Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Talltail- For approval


Look everyone! My first real charcat!!! Let me know if it has issues, I shaded him and everything!! I want this charcat to be approved. Hawkfire Rock and roll all nite! 15:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, first of all, I changed the section to Talltail, since that was his warrior name, and as we'll be seeing him in Bluestar's Prophecy as a warrior it will work. Now, the black patches on him need to a color-slightly-lighter-than-black, because then it just goes with the lineart. Lighten the black, and then we'll go from there. Also, if you're still using Paint, I would highly recommend getting GIMP or using pixlr. -- Bramble My Realm 17:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Bramble's right. For some idea of what an approved black and white cat should look like take a look at Crowfrost, smallkit or toadkit (approved images). That's the standard we need before approval  Sandy Talk! 15:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

His eye looks like he's sinister; perhaps this could be changed?--Yai-Girl 16:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He looks like he popped right out of Pokemon. Give him less of an angry-japanese look. G B 57 16:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Okay. I redid him. Does he look any better? Hawkfire My Den 17:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Why are his feet black?--Yai-Girl 17:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

He is better, but I would suggest a black patch on his foreleg coming up to his chest, and lighten the black even more. You also need to blur the transition between black and white on all the places. Some more shading is needed, too. Keep it up, and he'll be approved in no time. And Yai, I'm presuming his paws are black cause he's a black and white cat. -- Bramble My Realm 17:54, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I smudged him, added more shading, and added that patch Bramble wanted. Comments? Hawkfire My Den 18:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What's with all the tiny black dots? And try blurring instead if smudging. Sand wich  989  19:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? :) And I have no idea how those black dots get there sandwich, I set it to png but they wont go away! Hawkfire My Den 19:37, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the black dots anymore. I think you just add shading and blend it in and it will look good. Sand wich  989  22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I did blend, and I did add shading. I just brightened the shading to make it a silvery color. Anything else? Hawkfire My Den 13:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The black needs to be a lot lighter, and I think in places it goes outside the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 19:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anyn shading. But I would do is make the blur tool brush big enough so half of it can be on the black and half of it can be on the white and just run it until the black and white stops. Do that where there is all black and white next together. Sand wich  989  19:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 20:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the black slightly lighter than what you have now so you can see the lineart. And it still needs more shading and the patches need blending. Your doing great. =)--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the perfect shade of black! I added more shading, and I added more blending, is it better? Hawkfire My Den 14:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

This is the best yet, and it is a great shade of black. The shading is too pronounced, though, it needs to be more blurred and less standoutish. -- Bramble My Realm 14:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? I blurred the shading Hawkfire My Den 12:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Better, yes, but put a little bit of the normal black color between the shading and the white on that patch in the middle of his back. His ear pink also needs to be blended more into the pelt. -- Bramble My Realm 19:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Reuploaded. Hawkfire My Den 19:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches looks smudge inches into the pelt in some places and not blended at all. And I suggest making it a shade darker than pure white.--Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 20:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? Hawkfire My Den 12:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Add some more shading on the chest and possible the muzzle and I think he'll be ready. Perhaps blend the ear pink a little too.  Sandy Talk! 13:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Will this work? Hawkfire My Den 02:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You don't think that you could possibly blend in the shading more? The line between non-shading and shading is still rather distinctive. -- Dawnfeather talk! 13:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There also looks like a smudge spot near the base of his tail, but on his back.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 17:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

This looks great, Hawkfire. I'd suggest you lighten the shading, though. And the black is too dark. I would use the same black as Crowfeather or maybe Nightcloud. Sparrowsong 21:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Hawkfire My Den 21:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The patches need blended more. Look at Patchfoot, Smallkit, and other patched cats for reference. --Warrior♥ Warrior's Den 23:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? Hawkfire My Den 16:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Any more comments? Hawkfire My Den 21:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Again, the ear is the problem here. You need to sort it in the same way as you need to sort Jumpfoot's Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Hawkfire, this looks really good! But the ear pink needs to be lighter and more triangular. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:violet; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Sparrowsong ( talk! ) 17:25, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

darken shading. -- MU MB LE 785  23:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

This hasn't been worked on in a week. Please work on this or it will be declined. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry Sandy!! Um..Well to make a long story short, my laptop has the same virus GB's cpu does, and its very bad. So I havent been on my laptop in awhile, which it has all my charart on it. And also, all the computers I have tried, I can't get access to Pixlr, so now I am using my brother's laptop (the same kind of laptop) while mine is getting fixed. Anyway I fixed the ear, and darkened the shading. Hawkfire Go Aggies! 14:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

He seems a little too dark, I can barely se the outline. Also shouldn't both he and Tallstar have the same markings?--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, lighten him a little and Shady, you're right. I'm going to ask you to edit this slightly Hawkfire as I think it will be easier than editig the leader. Can you add a white tail tip and remove the black from the paws. I think with the different angle that they will then look similar enough for the sakes of the project. Do that and it'll be ready! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Lightened, fixed the ear. I just redid the whole image to make it look more like Tallstar. Exact same color and I did my best on the markings. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much Hawkey (sorry you had to redo the image : Darken the shading and blend the ear and he looks good to go Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Done :) Anyway I am getting sick of redoing Talltail, this is about the 22nd time :) Now I am finally done with him!! Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 13:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, Hawkey, I want so much to approve him, but his shading now needs blending again and there needs to be some added to the white parts of his body, on the haunch, belly, and foreleg particularly. Hang in there! I've been told 23's a lucky number. ;) -- Bramble My Realm 00:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Brightheart(Ki) - For Approval
I wanted to have a go at a kit. Can anyone tell me how to put shading on a white kit? --Spottedwing 18:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

1.) Add shading by taking the brush tool in pixlr.com, choose the 5 brush and change the exposer to 50%. Put the brush when the shding should go and blend.

2.) The patches look to circleish and ovalish. Make them sort of lumpy.

