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Change in main quote for Moonrise
Hi, Shelly here to ask for one thing: that the quote for Moonrise be changed. The current quote certainly is romantic, but all it does is ruin the ending of the book. Quotes four and five from the nomination provided dramatic foreshadowing and showed what the book would be about. All the currently selected quote does is tell us that Feathertail dies, whoop de doo. So, I was told that if I wanted it changed I'd have to propose it here, so there it is. 05:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with you, but it's just my opinion. I voted for quote 2 (I think) because I thought quote 1 because it was too spoilerish. There are better quotes. No offence too the people who voted for that quote. 06:19, 19, 03, 2012

Agreed, it gives away the Prologue and the end of the book, we need a new one. I would prefer either 4 or 5, both are amazing. Raineh Pwns all others  00:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I need to agree. Plus, I don't think that romance should play such a big role in the Warriors series, and it's just a bit too dramatic. I think that the book articles' quotes could be more..."mysterious" instead of dramatic. -- 04:00, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree on it being changed. It's a little too spoilerish. That's why I didn't vote for it. 00:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be changed....I'll ask Skye her opinion, as well~ 00:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Rainly, I'm the one that told Shelly to suggest changing it. That's fine with me. Shelly, which quote would you suggest placing on the article? 09:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about this. Anyway, the quotes I would use are either: "Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight or "We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

Both of these quotes do not contain major spoilers for the end of the book and they are relevant to the entire plot.

In fact, I propose that the main quotes for all of the book articles be re-examined for spoilers and relevance. Romantic quotes are fine and good, but the main quote is located very high above the spoiler tag in book articles.

Sign of the Moon, for instance. The main quote for that article is all fine and good, but there's a better choice: "Maybe we should be like the moon's reflection, holding fast whatever happens?" -Half Moon

That quote contains very little spoilers and is even relevant to the title of the book. The current quote spoils the fact that Jayfeather founds the Tribe of Rushing Water.

These quotes need to be picked out carefully, is what I'm saying. They should be relevant to the main plot, they should ideally be from at least the first half of the book, and if not then at least the first two-thirds, and it shouldn't spoil the end of the book for anyone that glances at the article and hasn't read the book yet. 05:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a complete overhaul of the quotes already on the articles. It would do us some good to be able to really go through and decide what belongs and what doesn't. I'll try and go through a few of them tonight to see what I can find. It's a really good idea.. 20:07, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The book quotes I find fault with are:
 * Into the Wild (the quote would be better suited for a later book when he actually has an inner conflict about whether or not he made the right choice when joining ThunderClan, leaving his twolegs was hardly a problem relevant to Into the Wild)


 * Fire and Ice (that quote has almost nothing to do with the main plot. and only has to do with a single point in the book. It'd be better with Bluestar's quote telling Fireheart and Graystripe to find WindClan)


 * Forest of Secrets (the entire plot didn't revolve around this, and it's yet another quote from late in the book. A quote about Oakheart being killed by a rockfall and not a cat would be most pertinent, I think)


 * Rising Storm (Another quote from close to the end of the book, Runningnose's prophecy would be best in my opinion)


 * A Dangerous Path (I really don't think that Tigerstar's lie foreshadows the plot well. Heck, "Pack pack, kill kill" would be better than that)


 * The Darkest Hour (yet another quote from the end of the book. BloodClan isn't even officially named until late in the book. The quote when Tigerstar strikes his deal with Scourge would be better, imo)


 * Midnight (another quote form the end of the book which spoiler exactly who Midnight is. It'd be better with the prophecy given to Brambleclaw at the beginning)


 * Moonrise (already spoke on that)


 * Dawn (another quote from the end of the book. I think it'd be better off with the Clans making the decision to leave the forest)


 * Twilight (aaaand another quote from the end of the book. Why not Cinderpelt and the other MC's talking about their prophecies predicting the attack?)


 * The Sight (another quote from the end of the book, dang it, and it spoils the prophecy Jaypaw finds. Why not go with the prophecy Firestar remembers in the prologue? Same impact, less spoilers)


 * Outcast (it'd be better off with a quote from when the Tribe cats are asking the Clan cats to come help them)


 * Eclipse (not as bad as the others, but still from late in the book)


 * Long Shadows (major spoilers, from the end of the book. I'd personally prefer to see the moment Blackstar declares that ShadowClan will not be attending gatherings)


 * Sign of the Moon (spoils the fact that Jayfeather founded the tribe, it'd be better with Half Moon's moon sign)

Jeez... I had a harder time finding a quote that I was okay with already in place. Eesh. 20:34, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the other books.


