Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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Tortoiseshells
Just going to peak my nose in here for a second to talk about something that is bothering me greatly and I'm not sure if someone else has brought up but o well

I'm no expert on cat genetics and this isn't really about that. Tortoiseshell cats are made of two colors, not including white. They have both red and black pigmented patches. These can vary in shades, patterns, etc., but that is what a tortoiseshell is. There is just red/cream, black/gray and sometimes white; non-dilutes typically don't exist with dilutes blah blah blah,

Here is a chart that goes into detail about a lot of coat variations and how they work, what works with what, including tortoiseshells.

Project Character Art went through and gave ginger and cream cats stripes because they are never found without them in nature, so would it be too much to ask that you make sure your "tortoiseshells" follow the rules as well? A red base with a black base and maybe sometimes white. That's it. Not what's happening  here.

If anything you could argue these cats are chimeras, not tortoiseshells, which doesn't fit the descriptions given to begin with.

So ye. Wasn't sure where else to bring this up. Could have just told someone else to have them redone, but worse case scenario someone in the project reads this and learns a bit and stops this from reoccuring.

anyway im out, peace ✌

05:33, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

I thought they were considered smoke torties? They were fine when we brought this whole tortie thing up before, and what real harm is it doing?

??? these are based off real cats? which are smoke torties. we shouldnt have to restrict ourselves to the same pattern over and over, next thing you know itll be "mackerals and classics only because feral" when genetics doesnt mean crap in a world of black footed grey cats. 13:21, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Smoke tortoiseshells are the real thing, and those images are fine. 13:27 Tue Aug 2016

this image is terribly bad. I found an image editor called Lunapic, and I drew Crookedstar. I couldn't get his broken jaw because I could not zoom in to see what I was doing. Yes, he has purple stripes, but they were supposed to be brown. Here it is: -- F e a t h e r  s t a r 2 7   14:58, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

This is still ignoring cats like Sunstrike, but alright. Smoke torties have black-tips to their fur. That's it. They don't have distinct patches of black AND blue AND cream like these chararts show. These coats are incredibly brindled and textured, which is why they appear the way they do in pictures. I'm not saying restrict yourselves (which I honestly don't know how you could do with tortoiseshells,) but at least accurately represent them if that's what your aiming for. Challenge yourselves, if anything. If this project wants to accurately represent these characters then it should do every chance it gets to do so. This is THE Warriors Wiki. Sure, take artistic liberties, but when your art is unrecognizable as to what it should be presenting then take a step back and fix it. 03:51, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

juniper branch is the only one with blue, and that's very easily tweaked anyway. and sunstrike I'm pretty sure is based off an irl cat, and if it bothers you that much it's easily tweaked.

you can go on and on about black furtips or whatever but the reality is they do look like they have large patches of black/dark grey/whatever it is and cream and that's what's being matched, it's an irl tortie and they're certainly recognisable as one so what's the problem. :/ 03:59, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Sunstrike is based off of Icy's cat, actually! It's a very real pattern and I've seen many pictures of her. The black base just takes the place of her white one.

If you want a genetically realistic torite, you can't just replace a white base with a gray one as one cat cannot have both black and gray as Sunstrike's chararts do. However, Warriors has many unrealistic cat patterns and therefore I don't think chararts need to be genetically realistic. 2:50 Thu Sep 1

Darktail
About Darktail...

Why does he have a leader image when he is considered a rogue by the other Clans? Dovestorm (talk) 11:07, October 11, 2016 (UTC) Dovestorm

Because he's technically a leader of ShadowClan; please read Thunder and Shadow. They consider themselves ShadowClan cats, even while Darktail is leading them.

I have read Thunder and Shadow, in fact it says on page 356

'"You were right about the rogues though, Onestar." (...)

"We should have driven them from the edge of our territory ages ago." Rowanstar's shoulders drooped. (...) "They have taken over my Clan.'

