Warriors Wiki talk:Charart/Archive 70

New Blanks?
I said I was going to start one of these! XD But we really need to get our blank situation settled, because we had a conversation on 'other leader' blanks awhile back and we haven't talked about it since, and some users (though a small percent) still think we should have mentor blanks (myself included). If you have any other ideas for blanks put them here for the project to discuss. And if a majority thinks we ne a new blank then we could have a vote or something. 12:07, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

"Mentor" isn't really considered a rank, is it? And... what do you mean by "other leader blanks"? I'm thinkin' maybe for the mentor blanks, but it's technically a job, not a rank, and almost every cat would get one. Besides... what would they look like anyway? This is just my opinion... disagree if you feel you want to. 13:00, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Mentor should never get a blank. Blanks as for ranks, not for tasks. For the "other leader" blank, that was a discussion from ages ago, discussing the use of the "Leader" blank from the clan set for cats who lead a group, but are not clan leaders. 13:39, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

We've already said no to the mentor blanks at least three times. We don't need to bring those up again. However, the non-clan leader blanks quite a few people supported, and the discussion was just dropped..... I still support those. 14:07, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

"Mentor" is not a rank, as everybody has pointed out. If there were Mentor blanks, we would have to have messenger blanks, patrolling blanks, ect. Also, it would be too much extra work. It's unneeded in my thought, and just a way to kill boredom when there aren't any chararts to do. 14:39, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

This is the at least the third or fourth time someone has suggested this...and the answer is no, each and every time. A mentor is not a rank. It's a job given to them by a leader of a Clan. If we made a blank for them, we'd need one for a Senior Warrior, a Patrol Leader, ect. It's useless and would take up way too much time. Guys, actually read the archives on why we're against ideas like this before suggesting them again. It's the same every time.

No I get that Stoney pretty much has exactly why I want the mentor blank, but I'm not all for it I think we couild live without one. But the reason I made this is because I'm sick of waiting a month before someone proposes a new blank that we need. So basically I just want to get all the blanks we need done. As for the other leader blank I don't know if we need one. And I know this is kind of unrelated but queens and kits are the same for all cats, but apprentices and leaders aren't. I get why, but it isn't very consistent, tribe queens are called kit-mothers, and there apprentices are called to-bes. But the blanks for the queens and kit-mothers are the same and apprentices and to-bes are different. 21:29, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

what do you mean that's why you want one? You want one cause you're bored? And also, it's not we can live without them, we're not having them. At all. Like we've said, this has been brought up about 4 times, and we've decided without a doubt they're not needed. 05:02, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Multiple alts.
On page 49 of The Last Hope, Ratscar was called fox-red. Later, on page 59, Molepaw is called a brown-and-white apprentice. On page 245, Darkstripe is called a black tabby. Crowfeather is described with a black pelt on page 308 and somewhere in Twilight (Don't have the book, so I don't know where), and Hawkfrost is called a gray tom on page 319. Also, Redtail is called russet on pages 328 and 329. Wouldn't they get alts. for that?

Also, Pinenose is called a queen on page 272, Boulderpaw has become a warrior (Named Boulderfur, revealed on pg. 267), there is a new ShadowClan apprentice, Stoatpaw, and in After the Flood, Cherrytail is revealed to be expecting Sharpclaw's kit on page 17. One more thing; Mosspelt 's been a queen ever scince her daughter, Willowshine, became Mothwing's apprentice. Shouldn't she have a non-pregnant queen charart? 21:12, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ratscar, yes. Molepaw, maybe. Darkstripe, yes (mine). Crowfeather, no. Hawkfrost, definitely. Redtail... maybe? Was it referring to just his tail?

Pinenose, yes. Boulderfur, yes. Stoatpaw's already being done. Cherrytail isn't a queen yet, still a warrior as far as I heard. No to Mosspelt. For all we know, she could be having multiple litters. Better to not assume. 21:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

It say, "A russet tom followed, glittering with stars," on page 328 and on page 329, it reads ""These cats gave Firestar his nine lives...Redtail-" he nodded to the russet warrior- gave him a life for courage."" (Another mistake, as he gave him justice) 21:36, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and scince Lilykit and Seedkit got alts. for being mistakenly called tortoiseshells by one of the Hunters (can't remember which), wouldn't Mapleshade get a tortie warrior alt.? 21:50, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

