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Bluestar (Alt. Apprentice) ~ For Approval
Tell me if it needs the nick!

There's waste by the head area. It needs the nick, since it's the alt image, and it has the nick anyway. Also, you need silver on the tail-tip and muzzle, as it has to match the other images. ~ Stormsong Let it storm&#9835;  22:36, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Reups!: Better?

If this is the one for TUG then it shouldn't have the nick, as she's shown without it...

Darken and define the shading 08:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the shading, but please make up you're mind about the nick

No, she doesn't get the nick. Please remove it. 12:18, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I have to redo her do...

No you don't, just overlay the linear art over the old one, on a new layer. then fill in the gaps 22:33, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

I lost the file I what I mean...

Withdrawing lel, I cant do her right...

I'll take over. 21:01, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The colors are all from the queen alt. 21:17, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs 02:28, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:34, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, please.

Reuploaded. 14:43, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Theres like a line of shadow from her back butt to her middle of her thigh? Idk if you were doing that on purpose but it kind of looks weird... Also add a bit more shading in between her belly and legs Storm  &#9835;  13:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:02, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading. 12:20, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 18:30, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading 09:13, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 20:11, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Put more shading in between the belly and the foreleg right by the elbow/bend in her leg. Storm &#9835;  22:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 14:14, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, a bit? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 00:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the facial shading, if there is any. 02:44, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 03:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the highlights on her legs. They just look like lines of a slightly brighter colour right now. 12:17 Sat May 30

Reuploaded. 15:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Blur those highlights even more. They still just look like some lighter lines to me. 13:29 Mon Jun 1

Reuploaded. 15:21, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Berryheart (K) ~ For Approval
wee~ Probably won't be able to upload on weekdays but I /can/ update on Fridays. <: 14:23, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

It needs a white neck like the other images. And define the light on the legs, and tail Storm  &#9835;  14:25, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

oh god it's disgusting ;;  14:33, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs, tail, and the chest please you forgot those Storm  &#9835;  14:41, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

it's still horrible  14:57, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

There's literally still no light on the legs/paws. get rid of some shadow Storm  &#9835;  15:02, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Shrink the white on her front paws, please. They only look that way on the queen because of how long her legs are.

'''Better? ''' 15:26, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Can you define and add depth to the shading? The image is looking kind of flat. Good job on this though! 15:35, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ice, when you say "The image looks flat", you mean define the shading everywhere, right? Because I think that needs a bit more work upon touching :) Good job with smudging. Very nice. 18:36, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

I hate shading ;_;  19:11, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

You are still forgetting to put light on the legs. Define the light on the chest and tail and define the shading on the side of her face... This charart is literally all shading. Define the light everywhere. Storm &#9835;  22:37, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

The white is looking a little grey on my screen… maybe lighten it? Idk whether it is only my phone 06:56, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

It isn't just your screen, it's really gray, add some highlights? Are you using pure white? 11:48, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

I used pure white on her queen, which is the first image in the set, so you'll need to do the same.

She did use pure white, but it's literally all shading. Adding to my comment earlier, get rid of some shadow. Storm &#9835;  23:02, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Latte, check this out 12:00, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll remove shading, but I'll do it on Friday. Sorry. 21:59, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

well I got some time today so  22:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the paws and legs... Chest, head, and tail... Storm &#9835;  04:28, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

imo it's fine, but if it's not, idek how to define it .-. 21:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

No. I agree with Storm. Erase some of the shading on the chest/add highlights. 22:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Please don't start the "its fine" thing. .-. Storm  &#9835;  01:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Storm, chill. Leave the enforcing to the leads, please. Vibrant, we're not starting the "it's fine" thing. These images are put on the approval page to be commented on before they go on the character's page. These comments are said for a reason, and no one's images are perfect. Not mine, not any one of the other leads', not yours, not a random warrior, kit, apprentice, whatever rank. That's why this page is here. Your white looks extremely gray, and in order to match the queen image, which I made, you're going to need to brighten up the white, as it looks like her image is black-and-gray, instead of black-and-white.

Soften the transition between the white on the neck and black; it's a bit hard-edged 02:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

'''Better? '''Skye, can you send me an .xcf or .psd or whatever so I can match the colors. (no idc about my email or shiz unless it's spam) Send it to here: mintiimonster.blogclan@gmail.com 13:49, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

There's still no light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  13:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed  14:44, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I will gladly send you a file! She's on her way right now. =)

Define the shading/light on the legs. Storm &#9835;  22:45, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the shading between the left leg and her side and add/define the shading between her legs and on her back paw 01:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Still working? 23:41, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the lack of uploads. I'll upload a new version later. 21:25, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

quicker than expected 21:32, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

...Define the shading/light on the legs......... Storm &#9835;  21:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

This is getting stupid ;-; 13:27, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

What's getting stupid? Being asked to do something on your image? This process is the whole point of the approval page, and if you're not okay with that, then I don't know what to tell you.

