Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Time limit on Tweak Nominations
I've noticed how some tweak/redo nominations will stay up for a week (or more) without getting their three yay or nay votes. That's really not fair to the nominator having to wait that long for their nomination to be approved - especially when it's missing like one vote. I think that maybe after a certain time period, say 3 days, whichever vote at the time has a majority should be the automatic decision. So it would go on the list if the majority were yay votes. And if they're tied I guess it could just default either way, so long as all tied nominations would default the same way. It'll just keep those nominations from sitting there and the nominator from having to wait so long to know whether they can work on it or not. Breeze whisker  04:54, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think this might work. It would stop nominations from sitting there. 06:37, 17, 05, 2012

I agree with this...but the only question is for those that tie. I'd say look at the comments, if any, and that could determine if, but, for now, I think that they should just be approved and be done with it, or, if they really want the image to be redone, they can re-nominate it.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 09:23, 06, 06, 2012

I believe that is fair enough. For if they tie, I say we just wait 24 more hours, then archive it/decline it. 20:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should just decline the nomination when it's defalt, and they could just renominate it necessary. 06:01, 12, 06, 2012

I agree with the declining it automatically, but how long should the wait be before the votes are tallied? Breeze whisker  15:20, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking two or three days, but it could be more or less. Breeze whisker  15:21, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I think 3 days/72hrs is good enough as a time. 05:51, 15, 06, 2012

Alright, that doesn't seem too long, so I agree. 19:03, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? 17:09, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is everyone happy with 3 days? 00:54, 24, 06, 2012

I am, but should we put up a vote just in case for the other project members? {\ 14:42, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose a vote could work. x3 03:26, 30, 06, 2012

We Have an Issue
So, as some people have seen in the approved tweak nomination archive, the page has exceeded the template limit. What this means is: the page has too many s, s, s and signature templates, and thus the templates are showing up as redlinks. So we need another way to archive tweak nominations without using one page. We could just use more than one page, but should it be a forum or just a regular page? Since the archive isn't really being discussed on, it probably shouldn't be a forum, but that's just my opinion. 23:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and I don't know if this is happening to anyone else, but it takes my computer about a year to load that page simply because there's so much on it. 23:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Didn't I say to use a subpage when we started this whole ordeal? I think we should just move the entire thing to a subpage for PCA and be done with it.

I'm no coding expert (never have been, never will be), but maybe instead of using the yay and nay templates, just go:


 * Yes/No. Reason why or why note if needed/wanted. ~.

I'd rather not use a second/multiple pages because of the space it could build up to. Or we could just keep a record of who/which chararts were redone, how many times, for what reasons with dates. I dunno, Scarlet's having a slow day 23:09, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Scarlet on the yes/no rather than the vote yay and nay templates. That way, the number of templates on the page will go down. 01:06, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

But there's still the issue of long loading times. The PCA images page (a page with every single approved image) was deleted because of this problem. 01:07, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Whatever you decide to do, I think it would be nice get rid of those, not sure what they're call, drop down menus(?), also. They tend to make my computer stop responding while it tries to open one, even the current, and therefore smallest, one. I'm not sure what else would work, though. ^^; Breeze  whisker  01:12, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Then maybe we should use subpages, and possibly have a limit to how many drop-menus are on a page. 01:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages was my opinion in the first place, so I still agree with that. Maybe 3-5 drop down archives per page, since we're up to the sixth archive now. (I don't have much problems these days o3o) I think the only thing with that Breezy is that we'd have to make an archive for each drop down. I'd personaly like to keep the voteyay and nay voting (probably because I've gotten used to it) but if it saves a lot heap of trouble, then I'm fine with just doing what Scarlet mentioned above. :) 01:49, 11, 06, 2012

I'm all for subpages, the current archive takes forever to load, and the yes/no thing would get confusing, let's just make some subpages and be done with it. 23:55, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Subpages sound pretty good to me, and as for dropboxes - a limit of about 5 is good. The templates gave up after the 5th dropdown. And since most people are used to the voteyay/votenay voting, this wouldn't make them need to suddenly change what they're using. However, if we come to a conclusion on it, the yes/no thing would work as well. 06:15, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Kay, is everyone happy with subpages and a new archive page every 5th drop down box? I think that if we don't go over the template limit then we should still use the voteyay and votenay templates. 02:01, 05, 07, 2012

