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SkyClan and ShadowClan
You know how some cats have the Clan abbreviation after the names of their pages because there are different cats with the same name? Like Ashfur (TC) and Ashfur (SC)? Well, since ShadowClan's and SkyClan's names begin with the same letter, I suggest that the abbreviation for SkyClan be (SkC). Using the Robinwings as an example:

Robinwing (TC)

Robinwing (WC)

Robinwing (SkC)

Robinwing (RC)

Get it? I hope so XD Raven flight 92 22:49, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that works. Anyone oppose of this?-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 22:58, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

The reason only some of the pages have (SkC) or (ShC) is because only one or two names have cats in both Clans, such as Oakpaw. For others like Robinwing, there's no need to add an extra letter. It would add some clarification, so it's not a bad idea. It would throw me out of whack when linking for a while but if you guys think it's worth it then it's cool :)  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should use the 'SkC' or 'SkC' for now, since there is no Robinwing in ShadowClan or any other cats with the same name in shadowclan or skyclan. -- Icestorm Peace 14:27, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree Ice. I think that a generic system would be better as it avoids any confusion over whether 'SC' means 'ShadowClan' or 'SkyClan' for any individual cat - at the moment you need to actually go and look at the page and see which it is. I think a system that can be used for all cats no matter whether there is both a ShadowClan and SkyClan cat with that name or not would be better, with 'SkC' meaning SkyClan and 'SC' being used only for ShadowClan cats. (or 'ShC' if it's preferable; I just have in my head the abbreviations I've always used) ✐Sa  NdY  18:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds good to me, Sandy. I doubt we need the (ShC) because ShadowClan is more common and thus people will assume it when they see (SC). For SkyClan, which is less common, we can make the extra distinguishing factor.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Do people think we should make the change, or keep it as is?  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Change it, in my opinion. Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  15:04, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone else? insane brick'd 02:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Can't decide. It's OK either way. Helixtalk 03:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I still vote for changing it per my argument above. -- Sandy star 10:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sandy. '''

  E c h o  star  ''' 20:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Overview
Especially for major characters, we should have an "Overview" section describing the major milestones and actions in about 10-20 paragraphs, so users unfamiliar with the character could readily see who it was and what did it do (instead of browsing through lengthy History sections listing all events without focusing on their importance). Helixtalk 09:02, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, all information is necessary for it, and I liked the history layout when I was new to Warriors. Mo   us    et    al    on    !!   00:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I did not suggest removing the History section; only adding a section that summarizes it. Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

That would make sense, but my only objection to it is that if a user is 'unfamiliar with the cat' they probably don't want major spoilers of everything that cat did in the course of the whole series... by sorting it by book it allows people to avoid the sections of books they haven't read and minimize spoilers for everyone while still offering comprehensive information.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 01:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's a valid concern... Helixtalk 07:27, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

What if we put it after the history, and divide it into the Series? For example, here's how the wikicode would look. ===Overview===

In the Original Series
(overview of what the did in the Original series, if applicable)

In the New Prophecy Series
(overview of what they did in the New Prophecy, if applicable)

Would that work? → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Played around a bit, check here. The spoilered section is auto-hidden, click on Show (next to the description). However, I guess it'd overcomplicate things, and I see that not many users are interested in the feature, so we can leave it as it is for now. Helixtalk 12:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

That hidden section actually looks pretty nice. My only concern which does not directly affect this idea's implementation, is that we might have to discuss page layout... for major characters like Firestar the pages have a lot going on and it's less organized that I'd like it to be. But of course that separate issue doesn't have to do with this... ah I tend to ramble a lot XD  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 00:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well, are we implementing this? Perseuς | Perseus ,  Thou art not the hero | Thou art not the hero  14:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. I think it might be good for a few pages, but I want to get other people's input too. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep it the way it is. An overview would just be confusing; especially if somebody wants to go through the character's history without a paticular book being spoiled for them  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 05:50, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I kind of agree with you to be honest. Does anyone disagree with this, and want the Overviews? insane brick'd 02:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

