Warriors Wiki talk:Characters

Ken and Jean - Separate Them?
This article is the only character article that has planned status. I want to see if I can change that. :)

Before I start digging in, I want to see if anyone would like to separate them. I personally believe that we should. I know that they're not major characters, but we've made article for cats without names, so I see no reason why each character shouldn't have their own pages. What do you guys think? Leave your thoughts down below and I'll weigh both sides and possibly create a vote accordingly. :) 15:51, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but didn't we make articles for Sol's Father and Leafstar's Mother simply because they had relevance to their individual plots? With Ken and Jean, the two are only relevant to the plot together, in my opinion. There'd be a lot less to write about them seperately than together, at least in Jean's case. 15:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I always wondered why they weren't separate. I think they should be, because they are different characters. Their individual roles should still be acknowledged, no matter how small. Look at the allegiances-only cats. They have articles of their own, even though we'll probably never see them do anything important in the books, because they're still characters. 17:49, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, they are seperate characters, and should be treated as such. 21:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I think they should be separate characters as well. We do the same for other minor characters, instead of grouping them together. Mistkit and Nightkit, for example, as well as Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father. Just because they're human characters doesn't really mean much of anything...and since the page is only "started" status, we wouldn't have to worry about changing any of the gradings.

Have we come to a conclusion on this? Are we going to separate them, or not? This discussion has been sitting here for almost a month with no feedback.

I vote that we separate them. 16:52, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

No. This needs to go to a AfD. 03:48, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Senior warriors and citing ranks
Wow I completely forgot to bring this up. xD Anyways, so I was discussing with Teldy about this a bit, and she said to bring up an actual discussion about it. I was editing a bit the other day and noticed a couple of characters who were in the senior warrior category, though I have no memory of them ever being mentioned. As it's a category, I can't add a cite tag to it, and even if I could, nobody could cite it to prove they are one. So I was thinking perhaps we could list them in the charcats like any other rank, and cite where it specifically says they're a senior warrior. But then we also couldn't cite those and not the other ranks, as it'd be inconsistent. So maybe we should just cite all ranks in the charcat? It'd be helpful with more than just the senior warriors too, for instance, characters like Pad, who's in the manga only which I know a lot of people have never read, is listed as a Loner, Kittypet, and Kit. However he's only a kit, and he was only in one book. So how do we know it's real unless you can read the book yourself? Am I rambling?

Anyways, so what do you guys think? Should we add the Senior Warrior rank to the charcat, and/or cite ranks? 08:54, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be hard to cite where a character is mentioned as a SW, but it wouldn't be impossible to find. I'm not against the idea. 15:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

I also think it'd be a good idea to cite the other ranks (like kit, elder, etc.). 15:50, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it would be hard to find the cites, but in a way, that's kinda the point. So few SWs are mentioned in the series, and yet there's so many in the category. If it's hard to cite, a lot may be taken out due to lack of cite, which is the point. 00:45, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

That's true. I agree with this idea. 13:11, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, Paleh. I don't remember some of the cats in that category being called SWs... 01:15, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree we should cite the ranks. However, I don't know about adding the SW. In fact, I might put up an AfD for that category just because it will always remain incomplete. We basically know all of the SWs in ThunderClan since that's where the point of view is coming from. But we have not the faintest clue who's SW in the other Clans. I mean, yes, there's the ones who are older cats than some of the newer ones, but we still don't know for sure if they are SWs. Then there are the middle group where they've been alive a couple of books, yet they're not as old as others, and we really don't know. 01:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmm true, it won't ever be complete, but then most categories won't ever be "complete". We probably won't know every Windclan cat for instance, or every Tribe of Endless Hunting cat. But you're right, the only ones we really know are ThunderClan. I'm not sure it's really needed. I'd support and AfD, but not necessarily cause it won't ever be "complete". 21:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. I have an idea for citing a character being described as a senior warrior. If one cat is newly mentioned as one, cats that are of similar age can have that used as their citation as well. That would make sense, since I'd think age pretty much qualifies a cat for a senior warrior rank. Oh, and yeah, I'm trying to be helpful to other projects now, so hi! :) 21:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Ohai Ivy! 8D But it's not always about age. Usually, but not always, so it'd be assuming if we cited a cat as a senior warrior cause a cat a similar age is one. For instance, Thistleclaw and Tigerclaw established themselves as senior warriors fairly young, before Bluestar even, who was older than them. 23:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I would cite the ranks, however, I still am against having senior warriors being added. While "being incomplete" is definitively not a legal reason to delete a category or disregard the rank, it's still pretty biased. I mean, we'd have most all of ThunderClan as senior warriors and maybe some RiverClan due to Crookedstar's Promise, but otherwise it'd seem we would be favoring ThunderClan. Plus, as Paleclaw said, age is a hint but not a fact. 03:33, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Snowy ~ Silver Nomination
Um, I would like to nominate Snowy for silver. I did random page, and what do you know, Snowy came up. :3 I am trying my best to edit her to make her legible for silver. 00:17, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

