Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Redoing images...
Hey, I know we have a rule that anyone that redoes an image has to redo all the images for that cat, but shouldn't it also be a rule that the user has to do the rest of the cat's images before redoing another cat's image? I mean, it wouldn't apply to just tweaking another cat's image, but to redo one image and then go to redo another cat's image means that one user can just quickly make it so that they have "dibs" on multiple cats when another user could be doing them. Personally, I think that makes the project run a bit slower as the extra images for that cat could be done rather quickly but just sit there waiting for the user that decided to redo one image and just moved on to another cat. Does anyone agree? 04:14, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

To clarify: basically, you'd have to redo all of the images for one cat before redoing another cat's. You could go tweak another image in you wanted, as tweaks don't require you to do every image on a page. 04:16, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I thought something similar. Yes, that makes sense and I like it. 04:24, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, cause someone could redo a lot of images, and have to redo all their ranks. 05:26, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I always found this rule silly to begin with. I mean, if you have to redo one image on a page whose two images already look different, it's not out of your ability to copy the other artist's style. Now, I know that if you can't do it you can't do it, but when Iceheart told me about this rule (because I had never had any indication about it before) I was completely baffled. Do we really think that our artists aren't good enough that they can't copy a charart? 05:41, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The rule is stupid, albight a bit useful. Personally, I don't want it around. Say if someone's going to re-do Cloudtail's images (Not going to happen, but just an example), I'll be the first to admit, I'll snag his kittypet image if possible. I adore it, and if I had the chance to work on it, I would. It seems certain people think that we're unable to mimic another style. >.>;; 05:44, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I hate this rule too. I mean, what if we had it where the people who make new images for characters (say, a new kit or something) make all the images for that character from there on in? That would just be plain silly, and honestly, I don't see this as very much different than that. I mean, I would probably (along with a few other probably) redo the rest of the images for a character, but making it a rules just seems a bit unneeded. I think we should get rid of it, and it seems a few other people agree with me. :P Though, MAYBE we could make it so if the image isn't on the redo list, the person has to do the rest, but not if it is on the redo list? Cause then, it wouldn't really be completely necessary for the image to be redone, so the artist would have to take responsibility for making the rest of the images match? Though, like I said, personally I think we should just get rid of the rule altogether. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:58, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, you guys are right. The reason I thought of the little add on up there was because I think of the rule as flawed as well. Dunno what they were thinking, my first charart for the project was Shellheart's elder image, and I copied the deputy image just fine. I could do the same on the redos. 12:33, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

So, can we simply be shot of this rule and be allowed to redo images that need to be redone, regardless of who remade another image for the same cat? 02:52, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

If an image is redone completely, I say that the same artist should do all of the others (like I'm doing with Raggedstar). Sorry, but that's how I see it. 02:53, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: Like, if they change the whole style completely, despite the other style being okay. Ie: the Crookedstar and Feathertail incidents... 02:54, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I believe I said this before, but let's say in the next book a new warrior is introduced. Now, what if said warrior leaves the Clans and becomes a loner, or becomes a leader, and elder, or even a queen? Would we have the same person do both images? No. That's like me saying I did Spiderstar's leader, so therefore I must do his loner. And don't say that this is different, because it is no way different. Redoing is the exact same thing as starting from scratch. I am against this rule. 04:06, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ya we get it you dont like it no need to get aggresivly boldened. I kinda thought that they all had to be done in a row was self-explainitory >.> Yes they do need to be done in a row, i guess i didnt make that clear enough. People always say this rule is around because of consistency and thats all good and fine but not why i wanted it. I wanted it because people would redo one image out of 5 and then never do the others. Then there would be the one different one for months and months and it looked stupid. Thats why i pushed for this rule to be in place. I dont care who does them as long as theyre done within a reasonable time of each other. 23:40, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

It was bolded so it would stand out, please don't be rude to me. As for someone never redoing the image, it would go smoother if we had different people doing a redo; it would be faster. Say the character has four images. Well, one person could do two, and someone else could do the other two, and then all four could be up at the same time. Then this "never doing the others" wouldn't happen. 19:57, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Let me get this straight. Let's say that I go and redo Willowbreeze's warrior just because her old charart was hard to work with. So long as the pattern doesn't change considerably (say going from the pattern now to triangle tabby) and compared with the others, still looks like it belongs to the same cat, I don't have to redo the others. But if a charart is completely redone with a new pattern, then yes, all of them would have to be redone because it was the artist's choice to redo it and make it into a new pattern. Does that sound right? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:00, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Is anyone listening to me? What I'm saying is that we ditch this rule all together. It's actually really unnecessary, and kind of insulting to say that someone can't copy another artist's pattern or shading style. 20:22, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'm listening. Just because we have different ideas, doesn't mean we're not listening to you. The rule is unnecessary, but, we have it to allow consistency. But, at the same time, it makes everyone else think that they're not good enough to work on an image. Eh, just ditch it. 00:58, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Should we have a vote for this? Seems like half the people are saying to ditch it and half are saying to keep it.(I say ditch it though) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:46, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