I don't want it. It sounds very confusing to me.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  00:26, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm going to vote no on this one. I think we have enough work to do with filling in histories and fixing up the over 600 character pages without adding another huge piece of work to the list that is not strictly necessary in terms of giving any new information. I also think that the vast majority of history sections are no more than a paragraph or too per book (obviously the main characters such as Firestar are bigger than this, and POV characters have more about them, but I don't think this could be shortened by much for an overview anyway without removing important details) anyway and so it should not be too much of a problem to look through them if a person wishes to know about a character. Also, as a warriors wiki this is the one place on the internet where I've seen such history sections as we have here and I think that is what we can pride ourselves on; detail. I'm not sure that an overview section wouldn't overcomplicate the page and detract from the detailed history summaries we already work hard to produce. -- Sandy star 13:18, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * What Sandy says is true. Is it really necessary? We already have a section before history that explains what the character looks like. I do not believe this is necessary. However, I do believe that there should be more information about what the character is really like. Like, Berrynose is a know-it-all, and Tigerstar was evil. These are based on opinions, yes, but the opinions do not come from the readers alone. Lionblaze was the one who introduced Berrynose as a know-it-all. Tigerstar being evil is an opinion shared by many cats. Major characters and some minor characters have their personalities strongly stated throughout the series. I believe that these opinions should be stated in the beginning of the history section (if the cat's personality is strongly acknowledged and/or explained). This is my opinion. What do you think?  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼ 

20:02, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Mates
I think this was briefly discussed, but overlookd. In my opinion, the article Mates should be locked so that unregistered contributers can't edit it, only warriors wiki members can. (If that's possible) I know that there are unregistered contributers who mean no harm, and some can even be quite helpful. But that page is this enormous bullseye for a vandal, if you know what I mean. What do you guys think?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 07:58, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, there was a discussion about this on PW talk, I think, but it's gone now, I guess it got archived due to lack of discussion.  i nsaneular  The original Hazelnut spread 22:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

So what's your opinion about it?  ☻Nightfall☻ Follow the brightest star in the sky! 02:57, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I support the idea - it was me in the first place who suggested it, but it was dropped / forgotten somehow. Helixtalk 17:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. One time an unregistered contributor wrote, "Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight will probably get together again", and someone wiped a whole section out. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I've had to undo several edits there from unregistered contributors.  Mo us  et  al  on  !!  Here comesSUMMER!  00:28, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've just protected it from unregistered users and new ones. I think it's a valid point that this sort of page attracts some vandals who can be IPs. Insane; if you'd like to unprotect it, feel free, just helping out. =) --Bram ble 14:15, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I don't object to protecting it, however on the PW discussion I was not sure if we needed it separate from other pages like Queen and Nursery. However, this is not the place to talk about that. It definitely was attracting many unexperienced users and even vandalism so it's worthy of protection for now. insane brick'd 23:35, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Graystripe - Silver Nomination
I'm surprised he's not already gold. :) I don't own many of the books so I may need help with the improvements.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:13, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

For such a major character, he has awfully short history for several sections, particularly some of the original series ones. Those definitely need fleshing out and he could probably use a general look over if someone has time. insane brick'd 21:29, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I'd do it myself, but I don't have any of the books. If anyone would like to do it, that would be great. I mean, come on, it's Graystripe! :)-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 20:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

I've been editing Graystripe for a few days, he could need some extension in the OS, but I don't know if I should do it. Sky wish16  Nannerpus, the banana peel 00:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

If you have the books, you're more than welcome too as I don't own those books.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 01:14, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wait. Do we need a citation for Tigerstar mentoring him? Quailflight 09:34, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah we should. It should be in Into the Wild.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 10:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Not just Into the Wild, but a page source, too. → •Maple  fern•  ←  11:42, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone have the page? It's after Lionheart dies.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 12:51, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I have Into the Wild, but I can't find it. Quailflight 19:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

I read Into the Wild, starting after Lionheart died all the way to the end. There's acually nothing that says Tigerclaw mentored Graypaw. There was one point when Graypaw when to a training session with Tigerclaw and Ravenpaw, but there was never an official ceremony or anything after that Night  Fall 04:42, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I was reading Fire and Ice and Bluestar said when Graystripe and Fireheart got apprentices, she told Fireheart to pass down all he learned from Tigerclaw and Lionheart. Maybe we could get a citation for that? Quailflight 14:37, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

You mean Graystripe? If so, that would work.-- Moonflight A Star In Her Own Mind... 19:51, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

No, it was Fireheart. Bluestar mentioned only Lionheart to Graystripe. But I think it would be relevant enough for Graystripe. Quailflight 19:54, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Jayfeather-Silver Nomination
I fixed up Jayfeather's page pretty good and I think it deserves at least a Silver grade. Riverpelt Heart of Amber 18:07, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sunrise section could use expansion. → •Maple  fern•  ←  21:48, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Leafpool as a mentor needs to be cited-- Night s h i n e   R  03:40, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. I did it. Sky wish16  Hail to the awesome WAGE! 02:35, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'm working on cleaning up his history now. One question though, since I haven't read The Sight in a while, did Tigerstar ask Jaypaw to be trained by him before Jaypaw became a medicine cat apprentice, or after? insane brick'd 12:07, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

