Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Change in main quote for Moonrise
Hi, Shelly here to ask for one thing: that the quote for Moonrise be changed. The current quote certainly is romantic, but all it does is ruin the ending of the book. Quotes four and five from the nomination provided dramatic foreshadowing and showed what the book would be about. All the currently selected quote does is tell us that Feathertail dies, whoop de doo. So, I was told that if I wanted it changed I'd have to propose it here, so there it is. 05:58, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with you, but it's just my opinion. I voted for quote 2 (I think) because I thought quote 1 because it was too spoilerish. There are better quotes. No offence too the people who voted for that quote. 06:19, 19, 03, 2012

Agreed, it gives away the Prologue and the end of the book, we need a new one. I would prefer either 4 or 5, both are amazing. Raineh Pwns all others  00:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I need to agree. Plus, I don't think that romance should play such a big role in the Warriors series, and it's just a bit too dramatic. I think that the book articles' quotes could be more..."mysterious" instead of dramatic. -- 04:00, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I would agree on it being changed. It's a little too spoilerish. That's why I didn't vote for it. 00:46, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be changed....I'll ask Skye her opinion, as well~ 00:36, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Rainly, I'm the one that told Shelly to suggest changing it. That's fine with me. Shelly, which quote would you suggest placing on the article? 09:55, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot about this. Anyway, the quotes I would use are either: "Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight or "We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

Both of these quotes do not contain major spoilers for the end of the book and they are relevant to the entire plot.

In fact, I propose that the main quotes for all of the book articles be re-examined for spoilers and relevance. Romantic quotes are fine and good, but the main quote is located very high above the spoiler tag in book articles.

Sign of the Moon, for instance. The main quote for that article is all fine and good, but there's a better choice: "Maybe we should be like the moon's reflection, holding fast whatever happens?" -Half Moon

That quote contains very little spoilers and is even relevant to the title of the book. The current quote spoils the fact that Jayfeather founds the Tribe of Rushing Water.

These quotes need to be picked out carefully, is what I'm saying. They should be relevant to the main plot, they should ideally be from at least the first half of the book, and if not then at least the first two-thirds, and it shouldn't spoil the end of the book for anyone that glances at the article and hasn't read the book yet. 05:19, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a complete overhaul of the quotes already on the articles. It would do us some good to be able to really go through and decide what belongs and what doesn't. I'll try and go through a few of them tonight to see what I can find. It's a really good idea.. 20:07, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The book quotes I find fault with are:
 * Into the Wild (the quote would be better suited for a later book when he actually has an inner conflict about whether or not he made the right choice when joining ThunderClan, leaving his twolegs was hardly a problem relevant to Into the Wild)


 * Fire and Ice (that quote has almost nothing to do with the main plot. and only has to do with a single point in the book. It'd be better with Bluestar's quote telling Fireheart and Graystripe to find WindClan)


 * Forest of Secrets (the entire plot didn't revolve around this, and it's yet another quote from late in the book. A quote about Oakheart being killed by a rockfall and not a cat would be most pertinent, I think)


 * Rising Storm (Another quote from close to the end of the book, Runningnose's prophecy would be best in my opinion)


 * A Dangerous Path (I really don't think that Tigerstar's lie foreshadows the plot well. Heck, "Pack pack, kill kill" would be better than that)


 * The Darkest Hour (yet another quote from the end of the book. BloodClan isn't even officially named until late in the book. The quote when Tigerstar strikes his deal with Scourge would be better, imo)


 * Midnight (another quote form the end of the book which spoiler exactly who Midnight is. It'd be better with the prophecy given to Brambleclaw at the beginning)


 * Moonrise (already spoke on that)


 * Dawn (another quote from the end of the book. I think it'd be better off with the Clans making the decision to leave the forest)


 * Twilight (aaaand another quote from the end of the book. Why not Cinderpelt and the other MC's talking about their prophecies predicting the attack?)


 * The Sight (another quote from the end of the book, dang it, and it spoils the prophecy Jaypaw finds. Why not go with the prophecy Firestar remembers in the prologue? Same impact, less spoilers)


 * Outcast (it'd be better off with a quote from when the Tribe cats are asking the Clan cats to come help them)


 * Eclipse (not as bad as the others, but still from late in the book)


 * Long Shadows (major spoilers, from the end of the book. I'd personally prefer to see the moment Blackstar declares that ShadowClan will not be attending gatherings)


 * Sign of the Moon (spoils the fact that Jayfeather founded the tribe, it'd be better with Half Moon's moon sign)

Jeez... I had a harder time finding a quote that I was okay with already in place. Eesh. 20:34, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah, the other books.


