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StarClan Kit Blanks - For Approval
As far as I could tell I'm doing these. Go ahead and decline if I am mistaken. Comments?

No, you were supposed to be the one who made them, Breezey. They're your blanks, and it would be a lot easier for you to do it, since you have the files. Are they just shrunken versions of the blanks, then?

asdf yey~ Thicken the lineart by maybe one pixel if possible and if not don't worry about it, smooth it all out (it's kind chunky and overly pixely in some places) and maybe change the proportions a bit to seem more kit-like rather than just changing the size. Shrink the tail a bit, shoulders and paws and maaaaaybe ears (unsure on that one). Nice job! 04:16, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, there are some adjustments. Storter bodies, legs, wider chests, and larger heads. I tried to make them look like older kittens. I'll reupload later when I have more time. 04:22, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Observe. And this is a cat at six months. Bigger eyes and ears in proportion to the face. Stubby legs. Not so muscly. Pathetic-looking tail. 04:44, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, if you want it to be this small, then they aren't older kittens in comparison to the regular blank. They're tiny, pretty much newborn, so the first image would be more appropriate. 04:46, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

They don't look resized correctly, like, you know how if you resize something in Paint, it gets all pixel-y? It sorta looks like that. Iaza can most likely resize it well if you try. did totally not stare at Shelly's kitten images for five minutes ouo  E c h o   EchoXFox  23:28, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

neither did i i swear Make them less pixel-y. -Feather 13:49, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Feather, don't repeat what's already said. Paleh's already said that. ._.

Whoops, didn't see that. Sorry x3 -Feather 18:37, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Due to my schedule changing, I can't work on these within the next week. Shelly has agreed to take over for me. 21:40, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the side of the tail <-- this way there are like two or three pixels that stick out from the rest of the lineart. Do we really need that? Or can it be removed because I don't really think it does anything. 17:46, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's a gap in > side of the eyes.  C  r  y  s     I liek Giratinas   20:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, do I need to keep this pose? I mean, the living kit blanks don't match the warrior blanks. Of course, I would not change the pose without Breezey's permission. I can work with this pose, but I'd rather move it around to make it more obvious that this is a different blank. 00:32, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you should keep the pose. That's the one we voted on, so you should really keep it....

You voted on the pose for the adult blanks. No one has voted on a pose for the kits. 00:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Technically we didn't /vote/ vote, but we all agreed, yes. We agreed on shrinking the blank, not making a totally new one. I would strongly disagree with making a new blank altogether. So yup, same pose please. edit conflict ffff 00:43, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bah, fine. If that's what you guys want. 00:48, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

* pops in* I really don't think you need to make them exactly the same. As long as it's a cat lying down at this sort of angle, if the blanks need to be moved around to accommodate the anatomy of a kitten then I'd say go for it. 04:52, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, they probably should be a bit distinguished. Otherwise, they might be confused for thumbs of the StarClan blanks. 04:53, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! And yeah, I think that the pose is a bit too flexible for a kitten. How about this: Facing the opposite direction (head on the left instead of the right) and the back legs facing us. Not that different, but different enough to distinguish it from the full-grown blank. 05:10, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, we agreed before (at least mostly) to simply shrink it. Unless a whole new discussion is brought up and there's majority agreement on there, I think it should stick with what we decided. 05:58, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless a vote was held, I am not constrained to one. It's Breeze's blank and if she gives me permission to alter them slightly, which she has, then I shall be doing so. 14:16, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Alright. Flipped and made to look more like a kitten in general. Shorter tail, stubbier legs, bigger features in proportion to the size of the head, larger ears in proportion to the head. (hates lineart) I know the lines are a bit choppy for now, but I'll be cleaning that up later. 22:37, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

So any discussion that comes to an agreement that isn't a vote can just be ignored if one person says do it anyways? I mean, if you're just flipping them, I don't much care, but that logic makes no sense. Anyways, the legs are almost too stubby, even for a kit, and the one on its right is oddly positioned. 03:18, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe thin out the shoulder, it makes the kit look //really// buff lol 03:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Why are there black specks on <--- this side of the image? O.o 17:18, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Even out the lineart so that it's relatively the same thickness throughout the image, especially on the ears, tail, and the paws. 17:23, February 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, shall be reuploading tonight after classes. 17:21, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

