Forum:Guidelines - New?

Hey leads! Look here! =) I was just wondering if we could put a new guideline into action. I've been noticing several users who've been uploading a new file every time they want to tweak their charart, simply because they don't know any better. I was hoping that we could put something in the guidelines about uploading a new version of the same file? It'd help clear up the file clutter and to avoid confusion about which image is which. Comments? --   Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:05, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wildheart, that is an amazing suggestion. I have this sort of problem with my Project, Imagine, on another wiki. It does take up a lot of space on the wiki. There are people, however, that do not know that this is possible. It would be a really good idea to consider. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 00:32, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There have also been a lot of user who've been uploading unnecessary alt.s for manga appearances and alt.s where there isn't really a difference (i.e. sandstorm's orange alt.). Maybe a chart that deems differences that don't require alts.? Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 00:40, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. . . but it's always noobs who do that, and only because they don't know any better. . . please don't try and tell me you actually read all the guidelines and whatnot when you were new? I didn't even know where they were :P So I don't know how we could make a rule against that. . . 70.64.149.241 01:56, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think the thing about uploading sounds good. As for the thing about alts that cant be approved, the main thing is that they take up so much space, so why cant we have another section like Disscusion and Chararts for Approval, and call it Alternates? People could add it to the trivia, reserve it, and then ask if the difference is big enough, and a lead (only leads, not to be rude but we wouldnt need everyones two cents) could say weather it is good or not. It would still take up space but not as much as a heading and a picture would everytime. Just a thought. 02:43, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like that! That would definitely help avoid confusion and would cut down on the amount of unnecessary chararts that people upload only to have their hopes crushed. Good idea. --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 23:50, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

What do the leads think? --  Wildheart  L i v i n g w i t h o n l y m y t h o u g h t s. 06:51, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea. I really want to be able to talk to Oblivion or Frostheart about adding this to the guidelines, but I haven't seen them in a while Night  shine  00:37, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

I haven't seen any of the leads recently...where are they? Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 13:38, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, neither have I. I'll just add it to the guidelines now.-- Night  shine  23:17, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

OKay, this is a comment. If the leads aren't active for a piece of time then I think y'all should assign a new one. I know they've been on but not editing...and that's bad. ☘Saint Ice☘ 23:44, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Bramble has emailed me a few times about that, so we're working it out-- Night  shine  23:55, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

On who gets to be the new lead or why the old leads bailed? 00:05, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Just about how there are hardly any chararts left to do and about the inactive leads-- Night  shine  00:09, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying guys! So busy D:. Honestly I think we need to do something about the lead situation, Nightshine seems to be doing everything (and a great job, too). Perhaps we should replace some senior warriors? Or close the project to new members? I dunno... Darkhallows... Mew? 20:29, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree, we should change up the senior warriors. Once I get a reply back from Bramble I'll ask her about it-- Night  shine  23:21, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

There might be more charart when Sign of the moon comes out" and if things go as the erin's say it will, Ivypaw and Dovepaw will be warriors, and Brook will have kits, and who knows. Mabye cherrykti and moleit will be apprentices. Feathermoon 23:31, March 15, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Yeah, I agree. But the erins said Dovepaw and Ivypaw might become warriors, so that isn't completely definite. 23:38, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

Even then, that will only sovle the problem for a couple of months. Maybe we should make it so that new members cant post any pictures for like the first month. It might decrease the number of people who join but never acctually contribute. And switching up the SWs sounds like a great plan. 00:15, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Would switching up SWs mean adding new SWs or decreasing the SWs? Feathermoon 00:22, March 16, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Both, you can nominate warriors to become senior warriors here Night  shine  00:47, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

