Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Bluestar Alt?
She has a leader alt for being shown as completely blue for official art. I think she gets a star alt, because she is described as in StarClan in the ultimate guide, but I thought I better check. Oh, and I'll have this.-- 21:38, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

I think so, but no need to talk as if we'll snatch the StarClan image in three seconds. ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 00:45, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Tbh she's already blue, so I find that this will be rather unnecessary. 1:50 Tue Feb 10

Yeah I apologize if I sounded rude there. -- 02:01, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

nervously *nudge* the discussion. -- 22:03, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

If she's described as in StarClan, then she should probably get a blue alt. I don't know what others might say about this, though. you didn't sound rude to me 22:16 Thu Feb 12

Can I make the alt? -- 06:17, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure you can ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 07:29, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

She already has a blue alt though? :o  05:34, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's the leader version though. 05:35, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

I think that was made before we created the StarClan blanks, actually.

What rank do we base Art alts on? It's a little confusing. do we give them ranks based on what rank they were in when the picture was shown or...? 05:04, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

I believe it's based on what rank the cat is when they are misdescribed. For instance, Tawnypelt would get a kit alt (her rank then) if she was misdescribed in Rising Storm instead of a warrior alt (her rank now). 12:42 Fri Mar 6

She means the cats on the cover. Tbh Im also confused about that. 12:44, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Again, it would be the rank that they are in that book. 12:51 Fri Mar 6

It's still confusing. I mean, Bluestar was a queen, Kit, apprentice etc in Bluestar's prophecy and she only got her leader. I think we need a clear baseline on what rank do we base Art alts on. 13:07, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

We do have a clear baseline. If Bluestar is called blue as a leader, then she gets it with a leader blank. If she's in StarClan, then it's a StarClan blank. It all depends on what her current ranking is at the time.

but we don't know what rank she was as shown in the picture...? Idk I might be wrong. 13:20, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Then she doesn't get the alt. If we don't know what rank she was, then she shouldn't get it- to give her a rank would be an assumption, simple as that. Unless it's the obvious ones like Jayfeather, Mothwing, Rock, ect.

"she gets a star alt, because she is described as in StarClan in the ultimate guide" She was described as in StarClan in TUG, which is the picture that her leader alt comes from. So, she would get a StarClan alt. i posted the image before i saw this sorry about that, feel free to decline it 00:02 Sat Mar 7

However, that would mean she gets an apprentice, warrior queen etc since she was mentioned as one in BP 05:58, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that too Burntclaw, it's the same with The Ultimate Guide too. 02:22, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Can we have a comment on this? 00:10, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

I think she should get a pure blue alt for kit, apprentice, warrior, queen and deputy too. sheesh, that's a lot. O.o 01:40, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Also, if like to point out that the same picture shows on every single chapter, soo... 01:56, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that's her adult image - she could've been a warrior, deputy, leader, etc. As to when that image is supposed to be. 23:46, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

I think we need to look at the name it labels the picture. Cats of the Clans and Ultimate Guide say Bluestar, so she is either leader or StarClan (I think both). Maybe it's the same with Bluestar's Prophecy, it is called Bluestar's prophecy. 23:55, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Still, if she gets a leader and star rank, she should get an apprentice etc since she was mentioned as one. 08:09, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yea. It says in various books that she is solid black, solid blue, and white and blue. ~Spotteh *is confused*

Um, i dont recall ever seeing her being mentioned as pure black or blue and white. If you can provide cites, then sure. Otherwise im pretty sure only the blue alts warrant. 20:32, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Cream Cats
This is a 'might', I'm not 100% on this, so I think we need to research this more.

On paragraph three, line three and at 2: Solids and Smokes paragraph 4 and finally, Line 10-11, all state that cream cats are always tabbies, even with faded markings, just like ginger/red cats.

So cats like Daisy, Berrynose, Rosepetal and maybe Molewhisker could be tabbies? I was just looking around on cat genes and thought I should bring this up.-- 06:17, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

I think we already decided that we're not going to add tabby stripes to cream cats a long while ago. Technically, I think it was said that all cats have some form of striping, save for....pure white and pure black cats, or something along those lines. While it's very possible unless they're called tabbies, I don't think it's necessary.