She already has a tortie alt of the manga so there's no point in making another for that. 22:37 Wed Apr 4

Another thing; I was going through The Rise of Scourge, an I reallized that Boulder was a solid cat, not a tabby. Wouldn't he get an alt for that? 20:08, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

If you have a citation for it, then yes, he would  22:14, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Rise of Scourge, Boulder is shown as a solid gray tom on page 76. I got dibs. 13:25, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Adios~
Eh. I thought this over...and I won't be on a break. Most of you SM's who hang around the chat already know this, but I've decided to leave the project for good..things just haven't seemed...right.. around here for a while, and I want a long break from it all. So, this is good bye, and I hope everything goes well for you all. ^^ 00:19, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Leggy..... You're dead lucky I'm not home right now, otherwise I would be spamming you. 'kay, all Kelsey rage aside... I really wish you wouldn't leave PCA...

No, Daddy, No! No leaving us! We'll miss you! 01:37, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Leggy, no! 8C You will be missed, but I respect your choice. =( 01:41, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Aww bye Leggy D8 Hope you come back soon! 01:56, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Farewell. I hope that your league of minions don't follow suit. 03:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Leggy...DDDX You should be glad I'm not in the mood for a rage/rant right now. You'll be majorly missed by all of us, but I'll respect your choice...just, try to return to us, hun. Please? 06:06, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

8O How shocking! No.... DDDX PCA will truely miss you, it wouldn't ever be the same. 09:00, 18, 04, 2012

WHAT? WHY? Leggy :(((((( 12:21, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Gah, everyone is disapparating. ;.; May StarClan the Dark Forest guide your path. 8D Skt Here. Yes. Right here. 12:53, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Everyone is leaving 8c. Well, PCA will miss you! 8C  18:19, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

D8 Noo. Leggy is leaving us too? Come back soon..please? 19:57, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm so sorry...
...but I'm leaving. Yep. You heard it. You're losing a warrior who can do a hell of a lot better job in some other project that really needs help. I'm sorry, but seeing people fight over colors, patterns, and pixels is not what I want to worry about. Once Cinderpelt's alt and Duke's kittypet are archived (I assume by the end of April) I'll be gone. If they're not, someone else take them. I'll come back when I'm ready to, hopefully sometime in late May or early June, once school's out and I have time on my hands. You guys are going to kill me for this, I know, but it's only for some weeks. 19:09, 04 18, 2012

Aww why Mooneh? I respect your decision, though. Come back soon!!-- 19:24, April 18, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine

Mooneh...no...now our warriors? This is getting ridiculous...we'll miss you so much. ;.; *clings* 22:10, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

DDx Moonehhh... noo... well, it's your decision, do what you think is right ;) Come back when you feel like it. Aaand... I'm gonna miss you. PCA won't be the same without seeing your beautiful artwork on the pages of WW. Come back when you feel up to it and byeeeee 22:19, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

D'awwwww.... :( I'm sorry to hear that Mooneh. Your artwork was beautiful, hope to see you around soon! 08:42, 19, 04, 2012

Dovewing
Shouldn't Dovewing have a queen image if it's confirmed she'll have kits with Bumblestripe? LiL Luv Chocolate 10:12, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe...since Cinderheart got one. Where's the cite that says she has his kits? 11:05, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I think somewhere on Kate's blog, but I'm not sure. 12:54, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I vote yes; Cinderpelt has one. But yeah, cite it first. 13:25, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I personally think that Cinderheart and Dovewing don't need queen images, since what Kate says on her blog could very well be false, and it's more of her opinion then information...But since Cinderheart got a queen image, I guess it's a yes... 14:39, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

If an author states it, unless it is later contradicted by a book (like with Lilykit and Seedkit's descriptions), then it's canon. As long as you can cite it and she doesn't say something like "Yeah, I think she'd end up having Bumblestripe's kits" or something like that, as long as she says that she has kits definitely, then yeah, we can add that information to Dovewing's article and make her a queen charart. 16:02, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

If Kate says it to be true, without the usage of "I think", or words of that nature, than yes, it's canon. She'll get a queen image like Cinderheart did, but, whether it would be her main one, I don't know.

