Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Previous/Next
Okay, so on the chapter subpages should there be links up at the top of the page, probably under the page numbers, linking to the next and previous chapter in the book? A bit like how there's the preceeded by/followed by bit on the main book pages. I know you could just scroll down to the bottom to find the link, but some of these chapters end up having quite a bit of content in them. 00:23, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind that suggestion, actually. and for lazy people like me who can't be bothered to scroll from here to the moon and back... Anyone else? 05:09, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea, too. And I admit, I'm a lazy bum and would use this. 12:11 Thursday November 29 2012

I'm in support of this. ouo 19:44, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... I like this idea. Could we make a template for it, or, just manually enter the chapters. Personally, I think a template would be easier, unless that's not possible. I'm not exactly sure. Regardless, I /do/ like the idea and think we should use it. Like Leggo, I'm lazy as all hell.

I love this, perhaps a template saying what chapter you're on and whar chapter is before and after. x3 21:36, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Well, with that ^ why not just make one of those infoboxes so that you just plug in the information, but with the name of the book, then the chapter out of how many, then the pages, then the POV, and then finally the previous and next chapters? Basically, what we already put just in a tidy box. I think that would look nice, although I have nothing against what's already there.

If we don't want to do that I think just putting something like a left-aligned previous chapter, bolded current chapter, and a right-aligned next chapter at the very top of the page or right before the summary. 19:00, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

I support this. Totallynotalazyderp. Anyways, a template would probably make things easier, and show us what chapter subpages still need to be made. 21:19, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

(thought I commented on this, derp) Hmm. Since we have a navigation template already in place, I'd say this wouldn't hurt. I see things like this all the time on other wikis, and they'll often have a "previous" and "next" link all the time... Maybe we could incorporate this with the main arcs as well

I'm actually intrigued about the infobox for the chapters, or in other words, I decided to make use of my time and make this.

I can insert the contents into the template, it just won't work in my sandbox, and the title won't say "Atelda" but rather the base page name. It's just an idea. o3o 19:21, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Ooooh, I like that idea, 'teldy. I'm totally for it. What about the rest of you guys?

Oooh, I like that, too. -for it- Anyone else? 03:27, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, I'm all for it! Would really help the pages seem more organized and be a good way of getting all the info in easily.

Hmm...since there hasn't been any opposition to this, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's okay to continue on with 'teldy's idea. Final calls for comments, anyone? If not, I'm going to ask we implement this idea.

Nomination Limit
Title says it all, guys. I was talking with Leggo, and realized that we don't actually have a set number for this, like PC, PW, and PR do with their nominations. I mean, I don't even think we have a set limit. So, taking into consideration the quote nominations, the subpage nominations, and the article nominations, what should the official limit be?

Leggo and I were thinking between five and seven, since the project is small and honestly, we only have a few active members. Of course, you should really only take on as many nominations as you can handle, and the number above would be a maximum only. Not the number you should have up at a time. I know it seems like a lot, but if you take into account the fact that the subpages don't really take as much time as a character article (  unless you're 'teldy, Duck, or I, and write at a million miles a minute. ilu guys. xD   you should able able to handle more than one at a time.

So, yeah. We were thinking that we should really set an actual limit, that way people are aware how many total nominations they're allowed to have at a given time. This would take into account the quote, subpage, and article nominations, just to remind you. This would also have a vote (I think), and go into the guidelines. Soooo, comments everyone?

And I agree with Cloudy and Leggy on this one. When I joined, I was literally surfing the guidelines like, "Doesn't this project have some sort of nomination limit?" like the other projects did. And I like the number that Cloudy and Leggy came up with. Since I myself was looking for a limit, and the other projects do it, why not?  21:52 Thursday December 6 2012

(Skye you started a sentence at the end of your second paragraph, got into tiny font, and never finished it ouo) But, yes, we already discussed this, and I agree- five-seven nominations per person at a time, at the maximum. And it should go into the guidelines after an approved vote. 05:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shut up, I'll finish it. x.x I'm tired. Yeah, anyways. You got my point, though.

-brofists- ilu2 xD I'd agree to five to seven. In fact, I'd strongly recommend doing five, because it's true that, on average, subpages, quotes, and article nominations take a shorter amount of time, but I'm positive people will max out and not be able to complete all their nominations which makes it a pain in the rump to the leads and sometimes to other users. Seven is fine, but the I'd think it'd be best to have a warning of something like:
 * Users are allowed to have only seven nominations up (nominations including quotes, articles, and chapter subpages) but it is highly recommended you should only have five unless you can handle it. Should a nomination go inactive from a user that has more than five nominations up, that nomination, after a week, shall be declined and archived.

