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Queen Blanks ~ For Approval
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

The lineart looks choppy in places, could you smoothen it out a bit? One way to do this is add a few pixils to the edges where it curves and it gives the illusion of smoothness  21:08, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also, now that I have a bit more time to comment, the shoulder of the paw on the ground is much too defined and large right now, and the place where it connects to the head is lined up in a way that it doesn't look connected to the actual leg. Try and follow the curve of where the lines would be if they were visible. The front paw that's on the ground also looks a bit twisted with that extra line on our left side. I'm not sure if that's the dew claw or a line to try and define the paw some more. If it's the dew claw, make it stick out a bit from the leg, so it appears more like an actual toe that has mass to it. The chest needs to follow the curve of the belly more, and as I said before, the chest would be in front of our right front leg at this angle. The place the elbow connects to the body shouldn't be visible. Try and thin out the haunch a bit, as she's starting to look a bit just overall chubby rather than pregnant. Our right back leg seems to both be oddly positioned (too high and too far to our left) and doesn't quite look clearly like a paw. It looks more like the bend in the leg right now, but nothing goes past the bent front foot that would show. Try and make the tail a bit more of a consistent thickness, only getting slightly thinner at the tip, and overall just slim it down a bit. Also, the eyes look a bit odd right now, like they don't quite match the way the other was drawn (trust me, I know what a pain they can be x.x), try and pick either one of them and make the other eye match a bit better. I do believe with cats, the back leg doesn't have a dew claw, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, please remove that. And try and make the shape of the back paw curve with where the toes would be, rather than just a random kind of "guessed" curve with toes added in. That's a bit hard for me to explain, and if it doesn't make sense I can redline that part. And finally, the whiskers still look kind of choppy and just not very smooth at all, try and smooth them out.

The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and straight and is throwing off the nose. The nose doesn't really look like a cat's nose, it looks more like a triangle. The muzzle needs to be smoothed out more, and the eyes' lineart seems to be choppy in places. Also, the front left (our right) leg looks like it bending in a bunch of directions and the lineart is choppy. The face sort of reminds me of one of my grade-school bus-drivers. *shudders*  21:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah gonna be away til Thursday so I'll upload then. <span style="">22:35 Mon Jul 15

I'm not trying to sound mean or anything but it has been 19 days since you reuploaded and 14 days since you said that you would update this, so I have to inquire if you're still working on this? 16:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I am, but I'm having a lot of trouble with them. I don't know if anyone would perhaps be able to offer up a redline, because I'm seriously lost. <span style="">12:00 Wed Jul 31

Redlinin' it up~ Hope this helps <span style="">00:43, 08/1/2013


 * Yeah, don't use ^^that one, I forgot stuff. Use this one. I seriously hope this helps, but since I know almost nothing of the anatomy of a cat, this is the best I could do to help c: <span style="">19:19, 08/1/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">06:05 Sat Aug 3

Where did her eye pupils go? 10:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the thigh less flat. Also, >>>this front leg seems to be very thick, also can you curve it more? The tail seems a bit...lumpy. 13:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

The lifted forepaw looks a bit small compared to the body and define the toes on it 01:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really like the way how sharply < this back leg curves. Perhaps lighten the curve? And also, the tail look a little thick for a short-haired queen, so if you could thin that a little, that'd be great. 12:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the lineart looks rather thick in places. 17:33, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The face looks lumpy. Make the thigh rounder. 01:10, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Front --> leg is a little thick and straight. And as for the thickness, a lineart width of 2 pixels would look best. Wow, good job! <span style="">08:19 Sat Aug 10

Oh yeah, and shorthair tails don't taper or grow thicker. They sort of stay the same from base to tip, except the tip is normally like, rounded at the tip. <span style="">17:24 Sat Aug 10

Yes, still working, but I've not had much of a chance to use a computer the past few days. I'll upload about Monday (for me, about Sunday-ish for you guys.) <span style="">08:34 Sat Aug 10

I suggest curving the tail a bit more at the top, and readjusting the tail lineart to go along side with it, so that it's easier to deal with. Just a suggestion, though. 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded look, I'm sorry guys but I've just been so busy and I just feel like crap. Added to that shitloads of homework and constant teasing and nonstop name-calling and you get a very distracted Berry who is about to break. <span style="">07:13 Mon Aug 19

The back paw looks unnatural. Maybe just smooth out the back paw a little bit. Dewfire (talk) 04:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

In the back on the <--- paw, there's a stub. I'm not sure what it is, but I think you should get rid of it. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 20:47, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, maybe make the tail more curvy at the tip and curve this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:33, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the face face looks choppy in some places and smooth out this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:35, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's okay berry, everyone has times in their life where things suck, take your time. The wrist area (or whatever) on the right front paw looks a bit thin, but slightly in an unnatural way. Can you make it thicker?

The tail is still shaped unnaturally... I'm sorry ;.; Just remember life has its ups and downs, and right on this screen you've got a whole society full of understanding leads and lowerclass users who respect you and admire your talent. Stay strong Berry :3 <span style="">03:57 Tue Aug 27

Oh and, I wanted to use your blanks in a personal image and tweaked the lineart for anatomical purposes. Link is here. Play around with the opacities and colors to help you make the blanks. hope this helps :3 <span style="">04:33 Tue Aug 27

Meadowslip (W) ~ For Approval
Meadowslip is back, and I made sure I was in the table this time! -Fixed the shading majorly- Comments? 9:43, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Where's your light source? I can't see that a consistent one has been kept throughout the shading. Make the earpink more of a pink color, it's tending towards purple now. Also, blur the shading a lot, it's looking blotchy as of now. <span style="">01:00, 07/16/2013

Oh, also, remove the background. <span style="">01:11, 07/16/2013

Also, add more shading, and some on the head, and make it darker. <span style="">02:33 Mon Jul 16

Define the light on her front legs. 16:42, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur shading a ton, add light to front legs, expand earpink, and make the earpink less neon and more pink/paleish grayish. I feel like the color description I just gave you is extremely vague, so around this hex code=>8A7266 nice job so far. :] <span style="">22:58 Mon Jul 16

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Kelpsey. And, sorry this took awhile. I'm not sure if this is what you guys were looking for, but while I was working on it, I did a darker shading and a lighter ear pink. If you guys hate the shading texture, I'll change it. 01:46, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still no light source. You need to find where the light is coming from (ie; top right) and then figure out where the shaded areas would be based on that. There's a shading chart here on the tutorials that you can look at if you need to. And define the earpink and make it a bit more grayish? It can barely be seen and still looks a bit neon-ish, imho. Try around #be9b9b? <span style="">02:16, 07/16/2013

Shimmer is right on the shading..but I think the ear pink is fine[sorry!] 09:50, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shimmer, I respect your opinion greatly on the ear pink, but if I go any grayer, it will be transparent. So I'd prefer to keep it the way it is. And it doesn't look neon, it looks pink. Also, I will redo the shading according to your wish. I was just imagining Meadowslip in the long grass, stalking a mouse when I did her shading. I'll upload around 9-10am my time. 09:53, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with Shimmer on the earpink. It does still look a bit neon, and it needs to be defined, and made more gray-ish. 11:18, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading[I think it looks amazing now]. I added a light source to the shading as well. I made the pink more gray and less neon. Any more problems? 13:30, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shading needs to be blurred and defined a lot.And I don't think the light source makes sense. Take a look at the warrior's shading placement here for a little guide. 14:57, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading to match with the exmp..since that's what it seemed you guys were looking for..anything else? 21:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart on the head, and the ear pink still looks too neon.

