Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Cause of death
Cause of death in the charcat template is extremely redundant - it is listed there twice. Perhaps maybe we can add a "personal detail / personal information" section, and underneath add "cause of death" and "age" (if applicable?) 03:41, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. I like the idea of a personal detail section which would cover those, although I'm unsure how it would exactly work out since that would mean editing all the dead cats who appear.

03:45, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

use "biographical information" =P also, it wouldn't really need to be edited en masse, since I'm pretty sure that when we edit the template, everything else gets modified along with it. The only way we'd need to edit anything on the articles is if we're changing input names. (  03:50, 5/07/2018  ) ​ (  03:50, 5/07/2018  ) ​

Should we also note the second cause of death- such as Mapleshade killing Spottedleaf, Ivypool killing Antpelt? Or link it in the trivia? I also agree with what is said above. Needletail 🐾 #Litten 03:54, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

I do think we could add the second death. It is just as important as the first death, since the characters are gone forever. I agree with the above too - merging age and cause of death together, since we removed the post-death residence information.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  07:50, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Id really like to join Spinestar

Late to discussion, but I agree about adding second cause of death. It could be called "death in the afterlife" or something like that.

Any more comments? 14:01, May 17, 2018 (UTC)

Manual of style article
Was not sure where to put this, so I just wanted to start here, even though this would apply to all projects. I was thinking we could perhaps start a manual of style policy. I plan on drafting one later today or perhaps tomorrow, and I would like to show everyone. 08:40, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

Okaaaay, so I'm not sure how qualified I am to talk on here considering I'm not a part of project characters, but I think Raelic tried to make one when we had a huge craze of making new rules in late February - early March-ish. I remembered it as a barebones skeleton but now that I check it doesn't look half bad. I think her version is a little too convoluted but maybe some editing along with meshing it up with your original draft might be good?

Also bad shilling here because haha yes I wrote a manual of style draft during that craze for like one night and never touched it again.

so tl;dr: good idea. some other people and that i mean two counting myself have tried this before and you might get some ideas from them for your own draft --

Yours looks really great. Do you mind if we use that for some of it? 09:08, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

sure, go ahead! --

And Breezey's does too. Maybe we can use hers as a general style, while mine is used for a more detailed one? 09:37, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

sounds good to me, but you might wanna okay that with Breezey herself before you do that. --

I checked out both, and I have nothing to disagree with on either.

Clear Sky and One Eye plus One Eye's camp?
Me and Patch were talking as we were re-reading the Blazing Star and came upon that Clear Sky was forced to be driven out by One Eye and his rogues. Plus none of Clear Sky's cats joined him, only Sparrow Fur. However, this brings a discussion where would One Eye succeed Clear Sky unofficially, and this is the same situation where Darktail forces Rowanstar out and unofficially becomes leader of ShadowClan and his rogues before becoming the Kin. Then once One Eye was killed, Clear Sky took back his camp and became leader again. When Clear Sky was staying at Tall Shadow's camp, many cats referred to Clear Sky's cats as One Eye's rogues and cats. It's not Clear Sky's camp.. but would it count as One Eye's group or camp? Me and Patch want to see what other people's thoughts or comments on this.

Also, I'd like to bring up that when Thunder was born, he was basically a rogue, and not a Clan cat yet. It even states in the Blazing Star, too. Not get the image, but would he get the past thing? Needletail 🐾 #Litten 02:34, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

I support this idea. Even if isn't official, One Eye did force his way to leadership is Clear Sky's camp. Most of the cats remained in the camp as One Eye took over, and like Cosmo said, they are referred to as "One Eye's cats" so I think it would count as a group, even if it was only for a short period of time. Clear Sky came and took back the leadership of the group, after One Eye had been leading it, so I believe it should be added that One Eye succeeded Clear Sky, and Clear Sky later succeeds One Eye.

As for Thunder's case, I also agree with because he was not part of any group while he was young living with his mother, Storm, so I'd think that'd be listed as a past affiliation. 02:46, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

imo it would be camp since it was an established area, and its not even unofficial, it was him taking clear skys camp.

clear skys cats also do stay with him, even if unwillingly, and those cats that were forced to be with the kin still have the affie (even if its with a note explaining theyre prisoners). my question is if they would be considered rogues and get a listing for the time during they were one eye's cats or no? 07:09, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

I guess camp since you explained it better, aha.