OK, but you don't need to nominate a character for bronze, you only nominate them for silver and gold. 00:47, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry, I'm really nominating Snowy for Silver. :3  21:19, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Expand Firestar's Quest if you can. 21:21, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

It's OK, and can you add maybe one or two more quotes... Ducksplash    Talk!  PC  Edits  21:43, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Kay, added a quote and added a sentence to Firestar's Quest. :3 00:42, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Mmm...this is completely optional, but you might consider changing the main quote. Maybe to the first one in the quotes section about how she spends time around Twolegs? 15:27, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Changed Main Quote. 14:37, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Could you reword the I think fourth sentence in the Firestar's Quest paragraph? The one about her not paying attention to the new dog, it's worded in a confusing way. 23:41, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Meh, I tried. 23:30, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

In my eyes, I believe it's finished. Snowy is now silver in PC, if you don't mind. ;) 20:19, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Please read the guidelines. 20:21, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

No, it needs to go through a voting process, which will only happen once Atelda, Moonflight, or one of the other project leads CBV's this nomination, and places it up for voting. You cannot just change the article grade from bronze to silver/gold at your liking. The only rankings users can change without voting are from planned to started, and from started to bronze. Nothing higher.

Piketooth ~ Silver Nomination
I redid a couple things, added a bit of history. Very minor character... Comments? 22:20, April 29, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine

Could you add maybe a couple more quotes?

Can you try and detail the history a little more?

Gar I was gonna nominate him. :3 Can you combine some of the paragraphs? There seems to be more than necessary. 22:39, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I own Crookedstar's Promise, so I looked for quotes before I nominated him. There aren't anymore

Done. I detailed the history as much as I could. With the combining of paragraphs, all of them were about different things, so i couldn't really combine them.-- 20:39, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine

There's a status issue on his page. Can you either fix it or have someone else fix it? 13:08, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

(I fixed it, Chez, it only takes a second.) In the third paragraph from the bottom, is it possible to detail Crookedjaw and Willowpaw's conversation any more? 13:33, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I know this was already addressed, but it's not pleasing to the eye to see all those small paragraphs just derping around. Try describing the situation as much a possible, just to put it into perspective timewise. Maybe mention what Crookedjaw was doing when he saw Piketooth doing things (i.e. Playing with kits). That should make it easier to combine. 18:27, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Willowshine ~ Silver Nomination
8D Willowshine~ Her style and history seems quite well now, except the sections of Po3, which I'll get to. Comments? 04:12, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

You might consider changing the main quote. Just because there are more descriptive ones, like when she talks about how much she loves being a medicine cat and what have you.... x3 04:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expant the sections Dawn, Sign of The Moon, Eclipse, and Outcast in any way?

