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Cloud (Storm) (Alt. E)- For Approval
Comments? I might need to smooth out the shading, I'll do that tomorrow. 02:06, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

there's a bit of waste behind the head

next to the ear too actually. also there appears to be shading leaking around the haunch/underbelly area.

The shading should be smoothed too and it wouldn't hurt tk add a tad more depth.  Ellie  life is an illusion 03:22, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

define light more on the front paws please. --

06:39, 4/17/2019

Reuploaded  23:08, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

shading is leaking on the front leg. smooth out the shading on the haunch and add depth everywhere

can you also define the shading on the ear? 02:40 Thu Apr 18

Reuploaded  21:42, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

smudge the pelt into the earpink and the shading is still really blotchy. Also, most of the shading suggests that the light is coming from over the back, but the face and the placement of the light in the eye suggests that it's coming from the front 06:03, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

there's some waste next to the ear

Reuploaded tried with the shading depth, how does this look? 21:38, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

There's waste around the head, rump and the space between the belly and tail I think. JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  01:59, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded should be gone now! 02:04, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

smooth shading --

16:02, 4/20/2019

Reuploaded how is dis, Silver? 17:02, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

There's some waste by the tail, legs and head! -Shadow  hOnK :o)  01:51, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded waste-free! 02:16, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Shading needs to be smoothed. 03:19, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded how's this? 03:37, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Can you expand it on the legs and flank, and define it on the face? 13:34, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded twice also defined the tail's light. There is already shading on the face, it's below the ear closest to us. 15:32, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

The shading needs to be smoothed more, pretty much everywhere, save for the head. There appears to be shading leaking on the tail, belly, and limbs. Can you also define the shading on the one paw furthest from us and inside the ear?

I'll work on this soon. Who said that, btw? 22:55, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded Patch said it, the power of history logs! 00:33, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

There's waste around the head, and smooth the shading you erased on the tail and front paws? Every time you erase shading, you're gonna want to smooth it out. ^^ 12:50, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded green shading is sometimes no but today is yes 23:14, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

CBA? Very nice! 19:57, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but the light source is contradictory. The back/legs/most of it shows it coming like so, but the facial shading is on the wrong side. Whipped up an example of what I meant - green is where there should be no shading/light, blue is what should be shaded given the source, red is just the front legs which need their shading smoothed since it's too sharp from the last erasure, and the purple is the belly shading, which is leaking away from the lineart.

Reuploaded oh no what I have I done to this shading  00:07, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

The shading on the belly is still leaking away from the lineart. Also, the added shading on the face and ears is much lighter than the rest and could stand to be darkened^^ Additionally, there's leaking shading on the bottom side of the tail, a new sharp erasure mark, and the light on the front legs could be defined with a smoother transition - it did solve the erasure mark issue, but was over blurred and removed the light that was present.

Reuploaded take 300 with purple shading  03:11, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Better^^ Define the shading depth on the front paws/legs and there's sharp erasure marks at the base of the tail

Reuploaded  19:35, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Still sharp there at the base of the tail, just where it meets the bum

Wait does this have the match the Alt TOEH? 22:14, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

It might have to but from the site, the pale gray was seen in sign of the moon for her toeh rank and her elder was cited for Outcast.  Ellie  life is an illusion 22:29, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

For some reason when I try to change the base she turns white. I'll reup momentarily. 01:36, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:42, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

The alts do need to match in color, we have historically matched alt sets to each other like this. If you need the file I can shoot it to you.

Reuploaded nope, I have the TOEH on a colorpick layer that I turn on/off  01:13, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Frondwhisker (W) - CBA
Shading looks horrendous but I guess we'll see. The colors are taken from the apprentice.

19:42, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

There's some waste under the back foot. Also smooth out the shading a little? - JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  22:33, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the earpink more. 22:49, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded

00:31, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

The apprentice stripes seem thicker, could you thicken them?  Ellie  life is an illusion 00:35, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded

00:45, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

can you lighten the facial shading some? 02:42 Thu Apr 18

Reuploaded

03:12, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Could you make the pale parts rougher and make the pale marks over her eyes more pointy? Her tail also needs some pale. She needs some more stripes on the leg closest to us and on her chest, to match what i had on the kit. Could you maybe make the texture rougher too? it looks a bit too soft (i used the pencil tool to make it) the stripes on the face could be rougher too. the stripes on the forehead are also more like a half circle on the bottom, then two other halves of a circle on the edges. I have no idea if that makes sense so if you need me to explain further or a redline for that let me know. 03:50, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Could you? It'd be easier for me that way.

03:59, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

sort of like half a circle with an "M" she also needs three little dots below her eyes. here's her kit with just the stripes, as a reference for her leg and face stripes, if that helps. 04:15, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded

23:34, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

The texture is very pencil-ey and hard edged. Could you soften it?

Reuploaded

21:15, April 19, 2019 (UTC)

Can you smooth out the shading on the hind leg? And I think the black on her nose should be expanded to touch the lines of her nose if I'm not mistaken. JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  12:41, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded

00:38, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Recede the shading on the haunch to curve along the back, and shade the little triangle/back leg, as it'd more than likely be in shadow.

Better?

