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Queen Blanks ~ For Approval
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

The lineart looks choppy in places, could you smoothen it out a bit? One way to do this is add a few pixils to the edges where it curves and it gives the illusion of smoothness  21:08, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also, now that I have a bit more time to comment, the shoulder of the paw on the ground is much too defined and large right now, and the place where it connects to the head is lined up in a way that it doesn't look connected to the actual leg. Try and follow the curve of where the lines would be if they were visible. The front paw that's on the ground also looks a bit twisted with that extra line on our left side. I'm not sure if that's the dew claw or a line to try and define the paw some more. If it's the dew claw, make it stick out a bit from the leg, so it appears more like an actual toe that has mass to it. The chest needs to follow the curve of the belly more, and as I said before, the chest would be in front of our right front leg at this angle. The place the elbow connects to the body shouldn't be visible. Try and thin out the haunch a bit, as she's starting to look a bit just overall chubby rather than pregnant. Our right back leg seems to both be oddly positioned (too high and too far to our left) and doesn't quite look clearly like a paw. It looks more like the bend in the leg right now, but nothing goes past the bent front foot that would show. Try and make the tail a bit more of a consistent thickness, only getting slightly thinner at the tip, and overall just slim it down a bit. Also, the eyes look a bit odd right now, like they don't quite match the way the other was drawn (trust me, I know what a pain they can be x.x), try and pick either one of them and make the other eye match a bit better. I do believe with cats, the back leg doesn't have a dew claw, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, please remove that. And try and make the shape of the back paw curve with where the toes would be, rather than just a random kind of "guessed" curve with toes added in. That's a bit hard for me to explain, and if it doesn't make sense I can redline that part. And finally, the whiskers still look kind of choppy and just not very smooth at all, try and smooth them out.

The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and straight and is throwing off the nose. The nose doesn't really look like a cat's nose, it looks more like a triangle. The muzzle needs to be smoothed out more, and the eyes' lineart seems to be choppy in places. Also, the front left (our right) leg looks like it bending in a bunch of directions and the lineart is choppy. The face sort of reminds me of one of my grade-school bus-drivers. *shudders*  21:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah gonna be away til Thursday so I'll upload then. <span style="">22:35 Mon Jul 15

I'm not trying to sound mean or anything but it has been 19 days since you reuploaded and 14 days since you said that you would update this, so I have to inquire if you're still working on this? 16:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I am, but I'm having a lot of trouble with them. I don't know if anyone would perhaps be able to offer up a redline, because I'm seriously lost. <span style="">12:00 Wed Jul 31

Redlinin' it up~ Hope this helps <span style="">00:43, 08/1/2013


 * Yeah, don't use ^^that one, I forgot stuff. Use this one. I seriously hope this helps, but since I know almost nothing of the anatomy of a cat, this is the best I could do to help c: <span style="">19:19, 08/1/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">06:05 Sat Aug 3

Where did her eye pupils go? 10:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the thigh less flat. Also, >>>this front leg seems to be very thick, also can you curve it more? The tail seems a bit...lumpy. 13:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

The lifted forepaw looks a bit small compared to the body and define the toes on it 01:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really like the way how sharply < this back leg curves. Perhaps lighten the curve? And also, the tail look a little thick for a short-haired queen, so if you could thin that a little, that'd be great. 12:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the lineart looks rather thick in places. 17:33, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The face looks lumpy. Make the thigh rounder. 01:10, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Front --> leg is a little thick and straight. And as for the thickness, a lineart width of 2 pixels would look best. Wow, good job! <span style="">08:19 Sat Aug 10

Oh yeah, and shorthair tails don't taper or grow thicker. They sort of stay the same from base to tip, except the tip is normally like, rounded at the tip. <span style="">17:24 Sat Aug 10

Yes, still working, but I've not had much of a chance to use a computer the past few days. I'll upload about Monday (for me, about Sunday-ish for you guys.) <span style="">08:34 Sat Aug 10

I suggest curving the tail a bit more at the top, and readjusting the tail lineart to go along side with it, so that it's easier to deal with. Just a suggestion, though. 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded look, I'm sorry guys but I've just been so busy and I just feel like crap. Added to that shitloads of homework and constant teasing and nonstop name-calling and you get a very distracted Berry who is about to break. <span style="">07:13 Mon Aug 19

The back paw looks unnatural. Maybe just smooth out the back paw a little bit. Dewfire (talk) 04:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

In the back on the <--- paw, there's a stub. I'm not sure what it is, but I think you should get rid of it. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 20:47, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, maybe make the tail more curvy at the tip and curve this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:33, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the face face looks choppy in some places and smooth out this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:35, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's okay berry, everyone has times in their life where things suck, take your time. The wrist area (or whatever) on the right front paw looks a bit thin, but slightly in an unnatural way. Can you make it thicker?

The tail is still shaped unnaturally... I'm sorry ;.; Just remember life has its ups and downs, and right on this screen you've got a whole society full of understanding leads and lowerclass users who respect you and admire your talent. Stay strong Berry :3 <span style="">03:57 Tue Aug 27

Oh and, I wanted to use your blanks in a personal image and tweaked the lineart for anatomical purposes. Link is here. Play around with the opacities and colors to help you make the blanks. hope this helps :3 <span style="">04:33 Tue Aug 27

The back right (their left) hind leg is in an awkward position, and the face is much too round. I hate to say this but face on your very first version were one of my favorites. The chest is kind of awkward, and the left foreleg (our right) should be curved a tad, and it is too large. The paws are too square, and the tail needs to be smoothed out. The bridge of the nose should be curved a bit more and the eyes should be more oval shaped. The ears are on an awkward angle. The right (our left) whiskers need to be made longer. 22:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

The paws look blobby and maybe make the nose more realistic like a cat's and instead of a basic triangle. 20:32, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I feel really bad about saying this, Berry, but you've been working on this for over 3 months now and I feel like you still haven't made a sufficient amount of improvement, and that lately you haven't been very active. I really, really love these blanks, im so sorry ;.; School and especially bullying is really hard to cope with, but I feel like it's for the good of the project. ;.; <span style="">04:34 Tue Sep 3

It's not entirely her fault she's without a computer sometimes. Regardless, it will be discussed, I guess, as to what should be done with the blanks. While I don't mind letting Berry keep them, that's just my opinion. What say you, guys? The opinions of two are not the entire project consensus, mind you.

Meadowslip (W) ~ CBA
Meadowslip is back, and I made sure I was in the table this time! -Fixed the shading majorly- Comments? 9:43, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't see that a consistent one has been kept throughout the shading. Make the earpink more of a pink color, it's tending towards purple now. Also, blur the shading a lot, it's looking blotchy as of now. <span style="">01:00, 07/16/2013

Oh, also, remove the background. <span style="">01:11, 07/16/2013

Also, add more shading, and some on the head, and make it darker. <span style="">02:33 Mon Jul 16

Define the light on her front legs. 16:42, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur shading a ton, add light to front legs, expand earpink, and make the earpink less neon and more pink/paleish grayish. I feel like the color description I just gave you is extremely vague, so around this hex code=>8A7266 nice job so far. :] <span style="">22:58 Mon Jul 16

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Kelpsey. And, sorry this took awhile. I'm not sure if this is what you guys were looking for, but while I was working on it, I did a darker shading and a lighter ear pink. If you guys hate the shading texture, I'll change it. 01:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still no light source. You need to find where the light is coming from (ie; top right) and then figure out where the shaded areas would be based on that. There's a shading chart here on the tutorials that you can look at if you need to. And define the earpink and make it a bit more grayish? It can barely be seen and still looks a bit neon-ish, imho. Try around #be9b9b? <span style="">02:16, 07/16/2013

Shimmer is right on the shading..but I think the ear pink is fine[sorry!] 09:50, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shimmer, I respect your opinion greatly on the ear pink, but if I go any grayer, it will be transparent. So I'd prefer to keep it the way it is. And it doesn't look neon, it looks pink. Also, I will redo the shading according to your wish. I was just imagining Meadowslip in the long grass, stalking a mouse when I did her shading. I'll upload around 9-10am my time. 09:53, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Shimmer on the earpink. It does still look a bit neon, and it needs to be defined, and made more gray-ish. 11:18, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading[I think it looks amazing now]. I added a light source to the shading as well. I made the pink more gray and less neon. Any more problems? 13:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs to be blurred and defined a lot.And I don't think the light source makes sense. Take a look at the warrior's shading placement here for a little guide. 14:57, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading to match with the exmp..since that's what it seemed you guys were looking for..anything else? 21:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart on the head, and the ear pink still looks too neon.

