what the preferred way was to leave a new message without having it at the bottom of the page, so I just made one manually, but if I should do it differently let me know. Well, here's Blossomfall's alternate kit image. I had some troubles uploading it but now the changes are showing, so comments and suggestions? 15:20, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think this is over the limit. With Birchfall's image up, though it is in the wrong section. 15:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Birchfall's image may have been up first but Ice got her's up in the right section first. The point of the sections is to know how many images are up for approval. Images put up in the wrong section shouldn't count. Blur the shading and highlights. 16:13, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thanks Ashshadow. :P I was confused about that. Define the stripe a tiny bit. 16:25, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you got to defining the stripe before I could say reuploaded for blurring the shading and highlights. I'll get to the stripe in a bit. 16:32, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm having difficulties defining the stripe because of the way there's shading and part of a highlight on it. Suggestions? 17:07, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the highlights. 19:58, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I do not know, Icethroat. What I would do, is I would just redraw the stripe, and blur it, then add highlights and the shading, and try to make it as equal as i can. :3 20:22, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm, I've already blurred the highlights, or do you mean blur he highlights some more after my reuploading. Frostheart, I tried that and it didn't look good at all, and the stripe looked too big. Personally I think the stripe is already defined enough, and when I define it is has to be blurred again and the cycle repeats itself infinitely; does anyone else think I should definie the stripe? 20:46, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire thing, she looks brown, not pale brown. Also, blur the highlights. Other than that, she looks great! 20:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

If you want it to look paler, consider desaturating it. 22:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I meant to blur the highlights some more. 23:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say the stripe dosen't need any more blurring or defining, you just might want to sharpen the end of the stripe. But that is just a suggestion. Dappleclaw P-p-p-poker face 03:10, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I meant the highlight on the stomach. 20:15, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Sorry it took a few days, I've been busy (as it seems I always am these days). I think this is just the right color for being pale, and I think that I've finally got the highlight blurred just the right amount (it was an awkward shape, I had to fix its shipe by adding more and then darkening all of them). Comments? 21:18, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

No, this is brown, not pale brown (srry if i sound like a nitpicker) 23:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

In my opinion the brown is fine the way it is. Dappleclaw Danger! Mousefur bites! 01:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't look pale, though. Pale brown would be like Fallowfern's image. 03:46, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Dawnstripe (Q) ~ For Approval


I tried my best to copy the stripe style, comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 22:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 22:03, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I darkend the shading, let me know it I overdid it or if it needs more, comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 22:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

No, it looks fine. Blur it now, and make the earpink darker. 22:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I blurred the shading more and added highlights (let me know if you can't see them) Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 22:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Oops! I forgot to upload the pic first! Well then the stuff I said before, now. Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 22:41, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I can see them. Blur them a tad :3 22:41, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I blurred the highlights, comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 22:48, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

The highlights on the tail and haunch could still be blurred. Also, the ear-pink could be darker. 23:12, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Better? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 23:16, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

She looks very yellow in this picture. Make her paler. 23:36, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I desaturated, let me know how it worked out, comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 23:48, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Her eyes are a bit bright. It looks good now :) 23:50, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I didn't want to change the eyes too much cause that's the color on the warrior image to I darkened it a bit, comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 00:03, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Make the stripes a little paler, like on her warrior image. Willow heart  1231  00:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

They are the exact same color plus I don't see any difference (and how would I make them paler? Redo them with a differant color?) Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 01:14, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh. . . they seem lighten in her warrior image. Anyways, add shading to the neck area (see Goldenflower's image for help) and blur the face shading. 01:29, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

It might be because where I took the color from her stripes, or because her highligts are in differant spots (I'm getting on the neck shading) Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 01:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Comments? Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 01:47, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

this is good but i cant see the stripes very well Maplepool 02:04, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Their supposed to be barely visible, and pale. Dappleclaw Can you read my poker face ... 02:24, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I know they're supposed to be barely visible, but maybe define them a tad more? They're very hard to see. 20:05, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Better? Let me know if more is needed. Dappleclaw P-p-p-poker face 21:21, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you should make them more visible. 03:23, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - Better? Dappleclaw P-p-p-poker face 21:59, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yep! Looking very good. But the eyes are kinda bright, so maybe make them (instead of all the same colour) kinda shaded? Idk how to describe it, but if you look at the eye chart....



