Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Finpaw and Sandynose
We tweaked everything to match, didn't we (Sparkpelt, Jake, etc.)? In that case would Finpaw apply? Wasn't he described to look exactly like his father? Would he need tabby stripes to look identical to his father, in that case?

Twigbranch is said to be identical to Hawkwing, but it was decided she wasn't going to be given stripes. Idk if it's the same case w Fin and Sandy. 05:09, 6/09/2018

The difference here is that he was never explicitly described as a tabby, so the most we can do for now is give him identical coloring. If he's mentioned as a tabby, then he'd get the same stripes as his dad.

Alright, but what about Spottedpelt? Since she was described as resembling Spottedleaf her white chest was kept despite her not being described as having one. Isn't this the exact same situation?

pretty sure it was owing to the "striking resemblance", basically saying she looks extremely hauntingly similar. imo if it's deemed not needed, it should jut be deliuted to an off white, likes been done with other torties. as for fin and sandy, the same colours should apply, and perhaps the ginger legs stripes should be the same too, at the very least? fin wouldn't have to be a tabby and they'd match in everything except body stripes. 19:00, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. Though speaking of Spottedpelt I'd like to bring up Gorseclaw (TC), who doesn't seem to match Tigerstar in terms of colors or stripes even though he is said to look strikingly similar to him, just like Spottedpelt. For Finpaw if I remember the artist matched the colors from Sandynose but I'm not sure.

yeah I couldprobably agree with that. it would't have to be identical but it probably should be the same colour and stripe style. 00:53, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for posting again, but I want to bring attention to Raggedstar and Hal, which Broken brought up on the approval page. The cite says they look exactly the same, yet their stripe style, colors and pelt length don't hold true to that (unless I'm blind or missing something). I think one should be tweaked/redone to reflect that, because in the end it's a book cite. What are your thoughts on this?

You're not blind^^ Hal's stripes are different than Raggedstar's, like on the head, and overall. It's hard to say about their color, but if it needs to be redone for matching stripes etc. Then I'm fine with that, just a little hesitant about changing the pelt length. 13:57, 6/11/2018

Well we were going by "If they look exactly the same, tweak them to match" so Hal would call for a tweak, at least to make his colors and stripes match Raggedstar's. Pelt length, not sure. I don't remember if he was listed with a speific pelt length.

I don't think Finleap would need tabby stripes, as I don't recall him ever being mentioned with stripes (such as what we did for Hawkwing and Twigbranch)

19:47, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Finpaw does not get tabby stripes due to him not being called a tabby. The only part of him that might get tabby stripes are his legs... but other than that? No stripes, and we should be following the same rule as Hawkwing/Twigbranch. (  19:50, 6/11/2018  ) ​ (  19:50, 6/11/2018  ) ​ (  19:50, 6/11/2018  ) ​ (  19:50, 6/11/2018  ) ​ (  19:50, 6/11/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​

I agree with Skye^^ I don't think a cat's pelt length needs to match if they have look alike cites, personally, but if we do end up changing that gonna throw in that it also affects Honey Pelt

I guess we can all agree that Finpaw/Twigpaw shouldn't get tabby stripes. If this is the case, can I have more input on Spottedpelt for a consensus? She was described to look similar to Spottedleaf but she has a white chest despite not being cited with it (I think striking resemblance =/= identical, imo). And regarding Honey Pelt, he is said to "just look like" his father I believe, so I think his pelt length won't need to be changed because it doesn't mean "identical". Personally I believe that if two cats are said to be identical, this would include pelt length as well. If one cat is short haired while the other is long haired would they still be called "exactly the same"?

I'd imagine if she wasn't described with a white chest, she wouldn't get one, since this is basically the same thing as Finpaw's stripe case. I do agree with what you said, if two cats are said to be identical, they'd look the same, even pelt length, and also gonna agree with Honey Pelt's pelt length not being changed.

13:55, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

Gonna be the unpopular one here, but I feel due to Spottedpelt's striking resemblance to Spottedleaf, who is cited with white, we should make an exception and keep the white for this instance. While we don't typically do that, I feel that they were trying to make a point that Spottedpelt and Spottedleaf are almost exactly the same. I also don't think pelt length should be tweaked to match unless one of them has a cited pelt length (whichever one does would mean the opposite gets tweaked, I'd say). Other than that, you can have cats that look alike, but still have shorter fur than one another. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#000000; font-size:85%">06:53, 6/16/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#000000; font-size:85%">06:53, 6/16/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#000000; font-size:85%">06:53, 6/16/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#000000; font-size:85%">06:53, 6/16/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​ <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">(  <span style="font-family:century gothic; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.0em 0.0em 0.2em; color:#000000; font-size:85%">06:53, 6/16/2018  <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; text-shadow:#0c28cf 0.1em 0.1em 0.3em; color:#000000; font-size:86%">) ​

