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Queen Blanks ~ Declined
Righty-o. Here we go with the queen blanks. Comment away my friends. ^w^ 09:42 Tue May 28

I'm no expert on this but maybe square up the shape of this --> forepaw and define where the du-claw'd be. I can't really explain how, the but maybe slope the haunch a bit more, it looks kinda flat compared to the shoulders. Gorgeous work, Berry! 22:15, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ---> this leg could be curved a tad? 22:50 Tue May 28

Maybe you could make both sides of the longhair's tail fluffy? The straight line looks a bit odd. 01:18, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think you could define the top of the nearest shoulder a bit? Also you might disconnect the line on the same shoulder from the head. As is it looks a bit awkward. You also might define the joints a bit more on the other leg and even out the sizes of the ears. Though I doubt you'd need it, if you need a redline feel free to ask. 2:06 Thu May 30 2013

Maybe the tail can be curved a tad more --- no cat's tail is that straight when they walk. 23:22, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Breezy I wouldn't say no to a redline. xD 06:18 Fri May 31

Re-uploaded meh I did some stuff on the shorthair - decided I'll work on the longhairs later. 12:45 Fri May 31

Maybe slant the toe line on her left front paw the other way, or make it straight up and down? And maybe make a small line over the base of her tail where it joins with her haunch on our left; just to show a little more depth. These are really stunning... 00:43, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the hind paw a bit more and maybe define the "ankle" of the leg that's just behind the lifted forepaw 01:24, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

How about these? Ignore the face, though. Yours is fine. Except for maybe the sizes of your ears, which should be more even. 15:48 Mon Jun 3 2013

Re-uploaded officially naming these blanks Hannibal because they look like they want to eat you. 08:17 Fri Jun 7

Umm... what happened to these? They look odd. different. 10:26, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps thin and even out the tail lineart a little. 10:33 Sat Jun 8

Re-uploaded. Sorrrel, I was given a redline by Breezy to fix up some anatomy issues. .-. Please do not call my blanks odd, and don't comment unless you're offering critique. 10:45 Sat Jun 8

I'm sorry, Berry. I was just surprised by how different they looked. 12:02, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't know if this'll make any sense, but can you make the curve around our front right paw more noticeable? 13:20, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

The hind thigh looks lumpy. Maybe smooth it out a bit more? The tail seems bigger than the body. Also, define the front right paw (the one that is not on the ground). 15:03, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm very confused; when you go to the file for this is shows that it looks more like the original version; here it looks like the redline Breezey gave you. Is the wiki playing up? Just asking. 01:39, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe shorten the whiskers by a few pixels, make the tail a bit thinner and maybe shrink her front paws and her right (her right) back paw a just a little. 16:28, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

The bottom of the tail on <--- this side looks like it has an extra line on it, the front part of the belly (or chest?) doesn't look like it connects to the belly smoothly, and the shape of the paws look...off? to me. I don't really know how to explain it, but something about the digits on the paws seem to be throwing me off. 00:49, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working, Berry? 18:28, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Yes- sorry for the lack of re-uploads, I've not had access to a computer. The line on the tail, Ivy, is a bit of fur and I'll keep it unless someone else says otherwise. and the Hannibal eyes stay eheheheh 07:35 Fri Jun 14

Possibly smoothen the lineart on the back? (there's like a little place where it rises :P) 12:21, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 04:08 Sat Jun 15

Smooth out the hind food and make the actual part that touches the ground smaller and less bulbous. 4:14 Sat Jun 15 2013

Re-uploaded 04:17 Sat Jun 15

Thin the tail more. 10:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to keep the tail as it is unless someone else agrees. 14:33 Sat Jun 15

Can you make the legs and paws a bit thinner too? 15:40, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

I honestly think it's fine. 16:18, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Can you taper the end of the tail a bit more at the tip and the lifted paw looks a little too splayed 00:28, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Sorrel. If you think about a real cat, the tail gets thinner at the tip. It does not look that way now - and these are the short-hair blanks after all. I do not want to sound rude. Please don't shoot me! 02:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shorten whiskers by a few pixels? 18:44, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the hind paw just a tad and thin out the tail like Hawk and Sorrel said? Other than that, these are honestly fine. Thistleflight (talk) 22:51, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please remove the dots above the head? It's a style thing and doesn't go with the style of any of the blanks we have. And yes, I agree the tail need to be thinned out a ton. It's almost thicker than the legs right now. Make the dew claw stick out less on the front paw, and make the back paw a more defined shape rather than a really smooth kinda soft line that makes it look too round and blobby. Shrink the paws quite a bit too, they're much too big for a cat in comparison to the leg size. Clean up the whisker lineart so it's a bit smoother, and maybe vary the lengths of the whiskers. Lastly, the chest is in front of the legs, so at this angle, the line for the chest should go over the far front leg, rather than the line that shows the leg connecting with the body being in front. Honestly, I thought it was mostly fine before and only needed a few minor tweaks, but... :/

