Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Nine lives box?
I just had this idea. Since the information for nine lives is at the bottom, how about we move it up so people will see it more often? It could become part of the character boxes for leaders, if that's possible. I don't know anything about box coding so I could be speaking nonsense. XD Still, I think it'll be a great idea.

That's honestly not necessary. If people want to look for it, they can look for it, it's there it's on their page. It's not like it's invisible. Even though it is hard to spot, no one will over look it if they're specifically looking for that 21:42, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's good enough where it is. 04:20, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

I actually disagree, and I think it's a very good idea to try and implement. If the nine lives are so important to the Warriors series (it's what defines a leader, and cats don't always accept their leader without nine lives), then it probably shouldn't just be tossed down on the bottom of the page like that. If possible, we can always add it in a drop-down or something like that on the character template. Seriously, it's a vital part of a leader's time in their Clan, and should be treated with a bit more importance.

I agree that it's fine already and there's no need to change it. 03:12, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I think Jayce has a point here. Way back when I was just an Anon browsing pages, ( nearly four years ago now...geez ) I had no idea the Nine Lives box was there until I discovered it totally by accident at the bottom. A dropdown box bellow...I don't know, maybe book mentions? On leader's charcats with an overview of their nine lives isn't a bad idea, and it wouldn't be too hard to add in. It is a vital part of their time as a leader, so it should be a little more noticeable on the page. 14:54 Tue Dec 22

Exactly, Berry. It doesn't have to be a dropdown, but.. it should be somewhere else on the page. It's hardly considered important if it's just thrown down on the bottom of the page.

Hmm, maybe there is a point. It seemed to be originally belong to the ceremony section but it's drifted to quotes. I think the box could have like it's own tab that says "Nine Lives" at least. It's too hidden. 00:20, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

Yes but it would make a lot of clutter on the charcat template and honestly, if users are looking for that and can't bother to control f / search down until they find it that's their own problem. 19:00, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's kinda rude, Icy. It doesn't matter if it seems like it's "cluttered". It's a vital part of a leader's article, and if the nine lives thing wasn't important, then it wouldn't exist or be featured and taken into account as much as it is. Hell, leaders aren't considered leaders most of the time unless they have those lines. So, why should it just be tossed onto the bottom of the page?

No, it's not rude. We can't put everything on the front of the page just so it's easier for people to read. As I said it will be cluttered and we can't put it on the template - it just makes the page look really stuffy. I'm sorry but I do not see the need to put it anywhere else. There's no place to put it. 03:03, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

If not in the charcat template, why not do it as a subsection of trivia, or even its own section in or around that location? 05:07, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Night (Ro)
Just gonna get straight to the point. Shouldn't Night be renamed to Night (ES)? She isn't exactly a rogue anymore. 21:53, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. I was going to bring this up before then suddenly forgot. XD 22:07, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

If she's now an Early settler rather than a rogue, then I'd say it should be renamed. --3.141592654A (talk) 06:58, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Done. She's not a rogue, so there's no need for further discussion. 07:39, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

As I said before, and I was very much ignored, it seems... a couple people is not a proper discussion. A page cannot and should not be moved whenever a new book is released. It should be their first appearance. Otherwise, so many of these "FQ" characters would need to be renamed to SD, SAS (SkyClan and the Stranger), ect. Or even OS characters would need to be renamed if they appeared later. Seriously, this excessive page renaming needs to stop, especially when the administrators are not told. It's not always "oh a new book came out time to rename pages". Honestly, have a proper discussion before renaming pages. I have reverted Night's page until more people comment; and tbh, I think her page name is fine. Her initial appearance was her as a rogue, and that's perfectly acceptable to have that as a page name.

This instance is not about book appearances though, this is about a cat's identity. In this case, Night is no longer identified as a rogue, I think it should be renamed. --3.141592654A (talk) 10:11, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I'd certainly say the page name is FINE, but considering that she is not a rogue, it could mislead certain users thinking she is a rogue, not an early settler. I'd agree with π on this one- I'm sorry, SnowedLightning, it's just that I don't think it'd be very accurate if we left it has a rogue, even if page naming is excessive. By that logic, Firestar could be named Firestar (KP) even though he isn't a kitty pet. .incandescentflame (talk) 10:47, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

...well, unless we have another cat named Firestar, and I doubt we ever will because of his status as one of the main characters of the series, then we don't need to call him Firestar (KP). He'd be Firestar (PB), or something like that. In all honesty, I think it should stay as rogue. We use first appearances for other important issues, so why not here as well? 11:01 Thu Dec 31

She's not a rogue though. She's an early settler. To name her article with a (ro) would be kind of implying that she is one now, which is false.