Not all cats have striping? Many do, but there is a gene that masks the stripes to create a solid color. However, all cats with the red gene are tabbies because the solid gene doesn't work without the black gene. Cream cats are the dilute form of ginger. They are all tabbies no matter what. 3:34 Mon Feb 23 2015

I think it only counts for pure cream cats. Not like brown/gray and cream cats like Ferretclaw or siamese cats like Rose. From memory, I don't think we have that many characters that are pure cream. —Preceding unsigned comment added by

It wouldn't. Ferretclaw is technically a diluted tortoiseshell, and Siamese cats are partly albino. It wouldn't only apply to cats described as just "cream." 4:23 Mon Feb 23 2015

 00:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

not all tortoiseshells have stripes on their ginger patches here and gingers are all tabbies so by that logic we'd have to tweak/redo all tortoiseshells so they could have visible stripes

in all seriousness though, yeah gotta agree with Skye, i think it was decided a long time ago we'd not add stripes to creams 00:39, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I think creamis basically pale orange so... 00:23, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

I'm torn on this. While I agree that the cream cats should in theory have stripes, I also feel that it would just cause unnecessary tweaking. Also, with what Beebs said, if we tweak the cream cats we should tweak the ginger tortoiseshells as well. If we do that, though, does that mean that all ginger tortoiseshells are torbies by default, and should be from now on? 12:46 Fri Mar 6

if you look here the ginger torties have very faint tabby around the face, so... 21:38, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

We have never made torbies mandatory and I don't think we should start now. That is way too many unnecessary tweaks. If you want to make yours in the future a torbie, then fine, but I really don't think we need to get so into realism like that. Honestly, I don't think we even need to tweak anything at all. This reminds me of the flecked cats have stripes thing which we don't enforce, but it's allowed. Optional is cool and all, but this seems like a really crappy way to get more tweaks on perfectly fine images. =/

Yeah, I honestly just think tweaking the fully cream cats is it. I also think the tortoiseshell's are fine. 21:53, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Like whats been said above, i think the torties are fine, but we should tweak the fully cream-colored cats. They /are/ a form of ginger, afterall. 18:38, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Breeze. It also seems kind of hypocritical (not trying to be offensive; I just can't think of a better word) since we gave ginger cats stripes, and cream is the diluted form of ginger. 20:38, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

There aren't many full-cream cats IIRC so that seems manageable. I dont think ones that are only partially cream should be tweaked, though. 20:44 Thu Mar 19


 * nudges discussion* Can we get some more opinions on this? 09:14, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

For Approval Page
I just think that when a picture is put up for approval, we need to be more aware of the character's description, to avoid needing a tweak/redo in the future. Either we click the link to see the description or like the tweak page where we list something, we could list the character's description (the parts that will affect the charart, because there are characters with very long descriptions). I think it will help avoid future tweaking, cause there is a lot happening as it is. 22:07, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

maybe people should stop being so lazy? its not that hard to click the link in the characters name (almost everyone links to the character in their names so) and read a description quickly ._. 06:40, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, people just need to stop being picky and nominating cats just to have something to work on. Most people /do/ look at their profiles, especially when they're trying to match another image. Its really unneeded when all you need to do is click a link or search it up. 20:37, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Silverstream's/Leafstar's alt
I'm sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but why are the blue alts and white and brown alts for Silverstream and Leafstar removed? I was just wondering.m 01:22, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

I think the brown and white Leafstar was dismissed because the white could be cream, a specific shade. I can't remember if that was it... About Silverstream, wasn't it because we didn't know the rank she was in that picture? She could've been any rank - queen, warrior, StarClan, etc. 15:49, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Leafstar's was removed because it looks brown and cream, which is her actual description.

I thought the project already had a discussion to re-add Silverstream and Millie's old alts? 19:07, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Though this is only coming from a (sleepy) kit, I'm not sure about Silverstream's alt being re-added, but for Millie's, I the alts might be re-added since there are manga alts.

It was agreed that they would be re added already. I think we should add them back. 04:00, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join the project? I'll be very active, especially on weekends. 19:52, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to the PCA. 20:18, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Icebreeze ~ Join Request
I'd like to join PCA and contribute some art to the wiki (if you will have me, of course) 21:19, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to the PCA! 21:49, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Stepping Down
After careful thought, I've decided to give up my position as Senior Warrior. I'm not as active as I should be, and I probably won't become more active. There are enough senior warriors that will make up for my leave, but I just can't hold this position anymore.

