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Mole (Cat) (Star) ~ For Approval
Phew..Wanty, you are one amazing artist to be able to do this. c: Well, I tried my best. c: Comment away! 21:40, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

I think the earpink needs to fill a little more of the ear?

The texture seems to fade when it reaches the shading, and I don't see the light source. Blur the shading and define the pale parts on the rogue. 22:18, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My texture looks more amazing then I thought it would. o.o I surprise myself..xD 02:46, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the chest texture flow more with the body? 03:43, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

And perhaps smudge it and add different layers of varying intensity? As it is, it doesn't appear to match the rouge slightly. You're on the right path though, and it's getting there. Could you also have the shading flow a little better with the shape of the cat? On the haunch, for example, it appears to be a straight line, when I believe it should curve a little more...

I think I see some waste on the far side on the far ear, and there seem to a few lighter areas at the top part of the tail near the tip. Awesome job, though. 14:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, the body texture seems closer to the real thing than when I did it. Anyway, the highlights seem to be uneven so can you fix that (make them more even)? Thanks for the compliment.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 23:13, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hope that fixed what everyone was asking...Thanks Cloudy, Bluestar, and Wanty. c: You're welcome, Wanty. You're an amazing artist. 14:01, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think there is some lineart missing on the tail, the area on the body where the tail overlaps the body, the underide of the legs, and by the far eye. Could just be me though. 14:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

I just checked the lineart and I saw nothing missing..but keep up the good work, Frosty! 14:59, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

The lighter chest and muzzle do not seem to be there, and make the shading blend into the pelt more, and you can do that by blurring it tons. I know shading darkness is artist's choice, but can you lighten the shading, which will help it blend?(Not too light, though)  Also, make the earpink fill the whole ear. 20:46, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you make the shading curve a bit up a more on the end of his haunch/back? 23:07, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Rave. c: 12:32, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading overall.

Define the light on the forepaws. 17:48, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

It may just be my iPad again but the shading shows up completely black. May I also ask to shade a little of the chest? It's a bit flat. 02:12 Mon Oct 14

I think it's your iPad, because it doesn't look that dark to me. o.O

Re-uploaded. I understand the different views..My computer is at a high stand, so I kinda get the effect of you looking up at it and it's that weird blue-white thing. xD So I have to stretch myself up a bit before I examine my own image, or someone elses. But yeah, it doesn't appear that dark to me. And instead, if I did lighten it, then it wouldn't match the rogue. *shrugs* 12:33, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Blurred lineart on the tail. wow, this is so much better than my attempt I did on my computer e.e 00:55 Tue Oct 15

Re-uploaded. Thank you. :3 13:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

It looks like there's no shading on the chest whatsoever. Should that be like that? I highly doubt that, given your light source. It's the same one I use on my StarClan blanks, I believe. Which those have light sources lol

Re-uploaded. I'm liking the new name, Snowman! c: lol those are where I took my inspiration for my shading, thank goodness it's a correct one! xD 13:09, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm the chest is shaded on the wrong side it caves in 05:45 Fri Oct 18

He needs the rumpled fur, I believe, since he wasn't mentioned without it in StarClan.

Re-uploaded. Hope this was what you were looking for.. 20:29, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can you make the rumples match more? 21:16, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this was what Hawkeh meant but could you make the rumples look more like the fur? Right now they look like a bunch of lines.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 02:28, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

I believe that she means make then match the rogue's. 13:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Sorrel. That's what I meant. Thank you for explaining. 15:04, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe make the rumples... go with the fur, as well? Like, flip the ones of the side round to go with the flow of the fur. 21:03, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why would she have to match the rumples with the rogue's? I believe that should be artist's choice. 12:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. It's whatever..Anyway, I redid him to match the rogue more. I darkened him to match, made the texture to match, and even followed the rumple style, and made it flow with the fur. Sorry it's been a few days, I've been busy. Hope it looks good. c: 12:39, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

The texture is a little too defined. Decrease the opacity? 00:33, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

the face and tail texture need to go with the flow of the respective areas 02:22 Wed Oct 23

Define overall shading and extend the earpink, make sure you smudge it and not blur it. It should look a little fuzzy due to him being a longhaired cat. Also would you like the file for him? 07:31 Wed Oct 23

Yes, please! That would help out a bunch. My email is darkfrosty.frosty@gmail.com if you want to send it through there. c: 20:28, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Thanks for the file, Raven. c: And I'll get to fuzzying up that earpink as soon as I can. For now, I lowered the opacity on the texture. And Kel, the texture is already flowing with the fur, so there is nothing really to change. And if you wanted it to all flow straight down, then that would totally squash the idea of his fur being rumpled, and I might as well take them off. So yeah, that's my opinion of that matter. 16:58, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oakheart (Alt W 2) ~ For Approval
Twas' called 'fox-coloured'. Comments? 16:41, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

The texture appears to get lost in the shading. At least I believe that's a texture?

