Warriors Wiki talk:World

Red Text on timeline
So I was on the Timeline page and I was wondering why exactly the big bold red text is up there saying the page is undergoing editing. The reasons I got on chat didn't really make sense to me. One was that it's constantly being edited as the books come out, but so are half the character articles. Why put it on only here? And another was that it's to scare off the n00bs who'd majorly mess up the code, and if that's the case, couldn't there be a cleaner way to do it? Like small italics, or some of that hidden text on the page (which I think it might actually already have) or even just locking the page to anons? The big red text just makes it look messy, unfinished, and slightly n0by in my honest opinion. So is there any chance of it being changed? It's been here for over a year (at least as long as I've been here) and I've always hated it. 02:28, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I think we should delete it. There is already a "comment" in there saying: Do NOT edit the timeline unless you know what you are doing!. Sounds clear to me. I'll go and delete the red bold text if no one else has any objections. I also think locking the page to anons is a good idea. (Both timelines) 02:56, 09, 03, 2012

Okay, let's take this from the perspective of a new user. Honestly, I did not read the notes at the top of the page, nor did I really take notice of any warning. Like always, we assume good faith in the edits made though, I feel like the red text is an eye popper. Let's take Brightheart for example. There is a note saying that we should not change the eye color as it's the only one we have a cite for. Anons and new users alike still try to change the eye color whether they are just trying to provoke us, or they really didn't read the note, and by assuming good faith, we can take it as they didn't read the note. I don't know, I would honestly rather find way to switch it rather than delete it all together. Locking the page is unnecessary, the history of the page shows only 10 edits undone. I would not put a protection on the page due to assumptions of edit wars when the past shows none of that. 05:10, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Atelda's point is good. Unless we add notes in the article everywhere, how can we fix it? Any ideas? 01:22, 11, 03, 2012

I think that the red text should be deleted. When I joined the wiki, I once wanted to edit the page (trying to add something to the events), and I was scared to edit it. I don't want others to feel that way. This is a wiki, we need to assume good faith, and the text symbolizes to new users that they cannot edit the article. At least, that's what I thought a long time ago. And plus, if somebody does make a bad-faith edit (or simply, a mistake), then we can revert it. That's what we've got rollbackers for, and even, any other user. 18:40, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Good point Stoney. If a new user has something they want to add to the timeline (factual), there shouldn't be any grudges against them. Everyone here was once a new user, and if you look at some of the great contributers on this wiki, it's hard to imagine that they were once one of us. Anons are different, they might have been contributing here for ages, but until they make an account, they are still considered an anonymous user. No one has the right to be threatened by a bold, big, red text on timeline pages. 01:19, 17, 03, 2012

I mean...honestly. It says that the article is undergoing editing. There are plenty of other articles that need to be worked on (all, actually, just some more than others), and those articles don't need the big red text saying that the article is undergoing editing. So, there's no actual good point for having it there, at least that's my opinion. =/

Also, if the text is there to warn n00bs of editing it, we're pretty much assuming bad-faith when it even isn't needed. So, we're assuming that any n00b (that we haven't seen edit, so we can't assume anything right away) will mess up coding. Calling someone "N00b" and "newbie" means that that person is new, not a person who doesn't know things. I'm pretty sure that it should be removed, y'know, just incase it's scaring off a newer user (New users can be helpful? Who says they can't be?), and that's not the way it should work in a wiki. 02:30, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that we could take the text off for a while, maybe a fortnight-3 weeks (if no major problems occur), and see how it goes. If we need to keep revert edits by anons and new users, or any user in general, then we can put the text back up. Otherwise, we can just leave it as it is. Opinions? 06:21, 23, 03, 2012

I don't necessarily believe that we're scaring off new users nor do I believe that we are we assuming bad faith by having it there. The text doesn't say not to edit, but instead is meant to be a precaution to those who do wish to edit it. And by precaution, it's just informing the user of the amount of coding within the article itself. I do agree, however, that the text may be a bit much. I'm all in favor of replacing it. It's overall not a real target for vandal activity. 01:59, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this topic? 03:15, 06, 04, 2012

SkyClan - Silver Nomination
It's been quite a while since I've nominated something in this project. Anyways, comments? 21:38, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Can ya add more references to the description. This looks great. 21:40, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, just add more references in total. Awesome job on the history. 23:58, 17, 03, 2012

Dx Didn't know how long I took on this...but I edited it over sporadic periods of time. Added few references, really all I need to do is finish Beyond the Code and do After the Flood. Other than that, comments? 02:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Finish the rest of the SkyClan and the Stranger book sections, other than that, I see nothing wrong with it! 01:40, 07, 04, 2012

A template for Nursery
I made a template for a project :O. Jokes aside, I created this template for the Nursery page. The purpose was just to simplify the coding and I think I achieved it. I'm also pretty sure it works, I tried it out here. The explanation of the implementation is also there. If the community agrees, this can be made into an official template, and used on the page.

Kind regards, 09:21, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

That looks really good Lightning. It makes it much easier to use/edit, expecially with users who haven't got much experience with WikiCode. If possible, could you make it stand out more where the new Queen starts, if you know what I mean. Otherwise, thank you for your hard work! 06:16, 23, 03, 2012

Thanks, and I think I can make the border thicker, but the code as it is is an exact copy of the code on the Nursery page, so I'll prefer keeping it that way. I'll make an official template and add it in, then.. 20:13, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea for the page. It'd be organized and easy to edit. 12:29, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

Windover Road vs. Thunderpath
Should we consider a merge? Windover Road is incomplete, and all its information is covered in Thunderpath. It says on the former's talk page that a merge should be considered, so where do you all stand on this? 20:40, March 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think that it should be merged. Thunderpath should probably get a section called "Windover Road" but I don't think a whole page for Windover Road is necessary.

