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Talon Alt. (CG) ~ For Approval
Well, he was described like this in Cats of the Clans, so here he is.. I am strangely attracted to alternates.. ._. Fail tabby/Cave Guard xD  Gh  ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  02:33, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps thicken the tabby markings (optional) and I'd smudge the mud in all directions. Also, blur where the white meets with the light brown and perhaps make it whiter... Awesome! 02:39, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Does he have a white chest? Cause this seems to be going off into his shoulder. xD (Correct me if wrong. )Sky- VoldemortxMcGonagall  ftw! 02:42, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Made the heading say 'for approval'. Blur the lighter chest a little more, and there is a bunch of waste between the two front paws. Good job! 15:41, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

There's actually a lot of waste all over the image. 18:52, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Yeah, I was doing this really quickly, so that's why its all messed up. xD Hopefully I got rid of all the waste, made the chest more white (shading caused it to go tannish xD), blurred the mud and the whites going off his shoulder?? Shoot.. Dx Oh, and changes are not showing...  Gh  ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  19:32, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Umm... he has a white chest. Your white only covers less than half of his chest. Look at a leader image with a white chest or something. It goes down to the middle of where their front legs meet. 19:35, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the muzzle counts as the chest, correct me if I'm wrong, because it's white too. 23:57, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

In Cats of the Clan, he is shown with a white muzzle. I added it to his trivia on his page btw. ;) 00:06, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded There, is that any good? :3  Gh  ou  lp  eb  bl  e! '''Trick? Or Treat?'''  00:13, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ok thanks Atelda! And smudge/blur the mud a bit more. 00:37, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading just a tiny bit, and do as Sweetflower suggested. This is neat! 00:53, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened and blurred the mud. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   01:16, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a tad. I can barley see it. 16:29, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Enlarge the white and blur it. 20:06 Sat Nov 5

Reuploaded Brightened the earpink and fixed the chest. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   22:49, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I still think the white on the chest needs to be extanded and slightly darken the shading if you will. 22:56, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Also lighten the white a lot and smudge the mud. 23:01 Sat Nov 5

Try and match the picture in CotC better, make the stripes fainter on the back, add a dark tail tip, and add a white part around his eyes. Here's a ref if you don't already have one. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Lightened/extended the white a bit more, smudged the mud, darkened the shading a tad, added the white part around the eyes and made it look a bit more like the picture in CotC. And thanks for the image, Paleclaw, I had to keep on looking in the book since I couldn't find one online x3 M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   13:45, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

This is great! Smudge the white chest a bit, it'll look more coolio. -- 15:28, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Smudged the chest a bit. :3 M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   15:48, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge and blur the white, mainly on the face, smudge the mud more, and define the shading, especially on the white parts. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  18:31, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Smudged and blurred the white (had to fix it a bit, since it looked a bit weird when I tried to smudge/blur it Dx), smudged the mud and defined the shading on the white. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Try to connect the white parts together. Very nice! 23:38, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

They're not connected in the picture, Sandstorm. Can you blur the white a little more? 23:45, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Blur/smudged the mud more. This looks pretty good to me though. Rain face &lt;3 20:22, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Blurred and smudged the mud, and blurred the white. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:53, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Whiten the white more and blur the left side of it. Darken the shading. 20:59 Mon Nov 7

Reuploaded Whitened the white more and blurred the left side of it and darkened the shading. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   22:17, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading specifically on the white :3 -- 00:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller and less trianglely 01:59, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Darkened the shading and fixed the earpink. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   03:29, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading on the front legs and paws just a little. 17:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded Lightened the shading. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   22:26, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Lighten the face shading a lot, too. 00:04 Wed Nov 9

Reuploaded Lightened the face shading. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:57, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten up the shading and define the mud streaks on the shadowed side. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Scarletwind, lighten it alot, it looks much too dark. Other than that, I'm stunned. It's wonderful. :) . 04:31, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Lightened the shading and defined the mud streaks. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the ear pink. Looks like the is a highlight right there. Very nice! 03:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

He looks extremely dark for being depicted as, " a light brown tabby tom". Just dodge the whole image a few times. Also, perhaps smudge a bit of white vertically up, somewhat like File:Silverstream.queen.alt.png. And it could be just my opinion, but I think it would look much more natural, if the white was farther down, and have a break in between the muzzle and chest. Looks great so far though! 03:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded People kept on telling me to darken the shading xD Decided to re-do him, so here he is! Don't be all blah blah those aren't the right colors and such because I took them right off his picture. -_- M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   23:30, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Much better! Dull the highlights and the ear pink a touch. 00:38, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded No highlight zone here. xD And if I dull the earpink anymore than this, it'll look brown. Just a heads up xD

Can you add mudd to the white chest? 01:06, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Forgot to sign up there.. ._. But anyways, though it may look unflattering, the mud! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   01:22, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the mudstreaks to give the effect of it merging with the fur. -- 06:22, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Done, how does it look? ^-^ M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   14:19, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Slightly brighten the earpink. Looks Fantastic! 01:13, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * / Umm, someone just told me to dull the earpink. I feel that I am just going back and forth with this. So I don't really know what I should do. Dx M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   01:26, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well whatever you decide to do to the earpink, make sure it ends up standing out more from the pelt color. It blends in too much now. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:22, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Fixed the earpink. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   13:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Earpink's fine now. Blurr the white chest into the pelt more - 21:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

There's a bit of brown peeking through along the lineart on the chin. 03:28, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Blurred the chest and the chin thingy. xD M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   16:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks great! CBA? 17:30, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but could you smudge the white more and define the earpink? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  11:44, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Smudged the white and defined the earpink. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   22:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the stripes. I can't see them XD Otherwise, wonderful job. 00:32 Tue Nov 15

