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Cinderpelt Alt
I'm bringing this back up because we didn't really reach a conclusion last time, and I still think she should have an alt. In the manga at the end of YS, when she was alive as both a Medicine Cat Apprentice and Medicine Cat she had a fully healed leg. Both Berrynose and One-eye have alts. for their missing tail, or eye, being there, so she should have an alt. for her leg being normal.

If anyone wants to look at the original conversation it's [http://warriors.wikia.com/wiki/Warriors_Wiki_talk:Charart/Archive_77#Cinderpelt_Alt. here]. 04:02, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Just something I noticed now, she also has something like tabby stripes on her face, like on her White medicine cat alt. So there's something else. 05:08, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

StarClan Blank Vote Conclusion
The vote for the StarClan blank has been concluded and a big congradulations to Breezy who won with 15 votes in favor. Once again, congradulations to you and your wonderful blank concepts, Breezy. 20:39, December 23, 2012 (UTC)

Bluestar alt, question about Molepelt's fur
In The Lost Warrior manga, Bluestar is shown in one of the pages in grayscale as a dark gray cat with a white face, and black markings underneath her eyes. Does this call for an alt?

Also, in the Yellowfang's Secret manga Molepelt is a longhaired kitty. Should he be put as a longhair since is pelt length is never really mentiond in the books, or is the manga an unreliable source? Hooh54 (talk) 23:53, December 24, 2012 (UTC)Hooh54

StarClan Blank needs
Just something I'd like to address before we put Breezy's blanks into action. Are these going to be used for only cats who have actually been seen in StarClan or if StarClan is their known/presumed rank? Or are they going to apply to all cats who've died and don't have links to the Dark Forest or the Tribe of Endless Hunting? 18:03, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think they should only be for cats whom we know, for a fact are StarClan member. owo 18:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

If there's a cite for them being in StarClan, then they should get an image. Like, take for example Rainwhisker. He wasn't seen in StarClan, but Vicky confirmed he went there. Therefore, he should get a StarClan image.

Like Cloudy said, they would be for any cat that has been seen in StarClan, it is said somewhere in the books they made it to StarClan, or they've been revealed by one of the Erins to be there. 18:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yup. All confirmed StarClan cats. But I'm still wondering what should happen with the CotC kits in SC. They were still kits... 23:47, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mentor Blank Needs
Cats are cited and confirmed as mentors, so I think they need an image, for being called/classed as a mentor various times in books. So, any thoughts/concerns? -Feather 12:47, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think that could be good, but I dont think we need purely new blanks, maybe only edit warrior blanks because they are also warriors. Just somerhing like deputy one. (Dont kill me) ,13:41, December 26,2012 (UTC)

I don't think they need a blank for being a mentor...a mentor is just an additional task a warrior can choose to take on. It's like an apprentice gathering moss for the elder's bedding- we don't need a blank for moss-gathering, do we? Mentor isn't a rank. 14:32, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think mentors need a blank, to me they aren't a rank of their own, but a sub-rank that spans over the warrior, deputy, leader, medicine cat, and sometimes even the queen ranking. A warrior is a rank, it has it's own duties that almost all warriors do, but to me a mentor varies, with who the mentor is, for example, Bluestar didn't train Firestar for a while after she took him as an apprentice, but most other mentors take their apprentices out on the first day. I think a mentor doesn't need a blank. And I probably rambled to say that. x3 14:38, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no. I agree with both Leggo and Duck on this note. It's an additional task; not an actual rank.

This has been brought up countless time, and the outcome's always been the same. Mentor is a job. Not a rank. That's all there is to it. No blanks. 02:30, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. It's not a status position or anything, it's just something that a warrior, deputy or leader does. There's no need for a whole new blank. 20:11, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Also, if we did, we'd need one for border patrolling and hunting, and we aren't going to make those. I'm really sorry. 06:57, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

StarClan Cats- Stars?
^^Do we get to add stars to the fur of these cats? If we do, (which I would approve of), I say they should look like the ones Shelly made on this image. Pale, small, white dots scattered in the fur. StarClan members have been described with stars in their fur, so I'd assume they get them... 05:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know... how would we do it on white cats? 05:02, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

No, no, and no again. (don't get me wrong, I love that image, but no). But if that's what everyone else wants, then I'll go with it. I just...think that's kinda stupid...and if not done properly..ehhhh, no.