But how are they supposed to pass with the majority of the leadds MIA? 00:58, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we really need leads to approve it. I'm pretty sure they just need to fit the requirments and get a certain percentage of 'yes' votes. Darkhallows... Mew? 02:20, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I like the idea of barring new users from adding a charart for their first month, so we might only get members who are really set on being a good member of the project, but something else that occurred to me is that Sign of the Moon comes out in about a month, so we might get a lot of arguments over chararts (I'm starting to doubt how many new apprentices actually read the guidelines carefully.) Maybe my idea is that we close the project to new users for a few weeks and brush up the guidelines and think of ways to re-enforce them. Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 03:10, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a great plan Scarletwind. And i was just wondering, but are we going to do the Alternate-if-neccassary section i suggested above? 03:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Now wait. I'm a new member of the project, so, does that mean I have to withdrawl my charart? Or is it just from here on out? I also think that switching everything around sounds like an excellent idea. We could use another lead, and I've noticed Nightshine taking care of a lot of the problems and such that we've had. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 12:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so. I think that if we put that rule into action, it'll only apply to new users and not ones already in the project, that wouldn't be fair. 68.255.102.128 17:26, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. I got logged out. I was also thinking that a user has to be a member to post chararts, I think I remember something in the guidelines that a user doesn't have to be a member to post a charart. Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 17:33, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that, too. It does say that, but, I don't know that anyone really reads the guidelines... I did just for a refresher. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 17:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

What if we had some sort of test to join? Like you have to prove you read the guidelines? Darkhallows... Mew? 04:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so... I think we'd run out of questions to ask and the user could just skim through the guidelines, copy the answer and then they'd pass. But that's just my opinion, what about others? Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

What if we had a check-in every few months? Users would have 2 or 3 weeks to just post their signature on a check-in page to prove that they're still active in this project? Night Shine could post something like 'spring check-in' on the news page and the users who are actually active would just place their signatures on the page, unless they've told us otherwise on the talk page that they're going somewhere. Anyone who doesn't post in the check-in would be made an elder, and if a user misses three check-ins, they're removed from the project. Thoughts? I just thought that it could be a way to figure out who's active, who's not, and who actually cares about the projects. <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 04:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

Scarletwind, I think that's brilliant. I also think users should join before posting, that way more members can get chararts approved. I'm not entirely agreeing with the month of being barred. New users would think they would be cheated on because they would have to wait a month to do anything. Maybe if they can comment on chararts being approved it wouldn't be so bad. And on alternates, we should do that. It would avoid confusion and so much space wouldn't be wasted on petty alternates, like dark gray instead of light gray, brown tabby instead of brown. <span style="color:yellow;font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;background:lime;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:red;">MINTSTARR  There is a traitor among us...  14:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that we should ban new members from commenting on chararts already up for approval, by commenting, they'd be able to see how the project works before they do anything major, sorta like a kit before they become an apprentice. (Maybe I'm suggesting we put in a kit rank for brand new users who haven't been a part of the project for a month). We could have a big, red banner in the guidelines that states that a new user cannot put a charart up for approval within the first month of being a member. So a join request could look a bit like this: "I'd like to join the project" "First read the guidelines" "I've read the guidelines" "You'd still like to join even though new users cannot have a charart up for approval within their first month of joining?" "yes" "welcome to the project". Thoughts? <font color="#d73f17">Scarlet <font color="#65c9d2">wind <font color= "#1756d7">Medicine Cat of <font color="#121bcf">SolarClan 14:48, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Mintstarr. I also think that some of the newer members may think that they're being cheated. Maybe they should wait two weeks instead of a month, but, they should also participate in critiquing the other images. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 14:53, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I like Scarletwind's first idea too. I also agree that they shouldn't be banned from posting comments on images, just from posting chararts until they've understood the way the project works. I don't know about the kit rank because we already have tons of apprentices, although a kit rank may split it up a little. The checking-in idea sounds good too, because it seems a few of the apprentices that have joined go inactive soon after they joined. 20:22, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I never suggested that they be banned from commenting. That would be unreasonalbe, why ever join the project? They just shouldn't be allowed to post/reserve images. The kit rank sounds like a wonderful idea, very warrior ceative ;). 03:10, March 18, 2011 (UTC)