If you've fixed the concerns on her talk page, can you remove the box saying that she needs improvements? 01:11, May 4, 01 (UTC)

I removed the style template, and I changed the quote, but it was changed again...*shrugs* I'll get to the history now. 19:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Weedwhisker ~ Silver Nomination
I reworded the history a bit, and added some things. I couldn't find any quotes to add. Anyways, comments?-- 23:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine

Could you reword the first paragraph and expand the next two sentences?♘ Duck Splash ♞ 12:18, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

On his talk page it says he's only started status. Can you change it to bronze? 13:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

I upgraded it to bronze. But could you detail the second paragraph of BP? I seem to remember either him saying something about Bluepaw's squirrel, or one of the warriors saying that he'd enjoy it.... 23:38, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

This has been up for much longer than needed. I'm going to take over. 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sol's Twoleg
Should the twoleg that owns Sol in The Rescue be given a page? She appears physically, has lines, and makes a major impact on the main plot of the book. We have cats with articles that make less of an impact and don't ever appear at all. I'd figure we'd either name the article Sol's Twoleg or Harry's Twoleg. I've already added her to the twoleg page under significant twolegs. 21:35, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that she should. If she has lines, then she should. 21:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

I Agree♘ Duck Splash ♞ 22:01, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you're right, Shelly, she should. She's a significant character, human or not. I'd say "Sol's Twoleg" would be a more appropriate name than "Harry's Twoleg". 22:04, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

"Sol's Twoleg" would make a lot more sense, since there may very well be people that haven't read the SkyClan graphic novels, so they might not know who Harry is. I mean, yeah, they could search it, but, we'd be better off putting "Sol" instead of "Harry", since that's what his name is as of now, and what he's known as. Plus, Sol even said that Harry wasn't his real name anyways.

Ken and Jean were given articles, so why not for this one? I agree. 22:55, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Sol's Twoleg should get one, she spoke lines and was seen more than once. It should be called "Sol's Twoleg" (IMO). I agree with everything that has been said already. :3 20:37 Thu May 3

Sol's Twoleg, sorry it's not much but since this conversation has become mute, I decided we should move this forward. 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Cause of Death in Charcat
Okay, so I was discussing this in chat, and  mostly >.>   everyone thought it was a good idea. So hear me out.

Adding cause of death to charcat. Yes, it's already in the article, but so is their post-death, their name, their Clan, their family, their deputies, their apprentices, their mentors, their preceding and following leader, etc., etc. It could be between the age and the post-death. For example, Willowpelt would be just "Death = Killed by a badger ", the cite being the exact page the cause of death was identified, not the page they died on. If a cat was killed by another cat, it would be "Death = Killed by (for example) Scourge(cite)" For leaders, it could be the cause of death of their last life, the one that caused them to actually die (Bluestar drowning, Sunstar dogs, etc.).

Thoughts on all of this? 16:48, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea because it kills the need to waste time of scrolling down to the last book they appear in before they die to see why.-- 16:50, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea. They already say if they're dead or not, so why not add how they died? owo  Jack  never let go, loonie ❤  17:47, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with this. More information we can add 8D 18:04, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. 19:00, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

It's good to me...but we need to be really careful about what we add, and it should be added if and only if it's been directly stated in the book. No "I thinks" or "this may have been how they died" or any of that. There are going to be people that think a character may have died of sickness or old age, when in fact it could have been something else. If we don't know, and can't provide an accurate reference where it's been directly stated, don't add it.

Exactly. Even with Firestar. We don't know if it was the wounds, the fire, or a branch hitting him on the head or something that killed him. 19:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

No, actually, that we do know. Kate said that it was his wounds caused by the battle with Tigerstar that killed him. The fire was to bring Dovewing back to her senses.

All right. So for that, we'd need a cite that linked to her blog, or wherever that was. 19:12, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

So... it would be something along these lines?


 * Death = Killed by wounds (revealed on Kate's Blog)

Or, however you want to do it...

No, no. It'd be like a regular cite. So Death = Killed by wounds[1], with the cite linking to Kate's blog. 19:17, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Even though I disagreed with it in chat, I think now that it'd be a good idea. 22:46, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds Great!♘ Duck Splash ♞ 18:33, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

So long as it fell beneath the spoiler warning, I'd be fine with it. But what would we do with leaders? List nine deaths? Or just list their final death? 00:30, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

For leaders it would be their final life. That'd make the most sense. 00:40, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, especially because when leaders lose a life, it's not a permanent death (unless it's their ninth, of course). We already list how a leader lost each life at the bottom of the article. 15:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's all fine and good then. The admins are currently in the middle of tweaking the charcats anyway (adding in a toggle that will allow the charcats to show two chararts at once), shall we ask them to put this in while they're working on it? 15:50, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should 15:53, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mmhm. It can't hurt to ask anyway. :3 13:25, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I can add in this part. Do we have a community consensus? 03:37, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

I'm consenting. -totally not biased- 03:39, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Certainly no objections from me.

