Warriors Wiki talk:World

Events Timeline - Silver Nomination
I'm not sure whether we're supposed to nominate articles or not...but I'll nominate this. I think it looks fine. -- Ice The stars will light your path... 21:40, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

It's wonderfully done, but there can still be more information added to it. Bluestar's Prophecy, for example, which is a pretty big job. Still, not making it silver doesn't mean it's not good. Perhaps I'll go through BP and try and sort out the seasons and such. -- Bram ble  19:35, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

i have something to help you: Bluestar was born in Newleaf and apprenticed during Leaf-fall. → •Maple  fern•  ←  18:12, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Helix? Has this been updated enough? I can't tell because I don't the PO3 or OOTS series. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  08:48, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I don't have those either, but the seem OK, I double checked with the info on this wiki and the browse insides. Fading Echoes is missing though. Helix 18:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Fading Echoes is the most major thing missing. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 19:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anybody working on this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:57, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

I added Fading Echoes but I think we should at least get a rough timeline for Bluestar's Prophecy up... that would really make it stand out. I'm willing to help try and sketch out the timeline (so to speak) if help is needed.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 14:51, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that'd be a great help. बंदर  को पकड़ो !!!  05:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'd be willing to help too. I have my BP in my room. . . somewhere. . .  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  20:31, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I cannot help unfortunately - I don't have the book. Those who have it should maybe work together to draft it up. Helixtalk 03:48, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

It's totally ready. It has my vote!  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  23:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we need Bluestar's Prophecy done and I think it will be ready. Icefall Icy Winds 21:04, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, didn't notice that!  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  21:56, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Added as much as I could from the browse inside. SCARY MONSTERS with scarier alligators  and  suffering all around 08:54, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Should we add in some of the events near Into the Wild or Bluestar's Prophecy that's on BOTS? Sky wish  I'm Bob the Weasel and I'm SQUEAKY CLEAN! 22:58, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Willowpool, could you explain what you mean? Lightning talk 07:45, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think she means the events that are before or after Into the Wild and Bluestar's Prophecy that are mentioned in BOTS. Willowpool, is that what you were trying to say? 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 22:43, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, like...umm wouldn't the Lightning Strike with Dustpaw, Tigerclaw and Longtail place somewhere near Into the Wild? Sky wish  I'm Bob the Weasel and I'm SQUEAKY CLEAN! 02:53, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's BOTC', not BOTS. And in my opinion, it should be Between Bluestar's Prophecy and Into the Wild, though that looks a bit too long... Lightning talk 10:11, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

How could we make it shorter? Between Into the Wild, Bluestar's Prophecy, I was thinking...but that doesn't really make sense. ♥Ice shine★  22:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone going to work on this? ♥Ice storm★  21:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Night: You're right BOT'C' or else it'd be Battles of the SLANS,lol. if I can, I'd do it myself Willow pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  00:31, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

You can. 01:11, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Events Timeline - List
Originally, I planned the Birth / Death list in the Events Timeline to include only major characters so that the table could be overviewed easily, instead of inflating it with large lists (the focus is on presenting the events, not the births / deaths). However, I see that people tend to add minor characters to it as well. So I guess we should decide a guideline for it, to prevent a kind of "edit warring": I prefer the first option, but I'd like to hear your opinions as well.  Helix talk 16:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Add only major characters, and make a separate lists for all births / deaths (or simply use the Nursery / StarClan pages); OR -
 * Add all (or most) characters

I agree with you about the first option. ♥Ice shine★  16:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be cool if we kept this one as a more general one (like option 1) but then worked on another timeline that would go moon by moon and be very detailed. It'd be a large project but it would be pretty cool and definitely be something unique to this site. insane brick'd 14:55, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Insane's idea would be cool. We can keep this Events Timeline general, but if we created another one that was more detailed, that would be something fun to do. 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 15:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that would be really nice, but I don't know if we are able to do it due to the very scarce reference to time intervals, seasons, ages and the like (even the "current" list was quite hard to create). So... it would be quite a challenge... but we love challenges, right? :) I can try figuring out the New Prophecy series, if you wish.  Helix talk 13:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the main series it's not as difficult as it may appear because Gatherings can be used as one-moon markers, the only tough parts are the timeskips between books/series, but we have that mostly figured out from this timeline. I actually started working on something like this on my computer a while ago - I think I got up to A Dangerous Path or The Darkest Hour. If people think this is actually a worthwhile idea I could show you what I have so far. insane brick'd 14:24, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