Dovestorm (talk) 01:17, October 18, 2016 (UTC)Dovestorm

and it literally calls the shadowclan cats on another, so some part of it still exists. 12:24, October 18, 2016 (UTC)<

Joining
If i apply, id like to join the project membersMoonflower22 (talk) 17:06, October 16, 2016 (UTC)  Moonflower22

I'd like to join the project. I apologize if I am annoying you guys. Xaviapaw (talk) (User talk:Xaviapaw)

I added both of you in. Be sure to read the guidelines. 20:45, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

I would like to join as a project member. An apprentice, please. I have already created a charart that i am waiting to finish being evaluated. Thank you! Winterpaw I'm unleased...Run. 03:32, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

My old status
I'd like to be added back to my former rank. Jaysnow (talk) 02:20, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

I do believe I was an apprentice before. Jaysnow (talk) 15:33, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Jaysnow, it's literally been two days. Please be patient, as the SW's do have lives. Besides, you don't have to be part of the project to post art. You can just reserve and post. 15:35, 10/24/2016

Ah, I wasn't making sure people saw it I was just making sure people knew what status I was so I was added back to the proper rank as the time came. I am very much aware about how busy life can get. And I see, thanks for telling me. I didn't know if that was allowed. Jaysnow (talk) 15:36, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Pretty sure I saw a message that said "*pokes*"...but alright. 15:39, 10/24/2016

Hah, yes you did, but then I realized that didn't seem very necessary and edited it out with something else, with the message you see above. : P Jaysnow (talk) 15:40, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Re-added you as an apprentice. 20:45, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Jaysnow (talk) 05:58, October 25, 2016 (UTC)

Cinders
It says on Cinder's (Sol's mom) page that she is tortoiseshell, but her Chararts are black-and-white. Am I missing something? - Jose1106 (talk) 10:35, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

The art is up for tweak nomination right now. As soon as it passes, the art will be fixed.

Thanks, cause I was a little confused.- Jose1106 (talk) 18:53, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, we just got the cite for that, so it'll take a couple days for it to be altered. We can't just change the colors without nominating it first, and even then, five members have to vote yes in order for it to pass., and then it has to be tweaked. Please, be patient, as there's only so much we can do with our limited activity.

I wasnt being impatient, I was just confused. Also, I didn't know that, interesting. - Jose1106 (talk) 16:36, October 29, 2016 (UTC)

Asking for comments
While this is good and all, I'm really starting to think that three days is much too soon to be asking for comments, given the current activity level of the project. There have been quite a few times where I've seen users ask at exactly three days, instead of waiting, and this seems to be borderline impatience. Yes, I get it, you want an image approved. But asking for comments at exactly three days is getting on my nerves.

One of my recent images, Carpkit, went almost a full week without comments; I fail to see why we should still have the asking minimum at three. I'd actually like to up it to four, if not five. There are loads of other things you could be doing in the meantime, such as subpages or character articles, or something along those lines.

I'm sorry if this is rude, but the current activity level of the entire project, not just the leads, really doesn't permit asking for comments after only three days. I mean, I'd actually like to get rid of allowing asking for comments in general, since I know back when people like Icy and I were warriors, that kind of stuff only annoyed the leads and lead to your images being declined.

Sure. I do think, that if this were to be implemented, that if a user had no comments for 6 (or so) days, then they should be able to have a few extra days to upload (and not break the one week upload thingy) and not get their image declined. There really is plenty to do on the wiki anyway, so perhaps this will encourage others to edit the mainspace more.

If someone does not get any comments, for say, five days, and gets a comment on the sixth day, I would never knowingly decline an image for that. They were waiting for comments, but hadn't gotten any, and that's not something I would personally hold against them. Now, if they got a comment and didn't upload for another five days, then that's another story.

Let's do this for an example:
 * Image is uploaded on the 1st of the month, and is posted that same day.
 * User does not get a comment until the 7th - this would be nearing the seven day mark for uploads. (six days)
 * User does not see comment until the following day (the 8th) would have an additional two days to upload, past the 7th day. (seven days + two extra)
 * So, using this method, a user would have until the 10th of said month to upload an image, before losing it.

Or something like that, to make it fair, as I know users like Sunjaw and myself have extremely busy lives and cannot be on 24/7.

i'm fine with upping it to four (maybe five) but it would also help if our sw's actually, you know, did their job (i am aware people are busy i am too sometimes but its gets ridiculous at this point) or we nominated more ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 19:24, October 28, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with the plan Jayce put out. I would love to be more active again, but sadly being a 21 year old college student means I am not at this time, even with trying my hardest to check on my laptop (not mobile) more than once every day or two. I also agree with possibly nominating more SWs. I am definitely not one to question anyone's activity levels, but I think activity level is definitely a good reason to do a little bit of adjustment and change. 19:50 Fri Oct 28

With declining due to lack of work, I usually look to when a person's commented last, not when they uploaded last. It just seemed unfair to me to count those days they couldn't do anything anyway. :/Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  00:24, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

This sounds fair. 00:26, October 30, 2016 (UTC)