Seems so, yes. 03:57, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I support this. 22:37, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

I support. But just to be totally clear, we're only adding this if it's completely clearly stated what the cause was, correct? 01:06, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

[Should have commented on this before] I support. ^^ 01:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I should note, I feel we should keep the second deaths for cats that are killed in StarClan or the Dark Forest after dying once already. They are killed a second time, we should list it under their causes of death. So please stop removing that info from the charcats. 15:35, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. It's not their bodies that are being killed, it's their spirits. They have already died. This section is for initial death only.

Also, just because you "feel" something doesn't make it law. Let's decide something before adding it into the article and demanding it stay that way. 19:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Loon, let's make a decision before you go around removing it, eh?

Their spirit dying is a second death. The section is for cause of death, and if they die twice we might as well list both. I understand not listing all nine deaths for leaders since we already have sections for that, but for cats that die once and then are killed in the afterlife, we should list both instances. It'll make it as thorough as possible. 19:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

A decision should be made before the stuff's even added in the first place.

I think it should be used for what caused them to go to StarClan. They're already dead when they fade. Initial cause of death only, imho.

Agreeing here, first death only. And yes, things that weren't discussed should be removed until discussed further, not kept till then. 10:17, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

New Feature on Charcats Coming Soon
For those of you that don't know yet, a new feature on the charcats will be coming soon. At the moment there's a few kinks that are being worked out, but it'll be done sooner than later.

The switch template will be for characters such as the daylight warriors who are two ranks at once. The page linked shows how to use it when it's all done. Sicne this template will be only effecting character articles, I figured it'd be best to post it here. ^^

Ciao. 04:00, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Willowpelt - Silver Nomination
I've wanted to nominate her since I first joined PC. Anyway, I changed the main quote, and I'll be adding more this evening. I expanded the overall history, and added a section for Midnight, because she was mentioned. So, suggestions? 00:24, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

This is just a pet peeve of mine, but could you get the quotes section in chronological order? 01:13, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expand the Fireand Ice and A Dangerous Path sections? 02:24, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I fixed the quotes. Why on earth did I arrange them like that? I can't expand Fire and Ice because I don't have the book, but I'd really appreciate it if someone who does have it could help me out. If there's anything else to add, that is. I can't expand A Dangerous Path at all, but I rephrased it a little. 14:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I can help you out with Fire and Ice. 15:10, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

That would be great; thanks! :3 13:52, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Is this still being worked on? 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I am, but I don't think Berryflower has expanded FaI yet. 01:31, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky's Facebook in Template:R (again)
So I decided to try out adding Facebook to the R template again by stealing the old code and playing around with it, and I think I found a way to do it that may be useful. Not perfect, but usable.

Each common cite used can be added to a page, like R/b, and given a unique name. For instance, there's a cite where Vicky confirms all the parents of the original main characters in the original series, Sandstorm, Dustpelt, Ravenpaw, and Graystripe. That would be named oskits or something of the sort. Now this method is only really useful for very common cites, such as family cites and such, but I still think it'd be useful to have.

Example;

Makes

Make sense? Any comments or questions? 01:01, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, forgot to mention, the page that lists the names for the links is here. 09:58, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Good work.