 * Crookedstar's Promise (major, major spoilers)


 * Shattered Peace (from the last pages of the book)

20:42, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think maybe we should all look over the quotes for each book and see what everyone thinks. Maybe even a vote for which ones to change? 01:56, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe instead of putting the spoiler warning where the Summary starts, we could put it at the very top of the page, before the quote. 02:45, 10, 04, 2012

I'm up for moving the spoiler tags. Although, replacing some of the quotes would be a good idea. However, I'm not up for replacing all of the ones Shelly suggested. Those are her own personal preferences, after all.

I agree with Cloudy. Changing all of those quotes are going to take a LOT of time. We still have other books to worry about......I think they should stay the way they are now. 14:10, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

With all honesty, I believe most of those quotes are fine....and, we have other jobs to worry about before getting down to nit-picky details such as this. 14:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with moving the spoiler tag, but I think most of those quotes are fine. Though on The Sight, the original prophecy would be better, it's not a big deal. Other than that I think the others are fine.... (aside from moonrise) 15:16, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm against moving all the spoiler tags to the top of the page, as I think most of those quotes are ok. I think there are three or four that do need changing, but that shouldn't be too hard. I don't see the point in moving the spoiler tags because of a couple of easily changed faulty quotes. 08:52, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Of course some have to be changed, but not all of them Shelly listed, in my opinion. I'm still up with moving the spoiler tag, and Leopard, I respect your decision. 01:54, 16, 04, 2012

Okay, after thinking it over, I do think that some of them should be changed, but, not all of them. It's a matter of going through (as Shelly did, it seems) and finding which ones are in dire need of being replaced, and we can handle the other ones later on.

We probably should start with Moonrise, since that's the book quote that brought this on to begin with, so if anyone wants to throw a few suggestions out there, be my guest.

Ifound a couple:

Be careful Firestar, you may go in peace, but the other Clans might not see it that way ~ Sorreltail, pg 104

Clans won't survive if they can't work together ~ Feathertail, pg 65

And Shelly got these too, don't forget.

"Danger is all around. Your friends great courage will need. The path has been laid out for them in the stars" -Midnight

"We have no wish for fighting. Your journey has brought you to the Tribe of Rushing Water." - Crag

I think one of them will work. 08:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should actually just delete the quote(s) on the main page and we can redo the quote nominations. The vote could be titled Forum:Moonrise ~ Quote Nomination 2 or something. Just a thought, so we don't have to go through a whole bunch of quotes in this section. 06:00, 05, 05, 2012

Mmhmm. That's an excellent idea. Leopard, if you want to just re-post that idea as a new topic, be my guest. This is starting to take up a lot of space. XD

I know I'm opening here a can of worms, but I'd have two remarks regarding this discussion: Kind regards, 19:31, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we need quotes on the book articles? Quotes have some use on character pages, as they might present an important trait of a cat (since character pages don't have a section that present the cat in general and summarize what they did), but I don't know if they have a use on book pages.
 * Do we need spoiler tags on this site? Like, at all? They would have a point if only 10% or 20% of the pages contained spoilers, so they could be distinguished... but since (almost) all do, placing tags on all pages is redundant. We could simply mention this fact on the front page.

Hey, open all the cans of worms you want, Helice. I don't mind one bit. You have every right to speak your mind.
 * The quotes were added as something extra on the articles, and it was something I came up with to try and get a little more activity out of the project, and try and convince some of the newer members to actually help out every once in a while, since most of the project's articles are already silver grade or gold grade levels. A lot of the members seem to like adding the quotes, but if they're not needed, they're not needed.


 * As for the spoiler tags... that's a really good question. I always took it as something an article needed, and never thought much else of it. However, they are becoming a little... obsolete, since half the time, they're not in the right places, or there's already a spoiler //above// the tag. I'm all for removing them from book articles, and placing something on the main page. Most people who come here actually come to read the articles, and don't care much for the tags in the first place. They know the spoilers are going to be there.

Comments, guys?

The removal of a spoiler tag would be nice. And we could just make one giant one that reads "WARNING!!! THERE WILL BE MAJOR SPOILERS!!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK." Or something like that. 19:53, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I do quite like the "Read at your own risk" thing...and that might be something we could incorporate, if we can come to an agreement. However, since the tags are used throughout the entire wiki, I think this should be something taken to a forum discussion, so the entire wiki can state their opinions on this.

