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Events Timeline - List
Originally, I planned the Birth / Death list in the Events Timeline to include only major characters so that the table could be overviewed easily, instead of inflating it with large lists (the focus is on presenting the events, not the births / deaths). However, I see that people tend to add minor characters to it as well. So I guess we should decide a guideline for it, to prevent a kind of "edit warring": I prefer the first option, but I'd like to hear your opinions as well.  Helix talk 16:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Add only major characters, and make a separate lists for all births / deaths (or simply use the Nursery / StarClan pages); OR -
 * Add all (or most) characters

I agree with you about the first option. ♥Ice shine★  16:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be cool if we kept this one as a more general one (like option 1) but then worked on another timeline that would go moon by moon and be very detailed. It'd be a large project but it would be pretty cool and definitely be something unique to this site. insane brick'd 14:55, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I think Insane's idea would be cool. We can keep this Events Timeline general, but if we created another one that was more detailed, that would be something fun to do. 雨晶須 五六七☯☮ 15:00, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that would be really nice, but I don't know if we are able to do it due to the very scarce reference to time intervals, seasons, ages and the like (even the "current" list was quite hard to create). So... it would be quite a challenge... but we love challenges, right? :) I can try figuring out the New Prophecy series, if you wish.  Helix talk 13:20, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the main series it's not as difficult as it may appear because Gatherings can be used as one-moon markers, the only tough parts are the timeskips between books/series, but we have that mostly figured out from this timeline. I actually started working on something like this on my computer a while ago - I think I got up to A Dangerous Path or The Darkest Hour. If people think this is actually a worthwhile idea I could show you what I have so far. insane brick'd 14:24, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

The only time skip in the original series I can think of in the original series is the three moon skip in Into the Wild. The time skips between series are easier: Original->TNP, five moons+Firestar's Quest+eight moons, TNP->TPoT, however many moons until Leafpool's kits are born+six moons, and TPoT->OotS, six moons even. -- Gοlδεnpαω T e n s o u ! 21:50, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Goldenpaw. ♥Ice shine★  15:54, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Insane: you have a point with the Gatherings. As for my opinion: yes, your idea is worthwile, and you know that I support any article that supplies information regarding any aspect of the Warriors series. Thanks! :)  Helix talk 18:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I wrote up what I had so far here. it's informal and I may have missed some things, but it's just a quick draft. I was thinking we could use a format for the moon numbers similar to the BCE/CE format for years - Moon 0 being the moon that Rusty joins ThunderClan, and then negative moons would be before that. Just to simplify the numbers if we start adding history from before Into the Wild. When you do a timeline like this, it's really cool because you can see small details and even mistakes... like, did you know that Featherpaw and Stormpaw were apprenticed when they were only four moons old? XD insane  brick'd 12:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's great! Although, for months, I recommend go with "normal" names instead of numbers (like January, February... - or if we wish in-universe terms, Mid-Leafbare, Late-Leafbare...) as it helps the reader greatly to overview the seasons and years.  Helix talk 18:42, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say we should put the in-universe terms with the month names in parentheses. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 20:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put the in universe terms, as Goldenpaw said. ♥Ice shine★  16:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

One of the only issues I can see with the draft while skimming is that there isn't the three moon timeskip after Firestar's apprenticed. -- Gοlδεnρεlτ 天の道を行き、総べてを司る男. 06:10, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out that mistake, Goldenpaw, I'll fix it. And my only objection to using month names is that we don't know which month is which necessarily, since we only get the season from the books. Although it might be possible to figure out which is which by knowing that, for instance, the moon right before leafbare starts would be November. insane brick'd 13:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It can be found out, in my opinion; there are hints like "early newleaf", "newleaf has just arrived" etc. It is enough to figure out a single month, and the rest will be automatically known.  Helix talk 13:27, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know all of the months, so I can help out with the article if you like. ♥Ice  storm★  12:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, is this discussion over? ♥Ice  storm★  21:34, July 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * OK so to conclude it, from the above discussion it seems there's an agreement about:
 * The Events Timeline will remain as a general overview, listing only major events and major characters. We will not list the births and deaths of minor characters
 * We will make a more detailed timeline (divided to months), time permitting
 * Kind regards,  Helix talk 06:40, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