After StarClan only knows how many hours of playing around with the code, it works. Now, let's hope it //stays// working. =P

Coal ~ Silver Nomination
Ogawd I started this back during the winter break. owo Anyways, I rewrote most of his history, and bumped him up to bronze. Any suggestions? 23:26, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Are there any more quotes that you can add? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  03:09, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Added a quote. I couldn't find much else...o3o 12:43, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Could you rephrase Dawn? Otherwise, looks pretty nice. 20:49, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Uh, I think I might need a little help with that one. My copy of Dawn just fell apart. 12:26, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

I take a look, if you want. 14:49, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

That would be great. Thanks ^^ 01:26, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, done. 16:18, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Harespring - Silver Nomination
I expanded and reworded his history and he looks good. Comments? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  19:30, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expand Eclipse some more? 20:01, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Finished. ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  20:35, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Expand and/or elaborate The Last Hope. Nice! 02:07, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Finished and Thanks!-- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  17:54, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Quotes? 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

How could I forget quotes? -headdesk- I added three. -- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  18:58, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

The main quote doesn't do him justice, maybe one from the DF? (Do we have to have a discussion first to change it?) (Or does everyone think its fine.) Also, After Sunset could be expanded. 19:58, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

There isn't any quotes from the Dark Forest, because in TLH Birchfall just mentions that they're going to meet him, Sunstrike, and Larkpaw to practice battle moves at the border. I can't find any more of After Sunset We Need To Talk, because I've never read it, but if you can help me with that, it would be great! Also, that was the best quote I could find of him, unless there's a better one in After Sunset. -- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  20:21, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind I just found it. I changed the main quote, added two more quotes, and expanded After Sunset. -- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  20:39, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Rock Beneath Still Water ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? I can't expand Dawn, so don't even ask. xD

Any more quotes? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  22:05, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Nope. None at all.

Squish the second sentence of the first paragraph of Dawn into another sentence that pertains to Rock. Otherwise it looks great. 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I can't add anything that has to do with Rock, since he doesn't actually appear in the book itself. However, I did play around with it so it actually makes sense...

Flight of Startled Heron - Silver Nomination
She's a really minor character, not much more I can add. Comments? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  05:10, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Is there anything more you can add for Dawn? Also, how about another quote? It says that she was talking with Swoop, so is there more to the conversation aside from what's on her page already?

I added two more quotes, and no, there is nothing more for Dawn, and I expanded Outcast. ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  22:20, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Halftail and One-eye's ages.
It states on Halftail's page that he is older than One-eye. Is this confirmed? Or is it just assumed he is older because he was a Warrior when she was an Apprentice? She could have been held back because of her blind eye, and could've need more training than warriors with complete vision. Thank you for your time :3 -bows- 10:45, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Brightsky - Silver Nomination
Oh, Wikia, I love how I spent time preparing this article only for you to crash when I was done. I really appreciated it, thanks. In all seriousness, the article itself was in good shape, but the history needed expansion. I added some extra quotes too. Hm...well, comments? 00:41, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

There's an abundance of quotes of which I would recommend picking 4 or lower and removing the rest. There are also a few odd, minor, one sentenced paragraphs; if you could possibly find a way to squish those into some other paragraph, that's be awesome. The history looks wonderful though. 18:21, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

I narrowed down the quotes to three. I mashed up the short paragraphs, but if it doesn't flow well, I can fix it. Thank you. ^.^ 00:06, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Loudbelly ~ Silver Nomination
CP needed heaps of expansion. Well, anyways, comments? 12:43, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can you expand Fire and Ice? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  18:10, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded it as much as I could. 03:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Can you possibly expand Dawn? 18:22, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

I tried, all I could do was make it a little more descriptive. 03:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Also expanded Crookedstar's Promise, bigtime XD 04:51, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Lapping Wave- Silver Nomination
I could probably expand some of his history in SotM. Comments? First nomination ever. 21:03, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded SotM.-- 01:15, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Tangle ~ Silver Nomination
Wasn't much to work on in the manga books, but I'm flipping through SkyClan's Destiny and Firestar's Quest right now, so I'll edit his a bit more soon. Comments? I will also be adding more quotes. 03:58, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Expand SkyClan's Destiny. 18:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded Firestar's Quest, and added a new quote. I'll add more to SkyClan's Destiny in a bit. 02:34, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Softwing - Silver Nomination
Before, I expanded a little bit of history in CP. I will be adding some more quotes in the near future. Comments? 18:27, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

