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SkyClan and ShadowClan
You know how some cats have the Clan abbreviation after the names of their pages because there are different cats with the same name? Like Ashfur (TC) and Ashfur (SC)? Well, since ShadowClan's and SkyClan's names begin with the same letter, I suggest that the abbreviation for SkyClan be (SkC). Using the Robinwings as an example:

Robinwing (TC)

Robinwing (WC)

Robinwing (SkC)

Robinwing (RC)

Get it? I hope so XD Raven flight 92 22:49, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that works. Anyone oppose of this?-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 22:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The reason only some of the pages have (SkC) or (ShC) is because only one or two names have cats in both Clans, such as Oakpaw. For others like Robinwing, there's no need to add an extra letter. It would add some clarification, so it's not a bad idea. It would throw me out of whack when linking for a while but if you guys think it's worth it then it's cool :)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should use the 'SkC' or 'SkC' for now, since there is no Robinwing in ShadowClan or any other cats with the same name in shadowclan or skyclan. -- Icestorm Peace 14:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree Ice. I think that a generic system would be better as it avoids any confusion over whether 'SC' means 'ShadowClan' or 'SkyClan' for any individual cat - at the moment you need to actually go and look at the page and see which it is. I think a system that can be used for all cats no matter whether there is both a ShadowClan and SkyClan cat with that name or not would be better, with 'SkC' meaning SkyClan and 'SC' being used only for ShadowClan cats. (or 'ShC' if it's preferable; I just have in my head the abbreviations I've always used) ✐Sa  NdY  18:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me, Sandy. I doubt we need the (ShC) because ShadowClan is more common and thus people will assume it when they see (SC). For SkyClan, which is less common, we can make the extra distinguishing factor.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Do people think we should make the change, or keep it as is?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Change it, in my opinion. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:04, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Overview
Especially for major characters, we should have an "Overview" section describing the major milestones and actions in about 10-20 paragraphs, so users unfamiliar with the character could readily see who it was and what did it do (instead of browsing through lengthy History sections listing all events without focusing on their importance). Helixtalk 09:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, all information is necessary for it, and I liked the history layout when I was new to Warriors. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   00:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not suggest removing the History section; only adding a section that summarizes it. Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense, but my only objection to it is that if a user is 'unfamiliar with the cat' they probably don't want major spoilers of everything that cat did in the course of the whole series... by sorting it by book it allows people to avoid the sections of books they haven't read and minimize spoilers for everyone while still offering comprehensive information.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a valid concern... Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

What if we put it after the history, and divide it into the Series? For example, here's how the wikicode would look. ===Overview===

In the Original Series
(overview of what the did in the Original series, if applicable)

In the New Prophecy Series
(overview of what they did in the New Prophecy, if applicable)

Would that work? → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Played around a bit, check here. The spoilered section is auto-hidden, click on Show (next to the description). However, I guess it'd overcomplicate things, and I see that not many users are interested in the feature, so we can leave it as it is for now. Helixtalk 12:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

That hidden section actually looks pretty nice. My only concern which does not directly affect this idea's implementation, is that we might have to discuss page layout... for major characters like Firestar the pages have a lot going on and it's less organized that I'd like it to be. But of course that separate issue doesn't have to do with this... ah I tend to ramble a lot XD  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, are we implementing this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  14:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I think it might be good for a few pages, but I want to get other people's input too. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Mates
I think this was briefly discussed, but overlookd. In my opinion, the article Mates should be locked so that unregistered contributers can't edit it, only warriors wiki members can. (If that's possible) I know that there are unregistered contributers who mean no harm, and some can even be quite helpful. But that page is this enormous bullseye for a vandal, if you know what I mean. What do you guys think?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 07:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, there was a discussion about this on PW talk, I think, but it's gone now, I guess it got archived due to lack of discussion.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