20:19, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if this is needed but could you make the texture a bit more subtle? Just reduce the opacity by a tad. 15:51, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

The texture currently matches the kit & apprentice, not sure if it needs to be changed in that regard.

18:19, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Can you define the pale tail-tip and maybe add some shading in ---> ear? 20:14, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Better? 02:40, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Very pretty! I think it looks good, so CBA? 02:58, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Troutclaw (E) - For Approval
I wanted a challenge! .. and anime hair. im only in it for thE HAIR. I referenced and colorpicked the star. i dont think i matched the stripes very great tho?? but if you have suggesstions on that please do ill probably fiddle with those tomorrow. i sure got that challenge. i think i can have this and flutterkit bc this is a redo? Squidward Plays All  Star. <font color="#302B54" face="Segoe Script" >I <font color="#483D8B" face="Segoe Script" >Am <font color="#6A5ACD" face="Segoe Script" >Ranko <font color="#836FFF" face="Segoe Script" >Kanzaki. 02:07, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

This looks very good! The stripes appear a tad sharper/rugged on the star. Maybe try using a very small eraser and stroke horizontally on the edges? 12:17, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Still working? 12:39, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Still working, will re-up soon as I can. I've finally almost got the stripes to a point I like them more. <font color="#302B54" face="Segoe Script" >Squidward <font color="#483D8B" face="Segoe Script" >Plays <font color="#6A5ACD" face="Segoe Script" >All  <font color="#836FFF" face="Segoe Script" >Star. <font color="#302B54" face="Segoe Script" >I <font color="#483D8B" face="Segoe Script" >Am <font color="#6A5ACD" face="Segoe Script" >Ranko <font color="#836FFF" face="Segoe Script" >Kanzaki. 16:52, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

reups i think this should match a bit nicer if I did it right. also sorry for delay next reups will be faster <font color="#302B54" face="Segoe Script" >Squidward <font color="#483D8B" face="Segoe Script" >Plays <font color="#6A5ACD" face="Segoe Script" >All  <font color="#836FFF" face="Segoe Script" >Star. <font color="#302B54" face="Segoe Script" >I <font color="#483D8B" face="Segoe Script" >Am <font color="#6A5ACD" face="Segoe Script" >Ranko <font color="#836FFF" face="Segoe Script" >Kanzaki. 22:41, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

CBA?

Remove the > most stripe on both front paws, the star/former set images show they never went that far down. The stripes are generally sharper in style and more disorderly on the star, as well.

Dawncloud (E) ~ For Approval
redid this, because I could not make heads or tails of how to even begin tweaking it

CBA?

Sorry to break CBA, could you actually expand the shading on the haunch? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 08:06, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna reupload this later but will do.

Just gonna nudge to see if you're still working, Star? ​

unfortunately I am busy and will not be back at my computer until Saturday. sorry.

back from my trip and will continue working.

Sorrelstripe (Q) - For Evaluation
So much thanks to my wonderful friend, who has the best Warriors art! She taught me shading, and everything about chararts. :D <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif">Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Bright Young Things,serif">Can't help loving me  14:36, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

You'll need to upload the file under what I've linked above. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 14:59, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif">Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Bright Young Things,serif">Can't help loving me  15:13, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Dethumbed. Don't thumb your images in the future! This is also the wrong size for the queen blank. Right click the longhair queen on the main page and click "See full size image" Then save it and put your image there. Lineart is missing on the ears and nose. It doesn't apppear you are using layers, when you should because it is so much easier using them. See their benefits in the Apprentice Tutorials. Can you define and blur/smudge the shading (after you define it of course). Good work! 15:26, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Please add a date for this onto the reservation table. 22:04, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Oof Potato, I did use layers! :P Maybe it's because I changed laptops by doing it...? Anyway thanks!! I better draw another one tho :P <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Monotype Corsiva,serif">Can't help loving me  03:40, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Monotype Corsiva,serif">Can't help loving me  14:44, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Dethumbed. Remember, don't thumb your images! Simply go into Source Mode and remove the |left. In order to avoid a thumb just go to File:Sorrelstripe.queen.png and click "Upload a new version of this file". The image is not showing up, can you reupload again? 15:36, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Maybe I need more shading? :P <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Monotype Corsiva,serif">Can't help loving me  10:27, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Darken the shading, if you're using a tint set it on multiply. --

10:37, 4/22/2019 Sorry for the double comment but the lineart from the eyes and tail are missing/blurry --

10:38, 4/22/2019l1

Define the eye depth. 12:12, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Please don't repeat comments. This needs to match the apprentice image. 15:56, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploade <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Monotype Corsiva,serif">Can't help loving me  23:25, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be defined, you have waste outside the raised front leg. You also have a unfilled pixel on > this cheek. 23:47, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

I've darkened it to match the apprentice :3 Reuploaded<span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Monotype Corsiva,serif">Can't help loving me  09:54, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

The apprentice's eyes are a lighter shade of blue. Could you smooth the shading on the flank too? 12:31, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

The shading is leaking away from the lineart everywhere. I think this is a result of Gaussian Blur.. would you mind filling up those areas with shading? 23:28, April 23, 2019 (UTC)

Also define your lightsource- the front legs and > that back leg suggest the light hits < here, while the back shading suggests otherwise.

