Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

A Suggestion
Okay, so i have a suggestion to help speed up the approval process. There's this website called Join.me that allows people to see and interact the host's screen. If we use this website to see another screen while making a charart, we could give them comment before they put the image for approval, and even show them how to do different things. I definitly think this would help speed up the aproval process, and it could also be good for mentors to teach/help their apprentices. ☾ ~Pouncey~ ☽ 23:15, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

That's not half bad of an idea, Fallow. Is the website free, and does it require any downloading? 23:17, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's free, but you do have to download it. It's nothing major. ☾ ~Pouncey~ ☽ 23:20, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. I know I'd download it, since this is my computer, but I don't know if anyone else would. 01:23, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm using it now, and I didn't have to download much. Just a simple .exe file that doesn't change anything. It's kinda like Team Viewer (as Splook, Rainwhisper and Icebrain would know about), with the exception it doesn't crap out after a few minutes. xD 01:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know I think its best to leave out as much downloading and off-wiki websites as possible, some people are very... internet challenged XD. Just what I think. 01:32, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I just made Clovertai's queen with about 8 people watching, and it worked magically. They gave critiques while I was actually doing the image. I love it. 02:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I love it too. When I made Snake's loner image Fallow even helped me with the collar. You can share control with other users on so they can help you out. I use it <3 02:30, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's a very useful program, I use it when I work on other drawings. I can vouch for it. :3 02:37, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. It wouldn't be compulsory, opinional right? It's a great site, thanks Fallow! 05:37, Mon, Feb, 20, 2012

DJ, if you don't want to use the site, you don't have to. No one can force you to do anything here. =P 05:59, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Is there a way to create a PCA... I want to say station? It confuses me alot :( 15:57, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Also how do others look at your screen? 16:01, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, I'd totally use this, but I'm totally confused and have no idea what to do... xD Would someone help me out? 16:12, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, so basically, one person makes a "meeting" (that's what join.me calls it) and they give someone else their code, and whoever goes on it can see the host's screen. For pca purposes, someone who's making a charart and would like some opinions on it would give other members of pca their 9 digit code and they could come on and give critiques as they made the charart. We did that with Oblivion while she was making her charart, and I did it with Mooneh yesterday.

We could make a pca station, but that would require someone's email address, and only one user could do it at a time. I think it would just be easier to let each user make their own station then to share one as a project.

I'm not quite such how they see your screen xD You just go on join.me, type in their code, and their computer screen it there on your window. If we do make this part of pca, I think we would need some rules to protect the host's privacy (example: no going on Facebook while on join.me)

What I was thinking for the mentoring program, the apprentice would host a meeting on join.me, and give their mentor the code to help then with things.

Adding to that, the host can give a user who is in the meeting control of their screen. I think this could be helpful for mentors and apprentices, as the apprentice would give their mentor control to show them how to blur or smudge or something along those lines.

So that's a basic run through of what I was thinking and how join.me works xD ☾ ~Pouncey~  ☽  21:36, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I've used join.me before, and I will say, it's quite helpful. It's a great way if mentoring your PCA apprentice, or getting critique on a charart before posting. I'd use this for sure. ;) 00:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Fallow! :D 05:11, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if this was said before, but where do you give your join code to others? The Wiki chat? 17:00, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Leafstrike, I'd say either the chat via private messages or email. Not right out in public where evryone can see it. 05:36, 27, 02, 2012

Tweak Rogue Blanks
Okay this has been brought up a few times but I think we need to fix the rogue blanks, we redid the apprentice blanks for their ears, well the rogue blank ears are huge, I'm not saying we need to completely redo them just tweak them. Also the tails are very short and unnatural, and some of the rogue blanks are different sizes. There are 66 rogues, and we've already put up all the loners so we could start on these. Comments? 16:33, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The ears may have to be tweaked but I think they are ok. I think the main issue with the rogues is the whiskers. I don't really notice the size differences. 16:46, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you guys both. The rogue blanks have always bugged me >.< 17:08, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, and I think the legs would be less stick-like, too. At least they don't look like dogs, though, so I don't think a total overhaul would be necessary. 17:14, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Finally! Those have always been my least favorite blanks. xD I personally would be fine with a redo. 17:46, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Nuu for that love of Stripes XD I think they would be to fix than to redo. 17:48, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I think a redo would be good. Since I already have Tangle reserved, can I just keep him as reserved until the blanks are fixed/redone? 19:03, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

It depends on if we go through with this, Silver.