Re-uploaded I tried a thing with the front paw but I can change it back if needed. I had issues with the hind paw...a lot of issues. e.e 10:39 Wed Jun 19

Her front paw that's on the ground is bigger then the others. 14:29, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Her back right paw looks as if it is pointing outward, could you possibly make it so it looks like we're looking at it straight on? Those paws look great already, but if you need a little reference, I found this. Also, on the base of her tail, there's just a little stray line there. And last, could you make that line on the back of her foreleg on her shoulder (one that is lifting up the paw off the ground) straight instead of curving in? <span style="">19:30 Thu Jun 20

The front left leg could be curved a tad more. Also, the lifted front paw should be curved more as well. Also, I find that the queen looks a little scrawny. I hate to sound rude, but honestly, I liked it better the way you had it before, but... x-x 00:35, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's some pixels on the part where the (our left) part of her tail meets her body, and they look a bit odd. Like Hawk and Paleh, I preferred the version before, but this is good all the same. 01:45, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Er, yeah, like Sorrel and Hawk, I liked the ones you made before (your first ones better, I don't want to sound rude). Maybe upload it back and just curve the front paw justa scinch.Thistleflight (talk) 21:57, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay guys I can see you're all hinting at it, but do you want me to just go ahead and bring back the ones I had before and change what's been told? sighs because I much prefer these but I guess majority rules <span style="">06:44 Tue Jun 25 06:44, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, yes, you really should put the original blanks back. Maybe with a few minor adjustments, though. Thistleflight (talk) 22:34, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well I think it'd be easier on your side with what changes will need to be made to fit style and anatomy with the old blanks. Of course they'd still need a couple tweaks, but I think it'd be easier overall for you. These are still good though, and it's ultimately up to you I believe.

Reverting back to the "original" blanks may be a bit more drastic than need be, especially since you'd basically loose all that progress of getting some aspects of the anatomy, as it is currently, looking well done. Maybe overlay the original and the current version and figure out any extremities that might need fixing with reference from Raelic's redline like the forepaws and the tilt to the back paws. Good job, Berry. 22:55, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think you should change back. I'm sure other users would be *Dives behind brick wall* okay  with the decision. It matches the other linearts much better and, like Paleh said, would only need a few more tweaks. Great job on everything Berry! 23:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

I do believe Berry gets the point of multiple users preferring her original blanks. I ask that if you're going to comment on the blanks, please comment on what she has uploaded, as the message of a majority of users wanting the other blanks back has very easily been proven. Seriously guys, enough already; she gets the point.

Agreeing with what Cloudy said above; these are the blanks that she has uploaded. Berry prefers these blanks and these are hers to work with and manage. We've already put a lot of effort on these blanks to make them the way they are now, and it seems almost like a waste of that effort to go right back. Both blank styles are beautiful, but like Cloudy said, these are the ones uploaded, and the ones we should be sticking with. I like these ones we have now, but right now isn't the place for opinions, I believe. <span style="">03:06 Mon Jul 1

I'm actually having a lot of trouble with the anatomy on these blanks, combining the older with the newer ones and stuff. If anyone could offer up a redline, it would be hugely appreciated. <span style="">11:06 Wed Jul 3

Here. I tried, seriously. It may not be that amazing but I tried. 16:58, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay so I found the image I used as a ref for the original blanks and messed around I know it sucks plz don't rub it in. <span style="">05:17 Mon Jul 8

She looks... rather stocky and muscly. Flatten the shoulder and back so they don't rise so much. Add toes to the paw that's off the ground. 20:37, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lengthen the shoulder a bit where it meets their back. These are fantastic, Berry! Thistleflight (talk) 21:31, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

In the picture I referenced this from, that is how the back and shoulder look. The way th lifted paw is raised, as well, would make no toes visible, and if they were the paw would look crooked. I'd rather not touch these thing unless someone else agrees. <span style="">04:40 Tue Jul 9

I was going to do this pose as well when I entered, but I saw you used it already. Referencing back to the original image, I'd say the shoulder should end just above the tip of the right ear (the cat's right, /not/ our's), and the lifted hind paw should have two toes visible, so one toeline should be on it. Berry, these are wonderful ^-^ <span style="">23:55, 07/9/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">04:54 Wed Jul 10

No I really agree the toes should be defined on the front paw that's off the ground. For them not to be visible at all, the toes would have to be really curled, which isn't very natural. They wouldn't be super defined in this position, but they'd be very clearly visible.