Reuploaded. I like the eye color of the apprentice pic more oof :P <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">Can't help <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">loving me  13:19, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

What are the lighter blotches on her? Are those highlights? If so, tone them down (on the opacity bar). Define your light source- where is the light coming from? The pupils appear to be inconsistent in color- one eye has a darker black than the other. Shading is still leaking in some places. Don't worry! I struggle with that as well. Fill those blank areas with shading- I can provide a redline if you want. Smooth out the shading everywhere- just smooth out the edges with the blur or smudge tool, Gaussian Blur makes shading leak away, only use it if you want a really good shading gradient. You have unfilled pixels on > this side of the tail. Sorry for the wall of text! You're doing good so far! 22:13, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Aww, thanks Potato! <3 And thank you so much for the redline if you can provide!!! I feel so foolish… <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">Can't help <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">loving me  05:26, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Here. Red= fill in/add shading. Blue= Remove shading to fit your light source. Green=Waste. Delete that. Yellow= missing/light pixels. Magenta= blur/smudge and tone down the highlights. Hope this helps! (if I mess up on the source sorry if I do). 22:31, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Aww thank you Potato!! <3 Reuploaded <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">Can't help <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">loving me  03:40, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Hmm it doesn't appear you did what I said. Did you reupload the right file? The only difference I see is that the highlight blotches are set to a higher opacity.. I meant to lower them, then blur/smudge. If you need any more help, let me know! 03:51, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Oof... maybe it's the .mpd file, I guess? :P Anyway :P Reuploaded <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(midnightblue,mediumpurple);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:papyrus,serif"> Crystie  <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,midnightblue,violet);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">Can't help <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(right,hotpink,honeydew,lightblue);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;font-family:Comic Sans MS,serif">loving me  05:57, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

What is that on her belly? If that's shading depth you need to lighten it and blur/smudge it. Lighten the highlight spots on her legs more and then blur/smudge them. Smooth out the shading and make >> this pupil darker to match <<this pupil. Let me know if you need to elaborate! 13:20, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Havenpelt (Q) - CBA
Honestly I'm not really happy with this. Tinystream (talk) 23:05, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not seeing the image? Could reup it? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 00:47, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Darken shading and define the light <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 00:48, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

Reup I may have to redo the white. Tinystream (talk) 01:28, April 21, 2019 (UTC)

could you define the light on the forepaws, they're looking quite grey at the moment

Judging by her apprentice, the eyes need to be a darker green. These look pale teal tbh. 02:44, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Reup Her eyes are green? I though they were blue... Either way, I'm not sure if I can change it since I colorpicked it from the apprentice.. Tinystream (talk) 21:02, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the apprentice to me imo Malina457 (talk) 00:56, April 23, 2019 (UTC)malina

Eyes look fine and sometimes Wikia washes out blue/green colours. 11:42 Tue Apr 23 2019

Could you smooth out the transitions between the white and black? And add some, faint, shading to the front paws. There at least be some. 12:48, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Could you make the white on the belly white? I can't even see it. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 18:06, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Reup There was already shading on the front paws so I just defined it, also made some other shading fixes. I'm also not sure how to fix the belly white, since it's below both shading layers? Tinystream (talk) 22:50, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Oh and also, I won't be here for the weekend. Tinystream (talk) 22:57, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

CBA?

Hm okay sorry to break but given matching the app comes into play I don't believe there should be be any white on the < side of the face, nor going onto the shoulder of the < front leg. The neck on this blank is hidden, so it wouldn't wrap around like that (and hadn't in the original warrior, which holds the pattern still). I also can't really see the shading on the tail tip, and the depth could be defined on the white chest

Reup Sorry it took so long! Tinystream (talk) 15:28, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

All good, and ty. Re-CBA?

Harelight (W) ~ For Approval
my boy. all colors picked from apprentice

08:39, April 25, 2019

Can you smooth the tail shading? It looks like its going against the natural tail form on the top and it throws it off <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 12:41, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

There's some waste under the tail. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  22:13, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

maybe try expanding the fur texture over the haunch? it looks a bit blank, otherwise it’s super cute! 02:24, April 26, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

maybe smooth the lower haunch shading? Malina457 (talk) 03:38, April 26, 2019 (UTC)malina

There should also be a bit of shading curvingnover the top of the haunch. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 06:47, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Reups

11:08, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to repeat earlier comments, but can you please extend the texture more on the tail and hutch maybe? Looks like it's just the white of the blank and not finished. 03:15, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

the apprentice follows like this. --

I agree that it should be extended more, it looks a bit bare. I tried to put light texture on all the unshaded parts on the apprentice. 14:32, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Reups Ah, okay.

17:17, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

The shading could also still be smoothed and the haunch shading expanded as that's pretty thin. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 19:52, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

expand the texture a little more onto the right side of the face + the chest? it's hard to see it imo :P 22:36, April 27, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

reups 04:13, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Smooth the shading on the back?

