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Longhaired apprentice blanks
I know if they change, it will result in many being redone, but i think the longhaired apprentice blanks have a stumpy-like-tail. and they just seem weird that way. 15:40, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

They kind of do, but we have too many long-haired apprentices to just re-do the tail. Personally, both the long-haired apprentice and warrior's tails are weird (they need fur lines at the end), but it'd be a lot to change. 15:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Frankly I don't like any of the apprentice blanks, as the tails and front legs are awkwardly thin and long (no offense to whoever made them!). But to redo every apprentice on the site... it would be quite a feat. Maybe it can be something we can do when there are no new chararts to do, like after the end of the Fourth Apprentice series and before the start of Dawn of Clans. For now, though, there are more important things to focus on. 15:46, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hello i would like to be on the PCA again i will bw more active or at least as active as i can be.Acornfur 16:00, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

That's true, Shellheart. That would definitely give us something to do. The apprentice blank's tails have bothered me for as long as I've been on this wiki. 16:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yes but thats an unbelievable amount of work. I agree that they look off, (Personall i like the loner blank even less) but its not worth the work. 16:49, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shellheart, we should try and redo them (and MAYBE, just maybe, the rogues too) between the series. I always thought the apprentice blacks could use some tweaking, but that WOULD take a lot of work. We're probably not gonna really have anything to do between the series though, so we should take the spare time to accomplish big tasks that would be too hard normally. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

So I'm not the only one who thinks the short haired apprentices look bald. If we were to do this, it would create a lot of work. I say we do what Paleclaw said and do it in between series. ☾Mint☽ Cheers! I'll drink to that. 20:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Should this become a forum like the queen one? F i r e s t a r !  20:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this should turn into a debate. If we redo the blanks, we'd have to redo many chararts, and add much more to the tweak list. That means the Tweak Page would be loaded. And besides, what would we do to tweak this? Make the tail longer? It's been fine as long as PCA started, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal. 22:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)If

If we do end up doing that, it wouldn't come to a vote now, as this is an astronomical overtaking, and is best saved for another time. 03:06, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Especially after we've gotten all of the WindClan and RiverClan cats to their correct pelt lengths. 15:56, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Announcement
Just in case anyone didn't notice, this announcement concerns the recent vote to change the Queen rule. The recent vote was ended at midnight, and the vote to change the rule passed. The rule now states that: 'A queen is defined by the project to be any cat to either be seen pregnant/nursing a kit/kits or a cat mentioned as having done so in the past. 'Thanks to everyone that voted and participated in the discussion. 19:33, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Glad the rule is changed. 20:30, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

That's a good stated rule. :) 21:56, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad I was able to do this for the project and had so much support. Now I think I'll settle down and be happy as a warrior here making chararts, at least until something else comes up that I think needs attention. ;) 22:03, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

No hard feelings to anyone, Atelda. ^^ 22:26, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * shrug* I still stand by my vote, but majority rules. 22:04, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

@Atelda: Agreed. Our side was never going to win, though. My doubts formed when I saw that the section I added my vote to had, what, 11? And the other side with votes had like 21.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 03:13, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

@Kittycat79 22. I made the last vote on the change side. ^.^  ~Regifloat222  Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 13:16, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

I never agreed with the other side, but at least it was a fair vote *shrug* So does that mean that any cat mentioned as a cat's mother gets a queen pixil then? 23:39, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. But the only two cats I could see that didn't get a charart because of the old rule were Yellowfang and Leafpool. The rule was never followed otherwise. 23:43, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Of course not, Shelly. @ Kitty, I doubted our side was going to win too, but I did want to state my opinion on the fact. :) 00:28, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Blanks Announcement
Listen up, PCA. We are planning to redo the apprentice and MCA blanks. Iceheart will be providing the lineart and it will be posted right after The Last Hope is released in April. Until then, no one should take an apprentice or an MCA blank. The ones up for approval can stay until approved, but no more are to be added. Once the blank is approved, all the apprentice chararts will be redone in the approval section so everyone can have a shot at one. If a new apprentice or MCA blank is found for approval, it will be declined. Me, Iceheart, Cloudy, and Ivystripe have agreed all on this. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

whoa, so we're really gonna do this? Seems really extreme to me, alright awesome! Cant wait to see the blanks x) -- 01:15, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