Edit conflicts left, right and center >8C I agree with these guys, they don't need the stars. And as Ducky says, how would we get the stars on white cats? Impossible. Anyway, by 'stars in their fur', I always thought that meant they had very shiny, clean fur. 05:10 Sat Dec 29

I'd say we add them. Though we don't need them, they are described with them, which I find important in StarClan's descriptions. 05:27, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree, honestly it'd just look silly, and not all starclan cats are described with them. Sometimes cats can't even tell if it's a starclan cat or not, so clearly there's not always any kind of distinction. However, if we do end up using them, they should be on the blank itself, not added by each artist using the blank. 05:39, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

The stars don't have to be in their fur, it can have a glow around the image, but I don't think they need it, but if you guys agree, we could go with the starry glow  06:55, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Tweak concerns
Hey all, I just wanted to bring something up. I've noticed that with images, we've kind of stopped asking OAs about their images, I really think that if the OA is still around, we should still make sure if they want it before nominating them. A lot of redo nominations have been declined simply because it's something that could be tweaked on the .psd or .xcf file. I know it's kind of silly to be sentimental about an image, but regardless of that, some images can be saved a lot of grief by using the original file instead of redoing it, that's what email is for. And no I'm not pointing fingers, I think a lot of us are guilty of it, actually. Even though I'm not as active as I used to be, I'm still supposed to be in charge of tweaks and I just wanted to give you all a reminder, kind regards, 06:53, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

PCA Myths
Alright, so I've been thinking about this for a while, and it seems PCA's gathered some "myths" of things that have to be done for an image to look right, that are honestly quite silly.

1. Very visible earpink - Images go through many reuploads just to get the earpink visible and not to bright. When you think about this though, there's absolutely no reason the earpink should have to be very defined and visible. On many real cats you can't even see the pink in their ears. All you can see is the shadow, no skin visible. Or often it's mostly covered up by fur so you can just barely make it out. There's really no reason that chararts' earpinks should have to be very defined. Not overblurred, yes, but we shouldn't have to go through 10 uploads just trying to get the earpink right.

2. Very defined shading - Another "myth" is that you need to be able to tell where the shading starts and stops. If you look at shading on anything in real life, especially more rounded or smooth things (like, say, a tail) it's quite hard to see where the shading starts and stops, you have to look very closely. So as long as the shading shows depth, there's really no need for it to be defined. Only if it's flat.

3. Gray noses on gray cats - Now this was mostly squashed by shelly a while back, but not totally, so I'll just go ahead and list it here. It used to be believed that all gray cats had to have gray noses unless otherwise specified in the book. Gray cats can actually have pink noses, and often do. Black cats, yes, they have to have black noses (at least to my knowledge they do), but gray cats should be totally optional.

4. Visible lineart on black cats - We've had a couple problems with this, and a couple minor squabbles. Lineart does not need to be visible on black cats. The black on the pelt and the black on the lineart simply need to be different enough that you can color select the lineart if need be at any point. There's not really much reason that you should have to be able to easily see the lineart, especially when that often ends up making cats dark gray.

I believe that's all of them, but if I think of more, I'll add them. I just wanted to clear these up, cause they tend to cause problems on occasion, and are a bit silly. 08:49, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more on the ear part. I think once, Breezy was told to remove the fur that had been put in the ears, but to be quite honest, most cats should actually have visible fur coming from their ears, even on shorthaired cats. On my real cat, Hickory, he is so longhaired that you can't even see his ear insides because it's covered in long fur, and I think that should be an option for an artist to choose as well. 22:41, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree completely on all these. Unless the earpink is an unnatural neon color or whatever, there's no real reason the earpink should be fussed over so much, and it should be artist's choice. Usually there's no more than a little discolored fur inside the ear. I know I've told numerous people to define shading, but really, especially on really fluffy cats the 3D effect is in how their fur lies, not how dark their belly shading is. 23:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with these as well. Especially about the ear pink. I remember spending I don't know how long on Oakheart's tawny alt, because of ear pink, despite it being perfectly visible. Here's how I see it; if you can see it, and it looks like a proper shade of pink, it's fine.