Define the shading quite a bit. 23:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Although it may be just me, she looks a bit too pale, sorta nearing gray...maybe darken the base color a bit? Only if you want, though o3o 01:50, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, this wasn't declined before because you weren't on the table, it was declined because Icy had it reserved long before you. And she still does. Declining yet again. Please check the archives when you have an image declined to see the reasoning before posting.

Oh goodness, it's been much too long. I'm sorry, I confused the one week limit on original image reservations with the two week limit on tweak calling. So Icy's reservation expired before you reserved, I'm sorry. I'll undecline this. However it is going as Under Evaluation, as you're a kit.

I think the lineart's a bit blurred in places. 13:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is not blurred, that is a darker shading. Trust me, I double checked. And, I'm not sure what "Under Evaluation" is supposed to mean. And, if Icy still wants to do Meadowslip, I can let her have it. I'm just a mild beginner at this, and I'm not that good at lighter cats as you can tell. :/ I'll practice lighter cats, though. But if Icy wants it, she can do it and I'll do a darker cat. :) I don't mind at all. ;) 19:18, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme upload again and see if you guys like it.. 19:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Under evaluation is explained in the guidelines and Icy's reservation is invalid also explained in the guidelines. The lineart should look exactly the same as it does without a base pelt, shading, earpink, and the works with the exception of maybe the eye when concerning this particular cat. The shading needs to be emphasized and blurred as well, and their ought to be some shading on the tail. 19:44, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is blurred and needs to be fixed. Also, define and blure the shading, it looks really flat. The earpink needs to be defined, I sort of have to squint to see it. Are you using layers? And what program do you use? 20:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you're working over the lineart. o.O Try working under it, as that's what's making it look off.

Could you make the gray a bit darker? Right now, it's a bit more like pale grey. 23:04, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Well, after a quick review of Meadowslip's profile, I noticed it only said gray. Not pale gray. So oh yeah, I made her gray. Fixed the line art. The line art on the head looks weird to me, but I didn't know if that's how it's supposed to be. I also fixed the shading, making sure there is a light source. Anything more? 12:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

We're not out of the woods yet. Blur the shading. 14:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried out a new tool for the shading, and it worked wonders... I think it's almost perfect now. And I fixed the line art on the head because it was driving me nuts. Are we almost out of that woods now, Sorrel? xD 17:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. Try Gaussian blurring the shading layer. Gaussian blurring will make the shading look more like shading. Right now the shading looks rather like a blurred paintbrush size 9, and nothing else. 18:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart on the head looks odd. I would like you to fix that. Also, you can raise the opacity and rate of your blur tool to make it blur much more than that. And the ear pink is a little neon, and you can see here to grab a color that would suit gray more. Blur the ear pink some more. Also, the shading looks very flat, and define the highlight on the back paws if you'd like. The lineart is blurred in some places. Do you use layers, by any chance? 20:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes I use layers. And I use GIMP, Hawky. Also, blurred the ear pink more. Put some highlight on the back paws. Increased my blur rate[didn't know you could do that xD]. And I have it set as a much darker gray...I don't know why the wikia isn't uploading it right. :/ 20:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart still looks odd... it's like it was "painted over"... and the shading needs to be darkened, blurred, and spread out a little more (last part is imho and totally optional).

Re-uploaded. Spread it a little and blurred it, but I didn't do it too much because I feared it would look pixelated. I also fixed the lineart, sorry that I painted over it a little..anything else? 21:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It still needs expanding and defining. Use the shading placement link I gave you, and did you try using Gaussian blur? 21:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart and the earpink looks a bit neon. 19:12, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading. Fixed the lineart. Fixed the earpink.

It still appears as if the lineart is either blurred or 'painted over'. The shading needs to be darkened some, expanded, and probably blurred a bit. <span style="">12:10, 07/22/2013

Define the earpink/make it more pinker ^^  23:14, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

The lineart is still messed up. If you're using layers, the lineart should be the top layer, or second to top, depending on how you make your eyes and ear pink. o3o

Re-uploaded. There had been darker shading around the lineart, causing it to look painted over. I fixed all of it.

Ehhh, lineart still looks choppy in some places.

As for the lineart, may I suggest to go get another lineart image, open it on a layer above the image, selecting and then ctrl+x away the white, and then making your old lineart layer invisible? It'll fix any lineart issues, if you want to do so. Also, can you please add some more shading to the back of the cat (use a black airbrush airbrush at about 20), and the back of the legs, and darken it. Then blur it some more. This image is making great progress, keep up the good work! 16:22, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Smear the pelt into the earpink. 00:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define (or rather, darken) the shading by the chest area. Want2know (talk) 15:26, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I would actually suggest to get rid of the shading on the chest, as it doesn't match the light source on the paws. Are you still working on this? 17:16, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

._. Someone earlier told me to put shading there, though. And yeah I'm still working, been busy though. My image will be up later on today, as I am redoing the whole thing because I couldn't take the line art thing anymore. Which I don't mind doing it, since I wanted to try out some shading Rave recommended to me. 11:31, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

You need to upload today, or else this image will be declined, Darkfrost. You have one week from the last upload to upload again, or else it's considered lack of work.

Re-uploaded. Got a darker gray to work. And, it looks so unfinished because it is. Due to Cloudy's threat, I had to upload it when it wasn't done. So I will accept your comments. I need them greatly. ._. 12:54, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and where's the earpink? 12:59, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. And like I had said before, Sorrel. It wasn't finished due to Cloudy. And I also blurred the shading for you. 13:32, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Please stop saying it's Skye's fault you didn't get your image finished. .-. It's not her fault. The earpink is still too neon, try the colour hex code #d7aeae. <span style="">13:41 Mon Jul 29

Re-uploaded. How's that? And sorry for slamming Cloudy.. 14:23, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur your shading a bit. 16:43, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, one week without uploads is standard procedure for PCA. .-. If I see one more negative comment towards myself or any user, I'll decline your image. we've done that before for users who decide to blame others and be rude, and I won't hesitate to do it again if you're being rude. I didn't threaten you, as it's part of the guidelines. That being said, thicken your shading too.

Now senior warriors could also be a bit less rude in when we're saying images are going to be declined in the first place, now can't we? Either way, move that highlight on the head up to the top of the face, if that makes sense, and add some shading to the back of the shoulder. <span style="">18:30 Mon Jul 29 2013

Re-uploaded. How's that, Raelic? 00:40, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. ^Changed my shading light source because I didn't like the one I had before. 00:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Add some shading to the ear furthest from us, and blur the shading a bit. 02:41, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 03:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and where's the ear pink? It appears to have vanished or blurred away. I can't see it at all.