^ and please erase some of the shading on the legs and neck. I can provide a redline for you if you want 13:40, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

'''I'm saying that my art is stupid. '''The shading was still wonky, and I can't change it much. Sorry if I confused/hurt anyone here, I clarified. 21:53, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Your art isn't stupid. You're trying, and that counts. It's all part of the process. Anyways, define the shading a tad? Maybe add some highlights to make the shading stand out more? 13:28 Mon Jun 1

Ferntail (Ki) ~ CBA
16:09, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Add some shading between the tummy and on the leg as well. Looking good Storm  &#9835;  16:13, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the head, and the light on the back paw. Cutie! 17:19, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

It could be defined everywhere 08:33, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

The leg, tail, and paw shading is fine, tbh.

done there already was shading on the leg and tummy, Storm, so I defined it. 11:17, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe possibly darken the shading a few ticks? Storm &#9835;  03:28, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Reups 09:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the side of the face? Storm &#9835;  13:45, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

reups 16:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back paw 00:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

reups 12:40, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 04:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ivypool (Alt. W) - CBA
- she was called gray and white in Dovewing's Silence 01:27, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

gray and white is pretty much silver and white if you ask me, are you sure they weren't just briefly describing her without saying her as a tabby? I might be wrong though. I love the texture!^^ Maybe lighten the front leg shading, and define the source on her hind leg, pretty! 07:38, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Gray and silver are separate shades. 10:27, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Gray-and-white is not silver-and-white.

Define the light on the tail Storm  &#9835;  12:57, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded On her hind paw farthest from us, she does have a gray toe, so that may be the shadow you're seeing Bramble 21:57, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the main body. 06:59, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 07:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the earpink just a tiny bit? It might be my screen though. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:38, May 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it's fine 02:01, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

It's blurred enough, but you might as well dull it down a bit. 08:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and the light on the back legs 11:05, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure why the ear pink should be dulled down, Burnt. If she changes the coloring, you might not be able to see it, which would probably result in a never-ending circle of defining, dulling, changing the color, blurring, ect. This shade of ear pink has been used on various other cats before, and I rarely ever see anyone have an issue with it. Also, if you don't mind, Scar, could you define or expand the light on the legs? I'm having trouble seeing it, and the frontmost visible leg looks like it's almost all in shadow....unless that's intentionally done like that. If it is, go ahead and keep it as it is.

Re-uploaded I think I got what everyone said... On the heel of her left forepaw, so has some gray, so that could be the darker shadow you're seeing 02:22, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the tail shading. 10:04, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 17:18, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I still can't see it tbh. Perhaps add a new layer of shadng depth? 10:31, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 21:51, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? 04:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Hootwhisker (W) ~ For Evaluation
Ok I edited it. Looks MUCH better than the old one, the shading is much better,i added a pupil, i erased the waste, and i blurred the ears. PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Hey, it's gotta match Hootwhisker's apprentice if I recall correctly..-- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 07:04, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

You misnamed it, it should be named Hootwhisker.warrior.png. Other than that, match his apprentice image as Nachtide said, smooth out the shading, clear the waste, blur the earpink and define light on the legs. 07:35, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images. It messes up the page. There is also texture to match. Define and darken your shading. This should also be titled 'For Evaluation' instead of 'For Approval' since its your first image. Storm &#9835;  11:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

He also doesnt appear to have a pupil... Define eye depth as well Storm  &#9835;  12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, since it looks like the redo nomination for the apprentice is going to pass, I'm not adding texture, so that's fine. But isn't this a bit smaller than the usual warrior blank? 14:39, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It has the right size to me, but the lineart is covered on some parts. 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

It does seem to be covered in some places -are your other layers under the lineart? Also, there seems to be a random black dot between the ears. Can you either blur it if it's shading, or get rid of it? 20:23, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

I just realized "the random black dot" is a disconnected part of the lineart, so don't get rid of it. Can you expose the lineart though, like I said above? 20:22, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Don't align your images .-. He still needs a pupil. Blur the earpink a bit more as well as the shading Storm  &#9835;  01:08, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

How am i aligning them, it looks normal to me, the pupil and shading and earpink i get. PoppyShine (talk) 01:37, May 23, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

When you post an image it should be File:Example.warrior.png what you are doing is File:Example.warrior.png|left which messes up the structure of the page. Storm &#9835;  01:40, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