Define the shading quite a bit. 23:49, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Although it may be just me, she looks a bit too pale, sorta nearing gray...maybe darken the base color a bit? Only if you want, though o3o 01:50, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, this wasn't declined before because you weren't on the table, it was declined because Icy had it reserved long before you. And she still does. Declining yet again. Please check the archives when you have an image declined to see the reasoning before posting.

Oh goodness, it's been much too long. I'm sorry, I confused the one week limit on original image reservations with the two week limit on tweak calling. So Icy's reservation expired before you reserved, I'm sorry. I'll undecline this. However it is going as Under Evaluation, as you're a kit.

I think the lineart's a bit blurred in places. 13:33, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is not blurred, that is a darker shading. Trust me, I double checked. And, I'm not sure what "Under Evaluation" is supposed to mean. And, if Icy still wants to do Meadowslip, I can let her have it. I'm just a mild beginner at this, and I'm not that good at lighter cats as you can tell. :/ I'll practice lighter cats, though. But if Icy wants it, she can do it and I'll do a darker cat. :) I don't mind at all. ;) 19:18, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Lemme upload again and see if you guys like it.. 19:25, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Under evaluation is explained in the guidelines and Icy's reservation is invalid also explained in the guidelines. The lineart should look exactly the same as it does without a base pelt, shading, earpink, and the works with the exception of maybe the eye when concerning this particular cat. The shading needs to be emphasized and blurred as well, and their ought to be some shading on the tail. 19:44, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:48, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart is blurred and needs to be fixed. Also, define and blure the shading, it looks really flat. The earpink needs to be defined, I sort of have to squint to see it. Are you using layers? And what program do you use? 20:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you're working over the lineart. o.O Try working under it, as that's what's making it look off.

Could you make the gray a bit darker? Right now, it's a bit more like pale grey. 23:04, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Well, after a quick review of Meadowslip's profile, I noticed it only said gray. Not pale gray. So oh yeah, I made her gray. Fixed the line art. The line art on the head looks weird to me, but I didn't know if that's how it's supposed to be. I also fixed the shading, making sure there is a light source. Anything more? 12:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

We're not out of the woods yet. Blur the shading. 14:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried out a new tool for the shading, and it worked wonders... I think it's almost perfect now. And I fixed the line art on the head because it was driving me nuts. Are we almost out of that woods now, Sorrel? xD 17:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not quite. Try Gaussian blurring the shading layer. Gaussian blurring will make the shading look more like shading. Right now the shading looks rather like a blurred paintbrush size 9, and nothing else. 18:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart on the head looks odd. I would like you to fix that. Also, you can raise the opacity and rate of your blur tool to make it blur much more than that. And the ear pink is a little neon, and you can see here to grab a color that would suit gray more. Blur the ear pink some more. Also, the shading looks very flat, and define the highlight on the back paws if you'd like. The lineart is blurred in some places. Do you use layers, by any chance? 20:09, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes I use layers. And I use GIMP, Hawky. Also, blurred the ear pink more. Put some highlight on the back paws. Increased my blur rate[didn't know you could do that xD]. And I have it set as a much darker gray...I don't know why the wikia isn't uploading it right. :/ 20:35, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart still looks odd... it's like it was "painted over"... and the shading needs to be darkened, blurred, and spread out a little more (last part is imho and totally optional).

Re-uploaded. Spread it a little and blurred it, but I didn't do it too much because I feared it would look pixelated. I also fixed the lineart, sorry that I painted over it a little..anything else? 21:19, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It still needs expanding and defining. Use the shading placement link I gave you, and did you try using Gaussian blur? 21:33, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's blurred lineart and the earpink looks a bit neon. 19:12, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed the shading. Fixed the lineart. Fixed the earpink.

It still appears as if the lineart is either blurred or 'painted over'. The shading needs to be darkened some, expanded, and probably blurred a bit. <span style="">12:10, 07/22/2013

Define the earpink/make it more pinker ^^  23:14, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

The lineart is still messed up. If you're using layers, the lineart should be the top layer, or second to top, depending on how you make your eyes and ear pink. o3o

Re-uploaded. There had been darker shading around the lineart, causing it to look painted over. I fixed all of it.

Ehhh, lineart still looks choppy in some places.

As for the lineart, may I suggest to go get another lineart image, open it on a layer above the image, selecting and then ctrl+x away the white, and then making your old lineart layer invisible? It'll fix any lineart issues, if you want to do so. Also, can you please add some more shading to the back of the cat (use a black airbrush airbrush at about 20), and the back of the legs, and darken it. Then blur it some more. This image is making great progress, keep up the good work! 16:22, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Smear the pelt into the earpink. 00:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define (or rather, darken) the shading by the chest area. Want2know (talk) 15:26, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I would actually suggest to get rid of the shading on the chest, as it doesn't match the light source on the paws. Are you still working on this? 17:16, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

._. Someone earlier told me to put shading there, though. And yeah I'm still working, been busy though. My image will be up later on today, as I am redoing the whole thing because I couldn't take the line art thing anymore. Which I don't mind doing it, since I wanted to try out some shading Rave recommended to me. 11:31, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

You need to upload today, or else this image will be declined, Darkfrost. You have one week from the last upload to upload again, or else it's considered lack of work.

Re-uploaded. Got a darker gray to work. And, it looks so unfinished because it is. Due to Cloudy's threat, I had to upload it when it wasn't done. So I will accept your comments. I need them greatly. ._. 12:54, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and where's the earpink? 12:59, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. And like I had said before, Sorrel. It wasn't finished due to Cloudy. And I also blurred the shading for you. 13:32, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Please stop saying it's Skye's fault you didn't get your image finished. .-. It's not her fault. The earpink is still too neon, try the colour hex code #d7aeae. <span style="">13:41 Mon Jul 29

Re-uploaded. How's that? And sorry for slamming Cloudy.. 14:23, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Blur your shading a bit. 16:43, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Darkfrost, one week without uploads is standard procedure for PCA. .-. If I see one more negative comment towards myself or any user, I'll decline your image. we've done that before for users who decide to blame others and be rude, and I won't hesitate to do it again if you're being rude. I didn't threaten you, as it's part of the guidelines. That being said, thicken your shading too.

Now senior warriors could also be a bit less rude in when we're saying images are going to be declined in the first place, now can't we? Either way, move that highlight on the head up to the top of the face, if that makes sense, and add some shading to the back of the shoulder. <span style="">18:30 Mon Jul 29 2013

Re-uploaded. How's that, Raelic? 00:40, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. ^Changed my shading light source because I didn't like the one I had before. 00:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Add some shading to the ear furthest from us, and blur the shading a bit. 02:41, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 03:57, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and where's the ear pink? It appears to have vanished or blurred away. I can't see it at all.

Re-uploaded. Blurred the shading a lot. And I put more ear pink in there. 00:55, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred. I'd suggest maybe going to your shading layer, and using Filters>Blur>Gaussian blur, and using it at a rate between 13-23? Also, the shading covers up the forehead of the cat, where it wouldn't be due to the light source, maybe thin/erase that a bit? And last, the cat appears to be more brown instead of grey right now, if you could fix that real quick. Looking good~ 02:16, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Is this what you were looking for? -I'll change name back if it is- I'll also fix the head shading if it is. But first, I need to know if it looks right to you on the blurring. 02:38, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart's all blurred now. Also, you need to upload over the old file. Not make a new one. And am I missing something...? Why's she brown? Her description is gray.