Re-uploaded. Blurred the shading a lot. And I put more ear pink in there. 00:55, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred. I'd suggest maybe going to your shading layer, and using Filters>Blur>Gaussian blur, and using it at a rate between 13-23? Also, the shading covers up the forehead of the cat, where it wouldn't be due to the light source, maybe thin/erase that a bit? And last, the cat appears to be more brown instead of grey right now, if you could fix that real quick. Looking good~ 02:16, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Is this what you were looking for? -I'll change name back if it is- I'll also fix the head shading if it is. But first, I need to know if it looks right to you on the blurring. 02:38, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart's all blurred now. Also, you need to upload over the old file. Not make a new one. And am I missing something...? Why's she brown? Her description is gray.

Paleh, I swear it is your computer, because it reveals dark gray to everyone else. And to me, personally. So sadly, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, the file will be uploaded over the old one. I was testing the gaussian blur, which there has been a reason I have not used it before. Knight, it is not brown either. It is not. So, yeah. I'll put up the real image and you guys can start commenting on it again. 11:12, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Used a lighter shading. How's that? 11:44, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can we not get snippy, please? Each monitor has a different color level, and theirs might be different from yours, which is why it could be showing up brown for them. So, anyways, define the shading, especially on the paws, legs, neck, and tail.

I don't know whether it's a monitor issue, but she looks more brown to me, than grey, as well. Could you also define the earpink a tad? 14:03, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Try filling the base color of the cat with hex code color #939393? 16:45, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how to explain this, but, curve the shading with the body to make it look like it fits snugly. Lol I probably sound like a freak but look at these photos. Notice how they curve convexly where the shoulders and back... shoulders? are. try to have your image do the same :) If this doesn't make sense, then forget about it because I'm probably just being a picky idiot XP <span style="">05:16 Thu Aug 1

Re-uploaded. I took your suggestion, Kelpsey, because I knew exactly what you were talking about, and that your not a picky idiot. xD And Knight, I used your hex code, how does it look now? I defined the shading more, and tried out the gaussian blurring again. How's it look? -I made sure there was no smudged, painted over, or faded lineart about 7 times before uploading- xD 12:51, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading; it's looking kinda blotchy. <span style="">13:14 Thu Aug 1 2013

There appears to be some missing lineart from the front leg...

Add a little more shading where the front leg meets the belly; the chest highlight looks too bit to match the light source 02:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add some more depth to the shading. 02:16, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added depth. Added the missing lineart. Added more shading where the leg meets the belly. Blurred the shading so it's no longer blotchy. 12:46, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define light on the tail and define light on the hindpaw. 12:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 13:21, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Decided to blur the shading a lot more, so it looks better. More comments? I'm bored. 13:50, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the haunch, and lighten up the base pelt. Right now, it looks like a dark gray-brown. Blur the shading a lot more. What I would recommend for blurring is to change the rate of your blur tool to 100, and you'll find that at the bottom of the brush opacity and tools. Blur it until it doesn't looks as solid anymore. Also, expand the highlight on the face, and define the earpink please. 14:03, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:05, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Now the erapink seems neon, and blur the shading some more, along with darkening it a tad more, not too much. 17:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading slightly, and made the earpink less neon. 20:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Some earpink has leaked into the lineart layer. Also, it looks more of a solid color and two lighter patches where the 'highlights' are. Add some depth to the shading to depict it from the actual pelt color, and soften the 'highlights'. Looking good! <span style="">21:50 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Splook! Fixed the earpink that had leaked into the lineart. Fixed the solid color areas with some highlights. Added more depth to the shading. 23:59, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a tad more. In this state, I recommend blurring the shading at rate 15-20 with gaussian blur. Also, the earpink seems to have disappeared. 00:11, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had re-uploaded the new version right after you commented on my talk page, but I didn't know you'd comment on this so I said nothing. But I used the gaussian blur. ;) 00:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some shading/color receding from the closest foreleg and the head. 02:00, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear pink, since I can't see it at all..and the back two feet (back of the image, not back of the cat, so it'd be the two we can't fully see) appear to not have shading.

Re-uploaded. 12:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart appears to be thicker in some places than it should be. I compared it to Flamepelt's warrior, and it doesn't quite seem to be the same. The image also appears to be overblurred, and it causes the color to fade, making it look like this. o.o

Maybe make the ears a little more pink, and also maybe make her pelt a little lighter. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:42, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why does her pelt need to be lightened? I think the color is fine. I think the color is fine, as it is a gray cat. But it does need to be defined a bit. Also, can you blur the shading on the paws? They look black. 01:07, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Flamepelt's warrior was only just approved or is still in the process-haven't checked-. Also, he is too light of a cat to compare lineart's with. I compared Meadowslip's to Dustpelt's, and they matched exactly. I think it's the shading that makes it look like that. Also, Frosty was also telling me as she read through these that she will not change the earpink. It is staying like that. She said only if someone agrees with Creamtail, since Frosty believes someone will tell her "It's too neon" or "make it grayer." But I still hate disagreeing with Cloudy .-. Keep it up, Frosty~ c: 12:59, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed almosteverythingthat was brought up. And Raven, if you scare me with a message as big as that again, we're gonna have a talk xD 13:28, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was talking about Flamepelt's lineart, not the actual image, which which all lineart for shorthaired warriors should match unless it's a required lineart tweak. Which, according to PS, when I zoom in, there's missing and blurred lineart throughout certain parts of the image.

Yes, I know you were talking about the lineart. But she has darker shading near the lineart, since it's a darker cat. And I don't see any more blurred and missing lineart. She might have repaired it all. But I'll double check.. 22:29, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Re-did the whole image, and it turned out better than I expected. I have no lineart missing or faded now, my shading moves along with Meadowslip's body. I tried a slightly lighter color of pelt, if everyone prefers the darker one[I don't care, I like both, maybe the darker better] I'll change it back. Any comments? 01:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Woahh she looks sooo much better!:3 great job! Add/define earpink-it seems forgotten. wow, amazing! <span style="">17:25 Sat Aug 10

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much! :3 I'm even surprised by how good my image looks. xD 13:04, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading a smidge? This looks wonderful! 17:25, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source on the tail - I can't see any. 17:26, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Knight! :D 21:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

There's some miscolored/blurred lineart on the ear, tail, and haunch. <span style="">21:20 Sat Aug 10

Define the overall shading. Keep in mind that define does not equal darken, however.

Re-uploaded. 01:01, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source and shading on the tail some. 03:45, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a tad and try defining the earpink (maybe saturate it a bit more). Pretty. :3

Can you define the shading near the top of tbe head a little bit? This is over 50% complete, so I'll change the title, and move you to an apprentice. 03:58, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much, Knight! c: and thank you, Stone! I fixed that pesky tail shading, smoothed out the rest, and defined the head shading. 12:24, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ and I blurred the earpink a little. 12:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur, define, and darken the shading please. 02:38, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Not sure if this was what you were looking for, Duck... 12:56, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot more. 17:26, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Okay, so, to tell you all the truth, I hated the shading on the last one, so I redid it, also because I wanted to try out a new shading technique. Hope you guys like this one better...Comments? c: 00:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

This shading looks better. I think you should get rid of the highlight at the head, though. Wanty (talk) 01:56, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:17, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur some of the top shading where the head highlight used to be? If not, thats okay..it's not really a problem. 12:04, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dull the highlights (as it looks kinda confusing seeing one everywhere but the head?), darken and define the shading, and perhaps unblur the ear pink a bit? It seems like it's becoming a tad bit of a blob, although that could be my eyes from lack of sleep.

