Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Demotion Discussion
Look here to discuss the new idea of demotion. 23:31 Sat Dec 3

Description vs Alternate
I have started a discussion about what warranets an alt and what warrants a tweak. You can check it out here 00:45, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Something...
I think we should discuss about this. Too man users join this project and never do anything. It doesn't matter if they can't find a charart to do, they could still comment. Half the apprentices here never did anything. Any ideas to decrease the amount of apps joining and doing nothing? I believe this should be discussed. 04:18, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

A really random suggestion, so feel free to disagree, but we could make a pre-test, and all users willing to join have to past the test. It wouldn't be hard or anything, like one could be a charart, not so good one, and the users wanting to join will have to comment on something good about, and something bad. 05:03, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, no, and no. We cannot and will not exclude anybody from joining this project. I mean, yeah, I don't like it when apprentices join then when they don't get the cat they want, they throw a hissy fit and leave, or the ones who post a picture but leave because it's too hard. We've seen how things like this can be detrimental to the project, just look at the kit rank. We have to deal with users like that, but through all the non-quality users, you get gems like Thistleberry and Breezewhisker. We should just leave things the way they are, and if we have to deal with apprentices who don't follow the rules or have a bad attitude, so be it. They'll just have their name removed for inactivity. I'm not trying to shoot you down, I'm just letting you know why it wouldn't work. 05:15, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Ivystripe. This probally won't work, but it is annoying how many users join and don't stay active. A pre-test for the project might work, but I doubt it. 08:32, Tue, Dec, 6, 2011

No, as seen with the kit rank, no "pretest" or exclusion is going fix this problem. We have this problem in every project. We've seen a solution to this problem, and all that "solution" did was cause more problems. 13:44, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't it just easier to remove them every few weeks for inactivity anyway? Having a pre-test would just casue more problems than needed. We don't need another kit rank mess. >:V -- Elorisa   14:01, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Not all apprentices do nothing. Also if they are it is probably because they can't find something to do or don't know what to do. Sorry but PCA doesn't have many images to do..that's why many have gone inactive. 16:10, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Well, being an apprentice sorta is a pre-test, isn't it? I agree that probably the best way to handle it is to just remove them if they become inactive, like you do now. ~Breezewhisker~ 21:52, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the kit system would work or having a mentor for about a week to show you around and teach you the basic things to say when commenting chararts 22:57, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

But we can't not let them reserve and do chararts. That's the whole point. Kit has already said preventing people from participating is counter-productive. 00:58, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think that we get all these users joining but do nothing because they think that joining PCA will make them cool or amazing or something. This is just my opinion, so don't start with personal reasons for joining. As to what to do, though it might take some more work, leads could keep track of apprentices/users who join but do nothing. I know we can't stop people from joining, but, honestly, if they're not going to actually do anything to help PCA, why bother letting them join? If, say user a asks to join pca, gets accepted, does nothing and gets removed and the sequence repeats about 3 times, I think it's really not worth the time to re-add them to the project. It's just useless effort and work that we have to do in good faith that they'll actually help the project. Yes, I'm frustrated so my tone might feel a bit coarse, but I hate this problem, I always have and always will. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:06, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Mentor Templates?
Hey, I was wondering, would it be possible to make some PCA Mentor program templates? Like "This user was mentored in the PCA by Usernamehere" or "This user mentored Usernamehere in the PCA". Like the ones that you used to have for AaU. I just thought it'd be nice. Not really anything that important. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  21:04, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, thats a good idea! :D 21:17, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

Love this idea! 22:09 Thu Dec 8

That;s a cool idea! 23:42, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I've been wanting these :) 00:00, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Heres the coding  04:44, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Is that the same one we can use for all the userboxes? (this user is being mentored by, this user mentored, this user is mentoring. 22:19, Fri, Dec, 9, 2011

Ya just change the words from "Mentored by" to whatever like "Mentored". 23:28, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Public discussion on PCA
I've recently opened up a blog discussing PCA to the public. I'd like it if members of PCA could come and give their two cents. It's here. Thank you. 21:48, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Contest Part Two Voting Now Open!
Go here to cast your vote! Please read the voting rules first, though. :3 00:02, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Excuse the interruption
Excuse me but I'm not on the current projects list and would like to do Owlwhisker's charart. But if eveyone is to busy then I will wait. =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 02:32, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think I'm allowed to put you on that. 04:22, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Wildfire! I appreciate that. =) Acornflight   Med. Cat of LunarClan! 04:26, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Done :) And your welcome. 04:27, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Quick Access to Blanks
Just in case there are users who don't know where they are, and since Iceheart cannot upload them over the normal apprentice images yet, I went through and gathered the links for the images.
 * Long fur female MCA
 * Long fur male MCA
 * Short fur female MCA
 * Short fur male MCA
 * Long female
 * Long male
 * Short female
 * Short male

