Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

My New Member Rank
Hey, I don't mean to rush..But since the vote for the different path for a kit to become an apprentice-apprentice to warrior thing passed, I have been contantly active on the project. So does that mean I should be ranked up to a warrior now? 23:54, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I'd been meaning to bring something up, but I'd actually forgotten about it, and was really busy as of late. This is not directed at you, but.... I actually do not feel comfortable with a user who has not gotten an image approved (for whatever reason, especially the one month limit, since the limits for tweaks and redos are even less) being allowed to tweak images. Making charart requests is one thing, but.. I really don't think that someone who's obtained the rank of warrior this way, without having anything approved, should be allowed to edit an image that was not originally theirs, since we don't know the full potential. I have no problems with them becoming warriors, but it's the tweaking aspect of it that does not sit well with me. I do apologize, but I honestly think that if someone doesn't have at least one image approved, they shouldn't be allowed to tweak an image.

Okay, but what if you're in my circumstance where I've finished an image, but not the current given number? And also, no offense Snow (the newest user on the block! lol) but keep in mind we did have a vote on this, and it did pass. I'd say an assessment image for those without a complete image might work- maybe? 06:42 Wed Oct 9

And the very definition of warrior status is built off the concept of tweaks: being able to tweak and vote. So, if warrior status means just a name on a screen and nothing besides, I really don't see the point of the alternate route besides easy-access promotions for new users- which, of course is the opposite of what we're truying to do here. No offense, and no personal attack intentions here, but... yeah. 06:46 Wed Oct 9

Uh, if you're talking about me, I'm the PCA deputy??????? I just got a username change???? I'm not new???? Anyways, I am well aware there was a vote? I said I had been meaning to bring it up, but hadn't gotten around to bringing it up, since I've been /sick/ and busy with work the past couple of weeks... And I'm not sure if an assessment image would work? Would it still be just as strictly critiqued as a "normal" PCA image, or something like that? o.O

Lol, I was joking about having to call you a new nickname!!!!!! ;[ Sorry!!!! Anyways, I meant that (no offense) your say is not community consensus. yeah maybe we could do another vote once we solidify things. And I'm assuming we'd critique it like a normal PCA image, as that's how they would learn what's acceptable. but looking over it again, I don't think that'd work out too well because where'd we put the image? And I /do/ agree that while critiquing others does help you be a better artist, but I know a few artists that (not mentioning names) have stuck around for a while and still have quite a bit to learn... Perhaps including myself X3 hope you feel better snowy 07:17 Wed Oct 9

Uhh, I never said that my say was community consensus? I never even implied that? I don't actually get where you're coming from with that, and if you're accusing me of something, I'd appreciate it if you don't. I know there was a vote, and I voted on it. There was just something else that I'd thought of and completely didn't mention, when I should have earlier, and now that Raven's posted, it jolted my memory into saying something.

Also, everyone has more to learn. No one's perfect here (no matter how good they are at art or anatomy, there's always something more to learn from making images and blanks and such), and that's why we critique images...while someone has the right to reject a critique, saying "it's fine" and that's it, seems to be a little more on the lazy side, and that brings me to another discussion which I'll probably start in the morning.

Anyways, my point is, that I honestly don't think someone who hasn't gotten at least one image approved, regardless of their progress on said images, should be allowed to tweak. As long as they have at least one image approved, as you do, I wouldn't be against letting you tweak an image. I just would rather not someone who hasn't gotten one of their own approved edit an already approved one, since they might not know what they're getting into. Sometimes, people have brought /other/ things to light when tweaking an image, like say, defining the shading more, on something that only needed a grayscale change, or a ripped ear, or ragged fur. Or maybe adding tabby stripes due to someone finding a cite in the process of an image being tweaked. The possibilities are actually quite endless and could happen more frequently than you think.

I understand your point. Would it make you feel better if I promised not to tweak an image until I've had one image approved? Or should I make you an image at my best? Or maybe you could get more people to comment on Blizzardpaw, since I'm so bored and my deadline is coming up. ._. 20:28, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ask on chat, as you can't force people to comment. You'll probably get a reply faster via chat. 20:30, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I cannot force people to comment on your image, Raven. And don't harass others on chat to comment. One "can I ask for comments?" is fine, and you've already done that on your image. If you want to make an image, fine, but I'm /not/ promising that it will count, since this isn't even official or anything like that. I also can't decide what should be done in cases where someone hasn't gotten an image approved. It's not up to me, and it was only a suggestion. If someone disagrees with me, they should speak up, and perhaps we can get this discussion off the ground?