It was before. Page 227 was when Tigerstar and Hawkfrost approached him for the first time, and he becomes a med cat on page 243-244.<font color="#00FF00" face="Handwriting-Dakota" style="background:black">Hollytail Lion x Heather 4ever! 14:45, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that's what i thought, thanks. I'll continue cleaning up his history. insane brick'd 16:17, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Daisy- Silver Nomination
I think she's ready. I don't know were it mentions her having a creamy pelt though and that was one thing mentioned on the talk page. Γǻώή ςτόŗm  08:40, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks OK for silver. I will check Sunset for the creamy pelt. Helixtalk 15:17, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first book we see her in as a kittypet/loner should be the citation source. -- Quailflight 09:32, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Is that Twilight? Or Starlight? Γǻώή ςτόŗm  09:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Talonpaw
On Talonpaw's page, it states that he is a brown tom with yellow eyes, but I cannot find any reference in the books. Can someone else check it too? Maybe I missed something. Helixtalk 11:53, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I checked Starlight and Twilight, there was no mention of his appearance at all, so I removed it from his page. insane brick'd 11:58, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Cedarheart - Silver Nomination
He does have lots of books where he doesn't appear, but I think he looks fine. Ice fall 13:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

I agree; he looks great! I think he just needs a quote or two, and then he'll be perfect. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 13:35, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Got it. He's good to go! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 13:49, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Icicle, Sniff, Cloudy, and Snowflake - Silver Nominations
Can I nominate all four? They look good to me.-- Night s h i n e   R  23:24, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Multiple references to a page
I never paid much attention to family citations, but now when I checked a few, I noticed that many different references are for the same page of the same book. Shouldn't we use the same reference number for these cases? Helixtalk 17:23, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Petalfur- Silver Nomination
I've worked on her page and I think it's ready. I've cleaned up her Omen of The Stars section and thats all that is really neaded. Any citations needed? Γǻώή ςτόŗm  17:54, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Great job with the article! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 18:30, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Adderpaw- Silver Nomination
I think he's ready. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 18:29, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. His history is good.  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  18:59, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Afflictions Question
In the afflictions of a character on their profile, if they are known to be in StarClan/Place of No Stars, should we put what their affliction was before they died or whether they are in StarClan/Place of No Stars? Some pages have what the cat was in when he/she died, others do not.    E c h o  star   20:44, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

StarClan/Place of No Stars is not considered an affiliation per a past discussion. It shouldn't be listed in the Charcat. insane brick'd 20:47, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hollyleaf - Silver Nomination
She looks ready. → •Maple  fern•  ←  21:13, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hollyleaf's history could be expanded quite a bit, especially in The Sight. I don't think she's quite ready.    E c h o  star   13:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Redstar, Birchstar (RC), Swiftstar (WC), Skywatcher- Silver Nomination
These are all of the leaders (apart from Cloudstar), when SkyClan was driven out. I just revised their pages, now I think they're ready.

 E c h o  star   23:57, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * You don't have to nominate for bronze, and Dawnstar cannot be gold as she has neither been featured, or really has enough information in my honest opinion. I think that Redstar, Birchstar and Swiftstar are all major enough for silver, all have citations and their history looks good though. -- Sandy star 17:25, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll change that. Thanks, I didn't know that you could go right from started to silver.  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼ 
 * Okay, I'll change that. Thanks, I didn't know that you could go right from started to silver.  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼ 

18:58, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I added Skywatcher to the list, since I just modified him.  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  19:49, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Can you separate Skywatcher if you'd like to nominate him as well? It's one thing to group together related characters with very similar pages but don't throw another random character into the same nomination. insane brick'd 01:30, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Lionheart - Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate Lionheart's article. It looks OK for silver; his images should be renamed though. Helixtalk 05:09, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

The Bluestar's Prophecy section could be expanded dramatically.  ♦Echostar♦ Thank StarClan for greenleaf  ☼  13:56, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hawkfrost - Gold Nomination
Hawkfrost's article looks complete to me, there is really nothing more to add, and it was / is featured. Helixtalk 05:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Links to Browse Insides
I created this page to list links of Browse Insides (among other things), so you won't have to search for the Harper Collins page each time you wish to check something. I hope it will be useful. Kind regards, Helixtalk 05:50, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Speckle - Silver Nomination
All the citations are in place and her history is completed; I think she's ready for silver. -- Sandy star 10:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)