Tweak Nominations: I am going to sound like a total idiot...
Alright, as you all know, right now I am the sole overseer of the Tweak Nominations page, and I'm supposed to nominate someone to help me. This is going to sound so horrible, I know, but I haven't been active enough to know who would be the right person for the job to help me. There are so many new people, and it's hard for me to keep track, and I don't even know who would want the position. I know this is unorthodox, but members that are eligible and would like this position, let me know and I'll make my decision. This way, it'll be a lot easier to pick the right person who is interested. Thanks, and again, please don't brick me for not just picking someone XD  15:15, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

We respect your desicion Ibly, not everyone can do their jobs. :) I could probably do this, but if the featured charart vote passes, since I'm one of the users in charge of that, I'll strike my interest for fairness. :) 06:29, 15, 06, 2012

I'm interested owo I can do this but it's your choice. 06:38 Fri Jun 15

Don't want to sound too greedy or something, but I would like to try this out. '^^  20:06, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know I'm the new SW, but if I am allowed, I too would like to try this out. 20:24, June 15, 2012 (UTC)

Man, now I'm not sure who I should choose...you'd all be good choices  15:31, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Have you chosen your replacement? 12:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Planned and Hosted Join.me Events
Kay so I was talking it over with some others and we were thinking about creating planned join.me events. These will be events on join me to help multiple people on broad topics. I have created a table system and some guidelines to plan the events.


 * Only four events on the table at once. Only mentors are allowed to host join.me events. More than one of the same event can be hosted as sometimes people might not be able to attend the event. All times on the table must be in the wiki clock time. Please plan your event less than a week before it occurs in order to not take up space on the table but sooner than the day before so that people are a where that the event is occurring.
 * Anyone who wishes to participate in the event must ask for a link to the host's join.me via chat personal message and they must use their wiki username at their viewer name on join.me. To change your name, click participants button and click on the orange name, then change Viewer(whatever number you are) to your username. Proper conduct must be held during the event and viewers may only come on with the intention to learn. Hosts have the right to refuse to give a link to their join.me and to kick people out of the event. If something comes up, hosts have the right to terminate the event as it is taking place. To download join.me click here.

Thoughts? Suggestions? 21:18 Sat Jun 23

I like this. It sounds both fun and educational. I think there should be a way to approve sessions, though. Otherwise you might end up with shading tutorials like every week. XP Breeze  whisker  21:44, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Mounty! This is an amazing idea! 8DDDD I agree with this; it could prove very useful. 21:48, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you 8D I kinda thought about that, maybe a checklist that has various subjects list this?

Shading
 * tabby
 * tortoiseshell
 * cream
 * white
 * black

There would be other headings for other topics but that's an example. It could be refreshed say every month or so? 21:51 Sat Jun 23

Mounty, this is awesome! My apprentices and I do this from time to time, but I love how this is all planned out. <3 21:53, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Looks epic to me. And y'all know which style I'll help out with. Black cats are epic. <3

I could help out with tortoiseshell? 01:17, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Epic idea Mounty! 8DDD Just a suggestion, dunno if it's necessary (could be optional) but maybe on a users user-subpage, they could explain in detail approximately what they are going to show to everyone. Eg. say someone had the topic of "Shading tricks", they could include tweaking shading that is overblurred, needs to be blurred etc, secondary shading, shading styles and so on. Just so users know what exactly to look for, and they could include at what time those things will be explained. And this is going by UTC time, correct? e.e

And I could actually do shading styles, or possibly tabbies. 01:29, 24, 06, 2012

This is a wonderful idea. However, I'm curious about co-hosts or having other users who will be kind of "back seat driving" such as how are we going to handle that. As for the checklist, I think it should be open all the time so newer users can post topics they want to see. 01:53, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes it's UTC time. There's kinda that type of thing on the tutorials. And I guess people who want to help out the host can if they want to. It's really up to whoever is hosting it if they want someone to help them or not but they don't need to put them on the table. 02:22 Sun Jun 24