Rushtail (E) ~ CBA
so he has a star, but his page doesn't even say he dies? so i'm not sure if i had to match the star or if i could revamp it as much as i did (oops) but i'll change it to whatever it's supposed to be

My only issue thus far is he looks a tad green, maybe try adjusting the color a tad? Malina457 (talk) 12:05, April 26, 2019 (UTC)malina

The star isn't in use, Su cites are not canon. He doesn't look green. Can you smooth out the shading? 13:00, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

sorry for my lack of knowledge but what are su cites? i’ll fix up the shading when i wake up :)

well he looks greenish to me :/ Malina457 (talk) 21:45, April 26, 2019 (UTC)malina

Eheh Su is kinda a long story.. she was making canon sites and one day Vicky said she wasn't canon. Anyways can you also define the light on the tail? 22:33, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

It does look rather green... and also, the shading on the front leg closest to us should reach further up, to define the leg/shoulder shape

reups i changed the base colour so i hope it looks less green, also blurred the shading but i might mess around with it more since i'm not that happy with it :/

The shading could use a lot of smoothing out so it doesn't look so blotchy. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 19:54, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Could you lighten the shading one or two percent?

reups does this look better?

The blotchy area is the bit at the base of the tail. Can you smooth that part? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 07:22, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

reups i think i missed that before :")

CBA?

Cloudy Sun (E) - CBA
Ancient isn't in use, nor is the sharpclaw. The Ancient should have never been in use; they didn't just stop being elders when they moved to their new territories. ​

Could you darken the shading everywhere but the tail?

She looks a bit golden to me

Re-uploaded. Stole Sandstorm's coloring. ​

Could you define the stomach shading a bit, I'm having a hard time seeing it. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 19:54, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

CBA? 02:59, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Dapplenose (E) ~ CBA
Dunno if I did the pattern justice. 19:53, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Can you define the light on the tail? The source there confuses me a bit with some of it on the top. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 19:57, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Reups 20:05, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps try pulling the earpink color from the star; that came first, and it's more desaturated than the app and this. Might have to go and tweak the app to match first in set, actually

Reups 22:56, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Very nice! CBA? 02:59, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Dark Gray-and-Brown Warrior (W) ~ For Approval
Mostly just an excuse to reuse Deerfoot's pattern. Comments? 23:01, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Smudge the tip of the shoulder patch into the gray more? If you're confused I can provide a redline. 23:10, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I understood what you meant. 23:21, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Can you define the shading depth and smooth the edges of it? Could you also add light to the chest. Even with this skurce there would still be light on the chest and legs <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:23, April 26, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe smudge or blur the patches a bit? they look hard edged Malina457 (talk) 19:42, April 27, 2019 (UTC)malina

Smooth the haunch shading a touch?

Reuploaded. Made quite few changes. 22:45, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Hollyflower (E) ~ For Approval
mega hollyflower

09:54, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Can you smooth the shading, and define it on the white? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 20:00, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Could you also extend the white on the tail (or at least one part of it) to reach the end of the tail? 20:07, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Reups 04:16, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

The white on the too doesn't seem to be showing? She's suppose to have it I beleive. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 07:20, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but what is the 'too'? 12:49, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the white on the tail? I can't get what Mink's talking about either.. 15:15, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

It is definitely the tail, the white looks very gray there Malina457 (talk) 15:51, April 28, 2019 (UTC)malina

The tail white on the underside could stand to be smudged out with slightly longer strokes, I think, to match the queen's styling

I was talking about the white on the tail, my phone autocorrected. The star shows it on the top and bottom of the tail <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 05:07, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

the queen shows it in the same way, the white is very gray due to the shading and i dont think i can do anything about it. 09:54, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Maybe you could try adding some highlights on the white of the tail to lighten it a bit? Or you could make a separate shading layer and put the tail shading on that and set it too a low opacity, so there is shading, but it doesn't make it appear too gray. 03:02, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Rootpaw (A) - For Approval
baby boy 22:42 Sat Apr 27 2019

Can you smooth the chest and bellt shading? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 22:46, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

reuploaded 22:54 Sat Apr 27 2019

Thank you for taking over! Smooth out the tail shading? 23:03, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Based on where the head and paw shading is i think the tail shading should be on the other side?

Some waste by the chin. The shading could be smoothed everywhere tbh

reuploaded i've used this source previously (here) 02:13 Sun Apr 28 2019

I think the source is fine as from the looks of it, its coming from above <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 03:03, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

I'm srry if I don't have a say in this edit but the eyes need 2b blue and they're currently gray.Bluedragon64 (talk) 09:54, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

They are blue from what I can see, wikia sometimes washes out colors like blue and green. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 09:55, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

I asked Patch for the kit file, so all the colours match despite Wikia being terrible with its colour ranges.

they look more blue on mobile than on a computer but they're def blue. this is super cute btw!! 23:52, April 28, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

If the source is coming from above the shading on the paws should be expanded/cover their entirety. I'd say on Kitepaw the swapped tail shading is less noticeable

reuploaded

Dark Brown Kit (K) ~ For Approval
I hope I named this right... -Shadow  hOnK :o)  22:53, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail and smooth out the shading. I think the name is correct but with these guys it doesn't matter until after the image is approved. 23:01, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded! -Shadow   hOnK :o)  14:17, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Define the shading depth? 12:19, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Tabby WindClan Warrior (W)- For Approval
Comments? Now presenting the Daisy/Sandstorm clone with lovely pointed tabby stripes. 23:06, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

