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Softpaw blanks- CBA
Alright, since I won't be on later tonight, and I was told they should be on here today, here's the short-haired male blank. As wit blanks in the past, I will perfect this one first, then the others will be an easy lineart tweak. 20:51, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

There's some thinner lineart by the tip of the tail. (I can't help with the other stuff, 'cause I know nothing about it. lol, sorry for providing useless help.)

Can you make the back leg go behind the front leg on the side nearer to the right? I hope I make sense, I'm horrible at wording things owo 21:18, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the blank a little bot smaller, and the nose more centered in the face? Also, make the tail just a little tiny bit longer. Beautiful, Ivy <3 Stormy  I'm messing with you ♥ 21:31, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Cats have the most awesome anatomy while running. 8D Anyway, first thing is, if an animal has their legs that far forward while running, chances are both their front paws will not be on the ground. I would recommend lifting at least one amd giving it a wrist joint. Second, it's chest is way too large. Cats' ribcages end almost right with the shoulders, so that far shoulder is going to be much more prominent, the chest flatter, and the nearer shoulder larger. I would also recommend the cats head to our left slightly so that it's neck will appear longer and give you more room for the shoulders. It also might be slightly too large. The back legs are also off. Take the knee joint and bump it up higher. The hock will also be much shorter, so that the lineart for the foot is almost behind foreleg, and the far leg should be farther right and up. Here are the references I was using for it: 1, 2, 3. 21:34, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe lift the tail up a bit higher on the flank and make it a touch longer. The face seems to bulge a bit one this <-- side, but the eyes seems to indicate a flatter, more triangular face. Maybe lift the father ear up a bit more and make this --> side's whisker's bend go down instead of up. 00:29, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not a cat analogy person but the thing with the hind paw on our right side, it looks odd. Mainly because with the other paw, they just seem different. The shape of the paw is odd and I think it looks... upside down I guess XDD. Well, mainly as the paw comes to a point and the paw shape doesn't seem... cat like. I know, I am also terrible at explaining things. Raineh Has returned :D  22:21, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, well, I'm not really an expert at these things, but the head seems to bulge a little. And the lower jaw seems to indicate a straight-up head, while the rest seems to be tilted. 01:01, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried D: 01:19, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear on the right come <---this was a bit? The head looks a bit too long at the top owo

Ivy, you want me to redline for anatomy? 05:48, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Make the neck longer and move it slightly higher. Round and smooth out the back and move the far hind leg even furthur under the body. Also, move that jaw line closer to the rest of the head. You also might make that near front paw a little smaller. You're doing awesome, Ivy. 15:00, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but could you smooth out the lineart? Amazing job<3333

Can you fix the right ear's (our right) lineart? Where the earpink normally goes that's a bumped line where the ear's actual lineart connects. Hope this makes sense xD. 22:46, September 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not knocking you guys, but redlines help me the most, I'm just a visual kind of person. I'd really appreciate one Shelly :) 00:56, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get that done asap. 06:34, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'm sorry, I couldn't redline. But I was able to work from your pose with a slight shift to look more natural. Feel free to use this or not. I think it's angry at something... http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/2/2f/20120923200241!Shellyheart.png 20:04, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, Ivy, this is beautiful <3. Could you try to make the tail a bit longer and make the head a bit more circular? ♪ ♫ Feat her ♪♫  17:20, September 24, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How about this? I feel that the back leg looks kind of funky but I tried :P 00:39, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

There's a spot on the tail where the lineart's thinner than the rest. Fix it, please? Or if it's supposed to be like that, ignore me.

I'm no anatomy expert, but the ear closest to us looks a bit...weird? o.oPikachushinx the power of the past 02:06, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it does look a little longer and more circular than the other one. Maybe make it straighter and shorter and angle it back a little more.  Charlie  Let's   go to   Candy Mountain  02:08, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind I did a redline of this, although I'm not officially added back yet.

I couldn't actually see the redline on top, so I moved it over. Basically, the legs need to be thinner and shorter, and the head rounder. Also, the shape of the hindleg is a little awkward. Darkhallows  call me maybe 07:22, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Elongate the neck, too. Stormy I'm messing with you ♥ 20:29, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

The neck's fine, Storm. It's on an angle so he wouldn't have much of a neck anyway. 21:25, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I...tried XD Is all I can say. 05:05, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Make the ear close to us less round, and the shape of the back foot close too us still seems a bit awkwardly shaped imo. 05:08 Tue Oct 2

Here's a redline I made using one of the links Breeze gave as reference. Hope it helps. 06:38, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe make the Softpaw a tad skinnier. http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/5/56/Giratina_orig.gif Crystals   over   Sparks  http://images.wikia.com/pokemon/images/2/27/Dialga_Sprite.gif 03:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Make the head a touch bigger 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The legs are still too long and wide. -- Đark ɦallows  06:38, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a small break in the tail(near the base), can you either smooth it out or thicken the lineart there? 20:31, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on these? 00:44, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I am, I've just been having complications with it. My sincerest apologies :(  01:04, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front paws are still a bit too big, can you shrink them a bit? 19:37, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump the closest eye up higher and smooth out the back. 20:32, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (my left) paw should be facing the front a bit more. It's on quite an awkward angle.  Millie  It's   all   black magic!  02:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

The face looks...How do I put this? Flat-ishPikachushinx the power of the past 14:58, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, the face is fine. With the pose that it is in, the head would be angled that way, making the face appear that it looks kind of 'flattish'. 01:20, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still working? 17:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm trying, I really am, the anatomy just frustrates me at times because at this angle, it's difficult to get perfect  02:51, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

The front paw on this<--- side is still at an awkward angle. Could you please fix that? :3 02:57 Thu Oct 25

I'm going to feel horrible for critiquing this, because I'm Horrid at cat anatomy, and I wouldn't be able to do any better. Also, if I repeat anything from up there^ I did Not mean to. I would remove the line on the back, the legs look too thick, the paws I don't think should be wider than the legs themselves, the tail is crooked, as is the back leg closest to us, and to me the neck looks to short. -- 18:08, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Smooth out the back a little more and move the "foot" on the hind leg back a little. 00:28, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

It's been a week with no update and over a month and a half since the initial upload... Sorry, Ivy, I know you're trying and your blank is cool, but I think someone else should finish this. Keep the pose but get it wrapped up. 16:23, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I've really been trying, but with the redlines being so different and not entirely getting it, it's just been really difficult. I don't want to give this up, but I guess if the project agrees, I can send my file over to someone new. :/  19:02, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well I've asked cloudy multiple times what would happen about time limits and such on this, and though an agreements never been made, but I personally think Ivy should have 2 months on this, and if it's not approved by then, someone else could take it, keeping the same pose. It's a blank, it should have a bit more time than normal images. However you would have to keep uploading it Ivy. I certainly wouldn't mind taking over, but I personally think Ivy should get until two months are up before it goes up for grabs to anyone, unless she chooses to withdraw it early for any reason. 05:37, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh. Two months is good; twice as long as a normal charart. However, I think Ivy should choose who the blanks get passed off to, since they were hers. I also agree with keeping the same pose, since /that's/ why these blanks were picked.

