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Queen Blanks
These have been bothering me for quite some time, and I would like to suggest a redo of them. While they accurately represent the belly of a pregnant cat, the rest of the anatomy on these has several faults, mainly on the front legs, chest, neck, and head. The back legs are also slightly off. Something more like this or this would better represent a pregnant cat. 04:49, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ugh yes, they've been bothering me for ages. x.x I dunno whether a simple tweak or redo would be better, but I think they should definitely be fixed.

Sure, why not? The anatomy is definitely off. A tweak would be preferable in my opinion, as it would save time, but if it cannot be salvaged then I guess a total redo would be in order. 05:43, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I demand that all queen images be replaced with this. 05:46, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

omg yes

The queen blanks have been irking me for ages...from the off-ness (what is good wording) of the shoulder and chest areas to the long-hair's underbite, they need to be fixed. 06:26 Tue Apr 9

I suggested a tweak of the queen blanks a long time ago and it was shot down, I don't know why you guys are changing your minds now. If we're tweaking blanks, then why don't you tweak the warrior and deputy blanks as well? A tail is an extension of the spine and don't shoot straight out of their bums like an arrow, and the longhaired tails on those look odd. You can't do one thing on one blanks and not another 06:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Likely when you first proposed it there were different people in the project, Ivy. It's nothing against you that it's being proposed again now. And I believe we should take the blanks one step at a time...unless a forum should be made with all the blanks on it and we could just have people go through and comment on all of them with their critiques for, say, two weeks? Then artists could be found and the images tweaked from there. I suppose we might as well go all out while we're at it.

Anyway, back to the queen blanks, I don't think that it's worth it to tweak them, and would probably save time by redoing them because of how many queen images there are in the first place. Unless the person that did the image had the file, tweaking all those patterns to fit into the new lineart would be difficult and time consuming. But I supposed we could always vote on it and the artist like we always do. 13:55, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

I have no issues with the queen blanks being redone. They're off on so many levels, and a butt to shade. ._. Shelly's idea is amazing let's go with that.

I have nothing against redoing the queen blanks; though I'm no anatomy expert either. Agrees with Cloudeh ^^ They are a butt to shade... >.<  02:48, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for redoing the blanks if they're off. 23:15, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

I have nothing against redoing them, if they're off then they should be fixed. 22:28, 04/14/2013

Agreed with what everyone else said;if they need fixing, go redo them. Bb un   legs  22:30, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still not convinced, but as per the norm, the majority is against me. Do whatever you want, but please still make sure that the artist is up for vote and we have an option for no change, because I really don't see what's wrong with them. 16:52, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Of course, Ivy. If we did it any other way, it wouldn't be fair to you, and possibly others, who do not want to see anything happen to the blanks. It's the only right way to do it, and the voting will go like the rogue, loner, and /adult/ StarClan blanks. It's really the only way to ensure that everyone gets their say.

I'm agreeing with Ivy here, they have a few issues, yes, but I don't see what's so bad about them that they *need* to be redone. 17:27, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Icy, we can always do what we did with the rogue blanks, and have a section for someone to tweak the blank, and see how people vote. It doesn't need to be redone if that's what the people vote on.

Since there have been no objections to editing the blanks at all, may I go ahead and set up a vote? The option is always there to just tweak or leave the blanks, like always. x3 20:44, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Strike that. Yes there have been. Sorry. ^^; But still, shall we set up the forum? 20:54, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

I say a tweak/redo, whatever it may be, would be a great idea, considering the current anatomy of the blank. I've noticed the discussion hasn't been touched on since the 17th so I figured I'd comment heheh. 21:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

So what's going on with this? I hate to ask again, but shall we set up a forum for an artist vote, or do we want to first vote on whether we want to do anything with the blanks in the first place? 04:27, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Set up a forum vote, with an option to leave the blanks as they are. If enough agree to leave the queen blanks as they are, then so be it, and stay they will. It's how we've done it in the past, I believe.

I'm all for setting it up as long as there's an option to leave them unchanged :)  01:41, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Dark Forest Blanks?
I've been wondering this since the StarClan blanks have been approved. Are we going to make Dark Forest blanks? It would probably be best just to like change the eyes and mouth to be more aggressive, but I don't know. It would be cool though~ plus I wanna do Tigerstar's image ouo -- Echo Harkness   "I was just saying hello!" 01:19, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

This has come up multiple times and I believe we decided that the Dark Forest cats are rouges and have ranks, unlike StarClan. So no, they wouldn't get a blank of their own. 02:28, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Agreeing with Breezy. The StarClan blanks aren't necessarily just for them, it just shows they are of no rank. o3o 15:44, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention there isn't very many of them to begin with. 21:07, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