Or something along those lines. Of course, there's also the option where you can limit certain nominations which is also a great possibility. For example:
 * Users are only allowed to have one article nomination (which includes cliffnotes, allegiances, and the book article (or whatever you want to call it) ), three chapter subpage nominations, and three quote nominations.

The numbers are adjustable and it's whatever the project wants, but those are what I think would be best for entering into the guidelines a set number of nominations. 06:07, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

I was actually going to suggest that 'Teldy, having the nomination limit separated for the seperate nominations sounds wonderful, I agree with one article, three chapter subpage and three quote. owo 03:52, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oooh, I like that option a tad more. One article, three chapter subpages, and three quotes sounds like a fair amount to me. Anyone else? 15:40, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well considering how few active PB members there are, and how many chapter subpages need to be done, I personally don't think those should have a limit at all. We have so much to be done, why limit the amount that can get done with the amount of users we have? I like the idea of splitting up the limits on the other kinds of nominations though. 15:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the only thing I do want limited is the amount of normal nominations a user can do at a time, and since there are very few of them that even need to be touched (I think the only ones being the ones for Cloudstar's Journey, and once the Dawn of the Clans books are released...   So yeah, anyways. Perhaps only limiting the normal nominations would be a good idea...and since subpages don't really take all that long to do... Not limiting those might be for the best.

I keep forgetting how small the project's become. .-. ....yeah, I guess not having a limit on subpages would be fine, considering the size of our project, how many need to be done, and the fact they're so simple to do. I like the limits on the other things, but subpages can remain limitless. 17:57, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Okay what's going on with this, guys?

Mmm....I don't think it'll be okay to not have a limit on the subpages. I mean, yes while there's so many that need to be done and plenty for everyone, I think it may overload the project. Right now even, there are eleven nominations up, and only one out of those eleven have been commented on. I'd rather see people commenting, even just saying "This looks great, I have no critiques" than seeing lackluster silver nominations. Even looking now, a 5-7 limit on subpage nominations seems quite a lot for the lack of activity. 18:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the boost in nominations...well..that certainly changes things. A limit would be nice, now that people are actually nominating things xD The 5-7 limit seems reasonable, and I'm not opposed to it. 03:18, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

(Lol, meeee) I'm not opposed to it either, it's a reasonable limitation~ 23:16, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to it either, and think it's a wonderful idea. I say we go with that, instead of the lacking comments. I'm going to start back up with this after I get full internet back, doing what I can right now

Books With No Praise
In the cases of mangas like Shattered Peace, Into The Woods and their respective sucessors, there is literally no praise. Since the Ravenpaw's Path mangas have been sitting on the concerns lists for some time now for needing praise, I'm wondering whether we should remove them off the list, or use reviews from amazon.com or goodreads.com. Thoughts? 11:28 Mon Mar 11

Hm, well, I think we should use the reviews of Amazon, but depending on who does the actual reviewing, I'm not sure. I think we should remove them off the list if they have no praise x3 (I could check my copies of Warriors Manga to see if they have praise.) 17:00, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

(Bird, you do that...I don't own any of the manga) If there's no praise, I think we should go with the reviews on amazon or goodreads....I mean, rather have at least something over nothing. If no one else likes that idea, I wouldn't mind removing them, either. 03:13, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I checked my Manga's, and they don't have praise anywhere (Except Erin's little summary at the start of them) So I think we should do the reviews on Amazon, but whatever anyone thinks is best. 17:02, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Which reviews are we actually talking about? On amazon, there's the editorial review which dictates nothing about the specific book and then there's the customer's review. I'd rather see the praise removed there's the major issue of picking and choosing which review to represent. It would be completely biased to pick the five star rating, yet it'd be unwise to choose the one-two star ratings. We'd also probably have to go to the author of that review should we finally choose it, and ask if we can use their name on this wiki because we cannot just withhold information to our audience and vaguely explain where this critique was from. I'd rather see absolutely no praise, than go through all the trouble figure out which review to use (which by the way, is not necessarily praise) and then find the author and see if we can willingly use their personal information on this site. 16:48, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure we should really have the praise at all, unless it's found on the physical books themselves, or the HarperCollins website. With the books, they're published and released on a world-wide basis, so using a name or company that we see on there wouldn't require permission, I believe. And with companies like Barnes and Nobel, Borders, Amazon, and eBay, we don't know if the praise is actually praise, or just a review, as they're rarely ever specified. Unless it's specifically stated, I don't think we should use it at all.

Would Erin's little summary count? If it did, that's awesome, if not, then I guess we shouldn't really have praise on the manga's, since review and praise are different (I think, derp ) 20:26, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure the summaries count, as it's just a recollection of what happened before, or at least I think that's what that's about. I'm not sure, as I really didn't pay much attention to the graphic novels. I may have them, but I've rarely ever seen any praise for them.