3.) Blend all the patches and ear pink

Do this and it should be good.Minnowclaw 19:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw


 * Like Minnowclaw said, fix the patches. No cat has such even markings like this.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 21:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Minnowclaw and Shimmer. To put shading on a white cat you need to make sure the cat isn't pure white. Make her slightly greyish so the shading will show up. <span style="color:DarkBlue;background:LightBlue;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DarkBlue;"> Sandy <font color="IceBlue">Talk! 07:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got her reuploaded. My computer is being slow again. I added shading and redid the patches. What do you guys think? --Spottedwing 21:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Try to position the patches like on the queen and warrior versions of her. I thinkIt's nice that you're using a different shade then those, as then they're all different and as ginger changes in the lighting... Also, the eyes are very dark green. Try lightening them like on the warrior and queen versions. Finally, my computer's coming back tommorrow! I can put up Oakheart, Jayfeather, and Crookedstar! --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

This is very good but the ginger splotches need to be more lumpy the one on her head is good though. User:Stonestar 13:47, July 19 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I made the blotches more lumpy and I added another blotch between her legs. I also made her eyes lighter. --Spottedwing 17:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

She needs more shading on the neck, head and left side of her body. Blend the edges of the patches slightly and also the shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The shading is really bothering me. Her right forepaw has the regular white while the rest of her is darker and has more shading. Fix this by adding some of the regular white in her. Also blend the patches like Sandy said.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 18:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry it took so long. It's fair week and I'm so busy with my animals, that I'm barly at home. I made her white, went over the shading, and tried blending in the blotches. --Spottedwing 02:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It's a good start. Blend the shading just a bit more, though, and add some on the chin. Sparrowsong 03:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry to be OT, but does anyone know why this page is locked? I don't see why it needs to be.

Yes, she's getting there! Just thicken the shading slightly anf add more under the chin, then blend it all in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I added shading on her neck. --Spottedwing 02:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Please comment --Spottedwing 13:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The spot on her head is still rather round. Also, the two spots on the chest are bothering me; make them more lumpy. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The spots look like they've been stuck on... Try making them less regular - more like patches than spots. Also, add shading on her head and thicken all the shading before blending in thoroughly. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry it took so long. I redid the blotches. --Spottedwing 18:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I left the blotch on her head round, because thats how it is on the Queen virsion. --Spottedwing 17:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

She just needs some shading on her cheeks, the ginger mark on her tail blurred, shading added to the bottom of the tail, and the neck shading curved downward some more. Then I’d call her good to go. The patches are much better. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I think she reuploaded. The new virsion isn't showing up on my computer. I redid the neck and blured the tail mark. --Spottedwing 00:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Add some shading on her head. thicken the neck shading and blend it in more. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I added shading to her face. --Spottedwing 23:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to make all the shading thicker and darker and then blend it in (especially on the neck) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:31, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the neck shading. --Spottedwing 00:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Please comment User:Spottedwing 02:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Connect the top part of the patch on her shoulder (our left) with the lineart on the side. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   22:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Did it reupload? If it did, the left patch is connected to the lineart. --User:Spottedwing 23:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

What else? --User:Spottedwing 00:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Kittypet Blanks - For Approval


I was messing around in the warriors wiki when I found many declined images so I put the Kittypet blanks for approval. Comments?--Yai-Girl 17:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Yai, these are Darkhallows' images. You need her permission to edit them, and also, o, Sandiwolf was working on them; they were just taken down due to black of work. -- Bramble My Realm 21:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops sorry.--Yai-Girl 15:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

These had best be declined then until Darkhallows gives her permission to use the old blanks and until you sort it out with Sandiwolf. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 10:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yai-girl can use them. I have attempted to revamp them to no avail. Maybe she can.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 17:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, back up for approval. Sandiwolf's were declined, and if she wants them back up, she and Yai can talk it out. There is a chances that one set can be used as rogues and the other as kittypets. (will add criticism when I have time) -- Bramble My Realm 16:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Kittypets are well-groomed. The fur on the lond-hairs are sticking out everywhere. I thought you weren't supposed to put cats in drying machines? -- MU MB LE 785  23:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Mumble, long-hairs are fluffy, know matter how "well-groomed" they are. Maybe make the hair a tad bit closer to the pelt, though. I love the collars. :)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Now, the lineart needs to be thicker, so as it goes with the other images. Instead of the tail being up, it would be better if it was curled around the paws, I think, and the ears need to be shrunk. The paws look slightly awkward too. I found this pic: click You could probably use it for reference. -- Bramble My Realm 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with everything Bramble. That pic made me laugh though. I would advise you not to make them quite that fat Yai! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, hey, they are kittypets. lol but yeah, don't make them that fat Yai. -- Bramble My Realm 23:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I have trouble making the long hairs fluffy can someone help me?--Yai-Girl 14:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Hre's another reference: <<That should help you on the fur a little bit. (I know who drew that ^^) and instead of just thickining the outer lineart, try doing it with the inside lines, if that makes sense.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I did the short hairs, how do they look?--Yai-Girl 19:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Looks great, but can you please make them a bit bigger? MaYbe the size of my Loner blanks on the bottom? Besides that I love them! The reason I want them to be bigger, is beacuse it's easier to add shading, blending, and smudging, and so we can see the colors and tabby stripes/dapple even better. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you make the blanks bigger?--Yai-Girl 14:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Oh erm.. I don't know. Maybe ask somebody who is good at the computer? I had to redo my loner blanks to make them bigger :( Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I have a couple of things:


 * 1) They are a little small but I'm not sure how to make them bigger (Moss might know as she did it for her prey-hunters)
 * 2) There doesn't seem to be much difference between the longhaired and shorthaired - make it clearer which have longer fur
 * 3) The heads are a little strange - they seem really... angular and the eyes are really off centre which looks odd
 * 4) The lineart on the inside of a couple of them still needs to be thickened.

Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I thickened the lineart on the long hairs.--Yai-Girl 21:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I have a suggestion, try to make the tail on the longhears thicker so then we can tell the difference. --Spottedwing 16:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

thickened tails.--Yai-Girl 18:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

Here´s a diagram, I had no problems with it, but it´s a small like Hawkfire and Sandy said.--Yai-Girl 10:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

I don't know.... the style just doesn't seem right.... --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Dawn?--Yai-Girl 11:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Yai-Girl

They look rather cartoon-ish to me, and I honestly don't think they work very well. Please don't get me wrong - there is no offense intended, to either you, Yai-Girl, or Shady. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Lionstar - for approval


Here's my 1st leader. Does any one know how to do good highlights like Minnowclaw and Quiet have done on their images? Sand wich  989  19:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow Sandwich, this looks great. Maybe blend the shading and ear pink a little more, and are his eyes really light blue? And no, I do not know how to add highlights like that. Ask them yourself! :) Hawkfire My Den 22:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Hawkfire on blending the shading. It took a while for me to find out what you meant by highlights, but I don't use them. I have no clue what quiet does, but if you mean what I did with Thunderstar, I go to www.pixlr.com and use the dodged tool for shading and highlights. Hope I helped!Minnowclaw 22:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Make the eyes amber as it is a generic colour unless you can find a reference for blue eyes. Take the shading away from the top edge of the tail and add some on the neck and left side of his face. Then blend all the shading more. Highlights aren't strictly necessary but if you do want to add them then use the dodge tool. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Made eyes amber, fixed tail, and fixed shading. Sand wich  989  19:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I think what Snady meant is to still have the shading along the bottem of the tail, just not on the top. Also, there are two white dots toward the outside of the eyes that aren't highlights that need to be taken out. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   01:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I made you a diagram for shading. Where I circled in blue, I think you should put some shading. Other that that, This is a REALLY good image! Diagram: -- MU MB LE 785  20:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed everything. Sand wich  989  21:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sandwich...you should have kept the shading you had and added in the shading spots mumble suggested.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I added it now. Sand wich  989  07:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's in the right places now, but you need to blend it in at the edges... Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, did that. Sand  wich  989  23:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The shading on his right cheek is too thick. Blur it a lot or take some away. Or both. -- Bramble My Realm 23:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

