Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Cats of the Park
Right, PC has made it that Cats of the Park is it's own rank. I think now it's for PCA to decide about the charart. Do we make a new one? Use the loner/rogue blank? I also think that giving the loner blank a little tweak, (like the Clan leader and healer blanks or something) is not a bad idea either. 05:16, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Loner 07:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I think loner would be more appropriate than rogue 12:50, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I agree that a loner should be used, but maybe we could do a small edit so it's noticeable that it's from the CotP. 12:53, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

For some reason I keep on thinking about giving them ribbons. I agree with that, but what should we edit? Maybe make their tail higher? Or make all four of their paws on the ground?? 13:18, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Possibly - or the neck could be raised, so that the cat is looking up. 19:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

We should definitely use the loner blank. And I like Sorrel's idea of having the cat looking up. 20:57, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe we can tweak the loner a bit to look like they are meditating a bit. Maybe legs a little straighter and on the ground like Bramblesnow's idea, or Sorreltail's idea where they are looking up. (with eyes closed?? So they actually look in meditation?) 23:02, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, i like Sorrel's idea. Perhaps we could just have the cats looking up with all their paws on the ground? I don't know, it seems to diferintiate it a little more. Im up for whatever ya'll decide to do, though. 23:31, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, the cats looking up is a good idea, however is it possible for us to confuse the loner blanks and the modified versions? 0:12 Fri Apr 17

If they aren't loners, actually, they shouldn't get loner blanks, in my opinion. 00:20, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

True. I thought of that before, that they do live together (aka not alone), but Ravenpaw, Barley and Jingo's group all used the loner blank as well. Anyway, if the loner's heads are raised with four paws on the ground, that'll just be exactly like the to-be blank. 00:55, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Why tweak the loners? They aren't loners. Also, if we tweak the loners we would need Mounty's permission, which she isn't active anymore. 02:36, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, that would be difficult if the OA isn't around. Maybe a new blank is a better way, because they are not really "alone" and certaintly not rogues. 04:11, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

As I said, Jingo's group got loner blanks too, so I think it's kinda... yea. But then I don't think we should stop things just because a user is no longer active - I'm not trying to offense anyone, but that's true. 08:38, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

We need the OA's permission to tweak a blank- I think that's the rule. And the loner blank would be used on loners, which they aren't 11:46, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

You don't need to OA's permission to tweak a blank. It's the same ruling for PCA images- once they're posted to PCA's pages, they belong to PCA, letting us do with them as we wish. Otherwise, we'd need to ask permission to tweak for shorter tails, ripped ears, ect. If they can be tweaked, then do so. I can tell you though that Jenrock isn't really going to care and she doesn't have any of the files she had when she was active here.

I'm against tweaking the loner blank for the cats of the parks, but that's just me. 06:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should, the CotP remind me of BloodClan in the way they are being presented as a group. (if that makes any sense. Probably not) Anyway, I was thinking we could modify the Loner blank by moving the legs so it looks like they are standing instead of walking, moving the lifted paw up higher, having them look up, and maybe changing the position of the tail just for kicks. 15:30, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should either use the loner blanks for them or make untimely new blanks. I'm not totally for a new blank, because they aren't a extremely main group, not appearing in most every book or anything, but if that is what we need to do, I won't mind, but if it was up to me I would give them loner blanks. I don't want to tweak the loner blanks either though. 😞 ~  Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  22:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

If they're that distinct to have their own rank, then I think we should just create a blank for them rather than tweaking an existing one. 04:26, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, I can see your point, and I don't disagree with it. However, there are only two cats (Arc and Ripple) who are CotP cats with descriptions who would ever use it. But then again, there are only four healers... 23:59, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

If they're a distinct rank that means they get a new blank. They're in no way related to the Clans other than River or an equivalent to a rank in the Clans like the leaders and Healers. 21:00 Wed Jun 17 2015

Can we get some comments on this??

Tbh I don't think there's much point. Since there's only two of them, it seems a little pointless, and I think people may fight over who gets them. 15:29, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's better to just use the loner blank, to be honest, since that's what they basically are. 15:57, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Always agreed with what Beebs just said.

