Warriors Wiki talk:Charart

Buzzardtail- For approval
Well, this is my first charart... Morningleaf Fox Cub Wolf Pup 15:37, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good for your first charart, I only see a few problems:


 * Add shading and blend it, making it look real
 * Blend the ear pink and make it darker, it looks fluro
 * Add highlights on the pelt

Hawkey  Ready for action 17:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I can't see any shading, add some and use the blur tool to make his pelt seem for 3-D. And blur the ear, make it not as bright. -- Peacesong Click Here To Go To........My Talk Page 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

They're right. Make the ear pink a triangle shape in the centre of the ear and blend a little. Despite what Hawke said above, don't add highlights until you've got the shading sussed as it'll make it more difficult and the image may not even need them. Get the shading and ear sorted and then see about highlights. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK. I'll fix that stuff. Morningleaf Fox Cub Wolf Pup 20:00, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Can someone give me some tips on shading? I always get it too dark, and I don't know where to put it. Morningleaf Fox Cub Wolf Pup 20:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really good at shading, either, but what I did was get the smudge tool, set the brush size to about 3 or 5, and then just smudge from the outline. (I did this in Pixlr.) And then I blurred it together by clicking on the blur tool and setting it to about 3-5. As I said, I'm not really sure about the best shading tips, but maybe that can help a little bit. Also, I noticed a couple of other things.

Icethroat21 Hi, how's the prey running? 00:11, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * The right ear is just a little bit darker than the rest of his fur.
 * Try blending the ear pink some more. The ear pink it really standing out right now.

Thanks! I'll go fix that stuff. Morningleaf Fox Cub Wolf Pup 00:53, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Okay. Anything else? Morningleaf Fox Cub Wolf Pup 00:21, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I think the shading is on the back, the hind leg, and where the tail connects to his body. And the back ear should be darker as well. -- Rain whisker 09 18:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to get it similar to some of the approved images, but it doesn't look quite right to me.... :( <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 19:28, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading into the pelt. -- Rain whisker 09 20:07, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

It needs a lot more shading. I can tell you used some, but I can barely see it. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 20:13, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

ReuploadedOkay, I have made the shading darker, and blended it as much as I could. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 23:55, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

You've now blurred the whole outline. Make the ear pink smaller, more central and a slightly paler colour. There is a smudge of lineart above her nose. Unblur the outline and then make the shading thicker and blend it (without touching the lineart) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:25, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the ear, and tried to fix the shading, but I still can't get it right :( <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 16:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry Morningleaf! You'll get it eventually - it takes most people a few tries. You've got the ear pink sorted now, which is good. On the shading, it's now the right darkness and thickness, just a little blotchy. You need to keep it as one clean consistent ine. Then blend the inside edges carefully so they start to run into the rest of the colour. Do not use the smudge tool though as this will make it streaky. Also, you need to remove the shading a little from the muzzle and a coupe of other places. At the moment you have shading following the whole lineart. Just choose the direction of your light source and then think about where the shadows would fall and put your shading there. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:15, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Try blending the shading with the blur tool; in pixlr, the blur tool is the one that looks like a rain drop, and when you hold the mouse over it, I think it says "Blur Tool", but I can't remember...but that should blend it. I highly reccomend putting the brush size at about 3-7 (square), and keeping the strength at 100.


 * If you accidentally hit the lineart inside the picture, make sure to color back in the lineart pixels by putting the pencil brush at size 1 (circle or square, doesn't matter), and put the color to black. Then, just color where the lineart is blurred, and the lineart should return.
 * If you accidentally blurred/smudged it outside of the picture, then just put the eraser at 1 and erase the spots outside of the lineart.

I hope this can help some! And don't worry, you'll get the hang of it eventually! It just takes time and practice. :) Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this: there is so much shading on the front leg, that I can barely see its actual color. Try using less shading there. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 18:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Icethroat. Also, you need to blend the shading. Last, there are like, little spots in between the shading. you need to get rid of that.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 23:42, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I really agree with Swallowtip, the need to be removed, you probably made the spots because you first shaded it, then added some more shading in some parts, so the shading is darker where the spots are. Remove the spots, blend the shading. -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Proud Owner of a Imaginary Panda! 00:04, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll work on it later today. I am very busy with school right now, so please don't decline this. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 12:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I got rid of the spots. Anything else? <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 19:52, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Use this diagram for how to do the eye:. Also, you're shading looks nicer now, but increase it a bit and make sure you blur the transition so there's no hard line. Darken the ear pink a little bit as well. -- Bramble ’-san'  22:14, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I fixed the ear pink and the shading and blended it as much as I could. <font color="Cyan" style="background:MistyRose">Morningleaf <font color="Orange" style="background:PeachPuff">Fox Cub <font color="Yellow" style="background:LightBlue">Wolf Pup 20:24, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Stripes- For Approval
Heres my first rogue! It took forever to do the stripes! Comments? Hawkey  Ready for action 17:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Hawkfire, this is beautiful! The only things I can see are: 1. the ear pink is too light and needs to be blurred 2. the shading needs to be darker and look more like shading; right now it just looks like blobs of darker color. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess 17:34, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M)- I love the pattern of your stripes! Just do what Sparrowsong suggested and it should be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Darkened shading and ear pink Hawkey  Ready for action 00:31, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