There's also some blurry lineart around his hind legs and the join where they meet the front legs. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 09:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I really hate to do this but I can't find the color I was usign for the fur, so I'm gonna withdraw. Sand wich  989  19:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, after a very convincing argument by Mosswhisker, consider this un withdrawn. Sand wich  989  21:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Glad to hear it. :) Make the shading slighly thinner on the left side of his face. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   20:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Pad - For Approval
You've been waiting for him, so here he is. Criticism is welcome. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 18:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks good. Cute. -- Bramble My Realm 19:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you make the ear pink more triangular, darken the shading and add shading under the chin? Other then that he looks great! Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 21:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, M&S, if you looked at just about every pair of ears on our kit pics, you'd see that they're not triangular. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Good point. Never mind. Mosswisker&amp;Stealthfire 23:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

But, M&S has a point on the shading under the chin. You would need to make it darker.Minnowclaw 10:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

He looks super cute, but maybe tone down the ear pink a shade because it looks a very unnatural bright color.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 16:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Better? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 22:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Cutie, but darken the shading just a tad.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 00:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Blur the ear pink a little more. Also, the shading needs to be slightly darker. Good job, GB. <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:IceBlue;"> Jane Volturi ( talk! ) 20:30, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

He's very cute! The only thing would be if you could darken his eyes just a little bit. He looks great!!!-- MU MB LE 785  20:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

How's that? Also, Mumble, I want to keep the eyes bright, to make him look all cute and innocent. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Any comments before 24-hour approval?-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you curve the neck shading downward just a smidge? It's almost a straight line right now. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll get on it tomorrow. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 00:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the tail needs to be darker. I can't see it. Otherwise, he's great! --Blackclaw09 20:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the coloring on the tail is the shading. Anything else? <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. I don't see any more problems. --Blackclaw09 01:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading could be blended more. -- Darkhallows Lair 08:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, I've been busy lately, and I still am, and then I'm going to be gone for a week, so please do not decline. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

tadpole- for approval
ok, since scourge didn't work out, i made an easier one:tadpole. how did i do? rainpelt

add/darken shading... -- MU MB LE 785  23:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Add a tad bit of shading under the chin, head, sides, and lightly on the pars. Blend the ears some more and there's a darker line of pink running through it. Lighten the eyes, as they are hazel, and add a highlight to them. He looks very cute. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Also, judging by what you said on Scourge you are using paint, right? Try using www.pixlr.com to edit your images. (Use the burn tool for shading and the blur tool for ...blurring.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;">  MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:33, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, i used gimp to fix shading.-rainpelt


 * I can hardly see the shading and there's a part gray background..Theres look like some gray near his left foreleg close to the line art. There's also some near his ears and where his two paws meet his chest.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 01:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

i added shading and lightened the eyes and i have fixed the background rainpelt

i worked on shading more, and made the BG transparent, if it dosent show up for you guys tell me. and i also noticed the line art was lightened when i was doing shading, so i fixed that problem, have i fixed it all? rainpelt worked on shading and ears more, no comments in a while, so, i dont know what to do next.

Well, he needs shading on the other side of his body, his front legs and top of head, and your current shading needs to be blurred in more. There's also an extra bit of gray stuck in between the tail and side, get rid of that. -- Bramble My Realm 02:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

fixed. rainpelt


 * It looks like you smudged it more than you blurred.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 15:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

blurred instead of smudged


 * The little picks of gray are still there in between the paws and his hind leg.-- ♪Shimmer ♫ 22:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

did that, and lightened the ears. rainpelt

The shading needs to be blurred into the pelt, to make it look more natural, and less like patches. Plus, he's supposed to be black. Right now, he looks more like a dark gray. Maybe make him a little darker. Other then that, good! Jaypaw189 21:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

done-rainpelt

He doesn't have a pupil in his eyes. Fix that and he's looks good. --Blackclaw09 20:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

he has one.rainpelt 23:35, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

anything else? rainpelt

Pinestar - For Approval
This is Pinestar, leader of ThunderClan, father of Tigerstar, and kittypet.

eyes should be green, bit more shading, other than that, very goodrainpelt

Your really god at making charcats!It's awesome,but as rainpelt and mumble said,add alittle more shading,then he'll be perfect!I like his green eyes,there like the color of the leaves in Green-leaf! --Firepelt 02:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

OMG! It's awesome! But, add some more shading, like rainpelt said. ;) If you need to, you can look at my nightstar (above) or one of the finished leaders. :) (And don't forget to sign your name with the four squigle-things (~)! -- MU MB LE 785  22:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

All it said was that he was a reddish-brown tabby tom. Nothing about all this extra stuff you put up. It's, good, but I think you need to change it.Minnowclaw 23:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Minnowclaw

Perhaps take the black markings away and make them slightly darker red, and add more stripes. Also, the lineart is still blurred. As I said before, I can fix this for you if need be. -- Bramble My Realm 02:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the eyes to green, like you said, Rainpelt. I don't remember it saying anything about him being a tabby, but if you look at page 144 in Code of the Clans, you will see a pic of Pinestar's head. It has the same markings I have drawn on him. That'd be great, Bramble, but could u wait untill it is ready to be approved? Jaypaw189 19:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

He's just a red-brown tom, so he doesn't need tabby marks. But the markings on his eyes can stay, just make them a darker brown color instead of black; black sticks out too much. And sure, I can wait until it just needs that done, and then it can be approved. -- Bramble My Realm 23:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Bramble. I made them dark brown, like you asked. Any other changes you need? Jaypaw189 00:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Take away the black lines around the dark brown markings, and blur them a bit. That way they look less sharply defined and more natural. -- Bramble My Realm 00:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I blurred it like you asked. Jaypaw189 17:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

The outline is blurred a little.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 18:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I finally got the new version to show up! I know, Bramble said she'd (or he'd) fix that for me when it's ready to be approved. Jaypaw189 20:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

I’m a she. ;) I reuploaded him with transparent background and unblurred lineart. Those black lines around his muzzle; take those away, cause it makes his muzzle look like he’s wrinkling it up and it looks odd. If you don’t know what I mean, look at the original leader blank and take away any black line on Pinestar’s muzzle that’s not on lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 00:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, also his ears and nose need to be pink. Not too stand-out-ish though. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I changd the muzzle, like u asked, Bramble. I made the nose pink, Sandy, but when I tried to make the ears pink, it looked really strange. Jaypaw189 16:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