A side note. If it's about finding some tasks for the project to do, we had several plans for that about two years ago (though we didn't manage to get working on any, since lots of people left that autumn and the new leaders did not take up the ideas): Kind regards, 10:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Separate articles for each chapter in the books (such as this wiki has here).
 * Articles about important, large-scale events, sometimes spanning several books, such as Journey to Midnight. (Yes, I know Journey is a PW article, but by the projects' definitions, it should be in PB)

We have spoiler warnings because since the series is so long, it'd be best to warn the readers that there may be content that they may not have read. Also, how many of us really bother with the main page nowadays? I personally go straight to the recent activity as (I'm assuming) most users do, whether new or old. I'm sure users can find quotes that don't spoil the plot or ending details of a book anyways.

As for finding PB to do, I'd like to see the cliffnotes advanced. 17:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Advanced, how, 'Teldy? Could you elaborate on that? Like, do you mean adding more detail to each of the chapters, or something completely different?

I don't have an idea yet, but you could do what Helix suggested and make each chapter a page. The purpose for cliffnotes is a mute purpose now as I don't feel they describe the minor and major events of each chapter. But I think it would be a good idea to focus on something like that. 22:44, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so I came up with a rogue idea of something I think could work, and you can see it here. Now, mind you, this is just what I thought could be used. If you guys have other things you want to add, please, feel free to comment.

Though I might mention...
A word of warning; I've found some false descriptions added to some of the allegiances, such as saying Onewhisker's a young brown tabby tom in Rising storm. That's not said anywhere. So I though I might point this out and I advise maybe going through the allegiances an checking them straight from the book? I'm attempting to do so now, but yeah, just though I'd mention it. 15:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

May have been a simple copy and paste error, since most the things I've seen added that aren't in the allegiances, are in other allegiances. But still worth checking, just to make sure. 21:52, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, paleh. I'll look through them when I get a chance. x3 01:21, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Two Blurbs
I know we have the blurb for the books but there's sometimes two of them. Like if you have the hardcover copy of Sign of the Moon, on the back cover there's a different blurb than the one on the inside cover. So if there are two blurbs shouldn't we put both of them on the book page? 21:13, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

There's actually two blurbs like that, one on the inside cover and one on the back cover, on all the books that I own...21:14, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe if they really have a difference. But if I remember correctly SotM's blurbs have a lot in common with each other. 12:07, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should add in both, since they are both on/about the book. 16:56, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Um... o_o
So I've decided, and I haven't been as active as I would've liked to have been recently. It's just the stress of life. I don't contribute to this project as much as I do to others unforunatly, so I'll be leaving the project, or taking a break. Hopefully when I've settled down, I'll rejoin. Sorry guys~ ;c 09:29, 06, 06, 2012

D'awww... x3 Y u leave? D8 ;.; I hope you rejoin soon... ;.; PB will miss your epicness... <3 23:38, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Don't leave... it's not nice to us who want you to stay D'X-- 11:26, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Midnight - Quote Change
I'm here today because I feel that the quote for Midnight should be change. For one, it has nothing to do with the book - it actually has to deal with Dawn. And though I could care less about spoilers, I know a majority of the Wiki does, so...it spoils who Midnight is. I'm going to list quotes I feel would be better. (No offense to who nominated the quote).

1."A new prophecy has come! A doom that will change everything has been foretold in the stars." - Bluestar, page 1. It's not stated that this is Bluestar, but, I have proof and if you need it, tell me.

2."Darkness, air, water, and sky will come together and shake the forest to its roots. Nothing will be as it is now, nor as it has been before." - Bluestar, page 2.

3."A time of trouble is coming to the forest. A new prophecy must be fulfilled if the Clans are to survive. You have been chosen to meet with three other cats at the new moon, and you must listen to what midnight tells you." - BLuestar to Brambleclaw, page 8.

4."Maybe it's your time now. Remember that StarClan doesn't like to make things obvious. They send us prophecies, but they never tell us exactly what to do. They expect us to show courage and loyalty to achieve what has to be done, just as Firestar did." Ravenpaw to Brambleclaw, page 95.

5."Squirrelpaw, I want you to go out with Thornclaw." Firestar to Squirrelpaw, 117. 19:19, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I love that last quote....xDDDD

Anyways, I personally think these quotes offer a better selection than what we have on the page. They're not spoilerish, but provide a key tune in to the plot. I'd probably pick the one Bluestar says to Brambleclaw. I like it.

