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Deputy Blanks - For Approval
having trouble with the tails :// 22:18 Sun Jan 24

I can give you a redline if youd like splook? Also the back legs feet are bothering me. Perhaps i can show you what would look best in the redline as well? 22:54, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Tip for the tails, most of the time a cats tail will curl away from their body or lie flat on the ground 23:09, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

I suck at explaining things, so here. I can't quite figure out how to explain how to fix the legs though, and I can't figure out a redline for it. idk 23:34, 01/24/2016

Make the hind paws thicker and the knees should be more well-rounded.

A few suggestions, feel free to ignore them.  17:51 Wed Jan 27 

the blanks are a little too small --Belllastar (talk) 00:21, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

No, they're not. o.o They're about the same size as many of the other blanks we have on here.

The necks look thin to me. However, only tweak it if you feel that you need to. — ☆ ﻿paper  ·  finches  ★  17:54, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

reuploaded. I did a whole new tail placement that was suggested. I think it's working for the shorthaired, but does the longhair look alright? 02:13 Sun Jan 31

It looks fine to me^^ but I think you can add some more tufts on the back of the tail?

The way the fur swoops up on the chest of the long-haired looks a little too cartoonish compared to the other blanks, at least in my opinion. Consider smoothing that out/making it more realistically fluffy, if that makes sense? It looks cool, don't get me wrong, I just don't think it fits the style of the other blanks. Jayie Unwritten words~ 23:08, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Could you add more "fur lines" on the long hair's tail?

Define the shoulder more and add some more to the lower jaw? 07:05, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

This isn't meant to rush you, but here's a reminder to upload the blanks! I know you're busy, but giving the section a nudge wouldn't hurt... I think. =P Given that you are not bound by the one-week upload limit, this is nothing other than a courtesy or something. I'd say "friendly reminder", but that's usually used in a mocking tone, and you know that's not what I mean.

reuploaded. my apologies with the delay. my new classes for the semester keep me busy on weeknights. 01:06 Sat Feb 6

Comments before approval? 08:40, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The gap between the hind leg and the hind foot reminds me too much of a rabbit... 09:10, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The curved line at the shoulder looks akward can I ask why it is there? 14:56, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

The hindlegs of both the short-haired and long-haired have different lengths to them. I suggest fixing them so they match?

I'm sorry for the massive nitpicky comment, but could you make the shoulder a bit wider, thin out the lines on the front toes some (and maybe shorten them),move the toe on the back foot backwards a tiny bit, move the far back leg forward a bit, make the close haunch attach to the leg a bit lower down, add a tiny bit more fluff to the bottom of the longhair's chest and haunch, make the far front foot a little wider, shorten the shorthair tail a tad, make the gap between the upper and lower whisker a bit wider and make the back of the heads attach to the neck a bit higher up (or the jaw a bit lower)? If you don't get what I mean, I'll gladly give a redline to show you. Most of this is optional.  16:01 Sat Feb 6 

It doesn't look like a rabbit, Sagestream, and if it does, can you please tell her what to do, instead of just telling her what you think it looks like? 19:32, February 6, 2016 (UTC)

A redline would be really helpful, Shinx :) Sometimes I get lost on what to do from just reading the text 19:34 Sat Feb 6

Alright, then i think maybe you should shorten the gap between the leg and the foot. it just looks a bit awkward. 02:58, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

I already said that Sage :P Anyway, hope this helps.  10:53 Sun Feb 7 

I think the tail could be raised a few pixels up on the back of the cat, and the neck needs to be thickened a bit ( http://prntscr.com/a1872f ), and the raised paw should be backed up a few pixels and made smaller. The tum could be dropped a pixel or two, and the ears made a bit neater. The longhair should probably have long fur all the way up to the chin too, as well as the shoulder being fuzzy. 23:45, 02/9/2016

reuploaded. thanks so much, i think they look a lot better now. 02:41 Tue Feb 16

Comments before approval? 03:59, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Add white to the chararts so they look like the other blanks. Great job! ^_^

Sorry for bothering you again but could you add a little bit more fluff to the bottom of the longhair's chest while you're at it? Just one or two lines will do.  16:58 Tue Feb 16 

Can I ask why the blanks have to be white? 17:29 16/2/16

It's just below the lineart, Velvet. All of the other blanks have that, so I don't see why these shouldn't. That can be added afterwards, though. And I said the same thing on Skype that I'm gonna say now, the feet are a bit too... flat, for lack of a better word. Using what Berry also said to me, a cat usually walks on their toes, so the only way they'd be completely flat is if they're sitting.

