Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=Images Pending Approval= Please use this section to put images up for approval only.

Redtail (D)~ Redone
Needed to be redone as a long hair. Original artist is PockyStar. Comments? 04:22, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

It did not need to be redone. All we would have to do is change the tail. That was totally unnecessary. The images were completely fine, it just needed to be long-haired. Please just take the old one and make it long-haired instead of making a new one, same goes for the warrior. Posting a totally new one would mean an entire approval process, which we simply do not have time for. The old images were already approved and looked fine, it was just the tail. Having the images redone is far more time consuming. 04:27, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

It needs to be redone, and if you had an issue with it you should have brought it up on the forum. No one else disagreed. 04:32, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Where was it said that it needed to be redone...Ugh. Can you please give me a link to the forum where it was said that he needed to be redone? Anyways, take off the brown, as tortoiseshell cats cannot possibly have brown markings, and the smudging is really wonky. A cat's fur goes in one direction, and smudging creates a furry texture. The smudging shouldn't go out every which way. Move the ear pink up in his ear, darken/desturate it and darken the shading. Remove the mottled spots on his tail. 05:04, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oh and remove the random little white spots. That is also not possible on a cat and it just looks strange anyways. 05:05, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think ALL the white should be removed. It says on his page he's a DARK tortoiseshell, like Tawnypelt, not a tortoiseshell and white. And he does need to be redone. He needs to be dappled, given feathered ears (he still needs those BTW), made a DARK tortoiseshell plus he needs to be long haired. This is absolutely GORGEOUS though. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 08:48, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

RE-uploaded- Thats a realistic dark tortie. I dont care for it. 21:08, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

You need to get rid of the patterns on his tail, and his markings look like smudged orange stripes, they should be more like patches (but still smudged of course). 21:10, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Look at a reallt dark tortie and it does lok like stripes, and the tail is supposed to be dappled. 21:13, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

See my comment on his warrior image below v v --

Redid it again because i really didnt like the old way. 00:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the smudging smoother, again. ;3 Like the one below. 00:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Its really good! Make the earpink smoother and less blotchy. 16:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 16:52, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

REuploaded. 19:23, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

It says in his description that he has feathered ears...shouldn't the ends of his ears be fuzzy? Blur the earpink a tad bit more. 20:08, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 01:11, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Redtail (W)~ Redone
Needed to be redone as a long hair. Original artist is Insanular. Comments? 04:22, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

He is a DARK tortie, get rid of ALL the white, and give him dapples, and see if you can fiugre out how to 'feather' his ears. other than that, very nice. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 14:37, July 7, 2011 (UTC).

Make the smudging smoother. Nice job. :] 15:14, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

RE-uploaded- 21:09, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, huge change. Maybe make his tail a bit more distinctively ginger, it doesn't stand out much in this case. Dark torties do have brighter patches: See from this one. You should've just kept the old design sans the white patches in my opinion. And someone needs to re-do the kit and apprentice art as well to match. Shellheart 21:18, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

^^Yea, Shellheart's righ 8\ Make the tail a brighter to make it stand out like the description says OH, and darken the ear pink A TAD --

Reuploaded. 00:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Perfect! Very nice, I love it. Shellheart 01:23, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion its ready, but we'll see for others' opinions. ;D 16:54, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 17:04, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded- 19:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, make his tail a tad more ginger, change the colour of the red pixel in his eye, and blur where the black meets the red on the ear furthest from us.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 00:59, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded- 01:12, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Those ears look so strange. They look more tangled and broken than feathered. His other Charart had normal ears.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 01:17, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Thats why theyre being tweaked. I got the lineart from tawnyspots, who also has tuffed ears. 01:27, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

The orange needs to be desaturated, a cat would never have such vibrant colours, it should be a soft, low-saturation, diluted shade of orange (aside from the tail, its colour is fine). And make the orange patches smaller but have more of them if you know what I mean. Maybe make the tufts a wee bit smaller. This is looking nice! :3 04:19, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Adderfang (W) - Redone
I had a hard time findin' the right colour for shading. xD Comments? 05:00, July 7, 2011 (UTC) Edit: Honeyfur was the original artist; needed it to match the deputy picture. 17:01, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

<-- Change some of the stripes to spots. -- 05:42, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded, not sure if the changes showed. xD 05:47, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

You were supposed to state the original artist and what needed to be done tsk tsk. You might want to check out the rules again;). 16:54, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've always been quite the rule breaker. ;D 17:01, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the whole thing up a bit. 17:04, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add highlights to the front paw. Great work! 17:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 18:46, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