Ah, okay, the graphic novels do not have legit praise then (No harm is asking right x3), I think we should just leave the praise out then. x3 22:58, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, there might be praise out there somewhere, Bird. It's just a matter of finding it, and what counts as praise, and what doesn't. Reviews, imho, do not count as praise, since I think they often cover not just one book at a time. Some of the reviews I've read talk more about a specific arc, or the series in general, and are just repeated multiple times.

Perhaps we should just remove the praise from the articles in general?

I wouldn't object to removing the praise in general, honestly all praise is biased in some way anyway, and if we can't have it on every book article, then we shouldn't have it on some. 04:43, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

I just randomly stumbled across this today. I just thought I'd let you guys know that in the publishing world, praise generally refers to comments from respected and reliable sources (e.g. newspapers, other authors, publishers etc.). Therefore I would suggest not using amazon/goodreads reviews unless they are from an official source. I think that if there is 'official' praise for a book then it makes a nice addition to the book article, but there is nothing to stop you from removing the praise section for books where there is none available. It's nice to see this project still going strong. 19:36, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, my goodness. Thank you, Sandy~! Praise from you is something that I'm glad we got.

Okay guys, should we go through and check the praise on the articles to make sure that they're from official sources? If not, I think they should be removed. Something along the lines of what's shown on the back of the Warriors books is fine with me, but everything else should be checked and made sure it's reliable.

Comments, guys?

I agree with you^. We should go check the praises so we can verify they're from reliable sources, first of all.. 01:12, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fire and Ice/Chapter 4 ~ CBV
I am sorry if this breaks my five nomination limit (Unless it was only for the actual fixing and CBV'ing proces, then this is awkward arg I'm confused) So I'm going to get this one out of the way anyways, comments? 22:28, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Combine paragraphs and as well drift away from simple sentences and try to include better vocabulary. 03:46, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Done. 17:08, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

CBV?

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 4 ~ CBV
Turns out Chapter 3 was already done, so here's Chapter 4. Comments?  12:57 Sunday April 14 2013

Please vary the sentence structure and use synonyms for the mundane, cliché words. 03:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

I used synonyms, and how should I change some sentences for variety?  22:07 Friday April 26 2013


 * For example, an excerpt from the first paragraph:


 * When the chapter starts, Lionblaze is returning from a battle training bout with Blossomfall and Foxleap. Blossomfall asks if she hurt Lionblaze with her complicated move, and Lionblaze tells her he should have been quicker to avoid it. Cinderheart pads up to them and purrs that he looks like he went through the thorn barrier backwards. The two are making their way up to the fresh-kill pile when some cat yowls for Firestar. Sorreltail, Berrynose, Bumblestripe, and Hazeltail are running into camp with Ivypool and Birchfall following slowly. Lionblaze demands if they are under attack. Firestar, Sandstorm, Dustpelt, and Brackenfur make their way over to the six cats.


 * And then revisions that I'd like to see or something along the lines of it.


 * As Lionblaze returns from a battle training bout with Blossomfall and Foxleap, Blossomfall asks if she had hurt Lionblaze with her complicated move in which Lionblaze responds by mentioning that he should have been quicker in avoiding it. Cinderheart pads up to them commenting on Lionblaze's appearance purring that he looks like he went through the thorn barrier backwards. When the two make their way up to the fresh-kill pile, they hear someone yowl for Firestar as they observe Sorreltail, Berrynose, Bumblestripe, and Hazeltail running into camp with Ivypool and Birchfall following slowly. Lionblaze demands if they are under attack while Firestar, Sandstorm, Dustpelt, and Brackenfur make their way over to the six cats.

They're not major changes, but it limits the amount of simple sentences and (at least I think) makes it flow way better. 22:03, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Teldy, I fixed a lot of the sentences and saw they flowed better and the simple sentences were pretty much obliterated.  21:27 Wednesday May 1 2013

From I can tell, I see nothing wrong c:. Nice job! Bb un   legs  01:50, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

CBV? (If my timing is correct) 19:16, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 5 ~ Silver Nomination
Here's another, so, any comments?  23:11 Tuesday April 23 2013

Great length, but widen the vocabulary and sentence structure. 03:48, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the sentence structure, I can't get to the vocab right now, sorry, but I fixed what I could. Yeah I have a pretty bad headache so I want to avoid trying to think too hard. x.x   00:51 Friday May 3 2013

Alright, fixed the vocabulary, sorry I couldn't get to it sooner.  00:04 Monday May 6 2013

