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Mousefang (W) - Withdrawn
Shading fail. Anyways, Here's Mousefang. I redid the shading, but I don't think I like the pattern. Might choose another pattern for this one. Anyways, comments? 05:18, July 13, 2011 (UTC) Oh!

And I believe the original artist was Shaf Girl :) 05:20, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

All I can say is define the shading alittle and make the earpink fill in the ear correctly--

The eye is misshapen, blur shading on the chest, thicken shading on the haunch a tad, make the earpink proper, and I'm pretty sure you're supposed to shade/highlight the tail the other way.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:05, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Plus, the erpink looks a little missapen at the bottom, and the chest shading needs to go on the chin as well. The eye color is too neon. 14:02, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink, and blur teh shading on the chest. 16:49, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could, darkened eye, fixed eye, darkened earpink, lightened shading at some parts, fixed tail shading, added chin shading, fixed anglement of the earpink...and... yeah. xD 17:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink a bit more. :P 19:29, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 23:42, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Changes were showing, but not anymore. It stopped showing the changed before those two past comments, but it wouldn't let me edit xD 00:03, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, changes are showing again. Sorry I was at the beach all day, re-comments? 01:57, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is blotchy. Would you like me to help as I did with Whitewing, or can you do it? Mintstar  This time for Africa!  02:05, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on her neck. Looks great otherwise~ Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  19:37, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I blurred as much as I could. Mintstar: I'm sorry that you're doing all this for me ^^' You don't have to blur it though, but thanks anyways :D Getting a new computer soon, it will be great starting from scratch.. 19:09, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great, just blue the earpink a tad more~ Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  20:41, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks :D 00:54, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ear pink still looks kinda crooked --

Re-uploaded. 03:21, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the neck shading under the ear and the stomach shading where the haunch meets the upper body, close to the back. 03:22, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 18:23, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the neck shading. 21:53, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:27, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading looks a little too concentrated, if you know what I mean. Maybe it's just me ♔  S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 07:56, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'll fix it. Just letting everyone know that the changes are no longer showing. 16:00, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is blotchy, and I don't think blurring it will help. Try redoing it? Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  22:48, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm working on this, just trying to do it all on GIMP. GIMP is new to me so it might take a day or so. It'll be up by tomorrow. Sorry. 17:24, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, Re-uploaded. I know the shading needs to be blurred some, but here is my GIMP version ^^' Never to use Pixlr again...hopefully :3 Thanks to Frostheart who gave me her GIMP tutoiral on Teamviewer...lol. 18:26, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Add/darken shading on the haunch. Lovely! Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 18:32, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'll fix that little strange line next reupload. Do you think I should darken the legs? :P And thanks Snowdazzle :D 01:20, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear-pink, highlights and shading, lighten the higlights and they're are pink blots in the background, I'm not sure if you'd notice it, so I made a picture. Also, shorten the neck shading. ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 11:30, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights are fine. I'm proud of you Splashpelt XD, but do redden the earpink, and I know it's hard to find the right color for the ear on these colored cats. Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the highlights with the shading more. 16:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Pull the earpink down- so that the bottom most tip of the earpink is a little bit closer to the bottom most tip of the ear itself. Also blur the shading and highlights more.

Sorry, forgot to sign above. Sa lc  ie  21:04, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste around the charart (e.g. above the ear, beside the muzzle, under the tail, etc) 14:12, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hate this image so much. Rainwhisper helped me out some because I've worked so hard on the shading xP 15:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The original artist was Bramble. Now, this might sound stupid, but I think the colour is all wrong now. She looks more ginger than sandy brown... might I suggest going back to the original approved version (before previous Tweak Weeks) and editing that one to improve the shading, whilst keeping the gorgeous colour the original image had? Just my two cents. 21:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

The image at the top of this section is half-covered in a light, yellowish mist thing. It looks weird, and the yellow mist lightens the lineart to a grayish-yellow in some places.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 06:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry guys, but I've fiddled with this too much. I can never make it look suitable no matter how much time I put into this. I'm withdrawing this for now, someone else is free to take over. Sorry D: 01:15, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

May I take over? I'm not doing any chararts, currently. 01:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

That's fine, Misty. Go right ahead. Redden the ear-pink, define and darken the shading on the the top of the shoulders, and add highlights to the fronts of the forelegs and drag the shading towards the backs, if that makes any sense xP ♌The Star that cannot Return  to the Heavens ♌ 03:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Weaselfur (W) - Tweaked
Well, original artist was Sandy, the shading needed to be blured, and because all the other ginger images needed stripes, heck, I gave him stripes too ;3. Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  22:56, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Make the stripes smaller, I think. Now he looks less ginger, more brown. 00:50, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should lighten the stripes a bit. They look too dark. I always thought stripes on ginger cats weren't prominent, and you can't really tell that they have them. Well, with this, you can tell. Okay, I'm done rambling. All in all, this looks really good! 11:15, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I redid it. Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  17:54, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look really, really blotchy. They don't even look like stripes. 19:10, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this looks really weird...I'm NOT trying to be mean, it just looks like the pelt is watercolored or something. You might want to redo it. The white part of the paws coming onto the arms need to be blurred into the pelt a little, and the earpink looks neon. 20:19, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

There's an odd line coming out of his chest and a dot behind his head, floating in space. And I agree with them, it does look a little blotchy, but I think it's cool. 21:31, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

And their's a small red dot outside the charart. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 22:10, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I already said that. 02:33, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink a bit smaller, and there's loads of blurred lineart. And yeah, I agree with Ivystripe: The pelt looks watercoloured, but it's nice that way, I think, and get rid of the extra white above the white on the foot closest to us. It's messy. And the back lineart looks a tad thick. You might want to redo this.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 02:44, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I redid it. Again ;3. Better? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  15:16, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. But I think the lineart onhis shoulder is blurred a bit. It might just be a dark stripe fooling my eyes, though. 16:36, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on his haunch and chest/jaw area are too dark. Smudge them or lighten them.  HA WK FI RE98  16:56, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The shading on his chest stops as a straight line, making it look unnatural. Maybe curve it a little. 17:56, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Again with the too much brown. D: If the stripes were this prominent, the books would've described him as a tabby. Most ginger cat's stripes don't show much. 17:59, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Add the pupil in the eye.Dovey Newbie! 20:09, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The blue lines mark where the line-art has collided with the fur, and the yellow is to mark you should de-saturate that area. Blur the highlights and white paws. Other then that, nice. ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 11:41, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''I don't know what to do with the stripes..... 3; Comments? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  17:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty. x3 Just define some of the stripes on the back. 20:29, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Try blurring the stripes on the tail some. 22:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the upper half of the chest shading, as it seems a bit too dark. 08:15, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