As I said on Skype, the picture Splook based this off has the cat in the exact same pose with her legs on the ground. In fact, my cats' legs are on the ground when she's asking for food in the same position. :/ 04:29, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

The back legs would be up in the air a little bit, as per Skye. Cats do in fact walk on their toesies. 12:47, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Also sorry foe edit spam but the whiskers that are going <== this way off the blank sre bothering me, since the other whiskers are flat against the side of the face. Basically get rid of those whiskers 12:49, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think the back legs are fine. I have seen my cat and if you google images of a cat you will find some in this position or with their feet in that position. Just because it's not common doesn't make it inaccurate. 21:03, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Exactly, Velvet. You bring up an amazing point. Anyways, here's a picture of the legs Splook used: They're not on their toes. Splook's legs are fine. 01:37, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

If someone would like to argue the opposite, may you please draw a redline and show me what it would look like if the legs were altered? 02:05 Thu Feb 18

No, you don't need to change it becuase it's fine. I provided proof that cats legs cna look like it and in general, they can. 02:06, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Hey now, chill. She asked for a redline to see what they'd look like, and there's nothing wrong with that. If she chooses to not do so after the redline is given, then that's fine. But since she did ask for one to support the argument against her, then I think she should be given one. (I can't redline, sorry)

I'm not particularly bothered what happens with the back legs, but is this what you guys had in mind?  15:18 Thu Feb 18 

I can do a redline later, but for now, I'd agree with what others are saying and say that something with the back legs needs to be changed. Yes, cats can lower themselves entirely on the "heel" of their leg (for lack of a better term). But the upper part of the leg would be more stretched out if that were the case, because if the rear is that high in the air, the leg needs to stretch out to compensate for the lower part of the leg being on the ground. You can see it in the picture Icy provided; yes, the lower leg is all on the ground, and you can see how the rear end doesn't appear to be low to the ground, but closer to even with the shoulders. But you can see how the "thigh" (I really don't know the proper words for cat anatomy) is stretch out, not rounded and curled up like drawn here, because it has to stretch out to account for the height lost from the lower leg being on the ground. I probably rambled too much and didn't explain myself very clearly, but I'll do a redline later that will hopefully make what I'm trying to say here clearer. ^^ That, or you could go the direction that Shinx is suggesting and take the lower leg off the ground entirely, so you can keep the bend to the upper leg. Jayie Unwritten words~ 21:51, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Almost a week later. XD http://www.ezimba.com/work/160224C/ezimba11244534222500.png Here's a redline for the legs/back. But I'm not sure I did it totally right. Splook, could you post a link to the full picture you used for a reference, by chance? It might help me figure out how to redline it better, if I can see how low down the back was and such. Anyway, if not, hope this helps. ^^ Jayie  Unwritten words~ 17:11, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

If I'm allowed to ask what's wrong with the old deputy blanks?— Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 17:12, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Anatomy issues, mostly. There was a vote on whether or not to redo them and it passed.  <span style="">17:44 Tue Feb 23 

Uhh... I've been thinking about trying to do some of the deputy poses, even though I'm just a kit, so now I'm wondering: are these blanks actually done? I'm having trouble telling XD --Warriorcat1195 (talk) 21:17, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Nope, they're still waiting for be approved.  <span style="">21:26 Wed Feb 24 

They aren't approved yet so /please/ don't rush her. She's also uploading it tonight anyways. 15:11, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'm gonna be "that person", but these really do need to be uploaded soon. She's only uploaded twice in February, and while I understand that life can be hell, only uploading twice in a 30 day period isn't quite the best thing. It's not fair to anyone to just have these sit without any activity. Sorry if this is coming off as rude, but I do have a job to do as leader.

reuploaded. Used Jayie's technique with the leg, hope it's fine.

