Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

A Gentle Reminder
Any mentors out there who have a spot and free time to take on an apprentice should go check out the poor, starving apprentices who would like your attention :3 And a note to the leader and deputy: if you see that an apprentice's request for a mentor has gone a while without anybody volunteering, you should ask a mentor if they are willing to take on an apprentice, and if they acquiesce, approve it. Thanks guys. 07:44 Sun Jan 22

Blanks
Would it be okay if I fixed all the blanks...because I have noticed that in the elder there is waste in the paw and all the pixels aren't black and some of them are grey. I have also noticed that on other blanks there is waste also. So I ask permission from you of PCA to let me edit these blanks. Thank You. 15:58, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that waste is a problem becaus ethe artist can just remove it when they make a cat with the blank. 19:34, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Waste is a problem because often times the artist either forgets or misses it, causing unneeded work in removing it. It'd be much easier to just et rid of tis from the originals. Go ahead Cinder.  Pale Legs   ♪Be prepared...♪  22:04, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thank You Paley. 00:38, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Especially that loner image. Doing it on Paint is just maddening. 01:30, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

An Ultimate Guide to Patterns
Hey guys, just thought I'd share this amazing source of colors and patterns on cats I found. :3 Go here to see it. I think it's incredible, and if you're as obsessed with realism as me, it's really helpful. Enjoy! (and possibly post your own sources of cat patterns, you know, if you want) 22:00, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

By the way~ Download to see it full size. 22:01, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

This has been put up like three times I'm suprised people don't use it! It really helps me. 00:57, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

OMG, that is an epic picture. And a helpful one too. 01:51, Tue, Jan, 24, 2012

It helps me very much! Thanks for showing! 04:17, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Rock
Hey, I was wondering if we should tweak Rock's image. The head doesn't really look much like a sphynx maybe we could give him a jaw line or something, I don't know. What do you guys think? 02:04, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, well as someone stated to me on dA once, it was never confirmed that Rock's a Sphynx cat. Just that's he's hairless, and that apparently cause he's ancient. He has tufts of fur, so I'm assuming he had it before. Sphynx is just the only cat we know to be hairless, but maybe he's not. So for now, I'd say no, probably not, but that's just me. Feel free to disagree.  Pale Legs   ♪Be prepared...♪  02:50, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

{C Without whiskers and cheek fur, I'm pretty sure a cat would have a triangular head like that. I always thought it was the fur that gave their heads that round look. Breeze whisker  03:09, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing with Paleh. Cats have different face shapes and he said once that he wasn't so ugly, so I imagine that he was not born a spynx cat. If I recall correctly, there was another hairless breed called the Mexican hairless but it became extinct, he could have been one of those as well with a different face shape. 03:11, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think it was written to mean that he was underground causeing him to lose his hair. 22:26, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

And if he was a spynx cat, the only possible sources of fur, would be the bridge of the nose, tips of the ears, and I forget, but I think tail tip too. 01:12, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

For the record, theoretically any cat with at least on ancestor with the hairless gene could be hairless. But frankly, I don't see him a sphynx for a few reasons. The first being that he has the tufts of hair as mentioned above. Secondly, he was never described as having any actual oriental-type charactaristics (such as very long legs or extremely large ears) that couldn't be explained as a result of his baldness. I've personally seen him as either loosing the hair due to age (not uncommon, their are a number of adreanal conditions that can cause it that come with age) or something external like mange. 15:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Userbox
I was thinking, we have the "this user is a mentor of Project Character Art," but could we have a userbox that says "This user was mentored by USERNAME in Project Character Art." Or "This user has mentored USERNAME in Project Character Art." Something like that, and of course, USERNAME is replaced with the like of the username, linked. Thought about that? 06:36, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I originally wanted it to be, but I guess Icy misunderstood. I don't know how to change it though... XD If anyone knows how, I agree that we should. I fail at coding. :P  Pale  Legs   ♪Be prepared...♪  08:25, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

