Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Character categories
I really think we should start giving characters the categories based on the books they appear in, not by name. I never understood why we did this, but it seems kinda stupid that we do. For example, Firestar doesn't have categories for Into the Wild to A Dangerous Path because he was Firepaw and Fireheart, but he's the same character that appeared in those five books, just different names and ranks. Doesn't make much sense to me having it the way we do now.

02:38, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this should definitely be a thing. The characters are the same, those categories should belong to them. -- 02:46, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

I also second this, and it's something that's always bothered me, too. A good example would be like we did for the early settlers; such as Dust Muzzle. This also includes kit and warrior categories, too. Overall, it's the same character and we should treat it as such. 03:13, August 10, 2019 (UTC)

Not sure of why we originally decided to have it the way it is, but it doesn't make sense to keep it that way, so sure. Might be hard to make sure we don't leave any behind on accident, so we should probably try and make a checklist system and assign people alphabetical batches.

I disagree with this. It’s too much clutter as it is and to have categories that aren’t for the page itself is misleading. Firestar was not a character in ITW... Firepaw was. ​​​​​

I agree with putting all the books they appear in, not just by their current name. I think people see it as for example... Firestar doesn't have the ITW category so he must not appear at all in the book. Yes, it would be a lot of clutter, but it would make sense.

21:23, August 14, 2019 (UTC)

I know this was mentioned in discord, but I'll put it here, too, but we can always condense the book categories to the arcs for those characters who appear in all of them, or nearly all of them. Like how we do it for the info boxes. 12:52, August 16, 2019 (UTC)

I would be fine with condensing the categories, but I really don't think we need to have, say, Firestar's page...list basically every book category from Into the Wild to The Last Hope (along with his other appearances). That, to me, is just way too much and overdoing it. However, I'd be willing to at least try and see what adding an arc category instead might do. This bears the question though, what if someone only wants to search by book appearance, and not by arc? What if someone wants to see if Firestar appears in Bramblestar's Storm, but only has the "Super edition characters" listing? The way we have it is so we can organize things by book, and I don't see this panning out all too well in some cases. It's not that it's a bad idea, but I do want to see how it would work for individual characters, how things would be searched/listed, ect.

tldr; I'm not too sold on it yet and I think there's still a few more things I'd like before this idea is implemented. ​​​​​

We could always keep the Super Editions, novellas, field guides, etc fully listed instead of condensing them, and only condense the main arcs. Any other comments? 18:01, September 7, 2019 (UTC)

Anything happening?

Yup, I still got another question. Would we only condense the main arcs, ect, if a character is seen in all six books? Because there are "character-of-the-day" type cats who are only in maybe one or two books. Would we still be keeping the individual book categories for that purpose? ​​​​

For characters that appear in all six or most of the six books in an arc, I'd say condense it and give them the whole arc category. However, for cats that only appear in one or two books I'd say give them the individual book categories, since they don't appear for the full arc and are important/appear only in that book.

i still say in all six books of an arc should be the means for condensing. if they appear in 5 out of the 6, i think it should be non-condensed 21:40, 10/11/2019

All of Erin Hunter's books are the best books. My fav character is HollyLeaf.

in relation to livebooks/deadbooks
this is mostly somewhat minor, but with the new formating we have now, i'm thinking that maybe super editions and novellas shouldn't generally be condensed? like listing a cat with "the prophecies begin" easily tells you at a glance that they were alive for the 6 books of that arc, but just listing "super editions" and "novellas" doesn't give you that info, which is what those listings are for.

most only appear in a few of them, so i'm propoing we reseperate those back into their seperate listings, but arc ones and stuff can all stay as is. 23:56, August 31, 2019 (UTC)

I think super editions and novellas can be condensed (I've mostly been following the 3+ ruling), especially since current cast of characters have quite a lot of appearances. But I'm fine for those characters that appear pre-TPB (or mostly appear in the super editions/novellas), such as Rippleclaw, Raggedstar and Pinestar, to have theirs listed per usual since it's not very long. 00:05, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah agreeing with this. I was pretty confused with a few of them. Just didn't make sense.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  08:16, September 1, 2019 (UTC)

I'm with Vec. The 3+ ruling works pretty well for modern era cats (mostly ITW and forward) and anything DotC or prior to ITW would be better off individual.