I got the color of his stripes directly from the image used in CotC, so I don't think I need to change them. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   01:20, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Stonefur Alt. (D) ~ For Approval
I really hate the shading and the ear pink. >_< Comments? 20:33, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading and the ear pink tons. Make the ear pink smaller and center it as well. 20:38, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I knew that would happen. But I still dont like it and I blured over it a bunch... 22:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink color less neon/bright. Dull it. 22:32, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I tryed to dullen it but I ended up darkening it....I had now idea how do dull it to be truthful... 22:44, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Give the eye some depth, not just one flat color. Blur the shading more, add some between the foreleg and haunch, and have less on the tail. 22:46, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink. 22:57, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I thought the shading was funny. And I did my best with the depth. Looks better now! 23:02, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the earpink. 23:03 Sat Nov 5

Blur the shading a lot and thicken it. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  23:42, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

The shading needs major blurring, fix that. 00:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the heading for you. Anyway, redo the shading so it conforms to the contours of his body and add depth to his eye, maybe change the color to match that image, which is where the alt came from. You might want to tone down you highlights, too. 01:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I re-did the hole thing and I added the depth as much as I could. Comments? 01:43, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred a lot. 03:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blured and blured but it doesn't look to different. Sorry you guys... 03:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I believe this needs to be renamed Stonefur.deputy.alt.png 03:48, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Want a really useful tip for blurring the shading so it looks natural? Take your blur tool, set it on "60", then blur the edges of the shading with a small brush, then get a slightly larger brush, use the blur tool, set it on "100", then blur where you smudged. You may have to do it more than once, but once it looks natural, then you're good to go! 05:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the earpink, and make it more triangular. 13:17, November 6, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded @Twilightheart I tryed but it just ended up with spaces and @ Shadewing I don't really know how to dullen the ear pink but...well I tryed! 16:22, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can help you if you want. 16:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

What with, Stoneclaw? 18:38, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

You don't know how to dull earpink? You just.. darken it.. Perhaps smudge the shading and then blur the smudges a lot. I do that sometimes. -- 19:51, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I made the shading worse...if possible... 20:19, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Do you need help with the shading? -- 22:16, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes plesae... 23:39, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I redid the shading for you and blurred the earpink. -- 00:00, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Much better. Awesome, Snowwy. ^^ 02:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Just blur the shading on his neck.

Reuploaded Thanks for the help Snow.. And I used Ivystripe's thing. THanks for the help everyone! -- 15:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. -- 00:11, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I also darken it a touch. 00:40, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The shading still needs to be blurred a bit. 02:57, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Other than the shading that needs to be blurred, this looks really great. :) . 04:32, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thanks. I actually blured it a lot to be sure. :) 22:39, November 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * ) Better. The shading on the tail just looks to dark, can you fix that? If not, I think it's okay. ^.^ . 23:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Now that I look at it I know see that you are right. *dips head* Thank you for your comment. 01:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful, Sandstorm, dull the earpink. 03:16, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thank you. And changes not showing. Made very nice progress over the few days! I really love this now! 03:29, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the chest shading? 01:02, November 11, 2011 (UTC) Reuploaded I blured everything just to be sure. 01:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Shading still needs to be blurred more. 18:36, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Especially around the shoulder and neck. ;) . 21:23, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Did you smudge the shading on the neck.....? Smooth out the shading by blurring it. -- 12:12, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

I am gonna work on this soon but Snowwy I didn't touch it other than blurring it... Why Snowwy? 20:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe because it looks smudged :P Blur it out nevertheless when you get to work on this. -- 21:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I blurred a lot. The changes aren't showing. Other then the shading I think this is good! 16:54, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Could you blur the shoulder shading a tad? 02:28, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded You say blur, then I shall BLUR! 02:56, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Still need to be blurred more. You can see where the shading and the highlights (if you use them, if not, than the normal pelt color), meet. Try and blend it. 18:39, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink looks like a blob. Please make it more triangular.

I think the earpink looks okay. There's lot of chararts with earpinks like that. 20:12, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Reuploaded I didn't touch the ear pink. The changes aren't showing >-< 21:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink and make it fit into the ear more. Blur the shading/highlights and smooth them out considerably. 00:34 Tue Nov 15

Spiderstar (Lo) ~ For Approval
Special thanks to Oblivion for helping when I was completly desperate! Anyways, comments? 01:40, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

You need to blur the stripes xD I sent it to you just after I had finished in Paint so you could blur them yourself. 01:41, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Fixed the shading/highlights. Also blurred stripes. 01:56, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the highlights go in the proper place, since it looks like a big blotch of light in the middle. Also tone down the earpink, its too bright/hot pinkish it. Love the stripes! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

And fix the miscolored lineart. Also make the eyes look right. (see the apprentice tutorial for how they're supposed to look) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  02:08, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

She can do the eyes any way she wants. It's how I did my eyes, and no one said anything about that. There's no specific guidelines for eyes. 02:10, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Make the background transparent. 02:54, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

But highlights in other places and make the ear pink much smaller. Don't let it take up the whole ear. Also redden it or darken it. Thicken some stripes and lighten the tail. Great! 03:20, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Tone down the highlight a lot. It makes him look gray. 03:23, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Darken/define the shading. As far as I can tell, I only see the highlights. Good job so far! 05:10, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Pretty good for your first charart! Define the tail highlights. 15:07, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Specifically define the shading along the shoulder and thighs. 19:50, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I'm not sure what a lot of those words mean, but I did fix it. I ofund out we don't need highlights, so I took them out, making it look a lot better. I changed the ear-pink. Added shading. And fixed the stripes. Agh, I feel much better. (Thanks Snoweh!) 20:26, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading a bit more as in darken the edges of the charart and as you move into the main body start lightening the shading if you have the light source right in front of the cat. Redden/darken the earpink via the paint brush/burn tool. And blur the stripes more. Nice! 20:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Tried my best! Thanks! (I thought I would suck at this, but I'm doing ok now) 20:57, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink needs to be the same colour as his leader's, but this is nice. :D Sky- VoldemortxMcGonagall ftw! 20:58, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

