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Should Cats of the Park be given satisfactory, or even be nominated for silver? 01:13, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Monster - Silver Nomination
It looks good. Comments? 03:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 22:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't a monster almost kill Moth Flight in MFV/Secrets of the Clans? It's not in the history... Also, in the Forgotten Warrior, when Cinderheart is shown Cinderpelt's life or something, she remembers being hit by a mosnter, should that be mentioned too? I can add that one if it should be there 00:13, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I'll add that soon but if I don't get to it by 2 days can someone do it for me? Applies to allt he nominations down below. 01:05, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I can do it for you if you don't want, but for reference it's in the Forgotten Warrior Chapter 18 01:07, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I added it (and the many appearances from Twilight). CBV? 22:02, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

actually, I feel kind of dumb for commenting after I said CBV myself, but could you add Moth Flight's Vision and the part in Secrets of the Clans about Mothflight? 22:26, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

And monster is very very briefly mentioned for Mothflight's The ultimate Guide section, could you add that too :3 22:29, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Are you working on this, Icy? 00:13, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yes because I'm a fool - I'll get it done by Friday, is that okay? 23:50, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, that's fine :) 23:52, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Gathering
Thought I should bring this up. The article looks honestly very confusing to use (and base off) and it's really confusing to edit. I've been working on it for a few days yet I can't seem to grasp the basics, for example, not all moons and seasons are mentioned in the Gatherings. Is there anyway we can simplify this? 18:57, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Also we kind of need a guideline on how much history an article neds, such as ThunderClan or ShadowClan. Basically it seems like that on some articles, the entire book is used as a summary, yet on others there's hardly anything. We should come up with a basic guideline on how these articles should be formatted, and what should be used.

-Just as a suggestion, but the list of gatherings might be a bit more organized and easy to use if it's like the structure of the Events Timeline? I dunno, I think it would be... 00:40, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Tribe of Endless Hunting - Silver Nomination
As per my discussion above, I'm not sure if the history needs expansion but I did add what was missing and I think it looks good. Comments? 19:02, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 22:46, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

It looks good, but I know that Feathertail mentions the Tribe of Endless Hunting in Dawn River during a dream, and I would think they probably appeared/were mentioned more in Outcast, since half that book takes place in the mountains right? I have both books borowed from my library right now, so if it's okay with you can I add in DR's section and expand Outcast's?

Also, I counted and it looks like only half of the cats in the category for ToEL members are listed on the actual page... 23:58, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

I suppose it's alright. I will add all of the members soon though. 08:30, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Actually the reason they're not there is bcause they don't have valid cites. The cites on the page state that it's revealed on Vicky's facebook page when actually there is no link to it. So I don't know if we should get rid of all of these cites on those pages, but I'm going to refrain from using Vicky's facebook page as a cite when there's no link. 04:54, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Oh I forgot about this one! Comments before vote? 22:52, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Tiger ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to those who worked on it before me. Comments? 23:19, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Could you find sources that are not wikipedia (you can look at wikipedia's cites, verify the information and then use those cites on the page)? It's kind of like citing ourselves since wikipedia has a very similar format to wikia. You might also want to bulk up on cites in the description section. 04:50, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

The problem is that pretty much all of the cites are books... unless it's okay if I just cite the book it came from. 15:00, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

I think citing the books is acceptable. I don't see anything wrong with that, imo.

I'm not talking about the book cites. I'm talking about cite #4 as well as the entire description section. 06:07, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

What I meant was that all of the cites in Wikipedia are nonfiction books about tigers, not Warrriors books. Although I'll probably just find new cites from other websites, I'm thinking it will probably be easier.. 22:34, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Updated I searched for quite a while and couldn't find anything on the Wikipedia page that talked about the first paragraph, so I just citetd that one as Wikipedia. I added cites for teh other two though. 22:44, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Comments beofre vote? 02:47, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Journey to the Mountains
I think there should be a page for the journey to the mountains in Outcast/Dark River. It's like the main plot in Outcast. It's certainly not minor, and to the best of my memory, it is more significant than the Journey to Find Sol, which has a page. Comments? 23:16, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it deserves one. It's not really more signifinct than the Journey to Find Sol, because he was wanted for a murder. On the other hand, the Tribe just needed help. So I don't think it's needed. 23:20, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but (I haven't finished rereading the book and might remember a few facts wrong, sorry) the Tribe would have had to move/would have died if the Clan cats hadn't went the mountains and fought for the Tribe, and since the Tribe is pretty important, especially later on, I think it should get a page. Also, the journey made Stormfur and Brook leave ThunderClan and not come back, and I think it started Jaypaw's connection with the Tribe. Anyways, what does everyone else think? 23:59, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it's that important. For the journey to Sol, they suspected he was part of the murder (and he was a big part in Eclipse as well). For the journey to Midnight, it was apart of the prophecy. To the new forests (both cases), they needed a new home. I don't think the journey to the Tribe is that iomportant. 00:31, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Any other opinions? 23:37, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

February FA
Okay, this is my first FA nomination, so I might be making a few mistakes, but Battle Against BloodClan seems good, it is finished and I think well-done. (I'll check through it tomorrow) Comments or suggestions? 02:45, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Looks good. Maybe we could add Graystripe to the cats who took part (having his own section?) 23:49, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

I like that idea, I'll add him in. Also, are article like these supposed to have main quotes? 23:59, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. 00:03, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Added Graystripe and main quote. Feel free to change the main quote, I don't really think it's that fitting but there didn't seem to be any better one.