I have some thing like that on my userpage I just need to know the template page or I could just put the coding up here... first tell me what you think its under 'Other Userboxes' 22:24, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

It's alright Wildfire, I already got it planned before I posted this. How's this one that I posted right there? <<< -- 01:01, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mine is just like that! xD Except it says "This user was mentored by the awesomest mentor ever" 02:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I didn't see it on your page. O___O XD And another one could say "This user mentored USERNAME." If we decide to make one like that, can you make one like that Wildfire? 02:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! We also might want to make alts. that say "This user is mentoring USERNAME" and "This user is being mentored by USERNAME" or something that last one seems long 15:35, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I would think so. 16:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. :) 23:22, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. 06:19, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

Tweak Page
Hey I was wondering if we could make the tweak page limit a little bigger because the list is super long and I think it would move faster, maybe just by a few like change it to 30-35. 22:56, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... Perhaps, but maybe when our PCA approval page limit goes down back to normal?... 00:35, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

But we will be doing the loner blanks too. 01:52, Mon, Jan, 30, 2012

Leaving for a bit.
Hey guys....it pains me to say this, it really, really does. But I'm leaving the wiki. For a little bit, anyway...I mean, i have no time for petty things on the computer in all honesty, I swear when i can, I WILL come back, but i don't know when that is. I love you guys, its like your my extended family, when my real family can't be there, you all can, and i'm sorry i'm leaving that behind, but i just have no choice, i'm sorry y'all, i hope you all will semi-eagerly await my return, even you Daddy. *glares at Sky* but yeah, thats it, bye.

Goodbye from,

Maple♥ legs  Mischief brewing 01:38, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Aww =( Please come and visit whenever you can, Maple! May StarClan light your path! 01:46, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

No! Aww...Maple.. I'll miss your chararts. ;( PCA will loose a valuable member. >.> Bye... But remember, PCA will welcome you back anytime with open arms. 01:48, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Awww....I'm so sad to hear this Maple. I hope you come back but I wish you a peaceful and joyous break. Come back soon! 01:50, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, good fortune, my disowned daughter. Miss ya. ;3 Sky Watchu want? 01:52, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Aww. Goodbye Maple Mish you D'X 01:54, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Awww, too bad your leaving the wiki. See ya when you come back, Mrs. Butterworth! 02:00, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Problem? Mustve took one glace at mah sig to come with dat one~ 02:05, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * glares at Bloo* Bloo, you used to call me Mrs.Butterworth, until you took a arrow to the knee. Maple♥  legs  Mischief brewing 02:01, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Aw, by Maple! 02:03, January 25, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

Bye May-pay D: 21:32 Wed Jan 25

Sad to see you go, Maple. May our paths join again soon. ); 23:24, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Noooooo! Bai Maple, I will miss you. 06:26, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

Ashfoot
Would she get an alternate for her appearance in A Clan in Need? She's shown as dark grey with black flecks on page 21. 04:41, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Is there confirmation on the page that it's her? If so, go for it. 04:44, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well, she swoops down on Crowkit and says, "There you are! Thank StarClan you're safe!" Crowkit doesn't seem too pleased with this, indicating he doesn't want to be babied by his mother. Seems good enough for me. 04:49, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. If they don't name her, it could just be another queen. 04:54, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that. See here, then go down to page 21. That couldn't be anyone else other than his mother. 04:58, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Crap, never mind, I think that's Mudclaw. Just don't mind me, I fail. 05:07, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

