Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

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=Discussion=

Apprentice Blanks Announcement
Listen up, PCA. We are planning to redo the apprentice and MCA blanks. Iceheart will be providing the lineart and it will be posted right after The Last Hope is released in April. Until then, no one should take an apprentice or an MCA blank. The ones up for approval can stay until approved, but no more are to be added. Once the blank is approved, all the apprentice chararts will be redone in the approval section so everyone can have a shot at one. If a new apprentice or MCA blank is found for approval, it will be declined. Me, Iceheart, Cloudy, and Ivystripe have agreed all on this. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 01:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

whoa, so we're really gonna do this? Seems really extreme to me, alright awesome! Cant wait to see the blanks x) -- 01:15, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

So exciting! x3  M  i  s  t  y  p  e b  b  l  e   01:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Knowing Iceheart, the blanks will be beast! x) Maple♥  pool  Mischief brewing 01:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Awesome! It'll give us something to do until new books come out, at least. And the old blanks just look awkward and anatomically incorrect. Their shoulders are backwards, for crying out loud... 02:24, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

This is great! :) I agree; the current apprentice blanks don't look right. Especially the tail on the longhaired one. It's practically a ball of fluff! And the legs are too long and thin, the shoulders are backwards...yeah. So we're going to tweak the apprentice blanks, not redo them?- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 08:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I personally think it would depend upon the charart. That's not for me to decide though, senior warrior or not. 08:38, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, looking back in the archives, I notice that the original blanks were put up for approval, just as a charart would be. Shouldn't the new blanks be put up for approval so we can critique them and make sure they are to everyone's liking? 17:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't see why not. It would make a lot of sense. We did that a few months ago with the prey hunter blanks, so this wouldn't be any different. 17:34, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Should I remove all of the apprentices in need of tweaking or makeovers since they're gonna be remade anyway? I can go ahead and save you guys the trouble of removing them if you'd like me too =) 19:21, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why not move them to another section of the page? We could add all the apprentice file names there, because there's bound to be one or two that will be missed. 19:23, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ya know, that's a good idea as well. But we should put in the section to not reserve any of them until the new blanks have been made. If it is agreed I will add the section and add as many apprentices as I can. 19:25, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Go for it. I've no problem with it. I'll help you out as well. Since I don't have much of a life right now, I can fish though each article and find ones that have been missed. 19:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so we don't edit conflict I'll let you know when I've got the section done. 19:29, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Finally! The apprentice blanks have been bugging me for a while. 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh, Cloudy, Ivystripe, you can just use these two pages, in lieu of hunting all the images down yourselves. 20:05, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Duh. I forgot about those pages. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a few images missing. I'll still go through and look anyways. Double-checking never hurt anyone. 20:09, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I went through the category and added all the images, plus some off the top of my head that probably weren't there. Feel free to add any missing or any misspelled redlinks. Minus Mapleshade and Mudfur as they were mistakenly listed there xD 20:19, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I've always disliked the tails. :3 This is going to be a fun project for us all, I'm excited for this. 23:31, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am too. Plus, if a user really wanted to do a character they like, well now they have a better chance at doing that. I'm glad we're redoing them. 00:45, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

After the tweaked apprentice blanks are approved, there'll be loads of new chararts to do! :D Despite the fact that it is a rule that only 35 images can be up at a time on the Approval Page.- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 07:47, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds exciting! :3 11:03, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

This will be intense. We'd have to wait until April though Dx. Though I wouldn't mind. 21:32, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

But would they still be sitting like the old ones? 23:30, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Tweaking Rules
Okay so me and the other leads were chatting it up and came up with some rules that have to be followed when tweaking images. If you dont, the image is instantly declined. (These dont include things i the redoing section, those can just be redone)


 * An image should only be redone if and only if the image is too hard to work with, and either the leader or deputy says you can redo it
 * Don't just add an image to the redone list and then immediately post the image. Give the leads a chance to remove it if they disagree.
 * No major tweaking that they arent listed for either. Like if they had bad shading dont redo the stripes or anything else so that every other pixel then needs to be tweaked to.
 * And if it needs to be redone as longhair/shorthair, try not to change the pelt style too much.