Alright. Well, I did try and fix them up again, but I really need help on the paws. They are giving me the fits, no matter how much I re-shape them XD  01:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Try making them more round, especially the one that is off the ground. 21:33, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

You still working on this, Ivy? 04:10, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

I /am, I didn't see the comment. I'm unable to shape the paws right and I am asking for help to get them right, I don't think I worded it correctly but I need a redline over my image on how the paws should look since I can't make them righ. 06:04, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry. I didn't see your comment. Here, I made some redlines. It might be a bit stylized but I hope it helps. 02:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

If you give it up, can I take over? Crys tal  hea  rt! ❄  20:48, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

First of all, Ivy's supposed to pick who to give it to when time's up, not just give it to whoever asks. Second, it's quite rude to ask to take over something before it's declined. Please don't do that. 14:31, November 18, 2012 (UTC)

However, it has been two months, as agreed. 03:39, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I used Breeze's redline pretty heavily, I hope this does it. If not, I already have someone in mind who can take over. I'm about at my wit's end with this lol  03:48, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

The head seems a little flat. Try rounding it out a little, move the closer ear forward, and make the muzzle stick out a bit more. 17:44, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  22:38, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you maybe shrink the (our) right ear a bit? And the head looks a bit small for the body. (though that could just be me, I'm not good with this whole anatomy stuff)  22:14, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried making the head bigger, only by a few pixils. 21:51, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

The head still seems a little flat. Maybe make it more round? Crys tal  hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  21:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:27, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

It's ten days past the two month mark. I'm not trying to be mean, I swear, but someone needs to wrap this up. 04:21, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Make the face flater now, please. x3 00:00, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle needs to look a little shorter in my opinion, but I don't know anatomy... xD -- .foxderp talk to the fox creature 01:07, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I can only do so much before I'm right back to where I started before I redid the head. 04:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Try to make the muzzle a bit smaller and straighten out the side of the chin. 22:54, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  00:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I sound so pushy, but could you push the lower jaw back and kinda smooth out the top jaw on <-- side? 01:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:33, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Can you make the muzzle a bit more square and make the forepaw that's up a bit less splayed. Don't make the due-claw/toe pop out so much and maybe round the left hind paw a touch rounder/define the toes 04:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

The muzzle looks like the jaw is sticking out.. fix that, please. And smoothen out the tail a bit. <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  05:05, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:46, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

This blank is beautiful, but it's a bit large. Maybe shrink it a tad? <font color="#00FFFF">Crys <font color="Blue">tal  <font color="#00CCFF">hea  <font color="#4BA9D8">rt! ❄  06:31, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, I don't mean to be a hassle or anything, but it's been well over two months, nearing three now. Shouldn't this be passed on to whoever Ivy chooses now? 09:28, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Ivy, but I got to agree with Paleh. :/ 23:43, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

But nobody has said anything else about any other flaws, if you see any other flaws then I guess decline this :/ But I'm only going to pass this on to whomever won't redo the blank. 01:19, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry but yes, the anatomy's still off on the legs and paws, and the whole blank needs to be shrunk, and the muzzle looks a bit... off *can't describe it* Sorry Ivy. 01:51, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You know what? I'm done. Whoever is willing to work with this instead of redoing it, leave me a message. I thought I was so close to getting this approved, but I'm not letting two months of hard work be erased. 05:09, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry I got hissy there, but all I;ve wanted was to get these blanks completed, and now I can't, and it's just really frustrating, please understand how difficult this is for me. When the prey hunter blanks were being made by Night Shine and she left, Iceheart finished them for her, and I just want to be given that same courtesy. 08:10, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that, Ivy. I think that if a user wants to take on the blanks, they should work with what's already given. It's not fair to you, and since others have gotten that same privilege, so will you. Plus, I voted for these because of the stance, and since that's what got picked, that's what'll stay. It's unfair to you, and to everyone who voted for your blanks.

Agreed. Ivy won the contest fair and square, her blanks were chosen to be put up for approval. That's what going to stay up for approval unless Ivy herself decides to take them down. There has never been, to my knowledge, a time limit on new blanks, and even if we decide to impose one in the future, that shouldn't apply to this. Ivy keeps the blanks. End of story. 00:56, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Um, Scar that's not what any of us were saying... Cloudy was just saying that whoever gets the blank shouldn't redo it. We decided on a time limit of two months like a month ago. :/ 07:06, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if Scar was off topic, I'm inclined to agree with her. We created this time limit on blanks in the middle of Ivy working on these- it shouldn't apply to her. On any future blanks, then, I'm sure, yes, it will apply, but for these, no. Ivy should be able to continue work on these, like every other user in the past who's made a new blank. 22:09, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Leggo's got a good point, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Had we decided this before the blanks were posted, I would have to argue the point, however, that's not what we did. Since they were decided right in the middle of her posting them, it's hardly fair at all. So, I think Ivy should be allowed to keep them unless she so wishes to pass them on to another user to work on them. I didn't even /think/ of that. Thanks for pointing it out, Leggo.

Well, if that's what you guys want to do, then I will continue to work on them. However, since there have been a lot of comments on this, might I suggest we archive them to save room? 02:47, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? I reconstructed the mouth and eyebrow bone, gave the paws a more defined shape, and made the top of the hind foot less curvy. Also, shrank the blank more, it really should make the cat about the size of the apprentice blanks. 18:38, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... should there be a gap in where the tail meets the rest of the body? Like, kinda how Briarlight's warrior image is? (again, not real good with this kind of thing. ._.)

Cloudy's right there should be a gap but you shouldn't erase the whole line just like 2/3's of it or so, and when you do you'll need to make the top of the tail blend a little bit better with back or the lineart will kind of dip in wierd, I think. Also, on our left, the muzzle looks like it extends to far out, you need to start curving it in closer to the face. 00:24, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

-insert join.me session advice here just for the sake of it being on record- ouo 06:03, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded Ok, I gotta give major major MAJOR credit to Paleh's join.me session, and every detail was looked upon until she couldn't find anything else to critique. 8D  06:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Amazing! The only thing I can find fault with is that the far hind leg seems to be overall missing. 14:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

It's there, Blue. It's just the position of the cat, I can see a bit of white where you can fill it in~ Ca  na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 23:19, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think we've butchered this honestly, but perhaps that's just me. This is a completely optional choice for you to do whatever craziness that follows Ivy. Elongate the body, bring the front paw closest to us more forward (<-- that a way), perhaps move the hind-legs back just a tad, put the hind-leg paw down more, and lower the chest area and put a little angle at the front of it. 23:36, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry teldy but I have to disagree with most of that. The front paws are that far back when cats are running in this position, and it really helps to show movement, rather than just a cat floating there. And the chest probably wouldn't show too much on that.