The shading should be blurred into the pelt a little more.-- Darkhallows My den 04:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, I tried but whenever I try to blur the shading, it messes up the stripes. I may just have to withdraw this if I don't figure out something Hawkey  Ready for action 20:22, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

The shading on the back is too much, try bluring it! -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 22:59, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My only suggestion would be to lighten the shading so it doesn't look so dark compared to the pelt. But then the shading wouldn't be there so... -- Rain whisker 09 12:08, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I know I don't have the power but work on this, it's going to be declined.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 23:43, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

It still has two days Swallowtip. Also, please try and avoid caps- it's ike your shouting. Use italics for emphasis. or bold. Hawkey: Just lighten the back shading a little more. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:26, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Ooops, my bad. Sorry hawky, this is very good and I didn't mean to shout. My laptops bugging up, I though I was outting it out of caps.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 15:56, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Swallowtip: That's why they make the preview button before you click save page. Hawkfire: To lighten the shading, but not mess up the stripes, try using the dodge tool. Otherwise, it looks very good. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 16:38, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I have tried the dodge tool. And secondly, sorry I have been gone, very busy in the past week. You can't really expect me to be on every minute. And Swallowtip, I forgive you but don't yell at me anymore, especially in caps!  HA WK FI RE98  17:20, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I think you accidentally lightened the stripes while you were using the dodge tool on the shading. -- Rain whisker 09 12:36, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Spottedleaf-For Approval
This is Spottedleaf!!Please tell me how to make her better!!<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 22:05, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like this alot! :D Just darken the shading on the bottem of the herbs a bit more. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:14, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

The one thing that's realy bothering me is her tail - it looks striped. :\ -- Quiet !...

She looks to... blurry. -- Darkhallows Lair 04:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Her tail is suppose to be a brown TABBY tail.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Darn it, her description is WAY too long for me to remember correctly. >w< -- Quiet !... 19:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

I think her tail is supposed to be white tipped. I agree her description is rather complacated. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 01:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

where does it say that she has a white tipped tail?<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 17:05, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

My bad. You were right, it's black tipped. By the way I love the image. I see nothing wrong. Hope it gets approved. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 18:02, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

She's like my favourite character!!nice job!!!<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;orange; background:gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">ღ Şũήמy ღ 18:10, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Love the image, but I do think you blurred her alot and with the shading you could lighten it up some on the paws. They so close to gray, that they should atleast give some closeness to white. On her back I can't really tell if you gave her any shading at all.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 21:49, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Shimmer, you haven't worked on this in almost 2 weeks. Please work on her soon or she'll have to be declined. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 20:58, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

sorry please don't decline her i just had tons of homework so i couldn't work on her.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 16:23, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded-tell me is anything is wrong with her.oh and really sorry i stopped working on her.<span style="color:Orange;background:Blue;font-family:Papyrus;border:1px dotted; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;">Shim-Shim ★ 16:33, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Loner Blanks - For Approval


(M) - I did more of a Melonlemon-style with these blanks and I'm pretty happy with the way they turned out. I also made an example (The shading might be in the wrong places though.)



Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

These are great! Give the muzzle a bit more of a stop and the ears look weird... but I really like them. - Darkhallows Lair 22:45, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

this looks really good Mosswhisker! but since they're loners ,wouldn't the fur be a bit scruffier?--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Turquoise; background:Black; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Turquoise;"> ☆Darkkeh☆ uh...hi 22:46, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

For some reason the head looks a bit small to me... but they look great otherwise! -- Rain whisker 09 23:35, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, Mosswhisker... you're amazing at making blanks! There are only a few things that I can say about these. Firstly, the neck looks a bit too thin, almost pinched, maybe you could make it a bit thicker. Also, I think there should be a bit more definition between the neck and the foreleg, it looks a little too smooth to me. These are incredible, though! <font color="lime" style="background:Black">♫ insaneular ♫ Down at Fraggle Rock! 23:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Thanks guys! I'll change them tomorrow, after school. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:03, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Okay! I changed the muzzles so they have a stop, fixed the foreleg, and fixed the neck. (All I did was shorten it, and I think that helped.) I also didn't know what was wrong with the ears, but I did make them less pointy. I didn't change the fur because it's pretty scruffy as it is, and Loners wouldn't be a scruffy as Roughes. I didn't change the head size becuase when I inceased in by a mear 2 pixles, it looked waaay to big. I also got rid of the gray lines on the longhaireds. What else do I need to fix? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:35, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

The ears look a little small. Can you make them a bit bigger? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 20:19, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