Define/add depth to the shading? Also, define the eye depth. Looking good o3o 18:12, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I like this. c: The ear looks a little flat, and, as far as I can see, I don't see any shading on the front paw farthest from us. I may be slightly copying Beebs' comment, but not exactly. Keep up the good work, Sorrel! 20:07, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

I really hate to say this, Sorrel, but wouldn't this be kind of like my "flame-colored" version of Red? Fox-colored is only a few shades away from reddish-brown/russet? 20:46, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hawk, you're the one that mentioned fox-coloured in the first place. There's around seven agreeing people on the talk. 21:13, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, oops! Sorry about that, I guess it was just a misunderstanding... >.< 21:42, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define the ear-pink? 13:35 Wed Oct 16

Reups! I'm much more proud of this, thanks to a tip Hawk gave me. I used lighter lines as well as darker this time for texture c: changes may not be showing yet. 14:17, October 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * O!!!!!!!! THATS BEAUTIFUL SORREL!!! Sorry to be a buzz-kill, but, I can't see any shading (sorry). ITS STILL BEAUTIFULLL!! 14:24 Wed Oct 16

WHOA CREAM. THANK YOU! But I can see it perfectly fine... but does anyone else think that I should define/darken the shading? 14:44, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Really? The debate on the talk page is still going. Sorry, but until we come to a decision this should really be declined. 16:19 Wed Oct 16 2013

But there are many agreeing opinions on the topic, so I'm sure this is just fine. I can't believe I brought this up yet I totally forgot about it... XD This looks great, Sorrel! Maybe smudge the earpink into the fur to give it more of a furry look and to go with the texture. 20:50, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! yes, I think so, Hawk. And thank you! 22:08, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Okay there hasn't been a comment for barely two days and this is still being discussed. Seriously people, waiting awhile to make a charart is not going to kill you, I'm glad to see that you're eager but we need to wait a bit longer because people can think it over and change their minds. Not making a charart won't kill you, I promise. ;) 22:20, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Technically, there isn't any consensus required to post an image. If she wants to keep it up, she's allowed to, and there really isn't much else that can be done. If an opinion about it is asked, and Sorrel wants to post it, she's allowed to do that, since the general opinion is that it's allowed. But, that could always change, and remember though, if it's decided that he doesn't get it, this will be declined.

Just popping in real quick. I believe there was a general agreement to not accept chararts for color comparisons, like fox-colored or dirt-colored or anything of the sort, since there's much too much variation in what those descriptions could mean. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

But there was seven agreements and only two disagreements on this, so it's fine, I'd say. 23:50, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

And also, there are many other chararts out there that have color comparisons, Paleh, so he'd still get this if they all have those. 01:41, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Psst. Comments? 20:46, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Is there a way that the ear pink could be made... Hmm... Okay lemme say this; Right now, and I mean no offense at all since I'm bad with words, it appears to be just filling in the ear area. Maybe you could play around with that to give it some variation?

Reups! how's this? 21:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

The other characters had those alts because they were made before that discussion to my knowledge. And depending on exactly what happened with the discussion about whether color comparison alts should be banned completely, it may not matter what the opinions were on this specific case. I don't know what happened with that discussion exactly, but if it became an actual rule in any way, I'm pretty sure the agreements for this alt wouldn't really matter, unless they were agreements to get rid of the rule. (again, if it was officially made a rule)

Define the shading on the tail apart from the actual pelt color. 00:23 Mon Oct 21

Reups well what if, say, you had a cream cat who was called 'cloud-coloured'? You can't get cream coloured clouds, to my knowledge. And anyway, there was more votes of yes to this alt then no, nay was only two disagreements. 07:55, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Typically clouds are a milky-white or a creamy hue instead of stark bleach white. Anyways, cream isn't two shades from white- there's just a slight yellow hue added to it and barely any difference. just wanted to point that out. Anyways, you need to curve your texture to fit the shape of the body a bit more. Look at how the haunch and shoulders would curl more, how the tail would flow, and take the shape of the head and whatnot into consideration while doing this. 02:38, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

But you see, that discussion wasn't about how you can't tell that they're different from the real description, it was that you can't tell the shade well enough for an image. It'd be kind of like an impartial description in a way. It could clearly be pointed out as a mistake, but it doesn't give the info needed for a charart.

