Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

=For Approval= Take it to the approval page

=Tweaked= Take it to the tweak page

=Discussion=

Hello PCA
It's nice to see the project open again. Now, as a starting thing, the discussion for leader/deputy is here and I invite you all to comment on it. As for the talk page, I'd like to bring a few other things to light.
 * For those who said we didn't need a no-rank blank, we have confirmation from Kate that the ancient Tribe cats did not have ranks once they moved to the mountains. They have apparently discontinued using the rank of sharpclaw, so a no-rank blank would be necessary, as they have no rank.
 * Some revisions on the guidelines to make them less picky and snippy and more artist-friendly. While I realize the project is about art, you also have to keep in mind that not everyone is perfect, and the elitist behavior of the project is what shut it down to begin with... we don't need a repeat of that, now do we?
 * Some other qualifications to becoming a lead would also be a good idea. While this is in no way, shape, or form, a bash against previous leaders, deputies, or senior warriors of this project, I honestly believe someone who can only art should not be a project lead. Keep in mind their ability to lead, comment on discussions, fairness, ect.
 * I know Hawkmask expressed an interest in redoing some of the tutorials, and I invite her to bring her ideas to the talk page so we can discuss it more.

For now, I added everyone who was a warrior, senior warrior, deputy, or leader in as a warrior, and we'll keep going from there once we get a leader/deputy sorted out. I don't think we should be posting art until we get at least the leader and deputy thing sorted, but I'd have no complaints to people reserving images. Remember, if you had it before, that doesn't mean it's automatically yours again. First come, first serve.

I know I'm missing tons of stuff, but I'm typing this up as I can think of it, so if you've got something, please please fire away.

On the images, are we still allowed one new image and one redo, for the approval page (not tweaks), like before it closed? Since there are /tonnes/ of images... 17:05, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, good question. I know I have no problems with the reservations, but if we have no current leads elected, then there's no real way to CBA/approve/decline those images. I think reserving them is fine (but remember my word is not final), but you'd probably have to wait to post them until we at least get a leader and deputy. I mean, I kinda want things to run how they did before, just with a better atmosphere and stuff.

Definitely. No art should be reserved until a good basis of leads are decided by the project - and of course, that includes community consent. I believe that the article we have on leader and deputy should stay up for a while until a good amount of people are nominated, and then the vote follows it. 21:20, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so as you said I did in fact request to give the approval page a make-over. I'd like to ask all of the project members about which tutorials they think need some redoing/updating. We could have some kind of forum/vote/deciding-page-thingy to help us figure out which ones need to be updated. 21:33 Tue May 6

I think that mottled and flecked could use with an update 22:33, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

I'll start a new discussion about the apprentice tutorials. --0:36 Wed May 7

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hey can i join 16:47, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * There aren't any technical leads yet to add you in, but I highly doubt anyone will shoot me for adding you in, since I'm doing everything else to restart the project.

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Yes ik there are no leads and i hate to put this here with that being the case, but I'm on the mentor table and not the member list lol someone add me please ;.; 19:04, 05/6/2014
 * I can do that. I think I may have removed some people I shouldn't have.

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Hey guys. So can I be added in since we're apparently doing that now? 22:26, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Course you can. I must have accidentally removed you, sorry.

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Heyo! Did this project a few year back, not really an active reader anymore, but if you give me a description, I can do my best! Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 23:20, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll add you in as a kit, but until the lead situation is settled, we probably won't be doing any artwork at present time.


 * Yay! Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 13:22, May 7, 2014 (UTC) Thanks!

Apprentice Tutorials Makeover
So as most of you should know, since Snowed of Lightning mentioned it above, that I will help out with the apprentice tutorials' update. I want to start ASAP, and I want to know from you guys which ones need updating. We aren't claiming which oines to do yet, but Snowed of Lightning says she wants to redo the black cat tutorial.

Which tutorials do you think need updating? 0:41 Wed May 7

Mottled and flecked. 07:03, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind a tweak to the tortoiseshell and dual-colored ones to make them a little more natural, so to say. (the ones Iceheart and Loonie did) The tortie one only shows pale torties, I think, and the dual colored one should have a bit more variety. I will say this, though. No one needs to touch Bloo's marbled tabby one- it's perfect in every way, shape, and form. 8DD

Yes Snowed of Lightning. That one is fine too. I agree with both of you. 20:17 Wed May 7

The eye and shading charts need updating. And possibly the adding stripes tweak tutorial... Idk. 20:55, 05/7/2014

We should add more diversity in tutorials, like having some be using queen blanks, deputy blanks, leader blanks, kit blanks, etc. Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 21:17, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oooh, yes, that's a fantastic idea. I find it awkward to try and tabby on a blank that isn't shown in a tutorial because that's how I learned the way the tabby stripes should go. I'm sure others feel the same, so the project and all the users would benefit from the use of more than just the warrior blank (which is the most commonly used blank) for the tutorials. 22:50, 05/7/2014

Yes, fabulous. I was thinking that the shading placement image needs updating as well, and the color chart too; it could have a few more colors (if there are any). 2:02 Fri May 9

See, that's the thing with the color chart. I don't think it's a good idea to take that for perfect, since the colors are only a basic example of what you could use. It's the same with the ear pink. It should really only be used as a guide for what color area you should start with if you're new...but as this project has shown, there are a lot of different colors and shades that you could use. I'd be all for updating the shading placement to show different styles too. ^^ If someone has the time I'd say two styles for each blank but that would be madness and I don't expect anyone to sit around and do that. \

I've got time. I might even have time for the frigging eyes DX I already started 3 days ago I'm not even half way done cause I don't have the patience. 23:20 Fri May 9

I think that under each section, say, dual-coloured, we should have multiple tutorials by different users. I don't think that unless they are misleading, tutorials shouldn't be replaced but kept in respect to the artists. I like Icehearts, and I don't want to see them replaced. With different tutorials under each section, then users can select from a variety of diverse styles and choose which one fits them best instead of just looking at one tutorial.