The lineart seems to be covered still. Are you using layers? If so, make sure the lineart is above the other layers. If not, I highly suggest that you do - it would be a lot easier. Other than that, define the eye depth, I can't see any. 12:15, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

It still has a lot of waste around the image. Storm &#9835;  21:42, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Say you reuploaded it everything you reupload :P 00:57, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

There's waste above the ear. Also, I'm having trouble seeing the shading, perhaps define it a bit? My phone's real crappy, so again  it might be just my screen  10:53, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I redid the apprentice - the base colour is 424242, and that's not texture - it's just how I did the shading. If you want to make similar shading, Poppy, I used a 1px brush and used fairly large circular smudging movements. Of course you don't have to if you don't want to, I believe. 14:40, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Snowsplash, I'm having trouble seeing shading as well. Darken and define it please. Also I still don't see a pupil in his eye. Define the depth of the eye as well. Storm &#9835;  22:50, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define/add shading to his right/our left ear and tail. And Snowsplash, I see the waste too, just above the left ear 03:25, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Add pupils, you can see some of mine for reference. 03:32, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

xD, since my computer screen was soooooo messy at that time, I thought the waste was just from my computer screen. PoppyShine (talk) 18:12, May 26, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Define Shading 23:59, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink up a bit? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:57, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I still see waste above the ear. Also please stop aligning your images. Storm &#9835;  02:35, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Move the earpink slightly upwards, define shading on the tail perhaps^^ 13:10, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste in front of the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  16:32, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

There's also waste in front of the chest 21:39, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Poppy, you have to say that you reuploaded it when you edit the charart at the bottom of the comments. And please stop aligning your image. It messes up the structure of the page. If you need help, just ask me on my talk page. Also theres still waste in front of the back paw I mentioned earlier. Storm &#9835;  01:08, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and cleared the waste. I always name the charact Hootwhisker.warrior, how is this happening? PoppyShine (talk) 01:31, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

You keep adding "thumb|left" onto the end of your file. If you go into source code editing instead of just visual editor, then you should be able to see it. When you upload a picture, just upload it regularly. It should say just File:Example.warrior.png. You're putting File:Example.warrior.png|thumb|left which messes up the page. As for the image, define the light on the back paw closest to us. Storm &#9835;  01:45, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How do you define the light? PoppyShine (talk) 02:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Erase some of the shading, since the apprentice image that you have to match doesn't have highlights. Oh speaking of which, I think you need to match the texture/shading style that the apprentice image shows as well. Storm &#9835;  02:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

How can i do that? I use Pixlr..... PoppyShine (talk) 04:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Storm, there is no need to match the shading style. Also, Sorrel said that the "texture" was the smudged shading. As for this image, please define the light source. I suggest using GIMP instead of Pixlr, as it's waaaaaay better. 11:24, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well..... I honestly dont want to use GIMP because it wont work on my computer. PoppyShine (talk) 14:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Try Paint Tool SAI Storm  &#9835;  17:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so where should i define the light source?Leg?Paw?Haunches?Ears?Head?Muzzle?Back?Tail?Chest? PoppyShine (talk) 22:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

The whole image please Storm  &#9835;  00:11, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I edited it and defined the shading, hopefully this is enough. PoppyShine (talk) 23:11, June 1, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Oops wrong image, here it is. I added some little line texture thingies. PoppyShine (talk) 01:03, June 2, 2015 (UTC)PoppyShine

Sorrelstripe (Apprentice) ~ For Approval
I tried shading without blurring or smudging 10:04, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

In that case, what did you use it looks incredible! 0.0 define shading on the toes, and light on the legs :) 10:09, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

The base looks a little too dark. Would you like the .psd Sziri? Storm &#9835;  14:44, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups For the shading i use a small brush in a lower opacity(40-45) 19:02, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in <== that ear? Storm &#9835;  22:00, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

That ear doesn't need shading- almost all of my images don't have ear shading over there, and I don't think the source requires it. Most of the time, the ear is completely covered by ear pink, and shading that isn't mandatory either.

'''Comment? ''' 19:26, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you can ask for comments just yet Storm  &#9835;  19:34, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I think its fine if they ask now. The last reupload date was more than 3 days ago, and the only comment since then has been declared invalid. Storm, please leave things like this to the leads- its a part of our duties. You are still an apprentice. =\ As for the image, define the facial shading if there is any. It may just be my phone's screen, so if you think it lools okay, then its fine if you choose to ignore me. Wonderful job! =)

Breeze I'm a warrior now K thanks. Also I didnt tell them they couldn't ask. I said I think they couldnt. Way different. As for the image define the light overall Storm  &#9835;  22:08, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define shading a bit? Its hard to see. 23:34, 05/31/2015

Regardless, you've really been acting like a mini lead by saying such things. Your job right now is to critique the image itself- not scold the user. All I'm asking is if you'll chill with that- your attitude isn't nessecary. Define the tail shading while your at it, please. 21:36, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Sloefur (Mc) ~ For Approval
One week? Hopefully I can pass '-' 19:06, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink a tad. I can't really make it out without zooming really close. Storm &#9835;  22:54, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Bramble has an image to match, and the earpink matches the deputy image, so I don't think she needs to lighten the ear pink unless the other image is nominated for a tweak.