This is really cute! Referencing to this I think the muzzle needs to be a litttlllleeeee smaller... 00:23, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Before you complain about the tail being moved, please note that I only did it because the former position of the tail was impossible without the spine being broken. I know that this is a dead kit we're looking at, but I'm pretty sure most of them didn't die of spinal injuries. 01:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

The tail was originally taken from a photograph. It was totally possible. Please change it back, there was nothing wrong with it. 02:00, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Show me the photo then. 02:01, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

This was the photo. As you can probably tell from the position of the tail markings, the cat is not, in fact, lying on it's side. Not completely. Its legs are tucked under and it is on its side a little bit, but mostly it's on its belly. That would mean that the position of the tail in the StarClan blanks is actually sweeping mostly to the side, which is completely possible and done to save space. 07:20, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Except the tail in that photo is nothing like the tail in the blanks. The tail in the blanks is sweeping backwards and to the side, indicated by the fact that it overlaps the back of the cat. That position is impossible with the rest of the cat's spine angled as it is. Trust me, I've tried it with my cat, and her tail was both not that long and not able to form that kind of arc with the rest of her spine as it was. The tail, especially when a cat is relaxed and not trying to look threatening, follows the curve of the spine, and the position of the tail used before was impossible unless it was broken at the base and somehow still functioning. Not every blank needs to showcase the tail prominently, don't make such a big deal out of me using proper anatomy. 14:47, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Unless you guys want me to move it so the cat's legs are facing up and not away, I cannot possible realistically move the tail back. 14:49, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Or I could compromise and have the tail match the position in the photo. That way the image still shows the tail and it's anatomically correct. But there's no point in going against what's possible for the purpose of saving space when these blanks are the second smallest ones we've got now. Even the adult ones, had the tail been laid out, would only be probably about as big as the loner or rogue blanks. 01:46, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

The tail position was perfectly fine with the normal size blanks if referenced off that image. Regardless of whether the tail was that way in the image, you can clearly see how the back's facing, and with it being how it is in the photo, there was nothing at all wrong with the tail. We agreed on a shrunken version of the SC blanks. If you want to do something other than that, which is what you're doing now, go bring it up. Vote or not, an agreement's an agreement and you can't just go against it without any kind of discussion because you want to. Please change it back or bring up a discussion about doing something other than simply a shrunken SC blank.

You had five members even comment after you brought up shrinking the old blanks and only two even mention resizing the old blanks. You call that consensus? The only thing that was agreed upon, and I hardly call that agreement consensus since only a small portion of the project took part in the discussion, was the fact that these would be made. They were handed off to me and I will be using correct anatomy. According to Breezey, this blank has the back facing us in the rump area, a position the photo provided does not have and the tail doesn't match the photo at all. So I'm either leaving this tail as is or I'm matching the photo, but I'm not going against proper anatomy based on the "agreement" of two or three members of the project. 02:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

That was the conclusion we came to on the discussion though. >.> If it wasn't enough agreement to go on, these blanks wouldn't be up at all right now. As I said, if you want to not do a shrunken version, go bring it up. Until then, please stick with what the conclusion was on the discussion. And actually, according to whiskey, the blanks are in the position of that photo, and the spine was facing up. Having the tail to the side is perfectly normal. Are you saying cats can't sweep their tails to the side at all? It not improper anatomy to have the tails like that, they were fine.

I know full well what Breeze told me, the spine is facing us. And no, the anatomy is incorrect, and no, I see no project consensus over how the blanks should be done, only that they should be done. I'm not breaking the tail, Paleclaw, and that's that. You wanna prove me wrong on the anatomy, by all means provide me proof that a tail can bend like that in this position. 02:34, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me but go read whiskey's last post. She clearly said that the back's not facing us. It was perfectly natural and you wouldn't be breaking the tail. And the discussion ended after the conclusion was asked for, given by everyone who was still actually paying attention to the discussion. If you think the discussion didn't come to an agreement, these shouldn't be up at all. If that's the case these should be declined until further agreement is actually made, in your opinion, to do the kit blanks at all. If not, go with what the conclusion was. 02:39, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

