Warriors Wiki talk:Charart/Archive 61

Demotion Discussion
Look here to discuss the new idea of demotion. 23:31 Sat Dec 3

Description vs Alternate
I have started a discussion about what warranets an alt and what warrants a tweak. You can check it out here 00:45, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Contest Part Two Voting Now Open!
Go here to cast your vote! Please read the voting rules first, though. :3 00:02, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Macgyver
Does Macgyver get a collar in his chararts? Because he's been seen with one (The Resue manga) and without one. (SkyClan's Destiny Manga) 01:51 Sun Dec 11

Since The Rescue is an offical book manga, and the SkyClan's destiny manga is not as major as the Rescue, I'd think he'd get a collar. Was it every mentioned in the books. I think most of the Daylight-warriors wear collars. 05:26, Thu, Dec, 15, 2011

I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned in the books. But som edaylight warrior, such as Billystorm, don't were collars, so I have no idea. xD 11:20 Thu Dec 15

Okay ^^ fair enough. 05:10, Fri, Dec, 16, 2011

Harveymoon got one for being seen with a collar in the manga. So would Macgyver. =) 18:28, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion to Implement a Screening Process
A project forum has been opened here. Please feel free to join in the discussion. 02:27, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Contest Winners!
Congratulations to Mountainheart and Scarletwind for winning the charart contest! They are truly great charart makers! And a big thanks to everyone else that participated and voted in the contest. :D 04:53, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats Mountainheart and Scarletwind! You both did really well and you deserve it. 05:22, Fri, Dec, 16, 2011

A proposition that may shock you all
I have a feeling that you are either going to love me or receive this with spiteful scorn, but hear me out. I feel as though we should stop doing tweaks for a little bit. Notice how I said a little bit, I'd think maybe a few months. Guys, I do have my reasons and if you will hear me out, I think you might agree. Yes, many of the older images aren't so great, but they're usually for characters that not many people really care about. Characters such as Firestar, Bluestar, and Jayfeather all have wonderful images. I think that that wouldn't be too much of a pressing issue.

Back in ye olden days when I was still an apprentice, PCA seemed to be clam, cool, collected, and a peaceful place. When we had Tweak Week begin, it was fine, but since we've allowed it to go on permanently, I've noticed that tensions seem to be higher and we are at each other's necks for a couple of mousetails (sorry, I just had to :P) And it's all over images that are redone, getting permission or not, wanting to lay claim to your favorite character by any means, not putting a charart you found on the page, ect (no, none of that was directed at anybody. This is just what I've noticed in general). There are very few problems when people simply just do normal, completely new images. Granted, there are occasional squabbles, but they are easily forgiven and forgotten.

In conclusion, I feel that we should take a hiatus from tweaking. We could set a date for when the chararts need to be approved by (or wait until all of the ones on the page are approved, then shut it down for the time being). We don't have to do anything now, that's just my solution. After a few months, we could go back to tweaking images like normal. I just think that some of the lines are very thin and they get crossed very easily, and we just need some time to regather ourselves. So, what are your opinions? I understand if my idea is shot down, but I feel that the project needs its tensions calmed down and this would be one way to remedy that. 05:51, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also, another thing we could do is let all current reservations be put up and approved, but no more may be reserved. Just another suggestion I forgot =P 05:54, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense, Ivy. I've felt the tension too. Since we're in the middle of redoing all the apprentices, dropping some of the stress from our lives wouldn't be so bad, after all, the tweak page is pretty low in activity these days give or take a couple hours. A course, this'd mean that warriors/leads could only have two chararts, having three up might bring on a bit too much stress. - Scarlet   wind    ✧ L i   s a   n n a ✧  05:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Stopping all tweaks sounds extreme, however I can understand why you would say this. The apprentice blanks should be the main focus. But it shouldn't take months for all of the major apprentices to be approved. That seems a bit too long, maybe like two months. That should be enough to approve all of the main characters. After that, it should settle down a little. Also, it might be better to, after current tweaks are approved, take the next five or ten tweak reservations and then cut it off there. I'm a new warrior so my opinion might not be the best. But that's just what I think should happen. 06:26, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know about stopping the tweaks all together.... Like Mountainheart said, it's a bit extreme, but I get what you mean about the tension, and I agree. Maybe we could just make it so we can only make minor tweaks only? No redo or really big tweaks? I don't know, just a thought. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:01, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I have to disagree with this. It goes completely against the Mission of the project: "...all character pages should possess accurate, high quality original art." The tweak page helps ensure that all character pages possess accurate, high quality original art, not just the major characters, or the ones whose pages get visited the most. Sure, this idea is only delaying the Mission, but why wait? For the sake of a few eased tensions over the holidays?