The toes on their paws look a little weird... could you change them? -- Rain whisker 09 20:22, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Changed the toes and (even though it's hard to see) widened the ears. I also changed the shape of two of the paws a bit. Better? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:55, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I think there great. I just think that the eyes are a little small. Other then that I hope they get approved before long. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:05, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know..the eyebrows look awkward?–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:49, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I think the whiskers are a little short. But they're great otherwise! -- Rain whisker 09 12:05, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I'll fix these tomorrow. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:55, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I have a few things - Don't get me wrong - i think that these are good, and I know that you've put a lot of effort into them. I'm just trying to help. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:54, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * The legs are all different lengths. Tey get longer and longer towards the right of the image. The front paw which is bent in the action of walking should be shorter than the others, (because it is bent and therefore not at it's full length) but at the mkoment it is too long.
 * The body is slanted downwards (towards the front of the cat) This may look okay as you finish up the image without being adjusted, but you can have a go at making it more evn if you want to.
 * The ears looks to thin. Don't change the height right now, but have a look at the ears. Also, the back one should probably be on the other side. maybe just fiddle around a bit.
 * The muzzle - it just looks weird to me, no offense. Lots of it is out of proportion and place just within that small space. Open up an approved blank and these, and carefully chck the face, moving around the pixels until they look similar-ish.

(M) - I fixed zeh whiskers. I didn't change the eyes because I couldn't get them to look right, and I don't know what you mean by "eyebrows".
 * Thanks Dawn! I'll fix those things tomorrow. (I'm suffering from chronic lazyness right now.) Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire  21:52, September 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Lol, sorry Moss. I thought the whiskers were eyes, and the eyes were eyebrows.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 13:46, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the whiskers should be a bit far apart. That's why they looked like eyes to me. (no offense)–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:28, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the paws and the ears. I'll fix the rest soon. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:12, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

It looks like their far rear leg goes through the pelt.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 23:48, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't know how to word it, so thank you, Swallowtip. ;) Otherwise, these look great!  Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:19, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * The hind legs are kind of overlapping, if you know what I mean...–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:11, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I fixed the legs and the whiskers. I can't get the muzzles to look right Dawn; could you maybe make me a diagram? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:05, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - What else do I need to fix besides the muzzles? Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:04, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Their hind end looks slightly higher than their font; like they're coming down from a hill. Balance those out, and also make the hind paw that's lifted curl slightly outwards, if you know what that means. It'll look more natural. -- Bramble -san  23:03, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Could you move the eyes and whiskers down a few pixels? And maybe make the eyes a little bigger.-- Darkhallows My den 23:45, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Birchstar (RC)for approval
My first leader and my first tabby. Comments? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 00:42, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Here are a few things: It mostly just needs shading. The ear pink looks fine, and so does most of the tabby stripes. Otherwise, I think it looks good. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 02:16, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Needs shading. If it's there, I can't see it.
 * The nose pink is too bright, it's more of a hot pink rather than just a pink. Try to lighten it some. But from the pictures I was looking at on Google images, brown cats tend to have either brown or black noses, depending on whether they're multi-colored. Try changing it to just a lighter shade of brown from the color of the fur.

The tabby stipes need to be longer in most cases and more varied. Add shading and blend it well. Lighten the nose pink. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 13:34, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Redid the image. Made the tabby stripes longer, fixed nose and ear pink, and added shading. Is there anything else? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:40, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Still needs thicker and darker shading. Then blend it for natural transitions. As for the stripes - make them less regular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:36, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

What do you meen by regular?--<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 02:27, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

um... regular. i'll try and think of another way to describe it lol. bear with me. Make the different lengths, shapes and sizes. That would make them less regular. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:29, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Made the tabby stripes longer and darker. Added more shading. I really don't know what to think of it. Is it better? Worse? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 00:54, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thicken the tabby stripes a bit more.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 01:39, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Also, more shading is needed. Thicken it slightly and then blend. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:04, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I'll get to her as soon as I can. My life has been busy since school started, so I'll try to get to her during the weekend. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 16:14, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Thickened the shading and the tabby stripes. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 19:33, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Comments? --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 17:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Your tabby stripes are too few and far between. They also are too thick and they all look alike. Put in some more and vary their length and look; I know warriors are a different pose but you can look at the approved tabbies for reference if there are no leader tabbies approved. Your shading also needs to be increased, slightly thickened, and the transition then needs to be blended thoroughly. -- Bramble -san  23:00, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Cinderpaw - for approval
I'm not sure about the paw...Minnowclaw 01:18, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think the paw looks great! So does the shading and everything! Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:21, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

The paw looks awesome! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;black; background:white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:black;"> Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 01:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Can you add a highlight to the herbs as a final touch? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:48, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Is this better? Wow, I didn't think the paw was good at all.Minnowclaw 17:21, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - The bent paw needs thickened lineart, and it's bend is too sharp. Round that out, and then she'll be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 17:58, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

It's supposed to be her hind leg that's bent. I have a book reference on her article talk page. The warrior version is wrong too. -- Rain whisker 09 12:01, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Blackclaw is right. I also came across a reference when rereading one of the books. It is her hind leg. Bramble - what shall we do about her warrior version?? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:31, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... someone willl just have to change it, as mal hasn't been seen in the last milennia. Any calls for you could do it? I will, if no one else wants to. -- Bramble My Realm 21:36, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

