Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Colour example?
I was wondering if we could have a colour example image. I don't know if anybody knows what I mean, but sometimes when you're commenting on an image and you want the artist to change the earpink to a different colour or adjust the pelt colour, you can't properly describe what colour you mean, so you post an image (like I did under Mosspelt's tweaked image). However, once the image is finished and archived, your colour-reference image ends up floating around and taking up space if it doesn't get a delete tag. I was wondering if we could have a designated image that you can just reupload your colour onto for reference, so we don't end up cluttering the wiki with these random colour squares. Obviously it wouldn't be used very commonly, but it would be helpful for keeping clutter to a minimum. I dunno. Maybe this is a flawed idea... You tell me. Opinions? 01:46 Sat Oct 22

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about having one image that would have a specific name and you would just reupload this image with a new color when needed? Sorry, I'm a bit confused at what you are asking Dx 01:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry for confusion :3 01:52 Sat Oct 22

Hm, I see what your saying (i hope) But what if two people use the image at the same time, like one person posts a color for earpnk. And then somebody else uploads over with another color for eye color, for instance, blue, and posts under another image for approval. So the other person working on the other image and comes on seeing a person suggesting "blue" for earpink and be all like "wtf??" So, should it be only available to upload over once the image is archived? (Sorry if I was vague ^^;;) 02:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

We could have a section on the tutorail that have hex code examples. Then we dont need an image at all. 18:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Point, Guardian. Let's use Moonleaf's and my situation as an example. I figured that I could (when reuploading the image) add in the description section what the reupload was for, so when Moonleaf saw the image, she would check the image details and look at the proper version of the upload. If that makes any sense, nod your head XD Iceheart: for some people hex codes are really confusing, and I feel it'd be easier to just have one image that people can save and then colour-pick. 21:16 Sat Oct 22

I think we should just fix the pelt-to-earpink chart. For example, there is RED on the chart. There is not such thing as a pure-blood-red cat. I've used the earpink off of there and sometime it is incorrect. What say we just tweak that instead, for every pelt color ever used? And maybe the color of that pelt type as well (such as tawny or bracken for those of us who hardly know what those colors are). That way, a person could just color-pick off that :3  04:49, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Torties and Calicos
Should torties and calicos with orange/ginger patches have stripes on those patches? As we've discussed, all ginger cats are tabbies, even those that are only partially ginger. 19:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think they can, but they dont need to be redone to have stripes, just tweaked. 19:24, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's the artist's choice, really, to either add in stripes or not. Cause Ive seen some pictures on calicos with orange with no stripes (or maybe sometimes the stripes are just not noticable) 19:35, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

That cat had stripes. Look at its head. 19:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think we shouldn't bother tweaking them. I've seen plenty of torties without a tabby stripes, and they have ginger in them. And Shelly, all cats have that tabby M on the head, it doesn't neccesarily mean it's a tabby. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think we don't need to add stripes. In Hawaii, there was a calico, and there were no stripes. 23:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

If we're going to get techincal, then yes, but only facial markings. The general portion of their body doesn't have them and they are so faint, it seems a tad tedious. However, a torbie cat is a tabby/tortie or calico and should get stripes, but only if they were described as such. 02:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So no redoing/tweaking is needed, correct? 19:45, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Approving before 24 hours
I haev a question, I've seen a couple tweaks approved without going through 24 hours without comment, or even 24 hours past the last reupload, and yet they were approved? Now I have no problem with those ones being approved, as they looked good to me, but is that really allowed? I thought all chararts had to wait through the 24 hours? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not always. If it's a minor tweak, like adding a collar or a nicked ear, then why in the world should the image need to go through 24 hours? Also, I do it so stupid people don't ruin an already amazing image. 23:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes if the image is redone it best just to leave it for the 24 hours, but if it minor it fine to just archive it. 23:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. :) But I've seen one, maybe two that've been redone and approved within a couple minutes after the reupload. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  23:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no rule against it, but its generally not done. 23:51, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Squirrelflight Chararts
Should Squirrelflight's chararts be redone? Like, should they make the tail more squirrel-like? Hmmm...? 00:23, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think they need to be redone. She justs really has a really bushy tail, in my opinion. xD

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  01:35, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, it's fine. They said she has a bushy tail, which reminds them of a squirrel. So basically, her tail is fluffy. 02:07, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, but even if we were to give her a busy tail that wouldn't necessitate a redo in the first place. Any busy tail could look like a squirrel's and most do in all actuality. 04:51, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

I honestly think it would be cute if we tweaked her tail to be like that, but it's fine I guess. 19:45, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

More Than One Tweak
For all the warriors and up who have more than one tweak going on, you dont put it in the tweaking table. It goes in the normal table with the words -Tweak/-Redone after it. Look at how BlueOrca did it. Hes got it. I fixed it, but for future refernce... 19:29, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