Paleh, I swear it is your computer, because it reveals dark gray to everyone else. And to me, personally. So sadly, there is nothing I can do about that. Also, the file will be uploaded over the old one. I was testing the gaussian blur, which there has been a reason I have not used it before. Knight, it is not brown either. It is not. So, yeah. I'll put up the real image and you guys can start commenting on it again. 11:12, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Used a lighter shading. How's that? 11:44, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Can we not get snippy, please? Each monitor has a different color level, and theirs might be different from yours, which is why it could be showing up brown for them. So, anyways, define the shading, especially on the paws, legs, neck, and tail.

I don't know whether it's a monitor issue, but she looks more brown to me, than grey, as well. Could you also define the earpink a tad? 14:03, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Try filling the base color of the cat with hex code color #939393? 16:45, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Not sure how to explain this, but, curve the shading with the body to make it look like it fits snugly. Lol I probably sound like a freak but look at these photos. Notice how they curve convexly where the shoulders and back... shoulders? are. try to have your image do the same :) If this doesn't make sense, then forget about it because I'm probably just being a picky idiot XP <span style="">05:16 Thu Aug 1

Re-uploaded. I took your suggestion, Kelpsey, because I knew exactly what you were talking about, and that your not a picky idiot. xD And Knight, I used your hex code, how does it look now? I defined the shading more, and tried out the gaussian blurring again. How's it look? -I made sure there was no smudged, painted over, or faded lineart about 7 times before uploading- xD 12:51, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading; it's looking kinda blotchy. <span style="">13:14 Thu Aug 1 2013

There appears to be some missing lineart from the front leg...

Add a little more shading where the front leg meets the belly; the chest highlight looks too bit to match the light source 02:00, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add some more depth to the shading. 02:16, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Added depth. Added the missing lineart. Added more shading where the leg meets the belly. Blurred the shading so it's no longer blotchy. 12:46, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Add/define light on the tail and define light on the hindpaw. 12:52, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 13:21, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Decided to blur the shading a lot more, so it looks better. More comments? I'm bored. 13:50, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Expand the highlight on the haunch, and lighten up the base pelt. Right now, it looks like a dark gray-brown. Blur the shading a lot more. What I would recommend for blurring is to change the rate of your blur tool to 100, and you'll find that at the bottom of the brush opacity and tools. Blur it until it doesn't looks as solid anymore. Also, expand the highlight on the face, and define the earpink please. 14:03, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:05, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Now the erapink seems neon, and blur the shading some more, along with darkening it a tad more, not too much. 17:08, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading slightly, and made the earpink less neon. 20:54, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Some earpink has leaked into the lineart layer. Also, it looks more of a solid color and two lighter patches where the 'highlights' are. Add some depth to the shading to depict it from the actual pelt color, and soften the 'highlights'. Looking good! <span style="">21:50 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Splook! Fixed the earpink that had leaked into the lineart. Fixed the solid color areas with some highlights. Added more depth to the shading. 23:59, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading just a tad more. In this state, I recommend blurring the shading at rate 15-20 with gaussian blur. Also, the earpink seems to have disappeared. 00:11, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I had re-uploaded the new version right after you commented on my talk page, but I didn't know you'd comment on this so I said nothing. But I used the gaussian blur. ;) 00:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some shading/color receding from the closest foreleg and the head. 02:00, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear pink, since I can't see it at all..and the back two feet (back of the image, not back of the cat, so it'd be the two we can't fully see) appear to not have shading.

Re-uploaded. 12:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart appears to be thicker in some places than it should be. I compared it to Flamepelt's warrior, and it doesn't quite seem to be the same. The image also appears to be overblurred, and it causes the color to fade, making it look like this. o.o

Maybe make the ears a little more pink, and also maybe make her pelt a little lighter. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:42, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Why does her pelt need to be lightened? I think the color is fine. I think the color is fine, as it is a gray cat. But it does need to be defined a bit. Also, can you blur the shading on the paws? They look black. 01:07, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Flamepelt's warrior was only just approved or is still in the process-haven't checked-. Also, he is too light of a cat to compare lineart's with. I compared Meadowslip's to Dustpelt's, and they matched exactly. I think it's the shading that makes it look like that. Also, Frosty was also telling me as she read through these that she will not change the earpink. It is staying like that. She said only if someone agrees with Creamtail, since Frosty believes someone will tell her "It's too neon" or "make it grayer." But I still hate disagreeing with Cloudy .-. Keep it up, Frosty~ c: 12:59, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Fixed almosteverythingthat was brought up. And Raven, if you scare me with a message as big as that again, we're gonna have a talk xD 13:28, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was talking about Flamepelt's lineart, not the actual image, which which all lineart for shorthaired warriors should match unless it's a required lineart tweak. Which, according to PS, when I zoom in, there's missing and blurred lineart throughout certain parts of the image.

Yes, I know you were talking about the lineart. But she has darker shading near the lineart, since it's a darker cat. And I don't see any more blurred and missing lineart. She might have repaired it all. But I'll double check.. 22:29, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Re-did the whole image, and it turned out better than I expected. I have no lineart missing or faded now, my shading moves along with Meadowslip's body. I tried a slightly lighter color of pelt, if everyone prefers the darker one[I don't care, I like both, maybe the darker better] I'll change it back. Any comments? 01:05, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Woahh she looks sooo much better!:3 great job! Add/define earpink-it seems forgotten. wow, amazing! <span style="">17:25 Sat Aug 10

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much! :3 I'm even surprised by how good my image looks. xD 13:04, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken the shading a smidge? This looks wonderful! 17:25, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source on the tail - I can't see any. 17:26, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Knight! :D 21:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

There's some miscolored/blurred lineart on the ear, tail, and haunch. <span style="">21:20 Sat Aug 10

Define the overall shading. Keep in mind that define does not equal darken, however.

Re-uploaded. 01:01, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light source and shading on the tail some. 03:45, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading a tad and try defining the earpink (maybe saturate it a bit more). Pretty. :3

Can you define the shading near the top of tbe head a little bit? This is over 50% complete, so I'll change the title, and move you to an apprentice. 03:58, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thank you so much, Knight! c: and thank you, Stone! I fixed that pesky tail shading, smoothed out the rest, and defined the head shading. 12:24, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * ^ and I blurred the earpink a little. 12:25, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur, define, and darken the shading please. 02:38, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Not sure if this was what you were looking for, Duck... 12:56, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot more. 17:26, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Okay, so, to tell you all the truth, I hated the shading on the last one, so I redid it, also because I wanted to try out a new shading technique. Hope you guys like this one better...Comments? c: 00:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

This shading looks better. I think you should get rid of the highlight at the head, though. Wanty (talk) 01:56, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 11:17, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe blur some of the top shading where the head highlight used to be? If not, thats okay..it's not really a problem. 12:04, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Dull the highlights (as it looks kinda confusing seeing one everywhere but the head?), darken and define the shading, and perhaps unblur the ear pink a bit? It seems like it's becoming a tad bit of a blob, although that could be my eyes from lack of sleep.

