Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Picture Alternates
I was wondering, as we are now doing alternates for manga mistakes, should we also do alternates for mistakes in other pictures (particularly from Cats of the Clans)? 17:54, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmmm good question. Everybody used to always say no, because book covers and such aren't acurate, but neither is the manga really. I think we should, but I don't know for sure. I think it'd have to be a major difference, and there's not really many of those. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  18:13, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I say they should. I mean, why not? They were inaccurately described, and that's what an alt is for. -- 01:51, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose, but in terms of book covers we should only make alts if the identity of the cat on the cover is confirmed and cited, and of course only if the change is significant. Frankly I don't see us doing any based on book covers, as often the only difference is eye colors. 02:49, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

There aren't many, but I think: Heathertail, Littlecloud and possibly Tawnypelt were quite different in their CotCs pictures. 17:54, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

They have to be different from there descriptions though Speckle, not their chararts. I think Tawnypelt MAY get one, but I'm not sure, since she's a dark tortie specifically normally, then she's a tortie and white in CotC. As for the others, if I remember right about what their pitures looked like, they wouldn't get alts. They go fine with their descrption. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  19:22, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

The cats that would most likely get alts form that book would be Littlecloud (shown as a brown tabby with a white underbelly) and Runningnose (who is black and white). 22:14, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Runningnose wouldn't, as he already is a black/dark gray and white cat. As for Littlecloud, it seems kinda minute. 15:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Littlecloud wouldn't act as a full out project, since he already his a brown tabby. Littlecloud would actually be a tweak (I believe) to add the white underbelly to his image already. 17:16, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Are we actually tweaking images to look like their CotC pics? Cause there's a lot of cats that need tweaking then. Squirrelflight, Feathertail and Talon also need white bellies, Hearthertail and Onestar need white muzzles, Silverstream and Tigerstar need paler bellies, Mothwing needs a white muzzle and paws, and Crookedstar DOES need cream on him after all. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:51, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should tweak the images at all. We're not supposed to be using the pictures in books as guidelines, honestly. I see no need for it, since I don't really consider the pictures in Cats of the Clans accurate. 17:56, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Cloudy. They're minor mistakes, and manga alts are ONLY for huge mistakes. If you find a major pelt change then by all means I think they should get one, but just having a white belly, no, or something like that wouldn't. 18:13, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, we shouldn't make alts for those, but should we tweak the actual images to fit with the CotC images? Ashfur was tweaked to have those stripes on his legs and stuff, so why shouldn't the others? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  14:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ashfur is being tweaked with stripes on his legs. Sky- Stop right there criminal  scum! 15:00, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak two instead of one?
I think this may have been brought up before, but I'm not sure. I'm of the belief that those allowed to tweak images should be allowed to do up to two at a time. The tweaking thing would probably go much faster that was. At the very least, allow senior warriors to do two tweaks at once. The list of images needing to be fixed is long, and we're going at it as a snail's pace. 18:25, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Good point. And i also think, with so many things needed tweaked, the page limit fifteen should be raised more. Darkfangstorm Vampire time!  18:29, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I already suggested this. Those warriors and leads without a main project are allowed to take on two tweaks. As for the page limit, yeah, it should be raised, but to allow no more then 20 images at a time. 18:30, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that it should be put up to 20. The spaces get filled so fast, and with more warriors now, there's a lot more people waiting to put up there images now. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  19:19, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

waitwut–? So all this time I couldve done TWO tweaks at once? pffftt. Oh yes, we should extend the limit so more tweaking can be done, with all the new warriors coming in - 21:08, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with this and yes, the page limit should be raised. I was thinking 25. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:55, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you everyone. I, personally, was thinking we really should raise the limit. The chararts are filling it up more because of all the new warriors and such. I believe it should be raised to 25 so that things would move a lot quicker. 17:14, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

So, since we all seem to agree that the page limit needs to be raised, when will it be done? I'm not asking because I'm impatient, just curious when we'll actually change it. Or do we have to wait for Iceheart to agree too? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Let's wait and see if Iceheart agrees with it, because if we don't (and change something without her consent), we'll all catch hell for it. 17:28, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