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Well, hi. Who am I? I've been away for so long you all may not remember me. But yes, I have returned! And I am here begging to be let back in to this wonderful project. I don't care if I have to rejoin as a senior warrior, warrior, or even as a kit, but I just want to be a part of this again. So... please? 19:33, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

We are not making you a kit. ._. You'll be added as a SW, and if someone's got a problem with that, they can come talk to me about it.

Possible Kit Images
On page 24 of Starlight, it reads, "'Tallstar was the leader of our Clan when you (speaking to Mudclaw) were a kit mewling in the nursery." Wouldn't that quallify for a kit image?

Also, if Blackstar got a kit image, and Flintfang and Fernshade are his littermates, shouldn't they get kit images? 23:25, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'd actually been meaning to bring up Fern and Flint. There's a passage in Yellowfang's Secret, that implies they were kits... I do believe it's around page 300-something.

''"You must be glad your kits are out of your paws and you can return to warrior duties." she remarked to Hollyflower.'' - page 308 of YS. It implies that they were kits to me as well, but what do y'all think? 23:46, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

It implies that Fern and Flint were kits to me as well. As for Mudclaw on page 24, directly after the sentence up there it says: "I'm not a kit now" Mudclaw retorted. To me that says he was at one point a kit. 00:02, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with Fernshade and Flintfang. It said her kits. That's the equivalent of saying they're her children. Just cause they used the words kits instead of children doesn't mean they should get kit images. Mudclaw however, I do agree. It's no different that Mudfur getting an app image. 01:47, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

"You must be glad your kits are out of your paws and you can return to warrior duties." I think that's enough to imply that Fern and Flint were once kits, as whoever is speaking is saying that Hollyflower doesn't have to take care of them anymore, therefore they are no longer kits, thus implying they were kits. Mudclaw I definately agree with. 02:18 Mon Dec 31

I agree with all of them having kit images, they are all implied to have been kits. x3 03:52, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Ahh well the second part of the quote... hmm... guess it implies she was in the nursery with them, taking care of them as actual kits.... hmmm... alright. Just so long as we don't start making images for someone just saying "your kits" or something. 03:55, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

The part about kits being in your paws, it certainly refers to the time they were kits and hints that they might have been bothersome for her at that age. Bingo numero uno. Mudclaw, bingo numero dos. 03:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Rejoin
May I please rejoin the project? I know I have been inactive for a while but I am back and fully commited. I don't care if you put me back as an apprentice, kit, warrior, whatever. Thanks. -- C i  n  d  e  r  00:00, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back~ You'll be added in as a warrior since you've already got the number of images you need approved. Here are the guidelines to refresh up on if you need to. 01:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Um, hi
Recently, I brought around the idea of the dancing chicken gif for an emoticon in the chat. The idea was declined, and I was stupid enough to keep going on about it. It eventually lead to an argument, and the chat being turned off. It's all my fault, and I feel guilty about it, and I'm thinking I should leave the Wiki, and getting out of your hair. If I disappear one day and never show up again, don't worry, I'm fine. Remove any rights I have and my senior warrior rank in PCA. If I do leave, there's a good chance I'll only ever come back as an anon, that is if I ever do come back. I'm sorry for pestering you all for a stupid gif. Regards, 04:09 Wed Jan 2

Rejoin Request
I was previously a member of this project as an apprentice, but it seems I was removed for inactivity. I'm looking cautiously at the guidelines now and would like to rejoin. =) --  Atomic  The collective baby~  06:50, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Okay! I'll go add you in. Welcome back. :3 18:07, January 2, 2013 (UTC)