Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Bumblekit for Approval
I'm finally back! Well I see Bumblekit was taken down like I expected. So here we have Bumblekit up again. No highlights this round (i despise them on kits)just different sets of shading. I looked at some of the other kits for reference.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, Bumblekit! I'd say he looks pretty good, but your shading confuses me. Where is the light source coming from? -- Goldencloud 23:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading style looks fine to me as it's what is used on a lot of approved kits. I just think it needs to be darker and slightly bigger on the forelegs. Sandy Talk! 10:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well here we are. Finally got me some more free time. I made the shading darker and long on the legs.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 01:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Now you need to blend it into the pelt a lot more to get a natural transition and perhaps make it smaller on the neck Sandy Talk! 08:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 23:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, he sort of looks like he's wearing a hood with earholes because the shading's a bit large. :) Maybe decrease the shading a little around his head, and on his right side the shading under his chin looks a bit large. Also shade his ears a little. He looks cute otherwise. -- Bramble My Realm 02:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading on (our) right side seems short. Bring it out so it fill that entire area behind the leg. -- Dawnfeather 09:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Updated-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:01, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The new line of shading is really stong. Soften it out a lot. -- Minnowberry Dawnfeather's Den 06:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a line outside of the line art.Minnowclaw 02:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Updated. Never noticed that line since it got onto the alpha channel. Its fixed now, thank you Minnowclaw. And soften it out....I'm guessing Dawnfeather?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Yup, it was me, Dawnfeather. Sorry about that sig... Anyway, I think that the shading on the head and the same shading I was talking about before on the shoulder could be softened a bit more. -- Dawnfeather talk! 22:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The (Our right) right ear looks odd.Minnowclaw 00:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Runningwind- For Approval
I'm not sure about the stripes, I am so sick of doing the other ones though... -- Darkhallows Lair 09:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about the stripes either. I think that the idea could work though. Try and use this effect to do cats that have marbled tabby markings. It could work. Fiddle around a bit more. Maybe make them curved and wavy randomly, so with and some without forks. Could work... -- Dawnfeather 09:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Triangle tabby shouldn't be accepted like this. Use your regular tabby markings, DH. Plus, If you want color info, Runningwind is a brown tabby, look in Rising Storm when he dies. --

I love these kind of markings, personally. Real cats have the markings, I think, from some cat pics I've looked through. Anyway, maybe darken him because he looks more golden than brown.--Warrior♥ Warrior's Palace 17:42, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

He definitely needs to be more brown and less yellow in my opinion. Also, there is a dark stripe down his back not disimilar to Greystripe's...I don't remember him having this Sandy Talk! 18:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, the smooth y's are the most accurate, like the one's on Leafpool. --Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Depends on the cat, actually. Does he look better now?-- Darkhallows Lair 07:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I reckon he could be a bit browner. I i like the stripes. :D -- Dawnfeather 08:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * He's supposed to be light brown. I don't wanna make him too dark...-- Darkhallows Lair 08:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I like the colour better now but the ear pink needs a bit more blending. Also, the markings on the top of his head look a little strange... Sandy Talk! 09:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I changed it.-- Darkhallows Lair 20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Extend the ear pink a little bit.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 21:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Alright, done.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you add some tabby marks coming out from his chest? That part of his body looks bare. Also add some more around the facial area. -- Bramble My Realm 23:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I don;t think they look right, but I tried.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 06:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Extend the stripe at the top of his foreleg coming from his chest so it reached further towards his back and move the eye marking away from the eye a little. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 21:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Done.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 04:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Prey-Hunter Blanks - For approval
(M) - Alright! I've drawn cats for awhile now, so I thought I'd put it to good use!


 * Double lineart? Cheak.


 * About the right size? Cheak.

All it needs is a transparent bckground. Could somebody do that for me please? I know how to do it, but I've had some troubles and I don't want to risk anything! Thanks! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)



OMG, ur so good! =] This are real good. Lets see what everyone else says- but wait, some pplz made leaders with the warrior blanks... <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 20:06, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've done the transparency for you and had no problems with pixlr... don't know what that was about. As for the images. I like the position you've chosen and overall they are very good. There are a few things though. Firstly their backs are quite bumpy... Secondly, their heads are quite small and could be a bit bigger. I also think the fur on the belly of the longhaired looks strange and needs to be a bit... neater (that sounds so stupid). We also nede to think about how easy they'll be to colour. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 20:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanies! I think the people who made leaders with warrior blanks understood that leader blanks would be made one day. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean that they coloured Bluestar in a warrior blank for example. If so then the reason for that is that we are eventually hoping to get images of all ranks every cat has ever upheld. They will all be added to a character's page together. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 20:20, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'll fix these some more tomorrow... but for now, the fur and backs have been fixed on the male and female longhaired. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

There is gray on the picture? <font color="LightBlue" style="background:Red">Lavastream, <font color="LightPurple" style="background:Pink">SunsetClan's Medicine Cat! 01:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

That's the transparent background Mistfur Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