Why do you think I am accusing you of something? It was just a reminder that others need to agree first. I'm sorry, I should have been more detailed and elaborated on the fact that I don't think we should cancel unless others agree, but I specifically stated earlier that I had no intention of personally attacking anyone.. So please just quit assuming bad faith.

Anyways, I'm guessing the "promo art" probably wouldn't work out, but I was thinking, maybe kits only should be moved up via 3-week rule, and then after an apprentice is past 3 weeks of apprenticeship without images approved they should have first dibs on an image for say, 24 hours would be "3-week apprenticeship selection"? After the 24-hours expires, all other members would be valid to pick up the image.

However, this would be kind of limiting the project so... What do you guys think? Good or bad? 23:17 Wed Oct 9

I'm not assuming bad faith, so don't accuse me of such ._.;; I said it was a suggestion, and one that I should have brought up earlier, but I was busy and forgot, hence why I'm saying it now. I never once said that was I said was set in stone. Saying that I don't feel comfortable with people tweaking other images when they can't even get their own approved is an opinion I am entitled to, and I'll voice it if I please. I know that others need to agree??? I've been here almost four and half years, and community consensus was one of the very first things I was introduced to on this wiki. And yes, it might limit the project, but having inexperienced users working on images might not be such a good idea if you really think about it...and I'm starting to regret voting yes on that.

Like Cloudy, I agree that there should be no exceptions to the ranking up or anything. And as I have said before, getting an image approved is almost just getting you ready for tweaking - practice, for better words.

Though I do agree with the 24-hour apprentice idea. It would be helpful to the new members of the project, and actually give them a chance to move up in rank and continue on with more duties within the project. 19:47, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

(This may be a bit late; this is referring to Raven's most recent comment) Raven if you're bored about it waiting for comments try study the image yourself for improvement. I did it with Fuzzypelt's appy image several times. See anything to improve; try spy out rogue waste, have a look if the eye depth needs defining, if the shading needs defining or see if a different tint would match it to other images. (Of course tinting depends) Anthing minor could effect the timing it gets CBA'd - approved. 20:36, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sorrel, I'll do that. And I'm sorry guys, I didn't mean to start an argument if I did.. 15:05, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to comment again soon but I felt like first I need to say something: What about my case? Sorry for sounding selfish or impatient, but I've completed an image. But since I took an absence for like 2 weeks I guess I wouldn't be eligible at the moment but like, in a couple weeks would I be moved up or would I need to snag a few more images? Just wondering for the moment... 22:59 Fri Oct 11

Well, if we'd do what I suggested, then you'd be fine to tweak, and you've already had an image approved. My thing is only against people who've gotten up to the rank of warrior without getting a single image approved, whether it be because there haven't been any, or it got declined or there were other circumstances that prevented an image from being approved. I seriously have no idea what exactly's going on with the whole ranking thing, and what's active to some might not be active to others.

I didn't agree with the three week stuff on that recent vote, and in my opinion, Someone who hasn't had an image approved really shouldn't be eligible to tweak, as it is usually harder. However, I think that an assessment image could be a good idea, as Cloudy mentioned, or simply maybe bump the requirements to at least one image approved?

Agreeing with Stoner. When you're an apprentice, getting three images approved sounds like it will take, well, forever. Especially now, with no images to do, apart from when you find something in Tallstar's Revenge that requires an alt. So yeah. That probably doesn't make sense. &#9786;      Ⓐ   Ⓜ  Ⓑ  Ⓔ  Ⓡ    Ⓢ Ⓗ Ⓘ  Ⓝ  Ⓔ    Hope  comes  with  FLYING OREOS 11:28 Sun Oct 13

Well, I just want to say kits should still be able to promote after 3 weeks because after looking at other people's comments on layers and stuff should give them info on how to make an image.