It kinda explains itself XD 02:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I did that for Dawnstripe's eyes, but I can make them darker if you want. Dappleclaw Danger! Mousefur bites! 03:23, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I couldn't tell. lol so maybe, yeah. But the rest of the picture WHEW! I am blown away. Kinda jealous, actually haha 01:24, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! That means a lot to me! (btw do you still want me to darken the eyes?) Dappleclaw Danger! Mousefur bites! 01:43, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Snooky (A) - For Approval
Black and white cats are so hard to shade>.< Constructments?-- H A W K T A L O N        ö 19:20, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

(M) - Beautiful! The lag away from us seems to be a solid grey though, and dodge the white patches on his tail so they look more white instead of grey. Mosswhisker &amp; Stealthfire Want to chat? 19:53, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

This is great! You might want to darken the ear-pink, though. 20:00, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the ear shading and it is the same color as his kittypet image. 22:03, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Make the earpink more triangular Dappleclaw P-p-p-poker face 22:04, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sharpen the patches. 03:22, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Owlstar (A) - For Approval
Eh...Comments? 23:49, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thicken the shading and blur and brighten the highlights. 01:23, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Sometimes, I feel like the world would be better without shading :/ Keep the critique coming, please! 01:37, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. There's too much shading on the back, not enoguh on the chest/legs/muzzle area. And the head shading is very. . . straight. (if that makes sense XD) 03:19, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Better? 04:05, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Add highlights to the flank, shoulder, and face. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 21:06, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Highlights aren't necessary, but either darken the shading or add highlights. 21:21, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Blur the shading. -- 01:46, September 17, 2010 (UTC)




 * Reuploaded - Added Highlights. 04:05, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Make the highlights a little bigger. Willow heart  1231  01:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Reuploaded - Is this okay? 03:59, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Is he supposed to have a splotch on his leg? 14:16, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Rabbitleap (A) - For Approval
It's very blah to me. What do you guys think? 01:22, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink more triangular. 01:27, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Centre the haunch highlight, and blur the highlights. 03:21, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with blurring the highlights, but the haunch highlight is fine where it is. 21:00, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Pouncetail (Alt. A) - For Approval
This was all that I could find for him being listed as and Alt. as a She-cat. Comments? 11:01, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I just realized there was a dark patch of burn on the upper shoulder. Opps fixed it. XD 11:16, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

His alternate apprentice should be a brown tabby she-cat, not ginger and white. See his trivia section. 18:56, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Okay i'll get to work on it sorry about that. (: 10:59, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Okay thats better. Comments? 21:27, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the earpink, stripes, and add more stripes. 21:56, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Blur and add more stripes. Make the stripes on his tail more noticeable. 02:26, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Reloaded- Comments? 11:07, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Brokenstar (Ki) - For Approval
Would Pouncetail above be declined because the artist did the wrong coloring? I'm not quite sure... but anyways, here is my second charart! I had some problems on the stripes. Comments will be welcome!! -- Willow heart  1231  21:44, September 15, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart

Ehh, they might be able to keep it up and just change the colours, or tehy might have to take it down. Not so sure :/ 22:09, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, Snooky (W) is withdrawn so this fine either way. 03:24, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

So... any comments anyone? Willow heart  1231  03:44, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Try darkening the shading a tad. Other than that, flawless. 04:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

There is gray areas outside of the lineart on his tail and cheeks. 20:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Better? Willow heart  1231  21:28, September 16, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Blur the stripes a bit. -- 01:45, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

His tail looks connected to his back (The end of the tail.) Otherwise, this is lovely :3

Tawnypelt (Alt. Ki)-For Approval
Since Skipper's rogue pic is withdrawn, I'm entering another one. -- Mistfire Ready, Fence! No, don't spear the kitty! 18:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Add nose color and darken the entire image a tad. 19:13, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

This seems yellow to me, she is supposed to be pale ginger. 142.161.238.236 21:20, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

She looks very yellow. . . make her more gingery. And thicken and blur the shading. 21:53, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink. -- 01:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

The links! Where are the links?
What happened to the links on the main page that listed the characters that needed art?--<font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Shaf <font color="Navy" style="background:Silver">Girl  11:30, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

To say so, I don't know. I just go to Nightfall's page and click on her charart section. :P 16:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the link to Nightfall's. 18:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, that link does not have all up to date information... 22:28, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

That is true. 23:17, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'll try putting together a new list of them, as I have some free time before school starts. 22:22, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Rainwhisker! I'm a new person, and i am trying to join the charart society. the problem is- there arent many chararts left to be done! so when i saw nightfalls page i was excited- until i found out it was not up to date! if you can make a new page of chararts that need to be done- please post the link here as i would greatly appreciate it!!! Iceflower13 23:17, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

