Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Next Content Drive

 * So, we haven't had a formal content drive in a little while- I put up the TFA characters one quite a while ago, and by now most characters have their history filled in. (It didn't have a lot of emphasis on it anyway...) So I think it's time we picked our next Content Drive. Personally, I'd like to do Cinderpelt- Since we just were forced to demote her from Gold, it'd be nice to be able to work her back up to the standard again. Do people like Cinderpelt, have other ideas, etc.?

I like the idea of Cinderpelt. Was planning on getting her up to scratch anyway as I felt sorry after her demotion. =) ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  22:31, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Cinderpelt should be next. But what will happen after that? If everybody is working on her, she going to get back up pretty quickly. How about the main characters of the Original series? (e.g., Sandstorm, Firestar, Dustpelt, Cinderpelt, but not Bluestar or Graystripe, I should think) Maplefern May StarClan light your pathHow's the Prey running? 15:00, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's worth considering, but I think we could spend one or two weeks working on individual articles and get them pretty much Gold-ready, and just switch whenever they're done. I don't think we'll make as much progress on any of them if there are multiple ones. (Which is why the last one knda failed XD) I realize now that the point of the Content drive is to focus everything on one article. It's a good idea though, to do some other OS characters after her, since a lot of them could easily be pushed up to Gold level with a bit of work (of course some need to be featured, but yeah...) Sorry for my incoherent ramblings, I was sick today and I'm still shaking it off. insan TA STE  THE  RAIN BOW  eu lar  22:12, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I got snowed in today. :) What about characters from TFA? ♥Mouse♥  ♥Heart♥   18:02, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Washington got 20"!!!!!!!! sorry OT there. TFA characters were the last drive. I agree we need a single character. ∑✐+ᖱ =  ᶊ⍶ᵰᗫᎽ  21:27, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sandy, what character needs the most work on their article. Whichever does, I think that should be our content drive. ღ♥Fire-Heart♥ღ  22:49, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

So, if there are no objections, Cindepelt will be our next one, and once she's done we can move onto some of the others Maple suggested. insan TA STE  THE  RAIN BOW  eu lar  23:01, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yah. After I posted my above comment, I looked up and I was like, I'm an idiot. Sandy- 20 inches? We got six! :( ♥Mouse♥  ♥Heart♥   23:52, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I will post her now, and compile a list of concerns on her talk page to be worked on. Let the content driving begin! insan TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  23:08, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Put up the concerns on her talk page, if you see any more, feel free to add them. I can probably cite her family completely later tonight, though. <font color="#CC0000">insan <font color="#FF6600">TA <font color="#FFCC33">STE  <font color="#00CC33">THE  <font color="#0033CC">RAIN <font color="#6633FF">BOW  <font color="#660099">eu lar  23:18, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Her family's done. Maplefern May StarClan light your pathHow's the Prey running? 00:37, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is she being worked on at all still? <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:45, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Gar, I kept putting her off, sorry! I'm doing a run-over of her history now. But I don't have my books, so it's more of a general touch-up than adding content. insaneular   Talk  20:02, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

All right, I cleaned up her history a fair bit (It was horribly messy!) but I still think she needs a bit more history added for TNP, with more individual appearances listed rather than generalization. The only book of TNP she's okay for is Starlight, since I have read that a bunch of times and could remember when she appeared. Also, if anyone sees mistakes I made about what she did, feel free to correct them; I was working completely from memory. insaneular   Talk  21:12, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Nice job Insane, I was looking at my home and it was like

Cinderpelt- Insane

about 500 times. :) I can work on her some.-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 21:15, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone see other major concerns for her, or should we look into a new content drive? insaneular   Talk  21:47, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Fading Echoes Browse Inside Policy

 * Woohoo, Sandy gave me a link to the HarperCollins Browse inside for Fading Echoes! Here is the link if you guys want to read it. We'll be using the same spoiler policy as we did for TFA, since that worked quite well: we will only add spoilers from the Allegiances (until the book comes out), such as name changes. Nothing from the actual book. If you see people adding things from the book, then just remove them until the release. This is so people who don't want spoilers before it comes out won't get them unintentionally. Is this cool with everyone, any questions or concerns? (Note: Don't post any spoilers on talk pages or anything either; since some users could still stumble across them when they don't want to. Try and keep any discussion about the events of it to the IRC or other sites)  insaneular    Talk  21:40, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

