Warriors Wiki talk:Books

The Sight - Silver Nomination
I'd like to nominate The Sight for a Silver Nomination. Just one question, should we include the alternate version where Jaykit, Lionkit and Hollykit have yellow eyes in the gallery, or is that unnecessary? Earth bender Tawny Style! 18:01, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

The article is great, but before we make a book article silver, its sub-pages (Cliffnotes, Allegiances, Gallery) must qualify for silver (or be already silver). Allegiances and Gallery are OK, but the Cliffnotes need some work; more detail should be added to them. As for the cover - yes, we should include it, as there were books actually released with this cover. I added it to the Gallery. Kind regards, 18:31, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the Cliffnotes, Helix. I thought myself that they were going to need some work. The problem is that I'm returning The Sight to my friend and I don't own it (well I did, but I lost it ;) anyways, from the rest of the time I have left, I will work my tail off to fix the Cliffnotes ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 18:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I had to give The Sight back to my friend tonight, but I expanded the Prologue and Chapters 1-3. I'm getting The Sight from the bookstore soon (most likely this upcoming Saturday), but for now, I could use some help for expanding it. Earth bender Tawny Style! 20:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for your work, those chapters are really great! Unfortunately I don't have the book so I cannot help out, but I'm sure it will be done soon. Thanks again, 05:05, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found The Sight!!! :DDD Anyways, I'll continue to work on the Cliffnotes. ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 17:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

I have a few minor issues with the main article, though the cliffnotes are coming along well. The Trivia section, publish date and praise all needs citations. I'll take a look tomorrow if no one gets this first =) Also, I have a liking for those neat edition sections as can be found on the Midnight and Moonrise articles. It would be really good if we could get that together for this book (if applicable of course) though I have to admit that I need to get my head around how to source the informaton myself, so let's call it a learning curve for just about everyone here. -- Sandy star 17:42, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I don't think I will get it first (quite busy these days), so you (or someone) should "take a look". ;) I started the Editions section however, adding the two known foreign editions; the rest (i.e. the English ones) can be found out easily from amazon. I'm glad you like the idea btw, and as I promised, I will sort out the data for all book articles as a criteria for silver nomination (NP already has them). Of course, if you wish, I can put together some tutorial on where / how to search for info on editions, so you (and others) can help out too. :) 20:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Scratch that, I got them for you (except the wolf controversy - I didn't find any reliable source yet). 20:23, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've spent about an hour looking and haven't found anything either. I'm not sure where we go from here; all I can suggest is that we remove this information and if there is ever a source found for it then it can be added again. There is nothing els wrong with the article as far as I can see. 11:38, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Any more comments before the vote goes up? 08:51, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, we still have to sort out the cliffnotes. Totallytawnypelt99 was working on them, but stopped after the first 6 chapters. The rest of the chapters are not bad and could qualify for silver; but the article looks very uneven this way; either we need to expand the rest or tone down a bit the first ones. Tawny, if you read this, please tell if you still plan to complete it. 16:27, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Please excuse me. I competely forgot about them. We definitely need to make it consistent. 17:16, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry that I stopped so soon ;P I lost it for a while (I'm not that well organized and I got grounded for a few days) and I am still working on them, Sandy. But I'm also working on the Cliffnotes to BOTC... Earth bender Tawny Style! 22:05, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, shall this be taken down, as Tawny left the Wiki? 01:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * A section should be taken down when the discussion / activity in question is complete. This section is about expanding The Sight cliffnotes and article, and should remain here until that task is completed and The Sight and its sub-pages qualify for silver, no matter if Tawny left or not (Sandy is actively working on the cliffnotes as I see).
 * Talking about archiving, the section about SkyClan cliffnotes shouldn't have been taken down either, as the SkyClan cliffnotes are not complete yet. It should have been archived when the article in question is complete; and it is not yet.
 * Furthermore, Join requests like this should be put in their dedicated Join archive, not the one with the discussions.
 * Please be a little more attentive when archiving. Regards, 03:51, September 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Helix: I moved the join request to the correct archive for you. Whitestorm: You can archive however you like but I generally tried to keep it to 30 join requests per join archive and 20 discussions per archive, with the archives labelled by date (because I'm OCD like that). On this section: I am still working on the cliffnotes and apologise for only doing a few sections but it's not the most entertaining of tasks, I had college work to do and I had to go to work. I'll try and do a few more today. This is a community project though and although one person may nominate an article, the whole community have the responsibility to work on it. Therefore, this shouldn't be archived just because Tawny has left. 07:22, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please, anyone who owns this book feel free to work on it. I'll try to get it from the library tommorow. 01:06, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Menu Bar order
I'm not sure if it's different for anyone else, but under the Books part of the menu bar, here's the order I see (going by series)

Rise of Scourge

Tigerstar and Sasha

Original Series

Super Editions

Graystripe's Adventure

Ravenpaw's Path

New Prophecy

Power of Three

Field Guides

Omen of the Stars

Wouldn't it make it easier if we did it in chronological (did I spell that right?) order?