I disagree. There was a discussion on the talk page on this, and it was agreed that it is warranted. Besides... doesn't Foxleap have an alt for being fox-coloured or something? Now can we please focus on changes needed to be made to this charart itself? :/ 06:50, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Well, as I've said before, I believe the discussion of whether or not he gets the image also falls on the critiquing process. Perhaps add a bit of light to the tail? I mean, the shading's perfectly fine, but it appears to be a teeny bit thick? If you'd rather it that way, s'all good with me.

Curve the texture to match the haunch more- it doesn't look like you changed much, when more of that area should be shaped as if it's a rounded figure. 04:03, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reups I didn't change anything before... 14:33, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reups Kay I just redid it with gimp. 15:04, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

-prods- 14:56, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the texture on the back legs a little? This is epic! 15:03 Fri Oct 25

Reups! Thank you! 15:56, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Define the earpink.

It also seems to cut off abruptly in the ear? Not sure if that's just how it's smudged or blurred..

Blizzardwing (A) ~ For Approval
Raven. You are amazing to make this look so good. Mine is a blob compared to yours. Anyway, I really need the hex codey for the ears, and Loonie, mind giving that to me? If changes aren't showing, go there >. Comment away, my friends. 18:25 Wed Oct 16

Smooth out the shading. 18:27, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reups. <span style="">18:32 Wed Oct 16

Blur the shading and make it bluer and he should be less yellow. For any colours you may need, refer to my previous comment on the declined image. Your mottles need to be less like dots, and in two different shades of grey and cream. Try downloading a brush pack--I used the Confetti brush that comes with GIMP as well as another brush that I had downloaded. As for the earpink, refer to my comment on the declined image again. 20:52, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Aww, thanks Amber. c: Yours doesn't look half bad, though! As for the earpink, I recommend the hex code #b87576. Since I was told from Loonie to take it from Donut. :3 I'll also give you every hex code I was given from Loonie to make the image look identical to the warrior, along with the correct order of layers:

Layer 1: Solid white.

Layer 2: Very, very pale gray texturing.

Layer 3: Pale yellow mottles: #ebecbf [75% Opacity]

Layer 4: Pale gray mottles: #c6c7c7 [100% Opacity]

Layer 5: Shading: #1a3952

Layer 6: Highlights: #feffa0 and white on the nose, chest, and top of the tail.

Hope those instructions helped. That's how I noted Loonie's instructions, and they helped out tons. As for my critique, I recommend smudging the gray mottles very slightly. Currently, they look like gray blots. And also, I see no visible yellow mottles. Keep up the good work, Amber! If you need more detailed help, be free to leave a message on my talk. c: 01:19, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Thats okay! And thanks, both comments really helped. If changes are not showing. <span style="">08:54 Thu Oct 17

The gray mottles need to be bigger, same with the yellow ones. I once did this, so I have a bit of an idea...I believe the shading has to match more, andas for the mottles, try doing each one on a size 30..on a confetti or airbrush, or whatever works for you. Keep up the good work! 13:04, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, hey. You see, I made this tutorial for Raven a while back, based on a copy of blizz I made from blivvy's instructions. I can send you it via e-mail if you supply me with one via talk page. I also have video footage as well so I can send you that too. Just leave me an email and ill get right to it! ^-^ <span style="">05:42 Fri Oct 18

Reups! Thanks Frosty! And Kelps, I'd prefer to give it to you by chat, for privacy and that rubbish. <span style="">15:55 Fri Oct 18

He still looks too yellow. 19:22, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Also, don't forget that he needs to have a fur texture, or it'll never match. 19:23, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Raven, his fur can't have the dots. Smudge them? Make them less yellow?? This is a great charart, Amber!! <span style="">02:01 Sun Oct 20

Reups! Thanks Cream! I erased some yellow and put in the fur texture. <span style="">15:47 Sun Oct 20

Smudge the mottles? 21:01, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

There's a bit of waste there on the back. Looks great! <span style="">00:21 Mon Oct 21

Reups! Thanks! I did what was said with help from Kelps ^=^ <span style="">17:21 Mon Oct 21

>:O -faints- this is so friggin good!!!!! Maybe blur the ear-pink (it's seems solid)? <span style="">12:02 Tue Oct 22

It looks amazing. :o! Also, while we're on earpink, please make this ---> earpink fill the whole ear, while it only fills half. <--- This one fills the whole, so the other should, naturally, match. Keep up the good work, Amber! c: 01:46, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

holy snaps if you flip tab to tab from the last version to current you'll flip out. this is so darn amazing *highfive's amber* fix up the mottless on teh >>> side of the face? i think you might of forgotten those X3 <span style="">02:20 Wed Oct 23

Reups!  omg thanks everyone                6th upload (I honestly didn't think I'd make it this far). And Kelps, I honestly think it's fine but if anyone else agrees I'll do it. <span style="">15:19 Wed Oct 23

I actually disagree. I think they look fine. ~Silver (Who has messed up my siggie?)