Hmm, << paw lineart is blurred. <span style="">00:11 Thu Aug 15

Re-uploaded. Fixed all the above. And now I know that if I don't get this CBAed in the next few hours, it'll get declined tomorrow somewhere around the late hours. But hey, I screwed the image up half way through the month, and I've learned from my mistakes. If you guys would gladly give me another month to get this approved, I would be overjoyed. c: Also, sorry if the head highlight is a little brighter, I can dumb it down a bit if someone asks. 23:52, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you give more depth to the shading? And blur the highlights so they blend more. ^^  00:13, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Urr the head highlight is a little bright. Also, where's your light source? Define paw shading(It's such a butt to shade, but use a smaller brush and itll be good). And btw, next time you make small letters or any other text abnormality always use the end tag or whatever needs to go there. <span style="">00:22 Fri Aug 16

Guys, I've got a very important question to ask you all. I felt so bad for Raven, and how she was so close to getting her image approved, that I was wondering..Is it possible for me to pass this over to her? So she can get it approved? Like, I withdraw it, then she picks it up? Reserves it and stuff? I guess she'll get her one month, on top of that. c: 02:04, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oh my gosh..Would you really do that for me?? :O 02:08, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Of course c: You're my best friend <3 !! So may I? Leads? 02:11, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

In all technicality, I don't see why not, although I'm not a lead. It probably would have been easier for you, Darkfrost, to just take over Bristlekit, wait a few days, and then give her back to Ravenfrost had Bloo not already asked, though I suppose it doesn't matter who's asked or who hasn't unless it's been reserved. 02:18, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

That is a good idea..We should have done that! Would Bloo mind? But its probably late now, isn't it? Thanks, I'll withdraw now and give it over to Raven. she loved Bristlekit, and she hoped he would be her first charart approved, but I guess it wasn't meant to be. 02:47, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I tried..not sure if I like the darker defined shaded areas, if you guys don't either, I'll change that. I tried to make sure I took everyone's advice before Frosty withdrew..But this is my first warrior, so go easy on me, and point out every flaw..'cause I'm not perfect. cx  03:20, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Couldn't stand staring at them..soo, comments? 03:29, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading at the neck, it's a bit blotchy there. Also, try to define the light source and shading. As, currently, it seems as if the light is only hitting on the lower back/rump, and a bit on the shoulders. If you use highlights, then I would suggest enlarging them on the shoulder area, and adding one for the head and one for the tail. Or, if you don't use highlights then darken/add more shading at the head and tail. And try darkening the shading overall. sorry for my rambling.

Re-uploaded. You weren't rambling, Stoner. :3 And actually, the image is supposed to be much darker then how its appearing. Wikia failure, I guess? Eh, I tried to fix everything you suggested. How's it look now? 12:19, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks a bit blotchy, and define the light on the legs, feet, and face, please. 03:35, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

The ear pink doesn't even look pink at all...it's more gray than anything. Try giving it some color?

I'll fix all of that, but can I open a new section for Meadowslip? It's kinda getting full with comments..I think I'll do that when I'm done tweaking my image ouo 11:43, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. It's supposed to look darker than this, but hey, it won't upload like that. Fixed the shading and highlights, earpink is pinker, no lineart probs, I was up close and scanning every pixel. :3 12:37, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the leg/feet shading.

Re-uploaded. 01:49, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a tiny bit and possibly darken the shading near the base of her tail? 18:38, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:15, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight at the base of the tail is a bit misplaced, as that area would be shaded over by the shadow of the cat; could you move that up on the cat's tail? Also, could you extend the haunch highlight a bit further? 21:54, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is slightly flat (excluding the highlights), can you try to add more depth to it? Other than that, this is really good~

Re-uploaded. Hope this was what you guys were looking for..Thanks Stoner! It means alot:) And sorry if its a bit sloppy. I just wanted to notify you all that I leave today for tent camping in Michigan, and I will have no internet. This will be my last upload until friday. Sayonara! :D 12:04, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on her face. 12:08, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

The light is on her muzzle. I personally think it looks fine, but if someone else agrees, I'll change it Friday. 12:21, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

I think the light on her face could be expanded up to touch her forehead as well, as that would have light hitting it. Also, can you blur the haunch and chest highlights more so they are smoother and blend well? Artistic speak. X3  21:28, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ Withdrawn
So after careful analysis, here's my first Charart! Hawktalon (talk) 00:04, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading, and doesn't he need texture? 00:05, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the fur strands you see in the rogue picture? Hawktalon (talk) 00:09, July 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's what Beebs means. It's gotta be there, considering it's on the rogue. They've gotta match. Also, based off the rogue, there should be a lighter underbelly, muzzle, and paws. And there's some waste by the head on the <-- side. <span style="">00:13, 07/16/2013

You might also want to define the shading too. <span style="">02:09 Tue Jul 16

Shading looks a tad flat. 13:31, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Since this is your first image, I believe this needs to be 'Under Evaluation' so I changed the heading ^^  03:53, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the right ear. Thistleflight (talk) 21:24, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the foreleg furthest from us. 14:54, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Also noticed some waste beside > this ear too. Very faint, but indeed waste. 11:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on it. I just need to find the texture used and then I'll reupload. Want2know (talk) 13:39, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes, I know there's no texture, but I still need to find the texture used. I've removed the waste and defined the shading. Hawktalon (talk) 15:54, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by "find the texture used"? You create the texture on your own, with layers and layers of work. If you don't know, you can ask Raven, the OA of the rogue image, to find out how she made it. ^^;;


 * I asked Raven, and am awaiting an answer. And as for the texture, I'd prefer to have it as close to the original texture as possible (.)^D Hawktalon (talk) 16:06, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading more. 00:57, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. With the help of Raven, I've added the texture, as well as darknened the shading. Want2know (talk) 18:36, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

The texture needs to be all over his body. His muzzle and underside need to be pale to match the rogue, too. 18:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I've put the texture all over the body, as well as paled the underside and muzzle. Want2know (talk) 19:33, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading; and make sure they layer opacities all match the rogue. Looking Good! c: <span style="">19:53 Thu Jul 25

Re-uploaded. I did what was asked. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste beside both forepaws and tail. --Ambershine223 (talk) 21:41, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Took out the waste. Want2know (talk) 23:29, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the darker parts of your shading? Also, his chest should be a lighter grey color, like on his paws. 17:19, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I've defined the shading by darkening it, and lightened the chest. Want2know (talk) 17:46, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Define the texture heaps. <span style="">01:37 Sun Jul 28

Re-uploaded. Added more texture so it's more visible and defined. Want2know (talk) 02:05, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Define shading and light source; also the texture looks as though it could still be defined. <span style="">04:19 Sun Jul 28

Shading needs to be defined and your texture patches need to be blurred. 11:35, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

^ Lol! I realized when I read over my comment that I wasn't making much sense. What I mean by "blurring the texture patches" was that you should blur the highlight as it comes in contact with the fur. It looks kinda blotchy now. 11:38, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Tweaked the shading to define light source, as well as defined shading and blurred the highlight as well. Want2know (talk) 22:48, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Can you try to make the shading blend in more with the pelt? Also, can you define the lighter part on his muzzle? Right now it looks like a highlight. ^^  03:36, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blended shading with the pelt and defined the light part of muzzle. Want2know (talk) 21:09, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

The texture does not match the rogue, so make it match more. Also, I don't see the light source. 03:11, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the texture go along with the how the fur would flow on a real cat, if that makes sense. <span style="">02:55, 08/4/2013

I see some earpink leaking out of the sides of the ears. Remove it? 02:17, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 02:24, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I completely redid the texture and shading, and now that I think about it, it looks better. Wanty (talk) 19:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on his side/belly area, and define (or darken) it on the tail, paws, and chest. 23:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Darkened and made the shading more visile. Wanty (talk) 00:07, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the ear pink and deffine the shading more. 21:37, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps soften and define the texture, and add depth into it. <span style="">21:46 Tue Aug 6

Re-uploaded. Shaded ear pink, and added to the texture. Also added highlights *sighs* Wanty (talk) 18:42, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the lighter gray parts. 19:02, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Also, the texture seems to disappear when it reaches the shading. 19:03, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

I see some very faint silver/gray tabby markings on his chest and front legs. I think you should fix that. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:45, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights Wanty (talk) 17:31, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Creamtail, they do look like strips. If you want, I believe there is a tutorial for highlights on the apprentice tutorial (here) page. 01:02, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