It looks really good! Except the earpink looks blotchy. 16:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Better? Chell; Aperture Science Test Subject.  13:40, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the place where ginger meets white on the back leg more. 02:11, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Changes aren't showing... Chell;  Aperture Science Test Subject.  15:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the chest and the haunch and define the ear pink a bit. Lighten the ear pink as well. 00:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone help me with bluring the shading? I've resorted to using pixlr and the blur tool is giving me fits... Pianokey;  Frédéric François Chopin.  23:29, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I can't tell if the stripe-thing on the haunch is the shading or a stripe, but the charart itself is looking good. 16:06, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

It's a stripe, but it's in an awkward postition. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin.  01:46, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear-pink and darken it, blur the shading on the chest, and the stripe that's on the lower part of the haunch is really saturated and it stands out. Desaturate that and define the stripes on the back; they're kinda lost in the highlights. ♌The Star that cannot Return  to the Heavens ♌ 03:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (W) - Tweaked(Redone)
Yuck. The mottles look messy to me, and I didn't want to overblur them. I couldn't work with the original image, so I made a new one. He needed mottles and his original artist was Bramble, I believe. Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  19:12, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the mottle closest to his face. XD Make them smaller and smudge them into his pelt to give them a furry texture. Make his spiky fur outside the lineart, if you know what I mean. Erase the lineart and add spikes of fur then close it together?  HA WK FI RE98  19:27, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, mottles are supposed to be smaller than that. It's a bunch of little spots of darker and lighter color. Also, I was just about the suggest the spiky fur outside the lineart xD But if you need an example, you could check out Kinkfur's warrior charart. 19:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the mottles a little, at least. If you're worried about messing up his fur, then add the two details on separate layers to they don't affect eachother. 00:48, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you need to make the fur look more spiky and sticky-out. Dovey Newbie! 20:17, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I got the lineart from Kinkfur's(credit to who made that.) Mintstar  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  19:42, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should make the base pelt color mottled, and then add darker mottled patches like his description says. Also, why is the tail like a brown-gray color? Make it the same color as his pelt. Oh and blur the mottles a lot. 20:20, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, I think this looks more bushy than spiky. Maybe have all of the fur sticking out face the same direction? You may have to do some lineart editing, but it would help. Also, keep the original spikes that were on his sides, otherwise he looks flat. 20:22, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Someone else can work on it, I'm taking over Mistystar. And the spiky fur is fine as it is. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  23:02, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll take over ;3 So uh Reuploaded And before you tell me to change it to a .png, I can't because my computer doesn't let me upload .png files :P 15:49, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Add some more mottles. :3 The white face is a bit too dark, so brighten that up. 15:51, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my suggestion. :D I think it looks much better now. 17:38, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Change the file name to Thistleclaw.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 17:48, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart, I've said this before; I can't make it a .png because my computer won't upload it. 23:29, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

You want me to re-upload it for you under the proper file name? 14:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I reuploaded it under the .png filename, but the changes aren't showing... They should eventually, because when you upload a different one, the file changes show. So, give it some time to catch up. for crying out loud, this image thing gives me a headache. Anyways, second one down has the right image.>.> 14:12, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still not working. Sorry, Nightflower. =( 14:39, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I give up. I'll just set it back to the other one. Maybe someone else can get it to work... 15:06, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the muzzle/face part. ;3 -- 16:04, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

He needs White shoulders(Gosh, it may look weird....)

The ear pink is blotchy and it's to light. Maybe darken it? 00:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Add some fur sticking out towards the bottom of his tail. 02:24, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I fixed Thistleclaw's page so it's showing your work. :3 All I can say it there's a line of gray going through the ear pink that needs to be fixed. 15:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I'm not sure how to do the white shoulders, so can anyone shed some light on how to? x3 23:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

For the white shoulders, I'd either add in a really pale gray or brighten it with the doge tool. Same with the face. There's a spike on the underside of the tail that looks a bit clumped rather than spiky, could you fix that too so it looks like the others? This is looking good. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:00, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mothflight (MC) - Redone
Originally by either Icethroat21 or Bramble. The shading needed to be blurred and the earpink needed to be fixed. I ended up just pretty much redoing the whole thing. I wanted to get this, and Pinefur up before Tweak Week was over, but I actually won't be able to work on it at all this week. I'm going camping. So please don't decline this or Pinefur, I'll be back by next monday. Maybe even this saturday. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 00:31, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

This looks good, but maybe you should lightne the shading just a little. 13:55, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the shading is way too strong. Also, add a light part to the ear furthest away. 02:22, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the area between her haunches and front legs. And the shading is a little darker than it should be. Fawngaze 20:07, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I'm back! Changes aren't showing yet. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 02:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit more on the shoulder and haunch. Maybe add a highlight to the fronts of her forelegs? This is looking good! <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 14:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Technically the 24 hours were finished before you made that comment. And plus I don't have access to the computer with the .xcf file right now (it has a virus). Do I really have to do that? If yes, Ok. I'll find some way to do it with the .png file. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 18:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (W) - Redone
Meh, Froon convinced me to get off my lazy butt and do a charart :] This charart was originally supposed to be tweaked, but I was having issues with the shading, so I just redid it :P 02:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the earpink a bit more ;3 First Foxleap, and now Russetfur... We think alike cuz' ;D 03:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Change the file name to Russetfur.warrior.png so it replaces the old one. 03:21, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Meh, the changes aren't showing xP Oh, and I can't make it a .png because my computer won't let me upload it if it's a .png. 03:58, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

And FYI, the changes don't show when I first put the picture there for me too, but they appear after you publish it. Odd. Lol. 04:19, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're meant to say who did the charart before it was tweaked? I believe it was Dawnleaf :D. This is really pretty. Lighten the earpink though and there is a garbage around the top of the tail, a brown pixel I think :3 This is good Nighty! ♔ S u n s p i r i t  ♔ Back in... uh, yellow? 08:07, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Earpink looks really blotchy; I'll fix it in the next upload. 23:44, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

You should continue the stripes into the face, so it looks more natural instead of just the body and tail. 13:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur (D) - Redone
Russetfur's deputy charart. She needed stripes, so I redid her overall. Original artist was Echomist. Anyways, comments? 01:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Changes aren't showing...but who knows about these things xD 01:59, July 27, 2011 (UTC) (re-uploaded the image :3)

Darken the shading and make the stripes more like her other image. :3 02:10, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 02:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Changes won't show >.< (Edit: I renamed the file, I got it to show :3) 02:28, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Make her look more dark ginger, she looks brown. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  03:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mintclaw, I thought the same thing when I first looked at the pic. It's pretty, though. I haven't even figured out how to work with Adobe Illustrator or Adobe Photoshop.