But the back could be arched a biiit more, and the front paws drunk a bit. Maybe round the head a bit more too (I know that goes against what I said earleir, but...) 06:07, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Make the paws a little rounder, even out the eyes, make the body larger and the legs slightly shorter. Rotate the hock on the closes hind leg up a little bit. Make the haunch bigger and probably bend to go up higher. And I have to agree that the cat's raised paw is too far back. 06:21, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  04:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

The front left (our right) foot looks a lot larger than the rest of the feet. Also, thin out the tail a little? 22:48, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Move both ears forward slightly, and reduce how pronounced the stop on its face is. 22:57, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I don't get what you mean by the stop of the face, my apologies. Do you mean where the cheek bone is, the nose, or the chin? 06:41, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, the stop is where the muzzle and forehead meet. 15:55, December 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Do you think you could make the ears a touch more triangular, also? 00:13, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded  08:03, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

The front leg on <--this side looks a bit awkward the way it's bent. And the paw's a bit peculiar too. <span style="">08:06 Fri Dec 28

I suggest moving the ear (on --> side) closer to the face since it looks a tad out of place. -- S t  a  r  r  y  ~angelfase~  04:08, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tried :P  03:51, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The way it is now, it looks almost cartoon-y. Shrink the ears, elongate the body just a tad, and thin out that bottom paw. 06:36, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and elongate the legs and round the back. 06:43, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Reuploaded which paw? 21:21, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if I am allowed to comment, but the mouth on the left side, it looks a little odd. You should let it come up more instead of going down.Gummybearkiller (talk) 21:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The hind leg looks a bit too long, maybe give some more differentiation between the hip/flank and the actual leg? And show the pull on the shoulder muscle on the foreleg closest to us. Maybe scoot the head forward to make room for a bit of neck and shoulders? Maybe give some volume to the farthest forepaw, it looks a little flat. 00:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm kind of unsure what you mean in the first part  06:03, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you kinda tilt the image, or something? I don't know how to explain it, but it kinda looks like the cat's getting kicked in the shading place and flying away... sorry if I sound confusing I dunno how to explain it I'm not good with this stuff

Awesome! I think it is ready now.Gummybearkiller (talk) 22:59, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Gummy, there are still comments that need to be accomplished under this topic, so it is not ready just yet. Also, refrain from commenting just to say it looks nice. I know you're new, so this is just a reminder. :) 00:54, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

The anatomy could still use some re-working. The feet are oddly proportioned, the body is contorted oddly, the face anatomy looks off... sorry, but I can't think of how to be more helpful than that without being redundant. 21:31, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'll just casually place this here that I made with a reference I found  01:03, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Make the hind legs a touch bigger and maybe expand the head a bit so the features aren't quite so squashed 02:06, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

<33 I love it. The cat looks thin, not sure if that's supposed to look like that.  Giratina is not amused   03:19, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded How's this? 05:37, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw and make the "elbow" of the foreleg closest to us a bit bigger 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:21, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Move the elbow up a bit and make the shoulder larger and rounder. Also, straighten hind foot and make the paw rounder and erase that toe to fit in at least three, four if you can. Also, smooth and round out the top of the thigh, and move the our right ear and cheek forward a bit. And maybe shorten the extended leg a little. 21:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Alright, I tried, though I think I failed on bringing the cheek forward  04:31, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't mean that. I mean the side of the jaw. D: Sorry, bad phrasing. 04:36, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  01:19, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind paw closest to us still looks a bit odd, maybe try making it a bit bigger and sorta oval-y 04:56, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Like deese? 07:26, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart seems thicker...is it just my poor eyesight? x.x 05:26, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart thickness is two pixils thick all the way around (or it should be, at least)  06:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tail just a little longer. It looks stubby. I love these<3333 -Feather 10:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

=D The front paw farthest to us is thicker than the rest. It looks puffed up at the wrist. Fix that?  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas  20:27, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Forgive my terminology here; I study rabbit anatomy, not cats, but here goes : Bring up the hock/ankle joint of the hind foot closest to us up a bit, so the hind foot is at the same tilt as the front paw closest to us. Last, make the top curve on the shoulder a bit shorter and slightly flatter. 01:29, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I promise to reupload here in a bit, I'm having a friend of mine help me with this, along with the most recent submissions, and I'll reupload it here very soon. I know it's been 8 days since the last reupload, but if I could just have a little bit of leeway so my friend can help me perfect it, I'd really appreciate it. 03:31, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm still waiting for my friend to get back with me but figured I'd go ahead and work with these suggestions anyway to keep it going. 02:34, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Shoulder looks a bit wonky, lineart's too think on the top of the head, the back leg seems curved and almost broken like Cinderpelt's, the front paw closest to us is really thick, while the far one is too straight and thin.

Reuploaded So close...come on...let's get it there 05:55, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

http://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/4/44/Ivystripe.png The foot was bothering me, and I don't know if this position is right or not (I just uploaded it over my PI) but does this look better than the current way the back foot is positioned? 05:48, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten the far front leg a bit, and, on the closer front, switch that line going into the other from the arm going up to the shoulder going to the side. I think this is almost done and the others can be posted soon. 07:06, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Also redid lines in Sai with the binary tool, the lines look much better now! And I'm assuming you meant the second version was better? -is a total derp-  05:28, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. The foot in the above is much better. Could you make the far front leg just a liiiiittle thinner? And then I'd say go ahead and post the other three because this is looking amazing. 05:48, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Just checking in to make sure this is thin enough but not too thin! (fandom secret: son I am excite!)  06:06, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it looks good! Although I meant the foot as in the second version you have directly above. Put that one back on? ^^ 06:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Doh, that was my mistake! I forgot to switch the filename and junk. 06:22, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

This looks terrific. Go ahead and post the others. c: 06:24, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Although, it might be a good idea to archive what's here now. It's getting a bit long. 06:25, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but the jaw seems to jut out just a bit too much right now. It should kind of go in the lower it is. Just a little bit though. And this is preference I guess, but is there any chance you could make the eyes look a bit less angry? Also, could you make the proportions a bit closer to those of the apprentice blanks? These look like fully grown adults mostly instead of clearly young cats.

Reuploaded Kay, I did what you asked, but in looking at the apprentice blank, as well as a kitten to adult growth chart, I've found that most of it was in proportion with a younger cat. Larger ears, bigger eyes. I slimmed down his tummy some but honestly you're going to have to tell me what else is adult like about this. (I'm glad I didn't upload the longhairs in this case)  18:44, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes are on his forehead and his forehead is all bulgy 00:16, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

The eyes are not on the forehead or bulgy, I was instructed to make them larger and they are only a few tony little pixils larger than they were  01:30, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Alright, I'm going to be going to my Mom's for a few days and there's a high probability that there will be no Internet. Cloudy said I should go ahead and post all of them. Don't be afraid to crit the anatomy if it is wrong but I'm pretty sure it's close if not already so. The fur on the haunches is bugging me and I have no idea how you did it on the loners, Mountain XD  04:22, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

The fur on the chest and tail looks good, but you might thin out how many lines are on the haunches, since it looks a bit weird, and add some fluff on the underbellies. 05:42, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, this should have been addressed before uploading the longhairs, but with the position and angle this is at, I don't think the far back leg would be show past the shoulder at all.

Reuploaded Changes are not showing on some of them, dunno about for you guys  03:02, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to put CBA on these. 05:08, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but can you tighten <Small> in lack of a better word choice the flowing fur on the haunch. 02:45, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

The back leg is a tad stubby now that I look at it again... and the far back leg should show through the belly in that gap, just not past the shoulder or anything. Point the ends of the fur more so they don't look so round and kinda mop-like, make the lines not go in so far, and add more belly fur and elbow fur. Also, the whiskers that go outside the lineart should angle up more, as if they're running, the wind would be blowing them so they wouldn't just stick straight out.

