Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Finpaw and Sandynose
We tweaked everything to match, didn't we (Sparkpelt, Jake, etc.)? In that case would Finpaw apply? Wasn't he described to look exactly like his father? Would he need tabby stripes to look identical to his father, in that case?

Twigbranch is said to be identical to Hawkwing, but it was decided she wasn't going to be given stripes. Idk if it's the same case w Fin and Sandy. 05:09, 6/09/2018

The difference here is that he was never explicitly described as a tabby, so the most we can do for now is give him identical coloring. If he's mentioned as a tabby, then he'd get the same stripes as his dad.

Alright, but what about Spottedpelt? Since she was described as resembling Spottedleaf her white chest was kept despite her not being described as having one. Isn't this the exact same situation?

pretty sure it was owing to the "striking resemblance", basically saying she looks extremely hauntingly similar. imo if it's deemed not needed, it should jut be deliuted to an off white, likes been done with other torties. as for fin and sandy, the same colours should apply, and perhaps the ginger legs stripes should be the same too, at the very least? fin wouldn't have to be a tabby and they'd match in everything except body stripes. 19:00, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. Though speaking of Spottedpelt I'd like to bring up Gorseclaw (TC), who doesn't seem to match Tigerstar in terms of colors or stripes even though he is said to look strikingly similar to him, just like Spottedpelt. For Finpaw if I remember the artist matched the colors from Sandynose but I'm not sure

yeah I couldprobably agree with that. it would't have to be identical but it probably should be the same colour and stripe style. 00:53, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for posting again, but I want to bring attention to Raggedstar and Hal, which Broken brought up on the approval page. The cite says they look exactly the same, yet their stripe style, colors and pelt length don't hold true to that (unless I'm blind or missing something). I think one should be tweaked/redone to reflect that, because in the end it's a book cite. What are your thoughts on this?

You're not blind^^ Hal's stripes are different than Raggedstar's, like on the head, and overall. It's hard to say about their color, but if it needs to be redone for matching stripes etc. Then I'm fine with that, just a little hesitant about changing the pelt length. 13:57, 6/11/2018

Well we were going by "If they look exactly the same, tweak them to match" so Hal would call for a tweak, at least to make his colors and stripes match Raggedstar's. Pelt length, not sure. I don't remember if he was listed with a speific pelt length.

I don't think Finleap would need tabby stripes, as I don't recall him ever being mentioned with stripes (such as what we did for Hawkwing and Twigbranch) 19:47, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Finpaw does not get tabby stripes due to him not being called a tabby. The only part of him that might get tabby stripes are his legs... but other than that? No stripes, and we should be following the same rule as Hawkwing/Twigbranch.

I agree with Skye^^ I don't think a cat's pelt length needs to match if they have look alike cites, personally, but if we do end up changing that gonna throw in that it also affects Honey Pelt

I guess we can all agree that Finpaw/Twigpaw shouldn't get tabby stripes. If this is the case, can I have more input on Spottedpelt for a consensus? She was described to look similar to Spottedleaf but she has a white chest despite not being cited with it (I think striking resemblance =/= identical, imo). And regarding Honey Pelt, he is said to "just look like" his father I believe, so I think his pelt length won't need to be changed because it doesn't mean "identical". Personally I believe that if two cats are said to be identical, this would include pelt length as well. If one cat is short haired while the other is long haired would they still be called "exactly the same"?

I'd imagine if she wasn't described with a white chest, she wouldn't get one, since this is basically the same thing as Finpaw's stripe case. I do agree with what you said, if two cats are said to be identical, they'd look the same, even pelt length, and also gonna agree with Honey Pelt's pelt length not being changed. 13:55, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Gonna be the unpopular one here, but I feel due to Spottedpelt's striking resemblance to Spottedleaf, who is cited with white, we should make an exception and keep the white for this instance. While we don't typically do that, I feel that they were trying to make a point that Spottedpelt and Spottedleaf are almost exactly the same. I also don't think pelt length should be tweaked to match unless one of them has a cited pelt length (whichever one does would mean the opposite gets tweaked, I'd say). Other than that, you can have cats that look alike, but still have shorter fur than one another.