The tail shading is awfully dark. You should lighten it a bit. 19:21, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine. 19:34, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't this get highlights since his other pixil has them? Also, can't we just integrate most of the deputy version into this and just tweak the body parts that are different? 20:10, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

This does has highlights, and it just has to have the same markings as the deputy. It doesn't need to have same shading, highlights, etc. 20:12, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hollyleaf (W) - Redone
Comments? ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:57, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot. 07:24, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Done. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 07:30, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

You were supposed to state the original artist and what needed tweaking, and you might want to check out the rules for posting again. Blur the shading a bit more. 16:56, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think there was an original artist for this one, it's just a whole new piece. You made her into a long-haired female in lieu of a short haired, right?

Ya but it should be reuploaded right over the old image so there is an older one that somebody made. 18:38, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oh! I completely forgot about the original artist! *facepalm* I'll go post that on both of my pics. And I thought it WOULD have gone over the original image. I thought it was named the same thing..... ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 23:00, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - The shading's now blurred as much as it possible can be. And I can't figure out the original artist on this one. D: But yes, she needed to be long haired (and blur the highlights were a bit blotchy on this one, but that wasn't listed on the page) ♥ Paleclaw  May StarClan be with you ♥ 23:12, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Great job! Lighten t he highlight on the tail so it matches with the body highlights. 15:42, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add shading to the front left (her left) leg 17:05, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Man, I'm horrible at critiquing black cats -_-...umm...define the light parts a little. 20:45, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Moonleaf, there IS shading on that leg, so I'm assuming you mean make it more visible? And by define, do you mean unblur Ivystripe? Cause I was told TWICE already to blur, so I don't think I should... ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 00:34, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

I think it's fine. Define the shading on the chest a bit more, blur it, and it should be ready. 05:26, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great, but shouldn't it be up as hollyleaf.warrior.png so it replaces the old image? The short-haired version is still on her page. Shellheart 16:10, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hollyleaf (MCA) - Redone
Like her warrior, she needed to be long haired. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 05:57, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink extends to the top of her ear a little too much. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 17:57, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading on the tail. Good job! 19:31, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - I fixed the earpink and made the shading more visible on the tail. I forgot to mention that the original artist on this was Mapelfern. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 23:14, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with this. 17:06, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

It looks fantastic! Could you lighten the highlight on the tail a little more so that it looks as light as her other highlights? If you can't, then this is perfect. :D 17:37, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Milkfur (WC) (D) - Redone
I'm proud of this too. 18:57, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Give her the dark gray ear-tips, and blur the highlights and shading a tad, other than that, good job. Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 18:57, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading around the haunch and legs, and maybe make the earpink a tad more triangular. 19:10, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Make him more of an off-white. 19:10, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mossy was original artist. 19:13, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 19:27, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I had to fix the shading. Sorry. 19:37, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink just a little. 20:00, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 00:31, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 05:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 16:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make him a little more cream. 17:07, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I really think the color's fine. 17:09, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: I lightened the shading a bit. 17:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Can you add a highlight to the tail? It looks a bit 2D. The highlights on the body look wonderful! 17:46, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 17:52, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Could you make it a tad more cream colored? It looks like it's barely off-white as it is. 20:12, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think the colour is fine, lighten the shading and blur it more, though. 20:51, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: Is this good? 21:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink more pale.- Kittycat79 Kitties Rule! 01:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Also shape it a tad more into a triangle. 05:27, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Owlstar (SotC) (L) - Tweaked
So, I tweaked it, but I still don't think it looks right. Suggestions, anyone? And yes, I am aware of the gray around Owlstar, I'll take care of that later on - I just wanted opinions on how it looks otherwise.  Law liet  Ta lk 18:58, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. 19:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Make the nose gray. 19:08, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

You know, his description says that he has large eyes. Would it be possible for the leader art to reflect this? ~Shellheart
 * Probably not. Please sign with ~ 19:34, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah well, it was worth a shot. Shellheart 20:26, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blurr, blurr, blurr ALL AROUND x) Especially the haunch & the tail --

Oh, yeah, I know. I did it on a laptop, so, it's kinda hard to do it correctly. I'll be fixing this up and re-uploading within the next few days. I'll be getting internet access on my new laptop hopefully by Monday, so, please don't clutter up the section - I'll take care of it.  Law liet  Ta lk 21:45, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay x) --