Since we have mxed opinions on tweaking vs redoing the blanks, why not hold another vote? This time people can either submit blanks to tweak or to redo, and of course we'd have a choice where people can opt to not change the blanks at all. Sound good? 19:31, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. 19:33, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, if we redid them I vote for the same pose. 20:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, but I don't think they should be redone. I am highly against it, actually. Just a few minor things. 00:01, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

We could still have a vote. If people don't want them to be redone, they won't be redone. 00:13, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have two, one if we should leave them, tweak them or redo them. And a second (if we vote to tweak/redo them) with the choices of blanks. 00:54, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well yeah, I think we should vote.. 00:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, shall we post a page for members to post their blanks for the consideration of PCA? We'll devide it into two sections, one for tweaks, one for redos, and we'll have the current blank on top for those that don't want it to change at all. And we can give members a week or two to post their blanks before the vote starts. I'd be willing to host it on a subpage from my userpage. 01:01, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Do you want to? Also we could open it March 10th and leave it up for 2 weeks. 01:09, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

As soon as another senior member agrees, I'll do it. I think closing submissions on March 10th is a bit too much, though. A week should be enough to throw together a rough lineart. 01:13, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good! 01:17, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

I decided to start a forum instead. :3 01:29, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Reserving Tweaks
Just a reminder to everyone that you should wait until the tweak nomination is archived before reserving an image. Even if - and this is directed at leads - you're the third vote, you shouldn't vote and then archive immediately. I think we should have a rule that the lead who was the third vote must wait until another lead comes and archives it before reserving. In addition, do we have some sort of rule on "I nominated it, I get the image"? If so, we definitely should. If someone nominates an image for a tweak, it isn't fair that someone else comes along and reserves it after it's archived. 03:11, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. It's kinda like CBAing and image, you shouldn't CBA your one right away. It's rude when someone reserves the image, when it wasn't approved to be tweaked/redone. Someone may even disagree with the nomination. Again, like CBAing, if your image isn't approved yet, then you can't reserve another image. 03:16, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Right. Also, about the "user who nominates is the user who tweaks" rule, perhaps. With limitation of course, like user x can't nominated 7 tweaks and have claim to all of them. Maybe 1 out of every 3 tweaks a user makes, they have claim to? 03:18, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Now, how would that work with a user who wants to re-do an entire set? Like what I did with Littlecloud. I adore him, and his images have always bugged me. Plus, I really need the practice with tabbies....but...I know we did have for a while there that if you changed the style, you'd have to do the other images as well. 03:22, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Eh heh heh heh whoops Sorry *headdesk* Guess I'm sorta new to this x.x I guess that would be ok. How about when the person puts there redo up, they mention the hex codes, opacity, etc. in case someone wants to redo that characters other images maybe. I think that would go with Scarlet's idea, I don't really know. 05:07, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly think that once it gets three votes we should be allowed to reserve it. Like I nominated Heavystep Friday and it was just now archived today? That's too long. Now, I see that there should be a small window for additional voting, but after 12-24 hours I think it's done being nominated. Breeze whisker  05:12, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree about the whole "You nominated it, you get it" thing, but I think the user should still have a choice. Like, say I nominated Tigerheart's kit image to be redone, but didn't actually want to do it, you could just say you don't wanna do it, and that anyone can take it. Also, they should only be able to claim 2 images, regardless of how many they have nominated at the time, as that's all they can reserve. They should still be able to nominate as many as they want though. Otherwise it will just slow things down. And personally, I don't see why we should have to wait till the nomination is archived. If it gets three votes, I think we should be allowed to post it. Like Breeze said, some nominations sit a while before being archived (even though they shouldn't... *cough*) and it doesn't seem right to make a user wait that long because the SMs are taking a long time to get around to doing that. 17:04, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleclaw, for example (not being mean here just saying) someone took Stoneteller (NP) and I kind of wanted to do him. And I think if you nominated it you should get it (if you want it) because since we are in different timezones some of us aren't on the time they are archived so it is only fair that they nominators get the image they nominated, if they don't want it they can put it in the comments. 22:43, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Paleh too. If you nominated it, it's only fair that you get to do it, unless you don't want to. And we should be able to post it even though it's not archived, if it's got 3 votes, they've obviously decided that it's going to be approved or declined already. I think it should be 12-24 hours until it's archived though, but's that's my opinion. 06:45, 23, 02, 2012