Well if that is the case, would you agree that the same standards should apply to Gorseclaw and Finpaw (meaning, he would have Tigerstar's stripe style, pale parts etc. Of course Gorseclaw wasn't cited with mackerel stripes, but if you agree that Spottedpelt should get a white chest then this should also be the case, because it's what makes them exactly the same. And according to Finleap's trivia, he looks exactly like his father, which seems to imply that they look the same, not just similar. So I believe that this is the same case, unless of course the trivia isn't what the book really said)? And of course if they're just similar, pelt length can be varied. I'm trying to argue that if they're exactly the same (identical), then their pelt lengths should be the same. If one is short furred and the other isn't, can you call them identical?

And I'd like to add that Hawkwing and Twigpaw are just said to look a lot like each other, not identical. So I agree that Twigpaw shouldn't get stripes. However, Finleap is said to look exactly the same as his father, which seems to derive into "identical". If we end up keeping Spottedpelt's white chest, this should be the same case too.

Anymore input on this?

I agree with all of the statements above! They should match, but Finpaw shouldn't be a tabby unless stated otherwise. Ravenpaw99 (talk) 21:54, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

I dunno... I'm still unconvinced that Finpaw shouldn't be a tabby. It'd be sort of a double standard if we kept Spottedpelt's white but didn't give Finpaw stripes, because Finpaw is described to look "exactly the same" as his dad, which should imply "identical".

Redoing cave-guard and to-bes
Hi, sorry, but the cave guard and to-be blanks have major anatomy issues and I am suggesting a redo for those.

10:54, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. The to-be's have more issues than the cave guards honestly, didn't we decide on discord the cave guards would have more of a "tweak", fixing up anatomy errors, but in general keeping the same pose? I don't remember, but either way, I'm still in favor of this.

13:09, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with both^^ I think the general pose of the caves guard could be kept, but redo it to fix anatomy + since it does happen to be up style the fur and such aesthetically

I think both just need minor tweaks, really. Neither really have more issues than the warriors blanks. The to-be looks mostly fine - the near hind leg could use some adjustments, and the tail and lineart in general needs smoothed out but otherwise it looks good. Cave-guard just needs smoother lineart and the tail fixed. I don't think they need to be redone: someone could probably do either with the same file. <span style="">21:33 Tue Jun 19 2018

Agree with Raelic, the anatomy of those doesn't seem that bad compared to the anatomy of the warrior blanks, and they shouldn't be completely redone

Agreeing with Raelic to tweak them. 20:56, June 21, 2018 (UTC)

Any comments before I put up a vote on agreeing to tweak or redo the cave guard and to-be blanks?

21:53, June 21, 2018 (UTC) Here is the forum.

01:48, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

Request
May I join? And also can you make some templates where the white is actually transparent, but the shading grays are the same? Bc I use FireAlpaca, and for me to do color templates with shading I need the white to be transparent. Peacewielder the NightWing 1 (talk) 05:43, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Sure, and I'll add you as a kit. Make sure to read the guidelines! And I use Firealpaca, too. Just erase the white using the magic wand tool. ^^ 05:50, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

How do you erase it?? Peacewielder the NightWing 1 (talk) 07:06, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Join Request
Can I join the character art project?

Owlbite

Sure! Make sure to read the guidelines. I’ll add you in as a kit. 22:58, August 12, 2018 (UTC)

Spotedleaf
Spoteedleaf is known to be a tortoiseshell, but I found (in quotes,) that,  '"Tortoiseshell" is typically reserved for particolored cats with relatively small or no white markings.', but Spotedleaf in her art, has alot of white, can I have clarifacation. If no clarifacation can be found as fact, than I think it might be helpfull to change the art for people like me, who care to much about relistic desine, thank you. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

spottedleaf is cited as a tortoiseshell in every appearance she's in. it's not being changed for the sake of realism, which warriors has little of to begin with. 20:36, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

than you fot clarifying. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

apologies if that sonded rude, but we just have to use what's said, that's all. 20:41, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

Dovewing
Per discussion on PC, it is a possibility that Dovewing's description may be changed to "blue or green" eyes. If that is the case, what shall we do with Dovewing's charart? Do we keep her eyes blue? I am not in favor of changing one eye to blue or one eye to green. I feel as if it should still be kept blue, as that is how it always was. 04:47, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

You could find a way to work with the pixels so that it's a blend of blue & green maybe? Something kinda like this. Not the best example but there could be a way to blend the colours and make them appear to face into one another in her chararts. --Echo (Talk) 05:09, August 14, 2018 (UTC)