The limit is now 25. Iceheart herself told me to raise it, since she can't get on at the moment. 20:36, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Daisytail (And perhaps some others)
In Codes of the Clans (or some book) she appears to have her son apprenticed. Even though he is 3 moons at the time, he is still an apprentice because the warrior code hadn't been that developed yet. Therefore, she would get a warrior image. Anyone agree or disagree? Because I'm going to reserve her and put her up when the final desicion is made. 23:38, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that she was also seen in Night Whispers, in StarClan, a time where she would also not be a queen, probably. 23:48, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

If she was training her son, then yes, she would get a warrior image. Queens don't go battle training and such. 23:51, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Highlights
Alright, so I've been seeing a lot of this and I think it's time that it needs to be noted. Please refrain from saying the simple comment, "Add highlights." Highlights are not needed to make an image look better. I, myself, never use highlights. However, you could say something like "brighten the highlights if you have them." That is more relevant. If the user says "I cannot because I don't use highlights" then it's probably that the shading is too dark. Understood? Agreed? 17:12, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Understood. Agreed. I don't need to say anymore, because this is clear enough. 17:17, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

FINALLY somebody posts this! thank you Splashy! XD I personally only use highlights if it's a really dark cat, or a silver cat. It can get really annoying at times to be asked to do something with highlights. Honestly, I'm guilty of asking users to add highlights ocassionally, but only on blck cats which I believe really should have them so they don't look pure black, but meh. XD I'll stop doing that too. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  17:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't use highlights at all, even on black cats. I've about had it, because someone tells me on every charart I do to add highlights. I mean, honestly. It gets on my freaking nerves. 17:26, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Great idea! I only use highlights on sleek, golden, and silver cats. 18:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, highlights bug me a bit :P 20:23, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Good point Splashpelt. I so agree with this. 23:30, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you splashpelt. I hate when people just say they dont use them and dont do anything. Its like you still need to fix the shading then, its not so hard to figure out. 18:29, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Colour example?
I was wondering if we could have a colour example image. I don't know if anybody knows what I mean, but sometimes when you're commenting on an image and you want the artist to change the earpink to a different colour or adjust the pelt colour, you can't properly describe what colour you mean, so you post an image (like I did under Mosspelt's tweaked image). However, once the image is finished and archived, your colour-reference image ends up floating around and taking up space if it doesn't get a delete tag. I was wondering if we could have a designated image that you can just reupload your colour onto for reference, so we don't end up cluttering the wiki with these random colour squares. Obviously it wouldn't be used very commonly, but it would be helpful for keeping clutter to a minimum. I dunno. Maybe this is a flawed idea... You tell me. Opinions? 01:46 Sat Oct 22

Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about having one image that would have a specific name and you would just reupload this image with a new color when needed? Sorry, I'm a bit confused at what you are asking Dx 01:48, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sorry for confusion :3 01:52 Sat Oct 22

Hm, I see what your saying (i hope) But what if two people use the image at the same time, like one person posts a color for earpnk. And then somebody else uploads over with another color for eye color, for instance, blue, and posts under another image for approval. So the other person working on the other image and comes on seeing a person suggesting "blue" for earpink and be all like "wtf??" So, should it be only available to upload over once the image is archived? (Sorry if I was vague ^^;;) 02:04, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

We could have a section on the tutorail that have hex code examples. Then we dont need an image at all. 18:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Point, Guardian. Let's use Moonleaf's and my situation as an example. I figured that I could (when reuploading the image) add in the description section what the reupload was for, so when Moonleaf saw the image, she would check the image details and look at the proper version of the upload. If that makes any sense, nod your head XD Iceheart: for some people hex codes are really confusing, and I feel it'd be easier to just have one image that people can save and then colour-pick. 21:16 Sat Oct 22