And how do I do that? Dx 21:43, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the whole thing and define/add shading. Also, to take the earpink off of the leader image, just copy the leader image into whatever program you use, then color pick. Easy. ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  22:34, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a huge amount and try adding highlights. Look at tutorials if you don't know how. 03:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

How do I lighten it? And the tutorial doesn't have a loner example. So I don't know where to put 'em. 11:56, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think on Night shine's and a few other's tutorials there is a section that shows where shading and highlights go on every rank. It's like a big chart or something. Hope that helps! 20:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

If you use layers you can lighten the base coat by just filling it with a different colour, but if you don't use layers you can use the dodge and colourize tools to lighten it (just be careful of the lineart). 21:09, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

There is waste near the tail, paws and head/neck areas-could you erase it? M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   23:13, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink. Do you need help? 02:00, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''RE-UPLOADED. '''Ok, I re-did the base coat, erased the waste. But I don't think I should redden the ear pink, because I got it from his leader image. Unfortunalty, I couldn't find a tutorial on where to put the highlights. (Because the video tutorials won't load) Besides I thought we didn't have to have highlights? Or am I mistaken? 12:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes and make the earpink more triangular. I'm pretty sure highlights are optional, but we do have to have shading I think... 17:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Yes, highlights are optional but you have to have shading. I can still see waste around the charart, so try to erase that and define the shading. ^-^ M is    t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   17:14, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

If you wanna know where to put highlights, they go on the highest point on a cat's body- the shoulder and haunch muscles, the belly, andthe places where the light would directly hit them, such as the front of the face and the top of the tail. The muscle and belly shading should be round. They don't have to be a circle but should at least conform to the shape of the muscle. I hope I helped. 19:15, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined the shading and made the ear-pink more triangular. Misty, I didn't see any waste. SO I couldn't erase it. I personally don't want to add highlights, because I would fail at it, and I want to do the rest of the image (hopefully) on my own. 00:37, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

The waste is around the entire charart. It's faint, but trust me, it's there. 02:58, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Also redden the ear pink and make it a touch bit triangular. Also blur it a lot. This looks nice! 02:59, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just me, or am i seeing no shading? Sorry, if there is, darken it up, please. I love it by the way. :) . 04:36, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Darkened Shading. And erased waste. @Sandstorm Should I redden the ear-pink? I thought you wanted it the same as the leader image? @Thistleberry There is shading, but when I blurred it, it probably went into the whole pelt too. 11:50, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten up the base color just a tad. Otherwise nice job Sweety! Star shine ☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:19, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''I tried too Dx 21:36, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the earpink should be the same as the leader, but when comparing the two, they're just a slight shade off of one another. I say brighten it rather than redden it. Anyways, like you've been hearing all the time, the shading is really faint. Define it by a large amount. I wouldn't darken it because then someone will probably tell you to lighten the whole image, but perhaps emphasize the lighter parts of the shading even to the possible extent of using highlights. Just try things out a bit (I suggest trying layers like in the tutorials if you're not already;)) Love the stripes though :3 03:38, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what "define" means ro how to do it. I probably should have asked before, but I didn't. And whenever I use layers, after I save it, the image comes back in 1 layer and I don't know how to make it come back in all of the layers I used. 11:24, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Do you use GIMP Sweetflower? Because then you can just save the image as a xcf. file. That file keeps all the layers. When you open GIMP with that file, all the layers pop up. But, you have to double save it first as a png. (or whatever file you want) then a xcf. You can't upload xcf. files on this Wiki. Hope that helped! :) 12:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! It did help :D 23:08, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Define the shading, and make the earpink smaller and blur it. 01:00, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hopefully did what you asked. 11:35, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the tail stripes. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:19, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps lighten the whole image a tad? It seems too dark to see the shading. 21:52, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Blurred stripes on tail, plus I tried to lighten the image, I tried soemthing else, and it made a blob... so yeah. 22:44, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the hightlights/Shading. 01:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the entire charart and make sure that the colors match his leader charart. Make the ear-pink smaller and blur it. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 04:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

You need any help Sweet? Don't be afraid to ask if you do. I'd be happy to help out if you need it. :) Define the shading more and everything everyone else said. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I decided to restart and I like it much better xD. I think I'm good, I don't need any help right now. :) 16:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice. There's some waste around it, though. Tilt your computer screen and you can see it. =) 16:14, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Much better Sweety. Shrink the earpink a bit, then blur it. 16:42, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Theres still a lot of waste around the charart, try to erase it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   17:24, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten him the shading a little more. 17:25, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the ear pink and make it a little bit smaller. Also maybe make the stripes a little bit darker. It doesn't look black. Very nice job! 21:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes don't need to be black. Nothing does. Lighten the shading, and blur it. There's also waste around the entire image. 21:05, November 12, 2011 (UTC)\

Beautiful Sweety!! Just blur the earpink lots because it looks solid. Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:37, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Done all those things above ^^ Except for the stripes thing. (Guys please stop calling me Sweety. Sweet is fine xD)

How do I erase it without going into the lineart? 23:51, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Need help? 00:00, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Be very careful. Or move the lineart to a different layer by selecting the black with the magic wand tool if your program has it so that the color is underneath the lines. ~Breezewhisker~ 00:05, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Could you help me with that? 01:10, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I will. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:27, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Here you go. All gone. ~Breezewhisker~ 01:33, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the earpink a bit. 06:00, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks so much Breezewhisker!. Re-took the ear-pink from his leader image. 11:49, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Please blur the earpink Sweet. And it is also too low into the face. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 18:58, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. '''Better? :) 22:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the base coat and darken the shading, if that makes any sense. Darken and shrink the earpink. <span style="">00:35 Tue Nov 15