'''(M) - Note: I will be gone for the next week or so. Please do not delete these images. I am planning to work on them as soon as I am done with camp. Thank you.''' Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I got rid of the grey and decreased the pointyness of the chin, but it's not showing up for me. I'm going to work on these some more tomorrow. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the grey on the images (It wasn't the transparent background that Mistfur was talking about), decreased the pointedness of the chin, and fixed the backs on the other balnks. Is there a trick to increasing the size of the head? Thankies! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking... I don't know how bad you'd think this idea but I really like these and especially as prey-hunter blanks because it looks like they're leaping on prey as the mountain cats leap... dunno. Just a thought. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I love that idea Sandy! Should I put some kind of prey underneath their paws or just leave it? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) I edited the images slightly, but I can't upload do to my computer freezing, so I'll upload them later. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm worried how easy will the prey-hunters color, I think you should use an example like what Bramble did with the queen blanks, so when we are going to approve the prey-hunters we can approve the example.--Yai-Girl 02:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl


 * I got bored and decided to do an example for you. I didn't have any cat in mind when I did it but I guess it could be Brook.



I really like the shorthaired and they're not actually that hard to use at all but the long-haired's fur is still bothering me. It's kind of... spikey... Also, the hind legs on them all need to be a little longer I think and on the longhaired there is a strange indent on the front leg. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Now that I can upload again (I have no clue what that was about) I fixed some pixels and the indent on the paw. I'm going to work on the longhairs and fix the legs.

Also, thank you for coloring that image! It looks nice. :3 Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Fixed the fur on the longhaired. I didn't fix the haunch because it looked really strange when I did.

The main thing that's bothering me is that these blanks seem smaller than the other blanks, yet when I try to increase the sixe it blurs it. Any suggestions? Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I know... I don't know what to say as they blurred for me too.. there must be a way though <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * To me, they look small, so make the head bigger and scale the blank. (You can do that in paint or photoshop, whatever program you choose. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The head is kind of egg shaped, it needs a stop. Also, could you make them a little bigger?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - My computer's being worked on (I'm using my parent's laptop), so I can't work on these for the next 2 to 3 days. Please do not delete these. I'll work on them as soon as the computer's fixed. Thank you! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Wow, the computer was fixed way sooner than I thought... Well, I increased the size of the long female blanks. I really don't know if they're any good, so let me know if this looks okay, and then I'll make the other ones this size. :) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Reedshine- For Approval
I tried, and I'm pretty sure I got her fur color right on. Yay for Reedshine! <3 -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;green; background:black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:lightgreen;"> Sandiwolf

It looks very, well, I can't really say. Oh, It looks like you went nuts with the sharpen tool.Minnowclaw 16:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I love the colour but Minnow is right; more blur tool neeeded all over! Alao, the ear pink needs to be, well, pink (but not too bright and make sure it's blended) Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, she needs a puil and highlight in her eye. Take a look at the way some other approved warriors' eyes have been done for guidance. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I blended the shading more, and added a much needed highlight and shade on the shoulder. I made the ear pink more distinct and added the pupil and highlight to the eye. Anything else?--Sandiwolf 19:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

It actually looked like you painted it! And did you use MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I use MS Paint to make blanks (Which I won't be doing anymore). I use Gimp to color, because it's a lot more efficient for shading. --Sandiwolf 19:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Very vacker (I'm sorry, I have Swedish class and must practice; means beautiful). But that highlight that stretches out into the torso from the chest needs to be blended or taken out. -- Bramble My Realm 23:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and blended ;D --Sandiwolf 13:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The ear looks darker around the edges. Maybe you could make it one color, then blend. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but, it still looks to sharp, and un-lifelike. Needs a lot more blending.Minnowclaw 15:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

It looks like it out-lined in a lighter color, almost highlighted, and the shading is hard to see. The pelt looks like a mix of different colors with the shading and highlighting instead of natural. Try putting the shading on first and then the highlights, instead of the lighter color on the edge. ;]--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I'll be sure to take them in mind and fix the issues. --Sandiwolf 15:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC) Okay, how is it now? --Sandiwolf 15:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Better. You need to put some shading on the curve of the hindleg and the chest. Also there is some smudgy greyness on the muzzle... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

To-be Blanks- For Approval


These were going to be for Deputy, but I saw that Deputy blanks were already made, and New Warrior Blanks were Desired. How about these ones? Male and Female Shorthairs and Longhairs. (Wow, I'm just spitting out artwork lately o3o. I have too much time on my hands) -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;green; background:black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:lightgreen;"> Sandiwolf

They're good, but to small, make them a little bit bigger. Also, I think the nose might be too long, make it the littlest bit shorter.Minnowclaw 16:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Oh afterthought, the lines on the tail of the long hair looks like they've been cut. Also, It was just thought that we needed more girlish cats for the warriors, these are way different and we would have to redo all of the other blanks when we could just do a little fix. Maybe you can work on that? (Don't get me wrong, these are great.)Minnowclaw 17:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I'm glad you like them, and as a note: MS Paint + Bigger = pixelated fail. Dx. But anywho, under Desirable Blanks, it stated specifically this:

DESIRABLE BASES * Warrior o More feminine looking Female Longhair Base o More masculine looking Male Longhair Base So I assumed that a new female and male blank were needed. D= --Sandiwolf 19:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes that is true, but we have many warrior pictures already approved. It would take a very long time to redo them with the new blanks unless they had been a quick fix. Put your work to the test. These bases are really great and can be used in other parts maybe. Also, I'm only a warrior in the project. So if a senior warrior or Bramble thinks we can use these, well, I don't have the power to say anything against it.Minnowclaw 20:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

They look a little to... cute to be warriors. Maybe Tribe To-be's? They look young. But I really love them and they should be used as something.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 21:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Could we use them as apprentice blanks? Please don't ban me for saying this, as I'm not bashing the apprentice blanks but just criticizing them, but I never really liked them that much. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but they look like they needed more work before they were approved. But I really really really like these! I definitely want to use them as something! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 21:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The heads look cartoony, and I think we don't need a completely new base, just modify the old one. Because then, what about the other accepted cats made with the old ones? Plus, they look like wolves. I think tribe-to-be's would be the best use for these. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't show up sooner, i had marching band camp. Welcome to PCA, Sandiwolf. :) These look great, though I agree with Mallinois and Darkhallows they'd be better used as tribe to-be's. About 3/4's of our approved images are warriors, and it would take too long to redo all of them. Now, on the images, the she-cats need whiskers (in kittykat world, the females have whiskers :) And the lineart needs to be thickened to go with our other blanks. Also, the hind legs on all of them is bent at a right angle, make it a bit more natural. That's about it for now. Great job! -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I reckon they could be something from the Tribe. Cave Guard, Prey Hunter, or To-Be. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree in that we shouldn't really change the warrior blanks as we'll have to start the whole project basically from scratch... I like these for to-bes though! Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Again the lineart needs to be thicker in keeping with all the current blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 13:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the legs and thickened the lineart. --Sandiwolf 13:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Are they prey-hunter to-bes or cave guard to-bes? Also, you need to thicken the line art on the short hairs and all around to blank. Minnowclaw 01:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

To me I think they should be prey-hunter to-bes becuse that they look swifter. (The long-haired she-cat still has no wiskers.)--Yai-Girl 21:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm with Yai-girl. These should be To-Be Preyhunters. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Prey Hunter To-bes sound fine to me. When I can, I'll thicken the missed areas of the lineart and add those whiskers!(I keep forgetting!) --Sandiwolf 15:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make sure all the muzzels are the same.Minnowclaw 16:18, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The long-haired she-cat still doesn't have wiskers.--Yai-Girl 03:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but what are those weird dots on the long haired male and females necks? It's more noticeable on the female then on the male. --: LST DragonClan's Camp 04:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks- For Approval
I swear this is the last thing I'll do today, so I don't flood the list. anyways, I saw that Kittypet Blanks were being CONSIDERED. So if they are ever needed, I made these. --Sandiwolf 15:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The bodies are too big for the head, make the head bigger or the body smaller. Also, the bodies look to muscular when kittypets are supposed to be softer. The tails on the long hairs' still look like they are cut. Also, on the long hairs, the collars look like they have been cut, is that fur?Minnowclaw 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The ears are a very strange shape - perhaps make them thinner and slightly more pointed. Also, the longhaired tails look a bit like candyfloss - get rid of some of the small lines. Their backs are very flat and there is some discrepancy between the two longhaired versions - either make the back fluffy or not. Also, the lineart needs to be thicker to fit in with the existing blanks. Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Minnow: I made the bodies a tad smaller. They're also meant to look fat, not muscular. Furthermore, yes, that is in fact fur. Sandy: I'm not used to doing thickly outlined drawings, but I did my best to edit them. I added fur to the longhair male's back, and fixed the longhair tails. The ears? I made them thinner and taller.--Sandiwolf 19:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I just looked on the reservations page and Dawnfeather has already reserved Kittypet blanks... Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Awhhh. T.T

I should really be more observant. When I'm not it results in my Depression. There goes another day of wasted work. I'll find something eventually, but for now, would you like me to take these down?--Sandiwolf 19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Are you using MS paint? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

For these, yes. My good old MS Paint and a mouse. --Sandiwolf 19:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it won't be wasted. You can talk to Dawnfeather and if she still wants to do them, get rid of the collar and they can be loners or rouges.Minnowclaw 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I don't mind. Your's are much better, and I was going to take down that thing tonight unless I could get some good progress from them today. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 08:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Cave-guards. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 22:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Same thing with the hind legs as I said on your other pics. Make the transition more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 23:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine are not as good as these. I have had a lot of trouble with mine as I started them in paint... Anyways. these are more in our style and look good. Kittypets, or CaveGuards, Rogues, Loners. I think they would work whatever. -<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:15, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the back leg, and thank you Dawnfeather.--Sandiwolf 13:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I think that you should fiddle around with the chin a bit to make it a bit rounder and lower, so it will be more in the style of the other blanks. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Can do. I'll try and get to it this afternoon, but I have a birthday party to go to today, so the schedule's tight. --Sandiwolf 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Willowclaw - for approval