Join Please
Erm...is this where I ask to be joined?? This place seems fun! :D 02:05, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'll add you in now. Please refer to the guidelines and tutorials if you have any questions. Welcome to PCA! ^^ 02:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Guess Who's Back?
I am :) Anyone remember me? I was leader for a couple months. I haven't done any charart in a while, but I'd still like to re-join PCA. 18:25, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay I'll add you back as a SW. Welcome back. 18:26, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, welcome back! I've always admired your chararts. 19:02, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Oblivion! Welcome back! 19:24 Sat Oct 22

Good, you rejoined! It's good to see an old member returning. =) 20:10, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back Oblivion! ^^ I think you were leader when I first joined.... Awesome! ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks everyone :) If you want to help me out - as I haven't made a charart in forever - go put a request for one on my wall, but only if you intend to use it on your page. I need to make a couple practice ones before I do one for PCA. 22:28, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back Oblivion! ^^ -- 22:31, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

yahoooo!! Oblivion's back! - 22:32, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oblivion =) Welcome back! 22:39, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back!! - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 22:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Firestar- Thick coat?
Okay, so, on Firestar's page he is described as having a thick coat, so would that mean he is longhaired? Thick can mean...thick...but I think he should have a longhaired coat, for a better description of thick, unless he was ever mentioned as short haired or thin furred. Comments? . 18:47, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It was be already discussed, I think the others says no Leaf-storm,18:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Nope. Firestar stays shorthaired. He says in one of the books (Fire and Ice, I think), that he envies Graystripe's long fur coat, or something like that. 20:13, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

You can short hair and it be thick, correct? Same way for cats. His fur is thick, but in a short length. Just an explanation. 20:14, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * The word "thick" makes no refrence or implication about length, that is correct. It only implies things about the density of his fur. 20:17, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, even Kitsu's in on this one. We've discussed this before, and we've come to the same conclusion each time. It stays how it is. 20:20, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Torties and Calicos
Should torties and calicos with orange/ginger patches have stripes on those patches? As we've discussed, all ginger cats are tabbies, even those that are only partially ginger. 19:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think they can, but they dont need to be redone to have stripes, just tweaked. 19:24, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

It's the artist's choice, really, to either add in stripes or not. Cause Ive seen some pictures on calicos with orange with no stripes (or maybe sometimes the stripes are just not noticable) 19:35, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

That cat had stripes. Look at its head. 19:36, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think we shouldn't bother tweaking them. I've seen plenty of torties without a tabby stripes, and they have ginger in them. And Shelly, all cats have that tabby M on the head, it doesn't neccesarily mean it's a tabby. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think we don't need to add stripes. In Hawaii, there was a calico, and there were no stripes. 23:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Tweak Nomination Page
It seems that that page isn't being updated as we go very much. Shall I go through and take out the files that have already been tweaked/redone? And it should be made a rule that artists need to take that cat off the list when they finish them. Not that I'm not guilty of forgetting, either. Anyway, I'm completely willing to sort it out if anyone wants. ^^ 19:41, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I go through every now and then and clear it out, but if you want to as well, please feel free to do so. =) 20:14, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

I go through it too every once and a while, but yeah, you're welcome to do it too. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  21:39, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

?
This is PCA right? Can somebody tell me why there are no chararts currently being worked on? Unless it's tweak week.  YatzSliversword     Fall's here... and Feather is back! 23:37, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Try reading the heading at the top of the page... 23:39, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

OH good grief...   YatzSliversword     Fall's here... and Feather is back! 23:41, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Approving before 24 hours
I haev a question, I've seen a couple tweaks approved without going through 24 hours without comment, or even 24 hours past the last reupload, and yet they were approved? Now I have no problem with those ones being approved, as they looked good to me, but is that really allowed? I thought all chararts had to wait through the 24 hours? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Not always. If it's a minor tweak, like adding a collar or a nicked ear, then why in the world should the image need to go through 24 hours? Also, I do it so stupid people don't ruin an already amazing image. 23:42, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yes if the image is redone it best just to leave it for the 24 hours, but if it minor it fine to just archive it. 23:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. :) But I've seen one, maybe two that've been redone and approved within a couple minutes after the reupload. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  23:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Theres no rule against it, but its generally not done. 23:51, October 22, 2011 (UTC)