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Jake ~ Loner
Hi, I was just popping in to wonder if Jake should be considered as a loner as well, since he left his housefolk for some time. Burntclaw (talk) 07:06, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

I think he counts. He went away for a while and Tallstar is considered a loner once. --Stealthfire star (talk) 22:20, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

I was just wondering if he needs art for being a loner? Or was he a rouge? So can I add him as a loner? Burntclaw (talk) 00:06, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

I think he was still called a kittypet the entire time though, wasn't he? I brought this up a while ago, and I think the only one that could qualify for a rogue image is Talltail, since he did join them, (although for a small period of time before leaving again) and the entire group (Algernon, Bess, Reena, ect) are called rogues many times within the book.

Talltail was called a warrior the entire time too I believe, and he has a loner image. I think Jake also joined the rouges for a small time. He was with Talltail during his entire stay. To me it sounds like Talltail needs rouge added and Jake needs both Rouge and Loner added. --Stealthfire star (talk) 00:22, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Talltail was not a warrior the entire time. He left WindClan of his own accord to travel and find his place in the world- this was even approved by Heatherstar. Jake was still called a kittypet and he even said something along the lines of him always being a kittypet when Talltail asked him to join him in WindClan after he decided to return.

Then do you think Talltail needs a rouge image added? Burntclaw (talk) 00:28, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I see your point but than again, he also said Talltail will always be a warrior. I'm not sure how that fits. Yes, I think Talltail could be added as a rouge with an image. --Stealthfire star (talk) 02:12, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

if Tallstar left WindClan, he was not a warrior during that time. He was a loner. He did not officially become a member of the party of the rogues, so he would not need a rogue image. And why are w worrying so much about the images? Why? The history, the material is the most important. Not the pretty tabby cat images. 03:17, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Cross out the rogue part. He was called a rogue. I misread. 03:18, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

We never said that Chararts are more important than the material, we are both PCA members so we should be concerned if anyone might need a new image. Burntclaw (talk) 04:55, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but I already brought this up before (there are archives for a reason, please check them) and I think it was decided that Jake wouldn't get one, since he was constantly called a kittypet- I think he just went with Talltail so he wouldn't be alone, and all of that. It honestly seems like someone just beating an already dead animal for some extra food.

I'm just going to interject here that the best way to progress this conversation is to actually get out the page numbers and quotes specifically from the books. Also, I suggest separating whether the cats are rogues or loners. They're different titles (barely, but still) and we have different linearts for them. Our current definition of loner is "cats living on their own who do not belong in any Clan, are not looked after by Twolegs, and don't trouble the Clans" with the exception of the Original Arc. Decisions can always be rewritten too. On another note...guys, it's rogue not rouge. Rouge is red in french. Il n'est pas bon. 05:58, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I will gladly provide cites for this. Tallpaw calls the visiting cats (Algernon, Bess, Reena, Sparrow, Mole) rogues on page 141. The quote is as follows:
 * ''Tallpaw shrugged. "All I know is that they're rogues and they come every year to spend greenleaf with WindClan."

Pages 285-291 is Talltail's conversation with Heatherstar about leaving WindClan and traveling, and he is called a rogue by a black she-cat on page 317.
 * ''Talltail stopped a tail-length from the bush. "Before they do, can you tell me if you've seen any rogues around here recently?"
 * "Only you." The she-cat backed away.
 * ''Talltail gazed at her wearily. "I'm a Clan cat."'

So basically he's called a rogue by a kittypet, and says he's still a Clan cat, despite him leaving. Pages 321-324 have Talltail in a Twoleg den, being taken care of by Twolegs due to him eating a foul rat. Worth noting is that quote on page 324, towards the top of the page, that says:
 * Be brave! You left your Clan. You don't need anyone!

This clearly proves that Talltail has left WindClan, as supported by Heatherstar's approval and she never denied him the chance to go due to the sign from StarClan. I believe him also being cared for by the Twolegs also gains him the kittypet rank as well, since he was held against his will and told by Jake that he could not leave on the top of page 322. He constantly denies being a kittypet, but it's clear he's being held against his will, just like Graystripe, only for a shorter period of time.