Thank you for giving this position to me, but now's the time that I need to let go of it. 22:44 Wed Mar 25

Aww, thanks for your dedication to the project as a senior warrior. :) 22:52, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

We thank you for your dedication to PCA, Hawky. May StarClan light your path :) 01:38, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Aww D: damn. You deserved it, though! It's such a shame for you to let your place go, but I know you'll still be a brilliant warrior. Thank you for everything you've done in the PCA, Hawky. 08:31, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sad to see you step down, Hawk. Thank you for all of the dedication you've given the project so far, and i hope to see you regain your position in the future. You really did deserve it. =) 02:24, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Join
Can I join PCA? Poppyheart212 (talk) 23:23, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add ya in. Welcome to the PCA. 23:25, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Join
I want to join the PCA. I'm really expieranced with Charart!! Lilacfoot (talk) 19:52, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sure I'll add you in. Read the Guidelines and consult the Apprentice tutorials if you need them. 00:24, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

join
Hello everyone! I've been thinking about joining so can I join the PCA? Not to boast,but I'm pretty good at making chararts...

Darkfire~Aidan (talk) 13:43, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to the PCA! 00:33, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Silverstream Apprentice and Alt
I was looking through Fire and Ice yesterday, and at one point, on page 163, Fireheart says to Silverstream, "You're hardly more than an apprentice." I was wondering if that would qualify for her getting an apprentice image. Also, she is said to have silver stripes instead of black on page 128. She got an alt for being called silver-striped as a StarClanner, so wouldn't she get an alt for it as a warrior, for this instance? 16:00, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I doubt it. Its not specifically saying she is/was an apprentice, more like he was trying to say that she looked like one. 20:51, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I think the stripe one counts, since we have done alts for a change of stripes. I doubt the apprentice would count, though, he was just comparing her with one, and he didn't actuslly say she was one. 02:31, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Fur Lengths?
This might (it does) sound dumb, but I noticed all WinClanners are short furred (because they need to run fast and be able to fit into tunnels?) except for Thistlepaw because she was mentioned to be long furred. So I'm wondering do RiverClanners need to all be long furred? They have a characteristic of having thick pelts. 01:31, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. All WindClan cats are short-furred by default, and all RiverClan cats are long-furred by default. On that same note, thick fur does not mean long fur.

Oh right I've seen a thick furred short furred just recently oops. But thanks for letting me make sure anyways :) 01:56, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Re-join
This time I'll stay active I swear. May I? -Feather 20:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Of course! Welcome back, Feather! I'm sure you already know the guidelines. 04:46, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Lilyheart
My Lilyheart image got declined. How long do I have to wait before I post her again? 04:44, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

A week, I persume. 04:46, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

It got declined because you didn't wait until it was archived. tbh, I've made people wait sometimes up to three days- and in that time, someone else technically has a right to take it should they wish.

Join
Can I join the project? 18:57, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'll add you in, I promoted you to apprentice rank. ;) 23:25, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Join
Can I join your project, please? ✿Bird ride23✿  Colorful world is around me  19:15, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing, ill add you in. Be sure to review the guidelines before reserving and posting an image. Welcome to PCA! 20:31, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Grey and Silver+orange and pale/dark ginger
K I hope I don't sound random but isn't grey just a partial of silver? Simultaneously isn't Orange just a partial of dark/pale ginger? I dunno I just saw some cats had alts like this and decided to bring this up 03:56, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Gray and silver are different. Silver tabbies can only have black stripes, and gray is just like a brown tabby- the stripes can be a darker version of the base. Silver-gray is a specific shade, however. But if they're just called a silver tabby, then it's different from a gray tabby. idk about orange and dark/pale ginger, though. I always thought ginger was more red, and orange was..well, orange.

Just to say, I just looked up ginger, it says "a reddish yellow or orange brown color" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 04:07, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

grey and silver are definitely different, but even if you google orange cat, you get so many different varieties of ginger cats. always seemed redundant to me to have alts for it. 04:10, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Leader blanks for non-clan leaders
I've been reading through the archives, and I've noticed this topic has been brought up many times, but has kept being ignored. So I'd like to bring this up again.

Basically, I think Furled Bracken, Stone Song and Jingo should get leader blanks, as they were specifically called leaders, especially Furled Bracken and Stone Song. I know the leader blanks are only for clan cats, but we can easily allow them to be used on non clan leaders.

Thoughts? 09:19, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

No. While it seems plausible to give them leader blanks since they /were/ technically leaders, they never recieved nine lives or a leader name from starclan. It could also confuse anons and guests to the wiki browsing through the pages to see a rogue/loner with a clan leader image. Its unnecessary since theres only a handful of cats who'd need it, and even if they are the leader figure to some cats, they're /still/ rogues and loners. Its 5am, so forgive me if im not making any sense.. x.x 09:11, April 7, 2015 (UTC)