It looks good, comments before approval?-- Darkhallows Lair 20:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Put in ear pink, but don't make it as bright as the nose pink. Also, his eyes are neon green, try making them a more natural shade. And blur the lighter fur on his chest more, for you highlights are showing up in a ring. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the ears, the chest, and the eyes. Anything else? Jaypaw189 00:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Yeah, I see little black marks above the ears. Fix, please. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 02:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Did that. Anything else need fixing? Jaypaw189 15:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Repeating, comments before approval? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The flecks are still there, and Pinestar shouldn't have a cream chest and muzzle. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 21:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I got rid of the flecks. And it showed him having a white muzzle in Code of the Clans. Jaypaw189 23:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie
 * You can't tell the color of things from a black & white picture. I think he looks great. -- MU MB LE 785  19:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Squirrelflight (Ki) - For Approval


I hope this cat is okay.I used www.pixlr.com.I tried my best in doing the outline in the sides,but i tihnk i need a way more darker color.she has tabby stripes on her pelt,and they are darker than the ginger colored pelt.I hope squirrelkit(squirrelflight) is okay!I had anotherimage of squirrelkit,but the paw was way to blurred,so i tried to slvge what i could of it and otouch it up a bit --Firepelt 03:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

She's pretty good, Fire. Her tabby stripes are a little messy, though, I'd look at some of Sandy's approved kit pics; they have awesome tabby stripes. Also, move her pupils down to the bottom of her eyes, and add a white pixel above the pupils for highlights, to make her look alive. Also, remember to add shading. Last of all, blur the edge of her white paw, and take away the black line separating her ginger fur from the white. --Bramble My Realm 03:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The lineart on her white paw shows blurred to me...-- ♪Shimmer♫ 04:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

I've made you a diagram. The blue stripes are where your tabby stripes need to be, and when you've added them, using the same color you have the current stripes, blur them a bit. The red circles are where you need to add darker shading; use the burn tool (white-gloved hand) for that. And the green circles are where you need to take out those black lines across the ears, and shrink the pink and put in some ginger around it, like the other approved images. Also, change the eyes like I have them changed. At the moment, her eyes look wonky and twisted. --Bramble My Realm 02:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thx bramble,I touched her up,burned her stripes,and deleted the old one's and put new ones in,i added darker ginger shading like brownish to her and deleted the black line at the ears. --Firepelt 18:03, 27 July 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Better but not there yet. The ear pink needs to be much smaller and blended in (look at some approved kits for reference. Mintkit, Fallowkit and Ivykit for example although there are many others) Then sort out the eyes as she looks cross-eyed (again looking at approved kits for guidance will help greatly). She needs more shading on her neck and sides and you need to extend it into the pelt and blend well to lessen the transition. Then make sure she's not blurry as I can see some blurred lineart that's giving her a fuzzy look :) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Your getting there! Her tabby stripes need to be more thicker and blended a little more. The linart is also blurred to me. Hawkfire My Den 15:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Stop moving the section! And the pictures, for that matter. All you have to do is upload the new version of the image, then edit this section saying you've updated. No need to move the section, pics, or anything. You've made all our sigs dead somehow. -- Bramble My Realm 01:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I've moved this back to join the rest of the section - we do not need duplicates of your approval section on the page Firepelt. Just leave it where it is and comment from there. There's no need for anyone to be moving sections unless they are a senior warrior archiving. I put Bramble's comment in at the bottom but the rest was all duplicate so I just kept one lot. (ps. I think the sigs become dead when you copy from the saved page and not from the editing box). All you need to do is follow the guidelines for improvement and then leave a message in this section when you've done them (remembering to upload the new version). Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

She looks a bit pale to me... Perhaps darken her a little to make the colors mure pure? -- MU MB LE 785  22:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Some of the ginger is overlapping the outline. The tabby markings need to be less distinct and lightened, while the pelt needs to be darkened a shade. Her eyes look like there cross-eyed some. xD Other than that, it looks good. =)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed overlapping,darkened pelt.Done.--Firepelt 19:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)FirePelt

Maybe you should make the ear pink a more natural color, like a lighter shade of pink. Also, try blurring the tabby markings, just a bit more. But, this is really good. Nice job, Firepelt! -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Loner Blanks- For approval
Here are my first blanks, constructments? And also, I know the tails are suckish, please tell me how to fix them! Hawkfire My Den 15:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Make the ears more foreward-facing. The back one looks a little like hair, not an ear. I think the main problem with the tail is that it comes from the leg. Move it further up.--<span style="color: darkblue; background:#gold; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 3em; color:darkblue;"> Darkhallows Lair 03:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Like this? I curled the tail around the paws instead, I think it looks good like that. I should of noticed the ear :) Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's a few suggestions to start with and we'll go from there:


 * 1) The tail is now stuck out from the body at a strange angle... try and bring it closer to thhe body so it partially coveres the paws as if it is actually curled on top of them
 * 2) The ears are really large and at a strange angle
 * 3) The facial features are very... comic-like; try and make them look more realistic like the leader or queen blanks.
 * 4) Also, the left front paw is weird... it looks injured. Try and straighten it when you work on the tail. It should all fit into place Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

These look even worse but oh well! I changed it up completely, also the paw they are holding out they are grooming. Cats do that. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 20:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

chance how one of the ears curves, it looks odd-rainpelt

They look like their sitting on their tails... --Blackclaw09 01:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

For the Long-hairs, make the tails bushier. Make teh ears smaller and more pointy on the top, not rounded. Jaypaw189 16:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC) aka Jayie

Fixed the long haired tails, pointed ears, and added ear pink lineart. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 18:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Try making the lineart on the females' eyes a little thinner. They look a little bit like they're wearing mascara or eye-liner. ;) They look good other than that. -- MU MB LE 785  21:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Lol done ;) Anyway I made a charcat of daisy using my blanks! Here she is! Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 16:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)



Er... I would take out the ear lineart. You can't blend it that way and it wouldn't look natural.