Original Series

New Prophecy

Power of Three

Omen of the Stars

Super Editions

Graystripe's Adventure

Tigerstar and Sasha

Ravenpaw's Path

Rise of Scourge

Field Guides

Just my thoughts, doubt it if anyone can see it, but if can, can someone edit the menu bar? (I know the admin's can do it because I'm an admin at my wiki and I can edit the menu bar ;P)

One more thing (wow lol this is LONG) shouldn't The Sign of the Moon and The Forgotten Warrior be under the Omen of the Stars bar thingy ma bobber? ;P Earth  bender Tawny Style! 01:57, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, maybe we could sort it like that, but an admin would have to do it. Also, I think that The Sign of the Moon and The Forgotten Warrior aren't under Omen of the Stars because they haven't been/not close to being released yet. At least, I think it's like that. 16:53, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought that letting the settling of the Menu-bar go to the Books project was sensible, since it's ONLY the order of the books section. (I personally think that the Field Guides should be at the end of the novels and before the "manga") When you guys come a decision, just let me or another Sysop know and it can be changed. 17:23, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought of Field Guides at the bottom since they don't really have a specific order to be read in, also because under Warrior Books, it's at the bottom of the table for chronological order, but I'd be fine if it was before manga, because after all, "manga" is not really...official (not that I'm anti-manga or anything, I love manga xD)

Well personally I would say Main Series, Super Editions, Field Guides, Manga... but to be honest I don't mind much. 09:33, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * In any case, the Main arc should be the first - those are the most important. I recommend the SE coming after it. The mangas should be one after another as well. The field guides... either after the SE or after the mangas. Oh well, this was the same what Tawny and Sandy wrote, so I could just say "I agree". :) 12:01, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. 15:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

So, which one of the two? (either of the two is good for me). If there is a consensus, the suggestion should be passed to the admins to implement it. Kind regards, 18:20, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I think that the field guides should come before the mangas, since those are actually "books" in my opinion. XD What does everybody else think? 23:57, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Since there seems to be a consensus (weak as it is) on the order, and the field guides coming before the mangas, we can send the request to the admins. To ease their work, hereby I paste the code that should be added to MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation in the relevant section:

*Warriors Books|Books
 * Category:Original Series|Original Series
 * Into the Wild
 * Fire and Ice
 * Forest of Secrets
 * Rising Storm
 * A Dangerous Path
 * The Darkest Hour
 * Category:New Prophecy Series|New Prophecy
 * Midnight (Book)|Midnight
 * Moonrise
 * Dawn
 * Starlight
 * Twilight
 * Sunset
 * Category:Power of Three Series|Power of Three
 * The Sight
 * Dark River
 * Outcast
 * Eclipse
 * Long Shadows
 * Sunrise
 * Category:Omen of the Stars Series|Omen of the Stars
 * The Fourth Apprentice
 * Fading Echoes
 * Night Whispers
 * Category:Super Edition Series|Super Editions
 * Firestar's Quest
 * Bluestar's Prophecy
 * SkyClan's Destiny
 * Crookedstar's Promise
 * Category:Field Guide Series|Field Guides
 * Secrets of the Clans
 * Cats of the Clans
 * Code of the Clans
 * Battles of the Clans
 * Category:The Lost Warrior Series|Graystripe's Adventure
 * The Lost Warrior
 * Warrior's Refuge
 * Warrior's Return
 * Category:The Rise of Scourge|The Rise of Scourge
 * Category:Tigerstar and Sasha Series|Tigerstar and Sasha
 * Into the Woods
 * Escape From the Forest
 * Return to the Clans
 * Category:Ravenpaw's Path Series|Ravenpaw's Path
 * Shattered Peace
 * A Clan in Need
 * The Heart of a Warrior

Hope I did not mess up the coding. Kind regards, 18:56, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, should we add Crokkedstar's Promise to the list? I know it has not come out yet, but neither has Night Whisperers. 20:40, September 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, I missed that; fixed. Yeah, I say we should add it as we already have an article, and to avoid changing the menu each few months or so. You can add the Sign of the Moon and Forgotten Warrior too if you wish, just edit the list. :) 11:57, September 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't thiunk Sigh of the Moon and Forgetten Warrior need to be on there, yet. I will take this request to Bramble. 12:13, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Fading Echoes - Silver Nomination
The Fading Echoes article is well expanded. The other pages are fine, I think this article is worthy of silver status. 22:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