Anyways, I don't think the assessment image would work out because there wouldn't be any place to put them, and even if we did create a whole seperate page to put them it would create unnecessary uploads. The 24 hour thing would go like, there would be a new subrank between apprentices/warriors like, "assessment stage" or something where after an image is declined/withdrawn only they can pick up images. And then if 24 hours passes and no one picks it up then everyone could pick it up (including the assessment-stagers).

Also, may I pick up an image to tweak from the list? I'm not listed as a warrior yet so I figured I might as well ask, to avoid the trouble of misunderstanding. 02:54 Mon Oct 14

Looking at other images and making them are two completely different things. Just because you can look at one doesn't mean you can make one. x.x Also, I still think that the promotion should be paused until the issue I presented has been solved. Users who are inexperienced in making the art should not be tweaking others.

Anyways, I was thinking up a few ideas:
 * 1) the 24-hour apprentice rule (which has my favor)
 * 2) the assessment image
 * 3) a rule where an apprentice is paired with a mentor and is given a random image off the tweak list to tweak, and would work with them to make it acceptable. They would then proceed to sharihg with the leader and deputy, and if they approve as, say, 90% acceptable then it would count for one. they would have to repeat this process 3 times. it promotes the mentor program, but again it might overload the leader and deputy. Similar to the assessment image, but it includes preparartion for tweaking as well as does not overload the project as a whole, rather focusing on SW-to-apprentice bonding (which i think is really lacking in the project).

Feel free to edit the list. This list is totally not limited to just these ideas. in fact, i encourage it :) -- 02:39 Wed Oct 23

Alright so I don't have time to read through this, but scanning through it seems like nobody's mentioned it so I wanna go ahead an suggest it. Why not simply add a new requirement to tweaking/redoing images? That you have to have at least one image approved to do so. It honestly wouldn't be hard to track, and seems fair enough to the new warriors. I haven't been active enough to keep track, but I believe warriors can vote now, so they will still have new privileges as a warrior, just not tweaking unless they've had an image approved. I honestly think it'd be much much simpler than any of the other options.

Excuse me if I'm misunderstood the problem or anything, or this has been mentioned, like I said, I can't read through this all right now.

Yes, that's a wonderful idea, and I'd be more than willing to go along with that. I just want them to have some experience with their own images before they touch someone else's. Warriors are allowed to vote now, yes, and I'd feel a lot more comfortable with them tweaking images if they've already gotten experience in the project. Making a personal image for someone as opposed to something that is critiqued and approved are two different things. With Paleh's idea, it's quite simple, and makes sure that a warrior has the experience that they should have gotten as a kit or apprentice.

Yeah, this sounds great 👍 10:27 Thu Nov 7

Any other comments, guys? I kinda want to do something with this.

Queen Blanks
Okay, so on the approval page the queen blanks recently got declined. The majority of the project is leaning toward letting Paleh take over, but I'd like to see the opinions of everyone to make this more of a well-thought, joint decision rather than hasty permission. Do you think Paleh should take over, or we should have another vote, or something? 02:28 Wed Oct 23

The leads already got together and discussed and chose Paleh to take them over, since she was the one to get the second-highest amount of votes in the initial forum. Kelpsey, you aren't a lead, so it isn't up to you to make forums like this. We've already taken care of it, and it's done and over. 02:31, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

But do you mind giving the lower groups some representation too? I'm personally neutral on the topic, but I do believe the decision should not be exclusive to the leads only. I know I can't set up forums. It was just a suggestion. 02:41 Wed Oct 23

The lower groups had their representation when we all voted on the blanks a few months back. Berry got the most amount of votes, and Paleh came in second. When Berry couldn't finish the blanks and they were declined, Paleh, as the runner-up, gets the blanks. This was namely decided by your deputy and leader, who in the end have the final say, despite what the lower ranks might want.