The shading looks flat on the flank and shoulder 05:17, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

The light source makes no sense and is not consistent at all. Please give it a proper light source. If you can't manage one yourself, the one int he apprentice tut is fine.

Reups! I redid the shading, to da. <span style="">15:57 Fri Oct 25

The light source still doesn't make sense, especially on the legs. The shading also needs to be defined, as it's overblurred right now, and the whole image looks gray right now. Not sure if that's the texture, mottles, or the shading, but regardless it'll need to be fixed.

Queen Blanks - For Approval
As requested, I kept the same posture and basic pose, but I did switch which legs were up and which were down, simply because it's about 10x easier and faster to do them at this angle, and I'm sure you guys are getting a bit impatient waiting for these to be approved by now. Comments?

Yay for Paleh! Maybe scrunch the forehead down a bit; it seems a bit high to me. 00:37, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Define the toes on the hind leg off the ground. Maybe give the face a more feminine look? This is amazing! Those are pretty much the only things that need tweaking, in my personal opinion. 00:39, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's a cat? Cats don't specifically look feminine or not. This looks like a cat, so it's alright. o.O The only adjustments to the face that I can see is to do what Scar said. 00:40, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I'm not defining the toes. They simply wouldn't be very defined at this angle, and if I define them it will look very silly I assure you. And as leggy said, she shouldn't look any more feminine than another cat. The eyelashes are there, and that's all we use to define them as females on here. No reason to do any different.

Should the whiskers be that long? If that's intentional, then you don't have to change it. These are neat and I can't wait to use them. *.* Can I just approve them now lol

Just a personal preference, so feel free to ignore; i know cats naturally have whiskers above their eyes but the queen is the only one that represents that, it might look a little odd with the rest, so maybe remove? Again, just a thought. 05:16, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes the whiskers are meant to be that long. I actually shortened them in my last upload, so I don't know if the changes are showing for you, but the length they're at right now I'd like to keep. I'd be happy to change them if someone else agrees though. And same goes for the whiskers above the eyes, I'd rather keep them, but if someone else agrees I'll get rid of them.

Maybe make the face thinner? Lovely!

I think the whiskers look fine, tbh, and the face is full-on - it's not gonna look very thin. <span style="">16:58 Thu Oct 24 2013

Yeah, I'd prefer not to thin out the face, sorry.

The chin looks to be a little on the big side to me, but only a little bit. And just a personal preference, but I think with the way that the body is facing that it would look a little more natural to have the face pointing in the direction that she is going instead of directly at us, I mean it's not wrong, but it's just my thought is all. 01:01, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think the way the face is pointed is fine. 01:04, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded For the most part at least, the face is pointing in the general direction of where she's walking. I think it's fine honestly. But I did shrink the jaw by a few pixels.

Looks great Pale! However, the right corner of her mouth appears to be thicker than the left. If it's the case where it needs to be like that so the shrank jaw can look right, then sorry for nitpicky n_n"

I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean. Try wording it differently?

I think she's talking about the /lineart/ on the right corner of her jaw/mouth area... compared to the left side, it appears to be a couple pixels thicker?

I think that's simply because there are multiple different lines meeting there. The cheek, the lip, the whisker, and the shoulder. I may not be look at the same place though. I'm not sure

Make the nose a more triangular shape? 14:57, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded

Imo, the whiskers look a bit too long. Maybe just erase like a inch off each one? Since the whiskers on the other blanks aren't that long. She looked amazing! 16:10, October 25, 2013 (UTC)

A cats' whiskers are typically long enough so that wen a cat tries to get through a space, if the whiskers fit without being bent or moved, then the hips, shoulders,and bellies of the cat can fit as well. I believe the whiskers are perfectly okay.

And also to keep in mind this cat is pregnant, so I agree with Leggy. color:steelblue 16:14, October 25, 2013 (UTC)