The lineart looks choppy in places, could you smoothen it out a bit? One way to do this is add a few pixils to the edges where it curves and it gives the illusion of smoothness  21:08, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Also, now that I have a bit more time to comment, the shoulder of the paw on the ground is much too defined and large right now, and the place where it connects to the head is lined up in a way that it doesn't look connected to the actual leg. Try and follow the curve of where the lines would be if they were visible. The front paw that's on the ground also looks a bit twisted with that extra line on our left side. I'm not sure if that's the dew claw or a line to try and define the paw some more. If it's the dew claw, make it stick out a bit from the leg, so it appears more like an actual toe that has mass to it. The chest needs to follow the curve of the belly more, and as I said before, the chest would be in front of our right front leg at this angle. The place the elbow connects to the body shouldn't be visible. Try and thin out the haunch a bit, as she's starting to look a bit just overall chubby rather than pregnant. Our right back leg seems to both be oddly positioned (too high and too far to our left) and doesn't quite look clearly like a paw. It looks more like the bend in the leg right now, but nothing goes past the bent front foot that would show. Try and make the tail a bit more of a consistent thickness, only getting slightly thinner at the tip, and overall just slim it down a bit. Also, the eyes look a bit odd right now, like they don't quite match the way the other was drawn (trust me, I know what a pain they can be x.x), try and pick either one of them and make the other eye match a bit better. I do believe with cats, the back leg doesn't have a dew claw, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, please remove that. And try and make the shape of the back paw curve with where the toes would be, rather than just a random kind of "guessed" curve with toes added in. That's a bit hard for me to explain, and if it doesn't make sense I can redline that part. And finally, the whiskers still look kind of choppy and just not very smooth at all, try and smooth them out.

The bridge of the nose seems a little thick and straight and is throwing off the nose. The nose doesn't really look like a cat's nose, it looks more like a triangle. The muzzle needs to be smoothed out more, and the eyes' lineart seems to be choppy in places. Also, the front left (our right) leg looks like it bending in a bunch of directions and the lineart is choppy. The face sort of reminds me of one of my grade-school bus-drivers. *shudders*  21:22, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah gonna be away til Thursday so I'll upload then. <span style="">22:35 Mon Jul 15

I'm not trying to sound mean or anything but it has been 19 days since you reuploaded and 14 days since you said that you would update this, so I have to inquire if you're still working on this? 16:34, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

I am, but I'm having a lot of trouble with them. I don't know if anyone would perhaps be able to offer up a redline, because I'm seriously lost. <span style="">12:00 Wed Jul 31

Redlinin' it up~ Hope this helps <span style="">00:43, 08/1/2013


 * Yeah, don't use ^^that one, I forgot stuff. Use this one. I seriously hope this helps, but since I know almost nothing of the anatomy of a cat, this is the best I could do to help c: <span style="">19:19, 08/1/2013

Re-uploaded <span style="">06:05 Sat Aug 3

Where did her eye pupils go? 10:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Make the thigh less flat. Also, >>>this front leg seems to be very thick, also can you curve it more? The tail seems a bit...lumpy. 13:13, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

The lifted forepaw looks a bit small compared to the body and define the toes on it 01:58, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't really like the way how sharply < this back leg curves. Perhaps lighten the curve? And also, the tail look a little thick for a short-haired queen, so if you could thin that a little, that'd be great. 12:26, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think the lineart looks rather thick in places. 17:33, August 5, 2013 (UTC)

The face looks lumpy. Make the thigh rounder. 01:10, August 6, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 20:03, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

Front --> leg is a little thick and straight. And as for the thickness, a lineart width of 2 pixels would look best. Wow, good job! <span style="">08:19 Sat Aug 10

Oh yeah, and shorthair tails don't taper or grow thicker. They sort of stay the same from base to tip, except the tip is normally like, rounded at the tip. <span style="">17:24 Sat Aug 10

Yes, still working, but I've not had much of a chance to use a computer the past few days. I'll upload about Monday (for me, about Sunday-ish for you guys.) <span style="">08:34 Sat Aug 10