Besides, just having an artist we know can handle a set of blanks and who was in favor of the project a few months back just take them over is easier than trying to start a discussion about this. Would you and others simply be content with having her do it? I don't believe we need anymore representation than what was already given on the initial forum. 02:44, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Just thought I'd also point out that's it's not like the leads made a decision such as "Yes Paleh would be good to take over" and just left it at that. The decision was, to my knowledge at least, that the blanks new artist would be decided by the same vote that decided the original artist, by picking the runner up. And that just happened to be me. Just wanted to clarify in case anybody misunderstood, just that so it doesn't seem biased or anything. o3o

Discussion is here for your reading pleasure and that's the consensus we're going with. And please, for the love of all that is good, don't turn everything into a massive drama fest like I swear you are literally filling in pixel blanks of cats seriously calm down. This is the system we've been running of for ages and not everything requires a whole vote and fireworks and a parade to get something done this site is just for fun I hope that sinks in for y'all. 3:54 Wed Oct 23 2013

Breezey I love you omg. Anyways. Scarlet and I suggested Paleh, since in fact, she is the runner up for the queen blanks. Flat out, it's the only fair way to ensure that she get her chance. We're not being biased or anything of the sort. We specifically called in Paleh for that reason. There isn't any representation needed; she was runner up on the vote, and since they were declined, it's her turn. If she doesn't get them done, then you can start all that, but for now, it's Paleh's turn. Scarlet and I decided jointly on this, and that's pretty much how it'll go.

I was wondering if i could become an apprentice? Brightpatch (talk) 20:17, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

"The leads already got together and discussed and chose Paleh to take them over, since she was the one to get the second-highest amount of votes in the initial forum. Kelpsey, you aren't a lead, so it isn't up to you to make forums like this. We've already taken care of it, and it's done and over."

...Excuse me? Are you seriously putting down Kelpsey just because she's /not a lead/? Leads aren't the only part of the project, you know. Don't you ever put down someone because they're not a lead. It's not just the leads who make up the decisions. Everyone should have a say. I don't even know what to say because right now, I'm completely shocked that you just brushed off another user because you're a lead. Seriously? What kind of respect is that? 01:32, October 26, 2013 (UTC)

If members (of any rank) want to have a discussion about who we should hand the blanks over to, we should. That only seems fair to the rest of the project.

But, may I ask, does anyone else have support over this discussion taking part? We should at least have a few more users who want to vote differently before we make a discussion out of it. If we do not have enough members that agree with Kelpsey, though, I believe the blanks should remain with Paleh. 00:14, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

Well, in my honest opinion, the queen blanks are coming along very nicely, so I think Paleh should keep them. 2:19 Mon Nov 4

As do I, Hawk. And Icy, we didn't brush anyone off, honestly. We hadn't gotten a chance to announce why we'd chosen Paleh, or that we had, before the gun was jumped and we got accused of not giving the lower groups some representation. We did give them that choice, when we voted on the queen blanks. Berry won that, and Paleh came in second. This is about as fair as fair can be, imho. Why would we revote, when we'd already had a more than acceptable, and stellar pose? Everyone had their fair chance back when we initially decided to tweak/redo the blanks, and that's that. To have the discussion, set up another vote, allow for nominees, and then vote, would take way too long and seems to be majorly counterproductive.

Scarlet and I discussed this a while back, actually, before the blanks were even declined. The decision was a joint one, and it appears to be one the project is more than acceptable with.

No, I honestly feel completely brushed off. I set up this because I felt that maybe we should have a vote or something, and it was merely an idea. The majority didn't agree with me, and that's okay. What really sets me off is how I was declined because "the leads already got together and I'm not a lead so I can't say anything against it". We may not have all the opportunities leads have, but we are users, and we should be able to voice our opinion. When older members complain that newer users don't voice our opinion, before saying we need to step it up, please look back at how we're treated when we actually voice our opinion.

I'd just like to clarify that I get why we shouldn't have a vote- we had an open talk page conversation, and it's a little late to revote, and plus- have you seen how wonderful those blanks are? I'm definitely cool with paleh keeping the blanks. 10:21 Thu Nov 7

Kelpsey, we honestly weren't looking to brush anyone off. It's just that the queen blanks have been on question for so long, it was time to just step in and make a decision to get them done already. The project has been waiting for the blanks since midsummer. It was time for the wait to over and work to continue. 14:47, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-join?
Is it possible for me to rejoin?