Re-uploaded. Changes may or may not be showing, but the changed one is darker all together xD And to who ever signed above, remember to sign with four ~'s and refrain from repeating comments ;3 20:40, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to be a little more ginger, because the stripes appear brown. But I could be wrong, after all I'm still an apprentice. 22:47, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Ivystripe, it doesn't matter if you were an apprentice or not, you were right xD 01:47, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a ton. Looks good either way. =) 22:10, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Echomist...oh god, I miss her. Um, blur the shading more as Skye stated, make the stripes more...gingerish xD, and blur the ear pink. 00:29, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

You and Nightflower will have to converse, as the pelt markings don't look the same. One of you guys are gonna have to tweak the stripes. 20:49, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I redid the color all together. I'll talk to Nightflower on skype, we'll both upload our images together, probably on Teamviewer or something. 01:01, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Starlingpaw (A) - Tweaked


The original artist was myself. It has been requested that he needs tabby stripes. I've also blended the shading more thoroughly as it wasn't brilliant. 11:49, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe blur the shading just a little bit more? :3 12:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I can't see the tabby stripes, darken them a bit more. 13:43, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful! Lakewillow 22 16:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)Lakewillow 22


 * Finally the changes are showing up. Silvereye, I'm not sure I can blur the shading any more withou blurring the stripes, but I'll give it a go. Icestorm, can you see them now that the file has updated, or do they still need to be darker? I'm trying to find a middle ground between having the stripes and making sure they're not too dark as he is a ginger cat rather than a ginger tabby as such. Just let me know. 22:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see him. Good job! You might want to darkent he shading a bit more. 23:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded 07:15, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Add a little shading to the left ear -- 07:22, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The left ear is highlighted due to the direction of the light source coming from the left hand side of the image. There is shading to the right of the image, and highlights along the back and back of the ear. For this reason, the right ear is not highlighted as it would not fall directly into the light, where as the back of the ears would, hence the left ear is highlighted rather than shaded. Hope that makes sense (: 07:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Define the stripes on his tail (if possible, since the tail is skinny.) <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded 21:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix the lineart on his chest. 21:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't see where it's broken, and quite honestly need to sleep right now as it's nearly midnight. I'll be gone for a week, so if someone would like to fix whichever pixel my tired eyes can't spot, that would be much appreciated. Alternatively, just point it out a little more specifically and I can fix it when I return. Sorry. 22:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I checked, and the lineart is fine. Unless you're seeing something I'm not, which may be possible. 05:17, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (A) - Redone
Original artist was Sandstar12/Goldenpaw. He had to be mottled and given spiky fur- basically he had to match his description. The changes aren't showing yet. 16:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

The shading is good, but you might want to blur/ smooth out the lines/spikes that you put in the main fur. Sa lc  ie  20:19, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Your seeing the version that was before the one I made, so if you go to his file page and look at the second image in the image history you'll see what he's supposed to look like. x3 21:08, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Add some more shading to the spiked part of the fur on the body (yes, I'm looking at your newest version...nice!) 22:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Mkay the changes are showing now. ;3 I didn't add spiky fur to his body, only to the lineart. There's mottled on the body though. 23:41, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Give him white shoulders, like it is in his descpitoion. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 19:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 20:45, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

The white shoulder looks weird from a side-view...I think you should remove it, and just put a dab of white on the shoulder. 21:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well it is in his desc...but I agree it looks WERID..... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 21:39, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe blend the white a bit more so it looks less shocking? 23:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I agree about just bledning the white in more. I also think you should dark the leg closest to us since he's sitting and therefore keeping it in the shade. Fawngaze 20:19, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Oh woops, forgot to say '''Reuploaded. '''I don't think the changes are showing yet though xP. 01:45, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the gray a bit or smooth the transition from gray to white, it looks a bit sharp. Define the ear-pink and brighten it a tad. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 04:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''But Scarletwind I don't think the changes were showing when you commented, so I didn't blend it anymore. If you saw the changes though, then just tell me. 18:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Inside the white patch on his shoulder, there looks like there's a patch of really saturated white. Can you blur that? It just looks a bit unnatural. Otherwise, this looks beautiful. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:57, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ryewhisker (W) - Redone
I couldn't work with his old image because of the lack of layers so I created a new one. I really like this one. :3 Comments? 21:42, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the front legs and tail. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 22:26, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Lightened shading on the front legs and the tail. I forgot the original artist and revisions ;~; Um, the original artist was me and I re-did it. xD 22:30, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

You need to erase some of the shading around the tail. 23:51, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Where...? 23:59, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Never mind :3 00:01, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the earpink. The stripes look kinda like broken and wonky. xD 19:43, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Done. Frostheart, they're supposed to look that way. o3o 19:50, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the shoulder highlight. Also, it looks like the stripes were drawn over the shading and highlights. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  00:59, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

They weren't xD The shoulder highlight, it's supposed to be dim in order not to make the pelt all flashy because that's what happens. 14:03, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sharpen and darken the ear pink. 01:40, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

One-eye (E) - Tweaked
She needed thicker shading and highlights, and the original artist was Spottedwing. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:56, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks a little dark, and the ear farthest away from us needs a teensy bit of shading. 21:03, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The shading looks like it matches the other images for One-eye. I think you should blend it a little more, though. 02:47, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

It's supposed to...xD Blur the ear pink and add shading to the face and the head. 21:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- Icestorm... there's a highlight on the face XD <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  02:02, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow o-o I thought it was the pelt color. Then add shading to the ear not facing us. xD 14:02, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- is it the same as the rest of the shading? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  01:23, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar (E) - Tweaked
I pray that none of you ever have to add torn ears to elders. Scarletwind was the original artist and I just added torn ears. 15:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Good job! I don't see anything wrong with this, really, but I'll wait for more comments before approving this. 15:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Could you thicken the lines on the ears so they're the same depth as the other lines? Unless they're supposed to be a little thinner. 21:02, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I tried that, but it looked really... Just bad. ._. 00:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste where you edited the ears. 00:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Can you make them look a little more natural? Sorry...but they seem...too pointy. *waits to be shot by Moonflight* 15:40, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Stonefur (Ki) - Redone
Redone as longhair. Original artist was Sandstar12. Comments? 01:31, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Make it more blue-gray, and define the earpink. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  02:05, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, I can barely see it. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 07:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Also thicken it. 14:01, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Dunno if it's showing, the darker one is the revised version. 00:24, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nightwing (W) - Redone
Like Ryewhisker, it was extremely tough to work with the old image, so I made a nwe one. No, this isn't the image, the changes aren't showing yet. 15:53, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. Desaturate the shading, it's hard to see the lineart. Make the ear-pink a tad larger and brighten the highlights a bit. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 23:32, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

The Wiki is playing up ._. This isn't the redone version. 14:25, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mousefur ~ Tweaked
23:28, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the ear-pink and thicken and blur the shading. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 23:33, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded ~ woops xD 00:11, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I like this. Darken the ear pink a bit moer and also blur the shading a bit more. 15:02, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Original arrrtist?? What needed to be tweaked? Make the ear pink more triangular x) --