CBV? 20:51, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Into the Wild/Chapter 11 - Silver Nomination
Comments? 22:17, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blend the paragraphs and make some of them bigger, and add the Mclist template to the Characters section on the Minor and Mentioned section? And could you maybe widen the vocabulary also? (Sorry if this is an overload of stuff...)  01:25 Monday May 6 2013

Into the Wild/Chapter 12 - Silver Nomination
Comments? 00:18, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

Could you expand the vocab a little, it seems like there are a lot of plain words in there.  01:28 Monday May 6 2013

The Sun Trail/Chapter 26 ~ Silver Nomination
My first PB nomination. Comments? Bb un   legs  21:41, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Looks great B! I guess put the template on the talk page to (Bronze I think, if it's done). Looks good lol. 23:09, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Done, anything else? C: Bb  un   legs  23:12, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Nice work, Beebs! I have no critiques, great job.  01:37 Monday May 6 2013

CBV? 23:09, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yellowfang's Secret - Quote Nomination
1. "How can ThunderClan be threatened by a ShadowClan medicine cat?" 2. "Death is part of life. Every good warrior goes to StarClan and that's a glorious place to end up." 3. "Raggedpelt deserves to know the truth. Whatever happens, nothing is more important than that, surely? I have to find out who his father is!" 4. "You could have killed us, but you chose not to. If that's what it means to live by your warrior code-that, and the fact that you feed yourselves, and find your own shelter-then we want to be part of it." 5. "Maybe being a warrior isn't the best use of you in ShadowClan. Maybe you should be a medicine cat." 6. "How can I believe that any kit should not have been born?" 7. "I will not listen to this! You are my medicine cat, Yellowfang, any your loyalty should only be to me and my warriors. Never question me again!" 8. "I know  my path will cross with Brokenstar's again. And one day I will do something to stop this tide of fire and blood that he has unleashed on the forest." ​I tried to get some of the most notable parts of the book. x3 If you need anymore I'll get them. I like 2, 4, 5, and 8. What do you guys think? owo 20:52, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Featherpaw about Molepelt's omen
 * Page 6
 * ​Littlebird to Yellowpaw about Silverflame's death
 * ​Page 56
 * ​Yellowpaw thinking of Raggedpelt's father
 * ​Page 87
 * ​Boulder about he and Red's desire to join ShadowClan
 * ​Page 144
 * ​Sagewhisker to Yellowfang about Brokenstar
 * ​Page161
 * Yellowfang's thoughts after she has kits
 * ​Page 322
 * ​Raggedpelt to Yellowfang about Brokenstar
 * ​Page 415
 * ​Yellowfang after her banishment from ShadowClan
 * ​Page 501

I like 5, 6, and 8 a lot x3. 20:56, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I personally like #8. I haven't read that book yet, but judging by the title, #8 fits the best with what the book is talking about. .Jasmine555. (talk) 22:09, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I love 2, 4, 6, and 8. xDDD All even numbers  22:51 Tuesday May 7 2013

So, CBV? 01:08, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 6 ~ Silver Nomination
I just fixed the sentence structure, but the rest of the subpage has been done for quite some time. So, comments?  23:10 Tuesday May 7 2013

The Forgotten Warrior/Chapter 7 ~ Silver Nomination
I did a bit of work on this, not all, though, and it seems a bit short, but that might just be me, since it captures the chapter well. So, comments?  21:30 Wednesday May 8 2013

June FA?
Holy crap is it almost June already? o3o So yeah, ideas anyone?

Hm, should we have another Adventure game? Or maybe one of the main books that haven't had a feature yet (If they're completed of course lol and if there are any non featured books)  01:20, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

The adventure games are difficult to write a summary for. x.x I've tried before, and unless you've played them, it's kinda complicated. Another main book would be a good idea, and one that I'd agree with. Perhaps The Forgotten Warrior?

Yeah, that sounds awesome and less complicated to write a summary for x3, it's a pretty well-written article too x3. 18:53, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oh what halfway through the year /already?/  That went by fast. I like The Forgotten Warrior as the FA for June. And if I remember correctly it is set mostly in spring and summer, so that'll fit with the month of June itself. <span style=""> 20:42 Friday May 17 2013

The Forgotten Warrior sounds and looks good~ 02:27, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Another suggestion is Starlight. Since the Clans have reached their new home, that could represent the new season come June? I don't know, I also just love the book, but I also love The Forgotten Warrior. <span style=""> 23:55 Sunday May 19 2013

Starlight is a good suggestion as well, Tawny. It's a nice reason to do it, as well. It represents change, as with the changing seasons, the Clans need to change and adjust to their new home.

I'd like to get the vote up around Friday, so are there any other comments?