The only time skip in the original series I can think of in the original series is the three moon skip in Into the Wild. The time skips between series are easier: Original->TNP, five moons+Firestar's Quest+eight moons, TNP->TPoT, however many moons until Leafpool's kits are born+six moons, and TPoT->OotS, six moons even. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 21:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Goldenpaw. ♥Ice shine★  15:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Insane: you have a point with the Gatherings. As for my opinion: yes, your idea is worthwile, and you know that I support any article that supplies information regarding any aspect of the Warriors series. Thanks! :)  Helix talk 18:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I wrote up what I had so far here. it's informal and I may have missed some things, but it's just a quick draft. I was thinking we could use a format for the moon numbers similar to the BCE/CE format for years - Moon 0 being the moon that Rusty joins ThunderClan, and then negative moons would be before that. Just to simplify the numbers if we start adding history from before Into the Wild. When you do a timeline like this, it's really cool because you can see small details and even mistakes... like, did you know that Featherpaw and Stormpaw were apprenticed when they were only four moons old? XD insane  brick'd 12:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Although, for months, I recommend go with "normal" names instead of numbers (like January, February... - or if we wish in-universe terms, Mid-Leafbare, Late-Leafbare...) as it helps the reader greatly to overview the seasons and years.  Helix talk 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say we should put the in-universe terms with the month names in parentheses. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 20:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put the in universe terms, as Goldenpaw said. ♥Ice shine★  16:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

One of the only issues I can see with the draft while skimming is that there isn't the three moon timeskip after Firestar's apprenticed. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 06:10, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that mistake, Goldenpaw, I'll fix it. And my only objection to using month names is that we don't know which month is which necessarily, since we only get the season from the books. Although it might be possible to figure out which is which by knowing that, for instance, the moon right before leafbare starts would be November. insane brick'd 13:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can be found out, in my opinion; there are hints like "early newleaf", "newleaf has just arrived" etc. It is enough to figure out a single month, and the rest will be automatically known.  Helix talk 13:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know all of the months, so I can help out with the article if you like. ♥Ice  storm★  12:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, is this discussion over? ♥Ice  storm★  21:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK so to conclude it, from the above discussion it seems there's an agreement about:
 * The Events Timeline will remain as a general overview, listing only major events and major characters. We will not list the births and deaths of minor characters
 * We will make a more detailed timeline (divided to months), time permitting
 * Kind regards,  Helix talk 06:40, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

So what will the page name be and will we use Into the Wild for a year 0, or use the years on the Events Timeline? I have the time to work on it. (Well, at least until the first week of August.) -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say to use the years on the main Timeline, to avoid confusing members (but first, we should sort out BP for the main timeline... maybe there are more years there). 19:03, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if we use the years on the main timeline, could we still use the 0 and "BC" type of thing, just push it back one year so that it matches up with the Events Timeline? As this'd make it much easier to add previous books without disrupting all the year numbering, and since it's been confirmed that new books will be taking place at earlier times, I think that'd help in the future. Oh, and I think we should call the page "Events Timeline/Detailed" or something along those lines. 13:08, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we could. 14:47, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 18:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree as well. 23:09, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Dormice?
Do we really need a dormice section for prey? Wouldn't just mice work? Also, I don't remember reading anything about dormice. Tawny SMEASH 12:20, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Wasn't it mentioned in the second series? I might be wrong, but I think the 6 cats ate one of those on their journey. ♥Ice storm★  12:25, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you... I think the prey page is making too many assumptions and needs to focus on what the cats would call these things. ie. mice, rats, frogs, pigeons, voles, water voles, shrews etc. Rather than differentiating between subspecies of these as no cat would know the difference anyway and there is no written proof anywhere that these species are correct... Just my thoughts. -- Sandy star 12:27, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

They're not the same thing, though. Mice are a specific genus, while dormice are a different family all together. I think we should just use the most general classification of the prey that only contains that type of prey on the Wikipedia link. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 19:06, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Sometimes the prey names and/or descriptions seem too. . . human. W   a  t  e  r   bender MouseHRULES!   02:24, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Mouse is right. Twoleg language-ish XD Willow <font color="Lime">pool "Let's look for donuts in the wilderness!"  02:20, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