She seems very motherly to him. I say it's her. Also, I noticed Scourge has a torn ear. I think we should add that to his image already being tweaked. 05:08, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nah, it's Mudclaw, I'm very sure, although I don't know when he became a she-cat. As for Scourge, reference? 05:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, it's easy to get confused when Mudclaw starts acting matronly. 05:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Page 10 of Shattered Peace (I think it's page 10, some of them don't have numbers so...XD If not it's the beginning part with Scourge telling his cats to hurt Violet)  17:34, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Don't you mean A Clan in Need? :3 Because Scourge is on page 10 of that book. About the torn ear, I don't know if that counts since it's from the manga, and he's not shown with it anywhere else. Thoughts? 00:32, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well is he shown with it when he's an adult in The Rise of Scourge? If not, no, it shouldn't be added. But it he is, then that'd bean he's consistently shown with one and it should be added. 04:35, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, I don't have it. Anyone? 12:15, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Silverstream and Feathertail
I'm of the opinion that Silverstream and Feathertail's chararts should be redone as they appear to be Y-tabbies, a pattern I thought we began to discourage a long time ago. I thought I ought to get the opinion of the project before adding them to the tweak week list, though. 15:06, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's only a Y tabby if all of their stripes are Ys, so I'm saying no. 18:03, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Moon's right. Though not all the stripes have to be Y's to be a Y tabby, most of them do. As far as I can see, only about two are on them. Other cats have one or two Y stripes on them, but aren't Y tabbies. It's actually natural for cats to have a couple. And I never really understood this, did we decided that all the Y tabbies were being redone? When I asked a while back, I got no as an answer, that we were just discouraging them, yet only some of them got redone... 22:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I was also under the impression that we were just redoing the triangle tabbies. What's wrong with a Y tabby? 02:12, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I've never actually seen a y tabby. Only cats with a few y shaped stripes, but otherwise, I don't even know if it's possible... but then again, I've never really paid attention to cat patterns. =P Maybe if someone could give me a link/picture to a y tabby cat. 06:42, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

There's no such thing. The closest you come to it is a mackeral tabby, such as this guy. If you looks, he does have a few y-shaped stripes. I still think that those two have awkward patterns, but I won't make a fuss over it. I concede that they need no tweaking, then. 06:51, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

They could always have a few mackeral stripes tweaked into their fur, actually, and I don't think that'd bother us any. We could do that for any Y tabby we find, just connect a few stripes, add a few stripes radiating from the spine...ta-dah, now it's realistic! 17:17, January 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. 01:43, Sun, Jan, 29, 2012

Brightheart, Graystripe, and Squirrelpaw
In The Lost Warrior Brightheart is shown as a light tortie with out her torn ears and her eye just looks closed, Graystripe has five toes pg.13, and Squirrelpaw is a tabby without her white paw, and Thornclaw, Rainwhisker, and Brambleclaw appear to be solid. Which of these should get alts? 15:57, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

And Bramble has short fur 15:59, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Well Brightheart already has a tortie alt, Graystripe wouldn't get one for having an extra toe, Squirrelflight is already automatically a tabby cause she's ginger and wouldn't get one for something as small as not having her white paw, Rainwhisker is already solid, but I don't know about Thornclaw and Brambleclaw. If they're very clearly solid then maybe, but it is could be questioned whether or not they're solid, probably not. And Bramble wouldn't get an alt just for a fur length change, but if he is solid after all, then the alt would be made short furred. 16:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'm really not sure about this but should Graystripe get a leader image he was in charge while Firestar was gone (looking for SkyClan) I'm pretty sure he wouldn't but just making sure. 19:04, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Graystripe was never a leader. He was never Graystar, never even acted as leader, only as deputy. I remember that he refused to when Firestar left, and he probably would have continued to do so for several years if Firestar never returned, at least until forced to take over. 19:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay and Ravenpaw, would he get one for his mis-coloring and would Barley get a collar on his rogue/kit version for being in BloodClan when he was a kit. 20:00, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

We already decided no on Ravenpaw, it's too minor of a change. And as far as I've seen, Barley wasn't shown with a collar, even when in BloodClan, so no. 22:06, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't think it mattered, I thought all Bloodclan Cats get collars. And would Thornclaw be a solid gray or golden? 23:05, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. He was shown specifically without a collar from what I've seen, so he wouldn't get one. And from what we've done in the past, solid golden. But you need to cite it, remember. 23:21, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Graystripe acted as leader in SkyClan's Destiny. 00:32, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, wait, is that what you were talking about? If so, nevermind. =3 00:33, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Well...he acted as leader...he wasn't really an official leader... 00:40, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