Reuploaded And I'm sorry but I can't see where it's "stubby". And the fur looks a little sharp to me now but here you go 23:45, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

I have to disagree about the back leg being stubby. It looks like it is being pulled up, with the muscles bunching, which is exactly what should happen. It would look a bit shorter than normal, especially at the angle these are at and altering that would mess up the proportions. 23:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

CBA again? 17:32, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I think the haunch fur is a bit too... even for lack of better word. Most of the fur over there is all the same thickness and length. Try varying it a bit more. And maybe get rid of this reaaally thick spot in the longhair tail lineart?

Honestly, it's fine. It's not going to be perfect, and it looks fine to me. Re-CBA'ing. 01:45, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

StarClan Kit Blanks - For Approval
As far as I could tell I'm doing these. Go ahead and decline if I am mistaken. Comments?

No, you were supposed to be the one who made them, Breezey. They're your blanks, and it would be a lot easier for you to do it, since you have the files. Are they just shrunken versions of the blanks, then?

asdf yey~ Thicken the lineart by maybe one pixel if possible and if not don't worry about it, smooth it all out (it's kind chunky and overly pixely in some places) and maybe change the proportions a bit to seem more kit-like rather than just changing the size. Shrink the tail a bit, shoulders and paws and maaaaaybe ears (unsure on that one). Nice job! 04:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, there are some adjustments. Storter bodies, legs, wider chests, and larger heads. I tried to make them look like older kittens. I'll reupload later when I have more time. 04:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Observe. And this is a cat at six months. Bigger eyes and ears in proportion to the face. Stubby legs. Not so muscly. Pathetic-looking tail. 04:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want it to be this small, then they aren't older kittens in comparison to the regular blank. They're tiny, pretty much newborn, so the first image would be more appropriate. 04:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

They don't look resized correctly, like, you know how if you resize something in Paint, it gets all pixel-y? It sorta looks like that. Iaza can most likely resize it well if you try. did totally not stare at Shelly's kitten images for five minutes ouo  <font color="#306EFF">E <font color="#3BB9FF">c <font color="#FF00FF">h <font color="#F9B7FF">o   <font color="#52F3FF">EchoXFox  23:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

neither did i i swear Make them less pixel-y. -Feather 13:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Feather, don't repeat what's already said. Paleh's already said that. ._.

Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry x3 -Feather 18:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Due to my schedule changing, I can't work on these within the next week. Shelly has agreed to take over for me. 21:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the side of the tail <-- this way there are like two or three pixels that stick out from the rest of the lineart. Do we really need that? Or can it be removed because I don't really think it does anything. 17:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's a gap in > side of the eyes.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do I need to keep this pose? I mean, the living kit blanks don't match the warrior blanks. Of course, I would not change the pose without Breezey's permission. I can work with this pose, but I'd rather move it around to make it more obvious that this is a different blank. 00:32, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should keep the pose. That's the one we voted on, so you should really keep it....

You voted on the pose for the adult blanks. No one has voted on a pose for the kits. 00:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Technically we didn't /vote/ vote, but we all agreed, yes. We agreed on shrinking the blank, not making a totally new one. I would strongly disagree with making a new blank altogether. So yup, same pose please. edit conflict ffff 00:43, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bah, fine. If that's what you guys want. 00:48, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

* pops in* I really don't think you need to make them exactly the same. As long as it's a cat lying down at this sort of angle, if the blanks need to be moved around to accommodate the anatomy of a kitten then I'd say go for it. 04:52, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, they probably should be a bit distinguished. Otherwise, they might be confused for thumbs of the StarClan blanks. 04:53, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! And yeah, I think that the pose is a bit too flexible for a kitten. How about this: Facing the opposite direction (head on the left instead of the right) and the back legs facing us. Not that different, but different enough to distinguish it from the full-grown blank. 05:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, we agreed before (at least mostly) to simply shrink it. Unless a whole new discussion is brought up and there's majority agreement on there, I think it should stick with what we decided. 05:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless a vote was held, I am not constrained to one. It's Breeze's blank and if she gives me permission to alter them slightly, which she has, then I shall be doing so. 14:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Alright. Flipped and made to look more like a kitten in general. Shorter tail, stubbier legs, bigger features in proportion to the size of the head, larger ears in proportion to the head. (hates lineart) I know the lines are a bit choppy for now, but I'll be cleaning that up later. 22:37, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

So any discussion that comes to an agreement that isn't a vote can just be ignored if one person says do it anyways? I mean, if you're just flipping them, I don't much care, but that logic makes no sense. Anyways, the legs are almost too stubby, even for a kit, and the one on its right is oddly positioned. 03:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin out the shoulder, it makes the kit look //really// buff lol 03:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there black specks on <--- this side of the image? O.o 17:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Even out the lineart so that it's relatively the same thickness throughout the image, especially on the ears, tail, and the paws. 17:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, shall be reuploading tonight after classes. 17:21, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

This is really cute! Referencing to this I think the muzzle needs to be a litttlllleeeee smaller... 00:23, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Before you complain about the tail being moved, please note that I only did it because the former position of the tail was impossible without the spine being broken. I know that this is a dead kit we're looking at, but I'm pretty sure most of them didn't die of spinal injuries. 01:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

The tail was originally taken from a photograph. It was totally possible. Please change it back, there was nothing wrong with it. 02:00, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Show me the photo then. 02:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

This was the photo. As you can probably tell from the position of the tail markings, the cat is not, in fact, lying on it's side. Not completely. Its legs are tucked under and it is on its side a little bit, but mostly it's on its belly. That would mean that the position of the tail in the StarClan blanks is actually sweeping mostly to the side, which is completely possible and done to save space. 07:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Except the tail in that photo is nothing like the tail in the blanks. The tail in the blanks is sweeping backwards and to the side, indicated by the fact that it overlaps the back of the cat. That position is impossible with the rest of the cat's spine angled as it is. Trust me, I've tried it with my cat, and her tail was both not that long and not able to form that kind of arc with the rest of her spine as it was. The tail, especially when a cat is relaxed and not trying to look threatening, follows the curve of the spine, and the position of the tail used before was impossible unless it was broken at the base and somehow still functioning. Not every blank needs to showcase the tail prominently, don't make such a big deal out of me using proper anatomy. 14:47, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unless you guys want me to move it so the cat's legs are facing up and not away, I cannot possible realistically move the tail back. 14:49, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Or I could compromise and have the tail match the position in the photo. That way the image still shows the tail and it's anatomically correct. But there's no point in going against what's possible for the purpose of saving space when these blanks are the second smallest ones we've got now. Even the adult ones, had the tail been laid out, would only be probably about as big as the loner or rogue blanks. 01:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The tail position was perfectly fine with the normal size blanks if referenced off that image. Regardless of whether the tail was that way in the image, you can clearly see how the back's facing, and with it being how it is in the photo, there was nothing at all wrong with the tail. We agreed on a shrunken version of the SC blanks. If you want to do something other than that, which is what you're doing now, go bring it up. Vote or not, an agreement's an agreement and you can't just go against it without any kind of discussion because you want to. Please change it back or bring up a discussion about doing something other than simply a shrunken SC blank.