 * Crookedstar's Promise (major, major spoilers)


 * Shattered Peace (from the last pages of the book)

20:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think maybe we should all look over the quotes for each book and see what everyone thinks. Maybe even a vote for which ones to change? 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe instead of putting the spoiler warning where the Summary starts, we could put it at the very top of the page, before the quote. 02:45, 10, 04, 2012

I'm up for moving the spoiler tags. Although, replacing some of the quotes would be a good idea. However, I'm not up for replacing all of the ones Shelly suggested. Those are her own personal preferences, after all.

I agree with Cloudy. Changing all of those quotes are going to take a LOT of time. We still have other books to worry about......I think they should stay the way they are now. 14:10, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

With all honesty, I believe most of those quotes are fine....and, we have other jobs to worry about before getting down to nit-picky details such as this. 14:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with moving the spoiler tag, but I think most of those quotes are fine. Though on The Sight, the original prophecy would be better, it's not a big deal. Other than that I think the others are fine.... (aside from moonrise) 15:16, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm against moving all the spoiler tags to the top of the page, as I think most of those quotes are ok. I think there are three or four that do need changing, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't see the point in moving the spoiler tags because of a couple of easily changed faulty quotes. 08:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Of course some have to be changed, but not all of them Shelly listed, in my opinion. I'm still up with moving the spoiler tag, and Leopard, I respect your decision. 01:54, 16, 04, 2012

Okay, after thinking it over, I do think that some of them should be changed, but, not all of them. It's a matter of going through (as Shelly did, it seems) and finding which ones are in dire need of being replaced, and we can handle the other ones later on.

We probably should start with Moonrise, since that's the book quote that brought this on to begin with, so if anyone wants to throw a few suggestions out there, be my guest.

Ifound a couple:

Be careful Firestar, you may go in peace, but the other Clans might not see it that way ~ Sorreltail, pg 104

Clans won't survive if they can't work together ~ Feathertail, pg 65

And Shelly got these too, don't forget.

"Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight

"We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

I think one of them will work. 08:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should actually just delete the quote(s) on the main page and we can redo the quote nominations. The vote could be titled Forum:Moonrise ~ Quote Nomination 2 or something. Just a thought, so we don't have to go through a whole bunch of quotes in this section. 06:00, 05, 05, 2012

Mmhmm. That's an excellent idea. Leopard, if you want to just re-post that idea as a new topic, be my guest. This is starting to take up a lot of space. XD

I know I'm opening here a can of worms, but I'd have two remarks regarding this discussion: Kind regards, 19:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we need quotes on the book articles? Quotes have some use on character pages, as they might present an important trait of a cat (since character pages don't have a section that present the cat in general and summarize what they did), but I don't know if they have a use on book pages.
 * Do we need spoiler tags on this site? Like, at all? They would have a point if only 10% or 20% of the pages contained spoilers, so they could be distinguished... but since (almost) all do, placing tags on all pages is redundant. We could simply mention this fact on the front page.

Hey, open all the cans of worms you want, Helice. I don't mind one bit. You have every right to speak your mind.
 * The quotes were added as something extra on the articles, and it was something I came up with to try and get a little more activity out of the project, and try and convince some of the newer members to actually help out every once in a while, since most of the project's articles are already silver grade or gold grade levels. A lot of the members seem to like adding the quotes, but if they're not needed, they're not needed.


 * As for the spoiler tags... that's a really good question. I always took it as something an article needed, and never thought much else of it. However, they are becoming a little... obsolete, since half the time, they're not in the right places, or there's already a spoiler //above// the tag. I'm all for removing them from book articles, and placing something on the main page. Most people who come here actually come to read the articles, and don't care much for the tags in the first place. They know the spoilers are going to be there.

Comments, guys?

The removal of a spoiler tag would be nice. And we could just make one giant one that reads "WARNING!!! THERE WILL BE MAJOR SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK." Or something like that. 19:53, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I do quite like the "Read at your own risk" thing...and that might be something we could incorporate, if we can come to an agreement. However, since the tags are used throughout the entire wiki, I think this should be something taken to a forum discussion, so the entire wiki can state their opinions on this.

TLH E-Book
In the enhanced E-book edition of TLH, there are notes made by the Erins about characters like Midnight (I can get a full list). Now, would each one get a page like the essays or would they be included onto TLH's page? Just curious since I came across it today. 22:43, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see why we can't just include it in the trivia section. I don't think we need an entirely new page, since it still has plenty to do with The Last Hope, and technically, it's still part of the book, although enhanced.