Well I hope this can be as good as my Loudbelly. Any improvemental comments? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  05:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The shadin at the back of the neck needs to go all the way up to the ear. It is currently stopping just short. (Improvemental, nice. I like coming up with words.) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The head needs shading, put some front leg shading, and maybe blend it some more because it looks a bit lumpy.--<font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior♥ <font face="Mistral" color="Purple">Warrior's Palace 15:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok here is the new one. If you notice you can see that I tried to do the whole shading on the thigh thing but i don't know if it turned out that well. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  20:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I really like this. My only complaint is that whole ear colour thing again... --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 03:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I still think more shading is needed... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I can barely tell that there's shading. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I tried to do everything you guys told me. But I don't think I like this version of my shading. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  00:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I do. The only thing that I can see that it needs now is a bit of shading on the tail. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 03:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

And a bit on the head. Also, that ear pink again... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok did what you all said. But I don't get what you mean with the ear pink. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

It's really bright and it needs blending. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Changed the ear. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  20:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The pink needs to be slightly bigger and fill the whole ear, and it needs to be blurred some more. -- Bramble My Realm 16:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed ear pink. Sand wich  989  14:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Good job, she's great. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Omg again!(cause i read thistlekit before this one) :D. Sand wich  989  20:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thistlekit- for approval


My first kit! What do you guys think? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:58, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Blend the spots a bit more, and the background is colored...? (Oops, forgot to sign)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 22:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Anywho, add a spot on the chest and one on the head.Minnowclaw 21:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

The backgrounds colored? On mine its white. But anyway just add some spots and fix the background(?) and it would be good? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  22:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Also thoroughly blur his shading and add some more on his front paws and the tail. Blend the ears some more as well. -- Bramble My Realm 22:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Heres my new one. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  23:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading is still very sharp. Blur it a lot more. You can almost never blur too much (unless it appears melty). -- Bramble My Realm 23:16, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Much better, but I second what Bramble said, you need to blend the patches more.Minnowclaw 23:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

I'll make the background transparent if you don't know how. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

that would be much appreciated GB. Summer  is here  !!!!!!!!!!  18:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok here's the new one. I think the shading does look melty though... Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  00:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I like it this way. Everything's very soft and natural looking. Except that patch on his left (our right) side is now grayish. Put it back to more orangish, and I think he'd be good. -- Bramble My Realm 18:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Added orangish coloring. Does the color ginger look like the orangish color? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I really like this but the patch on the head needs blending a little more to make it less of a sharp line between the colours (the other patches are fine) :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Well, GB said he would, but he hasn't been on for awhile, so I made the image transparent for you. If you're using pixlr there is a guide on how to do this on our talk page (Thanks Sandy!) Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Lessened the sharpness on the head ginger patch. Thanks M&S for making the image transparent. OH and M&S I'm using GIMP :) Summer  is here  !!!!!!!!!!  19:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Sorry, I can't help you on GIMP. Oh, and the image became un-transparent again somehow, so I fixed it again. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? Sand wich  989  17:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't spot anything. He looks great. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Omg! :D. Sand wich  989  20:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Brackenfur for approval
Any comments? Criticism is appreciated, as long as it is constructive criticism. Sparrowsong 03:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The line between the shading on the outside is quite harsh. Also, the middle seems to get gradually darker. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The lineart around the ear, back and hindquarters is blurred slightly. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 09:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Make him a little bit lighter since he is a golden brown. Also, add tabby markings. Minnowclaw 12:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Brackenfur's a tabby, so he needs markings, and there's blurred lineart, plus the hightlights and shading needs to be blurred more. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 15:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Raindrop - For Approval
I'm busy during the summer, so don't decline if I don't respond right away, even for a week. Anyway, I know I've gotta get working on the shading. What else? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The marking - people said it needs to look more like a raindrop rather than a rectangle. They also said don't outline it in black make it a black and grey marking. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Redtail - For Approval
I made Redtail as a warrior. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:57, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if I'm accurate, but aren't tortoiseshells like a brown color not gingery all the way and black? Well the color is fine, but I think the ginger tail shouldn't be so dark like the rest of him since it makes him stand out more as having a ginger colored tail. Make it lighter.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:11, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well can you might add just a little bit of white. And it said in Into the wild that he had a "distinctive" ginger tail. What the hecks distinctive mean? Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  00:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't entirely sure what you meant, Shimmer, so I made a second on ewith a lighter tail. Sandwich, distinctive means it stood out, or was special, or something like that. Or it was just definitely ginger. I made him a slightly darker ginger than I would normally use as to make him more 'Red', and masculine. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 02:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

In Into the Wild, they say Redtail's tail is as red as fox fur User:AutumnSky

Foxes aren't bright red. They are reddy brown, the colour I've tried to achieve here. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 03:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The deputy blanks are released so I think you should change him to a deputy.--Yai-Girl 14:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I suggest looking up foxes to see their fur color User:AutumnSky