You had five members even comment after you brought up shrinking the old blanks and only two even mention resizing the old blanks. You call that consensus? The only thing that was agreed upon, and I hardly call that agreement consensus since only a small portion of the project took part in the discussion, was the fact that these would be made. They were handed off to me and I will be using correct anatomy. According to Breezey, this blank has the back facing us in the rump area, a position the photo provided does not have and the tail doesn't match the photo at all. So I'm either leaving this tail as is or I'm matching the photo, but I'm not going against proper anatomy based on the "agreement" of two or three members of the project. 02:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

That was the conclusion we came to on the discussion though. >.> If it wasn't enough agreement to go on, these blanks wouldn't be up at all right now. As I said, if you want to not do a shrunken version, go bring it up. Until then, please stick with what the conclusion was on the discussion. And actually, according to whiskey, the blanks are in the position of that photo, and the spine was facing up. Having the tail to the side is perfectly normal. Are you saying cats can't sweep their tails to the side at all? It not improper anatomy to have the tails like that, they were fine.

I know full well what Breeze told me, the spine is facing us. And no, the anatomy is incorrect, and no, I see no project consensus over how the blanks should be done, only that they should be done. I'm not breaking the tail, Paleclaw, and that's that. You wanna prove me wrong on the anatomy, by all means provide me proof that a tail can bend like that in this position. 02:34, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me but go read whiskey's last post. She clearly said that the back's not facing us. It was perfectly natural and you wouldn't be breaking the tail. And the discussion ended after the conclusion was asked for, given by everyone who was still actually paying attention to the discussion. If you think the discussion didn't come to an agreement, these shouldn't be up at all. If that's the case these should be declined until further agreement is actually made, in your opinion, to do the kit blanks at all. If not, go with what the conclusion was. 02:39, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I am going with the conclusion. The conclusion was to make the blanks. No conclusion was made concerning what they should look like. And Breezey has told me that the spine is facing us. If it wasn't the blank would be flat on the bottom, not curved like a haunch is, and we'd see part of a foot at least unless the blank was meant to be obese. I know what I was told, and I know what the conclusion of that discussion was. If you have a problem with what I'm doing, you start a discussion, but I'm going to continue doing my best to make the best blanks I can for this project with correct anatomy. 02:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Now can you please just let me be? I'm just a weary old member trying to do one last thing for this project and trying to do it as right as I can. This discussion is going nowhere fast, and you're the only one complaining so far. I'm not hurting anyone or breaking any rules. I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do and get these done. Now unless you have another critique, please just drop it. 02:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody can read can see what whiskey said in her last post. The spine's not facing us. And if you think the anatomy on them is so bad, why don't we just throw out the SC blanks at start from scratch with your anatomy then, hm? =.= They were references straight off a photo and the cat wasn't obese. Give me one good reason, with that all in mind, not to stick with the shrunken SC blanks other than just cause you think you can do better.

I have no reason to start yet another discussion on something already discussed and concluded to prove to you that the conclusion was to shrink the SC blanks. Go look at the discussion, that was what was decided at the end. I'm telling you to go with the conclusion, which you're not, and you're saying to go against. How exactly do you think I'm the one who needs to start a discussion then?

I'm going to be blunt here, you're being really disrespectful to Whiskey and how she made the blanks, and also very arrogant in thinking you can change whatever you like cause you think you can do better. The blanks were fine as they they were and if they weren't they wouldn't have been approved.

And no, I'm sorry, I will not let you be when you're being disrespectful to other members and refusing to go with what was decided on. Whiskey gave these to you thinking you would do a good job on them since she didn't have the chance to do this. Yet now you're ragging on her blanks. That's a lovely way to thank her, no?

I don't ever remember agreeing to allow you to redo the blanks. I agreed to shrink them and keep the same pose. Nor did anyone else, save for Breezey, I /think/. If you're going to redo the blanks, then I think a vote should be made, since you're basically doing whatever you want with them and forcing us to go along with it. You can't just say that you disagree with Paleh and be done with it, you know. Just because you're the "artist" of the blanks does not entitle you to disregard everything Paleh's told you. I'm not stepping in as an artist, but as /the deputy of the project/. I don't care how they're done, so as long as they're done fairly. Right now, this doesn't seem very fair, as you're basically telling Paleh to go away when she's offering critique, which last I checked, is the basis of the project, and what you asked for. That's not very...proper, I think, when many others have gotten told off, or worse, for doing the same thing you're doing now.

Stop the petty bickering, come to an agreement, or else I can and will assert my powers as deputy, and I'm sure Scarlet would be glad to help me. I'm getting quite tired of this, and seeing no progress being made. They're /blanks/, for Skorm's sake. I don't care what issues you have with each other; put them aside for the good of the project.

Mmkay, first off:

If everything that got approved was fine, we wouldn't have a tweak page.

How am I being disrespectful when I'm just trying to fix some anatomy? I never said she did a bad job, I said that the pose wasn't possible with the tail as it was.

Breeze said that the cat in the photo had it's spine facing up, not the cat in the blank. She told me personally shortly after her blanks were approved that the spine was facing us. I promise you, I'm not lying.

I still see absolutely no consensus in that discussion as to what the blanks should look like, only that they should be made.

I am not acting arrogant thinking I can do whatever I want. I moved the dang tail. If I could do whatever I want I'd have changed the entire thing because I don't think that the blank needs to look anything like the adult blanks, but I respected Breeze's work and kept the pose. I just corrected it for anatomy and now you guys are going off on me continually just because of that. So excuse me for getting annoyed, especially when lately I haven't been given any say in how I've been able to do anything. Why should I start a discussion when you're the ones that ended it without finalizing this part of it or any semblance of a vote? Yes, concensus was reached to make the blanks, but none was reached in how they should look, so why shouldn't I move the tail? I may not have every say in what I can do, but I am allowed to make one danged decision based on proper anatomy. If you guys want to see the tail so bad, I can match the photo, but I'm not moving it back. 03:12, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

We didn't have a vote, I believe, because Breezey was supposed to shrink her blanks, and we were going to work with that. Now that she passed them onto you, it's an entirely new game.

If there's no consensus, then these blanks should not be up for approval until said consensus has been reached. Based on that alone, these should be declined until such agreement has been reached.

I won't comment on the anatomy part because I know nothing about it.

Last time I checked, artists are allowed to pass off their work to whomever they choose, and Breeze chose me. Why should I be subject to a vote when she was not? Why should I be on trial just for doing what I was asked to do when no consensus was reached based on what the blanks should look like? Why can't I just make this one decision on my own? There was consensus that these blanks should be made and you guys just let Breeze put them up, so I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong by finishing them on her request. 03:20, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous. Yes, I did give Shelly the right to do the blanks, and I voiced my opinion that they should be in some way distinguished from the bigger ones. However, I do not remember saying that the cat was complete on it's side, just that Lionheart's markings were about right. I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the cat was on its side. However, nor do I remember saying that it was completely on it's belly and I'd appreciate it if words weren't put into my metaphorical mouth, thank you. The cat is not in a relaxed pose. It is in an attentive, ready to move pose, likely in the process of shifting it's legs underneath it to stand up to investigate whatever had roused it. So it is slightly on its side and slightly on its belly, it's tail sweeping to the side, since, as can be seen from the image I linked, it is actually laying...vertical? Unfortunately, pixels blanks have limited space and make it relatively difficult to add all the bumps and curves into the cat and still make it colorable and good-looking. So before you go off to request the tails be tweaked on the StarClan blanks, know that they are completely possible and I did do my research.