And there it is. 02:17, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair! (Was this decided when chat wasn't working for me?) 02:18, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds fair. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 02:20, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Does this mean that images that have been redone when they only needed tweaking so far will be reverted? 02:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

No. This is from here on out. There would be no point in reverting images that have already been approved. 02:27, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a fair rule. Geez, so many rules are changing these days! :P 19:50, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

What if you have to redo the shading, but there are no other pixels? You know, just that one? It'd be easier to redo it altogether, and there's no worries about redoing other pixels. 19:52, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

If there are no other pixels, then I don't see why not. However, this shouldn't get out of hand. 20:10, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Leafpool's stripes were supposed to be redone on her warrior image, so I redid the whole thing, and I tried to get the white as close as possible to the original. Is it okay that I redid it? ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:36, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Since it was already redone, and the rule was just made, I think its okay. 23:06, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Only if it sorely needed to be redone. If it could go with fiddling with the colors and stuff, then no. We'll have to see how drastic it is (I had to redo a lot of the shading on Skywatcher's loner because it didn't match his elder, but it was nothing but an improvement) 15:15, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

I used all the same colors, copied the white as best I could, made stripes thinner, and added some. Does this qualify for staying redone? ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:49, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

It needs to look like her MCA/MC image, since they came first. 20:51, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well, not really. All the images need to be tweaked for having Y stripes - regular stripes, dude. So technically, I guess it can stay. , 21:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks a lot like her MC (the stripes), and since when did we say no to "Y" striped tabbies? I thought it was for cats like Bumblestripe. 21:03, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

We said no with a chat with the Leads on a PCA chat. You tell me when you've seen a cat with Y stripes. 21:05, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

It is an attempt to make it look like a mackeral tabby. Some of the placements are unrealistic but mackeral tabbies have similar patterns in some places. If it was decided, then there should have been an announcement (unless I was living under a rock) 21:07, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

We didnt say there were no more ytabbies, we just said we didnt like them. Youre allowed to do ytabbies and were not redoing all of them. 22:41, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

That makes no sense. Then why in the world was Dustpelt on the tweaking list for unnatural stripes? Same with Thornclaw. 22:44, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Because no one took them off the list. Its the exact same thing that happened with triangle tabbies. Its the artist choice. 22:46, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Trouble Editing
Is anyone else having trouble editing the approval page, tweak page, or nomination page? The editor won't load, so I can't type or reupload at all. I can only edit the discussion. Is it just me and my computer or is everyone having this problem? ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 21:10, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Nope, mine's working, so I think its your computer. 21:24, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have to constantly move my mouse and stay on the page when I'm doing an edit, otherwise it blanks the page (which makes me look like a vandal...) and it's stupid. If you have an older computer that may be it because at school I had immense difficulty getting on. 23:47, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's probably your computer. Works just fine on my laptop. =) 02:16, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

My laptop is fairly new. It may be it, but it isn't showing that it's broken. I don't know, I just wanted to know if it was a wikia problem or a computer problem. Thanks. ☾Mint☽ Luckily, there is a Family Guy. 20:17, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

It may be associated with laptops, who knows? 21:04, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Goldenflower
I noticed that Goldenflower has a ginger tabby alternate apprentice charart. Why is this, when she is in fact a ginger tabby? I believe this alt was made before the decision about all ginger chararts being made tabbies. Should it be deleted? 02:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

It probably should, but it said she was mistakenly called a ginger tabby, not a pale ginger tabby, so it might stay. 02:11, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

The difference between pale ginger and just ginger isn't much... I don't think it was a mistake, they were just generalizing. They don't call Firestar a flame-colored tom every time they refer to him. They just call him ginger. Should he have an alt for that? I don't think so. 02:37, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was looking at her page the other day and noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it will end up being removed. It's be like calling Crowfeather gray instead of dark grey, or Squirrelflight ginger instead of dark ginger. It just doesn't make sense to have alts for those kind of things. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I've removed it, since it seems to be redundant. If anyone cares to put it back for some reason, they may. 03:01, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't we put in her description that she was, indeed, described as a tabby though? 03:02, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Firestar's article isn't like that, and he's ginger. 03:06, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

But she was specifically said to have it. It's like Spottedleaf's, having ten thousand synonyms for "pretty" in her description. 03:08, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? We decided not to put things like "pretty" into descriptions, because those are considered opinions. It's fine how it is, if you ask me. Firestar has stripes, although it's not in his description, because all ginger cats have stripes. 03:11, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nvm, I thought she did (lmao brainfart) Well if no one else agrees with me then I guess don't add it, idk it's so minor anyway. 03:14, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think we should add it into her description, because she WAS mentioned once as a tabby, and it wasn't a mistake, so it should be added into her actual description. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  05:48, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I'd do it myself, but I'm too dang tired... Paleclaw, go ahead and do it. I don't mind... 05:52, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Kay, I'm on it. :) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  23:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Time table rule
I have noticed a rule that has seemed to become ingored. I've noticed several people that have claimed a character + rank, but they have not entered the corresponding date beside it. I read the rules and burned it into my memory when I was an apprentice, and I double-checked, and it says that if the date is not entered, the character can be removed. I'd like to see this rule actually enforced, because if a person really wants to do the picture, I think they can take a second to add the date in as well. 04:38, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