Fixed. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 22:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops I forgot to sign. That was me. --<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:39, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Shadowstar (LE) for approval
I hope this works out better than my Raggedpelt. Boltstar 20:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

blend shading. --rainpelt

The one there now is not mine. It was showing up at first but now Bramble's from awhile ago is. Boltstar 21:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I just had that exact problem with Fireheart!!! What you do is simple: Reupload the image but give it a different name. My old image's name was FireHeart, so I uploaded the new version, but called it Fireheart. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  22:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's up now. This stuff happens to me a lot. Well not a lot, but yeah. Boltstar 01:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay. I like the colour you've chosen for her pelt but you seem to have turned some of the lineart grey too - it needs to be black. Also, add more shading on her bcak, face, neck, shoulders and legs and then blend it in. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

What parts of the lineart? None of it looks gray to me. Boltstar 13:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The backa nd tail. If you looks closely it's non-existent. It's the same colour as the pelt Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

blend shading--rainpeelt

It's hard to tell because of the small color difference between the pelt and the lines, but I'm pretty sure you went outside the lines a bit on the back... fix that, and the blurred lines in some spots, make the shading smoother and it'll look great :) <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

It looks like she's pressed against an invisible wall, like a mime. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 23:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The eye is too flat. Put in three pixels of white around the pupil, and then put in lots of shades of green instead of just one. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Theres no lineart under the tail. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 13:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I know that Hawkfire, I just haven't gotten around to fixing it. I plan to work on her today though. Boltstar 14:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Firestar(Wa) - for Approval


Ok! I didn't get to do these guys as leaders, but I have brought back my old Fireheart (updated!) and Bluestar as a deputy. But where's Crookedjaw? Well... I need a little help on him... I don't know how to make the jaw crooked on the Warrior Blanks! So, if you can, please help me! After that's sorted out, I can finish him and put him up. Since my resevations only last two weeks, I stuffed 'em into one thread. xD Comments/Suggestions/Help? -- MU MB LE 785  22:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I separated it out into different sections. The ear colour is still a bit dodgy, play around with it a bit. Also, (I remember when this was up before it was declined) the colouring technique you have done him in is now more used for mottled cats. I would sayto make him a solid colour, butt before you do, maybe you should gather Sandy's or Bramble's opinions on this (or another senior warrior's, or just someone else's in general actually =D ). I think that the shading is good, you have a good style. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll fix the ear, and wait for the other higher-ranked peoples opinions, too. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  01:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Dawn. Take away the markings as they look kind of red and it's making the orange a really strange colour. Make the orange less fluroescent too. The shading is great it's just his colour! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is very good remove the red markings and in my opinion the sheading on the ear is too much. Stonestar 19:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Alrighty! I'm on it! -- MU MB LE 785  23:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I fixed his bolor and took away the tabby markings, but I didn't overwrite my previous image because I wanted to compare them. -- MU MB LE 785  23:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

he looks great maybe darken his pelt a tad bit more. Stonestar 23:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Alright. -- MU MB LE 785  20:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

UPLOADED. Compare that... Better? -- MU MB LE 785  20:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

His ear looks a little light to me. The one behind his other ear. --Blackclaw09 21:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The one closest to you? -- MU MB LE 785  22:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

HE LOOKS A LOT BETTER PERFECT PELT COLOR. Oops caps lock! --StonestarStonestar 22:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC) xD Good. I like him, too. Any other constuctments? (sucky spelling i think...) -- MU MB LE 785  23:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

No, the ear behind the closest ear. It's too dark. --Blackclaw09 23:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh! That ear! I'll fix it. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  18:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Better? -- MU MB LE 785  18:54, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Bluestar(D) - For Approval
(Created new section)

I think that she is beautiful, but before we approve her lets get in some other comments. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

It's gourgus, I just think that the ear pink should be a little more brighter. --Spottedwing 00:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, it looks pretty natural now. Any brighter would make it less natural and more fluoro, something we try to avoid... It's your choice, Mumble. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:36, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M)- I don't think you need to make the color brighter, but blur/smudge it less. Make it more distinct. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   00:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I'll just make it more distinct. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  01:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The picture is great, but wasn't she described as being scarred? (I'm not sure if you have to put that in, but I noticed some of the cats that have scars in their description have scars on the charart, so I just thought I'd point it out...) <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The image is very dark, like the lineart is smudged into it, the same problem goes for Fireheart. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

So, make the image lighter? -- MU MB LE 785  23:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Mal, it doesn't look dark to me... The shading could be lighter, though. ;)--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 19:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

kk! -- MU MB LE 785  18:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Better? -- MU MB LE 785  18:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

She's beautiful. I don't see anything that needs to be changed. Comments before approval? -- Bramble My Realm 02:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

YAY!!!! :D -- MU MB LE 785  18:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Cloudtail (A) - For Approval
I always liked Cloudtail as an apprentice. I don't know why the background came out black. Can anyone tell me how to make it transparent? --Spottedwing 00:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Put the blank on pixlr in the first place. Boltstar 01:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I made the background transparent for you. (Always save images as .png) Your shading needs blended alot more and the nose shouldn't be pink. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Add shading on the top of the head, the chest, curve of the hindleg and then blend it all in to the pelt for a smooth finish. The nose needs to be black and the ear pink needs to be more central and triangular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I took a close look at Tinypaw and added shading and redid the nose and eye. --Spottedwing 00:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading in and this'll look good - it needs to be thicker and blended and try and fill the gap between the shading and lineart with shading too as it looks a little strange. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Filled in the gap. I'll get to the shading tomarrow. --Spottedwing 23:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the shading. --Spottedwing 00:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Please comment User:Spottedwing 02:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading is a bit too thick and dark on the top of the head; lighten it and decrease it a little bit. Also blur all your current shading, but be careful not to hit the lineart. -- Bramble My Realm 02:36, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. Is there anything else? --User:Spottedwing 03:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Rogue Blanks- For Approval


Well the fur is very messy... but they are strays, right?-- Darkhallows Lair 02:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops! Rainpelt had called them... I've messaged him about it. Sorry...-- Darkhallows Lair 03:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Oh, these are really nice! Also, I can see these more as loner's than rouges...maybe you should take to Hawkfire about that possibility. *Shrug* ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * snicker* im a boy. anyway, put on a scourge collars --rainpelt

(M) - I wouldn't put on collars; very few rouges have them. Also, make sure the lineart is the same for all of them. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   23:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

They don't need collars - as far as I'm aware the only rogues with collars are BloodClan - when users make the BloodClan cats they can add collars of their own as each cat will have a different collar anyway and not all rogues have collars as Moss quite rightly said. Just take a look at the whiskers and eyes as they are all different shapes etc and need to be the same style on each (excepting the subtle gender difference of course) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

All right, I think it's better now. I changed the paws too, they were bothering me. Here is a colored example (though it was before I changed them) -- Darkhallows Lair 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I really like these. I don't see anything wrong. These may become the quickest approved blanks.. ever lol. Any other comments? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