@incandescentflame, no that wouldn't work, as he didn't go by "Firestar" when he was a kittypet, he went by Rusty. So the only name that would work for that is "Rusty (KP)", "Rusty (BP)", "Rusty (ITW)", or "Rusty (OS/OA)" (not using OS/OA as the page name; it would be one or the other). It's not implying she's a rogue now- it's showing what identified her when her respective first book was released. Honestly, the amount of excessive page renaming is getting way out of hand. First appearances should be just as justified.

That might not work, but that isn't the point of my argument- it would mislead users. Firestar was just an example. If Night is named a rogue, then no doubt it would mislead users into thinking that she IS one, and consequently, it would most definitely imply what she is in the present, not the past. I still disagree to leaving it as it is- also, I'm sure that renaming pages should correspond with what is needed- EVEN if it is excessive. Also, Berry, again, it doesn't matter if Firestar wouldn't work- it was just an example. There was no need to pick on it like that. .incandescentflame (talk) 12:02, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's not misleading at all? A quick check of the article, charart, and citations would clearly show that Night is her name both as a rogue and early settler. I fail to see exactly why a page name would be necessary; it's not like she changed her name or anything. She's still known as Night, and there isn't anything that could even remotely come off as confusing. I could see if she changed her name to... like... Night Shade (lmao) or something along those lines, and we misrepresented her as Night, but since the names are the same, it really doesn't matter what her page is called. These other pages, like Tom and Clover, were renamed without a proper discussion. Just because users have the ability to rename pages, doesn't mean they should without consensus.

If a quick check would say everything, then why have this wikia at all? This is a rank, and not a book appearance. To be quite frank, the Night known as a rogue and the Night known as a ES are quite different cats, with different responsibilities, life styles, and etc. I don't quite understand why there is such a huge argument over this merely because page name changing is excessive- she isn't a rogue right now, she is a ES, and renaming the article respects that. .incandescentflame (talk) 12:31, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

regardless of this, it should really be agreed upon first, to make sure everyones ok with it. and one or two users isnt an agreement, while anyone opposed to it for whatever reason gets a chance to expkain why. 12:35, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think her current page name is misleading, because she was a rogue in her first appearance, and Night was still her name as both a rogue and early settler. It would make more sense to base it on first appearance otherwise we'd just have to be constantly renaming pages to keep up with new releases, which would be extremely unnecessary. Naming her as Night (Ro) would not be incorrect in any way based on her past appearances, therefore I think the page name should stay. 17:12, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

While I do think that there definitely should have been more of a discussion and an admin should have been informed before the page was renamed, I personally think that she should be renamed to ES, because she's not a rogue anymore. Also, since there are lots of articles beginning with 'night', if someone searches "Night" she doesn't come up, and if they were to search 'Night (Es)' and there was no redirect, they might not find her or know what the page is called. 22:32, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes but Night is not a rogue. She is an early settler now and should be treated as such. 11:18, January 1, 2016 (UTC)

What is the conclusion on this? 02:57, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Swift
There is a cat not on the wiki swift from river clan (mothflights vision chapter 18 don't know page number, reading on kindle)

00:28, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

'Swift' is actually a typo that they made for several pages. Moss Tail was mistakenly called Swift a few times in MFV, but Swift is not a separate cat. 01:25, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Oh ok thank you for clearing that up 10:25, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering if users would get confused. I think a redirect page for Moss Tail and his mistaken name is a good idea. 21:51, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that seems good to have a rederict page for Swift. But isn't there a cat called Swift Minnow? Was he Swift prior to getting that name? 18:59, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

No, her name was Minnow before she got her Clan name. 22:40, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

However, there is a cat called Swift from TFB, just saying. 23:39, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's Moss Tail. A redirect will suffice in this case. The Swift from The First Battle isn't the same character.