Hmm, << paw lineart is blurred. <span style="">00:11 Thu Aug 15

Re-uploaded. Fixed all the above. And now I know that if I don't get this CBAed in the next few hours, it'll get declined tomorrow somewhere around the late hours. But hey, I screwed the image up half way through the month, and I've learned from my mistakes. If you guys would gladly give me another month to get this approved, I would be overjoyed. c: Also, sorry if the head highlight is a little brighter, I can dumb it down a bit if someone asks. 23:52, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you give more depth to the shading? And blur the highlights so they blend more. ^^  00:13, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Urr the head highlight is a little bright. Also, where's your light source? Define paw shading(It's such a butt to shade, but use a smaller brush and itll be good). And btw, next time you make small letters or any other text abnormality always use the end tag or whatever needs to go there. <span style="">00:22 Fri Aug 16

Guys, I've got a very important question to ask you all. I felt so bad for Raven, and how she was so close to getting her image approved, that I was wondering..Is it possible for me to pass this over to her? So she can get it approved? Like, I withdraw it, then she picks it up? Reserves it and stuff? I guess she'll get her one month, on top of that. c: 02:04, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oh my gosh..Would you really do that for me?? :O 02:08, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Of course c: You're my best friend <3 !! So may I? Leads? 02:11, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

In all technicality, I don't see why not, although I'm not a lead. It probably would have been easier for you, Darkfrost, to just take over Bristlekit, wait a few days, and then give her back to Ravenfrost had Bloo not already asked, though I suppose it doesn't matter who's asked or who hasn't unless it's been reserved. 02:18, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

That is a good idea..We should have done that! Would Bloo mind? But its probably late now, isn't it? Thanks, I'll withdraw now and give it over to Raven. she loved Bristlekit, and she hoped he would be her first charart approved, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. 02:47, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried..not sure if I like the darker defined shaded areas, if you guys don't either, I'll change that. I tried to make sure I took everyone's advice before Frosty withdrew..But this is my first warrior, so go easy on me, and point out every flaw..'cause I'm not perfect. cx  03:20, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Couldn't stand staring at them..soo, comments? 03:29, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading at the neck, it's a bit blotchy there. Also, try to define the light source and shading. As, currently, it seems as if the light is only hitting on the lower back/rump, and a bit on the shoulders. If you use highlights, then I would suggest enlarging them on the shoulder area, and adding one for the head and one for the tail. Or, if you don't use highlights then darken/add more shading at the head and tail. And try darkening the shading overall. sorry for my rambling.

Re-uploaded. You weren't rambling, Stoner. :3 And actually, the image is supposed to be much darker then how its appearing. Wikia failure, I guess? Eh, I tried to fix everything you suggested. How's it look now? 12:19, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks a bit blotchy, and define the light on the legs, feet, and face, please. 03:35, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

The ear pink doesn't even look pink at all...it's more gray than anything. Try giving it some color?

I'll fix all of that, but can I open a new section for Meadowslip? It's kinda getting full with comments..I think I'll do that when I'm done tweaking my image ouo 11:43, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. It's supposed to look darker than this, but hey, it won't upload like that. Fixed the shading and highlights, earpink is pinker, no lineart probs, I was up close and scanning every pixel. :3 12:37, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg/feet shading.

Re-uploaded. 01:49, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a tiny bit and possibly darken the shading near the base of her tail? 18:38, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:15, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight at the base of the tail is a bit misplaced, as that area would be shaded over by the shadow of the cat; could you move that up on the cat's tail? Also, could you extend the haunch highlight a bit further? 21:54, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is slightly flat (excluding the highlights), can you try to add more depth to it? Other than that, this is really good~

Re-uploaded. Hope this was what you guys were looking for..Thanks Stoner! It means alot:) And sorry if its a bit sloppy. I just wanted to notify you all that I leave today for tent camping in Michigan, and I will have no internet. This will be my last upload until friday. Sayonara! :D 12:04, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on her face. 12:08, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

The light is on her muzzle. I personally think it looks fine, but if someone else agrees, I'll change it Friday. 12:21, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

I think the light on her face could be expanded up to touch her forehead as well, as that would have light hitting it. Also, can you blur the haunch and chest highlights more so they are smoother and blend well? Artistic speak. X3  21:28, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Define the 'highlight' on her front leg? (the one that's closest to us) ^^  00:48, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Had an awesome camping trip, by the way. c: 20:24, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

The muzzle appears to be a lighter color than what it should be? o.o Is it a stray highlight that didn't get blurred or something?

I think some of the shading is a bit blotchy in places. 12:26, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Idk if this is supposed to be there, but, there is whiteish gray on her muzzle, hind leg, chest and tail-tip. <span style="">12:35 Fri Aug 30

Yes, it's supposed to be there Cream. And the muzzle looks fine to me, Cloudy. o.o But I'll go through and blur the highlights and shading to smooth it out. 13:29, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 13:55, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading and highlights if you use them, and perhaps add more shading to <-- back leg? Like the one we can't see much of. I think it's the front left one? There's also something on the left ear that appears to be a highlight or something but maybe it needs to be smoothed out?

Re-uploaded. 22:04, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

There's some miscolored lineart on the haunch and the front leg closest to us. <span style="">19:08 Sat Aug 31

Re-uploaded. I have no idea how that got there. o_o I had to squint to see it, and it was a dull pink! That's impossible, but oh well. I also fixed the ear shading, since it was driving me insane. 19:24, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and the ear shading I believe still needs to be blended.

Re-uploaded. 20:36, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

It's been two days..may I ask for some comments? c: 11:57, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading. 16:55, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Mmmk. I'll have it up tomorrow. 23:39, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's just the opacity. Lighten it up a bit? I know shading is artist's choice, but this is too dark for the current color. Gray pixels < > front paw. I think this is almost ready to roll :3 <span style="">04:44 Tue Sep 3

Shading darkness is artist's choice, and one of our old leaders used darker shading like this. The darkness is fine, but I think it could still be blurred/blended a little more. If you need some help, don't hesitate to ask. Contrary to popular assumption, you are allowed to ask for help from a lead or another, more experienced, member.

Re-uploaded. Thank you Cloudy, it means a lot:) And Kelpsey, the gray pixels are supposed to be there. I believe its either the pelt color or the highlight[can't remember] but I know they are supposed to be there. And thanks, I hope were almost there. :D Smoothed out the shading and made it blend more. 13:04, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Just a little bit more blending with the shading? Also, define it on the tail. Short-haired tails are a pain in the rear end so. You're making great progress~

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much! ^-^ Blended the shading a little more, and defined it on the tail. c: 17:29, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

What format are you saving the file in on your computer? Because when it's uploaded to Wikia, it appears to be lighter than what's shown in the file history. When I downloaded the file, to check for blurred or missing lineart, I noticed the the file was a darker gray than what's showing up on here... It needs to be a png, as gif files don't cooperate very well. I'm not sure why, but it might be in your file settings that are causing it. I rarely ever see this happen, and I'm not sure what does it, but since it's so rare, it makes me think it might be the user's file itself, and not the one on Wikia...

I think you should blur the shading a bit more on the neck, foreleg, and tail, but otherwise it's looking good! 18:08, 9/3/2013

I think the shading is fine. As it's artists choice. And I know, Cloudy. It's as weird as crap, but I swear it is a png file. :/ I'll double check. But anyway, it looks fine on the uploaded version as well as the file..so eh! I'll check though, and if its not saved right, I'll re-upload it. 23:14, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness/lightness is artist's choice, not whether or not you should blur it... I do think t could be blurred a liiiiittle more, though.