Looking over this, even if they are a distinct rank, I have to agree with Sorrel 23:55, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

There's really no need to have an actual "Cats of the Park" blank. It should be a loner blank. 01:15, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

If they are a distinct rank that means they should get a new blank. I'd also like to point out that healers only have like, 3 cats and soft paws have, 4. 16:06, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

If you count alts, there are 5 SPs and 8 healers, I checked. There will only ever be two of these cats. As long as we make the CotP a little different, I don't see a problem, we don't need a whole new blank. I feel that if we make a new blank, there will likely be at least some sort of a fight over who gets them. 17:37, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

I still think that if they are a distinct rank, they should get a new blank. But to maintain the peace in PCA... I'd honestly rather go with loner blanks if it means no more fighting. 17:41, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

We shouldnt rule out a blank just to avoid arguing over who gets what. Its first come, first serve, just as its always been. The main page's edit history will show who reserved first, therefore there really wouldn't be anything to fight against, showing as the proof is right there. As I said before, im sticking to it. If they're distinct enough to have their own rank, then they should get them. Number of cats getting it shouldn't be a factor, since the healers and softpaws only have a handful. 21:31, July 12, 2015 (UTC)

Have we decided what to do with this? If not, I suggest archiving it and come back at a later date, since the argument is going both ways.

I sort of agree with Breezeheart, and i stand by my old opinion that they should get new blanks, regardless of the amount of cats that would use them. 03:58, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I say new blank, regardless of how many cats we use it on. Who knows? One of the authors might released the description of Dart, Shine or Flutter. 04:17, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Good point Stealth ^^ and yes, I agree distinct ranks should get distinct blanks, and I guess people will still want the images if they're on a tweaked blanks... I'm honestly kind of conflicted, but I would support making a new blank. 23:59, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Have we come to an agreement on this? 04:28, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Apprentice Tutorials
So I see that they are being "re-vamped", but no one is even touching them, can someone please explain what is going on? 08:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Im not sure, to be honest. I think the project is just trying to get the main objectives (the chararts needed for articles) out of the way beforehand, so were able to put all of our focus into the tutorials. Thats what i thought we were doing, anyway. 16:58, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not unlocking that page. People were posting tutorials without permission, and tbh, a lot of them still have outdated information. We should sit and talk about what we'll do, because otherwise, I will not lift the protection for the page.

I think we should have a tutorial approval page, and maybe agree on which tutorials need updating? 00:49, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Ehh...kinda sounds like a lot of work, but I'm not totally against it. I think it should still be locked, but have some people submit some tutorials to snowy or beebs, and then they can upload it on there themselves. Storm &#9835;  00:51, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with above :) Also, I think some tutorials are still needed.

I think in the last discussion, tabbers were mentioned, yet not necessarily fully laid out. I'd say there'd just be tabbers concerning different types of patterns, with the foremost one being basics (shading, placement, eyes, earpink color, etc). As for "approval", many of the final products from the tutorials (finished cats), realistically, would not pass approval. The "tutorial approval page" would probably just be the talk page of the tutorials and would just need a vote, if we even wanted approval to that extent. 01:23, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Contents that are kind of new (texture, smudged shading etc) are still missing in the tutorial page.

Alright, what's going on with this? Honestly, I think we need to approve each tutorial before it goes on the page. It's not good to be teaching people methods that aren't entirely true (some of the older images have even said that using pure white is forbidden, for example; this has been proven false), or older methods that are no longer in practice. Including texture would be interesting, as would including smudged shading.

We definitely need to have them updated, they are pretty outdated, and I support adding new tutorials like texture. I agree with Atelda that we should use the talk page of the tutorials as the approval page, that way it won't clutter any of the other PCA pages. 14:45, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

So far I see the following could be updated/added:

-The shading placement tutorial needs to be redone, with the new blanks and the redone blanks. Some of the placement is wrong too.

-Texture tutorials

-Pupil placement needs a revamp

-Based on our current standard of how we do shading, most of the shading tutorials could be improved a little, but not necessarily redone.

-There should most definitely be more tutorials focused on different types of torties.

-Smudged shading tutorial

-Tweaking the color of an image

-Fixing the texture

04:06, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. However, I do think the pupil placement tutorial is fine, other than the fact it needs to be updated with new blanks. I also think the black and white tutorials could be updated; as Snow pointed out the white tutorial says you can't use pure white, and the black cat looks kind of dark gray. 16:02, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

I've already created an updated version of the pupil placement, more for myself but hopefully it's good enough to be added to the page. I agree with texture and smudged shading needs to be added and updated, and also white and black cats tutorials too. Also the colour against the ear pink, does that need updating? 21:42, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

We should do this. Totally - those tutorials have helped me so much when I first started, but I didn't realize almost half of the images don't have light sources (and problems like that).

