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LionClan/TigerClan
This is something I have noticed and thought I should bring it up here. On most character pages, TigerClan and LionClan are both listed as affiliations. In my opinion, LionClan should not be listed as an affiliation. The reasoning behind my point is, ThunderClan and WindClan were both members of LionClan. However, they never lived in the same place, shared prey, patrolled borders together, or do anything that a regular Clan would do. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but they "made" themselves LionClan the day before the battle against BloodClan. So, the question is, should LionClan be listed as a past affiliation? I am looking for opinions from all users.

Another thing, on the articles, Darkstripe and Whitestorm, the current affiliations are TigerClan and LionClan, respectively. This is listed that way, because they died during the battle. However, should that be included in the articles? Personally, I think that Whitestorm's should be changed to ThunderClan, but keep Darkstripe's the same, for the same reasoning as above.

Also, one more thing! :) Should we include Category:LionClan (Modern) Cat and Category:TigerClan (Modern) Cat on character articles? I think we should, because that is showing which side they fought on during the battle.

So, please list your opinions for each of these items. I hope to come to a consenus soon. 00:23, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. LionClan shouldn't be listed as an affiliation. They were basically two Clans formed together to just destroy TigerClan and BloodClan--basically almost like an ally. And we should include the category on character articles. Basically agreeing with eveything you said. XD 00:27, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. I forgot this detail. :) And I do believe that Whitestorm's death should be changed to ThunderClan--as he was technically fighting for ThunderClan. I can't honestly explain it, but it's pretty much the same thing you said. XD 03:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Since the two concepts are kind of inseparable, we should either mention both or none in the allegiances. I vote for none, as these were alliances and not real Clans, even if they lived and acted so for a short while. Technically, the cats did not leave their Clans to willingly join a new Clan. As for the categories, they are redundant as they pretty much just duplicate the allegiances of Shadow+River and Thunder+Wind. 10:36, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think that modern LionClan and TigerClan should not be counted as real "Clans". Not only because of Whitestorm's good points, but also because modern LionClan and TigerClan actually existed for an incredibly short time. They were barely mentioned after the battle with BloodClan anyway. Like Helix says, it's either mention both or mention none-and I think mentioning neither is more reasonable.

As for Darkstripe and Whitestorm, I believe Whitestorm's should definitely be changed to ThunderClan and Darkstripe's should be kept the same, because of what Whitestorm said and also because Darkstripe really isn't considered to be loyal to ThunderClan-and definitely not to their leader, Firestar, as shown in the books.

For the category thing, I disagree with Whitestorm. The categories do not show which side they fought on during the battle because modern LionClan and TigerClan never actually fought against each other. Remember, after Tigerstar died, Leopardstar and RiverClan joined with Firestar and Tallstar, and Tigerstar's followers, like Darkstripe, for example, went to join with Scourge. So my point is, the sides were the allied Clans and BloodClan, not modern LionClan and TigerClan. So I don't think those should be counted as categories.

Sorry for the lengthy opinions. :) But that's what I think. 01:46, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

The LionClan category would go for almost any cat that participated in the battle, with the exception of Tigerstar, Darkstripe and BloodClan. So, I agree with Midnitesky. The only cats that should have it listed in the allegiances are Tigerstar and Darkstripe. 20:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

If we get rid of the categories, we are getting rid of almost any mention of TigerClan and LionClan on the articles, except in the history. I think the categories should stay, because they are still needed. By the allegiances, do you mean the affie and past affie? Also, Helix, I understand what you mean by it should stay consistent. However, if my memory serves me correctly, TigerClan lived together for about a moon. That may be incorrect, but that's what I remember. 22:18, November 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Whitestorm. We shouldn't fully get rid of the categories--they should be used. Midnitesky: We should keep the categories because, yes, they did 'switch' sides, but it resembles which side they had originally fought on-my opinion. :) I'm actually torn between Midnitesky's thoughts and Whitestorms. Either way would be fine to me. But I would probably prefer to go 'against' Midnite's idea. 05:22, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

After reading Whitestorm and Frostheart's ideas, I would like to change my opinion about the categories, as I see it has some problems. As Whitestorm said, getting rid of the categories gets rid of almost all references to LionClan and TigerClan. I now understand they are part of the Clans' history and the way they came to be and deserve to be mentioned and have their own category. But if we do have those two categories, I would like it if they weren't portrayed as actual "sides" in a fight, because they never were. LionClan and TigerClan were allied groups led by different leaders of the four Clans. They never were any sides in a battle.

