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Current ShadowClan cats rank
so for those who've read TAS, you'll know Darktail and co are now in charge of ShadowClan, rather like SkyClan. the only difference here is the ShadowClan cats are with them, and from what I can tell they're still considered ShadowClan in name, but all the other Clans seem to consider their rank as rogues? or at least ivypool did. so do you think it'd be right to give all current adult/apprentice ShadowClan cats rogue rank or no? just feel this needs to be discussed. 18:14, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should wait with this. It's implied at the end that some of the ShadowClan cats that parted with Rowanstar will come back to him when they came to their senses. Also, they are still ShadowClan, they didn't leave the Clan, they just let some rogues take the lead. I know it's a bad example, but when Sol took over ShadowClan he was also their leader and Blackstar even gave his name away, so technically they were all rogues at this time too. In my opinion, we should still separate Darktails cats as rogues and the ShadowClan cats as clan cats until we see how the whole thing develops. SuSusann (talk) 18:22, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

implied? if it's rowanstar saying they'll return it's not necessarily true, and no they didn't leave the clan. the point is it is still technically shadowclan, but it's shadowclan gone rogue (which is pretty similar to sol but that's for another discussion, I would think) and there is this:

"She could hear two ShadowClan cats approaching."

these cats are confirmed to be needletail and rain, so they're still thought of as shadowclan here. 18:37, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

I know its not necessarily true, but we can't be sure untill we read it in the next book. Ah I didn't pay attention to that sentence, sorry! Then I would say they all stay ShadowClan, the Clan cats and the rouges that joined now. SuSusann (talk) 18:42, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Huh, never though about it this way. I always felt like they were a part of ShadowClan considering their affiliation, but that some were still warriors. ShadowClan has been under a few different similar-ish circumstances, too. I think that we should give them all rogue status, as they don't have a named deputy, and Darktail isn't really a leader as ordained by StarClan, and didn't show interest in following the warrior code. It does seem a bit extreme, but we could potentially change it back if something happens to contradict this in Shattered Sky later. Anyway, some cats like Spikefur are pretty much rogue at heart

I'm just getting stuff as I go along, in chapter 24 there's also this:

Twigpaw had been quiet since the ShadowClan rogues had cut ties with the other Clans.

make of it what you will. 21:11, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

If they're called rogues, then I think we should use that. Cats have been called rogues before and gotten images. They're not considered real ShadowClan cats by cats like Rowanstar or Tawnypelt, and giving them rogue statues would comply with canon and the information that's said in the story.

so rogue rank (and images) for the charcat, but still listed under shadowclan since they appear to still be using shadowclan as a name for now? or rogue and rogue? 20:26, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

For affiliation, would these cats get one of under "Darktail's Group", as well? I know some of the cats in "Slash's Group" had that in their affiliations, and this seems like a bit of a similar case.

I think the ones that originally left (needle, sleek, juniper, clover, berry, and bee, maybe a couple others I can't remember) in the first place should get it? 18:55, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

also for clarification is everyone here agreeing to:

1. shadowclan affiliation but with a rogue/darktail group rank and image

2. or rogue/darktail group affiliation and rogue rank and image? 20:55, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

I would like number 1. 21:00, September 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yep I'm for 1

Yes, I'm for option 1, too. However, I think the cats who left ShadowClan at first (Beenose, Needletail, Cloverfoot, etc.), not cats like Pinenose or Dawnpelt, should get rogue/Darktail's group in their past affiliations. 00:48, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

nudge nudge 01:21, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we have enough information to do anything but if I have to choose, I'd say 1. They are still ShadowClan, but they don't follow the code or do much Clan traditions (from what I can tell), so they are ShadowClan rogues.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:27, October 5, 2016 (UTC)

I'm also up for number 1. Song  heart  20:58, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

I vote option 1; also, I'd like to join the project. Dovestorm (talk) 12:34, October 18, 2016 (UTC)​DoveStorm

thistleheart
jw if this is enough to confirm her and thistlepaw as the same? (just about the 'until proven wrong' part) and cz pages n such would need to be moved or whatever. (ctrl f thistle to find it easy) 00:13, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think it works. 00:21, 10/02/2016

I'd agree that it counts^^

Yup, I think it's enough. Go for it! 00:38, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Basically she is saying yes unless she gets proof that says otherwise or something like that (which might never happen) so unless we get something that contradicts it, it's a yes. I'll merge the pages right now.Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:02, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

So what's the point in asking if a couple people comment and then someone decides to merge the pages? =\ How about you wait until others have commented? Personally, I think the "until proven wrong" thing is something to consider, since we all know how they often contradict one another.

Okay, sorry! I just thought it was a pretty obvious cite???? We basically do the same thing as she just said "confirmation until proven otherwise". No idea why she pointed it out though. Maybe she's expecting another author to contradict it?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  01:23, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's very possible that might be the case, sand given that she did say until proven wrong, there might be more to it. Two or three or four people is not a proper discussion. That's unfair to people who might not agree; I don't, and I think we should hold off on merging them, due to Kate's comment.

I think we should take it in, since Vicky also sid she thinks they are the same cat, it's pretty unlikely that she suddenly change her mind. And IF it happens that Vicky suddenly sais "No, different cats", we could always change it back. 09:50, October 2, 2016 (UTC)

I think it should count. As said by LittleMew above, Vicky also said that she thinks they are the same cat, so it's not like it's only using one author's word either. 17:27 Sun Oct 2

Anymore comments?Stealth f🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:28, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

I think we should wait until we get confirmation that the two Thistles are the same cat. They may have the same name, but we don't have any proof they are the same character. Song  heart  21:07, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Anymore comments?Stealth f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:57, October 18, 2016 (UTC)

November FA
Suggestions? We can always do something from the list. I like Poppydawn, although Hawkwing's Journey is coming out on the 1st next month so we could do a SkyClan theme.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  21:06, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Poppydawn sounds good.

A SkyClan theme would be nice, seeing as they're not put up often. Jaysnow (talk) 21:41, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

If people are up for a SkyClan theme, what about Darkstar or Billystorm?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤

The idea of Billystorm would make sense, because this is a modern SkyClan book. Jaysnow (talk) 05:09, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Duckkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

I'm sorry but you can only have three nominations up at a time. Would you like me to take over a couple for you?<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:16, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, take the bottom two. And yeah, as of late there's been cases of 5+ up, so I didn't know if that still applied as I'd been told otherwise. Go for it

Dragonflykit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Oatkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Carpkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Taking over.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:20, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Waterkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments?

Taking over.<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth <font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re <font color="#0067A5" face="Teen">❤Warriors Forever!❤  20:20, October 26, 2016 (UTC)

Cricketkit ~ Silver Nomination
Comments? I didn't add that one quote that mentioned Featherkit, though, since it's not relevant to Cricketkit as a character.

Sunny - Silver Nomination
'sup? She doesn't speak, so I don't think quotes are appropriate.. especially since they're about Cinders, not the kits themselves.