They look pretty good. --Blackclaw09 20:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay then! Approval in 24 hours. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Wait!!! I found something: You need to split each cat into one image. I may be wrong, but the two females are one image, and the two males are one image. There needs to be four images, not two. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  20:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Could you round off the shorthaired's tails? They're ab-normally pointed. Also, maybe you could give them some claws, simply becuase thinking of cats like Scourge or Bone in these blanks seem strange. It's just a suggestion though. *Shrug* ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   20:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't add claws because that's just Scourge and Bone, Not all loners. What about Barley and Ravenpaw? I also think the tails are fine. I think that the lie-art is fine, but they need to be split into four images. -- MU MB LE 785  19:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I wasn't saying that they needed to be super-long dog claws, I was just thinking regular cat claws. All cats have claws (except for kittypets, who could be de-clawed.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   21:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh... But, wouldn't they keep their claws sheathed unless they were fighting? :/ -- MU MB LE 785  21:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - It was just I suggestion. Oh, and tilt the whiskers upward a bit. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   22:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I think they look good without claws, but the whiskers do need to be tilted upwards, and maybe make them only have two so it's consistent with the other images. I also think the females' eyes need to be thickened similarly to the males, just with the feminine look. -- Bramble My Realm 00:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and the ears are a little bit too big to me, -- MU MB LE 785  19:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall for approval
My first image. Comments? Criticism? Feel Free Bracken- 17:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

This is good Bracken! The only problem I see is the smudged lineart. Fix that, then we can see if there are any other issues.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 18:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I see a few problems. His pelt is a strange orange colour where it should be brown (like his father). The lineart is very blurry so Echo's right, that does need fixing. Also, the large triangular tabby markings you've used are deemed as cartooony and are not acceptable for the high standards of the project. There are a few alternative marking methods that are esay to do. You can use wavy markings such as on Tornear or Stumpytail - I use these personally for warriors and there are very easy to do. You can also try the 'jagged y' markings such as on Brambleclaw or Cinderheart and there are others besides such as Sunstar. I would suggest either of the first two options however as it is your first image - make sure they're only slightly darker than your base colour. When you've sorted the lineart and the colour and the markings then we'll talk shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's Birchfall again, I hope he's better this time. Bracken- 20:12, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He looks a lot better but next time can you post Birchfall at the same place as your first one. Stonestar 20:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

He's much better. You just need to make the pink of the ear more triangular and less blurry, so that it doesn't interfere with the lineart. You could also look at some of the approved warrior images to get an idea of the small issues like the ear pink, shading, and how to make the pupil of the eye.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the need is very... stand-out-ish. make it end at the tip of the whiskers and erase all that darker color that was paint over his neck. Some of his eye has went over the outer lineart. The shading needs to be blended a lot more, and needs to be darker. I can barely see it in some places. The tabby markings are almost a sickly green color. Make it only a shade or two darker than the pelt.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 19:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

We're getting there. You have all the components it just looks a bit messy. You need to carefully blend the shading into the pelt so it is a smoother colour transition. Take a bit away from the top of the muzzle as it runs straight from the head and looks odd. Then straighten some of the markings so they look a bit neater and add some more in the gaps you've missed. Make the ear pink triangular and blend it in slightly. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Blend the ear pink, like sandy said, but I think that the shape is fine. Make the pink a little bit darker, though... It's sort of bright. You need to blend the shading and markings tremendously. Try using the blur tool at http://www.pixlr.com/. It'll help you out. ;) Other than that, great image. :) -- MU MB LE 785  21:50, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, This should be okay, I changed the stripes, and blurred "everything" I hope this is good! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Hey there! Whassup!!! 23:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Thin the shading a little bit (It goes a little too far into the body), lighten it a little bit, and blend it some more. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  18:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Owleyes (Deputy) - For Approval
Hey, finally got him finished. Comments? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 19:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

He's great! All I can see is that there needs to be more shading, and it needs to be more natural-looking, kind of blended. Otherwise, he's perfect!--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 01:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He neeeds much more shading, and the shading needs to be darker. blur the shading more and blur the ear pnk. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice color! All I see is that to darken the shading, and mayeb brighten the ear pink. It is grayish pinkish. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 19:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried thickening the shading, and, I blended the ear pink more, lightening it, just a tad. I'm trying to make it look like Owlstar's ear pink, so I didn't lighten it a whole lot. Is this better? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:08, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Rainsplash (D) for approval

 * Sorry for not getting on for a long time! This was declined because I couldn't get on here, so I reposted it. I changed the the eye to the way the 'eye diagram' is, and someone mentioned not coloring a space between the paws, what space? It looks okay to me, but I'm not that experienced :P --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫  19:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, this looks fabulous! The only thing I can see that's wrong with it is the ear pink - I think it needs to be a little big bigger, right now it's miniature-sized.--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 19:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

There is the spot between the legs that is colored in. Other then that it looks great. --Spottedwing 00:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fix the colored spot, I'd be glad to start the 24 hours. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 15:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

'''Note: I'm sadly pretty busy and out and around now and for a couple more weeks, so I might not be able to get to my chararts quickly, please don't decline them... I'll do it ASAP. Thanks.''' <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 22:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Windflight- for approval

 * Since my Rainsplash was pretty much done, I decided to start another. It was my first try at a tabby, and I tried to get the more natural look that ones like the Mintfur picture had (Because the 'bunch of Ys' marking on many tabby chararts look a bit strange to me... they look like veins) and it looked okay at first, then I ran into some trouble with making the shading look even, because it made the markings look less distinct... but I figured I'd put it up here so I could get tips on how to fix that. Comments...? --<font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 20:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think he looks fabulous! Nothing wrong as far as I can see :)--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 21:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The tabby markings looks great, but the shading needs to be blended more and needs to be thicker and added on his chest.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 23:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)



Here - the circled area is the bit that shouldn't be coloured on both this and Rainsplash. It is a space and should be transparent like the background. Other than that just make the ear more triangular and this looks great! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 11:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I thought that the body would be showing through that space. Thanks for clearing that up :P I'll fix it on both as soon as I'm at the right computer again. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: I'm sadly pretty busy and out and around now and for a couple more weeks, so I might not be able to get to my chararts quickly, please don't decline them... I'll do it ASAP. Thanks. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 22:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Deadfoot- For approval
Here he is, I hor the paw is OK... My computer is fixed, and I'll get it back tomarrow ^^. It had this super weird error or something... -facepalm--- Darkhallows Lair 22:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The coloring and shading is great, I have only a couple things. First, there's a couple white pixels on his tail, remove those. Also, is the raised paw the twisted one? It looks a bit strange using that one because it looks a bit more like he just has a short leg... I think you might be able to make it look more twisted if you used a different leg, but that's just me. <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ 23:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This is pretty good except I think the ear pink could be a little bit brighter, You don't have to agree though... Bracken- 23:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You could make the ear pink lighter, because it's the same color as the scar on his muzzle. --Blackclaw09 20:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Changed the ear, though I left the paw the same.-- Darkhallows Lair 08:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

