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Cloudpelt (W) - Tweaked
He looked less blue with blotchy shadings, now he looks like redone (its not!) Darkhallows is OA ,14:07,December 12,2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on the paws and blur all the shading. 20:03, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Also darken the shading on the head. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  21:16, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't the eyes be the same color as his deputy image? 15:04, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

I know, Im going to tweak it **dont bite me*, Reuploaded,18:58,December 13,2011 (UTC)

How come you haven't changed his eye colour yet? This, as well as his apprentice image, won't be approved until you do. 02:14, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

looool ,20:57,December 14,2011 (UTC)

There's a lighter spot on his butt area, and the head highlight (or whatever) seems lighter than the other areas. Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 09:45, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm hightlinks for white cats are not good, its just shading, ill fix that, reuploaded ,20:43,December 15,2011 (UTC)

The shading's a bit blotchy on the body, smooth it out a bit and darken the shading on the head. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:59, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded ,21:01,December 16,2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading a lot. 21:02 Sat Dec 17

reuploaded ,21:21,December 18,2011 (UTC)

Lighten the shading some  00:34, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

reuploaded ,17:30,December 20,2011 (UTC)

Smoothen out the shading. 02:35, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Woody - Redone
Um.. *Steps into unknown territory* First charart that I've tweaked/Re-done. :3 So...Yepp. ;) . 01:41, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Yay for your first tweak! ^^ This is lovely. Move the fur next to the head over ---> this way a bit, so it looks more like it's attached to the head. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:44, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

This is why i luffles your skill, this is awesome!Darken his eyes a bit. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 01:48, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

OA? 04:21, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. That would be User:Flamingomom3. :3 I'll fix this when I get home. :) . 00:19, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the ear-pink smaller. 19:27 Sat Dec 17

Blur the shading a bit. ^^ Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 00:04, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yo, Thistly. You still working on this? 10:17 Wed Dec 21

Stonestar (D) ~ Tweaked
OA was Ashshadow, I think. Shading and highlights needed to be redone, image needed to be darkened. Comments for improvement? 16:03, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Make the lighter parts a bit paler. Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 02:49, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

@Sky, what do you mean? 19:20, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

As in lighten them up some. Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 23:47, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 23:53, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Piketooth (W) ~ Redone
Okay I know this didn't look like it needed to be redone but the lineart was smudged and I couldn't fix it, so here he is, OA was Maplepool, I suck at tabbies but I tried and I think it turned out ok, if you disagree that this needed to be redone tell me and I'll just use the other one and add the tooth. 19:15, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

I love this! You did everything on this? You got skill! Tone down and blur the highlights. 19:23 Sat Dec 17

The changes aren't showing click on it and look at the first one on the list. That's the one I did. 19:51, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't Piketooth have protruding canine teeth? Should that be added? Bluestar11796 20:54, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

It is added. The changes aren't showing, remember? Look at the image details. 20:55 Sat Dec 17

Reuploaded I moved the tooth up I think the changes are showing now. 21:02, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yes, now they are. Add some stripes to the top of his head and his ear. Good job. 21:03 Sat Dec 17

Reuploaded 21:36, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well, at least you kept my Tabby style. I liked that style, rather fond of it. Looks good, define the hoighlights, i cant see them. Lovely by the way! Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 22:43, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's because there aren't any highlights, and yeah I liked that style too. 22:46, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink bigger. ^^ Sky-Jedi  You will talk to me. 00:21, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Wild, you need to get permission, no matter whether you think the image needs to be redone or not. Looks at the top, it says your image will be declined if you don't. However, I've asked to redo this one before and gotten a yes (though I never got around to doing it) so this should be fine, but just for future reference, always ask unless it's on the tweak nominations page listed as a redo. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:25, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry Paleclaw, I'll ask next time. 22:24, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

It's fine, just telling you for future reference. Anyways, make the color a bit less green. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:37, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Green? 00:54, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

It looks tinted green. That tends to happen a lot with browns. Just move it farther from the yellow on the color wheal/bar thing, and closer to the red. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  01:28, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

He doesn't look green,he looks brown. Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 20:54, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

He looks brown to me too. ^^ <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 06:56, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Idrk about the brown-green issue, but make the tooth kinda off-white, as a wild cat is unlikely to have a perfectly white tooth :3 <span style="">10:18 Wed Dec 21