If it's causing this much mayhem, maybe ditch it for now. If the leads wanna work out all the bumps, that's fine, but no point in making a huge deal about it now. I still think that it's a good idea but doesn't have to be a guideline. So, maybe, if you change the pattern of a cat, you can say "I'm planning on redoing all of so-and-so's chararts or something". Just a thought. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:51, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, yes. I like that, Scarlet. I was kind of indifferent on this matter until you said that XD I like it. 05:16 Fri Nov 25

That sounds like a good idea to me. :) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:37, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Voting Now Open!
Voting for the first part of the charart contest is now open! Go here to submit your votes! 01:15, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Test Chararts
Hey, I've been noticing that a couple of apprentices have uploaded new files for test chararts that their mentors have asked for, such as this and this. I'm afraid this might cause some clutter in the images and it may get us in trouble for causing multiple uploads by users. I think this could be solved by apprentices simply uploading the images over their personals or e-mailing the images to their mentors. Any other solutions? 15:31, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should just stick with those two. Personally, I think the emailing is good, that's what I'm doing now, but for people who don't have email, yeah they could just upload it over their personal image. I don't see any need for anything else, but that's just me. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  16:52, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds good, Paleclaw. Any objections? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:04, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

No. In fact, I think email would be better, that way a mentor could take the time to critique it, and write step by step things, and they could talk back and forth without clogging the recent activity feed / wasting space by uploading images. 06:13, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Alts
I've got a few questions on alts.

First off, would Lionblaze get an alt (after the apprentice blanks are finished of course) for his CotC picture? He looks more speckled than a tabby, however he DOES have very clear strips on his head (tabby M) and the tip of his tail. Normally I wouldn't ask this, but since Silverstream seems to be getting an alt for only having one stripe, I figured I'd ask.

Second of all, if a ginger cat that's DESCRIBED as a tabby is shown as a solid cat in the manga (in black and white, not on the cover) would they get an alt? I know all ginger cats have stripes, but if the cat is specifically described as a tabby, then shown as a solid in black and white, meaning you can't tell for sure if it's ginger or not, I would think they would. Like for example, Sharpclaw is a ginger TABBY, but is shown as a solid cat in the manga, whearas Billystorm is just a ginger cat (never described in book as a tabby) and he's shown as a solid cat. I think Billystorm wouldn't get one, because in the Erin's eyes, Billystorm very well could be ginger solid, but Sharpclaw is described as a tabby, but shown solid, so shouldn't he get an alt? Same with Jaggedtooth.

Also, just one last question, why was Ashfur tweaked to look like his CotC picture, but all the others got alts for them? Sorry for the long post. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  10:44, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I think if a ginger tabby cat is shown as a solid, then it should get an alt. I don't know why Ashfur got tweaked to look like the CotC picture, and I'm not sure about Lionblaze. 08:00, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Lionblaze, I'm not sure about. Speckled tabby is different, so I'm leaning towards yes, but I want a couple more opinions. Ashfur, I got no idea why he looks like that, but he does look nice. As for ginger cats, I'm gonna say, no alts. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:07, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

I like how Ashfur looks too, I just wondered why it was different for all the other characters. XD As for the ginger cats, why not? We don't KNOW that they're ginger in the books since it's black and white, and they're shown as solid when they're originally described as tabbies in the book. So why wouldn't they? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  22:15, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Rejoin
Hi can I rejoin as an apprentice Wild  fire Hazelx Thorn!  18:51, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Of course. I'm sure you know the rules about everything :) Welcome back! 23:53, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back Wildfire! 00:09 Fri Nov 25

Thanks Wild  fire Hazelx Thorn!  00:49, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Join
Can I join again? Sorry I was gone for a while :/ Maplefire

I'm sure you know of the guidelines, so my "welcome talk" isn't needed x3 Welcome back! 16:56, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Darkstripe Alt
I think this is a pretty stupid question, but when Darkstripe was described with silver stripes, was he black with silver stripes (like, the opposite of his real description; black with silver stripes instead of silver with black stripes)? Because I wanna reserve this charart If I can :P 02:30, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

