Warriors Wiki talk:Books

April Feature
We should start discussing the next feature; I hope to get enough feedback. What do you suggest? I propose a series book - for instance, Dawn. 16:44, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

A series book seems like an excellent idea. But, why not have one that has a longer summery? No offense, but it seems that Dawn is just a bit short. It's a fairly large book, and it just seems that there should be more there. Why not Sunrise or Rising Storm? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think both of these ideas are great. I'm okay with both of them. 11:00, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. :) There were several discussions about the plot length sections on main articles; personally I prefer shorter ones as they are supposed to be a quick overview of what the book is about, and not a lengthy narrative. However, seems that most people prefer longer summaries; so maybe I should go for those in the future. About your suggestions, Sunrise is not silver yet (and both the cliffnotes and the main article could use some work); however Rising Storm is OK and I support it. Kind regards, 13:43, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I did not know about Sunrise not being Silver grade yet. I'll have to go clean that up, I guess. I see where you're coming from about the shorter articles being easier to summarize, but, what I meant was when the people who visit WW to look something up, and they see the article, would they not be expecting something detailed when the click on the actual page's link. (If I'm coming off as rude, I'm sorry!) Cloud  skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 19:04, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then there are only Dawn and Rising Storm left,so... 23:15, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Helix? Which would you prefer? After all, you're temp leader. Cloud  skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 14:58, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * A leader's word weighs no more than a contributor's. ;) Anyway, it seems that all people are OK with Rising Storm, so I will put up the vote this weekend (we still have 2 weeks btw) - seems we won't get more input. 20:30, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up. 19:35, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is done. The article is now gold and April's feature article.  Skye Meow 16:47, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since it is already the 2nd, I have updated the feature box on the main page. Feel free to edit it if another description is preferred. Kind regards, 04:25, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, Helix. I would have done it myself, but I was away over the weekend. The summary looks fine for now, and if need be, we can change it.  Skye Meow 02:55, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sunrise - Silver Nomination
Yay! My first one! Now, I know that it's not ready yet, but, I was hoping that you guys could help me out, so I know exactly what needs to be done to fix the article. I'm currently working to fix the summary, since most the journey to find Sol is very shortened up, among other things. So, constructive comments? Any would be nice. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:34, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Great article. :) I added a publication list and fixed some references. Seems that praise cannot be found, unfortunately. I find the plot summary very long; even if we prefer longer summaries, I'd reduce it to half size... maybe not half, but somewhat shorter and more to the point.


 * Another issue is that the Cliffnotes, even if they are silver (were graded silver back last summer with the old criteria) are quite short; some chapters contain only two or three points - can those be expanded? Unfortunately I do not have the book, so I cannot help.


 * Kind regards, 20:30, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay. I'll get to fixing the Cliffnotes right away. As for the praise, I also looked around, and, alas, could find none. I'll shorten the summary, and the only reason I extended it, was because I felt that it skipped a few of the parts of the book. *goes off to clean up page* Cloud  skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:26, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the article. I really don't know what else can be taken out. I'm working on the Cliffnotes now - sorry for taking so long, I've been busy. (I knew having the book would be a good idea xD)  Skye Meow 20:50, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I extended a lot of the chapters in the Cliffnotes. Does it look better? I agree, a lot of them were very short...  Skye Meow 21:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * The article looks perfect. About the cliffnotes, some sections are still very short, containing only 2 items (besides the "point of view" mention). Can they be expanded? (I don't have the book so I don't know if these chapters are really so short as nothing is happening). 19:20, March 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of the chapters are short, or just have nothing important going on, that's why they're so short. I had the book with me while I was completing the Cliffnotes so it would be more accurate.  Skye Meow 17:20, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * OK. I support the nomination then. 14:54, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

May I put up the vote then?  Skye Meow 16:47, March 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, if there are no objections for a couple of days after the nomination, a vote can be put up. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Since it's been a while, if no one has a problem, I'll put up the vote on the 5th of this month.  Skye Meow 02:57, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up.  Skye Meow 12:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