I am going with the conclusion. The conclusion was to make the blanks. No conclusion was made concerning what they should look like. And Breezey has told me that the spine is facing us. If it wasn't the blank would be flat on the bottom, not curved like a haunch is, and we'd see part of a foot at least unless the blank was meant to be obese. I know what I was told, and I know what the conclusion of that discussion was. If you have a problem with what I'm doing, you start a discussion, but I'm going to continue doing my best to make the best blanks I can for this project with correct anatomy. 02:45, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Now can you please just let me be? I'm just a weary old member trying to do one last thing for this project and trying to do it as right as I can. This discussion is going nowhere fast, and you're the only one complaining so far. I'm not hurting anyone or breaking any rules. I'm just trying to do what I was asked to do and get these done. Now unless you have another critique, please just drop it. 02:49, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody can read can see what whiskey said in her last post. The spine's not facing us. And if you think the anatomy on them is so bad, why don't we just throw out the SC blanks at start from scratch with your anatomy then, hm? =.= They were references straight off a photo and the cat wasn't obese. Give me one good reason, with that all in mind, not to stick with the shrunken SC blanks other than just cause you think you can do better.

I have no reason to start yet another discussion on something already discussed and concluded to prove to you that the conclusion was to shrink the SC blanks. Go look at the discussion, that was what was decided at the end. I'm telling you to go with the conclusion, which you're not, and you're saying to go against. How exactly do you think I'm the one who needs to start a discussion then?

I'm going to be blunt here, you're being really disrespectful to Whiskey and how she made the blanks, and also very arrogant in thinking you can change whatever you like cause you think you can do better. The blanks were fine as they they were and if they weren't they wouldn't have been approved.

And no, I'm sorry, I will not let you be when you're being disrespectful to other members and refusing to go with what was decided on. Whiskey gave these to you thinking you would do a good job on them since she didn't have the chance to do this. Yet now you're ragging on her blanks. That's a lovely way to thank her, no?

I don't ever remember agreeing to allow you to redo the blanks. I agreed to shrink them and keep the same pose. Nor did anyone else, save for Breezey, I /think/. If you're going to redo the blanks, then I think a vote should be made, since you're basically doing whatever you want with them and forcing us to go along with it. You can't just say that you disagree with Paleh and be done with it, you know. Just because you're the "artist" of the blanks does not entitle you to disregard everything Paleh's told you. I'm not stepping in as an artist, but as /the deputy of the project/. I don't care how they're done, so as long as they're done fairly. Right now, this doesn't seem very fair, as you're basically telling Paleh to go away when she's offering critique, which last I checked, is the basis of the project, and what you asked for. That's not very...proper, I think, when many others have gotten told off, or worse, for doing the same thing you're doing now.

Stop the petty bickering, come to an agreement, or else I can and will assert my powers as deputy, and I'm sure Scarlet would be glad to help me. I'm getting quite tired of this, and seeing no progress being made. They're /blanks/, for Skorm's sake. I don't care what issues you have with each other; put them aside for the good of the project.

Mmkay, first off:

If everything that got approved was fine, we wouldn't have a tweak page.

How am I being disrespectful when I'm just trying to fix some anatomy? I never said she did a bad job, I said that the pose wasn't possible with the tail as it was.

Breeze said that the cat in the photo had it's spine facing up, not the cat in the blank. She told me personally shortly after her blanks were approved that the spine was facing us. I promise you, I'm not lying.

I still see absolutely no consensus in that discussion as to what the blanks should look like, only that they should be made.

I am not acting arrogant thinking I can do whatever I want. I moved the dang tail. If I could do whatever I want I'd have changed the entire thing because I don't think that the blank needs to look anything like the adult blanks, but I respected Breeze's work and kept the pose. I just corrected it for anatomy and now you guys are going off on me continually just because of that. So excuse me for getting annoyed, especially when lately I haven't been given any say in how I've been able to do anything. Why should I start a discussion when you're the ones that ended it without finalizing this part of it or any semblance of a vote? Yes, concensus was reached to make the blanks, but none was reached in how they should look, so why shouldn't I move the tail? I may not have every say in what I can do, but I am allowed to make one danged decision based on proper anatomy. If you guys want to see the tail so bad, I can match the photo, but I'm not moving it back. 03:12, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

We didn't have a vote, I believe, because Breezey was supposed to shrink her blanks, and we were going to work with that. Now that she passed them onto you, it's an entirely new game.

If there's no consensus, then these blanks should not be up for approval until said consensus has been reached. Based on that alone, these should be declined until such agreement has been reached.

I won't comment on the anatomy part because I know nothing about it.