Stonestream (E) - Redone
Redone as longhaired. OA was Spottedwing with a tweak from Nightfall101. Comments? 20:42, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the earpink a smidge. :3 <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 21:33, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded - o3o 21:02, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Poppyfrost (K)~ Tweaked
OA was Maplefern, and i did the same thing to this as i did all her other images. 23:10, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Make the earpink bigger on this side >>. 00:29, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I didnt touch the ear pink so im not changing it. Its fine. 00:51, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well it looks kinda sloppy on both sides, so blur them both, at least. <span style="">05:00 Sun Dec 18

I dont know what "it" is. 07:34, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

The earpink. The only thing ever referred to under your image :P <span style="">09:55 Tue Dec 20

REuploaded- I figured, but with how touchy you are about people specific, i had to rub it in ;) 22:06, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Brook (Alt W)- Tweaked
She needed a torn ear and her eyes should be grey, unless they were described amber or whatever. OA is Mistystar 139. I think. <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 00:45, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

She was described with amber eyes, so add that back. 01:36, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. My mistake. ^^ <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 01:54, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

The highlights don't make sense, unless the sun is underneath her...can you fix that? Maple♥ pool  Mischief brewing 15:52, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

The sun could be in front of her maybe... <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 23:48, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, Sky, I think you should redo this :3 I'm not the leader or deputy, but this is practically plum coloured, the shading doesn't make any sense, and the earpink is way too big and not the right colour. I'd put it on the redo list, and just redo it. You could ask Iceheart or Scarlet for formal affirmation, but this really does need to be redone :P <span style="">10:20 Wed Dec 21

^ I think the ok from two leads should suffice. Go ahead and redo it, knock yourself out. 17:08, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I agree, redo. When you do, could you make the torn ear match the PH and queen images better? It's more of a V on there. I know this matches the warrior version exactly, but in my opinion, that one doesn't match her other images. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:21, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Tigerstar (Le) ~ Redone
I got permission to redo as there was too much to fix on his old image to tweak without the original file, and Icestorm's hard to get a hold of these days. OA was... Mumble785? With redos by Nightshine and Icestorm. Comments? 04:16, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Giggity, better than his old image (no offense to my wife xD Not the face. ) I dont see anything wrong with this though, except darken the nose abit, it kinda stands out to me - 04:20, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

All you should have done is asked Icestorm for the file. She does have an email, and tons of other ways of getting ahold of her. This image did not need to be redone. Yes, the scars looked unnatrual, but, that's not something that warrants an entire image to be re-done. You tell me what was so wrong with it that it needed to be re-done? I liked the way Icestorm made Tigerstar. You could have emailed Icestorm and asked her for the image files. I don't care how cool/awesome you think this one is, Shelly. If other users get yelled at for re-doing images, even when they asked, why should you be able? Seems a little bit hypocritical.

All of Icestorm's images are being redone while she's not here, because you guys don't like them. Great StarClan, what has this project sunken to? 04:31, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Scarlet seemed to agree, maybe you ought to go talk to her - 04:34, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Don't be mad, but I'm with Cloudy on this. She would have sent you the file to tweak, I know she would've. 04:37, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm with Cloudy too. Plus, the apprentice image will have to be redone when it really doesn't need to be, just to match. If you're not gonna ask Icy for the file, at least keep the colors and tabby style (except the eye color, that needs to be lighter) ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  04:43, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and the tabby style needs to be kept anyways, regardless, because he's supposed to have stripes like Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw, so unless those are gonna be redone simply to match an image that didn't need to be completely redone in the first place, it needs to be changed back. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  04:46, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well, guys, it actually did have to be redone. It needs to match Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's images, and Icestorm isn't here to do it, so why shouldn't Shelly? I agree, the original reasons for redoing the image weren't right, but it does need to be redone, so this should stay up. Just change the stripes, Shelly. <span style="">04:51 Sun Dec 18

So? If Icestorm was emailed, and Shelly obtained the layers, then the stripes could just have been tweaked and possibly the scars. What were the other reasons it absolutely needed to be redone? 04:55, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well basically you're saying that everything but the shading needed to be redone, right? That warrants a redo. Icestorm isn't here to do it, so why bother obtaining the layers? <span style="">04:57 Sun Dec 18

Because the image was redone for the wrong reasons, and the style changed completely, when it didn't need to be. There was nothing wrong with the other style, and Shelly went and changed it anyways, without any regard for the other images that would need to be redone to match it. It did not need to be redone, and even I could tweak this. 04:59, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