This is what I've got so far: Needed Charart List. It's not much, but if I'm missing any characters, you can leave a message on my talk page. I'll try and update it often. 23:22, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rainwhisker, I believe Rabbitleap already has a kit charart. 18:17, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

thats the only charrie he has :-P Sunny  frost  21:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! I've fixed it. 23:02, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and also, should Egg as a loner be on the list since the one on this page got declined? 01:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

heres some that are needed that aren't on Rainwhisker's page:

Leafstorm, Pikepaw, Dark Whiskers, Pouncetail (Alt. Apprentice), Brokenstar (Ki), Pebbleheart (W), Tawnypelt (Alt. Kit), and Whitethroat (Rogue) Sunny  frost  13:49, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sunnyfrost, there isn't really a need to post those up. Most of these images you have stated are up for approval (or reserved) 03:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure Sunnyfrost was only trying to be helpful. But all of them are either on this page or reserved (though Pebbleheart, Pouncetail and Pikepaw have been on the reserved list for more than a month). 11:57, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Should I clean out the reservations table? I was always a little iffy about doing that, but it looks like it needs to be done. Darkhallows... Mew? 16:10, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

That would be just awesome, Shady. Please do. =) 23:30, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, just finished, I hope there wasn't any problems. There were a few things that needed to be done (Sunnyfrost was banned, one user was on twice) but I don't knoow how to delete sections. Darkhallows... Mew? 12:18, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Right-click on the section, and delete it. Is that right? 17:20, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Shady, assuming you mean the Current Projects, just delete the lines of code for that user. 17:32, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it, if that's okay. And my list was deleted, so I can't post any more characters there. Sorry! 01:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Guess WHo's Coming Back!
Hey guys, I left for a reason: to work on my characters! I was thinking today that would come back. I want to do Graystripe's alt apprentice image. :3 Squirrel  Do You know... THE MUFFIN MAN!?!?!?!undefined 07:19, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

He doesn't need one...does he? 19:31, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, he was once described as solid gray, but I think that was just because they said "the gray apprentice..." or something along those lines. I mean, they're not going to describe him as gray with a darker gray stripe running down his back every time, are they? I don't think he needs one, and I also think it should be removed from his page, but this isn't PC, so it doesn't really matter :/ 19:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion, his appearance for a long time with long-haired solid gray tom. So, I assume that would mean no markings such as a stripe? They didn't even mention th stripe until The Sight, so he was seen that way as a warrior too, I suppose. 05:12, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I really don't think it's necessary. We all know that the authors made a mistake, but it's not like he was described as gold or ginger. 17:26, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Oblivion and Moonflight. In my opinion, they probably didn't want to describe him every single time as "gray with a darker stripe down his back" or something along those lines, because it would be easier to just put gray or solid gray. But it's not up to me, it's for the leads to decide. 15:15, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but solid gray means pure gray, and after The Sight, they stopped putting solid in his description if I'm not mistaken. 20:56, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

That's like making an alternate warrior for Hawkfrost, because for NP, he was described as a brown tom in the allegiances. Through book references, we realized he was a tabby, and the same thing happened with Graystripe. His darker stripe was mentioned when he was seen. 23:41, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, they never described him as solid brown, did they? Also, he is mentioned as a tabby many times throughout the books he's seen, whereas with Graystripe it isn't mentioned 'til The Sight. 03:39, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Link
Hey people!

I was wondering, does anyone have the link that leads to the site that has the list of pages that need chararts? I'd love to get a reply 'cause I can't find it. ScarletwindThe Uchiha's final Hope 23:11, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

I've created an official list that any of us can edit; right here. The link can be found on the main project page under the Progress & Directions section. -- 23:32, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, but shouldn't you take the image off the list once you reserve it, because there's a lot of images that have been reserved on the page. 22:34, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

New Guidelines for Commenting
Hey guys. This is what popped into my mind just by glancing at one of the pending approval sections.


 * Do not post just to restate a comment. This creates clutter and long, long sections.
 * Compliments are great, but they cause clutter. Do not post just to say, "Great job!"
 * Exception:If there have been no constructive comments for 24 hours, it is permitted to say, "I see nothing wrong, wonderful job."


 * Do not post conversational comments; that is, comments with no constructive merit. This is not a chatting page, this is for solid, constructive criticism.
 * The artist is entitled to his/her opinion as well as others, and well-worded, polite debates are permitted. This may be about color, markings, or the formation/texture of the image.