So exciting! x3  M  i  s  t  y  p  e b  b  l  e   01:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Knowing Iceheart, the blanks will be beast! x) Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 01:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! It'll give us something to do until new books come out, at least. And the old blanks just look awkward and anatomically incorrect. Their shoulders are backwards, for crying out loud... 02:24, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is great! :) I agree; the current apprentice blanks don't look right. Especially the tail on the longhaired one. It's practically a ball of fluff! And the legs are too long and thin, the shoulders are backwards...yeah. So we're going to tweak the apprentice blanks, not redo them?- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 08:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think it would depend upon the charart. That's not for me to decide though, senior warrior or not. 08:38, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, looking back in the archives, I notice that the original blanks were put up for approval, just as a charart would be. Shouldn't the new blanks be put up for approval so we can critique them and make sure they are to everyone's liking? 17:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why not. It would make a lot of sense. We did that a few months ago with the prey hunter blanks, so this wouldn't be any different. 17:34, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Should I remove all of the apprentices in need of tweaking or makeovers since they're gonna be remade anyway? I can go ahead and save you guys the trouble of removing them if you'd like me too =) 19:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why not move them to another section of the page? We could add all the apprentice file names there, because there's bound to be one or two that will be missed. 19:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ya know, that's a good idea as well. But we should put in the section to not reserve any of them until the new blanks have been made. If it is agreed I will add the section and add as many apprentices as I can. 19:25, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I've no problem with it. I'll help you out as well. Since I don't have much of a life right now, I can fish though each article and find ones that have been missed. 19:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so we don't edit conflict I'll let you know when I've got the section done. 19:29, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Finally! The apprentice blanks have been bugging me for a while. 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh, Cloudy, Ivystripe, you can just use these two pages, in lieu of hunting all the images down yourselves. 20:05, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Duh. I forgot about those pages. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a few images missing. I'll still go through and look anyways. Double-checking never hurt anyone. 20:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I went through the category and added all the images, plus some off the top of my head that probably weren't there. Feel free to add any missing or any misspelled redlinks. Minus Mapleshade and Mudfur as they were mistakenly listed there xD 20:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I've always disliked the tails. :3 This is going to be a fun project for us all, I'm excited for this. 23:31, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am too. Plus, if a user really wanted to do a character they like, well now they have a better chance at doing that. I'm glad we're redoing them. 00:45, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

After the tweaked apprentice blanks are approved, there'll be loads of new chararts to do! :D Despite the fact that it is a rule that only 35 images can be up at a time on the Approval Page.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 07:47, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds exciting! :3  11:03, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

This will be intense. We'd have to wait until April though Dx. Though I wouldn't mind. 21:32, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking Rules
Okay so me and the other leads were chatting it up and came up with some rules that have to be followed when tweaking images. If you dont, the image is instantly declined. (These dont include things i the redoing section, those can just be redone)


 * An image should only be redone if and only if the image is too hard to work with, and either the leader or deputy says you can redo it
 * Don't just add an image to the redone list and then immediately post the image. Give the leads a chance to remove it if they disagree.
 * No major tweaking that they arent listed for either. Like if they had bad shading dont redo the stripes or anything else so that every other pixel then needs to be tweaked to.
 * And if it needs to be redone as longhair/shorthair, try not to change the pelt style too much.

And there it is. 02:17, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair! (Was this decided when chat wasn't working for me?) 02:18, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that images that have been redone when they only needed tweaking so far will be reverted? 02:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

No. This is from here on out. There would be no point in reverting images that have already been approved. 02:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a fair rule. Geez, so many rules are changing these days! :P 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

What if you have to redo the shading, but there are no other pixels? You know, just that one? It'd be easier to redo it altogether, and there's no worries about redoing other pixels. 19:52, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

If there are no other pixels, then I don't see why not. However, this shouldn't get out of hand. 20:10, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Leafpool's stripes were supposed to be redone on her warrior image, so I redid the whole thing, and I tried to get the white as close as possible to the original. Is it okay that I redid it? ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:36, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Since it was already redone, and the rule was just made, I think its okay. 23:06, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Only if it sorely needed to be redone. If it could go with fiddling with the colors and stuff, then no. We'll have to see how drastic it is (I had to redo a lot of the shading on Skywatcher's loner because it didn't match his elder, but it was nothing but an improvement) 15:15, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

I used all the same colors, copied the white as best I could, made stripes thinner, and added some. Does this qualify for staying redone? ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:49, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

It needs to look like her MCA/MC image, since they came first. 20:51, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, not really. All the images need to be tweaked for having Y stripes - regular stripes, dude. So technically, I guess it can stay. , 21:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks a lot like her MC (the stripes), and since when did we say no to "Y" striped tabbies? I thought it was for cats like Bumblestripe. 21:03, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

We said no with a chat with the Leads on a PCA chat. You tell me when you've seen a cat with Y stripes. 21:05, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

It is an attempt to make it look like a mackeral tabby. Some of the placements are unrealistic but mackeral tabbies have similar patterns in some places. If it was decided, then there should have been an announcement (unless I was living under a rock) 21:07, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

We didnt say there were no more ytabbies, we just said we didnt like them. Youre allowed to do ytabbies and were not redoing all of them. 22:41, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