I know I put it up, hmmm *muses* Anyways it was Bramble and Sandy, and the shading needed to be fixed. 03:01, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Dovestar (WC) (L) ~ Tweaked
Shading tweak. Original artist is Brambleclaw14. 17:45, July 31, 2011 (UTC) I don't think the changes are showing... 17:50, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down ear pink 19:25, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like s/he? has tabby markings on the top of the head, so make it consistant. (sorry, I can't remember what gender Dovestar is) 19:28, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ear pink isn't my problem. The Dovestar I'm doing is male. I'll fix the other problem soon. 19:53, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Sorry guys. I named the subject the wrong Dovestar. I'm doing the male Dovestar from WindClan, not the female from RiverClan. Changes aren't showing, most likely. 20:08, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I really don't get why the changes aren't showing... 04:09, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading, if the changes are showing now. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The heading says Doverstar :P 16:12, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Do you realize how exhausted I am? 40 hours without sleep killed poor Cloudy. 00:05, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste aura around him, and tone down the earpink and nose a little. 18:45, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mistyfoot (Q)~Redone
Original artist was Bramble. Wow... I am really rusty and my blur tool is acting up again. Comments? And yes, I know that the shading is really blotchy... <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 23:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Well... the shading is blotchy XD! But yes,it does need to be fixed. Make the earpink a little bigger. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  01:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Completely redid the charart, hoping for things to work out with the new style I'm trying out. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The eye color blends against the pelt color. It needs to be ice-blue. And darken the earpink. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  22:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 23:53, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mousefur (E) - Tweaked
Original artist was Sandystar12 and she needed thicker shading and highlights. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  01:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

This looks really rice, darken the shading a tad by the head and on her front paws. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:54, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

That was past 24 hours. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  16:00, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Brokenstar (W) - Tweaked
Added torn ears. Original artist was moi~ ;3 Pianokey;  Frédéric François Chopin.  02:28, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

The changes still aren't showing, maybe try to re-upload it again. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 17:03, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

They're showing now :3 Pianokey;  Frédéric François Chopin.  17:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely. Redden the ear-pink and darken the shading. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 17:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Rosetail (A) - Tweaked (Redone)
Body needed to be a ginger color. The original artist was me. As it was one of my earlier chararts, it wasn't very good, so I found it easier to simply redo the whole thing, but I do have the old file if others think I should work with that. Anyway, Comments? (Changes aren't showing up yet X <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 15:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Make the tail more pinkish.... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 16:50, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:52, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:08, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I also darkened the edges of the stripes since I kinda lost them in the darker shading. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 17:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blackstar (D)~ Tweaked
Needed black ears. Oringinal artist was Bramble. All i changed/will change is the farthest ear. 15:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Shading looks blotchy(Spelling?) Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 16:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

As i stated directly above this, only changing the ear. 16:16, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re-upload it again to get the changes to show up. It worked for Brokenstar's. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 17:14, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Clovertail (Q)~ Tweaked
Needed darker shading, original artist was Ashshadow. 16:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  00:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 16:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bluestar (D) - Tweaked
Original artist was Mumble785, and she needed to be darkend, white muzzle removed, and the earpink was inconsistent. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  00:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Too much contrast between the highlights and the shading.. x( make them blend into eachother more and blurr it -- 01:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- The earpink was bugging me. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:37, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Mistyfoot (D) ~ Redone
Original artist was Sandstar12. Comments? <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading tons. The earpink needs to be smaller. The shading also needs to be thinner. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  02:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

And rename this 'Mistystar.deputy', so it replaces the original image. 03:24, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink. 14:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste around the head. 16:08, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading or redo it, it's very blotchy. 18:43, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

One-eye (Q) - Tweaked
Original artist was Nightfall101, and she needed thicker shading. I copied the clouded eye from her former queen image, comments? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  02:26, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading by the base of the tail, darken the ear-pink, and maybe make the clouded eye gray instead of amber? Or maybe make the pupil a misty gray instead of black? Just suggestion, cause, i think it just looks a tad odd with one full, amber eye. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:29, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I'm not too sure on the eye. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:58, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Birchfall (W) ~ Tweaked
The original artist was SparrowWing. I just added/darkened shading. 03:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

The ear-pink is to like....dark neon.... Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:20, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Also, it looks kind of sloppy on the haunch. Good job. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  14:59, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing (A) - Tweaked
Changes aren't showing, and believe me, this was hard. I re-did the shading, changed the ear-pink and added highlights. Meh. 14:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

This is great! Just blur the earpink. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:00, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded: Thanks. 15:01, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Clawface (R) - Tweaked
Original artist was Shaf Girl, and he needed scars. I blurred the shading too. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  15:04, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten and blurt he shading. Something's wrong with the lineart, it's too thick or it's blurred, you might want to fix that. 15:06, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- I redid the shading. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  16:07, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Better. I see nothing wrong with it. 17:22, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Running Horse (E) - Tweaked
Alright, original artist was Ashshadow, added graying muzzle, and it said he had scant fur, so I added scant fur :3. Comments? Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin.  15:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job. Brighten the brown. 15:27, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by brighten it? He's a dark brown tom. this is dark brown. Pianokey; Frédéric François Chopin.  15:52, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bring the graying fur on the top his the muzzle too and darken it a tad. Also, I know the tweaking says nothing about this, but define the ear-pink too. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 16:46, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I know, but it's like....reddish brown. So brighten it a bit. 17:12, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Question about Leafstar's images
Ok, I know I put my question in the incorrect place last night, where nobody could see it, so I'm just making a new section for it. On the Nominations page, I had originally put Leafstar's images down as needing cream (I DON'T see cream anywhere on her images), and somebody chnged it to just needing cream stripes. I'm confused as to how she has cream on her: I mostly wanted to clear that up, because I'm doing her queen image, but it'll be hard to make it match if she's not tweaked for the right thing. 16:07, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

There are cream blotches along her haunch, her back, her fore-head, her tail, her stomach, and her left fore-leg. I really like how this is, the cream is nice and soft. I never pictured her with cream blotches patched all over her, I think it was supposed to be much more subtle Night Fall 19:14, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like brownish-ginger to me. Berrynose is cream. 20:17, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well it blends into her pelt more and it looks pretty cream against the brown. It doesn't have to be like Berrynose cream, then it would look kind of odd and stand out too much in my opinion. 17:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like highlights to meWildfire 02:34, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Not to me. Highlights are brighter tones of the pelt, but the cream here isn't at all the shade of brown. I think Rainwhisper is right, if we did each cat with the same color of cream, then they wouldn't stand out as individuals. I think every cat that has cream on their fur has a different and unique shade of it. I think she's beautiful as she is Night Fall 02:37, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Well, usually when a cat is cream and tabby it means that their stomache and muzzle are totally cream, such as the white on Billystorm. I think the character art is nice, but the cream is unnatural. 19:37, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree that they look like highlights. Maybe at least add a cream underbelly, chest, or muzzle, like said above? 19:03, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I just really hoped she gets tweaked soon, because while Tweak Week is going on and I can't submit anything, I want to try to get it as ready as I possibly can, since we have a lot of chararts to do, and I need the right cream color (fyi the cream on all her images ARE in fact different, so one has to be picked for all of them) 20:25, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I want to see it drawn more realistically, too. For once, the cover art on the super edition looks closer to her description. Is it on the list for tweaking? 03:25, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is. 00:42, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Where is that list, anyway? Is it available to the general public? 00:38, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I just don't want to see this image totally redone...one, it's really beautiful as it is, and two, there's nothing that needs to be redone. I can agree that more cream could be added, but I hope that's the only thing that will be done to it Night  Fall 16:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don't want it completely redone. I just want to see cream added to her chest in a more natural pattern, like how we make any other chararts with descriptions like hers. Just look at Billystorm. He's described as a ginger and white, and we don't just have little white ripples in his fur. We made his chest, tail, paws, and muzzle white. 20:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