Erase the waste around him, unless that's how you shade 17:07, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the nose gray, and smudge the earpink into the ear a bit. Nice job! 17:49, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and erase the waste as previously said. 20:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. So, does this look better?  Law liet  Ta lk 02:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a ton more. 03:34, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I sat her

e and blurred for at least an hour, and I still don't think it looks okay. It looking fine on GIMP, but when you upload it, it looks darker. I use Google Chrome, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it...  Law liet  Ta lk 13:35, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

There's still loose gray around his right ear, above his right haunch, above his right and left back feet, between his tail and haunch, on his left shoulder and on the tip of his tail. I advise just zooming in as close as you can and using the smallest eraser size in gimp. Shellheart 14:08, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Shellheart, you're amazing. Thanks for pointing that out. My eyes don't react well to bright light, so the brightness on the comp

uter is low, and that's why I didn't see it.  Law liet  Ta lk 14:30, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I tried my best, and also moved the ear pink...well...back up into his ear. It was bleeding down onto the head, from what it looked like.  Law liet  Ta lk 14:45, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Here, I circled wherever I saw some shading leaking out. I'd fix it myself, but as I'm still a kit I can't. Shellheart 15:52, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'm still getting used to the project. Shellheart 16:05, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Mistystar (K) ~ Redone
Original artist:Brightfrost; Redone:blue-gray, fixed lineart, redid highlights. 20:38, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading &&& Add highlights on the front paws --

Re-Uploaded. 23:08, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 23:16, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I can't blur it anymore. 15:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the tail highlight, it looks too bright compared to the rest of the highlights 17:09, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. ''' 18:01, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Move the earpink up a bit in her ears. Looks good. :3 18:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 18:34, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading a little. 20:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 20:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Whitewing (Q) ~Tweaked
I just tweaked the shading and darkened the base color. Original artist was Darkmoon25. Comments? 15:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the transition from the shading to base a bit. :3 16:03, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Do that ^, and erase the pink streaks coming from the earpink 17:10, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink is fine. It's just the style she made the earpink. 18:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading a bit, overall it's great! -- 18:31, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! Darken the shading, and define the tail shading. 18:37, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add light parts to the front leg/arm. 20:16, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and brighten the highlights, desaturate the eye colour a lot. 04:21, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Make it look more white than pale gray. Wild   breath   14:06, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lionblaze (W) ~ Redone
Original artist:Bramble; Redone:Longhaired. The tail stripes suck. Comments? 19:37, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Add a nicked ear. And I don't see why he should be longhaired, was he ever described as that? 20:12, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I still don't think we need to redo these for pelt lengths, it's easy to just add the long hair, but whatever. Add shading to the back of his front leg/arm, blur shading on tail 20:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-Uploaded. '''He was described with long or fluffy fur or something. 20:19, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

They're no mention of it on his page. -- 20:35, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

There isn't? Its on the list of images that need to be redone. See Forum:Tweak Week 2 Nominations. 20:38, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

There's a tiny white pixel on the chest fur. Snowdazzle¹²³ Lets count numbers! 21:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oops. I'll fix that. xD 21:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. 21:50, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and blur it, blur the stripes, and blur the earpink. 21:56, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Darkened the shading a lot, blurred it as much as possible, blurred stripes, fixed the earpink. 22:22, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, just noticed that I named the file wrong. I'll change it. 22:49, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

There! Renamed. 22:55, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look really odd, they're just big triangles and they're uber pixelly. 04:22, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Spottedleaf (A) - Redone
Original artist was Shimmerpool. I just redid it to match her description. Comments? 22:04, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the part on the chest where white meets the tortie colors. And darken the shading. 22:34, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

There is dark fur around only one eye I thought, and the MC is approved so I think it should be absent on this one Define leg shading a tad, or if it's all shaded add light parts. 22:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 15:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lionblaze (A) - Redone
I just noticed some extra gray on both of my chararts so I'll fix that in the next upload. :P Original artist was Moonpelt1786. I just made him long-haired. 22:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Nice job! Darken the shading a bit, and blur the white chest where it meets the tortie marks. 22:14, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Eh, Misty, didn't you meant that for Spottedleaf's charart^^? x) --

