Forum:Complaints


 * Okay, seriously? I am here to complain. I was checking in on WWiki, and Oblivion and Frostheart are never active. I respect both of them but really, what is a project without a leader and deputy? None of them are active, only on other sites. This is falling apart. I honestly think the new leader should be Nightshine. No one else.


 * Second, when did you get so many apprentices? Honestly, I think you're going to have to rid some of them who aren't active and make most of them warriors whom actually edited to the project.


 * So all my complaints. Chocolate  Frost  21:56, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you know this or not, but I'll tell you anyway; Bramble has emailed me about changing the leadership for PCA and I'm awaiting another reply from her. I agree that Oblivion and Frostheart are inactive and that there are many apprentices. I'll go through them again to see if any should be made elders. -- Night  shine  22:52, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm, PCA isn't the only one suffering. Project:Books is as well. Whitestorm is nowhere to be found, and there hasn't been a lot of activity there... I've noticed that there are a lot of apprentices joining and then doing nothing as well. We were just discussing this, actually. From what I've been told, Oblivion has other interesting and hobbies now. Helix told me, and look on my talk page if you don't believe me. I guess there are people talking to Bramble about switching everything up a bit. It's good to see you editing again, btw. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 02:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nightshine would be an excellent leader... I've always thought she should be the first choice. I agree, something needs to be done. Nightshine, I hope Bramble emails you back soon. Darkhallows... Mew? 04:24, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if Frostheart has been inactive because she has been on the IRC. She had said before that the wiki wasn't loading for her, but it just had started working a few days ago. I don't know if it stopped working again, but I'll ask her when she comes on. 14:02, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

I know Frostheart was on IRC alot, and I use to see her edits alot, but I'm not sure where she went. But as for Oblivion, I hope she's back soon. And I know people are starting to want Night Shine as the PCA leader, But I know Frostheart should be leader if Oblivion isnt around, but since they both arnt around, why dont we arrange temporrary Leader and Deputy? If that goes up, I too would vote Night shine as leader. 17:42, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I think the temporary leader and deputy thing is a good idea. It'll give Oblivion and Frostheart a chance to come back. I say that Night shine be leader and Darkhallows be deputy. And we do have a lot of apprentices, and I'm sure about half of them are inactive. I think, I don't pay much attention to is and isn't active. (This is Mintstarr)98.22.152.78 23:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, Darkhallows. Exacily what i was thinking! 23:55, March 19, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

Im sorry but i disagree. If we replace the leads, it should be perminant. I respect Oblivion and Frostheart, but they shouldnt be leads if they are just going to up and leave without any notice or warning. And if nightshine was made leader, isnt it her call who is made deputy?(No offense Darkhallows). 00:28, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, that's not what i meant, i too respect Oblivion anf Frostheart, but they are the leads. and they are not here to, well...Lead. So thats why I brought up the idea of Temporarry Leads. And Night Shine is already basically doing all the CBA's along with help from Darkhallows. And I would suggest keep being "temporarry" until Frostheart and oblivion come back, So we are not excluding them form there job. It's just a simple and good way to stop PCA from suffering. We need all the help we can get, runnning the Project with allt he apprentices comming up with ideas, the warriors making great art, and the Sr.Warriors doing multi things, this is a big project to take care of and well, I voted Night Shine to be temp leader because she does so much for the project, keeping it running, updating news, adding new members, and well, because she's my Role model. Sorry if i'm getting off topic, but there are alot of reasons, not just one, why i suggested to do this, not just because i wanted Oblivion to stop being leader, opr Frostheart to stop being deputy, Because that is not in any way what i thought because they are doing an awesaome job, but they arn't around, zo we need peopel to look afetr the project. This might be a long and usless message, but hey, i'm just trying to prove a point I think would be helpful. So, sorry. 00:55, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Featehrmono

Hey. Sorry I've been inactive. I'm trying to get on more often, but if I could sort out some of my computer problems, I'd be more than happy to give Nightshine a temporary deputy (or leader if Oblivion doesn't come back soon) position. Like a month or however long it takes for my computer to be fixed. 01:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to add this. Oblivion was at Cuba with her family for a vacation, and her internet has been slow, too. 01:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