Last time I checked, artists are allowed to pass off their work to whomever they choose, and Breeze chose me. Why should I be subject to a vote when she was not? Why should I be on trial just for doing what I was asked to do when no consensus was reached based on what the blanks should look like? Why can't I just make this one decision on my own? There was consensus that these blanks should be made and you guys just let Breeze put them up, so I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong by finishing them on her request. 03:20, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

This is completely ridiculous. Yes, I did give Shelly the right to do the blanks, and I voiced my opinion that they should be in some way distinguished from the bigger ones. However, I do not remember saying that the cat was complete on it's side, just that Lionheart's markings were about right. I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking that the cat was on its side. However, nor do I remember saying that it was completely on it's belly and I'd appreciate it if words weren't put into my metaphorical mouth, thank you. The cat is not in a relaxed pose. It is in an attentive, ready to move pose, likely in the process of shifting it's legs underneath it to stand up to investigate whatever had roused it. So it is slightly on its side and slightly on its belly, it's tail sweeping to the side, since, as can be seen from the image I linked, it is actually laying...vertical? Unfortunately, pixels blanks have limited space and make it relatively difficult to add all the bumps and curves into the cat and still make it colorable and good-looking. So before you go off to request the tails be tweaked on the StarClan blanks, know that they are completely possible and I did do my research.

Now, this is my personal solution, and requires at least three senior warriors to agree (like a tweak), excluding those arguing on this image due to bias: The blank's tail can take up the position of the reference image - it is a kit's after all and likely not as long and flexible as an adult's - but no other changes in position can be done unless it is requested by those critiquing the image. Also, if any other arguments pop up on this image, it will be immediately declined and a new artist will be found to do the blanks. I don't see why this needs to be taken to the talk page when it can be settled right here, though it is not our traditional approach. Deal? 04:43, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm agreeing with Breezey on this one. Since I was technically involved when I spoke up there, my say doesn't count. But, I'll voice it anyways, since I'm entitled to do so. Any other arguments that need to be argued can be done outside of the approval page, I think, and perhaps within a PM in the chat or something.


 * -nods- That seems fair for all sides, and I'll accept whatever's decided on through that. I apologize for making such a fuss, I'm just quite stubborn about my opinions, not to mention the fact I'm quite fond of the SC blanks. And I must say I'm quite impressed with you ability to come up with a resolution that's fair for all sides. I promise to accept it and not get involved in anymore arguments.

Since I already told you guys I'd be willing to make that compromise, of course I'd be happy to do it. And I wasn't going to request a tweak of the blanks. 05:52, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll agree. It's a good compromise, and both sides are treated fairly. I also agree with Cloudy, any other discussion on this matter should be taken elsewhere. 06:03, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anybody else? 06:53, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, as well. 04:13, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, sounds good. 04:16, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Whelp that's three then. On a different subject, can you even out the lineart a bit more? It's thicker on the front part of the body than it is on the back. And the far front paw still seems at an odd angle.

Re-uploaded. Moved the tail. I'm going to be offline for a few days while my cable/internet provider is changed and this is all I have time to do right now. 06:41, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tail looks a bit long. And the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/

Re-uploaded. If you can't get more specific than "the <<< paw still looks at a funny angle :/", I can hardly interpret that in any productive way to fix it. 03:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I tried redlining it, if that's ok. I wasn't too sure on the tail, so ignore it if it's wrong. 03:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Fine, if you can't see it I'll go into detail. It angels inwards while being completely straight, and though angling inward is fine, as you can see the shoulder on the side, the foreleg seems to bend in a way that doesn't look very natural, and also makes it seem too short. Either make it point out straight, make it a bit longer and put a bit more curve in it, or do something else of the sort. Also make the tail a bit thinner, as it seems quite thick for a kitten, and possible move it down closer to where the body meets the floor, as it gives the impression it's floating right now because of the perspective.

You also might add some structure to the wrist joint of the far foreleg and soften the toes on both, since these are very distinct. The head doesn't connect with the neck on our left very well either, so try to mess with the curve to smooth it out. Also, at this angle you would be able to see both shoulders distinctly, even if it is a kitten, so add some lines on the chest to give the far shoulder some definition. 23:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Can one of you redline that paw? I'm having trouble getting it right. Bloo, I appreciate the redline, but it's not really what I'm going for. 23:16, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Snowstar (Star)- For Approval
merpp. need help with the texture. 01:46, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading. Yes, you can pick, but I think this is much too dark for it to really be artist's choice. Also, define the ear pink.