That's what I thought, but I wasn't entirely sure. 22:48, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. 05:55, 05, 05, 2012

June FA
Yeah, I know I should wait before starting these things, but, I feel like starting it early this month. Perhaps we could choose a manga or short story this month?

Nah, I agree with you. xD Better be early than late. =P Anyways, I was thinking The Rise of Scourge could be a possible book for the FA. 00:10, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... I don't see a problem with The Rise of Scourge. The plot summary's well written, it's detailed, and everything's been cited, and as far as I know, there aren't any other foreign editions out. I'll take a look around and see if I can find any. That's certainly a good suggestion, Stoneh.

The Rise of Scourge sounds and looks good. 02:24, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

RoS sounds good. :3 (yes, I made up my own abbreviation. 8D) If I have time tomorrow, I'll look around for a few foreign translations. 03:11, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think RoS is good too. I also stand by my past suggestions last month too, but both are great! 06:43, 11, 05, 2012

I think RoS would be a good one. But maybe Warriors Refuge or Shattered Peace?  Berry Gradients, gradients... 08:32, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I like the look of RoS, and Warrior's Refuge too; if it gets a quote. 15:50, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't have to have a quote to be gold rank. That just happens to be something extra. I think Warrior's Refuge would be a good idea too, however, it would be even better if the plot summary was expanded a bit. And if someone can find the cite for the trivia on Shattered Peace, that would be a perfect one.

I think it would be interesting to do a manga since we haven't had one as FA in a while. 20:28, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

As would I, and that's the exact reason I suggested it. However, we don't //have// to do a graphic novel (they're not really manga, imho). Heck, there are tons of articles we could use.

No one's said anything in days, so I just went with The Rise of Scourge.

Moonrise Quotes
So after the discussion ^up there^, here are some quotes for Moonrise.

Be careful Firestar, you may go in peace, but the other Clans might not see it that way ~ Sorreltail, pg 104 Clans won't survive if they can't work together ~ Feathertail, pg 65

''Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars'' -Midnight ''We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water.'' - Crag

=3 15:55, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Number 4<3 21:39, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, numbers 1 or 4 21:48, May 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) 4 8D  01:14, 12, 05, 2012

4 <333 15:39 Sat May 12

I meant number 4 as the Midnight quote o3o. My bad. 20:38, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

2 or 3 :) 01:35, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

CBV?

''Neither prophecy is right. And neither is wrong. Everything depends on how cats interpret the prophecy. And whether the prophecy is fulfilled depends on what they decide to do about it. It is up to us to choose the code we live by. Your faith and your courage will tell you what to do.'' (Talon, p238) 19:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I like Helix's quote better. No offense Leopardclaw but, it represents the book better. 00:01, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Cinder. It just represents the book better. 18:42, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Beautiful quote. Represents Moonrise well. 18:44, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

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The Fourth Apprentice - Quote Nomination
I like numbers five and seven. Comments? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  03:12, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "Neither, I will send it to the third cat." Yellowfang, Page 5
 * 2) " As if we're suddenly going to turn disloyal because we've found out our father is a WindClan warrior! Who'd want to join those scrawny rabbit munchers?" Lionblaze, Page 11
 * 3) "The-the big brown animals, they're making a barrier in the stream, like our thorn barrier across the camp entrance. It's stopping the water from flowing." Dovewing, Page 70
 * 4) "Just find these animals, and come back. Whatever we have to do for the prophecy to come true, I can't do it on my own." Jayfeather, Page 116
 * 5) "The forces of the Dark Forest are rising. I am afraid that it will take a power greater than StarClan to defeat them." Yellowfang, Page 243
 * 6) "Oh, StarClan, am I taking more cats into a battle from which they'll never return?" Dovewing, Page 257
 * 7) "The drought is over. The Clans will survive!" Dovewing, Page 294

I certainly agree with you about five and seven, but I feel as if the book is more dedicated to the drought and the journey to find the beavers, so I'm going with seven. 03:23, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I like the idea of 3 and 5. Three shows the main problem in the story, 5 foreshadows the rest of the series. I find it that 7 sort of spoils the entire book to people who haven't read it yet.-- 11:54, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really like the foreshadowing in 5, and I think 2 is a huge spoiler, but I like 3. 13:42, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I like 3. 18:13, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

5, is my my favourite. 08:38, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I like 7 too but, it kinda seems spoiler-ish...in a way. 00:05, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

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