That makes no sense. Then why in the world was Dustpelt on the tweaking list for unnatural stripes? Same with Thornclaw. 22:44, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Because no one took them off the list. Its the exact same thing that happened with triangle tabbies. Its the artist choice. 22:46, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yellowfang's face
I think I can tweak Yellowfang's face to have a more flattened muzzle in her chararts. If you look, you'll see that Persian muzzles barely stick out an inch. I just want to check to see if anyone else thinks I should. I think Cloudskye's done a great job with the muzzles, but it just needs to look more Persian than just cat with short snout. 16:11, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I remember having difficaulties upon the placement of the herbs and such, but you can pull it off :) 18:34, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Good luck. Also, I didn't start that whole thing off with the muzzle. It was Rainwhisper. =) 18:36, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I was the one who found out she had Persian ancestry from Vicky herself. Well it was a lot more flattened before the image was re-tweaked again, I don't know if you meant that or not. 19:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ivy, I meant who MOVED it...or wait. Was that your idea too? I can't remember. 19:12, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

It was my idea as well, I know I really pushed for it to get moved. I meant at the start of tweak week it was alot more drastically short before it was re-tweaked by Icestorm (I think...there's too many Icys)  20:22, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

join character art
Hello. May I join character art?Leafstar22 19:45, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll add you in now :-) Take a look at our guidelines and some tutorials if you need any help. Welcome to PCA! =D 19:53, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Leafpool
Does she get an alt for tabby and white? I was reading Moonrise this morning and she was described as that. I was thinking it meant like Ivypool, so does she get an alt? 00:22, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

If it doesn't sound like it's pertaining to her, then she doesn't get one. Do you have the section where it says that? 00:30, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I have the quote: "Leafpaw's fur prickled; her tabby-and-white pelt would show up starkly against the short grass." 00:35, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can I do Pinestar's alt leader for being described as a fox-red tom? I looked for it in CP and found it, so it's true and it is Pinestar that is described as that. 00:37, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I thought he was more reddish but he's not so it's a bigger change. 00:43, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Gimp?

How do you use gimp.

I can't find it! Help! 12:34, October 5, 2011 (UTC) Leafstar22

To understand how to use GIMP, you need to have it first, which it sounds like you don't. Here is a link for you to download it if you want it www.gimp.org. If you cannot figure it out after you have downloaded it, ask me. I am really skilled with the program. 15:47, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Leafpool is tabby and white... Just because it didn't say light tabby and white doesn't mean it's far off enough to need an alt in my opinion. 16:47, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart is right. There is no need for Leafpool to have an alternate. ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:29, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

JOINING!
hello, i'm Bluedawn. Can I join as an apprentice? And i see no one has done or claimed Softwing's apprentice image, can i claim it as my project and do it?<font color="Blue">Blue <font color="Purple">dawn <font color="#3b8ad4" style="background:none;"> With <font color="#1e6bb3" style="background:none;">Clouds <font color="#015294" style="background:none;">like Shining <font color="#003775" style="background:none;"> eyes... 20:08, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Of course! I'll add you in. See the Guidelines for any questions. Welcome! 20:57, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Trouble Editing
Is anyone else having trouble editing the approval page, tweak page, or nomination page? The editor won't load, so I can't type or reupload at all. I can only edit the discussion. Is it just me and my computer or is everyone having this problem? <font color="white" style="background:green">☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 21:10, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, mine's working, so I think its your computer. 21:24, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have to constantly move my mouse and stay on the page when I'm doing an edit, otherwise it blanks the page (which makes me look like a vandal...) and it's stupid. If you have an older computer that may be it because at school I had immense difficulty getting on. 23:47, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's probably your computer. Works just fine on my laptop. =) 02:16, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Goldenflower
I noticed that Goldenflower has a ginger tabby alternate apprentice charart. Why is this, when she is in fact a ginger tabby? I believe this alt was made before the decision about all ginger chararts being made tabbies. Should it be deleted? 02:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

It probably should, but it said she was mistakenly called a ginger tabby, not a pale ginger tabby, so it might stay. 02:11, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

The difference between pale ginger and just ginger isn't much... I don't think it was a mistake, they were just generalizing. They don't call Firestar a flame-colored tom every time they refer to him. They just call him ginger. Should he have an alt for that? I don't think so. 02:37, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was looking at her page the other day and noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it will end up being removed. It's be like calling Crowfeather gray instead of dark grey, or Squirrelflight ginger instead of dark ginger. It just doesn't make sense to have alts for those kind of things. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I've removed it, since it seems to be redundant. If anyone cares to put it back for some reason, they may. 03:01, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't we put in her description that she was, indeed, described as a tabby though? 03:02, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Firestar's article isn't like that, and he's ginger. 03:06, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

But she was specifically said to have it. It's like Spottedleaf's, having ten thousand synonyms for "pretty" in her description. 03:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? We decided not to put things like "pretty" into descriptions, because those are considered opinions. It's fine how it is, if you ask me. Firestar has stripes, although it's not in his description, because all ginger cats have stripes. 03:11, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nvm, I thought she did (lmao brainfart) Well if no one else agrees with me then I guess don't add it, idk it's so minor anyway. 03:14, October 6, 2011 (UTC)