Re-uploaded. Blurred it some more. And I checked, and it's a png file. Don't know what to tell you. If people are so set on it being like it's shown on the download file, then I'll re-do the whole image darker, so maybe it'll stay like it's shown. If everyone is cool with this, then I'll keep it like this. ;) 23:35, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the shading on the back of the shoulder a little bit and blur all of it just a touch more and I think this could be CBA'd. <span style="">1:29 Wed Sep 4 2013

Re-uploaded. Awesome! Thank you so much, Raelic! c: 02:54, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

CBA? <span style="">18:02 Wed Sep 4 2013

Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ For Approval
So after careful analysis, here's my first Charart! Hawktalon (talk) 00:04, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, and doesn't he need texture? 00:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the fur strands you see in the rogue picture? Hawktalon (talk) 00:09, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's what Beebs means. It's gotta be there, considering it's on the rogue. They've gotta match. Also, based off the rogue, there should be a lighter underbelly, muzzle, and paws. And there's some waste by the head on the <-- side. <span style="">00:13, 07/16/2013

You might also want to define the shading too. <span style="">02:09 Tue Jul 16

Shading looks a tad flat. 13:31, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Since this is your first image, I believe this needs to be 'Under Evaluation' so I changed the heading ^^  03:53, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the right ear. Thistleflight (talk) 21:24, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foreleg furthest from us. 14:54, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Also noticed some waste beside > this ear too. Very faint, but indeed waste. 11:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on it. I just need to find the texture used and then I'll reupload. Want2know (talk) 13:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes, I know there's no texture, but I still need to find the texture used. I've removed the waste and defined the shading. Hawktalon (talk) 15:54, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by "find the texture used"? You create the texture on your own, with layers and layers of work. If you don't know, you can ask Raven, the OA of the rogue image, to find out how she made it. ^^;;


 * I asked Raven, and am awaiting an answer. And as for the texture, I'd prefer to have it as close to the original texture as possible (.)^D Hawktalon (talk) 16:06, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading more. 00:57, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. With the help of Raven, I've added the texture, as well as darknened the shading. Want2know (talk) 18:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

The texture needs to be all over his body. His muzzle and underside need to be pale to match the rogue, too. 18:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I've put the texture all over the body, as well as paled the underside and muzzle. Want2know (talk) 19:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading; and make sure they layer opacities all match the rogue. Looking Good! c: <span style="">19:53 Thu Jul 25

Re-uploaded. I did what was asked. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste beside both forepaws and tail. --Ambershine223 (talk) 21:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Took out the waste. Want2know (talk) 23:29, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the darker parts of your shading? Also, his chest should be a lighter grey color, like on his paws. 17:19, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I've defined the shading by darkening it, and lightened the chest. Want2know (talk) 17:46, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Define the texture heaps. <span style="">01:37 Sun Jul 28

Re-uploaded. Added more texture so it's more visible and defined. Want2know (talk) 02:05, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading and light source; also the texture looks as though it could still be defined. <span style="">04:19 Sun Jul 28

Shading needs to be defined and your texture patches need to be blurred. 11:35, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

^ Lol! I realized when I read over my comment that I wasn't making much sense. What I mean by "blurring the texture patches" was that you should blur the highlight as it comes in contact with the fur. It looks kinda blotchy now. 11:38, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Tweaked the shading to define light source, as well as defined shading and blurred the highlight as well. Want2know (talk) 22:48, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can you try to make the shading blend in more with the pelt? Also, can you define the lighter part on his muzzle? Right now it looks like a highlight. ^^  03:36, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blended shading with the pelt and defined the light part of muzzle. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The texture does not match the rogue, so make it match more. Also, I don't see the light source. 03:11, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the texture go along with the how the fur would flow on a real cat, if that makes sense. <span style="">02:55, 08/4/2013

I see some earpink leaking out of the sides of the ears. Remove it? 02:17, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 02:24, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I completely redid the texture and shading, and now that I think about it, it looks better. Wanty (talk) 19:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on his side/belly area, and define (or darken) it on the tail, paws, and chest. 23:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened and made the shading more visile. Wanty (talk) 00:07, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the ear pink and deffine the shading more. 21:37, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps soften and define the texture, and add depth into it. <span style="">21:46 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Shaded ear pink, and added to the texture. Also added highlights *sighs* Wanty (talk) 18:42, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the lighter gray parts. 19:02, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the texture seems to disappear when it reaches the shading. 19:03, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some very faint silver/gray tabby markings on his chest and front legs. I think you should fix that. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:45, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights Wanty (talk) 17:31, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Creamtail, they do look like strips. If you want, I believe there is a tutorial for highlights on the apprentice tutorial (here) page. 01:02, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

They're supposed to be texture by the looks of it. Because they don't really look like tabby markings. But Wanty says they were highlights. So yeah. ._. Fix what they said.. 13:48, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights; on the original file I made the highlights part of the fur texture. <font color="#100c08" face="Century Gothic">Rav <font color="#483c32" face="Century Gothic>en <font color="#b2beb5" face="Goudy Old Style">Exodia! <font color="#808080" face="Goudy Old Style">It's <font color="#100c08" face="Goudy Old Style">not <font color="#0f0f0f" face="Goudy Old Style">possible! 21:23, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

^ Like my twin said :3, please get rid of the tabby marks. Make them look more like highlights, like whats on the back of the cat. 22:32, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I changed the highlights to look more natural and like highlights. Also defined the texture in the shading. Wanty (talk) 15:31, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you perhaps define the shading on his head a bit? Nice! 19:39, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined shading on face. Thanks Knight!Wanty (talk) 22:06, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the fur into the earpink some. 03:47, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Smudged the fur at the ear. I hope the picture's making progress... Wanty (talk) 19:28, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

It is! He is looking wonderful so far. c: Maybe blur the shading on this <--- front paw? If not, that's okay. 16:35, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the tail too, and define it on his (our) right paw. 22:03, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Raven! I blurred the shading (I can't blur it much though) and defined it on the (his) left paw. Wanty (talk) 18:07, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome c: Also, make the texture more visible on the tail. I have to lean in to see it. Not the highlights, the texture. xD 00:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading on our left front foot, and also on the tail? The shading on the head also appears flat, could you define it some more and perhaps add more depth to it? 00:44, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I made the shading more visible on the head, but I can't blur too much or else the other shades become virtually invisible. Is there a way I can fix this? Wanty (talk) 01:37, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

If you use GIMP, you lower your blur rate. If you use pixlr, I'm pretty sure it can do the same..[Sorry have not used it in a long time]. So, blur (our)left paw some more by lowering your rate. Hope that helped~The blur rate starts a 50, so just lower it from there. And you may even need to darken your shading.. 11:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks for the help Frosty. I redid the shading and darkened it to make it more even. Wanty (talk) 13:59, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the edges of the shading on the tail and the front paw that's closest to us, so it blends more. Also, define it on the other paw and chest. And it seems to be residing a bit on the haunch/side part, so can you add more shading to it to fill it up? (sorry if you don't get what I'm saying oi >.<)  00:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Did what was asked. Wanty (talk) 01:50, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is really, really thick and paintbrushy. Not trying to sound mean, but... <span style="">01:05 Fri Aug 16

Re-uploaded. I was just trying to see if a darker shading would work, Kelpsey. Anyways, just lightened the shading. Wanty (talk) 01:48, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Now that I look at this again, the shading's receded a ton. Paint that back in please? :3 this texture looks great! <span style="">06:55 Fri Aug 16

Sorry, don't understand. xD. Should I make it black again? Or should I just darken it a little? Wanty (talk) 12:57, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

it's leaking away from the lineart, is what she means, Want. It's a simple thing that can be fixed by adding another layer of thin shading around the areas that look...receeded. Doubt that's a real word but who cares? XD

Re-uploaded. Heard that it might get declined in a few hours... it's alright. Anyways, I added more shading nearer to the lineart and added highlights for a more defined texture. Wanty (talk) 19:34, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the edges of the tail and left (our) paw shading? 03:59, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred the edges of the left paw and tail shading. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 15:44, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the tail, paws, and head is rather flat. Could you perhaps define the unshaded part, such as the middle of the paw or any other of those places that stand out and have light hitting them, some more? Keep up the good work on this! 01:19, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Not sure if this is what you meant, Knight, but I tried ^^ <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 01:39, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some lineart missing on his back. Cute! 08:17, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Amber! I added the lineart on his back. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 13:19, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Comments anyone? <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 20:31, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading.

