Warriors Wiki talk:Books

Midnight (Book)/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
Yep, I created the page and added everything. Comments? 13:46, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly remove the Births, Deaths, Ceremonies, and Errors section, and I think Bluestar would classify as a major character, I'm not sure though. Also, is it possible to expand the summary, or detail it? 15:30, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 17:34, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Done. I'm not going to expand the summary as much of the stuff in the book is very minor and isn't worth mentioning. 17:44, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add the navigation template? 22:17, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind me. The navigation template is not complete, and someone can go through and add it when it is. But for now, comments before vote? 21:58, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

We're holding off votes until the navigation template is completed. There shouldn't be any votes or even CBV's until we have everything completed and ready to go. 19:52, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBV?

The Darkest Hour/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
I created the page and all - comments? 15:43, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can the summary be expanded and detailed? 01:01, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. 17:45, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add the navigation template? 22:24, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind me. The navigation template is not complete, and someone can go through and add it when it is. But for now, comments before vote? 22:00, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

We're holding off votes until the navigation template is completed. There shouldn't be any votes or even CBV's until we have everything completed and ready to go. 19:52, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBV?

Sign of the Moon/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
Created the page and completed it. :3 15:51, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Remove Important Events and Errors, as there are none~ 15:31, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 16:32, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add the navigation template? 22:24, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

And the "Warriors Cliffnotes" template. 22:27, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Done, on the cliffnotes, navigation table hasn't been decided yet. 02:20, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind me. The navigation template is not complete, and someone can go through and add it when it is. But for now, comments before vote? 22:00, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

We're holding off votes until the navigation template is completed. There shouldn't be any votes or even CBV's until we have everything completed and ready to go. 19:52, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

CBV?

Sign of the Moon/Chapter 1 ~ Silver Nomination
It's completed, except my computer won't let me add categories, so could someone do that for me? xD 16:28, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

If you can, expand the summary. 16:32, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

I can't, unless you wan't most of it word for word... 17:30, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add the navigation template? 22:25, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

And the "Warriors Cliffnotes" template. 22:28, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Done, on the cliffnotes, navigation table hasn't been decided yet. 02:21, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Into the Wild/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
My first nomination...and somehow I'm deputy. XD Comments? 17:09, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can you add the navigation template? 22:29, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

It hasn't been decided upon yet. 19:58, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's been added. x3 01:04, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

SkyClan's Destiny/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? Wee, I love SkyClan. <3

Remove the Births, Ceremonies, and Errors parts, as there is none. 15:21, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 17:33, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I've had other things to keep me busy. I removed the sections.

Can you add the navigation template? 22:30, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

I have the correct template on the page. We just never got a chance to replace the one that's on there with the new coding.

Sign of the Moon/Chapter 2 ~ Silver Nomination
I realize the summary is long, but it's a long chapter, almost 20 pages long... 18:29, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Elaborate the last paragraph in the summary a bit, and remove the section on "prophecies." There are no prophecies, and it's not exactly part of the original layout, so remove it. I think it's needed when there are prophecies. 06:30, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Does that look okay? 17:06, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yep! 15:20, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sunrise/Prologue - Silver Nomination
Comments? 02:17, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Put it in present tense. 15:18, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Finished, the only part that isn't is a couple of small parts when they are remembering some things. owo 15:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Into the Wild/Chapter 1 - Silver Nomination
Before y'all shout at me, yes the refs are correct, just not for the American version (They're from the UK version). That's the only copy I have so change them if you must x3 Anyway, comments? 16:45, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Can you change Greypaw to Graypaw? 15:17, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for spelling the way I spell. Why does the whole wiki have to be American anyway? Anyway, done. 21:38, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

The Forgotten Warrior/Prologue - Silver Nomination
Created the page. I know I'm not the best at explaining things. e.e Comments? 19:52, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Split up the paragraph please. 23:40, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Also put some of the paragraph next to the first sentence. 15:17, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Done. 16:41, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Night Whispers/Prologue - Silver Nomination
Well that took awhile, Comments? 04:50, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Chapters
Hey all,

I see that the chapter pages idea was accepted, and work has already started. Gret job! :)

From what I've seen, the articles are great.

Some suggestions that came to my mind (I regret I didn't check the page earlier, when there was the discussion / vote; anyway, I mention them, and the contributors decide what to do with it).


 * There should be a nav box on chapter pages pointing to other chapters of the book (or at least to the previous and next chapters). For instance, I can imagine a box like this:

This could be for instance in the top right corner (instead of the table of contents, which can be erased with the NOTOC key).


 * I consider self-references a bit redundant; i.e. in "Midnight/Chapter 1" there should not be references to Midnight Chapter 1 (it's a matter of a couple of pages. I think that we lately took up the habit of over-referencing).


 * Empty sections should be deleted as they look as if the article was unfinished; e.g. if there were no births in a chapter, there is no need for a "Births" section


 * Do we need to grade these articles? Grading was useful for Character or World pages, where many authors needed to make an extensive research work of thousands of pages, so it was vital to assess the quality. In my opinion chapters are a bit simple to get grades.