You may also want to consider smoothing it out some. Also, I wouldn't worry about the texture, but if you're willing to try it, you should try smudging the shading with a very small (1px) brush. I also suggest you duplicate the shading layer in case you dislike the texture. It'll take some time, but it should pay off in the end. ;) 23:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

My, this is pretty! There seems to be some empty pixels in the eye, along with a bit of brown that shouldn't be there. Last, could you also identify the depth of the eyes? This is really gorgeous in my opinion, Bramblewind! 23:52, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

^I'm pretty sure they aren't blank pixles, they're most likley reflections from the light. And I think the brown is okay, it gives it a bit of a realistic effect. But anyone can deny if they want. . 01:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

They're supposed to be stars cause he's in starclan :) by the way atelda by smooth it out do you mean, like, blur it more? 04:28, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Erfka derf, sorry about that. But maybe still define eye depth? 23:54, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Thats cause i hadnt reuploaded yet. well now i just did pwned wait what? anyway deepend eyes, blurred the shading alot, added another layer of earpink. the texture didnt turn out so hot thoughit was hot- a HOT MESS lightened the shading too, i personally think its a little too light. Anyoune agree? ;)   00:06, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Define the unshaded parts of the tail. 03:56, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

This also looks well over 50% and 80% done. I'm changing the heading and I'll move you up to an apprentice. 21:58, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uppy :) yeyyy apprenticehood 02:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Critique? Heelooo... *echo* *wind whistles by* 06:17, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Bramblewind, please be patient with us. I don't know if changes are showing, but the shading still seems a tad bit dark to me. You could always try tinting it, but that's just a suggestion, I'm not telling you that you have to. 23:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ivy it was two whole days, they had plenty enough right and reason to ask for critique, they're fine. As for the image, it still needs to be textured, and the "highlights" seem really bright, whether that just being a bright base coat with dark shading or actual highlights, it just seems really... shiny.

Reupload. Sorry for teh inactivity, dang teachers need to stop giving so much hw... and also sorry for being stupid, i cudda waited a bit longer :/. anyway yah darkend highlights, lightened shading, redid texture. 16:26, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the texture. x3 17:14, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-Up 'yo 05:34, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lovely charart. CBA? 21:12, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but the texture on the leader looks more...cloudy then the simple lines. Make it match more? Bb un   legs  21:58, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reup I think I've spent too much on this... I hope this doesn't seem like any sort of threat but if this isn't approved over this weekend I'm probably gonna withdraw and find something else. 16:07, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fox (Ro) (Ro)~ For Approval
Texture~ 01:46, 03/7/2013

The texture doesn't really look like it's going with the flow of the fur very well.. Also, define the shading. It's dark enough, though. Just needs to be unblurred a bit.

Define the unshaded part of the tail. 01:55, 07, 03, 2013

Re-uploaded Gah texture. 03:57, 03/7/2013

Define the shading. 00:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

And blur it as well. 22:33, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Merph. My computer restarted randomly and I hadn't saved the layered image with the new texture so that got redone again. 05:10, 03/9/2013

He looks pretty reddish to me. It's personal preference, but do you think you could move his brown to something more orange or red-orange? 07:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and tail a bit love.

Re-uploaded 07:38, 03/13/2013

He looks a bit blotchy. I know it's probably the texture, but could you try to smooth out his shading? 01:50, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Just re-did the shading. 01:41, 03/16/2013

Define the shading on the chest and face and maybe (you don't have to) make the earpink and nose a bit less bubblegum pink? 22:55, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 03:34, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Yup, still working. 12:29, 03/21/2013

Smooth out the shading on the chest 15:13, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I think the chest is fine honestly. Could you smudge the earpink a bit though?

There's a bit of waste near the neck and the head. :3 . 06:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The texture kinda makes it look mottled. Could you fix that? Maybe you could smudge (or so) the texture on a higher strength and a small size (if you didn't).

Silver Frost(E) - For Approval
Based off of a mary-sue looking cat, comments? I kinda like this. =D

The shading's making it look a bit grey. Fix that? very nice 05:51 Sun Mar 10

Maybe smudge the grey a bit? Lovely Duck Bloo  and  Brokenstar~ 05:55, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

The grey can stay as it is - it's fine. 05:57 Sun Mar 10

Re-uploaded Thanks Bloo =) 06:02, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading tons and make the white a little less grey lookin 06:47, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 19:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth the shading out a bit. 23:20, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

It might just be my screen or how you tinted it if you did, but the white looks creamy or pale red almost. Ca na  di  a~  Sirius is hiding... 19:43, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded It was the red-tinted shading, Pad. 8D Blue and purple tints ftw~  Changes are not showing. 22:53, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

White's a bit gray, either lighten the base white or make the shading a bit thinner so it doesn't spread over so much of the white?