They're supposed to be texture by the looks of it. Because they don't really look like tabby markings. But Wanty says they were highlights. So yeah. ._. Fix what they said.. 13:48, August 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Those are highlights; on the original file I made the highlights part of the fur texture. <font color="#100c08" face="Century Gothic">Rav <font color="#483c32" face="Century Gothic>en <font color="#b2beb5" face="Goudy Old Style">Exodia! <font color="#808080" face="Goudy Old Style">It's <font color="#100c08" face="Goudy Old Style">not <font color="#0f0f0f" face="Goudy Old Style">possible! 21:23, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

^ Like my twin said :3, please get rid of the tabby marks. Make them look more like highlights, like whats on the back of the cat. 22:32, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I changed the highlights to look more natural and like highlights. Also defined the texture in the shading. Wanty (talk) 15:31, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you perhaps define the shading on his head a bit? Nice! 19:39, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined shading on face. Thanks Knight!Wanty (talk) 22:06, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the fur into the earpink some. 03:47, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Smudged the fur at the ear. I hope the picture's making progress... Wanty (talk) 19:28, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

It is! He is looking wonderful so far. c: Maybe blur the shading on this <--- front paw? If not, that's okay. 16:35, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the tail too, and define it on his (our) right paw. 22:03, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Raven! I blurred the shading (I can't blur it much though) and defined it on the (his) left paw. Wanty (talk) 18:07, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome c: Also, make the texture more visible on the tail. I have to lean in to see it. Not the highlights, the texture. xD 00:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur the shading on our left front foot, and also on the tail? The shading on the head also appears flat, could you define it some more and perhaps add more depth to it? 00:44, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So I made the shading more visible on the head, but I can't blur too much or else the other shades become virtually invisible. Is there a way I can fix this? Wanty (talk) 01:37, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

If you use GIMP, you lower your blur rate. If you use pixlr, I'm pretty sure it can do the same..[Sorry have not used it in a long time]. So, blur (our)left paw some more by lowering your rate. Hope that helped~The blur rate starts a 50, so just lower it from there. And you may even need to darken your shading.. 11:24, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks for the help Frosty. I redid the shading and darkened it to make it more even. Wanty (talk) 13:59, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the edges of the shading on the tail and the front paw that's closest to us, so it blends more. Also, define it on the other paw and chest. And it seems to be residing a bit on the haunch/side part, so can you add more shading to it to fill it up? (sorry if you don't get what I'm saying oi >.<)  00:22, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Did what was asked. Wanty (talk) 01:50, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is really, really thick and paintbrushy. Not trying to sound mean, but... <span style="">01:05 Fri Aug 16

Re-uploaded. I was just trying to see if a darker shading would work, Kelpsey. Anyways, just lightened the shading. Wanty (talk) 01:48, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Now that I look at this again, the shading's receded a ton. Paint that back in please? :3 this texture looks great! <span style="">06:55 Fri Aug 16

Sorry, don't understand. xD. Should I make it black again? Or should I just darken it a little? Wanty (talk) 12:57, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

it's leaking away from the lineart, is what she means, Want. It's a simple thing that can be fixed by adding another layer of thin shading around the areas that look...receeded. Doubt that's a real word but who cares? XD

Re-uploaded. Heard that it might get declined in a few hours... it's alright. Anyways, I added more shading nearer to the lineart and added highlights for a more defined texture. Wanty (talk) 19:34, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the edges of the tail and left (our) paw shading? 03:59, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred the edges of the left paw and tail shading. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 15:44, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the tail, paws, and head is rather flat. Could you perhaps define the unshaded part, such as the middle of the paw or any other of those places that stand out and have light hitting them, some more? Keep up the good work on this! 01:19, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Not sure if this is what you meant, Knight, but I tried ^^ <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 01:39, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's some lineart missing on his back. Cute! 08:17, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Amber! I added the lineart on his back. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 13:19, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Comments anyone? <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 20:31, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading.

Re-uploaded. Darkened the shading.

Sorry but it's been more than a month, and I can still see things that need fixed. This will need to be declined. <span style="">22:31 Thu Aug 22 2013

I'll take over. 22:43, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I can't get the image to look right, so withdrawing. 17:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Whiteberry (W) ~ Declined
I grabbed this cat as soon as the former one was declined, and I'm quite proud of it. My first white cat, but not my first charart. But my best. Ambershine223 (talk) 11:22, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Not bad! There's a bit of waste where his muzzle meets his forehead, and theres some filling the gap between his hindquarter and forelegs. Define the light on his face. 11:30, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I can't believe I missed that! What does define the light on his face mean? Ambershine223 (talk) 11:44, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Make it more noticeable. And make the background transparent. 12:42, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

How? Sorry for being a pain but I don't know how to do either--Ambershine223 (talk) 14:31, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by the tail and back. 14:34, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Remove some of the shading from the face, or put a dodge tool on it until it matches the other highlights. 14:44, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I'll do it tomorrow as I'm banned from the computer ( I'm writing this on my iPod). Thanks. --Ambershine223 (talk) 16:01, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's some waste by his tail, and the white is starting to look gray. Could you perhaps the lighten the shading just a tad? 23:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes aren't showing, I believe. Ambershine223 (talk) 10:53, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

I have done it, but it isn't showing here. :-( Ambershine223 (talk) 10:53, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded-- 20:44, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Make earpink less neon? 02:27, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a bit, and also, the ear farthest from us isn't completly shaded, it's kinda cut off at the tip. Stoem star 02:30, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Could you sharpen up her shading a bit, and also add/define the shading on the legs? Nice work on this! 17:29, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' Changes not showing. 09:34, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

There is some gray/white pixels on the lineart (I think because of the shading) on his ears+head, chest, lower back, & tail. 15:08, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Yes, it was from the shading. Went ahead and added some more shading to the tail as well. 16:27, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Between the lineart and the shading, there is a white gap. Please fill that in with shading. Other than that, you're almost as good as Minty. :D  12:06, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think I did it, and thanks, that means a lot. 17:00, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I just realised from my last edit I left some waste. I'll get rid of it tomorrow. 21:11, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, Amber. Also, blur the shading a little on the ear farthest from us. 04:03, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Blurred the pesky ear shading, and removed the waste. Changes not showing yet. 16:05, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

There is a slash of white right through the shading bottom right side, please replace that with shading. Also, blur the tail shading a little. Looking good! :D  05:49, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

He has a white background, can you make it transparent? 03:04, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

I knew someone would come up with that soon. Well, I kind of don't know how. 06:03, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

What program do you use, Amber? I can probably tell you how to remove it. <span style="">16:35, 08/3/2013

Pixlr, but I have Gimp and Paint.net too, although this was literally about an hour ago so I don't know how to use them. -- 17:38, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Gray and sourceless shading. And as for the white background, you can actually remove it using Microsoft Word but GIMP is the easiest method :) Leave me a message or PM me if you need help :) <span style="">02:22 Sun Aug 4

Here, simplest way to do it on Pixlr: Select the wand tool, make sure both boxes are checked, select outside the lineart and press delete. That should do it. If you're using layers go through them with what's selected and hit delete on each. If that doesn't work you can use gimp, ezimba, or MS paint. Figured I'd tell you how to do it on Pixlr, since that's what you used for the charart, I assume. That'd be simplest since you used Pixlr, but next simplest is probably going to be gimp. ^^; <span style="">02:47, 08/4/2013

I did what you said, Shimmer, but Pixlr was playing up so I looked at the apprentice tutorials and tried to do it on paint.net but as soon as I got to the add transparency to each layer, I got confused, as I followed it correctly but then the wand tool kept selecting the whole layer. 11:45, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