-headdesk- Good God, there's so many new rules... I feel like a noob in my own project ;_; Sorry about that, Iceheart! 19:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I just fixed everyones, but then i edit conflicted with Rainlegs and lost it all. Y'all have to fix it yourselves. 19:37, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ooops... my bad. :P 19:38, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Wait... what? I don't get it. 19:47, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

woah, I actually did something right this time? Awesomeee~you heard her people, go and change your reservations like mine! 8P - 19:54, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Basically one reservation in one table Ivy. 19:55, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

This got me so confused and that's why I did Firestar becaus it confused me that the tweak table said two and the regular table said one. 21:10, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

It's basically for those who don't have a main project. After all, we have quite a few images that need to get done. Two for each warrior/lead is ample enough. 21:14, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I did it right! *pouts* XD I personally think the tweak table should be tweaked to have two columns for tweak images, but that's just me. That's how it was RIGHT after we decided to make tweaking a permanent thing, and I liked it that way. I guess it'd be a bit harder to check if people are breaking the rules and having 3 images reserved at the saem time, but still, it'd make it less confusing. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:37, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait
Wait for the new apprentice blanks, does it count as a tweak or a regular charart? 19:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak. Simple as that. 19:58, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

So they actaully aren't going to be redone? (as in apprentices can't do them xD)

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  00:34, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if they'll be tweaks or if they'll be redone or if they'll qualify as a regular charart, but the blank is radically different from the old apprentice blank, so you can't just layer the new lineart over. 00:38 Mon Oct 24

Yeah, I thought we agreed it'd be a whole new project that EVERYBODY gets to do? I think that is only fair. 00:44, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember being a part of that discussion, Ivy. Unless it was decided when I wasn't around. I guess it doesn't matter, does it? Tweak, whole new approval. Eh. Whatever. 00:46, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh, TWO edit conflicts. XD Wait, you've seen it Wildy? Is it up now? Did I miss something? O.O *looks around anxiously* And I would think they would go on the approval page. That's what happened with the Prey hunter blanks, and those were just tweaked, not redone. And I remember that being said too Cloudy, you probably weren't here. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  00:48, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I hate edit conflicts XD I've seen it just 'cause Iceheart keeps on sending it to me with comments like "What should I change before I put it up for approval??" :P It's not up. 01:17 Mon Oct 24

So does anyone know the real answer? xD

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  19:10, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, but I think all images should be up for grabs, meaning it would count as an original image and not a redone image. There wouldn't be any tweaking involved. However, I don't have the final say. Iceheart? 04:41 Tue Oct 25

Dates for Tweaks?
Could we change the tweak nomination page to have like a place where you can say when the image was added to the list or something? Cause we agreed that images should be on the list for at least a week so leads could check through and remove the ones that shouldn't actually be tweak/redone, but right now, it'd be so hard to tell when it was put on, the rule's not really able to be enforced. I think we should either get rid of the rule all together or add the dates when we added the images. And for the ones already on right now, a lead could look through them, remove the unneeded ones, then we could just add the date as a week ago. What do you guys think? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:42, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea, and I agree...but there will be tons of people that forget about it, myself included. I usually check and see which images are on there, and if they need to be tweaked. That whole one week rule is stupid, because some images REALLY need it. *coughs*Redwillow*coughs* 22:03, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

New Rule
I want to put this rule in place as soon as possible, so if you have any suggestions make them quick. This rule states that any users caught violating a guideline pertaining to this project will be given a strike. Users with three strikes will be demoted one rank temporarily. Users with 7 strikes will be demoted permanently. Users with ten strikes will be removed from the project. This rule applies to all users, including leads. Getting an image declined does not count. Comments? 01:06, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:07, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I support this. 01:08, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Can you at least talk to the other leads about this before making such a decision, or, do the senior warriors not count as leads anymore? It's not fair, and you know it. You'll find any way you can to demote Icey. That's what this is about. You hear me, I am against this. 01:09, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

You already know you have my full support. And Cloudy we were talking about it on IRC 01:11, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

And why didn't you ask the rest of the leads? 01:12, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I dont wanna demote Icey. Shes a good SW. I just want the rules followed. I left it open to discussion, what would you change so you would support it? 01:13, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this. How long does the temporary demotation last? Cloudy, it's not just about Icestorm. It's about following the rules, and if you can follow the rules, it'll be fine. I know everybody has their slips from time to time, but if you forget to follow the rules once or twice it's not like you're being kicked out of the project permanently! I don't see what the big deal is. 01:14 Mon Oct 24

Honestly I do agree with Cloudy that I think you should discuss things like this with ALL of the leads, and I think this may be about Icestorm too, however, I do think this rule is needed. So I guess I support, though I'm kinda on the fence about it. (NO MORE EDIT CONFLICTS PLEASE XD) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:16, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Take it to the forums not here. I have already copied and pasted the conversation. There's no need to get the rest of the project worked up. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:17, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