Re-uploaded asdfghjk;' This shading... 02:39, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define or darken the shading just a bit? 04:15, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

And blur it a touch, too? 04:24, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 12:27, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Im not sure but I see some waste around. Or my monitor is dirty.. ._. 12:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I see it too Leafy. Also blur the front leg's shading. 22:52, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

The patches on the face are fine, but on the patches on her back, they almost look motion blurred to me. I'm not sure if that's just me or not, but the blurring on them do look different from the face  00:05, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I think the patches are fine, the only layer that I used motion blur on was one of my shading layers, which is hidden because it looked bad, so I didn't change them. 00:54, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the front leg shading, and there's waste near the chest and bottom right corner. Be e   bs  00:57, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

There's a white pixel on the tip of the tail and on the gray paw. Could you blur the patches just a bit?

Blur the shading between the two legs facing us and stomach area (searching my cat vocabulary here...) 02:13, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Also not sure but I still see some waste in front of the gray front paw.. Nice job though! 03:58, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

There is actually waste around the whole charart, I think you erased close to the body, but not a bit farther out. . 01:42, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

The best way to remove all the waste it to select outside of the lineart layer, then go on your shading layer and do the "cut" or "clear" option. This should be similar and work on all programs (though, Sai's select tool isn't my personal favorite, if'n you do it on that)  17:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 00:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading.

Re-uploaded 02:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading more-so on the gray. 14:19, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 17:12, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

The gray needs to be blurred, the shading needs to be blurred, and the entire shading needs to be defined. 19:41, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. The gray and shading are blurred enough, but I did darken the shading a bit. 23:16, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

No, I think Icy's right. Blur the gray just a little bit? The white's also looking a tad gray, but I think that's alright since shading white and gray is a pain.

Re-uploaded 02:36, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Make the shading less blurred on the white.

I honestly think that it's fine, I'll just get told to blur it again if I unblur it, but if someone else agrees, then I'll do it. 02:19, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I'm having a rough time seeing the shading in general. It needs to be defined a lot, as it's overblurred and making the white seem darker than it should be.

Re-uploaded Redid my primary shading layer, so hopefully it helped. 21:35, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

There is a tiny bit of waste on the neck :3. 06:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 22:44, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nice :D Define the shading a tad.

Snow Hare (E) - For Approval
First white cat... Comments? 07:56, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot, and lighten it a tad..although if you blur it, you may not /have/ to lighten it, and that's totally up to you. The shading makes parts of it look awfully gray. Not bad for your first white cat, and I can testify that they're often very difficult to shade properly so they still look white. x.x

Re-uploaded. I tried changing the color of the shading. Changes may not be showing. 08:24, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...much better (I really like that tint .o.), but I think it needs to be blurred a bit more, especially along the back.

Re-uploaded  08:32, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Add more shading, it looks that she had almost none. great job deree 23:17, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Also, there's a blank pixel in the eye. Fill it in, please? =3 23:18, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 01:30, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading a wee bit? It kinda looks dark for a white cat. Otherwise, excellent job! Be e   bs  01:31, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I think the shading that was there before Cloudwhisker commented was perfectly acceptable. I disagree with the improvement you made on the image. However, others may disagree with me, and changing it is entirely up to you.

I must agree with what cloudy has to say, it didn't need anymore shading and I preferred the image in the last upload. And Beebs, white cats can have dark shading just fine so long as the shading doesn't make the entire image look gray, which this doesn't at all.

So, I guess I can revert it back? 01:43, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you're more than welcome to. Also, as a head's up, Bloo. If you don't want to do something another member requests, you're more than welcome to say no to a critique.

'''Re-uploaded. '''Thanks for the tip Cloud. 01:49, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a tad. Wonderful image~ 17:11, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading's blurred enough, actually.

Most of it is, but I think the haunch could be blurred just a tad.

Re-uploaded.  07:09, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

This is cool. .o. CBA?