Would this count?
Would Skywatcher get an apprentice pixil? Pricklenose is listed as his mentor and he was taught SkyClan ways. I honestly think that should count for something, as he was taught how to hunt and ect. I will understand if you guys disagree but I thought I'd ask before it getting posted and then potentially declined. 22:53, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I think he should. We've got apprentice chararts for cats that have been said like that before, so I agree. 23:12, 24, 02, 2012

Yes, I believe he would qualify for one. ^^  00:21, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. Take Millie as an example. She's listed as Graystripe's unofficial apprentice. That doesn't stop her from being and apprentice, even if she wasn't quite aware of it. 03:48, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Using this proposed logic: Sharpclaw, Millie, etc. would get an apprentice pixel, basically, any cat who was taught basic "life skills" would qualify, though I think it should represent the Clan rank (unless the queen rank qualifications come into play). 16:58, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. He shouldn't get one because he wasn't part of a Clan. Apprentice, unlike kit or queen, is a rank, and only members of a Clan would get the apprentice charart. 17:25, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. We've pushed it far enough with the kits and the queens. Apprentice, warrior, leader etc are all Clan ranks only. If you went by the logic, Barley and Ravenpaw would get warrior chararts for what happened in the comics when they helped ThunderClan, despite the fact that they were still loners at the time. I say no, definitely no. Skywatcher was not part of any Clan, he was just being taught how to survive by his mother's friend. 20:20, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. Everything's already been stated above.^^ 09:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Then by that logic, he should have no mentor listed :/  20:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

She was still his mentor, in a sense. But, since SkyClan wasn't really around....you could hardly call him an apprentice. 20:17, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Repeat of the Past
Since we're redoing or tweaking the Rogue blanks, I don't think that we should do anymore work with the rogues until the blanks are finalized. Those Rogue chararts that are being worked on and reserved before this moment may stay, but like the apprentice blanks, I feel that the others that need work should just be left until the blanks are ready, otherwise it'd just be a wasted effort. Thoughts? 02:33, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 02:37, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

There's no opposition from me. Wasted effort is useless. xD 05:48, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

SW Nominations
'kay guys, I'm here with another suggestion. As you all know, Twi's currently got a SW nomination up, and it ends March 8th. I'm in no way, shape or form trying to deny future leads of their spots, but, I'd like to propose the SW nominations be closed after Twi's nomination ends. I mean, we have fifteen, possibly sixteen senior warriors, and an excellent leader and deputy that lead us well. Do we really need anymore then we already have? I'm not saying that no one else is worthy of a lead spot, but, that we have more then enough right now to keep the project running and stable.

So, comments? I propose closing the SW nominations until...hmm...maybe April? May, perhaps, depending on what happens with the current leads we have. 05:28, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

April's only like a month away. I'm thinking June maybe because by the summer people might have more time to work. I don't know. 05:39 Tue Feb 28 05:39, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

June would be good too. With most of the members here still in high school (middle school for some of the younger ones), it's a lot harder for them to get on, due to school work and all the fun stuff you can group together with being a teenager. 05:49, February 28, 2012 (UTC)