Smooth out shading everywhere, define light on the front legs and perhaps lighten the herbs. The shading's leaking from where the front leg and hind leg meet. 01:13, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

re-up smudged shading? nope 20:04, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Can you smooth out the main body shading a little more? 20:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

re-up this still sucks. And the shading isn't even Smudged ;-; 21:18, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to be a bother, but maybe smooth out the shading a bit more? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 21:49, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten it up a few ticks, please. 05:50, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

re-up ok, so I used the blend tool (Dont ask why.) I blured the edges afterward, and I have to say, it isn't too too bad. 15:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Podlight (K) ~ For Approval
I think I did et :3 Storm  &#9835;  21:12, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the back foot. 10:01, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

I think I made it clear that its pretty defined... Could I get a second opinion? Storm &#9835;  13:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define it on our right front leg and smooth out the shading on the tail. 13:57, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Fox, and the "second opinion" thing is kinda also what I was referring to...

Reups defined a couple other things too Storm  &#9835;  14:38, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

comments? Storm &#9835;  15:15, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

blur the shading more on our left and his right of the leg and maybe blue the tail shading some too 19:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reups Storm  &#9835;  21:55, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the gray parts of the fur just a tinnnnnnnnyyyy bit 21:43, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reups Lightened the shading a bit more as well Storm  &#9835;  01:24, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Appledusk (Star) ~ For Approval
Right, my turn to give it a crack. 22:39, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  22:54, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I just lightened the shading cause I think it seemed too dark. 23:37, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

You still need to define the light on the tail. Storm &#9835;  23:43, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 04:18, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define light on the forepaw, smooth out earpink, and maybe define shading on the part where the shoulder meets the side? I love his eyes 13:41, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Define the depth on the face 13:58, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Dunno if this counts as face depth but define the eye depth? For a traitor, he's got some nice eyes. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 01:59, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Chuck everything under the shading! It was asked for! Have you read Mapleshade's Vengeance? Mapleshade is more a traitor than anything. Anywho, I made the eyes by lining up the colours from his warrior image, then blurring it together. Works very well with images that have lots of room for the eyes. 04:48, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

The face is now too dark. Lighten it up please Storm  &#9835;  13:05, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I suggest you not to put the eyes under the shading :P define light on the tail 13:25, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload I've lightened it around the eye. I just don't want to mess around with it because it's so pretty! 04:37, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail. 10:21, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload 22:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the legs. 23:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading in the earpink in ===> this ear. Storm &#9835;  01:12, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Err, there isn't any shading. I've put some highlights previously but that's all it needs. 04:51, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Then add some shading in that ear Storm  &#9835;  17:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

With Stealthfire's source I don't think she needs shading there, Storm. 20:16, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

When light is shining inside a ear, you still need some shading at least to signify the actual depth of the inside of the ear... Storm &#9835;  21:56, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I tried it Storm, and it looked terrible, blurred or smudged shading. I gave it a bit of highlight for depth, and that is more than a lot of images are given. I'd like a second opinion on this, but please do not insist so much as I feel this is about to turn into an argument. 22:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading and either lighten it a bit or tint it. I don't know whether it's just the scream of my iPad or something, but the black shading just kind of throws off the colour for me. 12:13 Sat May 30

a pixel of waste ontop of his head. 14:43, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reupload Is that better? If it doesn't work then I'll redo the shading to match the warrior a bit more, cause I got it right there. 22:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define it a little more; and make the face shading...I don't know, mould to the face? Right now it just kind of looks like a blob of a darker colour. 03:59 Sun May 31

Reupload Is that better? 05:24, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpen the edges of the shading a bit? 23:36, 05/31/2015

I think all you've done is darken it. By define, I mean sharpen the edges, like Ferk said. Also, I think what you've done is just overblur it entirely. It's just not working right now; as I said before, it just looks like darker blotches in places. Sharpen it some more, or add a second layer to give it some depth or something. 13:14 Mon Jun 1

Yeah I just redid the shading altogether. 22:59, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Cloverfoot (ki) ~ CBA
i tried 00:46, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Blur the stripes, as they're a bit softer on her other image.

re-up 00:33, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Couple days without comments, so lets try a CBA. 21:39, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Sparkpaw (K) - CBA
Oh our kit is back 11:49, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Aww it's a baby Firestar. <3 Does the shading on the tail need to be on the inner side, with your light source? 23:45, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm, I honestly don't think so. All of my kits are shaded this way. But thank you :D 08:08, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Define the leg shading (especially --> one), the tail shading, and maybe the facial shading too. Can you also define the shape of the ear pink? I'm unable to really see it.