Here's a picture of a tortoiseshell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Long-haired_tortoiseshell_DSCF0193.JPG]<<Here, AutumnSky. It's not exactly like a foxes, but more darker. The fur color looks fine,I think, but I suggest making the tail a bit brighter so it stands out. Try going over it with the saturate tool one or two times.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest making his body have more brown and/or ginger patches to make the red tail stand out more, as distinctive means special, or unique to that cat. -- Bramble My Realm 03:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused... You're all contradiction each other. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 07:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we are. Just do what Warrior said, saturate the tail a bit more, and add in a few more colors to his basic pelt so the tail could be classified as distinctive. At least that's all I got from the discussion up there... -- Bramble My Realm 16:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I added more things to it, and it looks a bit more tortie. I also saturated the tail, but I had to be careful to not make it too bright. Is this better? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 10:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like this version better. It makes his tail stand out more and make him look more tortoiseshell. -- Bramble My Realm 16:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd still add some white to the other patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Patchfoot - For Approval


I've been having a heck of a time getting his patches smudged and blurred evenly. It's the one on the hind leg that seems to hate me. If it needs any more work, let me know. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 18:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Played out the head, and fidgeted with the hind leg patch more. I give up. If that patch is that horrible, I'll let someone else fix it. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Could you play out the black patch on his head along the muzzle? It looks too circlish at the moment. But I'm glad he's back up, cause he's really good! -- Bramble My Realm 18:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Yay, a Skyclan cat! I agree with Bramble on this one, but other than that I really like this. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:41, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

♥ Bramble Okay, will do. Thanks! ♥ Mosswisker WOOT! SkyClan doesn't get enough love. --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding me, Goldie. I meant to play the black out along the snout, so like there is black on the snout connecting with the larger patch on his head. If that makes sense, I did my best to explain it. -- Bramble My Realm 17:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - What I think Bramble's trying to say is take the black patch and extend it into a black tendril down to the end of the top on the snout. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Mallowpaw for Approval
Yes! I can get on now! O.K. I made Mallowpaw of WindClan this time and I would love some pointers on the shading, eyes and markings. Tortiekitty 23:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Edited it so it's not on a thumbnail. This is pretty good for a first time, Tortiekitty. The tabby stripes need to look more like stripes and be a bit more distinct, because these look like little dark wisps of color. Look at some of the other approved tabbies for reference. He also needs to be slightly lighter, as he looks sort of reddish brown. Shrink the ear pink a little so it's not overlapping the ear, and restore the tail to it's original length (I know why you did it, it said he had a short tail on his article and big blue eyes. I've looked, there's nothing about that in the books. It was an edit from an unregistered user that seems to have nothing better to do than add false details into descriptions. I've found almost 20 more like it.) Anyways, great job on Mallowpaw! -- Bramble My Realm 00:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Great job! Just fix what Bramble said to fix and it would like really nice. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  01:50, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You also nede to blend in the highlights as they're very stand-out-ish <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Blossomkit (TC)- For approval
Worst. Image. Ever. Meh, I did the other one so... Sorry I was gone for a few days.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not the worst image ever. :) Make the ginger patches a bit more spread out, and since she's tortie maybe add in some ginger specks on the black to make it look more broken up, and not like she's just black with white and ginger patches. She's actually really good right now. -- Bramble My Realm 02:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like it! Try making the ginger patches darker though. They look golden. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Played around with the ginger.<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it looked better before... Also, the ginger needs to be redder as it's kinda golden now (as M&S mentioned) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 14:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The ginger's still golden...also, there are jagged lines through the ginger patches. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The patches look more yellow than ginger. Silver tree  ♥  17:39, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Any better now?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Much, although those ginger patches still have those lines through them... Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ginger on torties has stripes ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 07:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I actually really like it now! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, sorry. I've never actually seen a torishell up close, to be honest. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

This is one of the best torties I've ever seen. :) And you said it was the worst image ever, DH. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Whitewing - For Approval


Next on my list lol. My first white cat actually I think... Constuctments please! <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 12:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The shading is rather thick, blend it some more. The ear pink also looks too circlish and too far away from inside the ear. Make it a tad more triangular and inside the ear. She looks beautiful otherwise. -- Bramble My Realm 17:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

She's way better than the one I did in the beginning. Sand wich  9  8  9

Better? (and thanks Sandwich) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah lots better. Sand wich  989  18:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks good to me. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 21:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ashpaw- Approved
Well, it's my first Charart; I hope it turned out okay. Constructive criticism would be well-appreciated. =) Caroline Stimpson 15:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Make the shading a little more visble. Otherwise, great job! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 15:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Agreed with Mallinois. Also, blur your specks some more and add some specks on the tail. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The changes haven't been showing up for me yet, but I blurred the specks, and added some on the tail. The shading didn't come out very well, though. Any helpful suggestions as to what I can do to improve it (the shading)? Caroline Stimpson 21:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