A Dangerous Path - Silver Nomination
Finally, I had the time to do some major work on articles (the first time this year I guess... lol). Proposing A Dangerous Path, Cliffnotes A Dangerous Path and Gallery A Dangerous Path for silver. I did a major rewrite / expansion of the Cliffnotes and the Plot Summary, and the articles seem OK to me. One thing - can someone find references to the cats on the cover? They are apparently Fireheart and Bramblepaw, but I cannot find any official reference. Kind regards, 22:38, March 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * All three look just fine to me. Some of the chapters seem a little short in the Cliffnotes, but, that's just me. And how would you go about finding the references for the cover? I mean, does it say on the Warrior Cats Website? I know that's like the only thing I'd go to the site for - I don't trust anything else on it.  Skye Meow 19:07, March 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, well, the chapters are uneven in the book as well; some chapters are only 3-5 pages long. I tried to mention every event. For the cover reference, accepted sources are the warriorcats official website (character list or timeline) and Erin Hunter chats. In some cases, if it is quite obvious who the cat is, even if not confirmed, you might post an assumption (like I made on the Firestar's Quest or The Fourth Apprentice articles) - but generally try to avoid this as it might lead to disputes. Kind regards, 16:12, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I noticed that about the chapters. They are really short. I remember seeing something about the cats on the cover, but I do not remember where. Since it's not possible to find, I say just put the vote up. If later on, the references for the cats comes up, I'm positive you can just add it in.  Skye Meow 21:30, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * All right. :) 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Helix, would you like to put up the vote?  Skye Meow 12:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure. Vote is up. :) 13:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

New Leadership
Hey everyone. I just wanted to let you all know that a little while ago, Bramble asked me to be the new lead here, and I accepted. 03:41, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congrats Rainlegs! I just saw the message on your user talk page. Do you have any plans for a deputy? Cloud  skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:25, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm going to wait a little bit before I choose one, but I have a few people in mind. 13:39, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Congrats Rainy!!!! I'm so glad you got chosen! 13:42, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations, Rainlegs! I'm not really that active in the project, but you're a great contributor to the Wiki, and I'm glad you got chosen. :) 14:35, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats, Rainy! I still can't believe I doubted you when you told me! :P:P:P Best wishes, ✳   YatzSliversword   Ah, spring...  ✳ 19:18, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cloudskye is the new deputy. :) 03:03, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * And I'm honored to serve as your deputy. I hope we can bring some new activity to the project.  Skye Meow 20:02, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, Rain and Cloud. I have seen you contribute to the wiki, and it's a good thing to know that two, loyal users are serving as the united leadership of a great project. I wish you two good luck.  Icy 123   ♥

20:29, March 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * That means a lot coming from you, Ice. Thanks.  Skye Meow 20:32, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not only thanks to Ice, but thanks to everyone who's commented here. It means a lot to me. :) 00:31, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't been on here much recently, but congrats to both of you! You deserve it :D  23:13, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

The Heart of a Warrior ~ Silver Nomination
I went through and re-wrote the summary, because it was one massive paragraph. The Cliffnotes look okay. As for the cover gallery, as far as I know, there is only one cover for the book. Ahh, so, what do you all think? Does it seem worthy enough to become silver grade?  Skye Meow 23:13, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

It looks good to me. Can you find a praise anywhere? Night shine  23:24, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

No, I looked and I can't find one. I've noticed that with a lot of the newer books...praise is seldom and very hard to find.  Skye Meow 23:33, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't find praise either, so removed the section. I made some style fixes, added references and spoiler tags. Looks good to me. :) 19:20, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, supporting! 22:26, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have any problems with me putting up the vote?  Skye Meow 18:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. You go ahead! 00:30, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Vote is up. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 12:47, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Voting is completed and the article is now silver grade. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 12:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Brightspirit's Mercy - Silver Nomination
I saw that it needed work while I was looking at the main PB page, but once I checked out the pages of Brightspirit's Mercy it all seemed good. Any comments on this? Night shine  23:31, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

It looks just fine to me. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 23:33, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's fine. The only thing missing is the reference for publish date, but I doubt we can find any. 19:20, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you probably won't be able to do much else to it, so I support. =D 23:11, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