I suggest curving the tail a bit more at the top, and readjusting the tail lineart to go along side with it, so that it's easier to deal with. Just a suggestion, though. 00:52, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded look, I'm sorry guys but I've just been so busy and I just feel like crap. Added to that shitloads of homework and constant teasing and nonstop name-calling and you get a very distracted Berry who is about to break. <span style="">07:13 Mon Aug 19

The back paw looks unnatural. Maybe just smooth out the back paw a little bit. Dewfire (talk) 04:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

In the back on the <--- paw, there's a stub. I'm not sure what it is, but I think you should get rid of it. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 20:47, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, maybe make the tail more curvy at the tip and curve this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:33, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the face face looks choppy in some places and smooth out this <--- hind paw a bit. 18:35, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's okay berry, everyone has times in their life where things suck, take your time. The wrist area (or whatever) on the right front paw looks a bit thin, but slightly in an unnatural way. Can you make it thicker?

The tail is still shaped unnaturally... I'm sorry ;.; Just remember life has its ups and downs, and right on this screen you've got a whole society full of understanding leads and lowerclass users who respect you and admire your talent. Stay strong Berry :3 <span style="">03:57 Tue Aug 27

Oh and, I wanted to use your blanks in a personal image and tweaked the lineart for anatomical purposes. Link is here. Play around with the opacities and colors to help you make the blanks. hope this helps :3 <span style="">04:33 Tue Aug 27

The back right (their left) hind leg is in an awkward position, and the face is much too round. I hate to say this but face on your very first version were one of my favorites. The chest is kind of awkward, and the left foreleg (our right) should be curved a tad, and it is too large. The paws are too square, and the tail needs to be smoothed out. The bridge of the nose should be curved a bit more and the eyes should be more oval shaped. The ears are on an awkward angle. The right (our left) whiskers need to be made longer. 22:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

The paws look blobby and maybe make the nose more realistic like a cat's and instead of a basic triangle. 20:32, August 30, 2013 (UTC)

I feel really bad about saying this, Berry, but you've been working on this for over 3 months now and I feel like you still haven't made a sufficient amount of improvement, and that lately you haven't been very active. I really, really love these blanks, im so sorry ;.; School and especially bullying is really hard to cope with, but I feel like it's for the good of the project. ;.; <span style="">04:34 Tue Sep 3

It's not entirely her fault she's without a computer sometimes. Regardless, it will be discussed, I guess, as to what should be done with the blanks. While I don't mind letting Berry keep them, that's just my opinion. What say you, guys? The opinions of two are not the entire project consensus, mind you.

I think we should let Berry continue to work on them. Like you said, Cloudy, it's not her fault she's without a computer at times, and so far, she's done a great job with the blanks. Instead, in the chat didn't we go through this discussion that for making new blanks they can have as much time as they want/need? And her school isn't helping either, by the sound of it. I think we should let her continue to work, and give her comfort in her time of need right now. So yeah, I believe we should let her continue to work on them. Love you, Berry <3 c: 12:57, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Raven. Berry has done a terrific job with these blanks so far, and it isn't her fault she does not have computer access 100% of the time. She should be allowed longer to work on them. 14:33, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

I also agree that Berry ought to have more time on these blanks. I myself am beginning to really taste how busy life can get. Also, by the way, could you link us to your reference photo, Berry, if you have one? I just want to see the layout of the pose we are capturing with this blank, and I'd be happy to make another redline for you if you need it. 19:54, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

So long as Berry shows continued interest in making these blanks, she should get to continue working on them, the project did the same for me when it took half of a year. 06:09, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

This is the image I used for the original blanks. I'd hugely appreciate a redline, thank you. I'm going to try and reupload asap after I get this redline. I'm sorry, I'm taking so long with these, I feel bad I'm making you all wait, but I've got crap going on, high school's tough, it's an effort for me to do anything atm. Again I'm sorry. <span style="">12:59 Mon Sep 9

Hmmm....the tail needs extensive tweaking. It needs to be curved-ish, and the tail could be a little longer. But good job! <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #3EC2FA ; background: #FADD20 ; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> Gingerpetal @she-cat central  StarClan enlightening~  12:43, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think the length of the tail is fine, honestly.

