Talk:Sandstorm

Concerns

 * Family needs to be referenced.
 * History needs to be completed
 * Introduction section has a POV, Wikipedia recomends a Neutral Point of View, which is a good angle for character pages.
 * Firestar's Quest section is way to long, and doesn't have enough info about her contribs in the book.
 * Sections having "her love for Fireheart is now obvious" or the like need to be lengthened.
 * Description needs to be cited.

Is Redtail Sandstrom's father???? The family tree on warriorcats.com said that he was but it's not always correct. Spottedwing 01:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Spottedwing


 * No, he isn't. See Canon.–– Σulãlíã 459 678 14:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * But according to this forum, Vicky confirmed that Redtail is Sandstorm's father. Stealthpath(talk!) 15:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Vicky has confirmed that he is in the new Erin Hunter chat. I will link the transcript when it comes out. -- Gοlδεn pαω 01:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC) Here it is. http://wandsandworlds.com/community/ErinHunter6-chat

Family tree needs updated now we know parentage and siblings  ♪ heavenily ♥  16:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Kin
Whom is Sandstorms mother? I think it's Goldenflower- Sandpaw

But then how could Squirrelflight even think of being Brambleclaw's mate? Good idea, though. It may've worked if Squirrelflight had been Ashfur's mate. Cloverfang!  Wassup?   World Peace!  21:11, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Erin Hunter confirmed somewhere that it's Brindleface

But if it was Brindleface, what about Whitestorm? -Moonshadow1013 22:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

What about Whitestorm? The only connection they had was he was Brindleface's mate for a short time and then they broke up she did however have his kits: Ferncloud and Ashfur. I think it's either Brindleface or Speckletail. --Whitestorm17 18:20, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sandstorm's Parentage
I don't think that Goldenflower was her mother, as Sandstorm is only a bit younger than her, as to 2 or some years.

Age doesnt really matter. Snowfur and THistleclaw practically mated when they were apprintices and Bramblkeclaw is older then Squierrelflight. Also Brakenfur could be Sorreltails Great-Grandpa! THose cats are all satill mates! Age doesnt matter! Artimas Hunter 22:50, December 22, 2009 (UTC)Artimas Hunter

Vicky confirmed that Redtail is Sandstorm's father, and Brindleface is Sandstorm's mother. - Foxfeather2214

Anonymous: Goldenflower is not Sandstorm's mother. Artimas Hunter: You are right that age doesn't matter but, how could Brackenfur be her Great- Grandfather? Foxfeather: I agree with you. --Whitestorm17 18:26, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sandstorms Mother
Sandstorm's mother has been confirmed as Goldenflower i asked vicky in an e-mail

Sandstorms Mother
Not Willowpelt! she's Redtails sister you know! However it could have been Mousefur or even Brindleface-shadowcloud

It is not Brindleface! Mousefur maybe and her father is not Redtail--Night shine 04:21, December 18, 2009 (UTC) i agree it WAS Mousefur! Redtail and Mousefur weren't close though. and her littermates i think are Dustpelt and Ravenpaw someone should send this to Erin            its ethir mousefur or brindle face !!!!!!!!!!!!! just ask some one in erin hunter like kate!! spottewdleaf is not her mom for 2 resons shes a medincen and redtails sister!!!!!!!

pictures
who's adding all those pictures on sandstorm's page? ♫ Shimmer ღ 00:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorms Parents Confirmed!
Vicky confirmed on her Facebook that Sandstorm's folks are Redtail and Brindleface. --97.92.84.248 05:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC) A too-lazy-to-sign-in User:Dapplestripe

HER MOTHER IS NOT BRINDLEFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--Dragonfrost 21:37, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Vicky has a facebook? sorry for that randomization. User:MosspathOfSkyClan--When life gives you open moors, run through them 00:25, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Her mother is Brindleface. --Whitestorm17 18:30, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

No, she is not!--a very angry Dragonfrost 23:31, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Dragonfrost is right, Brindleface is not, and could not be her mother.

sandstorm's mother?
where did she say that and is it really true because then ashfur and ferncloud are sandstorm's half syblings

It didn't say that anywhere. People need to stop lying.--Dragonfrost 21:39, September 27, 2009 (UTC) could you give me the iste were vicky said brindlefsce was her mom!