I will do her medicine cat version. I just erased the leg because I couldn't get it right and it wouldn't show up on the other side in real life.Minnowclaw 22:14, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

She is a dark gray. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 23:53, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

better?Minnowclaw 16:58, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Darker than that - it needs to look like her medicine cat version. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 20:56, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Better?Minnowclaw 22:52, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Still needs to be darker; it's two shades too light. Also, shade the herbs some too. -- Bramble ’-san'  21:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Molepelt (MC) For Approval


My first image. Criticism welcome. Also, I'm not going to be on much these days, so please do not decline this.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 11:53, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

I think the ear pink is to big, and maybe to dark fur? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 12:07, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

yES LIGHTEN THE FUR TO MAKE TO MAKE THE EYE STAND OUT (Oops caps)--Stonestar 14:37, September 13, 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

Lighten the herbs and perhaps make them more of a green colour - I'm not sure a medicine cats is likely to use withered plants... Lighten the fur a little and make sure to add a pupil and highlight into the eye. Look at some approved images for reference. The ineart is blurred and there is colour outside of it in places. When you've sorted that, then we'll talk shading. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:47, September 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded. Any better? I tried adding the pupil, but I don't know if it's right.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 06:21, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I think this is a lot more good, I can see the whiskers now :) I'm not sure but I think the eye colour sould be more big? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 08:43, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Meaning?–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:45, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I've not done a medcat, so I'm not sure if the eye can be biger or not :/ but I mean I can't see the pupil but maybe if you did more colour in the eye you could make the pupil biger, (sorry I'm so bad at spelling) Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 10:06, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, wait a bit.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 10:13, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded. Anything else? Sandy, how much shading is needed?–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 10:41, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

perhaps make the eye colour brighter--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 04:00, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Needs a highlight in the eye. Just put a white pixel on the left side of the pupil. -- Rain whisker  12:14, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded. Any better?–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 13:47, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Blend the shading a lot more, and also, look at Brambleclaw's deputy charart, for example, to see how the eye needs to be done. Otherwise, it looks good. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 22:20, September 16, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:35, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Thin the shading out a bit and make sure it extends all the way down his back. Also, can you use the dodge tool (um... the one that looks like a circle on a stick) to add a highlight to the top of the herbs. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:03, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Reuploaded. What else? Impatience is the new life,(lol) so how much time does it take for an average image to be approved? I've uploaded this around 10 times. Do not take this statement very seriously.–– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 09:35, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

'Patience is a virtue' - I forget who said that. It takes as long as it takes. That's better but now to the same with the other shading on the chest and hindleg curve and then blend! blend! blend! Careful not to smudge the lineart. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:32, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Lolz. Impatience is the new life is the punchline of an internet company.. Reuploaded. Did the same to the chest and the hind leg. –– Σ  ãliãs   G.  r.  paw RR.jpg 07:13, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Flick (R) - For Approval


Okay, my first charart, please don't decline this too quickly because I will not be on on weekdays, well, I might be on a little while, so I will only be able to edit the image sometimes. Not much to say about the image! -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 22:45, September 13, 2009 (UTC

This looks fine, but the lineart is blurred. Also, try blurring the ear pink some more. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 00:15, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll have to do that on Saturday, next Saturday, I can't do it on Weekdays. -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 00:55, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 22:49, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

This is amazing for your first image, Peacesong! (Do you want me to keep calling you that or should I call you Pandasong?) Just get rid of the grey pixel on his leg and it should be good. I can circle the grey pixel if you want... <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 00:17, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! You can call me whatever you want, Peace, Peacesong, Panda, Pandasong, anything works! :) And if you could circle the grey pixel, that'd be great! ^_^ -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 00:44, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Okay, I edited a few things, anything else that needs changing? -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 00:51, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

He still has the grey pixel. I've circled it for you. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined

OKay, thanks! -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 00:56, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Anything else? -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 00:59, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

There are a few bits of blurred line art on his back leg. Other than that, he should be approved soon. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 09:06, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

I will fix that after school today then. -- Pandasong Pandasong's Talk Page 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC) 11:50, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Could you circle the blurred line art for me? Thanks if you could! -- Pandasong <font color="white" style="background:lightblue">I ♥ Pandas 20:05, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

