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Thorn (Ro) ~ For Approval
Eh. Comments?

Define the shading and add some depth to it if possible, it's lookin' a little flat at the moment. 07:48 Tue Nov 5

Add a little more texture? It's great, Silver c: 12:48 Tue Nov 5

Texture is completely optional. 13:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. Cute! 17:12 Tue Nov 5

Reuploaded (See hereif the changes aren't showing.) Thanks for your lovely and helpful comments ^3^

Darken, define, and add depth to the shading. 21:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded See here if the changes aren't showing.

There is waste under the tail. Also, define the shading on her side, in the middle around the spot of light. 18:17, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded (See here if the changes aren't showing) I changed the shading placement again n_n" Sorry. It's still similar though.

Blur the shading more. What program do you use? 22:01 Wed Nov 6

GIMP

If you use the airbrush for the shading, you may want to just go over a section once with a black shading color, that way it doesn't get over defined. Or, just make the shading have more intensity as it goes away from the lightsource. But I'd say this shading is slightly over defined.. I guess I'll show you one of my private images for an example..xD I'm addicted with Ezimba. I'm their number 1 visitor lately. Here: On that one I made it light-ish, and not too dark or else I wouldn't be able to see my texture anymore. But here's a solid: On that one, though, I may not have defined it enough..xD But, just keep in mind: The darker the cat, the darker the shading, the lighter the cat, the lighter the shading. :3 -is a very wise kitteh xD- Also, this may be the longest section I've ever written in PCA..lol 12:52, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well my method for shading is to take a super fuzzy smudge tool, make it about 30px or so, and gently smudge the edges of the shading back and forth, to make it seem a bit more blurred. As for Dark's comment about darkness and base colors, that's untrue, for the most part. Shading darkness is up to the artist, but the artist has to pull it off- you can have it as dark as you want to as long as it looks nice. 01:02, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I took parts of methods and put them together to change the shading a bit. Now with texture! :D (I can remove it if you want, though). Changes here

There is waste all around the image. Nice! 16:02 Fri Nov 8

Extend the closest foreleg highlight down to her paw. Very nice! 14:19, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading and maybe add more depth too. :)

Could you define the unshaded parts on his legs? The back leg that's closest to us is fine, though ^^  16:26, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Just realized I've been using the wrong line art this entire time.Changes here If this is my attention span during my spare time, I'm concerned about my attention during school

Erase the waste by the flank 07:29, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I have, it's just the reupload system is messing with everyone. I have a link provided above to the real picture.

Smear pelt into the earpink. 12:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tail texture flow with the body more. -- 18:19, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please lighten the shading? Maybe add some highlights, lower the opacity of the shading, or blur it, in your condition. This is looking good so far~! -- 01:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I've said it before, Bright. Shading darkness is artist's choice; please don't ask someone to lighten it unless there's a very good reason.

Reuploaded I think that's how flow-y my tail can get. And I don't really use highlights. If I did, I don't think you could see the texture or natural colour well.Changes here.

I see some waste near the forepaws. 00:45, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes here.

I know it might not be my place to suggest this, but should Thorn be CBA'd? I've had her for longer than a week now and there's been no more comments...

I know this is artists choice, but can you lessen the opacity of the shading layer jusssssst a tad? It makes the texture seems to get lost on the shading. Nice work! 14:32 Sat Nov 16

Reuploaded Changes here

Add some more shading too the head; it looks a little flat compared to the rest of the image 23:06, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Changes here

Alder (Kit) ~ For Evaluation
Isn't she the cutest little thing? I know I'm not actually part of the project, so if there's anything wrong with how I reserved her (I put my name in the table and followed its format) please notify me and I will withdraw her. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 23:11, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Brighten the white a bit? Very nice! 3:09 Wed Nov 6 2013

Smooth out the shading, it looks a bit blotchy 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded That's as bright as the white can get, and Scarletwind, are you talking about the shading on her left front paw? There's a patch of gray there that makes it look blotchy, I can remove it if you want, though. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:31, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

There is a square-patch of somesort that needs to be blurred/smudged. Here: Yes, I circled it due to the fact that I can't explain for crap. Not because I'm getting up in your face. ;) It looks amazing, Ember. Keep it up! 03:55, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

That area looks fine to me, Dark???? This is actually really cute omg. Maybe define the shading in general?

No, I see what dark is getting at. You can't see it in the zoom version but its like a squareish shape cut out? I'm horrible at explaining but yeah can you smudge there? 10:03 Thu Nov 7

I still can't see what you're looking at. Maybe it's because of the eyelashes? It seems to disguise the area around it, and I still say it's fine.