Those are the immediate bullets that jumped into my head. If any of you disagree or have more ideas, please post here. I hope we all want to be operating at top efficiency. -- 23:22, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * These all look pretty good to me, if I think of anything else I'll let you know. 13:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 19:59, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Elder
Since I guess I'm returning I am no longer an elder. 火の毛皮 20:14, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Scourge - leader?
I have the strangest feeling that this subject has been breached before, but I'm gonna go ahead and ask it anyways... Can I do a leader pic for Scourge as soon as I get Creekfeather approved? (and if this idea is agreed with by the leads, NOBODY CAN STEAL SCOURGE FROM MEH!) So, what does everybody think? I mean, technically, he WAS a leader, even if he wasn't a CLAN leader, so can I do this? Please? Comments? 04:13, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I've thought of this idea in the past and I think I can recall asking Bramble about it. She had some explanation of why he couldn't have a leader image, so you should ask her. I think he shouldn't have one.-- 05:22, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

This came up before. A leader image for scrouge is in the declined archives somewhere. I don't exactly remember the reason why but I don't think you can do him. 10:58, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'm just wondering.. why? 23:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

He wasn't a real leader. Real leaders had nine lives. 01:41, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nightstar & Brightwhisker both have leader pictures, and they never had nine lives. 03:59, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Those are due to sickness problems. 04:20, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Not Nightstar, and i'm just wonding what they have that scourge doesn't that makes them leaders. 22:37, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Scourge led a group of rogues. Brightwhisker and Nightstar were both confirmed to be leaders of their Clans, even without nine lives. I think they stated in a book that Scourge wasn't a real leader, as he didn't believe in STarClan. 22:54, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

You make a good point, Mouse, but I beg to differ. Although he did not believe in StarClan, he was still a leader of a Clan. On the Leader wikia page, does it not state that;


 * A Leader is a warrior who is highest in the Clan hierarchy. The word of the Clan Leader is the warrior code, and all other Clan cats must obey them. They have their own den, and are assisted by a deputy in their tasks. Each Clan has one Leader, and their names end with -star

Although BloodClan was not evolved enough to have "warriors", Scourge was clearly at the top of BloodCLAN's hierarchy. The word of Scourge was obviously law, as was detailed by the tale of Barley, Violet, and their "obedient" brothers. Whatever Scourge said was law. All the other BloodClan cats obeyed him, the reason being fear, and not the warrior code, but the idea was still the same. Did Scourge not have his own den? BloodClan did not have an official deputy, but did Bone not serve as the same thing? Scourge was clearly the only leader, and so what if his name didn't end in -star? Brightwhisker was a leader, and he never received the -star ending of his name, yet he was graced with a leader pixel. Does it not say, on the BloodClan wikia page, that the LEADER of BloodClan is Scourge?

I believe all that. I apologize for the long-winded explanation, but I really, really, REALLY want to do Scourge's leader pixel! 01:26, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

What you're saying makes sense, but Scourge is the leader of a band of rogues, not an actual Clan. Like Mousetalon said, a leader is a cat who is at the highest of its Clan, has a deputy, and believes in StarClan. Scourge doesn't need a leader pixel, sorry. Perhaps find another charart to do? 01:40, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, Oblivion, but he WAS at the highest of his Clan - BloodClan! It was a Clan, even if some say it was just a band of rogues. He DID have a deputy, even if Bone wasn't officially so! The only thing missing from that list is that he doesn't believe in StarClan, and, to me, that seems like an insignificant detail to pick as a reason NOT to do a pixel. I realize if I can't even convince the deputy of this project to see my side, I don't really have a chance of doing his pixel, but I really think that he should have a pixel, and not just because I want to do it! I think he should have a pixel, even if somebody ELSE does it! I just want to say that this is what I think, and, honestly, no offense meant, but I also think you're wrong. Sorry, but it's what I think. 02:04, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Not to be rude, but it just seems like you're searching for a way to make a charart, as believing in StarClan is an essential part of being a leader, not an insignificant detail. 02:45, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Not at all. I just think that being leader doesn't just mean believing in StarClan. Perhaps "insignificant detail" were the wrong words. I just mean it's not the entirety or being leader. Being leader, to me, means leading, which is what Scourge did, did he not? He led a group of cats successfully until he tried to take over the forest. Mothwing doesn't believe in StarClan, yet she is still a medicine cat, and was granted a medicine cat pixel. Do you get my point? I promise you, I don't even care if I get the pixel anymore, I just am trying to get my point across now XD 03:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I understand your point Wildheart but its along the same reason why Furled Bracken and Stone Song don't have leader images. They did lead, but that was more because the were fit to lead at that time. 19:54, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, fine. I'm obviously fighting a losing battle, so I give up. You can archive this now. 22:38, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Here's what I would consider a simple solution, as there's something... Inappropriate about Scourge being given a clan leader base... Why not a base for the leader of groups or organized rouges? I am, however, inclined to personally consider it wasted effort. I would think an edited Rouge base with the claw-collar and big claws would be more than enough to suggest that Scourge is not your typical rouge. The discussion really being had here is if the act of leading makes a cat a clan leader. The word clan in the group name simply doesn't make BloodClan a proper clan. They're a different organization entirely, thus I'd judge them as not being eligible for clan blanks unless they become clan cats. What really should be considered is if BloodClan is historically significant enough to warrant there own set of blanks or not. 22:50, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Kitsufox, for your comment. I appreciate it. I like the idea of a "general" leader blank. We could apply it for Stone Song and Furled Bracken as well as Scourge. Actually, if you think about it we could probably apply it for a few more cats, but you're right. It might be kind of wasted work. If I were an artist, I might do it, but unfortunately, I'm not lol. I think it would be a good idea if somebody wanted to draw a blank, but I suppose the leads should probably approve this idea first. IF somebody were to draw a blank, I STILL SO CALL SCOURGE. Haha I could try to draw a blank, though. It might not work out. Anyway, I'm rambling, so what do the leads think of this idea? 01:30, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I am inclined to disagree with this, as Kitsu said, because a rogue base with the claw collar and big claws would be more than enough to suggest a leader. Making an artist try to create a specific leader blank would be unfair, and, again as Kitsu said, a waste of time. The rules for which leaders need the alternate leader blank would be too vague and unconditional. 01:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oblivion, that's the whole point though. The rules are too strict for the Clan leader blanks, so the alternate leader blank would be for pretty much "anything else". Plus, is it only me, or are we running out of chararts to do? I think that some extra work would help refresh the project and give everybody something to do. And if we're worried about asking somebody to "unfairly" do a blank, then I will do it myself! 01:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Night Whispers is coming out soon, and then we will have more chararts to do. This seems like an excuse to do more chararts, honestly. (No offense, sorry.) 11:13, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Alt. D for Bluestar?
It looks sort of pinkish. (image-Bluestar's images). If doing it is approved, can I do it?