I'll circle it for you. I should get it done soon. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 20:24, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's what needs fixed. The red circles are for blurred lineart, the blue circle is where the lineart is almost gone and needs more black pixels, and the yellow circle is for where there is a gray pixel that needs to be black. I hope this helps some. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 20:38, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much! This will help a lot! -- Pandasong <font color="white" style="background:lightblue">I ♥ Pandas 21:37, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I fixed some of that, what else needs fixing? -- Pandasong <font color="white" style="background:lightblue">I ♥ Pandas 21:53, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

he's great! but I see a small line on his tail--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 23:58, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Could you circle the line for me? So sorry that I'm asking everyone to circle the problems for me, but I want to fix the exact thing so I won't miss any problems. -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:lightblue">I ♥ Pandas 00:13, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

it's small...I know--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 02:12, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, its okay if its small, I want to fix any problems there are! :P -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Call Me Panda! 20:16, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Blur your highlights and shading a lot, taking care not to hit the lineart. Then I’d call him good to go. -- Bramble My Realm 21:11, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'll do that tonight then! -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Call Me Panda! 22:07, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Very good! I would go with Bramble, the highlights and shading need more blending. And the belly shading: there are some spots that haven't had shading go over it. I'm lucky to be your mentor :). <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight  22:33, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Mossflight! I will do that after I help my little sister with her homework! (Means I will do it tonight!) -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Call Me Panda! 22:36, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I'm so sorry I didn't reupload it yet! I'm just really busy these days, really sorry, I just had Chinese School today, I will try hard to reupload it on Sunday! Really sorry! -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Proud Owner of a Imaginary Panda! 02:30, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Really sorry, I just couldn't get on! Please don't decline it even if I'm not on for a week, I'm just super busy! -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Proud Owner of a Imaginary Panda! 00:47, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Dappletail(w)-for approval
Here she is, IDK if I like this one, but it's better than Foxheart xD.-- Darkhallows My den 08:48, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

The ginger looks too yellow and the black looks grey. Other than that, I'd say she's pretty good. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 21:21, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

I can't see any shading. :C Other than that, and what Sparrowsong said, she is absoulutely marvoulous. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 06:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

I think I addressed both of the issues.-- Darkhallows My den 08:24, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Silverstream (W) - For Approval


My first classic tabby. I tried my best to make her look like her queen version. Anyway, does she look good? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 21:13, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

The color and stripes look fine. Things that bother me: The eye, it needs another black pixel, and the ear pink, too dark and on the top of the ear. Hawkey  Ready for action 22:11, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Better? <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 23:09, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Use this as a reference for the eye. -- Bramble My Realm 21:11, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Ok, is this better? I'm pretty satisfied with the way it looks now, personally. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 21:27, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the eye looks much better. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 16:27, September 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * The ear could be just a tiny bit bigger.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 18:55, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Better? BTW, I love your awesome queen version of Silverstream. The tabby stripes look so neat. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 19:29, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Jaypaw - for approval
I'm so fed up with the other type of tabby stripes! I tried this one, is it good?.Minnowclaw 23:31, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

I love this. He is supposed to be just grey, though, and this is more like light grey/silver. I'd change him to darkish grey. <span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color:IceBlue; background:pink; border:1px solid; ; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:aqua;"> Sparrowsong Madly Blooming Princess |undefined 03:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

better?Minnowclaw 16:42, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, he looks better now that he's darker, but what happened to the tabby stripes? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 17:29, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I thought that he wasn't tabby?Minnowclaw 19:02, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - His page description is a small gray tabby tom. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 21:01, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

He's a tabby...--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:31, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Darn it, oh well, looks like were going back to the beginning. I returned him to tabby and made him darker.Minnowclaw 17:05, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. He's a gray tabby, and that's what we've got here. Comments before approval? -- Bramble ’-san'  21:10, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... His eyes seem to dark for a blind cat. On the eclipse cover he has lighter eyes. Change that then it should be perfect. <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 22:10, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Rowanstar - for approval
*Makes note to lay of patched cats*<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 23:39, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Add some more shading, blur it and add some highlights too if you already haven't! Otherwise, it looks.........alright. -- Pan das ong <font color="white" style="background:silver">Proud Owner of a Imaginary Panda! 00:21, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

He Looks awesome. All I can see is maybe add some highlights? -- MU MB LE 785 MAN-EATING KITTEHS! 00:43, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

HIGHLIGHTS AREN'T MANDATORY! Pandasong, the shading is blended to the best of my ability.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 01:34, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Highlights are not necessary, that is true. A shaded cat without highlights is both simple and approvable. Swallow, you just need to blend the transition between your patches, darken the ear pink and make it less smudgy, and that's about it. He looks very nice. -- Bramble My Realm 02:35, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Just take the patch on his chest and connect it with the other brown patch on his leg; it looks a little unatural right now. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:06, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded made the ear pink darker and redder, connected the patches and blended to the best of my ability without it looking smudged.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 16:01, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - It looks great! Just add shading to the bottem of his tail and this should be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 20:55, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded Is that better?<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 22:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Much better. All he needs now is you need to blend that patch right near his mouth, because it's just hard line where the transition is, and make the ear pink a more dark pink color than purple. Also, on his right (our right) ear, move the ear pink inside the ear a bit more, and make it more triangular. -- Bramble My Realm 01:53, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Storm Clouds at Dusk(PH) - For Approval
He is a prey hunter with the tribe, so I thought he deserved some acknowledgement for it. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 05:32, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