Sorry, but blur the shading some, then we'll go CBA again. 04:28 Sat Mar 23

Misty Water (E) ~ For Approval
Eh, I'll probably alter the design in the morning, but I wanted to see what came out if I was only half conscious at the time. 03:42, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Mayhap smudge a little of the darker fur in the ear so it doesn;t look like it stops so abruptly. 06:25, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I also made the fur a biiiit smoother. I was going for a haggared look, but not too hair-like. Furry is better. 23:15, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you define the shading on the head? 02:41, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Rainswept Flower (R) ~ For Approval
I added a pale belly and paws. ouo I asked to make sure it was ok, and thank god it was, or this would have had a different outcome... Anyway, she's my last charart as an apprentice~! Comments? 21:16, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a little green. Nice~ 22:38, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Reuploaded. '''Oh yessss. Sexxxahhh. 21:16, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

The pale parts still look quite yellow-greenish. =) 22:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading too. 23:39, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reups~  17:36, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the paws and muzzle? 23:24, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the patch on the belly too? 23:28, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading on the belly. And darken the pale parts, they look kinda off-white right now.

Thunder (Ki) ~ For Approval
Here's the cute little guy - I will do something about the paws later. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange, and define the shading everywhere but on the curve to our right, which sould be blurred a bit. Does this make sense? xD 16:40, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I was just doing that now; I looked at it and realised about the odd looking paws and the light shading. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the white. 17:10, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

There's also some waste near the paws. 17:14, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Differences may not show for a while...☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Reuploaded There was a bit of darker colour in his left paw. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The paws are looking gray and the shading on them is kinda flat. Possibly define them? Also, I know some people don't use pure white, and you may have been told it's wrong to do so, but you /can/. Why not try that, if you haven't already?

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Smudge and/or blur where the white meets the orange some more. <span style="">01:31, 03/19/2013

Reuploaded How bout this? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Lighten his base pelt a little? The other images look lighter to me. 23:09, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

As well as the stripes. The paws also almost look tinted to me in his other images but that could just be me :U  23:52, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

👍,paws are a bit greyish :P 02:00, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I picked the colours from his images; but maybe the shading made it look darker. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Define the shading on the paws just a tad. 21:08, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Blur and darken the shading some.

Reuploaded ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠  ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

The shading color's much to saturated. Desaturate it to match.

How do I desaturate the shading colour?? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

For the whole layer you can go to Adjustment, then Hue & Saturation. Adjusting the 'Saturation' slider into the negatives will desaturate, the opposite will saturate it. For just part of a layer you can use the tool that looks like a sponge, make sure the mode is set to desaturate, and you an adjust the strength on it as well. I hope that makes sense. <span style="">22:51, 03/21/2013

Reuploaded Thanks for the explanation, Shimmer! It was a great help! :)☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Cloud Spots (Ro) ~ For Approval
Comments? 15:19, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Add shading to the ear furthest from us, whiten the white and define the shading a tad. Bb un   legs  15:21, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

The light source doesn't really make sense on the paws 15:32, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Just a heads up. You don't have to match the style for Cloudspots, since we have no confirmation it's actually him.

The white on the chest seems to stretch a bit too far, so he has white shoulders now rather than just a white chest. Shrink it down a bit?

The white looks very gray. Not so sure about the general light source either... 02:13, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this belongs here or not, but if a character's name and description match that of an existing cat and for the time period, wouldn't it save some grief to match the pattern so it doesn't have to get redone later? I mean yeah, there's no proof, but it'd save tweaking it. 02:45, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

It's completely up to the artist, but yes, it'd save later tweaking if the character's confirmed, if the artist chooses to do so.

Reuploaded. I figured it most likely was Cloudspots, so I decided to save a possible tweak and try to match them. 20:26, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

The shading from the belly to the top of the torso looks so black that I cannot see the lineart. I don't know if this is just my computer or not though, and if it's just me then ignore this ^^ 03:27, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Changes might not be showing. 22:43, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Falling Feather (Ro) - For Approval
Woo~ It's been a while since I did a rogue 01:40, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading.

Re-uploaded 21:12, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the earpink and nose a bit? 22:41, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded 01:18, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nightfur (Star) - CBA
My first black cat I think....x.x It's really bad I know, but I tried. xD. 03:54, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

I can see nothing visibly wrong with this image. The highlights, shading, and everything else appear to be in working order, so I'm going to CBA it. For your first black cat, Tai, I'm very impressed~

Sorry to interrupt, but can you add an eye white? I don't see any. Bb un   legs  20:04, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Eye style is artist's choice. And it looks fine to me, honestly.