That brings another good question now.. would they? They are me ruined to be One Eye's rogues lots of times in the blazing star... Needletail 🐾 #Litten 10:30, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

They should get those cites, I believe. Whether they wanted it or not, it defined them for a time.

Are Birch and Alder old enough to be considered "rogues"? Like if we agreed with the One Eye's Camp. And then the leader's unofficial leader succeeding/preceding for Rowan/dark and one eye/clear sky, and then thunder with the rogue affie? Needletail 🐾 <font face="Papyrus" color="3a3ce4" style="font-size:5px;">#Litten 01:29, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

They were kits iirc, so no. Not really.

One Eye never officially leads Clear Sky's camp, though. Just like Darktail never officially led ShadowClan, so if we do not have one for Darktail and ShadowClan, why One Eye and Clear Sky? 02:38, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

darktail didn't lead shadowclan because it only existed via rowanstar, tawnypelt, and tigerheart at that point. shattered sky even confirms that. (which brings up another issue of why he and others have sc affie if that's so....) as far as I can tell one eye even says he "took the leadership" out of clear sky's paws, clear sky says "one eye has taken over my camp", and it outright says "one eye's camp" on another page. whether that's enough to say he was leader after clear sky or even enough for it's own page, I don't know, but there's some evidence regardless. 23:02, May 13, 2018 (UTC)

Because most of the ShadowClan cats who were under Darktail's ruling in the early days did still consider themselves ShadowClan, so that's where that cite comes from. Also, if they called it "One Eye's camp", then it's pretty safe to say he took over. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">23:59, 5/13/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">23:59, 5/13/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​

One Eye did take over Clear Sky's camp for a while until he was killed. Same with Darktail- he took over ShadowClan before they turned into the Kin. <font face="Brush Script MT,cursive" color="451179" style="font-size:24px;text-shadow:4px 5px 6px #b278ed;">Needletail 🐾 <font face="Papyrus" color="3a3ce4" style="font-size:5px;">#Litten 00:18, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Spiresight- a warrior?
I saw that Broken added him as a warrior but I think we should discuss it first? I hope this isn't wasting time in discussions. Thoughts on adding Spiresight with a warrior's blank? Or adding the cite? <font face="Brush Script MT,cursive" color="451179" style="font-size:24px;text-shadow:4px 5px 6px #b278ed;">Needletail 🐾 <font face="Papyrus" color="3a3ce4" style="font-size:5px;">#Litten 21:31, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it's a waste of time or space. It should be discussed. Trust me, I'm not just searching for more art, but this has been on my mind for a while. He is outright hailed as a warrior by Tigerheart, and given a warrior name- not sure if the latter counts for one though. That in itself seems valid, but then again, it needs to be discussed. <span style="">21:35, 5/11/2018

Hmmm, dunno if that qualifies him gettin a warrior image, though. He technically wasn't one when he was alive.

I think this is more of a case where cats get warrior names but are not necessarily named warriors. Spiresight never joined a Clan, nor did he even see one. Tigerstar may have given a name, but he did not officially allow him into ShadowClan. 02:35, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

I feel like if he had made the journey to ShadowClan he could get a blank, but he was only really a warrior when he got to StarClan, if that makes sense? He never was an actual warrior doing warrior duties.

Considering Kate has said on her blog that Spiresight would have become a medicine cat, (see here) I'm not sure the warrior thing counts. It could be good to note, but I feel that we should take Kate's words into consideration. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#000000 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#438134; font-size:85%">03:50, 5/12/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#000000 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#438134; font-size:86%">) ​

Definitely agreed about taking Kate's words into consideration. Very good point.

Combined with Kate's say on this, plus the fact that the name was given post-mortem and he never lived as a warrior, I think it's more of a trivia statement and not a rank cite.

Blaze ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to David for writing some of the TS section. Hope I didn't miss anybody. <span style="">20:06, 5/12/2018

Could you add a few more quotes? I remember him having a few more good ones in TS ~

Ant ~ Silver Nomination
despite all his mentions, this guy had like... no meaningful quotes, so if anyone happens to find a better one for the main feel free to swap it

Comments before vote? 14:01, May 17, 2018 (UTC)