That doesnt change the fact that both of you bailed without telling the project why we were left to flounder without any top leads. Just seems irresponsible to me. And i've heard many times that oblivion has left to persue other hobbies. I'm thinking whatver we do should happen soon, the projects falling apart without any proper heirachy. 04:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Not completly, Iceheart. Oblivion posted on her Deviantart journal why she wasn't active. 04:27, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

And I couldn't go on because my internet was being mean. It wouldn't let me edit. So I COULDN'T edit much. And I posted on my user page why, which I took down. Also said it on my dA Journal. :3 And I'm sorry if you think it's irresponsible, but nothing can change that now. And you're wrong about the Oblivion pursuing other hobbies, just telling ya. :3 She has been busy with exams, her computer has been slow, and she's been on a vacation with her family. How is this project falling apart? It seems fine while we were away. Sorry if it wasn't, but at least I'm TRYING to go on (other computers and my iPod, sometimes my computer). It seems to work out fine at this moment. Sorry Iceheart if this message seems inwardly mean, just saying..stuff. XD 04:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, so you're saying it's her fault her internet wouldn't let her on the wiki? I can't say much for Oblivion, but that makes no sense, for Frostheart. . . 05:01, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Did i once say it was her fault her internet broke? I mean you could have posted a quick message on the project page. Sure you guys did it on your da accounts, but what about us without acounts? do we just not get to know? But Frosthearts right about whats done is done, but that doesnt change that we need active leads. I said that the projects falling apart because we're all coming up with new guidelines and rules, but the leads havent put amy into affect or ever acknowlegded them. And im sorry if i sound mean but im frustrated that nothings going on with are plans. 05:21, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

And I quote, "And I posted on my user page why, which I took down. Also said it on my dA Journal. :3" So it was on her page. I haven't heard a thing from Oblivion, however, I kinda think we should just make Frostheart leader, to be honest, though. . . but I responded to what you said because you kinda freaked out, in saying she bailed, calling her irresponsible and saying she left the project to flounder. So you kinda did imply that ot was her fault her internet broke. :3 05:26, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not freaking out, but i guess your entitled to your interpretation dovesong. But i honestly think we should make Nightshine leader, if she wants to, at least until Frosthearts internet is working. You havent been around much either dovesong, so you might not be aware of how much Nightshine has been doing. Wildheart (who is in Maui but has been texting me) suggested that when Frostheart can start editing properly again we could have a vote on who should stay leader, like responsibel people. She just wanted me to share that. 06:05, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think leads (all leads) should have stricter rules then regular users. No edits for a month without notice? Then they are replaced. I know it would help keep me active xD. The project needs an active leader, becuase, although we are running out of characters, the series is far from over. There will be... what is it? At least 13 more books out? At least. We still have a few years, even if things slow wayyyyy down. Darkhallows... Mew? 07:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, I KNOW Nightshine has been doing a lot. I'm just saying it's not necessarily their fault that they haven't been active. Can't always be helped. And honestly, what on Earth. . ? Iceheart, when Frostheart can get back to editing properly, and Oblivion comes back, the positions stay. If Oblivion leaves (I have a feeling she's on the brink of doing so), Frostheart becomes leader. She has computer issues, and suddenly she's irresponsible and we need to vote on a new lead? 08:50, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I've even said before when this conversation first started that Frostheart was having computer problems, but I guess no one really saw that. :P 14:23, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I have nothing against Oblivion, Frostheart, or any other person on this wiki - I consider them great friends and great persons - but I stand by those who say that a lead should inform the project members about an absence, and possibly find someone who watches over the project until they return. And by "informing", I mean a post on the project page (or at least messaging the other leads), instead of a mention in a deviantart journal or whatever. It takes no more than 20 seconds to do it, and is a basic courtesy towards wiki members. This was not a problem in the past - users like Sandy or Insane always posted messages and appointed temporary leads when they could not be online each day (because exams, a short holiday, etc). A leadership position is not a merit but a responsibility that someone undertakes, and should act accordingly. Regards, 14:54, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, I am sorry that I didn't inform you. I wanted to, but it was hard. I fixed my computer (for now). turns out there was a bunch of viruses. :3 What I did was a mistake, but it won't happen again, I assure you. Do you guys forgive me? 17:08, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I forgive you Frostheart. ;D I don't think we need any temporary leads right now. Maybe we should wait a while and see if Oblivion returns and if not, Frostheart can become leader and so on. 17:45, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think Frostheart is forgiven by everyone. It wasn't her fault her internet broke down, life happens. But as for Oblivion, I'm not sure. Some say she has other hobbies while others say she's on vacation in Cuba. So I think we should just wait a little while for Oblivion to turn up, and if she doesn't, we can handle it from there. Those are just my thoughts. MINTSTARR  That peaceful Hawaiian breeze....  18:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we could be mad at you. I have a faulty internet connection as well, and know what it's like. It's not your fault it broke. Darkhallows... Mew? 20:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I forgive ya. Chocolate Frost  20:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Helix, I too agree. But another eason why I sugested temporray Deputy\Leader is to that Frostheart has a chance to fix her computer, and Oblivion has a chance to come back. That way we are not replacing people, and getting into arguments. People, Please we need to keep going. I know that we all might now agree, but Frostheart, your the deputy and you are a big part of the decisions. I think the Sr.Warriors and Frostheart should talk it through without interference of the apprentices. I also think that the warriors should be able to say what they think but the sr.warriors and frostheart end up deciding. Another Idea could be just have everyone help out and keep it running. Like Seriously as much as we need a leader, well, our leader has been gone for almost a month. But Night Shine is doing a good job. And Mosspool showed up, and Darkhallows is more active. See? PCA is as vulnerable as we think. it just needs help. Please forgive my apprentice ideas. But I really care for that every project stays strong. This is a big project, bigger than project:books. But I realize they are suffering to. Please take notice notice of what i'm saying. 21:08, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