Idk I think listing every super edition and novella out gives someone a little more depth of what books to look out for their fave charries 16:06, 9/19/2019

Any other comments?

im gonna add onto this, the fact that in some instances where cats are seen in a dream, (i.e. firestar's quest when he's dreaming about all those skyclan cats) they're put as living in that book. When in fact, they're not living at all. They're not dead either, they just exist in that space in time. I think we should just have them listed as without any livebooks if they're seen only in a dream-like state.

Also another thing. How about we add in "Mentioned in"? I think it would be a great addition to the character template. That way we can get rid of the unnecessary categories. Or somewhat so. Thoughts on that? 23:49, 9/30/2019

Any other comments?

Quotes tabber
Looking at characters like Jayfeather, Squirrelflight or Firestar, they have a lot of quotes on their page. Obviously we have the "See more" collapse thing but to me, that's still quite a bit of information. Basically, would characters such as the ones mentioned benefit from a quotes tabber? It'd be essentially the same as the other tabbers on their page, but it'd be for quotes since some are significant and don't do much justice being near the bottom of the page. Thoughts?

17:13, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

I think the separate quote tabber would work well for those characters. However, I think the drop down "see more" works just fine for everyone else, and shouldn't be made presumptuously unless there's a large amount of quotes. Maybe the tabber should be reserved for major characters that's been around for a while since they're the ones with the most quotes. 00:42, September 30, 2019 (UTC)

ding ding

I think making a separate quote tabber for main characters works well, especially for cats with a lot of quotes. Mainly because I feel like at some point there's just too many quotes on one page and having them on a separate page helps organizes things better.

Any other comments? 15:44, October 11, 2019 (UTC)

Been following this for a while so I could see examples and then provide input... I think the tabber would work for characters with an insane amount of quotes, such as Firestar, Squirrelflight, Jayfeather, ect. While it's probably not a good idea to do it for every character, utilizing it for main characters wouldn't be a terrible idea. Do we have an amount of quotes in mind here, or just going off of "main character" status? ​​

Well, main characters like Firestar, Jayfeather, or Squirrelflight (protagonists, essentially) would very much receive them. This could also apply to other characters who aren't main characters but have been around for a very long time like Brackenfur, Brightheart, Dustpelt, or Graystripe who've gained a number of quotes in their time in the series.

22:11, October 11, 2019 (UTC)

Would 15 be a good number? In terms of having a set number. Most of the characters listed above have that number or much greater. 01:37, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

15 works for me, unless anyone else objects/has a different idea?

01:05, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

Blackclaw ~ Gold Nomination
16:34, October 17, 2019 (UTC)


 * The "Your Clan is full of..." quote seems a little insignificant, I'd probably vouch for removing that since he seems to have enough.
 * Since he does only have one major SE appearance, could get away with sliding his CP quote into there

Fixed, though he doesn't have much significant speaking quotes in CP so I pulled a narrator quote that I hope will suffice. 02:32, October 18, 2019 (UTC)

CBV?

Rushtail (RC) - Gold Nomination
-- 22:49, October 23, 2019 (UTC)

Bramblestar's Storm should be listed before Crowfeather's Trial?

That's the format on the other pages, though. -- 12:55, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Blade ~ Silver Nomination
01:05, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

Flickerkit ~ Silver Nomination
01:05, October 24, 2019 (UTC)

Could you maybe add a "Quotes" section and include some narrative, or other cats speaking, quotes? Maybe a phrase from Moonlight explaining that she saw Flickerkit and Larksong during their ceremony, or maybe a few more from Squirrelflight's time in StarClan? 18:08, October 25, 2019 (UTC)

fixed. he doesn't have a lot of quotes by himself since he's mostly with other cats

19:18, October 25, 2019 (UTC)

Furzepelt - Gold Nomination
-- 22:17, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

This one could honestly be in the tabbed format, too. 22:36, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

To which, if you need assistance with, I've created a guide for this exact reason ^^ Or hit one of us up on Discord. 22:43, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

I think I'll be fine, but thanks for the offer. -- 22:44, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Toadstep - Gold Nomination
-- 22:17, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Pretty sure this one needs to be in the tabbed format, and just hasn't been gotten to. It's got more than enough for it to be done in that way