The thickness of the legs doesn't seem quite consistant; maybe thicken the lifted foreleg and thin out the one on the ground? Straighten the back of the hind leg, it looks like the bone is twisting under her body. And maybe "pooch out" (in lack of a better comparison) the haunch/flank a bit more. 04:16, September 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm. Lemme see if I can make a redline for you. 19:45, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe try these? I could only manage the tail, paws and a bit of the eye; I couldn't really manage the face. 21:05, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

The cat's front right leg looks a little skinny next to the cat, and the front left leg seems a little too straight. Other than that, wonderful job! Emberpoppy (talk) 01:12, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Here is the redline. I deeply apologize for being so late; lots of homework and I haven't been looking around the project pages as much as I should. As for that back leg on <-- this side, I made it straight because it is a bit simpler to sketch the leg like that. Again, sorry, hope this helps out. 02:27, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, so Berry has told me that I can take these over. Reuploaded. Comment away, friends. <span style="">18:29, 09/27/2013

The head and body look rather large compared to her tail and legs. Maybe shrink them a bit? 20:56, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

If you don't mind me saying this Ferk, but can you tweak the face? To me, it does not look "female-enough" and looks a tad chubby. Also, the bridge of the nose can be curved more. The nose looks unnatural, and maybe make the shoulder of the lifted paw larger? Also, could you maybe make the front leg on the ground curved a tad. I love the tail and the paws. Great job! 22:28, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Ferk, if you could, do you mind telling me where Berry gave you permission to take over her blanks? Like, was it in chat or something? I believe you and all, but I just wanted to have it said somewhere on the wiki that you do in fact have her permission to take over, that way no one can accuse you of trying to steal the blanks from her and all of that fun stuff that comes with it.


 * It's okay, Skye, I gave her permission in chat. I'd been thinking of withdrawing them and Ferk offered to take them over. ^_^ <span style="">05:22 Sat Sep 28

define the paw "shape" of the back <-- paw? Sorry for being unclear... lol that tail is so hard to work with, good job! ^-^ <span style="">04:44 Thu Oct 3

Reuploaded. <span style="">20:57, 10/4/2013

This is amazing! I love the face! It looks so..delicate. c: Maybe you could smooth out the belly a bit more? It looks a bit lumpy. And at that stance, it would hang down in almost a perfect sphere. [In some cases. In others, like depending how long the cat has been pregnant, it would probably hang down differently. :3 ] Keep up the good work, Ferk! Hey that rhymes! xD 12:24, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe push together the whiskers hanging off the face on the right side, and make the, er, place where the claw comes out of, aka here on this epic cat, longer and curve it a bit more. This is amazing, Imma lovin the tail! &#9786;      Ⓐ   Ⓜ  Ⓑ  Ⓔ  Ⓡ    Ⓢ Ⓗ Ⓘ  Ⓝ  Ⓔ    Hope  comes  with  FLYING OREOS <span style="">16:48 Mon Oct 7

I think you mean the dew claw c: but if it's not I swear to god I'll have a go at Katryn Lasky. She said in one of her books that it's called a dew claw, but she makes up so many words in her series. Anywho, Maybe flatten the lower part of her back and the back of neck (I think) a bit? They look like camel humps x3 Nice job so far! 18:04, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

To add on to what Ravenfrost said, it's not that it's "lumpy", so to say... but it curves a little awkwardly. I don't know exactly where it would curve, but perhaps smooth it out? I apologize I'm not good with anatomy.

^ Yes, what Cloudy said, was what I was trying to say. Don't beat yourself up, I'm not good with words either. ;) 23:56, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

The slope of the chest from her front left paw is a little awkward, maybe smooth it out a bit? Emberpoppy7 (talk) 20:08, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Enlarge the shoulder of the paw that's off the ground. 20:56, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

The front paw on the ground, looks like she's walking on the side of her foot, enlarge and tilt? Wow, this is amazing! and btw, Ember, you stated what was argued exactly above, please don't repeat comments :). <span style="">00:45 Thu Oct 10

Maybe move these ---> whiskers more closer together, to match the other side of the face. This is amazing, good job! 14:14, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 14:17, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

The front leg on the ground when it goes up to the head it just... stops. try curving it or something --Eagletalon44 (talk) 22:40, October 15, 2013 (UTC)Eagletalon

Okay, I do apologize, but these need to get done, and they can't sit here without at least some progress. Ferk, I'm sorry, but I need to decline these. Now, since they've been up for a while, I'd rather someone with previous experience take over on these, and I believe that just "passing them off" to the next person that asks shouldn't be how this is done. The stance should be kept as well, since it's the one we voted on.

May I take over? I am very active an dedicated. 00:15, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well I've been called in since I was second place in the original vote, and I'd be willing to give them a shot. o3o

Well, aside from Berry, you did get the highest amount of votes on the forum we used to vote, so it's really only fair that you get a chance to work on them as well...