You need to add more of it and make it darker. Then blend it into the pelt for a natural colour transition. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay; reuploaded him. Oh, and thank you, Sandy! Is he still in need of darker shading? Caroline Stimpson 18:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I like him, he's cute. Back when he was nice... Anyways, I think the forelegs need some shading, and also add a few tinier flecks along with the big ones, to just add some more. -- Bramble My Realm 21:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Bramble! Is this better? Caroline Stimpson 20:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he looks awesome! I wonder what he'd do if I tried to cuddle him and call him Ashiepaw.. meh. lol, comments before approval? Great job, Caroline. -- Bramble My Realm 20:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * None. Ashiepaw is approved! --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Fallowkit - For Approval


Don't laugh! I've never done a kit before. At first I shaded it with the light coming from the camera (Exhibit B) But I thought it looked kind of...blah...so I changed the light so it came from the left (Exhibit A). Personally, I like Exhibit A better, but I wasn't sure. Which one do you like more? Also on Exhibit A I'd like to add more highlight, but I wasn't sure where to put them. Help? --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 17:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Even on kits you're amazing! I think exhibit A looks better lighting wise. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 19:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I actually personally think exhibit B looks better, what does everyone else think? Maybe though, you could move the pupil to the middle of the eye, so it doesn't look like they're staring slantedly. -- Bramble My Realm 23:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I also like Exhibit B best (although they're both really nice). It looks more open and bright. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 08:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with you Sandy. Personally, i think that B looks closed and cramped while A looks open and really nice. My only suggestion would to be to make the shading on the shoulder more blended out. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm, looks like we're divided, Goldie. In this case I suppose we go with the one the artist, which is you, feels is better. Then we'll go from there. -- Bramble My Realm 15:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I like A better, just for the record. Very nice image Goldencloud.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno... exhibit B is more in the style of the approved kits we already ahve whilst A looks like he's half in shadow - hiding under a rock or something... If you're determined to use A then I suggest softening the shading line a little so it doesn't look this way. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Poppyfrost - for approval


Here's my first Tortoiseshell. I know it needs major improvements but I want your guys' opinion. Summer is here  !!!!!!!!!!  21:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

That's so cool Sandwich! I think she looks pretty good, I just think that she needs some color on her face, if you know what I mean. I also need some help creating a charcat, everytime I try, it won't do the right color! It ends up black or white or gray. Please tell me what painting sites are used by the charcat project warriors. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

She's pretty nice, and there's certainly plenty of shading that I can see. I would suggest splitting that big black patch that comes down from her ear with orange, because that looks better in my mind. We'll see what it looks like after that. -- Bramble My Realm 23:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that jumps out at me is that tortoiseshells have more black on them than any other color most of the time. Your picture looks like it has more white on it than anything. Try making the head black, and we'll see how that looks. Looks great! --<span style="font-family:Anime Ace; color;#00B8E6; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds:3em; color:#00B8E6;">Goldencloud 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

MAde her more black. Sand wich  989  00:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add chin shading, also there is a gray line under her. Nice job though ^^.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Er...Poppyfrost is a tortoiseshell... You made her a tortoisehsell-and white,becuase the base color is white. Try to put more black...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 16:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought Poppyfrost was tortie and white Warrior... <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 17:19, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the gray line, added chin shading and even a little more black. And in Twilight she was described as a tiny copy of Sorreltail adn Sorreltail is a tortie and white. Sand wich  989  18:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, she is... Strike my post, then. But the ginger looks a bit....bright.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 20:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Anything else?(Sorry I'm really impatient) Sand wich  989  14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

The ginger patch on the head looks a bit bright. Maybe try darkening it a shade. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#65909A">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#B0E0E6">Warrior's Den 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkened it. Sand wich  989  18:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'd get rid of that white/grey strip under the tail. It looks unatural. Other than that, this looks great. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know what you meant by that but I fixed the tail. Sand wich  989  20:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Millie (Queen)- For approval


Do you like her? I colored her on Paint. Point out any mistakes! <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 22:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

This is a pretty good start, Hawkey (except that my queen blanks really weren't approved yet). What I can spot off the top of my head are that the tabby marks overlap the lineart, and that they are very sharp and jagged, and maybe make a few Y-shaped tabby marks as well to use variety. Her eyes are yellow, I think, and they need a more distinct pupil and a highlight to make it look alive. The ear pink also needs to be moved more to the middle of the ear. Last, the image looks slightly blurred and it needs shading. Use pixlr.com (I think) or download GIMP (I believe it's free) to add shading. I would also suggest changing the file format to .png, because .jpg makes its overall image poor. -- Bramble My Realm 23:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, I saw a few tabby markings whent outside the lines, but I don't blame you when I tried to do Littlecloud on Pixlr I when't outside the lines too.--Yai-Girl 03:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Okay, I will work on shading and stripes. The eyes are blue (F.Y.I.) It just didn't turn out blue. Well I am going to make Jayfeather! WOOO! <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 13:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Does she look better? I fixed the stripes and worked on eye color. =) <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 23:06, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