One thing I forgot when I gave Shelly permission for this is that if Tigerstar's redone, Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw would have to be redone too... Shelly, if you think I'm sounding hypocritical I'm not mad, because I bet I am and I'm really sorry for that. As for the style, I think I have to take responsability for that too. This is my fault and mine alone. (NOTE: Scarlet's in a pissy mood today). - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 05:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well yes, it was originally redone for the wrong reasons, but if you look at Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's images versus the previous Tigerstar image, they actually don't match, and they're supposed to resemble each other. The style did need to change, so this is fine as long as Shelly redoes the stripes to match Hawk and Bramble. <span style="">05:06 Sun Dec 18

The original Tigerstar image was redone for multiple reasons. However, I CBA to mention them all. If anything, the other images should be tweaked, as they're not that different from one another.... Or, if this stays, Shelly should be forbidden to take on another project until each and every one of Tigerstar's, Brambleclaw's and Hawkfrost's images matches, since she was the one to make such an unnecessary change to the tabby style. 05:20, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Look, I'm not saying this tabby style should stay. I'm saying Shelly should her stripes to match Brmable's and Hawk's, as the previous version (the one Icestorm did) didn't match them. When I said "it was originally redone for the wrong reasons", I was talking about this image, in case that wasn't clear. I think we're somehow missing each other's points here XD <span style="">05:23 Sun Dec 18

Before we go any farther, let's see what we agree on But I think Shelly should have the right to know what happening if the stripes stay (again, this is my fault). If she agrees to redo all of the other chararts or if she doesn't, we can go from there. - Scarletwind  ✧ L i s a n n a ✧ 05:26, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Scars needed to be redone
 * The stripes didn't need to be redone (and that's my fault)

I disagree. I think the original stripes did need to be redone. They're much darker and not very similar to Bramble and Hawk's stripes. Scarlet, don't be hard on yourself. It's nobody's fault here: simply a case of miscommunication and slight confusion. <span style="">05:58 Sun Dec 18

Woah guys. Chill. I had valid reasons for a redo. The eyes needed to be pale amber, not dark. His scars needed to be redone. The black muzzle needed taking off. The ear pink meeded to not be purple. The shading/lighting was a bit too contrasting. Look, I did not do this because I thought mine would be cooler, and I would never do that. 06:16, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

However! Since you guys feel so strongly about this (I feel this may be leftover from that friggin Crookedstar thing) anyone that can please contact Icestorm for me to get her take and ask if she has the ability to send me the file. 06:27, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

I feel I must say in my defense, though: really? Months ago when I pointed out that an image was being redone without permission that didn't need to be redone, everyone got up in arms against me for pointing it out. Now, I redo an image that I believe really did need redoing with permission from the project deputy, and you're still in arms against me? I promise you people that I haven't done this out of spite for Icey or because I want the glory of doing Tigerstar. I want to do this because it has been sitting on the list for weeks and no one else will do it, whether or not they are capable. And, might I say, since the chiz that went down with Icey before I havn't 'yelled at' anyone for doing it. Not that I yelled before. Only pointed out when people ignored the rules. 74.110.191.160 06:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

As for your reasons for redoing, some of them really aren't that valid.... The shading was fine, the earpink was fine, and the eyes can be tweaked extremely easily, without even having to put up for approval, so I'm not sure you can even count that as a reason. the scars WERE unnatural, and needed to be tweaked/redone and the black muzzle needed to be removed. That's it. Also, if you try and look through the scars on the old image, they matched the style of Bramble and Hawk pretty well. They could maaaaaaaybe be thickened, but that's all. And Scarlet, don't beat yourself up, everybody makes mistakes, and it's not really your fault. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  07:53, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