But, anyways, does the rogue blank show any rank? Though I may not have had the experience of seeing this suggestion pop up, if we can just assume that the rogue blanks resemble different ranks though they have the same image, why can't we do the same to new dark forest blanks? Besides, I bet many inexperienced users have gotten confused before by seeing a character like Redwillow with the same blank as an alive cat like Sasha. It happened to me when I joined the wiki this recent February. No, I'm not just saying this because I want to create more chararts, I just think we should distinguish the dead from alive to avoid confusing or misleading readers. 02:48, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Spottedleaf described the cats as "rogues within their own Clans," so we're going off of that. Before the StarClan blanks, there wasn't any charart to distinguish between alive and dead cats, so I don't see a reason to distinguish between them now. The main reason StarClan got their own blanks was because it had been stated multiple times that there are no positions or ranks in StarClan. But in the Dark Forest, they still have a chain of command, but they are not warriors or Clan cats anymore. 03:46, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Tweak Nomination Voting - Warriors?
Hi, all! Because it seems as though the discussion was archived without a conclusion despite a relatively clear consensus, I'm bringing it up again. I propose that warriors should be able to vote on tweaks and the number of votes needing to pass should be raised to five. 21:09, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please. I agree with this, and always have. A good portion of the warriors are skilled and knowledgeable enough to be able to vote properly on nominations, and with raising the vote requirement to five instead of three, things could be a little better. If this does go into effect, those currently on the page would not be affected by this change, however. That's not fair. I actually closed the nominations because of the massive amount of things on that page...so perhaps we can open that up again after everything's settled?

I agree with this, not because I'm a warrior, but because it might speed things up a bit and benefit the project. Right now only about five of the SWs consistently vote on the nominations, and with some active warriors thrown in it would make nominations sit on the page for smaller amounts of time than they currently are. x3 22:07, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Duck. Like, we've got tons more warriors, and they have experience. They've the judgement to tell if an image is fine or not. It'd speed thing up ''a lot. '' Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 22:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ya definitely. It'll hopefully speed up the nominations too xD 23:30, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I agree also, ya'll took the words right out of my mouth. 23:51, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I totally agree. Besides, those guys are also the ones tweaking the images along with SW's. They should have a say in what they have the ability to tweak. 00:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

That's exactly what I think, Leggy. I definitely agree~  00:46, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree 01:15, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with what all the others have said. After all, it would make since for the people who also tweak with the seniors to have the ability to vote. Bb un   legs  01:39, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with this idea, but if I remember correctly, last time this was discussed it went all the way to a vote...only for it to be suddenly decided that there needed to be more qualifications for a warrior to vote - the main one being that they'd done at least a tweak or two. I feel it should be asked if we'd still want any qualifications other than being a warrior, just so we don't go so far and change our minds again. 04:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think that the warrior should have some sort of experience in tweaking before they can vote? That way, they should have some knowledge of what will happen to this image with the tweak, and perhaps understand what else needs to happen to the image. So, like a requirement of two tweaks and one redo, or something of that manner? I am with this idea; however I think adding some requirements to it will give me a little more of the peace of mind I have with SW's voting. 17:48, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Restated what was above, sorry. 17:51, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

I think raising the voting to five would be enough to check each others' opinions, plus keeping track of all the warriors who have done tweaks and redos seems something of a nuisance. 17:56, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with 'teldy on the requirements, imo it would be an unneeded nuisance, besides that, in order to become a warrior you need three originals, so I think that that's requirement enough. 23:01, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Joining request
Just asking if I can join PCA.Emberpoppy7 (talk) 19:59, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing :) Please read the Guidelines before doing anything else, and refer to the tutorials if needed. The mentor program is also open if you'd like to request for a mentor. Thank you for your interest in joining! 03:47 Sat Apr 27

Dark Forest VS Rogues
Hello! I just wanted to ask if there could be made seperate blanks for Dark Forest cats. I know they seem like rogues, but I think it might be nice to be able to see if they are dead or not. I just started thinking about when StarClan blanks were made. I guess it's like if a new user looks at two different rogue blanks and tries to guess which one is a Dark Forest cat. It could be simmilar in eye shape and body shape to a leader, but maybe with narrowed eyes and an open mouth, and one paw lifted. So maybe if your not doing anything, or you need a new project, you could try this? Just an idea, thanks. ~Raven 21:18, April 29, 2013 (UTC)

We've had this idea proposed before, but rejected. I know it seems like a good idea, but the StarClan blanks aren't really a Clan blank - it's just showing that there are no ranks where they are. (no rogues, no loners, no ThunderClan, etc.) But the Dark Forest cats have been classified (in the books, I believe) as rogues, and I believe we have agreed they will stay that way, unless something else is mentioned in the series. Thank you for the idea, though! (:  01:24, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Kit Image for Primrosepaw?
We know that Primrosepaw was littermates with Reedwhisker and Perchkit, both of which got kit images. Shouldn't she get a kit image, since they were all kits at the same time (same with Pikepaw, if he/she is ever given a gender). If they were her brothers from another litter or if it was unknown if they were from the same litter, I wouldn't bring this up, but since we do know they are from the same litter, I believe she should get a kit image as well. 17:06, May 1, 2013 (UTC)