You see, that's what I dislike. Probably half the users here think that LionClan and TigerClan fought against each other and LionClan won. However, there never was a battle. LionClan and TigerClan simply represented two alliances of Clans.

Now, portraying these two groups incorrectly is like this: (Ex: In Firestar's article) "He led LionClan into the battle against TigerClan and rose victoriously." The two categories shown like this would be historically incorrect.

So, my conclusion? The two categories existing are fine, and should exist-as long as they aren't mentioned as "sides" in a battle. :) -- 12:38, November 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's true. LionClan and TigerClan never properly fought together, but it was intended (until Scourge killed Tigerstar). Anyways, I'm guessing that Midnite meant that we keep everyone in RiverClan and ShadowClan in the category of TigerClan? I was a 'bit confused on that, as you weren't clear enough (for me).

I think that we should keep the TigerClan category to all the RiverClan and ShadowClan cats that had participated. What makes me 'wonder' is that are we going to add LionClan's category and pastaffie to everyone? I don't think so because after Scourge killed Tigerstar, I think of it as just all the forest-cats battling BloodClan. 14:58, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I did mean that-the RiverClan and ShadowClan cats are part of TigerClan, and the ThunderClan and WindClan cats are part of LionClan (with the exception of Darkstripe and some others). As for your second question, Frostheart, I agree with you. Cats such as Mistystar were in RiverClan, but fought with the other Clans against BloodClan. -- 21:23, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

Midnite: Yes, it should never be listed that way, as they fought against each other.

I'm not sure what to do about the LionClan affie, in my opninion, it should just be removed, as it can't be added to every single article that fought in the battle. However, I think that the TigerClan affie should still remain on articles. 00:25, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

I do not personally wish to remove the LionClan affie completely. Just keep them to ThunderClan and WindClan. 00:28, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Like Frostheart, I think that the LionClan affiliation should not be removed. It's just as important as the TigerClan affie, and the two are good existing together. But that's just my opinion. :) -- 01:21, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so if we are not going to remove the LionClan affie at all, then Whitestorm's should be changed to LionClan. 17:45, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, it seems sensible to me. 16:17, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

No, it doesn't, to me. That's why I think we should remove the LionClan affie completely, and keep Whitestorm's page the same. 02:50, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say we should just have them under Past Affiliations, as no dead cat is a current member of either. -- 22:18, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but whatever affiliation the character died in, is always listed as their current affie. 21:48, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

We need to reach a conclusion. What should it be? 01:39, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

I vote for Clan cats who died during the battle, to be listed as LionClan or TigerClan as their current affie. 05:24, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Squirrelflight - Silver Nomination
I checked the quality articles and Squirrelflight's talk page, and she isn't silver yet. I'm surprised, honestly. Thoughts? 04:47, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could Starlight and Sunset be expanded any more? 11:43, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed so; in Starlight the exploring the lake could be expanded (such as when she enters the garden of Jake and Susan), and later his arguments with Brambleclaw and growing closer to Ashfur. In Sunset, the vision of the pawprints and some patrols / battles can be added. Otherwise, it is excellent; congrats to all contributors working on it. :) 13:45, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I expanded the two books. 15:25, November 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great; I'm supporting. 21:13, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Could the ShadowClan warrior mentioned near the end in Squirrelflight's section for The Sight be identified? Otherwise, she looks marvelous! Supporting. ^-^ -- 00:29, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