That way no one has to dig through the archives. xD 02:57, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Is anyone allowed to do an apprentice image, or does the OA have to? Sorry, I'm just confused now. 14:12, December 10, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

You listed the female short-haired MCA blank twice, I fixed that. xD 01:08, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Macgyver
Does Macgyver get a collar in his chararts? Because he's been seen with one (The Resue manga) and without one. (SkyClan's Destiny Manga) 01:51 Sun Dec 11

Discussion to Implement a Screening Process
A project forum has been opened here. Please feel free to join in the discussion. 02:27, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

CBA Change
Alright, PCA leads

Iceheart and I have decided that in order to speed up the process of doing all of the apprentice chararts again, we're shortening the time for CBAs from 24 hours to 12. Also, if a charart has been put on a CBA but it was interrupted, once the changes are made, a lead may, if they see it's ready, approve it on the spot. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:56, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was creeping on your guys's talk pages, and I'm glad you guys decided on that. Good call. 02:57, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

How funny, I was creeping too :D Excellent idea guys. 03:01, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like I'm in good company ;D 03:02, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry y'all ..three's a company c: 03:07, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Haha. We're all creepers here! xP I see no reason why not to start it now. All chararts CBA'd are most likely ready to be approved. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:13, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

We all creep. No I did not creep I agree, this is a good idea. 12:13 Sun Dec 11

Oh and I know we all just agreed that a lead should wait two days to CBA their own image, but maybe for the apprentices it could just be one? 19:31, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense. But, still, in order to make things go faster, we could shorten it to 18 hours or something. We've still got a lot to do. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:31, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

So erm, do we wait 12 hours, or do we wait 24 still? 01:35 Tue Dec 13

For a CBA, it's 12 hours - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:36, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Manga cats
So I was lurking the wiki and came across Shnuky, who I realized only appeared in the manga, yet she had a COLOR description. She never appeared on the cover, and her color is never said on the page that is referenced on her page. I've seen this on a few manga-only cats, though I can't remember the exact names at the time. Is there a reason for this? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:27, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I looked over the edit history, and its was an anon who added the brown part and one of those users who add random things to the description was the one who added the green eyes. It was supposed to be "Gray she-cat with light-colored eyes" or something like that - 06:42, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

But why was it allowed that a charart could be made in color for her? Was there a reason, or did nobody notice she was a manga only cat? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:26, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Should we put her on the re-do list, to make her gray with plae colored eyes? She needs to be tweaked anyway, her highlights are blothcy, and her shading needs to be blurred. I'll add her real quick. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 22:29, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I personally don't think she needs to be redone. The shading can be tweaked and she can just be desaturated quite easily without being completely redone, but feel free to disagree. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:34, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have the manga books? Cause I found a few others who have color chararts that are only in the manga, but the reference isn't in the browse inside, and I don't have the books to check. The characters are Diesel, Willie, Pounce, and Brick. If any of you have the manga, could you check please? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  07:45, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Diesel, Willie and Pounce are all shown as grayscale cats. I can't check Brick though, since I do not own The Rise of Scourge. 00:37, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Cloudy. ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:53, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-join Request ~ Spottedleaf123
I wanted to join and I was told this is where I am supposed to put the join request. I promise I will be more active this time!

What is this I don't even know...
HAY GUYS.

Sorry I'm not on.

Fake malware has attacked my computer -_______________________- So we need to bring it somewhere. So I won't be on as often, but I might be on this computer a bit. So, yeah, just a notice.

Bye y'all :) 15:51, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Try to come on as often as you can, Icey! <3 17:10, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Wondering
I was wondering since the characters on the charaters needing art page is almost empty..can we start on the other charaters who need a apprentice image? 16:36, December 11, 2011 (UTC) 16:36, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Wake up! We're already doing them ,16:47,December 11,2011 (UTC)

Oh sorry! I feel stupid :-/ 16:52, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, Leaf-storm, snappeh! XDD It's ok, Cinder, we just started doing them recently. 17:02, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oh ok. I'm not that late then. xD 17:07, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Birdpaw
Question about Birdpaw's scar. Should I include it on my pic, or does it count as an alt, like Brightheart and her injuries or Cinderpelt and her leg? ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 19:28, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I would REALLY like to join! Where do I put in a request to join? I use GIMP, Photoshop, Sumo, and Paint tool sai.