I saw all the name changes to Blossompaw and Briarpaw and those cats and I was like, "WHAT?!!" I need to read the thing....-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 23:09, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

-facepalm- I'm an idiot! :(  Trout leap  23:11, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it was just a mistake Ice, don't feel bad :)  insaneular    Talk  23:12, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

A Clan in Need browse inside has also been released, but I think it will easier with not adding information to articles since it's a manga. But, we get to see Crowfeather in mini version^^. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  00:22, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

I can't wait til they come out! Of course I'm completely broke at the moment but I get allwence today so. Plus: Crowkit+Leafkit+Squirrelkit=awww!-- Artimas Hunter Welcome to Bramblepath's Den 18:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. The book comes out in a few days, so we should start getting ready to update the pages! I'm getting it on release day, but not right after school like I did for TFA, so I'm sorry if I'm not able to help until later that night. Anyways, same drill as for TFA, as soon as the 23rd arrives, any spoilers are fair game, and first priority is probably adding history to the main characters, then cleaning up things such as the family sections and minor characters getting the alleg template. Just posting this so people who weren't here for TFA know what to expect, or just as a reminder ;)  insaneular    Talk  15:46, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

OMS! I completely forgot that it was coming out! I have 2 days! I can't wait! I'm going to be on here all day on Tuesday! After the hour it takes me to read FE.-- Artimas Hunter Warning! This user is reasonably insane! 16:13, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Just finished reading it. xD I'm going through and adding categories, the header, and the book title in the book appearances. If it has a coming soon template on it, it means they need information added, if not, then you'll see the alleg. template in place. I'll get to actually documenting the appearances tomorrow probably. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  00:04, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I just finished, and boy, it was GOOD! Anyways, I've already created pages for the new characters introduced (Wildfur, Snowtuft and Shredtail), but their histories are pretty brief now since it's late. I'll update them more tomorrow, along with StarClan, Place of No Stars, and any other characters I can get to. It's a shame I got it so late in the evening, or else I would have been able to do more today XD Also: I'm going to unprotect Molekit, Cherrykit, and Mistyfoot now (as well as move her to Mistystar) but I'd warn people to be wary of edits to those pages as they might get messed up by anons anway. insaneular   Talk  02:29, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, can someone goes through Ivypaw's FE section and shorten it? I typed up just about all of her appearances and the article got kind of long... xD <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:10, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, since this seems to be kind of a task center now, I'll list the more major characters that still need history added:
 * Jayfeather
 * Lionblaze
 * Dovepaw
 * Tigerstar
 * Hawkfrost
 * Mistystar needs a quick cleanup
 * Firestar could use some expansion
 * Spottedleaf
 * Tigerheart
 * Cinderheart

Of course there's plenty more, but those are the most major ones, which are probably the highest priority and are also the biggest jobs. If you finish one of them feel free to delete it from the list or strike it :P  insaneular    Talk  21:56, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Marshkit - Silver Nomination
All of Marshkits points have been forfilled. Should this article have a higher nomination? Clara My Talk Page 16:11, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think you mean silver. Anyway, We'll need a description citation, and page numbers for his family. Maplefern Carrying the torch... 16:14, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys? When did it say he was a brown tabby? I haven't read the New Prophecy series in a while, but I don't remember it ever saying what color he was Goldfall Meet me at the end of the rainbow! 08:01, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Right. Im going to check the books he was in. Clara My Talk Page 09:22, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed the title so it would be easier to read and get to the article. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:45, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone working on getting the citations? insaneular   Talk  15:46, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got the family citations, but when I did a browse inside sweep there was no mention of his description. I removed it for now, but if anyone else has any more luck with it then feel free to add it back in. ✐S  aN  dY  16:00, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have other info about the description, or other concerns? insaneular   Talk  21:47, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

I looked around online a little and it seems no-one has a verifiable description for him. ✐S aN  dY  20:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alive template
Hi,

I see the amount of work involved at the release of a new book, when the Members section of almost each character must be updated.