Honestly, the way I see it, it's us to blame (and I mean all of us, not just some people. Myself included.), not the tweak page. If there are squabbles, it's not because of the tweak page existing, it's because we are tense or did something wrong or misconstrued a comment or whatever. We only have ourselves to blame. Now, don't think by saying that, I'm insulting anybody's tempers or forgetfulness or what have you. I'm only saying that by taking the tweak page away, you're not going to solve anything. The tension is just going to leak out somewhere else.

To solve the disputes and arguments and high tensions, what do we then do to cool off? You can't really solve the disputes, arguments, etc. You can only leave them be. If you truly want to help calm down a situation, leave a calming, neutral comment, or, better yet, ignore the dispute. Unless the situation absolutely calls for your two cents, just leave it be. Pretend it never happened. It'll blow over soon enough, and if it gets so heated that people are insulting each other personally, then let a sysop step in and give them 24 hours to cool off.

I kinda went off on a tangent there, but what I'm trying to say is this - the tweak page isn't the source of our problems, it's us, and we just need to calm down and pretend we ain't got a care in the world. That's it. That's all. 10:47 Sun Dec 18

I think we should keep the tweaking. We're trying to get a lot of images done, and imagine if another book comes out, we'd have to do the chararts from that book. -- 13:19, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I agree, let the ones being commented on be finished and we could just chill and relax for awhile, it would give users to actually find chararts that really need to be fixed. 15:45, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I may not be a warrior but we should keep the tweaking. It would be unfair for the page's that need work to be done and finished with amazing and beautiful and very professional looking art for it. And also now it's a lot easier to find charart's to do instead of fighting with other's over one silly image from the newly released book. Like Wild said, it's us that is causing the little fights between us. Would you really stop the tweaking over a few little fights? That, in my book, is a big no-no. PRESENT TIME! Give me them!  16:04, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I think I agree with you, Ivy. I think it would be good if we could keep it cool for a while. Less arguments would be nice. It seems we've had so much tension. And, I completely agree what with Wildheart said up there. ^^ 17:26, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Wildheart, yet I can't quite decide on my "vote." 17:55 Sun Dec 18

I agree with Wildheart. Maybe we could lower the limit on the tweak page and cool down, and in about a months time we'd bring it back up. I don't really see the tweak page very full now though. 05:33, Mon, Dec, 19, 2011

I don't know...I mean i see your reason, and if anythuing, Shelly's Tigerstar Leader image is a good exaple of this but...I also agree with Wildheart...so...i can't say anything about this yet... Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 10:31, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Shredtail and Snowtuft
I was trolling their pages, and in Fading Echoes, Spottedleaf refers to them as rogues. Would that qualify for a rogue charart? Probably a dumb question. Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 01:05, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, it's "Rouges withing their Clans". They were still Clan cat. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 01:16, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

But then she says that they are rogues now. Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 01:19, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

In that sense, all the DF characters should get a rouge charart. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 01:21, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Can you give me an exact quote? I'll tell you what I make out of that. Please and thank you! =) 01:47, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Meh someone else get it please, i dont have that book. Meh. But I read it many times. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 01:54, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's on their pages, main quote from Spottedleaf. (Can't copy paste with this ipod) Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 01:53, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