Sparrow in particular, in case you needed another cite, is also called a rogue on page 334:
 * ''Talltail dug his claws into the blue pelt. "More important than you could imagine. I have to find a rogue." he meowed. "He killed my father."
 * Jake bristled. "Killed him?"
 * ''"My father, Sandgorse, was the best tunneler in WindClan. But Sparrow made Sandgorse take him into a tunnel that wasn't safe, and when it collapsed, he ran away."

The quote goes on a bit more with some narrative, but you get my point. On that same page and going on to the next, Jake says that he'll help get Talltail out of the Twoleg nest, but only if Talltail let's Jake go with him:
 * ''Jake thought for a moment. "I can tell you how to escape, but on one condition."
 * Talltail narrowed his eyes. "What"?
 * "You let me come with you."
 * "I thought you liked being a kittypet!" Talltail glanced down at the soft, red nest. "There's none of those out there." He flicked his tail towards the window.
 * ''"I know that." Take told him. "I don't want to join your Clan. But if you're on a mission, I want to help."

That goes on for a while as well, and Jake also says that he wants to explore beyond the fences and all of that fun stuff. They manage to escape on pages 337-338, and they meet Quince on page 339. Jake specifically tells Quince that he's going with Talltail. Soon enough, they meet (the lovely and awesome) Jay, and they finally meet the rogues they're looking for on page 378-379. They are, again called rogues at the top of page 379, and this happens multiple times throughout the book. On page 382, Talltail expresses an interest to join the cats (although we all know this is a lie to get to Sparrow):
 * ''"Everything's fine. But... when I watched you leave at the end of greenleaf, I realized that there was more to see than just WindClan territory." [Talltail] felt his fur smooth as he eased into his story. "I was hoping you'd yet me travel with you."

Algernon speaks and calls Jake a kittypet at the same time, which kinda proves he's still just a kittypet, but I think since he left his Twoleg nest, he could maybe get a loner rank since he even says he wants to explore and all of that. Talltail also says on page 383 that he wants to see what it's like to live free. On the bottom of 384 and part of 385 is an interesting conversation between Jake and Talltail as well:
 * ''"Come back with me." Jake pleaded. "You're not safe here."
 * ''"This is why I left my Clan." Talltail hooked out another wad of moss and dropped it onto the pile beside him.
 * "But you can go back to them, can't you?"
 * ''"I'm never going back." Talltail growled.
 * ''"Never?" Jake leaned closer. Talltail felt the kittypet's breath on his cheek. "But you're a warrior."
 * "You don't have to belong to a Clan to be a warrior." The words felt empty as Talltail spoke them. Was that true?

Jake says like a paragraph below that he's staying with Talltail if he refuses to leave, saying that it's their mission now. Throughout this whole ordeal, both Jake and Talltail hunt, sleep, and eat with these rogues, essentially staying with them. It keeps going on like this for a bit, and then the Talltail and Sparrow confrontation happens, where Sparrow is again called a rogue. As of page 419, Talltail doesn't know if he'll go back to WindClan, and another paragraph states that he was destined to travel alone. On page 420 (ahahaha blaze it) Sparrow calls the entire group rogues, saying that they won't be visiting WindClan because "rogues like us don't belong in Clans".

On page 421, Talltail says yet again that he has left WindClan. After that, then Talltail says to Jake that maybe they should travel more, but Jake eventually convinces him to go back to WindClan, saying that he'll always be Talltail's best friend and all the tearjerking stuff. So yeah, you asked for quotes and page numbers and I do think this suffices.

If Tallstar gets a kittypet for sticking with housefolk for a short amount of time then Jake should get a loner for leaving them. Whether or not that's how they identify is not important to their ranking which depends on their lifestyle. Jake lived as a loner and Tallstar lived as a kittypet - they get the corresponding rank. 7:42 Thu Nov 27 2014

I think I agree with Raelic. Tallstar lived the lifestyle of a kittypet, Jake lived the lifestyle of a loner. I think they also temporarily joined the rogues, so could be considered a rogue too. --Stealthfire star (talk) 07:30, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Anymore comments? ~ Burntclaw Yolo ♫ ♪ 00:26, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there's going to be anymore comments on this, so it would probably be safe to say that you can add this to his article, since he clearly lived the life of a loner.