Now, this is my personal solution, and requires at least three senior warriors to agree (like a tweak), excluding those arguing on this image due to bias: The blank's tail can take up the position of the reference image - it is a kit's after all and likely not as long and flexible as an adult's - but no other changes in position can be done unless it is requested by those critiquing the image. Also, if any other arguments pop up on this image, it will be immediately declined and a new artist will be found to do the blanks. I don't see why this needs to be taken to the talk page when it can be settled right here, though it is not our traditional approach. Deal? 04:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing with Breezey on this one. Since I was technically involved when I spoke up there, my say doesn't count. But, I'll voice it anyways, since I'm entitled to do so. Any other arguments that need to be argued can be done outside of the approval page, I think, and perhaps within a PM in the chat or something.


 * -nods- That seems fair for all sides, and I'll accept whatever's decided on through that. I apologize for making such a fuss, I'm just quite stubborn about my opinions, not to mention the fact I'm quite fond of the SC blanks. And I must say I'm quite impressed with you ability to come up with a resolution that's fair for all sides. I promise to accept it and not get involved in anymore arguments.

Since I already told you guys I'd be willing to make that compromise, of course I'd be happy to do it. And I wasn't going to request a tweak of the blanks. 05:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll agree. It's a good compromise, and both sides are treated fairly. I also agree with Cloudy, any other discussion on this matter should be taken elsewhere. 06:03, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody else? 06:53, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, as well. 04:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, sounds good. 04:16, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Whelp that's three then. On a different subject, can you even out the lineart a bit more? It's thicker on the front part of the body than it is on the back. And the far front paw still seems at an odd angle.

Re-uploaded. Moved the tail. I'm going to be offline for a few days while my cable/internet provider is changed and this is all I have time to do right now. 06:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tail looks a bit long. And the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/

Re-uploaded. If you can't get more specific than "the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/", I can hardly interpret that in any productive way to fix it. 03:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I tried redlining it, if that's ok. I wasn't too sure on the tail, so ignore it if it's wrong. 03:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, if you can't see it I'll go into detail. It angels inwards while being completely straight, and though angling inward is fine, as you can see the shoulder on the side, the foreleg seems to bend in a way that doesn't look very natural, and also makes it seem too short. Either make it point out straight, make it a bit longer and put a bit more curve in it, or do something else of the sort. Also make the tail a bit thinner, as it seems quite thick for a kitten, and possible move it down closer to where the body meets the floor, as it gives the impression it's floating right now because of the perspective.

You also might add some structure to the wrist joint of the far foreleg and soften the toes on both, since these are very distinct. The head doesn't connect with the neck on our left very well either, so try to mess with the curve to smooth it out. Also, at this angle you would be able to see both shoulders distinctly, even if it is a kitten, so add some lines on the chest to give the far shoulder some definition. 23:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can one of you redline that paw? I'm having trouble getting it right. Bloo, I appreciate the redline, but it's not really what I'm going for. 23:16, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Stonetooth (Star) - For Approval
Ohhai. 8D 00:08, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes don't match the pattern of the elder. Make sure they're in the right spots and the same thinkness and smudginess as the other images. 06:56, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Breezy, I tried to copy the stripes as much as I could. I'm so bad at chararts that I would kill myself. 22:08, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps show depth from the tooth extending over the jaw? I'm really bad at explaining, I hope you know what I mean ;w; Also color in the nose. 23:23, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' stupid wiki not showing changes -.- 00:12, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

The tooth wouldn't be that long, and it'd be a bit hooked. 04:16, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The tooth is being difficult.. 13:55, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

The pattern still doesn't match very well. Thicken the stripes some, and hook that tooth the other direction. But besides that, this is a good image and well over 50%, and also 80%, complete. I'll add you as an apprentice now. 07:06, March 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * D Wee~ Do I keep my apprentice state, even if the image is declined? 00:25, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you do. We don't demote for declined chararts.

Could you blur that back highlight a bit, and then define the shoulder highlight? Last, he looks a bit like a dappled tabby at the moment...could you make the stripes longer and erase a few of the smaller flecks? 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Sorry for inactivity ^^;" 12:44, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

He still doesn't match quite right. thicken the stripes on the shoulder and follow the pattern more carefully. 07:34, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

His tooth should be more like a triangle or something, it looks strange right now. 22:58, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 01:54, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. Re-uploaded. 20:56, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

I thinking about withdrawing this, but not yet, do I still stay as an apprentice if I do? 15:39, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Of course. 22:54, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 21:15, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Snowstar (Star)- For Approval
merpp. need help with the texture. 01:46, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading. Yes, you can pick, but I think this is much too dark for it to really be artist's choice. Also, define the ear pink.

You may also want to consider smoothing it out some. Also, I wouldn't worry about the texture, but if you're willing to try it, you should try smudging the shading with a very small (1px) brush. I also suggest you duplicate the shading layer in case you dislike the texture. It'll take some time, but it should pay off in the end. ;) 23:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

My, this is pretty! There seems to be some empty pixels in the eye, along with a bit of brown that shouldn't be there. Last, could you also identify the depth of the eyes? This is really gorgeous in my opinion, Bramblewind! 23:52, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

^I'm pretty sure they aren't blank pixles, they're most likley reflections from the light. And I think the brown is okay, it gives it a bit of a realistic effect. But anyone can deny if they want. . 01:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

They're supposed to be stars cause he's in starclan :) by the way atelda by smooth it out do you mean, like, blur it more? 04:28, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Erfka derf, sorry about that. But maybe still define eye depth? 23:54, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thats cause i hadnt reuploaded yet. well now i just did pwned wait what? anyway deepend eyes, blurred the shading alot, added another layer of earpink. the texture didnt turn out so hot thoughit was hot- a HOT MESS lightened the shading too, i personally think its a little too light. Anyoune agree? ;)   00:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts of the tail. 03:56, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

This also looks well over 50% and 80% done. I'm changing the heading and I'll move you up to an apprentice. 21:58, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uppy :) yeyyy apprenticehood 02:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Critique? Heelooo... *echo* *wind whistles by* 06:17, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Bramblewind, please be patient with us. I don't know if changes are showing, but the shading still seems a tad bit dark to me. You could always try tinting it, but that's just a suggestion, I'm not telling you that you have to. 23:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ivy it was two whole days, they had plenty enough right and reason to ask for critique, they're fine. As for the image, it still needs to be textured, and the "highlights" seem really bright, whether that just being a bright base coat with dark shading or actual highlights, it just seems really... shiny.