Tree
How do you change the family tree at the bottom? Sandstorm isn't even on it! brindleface is sandstroms mother!!!!!!!!! if not then mousefur not glodenflower even ask erin  ask kate on her blog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sandstorm's Kin
Did Redtail also father Ashfur and Ferncloud? Because Brindleface was pregnant with the kits when firepaw came. She and redtail could have mated before he was killed because she had just moved into the nursery sep 30 5:54pm

About the whole Redtail fathering Ashfur and Ferncloud thing, nobody knows. And there's no good reason to belive it, either. I just remove a lot of stuff about it on wikapidia (sorry can't spell). I will never belive Brindleface is Sandstorm's mother.--Dragonfrost 21:44, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

No, Ahfur's and Ferncloud's father is Whitestorm!! -Moonshadow1013 22:03, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Repeating: Ashfur and Ferncloud's father is not confirmed therefore we do not add this information to the artices and it stays unknown until it can be confirmed by book reference or an author chat. The official warriors site is not sufficient evidence. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 22:18, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Whitestorm fathered Ashfur and Ferncloud. - Foxfeather2214

Foxfeather and Moonshadow are right. --Whitestorm17 18:34, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Parents
Well brindleface could have been Sandstorm's mother it can't be Goldenflower (mated with Tigerstar) nor Speckletail (mated with Smallear) no Frostfur (unknown)but i know Ravenpaw's parents

Brindleface is not her mother, where the heck are people getting that idea? In into the wild, I don't remember what page, Yellowfang said something like "a she-cat is very protective of her kits, especaily when it's her first litter" she said this after Firepaw asked her if she could see brindleface's kits. If Sandstorm was her kit, this wouldn't be her first litter. Undeniable proof.--Dragonfrost 02:55, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Frostfur's mate is Lionheart!

That's a possibility, but we don't know for sure.--Dragonfrost 23:32, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Mother
Brindleface is NOT Sandstorm's mother! If she was, that would mean Squirrelflight and Ashfur are related, and Ashfur was in love with her. And if Redtail was her father, Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw would be related--Nightfall101 21:14, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

In a Clan of cats that have little or no new blood coming in, soon every cat will be related, and the Erins also don't pay attention to relations that are more that pretty immediate. Example: Birchfall and Whitewing are second cousins, yet they are mates. Those two pairings you mentioned didn't actually have kits anyhow, so it's not so bad. Besides, they might not realize they are related (cats don't speak about heritage much) so it's possible the Erins knew that they were and did it anyway. ♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 21:12, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

dapples
i think it is dappletail,because dappletail was an apprentice when redtail was a kit.also she needs a refrence to where redtail came from for a dad.and the idiot who thought up brindleface as her mum,ashfur wouldn't of fallen for squirrelflight!he would of been her half uncle/uncle! plus ashfur's dad is whitestorm.i know.i a warriors geek.lol.ravendance redtail is sandstorms dad !!!!!!!!!!! mousefur is her mom!!!!!!!

Whitestorm isn't Ashfur's dad. I mean, I guess it's possible, but he had kits with Willowpelt, and the family trees on the website are FALSE--Nightfall101 21:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

FATHER
It was comfirmed in an Erin Hunter chat that Redtail is her dad. (Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw are related, but that didn't stop Whitwing and Birchfall)--Nightfall101 02:41, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hi Sand!! I am new to this, any tips? Jamwhisker

actully it was proven that whitestorm was brindleface's mate,but they broke up when he fell for willowpelt.ravendance

Yeah, and i'm Tigerstar.--Dragonfrost 19:01, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

where was that confirmed ,it wasn't in the first book so how did you find this information out???--Fawnfur 02:23, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Fawnfur's right, he never loved Brindleface. WhitexBrindle was only ever mentioned on the website, and those family trees have been comfirmed false!--Nightfall101 02:40, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Parents
It has to be Brindleface because Redtail did not have two mates! But then how could Ashfur fall for Squirrelflight? Because he is her uncle. Uh anyways. Icestorm May StarClan Light Your Path! 02:52, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Woah, you're really confusing me. What do you mean? Brindleface is NOT Sandstorm's mother! How many times do I have to say it...--Dragonfrost 18:59, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget that there is an age difference between Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw too. :) Mousetalon Mousey Chat!!!