Yes, I did. :P I'll change it. And for this one, redden the earpink. 22:23, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I thinks so. It probbaly just appeared on here because I posted Lionblaze right before she posted that comment on Spottedleaf, so Lionblaze went first. x3 22:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur or smudge the markings more. 22:33, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Did you get the colors off of his original warrior version? I got my colors off of it, but yours looks lighter and browner than mine... 22:43, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

This is Hollowpaw's apprentice image. ??100 ways to die no. 9: Being  ugly 02:56, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused. . . Lionblaze is golden? 04:17, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Someone probably accidentally posted the image here in place of Roo's. I fixed it. xD 04:28, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 15:23, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

There's some loose shading above his back left foot, between it and the front legs. Shellheart 15:54, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hollyleaf (Ki) - Redone
Original artist was Icethroat. Needed to be done as a long haired cat. So? What do you think?  Law liet  Ta lk 02:26, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Despite the excess, assuming you'll fix that later, darken the nose nad define the ear-pink. 02:27, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Frostheart, the ear pink is directly from the other image. I cut the ears and pasted them on, because I didn't want to ruin them. I'll fix the excess and the nose.  Law liet  Ta lk 02:30, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Define the light and dark parts slightly, although, since I can't see it on any black cat, it may be fine. 03:07, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. Okay, I think I got all of the gray area.  Law liet  Ta lk No I still see some. x3 I still see some near the bottom of her tail, the bottom of her feet, and along the edges of the fur on the right (our right) side. Also, blur the chest highlight and maybe add a highlight to her tail? 15:56, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Erm, nope. Look, here's what I do. Make a new layer behind the image of the cat, and make it white. That will make the slip-ups stand out more.

Sorry, didn't mean for it to leak down. Shellheart 16:05, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Webfoot (W) ~ Tweaked
Original artist was Nightshine. All I did was tear the other ear. Anything else? 04:36, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Jayfeather (A) - Redone
Mkay, I uploaded it but for me, it's showing a flat version of the original picture. xD So um, yeah. This ish bad. :3 Comments? 16:15, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

His eye looks white. Wild   breath   16:20, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

=Discussion Area= Use this area to post join requests, questions, and general discussion.

Queen charart guidelines?
I was noticing that there had been a lot of debate over whether Squirrelflight, Leafpool, and Yellowfang would take queen chararts. I was thinking that for a character to earn a queen charart if it's not obvious, that they must: Just a suggestion that popped into my head today. Thoughts? Scarlet wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:46, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have bore kits of their own.
 * It must be known by the clan that they were going to have kits. (I don't think only the cat's mate would count. Like it would have to be common knowledge within the clan, unless they were loners/rogues/etc.)
 * Have been seen in the nursery with their kits.

Great idea! This would definitely help decide. But if the wiki was created before Sunrise was released, wouldn't Squirrelflight have a queen charart? :P 23:51, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

I never knew about that. But images can be removed, I know Adderkit's was removed be we couldn't cite his description. <font color="#46d686">Scarlet <font color="#149b50">wind <font color= "#7da8d8">Step into the <font color="#4b78aa">Light 23:57, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Scarletwind! But, I believe we should only do a queen image for Squirrelflight, since she had the rank. And, I know how only she-cats with the rank in the books can only have a queen charart.(example: Brindleface, Ferncloud, and Daisy.) As, she was a queen in The Sight. <font color="#FFE600">Moon <font color="#0276FD">stream 01:24, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Yellowfang was a queen in Secrets of the Clans, In: Yellowfang speaks: and ungratful son. She should have a queen image.You break the warrior code, I break your spine! 02:36, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, none of the cats fit all of the requirements: Squirrelflight never had kits, Leafpool wasn't in the nursery taking care of the kits or was it known in the Clan that she was to have kits, Yellowfang, same as Leafpool. BUT, I still think they should have a queen image. Also, if we do decide to have a queen image for them, is there a way I can reserve it? I'm not sure if I should reserve it until we decide, but I sill want one. 02:45, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Nah, you can't reserve it ahead of time, it's not fair to the other project members. If they nursed or had kits, they should get an image. <font color="#C3C6C7" face="Segoe Script">~ <font color="#AFCAF0" face="Segoe Print">Mis <font color="#87D5ED" face="Segoe Print">teh <font color="#C3C6C7">~ <font color="#87DEDA" face="Segoe Script">Where was I, when the rockets came to life...  05:55, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Princess has a queen image, even though she wasn't in a clan. I think that any cat that has bore or nurtured kits of their own should have a queen image, otherwise none of the rogues/kittypets/loners would have queen images even though they were seen with kits of their own. 06:36, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think all of you make a good point. Squirrelflight should definitely not have a queen image, even though she technically had the rank and did have a nest in the nursery, she never gave birth to kits or was even pregnant (which raises an issue because the queen blanks are pregnant) and she was usually in the warriors' den anyway. But, I do think it would make some sense for Yellowfang and Leafpool to have queen images, sort of. The fact of the matter is, in technical terms, a pregnant she-cat, or a she-cat nursing kittens, is indeed called a queen. In the books, the term "Queen" was used as a rank for she-cats who lived in the nursery, had given birth to kits, and was nursing them. So, it really is just an either/or situation with Yellowfang and Leafpool. Since in the actual Clan, queen is a rank, I don't really think either cat should have a queen image. Night Fall 15:59, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, Nightfall. <font color="#f7d86d">♌<font color="#bbd2e5">The Star that cannot Return <font color="#3da3ce"> to the Heavens <font color="#f7d86d">♌ 02:04, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should watch the wording for the guidlines, because in the case of Foxheart, they believed she was the mother of Brokenkit, and that would almost fall under the Clan knowing. But they shouldn't get pixils either if it is only speculated. 03:57, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think a queen blank is necessary for Foxheart at all. Even though there were rumors in the Clan that she was the mother of Brokenkit, we know that Yellowfang was his mother. I do see your point, though rumors aren't the same as common knowledge. Night Fall 07:37, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Unspecified Tabby Alternates
I know it was decided that unspecified tabbies would get chararts, but do they get alternates? 23:07, June 7, 2011 (UTC)Editing Warriors Wiki talk:Charart (section) - Warrior Cats Wiki - Erin Hunter, Night Whispers, Omen of the Stars