Reupload. Sorry for teh inactivity, dang teachers need to stop giving so much hw... and also sorry for being stupid, i cudda waited a bit longer :/. anyway yah darkend highlights, lightened shading, redid texture. 16:26, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the texture. x3 17:14, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Up 'yo 05:34, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lovely charart. CBA? 21:12, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but the texture on the leader looks more...cloudy then the simple lines. Make it match more? Bb un   legs  21:58, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Fox (Ro) (Ro)~ For Approval
Texture~ <span style="">01:46, 03/7/2013

The texture doesn't really look like it's going with the flow of the fur very well.. Also, define the shading. It's dark enough, though. Just needs to be unblurred a bit.

Define the unshaded part of the tail. <span style="">01:55, 07, 03, 2013

Re-uploaded Gah texture. <span style="">03:57, 03/7/2013

Define the shading. 00:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

And blur it as well. 22:33, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Merph. My computer restarted randomly and I hadn't saved the layered image with the new texture so that got redone again. <span style="">05:10, 03/9/2013

He looks pretty reddish to me. It's personal preference, but do you think you could move his brown to something more orange or red-orange? 07:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and tail a bit love.

Re-uploaded <span style="">07:38, 03/13/2013

He looks a bit blotchy. I know it's probably the texture, but could you try to smooth out his shading? 01:50, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Just re-did the shading. <span style="">01:41, 03/16/2013

Define the shading on the chest and face and maybe (you don't have to) make the earpink and nose a bit less bubblegum pink? 22:55, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Silver Frost(E) - For Approval
Based off of a mary-sue looking cat, comments? I kinda like this. =D

The shading's making it look a bit grey. Fix that? very nice <span style="">05:51 Sun Mar 10

Maybe smudge the grey a bit? Lovely Duck Bloo  and  Brokenstar~ 05:55, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

The grey can stay as it is - it's fine. <span style="">05:57 Sun Mar 10

Re-uploaded Thanks Bloo =) 06:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading tons and make the white a little less grey lookin 06:47, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 19:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth the shading out a bit. 23:20, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

It might just be my screen or how you tinted it if you did, but the white looks creamy or pale red almost. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 19:43, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded It was the red-tinted shading, Pad. 8D Blue and purple tints ftw~  Changes are not showing. 22:53, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

White's a bit gray, either lighten the base white or make the shading a bit thinner so it doesn't spread over so much of the white?

Re-uploaded asdfghjk;' This shading... 02:39, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define or darken the shading just a bit? 04:15, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

And blur it a touch, too? 04:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 12:27, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Im not sure but I see some waste around. Or my monitor is dirty.. ._. 12:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I see it too Leafy. Also blur the front leg's shading. 22:52, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

The patches on the face are fine, but on the patches on her back, they almost look motion blurred to me. I'm not sure if that's just me or not, but the blurring on them do look different from the face  00:05, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I think the patches are fine, the only layer that I used motion blur on was one of my shading layers, which is hidden because it looked bad, so I didn't change them. 00:54, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the front leg shading, and there's waste near the chest and bottom right corner. Be e   bs  00:57, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

There's a white pixel on the tip of the tail and on the gray paw. Could you blur the patches just a bit?

Blur the shading between the two legs facing us and stomach area (searching my cat vocabulary here...) 02:13, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Also not sure but I still see some waste in front of the gray front paw.. Nice job though! 03:58, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

There is actually waste around the whole charart, I think you erased close to the body, but not a bit farther out. . 01:42, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

The best way to remove all the waste it to select outside of the lineart layer, then go on your shading layer and do the "cut" or "clear" option. This should be similar and work on all programs (though, Sai's select tool isn't my personal favorite, if'n you do it on that)  17:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading.

Re-uploaded 02:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading more-so on the gray. 14:19, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 17:12, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

The gray needs to be blurred, the shading needs to be blurred, and the entire shading needs to be defined. 19:41, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The gray and shading are blurred enough, but I did darken the shading a bit. 23:16, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

No, I think Icy's right. Blur the gray just a little bit? The white's also looking a tad gray, but I think that's alright since shading white and gray is a pain.

Re-uploaded 02:36, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Make the shading less blurred on the white.

I honestly think that it's fine, I'll just get told to blur it again if I unblur it, but if someone else agrees, then I'll do it. 02:19, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having a rough time seeing the shading in general. It needs to be defined a lot, as it's overblurred and making the white seem darker than it should be.

Acornpaw (A) ~ CBA
lol this sucks 05:07, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

He's sweet! I think there's some black lineart on the right corner of his mouth - it looks like he's chewing something. Remove?☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I don't think that's lineart. I think it's just how the texture was smudged.

Re-uplaoded. Wasn't the lineart since I put it on a different layer, just some stray texture. xD 22:08, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Could you soften the texture a little? 01:41, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded o 02:36, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe define the tail shading a wee bit? ermegersh trolly <33 Be  e   bs  23:23, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

So I'm withdrawing this.... one day he'll get his image  00:09, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

GIMP is working, I will take over owo. 00:14, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded *shot* I never realized how hard the color brown is to make not gross. . 01:29, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading a tad. Be e   bs  01:30, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''I just noticed some waste, I'll get that on the next re-upload. . 03:41, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

He seems greenish. Mayhap make him toward more red/orange. 08:51, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 22:40, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Color in the nose. Looks cute c: <span style="">18:37 Sun Mar 17 18:37, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 02:05, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly can't see anything wrong with this. Let's try a CBA ^^  02:49, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Seems a bit golden, move it just a taaad closer to the red on the color wheel/bar.

Re-uploaded. 03:05, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Comments before approval, anyone?

Graywing (WC) (K) ~ Withdrawn
Comments? -Feather 20:57, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten him a tad and define the shading. He looks black. Be e   bs  21:02, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 21:06, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading? 01:41, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

I can see waste along the back. o3o 23:25, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded part of the tail? 23:35, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

This needs to be named File:Graywing (WC).kit.png.

Re-uploaded.  -Feather 17:45, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Erase the easte around the tail please!:) . 23:11, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the shading a bit to match the leader.

I've lost the PXD. Withdrawn. -Feather 18:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

That's fine, but next time remember to change the heading so they know ^^ Anyone with a free project may take this over if they wish. 23:29, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Snow Hare (E) - For Approval
First white cat... Comments? 07:56, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and lighten it a tad..although if you blur it, you may not /have/ to lighten it, and that's totally up to you. The shading makes parts of it look awfully gray. Not bad for your first white cat, and I can testify that they're often very difficult to shade properly so they still look white. x.x

Re-uploaded. I tried changing the color of the shading. Changes may not be showing. 08:24, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...much better (I really like that tint .o.), but I think it needs to be blurred a bit more, especially along the back.

Re-uploaded  08:32, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Add more shading, it looks that she had almost none. great job deree 23:17, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Also, there's a blank pixel in the eye. Fill it in, please? =3 23:18, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 01:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a wee bit? It kinda looks dark for a white cat. Otherwise, excellent job! Be e   bs  01:31, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I think the shading that was there before Cloudwhisker commented was perfectly acceptable. I disagree with the improvement you made on the image. However, others may disagree with me, and changing it is entirely up to you.

I must agree with what cloudy has to say, it didn't need anymore shading and I preferred the image in the last upload. And Beebs, white cats can have dark shading just fine so long as the shading doesn't make the entire image look gray, which this doesn't at all.