Leopardfoot (Alt. W) ~ CBA
I think it's genetically impossible to get mottled black cats, so I made her brown instead. Comments? 18:14, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ooh, this is pretty! Blur the darker mottles right near the middle of the back. 20:22, November 7, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Well when you think about it a lot of the descriptions are really odd. Make this black, please, or don't do it at all. Sorry, that sounded kinda harsh :P but it really doesn't make sense to have a description and make a charart that completely contradicts that same description. <span style="">20:25 Mon Nov 7

Re-uploaded Don't worry, it's fine Wildheart. (Thank heavens for the desaturate tool XD) 20:37, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for not taking that the wrong way :3 Blur the earpink a tad and shrink it. This is lovely. <span style="">21:12 Mon Nov 7

Re-uploaded 21:44, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Right now she's spotted, and mottled means a combination of colors. I can only see two. You don't have to copy my Leopardstar image or Mudfur's, but you can use those as a general guide as to what mottled looks like. If anything, put spots of slightly lighter than her main pelt color. 23:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste around the chest area and redden the ear pink. Very nice! 02:06, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading on the back a bit. 17:10, November 8, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Re-uploaded Sandstorm: I think it must have been your computer, because I checked and there was no waste. 18:09, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah my computer was glichting. Sorry. But redden the ear pink and lighten the shading on the back. 03:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Other than what's been said, I see nothing wrong. :) . 04:42, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Define the mottles on the tail tip a little. Nice job! 15:17, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading and blur everything a lot. Very nice! 02:56, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean "blur everything"? It's a mottled cat, so it's supposed to look like this... 03:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, don't blur it please, I love how it looks. 03:04, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 12:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Define the earpink. 00:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the places where the highlights would be if it's there. Also redden the ear pink a touch. Very nice job with the spots! 02:29, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 18:45, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I want to say the earpink looks a bit dark, even for a black cat; but i'm not sure. Does anyone agree? . 21:21, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it does a little. Change the color pallet to maybe a redder color, and stay away from the pink's. -- 17:13, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 14:11, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :) CBA? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  13:20, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Velvet (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? 03:40, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Move the nametag to the middle of her chest and blur the shading a bit. 03:43, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Rename it Velvet.queen.png, make the background transparent and add depth to the eyes by varying the colors from light to dark. Like I said on chat, it looks great! 03:45, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. ''' 04:07, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the nametag bigger and make it hang a little, such as in Nutmeg's pixil (that's the only one I can think of atm). The earpink is too bright. You can take it from an approved white cat (I'm assuming she's supposed to be white?) On the belly, there is a strip of lighter colored pixils, make sure the shading is consistant there, as well as on the top of the tail. 16:26, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Her description says silver, but I just tried to copy the color of her kittypet charart. And due to technical difficulties I can't post the new image until Friday or Saturday :/ 21:18, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the a smidge since the kp version looks abit lighter, and I agree with Ivy on the collar - 23:12, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think the kittypet should be tweaked, because it looks white to me, not silver. 23:26, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The shading needs to be lightened, alot. And can you make the earpink not so bright? Looks nice, though. :) . 04:43, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading everywhere except the face. 04:58, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the belly shading and make the name tag bigger and more circular. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:21, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading, and lighten the yellow on the circle in the collar if you can please. 22:45, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Nice first image here Pouncey! ;) Dull the highlights. 01:19, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste on < that side of her around the paw farthest from us, the area around the collar, and the side of the face. :3 03:43, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Theres some dots of waste around the whole charart, but yes, it's mainley where Atelda had described. :) . 04:51, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Fallow, are you still working on this? 21:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh yes im still working on this, just havent been able to get to a computer all week. 00:44, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Sorry it took so long D: 00:58, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The tag should be more to our left, underneath her chin. 16:25, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the ear pink and the shading. 19:24, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Naw, naw. Teh earpink and shading are good as they are, Darken the shading a bit. - 19:48, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

The collar seems a little off... It doesn't look even with the rest of the head area. Try making it more like Nutmeg's, perhaps. 02:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The eyes look almost...purple. Color pick them from the kittypet image. 22:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sharpclaw(SC) (Alt.W) - For Approval
Right, here he is. I copied the stripes as exactly as I could, but I know the earpink fails. Comments? Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:59, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Nice! Theres some waste between the front and back legs. And make the chest less pink. 20:02, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't Shelly have this up? Cause she does, so, this will have to be declined by a lead. Sorry :( Rain  face &lt;3 20:04, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly has the deputy version up. 20:06, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

There's waste in between the legs. <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink">Spring...✿ 20:09, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Smudge the stripes on his front legs. 20:16, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and make the earpink more defined and pink. 20:35, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dur, I ish dumb, sorry Leopard :( Rain  face &lt;3 20:32, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the stripes on the front legs. 21:27, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Good job with the stripe, but the base color is a bit off... I picked mine right off the image, and it had a slightly orange tint. 21:38, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink smaller and define it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:58, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

The file needs to be renamed Sharpclaw.warrior.alt.png. 22:21, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, it's Sharpclaw (SC).warrior.alt.png. It should be the name of the page, not just the character. 22:24, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot I added the (SC) bit. XD 00:07, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the places where you smudged. 03:04, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

No, if Leopardclaw did that it wouldn't match my image. Define/darken the shading please. 03:05, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Neepgos. The triangle between all the legs is filled in. :P By the way, I think is is an amazing job. . 04:47, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the front paw stripes. 12:02, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded So much smudging! Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  17:29, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

You still need to rename the image. 18:33, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

There's some white where the brown is supposed to be. Other than that it seems perfect to me. ^_^ <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:13, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome stripes! What program do you use to draw them? Also, make the earpink much smaller and center it. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   23:02, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the back paw please. The shading on the paw is too dark. 23:13, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink and lighten the tail shading. Very good job with the stripes! 03:00, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, the white on his chest is too big. And the white around his eye needs to go around the top. 03:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink smaller and blur it. 12:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploded I use Pixlr. It works just fine. And if this hasn't renamed, can someone tell me how on earth you rename images? Yeah. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  17:20, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