There's a white pixel on his paw, the one next behind his tail. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be there. --Blackclaw09 20:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

He has short fur. But I love his color. Does it say somewhere that he's longhaired? He's WindClan, and they generally have short fur. -- Bramble My Realm 00:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Cave-guard Blanks - For Approval


I made them a few days ago, but I was waiting until I could get to my computer. Here they are! Comments? --Blackclaw09 01:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The longhaired should have something else besides the few tufts of fur on their chest to show they're long hairs..Or you could make the shorthaired one with a skinner tail.--<span style="color::#FDD017; background:#FDD017; border:1px solid :#C11B17; -moz-border-radius: 1em; color: #C11B17;"> Shimmer'' ★ 03:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but to me, They look a bit fat rather than muscular... <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> Bracken- Leave me a meow!!! 04:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * They look all blobby and fat, and the lineart is uneven, and there should be no color, and the longhairs need more tufts around the body. --<span style="font:12px Comic Sans MS;display:inline;border:Silver 2px solid;background-color:#6699FF;padding:04px;"> Mal Sorrel-Wolf 12:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm on it! --Blackclaw09 13:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

They look a little..strange. Maybe thicken the lineart and make them more muscualr. Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 14:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Add a line on the shoulder to define the shoulder muscle. Change the direction of the line at the top of the front leg so it curves the other way. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:02, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

This better? Should I thicken the lineart on the back too? --Blackclaw09 20:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

They look like curious kits. User:Forestpaw13

Well they're not kits! They're looking at the sky for hawks. You know, like when the prey-hunters are hunting? (Sorry for getting so mad, I'm just so frustrated.)

Is there anything else I can work on? --Blackclaw09 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

These are pretty good! Just one thing: Don't color in the ear pink. ;) -- MU MB LE 785  22:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

separate into 4 pictures&lt;font style=background:black&gt;&#91;&#91;user:rainpelt&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot; font face=&quot;segoe script&quot;&gt;rain&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;yellow&quot; font face=&quot;segoe script&quot;&gt;pelt&lt;/font&gt;&#93;&#93;&lt;/font&gt; 23:55, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Take out the ear pink, and the paws need the toes like the other blanks. Make there body courve inward like real cats, as they look kind of fat now... You may want to resize them, because they look big to my. The long-hairs need to look more like long hairs, not just have a bigger tail.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 23:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploaded How are they now? I took out the ear pink and replaced it with an outline, and then I made them a bit smaller. I'm not so sure how to make the body curve though... can anyone explain it to me? --Blackclaw09 17:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Better, but take out the ear pink lineart, too... None of the other blanks have it. And what I meant by making it curve inward is make the stomach gradually curve in. Cave-guards are stocky cats, and they have a built like that. Take the pupil out of the eye in the short-hairs, or add them in the others.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 19:07, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The other rogue blank has it the ear pink lineart, but I'm not sure whether I should take it out or not. As for the stomach curve, I'll get to work on it tomorrow; my brother's using my laptop for a project. And I don't see a pupil in the eyes. I'll just draw a new eye tomorrow. --Blackclaw09 23:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait... there shouldn't be any lineart for the ear... I'll take it out when my brother gives me my computer back. --Blackclaw09 23:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the stomach, and ear pink lineart is gone now. Anything else? --Blackclaw09 13:01, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - (Most of these things are quick fixes)

1. The female shorthaired's back haunch isn't connected with the rest of the body.

2. The male longhaired still has ear pink lineart.

3. The male shorthaired's stomach needs thickened lineart, and it needs separtate sections on the toes like the rest of them.

4. Put the shorthaired's tail on the longhaired's, and make the shorthaired's tail much thinner. (Look at the warriors for referance.)

5. Round off their rumps a little bit, they're almost at 90 degree angles.

6. The stomach should go like you had it before, but then about halfway through it should start to go up. (I can draw you a diagram if you want.) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   15:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Whitestar- For Approval
My first white cat! *Fidgets Nervously* I'm still a little in the dark on shading, but, I'll get there, some day! What do you think of him? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 20:08, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe darken the area between his front legs. --Blackclaw09 20:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 21:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

The shading's a bit light, and it needs to be blended more. --Blackclaw09 21:17, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Or, does it need to be lighter/darker? -- Honeyfur Bob's Your Uncle! 16:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The ear pink is a bit light. You could darken it more. --Blackclaw09 17:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Gorsetail (Q) - For Approval
Okay, now the page is moving a little faster I feel I can finally put her up. I tried to keep the shading visible but was careful not to make it too dark as that was the problem with Brightflower. Constructments?

Whoopsie... forgot to sign! Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Very prettyful Sandy, one thing tho, shes crosseyed! Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 16:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Is the tail shaded? --Blackclaw09 20:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

The tail is shaded, and she's not cross-eyed, Hawkey. That's the normal way the queens' eyes have always been done. -- Bramble My Realm 00:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Firepaw- For Approval


Well here it is it took awile to get the shading good it still needs improvments though hope you like it! Stonestar 15:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

I like the color, Stonestar. But a few things, Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 16:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Theres no pupil in the eye
 * No shading, if there is darken it.
 * Blend the ear pink
 * Maybe add a few barely visible tabby stripes, because all ginger cats are tabbies.

Ok i did do shading but i'll darken it i'll fix the eye and blend the earmore thanks! Stonestar 18:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Is Firepaw short-haired or long-haired? I forgot. --Blackclaw09 21:01, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Short-haired. Your image is great, stonestar. :) -- MU MB LE 785  21:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not gonna put the tabby stripes just because the warrior version dosent have it i have to go i 'll get to it tomorrow. Stonestar 22:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Don't judge opinions based on my image. The reason I don't have tabby markings on the warrior version is because he looked strange with them. The leader version has them. Try making a copy, then putting tabby markings on it, so you'll still have an original version with tabby stripes, and another with just incase we don't like the way it looks. Also, you need more shading. If you need me to, I can make a diagram for you. ;) Nice image though, his color is perfect. -- MU MB LE 785  22:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok i'll do one with tabby markings and yes i do need help o shading i use pixlr. Also how do you do good tabby stripes? Stonestar 12:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Try looking at other approved images. That's the best advice I can give you. --Blackclaw09 13:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Darn! I made you a diagram, but my computer ate it up... Hold on... -- MU MB LE 785  18:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