It might! Brindelface did NOT yes I say NOT So it HAS I mean HAS To be Brindleface! Icestorm Purr all the way! :) 00:20, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Icestorm, you're not making any sence. Brindleface did not what?--Nightfall101 02:57, November 28, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sigh* Stuipd slow computer. She did not have 2 mates. Sorry if I don't make sense. Slow computer. :) Jinglestorm ♥ Merry Christmas! undefined 21:10, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

i know that brindleface isn't sandstorms mother,calm down dragonfrost.but whitestorm's mate WAS brindleface bfore,so i'm not listning.got it? ravendance sandstorm isnt reltide to branbleclaw @!Z look at warriorcats.com~!!!!!!!!!

For the millionth time, the family trees on warriorcats.com are FALSE. I get tired of saying that.--Dragonfrost 23:35, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

yes but if her mother is brindleface than squirrelflight ALMOST mated with her uncle than

and if it is Goldenflower than she DID mate with her but if her mothe ris goldenflower than

Big Problem
Okay, someone just went and edited Sandstorm's whole family. Not the tree, but the list. They put Ravenpaw and Dustpelt as her brothers and Mousefur as her MOTHER; I fixed those but saw a whole slew of mistakes. Can we work on that?--CandyCaneWolf 22:21, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

i did that you biotch! its what i believe! don't be so mean!

Mousefur13, please sign when you comment.. And unless you have solid PROOF from the books or an official chat, you cannot put that on any page. Sorry if this sounds crude, but I've undone quite a few things you've changed tonight relating to this. This is not the place for "gut feelings". -- Quiet !...  09:03, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Ravenpaw and Dustpelt are NOT her brothers, and Mousefur is NOT her mother! Her mother was Brindleface. She had half-siblings though - like Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart and Thornclaw. - Foxfeather2214

SANDSTORM"S MOTHER (FOR REAL)
People! Sandstorm's mother is Goldenflower is her mom because of many different reasons. First, they have the same kind of pelts:ginger with barely visable darker lines. Also, Goldenflower was very upset when REdtail who was SAndstorm's dad died. Cats can have more then 2 mates so it's okay that Goldenflower and Tigerclaw mated. If you don't believe me look at Whitestorm! He had like a zillion kits with like 5 different cats! In Bluestar's phrophecy Goldenflower and Redtail are very close. Coincidence? I think not! Finally, in Code of the Clans when Sandstorm is talking about Fireheart/star being a kittypet she mentions that Goldenflower and Whitestorm like him. Whitestorm is her mentor and she holds him in great respect so she of course mentions him but why Goldenflower and not some other Clanmate? What is the connection between them? She lists one cat she obviously respects and Goldenflower. This is because Goldenflower is her mom and so Sandstorm looks to her for help on subjects such as Fireheart. This may also explain why Sandstorm is so kind to Brambleclaw. She is his distant older sibling. then why did shen acsep[t it when brableclaw and squirrelflight mated Hey, please don't sass us. As you said: ' Use your BRAINS people! It happened! Deal with it!' You just insulted all girls and boys that like Warriors and saw that article that didn't think that Sandstorm was the daughter of Goldenflower. Please do not do that again. It' rude. It's insulting. I even took it to heart when I read your comment. Stop or you will be talked to again. Thanks. -- Rosey User Talk:Honeyrose34

Okay. sorry. i didnt think it would be that offensive. i took it out. Artimas Hunter 01:17, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Artimas Hunter

Goldenflower could be her mother, but that would mean that Goldenflower would have like, three different mates. Swiftpaw would have been an older kit when Sandstorm was an older apprentice. The timing is kinda off. And I really don't think that Redtail is Sandstorm's dad. That would mean that Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight would be related--Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 01:20, December 23, 2009 (UTC) I just think that Goldenflower has a lot more evidence as to being Sandstorm's mom thenlike Brindleface or whoever else. I think in Warriors everyone is pretty much related but i agree with you and the timing is a little weird but still.......i think when Erin or whoever made Sandstorms family they didnt really account for a mom. its still kinda fun for us to speculate though!Artimas Hunter 01:27, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Artimas Hunter

i agree like 75% with you because Retail could also be Swiftpaw's father if they were mates for life. because Redtail's brother patchpelt is black and white like Swiftpaw. i also think that Dustpelt is Sandstorm's brother and that would mean that Ravenpaw is another of her littermates! plus goldenflower was comforting Ravenpaw. BUT! Squirellflight would be the mate of her uncle. isn't that effed up?