I looked for it and I can't find it. I'm not sure if it can't be identified, or if I can't find it. 15:41, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Could Dark River be expanded anymore? 02:15, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Dark River. 03:02, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

That looks better. It will be awhile before this makes it up to the top, but when Night Whispers comes out, make sure the history is added to the article. :) 22:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Are you still working on this Frostheart? 22:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I am working on this. I am trying to get information about her in NW. 23:00, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I think I finished the NW section. 15:28, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine. Comments before the vote? 21:58, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 23:33, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Crookedstar- Gold Nomination
Thoughts? It looks pretty good. 00:52, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

When i had this up for gold it needed to link properly to vicky's facebook page, and thats still not ready. 01:39, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by that, Iceheart? 01:43, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

They mean that last time this was up for nomination, the citation for Willowbreeze as mate was to Vicky's Facebook Page, but there was no link. As of right now, I am not sure what the status is about linking to her page. I will try to check it out, but I doubt that a link can be found. I will reply back here, once I find something out. :) 02:25, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Even if it would have to be found, I couldn't do it, since I do not have a facebook account. 02:57, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Could Into the Wild be expanded? If not, Crookedstar looks good for gold. :) -- 20:24, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Into the Wild. 02:41, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

He looks good to me, nice job Frostheart! I support! River pelt Just go with the flow. 04:26, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Anything I can do? 18:01, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

The facebook links still need to be done. 23:26, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said before, I do not have a facebook account. Could anyone help me with that? 01:19, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to contact Bramble, and see what the final decision about Facebook links were. I will reply here when I find out what she says. :) 18:12, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, the Facebook link would have expired by now, so it is fine the way it is. 22:21, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before the vote? 21:48, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. It will remain up for no less than one week. 21:25, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Spiderleg ~ Silver Nomination
Well, he hasn't been up for a while, and I've expanded pretty much everything. So anything need fixing? River pelt Just go with the flow. 02:50, November 20, 2010 (UTC)﻿

Wow! I can tell you've been working really hard on this Riverpelt! ;) Everything looks great, but he needs a main quote. Can you find one? -- 03:09, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sure! I'll find one as soon as I can. And thanks! =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 03:22, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the flow, since most of the sections had 3 or 4 'enters' in-between, which was way too much. Yes, it needs one more quote. Can Firestar's Quest or Midnight be expanded? If not, it looks great. 04:36, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good to me-- 07:08, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

I fixed some of the indentation, because I think you left out some bullets, Frsotheart. ;) Also, could the flow of Twilight and Sunset be fixed? I was reading through it, and it is very hard to read because it goes like this; "Spiderleg fetched prey. Then, Spiderleg went to sleep. Cloudtail woke Spiderleg up and went on the dawn patrol." There is no real sense of time in the paragraphs. Also, all of NP needs to be made into present tense. Sorry about all these comments but they nedd to be done. :) 14:19, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Whitestorm, I'll get them fixed! =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 15:41, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think I fixed your problems, Whitestorm, and I'll check it to make sure I did fix it. As for Frostheart's comments, Midnight cannot be expanded anymore, but I'll check about Firestar's Quest. Once I'm done with that I'll find a main quote like Midnitesky asks. =) River pelt Just go with the flow. 16:22, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

The part in Dawn where Shrewpaw dies needs to be expanded. I'm sure Spiderpaw was there, or at least mentioned. 17:29, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

His Night Whispers section must also be acceptable before he may be granted silver status. 02:42, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I just got Night Whispers, so I'll work on Spiderleg and then I'll fix Graystripe and put him back up for Gold. River pelt Just go with the flow. 21:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Dawn can't be expanded anymore, it's strange that Spiderpaw wasn't even mentioned in Shrewpaw's death, since that's his brother, but, currently I'm working on Night Whispers. River pelt  00:53, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I've finished his Night Whispers history, and he doesn't appear much sadly =/. River pelt  20:49, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine. Comments before the vote? 23:49, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. There are two nominations on the forum due to the fact that this has been up for vote once and did not pass. Please cast your votes under the Second Nomination heading. 16:24, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Littlecloud - Silver Nomination
I know he needs a lot of work, but I'm enthusiastic to do it. :) I also added a main quote. Comments? -- 01:30, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Most of the sections can be expanded. Can you find 2 more quotes? If not, at least one. 01:36, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Be prepared to put a lot of work into his Night Whispers section once it is released. Since parts of the book are in Flametail's point of view, Littlecloud should have a fairly major role. 02:51, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