So, should we remove it from the article or keep it there? ♥Ice storm★  21:38, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Unless no one can find a book mention, we should keep it. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 21:54, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Did anyone find a book mention? If not, I'll archive this. 01:10, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. If anyone finds it, put up a new section. Will archive later. 14:48, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Diseases and Injuries - Silver Nomination
I nominated Diseases and Injuries for silver some time ago, but the contributors requested a full list of book mentions. I have added them now (see the Book Mentions list), and also some references; hope it's OK - in my opinion it qualifies for silver. Kind regards, <span style="background-color: #705EA0; -moz-border-radius: 12px 4px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Helix talk 20:36, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * And in mine. Especially as it has proved my sanity =) -- Sandy star 20:50, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I also believe it is ready. ♥Ice storm★  21:37, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Any comments before the vote goes up? 01:06, August 15, 2010 (UTC


 * More citations were requested, please allow me to sort them out. 16:29, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. 14:39, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sunningrocks
Hi, I know I'm not part of this project, but I just saw the Sunningrocks page, and I think a lot of work needs to be done on it. I thought I should inform this project, because the page on Sunningrocks is an aspect of the Warriors World, and this project specialises in this. I would like to help with the build up of content to this page, if thats okay. <font color="#3300CC" face="Tempus Sans ITC" style="background:Turqoise">Tansyfoot. 15:36, August 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course, everyone can edit and expand any page, and they are welcome to do so - this is a wiki, after all. :) The article is mainly OK, but could use some expansion, and references must be inserted. 18:35, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there could be some citations. 02:23, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Clan Infobox
As discussed and agreed here - I created the infobox for the Clans and put it on the article of every Clan. See the WindClan page for instance. If you have suggestions for it, or would like it some other way, please tell. It contains some red links - those will be fixed when we create the relevant pages (as discussed). Kind regards, 19:02, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks Helix. 01:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

That looks great, now we just need to figure out the subpages. I assume we'll be calling them ____Clan/Ranks, ____Clan/Hunting, ____Clan/Fighting, or something like that? Or for the fighting techniques, would we still keep them on a page like Tail Signals and just have it link to that...? 14:00, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm guessing. 14:01, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

About the Ranks, I see that the Deputy, Medicine Cat etc pages already contain rank succession list, we could just link there. I guess it would be easier to make a single page for Hunting, Fighting etc instead of making 5 or more small pages, and just link to them. Of course, this is only my view, and I'm waiting for the input from all contributors (including if the links should be changed in the infobox). Kind regards, 16:18, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I would kind of go with Insane's idea of the sub-pages, but Helix is correct, it would be more work than putting them all on one page. 17:56, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Update: Quality articles
I went to the nursery page a noticed that it was labled gold. I moved it's ranking one the quality articles section. Willowheart1231 23:56, August 13, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231

Thank you. I overlooked that. Talking of the Nursery article, we need to put text for it on Warriors Wiki:World/FA. Here's my sample:

The Nursery is a den in every Clan's camp, which houses queens and their kits. The nursery is the most protected part of the Camp, and is often the least targeted area when a camp is attacked. An exception to this was when Blackfoot stole kits from ThunderClan in Into the Wild.

Read more...

06:12, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Moonpool - Silver Nomination
Moonpool looks like a good article to me. I attempted to expand it. I don't know if a history section should be added, probably not though. *shrugs* 19:12, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I am supporting. 21:32, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, I would add some references, expand description and describing in more detail its significance and its discovery. We should also decide if we wish to add a "Book Mentions" section as most other Location articles have. Kind regards, 12:38, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I say yes to adding a Book Mentions. 22:32, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Definitely needs citations. I also like the book mentions idea. Mentions are a good thing. Consistency is good, too. (A style guide for various types of world articles might not be a bad idea...) And it should be noted that because we can't see it/find it, that Facebook reference is no good. It doesn't actually have a link to the reference. 01:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, can I have anybody else's opinion on adding book mentions? 18:37, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Red Links?
I've noticed in the boxes (like charcats, but not exactly that) there are red links, like ThunderClan's box thingy. Is there supposed to be red links? Should they be filled in? Or is it just spam?