I am agreeing to this as well. It doesn't have much detail to it, and it would make a good little addition to the Thunderpath page =3 00:10, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mmhmm. I gotta gree to this as well. Everything's been stated above. ^^ 00:12, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm agreeing here. However, there it is stated already on the Thunderpath page under In the Forest about Windover Road, so I'm not quite sure about adding a new section called "Windover Road". 03:11, 26, 03, 2012

Battles
Hi! I'm not in this project, but I'd like to propose a revamp of the Battles page. It's rather plain, it's a stub, it has a lot of problems with it...

Anyway, I think the page could be better if broken up into sections: one for battles with other animals, one for small skirmishes, and one for full-scale battles (the names of the sections would probably be better if someone else came up with them ^^; ). I think that each of the major battles could be described in more detail, in fact all of the battles could, with lists in said descriptions of who died in the battles and who won. For example:

BloodClan vs. LionClan

Build-up

Tigerstar, having brought BloodClan into the forest in order to drive out any cats that opposed him, is killed by Scourge when he attempts to order BloodClan to attack. Scourge then delivers an ultimatum to the Clans, ordering them to leave the forest in three days or die. Firestar unites the four Clans into LionClan in order to combat the threat.

Battle

(description of the battle here, I can't be bothered to type it)

Deaths


 * Whitestorm
 * Firestar (one life)
 * Scourge
 * Bone
 * Darkstripe
 * etc

Victor

LionClan

How does this sound to everyone? I think it could help the page greatly. 01:38, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

It would be a good idea to revamp the Battles page. I'd be in favor of doing this, however, shouldn't we specify the battle (the heading with: BloodClan vs. LionClan). Do you think it'd look strange with headings like "RiverClan vs. ThunderClan" all over the page? 02:06, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the smaller border skirmishes would get entire sections to themselves. Just one big section devoted to them and going over when they happen in each book, as the article is set up now, and another section for battles against other cats and animals. Hmm. 01:59, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

So then we'd have two sections for the battles, and then what about when they take place? Would that go under "Battle" or "Build up" or how would that go even with the occasional two battles in a book. 02:08, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that since this is a world article we can jsut have the pages they take place on in a citation. We can also have a page citation for each death. 02:13, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea, it would be good to give the page a revamp. The way Shelly out the LionClan Vs TigerClan battle looked good to me. So we would just edit the page as it currently is to only show minor battles/border skirmishes and add new sections for battles against other animals and Major battles, right? And in replace of "In the Books", we'd add "Minor Battles" or something. I agree we could just do page citations. 05:58, 02, 04, 2012

Lightning agreed to make a template for this if you guys are fine with the idea. 20:15, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, Lightning can do the template. ^_^ 01:44, 03, 04, 2012

If I'm going to actually comment on a project section, I suppose I should start with World....lol. Okay, sure I can try to make a template, but what exactly is it supposed to look like? Is it an infobox? Or is it something like the Prey template? A little information would be useful, you know......lol Regards, 13:08, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I dunno. Not like the prey page, no, because this concept's a bit different... hmm... How about something similar to the events timeline, sans the birth column? The first two columns could be for... uhg, let me try this.

How's that? Of course, things like victor and deaths would need to be cited. 02:43, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

That's really good, Shelly. You make me wonder why you asked me to do anything when you're fine on your own =O lol. Anyway, made a couple of changes:

Regards, 13:27, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ohh, that's perfect! But is the drop-down necessary? I think compressing the page is unneeded. 21:31, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Also, if we're going to put the book title above the template, we might as well replace the book title inside the template with the page numbers for the battle instead. :3 21:32, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow. I forgot that lol. And as for the dropdown, well my idea was like this. Also "streeeeetched it", to quote Paleh, but I'll change it back if it's better the other way:

Regards, 09:19, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Looks great to me. I see nothing left to change. 20:43, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I feel like the battle area would get extensively long, compared to the rest of the boxes...but perhaps that's just me. { 21:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

That's a great template Lightning. Yes, I agree with Atelda, it does seem like the Battle section will get quite long. Maybe make the build-up section smaller (thinner) and the Battle section bigger (wider) so there's more room to add the description. <span style="">03:23, 06, 04, 2012

Done. 03:46, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, check implementation here. Regards, 12:48, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, with that taken care of, I think the page is ready to be redone. Happy editing! 18:23, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

The template to use on the page is here, so we can start revamping it! <span style="">05:49, 08, 04, 2012

Clan Meeting Shadowclan Call
Should I add the call for Shadowclan that Blackstar used in Night Whispers to start a meeting on page 62. Or is it just a call he used.

One More Thing
Hi, me again. :3

I have just one more thing I'd like to propose. I think that the pages for each Clan should all have a main quuote about them. From the guide books we could find plenty. It may seem superfluous, but I think that finding quotes that could sum up each Clan would add some interest to the articles. 04:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

That would make sense to me. It'd enhance the articles too. 19:39, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. <span style="">01:33, 08, 04, 2012

Well, to try it out I've placed a quote on ShadowClan's page. What do you guys think? I think quotes such as the one I chose ought to be placed on the other Clan pages (except I'm too lazy at the moment to go find more). 05:55, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the quotes given by the leaders in SotC when they describe their Clans? 15:05, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

That could be good. Could you list them off? (Doesn't have SotC) 16:53, April 8, 2012 (UTC)