Re-upped Y u Sparkpaw so annoying =P 03:50, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

CBA? Beautiful 22:33, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yarrowpaw (Ki) - CBA
So much harder to match than I thought it was going to be O.O color picked as well as I could from apprentice. 00:34, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Omg so cute!! <333333 Maybe smooth out his "fingers"? I know it would be a big pain band maybe smooth out the belly-pale more^^ 01:17, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if it is my stupid eyes, but he looks oranger than the apprentice. Or is that your shading? 05:02, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hm...let me mess around with the shading and see if that helps at all. That apprentice image was a bit difficult to tell exactly what the base was compared to the shading. I tried three or four shades and none looked exact. 11:17, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

@Foxy I found that too, but I thought it was the shading. Sun, you might wanna contact Scarly and ask her for the apprentice file^^ Gah I can't take my eyes off this cute little mewling 11:24, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

reupped On it ^.^ My computer is acting up on me, so I only put this here to see if it looked any better 11:40, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe smudge the lighter color on the chest just a tiny bit? 13:24, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

reupped Color picked from psd file ^.^ I tried the best I could to get the chest pale to smudge more but I can't even tell if it did anything this blank is so tiny >.<; But hopefully it looks better! 00:51, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Comments? 12:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

how about a CBA instead? Wonderful job. 18:53, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Juniperpaw (K) ~ For Approval
21:36, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

lighten or darken the shading, I cant see it very well. 21:38, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Darkened because if I lighten it, it will be the same color as the pelt 22:10, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and a tiny bit of the chest 00:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

It might just be me, but I'm having a really hard time making out the actual structure of the face. Could you possibly lighten the base a smidge and/or the shading so we can actually see the lineart through it? Storm &#9835;  01:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I think lightening the shading would do the trick. The base itself is fine, and a shade I've used many many times before.

Re-upped I lightened the shading a few ticks. Hopefully that's better. 20:14, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Could be my screen or my eyes, but could you define -> this earpink? I know there's shading but I'm having some trouble seeing it. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 21:48, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I was actually meaning to do that myself, just forgot. 22:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

There's a straight line of black/near-black waste on the top of his head to our right ear. 13:51, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped Waste has been removed. 14:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Waste on the edge of the images. its one pixel wide, so its not notisable with the naked eye very well. But if you zoom up close, you can see it. 20:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped I hate waste. 22:14, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the hind paw? 21:41, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-upped 23:15, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Forest Blanks - For Approval
I wasn't sure whether I should upload these all seperately or keep them together or make a new file or what, so I just used my personal image for now. In order, from left to right, top before bottom, we have a shorthaired male, longhaired female, shorthaired female, and a longhaired male. Thank you again, Hawky, for letting me do the blanks for these. :) Oh, and I hope there's not an issue with me doing these and still doing Maplestar's StarClan image. If there is, I'll take Maplestar's down, but I really really hope there isn't. Jayie  Unwritten words~ 05:23, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

They should be uploaded under four individual files- I think for these, we'll use File:Dark Forest.male.short.png, File:Dark Forest.female.short.png, File:Dark Forest.male.long.png, File:Dark Forest.female.long.png, so if you could upload each blank to their respective filenames, that would be lovely. You can also have Maplestar's alt as well, since blanks are not the same things as images.

Hmmm, I am not sure, but is it possible to make each of them bigger? They seem to be quite small compared to the rest of the blanks. 08:09, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

What in the world are you talking about? The loners and rogues are about this size, and the rogue blanks are even smaller. The prey hunter and to-be blanks are smaller as well, Burnt. The size of her blanks are perfectly acceptable.