Dew Nose ~ Silver Nomination
Cute name. Comments? 20:31, December 5, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for a Forest Divided to come out? B L  A ZE Fi  r E 00:34, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Nope, since he appeared, though not names, in The Blazing Star we can go ahead with this. 01:11, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Well, in that case, I guess it deserves a silver nomination? It's a little short, but that's kind of all the info we have. B L  A ZE Fi  r E 01:52, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

CBV? 21:20, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Vote is up!

Faded Cats Deaths
We already have a category for Faded Cats (which was a great idea!) On their pages, it is also listed as StarClan/Dark Forest, None. I just think since we have that listed, why not list how they died the second death? And will we put it in the Cause of Death right next to their first Cause of Death? --Stealthfire star (talk) 03:46, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

The CoD section is supposed to be how they actually died. They're already dead when they fade, so having another cause of death seems redundant. I think we had this discussion before, and ruled out that idea...not sure why, though. I think it would be confusing to have both there at the same time.

Hmm, you could be right, however, I feel as if it needs to be put somewhere. Maybe a new section or something. If you look at the description of the Faded Cats category, I could imagine people wanting an easy to find place where that information would be. --Stealthfire star (talk) 04:12, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I'm in between on this because it is a useful piece of info, but it might make the charcat look wrong with that much info in one area. However, we do list two mentors on some cat's pages, so I don't think the confusing stance is the best to argue against this. 23:24, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Well, in cases like Brokenstar, we were told to disregard the field guides and go with the information in the super editions instead. I can use the confusing stance, since both are confusing to begin with and I honestly think we should have specified which mentor was which anyways.... That's probably another discussion I'll bring up later, Duck. So perhaps we could edit the charart template to add another section? I want to see about expanding that template a couple pixels anyways to try and prevent the massive amount of breaks we keep getting with larger families. To my knowledge, it's locked to all but administrators (we had too many people trying to add fanfic stuff to it), so Atelda, Kitsu, or myself will need to do it, but I'm not gonna add anything without the full consent of the project.

Anymore comments? --Stealthfire star (talk) 21:43, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Cloudrunner ~ Silver Nomination
Credit to the person who did the history, I just edited it slightly. --Stealthfire star (talk) 23:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Could you try finding a better main quote for him? It don't think it suits him much unless you give me the context imo 23:57, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Is this better or do I need to cut the ending off? --Stealthfire star (talk) 00:11, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think it looks good- CBV?

vote's up! 03:05, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hareflight (TR)
On page 31 of Tallstar's Revenge, he is mentioned as pale brown, but the allegiances list him as light brown. Do I add the pale brown to trivia or list him as light-pale brown? Stealthfire star (talk) 06:01, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

They're the same thing, I believe. It happens to Leafpool a lot too. b

Yes, those are the same. 21:18, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

So, do I add light-pale brown tom to his description to avoid confusion (especially with what I added to the quotes) or leave it? --Stealthfire star (talk) 05:26, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Light-pale brown seems redundant. I think it's fine as-is, but others might feel differently.

I think it's fine, too. 16:38, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Hareflight (TR) ~ Silver Nomination
Other than cleaning up the above subject, this is good. Comments? --Stealthfire star (talk) 05:26, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

CBV? 21:19, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

vote's up! 03:06, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Join request
Im not entirely sure if this is in the right place? I'd like to join the project, if thats okay. =) 20:41, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

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Join Request
I'd like to join the project, please. Lakewillow 22 (talk) 19:46, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

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Join request
I would love to join this project as well, if I am able to. Thanks! ^^ ♠Pinely ~Anything Is Possible  03:42, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

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Join
May I join this project? ~ Foxy Don't eat my food 10:31, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

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Nicknames?
I'be been wondering, should we add a "Nicknames" section to the characters? For example, Brambleberry called herself "Swallowherb" and Darkstripe was called "Dirtstripe". ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 10:10, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Eh, given that they're not important to their characters, and they're not really used more than once, I don't think it's necessary.

Oh okay. Thanks! ~ Burntclaw  Yolo ♫ ♪ 00:36, January 14, 2015 (UTC)