To rename it, you reupload it with the correct file name, and tag the other for deletion. 20:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, it's already been renamed. Sorry about that. 20:49, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading. 20:50, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste near the ear closest to us. 20:52, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm actually fairly happy with this. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  19:30, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

This looks very handsome. lol just brighten up the hind paws because they seem very dark. Other than that I don't see anything wrong with this. <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:14, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The white still goes down too low. I didn't make it looked like it stretched down his belly. 21:34, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

You can still see where you smduged everything. Try setting your blur tool on something like 3 and then 60 for strength. Then blur everything. Then make the brush bigger maybe a 3 and then you set it to 100 strength. Blur everything once again. Keep repeating it untill it looks smoother. Very nice! 21:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink please :) 02:29, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Leopard  claw  Look up  to the past…  10:43, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear pink smaller and center it. Sorry but I still think that you can see exactly where you smudged. 19:23, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste around the haunches. <span style="">22:47 Sun Nov 13

Reuploaded Sandstormrocks, I don't want an argument, but if you look at the deputy alt of which I copied, the smudging is very similar to mine. If anyone else objects, though, I will change it. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  18:56, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sandstorm, I think it looks okay. Could you make the earpink a little less red? 20:10, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

And smaller. Darken the shading and erase the waste. <span style="">00:37 Tue Nov 15

Ravenpaw (Ro) ~ CBA
I know he's not ACTUALLY a rogue, but he was mentioned as on in..... A Clan in need I think. XD Whatever the second Ravenpaw manga is. :P By Sandstorm when she was introducing him to Squirrelkit and Leafkit. Don't know the page number as the mangas don't have it, but it's in the browse inside. I took all the colors from the loner image, so don't comment on that. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:53, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading and dull the ear pink and blur it. Too triangular. 03:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The shading's fine, I think. You could blur it a bit more, though. 03:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed the heading. Nice job! 03:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

There's some waste between his back legs/paws. 03:08, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sandstorm, the earpink is great as it is, blurring/shapewise, in my opinion. Maybe enlarge it a tad. I love the colour of it. Blur highlights. Also the white tip on his tail is supposed to be a white ''tip. This one is almost like a white stripe. ''Make it shorter.- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:Navyl">aka Rowantail 07:36, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's like that on the other images, Kitty. It's FINE. 07:38, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a lot. 00:57, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Great job! ^-^ Lighten the shading on the tail tip, it looks almost gray. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   01:42, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

@Cloudskye: I looked on the loner image before commenting, and it looked a bit shorter. But whatever. Also... aren't we supposed to use Italic text instead of caps?- Kittycat79 <sup style="font-family;Arial;colour:Navyl">aka Rowantail 01:21, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Text is text. The caps thing really only applies to the chat room (I use caps to make a word stand out all of the time, btw). Also, they're about the same length, and if anything, the rogue is shorter than the loner, not the other way around. 01:28, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Done. And I'm not whitening the white. It's nearly pure white right now. 04:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe lighten the shading or the ear pink. 19:21, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Looks fine to me, Sand. Not everyone adds shading to their ear pink; I don't. 02:09, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I think you misread again Cloudy. XD Tsk tsk, you should stop going on here when you're tired. XD And Sandstorm, the earpink's from the loner, and I'm not lightening the shading. I've tried, and it looks extremely flat. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  06:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

If I'm too tired, would I be doing this: CBA? 18:35, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice Blanks~ For Approval
Okay figured id finally post these. Its going to take forever to get them approved anyway. So ill make the back ground transprent when im done, and deal with any half erased pixels. Its just easier that way. And ill post the MCAs after these are approved. Its gonnna be a long approval process.... 05:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Stunned* These look amazing. Perhaps thin out the lineart on the forepaw/leg closest to us on the shorthaired blanks. 05:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

YAY MY LOVE YOU POSTED THEM <3 Make the front paw closest to us smaller. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 I LOVE THESE <span style="">05:10 Thu Nov 10

Thin out the lineart on the tip of the tail for the shorthaired blanks. Other then that... yay! I <3 'em. 05:11, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this isn't about how the blanks look. I'm confused, I thought we were waiting to post these until the fourth series was done? o.0  05:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Crouched like that, their shoulders would be higher up and the front of their backs would not be concave. Look here. Specifically at the cat on the top right. These look like their shoulders are dislocated. No offense. 05:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Also, what about MCA's? 05:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she was going to post those after these ones were approved. 05:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, missed that. 05:33, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I'm allowed to comment here, but I can stick it in Photoshop and redline the anatomy for the body if you'd like? If you'd rather I not, I'd suggest rounding the shoulders and smoothing out the back, like Shellheart said. Drop the head down and to the left a bit, right now it makes the front of the neck appear to long and the chest to big. Bring the hindquarters forward slightly to help with the back. This is the closest I could find to the position you have here It's a snow leopard, but has roughly the same shape as a domestic cat. ~Breezewhisker~ 05:42, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

^^^ Why is that person not in our project!? Please join! 05:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Breeze, join us! I really don't have anything to say about this, since what's been said really is fixing up what I had in mind. I just wanted to say lovely job, Iceheart! 05:51, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Shelly, I'd love to know the same thing. That's a very detailed explanation, and it's better then anything I could have said. Wow. Breezewhisker, you really should join PCA. 05:53, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I don't think I'd be good about the regular part in the guidelines, though, with school and stuff. ~Breezewhisker~ 06:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, we're actually doing this 5 months early?? Awesomeee! The chest kinda looks like its not connected to the stomach right behind the front leg, Holy crap these are epic! XD - 06:23, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Okay, sorry if it's just me but the muzzle kinda looks.. akward, the way it's sitting. It looks like it's been moved too much to the side. Hope you get what I mean. 06:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