!!I am going to Cedar Pointe tomorrow please dont delete this. --StonestarStonestar 14:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Apprentices?
Just an Idea, but I was thinking that we could have apprentices. They would be users that want to join Project Charart, and they would post saying they want to be an apprentice, then Bramble and/or Sandy could assign a warrior, a senior warrior, or themselves to mentor them. Then the mentor could help the apprentice by helping them get their first image accepted, and answering their questions, then they would become a warrior after their first image is accepted. It's just a suggestion, but I thought it would be fun and it would help the new users. The Apprentices could show their mentor the image on their mentor's talk page, and the mentor could help get them ready to show the image and try for getting it accepted. :) -- MU MB LE 785  21:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be cool, but Sandy or Bramble should discuss this. Besides, the other members need to work on their own charcats. They won't have time to mentor their apprentices. --Blackclaw09 22:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd have time. -- MU MB LE 785  22:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

It's for everyone to discuss Blackclaw :). Anyway I actually think it should be 2-3 images approved to become warriors, if this is accepted as an idea. Sand  wich  989  22:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you. :) -- MU MB LE 785  22:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Same here, to be honest. We already have a system in place that you cannot have more than one image up if you haven't had any approved yet. We could extend that by one or two images, give people the name 'apprentices', and encourage them to practise making images a lot, even if they don't post them. That's what I did! =D As for mentors, we have already discussed that many times, but If we were going to have them, they would probably last beyound apprenticeship as you pick up more things as you go, and some styles are usually only attempted by the most experienced members. It would be trying to have to wait months to become a warrior even if you get, like, 7 approved, because you can't learn just one skill. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 11:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Cough Cough* Somebody stole my idea. Look at what I wrote on the apprentice thing on another achive of the Project Talk page. -.- Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh! Sorry, Hawkfire!!! I didn't know. :( (I didn't even know that was a page... : -- MU MB LE 785  19:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I've created a forum on this, as this requires a lot of discussion and planning to make happen, and it's taking up space here. Link: here. Comment there! Will archive tomorrow. -- Bramble My Realm 00:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Longtail (E) - For approval


(M) - I'm back! Did you miss me?

...Yea, probably not. :P

Anyways, I feel bad for Longtail. He was forced to become an elder way too early because of his blindness. Also, he proves that even if you have done the wrong thing in the past, you can still do the right thing.

His description is so confusing! Gah! *Brain implodes* How can you have a pale tabby tom with dark black stripes? I made him a silver tabby because that is the only way I could see a tabby having black stripes. I can easily change the color if I need to. Oh, and I used striped tabby markings instead of classic this time becuase of him having dark black stripes. To show his blindness I made his pupil a very pale shade of gray. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   12:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I love him! A few things Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 15:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Try changing him to pale brown tabby, if it doesn't look good just keep it gray
 * I can barely see the eye color, try darkening it a little?

It looks pretty good to me, but I'm no expert at this. --Blackclaw09 17:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Hawkfire ~ I didn't make him brown becuase it looked extremely strange to have a brown tabby with black stripes. I'm not trying to be stubborn, trust me. I did fix his eye though. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   19:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - So what do I need to fix? ;) ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   21:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Longtail isn't gray... it may look weird for him to be a pale tabby with black stripes, but that's what he really is...Is there a ref anywhere that says he's gray? This looks like Darkstripe, except he never lived long enough to be an elder. -- Bramble My Realm 00:26, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Bramble ~ Ha, he does look like Darkstripe! I posted a second version, this one brown with black stripes. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   15:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

The second one looks alot more like Longtail. I don't think that anyone reserved Darkstripe. Mabie you could do Darkstripe when Longtail is apporved/declined with the tabby markings, If you want to of corse. The only thing I can see is I can't see his eye pupul. --User:Spottedwing 17:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I made the pupil light gray becuase I was trying to show his blindness. ₪ <span style="font:12px Papyrus;display:inline;border:Goldenrod 2px solid;background-color:white;padding:04px;"> MosswhiskerAndStealthfire   17:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Stoneteller
Since Stoneteller is the only healer we know, should we make a one-time blank for him or make a whole set of healers? --Nigthflight 20:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about this, too. I don't think we need a whole set, because there's only one Healer we know of, and they would be useless...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 00:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. A whole set of healers first off, would be difficult because there only is one healer that we know of, plus on the chance that it is approved, we would only be able to use one of the images for him. That's what I think. --Blackclaw09 13:08, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

~

Wasn't Rock a healer as well? Boltstar 14:13, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think he was, but even if he was, we would only need on blank. Stoneteller is a short-haired and Rock Is Short/hairless. (to make hairless, his skin would be light brownish pink.) -- MU MB LE 785  18:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Vicky, Vicky, why did you have to make so many different ranks?? Well, I personally think Stoneteller should be made as a leader. He leads his Tribe, received nine lives from the TOEH, and speaks with them. I know this will raise arguments... he does have a medicine cat side, too, as he uses herbs and consults with his ancestors. But is it really worth making a blank that will only be used once? Twice, if we're lucky. I am not strongly set in this, however. If it is decided that we should make a healer blank, I'll be fine with that. -- Bramble My Realm 00:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Ripplestar - For Approval
It's halloween! xD When I saw his description, I had to do him. :3 Comments?--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

xD He looks great. But wouldn't his spots be reverse-colored? (Black on orange instead of Orange on Black) -- MU MB LE 785  21:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it could be either way... But I can't image a orange cat with black spots, because I've seen a black and orange cat that was mainly black with white details.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 21:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Lighten the eye just a tad, because he has yellow eyes and these are amber. And try putting orange patches like Tallstar's black patches, I don't really like the spots. (I am not saying that you did bad) :) Hawkfire ♫  Go Aggies! 13:18, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I did a search to see what a black and orange cat would look like and they were really just torites. Here's an example. - Skyfeather <font color="lightblue" style="background:white;"> '95  16:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't feel guilty, but I had started Ripplestar, and didn't finish him, but mine looks like this: As I said, He wasn't finished (no head blending yet :-P), but I thought you could use him as an example maybe. -- MU MB LE 785  19:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Join
can i join the charart project?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;DeepPink; background:Aquamarine; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:DeepPink;"> ♫ Shimmer ღ 17:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Stormtail - for approval
Well, here's Stormtail, father of our famous Bluestar. He's my first solid-colored cat, so the shading probably needs improvements. Comments/criticism?<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 18:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

WOW! He looks great flawless except maybe make the ear a little bit darker. Stonestar 19:41, 8 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Robinwing (TC) - for approval
Well, I was feeling ambitious, so I made my first queen! Presenting... Robinwing of ThunderClan! I tried to get the patch of ginger on the chest right, but if it needs to be a different color or something just let me know. Comments/criticism?--<span style="color:Turquoise;background:Navy;font-family:Futura Md BT;border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> Echomist <font color="Silver" style="background:Purple">Look out for flying hedgehogs! 19:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good! The only thing I can think of for now would be the chest color. It's a little bit pinker than it should be... But that's my opinion. You may want one of the higher ranks to agree with me first, though... -- MU MB LE 785  19:49, 8 August 2009 (UTC)