"They were rogues within their Clans." Actually, there was another part, "They are rouges now." Maybe all DF cats should get rouge images o.o  ~Regifloat222  Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 01:56, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda agree that all DF cats could get rogue chararts, but there is a slight problem with the notion. Not every cat in the DF is there to do harm to their Clan. In fact, most seem to be there simply to be the best warriors they can be, and I don't think that even every dead dark forest cat knows what is going to happen. Yeah, if they're called a rogue, I'd say go ahead and make them a rogue charart, but otherwise let's hold off on making every DF cat a rogue image until the final battle in which we will see whether or not each cat will actually attack their Clan. 01:58, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

How about the actual residents? Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 02:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, well, if someone had just mentioned Snowtuft and Shredtail being rogues, then they would, or if they were just talking about all the DF reseidents, then all the dead cats should get them. The ones they're training shouldn't be, except I think Breezepelt should. 02:05, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe, but... well, that'd be blurring the definition of rogue. A rogue is either an exiled Clan cat or a non-Clan cat that causes problem for the Clans. Just being evil does not equate to rogue. 02:06, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

But Breezepelt does want to cause harm, to his own Clan and another one, and I think he would hurt any cat for a couple of mousetails. 02:08, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, probably. Hmm... it is a conundrum. But he is not exiled. He is part of a Clan still, albiet barely. Think of it like this: Mudclaw was battle hungry as well and probably would have started wars with other Clans if he could have. Heck, he did start a coup. Did that make him a rogue? I don't think so, as he was still part of WindClan. 02:12, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say no, Spottedleaf was probally taking about the other rogue, which ment that they were ot fully trusted by their clanmates (?). It would be like all ThunderClan cats would get a ThunderClan charart, which doesn't make sence, since the blanks are for different ranks of clans. <span style="">05:37, Mon, Dec, 19, 2011

What if (I'm totally making an open suggestion, by all means, disagree with it :3) we made apprentice, warrior and possibly leader Dark Forest lineart? Because, it's practically a united group, and they refer to themselves s apprentices and warriors, and they basically have a clan of their own at night. I mean, the lineart could be cats looking extremely menacing and evil, or fighting, or something. But it would, again, prove as a lot of extra work again. I dunno, your thoughts? 22:36, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. It isn't an official clan. They're all still Clan cats. 00:13, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Well i was just wondering, because they will have a lot of importance in the next book, and they have had increasing importance before that. But that's fine, I was just suggesting. 00:33, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

They are referred to as "clanmates". I thought that I'd put that in, as I have no official siding, yet. 00:35, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they are, good point Twi. 01:26, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, well, I don't think it'd necessitate new blanks, but since cats such as Brokenstar and Tigerstar are treated as the leaders, they should retain their leader images. Some cats (I can't remember who) gets treated as a leader as well, and that could warrant a pixil for them. The ones who are apprentices (such as Hollowflight) would retain their warrior image as I feel their waking world rank should take presidence over their rank in the dream world. Though we would probably have to decide it by forum, but since they consider themselves Clanmates, I feel their images should be taken into account. 01:31, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

But if we made them different linearts just for calling themselves "Clanmates," would we not have to make different linearts for every Clan? They call all of their Clanmates Clanmates. I'd imagine just a rogue would do, since that's what they are. Breeze whisker  01:36, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd think all the Dead DF cats are clanmates already, except for the ones from the actual clans. <span style="">04:58, Tue, Dec, 20, 2011

And, here is something i wanna point out. What if we don't know the ranks? How can we make the blanks, if we don't know what ranks they all are? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 17:09, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

We're not making new blanks! Everyone seems to be missing my point. I said we should put them in the blank they act as when they died, such as Mapleshade being with the leaders and acting like one, but it would use the leader blank, not a new one. 18:02, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

So would that warrant that Yellowfang and Spottedleaf and Lionheart or the other cats in StarClan get leader blanks, because they are sort of like the leaders compared to the other StarClan cats, with the prophecy thing and the big battle against the Dark Forest. <span style="">23:55, Sat, Dec, 24, 2011