So, I guess I can revert it back? 01:43, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you're more than welcome to. Also, as a head's up, Bloo. If you don't want to do something another member requests, you're more than welcome to say no to a critique.

'''Re-uploaded. '''Thanks for the tip Cloud. 01:49, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a tad. Wonderful image~ 17:11, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading's blurred enough, actually.

Tansypaw (Star) ~ CBA
Wee, a new Vicky's facebook answer from a month ago said all CJ cats were SkyClan ancestors(well, the SkyClan ones, at least.) Comments? Be e   bs  00:02, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. Also...the color seems to be a bit off. Did you tint the shading?

Re-up. Yeah, I tinted the shading a tad. Bb un   legs  14:27, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe define the tail shading just a wee bit. 01:34, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-up. Bb un   legs  01:39, March 18, 2013 (UTC)'''

Add an unshaded spot to the chest, it looks really flat.

Re-up. Ahh I don't like this unshaded spot but oh well x.x Bb  un   legs  14:53, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Round out the face shading a little, maybe. 00:20, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-up. Bb  un   legs  00:25, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

I guess we'll try for a CBA on this. 23:21, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Misty Water (E) ~ For Approval
Eh, I'll probably alter the design in the morning, but I wanted to see what came out if I was only half conscious at the time. 03:42, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mayhap smudge a little of the darker fur in the ear so it doesn;t look like it stops so abruptly. 06:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I also made the fur a biiiit smoother. I was going for a haggared look, but not too hair-like. Furry is better. 23:15, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Shaded Moss (Ro) ~ For Approval
first original rogue since way back with Antpelt lol. caooments? <span style="">08:00 Sat Mar 16

Ooh~ This is pretty! Can you define the light on the hind flank a touch more ...or it might also be my horrible eyesight... eheheh  16:09, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Really good! Idk if its just me, but the black is a little flat but good job! 18:29, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

It's difficult to tell that he has green eyes, and aside from the highlight the eye just looks like one dark mass. 02:48, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded just redid it because it's annoying the absolute hell out of me <span style="">08:09 Wed Mar 20

Rainswept Flower (R) ~ For Approval
I added a pale belly and paws. ouo I asked to make sure it was ok, and thank god it was, or this would have had a different outcome... Anyway, she's my last charart as an apprentice~! Comments? 21:16, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a little green. Nice~ 22:38, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Oh yessss. Sexxxahhh. 21:16, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

The pale parts still look quite yellow-greenish. =) 22:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading too. 23:39, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reups~  17:36, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the paws and muzzle? 23:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the patch on the belly too? 23:28, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the belly. And darken the pale parts, they look kinda off-white right now.

Bumble (KP) - CBA
Austria collar C: So um yeah. I like doing kittypets. As for the tortoiseshell part... eh. 01:58, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

The paws look a little grey. This is cute Splooky   03:12, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks c:   04:18, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

blur the earpink a wee bit -steals- 02:30, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''C: <span style="">22:03 Mon Mar 18 22:03, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

CBA plz 05:12, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but the pattern doesn't seem very dappled. More brindled than anything else. Could you make it more dapple-y?

Reuploaded. I'd rather not redo the entire pattern, so I added dapples to both the tan and black. Better? <span style="">00:45 Thu Mar 21

Comments before approval? 01:12, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thunder (Ki) ~ For Approval
Here's the cute little guy - I will do something about the paws later. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange, and define the shading everywhere but on the curve to our right, which sould be blurred a bit. Does this make sense? xD 16:40, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I was just doing that now; I looked at it and realised about the odd looking paws and the light shading. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the white. 17:10, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's also some waste near the paws. 17:14, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Differences may not show for a while...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Reuploaded There was a bit of darker colour in his left paw. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The paws are looking gray and the shading on them is kinda flat. Possibly define them? Also, I know some people don't use pure white, and you may have been told it's wrong to do so, but you /can/. Why not try that, if you haven't already?

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange some more. <span style="">01:31, 03/19/2013

Reuploaded How bout this? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Lighten his base pelt a little? The other images look lighter to me. 23:09, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the stripes. The paws also almost look tinted to me in his other images but that could just be me :U  23:52, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

👍,paws are a bit greyish :P 02:00, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I picked the colours from his images; but maybe the shading made it look darker. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the paws just a tad. 21:08, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Blur and darken the shading some.

Weaselwhisker (Star) - For Approval
I think I got the pattern. .-. Comments? 20:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the paws ever so slightly? If you don't want to, that's cool with me. This is a wonderful image. .o. I can haz steal please?

Quick Water (Ro) ~ CBA
Meh 08:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

This is just preference, but the fur looks a little pixily to me. If you want, could you smoothen it a tad? This is wonderful (and kind of reminds me of my cat!) 18:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks C: 23:52, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a little too dark to be gray and white, it looks more black and white. Lighten the gray a bit? Bb un   legs  00:18, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Actually she's around the same sort of shade as Holloyflower, and it never specifies (as far as I know) her shade, so I think it's ok. 00:22, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

No, I agree with Beebs, I thought she was black and white :S 02:03, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

The color is perfectly acceptable. It looks gray and white to me, and since her shade is never specified, the darkness of the gray is artist's choice.

I'm sorry but I must agree with them, it looks near black. Darker than cats specifically described as near black. I think it could be lightened just a bit.

Re-uploaded. I lightened the texture some, but the base is fine. It's about Yellowfang's colour if not slightly lighter, and the other bits are shading. 02:18, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

This be cool. CBA?

Stoatfur (Star) - CBA
Impossible to match pattern is flipping impossible to match. Ffff. This is the best I could do in such a different position. x.x But ah well, wheeee Stoat~ Comments?

Can you define the unshaded part on the tail? Love the pattern oh my o:  21:07, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not really, trust me without the markings there it's very defined, but it goes kinda wonky when you put dark on the unshaded part and white on the shaded part. Happened on the warrior tail too. Not much I can to about it, sorry.

CBA?

Cloud Spots (Ro) ~ For Approval
Comments? 15:19, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the ear furthest from us, whiten the white and define the shading a tad. Bb un   legs  15:21, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

The light source doesn't really make sense on the paws 15:32, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up. You don't have to match the style for Cloudspots, since we have no confirmation it's actually him.

The white on the chest seems to stretch a bit too far, so he has white shoulders now rather than just a white chest. Shrink it down a bit?

The white looks very gray. Not so sure about the general light source either... 02:13, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this belongs here or not, but if a character's name and description match that of an existing cat and for the time period, wouldn't it save some grief to match the pattern so it doesn't have to get redone later? I mean yeah, there's no proof, but it'd save tweaking it. 02:45, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

It's completely up to the artist, but yes, it'd save later tweaking if the character's confirmed, if the artist chooses to do so.

Petalfall (Star) ~ For Approval
Eheheh... Comments? <span style="">00:27, 20, 03, 2013

Blur the paw shading a tad? 21:05, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Duskwater (E) ~ For Approval
All colors are the same as the StarClan image. Comments?

Falling Feather (Ro) - For Approval
Woo~ It's been a while since I did a rogue 01:40, March 21, 2013 (UTC)