Is it just me or is...the image smaller than it should be? <span style="">12:12 Sun Aug 4

It doesn't look any smaller to me. 00:44, August 5, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

I see some waste around the image, some near the rear and tail, some near the head. Remove it? 02:20, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Amber, I'll leave a message on your wall, and I'll give you a whole tutorial on how I prefer to use GIMP's tools. :) 15:02, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. 15:14, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink seems neon. 20:22, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I just want to say, I know I haven't uploaded it for about 5 days but I'm still working. 21:31, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, Amber:) But I must warn you, if you don't upload by the 7th day, this will be declined, even if you say you're still working. [Almost happened to Frosty's image, AKA: Darkfrost14] 01:16, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I did everything above (Yes, even the transparency).I know the eyes look a bit weird, I'm still working on them but I figured if I leave it too late (which I probably will) this would get declined. 09:00, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart looks blurred, please fix that. And there is some waste inbetween the legs. 11:28, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Also, it looks like the image is bending now. Flat, and bending. Your light source doesn't make that much sense, since you have the right idea on the bottom right leg, and in the center, but when you look at the head, the light source is too far up for it to match. You'll either have to remove some shading to make that part match with the rest, or change your whole light source. And, the image is very blurry. As I said before, it's possibly gaussian blur, and you didn't use the fuzzy select tool so it wouldn't blur the lineart. And I sorta agree with Berry, the image does look smaller to me, when comparing it to Flamepelt.warrior for example, who is also being approved. But don't freak out over this long message, Amber:) Follow one step at a time, and it'll look good-as-new. 13:17, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think it got blurry because it appears to be stretched <--this--> way, if that makes sense. Like the image got stretched wider a bit. 23:05, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I think it looks better. I'm not sure. 11:48, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Just cleared some more waste I found. 11:55, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

It looks a whole lot better. Define the eye depth, since it all appears to be one color[put in different shades of amber. Check some of the other images for help]. And define the shading on the neck and inbetween the legs. 11:58, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's very good, but I think Whiteberry looks a little gray on his back and a teeny bit on his tail. Maybe fix that? <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 13:29, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind cropping the image so there isn't so much extra space?

Reuploaded. 14:50, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste all around the image. 15:32, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

His paws seem a little dark, and so does the back and tail still. <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 16:01, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

I have an easy tip to help you get rid of all of the waste. In almost any art program you should be able to do this. Go on the layer that has the lineart, then use your select tool to select outside of the lineart, then go on your shading layer(s) and go to Edit--->Clear and it should remove the waste for you. If you have any other layers of shading, then go on that layer and do the same thing until all of the waste is gone. I hope that helps and if not I could do a join.me to help you, just let me know. 19:18, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts? 00:54, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I tried a new type of shading. 10:43, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

It's a good shading, but, since you spreaded it across the body, it makes Whiteberry look gray, and the white looks like a highlight. So a little less shading would help. But also, define the shading on the muzzle and neck once you've done all that. 13:34, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think Whiteberry looks really good! :D. Good job! <span style="color: #E85C82;font-family: Monotype Corsiva; background: #C18CED; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: #E85C82;">♥♦Ɔяɛαмтαιℓ41♦♥ <font color= "#E85C82">♦Ƨнιиɛ βяιɢнт ˩ικɛ α Ɖιαмσи∂♦ 14:22, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks! 15:17, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see a light source...? Define your shading and highlights, it looks flat 20:06, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

^ Like Scarly said. And, the image looks gray still, with the way you have your shading. It doesn't look white at all. The white looks like a light source highlight. Please fix that. 14:01, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

It does look white; it just seems like the shading's gone away, kinda like you filled it in(not to be mean, but..). <span style="">16:42 Sat Aug 10

I'll be away till Wednesday with only my iPod for company. I'll reupload when I come back. 17:00, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Kelpsey, the shading is stretched too far across the body, making it look gray. It doesn't look like it's filled in, because it would be blotchy then. The only white I see is on his back, and that's about it. And the shading is there, it just looks like it's the new pelt color, and the white is its highlight. -Hope you're not overwhelmed, Amber. It won't be hard to fix. 21:47, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth. 03:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

The best way I've found how to shade a white cat (thanks to Paleh), is to basically only put shading on the darkest parts, and if the base pelt is a few small gradients above white and you use pure white to highlight, it won't get spread across the pelt and it will help. It should be on the apprentice tutorial and might explain it better than I can  21:20, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

^ And also, when you have done Ivy's suggestion, add some depth to the shading. Like, where the legs bend and meet, where there would be no light. Like, where creases are. c: 16:53, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Did everything above. Changes may not be showing. 17:28, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading? <span style="">5:59 Wed Aug 14 2013

Um, I'd rather not, as if I darken it any more it will look gray, so unless anyone else agrees... 11:58, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Breezey, but you don't have to darken it much if you'd rather not. Could you also add a lighter spot on the haunch and possibly the tail? It appears to all be in shadow, which I don't think it should be.

Maybe if you tint the shading a bit- like, pink or cyan- it would allow you to darken at the same time as ungray it. ungray? Just make sure to keep the tint subtle or it will look too comical! <span style="">23:56 Wed Aug 14

Amber, I'm just going to point out that tinting your shading is, in no way, shape, or form, mandatory for the project. There are still some long-time members that don't know how to tint, or prefer not to. It's a matter of preference, so please don't take the comments suggesting a tint as mandatory. You have the choice as an artist to shade however you wish, and whatever makes you feel the most comfortable.

Sorry ;/ but again, I said maybe... <span style="">05:28 Thu Aug 15

All I did was point out that it's not mandatory, since some newer users might not realize that. I just wanted to make it clear that Amber isn't required to tint her shading. Different people have a different meaning for the word 'maybe', like I know mine is different from yours, and I just wanted the artist to know that in the end, it's her choice.

Reuploaded. 14:31, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

I believe this image is past 50% completed, and have changed the heading from 'Under Evaluation' to 'For Approval'. If anyone disagrees, feel free to change back. It looks fantastic! :) <span style="">17:47 Fri Aug 16

Define the light source on the tail. 20:26, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Whiteberry looks awesome!! I'm sure he'll get approved soon, nice work Amber!

Just reminding you, Creamtail, please do not comment on images unless it is critique. You may not have known, so I'm just letting you know :) Also, the lineart looks miscolored on the haunch. <span style="">23:16 Sat Aug 17

Oh, sorry! I didn't know! And, his eyes look more orangey scarlet than amber, fix that and I'm sure he'll be on his way!

That's okay! c: Oh, and the eye color is fine, that's how amber looks ^.^  03:57, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks so much! 10:11, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, could you try to unblur the earpink some? It looks a bit overblurred. 15:03, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 19:26, August 18, 2013 (UTC) The shading looks really overblurred, can you thin it out and sharpen it to define it, especially on the legs? It may even perhaps help to darken it just the tiniest bit. 01:14, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

I think it looks fine. I do agree with Bbun, the ears still do look a bit blurred in pink.

I meant by my comment above was that the shading was blurred to a point that I have difficulty making out a light source or highlight on the head and haunch. I cannot see any definite shading on the tail, and the paws are completely shaded over. A little work with an eraser on the paws, raising the opacity of the shading layer a tiny bit, and an airbrush on the edge of the right side of the tail will work to quickly fix the problem. That's why I left my comment because I see that needs to be done, if that is not too much to ask. This is indeed a beautiful image, keep it up. 01:31, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Thanks Knight! 09:17, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I hate to seem impatient but can I prod for comments? I've got three days to get this approved before it gets declined, and I really want to know whether it's ready to get approved or not:). Anyway, I matched the ear pink some more. Changes aren't showing . 13:38, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

His back seems to have a gray half-circle. It looks a bit strange.