He needs a Dawn section. Unless you already did that? He appears quite a lot in that book, I don't know why no one's added it. 02:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

A lot in Dawn? Really. I've checked the Cliffnotes, and he appears once, when the traveling herb leftovers are given to ShadowClan. I've added a Dawn section, but unfortunately, I don't have the books, so I can't check. Are you sure about that, Oblivion? Oh, and thanks for the reminder, Moonflight. :) Night Whispers comes out tomorrow, and I hope I can get a copy by the weekend. Better get to work on his other sections. ^_^ -- 20:33, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I've created Fire and Ice and Forest of Secrets sections for him, expanded most of NP, and a bit of OS. I'll clean up the rest of OS, PO3, OTS, and find two quotes when I get time. :) -- 21:16, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Most of the sections could still be expanded. 05:19, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure. He was mentioned quite a few times in Dawn; I searched his name and it came up a lot. 12:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Really. Well, I'll have to get a copy soon and find out. And Frostheart, I'll expand his sections as soon as I can. :) -- 02:38, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about Dawn. I completed it. Just make sure all the rest of the sections are fixed; they are not as expanded as they can possibly be. 19:00, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Moonflight. *gapes at Littlecloud's page* Thanks! ^_^ I'll expand his sections as soon as I can get the books. -- 20:27, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Added 3 quotes. Night Whispers is full of them. :) -- 18:06, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded NW section slightly. His other sections (excluding Fire and Ice, Forest of Secrets, Dawn, NW, etc.) still need some expansion and I'll get to work on that soon. :) -- 18:14, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, his NW section is pretty much finished. I've expanded Moonrise, Sunset, The Sight, Dark River, and Eclipse. He needs more work, and I'll get it done one I get the books. =) -- 23:55, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I've pretty much expanded most of his sections. Are there any other sections that need work? -- 15:49, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps Starlight and Long Shadows. Everything else is fine, though, well done. :) 02:11, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Frostheart. ^_^ Long Shadows is expanded. I'll get to Starlight, too. -- 20:15, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe~Gold Nomination
Well, he was up, but I finished his Night Whispers section, so anymore things to fix? River pelt Just go with the flow. 21:59, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Warriors Return could be expanded a bit more. Other than that, supporting. It looks great!-- 06:40, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Warriors Return. Anything else? Oh and thanks Nightshine! =D River pelt Just go with the flow. 15:42, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Can The Darkest Hour, Moonrise, and Outcast be expanded? 15:43, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

He looks super! But there's something going on for the ref for his quotes, can you fix it? ^.^ -- 18:19, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking the ref, you mean the book name? XD If so, I fixed that. 22:02, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Frostheart, and I'll check about the Darkest Hour, Moonrise ans Outcast. River pelt  22:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, expanded The Darkest Hour, but Moonrise and Outcast are expanded to their points. River pelt  01:55, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, supporting 19:41, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Expand Midnight, Dawn, and Dark River. Very nice work, Riverpelt! 00:00, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Dark River and Dawn can't be expanded anymore, but I expanded Midnight. And thanks Frostheart! River pelt  02:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wolfheart~ Silver Nomination
Lets get all the siblings silver XD. But i worked on her and she looks good. 01:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I know; I got Emberstar and Duststar Silver and I'm working on Holly and White now. X3 Fantastic! Supporting. -- 18:16, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

She needs a main quote-- 21:01, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