And? I have more of a valid reason to redo this than Icey did. All she beeded to do was add scars and a black muzzle, but she redis it and everyone was fine with it. Like how all Crookedstar needed was his cream parts removed and all Firestar needed was a pale underbelly and.they got redone. All without need or permission. How is it justified that I'm being told off, when I have permission, and it's alright? Am I le ss of a senior warrior than Icestorm? Do you people assume that I cannot use my judgement fairly on these things? 74.110.191.160 15:19, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also, can someone cite when Bramble, Hawk, and Tiger were said to have identical stripe patterns? I remember them being said to have the same body types, shoulders, and claws. Not patterns. Heck, the only one with a specific pattern described in the books is Hawkfrost with his tail. 17:03, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Guys, this attack is out of line. Let's stop it. Shellheart was granted permission to tweak. She deemed that there was too much detail to avoid redoing the image. There is no reason she shouldn't just completely rework the image. When Icestorm uploaded the file, there's where all her rights to the image ended. If the project decides to replace it, then that's what the project decided. Or at least the leader/deputy of the project did. If you have a problem with how this happened, then you have a problem with the tweaks approval process and should be looking into changing that, rather than attacking someone for doing exactly what they had permission to do. Artists do not retain any control over their images. The project has the right to do as they decide is necessary, without asking the artist. If the approval for tweak was granted, it was granted. If you have a problem with how what tweaks get through, then propose a new process for approving tweak proposals, don't attack an already approved tweak-in-process for existing. 17:23, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Why do I not see any reason that my old one had too be re-done? 21:46, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Icestorm, the image is not yours. The minute you put it in PCA it became PCA's. And you had no valid reason to redo it in the first place, not for this one or for Firestar, Crookedstar, or the many other images you've redone without cause or permission. I believe I do have reason, and I got permission. I'm tired of getting attacked every time I do something pertaining to you. I respect you and like you as a fellow member of the project, but I'm tired of being attacked every freaking time I dare say or do something about one of your images. Do you have more claim to your images than does, say, Nightshine who did the image of Tigerstar that was up before your redo? I do not believe so. Just because your still around doesn't mean that your images are not subject to redos or tweaks. 23:29, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Now. Can I please get some valid critique on this? Or shall I continuously be treated like a criminal for daring to touch Icestorm's work? 23:37, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

o.e Anyways, blur/dull the scar on the haunch with the highlight. <span style="">23:49 Sun Dec 18

Re-uploaded, changes currently not showing. Thank you, Sweetflower. I also shortened the scars on the tail. 23:55, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of whether you were given permission or not (I'm not getting into that^), the tabby pattern needs to match the rest of his images. Darken the nose as well. 23:57, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Saturate his eyes a little. I know they're supposed to be pale amber but right now they look almost white. And smudge the pelt into the earpink on his non-torn ear. 23:58, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

He looks a tad greenish... Also, Shelly, are you planning on redoing All his, Brambleclaw's and Hawkfrost's chararts to this pattern? They're said to look identical to their father. - Scarlet   wind    ✧ L i   s a   n n a ✧  00:16, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not really against the fact that you redid it, I'm against the fact that you completely changed the style and look. It's possible to redo things without changing the style. There's really no need to change the style, so please change it back. Keep the stripes the same and change whatever else you like, and I doubt anybody would have a problem. Ugh, Scarlet, edit conflict. XD ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕   ☆StarClan be with you★  00:18, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'll change the pattern back. And Scarlet, can you cite when they were said to specifically have the same patterns? I remember that Bramble was said to have the same eyes, and all three were said to have identical shoulders and claws. I don't recall the stripes being mentioned. 01:34, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Happy guys? The pattern's back to normal. I had it greenish original because, frankly, the old version was a bit green and I did want some similarities. I darkened the eyes a tiny bit as well, and made the nose dark brown/black (whichever) instead of pink (suits him). 01:54, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to say if there is nothing wrong with the stripes or anything it shouldn't be tweaked and/or redone. Also when they say Bramble/Hawk/Tiger look all the same, it could mean body shape, not markings. Anyway, blur the scar on the shoulder a tad. 03:34, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have issues with the process that decides what does and does not get tweaked, take it up with the project, not with a user who already has had a tweak request granted. 18:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I clearly remember it saying identical stripes, and I think it may have even been cited at one point, though I'm not sure. I don't know which book it would have been in though, and I don't have very many to check at the moment. Only ones before even Bramble was born. Anyways, this is better. Redden, darken, and blur the earpink. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  05:28, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree about the ear pink needing to be redder. I think making it redder would make it inconsistent with the shade of the cat (EVIDENCE). Brown cats lack red pigment. His ear inside shouldn't be rusty, it should be flesh colored, on the darkish side. I also feel like the blurring level is fine... Blurring it more would take away the nice effect of the head fur being longer than the ear fur that it has right now... 18:02, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