I looked for one earlier but I couldn't find it anywhere. Night shine  23:37, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Its okay, I think its good enough without it :D 23:39, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Mistystar. It's looks just fine without it. Maybe they don't have one for it. If there is, it's very well hidden. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 18:58, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nightshine, what's going on with this? Are we putting up a vote? Cloud skye  13:01, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I was waiting for one of the leads to put up a vote. Night shine  23:13, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Helix and Mistystar are both putting up their own votes. If you want me to do it, I can. Cloud skye  17:31, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Preview section
The Sight (and maybe other articles) contain a "Hype & Preview" section, which basically duplicates the blurb. Maybe this was useful before the book was released, but now I find it redundant. Should we remove it? 19:20, March 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think we should. 19:26, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I honestly see no need for them. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 17:17, March 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, I removed the section from The Sight. If other articles (about already released books) have it as well, it should be removed too. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

PB Style and Ops Manual
Hey all! Since PB has no written guidelines (like PC or PW), I spent some time to write up an article with proposed guidelines for writing PB articles, and to help the new leaders in maintaining the project. You can read it here. There are not new things, in fact we have always proceeded according to these principles, but they were never written down. Please comment on the talk page (or here); when every user agrees, there should be a vote for implementing it as an official guideline. Kind regards, 19:24, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are very good. Books, as the base for everything this Wiki has, deserve their own guidelines to properly execute book articles. Like you said, there's no new information, but a new user would find these infinitely helpful. 19:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

These are useful. I like them. As Moonflight said above me, the books are the base for the wiki. It would be extremly helpful. It doesn't matter if there is no new information - it would be useful to every member, in case they need to brush up on some stuff. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 17:24, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with everything said above. Even I could use them, since I've never really done anything here. 01:10, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

How long should we wait before adding in a vote? I see no need for it, since there are people that agree, and they look excellent... But that's just me. And Rainlegs, yeah, you could use them. (xD It's ighthearted humor, so don't shoot me for it.) I honestly think that every contributor should read up on them as something to refesh their minds. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 14:51, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

(XD, it's okay.) I really don't think this will require a vote, since no one has decided against it, but I think we should wait for a few more people to agree, since there's only been three. I say we should wait another two days before making it official. It'll give everyone [who hasn't already] plenty of time to state their opinions. 00:33, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll state mine XD I think we should have one. 00:39, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Since a wiki is a community-driven project, all new (or changed) policies and guidelines can be introduced only after a vote. So, yes, we need one. Rainlegs: yes, I mainly wrote the guidelines for the new leadership, so they could know how project articles shall be written, and operations carries out. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Spottedleaf's Honest Answer ~ Silver Nomination
It looks pretty good. Comments? 23:42, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can it be expanded anymore? <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 19:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try. 20:19, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Expanded. Comments? 20:30, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Expanding an article doesn't mean adding in randomly a few words, but reading through the book (or the play, in this case), and add in more and detailed information. 12:57, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did read the play, but isn't a summary supposed to summarize? Aren't the cliffnots supposed to be detailed? 22:00, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * A summary is supposed to summarize. As for Cliffnotes, they are supposed to highlight the important events that happen in the chapters (I haven't read SHA, so I don't know if there is anything like that), without being extremely long. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 22:16, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'll try expanding it a bit more, but I don't believe it needs much more. 22:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've expanded it as much as I can. 00:43, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I expanded it a bit more. Comments? 22:29, April 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if you can expand it anymore. If you can, feel free to do so. If not, then I think it looks fine. What does everyone else think? <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 03:00, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I've expanded it as much as possible. 23:32, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comments? 00:18, April 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've got no problem. Let's see what Rainlegs and the other members think. If no one else has a problem, you can put up the vote. Cloud  skye  16:52, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I know how to put up votes, but...aren't only project leads allowed to do that? 21:49, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I know how to put up votes, but...aren't only project leads allowed to do that? 21:49, April 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Helix has put up a vote since Rainlegs and I became leads. It would make more sense to have the person who proposed the article to put up the vote, that way no one else can take credit for it. Cloud  skye  12:58, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see; Comments? If none, I'll put up the vote.  23:19, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see; Comments? If none, I'll put up the vote.  23:19, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon browse inside
Just noticed that the browse inside for Sign of the Moon was released, and can be read here. Have fun! :) 13:03, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's out later than normal. Huh. Thanks Helix! <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 14:49, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving
Hi all! Due to my scarce free time (because of studies and other commitments), and because my general loss of interest in Warriors, I have decided to leave the wiki. I'll be still around and check things now and then, but won't work actively on articles. I hope that PB will be in good hands - it was the project closest to my heart even if I was never staff, and I found it very hard to let go of it. Good luck for the future and take good care of PB. :) Kind regards, 13:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're a good person Helix, and I'm sad to see you leave. PB is in good hands though, so don't worry. I understand that real life sometimes has to come first... Hopefully you can come back and edit a lot once everything has calmed down. Take care. <span style="background-color: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 8px 9px; -webkit-border-radius: 4px 10px; padding: 2px 6px 2px 5px;"> Skye Meow 13:56, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even though I haven't been here for awhile, I know that you've been a very helpful contributer here, and we'll all miss you. Hopefully, as Cloudskye said, you can come back once everything has calmed down. Thanks for all of your hard work, and take care. 00:09, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you're leaving Helix. You were a great person to ask questions, and worked very hard on WWiki. If you can, come and visit WWiki when you have spare time. 04:59, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its sad that you're leaving. You've contributed a lot to this wiki, but good luck on your future, too!  20:43, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sign of the Moon
I just wanted to let you guys know that I have been working on the article for Sign of the Moon as well as the various characters' articles that contains that section. I wanted to know if I'm putting too much information on it, because I'm on, about, Chapter 4, and it's really long already. I've never written a lengthy article for a wiki before, so some insight on this issue would be helpful! Thanks~ Ivystripe 16:34, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, wow. That is long, Ivystripe. You don't need to include everything that happens in a chapter. It's only a summary of the whole book. When I get my copy, which should be soon, I can help out with shortening it. Cloud  skye  18:06, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I thought I was being a little too descriptive! I'm just not sure which stuff is the most important to keep, so I'd really appreciate that ^^ Ivystripe 19:15, April 6, 2011 (UTC)Ivystripe