The quote at the bottom of her page is the only thing she says, and i didn't really find anything worth making the main quote. But i'm looking for suggestions. 23:39, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

If you cannot find another quote, supporting. 03:37, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comments before vote? 01:14, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Vote is up. 21:15, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Spottedpelt - Silver Nomination
Not much to add, is there? 21:45, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, you're right, Moonflight. But her article's quality is fantastic! Supporting. ^_^ -- 00:58, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

I group referenced it for you. :) Supporting. 22:51, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I support as well. Comments before the vote? River pelt  02:25, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Buzzardkit - Silver Nomination
Buzzardkit...not much to it. Comments? 22:09, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Supporting =) -- 00:59, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

That's an odd article. It looks fine, though. 22:53, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Wetfoot - Silver Nomination
I think he looks good. 03:37, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't he have some quotes? 03:45, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

He doesn't exactly say much. 03:48, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Okay then he looks good. Supporting. 04:28, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Can Forest of Secrets be expanded just a tad more? If not, supporting. 02:05, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Good job. Supporting -- 21:51, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

I think he should have some quotes, even if they aren't that good, try to find at least one. Also, in Into the Wild, it says he makes an appearance, but doesn't explain what. Could you add that part in? Also, yes, Forest of Secrets could be expanded. 23:09, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Into the Wild could be expanded a tad more. 22:12, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sparrowfeather - Silver Nomination
I gave her some quotes. Thoughts? 03:50, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Can you find one more quote? 15:44, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

No, check for yourself, she says literally nothing but "sorry". 00:54, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, supporting. 02:04, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic, Oblivion. Supporting. =) -- 21:50, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Can Night Whispers be expanded anymore? 23:41, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. 22:22, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me then! Supporting. River pelt  01:32, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Jumpfoot - Silver Nomination
Comments? -- 21:37, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Can Code of the Clans be expanded anymore? All the major details are there, however, can you add some minor ones, describing about the queens and why Mossfire and what not. :3 21:46, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Done. I also added some other details that were left out before. =) -- 20:42, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed a spelling mistake on one of the quotes, but he looks good to me. =) River  pelt  01:31, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mumblefoot ~ Silver Nomination
I added two quotes, and I think his page looks good. Comments? River pelt  01:20, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

The first paragraph of BP is kind of confusing. Try to smooth that out a bit. Also, expand a bit more on his life-giving to Bluestar. 01:47, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Tried my best to smooth out the first paragraph, and added more to his life-giving. River pelt  01:26, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Flowerstem - Silver Nomination
Looks good. Comments? 15:51, December 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you find another quote for her? 22:09, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. 22:52, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed a few things with the grammer, and one thing was repeated twice, so I took it out. She looks good to me. River pelt  01:33, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Gorseclaw - Silver Nomination

 * He looks good, I added a main quote. Other than that he doesn't even say anything. Comments? 22:35, December 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can there be another quote or two? River  pelt  01:19, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually know, there is only one page that he is on, and I believe he only says one thing. 01:49, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay then, he looks good to me other than that. River  pelt  20:19, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Crowfur - Silver Nomination
I added quotes and made sure everything was good. Comments?-- 07:24, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

He looks good. Supporting. River pelt  20:22, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

One-eye - Silver Nomination
I cleaned up her article, added quotes, and added all of her appearances from the books. I think it looks good now, comments?-- 02:47, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Can the Forest of Secrets or The Darkest Hour be expanded? River pelt  15:42, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I looked through Forest of Secrets and she is only seen those few times, I'll look into The Darkest Hour -- 20:15, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I added a bit more to the Darkest Hour, there wasn't much-- 20:54, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Shredtail - Silver Nomination
He never says anything in the books, so I made that one quote said by Spottedleaf the main quote. I also added the trivia bit in about his tail -- 02:59, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Can Fading Echoes be expanded? 05:14, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Not really, that's pretty much all that he's seen doing-- 05:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

If you're sure then, supporting. 05:25, December 12, 2010 (UTC)