Won't it be easier to do a template for every character, that would be used in the Members sections? It would be changed only once per character at the release of a book, instead changing the entire Member list for every relative. For example:

Template:Alive/Firestar


 * Living (As of The Fourth Apprentice)

and on the character pages, you write e.g.:


 * Grandfather: Firestar:

Kind regards, Helixtalk 23:26, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

That's a neat idea :) It would save a nice bit of editing when new books come out. The only thing I'm confused about, is why it would be called . Wouldn't we just make one called  and have it say "Living (As of Most Recent Book, rather than having one for each character? Forgive me if I misunderstood your point.   insaneular    Talk  23:54, March 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * We can do that way as well. The advantage is having a single template, instead of hundreds. The drawback would be that if a character dies, we still have to change the Members section of dozens of relatives (instead of changing a single template). Helixtalk 00:10, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see why you did that now. I still think it would be easier to just change it on the individual pages than make a template for every single character, but if others like the ideas of the individual templates then we can try it. What do you guys think? insaneular   Talk  00:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, and another thing, there's probably a way to fix this, but on the family member sections, we usually only link the first time the book title is said, so we'd either need to have two templates, a 'parameter' for it (which I don't know how to code but someone probably does, like Lightning) that tells if it should be linked or not, or just type the first one manually then use the template for the rest of them...  insaneular    Talk  00:13, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * One question. One big huge question. What in the world does thee mean? Is this template used like the Alleg template to reduce effort. How will it only have to be changed just once per character? Wouldn't we have to change it for the character on all pages where they are mentioned in the members section? Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  04:16, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

The way I understand it, there will be a coding for a cat, say Sandstorm:. We put that in the members section of any article where she is a member of the family of that cat; i.e: Squirrelflight, Leafpool, Lionblaze, etc. Then, when the next book comes out, we just change the template to say: Living (As of Book name ), instead of changing every single page in which she is listed as family member. This is actually a really neat idea. It would save the amount of work having to be done on the pages. The transition will be hard, but after that it might really pay off. -- Bramble 05:02, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Giving it some more thought, we can take this to the next level by using two types of templates:


 * Template:Living
 * Living (As of Fading Echoes)


 * Template:Alive/Firestar


 * Template:Alive/Sandstorm

This would combine the advantages of both Insane's and my idea, i.e.:
 * When a new book is released, we don't have to change all Alive/character templates, just the Living template
 * When a character dies, we don't have to change the Members section of all relatives, just the Alive/character template

Regarding the amount of work: we don't have to make Alive templates for all cats; just for the still living characters of the main series (of course, it's still a lot of work, but it would pay off).

To reply Insane's question about linking: I don't think we have to link the book title at all; it already exists linked at least twice in the article (in the Charcat box and in the History).

Helixtalk 06:18, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I get what you meant now. That seems like it would work :) Does anyone have any objections to this idea before we start working out how to implement it?  insaneular    Talk  15:35, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Got it at last. Neat idea. Hmmm, minor work to do again. Reminds me of the categorizing and redirecting work I used to do as a new member. Nice. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  10:57, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Template:Living. Also, another idea I had, User:Grayravenpaw/Dead, which is basically the same as the Living template, only for dead cats. The template shows only the default option. To see all the uses go to my sandbox, and take a look at the bottom of he page. I have started creating the Alive templates. Perseus | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  11:30, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I'll help you create the Living Templates. Hm, we would need three Dead Templates and one Status Unknown. Well, actually we would need more Dead Templates for cats whose residence is unknown. But, do we really need Dead templates? It would be more for consistency with the Living templates rather than being easier to change when a new book comes out. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  17:02, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I can also help out if needed. As for your question: yeah, we don't really need Dead or Unknown templates as they do not change after each book release. We would need only: Helixtalk 18:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Living (As of Most Recent Book)
 * Living (As of Some Other Book) <- for example, manga characters like Barley in A Clan in Need

Heh, sorry, I went ahead and did them all. But, I was thinking, should we have a seperate category for the Alive templates? In case we need to change something on one of them or need to keep track of them. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  19:11, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Grr, things like this always happen when I'm unable to help XD I won't be on much for the next couple days to help, but it looks like you guys have this covered. Thanks, and if there's anything to still be done when I get back, I'll lend a hand. And agreed with Helix that we don't need dead templates; but I don't think we need the living as of other book ones either since a) not a lot of characters have that and b) for most of them the other books are long enough ago that we should put Status Unknown anyways. insaneular   Talk  19:13, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. Can I put the templates or have you finished that as well? By the way, Insane, according to Helix's timeline, Warrior's Return, where Barley and Ravenpaw last appear (according to the timeline Warrior's Return takes place two seasons after A Clan in Need), takes place just around a season before Fading Echoes, so is the time really too long for us to put "Living (As of Warrior's Return) or should we just put "Status Unknown" for them (Barley and Ravenpaw)? Perseus | Perseus  ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  09:00, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I suppose you're right, that is pretty close. I was thinking more for the other mangas, like Ravenpaw's Path, which take place even before the second series, (right?) so that would be awfully long to say they're still alive. insaneular   Talk  11:08, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