She doesn't have to be exactly like Billystorm. I think the image is fine as it is. You can obviously see cream on her fur - but yes, more cream needs to be added, and like Nightfall said, that's the only thing. 21:46, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

The Leafstar image is fine. There are many shades of cream, Daisy's cream is the most common. But, her image is fine.<font color="#FFE600">Moon <font color="#0276FD">stream 21:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

New Suggestion
I had an idea after looking at the page for Sunfish, who is only ever given a description by her appearance in the manga at the end of Crookedstar's Promise. If a cat only appears in a manga or isn't described in detail in a book but is shown in a manga, can we go with the manga description? I know there would be color problems, but we could just set the charart to generic colors and put 'tabby', 'totoiseshell', 'mottled', or something like that on the page. Just a thought. 17:46, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

It depends on how the character is drawn. 18:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point. It's not that hard to decipher pelt type in the manga. I really wish we'd use this as a rule. It's how we chose Tadpole's description, isn't it?

I think so. Plus, I think my dad told me something about how you can convert black-and-white into color, although it won't be as high quality as if it was color to black-and-white. 20:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Have we decided on the manga fourm yet? Wild fire  00:59, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Hi everyone. Look, I'm sorry to ask this again, it's just last time I was wrong about it, but this time I know I'm right. I'm sorry to bother everybody at this busy time, because I asked this already and I know I shouldn't again but...I was added here as a kit on June 22nd and that was a month ago so...can I be added as an apprentice now? I know I asked before, and I'm sorry but, I just need to ask it. Thanks. Shadey  Set Fire to the Wind... 00:53, July 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

This kit system is annoying xD. Sorry Shadey, I'll change you too an apprentice. What does everyone think of adding the date a kit joined to the table, so we don't miss anyone? Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 09:29, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

That is a really good idea. It would save us the hassle of having to go through edit history and all that fun and joyous stuff. 09:30, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, that would help us a lot. ^^' 14:37, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I joined the wiki on,like,June 4th and joined the PCA a few days later so should I be an apprentice now as well? I know I cant do any chararts until tweak week ends but I dont mind the wait. Dovey Newbie! 09:25, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Joining
Hi. I was wondering if I could become an apprentice in Project: Character Art.

Lakewillow 22 19:55, July 25, 2011 (UTC)Lakewillow 22

Welome to the project! You will be added in as a kit, so you can't do chararts for a month, but in that month if you comment a lot, you'll go up to apprentice. A lead will add you in. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  20:06, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in. ;3 Take a look at our Guidelines and some Tutorals for any help. 21:16, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Dovewing Charart
Why was it decided to use gold for Dovewing's eyes? I'm pretty sure we should go with the most often used description of blue, personally. I know gold was the original (even though technically the original from Sunrise was green), but if we went with the original for everything we'd have Rowanclaw as a female. 04:01, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Well, yes, gold IS the original. But Rowanclaw was first described as male, then he turned female, and went back to male, so we ARE going with the original. It wouldn't be pretty if we went with female, since he has a mate and kits. o_O. 14:07, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, look back at the last chapter of Sunrise. It calls Dovekit a light gray she-kit with green eyes. It makes more sense for her to have blue eyes, look at her relatives. Her sister, grandmother, and grandfather all have blue eyes. And the first time Rowanclaw had a description (in Midnight) in the alliengences, is was as a she-cat. In fact, a lot of the earliest descriptions changed over time. Lichenfur's entire appearence changed, and the first four leaders became five and knocked -star off of their names. Why only go with the original ideas that the Erins have changed? Has someone tried to get comfirmation from Vicky on it? 15:40, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart has a point. I believe we should go with the one that was said the most, in my opinion xD 18:42, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

And that's blue. I'm pretty sure her eyes were only called golden one time... just like they were only called green one time (and I'm pretty sure why the artist for the cover of the Fourth Apprentice made her eyes green on the cover). The warrior art for her originally had blue eyes, and was only changed to golden at the end. 19:08, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

We've had thing discussion before, somewhere in the archives, but I disagreed to the conclusion of it. I think we really should go with the most said, not the first. But we've had that rule for awhile in the wiki, so I dunno.

Seriously, I think we should just leave them gold. It only describes her with blue eyes in the allegiances and once in the book. But she's described with gold more than once in the actual book. Mistakes are made on the allegiances all the time, Moonleaf is right, look at Rowanclaw. This has been discussed way too many times before this, and it was decided that her eye color should remain gold. I'm not working my opinion around personal bias by the way, I actually picture her with emerald green eyes; nothing in the books or here will change that. I just think we should just drop it, and stick with gold. If she's mentioned with blue eyes more times in future books, then we'll change it to blue. But for now, gold Night  Fall 16:56, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, I just realized I forgot to sign above ^^ So the one above Nightfall was my comment, sorry xD And after reading Nightfall's comment, I agree with her. It isn't like the fate of the world depends on Dovewing's eyes, so we should just leave it. It's no use getting into a whole different discussion on it. 17:44, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
Can somebody add me in as an apprentice? I've been a kit for a month. Thanks! Wild   breath   12:30, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Do you know the date you were added in as a kit? 14:18, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

I think june 24th. Wild   breath   19:55, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I need an answer by today because I'm going to camp tommorrow. Wild   breath   14:04, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

?  Wild    breath   16:04, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. 16:14, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Join
Hi! I was wondering, Can I join?