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading.

Sorry but it's been more than a month, and I can still see things that need fixed. This will need to be declined. <span style="">22:31 Thu Aug 22 2013

I'll take over. 22:43, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I can't get the image to look right, so withdrawing. 17:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

May I take over again, or do I have to wait for the two week limit to end? <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 19:41, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

No, I believe not, since Shoon reserved it and then unreserved it.

Okay, I'll take over again. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 19:46, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I really think you should wait because that seems like it's kind of defeating the purpose of the monthly limit. However, I'm an apprentice so I don't really make a difference X3 but just putting that out there.

Well, since someone else reserved it then unreserved it, I do believe that cancels out the two weeks, since it was someone else's image, but they chose not to work on it.

Comments? Also, can I change the heading, or does a SW have to? <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 16:05, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I got it. ouo Also, I believe the pupils have to be white, not an off-white.. I'm not entirely sure on this.

Wait, I'm not sure what you mean, because the pupils are black... <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 22:24, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I always considered the pupils to be the white speck in the eye. I guess maybe it's actually called something else? I'm a huge derp when it comes to this, sorry.

I think she means the eye white? Because they look off-white. I don't think she meant the black pupils. xD 23:33, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mean the (our) left eye? <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 01:52, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

There is a red dot on >>>> this ear.

Re-uploaded.

I can't find anything wrong with it. I adore the texture! 18:14, 9/3/13

Define the pale parts, and the texture needs to mach a tad more. Also, the texture seems to get lost in the shading. 23:06, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Where exactly, since my screen shows the belly texture defined. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 00:23, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blizzardwing (A) ~ For Approval
ew what have I created if changes aren't showing  <span style="">07:01 Thu Aug 8

What are you talking about? This is incredible, Berry! I wish I could do charart like this. Lighten the mottles a tad. 14:25, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The color seems to not be the same as in the warrior image, I don't know if that's the shading or not though. If it's just the shading then that's fine, just lighten it then 19:14, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

No offense Berry, but pay you please stop saying your images are bad >.<'. It sounds like you're fishing for compliments x.x/shot Smudge mottles more. There needs to be more too. Lessen the tint and smudge the shading more. <span style="">22:00 Thu Aug 8

Blur the shading on the face? It looks like a gray patch of fur right now. 00:42, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Think you could change the tint of the shading to the cyan it is on the warrior? It'll make the colors match a lot more. (I don't know if I'm repeating Ivy or not, sorry. ^^;) <span style="">6:17 Sat Aug 10 2013

I think that the mottles need to be more circular and kinda creamish color (sorry if this doesn't make any sense DX)

Still working? 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, still working. I've had a hectic week- a crap load of homework plus constant reading up of subject selection advice has led to me having no time on a computer at all. I'll uploaded Blizzardpaw and the queens tomorrow, as it'll be Friday and I'll actually not have anything mandatory to read by the next day. school sucks especially subject selection x.x <span style="">12:45 Thu Aug 15

Sorry, Berry, but I have to decline since it's been more than a week without uploads ;u; gah im sorry  04:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-posted o3o <span style="">11:30 Mon Aug 19

Sorry but it's been way too long. If you were allowed to do that anybody would be. This is declined; you can post again in a week or so. Sorry Berry. <span style="">12:54 Mon Aug 19 2013

No, actually, the limit only applies to images that are declined due to the one month limit. Berry is more than allowed to repost her image should she wish. ouo

I'm a little bit confused here. Images are often declined due to a lack of work, which is caused by not uploading within a week of the last upload. I understand life is first, and I get the whole butload of homework predicament. It happens to me too often. But a rule is a rule, and I don't understand why it wouldn't apply here as so many other images have been declined due to that in the past. If you could clarify that just a little bit more as to why, that'd be great. 02:02, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

The one month thing is how long the charart is able to stay up for, period. The one week limit is how long a user has to reupload their charart before it gets declined. I also agree with Knight and Breezy, so this will have to stay declined. 20:18, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, no, you're missing my point? Berry is allowed to repost her image. The two week "wait period" before she's allowed to repost would only apply if she got it declined due to the month limit. I wasn't giving her leeway or anything, but letting her use the same section as to not spam the approval page. She's more than welcome to reupload and repost, and it's not breaking any rule whatsoever. Breezey told her that she could repost in a week or so, and that's not technically correct, but I guess that could be explained by the lack of consistency in parts of the guidelines. I think you guys are totally missing why I changed the heading. o.O

-Sorry for butting into the convo- But would it be possible if I like, copied this image right now, and continued working on it for Berry? And kept fixing what needed to be fixed? -I'd fixed what you all asked right now, of course- But I have not practiced this pattern yet, and it would be great experience for me to look at Berry's AMAZING work. So is that possible? [I will reserve it once someone replies] 11:52, August 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * The issue I have is that Berry should not be allowed to post it again after it's been declined as it would undermine the entirety of declining due to lack of work. If users are allowed to "repost" their image after a seven day period, then keeping it reserved and "reposting" would also be allowed, which would conflict with the reservation time limit as well. Declining an image due to lack of work and having a hands-off period for said user would be a less conflicting course of action than to allow Berry to repost it. There are two points, and right now, we're focusing on the one that allows Berry to repost it, not the topic of application.


 * As for your comment, Darkfrost, you must start it from scratch otherwise it would be image theft and editing. The only situation that barely passes as exception to that rule is tweaking and redoing because it has consent of the project's community consensus. You're welcome to redo the entire image though if this is declined. 21:13, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Understood, 'teldy. I'll reserve it now. I'll have it up either tonight or tomorrow. c: 22:44, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded. Oh. My. Goodness. I was lucky to have this look so good -_- apparently mottles are tough for me. I tried to match the warrior as best as I could, and to my surprise they sorta do. If anyone like Raelic for examp. is really good at mottles, please leave a message on my talk page to tell me how to do them well. It would be very appreciated. But yeah, tried to match the warrior as best as I could. Comments? 01:35, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth, define the tail shading, and make the earpink match the warrior. 03:03, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the dark gray mottles small and add more of them to match the warrior? ^^  03:14, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm..Misty may be talking about the shading, since its practically the color of the mottles, making them blend. Eh, do what she said. 12:21, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

No, she's not. She means the mottles. Where did she mention shading? 12:29, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Sorrel, no need to get snippy with her. She's having a hard life right now. And anyway, yes Raven I saw your point, and I changed the tint slightly so it doesn't blend as much. Added more dark gray mottles and tried to make them smaller, but I didn't want to mess up the pattern. Defined the eye depth, tail shading, and I matched the ear pink with the warrior's. Matched them side by side and they look like they match, but then again, I'm not that much of an expert x3 13:16, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't being snippy. I was just saying, Misty said nothing about shading. 14:35, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Make the mottles match more. This is great~ ^^ 19:17, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink on this ---> side looks a little small  19:22, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Hawky:)Hope this was what you guys were looking for. o3o And yes, Sorrel, I understand. She was trying to say that the shading blended in with the dark gray mottles, making them look large, like Misty was talking about. Sorry if she caused confusion. c: 22:24, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant..Sorry Sorrel. 22:55, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define/darken the shading, especially on the midsection of the cat? I like this. :) 21:58, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Knight! :D And I won't be able to upload until Friday, since I'm going tent camping to Michigan today[Ravenfrost is coming with, view the vacation list if there is any confusion] and I'll have no internet. So, I'll try to upload either Friday, or Thursday[late in day] but that might not happen. Seeya~ ^_^ 12:14, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