This might be personal preference (since I normally try realism with tabbies lol) but maybe add a couple more stripes to the legs? If not that's all good. I think some depth could be added to the shading tho <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:24, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

I forgot one thing, normally when it comes too pointed tabbies they also have stripes on their faces so maybe add some there too <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:28, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Oh it's fine Mink. There are stripes on the face. Did you look closely? 23:28, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

I can't see them at all <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:30, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

I see them, but they could stand to be defined. Also, you've got waste along the right ear. Besides that, could you smoothen out the eye depth? 23:54, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded just ran the burn tool over them, that should do it. Some on the << this side of the face are hidden by shading, so they'll be kinda hard to see. Man, I'm pretty proud of my tabby M. 03:19, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

This is amazing Potato, I love these colours! Could you possibly add some shading to the top of the haunch, in that belly space there? And if the light source is coming from ->, maybe remove the shading from that side of the front legs too?

Reuploaded Thank you Diablo! 04:16, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Smudge the ear pink a bit more? 12:18, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading on the <-- front leg and on the stomach (that area in between the elbow and the hind leg lol) - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  13:00, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded I spy with my little eye a shading redo coming  22:20, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't say you need to redo it... perhaps smooth it out along the back. I'm also not sure if this is my eyes or not, but I think it might be leaking along the spine as well. ​

Reuploaded ah phew that's a relief  22:57, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Nice! Could you smooth the shading on the back? 03:03, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Fuzzypelt (E) - CBA
the earpink looks so much brighter in gimp ugh! <span style="">23:08 Sat Apr 27

CBA? 12:18, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Cinderheart (Alt. W) - For Approval
Sorry for uploading it the last time, I keep forgetting about the one "new" image rule. All colors taken from her ultimate guide pic of course - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  23:12, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

She's so blue (get the song reference?). Can you define the eye depth just a tad? 23:15, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

i have to ask but what is this alt even for? shes a dark grey tabby like her desc states. 23:20, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Alt for The Ultimate Guide. 23:22, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

thats what i meant. shes dark grey tabby there. it doesnt go against anything. 23:25, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Last I knew on the alt's discussed for her she wasn't suppose to get an alt coz she was shown as a short hair ans the artists choice gave her longhair. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:25, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

fur length alone hasnt been a valid thing unless theres some other mistake, so i may have to lean towards declining it unfortunatwly. its also not in her mistakes section. 23:27, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

We voted on having one this, even just for the fur length and slightly differing colors. It'd have to go through the forum to revoke that decision since that consensus still stands for now, so for now it's valid until/if that goes through

If it's fur length why would it get an alt? Why not just tweak the other images to be short hair if that's the issue? As from what i see of the image, there isn't really that much of a difference color wise. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:33, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

not really since it goes againstthe requirements for an image alt to be valid anyway. this shoukdve been declined jsut based off that alone. that and she isnt named for it either. 23:34, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

The vote passed though. You'd have to bring it up again if you don't agree it's valid.

Do I still work on this then, or do I wait? I assume I'd have to wait for the results of the voting if it happens. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  01:52, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

The vote passed. So technically it's valid unless someone brings it up on the vote again and it's deemed not valid there.

but if its againat the actual rules of the project itself, it shouldnt be here regardless, even with a vote. jose, its up to you if you want to continue it or not. its not a slight against you, just the fact this image shouldnt actually be considered valid. 02:10, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I meant if there was going to be a new voting. Also I completely understand, no worries. If this image shouldn't be valid in the first place then I don't see the point in continuing with it. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  02:23, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Some argued that it wasn't valid, back when it was voted on, and the majority that timesaid it was valid. To reverse that we do need to bring it back up again and have a trail, because wiki-wide policy is of following consensus. The vote had been split because some people disagreed, but that is up to the voters, as everything 'round is; we can't auto-decline with a vote that says otherwise still in place. If it's truly invalid, the next vote would pass easily enough.

isnt the alt for the fact that shes not dappled? but regardless, can you define the shading on the chest? 02:37, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

And just saying, but there's no rule in the guidelines saying that you can't have an alt based on fur length.

can you darken the shading, the aqua colored shading throws it off a lil <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 03:05, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

i made the vote, and posted it. the main reason for me was the "length" but the others who voted it to pass said the colors looked off too. there's no reason for a vote to pass but revoking it later.

04:20, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Well.. for me she looks midtone blue with black stripes and shorthair.. I kinda am split as to whether or not the image should count. 16:26, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  16:32, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded Forgot about the chest comment - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  16:37, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

It was already voted to count Greenflower and im pretty sure its supposed to be that blue Malina457 (talk) 19:51, April 28, 2019 (UTC)malina

I was talking about the difference between her regular images and this one, and I know the nom passed. 21:19, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Pebblefoot (E) ~ CBA
Noticed the legs need to be a bit lighter, will fix that next upload. 23:48, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

define the shading depth `

Re-uploaded. 17:14, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Add a touch more shading to the > ear?

Re-uploaded. 14:28, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

CBA?