Well if that is the case, would you agree that the same standards should apply to Gorseclaw and Finpaw (meaning, he would have Tigerstar's stripe style, pale parts etc. Of course Gorseclaw wasn't cited with mackerel stripes, but if you agree that Spottedpelt should get a white chest then this should also be the case, because it's what makes them exactly the same. And according to Finleap's trivia, he looks exactly like his father, which seems to imply that they look the same, not just similar. So I believe that this is the same case, unless of course the trivia isn't what the book really said)? And of course if they're just similar, pelt length can be varied. I'm trying to argue that if they're exactly the same (identical), then their pelt lengths should be the same. If one is short furred and the other isn't, can you call them identical?

And I'd like to add that Hawkwing and Twigpaw are just said to look a lot like each other, not identical. So I agree that Twigpaw shouldn't get stripes. However, Finleap is said to look exactly the same as his father, which seems to derive into "identical". If we end up keeping Spottedpelt's white chest, this should be the same case too.

Anymore input on this?

I agree with all of the statements above! They should match, but Finpaw shouldn't be a tabby unless stated otherwise. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 21:54, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

I dunno... I'm still unconvinced that Finpaw shouldn't be a tabby. It'd be sort of a double standard if we kept Spottedpelt's white but didn't give Finpaw stripes, because Finpaw is described to look "exactly the same" as his dad, which should imply "identical".

I'm not entirely opposed to having him with some stripes. His manga appearance in Hawkwing's Journey has got some slight stripes on him - matching ones with his father. Yes yes, I'm aware we don't cite manga images. But, with confirmation that he does indeed look like his father, combined with his portrayal with his father's style stripes, it wouldn't be inaccurate to add said stripes to his images. 00:40, August 21, 2018 (UTC)

^I would argue against adding some stripes to Finpaw. 01:56, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Dovewing
Per discussion on PC, it is a possibility that Dovewing's description may be changed to "blue or green" eyes. If that is the case, what shall we do with Dovewing's charart? Do we keep her eyes blue? I am not in favor of changing one eye to blue or one eye to green. I feel as if it should still be kept blue, as that is how it always was. 04:47, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

You could find a way to work with the pixels so that it's a blend of blue & green maybe? Something kinda like this. Not the best example but there could be a way to blend the colours and make them appear to face into one another in her chararts. --Echo (Talk) 05:09, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

We had the same problem with another cat, Falling Feather, in the German wiki, since she is once described with blue and once with green eyes. We made her character art have bluish-green eyes so it fits both, and listed in the trivia that here eye color can not be listed above in the description because it's not clear which is the "right" one. 08:53, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

maybe a toggle? one blue eyed image, one green eyed image that can be called dovewing.alt.png or something, and that can be uploded as the current rank she is with green eyes, rather than having an entire set of alts just for green eyes. so rn it would be a green eyed queen, and when she becomes a warrior again, upload a green eyed warrior under that file name. probably wouldn't be able to go ito the gallery though. 08:58, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

The issue is she will be described with 'blue or green' eyes. So having her with just green eyes would be an issue with the description. I do like Echo and Mew's idea, though. 23:46, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

I'm liking Echo and Mew's take on it, and it looks very pretty as well :) 23:47, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Echo and Mew as well. No one can complain then lol 23:56, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

My idea is that we could blank out the color of her eyes until we figure out what color they truly are. I do like Echo and Mew's ideas and will not argue if we go in that direction.

00:46, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

I'm all for Echo and Mew's idea. ^^ 01:18, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

Echo's idea is good, but we could also have her have a blue/green heterochromia? idk, some people might not get that we are blending blue and green and just say we put the wrong color.

Is that not the same thing? 03:03, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, heterochromia can be defined in a lot of ways. Here are some examples - they can either be two completely different colours or colours mixed in one eye. This cat even has brown/green and blu ein both eyes. --Echo (Talk) 04:08, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

I don't agree with blending it. It doesn't really make sense given that we only have reference that her eyes are a single color. I'm for having a toggle and agree with Skt.

I say we should just make a toggle between two images - one with blue eyes and the other with green eyes. 17:17, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

Official Art
Apologies if the discussion has already been made in the past, but I really believe that we should account for the official art in this project. I mean, the official art was made for a reason. It's the publisher/artist's depiction of the character (and it's technically part of the book, so it should have some sort of canonicity). If the art is inconsistent with the book descriptions I think it should warrant an alt.