She lookd kind of... scratchy and blotchy (almost pixelated). Also, there is blue smudges around the eye and the stripes need to be darker (as does the background grey). Also, there is no shading that I can see so you need to add shading. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:35, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

man..... nothing I do is right on here. I just want...to make the PCA happy. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 13:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, it's nothing personal. You're new to the project and it takes some time to get used to (you should have seen my first images). It's the job of the warriors and senior warriors to give comments on art and constructive critisism. It's just to improve the art so that it an be approved until it is at the highest possible standard for the wiki. :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 16:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawk, you should have seen my first Spiderleg -shudders-. Don't worry, you'll improve.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Oakfur, For Approval


First attempt. I did him because he's Tawnypelts mentor. Any comments on howw to make it better? Silver tree  ♥  12:43, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Add belly shading. Sand wich  989  18:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Add a few darker stripes, that would make the charcat more interesting. And yes, a little more shading <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 18:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

No, don't add stripes. He's not a tabby, he's just a brown tom. And yes, I'm with Sandwich, add some more belly shading and on the chest area. He looks very good. -- Bramble My Realm 19:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Also the ear iskind of fluro - choose a slightly less bright shade. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 19:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Updated- I made the ear pink darker, and I added belly shading. Anything else? Oh yeah:

'''Cannot be on for the next week since I have to go out of state. I will be no where near a comuter for the entire week, but starting next Thursday, maybe the Wednesday, I'll work on Oakfur again. I'll work on him again tonight if there's any other improvements you think would be good. Please do not take him down. Silver  tree'''  ♥  17:23, 30 June, 2009 (UTC)

Extend the back shading down towards his bum and the chest shading towards his forepaws. Then add a little shading on his head and push the belly shading in a bit so it's following the line of the lineart. Blend it all a little and I think this'll look really good :) <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. <font color="lime" style="background:Purple">Hawkfire <font color="orange" style="background:purple">Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Goldenflower (queen) - for approval


My first try at the new blanks (which I think work really well). What you guys think. Sand wich  989  19:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad people like the queen blanks. :) She's beautiful, and the only thing I can spot at the mo is to add some shading on her forelegs and chest area and also make the ear pink a little brighter and more triangular. -- Bramble My Realm 20:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Added needed shading to needed places. Sand wich  989  03:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

She's beautiful! Perfect shading and perfect color. Nicely done Sandwich! :) Hawkfire My Den 15:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Extend the shading on her foreleg up all the way; you stopped at the angle of her foreleg. Also shade the chest area right between her forelegs. Make the ear pink more like a hot pink color, but not too dark. After you do that, she should be ready. You've done a beautiful job. -- Bramble My Realm 19:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Added shading to needed areas. Sand wich  989  19:58, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Nice work. Comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Brightheart (queen)-for approval
I wanted to do one of my favorites, but since she has a beutiful warrior pixel I did a queen pixel. I hope I did okay on the face. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 20:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - *glomps* I love it! The only thing I can suggest is to add another ginger patch on her chest. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 20:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Lovely, Mal. I think the shading on the white parts needs a little more blurring, cause it looks a little smudgy, and what Mosswhisker said. Other than that I think she's great. -- Bramble My Realm 20:45, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Blurred shading and added another ginger patch on the cholder/neck area. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:Silver; background:#6699FF; border:3px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Silver;">Mallinois Cinder-Wolf 21:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

wow. this is amazing Mal. Probably your best so far and probably better than the warrior version (no offense to whoever made it). I really can't see anything wrong right now. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 20:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I made the warrior version, but I'll agree this is better. Great job Mal. -- Bramble My Realm 20:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol, sorry Bramble =P Comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Willowpelt - For Approval


Willowpelt. My very first image. :) I also redid my first one, because I wasn't happy with some aspects of it. The warrior version's up just to show you, comment on the queen version. -- Bramble My Realm 21:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I see nothing wrong. Great job Bramble! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 18:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval in 24 hours? <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Mintfur - For Approval
I just used my Jayfeather... What do you think of him? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 22:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you may have to do him as another cat. We don't know Splashheart's description, and likely never will. Maybe you could do Mintfur, if you make him a touch lighter. -- Bramble My Realm 02:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I made him lighter and re-named the file. Do you like him? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Yep, he looks great. -- Bramble My Realm 19:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Mistyfoot - For Approval
Mistyfoot as the deputy. I used the same colour and shading that I did with her warrior. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 22:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with it. It looks as good as her warrior version. -- Bramble My Realm 02:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

She's gorgeous Dawn :) Really beautiful <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 19:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Darkstripe- For approval


I am getting better at shading! :) Tell me what you think! Hawkfire My Den 14:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Try using Pixlr or download GIMP or Photoshop. But if you cant download go to pixlr (a website) and blend the shading and tabby markings. Sand wich  989  15:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, I really suggest you start one image and work on it until it's approved. You've now got Millie, Talltail and Darkstripe. Firstly, that's more than any user is allowed at once (see green message above) and secondly, none of them are anywhere near to approval. You need to take on the comments and work on the images to improve them, not just add new ones every five minutes. For this image I suggest you do as Sandwich said. Also, the eye is red?? It needs to be the colour shown on his page (or if none is mentioned then make it generic, ie. amber). Your shading needs blending in and then work on making teh tabby markings less square and more realistic. We have some great tabby marking styles used on some approved tabbies; try imitating one of them. I know that the traditional 'jagged y' markings are good (see Brambleclaw and Dustpelt) or I personally use some markings which are very esay to do (see Tornear and Thornclaw). I look forwrad to seeing one of your images approved in the near future, and even more, I look forward to seeing them improve as you work on them. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 15:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Looking for Opinions...
I was thinking earlier about the blanks we have already and the blanks we still need. I have a few things that I'm not sure about and I think we need to make a decision on it so these blanks can be made:


 * 1) Do we need seperate prey-hunter-to-be blanks and cave-guard-to-be blanks? As far as I can see there are only four or five to-bes actually mentioned by name. About half of these are each. That means that one blank would potentially be used a maximum of three times. It would make more sense to have one blank for all to-bes regardless of what they hope to grow up to be. (Things can change anyway and they may not end up as a prey-hunter even if they're training to be one etc)
 * 2) Would Scourge, Bone and the other BloodClan cats be considered rogues? loners? Clan cats? Personally I think rogues as they don't obey Clan rules. (In the Sasha manga the rogue, Pine tells Sasha that 'rogue' is the Clan cat name for cats that don't obey the Warrior Code...)
 * 3) Are Daisy, Smoky and Floss kittypets or loners? (obviously Daisy becomes a queen, but what are they to start with?) Personally I think kittypets as they take twoleg food, but I was wondering.
 * 4) Should all elders use the same blanks regardless of being Clan, rogue, loner, kittypet, ancient or tribe? I think they should as there aren't that many elders at all and all elderly cats have the same role essentially regardless of where they live. They are respected and cared for. If all kits are kits then all elders are elders... Opinions?
 * 5) Are we going to have Sharpclaw and Sharpclaw-in-training blanks for the ancients? or just use the warrior and apprentice blanks?
 * 6) Are we going to have seperate queen blanks for the ancients or use the same ones?
 * 7) How about kit-mothers? Do they (all three of them lol) need a seperate blank?

I know this is a lot to take in, but I'm trying to get some things straight in my own mind... lol Sorry. Some opinions would be welcomed.<span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 18:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy, here we go. lol If people want me to elaborate on a certain opinion, just ask.


 * 1) I agree that we should have the to-bes just have one blank, regardless of what their rank is going to be when they complete their training.
 * 2) They'd be considered rogues, I believe. They don't live by the warrior code, and they bother other cats.
 * 3) I would think they'd be loners, since they live outside in the barn and sometimes catch mice when they're not taking Twoleg food. Barley and Ravenpaw have food set out for them, too, I think they just don't eat it.
 * 4) The elders should be elders. It'd be a waste of time making Tribe elders, and kittypet elders, because yeah, they're basically all the same thing.
 * 5) I think we should have separate blanks for them, mainly because the lived so long ago and did things differently, and they also had really different names and such.
 * 6) Same. Same role, same name. Again, waste of time to do that.
 * 7) I don't know. We'll have to hear other opinions on that.

Alright, what does everyone else think? -- Bramble My Realm 19:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm new, but I guess I'll voice my opinions. 3. I don't know. 5. I can't really say, I'm not far enough in the series. 7. No. 1,2,4,and 6, I agree with Bramble. Boltstar 20:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Leader Blanks-for approval
Melonlemon's leader blanks. Please, can someone change them to a .gif for me, they show up black for me, and they aren't transparent. --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

...This is so beautiful! Sand wich  989  22:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I know, Melonlemon is great at this. Too bad she's leaving... --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 22:40, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Can I be the one that try's out the image so everyone can see what it looks like? MAybe in a day or 2? Sand wich  989  22:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure! I'd like to try this out too, I think I'll do Tigerstar. The ultimate villian! --<span style="font:13px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:05px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Raggedpelt- For Approval
This is my unfinished Raggedpelt. Could somebody make the background transparent, please. This is not up for approval. Boltstar 23:49, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed it. Unfortunately I had to upload it as a .png format instead of .PNG format (they're not the same thing). Do you want it to be up for approval now? -- Bramble My Realm 00:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I uploaded it as a .png, but in my post, the lowercase just said Raggedpelt.png in red. When I changed it to uppercase, it showed up. Edit: Or at least, that's what it said when I saved it to my computer. Edit: Now it's ready. Boltstar 00:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright. I like his color. It's a very pretty brown. But your tabby stripes need to stretch out more into the main pelt area, and be darker, I can barely see them. Make them slightly thicker as well; if you need help look at some of our approved tabby warriors for reference. Make the ear pink more like a hot pink color, and make sure to add shading on his back, chest, hind leg curve, forelegs, forehead, and tail. This is a great first start, though. Looking forward to seeing some of your other work! :) -- Bramble My Realm 01:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I've been working on it for days. Define hot pink please. Boltstar 02:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear color is fine, but that it needs to be blended. Otherwise I agree with Bramble. --<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 08:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend it.... are you supposed to blend it all at once? And Bramble, where on the tail do I shade?Boltstar 13:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Join
Could I join the project, please? Sparrowsong 04:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I went to add you Sparrowsong but it's already been done. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)