Thank you,

Fez  12:34, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Skyheart Alt. Kit?
I was looking at Skyheart's page when I realized something; there was a part in Crookedstar's Promise, just after she was born, it was commented that she was as brown as her father, but she is light brown, while he is dark brown. Since that's two shades off, shouldn't she get an alt. for (indirectly) being called dark brown? If you want a cite, it's on page 248 of Crookedstar's Promise. 20:16, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

How do nonmembers reserve images?
Hello PCA, I'm planning on making an image or two for The Ultimate Guide and Thunder Rising's characters, so how do I go about reeserving an image if I'm not a member? Emberpoppy7 (talk) 01:47, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Several New Images
I got The Ultimate Guide yesterday, and found several possible images in there. Rusty is described with a red pelt on page 5, Hal is called a rogue on page 61, Pinestar is called ginger, and then red on page 92,  Heathertail is shown as being ginger on page 112 (I know she got an alt. for that same image, but she was an apprentice then and is a warrior now),  Briarlight is shown without her broken back on page 48,  Raggedstar is shown without his ragged pelt on page 60, and Mapleshade is mentioned as an apprentice on page 120. 22:42, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I found another one;  Tallpoppy is shown in StarClan on page 96 (unsure about this one, as she is alive in The Last Hope). 23:04, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ooh, this is cool. I got The Ultimate Guide also and I to found the same things. Also, with some users claiming characters for Thunder Rising and some of them didn't, I don't think it would be fair for the ones who didn't get some of the cats. The should get to make chararts in my opinion because I honestly don't think it'd be fair if none of them ever get to claim an image /just because some users are faster at claiming images/. So, to top this out, I'd say we should make these chararts, because the users who didn't get to claim characters for TR will get a chance. -- 23:32, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Just pointing out, Briarlight isn't shown without her broken back. It may not be glaringly obvious, but honestly and injury like that wouldn't be. Her posture implies a broken back, so there should be no alt for that.


 * Rusty - Firestar is already ginger so that's kind of redundant. xD


 * Hal - yes.


 * Pinestar - just for ginger as ginger and red are usually the same.


 * Heathertail - yes.


 * Briarlight - No, I don't think so unless they explicitely state that she is a warrior in that picture.


 * Raggedstar - No, that's too minor to warrant an alt.


 * Mapleshade - of course.


 * Tallpoppy - yes.


 * Also, Silverberry, first come first serve is about the fairest we can get when it comes to reserving images. Just because more experienced users are usually faster doesn't mean they have an unfair advantage over anybody else. At the moment the wiki clock strikes midnight you can reserve. If you're there or not it doesn't matter. I know I'm not often there and it just takes patience and the willingness to do any image.


 * And " we should make these chararts, because the users who didn't get to claim characters for TR will get a chance" is not a reason for an alt. Alts have to be warranted. They have to be a) different enough from the main images and other alts to be needed, b) able to be displayed on a charart, and c) reliably citable and relevant. So the next time you want to complain about not getting an image you're just going to have to be faster as that's all there is to it. It's first come first serve and always has been so there's no point in whining about it as that's about as fair as it can get. <span style="">0:24 Thu Nov 7 2013

I have the book and I can tell you that her back is broken in that picture, and it looks like she's dragging herself along.

Found another; Brook seems to be kind of orangish in color on page 154 (or is that just me?). 00:24, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly don't know if we should do some of these.. Like, they could easily be up for interpretation. I know with Mapleshade, she doesn't look ginger and white to me... Also Tallpoppy's a confusing one... she was alive in The Last Hope, and this story takes place long before then...

Queen Images
Okay, so does anyone here remember what we did with the apprentice blanks when they were redone? Well, after talking about it with a couple of the other members of the project, both leads and non-leads, and even users not directly involved with PCA, and we've come to the conclusion the best way to get these images done, and done in a timely manner, is to do the method of reserving images and posting them as done in the past.

To do this, we're going to extend the maximum images to two for the approval page. However, this only applies if you have a queen image. For those who were not around, or don't remember, what we did was upped the amount of images a user could post at once for approval.

This means a user could have the following possibilities for their reservations:
 * One queen image, one regular image (or new image being used for queen blanks, like, say a queen image for Petal, since she does not have one on her page already), and one tweak (if you are a warrior or lead).
 * Two queen images, and one tweak. This would mean that you would be redoing already existing queen images, found here.
 * One regular image, and two tweaks/redos that are not queen blanks.