/If/ I let Paleh take over, will she replace these blanks with her versions of will she continue to work on these ones? Because this is what I have done /if/ I may re-upload. But it's only fair for Paleh, so I guess I'll give these to her. o3o Please be active, we all know how long we've waited for these blanks. ^-^ 00:44, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Um, you aren't in the position to give her permission- you took over the blanks before the leads had a chance to announce that we chose Paleh to take over. You never had any right to them in the first place, and they aren't yours. Scar, Skye, and a few others senior warriors, along with I, got together and discussed this. 01:03, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

First off, who said I was is position to "give" her permission? I already withdrew them, thank you. I don't mean to get snippy with this. I know they aren't mine. And second, if I was here faster, how would I have known that Paleh was called in? And also, I said, and I quote: "May I take over? It was only a question, and you could have just said Paleh was called in. I accept that. 20:50, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, what Leggo is talking about, Hawk, is the "If I let Paleh take over". To her, and to me as well, it seemed like you'd already claimed the blanks for yourself, and you also reserved them. We hadn't gotten a chance to say that we'd asked Paleh, since not long after I declined them, you'd asked if you could take over and thus reserved them without waiting for an answer. There's no need to be snippy at all, honestly. We hadn't gotten a chance to say anything because the gun was jumped, so to say. I believe either Leggo or Paleh was going to say something after I was done declining the blanks but they hadn't gotten a chance due to an edit conflict or something along those lines? Seriously just everyone stop the fighting, I'm begging you. I can't deal with this crap anymore and it needs to stop, on all sides. And if it continues, I can and will exert my powers as deputy and make it stop. We all clear? Good. And this isn't to anyone in particular. It's to everyone in PCA.

. :O Yes Cloudy... But it was spelled /if/ so I wasn't sure whether or not I was supposed to or not. But now, these are officially Paleh's. I'm sorry for everything, really. 20:55, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hawk, there's no need to be sorry, little harm was done. And is it okay if we archive these? It's taking such a big space on the approval page, and it would help the clutter if we just added a new section. 00:16, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Misty. 00:25, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ For Approval
Phew..Wanty, you are one amazing artist to be able to do this. c: Well, I tried my best. c: Comment away! 21:40, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think the earpink needs to fill a little more of the ear?

The texture seems to fade when it reaches the shading, and I don't see the light source. Blur the shading and define the pale parts on the rogue. 22:18, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My texture looks more amazing then I thought it would. o.o I surprise myself..xD 02:46, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the chest texture flow more with the body? 03:43, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

And perhaps smudge it and add different layers of varying intensity? As it is, it doesn't appear to match the rouge slightly. You're on the right path though, and it's getting there. Could you also have the shading flow a little better with the shape of the cat? On the haunch, for example, it appears to be a straight line, when I believe it should curve a little more...

I think I see some waste on the far side on the far ear, and there seem to a few lighter areas at the top part of the tail near the tip. Awesome job, though. 14:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, the body texture seems closer to the real thing than when I did it. Anyway, the highlights seem to be uneven so can you fix that (make them more even)? Thanks for the compliment. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 23:13, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hope that fixed what everyone was asking...Thanks Cloudy, Bluestar, and Wanty. c: You're welcome, Wanty. You're an amazing artist. 14:01, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think there is some lineart missing on the tail, the area on the body where the tail overlaps the body, the underide of the legs, and by the far eye. Could just be me though. 14:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I just checked the lineart and I saw nothing missing..but keep up the good work, Frosty! 14:59, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

The lighter chest and muzzle do not seem to be there, and make the shading blend into the pelt more, and you can do that by blurring it tons. I know shading darkness is artist's choice, but can you lighten the shading, which will help it blend?(Not too light, though)  Also, make the earpink fill the whole ear. 20:46, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the shading curve a bit up a more on the end of his haunch/back? 23:07, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Rave. c: 12:32, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading overall.