That is a good question. The unspecified tabbies would qualify to the cat's description until they are mentioned (if), But when they are mentioned we would make them a new charart, right? But would the charart already made be...? We wouldn't just...clear it from the page...right? 23:31, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know...what if the cat was confirmed to be a solid colored cat, but was mistakenly described as an unspecified colored tabby? 23:34, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

well I don't know maybe we could go by the colors the cat already had then add the most realistic ones? 16:44, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well what if the color was never mentioned? I guess we could go by the name, like say "Graystorm" was mentioned as a "tabby tom." Then I guess we could infer Graystorm would be gray. But if say "Bramblepelt" was mentioned as a "tom." I guess we would make him a solid colored cat, for no markings were mentioned? 17:18, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

I also have another question for unspecified cats. What if they are mentioned as a "long-furred she-cat." Would they get an unspecified alternate? 17:45, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes they should get alts, its no different from the acctual description, and as for the just long haired thing, it semms like they should get a default, but im not sure. 04:24, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I personally don't think that cats like the one in the example should get chararts unless they were described with a pattern (like tabby, mottle, spotted, etc.). We'd basically mean giving all characters who weren't really described with a pelt color or anything like it chararts, and we've always been against that as far as I know. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 06:36, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree to that too. We should only give chararts to ones that were mentioned as a pattern, I assume. "A long furred she-cat" may not be qualified to get an alternate for it was just her gender and fur length mentioned. 16:14, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

For tabby and mottled alternates, though, I think we should do the alts as the color of the actual cat. For example, if a gray cat is mistakenly described as a tabby, it makes sense to make an alt as a gray tabby instead of a brown tabby default. 18:10, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak Week
You can fing the about it here. Be sure to read all the rules before adding anything. 01:32, June 24, 2011 (UTC)

A few changes
Alright, two new things, first up:

Warrior nominations! We do not have enough warriors at the moment, and with tweak weak approaching we need a little help! Details are on the nominations page.

Second, rejoining users will now be added in as kits unless the user was a warrior or higher. Darkhallows  Enter the cave? 12:03, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