It needs a citation for Dovepaw and Lionblaze being on the cover. Other than that, it's great! 22:29, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * The author, illustrator, publish date, cover cats, and some of the trivia needs citations. I'm not sure that there is any praise available yet but it's best to be sure and the detailed plot summary looks really long. Overall it's a good article though and almost ready for silver in my opinion. 22:36, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Darn you Sandy... you took all the things I was going to say. :D Anyway, if you are planning on including the cliffnotes and gallery, the end of the cliffnotes could use some work, and some more pictures need to be added to the gallery. I'll try hunting for the citations and pictures. However, I will be of no use helping with the cliffnotes. 23:40, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, old habits die hard. I believe there was an agreement a while back that in order for a main book page to be graded silver, the cliffnotes and gallery must also be at that standard and graded as well. 05:42, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gallery is OK, there are no more pictures to add as there were no other releases or translations. Cliffnotes need expansion, especially chapters 12-23. 11:03, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright. I shall work on those chapters right now. 16:45, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jacket Designer Question.....
I know that I "quit the project", but that doesn't stop me from asking a question. Should the books template (the charcat for books) be fixed so that it shows the Jacket Designer? Like under Cover Artist, cover/jacket Designer? Just curious.......Tawny (Talk) 23:48, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they should. 01:32, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Sorry, I assumed it had been else I would have got it sooner. All that is needed now is the information for each book. 17:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Please forgive me. I meant to do that, but I have been very busy... :( Anyways, thanks Sandy. 01:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I tried to add the data for the New Prophecy, but only the first 3 books name the jacket designer. Starlight, Twilight and Sunset do not have any info, and I do not want to assume that the same person did them as the previous books. I have the paperback editions; can someone with the hardcovers check it? 15:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

I will, after I get done with the other work I have. 16:05, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I can't as I don't have the books with me. The Browse Inside doesn't help either. -_- Anybody with the hardcover editions of any books, please add the jacket designer. Thanks! 19:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well you may have noticed I added the Twlight and Sunset ones this morning. I'm afraid my copy of Starlight is also a paperback. I have the hardcover editions of the po3 and OTS series though so I can add them when I get time if no one else does beforehand. The browse insides may or may not be of use here. I don't remember whether the inside flaps are shown in them or not... 20:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I sorted out the Original Series with the help of the browse insides. Sandy: apparently, most of the browse insides show the paperback editions, but some randomly show the hardcover one. 11:20, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I was looking at my paperback copy of A Dangerous Path, and on the bottom of the back cover, it lists the cover designer! Now we have a way to add it to paperback as well. 22:34, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Articles on Persons
I wonder if we need articles on jacket designers, such as Hilary Zarycky. My main concern is that there is no material for a stand-alone article as apparently no information can be found on them on the internet. Maybe we should make a single page listing all cover designers (and other persons only loosely connected to Warriors) in one place, instead of individual pages. Opinions? :) 11:10, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think a page for them, where we lump them until such time as there's enough information for a standalone page, would be a good way to work around the fact that they DESERVE to be added. You can even guide wikilinks to sections using #sectiontitle following the pagename. As a future Graphic Designer I love to see people in my profession getting the credit they deserve and attention from a place like this ;) 13:14, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm all OK with that, it's just I cannot find any data. Doing a google search on Hilary Zarycky, Karin Paprocki etc turns up only some links mentioning them as cover designers for certain books, but nothing more. 15:11, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree with having an article for her, but we do need more information. I did the same thing as you Helix, and could not anything. I will keep trying to look, though. 18:10, September 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Professional Profile for Paprocki HERE. One for Hilary Zarycky is HERE. They're not telling, but they give us a start. I'll do more research later on. 23:13, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kitsu! This should help out. 23:18, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Um, I know that she has designed The Fourth Apprentice and Fading Echoes. Should I add that in? Willow heart  1231  23:21, September 18, 2010 (UTC)Willowheart1231


 * You mean creating lists on the articles about the designers, listing which books did they work on? Yes, we can do that, if the leaders agree. :) 18:58, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds okay with me. You can go ahead and it. :) 20:42, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 22:32, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes Shattered Peace - Silver Nomination
It was not me who completed these and I do not own the book, but they look complete to me and ready for silver. 09:38, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I do not have the book either, but they look good to me. Someone who owns the book should confirm that the article is complete though. Kind regards, 13:16, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I also do not have the book, but they are fine to me. 13:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Same with me. 18:15, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Cliffnotes Forest of Secrets~Bronze nomination?
I fixed some stuff, Nout sure about the links in Chapter 7 because some of their names already had links. I also made sure that were no formatting problems nad i ran through it twice. But i may have missed something.....Anyway i think it is ready for Bronze (I think) nomination :P 02:29, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, there is no nomination process for bronze, just change it when you think it is ready. However, there is still some expansion needed in all chapters for it to be bronze or silver. 02:40, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Periods in List Items
Though my first language is not English, I believe that list items do not need periods (full stops) after them. Can someone confirm this? Several cliffnotes pages seem to have them, and I keep removing them when proposing for silver. 11:35, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that they should have periods, but I guess I never knew that for sure. 20:31, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not sure either... we should find some confirmation in some grammar book or similar. I hope to get input from other users as well. 18:03, October 1, 2010 (UTC)