Warriors Wiki talk:Charart/Archive 95

Some "unspoken" guidelines that need clarification
I've been noticing some arguments regarding to people's comments, and some leads have been enforcing rules that have never been established, which causes some conflicts between users. Here I'd like to point out some of the "rules" that were being enforced but argued against, and were never established, and also I'm here to ask if these are cannon, or not:


 * 1) Regarding to the tweak page, some people were yelled at for not listing the OAs, and even yelled at if their OA list was "incomplete" as in lacking a user, etc. Some other users have been listing none of the OAs and have gotten away with it. Listing the OAs was never really a part of the guidelines, so I'm just wondering, is listing the OAs a requirement, or not?


 * 1) Some tweak nominations passed with five nay votes and five yay votes, but has a rule really been established on how the tweak nominations pass if the votes come to a tie, or not?


 * 1) What is "it's fine"? Is it including "I'm sorry. I color picked from their other images. I'd rather not"? because this is what some users have been saying and they still get accused for saying "its fine", some users just simply say, "it's fine" without an excuse and get away with it. So what are the borderlines for this?


 * 1) Some redone images that were posted were told to match the old images, while others were able to completely redo an image. So what are our rules on this? My Morningflower image was changed to match the old pattern, however Mossfire's image, Olivenose's image, Toadskip's image all have a completely new pattern. I find it frustrating that some users were required to do it while others were just let off. We need a rule on this.


 * 1) Is color picking an legitament excuse to say it's fine, or not? Tbh, if the other images were approved, then they should match in color 100%, so I'd say that it is legit.


 * 1) What are our rules regarding to giving an image to the OA? And if the image is already snatched, and the OA wants it, then who gets the claim?


 * 1) If an OA wants to redo an image they believe it not up to their satisfaction, is that legitimate reason, or not?


 * 1) What are the voting rules for PCA's fourm?

Basically these are the most common "mini rules" i find, mainly regarding to the tweak nominations and tweak page.

10:34, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

with colour picking, it really depends on whre the users colour picked. sometimes its justified, sometimes it has to be tweaked. and no, i dont believe if the only reason is 'beause the oa doesnt like it' is a good enough reason, if i wanted to redo say mapleshade becase id made the pattrn and it was fine otherwise but i was the only one who thought it needed a redo (i didnt but its an example) then youd all be rather quick to vote no, wouldnt you? whys it any different for other images?

users only have to match the old pattern if its mentioned in the nomination, which just doesnt always happen. if its not and the user doesnt want to match the old pattern, too bad? 17:45, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

I think listing all the OA’s should be a rule. The rule for tweak nominations is five nay or yay votes, whichever is reached first. It’s okay to say ‘it’s fine’ as long as there is an explanation to go with it. Redoing images… sometimes the pattern is great and should stay, sometimes the pattern isn’t well liked or hard to match. I definitely think there should be some sort of rule for that. Saying “I colour picked”, isn’t an automatic they have it right. They could have colour-picked highlighted areas. The rules for OA claim and that is being discussed, and is very blurry right now. OA’s wanting to redo images because it doesn’t seem right. I wasn’t happy with my Seedpaw apprentice image’s shading until I asked to redo the shading. I was given that and it was a lot better. I guess it depends on the context. No idea for the forum voting rules though. 21:45, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not gonna get too into this and comment on all these, but I do want to point out that it's already in the guidelines that OA's need to be listed on the tweak page.

"When an image is put on the talk page, the warrior who uploaded it should state its original artist, and then list the improvements made and ask for any further suggestions."

I agree that this either needs to be removed entirely, or more strictly enforced though. If the rule's kept, it should also be made more specific. Does the user only need to list the last OA, regardless of whether it was a tweak or redo/original? Or the OA of the pattern? Or the whole list of artists who've worked on the image?

Can we have some more comments? This is actually pretty important imho. 01:58, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

I personally am not fond of the "it's fine" thing. Especially when more than one project member have told you to fix something. If you believe that it's fine, then state your opinion. If others agree, then don't change it. I don't really like the fact that some users try to argue their way out of reuploading a charart. If I believe something is fine, I'll question about it before flat out saying "it's fine". I think as an artist putting an image up for approval, you should be open to critique and take comments into consideration. Also, the sour attitudes kind of need to go down some. Frustration arising from reuploading images or being told to fix something shouldn't happen.

I think we need some clarification on some grounds to the "it's fine" card, like Burnt said. In my opinion, ask before you pull it. 20:41 Tue Nov 17

Anymore comments on this? 02:49 Mon Jan 4

Night
I found this one Kate's blog:http://www.ezimba.com/work/160102C/ezimba11233728076700.jpg Does this mean we need to change her description?

I'm a bit hesitant, since she starts with "It seems likely", but given that she says "Yes" right afterwards, I think that counts as a confirmation...

Votes
I just want to draw everyone's attention to deputy redo artist and medicine cat redo artist forums. They're really kinda important so I want to draw attention to them. 19:29, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Can I Join?
Can I join?

I am a beginner artist, and I am applying because I want to use what I learn here to get better at art.

--Samipiplup (talk) 02:49, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

Could I join? I am just learning how to makes designs and what haves you,I really need the teaching --REDBLAH (talk) 09:02, January 20, 2016 (UTC) REDBLAH

Sure thing, I'll add you in now. Check out the Guidelines, and feel free to ask a lead for any additional questions. Welcome to the project! 02:59 Wed Jan 13

can i join? i really want to make charart and have fun. tawnyfang

Leaving.
As of late, I haven't had the time to be as active on the wiki as I'd like to be. Id like to be removed from the project until further notice. I think I'll most likely come back when summer comes around - though, until then this will have to be goodbye. Ill still make small edits here and there, but it won't be that big of a significance. Thank you all for making my time here enjoyable, and I look forward to joining you again in the future. 02:32, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

We'll see you when you cone back. Take care, dear, and good luck with everything. <3

Join?
title says all fam—    Minkclaw 13:51, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Of course. Check out the guidelines for additional information, and never be afraid to ask a project lead any questions you may have :-) welcome to the project! 20:50 Thu Jan 21

may i join, i really want to do some charart. :)

tawnyfang

Screen Differences
This has obviously become a very contreversial topic between users in PCA... Some people see chararts different than others do, which leads to arguments among a lot of users. I honestly think we need to come to an agreement on what constitues as "fine" or not. I think that the majority that agrees that something needs to be changed should be the outcome, and vice versa. That's never really clarified in the rules and I think it needs to be clarified more. 09:15, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

This is why asking for other opinions needs to be done in cases where it's an obvious screen problem, such as with shading and pelt colors. What looks fine on some might not on others, and it should be taken into consideration.

Tweak
Will apprentices be able to redo the chararts, or is it consitered tweaking Belllastar (talk) 13:11, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Everyone. It wouldn't be fair in the least to redo a blank and not allow everyone to participate.

join
hi peeps o^o 21:18, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

pressuring 21:55, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

Characters needing art page update
I would like to tell everyone that I am slowly updating the characters needing art page to include all the characters that currently need art. If you can add or mark reserved images that would really help! 12:48, February 8, 2016 (UTC)