Can we have some comments? 06:51, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Everyone seems to be agreeing. And I do too, it would really help our new members if we put more attention to the tutorials. 07:09, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Hollyleaf Alt
Alright, so since ive been told to post this here, I'd say Hollyleaf needs an alt. It was noted in Leafpool's Wish that she was named to be as dark as holly bark, but if you look here you'll see that holly bark is not so dark. Ashen gray, is probably the closest color this is. It is nowhere /near/ black. Since I think it was mainly talking about her in kit rank, then the kit should be given the alt. If you guys think any other rank needs the alt as well, feel free to mention it.

Also given that if this passes and she does go for an alt, I'd like to have it, as well as us removing the 'holly branch-like fur' part in her description. 03:20, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

they were just saying she has dark fur? you can compare something to something else without saying it's the same colour, you know. so I'm saying no. 09:05, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Can we also not try and claim art before we've decided if she gets it or not? Seriously, it doesn't matter if you're the one that suggested or anything- it's first come, first serve. I also agree with David on this one.

Yeah, no. This is just another excuse for more images. Nobody checking this wiki for info would likely know that holly bark is dark or light or what. She doesn't need the alt. 11:36 Tue Jul 14

Then if thats the case, we at least need to take it off her description as it is false 12:28, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

The description part goes to PC, not PCA. I don't know if you brought it there or not, but if you haven't, that's where you need to go. We do not handle the descriptions in PCA, only the art.

The description part is for PC. How many times have I said this? AS dark AS holly bark, meaning her fur is darker than holly bark. That could mean a multiple of colours, including black. 21:50, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Where in the wide, wide world of Equestria did you get "as dark as holly bark, making her fur is darker"? That isn't true - not in the slightest. As dark as holly bark means that her fur is the same color as holly bark. Not lighter, not darker. 16:19, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Erm. I change my mind. That was dumb. Basically she's not holly bark. She's black. I take that back. Whoops. Don't yell at me. 16:21, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thistleclaw Description
so I'm proposing a tweak for Thistleclaw as: "In The Rise of Scourge, he is depicted as having a dark foreleg, tail, and back foot, a white tail tip, a white marking on his muzzle, and white markings around his eyes.[21]" like, who's to say he doesn't have those? I know graphic images are usually...inaccurate, I guess, but still, there's nothing contradicting he doesn't have those. so. yeah. 16:03, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

I think we've agreed in the past already that we dont match the Manga descriptions. This is the exact reason Leafstar was shot down for a redo so many times, along with quite a few other characters. 00:44, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

But then - why wouldn't we go with the manga descriptions? They're apart of the books. They are canon - just as canon as the super editions, field guides, etc. Should it matter if they have many errors? The books have many errors. The mangas are apart of the Warriors world. So what if the images are incorrect? It's basically the same with the field guides. I c  i  l  o  o    23:53, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

They're not manga- they're graphic novels. And we don't use them as canon because half of them don't even show a character correctly. I don't see any reason why we should match them. Plus, they're also in grayscale, so we don't know what color they are- I think the only mistakes that should be considered mistakes are if tabbies (like Sharpclaw) are shown as solid colored cats, or if a dark gray cat (Plumwillow) is shown as a very light pale gray, or something along those lines.

I think the alt should be removed, to be honest. 09:39, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

I second Burnt's idea- if Thistleclaw got an alt for how hes shown in the manga, then the same could go for Leafstar, Tigerstar (cream tabby), etc. 04:27, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Leader blank anatomy
Hi, i just wanted to point out that the right foreleg, (our left) is a bit too thin to be an actual leg. Ill suggest a redline for anyone who needs explanation, but i just wanted to get my two cents in. Thoughts? 02:34, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Tweaking a blank is not the same as tweaking an image- If we tweak a blank, all of the leader images would need to be tweaked, which in this case, I think this is a little too minor to warrant a tweak. 03:08, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, its too minor to require a tweak to every leader image on this site. The blanks don't have to be 100% perfect. 04:25, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Tribe of Endless Hunting Base?
You can ignore this, but I think we should have a base for the Tribe of Endless Hunting.

What do you guys think? NeonDawn (talk) 08:17, July 31, 2015 (UTC)NeonDawn

I think the only reason we never gave them a blank is that we don't know enough about them to properly represent them? We also gave StarClan blanks because they didn't really keep their ranks after death, but I can't remember if the Tribe of Endless Hunting do or not..

I'm pretty sure I remember someone (either Kate or Vicky) saying that the Tribe keep their ranks post-death. 11:50, July 31, 2015 (UTC)