So what will the page name be and will we use Into the Wild for a year 0, or use the years on the Events Timeline? I have the time to work on it. (Well, at least until the first week of August.) -- Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 00:16, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say to use the years on the main Timeline, to avoid confusing members (but first, we should sort out BP for the main timeline... maybe there are more years there). 19:03, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if we use the years on the main timeline, could we still use the 0 and "BC" type of thing, just push it back one year so that it matches up with the Events Timeline? As this'd make it much easier to add previous books without disrupting all the year numbering, and since it's been confirmed that new books will be taking place at earlier times, I think that'd help in the future. Oh, and I think we should call the page "Events Timeline/Detailed" or something along those lines. 13:08, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we could. 14:47, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 18:53, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree as well. 23:09, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Alright. So shall we create those pages? (confirmation :P) 02:50, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Since there is an agreement, yes, we should. 14:59, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we can get started now. 20:23, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I was just wondering, has anyone created the page yet? 01:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * No; feel free to do it. I didn't myself, as lately I didn't have time to work on it, but it is on my to-do list. 19:34, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I have created the page; I will try to work on it as I have time. Here is the link; Events Timeline/Detailed. At the moment, I have not linked the original timeline to the new one, but we should eventually do so. 22:14, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your work, so nice to see someone working for PW. <3 I'm looking forward for helping out with it, although most likely I will have time for major edits only during the holidays. 18:59, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Birth's and Death's Suggestions
Okay, I was thinking about this, and maybe we should do for the Clans Birth's and Death's something like this:

Into the Wild
List the names of Birth's here, so on and so forth with all the books from Into the Wild to Fading Echoes, including Super Editions and Mangas, Field Guides if their any

Into the Wild
Same as under births.

So, whaddya think? Comment below...Please, comments! 18:42, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hm...yes. And I came up for an idea for the format.

Into the Wild

 * Cinderpelt

Born to Frostfur and unknown tom.

I dunno...it's not really coding but xP 23:27, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

I made all the coding into preformatted boxes to make it less disruptive to the rest of the page; if you guys want, you can change it back :P Anyways, I'd rather just go with a table for the births and deaths, set up similar to the Mentor or Nursery pages. It'd be less lengthly, and easier to organize imo. 23:39, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...that seems to make sense. Shall we go right away and create the page, or should it be...approved by a sysop (though Insane herself is a sysop) 00:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should wait for a couple more opinions. 14:29, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

I actually though about some table, more like the Events Timeline, something like this:

Maybe not by months, but at least by seasons... and maybe use some colour-coding to show if a cat ended up in StarClan / Dark Forest... opinions? :)

Tawny: this is a wiki, a page does not need "approval" before it is created. Anyone can create one; and if we later decide to do it otherwise, or decide that it is not needed, we can simply change or replace the content.

Kind regards, 08:54, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

The table looks cool. Nice job, Helix. That should be used. 12:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

He he...sorry about that, just wanted to make sure I was doing something without blowing the wiki up....and I think this idea is excellent. 14:29, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, but I think we would have a hard time finding the number of seasons for every cat. 17:33, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

We could probably just use the Events Timeline as a reference, but otherwise, we can do something similar when it comes to birth

I'm not sure if I got the dates right, but you get the idea (I know ShadowClan is messed up, but oh well, I couldn't fix it...;P) 19:36, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Whitestorm: Yes, it would. We'll include only the ages that can be calculatet, and leave it blank for the rest. Of course, this was just an idea, waiting for other input as well. :) Tawny: I don't think we need a separate Birth list, as we can simply link to the Nursery, where births are listed by book and Clan, including parents. 06:44, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, it sounds pretty good to me, but if the minority of the chart doesn't have the number of seasons, I think we should remove it. But, that's just my opinion. 21:12, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, we should remove the number of seasons. 18:35, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't the table be a bit long if you add all four Clans? 09:28, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean a bit wide? Yeah, that's possible; in that case I'll most probably separate it by Clan. 12:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * So like, different tables of different Clans? If so, how would the order go? 21:29, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would be the best. The order can be Thunder-Shadow-Wind-River, as we have on other articles (e.g. Nursery), but it does not matter really, we can change the sections later. 12:58, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with that, but where would we list half-Clan cats that changed Clans like, Stormfur or Mistystar? Would we list them in the Clan they were born in, or the Clan that raised them? On the table above, you listed them where they were born. Shall we keep it like that? 16:42, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would say to leave it where the cat was born. 04:58, December 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. Then Tigerstar should be on the ThunderClan side. 22:18, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