However, wouldn't Barley and Ravenpaw be listed as the cats who fought for LionClan, not loners/rogues? 16:10, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Cites
Are appearances supposed to be cited? They're not for character pages, but then for like half of the PW pages appearances are cited, for the other half they aren't... Do they need to be cited? 23:09, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

They shouldn't be. If they're not cited on the character pages then they shouldn't be cited for PW pages. 00:29, January 17, 2016 (UTC)

Mmm, but PW has different guidelines than PC though...PW focuses on the general history of a place where as PC is specific towards a single character...In most of PW's articles, the cites are not truly cites but more of references which should stay as per the guidelines. 21:59, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I think it could depend on the article. Given that some things (like locations) appear throughout an entire book (such as ThunderClan's camp (which probably has a specific name), Deepsands Gorge, ect. It would be kinda... interesting and difficult to read if there were citations every other sentence and every godforsaken mention (especially if it is spanning the time of an entire book), and given that character articles cite descriptions like that, it's already hard to read those without getting lost. So, for sake of readability, I would think extremely important parts of the history (like if it's mentioned that there are certain trees around ThunderClan's camp, if something drastic happens, such as the tree incident in Fading Echoes, ect), then it should probably be cited. But.. it would be extremely hard to cite an entire book section multiple times. For things like prey or animals such as sheep or foxes, given that they don't appear all the time, citing those appearances would be much much easier, given they are their own unique appearance each time.

Events Timeline
Okay so I was looking at this page, and it's really unorderly and needs lots of cites, but also, the years before Rusty entered the forest are missing some years (such as 2, 3, 5) and that seems kind of confusing. Also, with the novellas that seem to constantly go farther back into Warrior's history, if the events in say Mapleshade's Revenge (I think that's the earliest novella, right?) are to be added, then all of the years after that would need to have their number changed and it would just be confusing. I think it might be a better idea just to start with Rusty putting his first paw into the forest as year 0, then anything before that would be "___ Years BF" (before Firestar :P). Or just 'Year -1' or something. (Although really, I don't think that we know for sure how many years passed between sections of BP and ITW...)

Also, the Early Settlers should definitely have a timeline, because they got a whole series to themselves, and were really important. But since it would just make the page even more messy to add them in, I'm thinking that it would be a good idea just to make an Early Settler Timeline by itself.

Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions? 15:26, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking the same sorts of things. Honestly, I cannot tell when Goosefeather's Curse is, or maybe even when Bluestar was born. 06:33, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

Stealth, the book order should be as follows, given the context within each book. (not counting prologues and graphic novels):
 * The Sun Trail, Thunder Rising, The First Battle, The Blazing Star, A Forest Divided, Path of Stars, and Moth Flight's Vision
 * Cloudstar's Journey
 * Mapleshade's Vengeance
 * Goosefeather's Curse
 * Tallstar's Revenge, Yellowfang's Secret, Crookedstar's Promise, and Bluestar's Prophecy (all of these take place around the same time, but events within the book and context clues place them in this order)
 * Into the Wild, Fire and Ice, and Forest of Secrets
 * Tigerclaw's Fury, The Elders' Concern, and Rising Storm (all happens within the same range of time)
 * A Dangerous Path and The Darkest Hour
 * Firestar's Quest and SkyClan's Desitiny
 * Midnight, Moonrise, Dawn, Starlight, and Twilight
 * Leafpool's Wish
 * Sunset
 * After Sunset: We Need to Talk
 * The Sight, Dark River, Outcast, Sign of the Moon, and Long Shadows
 * Sunrise
 * Hollyleaf's Story (it does start here and then leads up to The Forgotten Warrior
 * The Fourth Apprentice
 * Mistystar's Omen and Fading Echoes
 * Night Whispers, Sign of the Moon, The Forgotten Warrior, and The Last Hope
 * Dovewing's Silence
 * Bramblestar's Storm
 * The Apprentice's Quest and Thunder and Shadow

I can't place Ravenpaw's Farewell in the list yet, since I really am unsure where it goes. I'll need to check the book once it comes out.

If I may pop in and add the mangas to your list. I have an excel document where I have done my best to map out the events throughout the Warriors series, though it's very long and I'm not sure how it would translate to a wikia page. I'd would like to partner up with someone to fill out the Events Timeline page, though I'd need to learn the page's coding (that table you have there) and discuess which filler stuff I need to cut out of my timeline. ThirteenthStar (talk) 09:05, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Rise of Scourge starts in Bluestar's Prophecy and ends at A Dangerous Path/The Darkest Hour
 * The Sasha and Tigerstar arc begins in A Dangerous Path and ends during Firestar's Quest
 * Ravenpaw's arc begins soon after Firestar's Quest but I'm not sure when it ends (I only have the first book :P)
 * I think Graystripe's arc takes place in Dawn/Starlight and of course ends in The Sight.
 * SkyClan's arc starts in Twilight/Sunset and I do not know when it ends. (Again, I only own the first book.)