White and black (individual white cats and black cats I mean) is also misleading. They imply that you're not allowed to use pure white or a really really dark gray, when in fact that is quite the opposite. While it's possible (and I've done it for fun), I believe having tutorials that show using pure white and darker gray should be an option- someone once told me that using pure white was forbidden, and that's completely and totally misleading. =P

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Could i join the Project? :P I use Paint Tool Sai and Paint.Net. Also, i was wondering, if i get accepted, can i claim Frost's StarClan Image?~Breezeheart~ (talk) 04:02, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course you can join. The project guidelines are here, and there are some tutorials should you need help...although some of them might be redone. As for art, I don't think we're claiming and/or posting anything right now until we get some proper project leads in place. After that, it's first come, first serve.

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Herro, may I join, I'm getting GIMP because I have a general idea on how to use layers x3 15:10, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Bird. It's nice to see you joining again. 8D I'll add you in as a kit, since I think that's where you were... I honestly can't remember, and if I'm wrong, correct me.. Here are the guidelines and some tutorials if you need them.

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Herro, you talented humans, I thought that joining PCA might be a good way for me to get a footing on editing the wiki again, so could I join the project, mayhaps? I use GIMP and once in a while I might use Pixlr. ~Spottedpool~ (talk) 23:22, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure you can. ouo I'll add you in as a kit. Here are the guidelines and some tutorials if you need them.

Still open?
Ello wanted to see if I could join or not.

Yes the project is open, someone should add you, but we need you to sigh with 4 ~'s so we know who you are. Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 15:34, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Leader/Deputy Vote
The vote to decide PCA's new leader and deputy can be found here. I invite everyone to go and vote, but please keep in mind the requirements, which are the same as the previous vote to open the project back up. ^^

Suggestion for a new requirement to become a SW
So I was thinking (I've actually had this idea for quite a while but whatever) and I think a new requirement should be added to become a sw. I think that in order to become a SW you have to nominate at least one article and it must pass in PW, PR, PB, or PC. This way users will have to help the other projects to advance in PCA and SW nominations won't be as much about pretty art. I think it would help, and when ou think about it it isn't hard at all to get a nomination in a project. x3 21:01, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

That's acutally a really good idea. Didn't this project close because of other projects being ignored? If we do this, then that means that the other projects would benifit, too. Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 21:03, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it did. ^ I like this idea. Not only would they be participating in other projects, they might actually learn to like working on the mainspace articles and become more active members in other projects. I'm all for this- the main focus is not PCA, but it does have fun parts. Plus, as Duck said, it really isn't very hard to nominate and get them to pass.

I really like this idea. I've gotten a page up to silver and it wasn't hard. Granted it was a very minor character's page, but it wasn't hard at all. Should be an easy task to accomplish for everyone. 21:07, 05/10/2014

I agree, nominating is a piece of cake. This will probably stop the other projects being ignored (compared to the PCA). 16:37, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Really though, nothing you do can get people to work in other projects or the mainspace if they really don't interest. I don't exactly support the idea tbh, because that requirement has nothing to do with being a PCA lead. If you want the requirements to get harder, then they should be more relevant to PCA. There were many people who were PCA leads without having anything to do with other projects, because they feel that their skills don't lie with those projects. But you can't deny them a lead position if they really deserve it for that reason. Scarlet, for an example mainly edited PCA, and would you say that she didn't deserve her spot because her skills lay here, or that she didn't contribute. Same with a lot of other people that I could name before. Personally, there are other methods of trying to raise the activity in other projects. Plus, guys, PCA is still contributing.

I have to agree with Stoner. PCA leads are picked because of their performance in PCA not elsewhere on the wiki. 10:29 Fri May 16 2014

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Hi! I am a new member, but have been an artist for a while. I use GIMP and a Wacom Intuos. I thought the best way I could contribute to the wiki is to help with the art. I hope you accept. I want to do art for Cherrytail from SkyClan, as I read Firestars Quest and fell in love with her. There  are many other characters I want to do art for, though, so... joining would be great for me.

Rivet-Wolf (talk) 14:51, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Rivet-Wolf


 * Of course you can join! I'll add you in as a kit, and then you'll work your way up to apprentice, then warrior. Here are the guidelines for the project, and here are some useful apprentice tutorials, but you're not required to use them. Welcome! =)

Join, please :D?
As the healine says: Could I join? I was going to a long time ago when PCA was still open (before the closing), but never got around to it because I was being lazy for all that time... But at least I'm not being lazy now. :P -- Berry I'll be at Minecon  00:44, May 17, 2014 (UTC)