Alright, I deeply apologize for the lack of uploads, but I am really busy. I am swamped with bookwork and studying every single night, and frankly, the wiki is the last thing on my mind at the moment. I know how eager you guys are to do art, and I'm sorry that it's taking this long, but I'm trying my best. I'm not trying to preach at how busy I am or whatever, nor am I defending myself for not uploading, but I'm really trying to cope with all my schoolwork, home things, and this responsibility. I'm working to get these approved, and I'm not going to give up, so please bare with me.

Once again, very sorry, and I'm trying my hardest to go in some sort of direction with the back leg. <span style="">01:53 Tue Mar 1

I'm sure I'll relate to you next year, and I'm scared. But aside from the hind leg being too flat (I wouldn't think that'd be a difficult) I think it looks perfectly fine. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 01:56, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by "too flat"? It's on the ground and she was using the examples the others gave her. 02:00, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to all of this conversation. I just read some of this, so, uh, nvm (shy chuckle)Warriorcat1195 (talk) 02:20, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

The angle of the lower leg is definitely better. :)Though the lower leg seems too thin now compared to the front legs. The hip is still too rounded - with how stretched out it is, it should be less filled out, and the line should be flatter. I can do another redline for the shorthair, but I show what I meant for that on the longhair redline. The belly line is too far up on both blanks; there isn't enough room to fit the cat's ribcage and belly. Lower it, and make it jut up less on the longhair, if that makes sense. Again, I show it in my redline, but I can redo it/do one for the shorthair/explain myself more clearly if you want. If it's possible, I would really like to see the image you used as a reference (the full image, not the partial image of the legs that Icy posted). It would really help if I could see what you were trying to reference to be able to explain my critiques. I hope that made sense... Jayie  Unwritten words~ 05:29, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

The back legs are not anatomically correct at all tbh. I sent you a redline on skype splook. Also remove the whiskers on the front of the muzzle they shouldnt be showing if the others are going backwards 23:01, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

I'm getting conflicting opinions on the back legs again. Which do I follow now? <span style="">23:53 Tue Mar 1

The redline jayie provided here, I think. The haunch is much thinner and closer to the bum and less round... That's how it'd be in a cat standing like this. In addition to that, the longhair's tail should look more like that at the top, as it looks unnatural rn. <span style="">00:22, 03/2/2016

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but it would make it a lot easier to show what I meant if you gave the link for your reference... I saw the partial picture Icy provided, and I was having trouble telling the position of the back and the other hind leg were from that partial shot. Jayie Unwritten words~ 03:50, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I believe this is the image you used as reference from looking at the picture Icy posted I found what I believe is it. 18:24, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Cinderpelt (Alt MC 3) ~ CBA
21:52, February 19, 2016 (UTC)

This should be lighter I think? The description for this alt is pale grey, and this looks just grey. Think something like Featherwhisker. Also, define earpink and smooth the shading on the chest. <span style="">21:55, 02/19/2016

Reups my bad 14:39, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading? 22:12, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Even it out too; it looks a lot darker on her face then the rest of her 22:14, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

Define the light source as well. please 22:43, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

the source is fine; it's coming from the left. 15:33, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Then why is there light on the right side of the cheek. 17:32, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

because cheeks stick out? it's been done before on other images and its perfectly acceptable. 18:13, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading on the lifted foot a little bit?  <span style="">18:28 Mon Feb 22 

lighten shading some its looks really really dark?— <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 17:13, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Could you either lighten the highlights on the tail or add some to the body? 04:58, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Still working, Sorrel?

Yes - it'll be up in a couple of hours 16:14, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Reups 21:56, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be defined and it looks blotchy. 22:44, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't look blotchy. Could use a tiny bit of definition, but other than that, I think it's fine.