I really want to change the stripes back... I don't care if I have to tweak all his images and his son's. This pattern is unrealistic. Show me a picture of a real tabby with a pattern like this, Firestar, and Crookedstar I will believe it and leave the stripes alone. But we need to be making decent images and these stripes do not look like those you'd find on a real cat. 20:11, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

That's really unneeded work. And plus, how often are our stripes compltely realistic? Are you suggesting we redo them all? And this IS actually pretty realistic, here's proof. It make not be exact, but it's pretty darn close, and it shouldn't be changed because it's supposedly unrealistic when it's not. That would mean... *counts* 11 images would have to be completely redone just because you don't like this style. To me, that seems completely pointless. Anyways, alright, Kit's right about the earpink. But could you saturate the eyes juuuust a bit and define the shading a tad? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  00:21, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * That cat is a classic tabby, and not demonstrating the consistent spine-to-belly markings that Shelly's calling unrealistic. Notice the curving, swirling nature of the markings in your photograph. 01:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

The cat you cite as proof does not look like this. That cat has a bull's eye pattern. This image has continuous diagonal lines and nothing else if you look at his other images. I don't say it because I dislike it, I say it because it's not realistic. And I'd love it if people would stop accusing me of doing these things because I dislike Icestorm's images, I'm not that petty. 02:11, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it DOES look quite similar. It's realistic enough, and I think it should stay. Look at the shoulder on that, and look at the picture, it's similar, and look at the flank on this, that's similar too. And if you like this pattern, keep it this way. It's realistic enough. Look at all the other tabby types we have. VERY few are completely and totally realistic, and this is pretty darn close to a real pattern. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:16, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

(sigh) Fine. Whatever pleases the masses. 02:21, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I would like to see us use realistic patterns, but it'd be an unrealistic undertaking to redo them all, if you know what I mean. Look at Spottedpaw, have you ever heard of a brown cat with ginger flecks? 02:22, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I would be nice, but it is waaaaaay to much work, so for now they should just stay the same. It'd involve redoing every single tabby almost, as extremely few of them actually have realistic patterns. Maybe one day, but for now, they shouldn't be redone for a reason like this. But yeah, maybe one day, that'd be cool. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  02:28, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Defined the shading and saturated the eyes. I also smudged the scar on his left shoulder. Also, Ivystripe, a brown cat with ginger flecks. I've also personally seen a white cat with black ears and paws. A lot is possible. But some tabby patterns just don't happen. I'd just say from now on with new cats we should encourage that realistic tabby patterns be used. 17:02, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

The cat in your picture is a tortie, for the record. As for the black with white patterns, it's theoretically possible, assuming the cat has a gene that creates a white stripe down it's back that's displayed in a way I've never seen photographic evidence of being possible. Unless you've gotten a close look at the cat (by 'close look', I mean touched or sat within 5-10 feet of for several minuets) I'd be more inclined to assume it had stepped in something than it actually had those markings. If you can, take a picture and send it to the folks over at Messybeast. A cat who's otherwise white with black feet (specifically lacking a colored tail, or color at the point where tail and body meet) would be an extraordinary animal, potentially of genetic significance as a new discovery. (If the tail/rump has color, than it's probably just a really weird Van. What makes Blackstar so weird is the complete lack of any other body color indicative of something that exists in cats just being displayed weirdly) 01:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Could you make his colours more like either Hawkfrost or Brambleclaw? Right now he's kinda green-tinted. (I still think you should have kept the original image that you first posted and just redone all of Bramble and Hawk's images, because this stripe style is definitely weird. But that's just my opinion, and it seems like everyone else wants you to keep it like this, so whatever.) <span style="">10:26 Wed Dec 21

How about you redo the style and instead of redoing every image by yourself, you allow other people to redo some of them too? That way you won't be stuck with eleven images. 12:13, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Oblivion, you genius. <3 Guys, can we do this? I hate triangle tabbies, and the pattern Shelly put up originally was beautiful. <span style="">22:32 Wed Dec 21