No, he acted as a deputy with an absent leader. He was not leader. 00:42, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks 01:22, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

The non-alt worthy things you said back up there would just go in the trivia of their pages I'd think. 06:49, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

Shortening the Reservation Time
Just a thought that's been bothering me for a while. What would you all think of shortening the reservation period on the table from 2 weeks to 1, because, even the newest apprentice shouldn't take two weeks to put a charart up for approval, and if it does take them that long, it might be best for them to practice on their own before taking on a charart for PCA. Thoughts? Comments? 01:27, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds perfect to me. I agree completely; if you take more than a week you're just plain procrastinating. 01:31, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. 01:32, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. 02:08, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 02:09, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. ^.^ <span style="">02:10, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sure  02:12, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. 02:13, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. It annoys me when somebody grabs a good character and then waits that long to put it up. If you're gonna reserve something, you should have the ability to put it up quickly. Breeze whisker  03:12, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. :) 03:12, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. This sounds great. 03:14, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Perfect :3 03:17, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree to. A perfect time. I don't even reserve images, only when I upload them (I make sure no one else has first) <span style="">06:56, Thu, Jan, 26, 2012

Good idea. I agree. ♫Purplemoon♪  Chinese New Year! Year of the Dragons!  12:25, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

If we're all in agreement, I'll go change the guideline page. 16:08, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree but sometimes there isn't any room. (There is now but not for tweaking) What do we do then 22:37, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I've always wondered about that too, ever since I learned about the rule. But the way I see it, if the page is full, nobody can take if from you anyways, so as long as you post it as soon as there's space, you should be fine. Though honestly it doesn't seem completely fair, I agree, I don't know how we could change that. And ideas guys? 23:14, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. But if someone can't put it up because the page is full wouldn't be fair. We can't help it if the page is full. :/ <span style="">23:52 Thu Jan 26

I'd say if the page (new art, tweak page, or both) have had a lack of space, a user cannot take over their project for a longer amount of time because come on, if there is one spot open and someone immediately takes it, they didn't have a fair chance to upload their picture, now did they? 06:43, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Come on guys, we're not a bunch of monkeys unable of communicating. If someone takes your reservation and you have the image done, just post on their talk page and explain to them that you're waiting for the approval page to free up. If they don't comply (which they should, it's common courtesy), just explain your situation to a senior member and we'll be able to take care of it. However, if you don't have the image done after a week, please don't try and get away with telling someone there's no room. That's just plain lying. 17:33, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not fussed over this, I don't reserve chararts, just when I find a space and I have a free project I do it! The Approval page isn't that full anyway, even with the normal limit. <span style="">02:27, Sat, Jan, 28, 2012

Removing Name from List
I left the project a while ago, and I just noticed that my name was still on the list. Whenever anybody can, please remove my name from the list.

Leaving
Yes, the day has come. I'm quitting. My reasons are on the PC/PW talk pages. Someone can remove me from the project, and anyone can take over my charart, Clawface(A). Sorry everyone. 23:48, January 26, 2012 (UTC)



Aww, Misty... you're one of the good ones. You'll be missed, and I sincerely hope you return one day. You'll always have a place here. 23:52, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Misty your chararts are epic. I'll miss you so much! 23:56, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Aww... We'll miss you, Misty! If you ever want to return, you'll have a place among our ranks. May StarClan light your path! :) 00:22, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bye Misty D: Have a great time in life! We'll  all  miss you, an' don't ya forget that! <span style="">00:33 Fri Jan 27

Thanks...I'll miss you all. Bye everyone, and good luck in PCA! :3 00:36, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bye Misty! :( Good luck in life. You were a great admin, charartist and user to the wiki. <span style="">01:21, Fri, Jan, 27, 2012