Reuploaded. Changes aren't showing. < 18:46, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the shading a bit more on the legs and tail? It still appears to be flat there; maybe try limiting it to the right side of the forelegs to match your light source more? 21:49, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm away camping for five days, I'll reupload when I come back. Comments are welcome when I'm gone XD. 17:50, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but even if you're away, that can't stop an image from getting declined. >.< Since this is over the 1 month limit, I have to decline.. ;c  06:46, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. x3 11:47, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Duck, can I please do Whiteberry. It would be my first charart, and it would be simpler than a tabby. Thanks.

Isn't it first come first serve? -shrugs- well, it's Duck's decision whether she wants him. 14:17, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know that. -sighs- oh, well. There will be more chances.

Blizzardwing (A) ~ For Approval
ew what have I created if changes aren't showing  <span style="">07:01 Thu Aug 8

What are you talking about? This is incredible, Berry! I wish I could do charart like this. Lighten the mottles a tad. 14:25, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

The color seems to not be the same as in the warrior image, I don't know if that's the shading or not though. If it's just the shading then that's fine, just lighten it then 19:14, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

No offense Berry, but pay you please stop saying your images are bad >.<'. It sounds like you're fishing for compliments x.x/shot Smudge mottles more. There needs to be more too. Lessen the tint and smudge the shading more. <span style="">22:00 Thu Aug 8

Blur the shading on the face? It looks like a gray patch of fur right now. 00:42, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Think you could change the tint of the shading to the cyan it is on the warrior? It'll make the colors match a lot more. (I don't know if I'm repeating Ivy or not, sorry. ^^;) <span style="">6:17 Sat Aug 10 2013

I think that the mottles need to be more circular and kinda creamish color (sorry if this doesn't make any sense DX)

Still working? 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, still working. I've had a hectic week- a crap load of homework plus constant reading up of subject selection advice has led to me having no time on a computer at all. I'll uploaded Blizzardpaw and the queens tomorrow, as it'll be Friday and I'll actually not have anything mandatory to read by the next day. school sucks especially subject selection x.x <span style="">12:45 Thu Aug 15

Sorry, Berry, but I have to decline since it's been more than a week without uploads ;u; gah im sorry  04:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-posted o3o <span style="">11:30 Mon Aug 19

Sorry but it's been way too long. If you were allowed to do that anybody would be. This is declined; you can post again in a week or so. Sorry Berry. <span style="">12:54 Mon Aug 19 2013

No, actually, the limit only applies to images that are declined due to the one month limit. Berry is more than allowed to repost her image should she wish. ouo

I'm a little bit confused here. Images are often declined due to a lack of work, which is caused by not uploading within a week of the last upload. I understand life is first, and I get the whole butload of homework predicament. It happens to me too often. But a rule is a rule, and I don't understand why it wouldn't apply here as so many other images have been declined due to that in the past. If you could clarify that just a little bit more as to why, that'd be great. 02:02, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

The one month thing is how long the charart is able to stay up for, period. The one week limit is how long a user has to reupload their charart before it gets declined. I also agree with Knight and Breezy, so this will have to stay declined. 20:18, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, no, you're missing my point? Berry is allowed to repost her image. The two week "wait period" before she's allowed to repost would only apply if she got it declined due to the month limit. I wasn't giving her leeway or anything, but letting her use the same section as to not spam the approval page. She's more than welcome to reupload and repost, and it's not breaking any rule whatsoever. Breezey told her that she could repost in a week or so, and that's not technically correct, but I guess that could be explained by the lack of consistency in parts of the guidelines. I think you guys are totally missing why I changed the heading. o.O

-Sorry for butting into the convo- But would it be possible if I like, copied this image right now, and continued working on it for Berry? And kept fixing what needed to be fixed? -I'd fixed what you all asked right now, of course- But I have not practiced this pattern yet, and it would be great experience for me to look at Berry's AMAZING work. So is that possible? [I will reserve it once someone replies] 11:52, August 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * The issue I have is that Berry should not be allowed to post it again after it's been declined as it would undermine the entirety of declining due to lack of work. If users are allowed to "repost" their image after a seven day period, then keeping it reserved and "reposting" would also be allowed, which would conflict with the reservation time limit as well. Declining an image due to lack of work and having a hands-off period for said user would be a less conflicting course of action than to allow Berry to repost it. There are two points, and right now, we're focusing on the one that allows Berry to repost it, not the topic of application.


 * As for your comment, Darkfrost, you must start it from scratch otherwise it would be image theft and editing. The only situation that barely passes as exception to that rule is tweaking and redoing because it has consent of the project's community consensus. You're welcome to redo the entire image though if this is declined. 21:13, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Understood, 'teldy. I'll reserve it now. I'll have it up either tonight or tomorrow. c: 22:44, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded. Oh. My. Goodness. I was lucky to have this look so good -_- apparently mottles are tough for me. I tried to match the warrior as best as I could, and to my surprise they sorta do. If anyone like Raelic for examp. is really good at mottles, please leave a message on my talk page to tell me how to do them well. It would be very appreciated. But yeah, tried to match the warrior as best as I could. Comments? 01:35, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth, define the tail shading, and make the earpink match the warrior. 03:03, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the dark gray mottles small and add more of them to match the warrior? ^^  03:14, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm..Misty may be talking about the shading, since its practically the color of the mottles, making them blend. Eh, do what she said. 12:21, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

No, she's not. She means the mottles. Where did she mention shading? 12:29, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Sorrel, no need to get snippy with her. She's having a hard life right now. And anyway, yes Raven I saw your point, and I changed the tint slightly so it doesn't blend as much. Added more dark gray mottles and tried to make them smaller, but I didn't want to mess up the pattern. Defined the eye depth, tail shading, and I matched the ear pink with the warrior's. Matched them side by side and they look like they match, but then again, I'm not that much of an expert x3 13:16, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't being snippy. I was just saying, Misty said nothing about shading. 14:35, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Make the mottles match more. This is great~ ^^ 19:17, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink on this ---> side looks a little small  19:22, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks Hawky:)Hope this was what you guys were looking for. o3o And yes, Sorrel, I understand. She was trying to say that the shading blended in with the dark gray mottles, making them look large, like Misty was talking about. Sorry if she caused confusion. c: 22:24, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant..Sorry Sorrel. 22:55, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define/darken the shading, especially on the midsection of the cat? I like this. :) 21:58, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Knight! :D And I won't be able to upload until Friday, since I'm going tent camping to Michigan today[Ravenfrost is coming with, view the vacation list if there is any confusion] and I'll have no internet. So, I'll try to upload either Friday, or Thursday[late in day] but that might not happen. Seeya~ ^_^ 12:14, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

The shading doesn't seem to have the same tint than the warrior. Can you fix that? ^^  06:40, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Larksplash (A) ~ CBA
Eh this sucks.. It was hard to match the marvelous warrior image. So, she gets an apprentice image because she was mentioned as one. Comments for improvement?

She is AWESOME!!! However, some of the tabby lines seem a teeny bit smudged. And her underbelly seems a bit darker. Other than that, it's AMAZING, :D!!

I think she needs to be more mottled too. I also fixed the align for you 21:17, August 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Creamtail, I'm not sure what you mean by tabby lines, as she's not a tabby. Also, I tried to lighten her belly, but that's as far as I can, because of the lightsource/shading. Not sure if changes are showing yet.