GORGEOUS! The only thing I can see wrong other than what's already been said is, the tail on the longhair blanks are a bit too pointed. So just to get this straight, once these are approved, we can go on making NEW apprentice images, but we can't tweak any of the old ones till either after the forgotten warriors is out, or after the current series is done, right? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕ <b> ☆StarClan be with you★ </b> 07:17, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

SPECTACULAR! OH MY GOSH! This is amazing. But personally the tail looks a little too bushy at the start of it. 11:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

These are breathtaking! Can you make the top of the head curve round a bit more on the shorthairs, and possibly shorten the neck by a few pixels on all the blanks. 12:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! These are awesome. Maybe make the whiskers a little bit longer? -- 12:24, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The shoulders just look off. There are joints misplaced in it, and there's length is places that their simply shouldn't be length. I suggest reviewing your cat foreleg anatomy and sourcing that up. I know you're going for that half-crouch play pose... But frankly it looks canine in the body right now, not feline. 14:31, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They look so... different *-*. I'm not sure if this has been said, but could you make the shorthaired tals more round at the end? 19:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart, I have to say I'd vote for Breezewhisker to redline the anatomy. She has a lot of experience with animal anatomy. You should see her DA page, it's amazing! And since she offered, you know, it could make things go faster here. 19:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

* Huggles* They're great! Though I do agree with Breezewhisker. *clings to Breezewhisker* You must join us... o.o Okay, done with the stalker part... The long haired tail, in my opinion, needs to be longer. It kind of looks like Berrynose's tail in a way. Other than that, great! M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   21:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Breezewhisker. Also, I agree with Shelly. I think Breezewhisker should redline the anatomy. Also agreeing with Misty; the long haired tails do look like Berrynose's tail. They look a little bit too straight, too, though it may just be me. 21:14, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Should these be made transparent? 21:18, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

She said she'll make the background transparent. Just give her time. 21:20, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay :P 21:22, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome, Icy! I kinda looks like their muzzles are tiny bit crooked, slanting this side ---> and with the longhaired blanks, their tails kinda look like pine cones xPP Can you maybe make it a bit more like the To-be blanks? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 21:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Redlines. I did them fairly quickly, so they're not perfect, but perhaps they'll give you a general idea. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:41, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

They are wonderful, Breezewhisker. Very nice. 22:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa, those are epic! Now you definately should join the project 8DD So, is Ice gonna trace over them or somethin? Oh, and I think you should draw a line over the bases of the tail - 22:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Breezewhisker's redlines look wonderful! Pleasepleaseplease use them! 22:57, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

If she wants, I guess. What I'm mainly trying to show is the skeletal and some of the muscle structure. The outline ones are to show a little bit how the edited structure would make them appear. I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by the line over the bases of the tail, though. ~Breezewhisker~ 22:59, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt talking about your redlines, though. Im thinking the lineart should be connected at the base of the tail - 23:01, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, okay. ~Breezewhisker~ 23:06, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The lineart just seems a little thin around the eyes and whiskers. And the blanks look... a little cartoon-y if you ask me. Perhaps include some depth in the shoulders, and haunches like we did with the prey-hunters? We need to make these look like actual bases. /waits to get shot by Iceheart. -- 23:13, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The long furred blnck on the tail it looks to plumped. Make it go a touch bit longer. Also the ear, amke it a little bit bigger. Very nice!

This is great! Can you make the tails on the long hairs more furry? 00:59, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Epic. :D Can you make the back leg closer to us slightly closer to the body, it looks too far from the body and the front leg seems closer. 01:05, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

The muzzle looks akward. 22:31, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

These look awesome! The tails on the long hairs look a bit, well, fat. Maybe thin them out a tiny bit. Or something. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  08:27, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Just some constructive criticism here-the long haired tails look kinda like Cedarpelt's. and the muzzle looks awkward. ~Regifloat222 Riverstar, Leader of the Thunder Snipes! 17:07, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mmmm, maybe make the long haired tail curve more like the short hairs? <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink"> Spring...✿ 02:11, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The fur on the chest on the long haired ones, maybe make it to where it's more pointed, not that curved, because it kind of looks odd to me. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Iceheart put in a polite request for y'all to hush up for a bit. Right now it seems you're commenting on the images ^up there^, and she's in the process of modifying those blanks to look more like Breezewhisper's redlines, so your comments will amount to nothing until she's reuploaded the blanks. (She's writing an English speech right now, so she can't get on the computer to say so herself) So until she reuploads, don't comment, okay? :3 <span style="">03:34 Tue Nov 15

Willowbreeze (KP) - For Approval
Eh... I'm pretty sure this is gonna get declined. Well, In CP, Twolegs took her into their house. (whatever the cats called it). I wasn't really sure if she would get one or not, so I just went ahead and made this. I erased the lineart for the collar because she didn't wear one. And I took absolutely ALL the colors from her queen image. Well.... comments? 22:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

If she does, define the ear-pink a bit, I can hardly see it. 22:49, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I can see it clearly... 23:04, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think she gets one. Tone down the shading a tad, also blend it in more with the lighter area of her pelt. Define the depth in her eyes. 23:30, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Define the ear pink just a bit, Snow. We won't decline it. It's very pretty! 23:46, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, sorry. Can you darken it a little bit? 00:00, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Birdpaw did and she was still in SkyClan so..... <font face="Maiandra GD" siz="2" color="Green" >Sky-Stupidly <font face="Maiandra GD" size="2" color="pink">Spring...✿ 00:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Dull the highlights on the haunch. 01:47, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  02:28, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste, and she shouldn't have stripes on her earpink. 02:33, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Stupid me :P 02:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and the ear pink. Very nice! 14:42, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