Quite honestly, as long as there's not more than one new image per person, not counting the redone queen images, on the approval page at once, I don't quite mind. I don't want to see three queen images reserved to one user, though. The maximum you may have is two on the approval page, and if myself or the other leads see anything more, we will decline on the spot.

Any and all users (both part of the project or not) may post queen images on the PCA approval page, as they are completely and totally new images, and not just being redone using the same blanks. This means that kits, apprentices, warriors, and leads all have fair chances to work on images. Scarlet and I were around when we redid the apprentice blanks, and the way we did it was efficient, quicker, and gave the others a chance to work on images they might have never had a chance to should we have only allowed warriors and up to redo the queen images with the new blanks.

That being said, the perma-queen blanks are also being redone, and since they are a modified version of Paleh's queen blanks, Scarlet and I (along with the voices of others), have agreed to let her tweak her already existing blanks and repost the perma-queens, since they are hers, after all, and she knows exactly what would need to be done and where things would need to be tweaked.

Hmm, I believe I've gotten it all pretty much said... If anyone's got questions, fire away.

Aka. If I want a queen image I can reserve one even with sandstorms alt needing to get done? That's cool but then where do I put my reservation dates <span style="">06:27 Fri Nov 8

I don't think we actually added a reservation date... but just add it with a slash. so like it would be date for sandstorm/date for soandso's queen image. on the same line

Makes sense, Snowed. Good idea: we'll have the queens done in no time. <span style="">0:44 Sat Nov 9

Question: okay, so i'm working on Leaf now. Since I can do 2 approval images for a limited time, is it possible for me to do a queen image and Leaf? Because I didn't really get what was explained above.. 02:57, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

I knew a couple people might not understand it..so that's why I'm here. yes, you may work on a queen image of your choosing. However, since you already have a new original image (Leaf's rogue), you cannot choose a new queen image (like say, one from Thunder Rising), but instead the queen images that are listed here, that need to be redone. Just make sure one you want to do isn't already reserved or not being used, or that it's not a perma-queen blank, as seen with the blanks used on this image or ones like it.

Thanks! That cleared it up for me. I went and reserved Clovertail c: 05:51, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Rejoin
Hi. I was working on re-polishing my skills a little before coming back, and I'm feeling okay about them now. do I come back as a kit or a warrior or...? 04:40, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Why in god's name would we add you in as a kit? ._. You're a warrior, since that's the rank you had when you left.

Join Request
Oh gosh, I don't know how many times I've re-joined (all my fault.) But anywho c: Could I join again? XD <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><span style="text-shadow: 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px, 10px 10px 10px Midnight blue;">Si <font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="lightblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="green" face="Tempus Sans ITC"><font color="blue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ber <font color="darkblue" face="Tempus Sans ITC">ia 21:42, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Berry gave me permission to say yes for her - I'll add you in. c: 12:41, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Join Request
Hey guys, can I join the project? And if I can, can I do Ravenpaw's StarClan image? HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 15:36, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Yep, you can join, I'll add you in now~ Go ahead and read over the guidelines, and if you need help with art look over the apprentice tutorials. Also, if you'd like to have a mentor to help you with your art you can apply for one at the mentor program. It doesn't look like anyone has reserved Ravenpaw's image yet, so you can reserve it and do it if you'd like. <span style="">17:48, 11/10/2013

Thanks so much! I love doing chararts. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:11, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having a problem
Wait, the wiki isn't letting me add to the chart or put charart on the approval page, how do I fix that? HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Add new heading button (on the top of the page, where edit would be) >> you set up your charart like this:

= =Insert name here == <--- heading (without the spacing between the first two =s)

Under it, put:

<-- image name, barring the space between the [ at the start 18:23, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

All I see is a box with a lock on it that says view source on both pages, unless I'm overlooking something :/ HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that's because there's a lock on the approval page. We've had anon users or others posing as PCA leads/members, and we do that so we don't have cases of impersonation to deal with. You might have to wait a couple days before you can post.

So I'm not crazy. Thanks for letting me know. For now, can you see if you can reserve the Ravenpaw Star image for me? I already have it saved on my computer, and I worked pretty hard on it. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:40, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, it unlocked :). HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:44, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

That's good to know! I still reserved it for you, though. Now you're all ready to post the image. ouo

Thanks :D. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:47, November 10, 2013 (UTC)