Goodbye Misty D: You were a great admin, and a good charartist. 13:01, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Misty, you were one of the users I looked up to in PCA. Your talents will be missed. May you have good luck in life. 14:25, January 27, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

Bye Misty :( You were a great admin and an awesome charartist. We'll all miss you!  14:30, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Leaving x 2
That's right, I'm quitting as well. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand making the decision. Ths wiki is family. I'm tearing apart all the bonds painfully... But I can't do it anymore. Life's stressful. I have to do something with my life. I know I haven't started high school yet, but I'm ambitious. I want to grow up and be something useful, like a doctor or a lawyer. And to do that, I can't do this wiki. I'm literally crying as I type this, this decision is so hard! But I'm afraid I'll have to carry through. Maybe I'll come back, but not too soon. I'll pop in once in a while on not-so-busy days. I've never been such an asset to this Project, but I wish it luck as well. Thank you all, for the wondrous times I've had here. I know I'm being selfish, but I hope you understand. Thanks again, and I wish this wiki, the best of luck to succeed for the future. 03:41, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Goodbye Squirrel :( We'll miss you! 13:00, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Squirrel, this is not a selfish decision. You have a life, and you have a right to live it how you like. You'll be missed, and there will always be a place for you here, whether you return or not. 14:28, January 27, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

May StarClan light your path Squirrel, Good bye. :( <span style="">02:29, Sat, Jan, 28, 2012

I wish you good luck in your life, and the wikia will miss your great edits and friendliness. :(  14:32, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Millie
I was wondering, would Millie get an apprentice version? Graystripe was techincally her mentor, kinda. I don't know. 06:39, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so, because she seemed as a kittypet/warrior throughout and all Graystripe did was teach her the basic moves, like dodging and swiping, ect...Evenly so, Graystripe is listed as her unofficial mentor. So, no, I don't think so. =) 11:42, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm I'm not completely sure. But if she did, that would mean a few other cats would have to get apprentice chararts I believe, including Snowkit. 15:00, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Really, if that were the case then Daisy would get one for Cloudtail's attempts at training her and... that useless lump of fur doesn't deserve one... I'd say no. She was a kittypet training, not a warrior. Graystripe was technically a loner at the time, so there's that. 15:04, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

And Millie was Graystripe's unoffical apprentice. Says so on his page 22:55, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm alright, that makes sense. just curious :3 01:22, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Join Request~Oakbreeze
Alright, I'm joining. I hope I can join because I love making chararts &#123;&#123;SUBST:Nosubst&#124;User:Oakbreeze/Sig}} 15:17, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. this is Wavefrost. I'm really sorry I didn't stick to the rules; I really didn't know that you couldn't"t revelry images if you weren't part of the PCA. so, yeah... Could I please join, I really like art a lot! I hope can join you guys. see you.

Sure, I'll add you both in as kits. Please review PCA's basic guidelines and our tutorial. If either of you'd like to apply for a mentor, go here and post your request. Welcome to PCA! 04:55, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Oakbreeze! <span style="">01:40, Sun, Jan, 29, 2012

Break..
Well, I'm taking another break from the Wiki. My broken arm got worse and my cat is real sick. I dunno when I'll come back, but I hope its soon. :( 22:17, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Snowy...I'm sorry...I hope you can come back soon. ): 22:23, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Bye, Snowy! Come back soon! 23:03, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Aw! Come back soon Snowy! Hope you an' your cat get better! <span style="">00:52 Sat Jan 28

Come back when you can Snowzy! Bye for now! :( <span style="">02:33, Sat, Jan, 28, 2012

Oh, not you too Snowy! Come back as soon as you can! Feel better! 03:24, January 28, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