Mousefur13, please sign when you comment and add it to the BOTTOM of the section, thank-you. -- Quiet !...  09:08, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Sandstorm's mother was confirmed on Vicky's Facebook page. It's Brindleface. Oh, and Swiftpaw is Brambleclaw's and Tawnypelt's brother. It was also confirmed by Vicky that his parents are Goldenflower and Tigerstar. - Foxfeather2214

Okay, Sandstorm's mother cannot be Brindleface. Ashfur would have been in love with his neice! And Swiftpaw is Brambleclaw and Tawnypelt's half brother. If you read A Dangerous Path, it comfirms him to be their half brother. And if Swiftpaw was Tigerstar's son, then Tigerstar would have mentioned it some where. If he was so determined for his sons Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw to take over their clans, you'd think he would have mentioned Swiftpaw somewhere in there. --Snowfall Let it snow, let it snow! 20:42, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Mother
I think that Mousefur is her mother because it says that Sandstorm has two grandmothers and they are One-eye and Swiftbreeze. Swiftbreeze is Redtail's mother and One-eye is Runningwind's and Mousefur's mother so it could be possible that Mousefur is her mother.--Echoheart 11:49, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Echoheart

She could be but where in the books does it say that One-eye is her grandma? Merry Christmas!Artimas Hunter 18:49, December 24, 2009 (UTC)Artimas Hunter

i am sorry i wrote that because i believed it at the time. i now think goldenflower

Past/Present tense
I'm really becoming annoyed by the changes in tense; are we using past tense, or present tense? Much thanks! --Russetstripe 05:07, December 29, 2009 (UTC) even if golden flower isnt sandstorms mom there stiil relatid. check adderfangs wikapediaef page it say the tigerstar iis related to her

Sandstorm: Not ThunderClan?
Behold, an explanation of Sandstorm's mother that is so far the only logical explanation that doesn't involve some form of incest!

The only explanation I have is that Sandstorm, unknown to herself, and by now most of the Clan...is not fully ThunderClan!

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Okay, now that you've recovered from the shock, I am to say that Redtail is most defiantly her father and Sandstorm dose NOT know about this.

I think he brought this scrawny little kit into camp on day and gave it to one of the queens to nurse. Bluestar holds Whitestorm, her nephew, in high esteem. Maybe this is why Sandstorm was given to him as an apprentice, because she remains Bluestar so much of her own kits.

Maybe it was the same with Bluestar and her kits, that Redtail, her father, had a fling with a cat from another Clan and she gave him their kit for whatever reason. Or maybe she was captured in a raid and brought back to ThunderClan to be brought up as one of their warriors.

That last guess actually seems pretty possible. Thistleclaw was still alive that the time and that sounds like something he'd start, sneaking into another Clan's camp and stealing kits, I mean.

It could also be possible that her mother was a rouge, or a loner, or maybe even, StarClan forbid...A Kittypet!

(dun, dun, dun, DUUUN!)

SquirrelpawOfShadowClan

Sandstorm an only kit?
does everyone remember how tigerstar said that Thunderclan lost 5 kits the year before Firestar joined the clan? well Sandstorm was probably less than a year old in fire and ice maybe like 10 moons well that means that she could be the only surviving kit of her litter, no? - leopardfoot

Stop
Okay you guys are fighting way too much. We don't know if her mother is Brindleface,Willowpelt or Goldenflower. We need as much evidence as we can get from the books. Even a chat. Okay? --Icy Let's Go 2010! 18:26, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Incest
Just so everyone knows, cats don't have the same taboos as we humans do. Incest is perfectly okay with them. In fact, Patchpelt and Willowpelt, who are brother and sister, are also Graystripe's parents. It's okay for her mother to be Brindleface or Goldenflower because it's okay to them.

Well, the Erins seemed to have avoided it so far, and they have been making them sorta humanlike in their relationships... but I guess you're right. It's also worth noting though that Graystripe's parents are not confirmed, they were listed as Patchpelt and Willowpelt on the very wrong family trees, which the Erins themselves said were wrong. Also, whoever you are, remember to sign your posts with four of these, please: ~ :P ★ Insane Batteries not Included  15:27, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Kin
it's possible that her mother was dead before the start of the series so we don't really know for sure infact all apprentices at start of first series book one may not have any direct kin(father,mother,littermate,ect.) alive in Thunderclan--Fawnfur 01:59, January 5, 2010 (UTC) UTC)