Warriors Wiki talk:Characters/Archive 19

Deletion Review
A recent deletion of an article has been contested. Can some admin please process it? Thanks, Helixtalk 05:38, April 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Er... what exactly do you mean, by "process it"?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:48, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean un-delete it? Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  17:59, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I mean that an admin should decide if he/she undeletes it or not, based on the issues raised there (kind of the reverse of an AfD). Helixtalk 18:16, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sorreltail - Silver Nomination
I think that this article has everything it needs, and it is already Bronze, so it needs to be put to silver. ~Ec hos  tar  13:13, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I think her history for a lot of books could be expanded considerably.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 13:48, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It still needs a lot of work. It is a fair article, but not yet silver status. Møųş ëţą  łő  ŉ!!  22:32, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

Is this being worked on?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:48, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Archived due to lack of work.  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 21:10, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Cats with No Names
Hey, guys. I was reading through the warriors series, when I realized that there are tons of cats with descriptions, but no names. These cats are pretty minor, but they play slightly signifigant parts. I was wondering if we should make articles for them. I admit, it would be difficult naming the article, but we've got their descriptions and we could even make chararts for them. Like in Firestar's Quest, when Firestar was having that really vivid dream about SkyClan trying to find a place to settle, he saw a queen and her kits. It tells that the queen is a beautiful gray she-cat with green eyes, one of her kits is a tabby, and the other is a tortoiseshell. I don't know I mean, they play just as big parts as Fernleaf and Buzzardkit, I think they deserve articles. What do you guys think? Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 22:09, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, we don't have a way of naming the articles. If the only reason of putting them up is for chararts, it's really not worth the effort. If they were significant, their names would have mentioned. Skyfeather 23:16, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sky. Most of them really aren't that significan't anyways and could be mentioned in other characters' articles. Plus, there is the issue of naming, we'd end up with names like "Gray tabby Queen" or "Unnamed She-kit" that would be really confusing. I think it's best to just leave them alone.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:37, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

I figured. However Sky, the purpose wasn't just for chararts. I just thought that they should have articles since they are still part of the Warriors World. However, I realize that the naming issue would be too great; so I understand :) Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 03:01, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

We could list them in an article like "Minor Characters in Firestar's Quest" or similar, instead of making separate articles for each. This also goes for such once-mentioned characters like Foxy or Scree. Helixtalk 16:07, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

It could be possible to find some of there names by looking in the Allegiances, couldn't it? If they aren't listed there, then maybe the book after that? It may be possible that the character telling the story didn't know their names, but they could still have been listed, right?Hollytail Lion x Heather 4ever! 01:45, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well, not necessarily. In Firestar's Quest, there's an unnamed brown rogue, an unnamed tortoiseshell kittypet, and unnamed white kittypet, an unnamed ancient SkyClan queen, and her kits which are also unnamed. None are listed in the allegiances, however. Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 23:40, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

There's also an unnamed dark brown tabby (I believe) in the Dark Forest. -- Gοlδεnpαω A p p a r e ! 23:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if you really pay attention, you'll find unnamed cats everywhere throughout the series. Nightfall Silverpelt looks beautiful! 23:53, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

So, are we in agreement about this, no pages for unnamed cats?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 15:36, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think so. For the time being, anyway. Once we clear up more of the current articles, we may come back to this and figure out what to do. And like Helix suggested, possibly create a minor characters page. Skyfeather 18:43, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to join
I'd like to be a part of this project please as I always tend to watch the recent changes page anyway to make sure nothing happens to the articles and add information as I reread the books often :) -- ♪Shimmer pool♫  17:16, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

We would be happy to have you, Shimmerpool. Welcome to PC! :) Skyfeather  18:41, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Past vs Present tense
In Character Histories (and generally, in lists of book mentions of any concept), I can see that there is usually a simultaneous use of past and present tense. For example Firestar: the paragraphs go like past-present-past-present-past-past-present-present, even if they refer to a linear sequence of events. While my first language is not English, I believe this is a grave style error even in the English language. Should we update the pages to have a consistent tense (I recommend present tense - synopses are usually written in that), or just leave it like it is? Helixtalk 13:29, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I always write history sections in the present tense and I'm pretty sure that is how they should be written. I agree that these should be updated to be in one tense, and like you I would say the present is more fitting. ✐Sa  NdY  14:01, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

"According to my english teacher, when writing about a fiction book, you're always supposed to use the present tense, since the characters are there in the book right now... (as weird as it sounds) and that's the way most articles are anyway. The only time you would use past tense is if, within the descriptions of a characters actions, something had happened in the past, or it was a flash-back. i.e., Something like "Squirrelflight began to spend(present) more time with Ashfur because Brambleclaw said he trusted(past) Hawkfrost" (I know it's a bad example but I couldn't think of another one) or, as an example of a flashback, the story of what happened with the rogues and the Tribe which was revealed in Outcast, but actually happened BEFORE Outcast, should go in past tense. Is this clear, or, am I just making things confusing? XD"
 * Copied from archive 8 because I'm too lazy to retype it :)  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 21:14, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

OK, so I guess we agree on it. :) I already fixed some pages (Brambleclaw, Thornclaw, Frostfur, One-eye, Cherrytail, Violet), but it will take long to fix all pages. Helixtalk 22:05, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it will. That's the type of thing to fix when prepping an article for silver :)  i nsaneular The original Hazelnut spread 22:06, April 12, 2010 (UTC)