There is a grey line at the bottom on the left that needs to be removed. Other than that, this looks great! One thing though: on the other prey hunters mud streaks have bene included - does he need them? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 15:02, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I thought that Stormfur was a cave guard. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 16:15, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I'm with spottedwing on this. I'll get outcast and dawn so I can check.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;silver; background:darkblue; border:2px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:silver;">*Swallowtip * EMBRACE THE TIP! 16:32, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Spottedwing is right. In Outcast, during the scene that Jayfeather saw, Stormfur was teaching the other cave-guards fighting techniques. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 16:50, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I just read that too. Will this be declined becuase that would be a real pity.Minnowclaw 16:53, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

You're all right! Stupid me... I didn't even notice my mind was so full of other things. They're right Dawn; he was a cave-guard. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:50, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Wait. I found another prey hunter with a simalar discription. Storm Clouds at Dusk. I love this image and I think it's too good to be declined. --<font color="Blue" style="background:cyan">Spottedwing 19:25, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I'm with Spottedwing. What do you say dawn? Do you want to make this Storm Clouds at Dusk?Minnowclaw 21:42, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

I probably will, but just quickly - he was teaching the cave guards, but that doesn't mean he was one of them. I thought that because he joined the Tribe to be with Brook and all of his time there before offically becomeing one of them had been spent with Brook, being trained in Prey-Hunter-ness, that he had become a prey hunter (if that makes any sense) I mean, we know he had training in hunting, but I never saw him getting training in Cave-guarding. If no-one agrees with me, I will change him though. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 00:38, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Actually - I have made some Cave-Guard blanks which I will put up at my next chance, so I'll just make this Storm Clouds at Dusk. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:12, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah - forgot about the line. Fixed the line, and by some random miracle, it finally let me make it transparent. So I made it transparent. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 04:16, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Beautiful Sandy Dawn! Just add some mud streaks in the fur and it should be good. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 18:04, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Lol, this is Dawn's image (which I'd be more than happy to take credit for!) Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:49, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Yea, that's why I shouldn't try posting until my brain's working properly again. xP Sorry Dawn! Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 19:58, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It's okay. You made me laugh. (Rodd and Todd in background - yyaaayyyyy!)(lolololol). Added mud streaks, comments, critism? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 21:16, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Did you reupload yet? The image looks the same. -- Bramble My Realm 21:52, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah... it seems I forgot. Well I've done it now! :D --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 22:16, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Wait! In the allegiances of Eclipse, Stormfur is listed as a prey-hunter. -- Rain whisker 09 22:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

This could probably be either, their descriptions are identical. The mud streaks need to be blurred in, Dawn. -- Bramble ’-san'  21:11, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Rainwhisker: This should stay as Storm because I have a reference. Page 52 outcast, Brook says, "I was a prey hunter and Stormfur was a cave guard. Dawn: Beautiful! Not really much, but blur the mud streaks like bramble said.Minnowclaw 23:21, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

OK then never mind. Sorry! Must've been a typo in the allegiances. -- Rain whisker 09 23:46, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Birchfall(A) for approval


He's back!!!!!!!!!!!any thing to improve?--<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Chocolate; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Chocolate;"> ☆Brackenstorm☆ X3 01:00, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Add shading under the chin. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 02:39, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

His stripes are strangely thin and are all the same. Try changing some to make them less regular- add some 'y' shaped ones or some more curved ones and thicken them all. I use a size 9 paintbrush for tabby stripes and they seem to work quite well. Perhaps a size 5 for an apprentice; experiment a little. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:03, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Raggedstar (Le) - For Approval
I've done two versions of him with different tabby stripes. Which is best? Constructments? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 12:28, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

My mum thinks the one on the left, but I say the one on the right. They are both brilliant. --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 12:43, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I say the one on the right. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 14:31, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Lol, thank your mum for me Dawn! I like the one on the right best but I wanted to see what everyone else thought as triangle markings have been considered cartoony and not up to project standards in the past. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 14:39, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'd go for the right one. =) I think the tabby markings look better on it. But either one needs for blending and darker shading. And the black lines... I can tell your using though as detail for the patchy fur, but maybe make them a darker brown so they don't stand out as much. Hehe, checking in.--<font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#949494">Warrior♥ <font face="Tempus Sans ITC" color="#7A7A7A">Warrior's Den 15:37, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded I've saved over the first version as the other was definitely most popular. Warrior: I've blended the shading as much as possible and have also blended the markings a little too. I've lightened the black lines to a dark brown but haven't darkened the shading. When I tried to darken it by just one degree it became so distinct and dark that it was impossible to blend. I have done a version with highlights though to try and make the shading seem darker than it actualy is. The highlighted version is now on the right, the normally shaded version on the left. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:26, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I like the right one best, yet again, but there is a little patch on (his left, our right) shoulder where the shading and higlighting meet pretty suddenly and could be blend more. Other than that, Thumbs Up! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 21:32, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Personally, I prefer the one on the left. *Shrug* Up to you though. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:38, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I have to go with the right as well, if you want majority rules opinion, Sandy. Fix what Dawn said and he should be good to go. I might do Brokenstar next, so he'll have his son to go with him. :) -- Bramble -san  21:54, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Birdy - For Approval
Yep, I finally did her. Constructive criticism is welcome, and remember, if I don't respond right away, even for a week, DON'T remove. <font color="Cyan" style="background:Black">G <font color="Green" style="background:Black">B <font color="#9933FF" style="background:Black">57 17:27, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - There are dark gray dots inside of the middle patch, and I can't see any shading. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 17:40, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

The ear pink looks... circular. -- Rain whisker 09 23:41, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Smokepaw (A) - For Approval


(M) - Poor Smokepaw, he never got to see the new territory. At least we know he is in the ranks of StarClan though.