So what's your opinion about it?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 02:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea - it was me in the first place who suggested it, but it was dropped / forgotten somehow. Helixtalk 17:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

family trees
I had a little time and played a bit with the family trees... check Firestar's Tree. If you don't like it, look for the revert link. Kind regards, Helixtalk 12:14, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Whoa, that looks nice :) It must have taken a lot of work to get it that way. Does anyone have concerns with it?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

That looks awesome, helix! ^-^  Kit ties Rule da WORLD! Mumble sees a kitty!!! 23:31, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Pretty nice! I used to do random family trees that were very similar to that on microsoft word :)  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 01:36, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I also made Bluestar's Tree. I guess I can do one or two per day... will be completed eventually. :) Helixtalk 16:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

It depends on how long you take to to do the remaining 5-6 trees Helix. I did the rest. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:02, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

What should I do with large trees like this ? Should I drop some boxes, or leave as it is? Helixtalk 17:33, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I took care of Ferncloud's, but it has the same issue as Adderfang's. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 21:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say leave in all the family members, but put it into a table with a scrollbar. (I don't recall the code off the top of my head but the list of silver articles on the project page is a scroll table, and I'm sure there's a way to make it horizontal rather than vertical) insane  brick'd 00:35, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I did all the ones left, except the P3 kits, Speckletail, and Thistleclaw ones (there might be one or two more). I also added a key, and a scroll box to the big trees.

Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  11:58, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Great! :) A small remark - we don't need a vertical scrollbar. I modified the scrollbox code to accept a "height" parameter, so you can add |height=100% to those trees. About the width... that is tricky, because it takes the tree width as a reference, not the page width. So if you put width=60%, on some screens it will be OK, on some it will be too narrow, on some it will exceed the area. I will do some experimenting, maybe I can force it to refer to the page width. Maybe by putting the thing in invisible tables, or such. Helixtalk 13:09, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Firestar
Hey everyone. I'm going to cite some of Firestar's stuff but I need book and page numbers. I could look them up, but my sister stole the books and I can't find it. I need one for Firestar's eye color (Somewhere in Into the Wild, probably), and one for proof that Tigerstar and Lionheart mentored him (Fire and Ice, maybe Into the Wild I don't know). Thanks Quailflight  12:39, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I need citations that Firestar's and Graystripe's mentor was Tigerstar, as they are missing in numerous articles.-- Quailflight 12:56, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

I think this might get more response if posted on his talk page? insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cinderpelt - Gold Nomination
If I'm doing this wrong take it down but I've been expanding TNP sections and she had the Feature Article....just a long time ago. Does this still stand, or do we have to wait for her to be featured again? Again if I do this wrong take it down. -- Quailflight 09:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

She actually looks great :) Nice amount of history for each book. But, does anyone see any areas in which she is lacking that I missed? I just want to make sure because Gold nominations are a pretty big thing ;) insane  brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe - Silver Nomination
I'm surprised he's not already gold. :) I don't own many of the books so I may need help with the improvements.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

For such a major character, he has awfully short history for several sections, particularly some of the original series ones. Those definitely need fleshing out and he could probably use a general look over if someone has time. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Temporary Deputies
Should temporary deputies like Adderfang and Hawkfrost have the position part in their charcat? I mean, they weren't technically deputy, but they still were one. Would we have them preceed/succeed on the their preceeding and succeeding deputies' pages or keep them the way they are? -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 20:52, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say yes, add them as that position. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Can I join?
Can I join? I love help edit any characters and I love to try to help Warriors Wiki as much as I can! Riverpelt Heart of Amber 21:19, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, I will add you in :) insane  brick'd 21:22, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article - June '10
Hey, it's that time again~ So, who should we feature this month? I'm open to any suggestions. insane brick'd 21:30, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wow,That was quick.It feels like May 1st : |.The article:I'll look around.... S n i c k e r s  8 Days! 22:12, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Tawnypelt?She's silver... S n i c k e r s  8 Days! 22:16, May 21, 2010 (UTC)