Gorseclaw (RC) (W) - For Approval
Can't believe I'm a warrior... did my best to match the apprentice without the file and once again will probably fiddle with the shading (I swear it always looks better in SAI). Juniperbriar (talk) 00:25, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Hm.. maybe smooth and lighten the shading some? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 01:06, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Juniperbriar (talk) 14:54, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Smooth the shading a bit more on the haunch. Nice job and congrats on becoming a warrior Juniper <span style="">15:44, 04/28/2019

Reuploaded. Thank you! Also figured out why I couldn't smooth the shading before... I had the wrong stuff selected. Juniperbriar (talk) 16:06, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Add a touch more shading on the tailtip and bottoms of the front paws?

Reuploaded. Heads up, further updates may be slow until the weekend since it's finals/move-out of the dorms week for me. Juniperbriar (talk) 22:06, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Shade Pelt (H) - for approval
i hate inductors.ihate lc and rl ewewewe 15:27, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

I must say, I was not expecting this approach to this pattern, well done! Maybe define the shading? Malina457 (talk) 15:48, April 28, 2019 (UTC)malina

man i was tired. reup still hate inductors tho 22:52, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

can you expand the shading on the legs and define the shading there as well? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 23:02, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Darken the shading please, I can't see it too well. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  01:13, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

reup i really cant darken it anymore 01:20, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Can you darken the color of the shading then? Also there's waste next to the underbelly and tail. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  02:03, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

tbh I can see the shading ok. Any darker and it'll look weird on this color. To also note she used pure black so she can't darken the color anymore either

Could you expand the leg shading? I'm not seeing that it was expanded. That farthest forleg is fine for shading but the forepaw there needs shading and the back ones cohld be expanded. Hopefully that clarified lol <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 03:04, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

im sorry but i honestly think that with this light source, basically all of the paws would be in light except for places that are directly blocked from the light. i already did expand it on the front legs as much as the light source would allow, but i honestly think that if i expanded the shading it 1) wouldnt look good and 2) wouldnt match the light source. a couple of cats have pretty thin shading on their legs/paws here and many of my starclan cats 07:28, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Agreed with burnt. Only touch of shading I'd like to see is on the back foremost leg, as it looks slightly broken so could you possibly see if that can be adjusted in anyway? :D Absolutely stunning piece. 09:23, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

reup ill get rid of the waste later 10:16, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Dull down the white on the face a bit? 12:16, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

reup 23:09, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

I am going to be that person, but is there a valid reason this does not match the kit image? Just because it's being redone does not give you any reason whatsoever to disregard the previous pattern, especially when you do not own the kit. This should still be matching what's already there, otherwise it's just tossing someone else's work out the window. ​​

The same could be said for all the elders redone and I redid Dusk Nose's pattern without anyone complaining. Technically, there is no guideline for this and double standards shouldn't be applied here (especially since that the OA isn't active). You have Cloudy Sun's new pattern up yourself and this is kind of a hypocritical thing to say. If this needs to be redone, then we need to do so for every new pattern from the elder redo and leader redo since they all go by the principle that the image is "not in use".

i really dont get why im just suddenly called out for something that literally everyone has done for the past few months. 00:15, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Cloudy Sun does not have other images that need to be matched due to the ancient cite being invalid, as I said when I removed the ones for her and Running Nose. I am not being hypocritical in the least. I also have been busy and didn't notice Dusk Nose's pattern until maybe an hour ago. This still has a perfectly valid image in the set, Cloudy Sun does not. We wouldn't be forcing anyone to match invalid cite images, just ones that would still technically be valid had we not been in the process of a blank redo. I'm sorry that I don't think it's fair that images are being tossed out the window. ​​

As for the image, there's waste floating everywhere around the charart. 00:22, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

It seems kind of disrespectful not to follow the original design, it'd be better if it were followed rather then just ignoring it and making a new one entirely. Just my opinion though.

00:24, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

i mean if this was a guideline that was reinforced consistently throughout the kittypet and elder redos then id be happy to comply, but the problem is people have been redoing patterns left and right and nobody said anything. i dont see why i have to follow a suddenly randomly reinforced rule. either everyone does this or nobody. also just saying but you are being hypocritical with cloudy sun because the elder wasnt your image– you, like many other people, have disregarded the old pattern because the blank was redone. im not going to go into whats our moral obligation and whats not or whats disrespectful, but im just saying either reinforce it for all or none 00:27, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Burnt and the others, this is NOT disrespectful and the other kit will be redone anyway. The person who made it isn't even around anymore, regardless Malina457 (talk) 00:42, April 30, 2019 (UTC)malina

i'm on burnt's side here, i really do not understand why there is a need to follow the designs of the sprites that aren't even in use anymore. it's not like anyone is going to look at the old kit sprite again. the old kit sprite is 4 years old and that person isn't even around anymore. if it's not being used give someone else a chance to make a new design. burnt's design is a much fresher look than the solid brown of the kit design anyway 00:46, April 30, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

If anything was said for Billystorm and Patch (RF) I'd agree. But why the sudden enforcement of an arbitrary rule on this image and not the others? This is double standards.