Vote Passed
The screening process vote has passed. This means: The chart showing how complete an image is can be found here. 04:00, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * All new members will initially be kits, but will be promoted to apprentice as soon as they upload an image that is 50% complete.
 * Users that remain kits for one month may be asked to take mentors to help improve themselves.
 * All members of the project will be expected to have images at least 80% done when said images are uploaded for approval, or two senior members of the project will be allowed to, upon agreement, automatically decline the image.
 * If an image is at least 50% complete, it is to be given a week to improve itself to 80% completion before being auto-declined.
 * An image posted by a kit should be marked as "for evaluation" instead of "for approval" so that senior members can more easily find them.
 * Senior members are expected to remain courteous and polite when auto-declining an image, as always.
 * If the auto-decline of an image is under conflict, the deputy and leader of PCA must agree on an outcome together. If the deputy and leader cannot come to an agreement, a staff member of the wiki not involved in PCA may be contacted to resolve the conflict.

Does that mean that pictures submitted by said kits should go ahead and be marked as for evaluation, or are they grandparented and only new images undergo this process? 04:47, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

They're grandparented. I didn't think it'd be fair to have the rule be retroactive. Whoever is an apprentice right now is still an apprentice. 04:49, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Good Job!
Haha, just pointing out one thing: counting the images on the approval page, we've officially gone through every apprentice image on the category pages! Way to go, guys, I knew we'd do this quickly. 04:45, January 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is celebrating!* Woo hoo! <span style="">01:38, Sun, Jan, 29, 2012

Leaving.
Seeing as I was ignored before, I'll post this again. :/

Hey. I'm leaving the PCA. I'm losing interest to be honest. I rarely get images, what with being in England and timezones and whatnot, and I'm sort of getting bored with no art to do. I believe I've improved a lot, I just never get chance to show it anymore. I may come back later, and I hope I can still help out on the dA PCA Training. Thanks, 13:05, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Leopard...just people someone didn't comment doesn't mean they didn't read it. I'm sorry your leaving :c 13:07, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

It's not the fact that no-one commented, it's the fact that I was archived and no-one even bothered to remove me. 16:22, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Kit Question (If not, proposal)
I was looking at the main page and noticed we now have our kit section. I was wondering, maybe, if an apprentice hasn't had any images approved (I dunno if it should be just if they haven't done it on their own or not) they should be a kit? Like say I didn't have any images approved I would be a kit, even though I joined as an apprentice. I'm not sure if it's in the forum or vote. (If it is than I'm dumb) Thanks, <span style="">19:31 Sat Jan 28

That's not a dumb question. I noticed that too. I think they would. 19:33, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Never said it was a dumb question. :P But it's not fair to the kits who have no images approved, and their's apprentices with none approved, but their still apprentices. I think it would be more fair. <span style="">19:40 Sat Jan 28

Deeerrrp I meant you're not dumb. I didn't see it either XP *dies of dyslexia* 19:46, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Shelly already said that everyone is grandparented under the new rule as it is not fair, but if my thinking is correct, if they are removed for inactivity and come back, they are now of the kit rank if they haven't had anything accepted yet. 22:01, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks Ivy! :D <span style="">22:05 Sat Jan 28

PCA Blanks
Whoohoo!! PCA Blanks are now all waste free!!! (I hope xD) Anyway now nobody should have a problem with waste. :P Whoohoo! Go PCA!! xD 21:00, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Good job Cinder! (: <span style="">00:29 Sun Jan 29
 * Thanx Sweet ^^ 00:43, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, I got rid of the kit blank's waste.. Never mind. Oh well, thank you Cinder. And good job. <span style="">01:34, Sun, Jan, 29, 2012


 * Your Welcome. And Thank you. 21:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Taking a Break
Hey guys. I have to take a break. Reasons being 1. My thumb is injured, and, it doesn't help when making chararts. 2. A while back, I was told I had an illness that would need lab work if it didn't get better. So far, it isn't better. 3. Life is a bit hectic. 00:34, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Twiiii D'X Hope you feel better Miss you ;.; 00:36, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

I'll miss you Twi. I hope your illness and thumb gets better! I shall be awaiting your return <3 Forever! Best wishes, 00:37, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Awww! Twi :'(. I hope you feel much better, and I cna't wait for your return! Bye Twilegs <33 <span style="">00:49 Sun Jan 29