I don't suppose you could smooth out the lineart on the end of the shorthair's tail, maybe? Also, random note, you only need to upload one shorthair and one longhair since the only gender difference is the eyelash thing on the females, so you can just upload the other gender blanks when they get CBA'd. It's just a bit easier. 09:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Still not sure if I'm allowed to critique, not being in the project. Anyway, I wanted to say that the front left paw looks a bit twisted. I do know it is swiping but it looks back to front. And for the record I agree with Burntclaw about the size. --EosOfTheDawn (talk) 10:39, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a member of PCA, but I'd like to point out that the right front leg looks like a back leg. Also, it it just me, or does the line with the small dot between the shoulder lines looks a bit weird? Songheart (talk) 10:58, May 29, 2015 (UTC)Songheart

I honestly think that the size looks fine. And is the black "spot" on the tail-tip supposed to be there? Right now it's standing out and it looks kinda strange. . . may as well be just my opinion. . 12:36, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I uploaded the short male and long female under the names Skye said. I smoothed out the tail on the shorthair, got rid of the funky line on the tail of the longhair and replaced it with better lines for the fur, smoothed out some lines for the right (the cat's right) front leg, and added paw pads to the swiping paw to try and clear up which way it's facing. I think that helped, but I'm not sure? If you think the paw pad looks weird, I'll get rid of it, but I'm not sure how else to make it clear that the paw is facing that way. As for the front leg looking like a back leg, it's just bending, like in this photo: http://www.kimballstock.com/pix/CAT/02/CAT-02-JE0325-01P.JPG As for the size, I tried to make it right around the size of the loner and rogue. I also added the shoulder blade of the swiping paw, as it should be raised if the paw is being raised like that. And I fixed some issues with the back left (cat's left) leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:47, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

The part of the shorthair tail just above the leg looks a little lumpy, too, could you smooth that out as well? Also, the head looks like it's attached to the shoulder, if you get what I'm saying? Perhaps define where the head ends and the shoulder/neck/whatever begins? Lastly, the shorthair's chest looks slightly odd too, if you removed the leg it'd be either lumpy or just a straight line. If you get what I mean, I'm not so good at explaining things, and my anatomy isn't exactly perfect. 16:53, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Something thats been bothering me about the shorthair blank. The chest and ribcage dont really connect well. Could you connect them better? Storm &#9835;  17:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ok so this'll be difficult for me to explain. On the most visible hind leg, the 3rd toe, the one that just looks like a rectange connected to the foot on both of the images, could be a bit more rounder or popped out a bit more. But have it stay behind all of the other toes. Oh. that wasnt so difficult for me to say at all then, btw great job <3 19:07, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I may not be a part of the charart team, but I just want to point something out. I think the cats' necks need to be longer because the necks are kind scrunched up and you can barely see them. Thank you, I just thought that was important. Livboomer (talk)Livboomer

Reuploaded. Those necks still might need some lengthening, but they definitely look better than they did. I rounded the toe, lengthened the necks, connected the ribcage and chest better, smoothed out the tail, and dropped the shoulder on the front leg that isn't raised so that the one with the paw held up is raised higher. Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:27, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Also I think with the way you're signifying the cat's ears, the ear thats barely visible on the other side of the head shouldn't be there, as the ear we can fully see is obviously lower than the top of the head. Storm &#9835;  21:59, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

With the long-haired, where it runs along her back then leads to her tail, can you give it more fluff? It just looks like the tail is more hanging off the body man I sound vague! At the bottom of the tail where it connects to the body, just add some fluff. I can draw up a redline of what I mean if you want. 22:02, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I tried to do what you said with the tail, Stealthfire, but I dunno whether I did exactly what you meant. I tried. I also lengthened the neck again, tweaked the ear, and fixed it so the other ear doesn't show. Jayie Unwritten words~ 01:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Yep that is much better! I think with the shoulder, it stands out a bit too much. Maybe remove the vertical line of it and for the long-furred, make the shoulder a little furry. This is really well done. 03:30, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Which vertical line? One's the neck continuing, which I think is important because it shows where the neck is between the two shoulder blades, and the other is the other shoulder blade, which it would look very odd without. I'm going to try and find a good reference photo of the shoulder blades being positioned like this, to show what I was going for, but I'll look for it tomorrow. Jayie Unwritten words~ 03:36, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure but should the whiskers be a bit longer? Cats usually have very long whiskers unless they were cut off. 03:54, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I mean this line. While we're at it, can you flatten the back paw as circled a bit? Just looks like it needs to. 03:58, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Jayie Unwritten words~ 13:41, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Can you make the thigh a tad rounder? 22:17 Sat May 30

I decided to give you the luxury of a visual =P So here ya go: http://www.ezimba.com/work/150531C/ezimba11370768731700.png -- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 22:36, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

There are head whiskers on the queen blanks, so those can stay. It's a very real and legitimate part of a cat, so there's no need to remove it.