New Project
Please comment on this: Forum:New Project. 01:11, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Warriors App
I was wondering if we're going to do chararts for the Warriors App. I don't have an iPhone or any of that fancy-shamnshy stuff, but I've seen screenshots, and they mention names they were known as. For example, for Leopardstar, she doesn't have a kit pixil, but a past name for her is Leopardkit, so would she get a charart? I know I can't reserve, but if we're doing it for them, I was going to put them on the Charaters Needing Art page, so somebody can reserve and do it :P 02:07, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Ivystripe, this is a good question. I don't know what side to take on this. We have their names...but they weren't seen as that ranking. My guess is that they probably won't have chararts done, but, eh. <span style="background-color: #B7CEEC; -moz-border-radius: 10px 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Law liet  Me ow 02:32, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudskye. They have just been named. They haven't been seen. Like Leafpool, she was named a queen but never got a queen charart. -- 02:35, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Toadstep and Rosepetal weren't seen as apprentices; hell, we don't even have their names, but we gave them images anyone. We'd be hypocrites not to do Warrior App images. 02:37, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Moonflight. I think the characters in Warriors App should get image. 02:44, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree with Moonflight and Rainwillow. 02:45, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Technically, She was seen as one. She was mentioned as a kit when Sunfish was trying to get her to get used to water, Isn't that good enough? It might not be in a book but it was still mentioned in the warriors world. 02:53, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I have no clue where that was mentioned.... I guess you're right, Splashpelt. If she was seen, then she gets one. <span style="background-color: #B7CEEC; -moz-border-radius: 10px 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Law liet  Me ow 02:57, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should do chararts for all cats on the app that were mentioned in a rank that they don't have right now. We've had plenty of chararts made when we only knew the name, and we didn't see the cat. ♥ Paleclaw May StarClan be with you ♥ 10:59, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

That's what my logic is about this. For example, we never saw Leafstar's mother as a queen, but she got a pixil, and for Jingo's band of loners, some of the cats that died I think had descriptions, but we never actually saw them. I think we have to be careful though, because in the case of warriors, queens, and deputys, they have the same name, and I don't think we should assume they get a pixil for that if they were never seen as one of those ranks. If we have come to a concensus, give me the word and I'll start filling up the characters needing art page, if you'd like :)

-Oh, also, do we have to wait til midnight tonight to put the Crookedstar's Promise character on that page as well? If so I can do that while I'm putting in the others. 15:53, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

For the App, I think we should. Ivystripe is right. And on Crookedstar's Promise, this one stumps me. People reserved Sign of the Moon character on the fourth of April (around late evening/early night) but the rule has always been the day of the release. I would think, yes, midnight. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:green;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">Mintstar  This time for Africa!  16:20, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

They started reserving them at midnight on the server time. -- 16:49, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Actually I meant puting CP characters on the characters needing art page, so if somebody doesn't get who they want, they can find another cat to do. 20:24, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I added a lot of characters to that. :P And, I think characters that are talked about as or written about in the warriors App should get characters. 20:03, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Notice
If you are an apprentice or higher and looking for something to do, I have added both Crookedstar's Promise and The Rescue characters (it's not all of them, just most of them) to the characters needing art page. We have a lot to do here! So don't fret if you didn't get yours, there's plenty more characters to do :) 01:07, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Can I please join? I am working on a lot of new chararts from Crookedstar's Promise, (right now, Shimmerpelt). Sa lc  ie  02:53, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

You will be added in as a kit and can't do a charart for one month, because we want to make sure you're dedicated to the project, and we want our kits to learn. Wait for a lead to add you in :) I'm glad you want to join! 03:21, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

What could I do for the month while I can't do Cararts, and what could I do if all of them are done after the month has finished? I'm not going to abandon ship, I'm just curious. Sa lc  ie  14:17, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, you could do practice cats, put them in a hodgepodge picture like I did, and ask others what they think? After looking at tutorials, suggest ways to fix people's pictures on their picture. And trust me, there's lots of pictures to do from CP and The Rescue. 14:28, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

And Salcie, I'm sure when you become an apprentice there will still be some to do :) We have many with all the book releases :) 16:13, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you right now Salcie. I suggest looking at the basic guidelines and some tutorials before commenting on a charart. Thank you for your intrest in joining. 01:15, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Sa lc  ie  11:23, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

I've been a kit for over a month now, so is it okay if I add myself back on the reservation table? I'd like to reserve Rainflower as a warrior. Koisplash 02:39, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Please!
How can I become apprentice? I do Nutmeg(Firestar's mother) and I want put her there. Please? Thanks. Leaf-storm, July 5, 2011, 12:10 (UTC)

If you are a kit now, how long have you been here? If you haven't joined yet, you will be added as a kit and will have to wait a month. I'm not familiar with all the kits yet, sorry. 14:26, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Um I'm a kit on here but I'm pretty sure I've been here for a month so can I become an apprentice? Shadey  Iro Ni! 15:01, July 5, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

I am here for a month too, I think. I've been here before, but I was deleted. Leaf-storm, July 5, 2011, 19:40 (UTC)