Reups 13:45, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. It's a big difference between light and dark and it shouldn't be since she's solid pale gray. 13:20, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Reups 17:17, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Comments before approval? 12:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Mudfur (MC) - CBA
Prolly gonna redo that shading later :/  <span style="">15:17 Sun Feb 21 

Probably just me, but the mottles seem to be a tad lighter on his other images. Also, maybe add some more shading to the tip of the tail? It looks slightly flat.  ❄ Blossomstream White Christmas  13:08, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

reups The light is coming from above, so I don't think it makes sense for there to be shadows on the tip of the tail. Sorry :/  <span style="">23:33 Tue Feb 23 

Would there be darker facial shading, or would that be pretty light? I'm having some trouble seeing it, but I totally get if darkening it would contradict the source.

The facial shading is as dark as all the rest of the shading, but if you're having trouble seeing it (it's just a bit under the cheeks, on either side of the herbs) I can expand it a little to make it a bit more noticable.  <span style="">10:14 Thu Feb 25 

Would you please? My eyes are horrible, I'm sorry. This is a color that I've always had problems seeing shading on.

reups Better?  <span style="">11:41 Thu Feb 25 

Sorry if this comes across as impatient but uh. *prod*  <span style="">17:55 Sun Feb 28 

CBA?

Sorry but can you stretch the tail shading up so it reaches the tip of the tail? 18:54, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

it doesnt need to stretch up there. its coming from above. 19:02, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

As Shinx already explained, it's part of her source not to have shading there, so I'm continuing the CBA.

Echosong (MC) - For Evaluation
I noticed with the new medicine cat blanks, no one had done Echosong's, so I gave it a shot. What do you think? (keep in mind I'm still a kit, so don't expect it to look super duper good, but personally I think it came out well) Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:18, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm.... do I need more shading somewhere? Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:20, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

I fixed the heading for you. :) Also, remember to upload the image under this file: File:Echosong.mc.png. As for the image, add shading to the tail. Lighten and smudge the stripes a bit, and smudge the white on the chest. This is pretty good, though! 00:52, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Also, make the earpink less neon. Try picking from the earpink on one of her other images. 01:05, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Add more depth in the eyes 02:56, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Try to make the stripes more... squiggly (?) on the body to match her other images better. Also, the white could be expanded slightly on the chest, although that might just be me. nice! 09:43, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

darken tail, legs, and chest shading also add depth to them as well. — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 17:15, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Uhhh I only understood half of that. Also, I don't have the smudge tool. And before you ask, yes I have the newest update for paint.net--I updated it yesterday.

Also, thakns for fixing the heading. After I hit publish I stared at the others and I was like "uhh, was I supposed to make my heading like that?"

Just saying... does doing this make me an apprentice...? Warriorcat1195 (talk) 22:56, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Here, how about this? Does this look any better? Warriorcat1195 (talk) 23:19, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

You don't have to repost the image on the page every single time you change it. You just have to reupload it with the Upload page and then post the comment on here. You don't have to add it, the picture will be changed automatically after you upload. 23:31, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

Could you blur the White a bit more and next time you reupload put it in bold like I did there using around three apostrophes (') around ether side of the word. Hopefully this helped! 00:03, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Make the earpink a bit duller? It looks neon. ~Skiddley Riddley ♫ ♪ 00:19, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Weird, I didn't get any emails that you guys commented. Also, sorry, didn't know. And the old one is still there. Let me swap them out... Also there's something weird my computer, if I simply save it as a .png, the file isn't openable. I have to merge the layers, and I keep forgetting to save one as a .pdn and one as a .png. So, I don't have multiple layers at this point, so blurring will be crazy difficult. If anyone has any suggestions--or know any way I can get the smudge tool--it'd be greatly appreciated. Next time I'll have to remember to save it twice so I have a copy that's actually editable (is that a word?).Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:29, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

I know this has nothing to do with Echosong, but on my own wiki I'm making a dark brown tabby... do I use black for the stripes or a really really dark brown?Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:38, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

It's optional, you can do both.