<font color="Red" font face="Papyrus" font style="background:yellow; border:3px dashed-moz-border-radius: 1em; orange;"> Z orth <font color=#4ea9ba>El Awsome Line 23:34, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

it looks fine to me.. 23:35, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Bluestar doesn't need an alternate deputy image-- 23:40, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

WOW posts can collect fast. But does anyone other than me think it looks sorta pink?

Do you think it looks pink? Yes No Sort of

<font color="Red" font face="Papyrus" font style="background:yellow; border:3px dashed-moz-border-radius: 1em; orange;"> Z orth <font color=#4ea9ba>El Awsome Line 23:44, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Zorth, did you vote on the poll over and over again? =/ 02:12, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Zorth, please. Bluestar's deputy image was approved. We don't need to discuss it. It can be changed during the next tweak week, but for now, it's fine.-- 02:14, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Just noting though, it looks a little more purpleish than the other pics, but anyways, it looks fine. Willow heart  1231  21:29, September 15, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Frostheart-It won't let you do that. If you say "yes" and then "no" it will take one vote from yes, your vote, and add one to no.

<font color="Red" font face="Papyrus" font style="background:yellow; border:3px dashed-moz-border-radius: 1em; orange;"> Z orth <font color=#4ea9ba>El Awsome Line 21:57, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

They all look just fine. 01:00, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Put it on the back burner and wait for Tweak Week =) Sorry, Zorth, makes sense though. 01:56, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

What is tweak week?

<font color="Red" font face="Papyrus" font style="background:yellow; border:3px dashed-moz-border-radius: 1em; orange;"> Z orth <font color=#4ea9ba>El Awsome Line 22:16, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Tweak Week is a time where all the members of PCA edit the pictures that have already been approved. Willow heart  1231  01:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

I'm back!
Hey...can I be a part of the project again? I miss the good ol' PCA. :)  HA WK FI RE98  18:09, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I've added you. Welcome back Hawkfire! I added you as a warrior, since you were one before.-- 02:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thankies :) But I probably won't get to do an image. There's only very, very few left and they will all be taken before I can say Sour Patch Kids!  HA WK FI RE98  02:52, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

There are still some cats from SkyClan's Destiny that need images.-- 02:56, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

I looked, all the cats have images. :(  HA WK FI RE98  03:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

There is also a page that lists characters needing images.-- 03:36, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

All of them are taken. I'll wait for Night Whispers.  HA WK FI RE98  15:55, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kits
Should Sandstorm, Graystripe, Ravenpaw, and Dustpelt have kit images because they were seen as kits at the end of Bluestar's prophecy? Willow heart  1231  01:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

They were seen as apprentices, not kits-- 01:08, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry! Willow heart  1231  01:14, September 17, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231