While I agree that calling out Burntclaw was uncalled for, considering this has been done multiple times, I don't agree with changing the design. It shouldn't matter if the OA is gone, they made the design and the charart is only unavailable because of the blank changes. The design is still valid and there's no reason for it to be changed. I do agree though that it is wrong that people have gotten away with this in the past and weren't called out. If anything, they all should redo their images. Just my two cents. - <font style="background:yellow">JArtz11  Oblivious to EVERYTHING!  00:52, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

thanks for defending me guys. the biggest problem is that this guideline hadnt been reinforced from the start, so if we go back now we'd have to redo so many images in a kind of unproductive fashion, so unfortunately i do think that for practical reasons the way we've been doing it has to stay, regardless of the morals behind it. like i said, i dont want to go too much into morals and whatnot because this isnt tok class. my biggest problem and anger here is that im the only one called out for out of basically every single damn person in this project in an unnecessarily harsh manner by someone who has actively participated in redoing of patterns throughout this process and im really, really unhappy about that. 00:59, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

here's my stance on it: if you are the owner of the master pattern, great! do whatever you want with it. however, if you are not the owner, keep the original pattern, because it'd be disrespectful to whoever made that pattern for it to get wiped away just because they aren't here anymore. if anyone did that with my chararts i know i'd be sad and a bit peeved because someone tossed my design out because i wasn't around. but anyways. while that would be a lot of effort to redo cats that didn't follow this guideline, it doesn't change the fact that it is rude to disregard what the owner of the master pattern had planned. the owner can do whatever because they hold the pattern, and if they hate it, cool, they can change it. but whoever is not the owner cannot change it nilly-willy. i don't know who redid what but this is my stance. r ♥  <span style="style" title="will i ever be more than i&lt;span data-rte-entity=">' ve always been" data-rte-attribs=" style title=will i ever be more than i've always been"&gt;waving through <span style="style" title="cuz i&lt;span data-rte-entity=">' m tap, tap, tappin on the glass" data-rte-attribs=" style title=cuz i'm tap, tap, tappin on the glass"&gt;a window <01:11, 4/30/2019>

Honestly the ​OG image isn't even that dappled anyway. My stance still stands that this pattern is acceptable Malina457 (talk) 01:28, April 30, 2019 (UTC)malina

If you have qualms about the guidelines, bring it up on the talk page. But until an actual rule is written, voted on and consistently enforced, this pattern stays.

I support Jayce with keeping the original patterns. This character here had another image, the only reason it is not in use is because the blank is being redone. That does not mean the entire pattern should be redone along with it (unless you like talk to leader/deputy about and get permission) The OA may be inactive, but that should not be an excuse to chuck it out the window. Regarding Cloudy Sun; she had no other images in use so that was cool. Saying this stays until we have a discussion is not your call, that is up to our leader. 02:34, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Patch and Jayce, just because a user has left and is not active doesn't mean we should redo the pattern. It's a bit rude and disrespectful to just throw their hardwork out the window. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 02:40, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

@patch a discussion is the best course of action at this point Malina457 (talk) 03:13, April 30, 2019 (UTC)malina

If we are going to argue about this, perhaps make a discussion page? It's currently clogging up the approval page and I don't think people wanna see this. Honestly think if the lead says match it, you should match it. Simple as. But I think it looks nice either way. 03:15, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Then I wonder why you aren't calling for the redoes of everything else that has been redone and only this one. And I don't agree that this only applies to images that have another unused image. If you're going to enforce this, it should be applied to those with redone blanks like Tanglewhisker. It is the same principle: unused blanks. You could pull off the same reasoning that the only reason it is not in use is because the blank is redone hence every new elder/kittypet has to match the old one. Either call for the redoes for all of them, or allow this one to stay. I don't honestly see the difference.

heres the thing: if i have to redo this to match the kit, then it is only fair if images like billystorm and patch were also redone to match their old pattern. in fact, technically, from the logic presented by everyone here, every single pattern that was redone should be redone to match the old one. i wont be opposed to that for sure as long as it is consistently reinforced. until then, i should not be the random butt monkey who has to follow a arbitrarily reinforced rule that everyone else in the project did not have to follow.

patch: the logic in your initial statement can be summed up as "just because an image isnt in use doesnt mean it should be redone" clearly applies to images like cloudy sun and many others with only one image, because ANY of the redone images have their patterns revamped ONLY because the blanks were redone. then suddenly you go back against yourself by stating that, quoted directly, "Regarding Cloudy Sun; she had no other images in use so that was cool". so thats cool? so cloudy sun's elder iamge isnt, quoted directly from you, an image that "is not in use is because the blank is being redone"? theres a large gap in the logic. i guess what im saying is, my current redo is literally no different from the majority of the images in the leader/kp rush e.g. cloudy sun and hey, basically every single single redo image done by everyone in the project. in addition, tons of kittypet images were redone with new patterns even tho the kit/other image is "technically not in use", which is the exact same situation as here. so TLDR, i dont see how my image is different from images like cloudy sun that were redone.

mink: "just because a user has left and is not active doesn't mean we should redo the pattern. It's a bit rude and disrespectful to just throw their hardwork out the window." so this logic doesnt apply to any of the redoes? does this not apply to images like cloudy sun who only have 1 image? is it that just because theres only one image, it automatically makes redoing the pattern become respectful? im sorry but i really dont see why my shade pelt image is different from every single image whos pattern has been redone during the kittypet/leader rush.

what im saying is, if i have to redo it without everyone else redoing their old images, it would be greatly unfair for me. 03:48, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

by the way lunastre, if everyone just blindly followed what leads said regardless of what they see as unfair or not, any organization/project would probably be sitting in dust lol 03:51, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