She has a creamish color on her warrior image, can you add it? (or define it, if it's just there but not very visible) 22:11, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Define the chest. (I'm not sure if this is a repeat of what misty said, if so, I'm so sorry!) 13:20, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it's just my monitor settings, but does the >> earpink drag past the ear onto the dark spot? Good job! <span style="">23:58 Wed Aug 14

Do you want the .xcf? You're missing a few of the colors I had in her tortie pattern. ouo (I can also tell you how I did the patches, because they really weren't made to be mottled. Just some layer effects) 03:17, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you give it to me? It would be really helpful. C: Because your skill is unmatchable and epic.

Reuploaded. I redid this, and I got the colors from the .xcf, so I'd rather not change them. ilu Leggy ty so much. Changes aren't showing yet, I assume..

Reuploaded. I forgot to add nosepink. o3o

Psst. I can't tell if you added it or not, but there were white tufts of fur in her ear on the warrior. Did you add them in? o3o 21:11, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

o3o I can't tell if he did, Leggo. So yeah, I have got a critique on the ear as well.. It looks like the earpink leaks out of the ear, and onto the face. I believe it should stay higher up, and in between the lineart up there, and it seems to go beyond that, making it look sloppy. If possible, please fix that Stoner. Or I'm just extremely picky cx 12:03, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I actually did add the white, but it didn't turn out to be very visible. I tried defining it. Also, the earpink wasn't leaking out on to the face, but I did make it... shorter, for lack of better words. By the way, Darkfrost, I'm actually a she. x3 But it's okay. :)

Define the shading on the back --> leg? Oh my goodness I'm sorry! I'm still learning everyones genders. xD 13:18, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

CBA? c:  06:48, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hawkheart (MC Alt 3) ~ For Approval
He was described as mottled grey-brown in TR ouo. Comments? <span style="">20:26, 08/16/2013

Define the shading on the haunch and paws. Sexy~ 20:42, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Nice! Maybe lighten the shading? Or at least smooth it out? 02:28, August 19, 2013 (UTC) Shadewing

Shading darkness is artist's choice. 17:20, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="">23:25, 08/20/2013

Define the forehead shading. 23:27, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's no shading on the forehead. o3o <span style="">23:29, 08/20/2013

Define the ear pink a bit? It looks gray. He is sexy. xD 11:57, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too sure, but since his description has been changed, shouldn't this be declined, because it would now count as a partial? If not, I think the earpink is fine, it's a lighter shade of the base coat. <span style="">14:54, 08/23/2013

The ear-pink looks a bit too uniform, give it a smudge and the pelt looks a bit greenish to me 17:51, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the legs a tad more. 14:07, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think you might be right on that, Ferk. Guys, what do the rest of you think? Looks like a partial to me.

Not sure. In page 7 of TR it says he is a gray-brown tom, which would be what were dealing with. It might be, but I'll go through TR again and see. :/ 13:23, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make that ears a tad more pink? <span style="">19:20 Tue Aug 27

Mottled gray-brown alone, though, I think would suffice. Gray-brown is a specific shade... I think?? I'm not entirely sure. Also, Ferk, you'll need to reupload soon, remember that. ^^;;

Bristlekit (Ki) - For Approval
Comments? <span style="">20:51 Fri Aug 16

Define light source; though it could just be my device. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 01:57, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps add a highlight or something to differentiate the shading from the base pelt a little bit? This is coooool~

Re-uploaded. <span style="">03:21 Sun Aug 18

I see nothing wrong, wonderful job. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 01:54, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'd hate to sound impatient but might I ask for comments? <span style="">00:55 Wed Aug 21

No, that's fine. It's been a few days, our bad. It may just be my computer, but does the texture make it look like a dark brown? If it's just me, my bad p:  01:32, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Nah, I agree, it looks brown. 17:08, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight on --> this shoulder is blotchy and needs to be smoothed out. 11:59, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

The shading looks fine to me.

He doesn't appear brownish to me. <span style="">21:13 Thu Aug 22

The shading on the [our] right shoulder is a little blotchy. The highlight only, not the actual shading. And try this code, Bloo[he doesn't look brown to me either, but might as well fix what you can't see] #080708 .. That may help a bit. *shrugs* Nice job so far c: 01:54, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading and color is fine, though I'll change it if anyone else agrees. <span style="">05:44 Mon Aug 26

Flailfoot (W) ~ Declined
He speaks about his days as a tunneler in pages 212-213 (I believe) of Tallstar's Revenge, so I think he would get this. Comments? 15:38, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

How do we know he was a warrior? He could have been deputy for all we know.

Not nessesarily. You see, Reedfeather was actually pretty old (And was never mentioned as a tunneler), and before Reedfeather, it was Heatherstar. I doubt there would be anything in between seen as Tallstar was born when she was a pretty young leader. I'm sure he was a warrior, so I say this should stay. Anyways, the shading on the cat's right hind paw seems to blend right in to the linearts. Lighten it a bit, please? This is sexy~ 19:49, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I still think it would be an assumption as to his rank. Do we actually know how old Reedfeather is? Flailfoot could have been deputy for all we know, then retired, and an older Reedfeather took up his position. Like, I didn't get a chance to finish Tallstar's Revenge, so I don't know if this information is touched on or not, but I honestly think if "warrior" was not used, which it wasn't when I glanced over the pages Beebs mentioned, then he shouldn't get the image..

Yes, he may of been an apprentice or warrior or deputy but if he does or doesn't get this image, more specifically the cite for being a warrior, should go to PC. 20:26, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Okie, I'll withdraw for now until there's a decision if he'd get this cite for a warrior or not o3o - by then, anyone can take over, I don't mind 01:42, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I believe that he wouldn't have a warrior image, since he just said he was a tunneler, unless it specifically stated he was a warrior at the time. Just putting in an opinion as to what happens to this image. 04:08, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with everyone above. Since we don't know the rank, we can't give it a charart. Shall we decline? 06:27, August 27, 2013 (UTC)

That we shall, Misty. If others disagree, they're more than welcome to comment.

Shrewtooth (Alt W 2) ~ For Approval
He was seen with a white muzzle in the manga of SD. Comments? 02:09, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that'd be major enough to get an alt, imo, but I'll see what others think o3o 02:12, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, if we were doing it for Shrewtooth, then we should probably be doing it to the rest of the Manga alts, which there has been many. But I think we should have Cloudy or Scarly decide. Imho, I don't see a real problem with doing alts based on the manga descriptions. 02:29, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

It's too little of a change to account for an alt, so I agree with Bbun. I believe we already had this discussion, but I could be wrong.. 03:08, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think it warrants an alt. Brackenfur has an alt for white paws, I believe. White is not equal to a pale or gray coloring, so I think it could stay. Can you make the muzzle more white, though?

Gonna say it is warranted simply because Petalnose had an instance almost exactly the same as this, and she has an alt. 11:29, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I think we should let this stay. I agree with Cloudy. The Brackenfur alt had such little change, yet it still passed. Maybe smooth out the neck shading? It looks a little blotchy. 13:23, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded whitened the muzzle a bit more. But I think the neck's fine. 14:38, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink just a bit? <span style="">19:33, 23, 08, 2013

Maybe smudge the white out into the fur a bit? Right now it just looks like a blot of white. Make it blend in more, please. c: 23:02, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded 01:56, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Could I snag another comment? Its been over 48 hours without comment. 13:46, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Sure..It looks a little flat. Darken the shading where the creases would be according to your light source please. 14:31, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Creases? O.o what do you mean? 14:43, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Lol like where the legs come together, where the neck slopes. Stuff like that. Where there would be no light at all. Lol sorry, I knew "creases" was the weirdest word I could put xD 17:08, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded the belly and the throat, then. 18:56, August 26, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the front legs? Very nice ^^  06:30, August 27, 2013 (UTC)