Define the light on the forepaws. 17:48, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

It may just be my iPad again but the shading shows up completely black. May I also ask to shade a little of the chest? It's a bit flat. <span style="">02:12 Mon Oct 14

I think it's your iPad, because it doesn't look that dark to me. o.O

Re-uploaded. I understand the different views..My computer is at a high stand, so I kinda get the effect of you looking up at it and it's that weird blue-white thing. xD So I have to stretch myself up a bit before I examine my own image, or someone elses. But yeah, it doesn't appear that dark to me. And instead, if I did lighten it, then it wouldn't match the rogue. *shrugs* 12:33, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blurred lineart on the tail. wow, this is so much better than my attempt I did on my computer e.e <span style="">00:55 Tue Oct 15

Re-uploaded. Thank you. :3 13:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there's no shading on the chest whatsoever. Should that be like that? I highly doubt that, given your light source. It's the same one I use on my StarClan blanks, I believe. Which those have light sources lol

Re-uploaded. I'm liking the new name, Snowman! c: lol those are where I took my inspiration for my shading, thank goodness it's a correct one! xD 13:09, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm the chest is shaded on the wrong side it caves in <span style="">05:45 Fri Oct 18

He needs the rumpled fur, I believe, since he wasn't mentioned without it in StarClan.

Re-uploaded. Hope this was what you were looking for.. 20:29, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the rumples match more? 21:16, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this was what Hawkeh meant but could you make the rumples look more like the fur? Right now they look like a bunch of lines. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 02:28, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I believe that she means make then match the rogue's. 13:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Sorrel. That's what I meant. Thank you for explaining. 15:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make the rumples... go with the fur, as well? Like, flip the ones of the side round to go with the flow of the fur. 21:03, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why would she have to match the rumples with the rogue's? I believe that should be artist's choice. 12:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. It's whatever..Anyway, I redid him to match the rogue more. I darkened him to match, made the texture to match, and even followed the rumple style, and made it flow with the fur. Sorry it's been a few days, I've been busy. Hope it looks good. c: 12:39, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

The texture is a little too defined. Decrease the opacity? 00:33, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Oakheart (Alt W 2) ~ For Approval
Twas' called 'fox-coloured'. Comments? 16:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

The texture appears to get lost in the shading. At least I believe that's a texture?

Define/add depth to the shading? Also, define the eye depth. Looking good o3o 18:12, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I like this. c: The ear looks a little flat, and, as far as I can see, I don't see any shading on the front paw farthest from us. I may be slightly copying Beebs' comment, but not exactly. Keep up the good work, Sorrel! 20:07, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I really hate to say this, Sorrel, but wouldn't this be kind of like my "flame-colored" version of Red? Fox-colored is only a few shades away from reddish-brown/russet? 20:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hawk, you're the one that mentioned fox-coloured in the first place. There's around seven agreeing people on the talk. 21:13, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, oops! Sorry about that, I guess it was just a misunderstanding... >.< 21:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink? <span style="">13:35 Wed Oct 16

Reups! I'm much more proud of this, thanks to a tip Hawk gave me. I used lighter lines as well as darker this time for texture c: changes may not be showing yet. 14:17, October 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * O!!!!!!!! THATS BEAUTIFUL SORREL!!! Sorry to be a buzz-kill, but, I can't see any shading (sorry). ITS STILL BEAUTIFULLL!! <span style="">14:24 Wed Oct 16

WHOA CREAM. THANK YOU! But I can see it perfectly fine... but does anyone else think that I should define/darken the shading? 14:44, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Really? The debate on the talk page is still going. Sorry, but until we come to a decision this should really be declined. <span style="">16:19 Wed Oct 16 2013

But there are many agreeing opinions on the topic, so I'm sure this is just fine. I can't believe I brought this up yet I totally forgot about it... XD This looks great, Sorrel! Maybe smudge the earpink into the fur to give it more of a furry look and to go with the texture. 20:50, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! yes, I think so, Hawk. And thank you! 22:08, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Okay there hasn't been a comment for barely two days and this is still being discussed. Seriously people, waiting awhile to make a charart is not going to kill you, I'm glad to see that you're eager but we need to wait a bit longer because people can think it over and change their minds. Not making a charart won't kill you, I promise. ;) 22:20, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Technically, there isn't any consensus required to post an image. If she wants to keep it up, she's allowed to, and there really isn't much else that can be done. If an opinion about it is asked, and Sorrel wants to post it, she's allowed to do that, since the general opinion is that it's allowed. But, that could always change, and remember though, if it's decided that he doesn't get it, this will be declined.

Just popping in real quick. I believe there was a general agreement to not accept chararts for color comparisons, like fox-colored or dirt-colored or anything of the sort, since there's much too much variation in what those descriptions could mean. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

But there was seven agreements and only two disagreements on this, so it's fine, I'd say. 23:50, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

And also, there are many other chararts out there that have color comparisons, Paleh, so he'd still get this if they all have those. 01:41, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Psst. Comments? 20:46, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Is there a way that the ear pink could be made... Hmm... Okay lemme say this; Right now, and I mean no offense at all since I'm bad with words, it appears to be just filling in the ear area. Maybe you could play around with that to give it some variation?