We can also put it like: "Last seen alive in Warrior's Return". Helixtalk 15:41, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Would Eclipse be considered a long tinme ago? Five books, and we have no idea of the status of Stormfur and Brook. Maplefern Carrying the torch... 23:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think if we're using Warrior's Return, we should be fine using Eclipse. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  23:47, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Duplicate links from the Alleg template
In a character page, the link to a book is contained both in the section title and the Alleg template, for example -

Rising Storm
 * He does not formally appear in Rising Storm, but is listed in the allegiances.

As duplicate links are to be avoided, one of these should be removed (I suggest the one within the Alleg template). Helixtalk 16:58, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I removed the part that linked the book and italicized it to see what it looks like. If everyone agrees, we can keep it at that. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  18:39, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Nominations?
Sorry if this is written somewhere obvious (I'm Stunned. LOL. xD) but nominations don't have to be extra long pages, right? So if the page has all of it's info written nicely, then it's good and can be nominated? :)

Also, do the pages start as Planned and have to be nominated to started, bronze, silver, etc? <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:39, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Don't feel bad; we should probably have more written on nominations as all the answers to those questions aren't really explicitly stated. Pages can be short and be silver, as long as they are well written and complete (like Badgerpaw, Aspentail, etc.) the only rule is that they cannot have only appeared in the allegiances, as that would be a bit pointless. As for your other question, the first three ranks (planned, started, bronze) don't have to be nominated or voted on, only Silver and Gold. You can change it to one of those ranks yourself using common sense. Planned is only if it has the bare minimum or no content, but that's likely to not be used; Started means it has some content but is missing a fair amount or is very messy; bronze means it's complete and in pretty good shape, just not quite to silver standard yet. Does that clear things up? :)  insaneular    Talk  20:42, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ohh, I understand. :)

So that would mean Crowclaw is eligible for silver? (S)he only has 1 line in the entire series to my knowledge, but doesn't just appear in Allegiances. ^^ <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, as long as the page is as complete as it can be and the description is cited (if there is one). If it is, then go ahead and nominate in a new section ^^  insaneular    Talk  20:46, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! =D

Hopefully I nominate this right. xD <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;"> Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Crowclaw - Silver Nomination
Okay, for a cat that has 1 line in the entire series, I think it's pretty good. LOL. xD <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 20:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I think its good, too :) Willow  -pool  21:50, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I know we accept cats with only a few appearances for silver, but in this case I think it might be too short. We don't even know the gender of this cat and he barely appears enough to make a small paragraph. I think it's too small in this case. <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  23:24, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Sorry, I thought that Silver meant all appearances were there. :) <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 23:26, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

It's okay^^. Just next time choose a character with a little bit more appearance in them. ^_^ <font color="#8e322e">→ <font color="#96aeb6">Sky <font color="#96aeb6">feather  15:22, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join the Project? -- I c y -  c h a n   s a y s   h e  l l  o !   02:13, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, added you :)  insaneular    Talk  02:17, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Nice to see we're getting more members. Welcome to the project, Icethroat! =D <span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:blue; background:gray; border:0px dashed; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Blue;">Ruinpaw I was trapped like a mouse in TwolegPlace... 02:18, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

thats because were getting more members ruinpaw is because project character art has been removed so we might have some more members coming Iceyfang 02:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)iceyfang

I think Shigura knows that PCA closed, Iceyfang. By the way, I'm a member, right? Rain whisker  17:37, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Cherrykit-Bronze Nomination
I know I'm new here but all her apprenances are listed and her image has been done (if that counts :D). I would say silver, but there is so little to her page seeing as she has been in two books so far! Fawnstorm The Dark Forest are rising...  17:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

She's good but you don't need to nominate for bronze. Only silver and higher. insaneular   Talk  21:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Joining
Hi, may I join the project? Although I've found out that PCA closing was a joke, I still want to contribute more to the wiki, like I promised:) -- Ŧ∆ķ მ♰§  ƱოΣ  21:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)