PAINT.net doesn't really just give a smudge tool, it's a separate thing to get. I'll message you a link on getting the PAINT.net smudge tool when I track it down. Don't panic you are doing a lot better than before! :) 05:23, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded I figured out the smudge tool, but uh, I think I accidentally smudged the lineart a bit. But, how does it look? Warriorcat1195 (talk) 20:13, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

The stripes still need to be more zigzaggy and could stand to be blurred a lot more, check her other images for reference 04:51, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if I've previously stated this, but I can't make my computer automatically flatten the image by telling it to save as a .png. I need to merge the layers beforehand, so I currently don't have multiple layers. I have two options:

A: Make the stripes more zigzaggy and smudge them--a lot

B: Erase the stripes altogether and remake them on a different layer, then blur them a lot, and hope they don't look weird with the shading

I realize I should be saving it twice, once with layers and once without, but cut me some slack. Which option should I go with (I assume the answer is B but just checking) Warriorcat1195 (talk) 01:57, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

B would probably be easier. And I'm having trouble seeing the stripes through the shading. Try setting the shading on multiply if you can (I am not familiar with paint.net) and adjusting the opacity from there, and that should help with that issue. And there's waste by the tail tip. <span style="">02:40 Fri Feb 26

Alright, I can fix the stripes, but I don't know how to multiply the shading or whatever. So, uh, help? --Warriorcat1195 (talk) 21:47, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

On the shading layer, click on the that layer on the layer box and another layer box will come up. There's a text that says normal, click that and a list will come up. Just click on multiply and problem will be solved. :) Check the tutorial page, I made a full tutorial on layers on PAINT.net you can use. 22:26, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry, Stealth, I didn't get your response. So, how does this look? --Warriorcat1195 (talk) 23:26, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

May I suggest you make the shading black and then you adjust the opacity like Stealth said using multiply and layers. 08:59, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Lighten and smudge the stripes more. Also, please upload this under the name File:Echosong.mc.png and not any other file name. 20:26, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Alright the only reason I'm naming it like that is because I don't know any other way to do it. I don't know what you mean by "upload page" so I have to repost it under a different name each time. I truly am trying here, but I'm still new and young, so I'm going to need help, and probably a lot of it. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 12:50, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

No, it's fine, I was confused about this when I was new as well. When you get to the upload page and choose your file, make sure the "Destination filename" section has "Echosong.mc.png" in it, if not change it to this before you upload. You can upload images as the same name multiple times as long as the destination filename is the same each time you upload. Hope this was helpful! 13:21, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

By upload page do you mean the screen that pops up when you go to insert a picture? Also I'm rather pleased--I'm typing this on my phone! I didn't realize that worked! Warriorcat1195 (talk) 13:54, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

When you go to the upload page, it's that little button on the top of your screen that says "Contribute". Please try to upload on that rather than your phone. And tell me when you do because I'm going to have to delete all of your uploads until you have the most recent one on Echosong.mc.png. 17:39, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

The easy way is to click on the File:Echosong.mc.png then click file history then you scroll down to upload a new version of this file do so and your done and if it doesn't change on this page just remove one of the ] and put it back in so it reloads the image. Hope this helped. 21:30, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I think I know what you're saying, and I don't upload through my phone, just make a comment every now and then, like now when I'm just out of school. As soon as my chores are done I'll get on the computer, assuming mom's not using it. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 20:55, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

I still have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sorry but I don't see any buttons you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure I still don't understand "upload page". I did edit it but the only way I can figure out how to post it is to rename it and posted it in visual mode, not source mode. I'm also SO sorry I'm just now getting on. I hate to be a bother but is there any chance you could explain as though talking to a toddler....? Again I'm really sorry but I have no clue what you're saying. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:11, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Wait, I think I just figured it out. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:12, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Took me long enough but your words sounded like English! Now there's like, a bizillion more edits I need to make to the picture itself, right? Warriorcat1195 (talk) 00:17, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Just do what the others said, so here's what they said if it's too much to read: You were told to lighten and smudge the stripes some more, and you were suggesteed to use a black shading color in which that's honestly your choice. Check out some tutorials on the apprentice page for help. Obviously it's not catered towards Paint.Net specifically but they'll definitely give you a hand. 19:56, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Fox (DTC) (ES) ~ For Approval
10:18, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Personally I feel like you went overboard with shading but that could just be me. I am a kit, but it just seems like too much shading to me. Warriorcat1195 (talk) 20:21, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. Define the line on his left ear 21:19, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

The shading's very dark, it could stand to be lightened a little. Also could you smudge the texture a bit more?  <span style="">21:28 Wed Feb 24 

It could just be the shading, but his left (our right) eye looks more orange than the other, which is more yellow. <span style="">22:25 Wed Feb 24

Reuploaded Scar, I'm not sure what you mean, could you elaborate a little? And Maple, that was the shading, so I lightened it a bit :P 04:49, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

I think she may have meant 'light', not 'line'. In any case, I do think the light could be defined a bit in --> ear anyways, as I can't even see there's ear pink at all.