Ya i say go back to Shellys pattern. 00:12, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Really!? Thanks! I shall. And of course other people can do the other images. I don't object to that, and I thought we got rid of that rule anyway. 01:20, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I redid his pattern as a mackerel stripe pattern, on the logic that since he and his sons supposedly have the same patterns and Hawkfrost's pattern is the only one ever described, this is the only choice really. I did him as a proper mackerel, too, not half triangle tabby half mackerel as Hawkfrost's images are, and I tried to make him less green (the screen I'm currently using distorts colors a bit, sorry). I'd also like to know if I could get an extension on my time on this? This entire last week has pretty much been spent arguing my case. 02:08, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Of course <3 Just so we're clear, we're redoing Tiger, Bramble, and Hawk's images? Or just Tiger (I've reserved Bramble's deputy just in case o3o)? Darken the eye a bit; it still looks more white than yellow. 02:26, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I still think this is creating unneeded work, and a lot of it at that, but whatever, I guess I'm out numbered. Make the earpink the same color as the stripes, and could you possibly make the speck on the tail brown instead of white? I know it's the artist choice, but it just looks out of place to me. ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:17, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. If it was just one person doing all eleven images, then I'd speak out and say it's too much work. But with everyone doing them, it's hardly any work at all. 03:22, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wolfheart (Ki) ~ Tweaked
Shading needed to be redone, and I also tweaked the earpink a tad. (actually it just got erased so I had to re-do it xD) 14:31, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blur -> earpink. <span style="">17:30 Sun Dec 18

Reuploaded Blurred the earpink.
 * me up there  22:33, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darken the shading and define the pupil in the eye. <span style="">03:07 Tue Dec 20

Mudfur (MC) ~ Tweaked
Shading tweak, and that's all I'm touching. Same reasons as the last Mudfur. The shading made me gag, and I knew I could do better. OA was Echomist, but, it didn't even have the correct description for the longest time, so I re-did it. 16:28, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Could you dull the herbs? They look very unnatural. 01:41, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think the shading needs a bit more blurring. ^^ <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 07:09, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Are his legs supposed to be darker? I'm way too lazy to look at his description. 12:14, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

True...It's not part of the description, lighten the shading a tad on the front legs. This is awesome. :P 16:57, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Braveheart (W) ~ Redone
OA was Sandstar12, redone with permission by Scarletwind; unrealistic tabby stripes. Comments? 00:13, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading tons, and the stripes look painted on after the shading, could you darken the areas of the stripes in the shading? 01:07, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploaded. I did the stripes before the shading, but I defined the shading on them anyway. 01:11, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Can you add more stripes to the legs? 02:33, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

I like how you did this one ^^ Darken the shading a couple percent. <span style="">08:04 Wed Dec 21

Macgyver (W) - Tweaked
Just added a collar. Comments? <span style="">11:35 Wed Dec 21

Could you make the back of it a little less square? 12:15, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

And can you make the tag a little bigger? Lovely :3  17:05, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reuploaded <span style="">21:26 Wed Dec 21

It looks sparkly! 8D Could you smooth the shading out a bit on the collar? Besides that, very pretty! 02:10, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Foxclaw (W) Redone
I got permission from Ivy to do this. The shading needed to be redone. OA was Honeyfur. He wasn't described as solid so I'm pretty sure I can make him look like this. Comments? 19:41, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Brighten the ear-pink and define the shading a bit more. Lovely, Mountain! :) <span style="">01:14 Thu Dec 22 01:14, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Thank you Scarlet! :D 01:22, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think you should make him solid, he wasn't described as a tabby anywhere. 01:24, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, since "Russet is a dark brown color with a reddish-orange tinge". Not ginger. 02:24, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded *Sigh* Alright. So boring now though :( 03:06, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean, but you've got to live with it :) Make the earpink smaller, blur it, and brighten it. 03:09, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

But Russetfur was made a tabby because she's russet, so should she be made solid again, or should this be make tabby again? ♔ⓅⓐⓁⓔⒸⓛⒶⓦ♕  ☆StarClan be with you★  03:18, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Russetfur's not russet. Her description says dark ginger. Just because she's called Russetfur doesn't make her russet. She was probably darker as a kit, then lightened as she got older. 03:20, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hollowbelly (W) - Redone
Shading was blotchy among other things. OA was Icethroat. Comments? 20:08, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Woohoo for tuxedo cats :D Can you define the shading on the black a little please? :3 20:41, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">00:21 Thu Dec 22 00:21, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Frostfur (W) - Tweaked
Shading needed to be redone as it was blotchy and inconsistant and the earpink was too bright, original artist is Stonestar/MosspathOfSkyClan. 01:24, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blur the shading. ^^ <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="purple" >Sky-Jedi <font face="Cambria" size="2" color="orange"> You will talk to me. 03:27, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

and define the earpink - 03:29, December 22, 2011 (UTC)