Twilightheart200 17:53, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. Consider reading the Guidelines or maybe look at one of the Tutorials to gain some knowledge on Charart. Thanks for your interest in joining us, 19:14, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Agin...apprentice!
Hello! It´s Leaf-storm agin. Can I be apprentice now? I was made a kit 17.6.2011, I found it in history, thanks! Leaf-storm, 18:40 , July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Course. I'll add you in now, but you can't do art until Tweak Week is over. 19:10, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, and when will it end? And thank you, so much! Leaf-storm, 19:20 , July 29 , 2011 (UTC)

The date now is August 7th, but we're pretty sure it's going to go on longer. 19:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Kit System
I really don't find this fair. I mean, I get why apprentices can't do charart in Tweak Week - but if a user joins a project, it's for the user to participate. Not to wait an entire month before they can. I don't get this, really. I think it's unfair to the users who are looking forward to join the Project. 19:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I second your opinion. Rowanflight (Firestar1122000) 20:24, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that we get rid of the kit system, or revamp it? if so, you're going to haveto give some sort of special privilidge to apprentices to distinguish the two. Honestly, I like the idea, because when you directly became an apprentice (when I joined), a lot of people joined the project, did a charart and expected it to get approved right away, and when it didn't, they got tiffed and quit the project. The kit system shows a user's devotion to becoming an apprentice. 20:33, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Icestorm. Yeah, I'm a warrior of the project, but, it's not really fair. Also, if a user is a kit, and a new book comes out or something, they have to wait, giving everyone else a chance to get the characters before they can. 20:35, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Well, then, we need to decide if we're getting rid of the kit system, or treating them like apprentices and giving a privilidge to the apprentices (I'm not saying that to be greedy, but if you want to keep the kit ranking then you guys are going to have to) 20:55, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't like the kit system. How about if a user is inactive for more than a month without warning they get removed? Because apparently the entire "kit system" was because users weren't active or something like that... 22:46, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know...I thought it was because new apprentices got pissy when their art got critiqued. 22:52, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I also had another thought. We could shorten the amount of time a user is a kit, example, a week? 00:26, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree we need the kit system because some people leave once they learn how to make one for themselves but a month is too long so maybe a week or two just so they can learn. Wild fire  00:52, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

If we get enough people to agree, I think it should go to a vote. I think a week (and a half?) might be a good amount of time to make a user a kit 01:12, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

That seems fair, to shorten the span. I agree to the comments above as well, I didn't really pay attention to the kit system, but now I see what you all are saying. Many kits in the past had wanted to do a charart (say for Crookedstar's Promise) but didn't get the chance to do so. So I agree to shortening the span, it will also save the trouble of "It's been a month!" And "Can I be an apprentice? It's been a month." and all of that :3 01:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

While it's a bit irksome, I can see why they do it. It's like kits in the books: in the six moons the kits stay in the camp they become integrated into clan life and learn how things work. They get all the silliness out so they'll be truly ready when their real training begins. It's the same here. In the month you're a kit, you watch and learn how the project works so you can be ready when it's your turn to make character art. 02:03, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to speak as a non-member looking in, so bear that in mind when you read this. The Kit system is counterproductive. Creating art is a physical skill. The best, in fact the only, way to learn a physical skill properly is to do that thing. If you want to keep the kit rank, make it the period during which the user must prove themselves, by doing their first piece for the project (and limit them to one claim during that time or something. I think you permit multiple claims the rest of the time). You might want to emulate the way the books are working, but when that interferes with the effectiveness of a project, it's inappropriate. You already limit (out of practicality) the number of char art pending at once, why limit what members of the project can actually participate on top of that? This is the only project that requires membership to work it, why should membership require an unnecessary period in which they member cannot contribute? If the user fails char art piece one and number finishes it, then let that weed them out, not them loosing interest in the project while an arbitrary waiting period is met. And if new members get irritated over crit, them duff them out for being unwilling to take constructive criticism. The process of refining a piece is a fundamental part of this project. The rank system is currently unnecessarily deep, a waiting period is unreasonable and unnecessary. Get people making art and proving skills. if they don't have the skills, have them come back after they've practiced a bit on their own. 02:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

After reading that, I recend my comment and say go with Kitsu's idea. Kits get one image with which they can proove themselves? Sounds good to me. But, for the record, at least kits do get to make an imput by criticizing the images pending approval. 02:45, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

You know, this IS getting kinda long, don't things involving changing the project go on the forums? Or can this continue being discussed here? And Kitsu, I do see what you mean. I think that a month of doing very little but critiquing is counter-productive, because by then they may have lost steam, along with interest in the project. 02:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think what people need to realise is that not everybody is able to do charart to the standard required to the project. This project has become something that people want to do to make themselves seem 'cool' but not everyone has the skills, or will ever have them. That sounds harsh, but that's the way it is. I think the wiki needs a change of focus, where every project is seen as equally important and anyone who contributes anything is made to feel welcome and part of the in-crowd, not feeling like they have to join a certain project to be recognised. That's something not easily solved overnight, but I think when it does happen you'll have less members anyway and only those who really have an affinity for charart will be wanting to join (for the most part). I agree with Kitsu that people need to be able to accept critique, and have the skills in the first place. Not everyone is good at visual art and that needs to become okay. 08:35, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm also going to point out, that you'll have less problems if you stopped being so finicky over little things. I keep seeing discussions going back and forth between 'darken the shading' 'lighten the shading' 'make the ear pink bigger' 'smaller' 'more red' 'less red' etc. There is no correct way to do a charart as long as there is a clear light source, shading to show that, and it looks as realistic as possible. If it is an accurate and professional-looking representation of the character then it should be approved. Not just commenting and being fussy because you don't like a certain thing. If it's not explicity wrong then it may be down to taste... I know this is off-topic, but if you get charart moving through the page more quickly then this project might eventually reach its goal, thereby rendering this discussion irrelevant anyway. 08:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not liking the kit system so much. While it has cut down on "blossmhart3423465 got the character I wanted to do. I quit!" Type of situations, a month is too long. How about we try a week + a first character, like Kitsu said. Perhaps in that week they have to have posted at least five construstive critiques? Maybe it'd be hard to keep track of, though... I agree with Sandy, as well. I almost feel nervous about doing ear-pink, it's never been my strong suit, and honestly... it's such a small part xD. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 10:37, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I don´t like this too. And about Tweak week... could help the volunteers?! When I saw Jaggedtoohts rogue image I say: please.please,please! Leaf-storm,11:47,July 30,2011 (UTC)

Sandy, doing any kind of art in the public means you'll have to put up with constructive criticism, even for the little things. It ensures the best quality for the website. There's no way we should put harsher guidelines on that. We already have it so no one repeats what others are saying and no one criticizes too harshly. It's not like people are coming on here saying 'OMG U SUX'. We're critiquing to help artists get better. 13:09, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Returning this to topic: I think any waiting period is inappropriate to this project, and I'm happy that many of you see the truth of that. This project isn't for training artists, it's for getting the art done. The Kit system is currently for training. If you guys want to train artists, find somewhere that's not already got a job to do it at is my recommendation. People should never join a project and be told that they're not permitted to start working. Accept them into the project and use the kit period to prove they have the skills the project needs. If they don't have what the project needs, then let them go and read the bagillion tutorials (half of which teach a single technique) on their own time and put in a little practice. 13:31, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart: I'm more than familiar with constructive critism and critiques thank you. There's quality and then there's people without the necessary knowledge over-critiquing a piece of work until it becomes worse than it originally was. I've seen it happen time and time again, and whilst I agree that details are important, this project also has a goal to reach at some point in the foreseeable future. Not that you'd believe it with the attitudes one can see around here. This project is not about critiquing to help artists get better, it's about art for the articles, and however much you want to sugarcoat that and pretend it's just for fun, it's not. If that's your attitude towards the project, I suggest you rethink your reasons for being here.