Same here. >,< Just wanted to point that out. 20:49, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but if you were removed you have to be readded as a kit and your month starts over. 01:16, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know, but before I was an apprentice. And now I've been here for a month. Leaf-storm, July 6,2011, 10:00 (UTC)

Mapleshade?
Ok so go to Mapleshade and it says shes a loner, formely thunderclan, do we have a cite for that? Or not? Maple♥ pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 22:55, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

"I should have been ThunderClan's leader! But ThunderClan cast me out when I took a RiverClan mate... To be a loner when all you tried to do was to love?" Crookedstar's Promise, pages 479-480. (Also, why is this on the Charat page?) -- 01:00, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Probably so someone can do her queen and loner image on the characters needing art page? 20:47, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reservation
Can I please reserve Nutmeg's image?

Oh, I see someone else wants it.

Can I please reserve Mudfur's warrior image then?

- ♫Millie♫ <font color="#357EC7">❄It’s getting cold outside...❄ 06:07, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to ask to reserve something. -- 06:30, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Ok! XD It's my first charart sooo...

Can I join?
Can I join the Charart? I was curious because I wanted to make Charart of Sandstorm as a kit.

Silvereye1 19:04, July 6, 2011 (UTC)Silvereye1Silvereye1 19:04, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest! I can't add you because I'm not the leader, but I probably should tell you that first you have to be a kit for a month, and you can't make any chararts, only comment. :) Shadey  Iro Ni!  21:40, July 6, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Join Request~ Iceh3art33
I'm writing this for Iceheart, because for some reason it isn't working for her:


 * Please can I join and I really want to become the new deputy of Project Charart over time :D" Iceh3art33 23:59, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Rejoin ;3
Hai thar, folks. ;3 I'm rejoining the Wiki again. xD So, I'm requesting to be added back into PCA as a warrior or something. xD 01:39, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ayyy, Frostheart, welcome back :3. A LOT of things changed while you were gone! Just wait till a lead will add you in. Welcome back! <font color="lime" style="background:Blue">☆ Snowdazzle ☆ I hate that llama 01:41, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

YAY A FORMER LEADER HAS RETURNED TO US!!!!!! *tackles Frostheart, HUGGIE!!!!!* *cough* sorry 'bout that you were a leader soo you might be a warrior, IDK, personally, I think you should be added as a Sr.warrior, but Darkhallows said that anyone that left, and came back, and was higher than a warrior, shall be readded as a warrior so........ Maple♥  pool  School? Pfft. SUMMERTIME! 02:02, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back, Frostheart! It's good to see you re-joining us!! <span style="background-color: #B7CEEC; -moz-border-radius: 10px 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Law liet  Ta lk 02:05, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Frostheart! Welcome back! It's great to see you again! =D 02:06, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! Frostheart! You're back! :D 02:07, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

My Froon.. You have returnith :) 03:07, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Wewt. Froon's back. Make sure you meet me at the airport tonight ;3 03:13, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Will she be a warrior or senior warrior, since she was once the leader? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:green;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">Mintstar  This time for Africa!  03:23, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Warrior. >;3 03:55, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warrior. xD Welcome back! =) 20:39, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warrior?

 * Hey guys, I was wondering if I would have became a senior warrior due to the agreements on the former discussion that was archived? Someone archived it, but no one added me back in. -- 01:51, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm adding you back in as a senior warrior. Darkhallows   Enter the cave? 18:02, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Leaving for a while
I'll be leaving PCA for a while, I really wanted to help with Tweak Week, but I guess I can't. I'm gonna be putting myself on the vacation list for now. 14:19, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

And yes, I wanted to help with Tweak Week SOOOOO badly. I can't believe it >_>. I can't be an apprentice forever! 17:04, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Can I still help with Tweak Week? I'm responsible and good enough, right? 21:46, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

PLEASE?! 16:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

You can help out as in commenting. You need to work to become a warrior, you can't just ask and expect to get special priviliges to help out in Tweak Week even though you're still an apprentice, it won't be fair. Sorry. 22:21, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Frostheart is right. It would be unfair to let just you participate and not any of the other apprentices. You'll just have to be patient and wait. 22:22, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I've been an apprentice since November. You really helped, thanks. 13:55, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reserving
im just wondering how you reserve Charart, just so im prepared when i become an apprentice. Bluestar11796 14:55, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Well, you will start being a kit when Tweak Time is over. You will wait out one month learning about the project and then you become an apprentice, able to reserve images and make them. To reserve an image, You check the "Characters Needing Art" and choose an image from there. Then you just put it on your name in the reservation chart and start working on it! 18:14, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Join?
May I join this project? I'm pretty decent with photoshop and paint tool SAI, I think I can help. Shellheart