Are we going to create a redirect page for this? 02:57, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Minor Characters (again)
So! Finally, I was able to get the template over to this wiki. If you've forgotten, this is what we had planned for the minor characters page. So, before we make the page, is there any last minute things I should fix up? Or should we just go right ahead and make it? 15:50 Thu Dec 31

Great job Berry! :) I just want discuss who exactly we are putting there. Characters we wouldn't give a page? Like that gray she-cat in the prologue of SkyClan's Destiny? Are we giving a section for all unnamed characters like Dappletail's Kit and The Old She-cat (ROS)? 21:47, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

From my understanding it was always going to just be characters way, way too minor for their own page; I suppose those characters would count, but they have their own pages now, and history sections that are longer than a couple of sentences...so, yes, just characters like that grey she-cat. 01:49 Fri Jan 1

Dappletail's Kit and the old she-cat from The Rise of Scourge are fine as they are, since they've already gotten articles, cites, chararts, ect, whatever have you. It would be counterproductive to get rid of those articles after the amount of work that's gone into the pages. The gray-she cat in the prologue of SkyClan's Destiny is a good example of a character that would go on this page, though.

Owl Song ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to the people who worked on it. I just did a minor fix, comments? 04:56, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

To the best of my memory, it never stated what Clan she was in or if she was even in a Clan, so isn't her being in WindClan an assumtion? 23:48, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe. The main quote is all we have of Owl Song, (and Kate's comment) to me she stayed behind from a Gathering to take care of Owl Song, but maybe it is an assumption. What does everyone else think? 23:20, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I think it's an assumpation. 21:03, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Updated Alright got rid of it. 22:02, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Could you add Moth Flight's Vision for he 'Living' books section? 22:09, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure I can do that. I mean, she is a mentioned character so doesn't really appear. 22:19, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hm, that makes sense. But Yew Tail and Gooseberry have it too, and they never appeared either. 22:32, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

They appeared in the allegiances, that's different. 22:34, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, then in that case it's fine. 23:23, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Rain (DoTC) ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to those who worked on him before me. The main quote isn't very good so if anyone wants me to I can get rid of it. Comments? 23:45, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

I guess it's the best you can get, other than that he is not dumb seems a bit better to me. Anywho, can you cut off the ending of the history and quote? Where it talks about Slash and Violet being mates instead of about Rain. 23:58, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

There was nothing wrong with the history how it was. It's clearly still having everything to do with Rain, and it's fine. Cutting it off like that makes the article ending look choppy, and since it's all in the same scene, it's perfectly acceptable.

So should I change the quote to "He was never dumb!"? imo it doesn't seem like a good main quote, but if you want me to I'll certainly change it. 02:20, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

I like the main quote as it is, so I don't think you should change it. 21:05, January 10, 2016 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 06:09, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Beetle ~ Silver Nomination
Eh I just finished the history and fixed the cite. Full credit to the user/s who worked on it before me. Comments? 06:14, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 06:09, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

February FA
That time again. I don't think any books are coming out next month. 03:29, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

We should do Gray Wing ;D 03:32, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should do a SkyClan cat, given that Ravenpaw's Farewell comes out at the end of the month. Cherrytail has an excellent and detailed history, and her and Sharpclaw's kits will show up in the new novella.

But we already did a January FA for a cat in Ravenpaw's Farewell - Barley. 03:38, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

So? Why does it matter? I get that you want Gray Wing, but there isn't any reason as to why I can't suggest Cherrytail. And I said SkyClan, not just an Ravenpaw's Farewell cat.

Both pages are worthy and well written. (my sibling cried when he read the death scene in the book, I was so surprised!) considering both were up for Content Drive not too long ago, it's impressive indeed. 04:42, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

As I said to Icy on skype, I think using Gray Wing for March would be more appropriate, as that marks the three year anniversary of The Sun Trail. Given he was the main protagonist, it would be fitting to have him there for the three year mark of the first book in the arc. (it was released in 2013, wow)

Yeah, I say we save Gray Wing for later. Cherrytail is worthy of an FA, so I think we should go with her. 17:32 Thu Jan 14

Burr
Burr is a character who came from the Warriors Adventure Game. Seeing as he is non-canon, is there a non-canon character category I can add in and remove the characters catergory? Or should he still be considered a character and have a non-canon character category in at the same time?

There isn't a category for it. I think Burr should stay a character, but I think a special tab that states this character is non-canon due to only appearing in (yada yada). I could be used for future non-canon characters too. 22:39, January 12, 2016 (UTC)