I completely agree with you, Kitsu: this project is not for making people better artists (try deviantart.com or some website dedicated to art, if that's what you're here for), it's for the articles. 20:14, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sandy, I get what you're saying, but we want our images to be as good as they can be, even it means fixing the little things. But I do get what you mean, a great-looking image having to repeat a full CBA over, "blur the earpink." The kit system is bittersweet, as said up there. It shows whether they are truly devoted, or just came because they felt like it. And limiting them to no chararts for a month is harsh. Yet I don't think they should get images needing to be done, because if they aren't the greatest artist, it can take months for it to get placed on the page it belongs to. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  01:43, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this project is about making accurate visual representations of characters to put on character articles, not making people better artists (though I did get better a little bit in art because of this project ^_^). Mintstar, I get what you're saying about making the chararts look as good as they can be, but it doesn't really matter as long it portrays the character accurately.

Now, the kit system. -sigh-. It's pretty much for users to become better and practice. Like I said, it doesn't matter if the charart's good enough, but it should portray the character accurately. For the most part, users join this project because they want to do chararts and have fun. Becoming a kit and waiting for a month isn't really fun for them. They can only comment on others' work. But it probably would teach them that it isn't about making chararts and making them look good and having fun, that it's about making them to be put on articles, so I think the kit system should stay and not be shortened. 17:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

If the kit system is removed, which i dont think it should, but shortening it a bit might be good, we should start inforcing the rule that if a charart has been in approval for more than a month(or 2 i cant remember) then it will be declined. If an image has been uo for that long and hasnt been approved, its probably not going to be. 17:28, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I dont think its fair, for ALL reasons above. You get removed from the project after 1 month inactivity, and *boom* you have to be a kit for a MONTH. I say remove it and/or shorten it. 19:48, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I definetally think it should stay, but we have to fix the flaws of it. (I know, I've put my input on this about 1,000 times already xD) Another thing we could do to proove that they were doing their homework, we could always ask them a couple questions, such as "if you were to make Firestar's apprentice image, what would it's filename be?" maybe after a couple of days of joining. 19:53, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I say we should have a simple charart (a shorthaired brown warrior) that they could do when they think they're ready and if It looks like they read the tutorial and know what they're doing they become an apprentice. Wild fire  21:34, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

If the waiting time for a kit is shortened then the talk page would get clustered with "It's been a week, can I be an apprentice now?" Making users wait a month, though, is unfair. Making users do a "test" charart would be a good idea, however, where would we put all the "test" chararts? Plus we have enough pictures as it is. Right now we're having uploading issues, most likely, due to the amount of pictures we have already. Also, by declining chararts that have been up for more than two months can also be unfair. There are many lapses in comments, going from 4+ days, because most users are on top of their chararts in reuploading them.

I propose to keep the kit system but perhaps move them up to apprentices when the leads see that they are commenting. They could possibly have the ability to do a charart even if they are kits, and if leads see that they are taking constructive critisim well move them up to apprentices. Give them say, a month or two, to prove their activeness, and then move them up to apprentices. Perhaps even warriors should be able to move up a kit. It's an idea. 00:59, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Hm, good idea. They could do a charart and the leader, deputy, or a senior warrior of their choice could see it and ift hey think it is good, move them up a level? If they don't, tell them gently they will give them perhaps a week or so to test them and make them an apprentice? To the comment above Atelda's - maybe we could post them on Tinypic or something like that? Or through email? 15:00, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Email would be a good idea. All the leads could put a link to it on their userpage and it wouldnt ruin the wiki uploader. 15:40, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

About what Kitsu said about training, I agree. There are plenty of tutorials that kits can look at, instead of just waiting around doing nothing. Shadey ''' undefinedSet Fire to the Wind... 17:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Join Request
I would like to join please! SpottedtalonMudears 01:17, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and placed this join request in it's own section so it didn't get lost in the discussion above. 02:27, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Spottedtalon! Sorry for the wait, everyone's been busy. I'll add you in right now, please look at our guidelines and some of our tutorials to get started.<font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:14, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Can i join please? Maplefire 02:40, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure you can! A lead will add you in when they can. I recommend reading the guidelines to learn how we operate. 02:54, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Maplefire! I'll add you in now. As Cloudy has suggested, please review our guidelines and our apprentice tutorials to help get you started. Sorry for the wait. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:13, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
I become an apprentice today! I rejoined on June 30th. Can someone pwease add me in as an apprentice? Thankies! Ginger is back! <sup style="font-family:IguanaLover BTN;color:#104E8B"> and better than ever!  14:05, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone'll double check, and you'll be added in as an apprentice as soon as the leads have the time. =) 14:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
its been at least a month since i joined, and im still a kit. can someone change that.Bluestar11796 18:01, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure! 16:13, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice?
I've been a kit for well over a month, since I joined somewhere around June 12th, and I'd like to know if I can be moved to apprentices. Sorry if I wasn't supposed to ask! >.< Fawngaze 20:29, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Someone will double check to see if you're right. And it's okay to ask. 17:22, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join? I've been wanting to join for quite a while, but just figured out how. orz. Toadstar 21:34, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Toadstar! You'll be added as a kit though. Welcome! 14:27, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Toadstar! Sorry for the wait, everyone's been busy. I'll add you in right now, please look at our guidelines and some of our tutorials to get started. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

May I join?
Can I join please? As a kit.

<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt">OwlXGlitter4EVER

01:48, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sure! A lead will add you in soon. 17:23, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the project, Toadstar! Sorry for the wait, everyone's been busy. I'll add you in right now, please look at our guidelines and some of our tutorials to get started.<font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 03:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Redoing Images
Redoing every image that is "hard to work with" isnt okay. Reread the guidelines for tweak week. The only images that are to be redone are the ones in the images to be redone section. If the image is to hard for you to tweak, pick another one. If the image is under images to be tweak, just tweak it. 17:38, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Um not really related to whats said /\ But um just wondering, WHY do all ginger cat NEED stripes, at one point when Mossy was leader, she said That ginger cats don't HAVE to have stripes, I just wanna know, why they need stripes. Sorry if I am souding rude. Just wanna know. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 22:19, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, some images you just can't work with. It's not a big problem, and if the artist can't work with it, then there's nothing against redoing it. Like I said, it's not a problem nor a big deal. If it means making the image look better, which 99% of the time it does, then there isn't a reason for it to just be tweaked. But if it can be tweaked and still look good, then you are right there. But otherwise, redoing it is not a problem at all. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  22:56, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