Reups! how's this? 21:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

The other characters had those alts because they were made before that discussion to my knowledge. And depending on exactly what happened with the discussion about whether color comparison alts should be banned completely, it may not matter what the opinions were on this specific case. I don't know what happened with that discussion exactly, but if it became an actual rule in any way, I'm pretty sure the agreements for this alt wouldn't really matter, unless they were agreements to get rid of the rule. (again, if it was officially made a rule)

Define the shading on the tail apart from the actual pelt color. <span style="">00:23 Mon Oct 21

Reups well what if, say, you had a cream cat who was called 'cloud-coloured'? You can't get cream coloured clouds, to my knowledge. And anyway, there was more votes of yes to this alt then no, nay was only two disagreements. 07:55, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Blizzardwing (A) ~ For Approval
Raven. You are amazing to make this look so good. Mine is a blob compared to yours. Anyway, I really need the hex codey for the ears, and Loonie, mind giving that to me? If changes aren't showing, go there >. Comment away, my friends. <span style="">18:25 Wed Oct 16

Smooth out the shading. 18:27, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reups. <span style="">18:32 Wed Oct 16

Blur the shading and make it bluer and he should be less yellow. For any colours you may need, refer to my previous comment on the declined image. Your mottles need to be less like dots, and in two different shades of grey and cream. Try downloading a brush pack--I used the Confetti brush that comes with GIMP as well as another brush that I had downloaded. As for the earpink, refer to my comment on the declined image again. 20:52, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Aww, thanks Amber. c: Yours doesn't look half bad, though! As for the earpink, I recommend the hex code #b87576. Since I was told from Loonie to take it from Donut. :3 I'll also give you every hex code I was given from Loonie to make the image look identical to the warrior, along with the correct order of layers:

Layer 1: Solid white.

Layer 2: Very, very pale gray texturing.

Layer 3: Pale yellow mottles: #ebecbf [75% Opacity]

Layer 4: Pale gray mottles: #c6c7c7 [100% Opacity]

Layer 5: Shading: #1a3952

Layer 6: Highlights: #feffa0 and white on the nose, chest, and top of the tail.

Hope those instructions helped. That's how I noted Loonie's instructions, and they helped out tons. As for my critique, I recommend smudging the gray mottles very slightly. Currently, they look like gray blots. And also, I see no visible yellow mottles. Keep up the good work, Amber! If you need more detailed help, be free to leave a message on my talk. c: 01:19, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Thats okay! And thanks, both comments really helped. If changes are not showing. <span style="">08:54 Thu Oct 17

The gray mottles need to be bigger, same with the yellow ones. I once did this, so I have a bit of an idea...I believe the shading has to match more, andas for the mottles, try doing each one on a size 30..on a confetti or airbrush, or whatever works for you. Keep up the good work! 13:04, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, hey. You see, I made this tutorial for Raven a while back, based on a copy of blizz I made from blivvy's instructions. I can send you it via e-mail if you supply me with one via talk page. I also have video footage as well so I can send you that too. Just leave me an email and ill get right to it! ^-^ <span style="">05:42 Fri Oct 18

Reups! Thanks Frosty! And Kelps, I'd prefer to give it to you by chat, for privacy and that rubbish. <span style="">15:55 Fri Oct 18

He still looks too yellow. 19:22, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, don't forget that he needs to have a fur texture, or it'll never match. 19:23, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Raven, his fur can't have the dots. Smudge them? Make them less yellow?? This is a great charart, Amber!! <span style="">02:01 Sun Oct 20

Reups! Thanks Cream! I erased some yellow and put in the fur texture. <span style="">15:47 Sun Oct 20

Smudge the mottles? 21:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste there on the back. Looks great! <span style="">00:21 Mon Oct 21

Reups! Thanks! I did what was said with help from Kelps ^=^ <span style="">17:21 Mon Oct 21

>:O -faints- this is so friggin good!!!!! Maybe blur the ear-pink (it's seems solid)? <span style="">12:02 Tue Oct 22

It looks amazing. :o! Also, while we're on earpink, please make this ---> earpink fill the whole ear, while it only fills half. <--- This one fills the whole, so the other should, naturally, match. Keep up the good work, Amber! c: 01:46, October 23, 2013 (UTC)