Thoughts? I was originally going to post this under the PC discussion but I found that it was more related to PCA.

Ive actually always wondered why we don't do alts for characters shown differently from their written descriptions. Especially when some of them are portrayed incorrectly consistently (Firestar being shown as solid most times despite being confirmed as a tabby especially). 18:51 Fri Aug 17

Wasn't there an alt for Bluestar based on her BP art at some point? Or am I just misremembering things?

Anyways, I do agree that the official art should be accounted for in PCA. However, things could get a little messy on deciding which characters to tweak/redo and which characters to give alts to. So, honestly, I think we should make alts for all characters that have official art, unless the official art and the pixels are similar enough. If anyone wants to expand on my idea or point out its flaws, feel free to. 00:32, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Branch^^ The German wiki does that as well - makes alts for how characters appear in official artwork. After all, it is officially released material, just like the books. 19:26, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

I think Branch's idea is plausible. It doesn't make sense to completely ignore the official artwork as if it weren't there. I think it should apply to book covers as well.

Just being hypothetical here, but why not keep the art we have and replace it with the official art as charart? 12:19, August 19, 2018 (UTC)

At one point we made alts for official art. If we want to do that again I don't believe we actually deleted the images? We can use put them back in the page, probably with a toggle. 16:30 Mon Aug 20 2018

The main problem with outright replacing charart with official art is that most of the official art doesn't accurately reflect book descriptions. I think we should make a toggle, as Raelic suggested.

Honestly a toggle for the charart/written descriptions and the official art is probably the best idea. Especially for characters who are very constantly showned in a way that differs from in-book descriptions. 14:25 Tue Aug 21

So then what would the toggle for the main image be? I imagine the alt would be "according to official artwork," but what about the other? 16:09, August 22, 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the main would be the in-book/written descriptions like it already is. 17:27 Wed Aug 22

Webkit, Mistlekit, Hatchkit and Emberkit star images?
Shouldn't there be a StarClan image made for Webkit, Mistlekit, Hatchkit and Emberkit (from SkyClan)?

Clover Shadow (talk) 06:00, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

I thought the same a while back, however Cloud informed me that there shouldn't be because its unknown whether they died as kits or adults. Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 12:49, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Mink's correct. We don't know if they died as kits or if they were full grown. 01:56, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Tunnlers and Moor Runners Blanks?
Is this where I put this? I've been wondering should tunnlers and moor runners get their own category and blanks? I've seen healers, hunters, etc, get their own blank. Sorry if this is in the wrong one! Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:26, September 2, 2018 (UTC)

I always thought tunnellers should get a blank but moor runners no, since they're just the typical windclan warrior under a different name. 08:32, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

I agree that tunnlers should get their own blank, they did their own thing and where different enough that WindClan was almost 2 seperate clans Malina457 (talk) 22:22, September 5, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I agrey with the moor runner thing, if we gove standered Windclan warriors there own blanks, than it would be like giveing each clan a blank! but tunelers shuold get blanks, they are not standerd warriors, same if all the clans have a rank like that, but what about the erly settelers who acted as tunelers, but didnt get the name, are they still tunelers? Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 00:49, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Moor runners are like normal warriors, but tunnelers are different enough to get their own blanks. In response to Owlbite's question, the Early Settlers who acted like tunnelers wouldn't be considered tunnelers because they didn't get the name, I believe. Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 12:09, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

I think there were a few Early Settlers that did receive the title of tunneler, actually, so they'd get it and those who were never named wouldn't. Besides that though, I do agree that they could get a blank. 12:27, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

I've always thought tunnelers should have their own blanks, so I'm not gonna argue if we decide on doing that. I agree that moor runners don't need their own blank since they're pretty much your average warrior, just referred to with a different name. 20:09, September 6, 2018 (UTC)

I don't think either need blanks. They were both very specifically described as warriors of WindClan in Tallstar's Revenge and Battles of the CLans. It's not a rank its a specialty. 14:51 Sat Sep 8 2018

Join request
I would like to join Project Character Art. Let me know if I need an audition or something. I have a drawing tablet and use Krita. While I usually do solid cell shading I have done soft shading in the past. 16:50, September 11, 2018 (UTC)