I feel so sad to hear that. We hope you get better and that you come back soon! Good Luck!!^^ 00:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that Twi. :( Hope you can come back soon! <span style="">01:31, Sun, Jan, 29, 2012

We'll miss you Twi! May StarClan grant you a quick recovery. 04:06, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

May StarClan light your path, Twi, hope you feel better! <3 05:10, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Get well soon! We'll miss you and hope that you can come back soon! ^^  16:00, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

My volleyball coach (and doctor) gave me some tips to help, and it turns out they're working, so, I'll be back soon. ( 06:11, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Noes! *cries* I'll miss my Twit! (it's not an offense, i just call her that) 19:50, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re-join? 8D
Yeah. Like the subject says. I just can't stay away. Elo legs 16:00, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back, Elork! <3 16:08, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back! :) 17:05, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Eli!! Welcome back <333 17:06, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back Fox! <span style="">18:31 Sun Jan 29

Elo! Welcome back to PCA. <span style="">02:05, Mon, Jan, 30, 2012

Risa! *Throws confetti* 20:43, January 30, 2012 (UTC) Shadewing

Reserving Loners
Everyone, a small reminder. Please do not reserve any loner chararts until the blanks are approved, just as we did with the apprentice chararts. Any reservatiosn made before the blanks are approved will be removed. 20:21, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks for the update, Shelly. 20:22, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Will we still be allowed to have 2 chararts for approval if we only have 1 tweak? And will OA get first choice? 21:23, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Okay! <span style="">21:40 Sun Jan 29

Wild, OAs didn't really get first choice last time, so I'd say no. And I'm guessing yes to the two at a time thing. But I may be wrong, since there's significantly less loners than apprentices. 21:44, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

To the 2 at a time thing, I think a member should only be allowed one so most people get a chance with the new blanks. 21:47, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Me too. It'd be more fair. <span style="">21:50 Sun Jan 29

One sounds best to me as well. As I said, there aren't as many loners to be had. 21:51, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. 21:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

I have a question, and I'm really embarrassed because I'm a SM and I should know this, but are we allowed to have two tweaks up and reserve a loner? I just really want Fleck since I'm the OA and I don't think my tweaks will be approved by then. If not then I'll understand and just have to hope  01:07, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Also... are we putting loners on the tweak page or the approval page? Now that we are putting noob questions out there XD <span style="">01:56 Mon Jan 30

If they did go on the tweak page then someone could do two at a time. I thoungt we only wanted one loner per user at a time. 02:00, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Your logic is logical, Mounty <3 <span style="">02:02 Mon Jan 30

Pssh I have no logic x.x Since the screening process got passed, this would be an opportunity for kits to become apprentices. So I think it would be one the approval page and only one loner per person at a time *stops babbling* 02:08, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

On the case of this subject, soemone needs to update the shadign placement on the apprentice tutorials, and possibly the eye picture. <span style="">02:09, Mon, Jan, 30, 2012

Shoddy! <span style="">02:15 Mon Jan 30

Well, the shading placement at least :3 someone else can do the eyes. <span style="">02:25 Mon Jan 30

I'll do the eyes. 02:27, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I meant one loner but if we have two tweaks on the approval page already could we do a loner? This would be a normal project just like the apprentices 02:52, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Shading placement is done. I dunno, Ivy D: <span style="">02:55 Mon Jan 30