So what do you want to call this page? I think this is a great idea! Echostar 10:28, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

The Gorge rewrite
We have an article on The Gorge that presents the gorge on the RiverClan territory in the old forest. However, SkyClan's habitat is called The Gorge as well. Shouldn't the article (or an additional article) describe that instead? Actually, I'm surprised that we do not have an article about SkyClan's habitat - there is so much to write about. :)

What I suggest is to merge the current contents of The Gorge with the River Chell article, then replace it with a description of SkyClan's territory, in a similar manner / format as the Forest and Lake articles. What are your opinions?

Kind regards, 12:32, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you Helix, nice idea. Are there any other opinions? 18:34, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 11:58, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's a very sleek solution, Helix. It makes it simple to retain the existing article under a more accurate title and transfer the title to the more prominent feature that shares the name. The only other option (that I propose here only in case someone else didn't think of it) would be to make the "The Gorge" article a disambiguation page that leads to "River Chell" and "SkyClan Gorge" (or some other, more clever, title). 14:04, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. SkyClan's gorge is a well name, I don't know any names for it. Overall, I'll wait a couple more days for other agreements, and then, we can work on this. 21:29, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

I support Kitsu's option of creating a disambiguation page. 17:25, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Is anything going to be done about this? It has been more than a month since anymore suggestions. 02:19, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

I expected more opinions but it seems there will be none, so we can conclude the discussion, i.e. The Gorge article will present SkyClan's habitat, while the current content of the article will be merged with The River. Kind regards, 17:45, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. So, wait, for example, pretend this is The River's article:

'River: (that is number 2 section heading for now)

description

The Gorge:

description.

That's how I'm guessing it will look like. 18:14, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with a disambiguation page. Shall the SkyClan gorge article be called "SkyClan Territory" or "SkyClan Gorge"? In my opinion the first option would make it consistent with the other territory pages. And SkyClan territory isn't all the gorge; the gorge is maybe 4/5 of it, but there is a small portion of forest/field up on the sides that they also hunt on. -- 23:02, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe we can have both pages - similarly as we have "The Lake Territories" and "The Lake", we can have "SkyClan Territory" and "The Gorge"? 14:59, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the very late response - I think that's a good plan. If everyone agrees, I can create a SkyClan territory page and a Gorge page, which should probably be along the lines of "The Gorge (SC)" so we can create a disambiguation page for anyone who searches gorge in general, in case they are looking for the RiverClan one. -- 01:40, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Of course; I support. 14:17, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Supporting. Echostar 12:18, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

I have created SkyClan Territory and The Gorge (SC); their information just needs to be added. Their layouts and talk pages have already been assembled. -- 18:45, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Events Timeline/Detailed- Started
I started to edit this page. I did not go on from here because I wasn't certain if laying it out this way would be okay with everyone. But check out what I did with Newleaf Year 0. If that's okay, then I can go ahead and fill out the other seasons the same way. Echostar 12:15, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

I really like what you've done on the article, great job! =) It is similar to the old layout, but different enough to suit the purpose of a more detailed timeline. I'll try and help you out with this if you're going to continue working on it, but let's wait for more opinions first. -- 18:50, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Questions
Okay, a bit embarrassing, but I'm new to the project and I'm not quite sure what I should do. The only other project I've worked in was charart, and this seems kinda different from that. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Scarlet wind Medicine Cat of SolarClan 01:23, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * THis is actually a more typical sort of project for this wiki. What the project does is serves as the coordinating body for grading articles. You participate in this project by simply working on articles governed by the world project. It's as simple as that. 14:12, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * In this project; we help improve pages, apart of the warriors world, such as Moonpool or Clans. Not to be confused with books or characters, though. You can comment on sections that will improve articles to be granted any kind of grade and such. 23:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)