The shading doesn't seem to have the same tint than the warrior. Can you fix that? ^^  06:40, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Tint looks fine, but maybe saturate a bit then lessen the opacity? The mottles are getting lost. This looks amazing, especially considering this is so much harder when you try to do it. <span style="">21:01 Tue Aug 27

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Kelpsey. c: You're right, it was quite a challenge, and whoever did the warrior image of Blizzardwing, I hold her(or him) in great respect. ^_^ Had a fun Vacation btw, and I need some much needed sleep.. 20:50, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Define exactly where the shading is. The tint, darkness, and overall position is fine, I'd say, but it appears to be somewhat flat, and I have to squint to see it. I also think the mottles could match a tad more, but I'm not sure how to explain matching them, as I didn't make the warrior image, and I'm not all that good with mottles. Perhaps someone else could come along and provide a better explanation than I can?

Re-uploaded. I defined where the shading was. And trust me, I'm not that good with mottles at all. But with some patience, and time, I got close..Yet, paring the two side by side, it turns out they match up pretty well: Clik Meh 22:22, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... in general, yes, they do, it would seem. Although these seem like they don't quite go with the flow of the fur, although that could be my eyes. Maybe get another opinion on that first, as my eyes have never been good with that sort of thing.

Understood. 12:52, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Also, I found out A Beautiful Oblivion [Oblivion] did the warrior image, so I'll try to get in contact with her. c: 12:58, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

^ I decided that I didn't know her schedule, or when she's on, and I've never met her. So until she comes on chat, when I'm on, I won't bother her. So, it has been a full 4 days since an upload, so may I drag some comments or perhaps a CBA? c: 12:12, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Oblivion isn't usually on; however, she's active on tumblr, I believe. 12:33, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading and light source; I can't see one. 14:33, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I made it like Cloudy's Tawnypelt apprentice alt. Better? c: And yeah, I'll check it out, thanks Sorrel. :D 13:45, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should define the shading just a bit more and then blur it. Otherwise, looking good! 18:16, 9/3/13

Hawkheart (MC Alt 3) ~ For Approval
He was described as mottled grey-brown in TR ouo. Comments? <span style="">20:26, 08/16/2013

Define the shading on the haunch and paws. Sexy~ 20:42, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nice! Maybe lighten the shading? Or at least smooth it out? 02:28, August 19, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Shading darkness is artist's choice. 17:20, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="">23:25, 08/20/2013

Define the forehead shading. 23:27, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's no shading on the forehead. o3o <span style="">23:29, 08/20/2013

Define the ear pink a bit? It looks gray. He is sexy. xD 11:57, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too sure, but since his description has been changed, shouldn't this be declined, because it would now count as a partial? If not, I think the earpink is fine, it's a lighter shade of the base coat. <span style="">14:54, 08/23/2013

The ear-pink looks a bit too uniform, give it a smudge and the pelt looks a bit greenish to me 17:51, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the legs a tad more. 14:07, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think you might be right on that, Ferk. Guys, what do the rest of you think? Looks like a partial to me.

Not sure. In page 7 of TR it says he is a gray-brown tom, which would be what were dealing with. It might be, but I'll go through TR again and see. :/ 13:23, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make that ears a tad more pink? <span style="">19:20 Tue Aug 27

Mottled gray-brown alone, though, I think would suffice. Gray-brown is a specific shade... I think?? I'm not entirely sure. Also, Ferk, you'll need to reupload soon, remember that. ^^;;

It never said he was mottled in page 7, but yeah I think it would be a specific shade. Kinda like this: #6b6767 ~ Or, working off this, it would be a darker gray-brown. *Shrugs* I need some sleep, you can't get any in a tent..you're practically on the ground. 20:38, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, Ferk. There hasn't been any uploads in well over a week, and according to the guidelines, I have to decline this. x.x

Is it okay if I take over? 19:29, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. c: Go ahead and reserve it, Hawkeh. Unless someone else says otherwise.. 21:14, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My first medicine cat. And I know I suck at mottles please don't rub it in. Is it gray-brown enough? Changes might not be showing. 18:25, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

This is amazing! Trust me, nobody is good at mottles. Maybe define the shading on the neck a bit? 20:48, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you! 00:00, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

I love this! I'm doing a mottle above you: Blizzardpaw, and it's so hard. I know how you're feeling. xD Define the shading inbetween the legs, I see its lightly shaded, but since there would be no light, perhaps make it darker? o3o 12:15, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much! Changes might not be showing. 15:26, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see anything wrong with this! 18:18, 9/3/13

Blur the earpink, and then I'll CBA it. 11:09, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt W 3) - For Approval
Vicky stated that Tawnypelt should still be a tawny/pale ginger-ish color, so this warrants an alt. I tried combining the two colors. I know it says she has been called tawny in the books as a warrior, but I don't think that tawny and pale ginger are the same things, either, unless she meant that she is ginger with tawny-ish stripes, which makes the most sense. However, if they are the same thing then go ahead and decline this then. 19:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I love this tabby style. Expand the highlight on the shoulder. 19:55, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

This is awesome!! Maybe expand the highlight on the hind leg as well? <span style="">21:12 Wed Aug 28

Maybe lighten the shading and thin it out some? This is great! 19:04, August 29, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Wouldn't this have to match the alt kit, as it's pale ginger as well? o3o 19:12, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

I thought alts didn't have to match each other? Isn't matching artist's choice? I could be wrong... 12:27, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Beebs. The kit and the apprentice are the same, so should be the warrior. So maybe this should be a solid instead of a tabby, to match with the other alts. 19:25, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Agree with beebs and raven. Sorry. And if these stripes are here to stay, smudge them to make them look realistic. And there's a wide spanse of area- upper back/neck/throat- that look quite flat. <span style="">23:46 Fri Aug 30

Matching alts is not necessary, I believe. And I think the stripes are good, but maybe blur them a bit?

Sunstar's alts don't match so I will not make this match either, since it is not required. If it was I'd happily make them match. And this is ginger, so she has to have stripes. I will fix the shading and blur the stripes here in a little bit, I just wanted to point that out real quick. 01:51, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

And I was looking over Tawnypelt's alts earlier, and I realized there is already a pale ginger alt for her. Sorry. o3o 19:01, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

No, there's only pale bracken-colored and tawny. 19:14, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. *shrugs* It might be my computer xD 23:30, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Also, I have to work all of this week, so I'll be back over the weekend (hopefully) so that I can improve upon your suggestions. So, if it becomes Friday, please don't ask me if I'm still working on this, I most certainly am :)  16:38, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the shoulder some more, it makes the neck shading look flat. 16:41, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Like that? I honestly don't shade like that so I'm kinda unsure  16:51, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Just a tad more up the throat... this is turning out nicely! 17:29, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah..But even if she didn't want to, it doesn't look flat anymore. Give the earpink a little smudge, it looks a bit too uniform. This is looking nice! c: 12:19, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ear pink looks fine, imho.

Define the unshaded part on her front leg? (the one closest to us) Love this, Ivy~  03:13, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Define all the shading? I can't really see the depth well. 11:08, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Whiteberry(W) - For Approval
22:07, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Define light on the hind leg closest to us? Very nice! <33 22:17, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome charart!! Idk if this is part of the shading, but the muzzle seems the teeniest bit of gray. <span style="">23:33 Wed Aug 28

Blur the shading and perhaps lighten it just a tad? Don't have to if you don't want to, though.