 * Well, with books, it really is hard to decide what should go and what should stay. For now, just put up what you think is important, and other members will go and add their share. No one person can make it perfect; it takes many people. Cloud  skye  16:51, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Ivystripe! Many thanks for your work. However, I'd suggest to rather add detailed info to Cliffnotes Sign of the Moon - that's what the Cliffnotes are for. ;) Kind regards, 15:27, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Join
Can I Join?

Lightningstar of ThunderClan


 * Yes, you may join. Welcome! May I recommend reading this for help? It's not official yet, but it really helps! Cloud  skye  12:46, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
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May Featured Article

 * Is it to early, or not? If so, I think Bluestar's Prophecy would be a good suggestion. -- 23:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Bluestar's Prophecy is a great article. -- Night  shine  18:18, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warrior Lead Votes
You will find this message on all four project talk pages.

Due to recent senior warrior nominations, several users and I, including Icestorm, Feathermoon, Frostheart, Mossy, and Helix, discussed why lead votes are much more signifigant in senior warrior nominations? It really is unjustifiable. A Wiki is about team work. Senior warriors work with everyone, not just leads. Yet, normal warriors have no say. Why should they even have the option to comment if their vote doesn't matter? It won't change the opinions of the leads. It really is an unjustifiable policy. A Wiki is a community effort. No two users who may happen to have different positions are no different in importance. Everyone one's opinion matters. Why should one user not have the same voice as another? Why should background matter?

Regardless of your opinion, please, please post it here. If we get enough supports, we must put it to an official vote. Even if you completely oppose of this idea, please, please, comment. Your opinion matters, from leader to kit, we all matter. 20:53, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. This Wiki is a community. Not where ranks are separated into groups, and ranked higher just because they have a few more benefits and privileges and a special name. They should be ranked equal, and all I see that should matter is that there is more approving votes than opposing in order to become senior warrior. So, in general, I agree with you, Moonflight. I see no point just for senior warriors to be ranked higher. However, what about deputy and leader? Would they be necessarily ranked under senior warrior? -- 14:43, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Senior Warriors work for the contributors of a project - therefore it's the contributors who should decide if they accept and trust someone working for them, or not. 15:34, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Join?
May I join this project? <font face="French Script MT">Atelda 05:02, April 10, 2011 (UTC)