I have no clue about the other redos (I do know that other users have been called out as well for this, it isn't just you) but I feel it isn't fair to the user who made the designs that the ones that have gotten a redo without the discussion of it first. Every redo I've done has followed a pattern and as far as I know not very many were redone unless the OA okay'd it. Just because the OA is gone doesn't mean anything. I can quite in fact say that if I had gone inactive and my designs were thrown out like that I'd be upset, quite upset considering the time that's spent on them. So no, I don't think there needs to be a discussion on it. I don't see why there's a huge line between this, guys. Like Jayce asked you to respect the user who made his kit, I honestly think you should do just that and follow that pattern. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 06:05, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Then everyone else needs to redo theirs if they didn't follow the original pattern. There should be no double standards here. And yes this needs to be discussed because it would have to involve a policy change.

Which ones need redoing? because from what I've seen during the first blank redo rush, the OAs of said design redid them. It wouldn't be fair to the OAs since they did make that design. <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 06:50, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

um, basically half the kp/leader redos? lol dunno where you got the notion that most of the redone patterns belonged to the OA cuz actually, most of them were patterns made by inactive users that were completely disregarded 06:56, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Thriftpaw (A) ~ For Approval
\o/ 18:47, April 28, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

Base needs to be #332933, ears need to be #ab8c96, and eyes are #e1ff85. Looks like this has texture too? there shouldn't be any, I just used highlights for the areas where light would be hitting it (believe i used white for that) 22:51, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

reuploaded my bad, i didn't know there was already a kit sprite. i left a very faint texture on it since i thought it matched the kit sprite a little better 23:30, April 28, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

Cinderfur (E) ~ For Approval


Got some tail shading leaking onto the bum 22:48, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Ivytail (RC) (E) ~ For Approval
i had a little trouble with this one.. but i think i fixed everything i noticed that was wrong! 22:05, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Can you define the eye depth? 22:47, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

i'm a lil confused as to where the light source is on this, could you make that a little more clear if you can? this is super cute though! 23:56, April 28, 2019 (UTC)Tybaxel

Define the shading depth. 22:00, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded! 22:05, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Define the shading depth more. The image looks kinda on the flat side right now, but that can be easily fixed! 22:21, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

oh frick i saved it with the shading layer off.. welp here is what i meant to do! re-uploaded! 22:27, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Could you reupload under File:Ivytail (RC).elder.png instead of what you have? The templates are case-sensitive and everything needs to match. ​​​

oof sorry! Renamed! 01:17, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Nope, not quite. All you need to do is put a space before (RC). 02:08, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Fallowtail (E) - For Approval
A soft girl  00:39, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Could you define the shading just a bit on the front legs? 12:10, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Define the eye depth a little and also the shading on the > ear?

Whitewater (E) - For Approval
Blindness is my love. 04:52, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

the shading needs defined and expanded, the eye depth could be defined too <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 05:04, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the tail and shoulder, it's very hard edged 06:59, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded - 07:12, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded - 07:36, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

There's some leaking shading on the bottom of the chest, haunch, and tip of the tail. This is very good! 12:09, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Brighten her up, this doesn’t look white. ​​​

Reuploaded - I was told to darken her up, and despite my fears she'd turn grey I did so anyway. I've lightened her back down to my personal preference =) Also hopefully fixed the leaking. Not positive on that meaning but if I haven't covered it please let me know and point me in the right direction! 00:30, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Wait, what? She's white, why would she need darkened? Regardless, the warrior and elder versions that were previously there used pure white as their base (I did them, hence why I know), so I don't see why this shouldn't match. An image being redone does not mean the other versions should be disregarded. ​​

Reuploaded - Oh! I didn't know the base was pure white. I tried to match as best as possible but I was told to divert from that. I colour picked but didn't have the file so I had to wing it. Adjusted the base to pure white so hopefully, this helps! 00:39, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

As the one who said to darken, I never said anything about rhe base just that it was hard for me to see the shading and thought that could be darkened a small bit. Also I'm not really seeing ear pink <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 02:31, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Reuploaded - 02:53, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Plumstone (W) - For Approval
i tried. Patchfeather, how'd you do your patches on the app? I just smudged them with a really small brush at a high strength 06:34, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

This is super cute!!! there’s some residue up by the left ear but otherwise i love it! 16:25, April 29, 2019 (UTC)Tubaxel

Very very pretty! I made the patches by using the paintbrush tool with the size at 1 pixel. To make them blend more, I used the same tool as before with the opacity lowered... maybe around 60-70 or so? I used black and went over the edges of the ginger until it looked pretty blended. I'd offer the file, but I was an idiot and put pretty much everything all on one layer, so it's probably useless. 17:01, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 03:51, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

Minor characters/Code of the Clans Tabby warrior ~ For Approval


This is so cute oml! Could you define the shading on the legs? <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; color:#000080; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.22em; font-size:90%"> Ellie <span style="font-family:comic sans ms; color:#25383C; text-shadow:#737CA1 0.2em 0.1em 0.19em; font-size:110%"> life is an illusion 06:56, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Re-uploaded thanks

Talon (E) - For Approval
03:50, April 30, 2019 (UTC)