I was want to state that I'm worried about this rule for my case... I tend to be a very forgetful and clumsy person with this stuff. 00:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that above, I thought it was a vote or something. :P 00:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Charart Alternates
I'm starting to think that we should add them to the "Characters Needing Art" because there are quite a few of them. And it would help a lot of we knew where to find the alts. 10:43, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah,I agree too. 12:33, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I honestly see no reason as to why we haven't thus far. 12:56, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I do too. I'm learning how to do this stuff, and I wanted to do a first charart, so I go to the "Characters Needing Art" and there are none. So it gives new users, who don't know where to go or what to do, a sense of what tehy can do. (I hop ethat made sense :3 ) 15:19, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, it is something that they need, as any major pelt change necessitates a pixil. 17:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It's hard to find a charart to do when it's not on the list. 19:13, October 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Yes, someone should be in charge of that. Don't you think? 21:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think that a few people would be in charge of it, and certain people are assigned to check certain cats (Ex. Cats in ThunderClan, A-G) to see if they need alts. 23:00, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Mentioned, but not seen?
Ok, so I was browsing over Mousefang's page earlier, and noticed he was mentioned as being a kit when SkyClan left the forest. Shouldn't he get a charart for that? We;ve made chararts for cats only MENTIONED as a rank, such as Toadstep and Rosepetal, and Barely and his siblings. I think we should decide once and for all whether characters get chararts for being mentioned or not. For now, it's never really been made completely clear as far as I know. And if this was already discussed, can we like add it somewhere, so people know you can make a charart for the character if they were only mentioned as a rank? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:08, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

^I meants She, for Mousefang, sorry. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  17:10, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I was wondering too because I wanted to do Firestar's kit before. I mean..he had dreams about when he was a kit and I mean...it's not like he isn't a kit in the first place. 17:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. If we're doing images for others like this, what would be the difference? 17:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. I see no reason not too, even though her saying that she was a kit was an error, as she was mentioned as a warrior before and during the move from the forest. 20:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

So it's decided. You may do them. -- 21:28, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Kay. But Shelly, how can we tell whether her being bentioned as a Warrior wasn't a mistake? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:31, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Join?
I'm terrible at chararts, but I really, really want to learn! -- MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN!!!!!!! 20:13, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Its okay, I'll add you in. Welcome to PCA! Read the Warriors Wiki:Charart/Guidelines for any questions. 22:10, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Group Drawing
I finished the group drawing last night after about seven hours of coloring it in (plus about three days sketching and three hours putting in the line art). Here's the finished image: link to the image!

I'm also putting together a speedpaint video to go with it, which will be up sometime this week (my computer's having a hard time with the huge file). If it's alright to post the video here, of course. Otherwise I'll just post a link. I hope you guys like it. ^^ I love this project. 20:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O That is awesomely awesome. I will troll this image forever. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 20:32, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O.O That is friggin' epic! (Sorry for language :P) 20:36, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I like it! Maybe you should list who's in it, because I can't really tell who's who. 21:07, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

You're supposed to look on her talk page to see who is who, but there's quite a few cats with the same (or like) description. XD 21:27, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * O I see me... :D I love it!

Gh ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  21:43, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

So, who's got this as their computer wallpaper? I know I do! XD 21:45, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm one of the white pelted and blue eyed cats. xD 22:25, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Any guesses what one I am? :3 Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 23:04, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I added in a key. 02:00, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

THIS IS SO AWESOME I LOVE YOU SHELLY <3 02:08 Wed Oct 26

Haha, thanks. Sorry I made you look scared out of your mind. 02:13, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh mai. This is epic. I LOVE YOO AND YOUR ART, SHELLY. <3 02:42, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the video... I hope it's alright to put this here for now. I saw no rules against it. thumb|300px|right 04:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

It's been blocked due to copyright issues... Shelly, what songs did you USE? 05:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

You have to be kidding me... Uhg. I'll fix it in the morning. Don't these people know that I'm not breaking any law as long as I am not profitting off of it? Oh well, nothing to do but pick different songs. 05:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Kits
Every living cat was a kit. In the warrios series, same goes for that. Cats can get queen blanks with the new rule, why not kits. I am saying should we have kit chararts for every cat? It makes sense. 00:27, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

That would take forever to do. I think we've done enough with the whole queen issue...that might be pushing it a tad. 00:28, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

That's precisely why me and Kitsu voted no on the queens for that logic alone. They might as well since nobody ever saw Wind as a queen, as well as others 00:29, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

No, we only make chararts for those who has been seen or mentioned in that rank. Besides, it would only be more useless work - 00:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I will be on the PCA IRC channel if anyone wants to discuss. 00:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, this might be a tiny bit hypocritical of me to say this, since I proposed the new queen rule, but I'd say no to the kit thing. I wanted the queen rule for any cat mentioned as a queen, and that's what we got. And we have kit images for every cat mentioned or seen as a kit. To make a kit image for every cat would be ridiculous and would contradict our other guidelines concerning images. 02:17, October 26, 2011 (UTC)