Great, now that we know that this is over with, no new blanks and no rouge images, can we archrive this and be DONE with this drama? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 00:05, December 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, DJ, there are/is no leader(s) in StarClan. <span style="">02:29 Mon Dec 26

Taking break
I bet no one's going to look at this... I'm taking a break from PCA and the wiki for an unknown time. I might come around and leave a few comments or make a few edits, but that's it. Bye bye. 20:43, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Aww~ D'= Bye, Moonleaf. Come back soon. 20:44, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

FFFFU- EDIT CONFLICT! Aw well, see ya when you get back! xD - 20:46, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Aww. Bye Moonleaf! May StarClan grant you moons of rest. - Scarlet   wind    ✧ L i   s a   n n a ✧  20:49, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

By Moonleaf. Good luck! <span style="">22:23 Mon Dec 19

May StarClan light your path <3 <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">F <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">i <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">s <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">t <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Green>Merry Christmas & Hannukah to all!  23:46, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I thought no one cared about me... 00:16, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

We luff you Moonleaf! ♥ <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6" style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">F <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">i <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">e <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">s <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">t <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Green>Merry Christmas & Hannukah to all!  00:17, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

That is total rubbish...of course we care about you! I'll miss you as well! 00:18, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Vy are you leavung us? <3 :(     (Why are you leaving us?)      Good bye. <span style="">05:04, Tue, Dec, 20, 2011

Aww...ciao Moonleaf. ): And for the record, I care. :) 18:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Nuuuuuu, why? *Has dramatic break down.* Bye D; Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 18:18, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Bye Moonleaf, we'll miss you! 05:20, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Later, Moonleaf. Take care, and stalk us when you can. =3 22:40, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Shredtail and Silverhawk
OK, so, if they were said to be the same cat, would they get an alt. to look like the other cat? Just curious. Bluestar11796 02:20, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I wouldnt think so. Their were mistaken identity, not pelt description or anything. - 02:23, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

If so, Bluestar would need one for being called Snowfur. It's just a typo. 02:24, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

If we were to do that, I don't think we'd need a whole approval process, because we can just use the same image that the other character has and put it onto another file (File:Bluestar.warrior.alt2.png) and we'd just put it on the page, because it would be the exact same image as the character's. <span style="">22:58, Fri, Dec, 23, 2011

Flowerstem/star's colors
It says she'sginger....but....she looks brown tabby and white....should we tweak her colors to look ginger? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 03:09, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

They look like dark ginger to me. We could ginger-ify them a little if it's that bit of a deal 05:09, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

They're definitely dark ginger, and personally I really like them that way. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:29, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

They look ginger, kind of like a duller version of Brightheart. 18:23, December 20, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

UserName Change
I am Spottedleaf123, and I recently changed my name, so I did not know if a new topic was needed, but I added it. So, whenever a lead gets a chance, could you fix it? If you look at the chart, I was already in the project. a cat ♥  named Cheshire  Most Everyone's Mad Here... 02:28, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Name change! You mean username. ;) 02:32, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes. a cat ♥  named Cheshire  Most Everyone's Mad Here... 03:08, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Well nice to meet you again, Chesire/Spotted. :3 <span style="">4:34 AM, Wed Dec 21, 2011

Can I join?
Can I join as someone's apprentice?

Tigerheart273 16:48, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, but apply here to apply for a mentor. Please read the guidelines and look at the tutorials before commenting or posting a charart. Welcome to PCA, and thank you for your interest in joining. 02:11, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request
May I join?<font color="Red" style="background;none"> When darkness turns to light... <font color="Red" style="background;none"><font color="black" style="background;none">I come a callin' 15:25, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, but apply here to apply for a mentor. Please read the guidelines and look at the tutorials before commenting and please practice making chararts before trying to make one for the project. Welcome to PCA! I also ask that you please fix your signature, as it's turning the page red. 14:49, December 23, 2011 (UTC)