Sure, I'll add you in. Remember to check out the guidelines. Bear in mind that it is Tweak Week, so as a kit, you won't be allowed to post images (even if it wasn't Tweak Week, you couldn't), just comment. 21:47, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Senior Warriors
If Frostheart's a senior warrior, wouldn't I be one, too? :P 21:25, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why you wouldn't be... It makes sense... <span style="background-color: #B7CEEC; -moz-border-radius: 10px 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Law liet  Ta lk 21:38, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ummm........
Ummm....... Why did some of the images change? And what about the crookedstar's promise characters? What happened to them? O.O 21:36, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Mossnose, it's Tweak Week. This means that we work on improving images we already have on the pages. The images that were already on the talk page get archived for the month, and we work on those after Tweak Week is done. <span style="background-color: #B7CEEC; -moz-border-radius: 10px 2px; -webkit-border-radius: 12px 4px; padding: 1px 5px 0px 5px;"> Law liet  Ta lk 21:38, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

New Warriors
Hey I noticed that some of the new project warriors haven't been added. Does the deputy have to do that or can anyone? Wild fire  00:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Only the Leader, Deputy, and Senior Warriors can do that. 00:27, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Couple Questions
I have a couple questions. My first one, I put up Leopardstar's warrior image for approval, and it is on the approved list, but is not in her character pixels. Do I continue to keep it until the end of Tweak Week, or do I take it down? My other question is, I am listed as a warrior on the membership table, but my vote doesn't end until the 10th. Am I a warrior or an apprentice(as of now)? <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:green;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">Mintstar  This time for Africa!  03:48, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, may I join the project?

Well if they told you it was approved, then add it to her page. Also, anon, you can't be added unless you sign your post. Thanks. 20:49, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Mintstar, it's in the pending approval section. So it isn't approved. All of those chararts were moved there for Tweak Week. 21:24, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there was a version made in 2010 that was approved I think. Original But it doesn't match at all, and since you're already doing it, and you're a warrior now, yes...? I think you should do it as a tweak. Even though it was not nominated...details, details. 22:52, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think I may have been confusing. Rainy, it appears that someone had already made the image and it was on the approved list, not the pending approval. I know that the one I made isn't approved, but the one Ivystripe provided in a link is the one that apparently got approved some time ago, but never ended up in her character pixels. I understand why the ones up for approval got moved, but I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about a completely different image. Again, Ivystripe provided a link. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:green;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">Mintstar  This time for Africa!  02:43, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar?
Now, I know we don't usually base a cat's looks from their cover or manga apperances, but for Crookedstar's apperance in the short manga at the end, I think we should make his jaw look like that, and it's how it was described in the book. It doesn't really stand out, and it is described as fairly noticeable. Thoughts? 21:34, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should make manga alts, and there was a discussion about that, but I don't know the results. It is a great idea to make his jaw look a bit more twisted, but maybe not as exaggerated as the manga version. :P 21:45, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, plus, his jaw is twisted the wrong way in his leader version, anyways, and his kit version needs a twisted jaw (I don't know if that'd count for an alternate pixil or not, though). 22:32, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should have a twisted jaw kit be an alternate. The current one for Stormkit and the twisted jaw for Crookedkit. -- 22:36, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Goldenpaw. The jaw is hardly noticeable. Wild fire  23:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Join?
Hello i was wondering if i could join the project. Thanks Blue MOM! THE CAT BIT ME!! 22:10, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

I shall add you in now. Check the guidelines. Remember that it's Tweak Week currently, and you'll be added in as a kit. You won't be able to post images, you can only comment. 22:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Leafstar's mother
Leafstar's mother is listed as "planned" for PCA on her talk page. Her picture is up and all so why would it still be just planned? I'm new to this, sorry =/ 01:37, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's Tweak Week. We're fixing images that have been approved, but need editing. Hope that helps. <span style="color:white;font-family:Comic Sans MS;background:green;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">Mintstar  This time for Africa!  02:40, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

It was probably looked over on accident, a lead or someone will change it. 15:47, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice
I think I've been a kit for a month. Am I ready to become an apprentice? Wild   breath   14:11, July 9, 2011 (UTC)