Love it! This can be very useful to beginners and mentors and their apprentices. I'll make sure to pop in to one of them if this works out. c:  03:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a very phenomenal idea. I have a much easier time visually showing someone something as opposed to trying to explain it. I could show them anything, I'm good with all kinds of cats. Just let me know  03:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds great! I'm willing to help out. I'm decent with most cats. ;) 14:09, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help with torties, solids and line tabbies. 17:36, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe there should be a column on the chart of what photo editing/painting program is going to be used? Also, I'd be willing to help out with classic/swirly tabbies, bi-colored cats, and tweaking tabbies. =) 17:51, June 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that is necessary to have a program column. This is for broad topics that is for all programs, that's why it's open to everyone. This is meant to help out all members, not just new ones. And you guys don't need to say what you plan on doing here before a vote has even passed -.- you can do whatever you want when you feel like it. 17:56 Sun Jun 24

Could we also show how to edit lineart and add scars? 14:46, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I had that in mind too. The sample checklist was just a few examples. That would be one of the topics. 16:02 Mon Jun 25

Could anyone edit the checklist just in case we miss a topic, and if it's not good then someone can revert it. Just a thought~. 09:24, 26, 06, 2012

Just like how anyone can add little things to the guidelines, any one can add things to the checklist, they can always be reverted. 17:06 Tue Jun 26

This is a great idea, Mounty. I don't have anything contributive to add to it, but I do like it. 19:51, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if I can contribute much either, but if there's anything i can do, i'd like to try it out =) 23:15, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

Another Bluestar alt.
In Cats of the Clans, Bluestar was shown as a pure blue cat instead of blue-gray. Would she get an alt? If so, I totally call her. 23:58, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so, since blue, blue-grey aren't many shades off. 01:16, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, too similar. 02:18, 05, 07, 2012

When we redid her leader for that reason, we decided against it. Sorry  16:33, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah...'Blue' is not a natural pelt color for cats. Yes, blue-gray is, but not blue, so there would not be a reason to have that alt. 16:41, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Remember me? Anybody?
I've gone inactive. I had no Internet connection for a while, and before that, of course, I "lost my vigour" for the Wiki. So now, I'm going to try and be a little active, at the least. Just a reminder that I'm not deceased...

...yet. 02:45, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

I remember you, and that's fine. Understandable. 16:32, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Lark Alt?
x) Lark was first described as a pale tabby she-kit, but then on page 146 of Sign of the Moon, Lark is said to look liek Stormfur. So does that mean her current image should be gray, or stay the color it is now and have a solid colored alt, or is Brook just commenting on her similarity to her father's sturdy body? 17:17, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

By "like Stormfur", it could mean the way she's built. Unless there's a clear confirmation that she's gray, she's going to stay the default brown. 17:20, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it could mean anything. So I don't believe we have enough information for her to have an alt. 17:23, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

You can tweak/redo it because it's your image
Okay guys. As probably most of you know, people nominate their own image to be redone and tweaked just because they personaly don't like it. I'm sorry, but I don't think that's neccessary. If images are redone/tweaked without reason ("Your image, so you get to tweak/redo it" is not a valid reason), it takes up file space, and just adds to the tweak page.

Project Character Art is supposed to provide character articles with quality art, but I don't think we should be creating/tweaking/redoing art just out of the opinion of the OA.

So, I propose that all images should be redone or tweaked for a valid reason. 04:01, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think I've ever voted for an image that didn't need tweaked/redone. Some that the OA's propose I just ignore if I don't agree because I don't want to get into the "it's their image, they can do what they want" dillema, but yeah, I feel that some images have no good reason to be done. I've seen wonderful tabbies redone only because the person is "better" at them, stripe style and a personal dislike of it is actually a guideline against nominating an image. 05:13, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I don't think personal dislike is a good reason for an image to be tweaked... if it needs to be tweaked then yes, it should be, but as Ivy said, there are great images out there that get tweaked for most likely an invalid reason. So I agree. 06:16, 09, 07, 2012

Some of mine, I redid because not only I knew I could do better, but there were also other issues with the images. I think that the OA should have //some// control over whether or not they chose to tweak one of their own images. However, there needs to be a limit as to what should be tweaked and what shouldn't be.