There needs to be the cite that only Thunderclan's allegiances were listed in BP. I'll add that in for you.-- 19:19, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I was trying to find it xD 19:21, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Are there any more quotes? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  22:23, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

If you've taken care of the concerns listed on the talk page, could you cross them out and remove the template at the top of the article please? 16:58, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

All set Holly. I added another quote and I will find more if needed. 16:44, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Windflight ~ Silver Nomination
I would like to nominate Windflight for Silver status; I added details to his Bluestar's Prophecy history and replaced/rewrote some of the sentences, as they weren't in event order. Starry Hawk My Talk!  01:35, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Nice job! Can you add a few more quotes and remove the template on top of the page? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  01:50, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I added 3 quotes and removed the template. Starry Hawk My Talk!  02:18, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

One of the quotes has a typo in the description. Also, is it possible to add dialogues to the single quotes? 22:47, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I edited the typo; and how do I add dialogues? --Starry Hawk My Talk!  23:25, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Like this. Does that help? 23:40, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Dappletail - Silver Nomination
Expanded the history and added some new quotes. Comments? 01:34, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Is there any way you can expand Secrets of the Clans? ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  21:55, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Looks awesome for the most part. All I think it needs is the Bluestar's Prophecy section to be edited. Could you try to combine the little paragraphs. I wrote something, maybe include a little context. :) 22:33, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, there isn't anything else in Secrets of the Clans. I worked on BP. 16:20, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Idea for Charcat- Book of Birth and Death
I believe that we should have an info box thing in Charcat that says what book the cat was born in and what book the cat died in.

I'm unsure if I submit ideas on the talk page....

<font color="#C0C0C0" face="Tempus Sans ITC">Starry Hawk My Talk!  07:11, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, we already have the books living and books dead sections so I don't think we need this. But I understand how it could be different. 19:46, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it is very necessary.... You can either look at the infobox or the character article to find out. 17:30, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm well aware that we can look at the info box, but sometimes, the cat doesn't physically appear in the book. As for the article, I doubt people would want to search the history to find the birth or death of one cat. --<font color="#C0C0C0" face="Tempus Sans ITC">Starry Hawk My Talk!  17:37, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I don't quite get what you mean. IF a cat's born, and we know they are, that book's added to the living books, regardless of whether they appeared or not. Fore xample Brackenfur wasn't mentioned by name anywhere in Into the Wild, but we know he was alive then due to later revelations, so he's listed as alive in there. It's fine as is, the whole birth and death thing isn't really needed. 20:16, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Gorsetail (P3) - Silver Nomination
Doesn't appear much, so I don't really have a lot to say. 01:31, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Any more quotes, I remember her saying a few things to Jayfeather in The Last Hope. -- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  04:05, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

She doesn't appear in the Last Hope, at least I didn't see her. 02:36, June 2, 2012 (UTC) Oh Celestia, I'm blind. I'll get to work. 02:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Running Horse - Silver Nomination
This was an article that I worked on a while ago, but I never got a round to nominating. Does it need any work? 22:19, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Crookedstar as a Loner
Alright, I'm officially moving this conversation to where it belongs, which is here. PCA's been arguing about whether or not Crookedkit was a loner when he left RiverClan and spent a couple months on a farm with other loners.

The conversation started with whether or not the cats that went to sun-drown-place should have gotten loner ranks, and led to a discussion about Crookedkit.

I'm of the opinion that there's one huge difference between these cats:

The travelling cats left on Clan business, sent by StarClan to save their Clans, and thus never stopped being Clan cats.

Crookedkit left on his own without permission and by his own free will. Sure, he did intend to return at first, but once he gave up going to the Moonstone and just stayed with the loners at the farm, I see no reason to not consider him as having been a loner at the time. He was over nine moons old living outside of the Clans without holding any ill will towards the Clans, which fits the bill for loner pretty cleanly.