So many questions.... X.X Well, here goes; We're gonna go back to 1 image per person, as there's not as many loners we should be fine. No, we're not doing the whole OAs have dibs thing unless the majority of the project disagrees, in which case we'll open up a discussion. But for now, no. Having one loner image and two tweaks would definitely speed things up a bit, so we'll do that while the loners are being done, but you have to be doing 1 loner image to be able to have 3 projects up, just as we did with the apprentices. I believe that's everything. If I missed a questions please point it out since there's so many. XD 03:29, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just a thought about the number of images up for approval, we might as well stick with being able to have two for approval, since this is the last lineart being redone, so we might as well get them done fast. Just a thought. (NOTE:Scarlet is in a tired and somewhat obscured mood...) 05:02, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't really matter. Since there's less loners than apprentices I don't this people will be fighting for space like last time. 05:23, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Just wondering: why do we want to get them done fast? Are we in some sort of hurry? We might as well let as many different people do images. For example, if one person got two image as opposed to one, that's half the images for anyone else. So the images that, if we only got one, could (example only) satisfy myself, Paleh, Scarletwind, and Shelly, but if we got two, could only satisfy myself and Paleh. Multiply that by... I don't know, twenty? and you'd have a lot less people doing a lot more images. Kind of like an Occupy deal, if you will, except with charart instead of money xD Do I make any sense or am I just rambling about nothingness? 05:37, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

It may not be the last blank Scarlet, we haven't decided for sure if we' keeping the rogues or not, have we? It's just been put off for a long time. XD And yes, Oblivion, that makes sense. And it evens out to work between people so one person doesn't have as much work. I think we should stick with 1 per person, but that's just me. 07:00, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, Im not going to make any loner...all will be snatched, anyway, good luck. 17:32, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Jacques/ Willowshine images
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> In Twilight, page 193 (at about the middle of the page) It says Jacques's eyes are yellow, but the eyes in his CharArt are green, and his description doesn't say anything.

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> "She was smaller than he had imagined. Her body was sleek and lithe, and her tabby markings were hardly more than delicate stripes along her pelt." The Sight, Page 268. In her art they are thicker and darker.Emberstarfireclan 12:47, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> These two need to be changed a bit.Emberstarfireclan 14:27, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> I checked Twilight, and Jacques should be changed. But delicate I don't think means that her stripes are thin and light. 14:38, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> If you have citable proof about eye color be wrong, you are allowed to save the image, open it in your program of choice, change it and upload it, no problem. No need to ask. 17:30, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt"> Just change the eye color, and as for Willowshine, I think it might mean her stripes aren't very sharp edged, and are maybe a bit fancy in style. <span style="">07:20, Tue, Jan, 31, 2012

Back (for a bit, at least)
Seeing as my mom told me the lab work is late next month, I've figured that 'til that lab work comes into play, I should be good to stay in PCA. :3 19:51, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yes! My Twit is back! *huggles* 19:53, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! Welcome back Twi! <span style="">07:05, Tue, Jan, 31, 2012

Join Request ~ Willowfern
Hi. I saw this was an art project, and I love art, so, I'd like to join. .3. Willowfern 22:08, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sure! Welcome to the project, I'll add you in as a kit right now, and make sure to read the guidelines before commenting or posting an image, and you can apply for a mentor at PCA's mentor program. 05:56, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to PCA Willowfern. <span style="">07:08, Tue, Jan, 31, 2012

Idea?
I've been think about this for a while. My idea is that for the cats who don't have images maybe we could just put a blank that the are for their image. Like for example Willowstar we could put up a long haired female blank, since we know she is a female and also since we decided that all RiverClan cats would be long haired except for one who are mentioned with short hair. But for ones which we don't even know the gender of, this wouldn't work....So what do you think? 18:12, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking we could color them a dark color with a large question mark on them. I've always thought about that but never remembered to ask XD So thanks for reminding me 18:16, January 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha =P no prob. 18:19, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

I actually really like that idea, Ivystripe, it would give the boring blank pages some more spice. =3 00:18, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

I had the same idea with Ivy, but we leave them blank with a big fat red neon big fat question mark. 00:20, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

I really like that idea too Ivy. :) Maybe after the loners are done we can make a default charart filled in with black with a question mark, then just put that on all the pages. I think that'd be a great idea! 00:25, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and we would use the rank they are in, right? 00:30, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

I would think...Could I maybe make it? Unless Ivy you want to....xD 00:29, February 1, 2012 (UTC)