Re-uploaded The muzzle is fine, it's going to look a little bit gray because my shading is there but you can clearly tell that the image is white. 21:18, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Try to make the shading go inbetween the legs more. This ---> leg lineart is out there in the white, when it would have no light at all. Sorry if I make no sense at all -_- 23:30, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really get what you're telling me to do. My lightsource, if that's what you mean, is fine, I use this lightsource on most of my images. 00:05, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think she's talking about in between the legs. Like, near the haunch lineart, it seems to be creeping away and I think it should go all the way to the lineart? I'm not 100% sure.

^ Yes, what Cloudy said is what I was trying to say. Sorry, I know I didn't make any sense in my last comment. x3 12:37, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Could you lighten the shading a tad? I know shading darkness is artists choice, but honestly it seems too dark. 11:07, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt Ki 3) ~ For Approval
This is for the tawny alt, not pale ginger, and the color might be a bit off due to the way I shaded 21:33, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I can agree with the shading. Maybe tint it to a dark orange/brown? But anywho, this is great! 21:36, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up 21:40, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Adorable<3 Lighten up the shading a tad.

I think it's fine, since shading darkness is artist's choice 02:08, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Cute, Beebs! c: Define the earpink on this > ear? It looks like a dark blot due to the shading. Looking good:)  22:41, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

It's due to the shading, so I think it's fine, as a few other of my chararts have a similar style o3o 22:44, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Okay o3o  18:59, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Raven on this one. While it may be on your other images, this ear pink color is hard enough to work with as it is, and I honestly can't tell it's there. On your other images, I can, while on this, it's damn near impossible to see.

Re-up 19:25, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink and blur the shading on the tail 02:51, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Tawnypelt (Alt A 2) ~ Under Evaluation
This is my first charart, I'm quite proud. I can see that's it's more like a yellow, so, I'll fix that when I can. Comments? <span style="">22:13 Fri Aug 30

Add stripes, and she needs to be shorthaired. 22:15, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Which alt is this for? Because I have the tawny alt already reserved. Is this supposed to be the pale ginger? Also, I changed the heading, as you've never had an image for PCA before.

Add shading, make the pelt more orangey than yellow. And some of the yellow is on the lineart, which I think is blurred. 22:28, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

There is waste all around the image. And where is your source for this alt? Please provide the page number and/or the book you discovered the mistaken color. And like Sorrel said, there is yellow paint on the lineart. Also, when you fix the colors and such, define the shading and blur it a bunch. You can do it, Creameh! I believe in you! c: 22:38, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and make the background transparent. 22:46, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Raven, this alt is for the pale ginger one, which was confirmed to have been Tawnypelt's actual description by Vicky 22:47, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is the image smaller than the normal blank? 22:51, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded changes aren't showing, and the tabby colors won't work. <span style="">23:21 Fri Aug 30

Reuploaded changes now showing, and, Hawkmask, I fixed it. Now it's the same as the regular blank. Comments? <span style="">23:29 Fri Aug 30

Yes, I now know that, Beebs. It's just that she wasn't really specific when she posted this, and I believe everyone in the project should be specific where they got their reasons to create an alt. Just sayin'. And if it's her actual descriptive image, then why isn't the pale ginger one her main, and the other an alt? 23:36, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Because the Erin's later changed her description to her current one. That's why she this is an alt instead of her real image. And, sorry about not being specific, Raven. :) <span style="">23:39 Fri Aug 30  23:39, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

Chill, Raven, please. There's a cite on her article, and that's all that's needed. She doesn't need to specify unless she really wants to. There's currently a discussion in PC about what needs to be done about Tawnypelt, which can be found here, and if you're so concerned about it, perhaps you should contribute to the discussion.

The lineart is blurred in places and there's still yellow on the lineart. And please add some shading? 23:46, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't getting angry, Cloudy. And it's okay, Cream. c: And anyway, I didn't know about any of that, so thanks for updating me. I'm a little busy right now, and I don't have that much time to find out about this stuff in one sitting. x3 Sorry for the trouble! 00:01, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hiyaa I found the problem c: Click |this link and then right click the image that pops up in the next page, then save. That should get you the full-size image and then all the lineart critique wont happen. What program do you use? By the way, stipes aren't realistic, and color isn't too realistic either. Nice going so far :) <span style="">00:08 Sat Aug 31

Thanks, Kelpsey. Well, I'm going to download Gimp soon, so I'm currently using an app called 'Pics Art'. It's good, but it doesn't do certain things, such as blurring and shading. <span style="">00:20 Sat Aug 31

Reuploaded I know the shading is bad, I'll fix that. <span style="">12:39 Sat Aug 31

Kelpsey, I made her a -quick example- of what this cat should probably look like. Just click down to the section where it talks about the alt. I don't think it looks that bad, but I think it is a good example of what should be coming out, right? 12:45, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Cream, be on chat now and we'll do a join.me. I've got it now, and I'll show you how to do shading, stripes and the delightful results of layers on pixlr. X3 13:13, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

The ear pink is too neon.

The lineart is still blurred with yellow over it. And the blank isn't the same size as the other apprentice images. 11:24, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

There are dashes of white everywhere, can you fill it in with colour? 16:55, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

The stripe pattern is lost in the shading and the ear-pink is spilling out the lineart 03:22, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reedfeather (W) ~ Declined
He was called an 'old warrior' in Tallstar's Revenge. I cited it on his page. Comments? 18:48, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth 18:48, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail.

Reups  18:53, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Umm, just wondering, but they call all clan cats warriors. Wasn't there something like this with Flailfoot? He got declined coz we were unsure which rank he was when speaking. oh god I'm such an idiot at explanations and asking things.

What? Reedfeather was called a warrior. Flailfoot was something like tunneler, not called a warrior. 19:46, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

I know, but deputies are warriors, if you get what I mean.

But queens are too, but some only get warrior images if they're called a warrior. 20:30, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define the shading on the furthest foreleg 23:38, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Reups changes arne't shwoing yet 00:23, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the top of the head. I like this. :)  12:04, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reups :3 12:34, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Is this needed? He was called an old warrior while he was /deputy/ at the time - that's still no proof he was a warrior. Deputies are called warriors all the time, but they're called that while they're deputies. Not sure if I'm making any sense. 18:31, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

It's the same thing as a character being called a StarClan warrior, imho. Mallowfur is a perfect example. She's called a StarClan warrior, but we don't know what rank she held while she was alive, since StarClan has no ranking post-death. Pretty much all cats are called warriors of their Clan at one point or another.

I suppose that's true. Is this declined, then? I understand if it is. 18:43, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't we assume, though? I mean, lets be real. A kit can't become a deputy, sure as heck not a kittypet, nor an apprentice. And an elder couldn't [Nightstar was an exception] But even he was a warrior for some time. A medicine cat would have had to have some sort of warrior training, and lets face it, Hawkheart was a garunteed med.cat while Reedfeather was a warrior, since he was older. A rogue can't, a loner can't. Everything points to him having been a warrior at some point or another. Or else, that'd be just plain silly. But hey, I'm not a lead, so I don't decide if this stays or not, I'm just throwing this out there. :3  23:49, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

We don't assume on this wiki. If we assume, then every other character would get images we have no citations for, thus bringing down the credibility of the wiki by a lot. It doesn't matter how obvious it is, imho. No cite, no rank, no image. The choice of whether or not it counts as a proper citation falls to PC, not PCA. Our goal is to create art, not dispute the rankings.

Unless PC decides Reedfeather was a warrior, this will be declined. <span style="">1:24 Wed Sep 4 2013