I think Helix's idea of if a lead is inactive for a month (which seems a bit extensive, possibly 2 weeks is better) without infroming on the project talk page, they get repalced. It's resonable and a good way to stop conversations like this and keep the project running. I honestly think we should put into place ASAP. If the projects slowing down or not, we still need active leads. And dovesong, I'd appreciate it if you didnt treat me and my friends ideas as if they weren't worth considering. It's not good manners. 21:18, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt ignoring your idea, I just think that they should be replaced if they disappear. I dont mean that they only get two weeks away, just that if they disappear for two weeks without notice then they should be replaced. If they tell the project they can take a year for all i care. Just because i didnt comment on your idea doesnt mean i wasnt considering it or dismissing it. 22:07, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * cough*Excuseme*cough* What about my idea? Iceheart, you just said above that people should consider ideas or at treat them as if they could be considered. My pos tis right above yours, Iceheart. And Dovesong didn't mean to. Plus, I vote a month. I agree with helix. one month seems good. what if they are on a two week vacation? we need to plan carefully. 21:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)Feathermoon

What do you mean, just because I don't like the idea, I have bad manners? I think you're insulting me now. I think a month sounds good. And please don't call me Dovesong. 22:16, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to put my two sense into this; yes, I'm only an apprentice, but, every contributing member's opinion should count. I think that if a leader (or deputy) is not going to be able to check the wiki, s/he should put up a small memo on the project's main page - nothing big, just a sentence or two saying that they won't be around due to such and such reasons. It's not that hard, really, and takes only a few minutes. As for sudden leaves, without notice, that happens a lot. Maybe they got grounded, left on a trip (a surprise to the person, perhaps) or have RL things to deal with. I'm sure we all understand that things do come up. I personally want to see the project thrive, how it did back when I just browsed the wiki as an annoyn. user. Cloud skye  The  Dark   Forest   Is   Rising 22:26, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

I didnt mean to insult you, I was just saying that i wish you would refrain from acing like mine and Wildheart's ideas are bad just because you disagree. But thats not what this debate is about, whats done is done, and i think we should just let it drop. I honestly think two weekes is better. If something unexpected comes up, they can get a friend to tell the project, or go on a different computer. If they cant make contact in two weeks, then chances are a month isnt going to make a differnce and its just a waste of time. 22:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)