Reuploaded 05:05, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Wasn't this charart already done before? Unless I'm missing something, it was just never added to his page. 17:29, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

They were all withdrawn or declined, I think 21:56, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, okay. You're right, I didn't see that. ^^ Could you define the eye depth in the eye farthest from us just a tad? 21:58, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded 08:41, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Define the light? I can see your light source, but I can't see the highlights vs the shading in most spots. Smooth that trasition from light to dark on the back, too. <span style="">22:49, 03/1/2016

Reuploaded 05:46, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Blur/smudge the highlight on the tail and shoulder some, and expand the shading on the haunch a little? And could you perhaps put a highlight in >> eye? Feel free to ignore this one though, eye styles are artist's choice.  <span style="">11:39 Wed Mar 2 

Reuploaded 04:58, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Molepelt (MC) - CBA
<span style="">15:53, 02/24/2016

Define the overall shading slightly  10:47, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Reuploaded <span style="">20:49, 02/29/2016

CBA?

Cinderpelt (Alt. MC) - CBA
21:18, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs please  <span style="">15:25 Thu Feb 25 

Re-uploaded 09:06, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

CBA?

Brambleberry (MC) - CBA
I will very happily surrender this to Ivy, should he ask for it.

Could you define the shading everywhere but the tail just a bit, please?  <span style="">10:33 Thu Feb 25 

Re-uploaded.

smudge the spots a lil more — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:12, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Define the light source on the tail? 23:06, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Is that shading on the right side of the chest? It looks a bit dark, considering the light is coming from that direction, I think. Jayie Unwritten words~ 22:32, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.

Can you erase some smudges that are connected as black lines? It's up to you but it kinda bothers me a little :/ very nice btw^^

I don't get it. o.O The other images are smudged as well...

This may be a better way to say it? if you look at the StarClan image, some spots are big round dots, but most of them are just tiny points. And I don't think they're as... black as this version?

Re-uploaded. I tried. Nah, they are... you have to keep in mind that my white is also brighter on this image than it is on the MC/StarClan image. (not changing it, don't ask me to) So that probably might be the issue.

Comments before approval? 12:31, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hawkheart (MC Alt 3) - CBA
damn I remember when I originally posted this in '13, then it got taken over by Hawky. <span style="">17:48, 02/25/2016

Define the depth of the shading.

Define the light on the tail and lifted paw? It could be my eyes (probably is), but it's hard to distinguish. Feel free to ignore this though if it really is my eyes and you feel it is fine. This is gorgeous, btw <span style="">02:33 Fri Feb 26

Reup. Thank you<3 <span style="">20:38, 02/29/2016

Comments before approval? 19:54, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Kestrelflight (MC) ~ For Approval
vitiligo cat 21:52, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Expand the shading 22:57, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Define it too <span style="">22:09, 02/28/2016

reuploaded 17:56, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Define the tail shading a tad?  <span style="">11:25 Wed Mar 2 

Chiveclaw (MC) ~ For Evaluation
I think I posted this too late, I'm not sure. 15:48, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

re-ups Added some lighter streaks to the texture, I picked a color that was too dark before. 16:00, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

could you define the left ear pink a tiny bit, I can't belive that your still a kit! this image is beautiful!! 12:21, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Expand the shading on the front side of the tummy up a little bit, to the shoulder, and expand the chest shading so the upper part of it reaches to below the herbs, so it's connecting with the chin. Add some shading to the ear on our right to give that side of the face more depth. Define the shading on the hind leg closest to us, and the tail, so the darkness on the body shading is the same as the facial shading. This is glorious, I'll notify a senior member to look at this and to have you moved to be an apprentice, you clearly know exactly what you're doing. Nicely done. <span style="">20:44, 02/29/2016