It's fine. Continuing CBA. 20:22, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste, and I don't believe having the white present in some way is artists choice. Neither of these affect the quality of the image, but could you please fix them?

Half Moon (Softpaw) - For Approval
My happiness knows no bounds right now <3 Paleh's white tutorial helped me on this one, but the shading still seems a bit hard-edged. Oh well. Eyes and ear color from her healer image :)  04:24, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Dove's Wing (SP) ~ For Approval
victory screech 04:26, March 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * dies* Darken the shading just a small tad? ouo . 04:51, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Soften the texture just a little? 05:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. 06:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fallen Leaves (SP) ~ For Approval
Hiya.

Sexyyyyyyy <333 His eyes should be green xD <span style="">05:16, 22, 03, 2013

Re-uploaded. Yup, I know. Paleh told me. If changes aren't showing, go here.

Re-uploaded again because Paleh said that I needed to fix something with the shading. I think I got it this time.

Tall Shadow (R) - Declined
Comments? -Feather 08:09, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

My apologies to interupt; I put a reservation in for her at about 23:30 last night, UTC time. I searched the page several times for reservations, and found none, so I went ahead and placed one. I don't know if I'm wrong, or... 15:52, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nope. Knight, you would be correct. This image is yours, as of this edit. Since Feather's was not there before your edit, the image is yours to create and post. In fact, Feather doesn't even have this image reserved. ._. Declining for two reasons; one, you didn't reserve, and two, even if you had, Knight's was first.

I reserved on the 19th, before Knight, as shown here. I have no idea what happened with that. -Feather 17:36, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm utterly confused. I do not recall blanking it afterwards. But, ahwell, I guess Knight will make a better job of this, so it's declined. -Feather 17:39, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Here, I think the reservation accidentally said March 13th. I really don't like stepping on toes. I am confused as well, but upon these...I think the image would actually be yours. 18:10, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Because the date had said March 13th, and someone else removed it or claimed it as their own or something like that, as we have a one week limit on reservations, and judging by that, the one week had been up, although it technically wasn't. The date had never been changed, so I guess someone had thought you reserved it on the 13th. In this case, I'm more inclined to let Knight keep it, since you didn't change the date along with changing your reservation (and that's how someone else claimed it). However, that's just my decision. We'll let this sit for a while and see what the other members think.

Since part of the reserving process is putting the correct date down when you reserve the image, Shoon had every right to take off Feather's reservation and put down her own based off of the date that was already there. Since she took it off and you reserved it, Knight, the image is yours if you want it. 19:35, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hazelwing (Star) ~ For Approval
back with ol' Hazelwing. All colors from the queen. Comments? <span style="">17:45 Fri Mar 22 17:45, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the ear pink just a smidge? This is amazing, Splook~! I love it!

Reuploaded. Why thank you :D <span style="">20:45 Fri Mar 22 20:45, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Storm (Ro) (Q) - For Approval
Comments? 19:43, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Fox (Ro) (Ki) - For Approval
Yes, I'm doing him. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Comments? 21:20, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Does the texture need to be added like his rogue is? ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

I'm pretty sure the texture needs to be there. Also, he looks a bit darker than the rogue, could just be me though. <span style="">22:14, 03/22/2013

Re-ups gah texture not showing, not even on GIMP. I just made him a bit ginger o3o I have no idea how to change colors on gimp.. there's no sponge tool x.x 22:49, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

There's waste around his tail. Bb un   legs  23:52, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten shading on his legs and paws, perhaps? They look a little too dark. ☮♞ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC"> ✞SorrelΩflower☠ ☯⛄ I needCoffee!

Jagged Peak (Ro) ~ For Approval
*adds to list of patterns that I hate matching* Comments? Bb un   legs  21:59, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty! 83 Darken up the shading a tad on the main body and the head. Other than that, it looks amazing!

Fish Leap (SP) ~ For Approval
Comments? <span style="">23:43, 22, 03, 2013

Woo~ He's sexy! Lighten the opacity on the swirl stripes on his back. 01:00, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sky (Leader) (Ki) - For Evaluation
My first charart for the wiki. Comments? 03:04, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cute! Define the light source and shading, and darken the earpink a tad. :3