I forgot to say the one I wanted. xD I would like either the Bluestar quote on page 2 or the page 8 quote...or the last one. 19:25, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Numbers 3, 4, or 6 xD. 19:58, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I like the page 2 one from Bluestar, the page 8 one, and the last one...xD 18:54, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Number 1, though my favorite is the last one XD. Unfortunately,that doesn't work with the book. -- 18:56, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

The last ones great (sadly it took me a moment to get it), but I like 3 and 4. 14:45, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Last Hope - Silver Nomination
This was done a while ago, but I never got around to nominating it. It's full and everything looks fine. Comments? 19:20, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Rising Storm - Quote Change
I also believe Rising Storm's quote doesn't foretell the book. Say I'm wrong, but this is my opinion. Protest if wanted.

"Not of rain, but of a great new dawn that awaits our Clan. In that ray of light, our warrior ancestors showed me the future, and it will be glorious!" - Runningnose, page 5.

Or it would be, if I didn't have a pain in the neck for an apprentice, or the elders fretting about the wrath of StarClan, or a leader who can't even decide who should mentor Brindleface's kits. Fireheart's silent answer to Willowpelt's question, page 25.

"All the Clans have much to thank you for. You drove Brokentail out of ShadowClan, brought WindClan home from exile, helped RiverClan when they were flooded, and saved ThunderClan from Tigerclaw. No other warrior has your sense of fairness or loyalty or courage." Bluestar to Fireheart, page 60.

"Very well, we'll go home. But we will return. You cannot cut us off from StarClan forever!" Bluestar to Mudclaw, 66

"We've captured two ShadowClan warriors!" Sandstorm, 88

"W-Whitethroat and I came here h-hoping you'd give us food and healing herbs." Littlecloud, 91

I think 1. Comments? 21:05, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm, I like one or three. -- 23:35, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

I also one more.

"You can't live with a paw in two worlds, Cloudpaw. You're going to have to decide. You must choose whether you want to live by he warrior code as a Clan cat, or whether you want the life of a kittypet." 00:16, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I adore number one. 18:52, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I like one as well, though I am a fan of three too. 14:47, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

The Clans Decide - Quote Nomination
I like 3 and 6, if you want me to get more I will, Comments? 04:03, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) "Stop poking your muzzle in where it's not wanted, Firestar, and let us deal with these trespassers." Russetfur to Firestar; Page 2
 * 2) "These cats are scared and starving, just like us. Peace will catch no prey." Sandstorm to Firestar; Page 6
 * 3) "Come back, make them see sense. Not all of us want to keep living like this, killing ourselves for the last piece of prey." Mosspelt to Firestar; Page 6
 * 4) "StarClan has come!" Otterheart to the rest of the Gathering; Page 8
 * 5) "Stop thinking about battles for once in your life!" Graymist to Snaketail; Page 9
 * 6) "Of all the medicine cats Firestar had known, none had frightened him. But sometimes, Jayfeather did. Firestar's thoughts; Page 10
 * 7) "You saved my life once before, in the flood. I believe you can do it again." Reedwhisker to Firestar; Page 12
 * 8) "Don't you dare vote against yourself! If you, lose it must not be because you didn't believe you could do this." Sandstorm to Firestar; Page 13
 * 9) "You are this Clan's leader, and no other's." Dustpelt to Firestar; Page 13
 * 10) "The vote has been cast, the cats have chosen to follow firestar." Jayfeather at the end of the vote; Page 13
 * 11) "I promise I will be guided by the warrior code, and most of all, by StarClan's wish that there should be four clans. If that means sharing our fresh-kill, so be it. We will do what we have to in order to survive-just as we have always done." Firestar to the rest of the gathering; Page 14

I think the quote at the end of the book would seem more fitting. 18:47, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Could you get one or two more, Duck? 18:51, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict Leggy...lolwhut Lol, I love 6<33 3 is good as well. 18:52, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

OK, I added four more. 20:04, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

10 or 11. 20:07, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I like 11. Seems a bit spoiler-ish...but it works, I'd say.

I like 11, as well. You can't always have perfect, spoiler-free quotes that actually grasp the concept of a book. 18:40, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

July FA
'kay, I know I should have started this earlier, but I completely forget... ehehe...Sorry, guys. Anyways, what do you guys want to do for July's FA? Maybe another short story or novella (although we only have Hollyleaf's Story for the novellas, and that's one I nominated, so it'd be kinda bias...xD)? Or, we could go back to nominating normal books. It's up to you guys.