 * Those boxes were just introduced (after a discussion in this Project); and we still have to decide how, where and in what format should we create those pages; I hope we can sort it out soon. Kind regards, 18:48, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. But what does Rank Succesion mean? 00:47, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Rank Sucession means lists of deputies, leaders, or medicine cats in that Clann. 01:20, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay, Thanks. 14:48, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

ThunderClan - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate ThunderClan to a silver nomination. All history is filled in, and seems expanded well. 00:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Moonrise, Dawn, and Outcast through Sunrise could be expanded, in my opinion. 01:43, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I can do Moonrise and Dawn, but I don't own Outcast and haven't read Sunrise (I'm a REALLY slow reader, but I basically know everything that happens) 14:50, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded Moonrise, I'll work on Dawn. 15:22, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to take this down because I am leaving the wiki tomorrow due to school and acedemic reasons. I'll come back every now and then to say hi, but otherwise, I'm not coming until the end of December, thank you. 22:12, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I'll finish the article up. 18:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Birth's and Death's Suggestions
Okay, I was thinking about this, and maybe we should do for the Clans Birth's and Death's something like this:

Into the Wild
List the names of Birth's here, so on and so forth with all the books from Into the Wild to Fading Echoes, including Super Editions and Mangas, Field Guides if their any

Into the Wild
Same as under births.

So, whaddya think? Comment below...Please, comments! 18:42, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hm...yes. And I came up for an idea for the format.

Into the Wild

 * Cinderpelt

Born to Frostfur and unknown tom.

I dunno...it's not really coding but xP 23:27, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I made all the coding into preformatted boxes to make it less disruptive to the rest of the page; if you guys want, you can change it back :P Anyways, I'd rather just go with a table for the births and deaths, set up similar to the Mentor or Nursery pages. It'd be less lengthly, and easier to organize imo. 23:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...that seems to make sense. Shall we go right away and create the page, or should it be...approved by a sysop (though Insane herself is a sysop) 00:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait for a couple more opinions. 14:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I actually though about some table, more like the Events Timeline, something like this:

Maybe not by months, but at least by seasons... and maybe use some colour-coding to show if a cat ended up in StarClan / Dark Forest... opinions? :)

Tawny: this is a wiki, a page does not need "approval" before it is created. Anyone can create one; and if we later decide to do it otherwise, or decide that it is not needed, we can simply change or replace the content.

Kind regards, 08:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The table looks cool. Nice job, Helix. That should be used. 12:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

He he...sorry about that, just wanted to make sure I was doing something without blowing the wiki up....and I think this idea is excellent. 14:29, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, but I think we would have a hard time finding the number of seasons for every cat. 17:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

We could probably just use the Events Timeline as a reference, but otherwise, we can do something similar when it comes to birth

I'm not sure if I got the dates right, but you get the idea (I know ShadowClan is messed up, but oh well, I couldn't fix it...;P) 19:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm: Yes, it would. We'll include only the ages that can be calculatet, and leave it blank for the rest. Of course, this was just an idea, waiting for other input as well. :) Tawny: I don't think we need a separate Birth list, as we can simply link to the Nursery, where births are listed by book and Clan, including parents. 06:44, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it sounds pretty good to me, but if the minority of the chart doesn't have the number of seasons, I think we should remove it. But, that's just my opinion. 21:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we should. And great table, you guys. 18:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

The Gorge rewrite
We have an article on The Gorge that presents the gorge on the RiverClan territory in the old forest. However, SkyClan's habitat is called The Gorge as well. Shouldn't the article (or an additional article) describe that instead? Actually, I'm surprised that we do not have an article about SkyClan's habitat - there is so much to write about. :)

What I suggest is to merge the current contents of The Gorge with the River Chell article, then replace it with a description of SkyClan's territory, in a similar manner / format as the Forest and Lake articles. What are your opinions?

Kind regards, 12:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Helix, nice idea. Are there any other opinions? 18:34, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Join and Nomanation
I want to join and I would like to Nomanate Whispering Cave to Silver or Gold Frostblaze Random monkeys and peanut butter!!! 04:22, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I added you in. For the nomination, it has to be nominated silver, because gold only occurs if the article was featured or not. I believe Whispering Cave could use some expanding, and some ciations, but other than that it is fine. 18:32, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Whats a ciations? and I gave it some more expanding and I'll maybe add a picture from erin hunter on it then will itn be good? Frostblaze Random monkeys and peanut butter!!! 19:53, September 1, 2010 (UTC)