I re-do my images because I find it a lot easier to work with them some of the others. If the shading needs to be fixed, then sometimes it is a lot easier, and a lot more effective, to redo the whole thing. Now, if it's something like blurred lineart, that can be fixed in a matter of seconds. It all depends on what you're working with, honestly. 22:59, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I think some of the images that are in for tweaking should have been placed in the redone section. But, that's just my opinion. 23:02, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally think it should be Ok to redo an image if there aren't any other images for that character. If you redo an image and that character has other images, then you'd have to redo all the others to match it, but I don't really see a problem with redoing the image of a character with only one charart. It's easier and the final image almost always looks a LOT better then it would have if it was just tweaked. ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 02:54, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

True that sometimes redoing an image can bring out better results, but it can also take way longer to get approved. With the amount of images nominated for Tweak Week, we can't afford to take time to redo all those images in the limited time we have. If they needed to be redone they would be in the redone section in the nomination forum. I know I'm sounding quite blunt, but we have a limited time, not every warrior is avalible to participate in Tweak Week, and we have a huge list of images needing tweaking. 04:03, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree; the whole point of the "redone" and "tweaking" sections are to separate the two. Some images need tweaking, but others do not. I think a lot of the really good images that were supposed to have been tweaked were completely redone, and they don't look as good now. They were approved once the way they were, there is no reason for them to be approved all over again with a completely different look. Iceheart is right, if it's too difficult for you to tweak without redoing, then you should pick a different image. Night  Fall 05:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * You know, you may be right, but, not everyone has the same skill level. As TW goes on, some of the easier images are already done. You can't just expect someone to sit by while everyone else works. They're going to help out, regardless of if they can do it. I know I am. Sometimes with the shading, it can get hard to work with. I've had to re-do an image like that already. I don't think you should tell someone they can't do an image. In case you haven't noticed, a lot of the easy stuff is gone. I know I re-did a few, and one of them is up for approval now. Whitefang. Are you going to decline it because I re-did it instead of tweaking it? Some of the images that needed tweaking were a little messy anyways, so what's it matter? I think some of you guys are just too picky. Kick me out if you will for voicing my opinion. Some of the images that needed to be tweaked looked better off re-done. 05:11, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * The entire point about Tweak Week is to make the images look better. In my opinion, it is unnecessary to tell people they can't re-do images because they weren't on the "tweaking list". If a user has a problem tweaking the image or if it looks plain bad, let them. I agree, it will take a fairly long time to approve, but work harder then. Would you rather have a messy, ugly image and have it take 5 seconds to approve or a nice, clean image and have it take 20 months to approve? 14:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Everyone has valid points. But the only problem that I see is if the charart isn't your own so you'd be replacing another artist's work without their permission. Maybe, if you're planning on redoing a charart that isn't your own, you should try to get the permission of the original artist unless they've had no edits for two months. Then, I think it's safe to assume that they've left the wiki. Thoughts? <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 15:04, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Nightfall, Atelda, you are the best. Your points are exactly what i ment. No Cloudskye, we arent telling you not to do chararts, but there are still plenty of easy ones to do. And honestly yes, (Not the ones currently up) I think future unneeded redone images should be declined. As for time, TW has only limited time, if an is that bad, it shouldnt have been approved at all, and none of them really are. We only have limited time, so ya i would prefer the 5 second one. And like Scaletwind said, is it really fair to just hijack someones art? 15:51, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

It does not matter how long the image takes, just as long as it is done. For TW, it should be done quick. Anyways I agree with Cloudskye. You can't tell someone they can't do an image because they can't work with it. If they need to redo it, so be it. If it takes 20 months, it can wait the second TW. Five seconds would have to be tweaked anyways. What if we always made sloppy images? That wouldn't bee good. So if the shading/highlights are unable to be just tweaked, it should be redone. And there isn't a reason to decline them, that's just being picky. As for what Scarletwind said, if they aren't a member in the project, go ahead and take it. If they are a warrior or above, ask permission like she said. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  22:48, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mintstarr, you're right. If you do decline redone images, then it's just being picky. Y'all are saying hijack like it's a bad thing. Sometimes, it's good re-do images. As I said before, not all of the ones that needed to be tweaked should have even been in that category. Also, Iceheart, easy for you is different then easy for me, so I really don't want to hear that. I really don't think you're getting that not everyone can do the same work, because not everyone's skill level is the same. Y'all just wanna be super freaking picky. *waits to be shot* 00:21, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

No i want to follow the rules of tweak week. And yes people have differnt skill levels, but i just did one where all you had to do was make one ear black. How much kill does that take? There are still plently like that. If you thought that the images should have been redone, you should have put them in the redone section of nominations. Seriously, if you guys are going to comment on this, first read the rules for the past tweak weeks. I bet they didnt have this problem. 00:28, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh, for crying out loud, I have read the rules. And I'm not the one that put the images into the "tweaked" list anyways, so don't be telling me that. You're treating us like we're little kids. Just because you're one of the leads, doesn't mean you're 100% right all of the time. Actually, speaking of leads... Where's Darkhallows? I'd like to see her opinion on this as well. 00:33, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was here last tweak week and I remember some people re-doing images because they were tough to work with. 00:42, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, it does not matter if the image is redone or not. If it looks good and accurate, then there isn't a problem. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I agree with Cloudskye all the way. Redoing an image to make it look better is not a problem. It becomes a problem when someone makes it one. If what Icestorm is said is true (which it is because I know she wouldn't lie) then there is nothing wrong with redoing them. If we didn't put them in the tweaking section, it's not our fault. It doesn't harm the wiki or project, so there is no reason to make a big deal over it. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:red;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:white;">Mintclaw  I may be bad, but I'm good at it!  00:51, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

I really never intended for it to seem like im talking down to you guys, sorry bout that. But if you want to make me seem like the bad guy for trying to enforce the rules, fine go ahead. And if we are going to start redoing more images than what are needed, there is one rule that im thinking has to be inforced. In the TW rules it says that all redone images need toge through CBA, with a lead saying it and everything, and we've been ignoring it for now. If we really want theses chararts to look better, we need to be sure of it. 16:13, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

join request
Hi I asked about 2 weeks ago and I still havent been added on yet can I be added on soon?It seems like waiting forever!!-- 20:59, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, my goodness. Maybe someone didn't see the join request/wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry about that. =( 23:00, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'll add you in as a kit. If you haven't looked already, you should check out our guidelines and some tutorals. :3 13:59, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Request
Hi PCA! I've been a kit since June 17, and, I wonder when I'll become an apprentice? Please, help me! <font color="#FFE600">Moon <font color="#0276FD">stream 21:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. Of course, you're supposed to be an apprentice, I'll move you now. Our kit system still has some problems. And thank you so much for being so patient. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 23:57, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Verification Error with images
Hey, has anyone else been getting a window the pops up when you try to upload a file that says Verification Error? I've been getting that when I try to re-upload over Mistystar's deputy charart, so that's why it hasn't been updated yet. I was just wondering if anyone else has been getting that too. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#475982">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#475982"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 16:50, August 2, 2011 (UTC)