How about Crookedstar's Promise? 20:05, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to see, Secrets of the Clans or Battles of the Clans as the FA. 20:08, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Ooooh, BotC. That would be something I'd like to see. As for SotC, that would be amazing as well. As for CP, the cliffnotes could use some expanding, as well as some detailing, as some of them only have a few bullets, when there's a lot that happens in a chapter.

I would love to have a field guide as FA, so either book is good with me. 14:54, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

BotC......that's a good one. I'd like to see that. If not this month, then in the near future. SotC as well. I can't really think of any other books that are qualified to be the FA off the top of my head. 15:26, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think BotC would be a good choice. =) 15:54, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Have we decided on Battles of the Clans? If there are no more comments, I'll be putting up the vote tomorrow afternoon.

Into the Wild - Quote Change
I'm also proposing a quote change for Into the WIld. The quote, "You cannot live with a paw in each world," doesn't describe the book. Rusty's fear of leaving his Twolegs didn't last long. I have more quotes that might fit the book better, but if anypony disagrees, state so now.

1. "You look like a brand of fire in this sunlight. You have fought well. From this day forward, until he has earned his warrior name, this apperntice will be called Firepaw, in honor of his flame colored coat." Bluestar, page 37.

2. "Well, I hope you'll think twice about bringing strays into the camp next time. Like I said, outsidesr always bring trouble." - Longtail sneering at Firepaw at 101.

3. "The Clan may not be able to offer you such easy food or warmth. In the season of leaf-bare, nights in the forest can be cruel. The Clan will demand great loyalty and hard work. You will be expected to protect your Clan with your life if necessary. And there are many mouths to feed. But the rewards are great. You will remain a tom. You will be trained in the ways of the wild. You will learn what it is like to be a real cat. The strength and the fellowship of the Clan will always be with you, even when you hunt alone." Bluestar backing up her reasons for asking Firepaw to join her Clan, page 23.

4. "Perhaps you should find out these things for yourself. Would you like to join ThunderClan?" Bluestar, 21.

I've came up with these as I read the book - I'm not finished with it, but when I have, I might post some more. I also believe 3 could be the main quote. Comments? 01:55, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Three is really good, it explains the clans. 02:01, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Number three. o.o 02:05, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, number three. I don't even think you really need to find anymore quotes. xD Feel free to do so if you please, though.

I'm in love with number 3. Four is good as well. 18:51, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

I love number 3. 23:16, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Number 3 is the best.-- 23:29, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBV?

Fire and Ice - Quote Nomination
And I am now proposing a new quote for Fire and Ice. Fire and Ice's quote is irrevelant to the plot in the book, which is mostly revolving around Graystripe and Fireheart's friendship. If you disagree, feel free to post your opinion. But here are the quotes I feel will fit better. ...I have lots of them.

1. ''"I want you to find WindClan and bring them back to their territory." ''Bluestar announcing Graystripe and Fireheart's mission, page 35.

2. Were the deep-rooted memories he shared with Princess stronger than his loyalty to the Clan? Fireheart's thoughts, page 120.

3. "It's not enough. Twolegs have taken over our territory downstream. They built a camp there all greenleaf and stayed as long as the fish were plentiful. By the time they went, fishing was scarce. And the damage they've done to the forest means that even woodland prey is harder to find." Silverstream explaining why RiverClan was hunting in ThunderClan territory.

4. The truth was, if Bluestar lost this life, she would have only one more left. Narrator, page 168.

5. "I have lost another life. When I lose this one, I will not be able to return." Bluestar informing Fireheart of her lost life, page 181.

6. "You didn't trust me! You thought I would betray ThunderClan!" An angry Graystripe to Fireheart, page 213.

7. "I just wanted to save you from having to make a choice! Although it's true that I'm not sure where your loyalties lie right now." Fireheart to Graystripe, page 213.

8. "I have brought him for you, Fireheart. I want you to take him back with you to your Clan so that he can be your new apprentice." Princess about Cloudkit to Fireheart, page 219.

9. "There were three kits in my litter. But only Brokenstar survived. I gave him to a ShadowClan queen to bring up as her own. I thought that losing two of my kits was punishment from StarClan for breaking the warrior code. I was wrong. My punishment wasn't that two of my kits died. It was that this'' one survived! And now I cannot kill him. I must accept my fate, as StarClan wishes it." ''Yellowfang, page 269.

10. ''"It's not my place to judge you. Graystripe, whatever you decide to do, I will always be your friend." ''Fireheart to Graystripe, page 317. (Rather late, but it does sum up the book well)

Either 1, 7, or 10. 20:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)