To keep consistent with the highlight in the eye, I think it should probably be lighter running down the foreleg and on the edge of the backward facing ear. ~Breezewhisker~ 18:03, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think this looks a lot like her queen image now. :) 18:39, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lol I think it's supposed to. Anyway dull the ear pink and blur it. Maybe lighten the shading on the back a little bit. 21:06, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Earpink's fine, but blur the shading on the back - 21:31, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Add a highlight that connects the highlights on the shoulder and the hind-leg please. Also blur the shading on her back. 05:53, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it needs the extra highlight, Fallow... It looks fine how it is. 09:10, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Lovely! Blur all the shading a bit. Leopard claw  Look up  to the past…  15:02, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded  18:39, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

If you use highlights tone them down and maybe the ear pink too. 19:20, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'm leaving the earpink the way it is unless someone else agrees. 00:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Toned down highlights a weetle bit. 01:03, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Willowbreeze shouldn't be getting one. She wasn't taken to a twoleg den, she was held in a box by some twolegs at a camp. Not like Leafstar, who was taken into a twoleg den, given twoleg food, and was basically made a kittypet for a day. But that's just my opinion. 18:03, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I shouldn't have said that, sorry. It's not my decision. This is being discussed on the talk page presently. 19:28, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thistleclaw (Alt. W) - For Approval
As he's shown in The Rise of Scourge. 18:15, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

(As I am too lazy to look it up) did you ever get rid of one of your three reservations so you can do this? 18:18, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

No. If I was supposed to, then decline this. -_- 18:20, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. 18:23, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Blue the ear-pink, and there is some gray in between the he haunch, and back paw, and make him long-furred, he looks long-furred. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 18:50, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Theres waste between his legs - 18:53, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Can you blur the ear pink? :) . 18:57, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Enlargen the ear pink and center it while dulling it.Also smudge the paws and tone down the highlights if your using them. Also darken the shading a touch. Very accurate! 21:08, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The shading's dark enough. .-. However, can you blur it and blend it with the highlights a little more (if you use them, that is)? 21:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Could you please blur the neck shading? <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">Star <font color="White" face="Julee" style="background:Black">shine <font color="Silver">☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 21:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

His legs are shown as dark grey, not black. 02:34, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

You forget color one leg..or he have only three dark legs? Leaf-storm,16:45,November 13,2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded: He only has three dark legs. 16:52, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Center the ear pink and blur the highlights a lot. 19:19, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ear-pink is fine, Sand. Define the highlight on the face and middle of the tail a bit more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:07, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Erase the waste, make the earpink just a tad smaller (sorry Scarlet, but she's right) and move the chest highlight to the left a tad/thin out the shading on the left of the chest and thicken it on the right. <span style="">00:42 Tue Nov 15

Just letting you guys know that I probably won't be able to work on this until Friday, because of school. 11:11, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Bluestar (Alt. L) - For Approval
She was described as gray in Into the Wild. Gray is different from blue-gray so she gets an alt. Comments? - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:06, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't she have the torn ear and the scar? Also shouldn't she have a silver-tinged tail? Can you add a light part to her right arm, our left? Looks good :3 02:16, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. @Ivy haha. I totally forgot about the tail and ear. xPP DeRp - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:42, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Isn't that like being described as brown rather than dark brown? I personally don't think that's enough of a difference..... ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:49, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mistystar has gotten an alt for being described as dark gray vs. blue gray so if it counts for her, it counts here too. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 02:50, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think Bluestar gets one. It's only fair if her kits get one for being gray, dark gray, light gray, ect. 02:52, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Fix the chest highlight.. it's really oddly shaped. 02:53, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can you define the depth in her eyes? 02:56, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 03:01, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

It might be me... cuz im new but the tail looks kind of wierd lighting to me. but if im wrong dont get mad at me D: ♪ ★Hollycloud♪ ★ 04:12, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

There's a little bit of left-over stuff outside of the lines between the head and shoulders. And I'd move the eye highlights to the opposite side to match up with the light source. ~Breezewhisker~ 04:35, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Move the haunch highlight to the upper-left so its not in the middle. Hollycloud are you talking about the lighter tail tip? cause it's supposed to be there if your asking. - 04:37, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Mistystar and Stonefur got alts for that, but they were being described as DAKR, or LIGHT gray. They'd have to be dark blue-gray, or light blue-gray for it to be the same kind of situation. If it's just gray, you're simply removing the blue- part. If it's light/dark gray, you're adding onto a normal gray. It actually is different, and I don't agree that she should get one. However this is beautiful, and if nobody else agrees with me and this stays up, could you blur the lighter part of the muzzle a bit more? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  08:40, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. @Paleclaw, I still think this counts but if you don't, I'm willing to listen. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 15:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Redden the ear pink and maybe the scar. Also blur the tail because it doesn't look that blured. 16:56, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Theyre like the same color as the normal leadr image, Sand. It doesnt need reddening - 19:51, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well if everyone else thinks this should be up, alright then. Looks good to me. CBA? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  11:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt CBA... but there's some waste above the left ear, and below the haunches. Erase that, and I'll CBA this again. <span style="">03:36 Tue Nov 15

Onestar (Alt. L) ~ For Approval
This is most likely going to be declined. See CotC, he is some light brown tabby with white markings. Comments? 01:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, you're fine. He looked like he had white srtipes on his legs and tail in CotC, but the error must be put in trivia on his page and the page must be cited before this can be done. 02:04, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

His white markings on his legs and tail look almost pale gray, not white so try to brighten that. And blur where the white meets the brown on the chest. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   02:14, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Also, since you're working from this image, it looks like his body and haunches have white stripes as well. Try to match the image as closely as possible. 02:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Shelly. Maybe enlargen the white strip in the chest. Lighten the shading on the haunch a little bit. Good work. 02:59, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Shading is fine, Sandstorm, oh well, it looks strange... 03:33, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

You could try making the white stripes less prominent as it goes up. That would probably look more natural. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