If she says so then yes, but I don' remember her saying that that do anywhere. The closest thing is when someone asked what LionxCinder's and DovexBumble's kits names would be, and she said "my guess is as good as yours" but she could just be talking about LionxCinder, so that is not a valid cite for them having kits. She didn't answer my question on Facebook, and we can't use Vicky's answer to me as a cite either, so if you've seen it somewhere else, you need to have another citation that I have not mentioned 17:59, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Since you have decided she does get a queen image, can i reserve it?-- 22:30, April 19, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine

It's first come, first serve. >.>

We need a citation first. I'll go look for it, but until then, there shall be no reserving. 22:47, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I looked at all the pages on Kates Blog (spoiler page for TLH) and I didn't see it, just her saying that they became mates. 19:51, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Welp, then, she gets no queen pixil. Sorry guys. 22:29, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ohai
Yah... I can't just sit back watching the members of this project disappear. e.o I felt kinda guilty leaving when I did, plus I miss you peoples x3 So yah... I'm rejoining the project and the wiki (Trololol I promise next time I'll use the Vacation List x3) owo I won't be visiting chat very much though, due to some drama and stuffz... Will I be added back as a warrior? ouo 00:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Fallow! I am so happy you're back! Welcome back to PCA. o3o 00:28, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Pouncey! <33333 Welcome back 8DD! 07:19, 20, 04, 2012

<333333333 Oh, Pouncey, what would we do without you? <333 Welcome back~ 07:21, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! *glomps* Glad you're back ;)  14:36, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Cause I can't
Sit by and watch members leave. o-o I came back, because someone talked "sense" into me. (<3 Luff ya Fallow) I was being lazy yesterday when I was writing this and completely screwed it up. But I came back and Im just gunna go be weird now. <333 19:15, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tweeeeee~! 8D Glad to have you back too <33333 21:43, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

<3 Twee! We missed you, glad to see you come back. 01:32, 21, 04, 2012

I can't...
...stay away from you guys any longer~! Even though I never actually left xD 8D So I'm not leaving...I decided not to after all. :3 22:47, 04 22, 2012

Welcome back, Mooneh! 8D You make this project a better place. C; 22:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Mooneh! :D Welcome back! 07:19, 23, 04, 2012

<3 Mooneh~ Welcome back~! 07:32, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion
Ok, I checked to see if anybody needs art, but apparantly every character has art (with the exception of cats with an unknown pelt color), so maybe it's time for a blank re-do? Just a suggestion. 21:55, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

...That's not how this project works. We did not redo the blanks because we were running out of charart, we redid the blanks because of the anatomy. 22:01, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that. But what is the project to do in the meantime while we're waiting for DOTC? 22:05, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Tweaks, redos, things like that. But just because we've "run out of images" doesn't mean we have grounds to make a blank. We don't make them because we feel like it, we make them because it's necessary. 22:07, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Or you could focus on projects that actually contribute to the quality of the Wiki, such as PC, PB, or PW. PCA is not the only thing on this website. 22:09, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Loonie..... three edit conflicts.... honestly. x.x But yes, Loon's right. And also, if there's no art left to do, that's a good thing. It means we've done our job. IT does not mean we should go put that work to waste by redoing a blank just cause we're bored. Go edit something else. There's plenty in other projects that have to be done, and very little in PCA. If you're that bored, there's plenty else to do on the wiki. 22:13, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

PCA isn't always about working on blanks. _-_;;;;

Seriously, find another project to work with. I, myself, lead PB, and I'm a contributing member of PC. (and y'all wonder why I have so many edits..xDD) All of the other projects have tons of work that needs to be done, so why not help them out instead of devoting all of your time to PCA? I know I don't.

To be honest, one of the reasons that I'm taking a break from my SW duties and trying to contribute less is so that I can make more contributive edits to the Wiki. If you've looked at the recent activity, you should notice that I'm trying to help out with the Erin Hunter Chats since they can use cleanup, citations, and trivia added to articles. Please do not think that we redo blanks and images just because we can, because that is detrimental to throw away all of our hard work just for that. But yeah. If you can't find anything to do here, there's plenty to do elsewhere on this Wiki, trust me. 05:10, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Joing request for ChanCharm
Hi, I want to join this project to make it a better place. I'm fairly decent at art and cat anatomy, and I'd think I could be some use here. Thank you for your patience. :) ChanCharm 03:56, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, please read the guidelines and refer to the tutorials or request a mentor if you need help. 04:41, April 25, 2012 (UTC)