Thoughts? 22:26, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. He was over 6 moons old and didn't have a specific owner or group.-- 22:30, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you on the cats who left for the sun-drown-place, but I don't necessarily think Crookedkit is a loner. He still had influence from "StarClan" i.e. Mapleshade during his time on the farm. 23:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but what does that have to do with being a loner? Ravenpaw is influenced and believes in StarClan, too. 23:54, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to always stick by my argument that he does not deserve to be classified as a loner. For one, Mapleshade said "If you stay here much longer you will be one", and that's when he decided to go back to his Clan. He did not want to be a loner and always considered himself a loyal RiverClan cat. He left to go to the Moonstone, not to run away and become one. He always had the intention of going back. Ravenpaw, on the other hand, never intended to go back, and so he hasn't.  00:01, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why should it matter what he thought he was? He stayed away from his Clan, even after he abandoned his quest to go to the Moonstone. He forsook his place in his Clan, and when he returned he was punished for it. I'm still of the opinion that he was a loner. 15:31, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Frankly, I'd call him thinking he's not a loner as pure denial, and Mapleshade telling him that he'd be a loner if he stayed as her saying anything to coerce him back to the Clan. She lied to him plenty of times, why should this be any different? 15:34, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

And think about it. If Leafpool had left with Crowfeather, but the entire time she was gone she kept thinking to herself that she was ThunderClan's loyal medicine cat, would that have made her any less of a loner? 16:01, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with Shelly, Crookedkit left his Clan, he knew what he was doing. -- ☛Duc kspl  ash☚  18:54, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

We labeled Graystripe a loner when he was actively trying to return to his Clan after being taken from it unwillingly, did we not? Why not do the same for Crookedstar, who willingly left his Clan and wasn't trying to return for weeks despite being perfectly capable of doing so? 19:35, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

You all make great points as to why Crookedkit would be or would not be classified as a loner. In my own person opinion, I believe he should be classified as loner. He was over 6 moons old, which means he wasn't a kit anymore, and he didn't belong to a specific Clan at the time. But, he still classified himself as a Clan cat, so a part of me believes that he wouldn't be a loner. I'm torn into two n this, but I think he probably would be classified as a loner. 11:42, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hussar - Silver Nomination
Expanded history, and added the one and only quote that really showed Hussar's personality. 23:13, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Harveymoon~ Bronze nomination
Well, on his talk page he is graded started, so why not make him bronze? If I'm doing this wrong, please tell me. I've already added some quotes, I'm just going to work on the articles. 20:22, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

We only nominate articles for Silver and Gold. If you want, you can nominate him for Silver, and change his status to Bronze. Best, 20:24, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

A tip for quotes.
Hey all.

I was troubled about Tumblekit's article for a little while, since his main quote had him mentioned as a female, but suddenly an idea hit me.

When writing a paper in APA or MLA format, you can change quotes slightly to suit your paper (either changing the tense of the quote, correcting spelling, or removing unimportant text), as long as you put the change in brackets.

Basically, what you do is this:

Original quote: "Take care of her, she's so little."

New quote: "Take care of [him], [he's] so little." (I only put the words in separate brackets because of the punctuation between them. Otherwise, you don't need to.)

When you want to take something out, you put an elipses in brackets where the old text was.

Original quote: "I am Lionheart. I was a ThunderClan warrior. In a fierce battle, I died defending my Clan. Now I belong to StarClan, a Clan of the spirits of our warrior ancestors. Yes, you are dreaming. We often walk in the dreams of those we watch. Don't be afraid. I know it looks like a land of mist and shadow, but I promise there is enough light to warm the darkest of hearts. From here, we watch over the Clans we have left behind."

Shortened quote: "I am Lionheart. [...] Now I belong to StarClan, a Clan of the spirits of our warrior ancestors. Yes, you are dreaming. We often walk in the dreams of those we watch. Don't be afraid. I know it looks like a land of mist and shadow, but I promise there is enough light to warm the darkest of hearts. From here, we watch over the Clans we have left behind."

I think this could be helpful to know once in a while. You can correct quotes that have errors in them, like I did with Tumblekit's page, or you could shorten lengthy quotes to keep in the important bits.

And yeah, I asked Kit, she's fine with this.

I hope some of you find this helpful. 02:12, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

I did this on Jessamy and Flower's pages too o3o 04:23, June 3, 2012 (UTC)