Kind regards, 19:03, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

I totally agree with this idea. It would make things a lot easier. 18:54, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Helice, you're epic.

Anyways, we //were// planning on adding a navigation template, but that's 'Teldy's area, and she's currently on vacation. XD I like what you've layed out so far. Perhaps once 'Teldy gets back, we can combine //both// ideas.

Sorry, my previous edit was sent before it was ready - I completed it now. 19:03, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Wee, and now I respond to the rest of your comment. Yes, they should be graded, as the rest of the articles are. Galleries and allegiances are, and all the allegiances are is a simple copy and paste from the book. Personally, I think all project pages should be graded, because if they're not, people are going to think that a half-done summary is okay for these pages, when it's not. The whole point of the subpages is to add more detail, and I think that grading is a perfectly normal way to go about it. Just like in PC, a nomination is a way to allow other members to critique an article and provide their own input. It's perfectly okay, and I'm sure the other members will agree with me. Personally, I see no problem with it, and I'm only allowing three nominations per user at a time.

As for the empty sections, yes, they can be removed. I see no need for them to be there either, as it gives the impression that there's more to be added to the article.

Oh, and I quite like referencing, thank you. We can further verify the information shown in the chapter. Plus, it would really help crack down on the entire "false cite" thing we seem to have going on right now.

So, we remove births ect., if there are none? 20:19, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, please. I think it's kinda stupid to have them on there if there are none. I originally said to just put "none" or something like that, but since when have we really done that? On //any// article? XD

Here's the idea I had, but we could always use what Helix has which would salvage the main navigation box, of course we could always have two navigational boxes. Anyways, I leave it up to the project. 17:28, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

The Darkest Hour/Chapter 22 ~ Silver Nomination
I like how this turned out (especially for a first). Comments 18:38, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

If there are no ceremonies, births, ect, please remove the sections from the page. Could you also try and format it like the others are? Look here for the basics.

I tried, but I'm terrible at coding. 18:49, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Can you lessen the detail a bit? It's not exactly a play. Also, some of it is in past tense. Make it in present. 01:29, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I made it persent tense. Also, could you tell me what I should shorten (I'd perfer not to shorten Tigerstar's death, because it's my favorite scene in the series, so I want it to be very detailed). 16:09, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Lessen the detail in /all/ of it.. Also, add the navigation template. 00:26, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think the detail shouldn't be lessened. It gives a good view of what happened in the chapter. 14:08, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

How does it look now? 15:27, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

There's still some of it in past tense. 01:06, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I think I got it all (when Firestar reveals Tigerstar's history, he is referring to past events, so I'm keeping that past tense). 01:30, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Firestar's Quest/Prologue ~ Silver Nomination
Ah, FQ. A book I throughly disliked because it took a while to get interesting. Comments? 09:59 Fri Aug 10

Are there any mentioned characters? 15:50, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. 12:54 Sat Aug 25

Chapter Templates
Ohhey, this is Leggy, your little PB deputy here. Skye and I decided to use Atelda's chapter template for the chapter sub-pages, and it can be seen in use here. If you have any questions on adding it to pages, don't hesitate to ask, and me, Skye, or a SW will be able to help you.

So, yes, this also means we can CBV those nominations up above, and we can re-open votes for the sub-pages. Skye and I made an official decision, as well, for the votes that were added earlier. We're just going to re-use the vote page, because we're both too lazy to make new ones. :3 00:47, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, everyone who voted on the last one will need to revote. It's basically a new nomination, but we're reusing the pages, since making them is tedious enough as it is. It'll last for five days, like any Silver Nomination.

For the chapter templates, (well on the SoTM one anyways) it doesn't have a chapter 15. It's missing the "5" in 15 so it links chapter 1 because it isn't coded in as chapter 15. I hope I make sense, but if you look on one of the SoTM chapter pages, look in for the list of them, and it doens't have a 15, just a double one. 17:04, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. It was just a simple error with the coding. 8D

Couple Ideas
So I've been wiki surfing for new things to use here and decided to test out a couple ideas I had seen on my kinda of "sandbox wiki" so to speak, here.

First thing I thing I found is having the switch template used for having both the front cover and the back cover for the books in the template. Considering it took me and some others quite a while to even find where we have the back covers on this wiki, I think it'd be good to have them in the template. As well as in the cover gallery.

Second thing would require having Teldy edit the JS for the wiki, but I think it'd be a really cool idea. you can get a sample of the book from amazon and have it displayed on the wiki, as seen here. Then you can have a preview for the book linked in the book template. It's quite easy to get the book previews to work. Just a simple code pasted into the JS, then a number put on a page, and the wiki does the rest automatically. I think it'd be fun to have on here.

So yeah, those are a couple things I've found and tried out, and I think they'd be beneficial to have here. What do you guys think? 15:51, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm up for the switch being used for the covers. 8D I'm half asleep, so I'll actual say my real opinion later. But would we use the hardcover or paperback?

8DDDDD. This seems like an awesome idea! I support both ideas 100%. It will allow users to see the front and back of books, and get to read it a little. 8D 18:41, September 1, 2012 (UTC)