Scars almost never necessitate a scar alt. Longtail got one for his eyes because he was blinded, though I think very huge scars should get one but that's just me. But a small one over her eye wouldn't get one, sorry 04:29, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

XDarksong ~ Join Request
'''May I please join? I use paint tool sai, gimp, sumo, and photoshop. Where do I put in my request if it is not here?XDarksong 22:58, December 11, 2011 (UTC)'''

Yeah, you can join, wait for a lead to add you. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 22:59, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I made the title different so it won't be missed. 22:28 Mon Dec 12

Of course. Please read the guidelines and look at the tutorials before posting a charart and refer to the mentor program if you wish to apply for a mentor. Thank you for your interest in joining. 01:43, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cinderheart Alt.?
I've got a quick question about Cinderheart: Does she get an apprentice alt. for having a broken leg? Okay, I think that went...nicely. 04:35, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

If it was permanant, I'd say yes, but since it was not permanant and she returned back to normal, I don't think she'd get one. 04:47, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ivy's right, nonpermanent injuries don't necessitate an alt. Only major things that will stick with a cat forever 04:56, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Mm, cause then cats like Mousefang and Snaketooth would have to be done too.Sky ☀Surfin' Santa ☀ 04:57, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Mmkay, just asking. Thanks. 08:23, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

On that subject, couldn't Cinderpelt get alts for when Cinderheart was said to look like her? Because if Cinderheart was said to look like her, that would imply that Cinderpelt looks like Cinderheart and... ow, my head. 16:32, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

But, Shelly, it could also mean Cinderheart is very dark gray like Cinderpelt.....ugh....i' confused DX Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 23:38, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request - Grayflower10
Join? Grayflower10 16:25, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Edited the title so it wouldn't be skipped. A lead will add you in soon. 22:32 Mon Dec 12

Of course. Please see the guidelines before doing anything to the project. See the tutorials if you wish to see some examples on how to make chararts, and mentor program if you wish to apply for a mentor. Welcome to PCA ^^ 23:39, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

may i join? -dragonstar
i would love do join this. it sounds cool and i promise i will do my best to keep the art pefect.DragonStar ✯dragonstar

Please sign with ~ are press the signature button so we know who you are. 05:26, Tue, Dec, 13, 2011

A lead will come by and add you in. 12:01 Tue Dec 13

EDIT may i join? -dragonstar
can i join? i just wanted to say i use gimp and paint. see the rest on my other request above.

You don't need to start a new heading. You can just edit it under you're other join request. Also please sign. 05:28, Tue, Dec, 13, 2011

Now can I?
The approval page now has 48 topics, so now can I put Hollyleaf(A) up for approval? Also, when i try to upload it, it comes up with the old apprentice charart for Hollyleaf, not the one I made. I tried saving it under a new name but it came up with a red link andwouldn't work. This is my first charart, so I'm a little annoyed that I can't even get it uploaded already. Any help? 04:12, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you don't have it saved  Hollyleaf.apprentice.png  than it won't go right on the approval page. 12:04 Tue Dec 13

I did. it came up with the old apprentice charart. Not the one I did. 23:09, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes the old apprentice charart will come up due to a slow uploading process. You just have to notify the users critiquing it that changes have not shown up yet. Then they can go to the file history and view it from there. 23:11, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

..Oh okay..? Well I'll try again. 00:31, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Will somebody raise the approval page limit...I have been waiting for a while... 00:39, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

No. 50 is more than enough. We're not raising the limit for one user. 00:40, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, got it. 00:41, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

On completion
I have reserved two cats, Hollyleaf(A) and Bumblestripe(A), both of which are finished, but not put on the approval page yet because of the limit. if i have finished them, can i reserve another, taking them down? Or not? I doubt it, however, if I can't, can I start on a charart anyway even though I haven't reserved it? And if someone else reserves it before i do I just scrap it? 01:52, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Please re-read the guidelines you were given a link to upon joining this project and familiarize yourself with them. They'll answer these questions for you. 01:57, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay. 02:01, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Leopardfoot
I realized that Leopardfoot didn't have proper shading, it was shaded only on the outer rim of the charart. Does this deserve a tweak? 03:34, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

She's already on the tweak list. Next time you can check here. 04:37, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

...Oh. I usually look at only the "originals" section because i'm looking for one to do. Sorry! 21:40, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Requesting to rejoin.
It seems I forgot to say I was on vacation, or rather, on NaNoWriMo. Can I rejoin the project? 05:13, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Quailflight - join/rejoin request
Hey, some people may remember me. I would like to join the project, please! 11:21, December 14, 2011 (UTC)