Reuploaded. Made all the changes except for getting rid of the head whiskers. Like Skye said, they're on the queen, and they're part of a cat. I also made the right front paw a bit bigger, it was bugging me. Jayie Unwritten words~ 05:19, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you define the haunch on the longhaired blank? 08:00, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think the haunch is fine as is. An angry cat fluffs out its fur to make it look bigger, and on a longer haired cat especially it can decrease definition between some body areas. These blanks look great though. Wow. 13:21 Mon Jun 1

The line connecting the eye and the nose makes it look strange, like a ridge. Also, the jaw looks a little wobbly at the bottom. Perhaps smooth out the lines? --EosOfTheDawn (talk) 17:56, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Made the whiskers longer, as per Burntclaw's suggestion earlier on that I somehow didn't notice, and smoothed out the jaw line. That's the point of the nose line, though. Cats do have a ridge connecting the nose to the eyes. Jayie Unwritten words~ 19:10, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

is it possible to make the right hind leg (to us) look a little less flat footed? like since cats are always on their toes, it just looks tad odd. (i promise im not trying to be rude) 19:46, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it was intentional, but the bottom of the top jaw looks a bit too flat. Maybe try rounding it just by a couple pixels in places could remedy this? If you think its fine, then by all means ignore me. =P These look wonderful, Jayie. 21:41, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I made the top jaw a little rounder. As for the paw, I was told by Stealthfire to make it flatter, so I'm hesitant to switch it back, though I agree that it's a little too flat. I'm only doing this because I've gotten two different opinions on this - but what do other people think I should do? Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:52, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

I think it could be rounded a little, it looks very flat at the moment. Could you also smooth out the line on the leg that is the furthest away from us? 11:25, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Cloudstar (Ki) - For Approval
This pattern is extremely hard to shade. All colors are from the leader, and that is the pattern I'm matching, as it was first in the set. Yes, he's tinted purple.

sorry to say, but I cant see the shading verry well on his legs or his tail, mind defining both of them? 19:04, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste next to the hindpaw 00:21, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. There shouldn't be waste with how I layer my images..

Very bootiful indeeds. Defin the light on the back paw and darken the shading just a   tiny bit     14:40, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Blue the shading just a bity on <--- that paw 15:01, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, Bramble. Are you sure that's not a patch of gray you're asking me to blur? I know it might look hard-edged, but that's not actually shading right there... I don't think... You asked me to define the leg shading, and I think smudging it would probably defeat that purpose. Hell, I actually think the paw shading for that one needs to be defined anyways- I can't tell it apart from the gray, but I could be wrong, given that my screen's color calibrations are slightly different from yours.

From my screen, it looks good so.. -- Nachtide  The  Wikian   Squad 04:15, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Might be a gray patch seeing it looks almost exactly the same as the other colour of gray 21:51, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Could you possibly define the shading on the back hindpaw? I'm having difficulty seeing it. 21:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

With the way the pattern is, I don't actually think I can do that without it being pretty much solid purple shading. I tried that before when Brambleshade asked me and I had an extremely rough time trying to even define it that much. I'm not trying to be difficult or anything- this is just a hellish pattern to shade.

Fernsong (Ki) - For Approval
I forgot how to charart. 03:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

No, you didn't. =P Can you define the ear pink? I can't really see it.

Re-Uploaded  03:12, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Do you want the file? I have both the apprentice and Jayie's warrior. 10:15, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Oyes that would be great thank you! 15:21, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, do you have an email or something I could send it to? 17:20, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Slightfoot (W) ~ For Approval
All color-picked from the apprentice 07:46, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Smoothen out the texture more and widen the white chest. 14:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

i would recommend very dull highlights since i used those for the apprentice, and the texture needs to be smudged a lot. 16:16, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Remove the waste around the tail, it looks like there was a longhaired blank that wasn't completely erased. 18:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re-ups - not sure if I got the waste, I couldn't see any waste on my computer >   ><    <  23:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

You did ^.^ Blur the shading a little bit, I'm not sure if it's the texture affecting it on my screen, but it looks a bit hard edged 21:46, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Lizardtail (W) ~ For Approval
lizardsquad.png 16:02, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and feet farthest from us 16:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * define the neck shading aswell plez 19:20, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

The light is coming from the front, therefore the front legs do not need shading. And the neck is fine as well. wtf david you're too good at this 04:02 Sun May 31

re-uploaded there isnt any neck shading to define lmfao 19:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Smooth the shading? 21:49, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the head, if there is any. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 20:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Beepaw (K) Withdrawn
I didn't do too well, but I tried my best.The Legendary Lion (talk) 17:15, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

The title should say "For Evaluation", and the image looks to be cut off by the tail. And the color is leaking over the lineart on the legs 18:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the white box around the image?The Legendary Lion (talk) 18:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so first, What program do you use? 19:19, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I use pixlr.The Legendary Lion (talk) 20:01, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok,lets see, do you use layers? 20:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Uh, no.The Legendary Lion (talk) 20:05, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, your going to have to use layers, do you know how to create layers? 20:06, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