It would be nice to enforce the rules, wouldn't it? If it says that on the guidelines, and it's not followed, then remove the reservation. Simple as that. I think the newer users think that the reservation date is the day it's finally put up for approval. 04:45, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would adore to see the less-followed rules followed up on. Alright, since you're a lead and you agree, I'm removing them. If anyone else has a problem with this, they may revert my following edit. 04:47, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, wait. What about those that have no date but are already up for approval? Would those become declined as well per the rules? 04:49, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Nvm, I have a nifty solution. I'm going to warn them on their images that they need to add a date in within 24 hours or their image will be declined. I think that sounds fair and then from here-on-out any image without a date will be declined. 04:52, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

That's a wonderful idea. Much better then just adding the date for them. It requires them to do some work. 04:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I have removed the one reservation, and the two others have been warned. I do too, we cannot do everything for them. It shows that they really want to do it. 05:06, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful. Maybe people will follow the guidelines a little more carefully now. PCA's lucky to have you, Ivy. Thanks for actually following the rules. xD 05:09, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the bother, but may I join the project?

To the unsigned comment, please sign with ~ so we know who you are and can add you. And =) You're welcome Cloudy. 14:28, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good idea. :D 19:31, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I like that idea, even though I don't do Chararts, I'm going to start commentin gnow :D  S  w  e  e  t  f  l  o  w  e  r  Calling all  the monsters! 22:09, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Month limit
Awhile ago we agreed that an image would be up for one month. After that, if no signs of improvement is being made, it would be declined because it's just hopeless that it's taking up space. But if the image was quite ready, it would stay up until it's approved. I think we should stick to that rule. There's been some chararts up for approval for over a month now, and it's just taking up space. We agreed on the rule, and I believe we should stick to it. Eh, but perhaps we could abandon the rule if no one agrees. Thoughts? 22:49, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. But I think if it's been over a month the leads should possibly talk about it on the IRC channel to see if it is close. That seems fair over the judgement of one or two. 22:52, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I agree as well. This has been bugging me for quite a while now, since there are a few chararts that are still up, even after one month has passed. If we're going to stick to the guidelines, this is one of the rules that needs to be followed. 22:54, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Woohoo to enforcing the rules! xp 22:56, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, Splashpelt. But the thing is that if we're gonna go through with this, when a lead says that it's declined, there should be no argument. Leads have the final say in this. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 23:01, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I like that rule. x) 23:02, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, I think it would be best if the leads discussed the image's process with each other so no fights break out over it. 23:05, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I remember the last time the leads were on the IRC we discussed some images that would be tied into this rule. I'm on the IRC now if anyone wants to come on to add to this discussion =P 23:13, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wait, can you give me a link to this IRC? I haven't been on the IRC in half a year, so I don't remember what the PCA IRC is called... 23:23, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I've put it on your talk =D 23:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Seems we ignore a lot of rules... I agree with the month limit. Some images stay on the approval page for up to three months with no signs of ever being done. 00:45, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we ignore them, we just forget. I agree with the month limit also. 01:11, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Would you like for me to come on and discuss it as well, seeing as I've been in the IRC before? 01:57, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to come in and discuss as well. Can I get a link? 01:58, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. We should enforce the rules. 08:03, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Can i please be back in the PCA

Can i please be back in the PCA Acornfur 13:13, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gimp?

Can someone tell me where and what gimp is? 13:18, October 7, 2011 (UTC)Leafstar22

Gimp is a photo editor that you need to download, but is free. 17:58, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Actually Stoneclaw, it is more than a photo editor, it is basically a free version of Photoshop. Go to www.GIMP.org/ and there it will help you download the version you need for your computer. It is very good for chararts, and if you need any help with it, I am nearly an expert with the program, so just ask. 21:41, October 7, 2011 (UTC) I'll add you in, Acornfur. Please look at our guidelines for any questions. Also, I think we should have listed PCA discussion dates. We shouldn't just take chances on who would be on when. I mean, we can, but wouldn't some of you like for most of the leads and active users to be on at the same time? Should we have like a huge discussion date once a month? Open to ideas here. 05:19, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea Splashy! Would Warriors/Apprentices be able to join in though? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  10:36, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Limit?
Is there a limit to how many post sections that can be listed on this page, like the limit is 34 on the Approval Page, and 15 on the Tweak/Redo Page?- Kittycat79 aka Rowantail 07:25, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the limit is 35 on the Approval Page. 08:40, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re-joining
I remember I was an apprentice of this project before, yes I did go inactive, but can I re-join? 08:36, October 8, 2011 (UTC)