We've talked about it before, and we've said no. Because he's already black and silver, so it's just a vice versa. I think he should get one, because his stripes currently aren't silver and he was mistakenly described (just what an alt is), but my opinion is outmatched :P 02:33, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Seems like they're specifically saying he has silver stripes, not dark stripes on silver. I'd say there's a bit of a difference. ~Breezewhisker~ 02:38, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so sure of this. Because he's still got the same colors, it'd just be like saying that a calico cat has patches in a different place than they actually are. But because it's a reverse..? 05:20, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'll go take down my reservation if needed. 18:33, November 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

That was put up and declined about a year ago, and no one's tried since. I still don't think he should get one. I also don't think he should have his dark grey alt, since that's his pelt colour, but hey, that's just me. 19:53, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I took it down. 23:04, November 25, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Join Request - Rainsplash1
Hi! I want to be in Project Character Art. 12:57, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Moved to a separate heading. Why of course you can :3 Please check the guidelines and tutorials before commenting or posting a charart. Welcome to PCA! -- 16:54, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Join Request - NoneStar
I used to be in here as an Apprentice and I want to be again I took a vacation from this wiki and forgot about PCA and want to be in again and I forgot where to request so I thought it was here I made some Char Art and want to publish it Please let me rejoin I really want to contribute to the wiki I hope you let me Join again. ★NoneStar★☆May Starclan be with you… ☆

Added a heading to avoid being skipped over. 01:10, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Nonestar. I'm adding you in now. Please check out the apprentice tutorials, mentor program, and the guidelines before you start editing or posting chararts. 04:46 Sat Nov 26

Join request
Can i please be a apprentice and get back in PCA? Thank you. 01:21, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm adding you in right now. Check out the apprentice tutorials, mentor program, and the guidelines before you start editing, please. 04:47 Sat Nov 26

Also, please remember to stay active if you wish to be a part of this project. 04:55 Sat Nov 26

Rejoin.
Hey Firestar here. Can I re-join as an apprentice. Thanks. F i r e s t a <font color="Orange" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">r <font color="Red" face="Mistral" size="6"  style="background:transparent; border:1px solid -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; orange;">! <font color=Gold>Firestar will rule all the Clans forever! :)  02:33, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm adding you in now. Please check out the apprentice tutorials, mentor program, and the guidelines before editing, and please remember to be active if you wish to be a part of this project. <span style="">04:52 Sat Nov 26

Leaving
I'm sorry, but since I'm leaving the wiki I'll be leaving PCA too. Bye guys. 02:52, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Aw, I'm sorry to see you go! Good luck with everything ahead! 03:31, November 26, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

May StarClan light your path and good luck with your endeavors ^^  04:40, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

First batch of winners! And part two of the contest!
I'd like to announce the first batch of contest winners here:

Apprentices Spring: Fallowpounce Summer: Loudsplash Fall: Leopardclaw Winter: Mountainheart

Warriors and Leads Spring: Moonleaf Summer: BlueOrca & Scarletwind TIED Fall: Shellheart Winter: Ivystripe

Congrats, all of you!

Part two of the contest is here: User:Atelda/PCA Contest (Part 2) Submissions

(btw, I think it'd be appropriate is perhaps the winners were featured in the news part of the main page of PCA ^^ )

04:08, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add it ^^ <span style="">04:44 Sat Nov 26

Can anyone enter still? 04:55, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

No, Wildfire. Only those listed above can enter. However, everyone can vote. xD 04:56, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Can I join? 04:56, November 26, 2011 (UTC)Hazeleye

No, only those that won part one can enter. But feel free to make a charart that fits the theme. ^^ 04:58, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay got it. 05:00, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

A Suggestion
Haha, not a day goes by when I don't get an idea about how to improve the project! This idea comes straight from Warriors, and I thought it would be a good idea now that we have the mentor system in place.

I'd like to propose the rule that no senior warrior can become deputy (and by extension, leader) without having mentored at least one apprentice to warrior level. I feel this will ensure that our leaders will be consistently more in touch with the projects members, from the apprentices to the leads, and that they gain a bit of wisdom that comes with teaching someone (you know, the same reasons warriors can't be deputies in the books without being mentors first). Of course, this rule would not be retroactive, meaning it would not apply to the current deputy and leader, but it would apply to all future leaders and deputies.

I got support for this on the chat, but I'd like to see if the project as a whole supports this before I propose it as a vote. Thanks! 05:11, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hm. I like this idea. I don't see why not. You got my support, Shelly. <span style="">05:14 Sat Nov 26

Not everyone wants to mentor an apprentice. What if they're amazingly skilled, but don't want to mentor? It doesn't seem fair to me, mentoring doesn't suit some members' forte. 05:20, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

That's the point, Splash. Skill isn't everything. To be a leader of anything, you have to be able to handle many aspects of the thing you lead. 05:22, November 26, 2011 (UTC)