Firefern (W) - For Approval
Little ball of fiery fur! 00:11, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Wow, Velvet, this is amazing! Do you mind blurring the edges of the shading, if I'm making any sense? Also I don't think there should be s hading on his stomach, but that's just me. This is awesome. 01:04, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Reups thanks icy :) 08:03, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

She should have more stripes, this looks a little bare compared to the kit image. The stripes could also be smudged a little so they're a tiiiiny bit softer. I love ginger tabbies *-* <span style="">20:46, 02/29/2016

Smooth out the shading, and I actually think the stripes should be blurred a bit, not smudged. They don't look smudged at all on the kit.

Reups smoothed shading and blurred stripes but I don't think I can add any more stripes. 23:36, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

There are more stripes that curve from the shoulder/upper back toward the chest on the kit. Try making them closer together and adding more, with the kit open and floating where you can see it. That should make matching it easier. <span style="">18:30 Wed Mar 2

Reups added more stripes! 20:46, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Runningnose (MC) - For Approval
sorry for the lack of work with the last reupload, i got really busy and forgot about the wiki in it's entirety. <span style="">01:56 Tue Mar 1

Define the depth of the shading every but the base of the tail. That should also help define it as a whole without it looking too dark/flat. very precious <span style="">22:44, 03/1/2016

Cinderheart (MC) ~ For Approval
ruined 04:05, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

could you color in the berries they aren't suppose to be white fam — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 16:51, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I left them white on purpose. 17:02, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

reuploaded adjusted some shading that was bugging me 17:33, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Mudfur (MC alt.) ~ For Approval
— <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 18:35, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Blur and smooth out the shading. 19:58, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Define the shading on the back legs and I don't believe the original image has texture. 20:40, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Since it's the only one in the set (considering the alt as a different set from the main images since they have completely different patterns), it doesn't have to match anything. Just so long as it fits the description, which it does, Mink can put texture on.  <span style="">20:45 Tue Mar 1 

Given that it's matching something from the graphic novel, and those don't have texture, I think she should remove it.

I'd have to tweak this in that case... That was from a graphic novel. <span style="">22:46, 03/1/2016

can you sharpen the marks on the head, they look like highlights. 14:01, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

for now, I think I'm gonna keep the texture. — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 15:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

No, remove it. Thunderstar should be tweaked as well. If he's not shown visibly with texture he doesn't get any. 19:53, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

If I could ask why texture can't be on a char, not trying to start an argument or anything. But texture makes an image look better. — <font face="Vivaldi" size="1" color="#08088A>Minkclaw River is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 21:39, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

If they aren't shown with it then they shouldn't get it also can you define the shading on the berries and leaves please. 21:48, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Well technically if they're not shown without it they can still get it, but in this case, this cat was shown in the magna without any texture so he shouldn't have any. Please remove it. 04:50, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Larkwing (FQ) (MC alt) ~ For Approval
The old pattern was really cool but it was dark grey. pretty sure this is supposed to be regular grey.  <span style="">20:27 Tue Mar 1 

Shade is artist's choice if one isn't specified, actually. Not sure who keeps saying it should be more of a neutral gray... but that's not a rule.

Wait, really? I remember when I was making Stormcloud's images I originally wanted him to be paler but I was told he had to have a neutral shade. Can't remember who said that though. Nice to know. I might play around with the colors here then. Thanks.  <span style="">23:03 Tue Mar 1 

this one's a lot nicer kept the pattern though  <span style="">23:22 Tue Mar 1 

Rileypaw (KP) ~ For Approval
Gimp's finally working 15:33, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Could you define the lighter parts on the face, chest and paws. This is lovely! 18:29, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

you can't even see his chest from this side? also darken the stripes just a little. 18:40, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

He has a lighter muzzle, throat, chest, underbelly, and paws 19:12, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Re-ups Thanks c: 19:36, March 2, 2016 (UTC)