No, but is there a guideline on this wiki that says how to?The Legendary Lion (talk) 20:24, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Its only for GIMP but, here, join so I can show you. https://join.me/716-900-754 20:28, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

This needs to match Bramble's apprentice: File:Beepaw.apprentice.png so that means you're going to need texture, and also the eye color has to match. Can you add shading in places besides the legs and the tail and please blur the existing shading? 20:41, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

He's getting there, I just need to let him get used to layers, Ice 20:42, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I need help with layers, it doesen't work. If no one helps me, this will be withdrawn.The Legendary Lion (talk) 21:38, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I reuploaded, but no success on the layers part.The Legendary Lion (talk) 21:57, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

OK, that's it, I'm giving up.The Legendary Lion (talk) 22:04, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Lion, when you post an image, you need to make sure that it is not reserved first. You also need to reserve it on the project charart page. Storm &#9835;  01:26, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sharpclaw (SC) (Alt. Rogue) ~ For Approval
Right Alt? ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  19:49, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I would suggest darkening or defining the shading more and define the light on the legs aswell. I would also smudge the stripes up and down instead of leaf and right. 19:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back legs. 22:06, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Real sorry about that, I didn't see Bramble's comment. I'm so dumb 22:08, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

This is a great way to smudge the stripes, I don't think you need to change it. Maybe smooth out the shading overall, nicely done Sun! :) 15:36, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re~Upped Thank you Silver. :)  ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  16:17, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the light on the back leg farthest from us Storm  &#9835;  18:31, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and face. Looks good ^.^ 21:53, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Silverstream (Alt Q) ~ For Approval
omfg redone queen 05:33, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Omfg how gorgeous can this get!!! Smooth out tail shading, define shading on /our/ right front leg and left back leg. Oh right, with this source, should her shoulder shading be on the left too? Such a beauty!!!!!! 15:38, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded The shoulder is fine, I used the same source on Lilyheart and no one had a problem with it. 08:05, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but not all shading places work on all colours the same way, even if they do have the same light source; don't just say 'fine' and be done with it. It looks lazy. Anyway! Smooth out the shading on everywhere besides the tail. Smudge it a little or something. This is looking gorgeous though. Very nice job o: 13:17 Mon Jun 1

She gave a reason so I don't see it lazy :P The shading looks smooth enough to me (and I love the fricken style Foxy uses on her shadings) but I think it should be extended a bit^^ OMG I totally getting charmed by this I can't stop staring at it! :o 13:23, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Berry, the lightsource doesn't get affected by the color and it depends on its position. The color of the shading could be altered, but the lightsource itself doesn't. I added a bit of shading there, smoothed it out and expanded it everywhere except for the tail. And thanks a ton ^^ 13:27, June 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know the source doesn't get affected by the colour. All I was saying is that "it worked fine on another image so it's okay" feels lazy to me. Shading can be affected by colour and pattern, no matter the source. ( oh boy i hope im allowed to comment with just this it's been like a year ) 13:34 Mon Jun 1

Sorry for being vague about that. And ok 13:38, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Littlecloud (Alt. mca) ~ For Approval
I'm not sure if I trash the old image so I named it alt2, Snowy please rename it for me if I was supposed to replace it thanks :) btw please let this be the right alt... 16:13, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Incredibly Beautiful. I was worried with the right alt but im pretty sure this is the correct one. Can you blur the shading on the leg a tieenie bit? I love this    ~ Sunstream   ☽☾ Ruler of the Darkness  16:20, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

hmm, define the shading and the earpink. I can't see either very well. Also use different colours on the leaves instead of one main colour. 21:34, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups I colorpicked everything from the mc, but I do agree with you so I kinda modified it. For the herbs they don't have to be different colors, just to be shaded. However I like them in different colors anyway, so.. Yeppies! Also smudged the leg shading^^ Thanks Sun! 23:46, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on <-- this ear? ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 02:38, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

re-ups  09:35, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

This is kind of a matter of personal preference, but maybe extend the highlight on his chest down a bit? If you feel it's fine feel free to ignore this. this is a lovely image though well done 13:36 Mon Jun 1

Shouldnt the nose be pink instead of brown? 21:37, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

The nose is pink, I think, just not very bright pink. Blur/smudge the leg shading just a teeny bit. Beautiful work, Silver. 21:43, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Isn't his nose said to be brown? 23:46, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Well, his cited description says his nose is brown, but I believe the alt is based off of the picture from cats of the clans, where the nose appears pink, so shouldn't you match that? My apologies if I'm wrong. 01:41, June 2, 2015 (UTC)