The stripes look cream to me. My motto is: When in doubt, color-pick! 04:06, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

It looks cream to me too. And could you make the stripes slightly more pointed? It makes them look more natural. Looks good! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  06:48, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Fail. I made the stripes slightly more pointer, and I made them white. Next time I won't choose a such a difficult tabby. 15:46, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

This is actually really cool looking. Blur the white stripes more. Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:22, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

No, I (and I think Ivy) meant the stripes look cream in the CotC image. XD Not on here. I was saying you should make them cream on here to match. :P ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  01:28, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. The bottom stripes are white, but slightly cream, all of the others are white. 03:40, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Gorsetail (NP) (KP) ~ Declined
Gorsetail DOES get a kittypet. Let's leave it at that. I like this one :) 16:21, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Gorsetail was captured and put in a cage. He was not a kittypet in any sense. Sorry, this will most likely be declined. 16:25, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Well Stoneclaw told me he'd get one... 16:32, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

If he does, the eyes are messed up. Sorry about that. 17:23, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Stoneclaw was wrong, sorry. If Gorsetail and all the other cats caught by twolegs and put into cages were to get kittypet images, they would have already. They were not kittypets, just prisoners. On that note, Willowbreeze shouldn't even be getting one. 18:01, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I shouldn't have said that, sorry. It's not my decision. This is being discussed on the talk page presently. 19:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'll decline it for now, but if the other leads and members care to dispute my decision, please, feel free to discuss it. 19:50, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Leafstar (Alt.KP) ~ For Approval
Tried to copy the leader image the best I could, and I worked from the book cover as well. How's it look? 19:31, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Gorgeous Shelly, I am stunned, literally stunned. defing she shading on the front arm. Purty Shelly! Givingheartstar Enjoy :D  19:43, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Very nice! Blur the earpink a teensy bit. 20:05, November 14, 2011 (UTC) Shadewing

Lighten the shading on the back a lot and blur the shading on the front leg. M is   t y pe bb le   ♪Goo d day♪ just go with |undefined the flow   20:20, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Changes not showing at this moment. 21:32, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Aren't we discussing this? Shouldn't you have waited until we reached an agreement? 01:04, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

-headdesk- NEVER MIND. Just ignore me :3 01:05, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Leafstar (Alt Q) - For Approval
Just finished her up! I liek it :3 Now, the patches match it in the manga, but when I take a good look at her leader, I don't think they match up. I know that I need to blur the earpink. Colors were taken from her alternate leader directly. Highlights were used. Comments for improvement? 22:37, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading. It makes her look dark gray. 23:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, Ivy! Blur where the patches meets white a tad more. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:42, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the markings and shading. <span style="">00:47 Tue Nov 15

Thought this is the right color to be white, the leader image's white is darker. I think it's supoosed to match, so could you make the white slightly darker? The is GORGEOUS! ^^ ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  06:08, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest smudging the stripes also. Nice work! . 14:38, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded And Thistleberry, I know you're trying to help, but smudging the stripes won't make them consistent with her alt. leader image. I did smudge the patches, however. 15:59, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Boulder (E) Alt ~ For Approval
This'll probably be declined, but I wanted to try a charart. Boulder was illustrated as a blue-grey tabby in Cats of the Clans. ~Breezewhisker~ 03:51, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

You just need to cite the page... no one touch this. It is the most amazing first charart I've seen. 03:55, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to tell you to improve anything. This is wonderful for a first charart. Wow. Just...cite it, please. xD 03:57, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, how do you cite? XD I'm just destroying his page. ~Breezewhisker~ 04:20, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Want help? 04:22, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Already took care of it, Stoneclaw. =) 04:27, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! ~Breezewhisker~ 04:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Oh my goodness, this is the most amazing image I've ever seen. *.* Am I allowed to CBA it right here and now? XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  05:21, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

If you don't, Cloudy will. 05:36, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I'm going to XD CBA? <span style="">08:02 Tue Nov 15

I'm sorry to interrupt, but the shading on the tail needs blurred, and the stripes are smudged in an unrealistic way. If you are going to smudge the stripes, make t go with the fur, not up and down. The earpink is touching the side of the ear, I've seen people do it that way and were told to change it. Again, I'm sorry I had to interrupt. 15:36, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Honeypaw (SC) (KP) ~ Declined
Mk, here's Honeypaw's kittypet. I <3 Honeypaw hehe. And once the apprentice blank is approved Sandypaw shall be mine!! lol XD 13:30, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

As I stated when I just undid your reservation, Honeypaw cannot get a charart because 1) We don't know Honeypaw's description and 2) We don't know Honeypaw's gender. This will be declined. 13:32, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Same goes for Sandypaw. No real knowledge of color or gender. If we knoew the gender, the charart would need to be gray just like Sunfish's. 13:33, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Okay it's she-cat I know that because she has eyelashes. I'll change her to gray rite now. 13:39, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

No, it isn't. We've discussed this before and decided we can't pick a gender based on eyelashes. Honeypaw and Sandypaw do not get chararts until their genders are stated. 13:41, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Trust me, I don't want to get into a fight about this but seriously, it's kind of obvious she's a she-cat. I mean, what tom has eyelashes? What tom looks like a she-cat is what i'm saying. This is kind of a stupid thing to add but what tom would be named Honeypaw? 13:43, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

The androginous community would like to have a word with you. But, that aside, we've already decided. It's possible for a tom to be named Honeypaw and have eyelashes, we are not making any assumptions. We wait until the gender is stated, and not before. This was decided when his/her apprentice charart was declined, along with Sandypaw's. If you don't believe me, check declined archive 45. 13:46, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Also as your other cahrart hasn't been archived yet you can't even post a new one here. You have to wait for a lead to clear it off the page. 13:47, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

As Shelly's said, s/he's not getting a charart. Till it's CITED, she won't be getting ANY chararts. I'm declining this. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  15:05, November 15, 2011 (UTC)