I believe it should matter on the people whom are voting - if a majority of the leads believe that it is fine, then it stays. I also think that an OA should have some control - and if it /does/ qualify for a tweak, the OA can add on more if they wish, and if it's necessary. 16:17, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Leaving
I'm leaving PCA and the wiki. I'll stay until Leafstar gets approved.... if she gets approved =( so... um... bye, I guess? If I do edit, it'll be to the mainspace. 15:33, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

No! Ivy!! You can't leave! I'll miss you too much! You better be active on WSW so we can talk! I'll really miss you, May StarClan Light Your Path!! 15:51, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Ivy... I will miss you so so so so much. Please edit a page or two on WCCRPW so I can see ya. ;) 16:20, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Aww... bye Storm, sorry to hear that. May StarClan light your path and hope you can rejoin soon. :) 00:51, 12, 07, 2012

D: Bye Ivy, we'll all miss you! If its okay i'm asking, why are you leaving? (Just curious) -- 10:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's fine, Raven =) something has just... come up in life that I need to take care of. 15:16, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Crowfeather alt
On page 308 of TLH and somewhere in Twilight, Crowfeather was called black. Should he get an alt?

Before you say anything, I remember Blackclaw getting an alt for being called dark gray. And this is pretty much the same only swiched.

If he does, I call it. 21:41, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

-sigh- Crowfeather is almost black. Not exactly, but very close to black. As you can see, it's in his trivia. Black and almost black is too simillar. 21:53, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

No, he doesn't get one. It's not two shades of color. And Bluestar, you need to stop saying that "you call it". It's first come, first serve, on all images.

Then it that case, nobody can claim images when they're nominating them for tweaks and redos. She called attention to it, it only makes since that she should have dibs. Breeze whisker  18:28, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

That's a different story, imho. You're going to fix an image, not claim an entirely new one. e.e

I dunno, I don't think it's that big of a deal. If Bluestar finds an alternate, then she should be the one to do it... Just my opinion. 01:40, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that I realize. But it's extremely redundant that someone "calls an image", when they're not even sure if the alt is able to be made or not. It's not that big of a deal, yes...but it's kinda annoying. Perhaps if we said, "yes, the alt can be made" and then they called it, that would be fine with me.

I think it's fine if she says she wants it, but I just wouldn't say "I call it"... Just my opinion. 19:19, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, Cloudy, that makes sense. Ask for it after it's been allowed.

I agree with Cloudy, just saying I call it is like jumping the gun when you don't even know if an alt's necessary. 00:54, 12, 07, 2012

Agreed. However, if she shouldn't call alts then we should not be calling images when a new book comes out. e.e Because, just like it may not be known if an alt is necessary so calling it would be kinda redundant; same goes with calling out a image when we don't know if the character gets an image or not. 02:51, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mistystar Alt Warrior
In the alligiences of "A Dangerous Path" and "The Darkest Hour," Mistyfoot is call a gray she-cat with blue eyes. I checked her page, and she didn't get alts for her warrior image, but her deputy leader did for the same discription. Wouldn't that warrent an alt? 17:47, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I guess if her leader got it, then the warrior would. 17:55, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I thought Bluestar's gray alts got removed? 17:57, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, they didn't. 17:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Bluestar's plain gray alt got removed. 18:00, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't Mistystar's plain gray alts be removed as well, then? 18:01, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the plain gray alts should go, but not the light/dark ones. Those are two shades, while the normal gray ones are not.

Guess who~
Hi everyone, I decided to rejoin- that is if you let me. ;D I've been lurking around for quite some time now due to the frequent talk about the wiki on Skype, and some of you may have seen me on the chat. So... Um... This'll be fun. c: 20:38, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

ilu Roo<3 20:39, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hai Roo, m'dear. Welcome back. <333