I'm going to regret putting this up while my other blanks are up later, aren't I? :P Anyways, I would have put this up sooner, but I decided to change the image. The old version (which you can still see in the upload log) was a darker color and had the shading in different places. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 17:59, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I like this one better than the darker one. Nice job, Mosswhisker! Icethroat21 Enter at risk 19:10, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I really like him but I think the way the neck shading comes in from behind him doesn't look right. Also, something about shading on the chest seems weird too. But other than that, he's beautiful! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 21:45, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I used almost the exact same shading style as one Bluestar's apprentice version, so could you explain to me how to fix it while refering to that image? It would help me alot. ^^ Thanks! Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 22:08, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Redtail(kit)-for approval


I had a lot of fun making this image and it was a bit difficult to make him look just like my deputy image, but I think he is close enough. Here's Redtail as a Redkit when seen in Bluestar's Prophecy. One of my first kits since I hardly have any experience with them, but I want to get around to trying.-- Shim-Shim New Gladiator! 18:53, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good, Shim. Just blend the shading on top of his head (transition line), and maybe take out the white on his muzzle... it sort of looks like he has a beard. Blur the patches as well. -- Bramble My Realm 21:49, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Cave-Guard Blanks - For Approval


Inspired by a need to make Stormfur. So I couldn't help myself and made an example (of Stormfur). Comments/ critism? --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 21:28, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

These are great! The only things I see are that the ears need to be pointed, the eyes need to be a bit bigger, and muzzle lineart needs to be thickened.  HA WK FI RE98  21:31, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Changed the muzzle line art to make it thicker and made ears pointer. With both I made them the maximum they could be without... looking disturbing. The eye can't get any bigger whatsoever without looking disturbing. Thanks! --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 21:41, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

I thought M&S was making the cave-guard blanks...? These look great! But I think that the line where the muzzle connects to the neck looks a little awkward. I would change the line a bit. -- Rain whisker 09 22:31, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

(M)- Oh, I forgot to tell you Blackclaw that I decided not to use them becuase I became way to busy. O_o Sorry! I like these blanks alot, but something about them makes them almost look chibi-ish...I can't pinpoint it right now, but I'll let you know if I figure it out. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 23:36, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Haha, chibi? But yes, they do look rather young. I would hate to try and distort these images to try and make them look older, because they are beautiful now. Dawn, what do you think of making these our to-be blanks? They look like young cats beginning to enter adolescence. It's your choice, though. -- Bramble My Realm 00:54, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I have to-be blanks reserved Bramble. I don't think they look to young. If too many people disagree maybe they can be soft-paws.Minnowclaw 01:19, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I think they'd be great for soft-paw blanks. But Bramble's right, they're too small to be cave-guard blanks. Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:39, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

We'll see what Dawn says, or if she can fix them to look older like the amazing artist she is. Minnowclaw, I'd like to see your blanks, if you are done with them. -- Bramble My Realm 01:59, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Adorable! The transition from hind-leg to paw is a tad awkward, though.-- Darkhallows My den 08:23, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Minnowclaw, are you making both tribe to-be blanks? Because if not, then you could do the prey-hunter to-be blanks and Dawnfeather could do  the cave-guard to-be blanks. If you're OK with that, of course. -- Rain whisker 09 12:34, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Blackclaw: we're only having one set of to-be blanks. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 17:47, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oh... but couldn't you make two sets? It would be more work, but we're already making two sets of tribe cats, why not make two sets of to-bes too? Just an idea. Unless Danwfeather would rather make these soft-paws. -- Rain whisker 09 22:50, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

You know what, these are too good to just toss out and mine will never be like this. Dawn, if you want, they can be to-bes and maybe I can scratch something up to be soft paw's.Minnowclaw 23:54, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

If you are sure, I think I'll do that. I don't think that there is any point making two different types of to-be blanks as we have only meet about three or four. Could those who had things they wanted changed please repeat themselves? This article is such a mess that I can't find anything! (sorry) --<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;Orange; background:LightBlue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Orange;"> Dawnfeather talk! 01:18, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Looks like this, I think: Blackclaw09: the line where the muzzle connects to the neck looks a little awkward. I would change the line a bit. Darkhallows: Adorable! The transition from hind-leg to paw is a tad awkward, though And everything else was about the chibi-ness, but that's settled now since they're becoming to-be blanks. -- Bramble -san  01:33, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Lionblaze (A) - For Approval


Well, I'm not really sure how to do a tabby yet, and I was trying different things, and I wasn't sure which of these two to put up for approval. Personally, I don't like either of them, but which one do you all like better? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 00:15, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

IDK. Keep the first one and put the shading you put on the second one on the first.Minnowclaw 01:12, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - I like the second one personally. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 01:21, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I took down the one on the left, because the stripes looked weird, and I like the one on the right better. So, what changes should I make to this one? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:36, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I made the shading lighter, because I felt like it was too dark. Well, what else do I need to do? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 21:22, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - Add tabby markings on the tail and legs. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:01, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

REUPLOADED. Added the stripes, but they're not very noticable on the tail. How does it look? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:44, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Blackfoot (D) - For Approval


His other two versions, rogue and leader, have been done, so I thought I would do the version we saw him in during the first series. Constructments? -- Bramble My Realm 02:33, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

He looks good to me, Bramble. --Darkhallows... Having major wiki issues.

Blend the shading on the back a little. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 18:28, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure it did much, but I blended on high power and this is the best I can do. -- Bramble ’-san'  21:13, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Brambleberry - for approval
Well, here's Brambleberry, my fist medicine cat. I tried adding some highlights, and I honestly have no clue how it looks. Comments?-- Echomist <font color="Goldenrod">Hear the Echo... 15:17, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

it looks like you missed a bit on the left leg? Brambleclaw14 <font color="Red">Talk 15:49, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

This looks too gray to be a white cat. It did say she was white with black dots sand a strikingly pink nose, yes? <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 22:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Made her coat color whiter.-- Echomist <font color="Goldenrod">Hear the Echo... 21:14, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

What happened to her strikingly pink nose? :( Lol the pelt looks great now, change the nose back, and then I think she'll be ready. -- Bramble -san  21:49, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Tallpoppy (Q) - For Approval
I'm taking the opportunity whilst I actually have the time to put some images up so here she is. Constructments? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 19:07, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Oh wow, Sandy, she looks beautiful. Nothing I can see is wrong with it. I love your tabby stripe style. :) btw, like my new siggie? -- Bramble ’-san'  21:15, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :) I was a bit wary of trying these as they always looked so hard to do, but I guess it payed off! I love your new siggie :) What does 'Bramble-san' mean though ??? Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:43, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Mothwing for approval


I know it might be a little bad so please help me make her better.<span style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC; color;orange; background:gray; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:orange;">ღ Şũήמy ღ 22:06, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Not bad at all. She's a dappled golden tabby, right? That's what I see here, and she's very good. She just needs some more shading. On her back, legs, chest, and head, just run the burn tool (about 50%, on midtones, if you know what that means) along those areas and she'll be good. -- Bramble ’-san'  22:09, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Wow this is ver ygood Hiddensun. But, like Brambel said, it needs more shading. Also the herbs looks really darkly shaded, could you lighten 'em up a bit? <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 22:17, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Wait Bramble everyone here uses 50% on midtones? Wow, Iv'e bbeen doing it on highlights since I got here o_O. <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 22:18, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about everyone, but I find it keeps the shading texture able to make the original color darker without adding in gray. You can use whatever one you want. :) -- Bramble -san  22:49, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

I use midtones as i find highlights hard to blend on pixlr ^_^ Not everyone does though I'm sure. It's not a rule, just good advice for someone who hasn't done shading before. Sandy ~Dragonkit's Forest 16:45, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Ok thank you!!i hope itstake a while to fix her because i am way busy with school.<font color="#ff1493" face="Matura MT Script Capitals">ღҢĺđďệИŜυήღ <font color="#ee82ee" face="Lucida Calligraphy">The Eclipse... 20:34, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Darkstripe (R) - For Approval


Hmm... strange I should work so hard on a cat I despise.. this is possibly the best shading job I've ever done. Anyway, constructments? -- Bramble -san  22:55, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

He's beautiful! I love the stripes < 3.-- Darkhallows My den 23:05, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

WOW! This is great! Good job bramble!Minnowclaw 23:23, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

(M) - *Is envious of markings* Wow, this is great Bramble! Just lighten up the shading on the muzzle, it's way to dark right now. Mosswhisker &amp; Steatlhfire 00:00, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments, guys. :) I lightened the muzzle, and also turned the eyes blue, as they looked weird to me yellow. Do they look better yellow? -- Bramble -san  01:39, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Lilystem (Q)- For approval
Huh, the wiki seems to be working for me again. So I thought I'd upload Lilystem!-- Darkhallows My den 23:08, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

She's beautiful, Shady. The only thing I see is that her nose looks odd all black; if you could make it a grayish-pink, it'd be great. -- Bramble -san  01:42, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Alright.-- Darkhallows My den 07:08, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Willowshine (MC) - For Approval


Well, I'm still not that great on tabbies, but I really wanted to try a medicine cat, and I couldn't seem to have much luck at finding one who wasn't a tabby. So, how does she look? Icethroat21 Enter at risk 01:50, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

SHe's really dark, I amagined her lighter. Kinda like Feathertails color. <span style="color: Black; font-family:Comic Sans MS; background:Blue; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color:Black;">Mossflight 21:57, September 22, 2009 (UTC)