Here, I zoomed out, and screwed the eyelash for a better view: Can you see the square now, Snowy? o.o 12:40, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here if changes aren't showing. That was part of her white, but it did look weird so I extended the gray. I think the shading is fine, but if more people think I should define it then I will. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:32, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Blue the shading on the legs, and define the neck shading - if you're using this light source. 14:22, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here if changes aren't showing Emberpoppy7 (talk) 15:46, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lighten the shading on our left side of the image. It's darker than the rest of her body. -- 17:45, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Darkness doesn't need to be the same throughout the entire image. ^^

Can you blur the ear pink more into her pelt? -- 01:48, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Here for changes if Wikia is being a butt.

Ember, it'd probably be best if you didn't use Photobucket. It's not really a private hosting site like iaza or something. To my knowledge at least, you'd be publicly uploading it on there, which isn't allowed with wwiki blanks. Best to use some other hosting site that's private such as iaza.

All right. I didn't know it was against the rules. See here for changes. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 01:48, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the dark patches of shading on her legs and <<< chest. 23:27, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Those aren't dark patches of shading, it's because of the grey that it looks dark. Emberpoppy7 (talk) 13:30, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Either way, lighten them a touch and you're losing your earpink in this <-- ear 23:05, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reups Emberpoppy7 (talk) 02:15, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Leaf (Ro) ~ Withdrawed
Meh, I fail. Anyways, I put "For Evaluation" because this is my first charart! But as I've seen in other discussions, it can be removed when the user knows what he/she knows what they're doing. So, comments? -- 23:51, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Can you darken the highlights a smidge? The seem shiny. Nice job! 1:56 Wed Nov 6

He needs to be black and white, if I'm not mistaken. 01:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink and give him a gray nose 04:58, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded I ended up having to redo the whole image...if there is a way to make a gray and white cat black and white without redoing the image, please tell me. This took up so much of my time. *.* -- 20:28, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white is very gray. Also, define the unshaded parts more. Also, can you make the pattern a bit more realistic, like this maybe? I like those eyes. ;) 23:00 Wed Nov 6

Re-uploaded 'Kay, for some reason, the wiki won't let me upload this image, so I brought a link with me. Thanks Hawk for the picture, it helped. Changes are.

To be perfectly honest, the pattern was more realistic before... I think that pattern was just fine.

I think this one is more realistic, just overblurred. Maybe try smudging it instead of blurring it so much? 0:35 Thu Nov 7

Hmmm..Maybe try to aim for it to look like this? I did a quick version of what I'd do..maybe you can get some tips and pointers from this. ;) 04:18, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Dark, I do apologize, but that's not very natural either, and I'm going to agree with Paleh, that the pattern before was more realistic. Perhaps try to go back to that one if possible? I liked it. *.*

That's fine, Cloudy. It was only a 30 second job..xD 21:49, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I kind of liked the pattern before. I switched back. ouo -- 22:08, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Okay, I kind of blurred the ear pink because I thought it looked...odd. -- 22:09, November 7, 2013 (UTC)

The earpink is leaking out of the ear. Also, can you sharpen the black patches, as they seem overblurred? 1:00 Fri Nov 8

Re-uploaded I switched back to the originals, so there aren't any black patches anymore. Blurred ear pink, though. -- 01:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

It looks over-smudged. Sharpen the black patches, they're losing their shape definition 05:43, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

'Kay, I'm sorry to say this, but I'm going on a trip to China to see my relatives for two weeks, which means I don't get to finish this image in time. I just found out about the Internet connection there and let me say...it's not to hot. So, can someone please take over. I was so mad, but I guess fairest is fairest...-- 21:51, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take over. 01:36, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded. Bahh, I guess it's okay. ._. I thought about texturing the white for some time while making, but then decided it wouldn't look good..soo, Comment away my friends! And may they be good. c: 02:48, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't align your images. Also the pattern isn't very realistic, maybe something like this, or even this would work. Also define the shading, earpink and nosepink, I'm having a bit of trouble seeing them. -- 02:54 Sat Nov 9

Also, maybe smudging instead of blurring would work. 3:35 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. This came out beautifully..I followed first suggestion-cat, Wildd. And sorry about the aligning image thing, didn't know. See changes |here if the wiki is acting up again. 13:26, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 20:21 Sat Nov 9

I don't really know how to put this in better words, but something about the black patches seems to be throwing me off. Maybe define them, or...I don't really know. Just saying. -- 17:32, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I can't exactly see the ear pink. Maybe darken it? -- 01:50, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

You can see the earpink just fine? o.o It's practically whacking people in the face, imo. And if I darken it, I'll have to lighten it. So, it's fine. As for the pattern, it's from an actual black-and-white cat, so I won't change it.. And, they are defined enough, and if I define them anymore, it'll make this image look slightly over-defined, and possibly pixelated. But yeah, Hawky, I'll define that shading. c: But, thanks for your comments, Brightpool, and please recognize that I'm not brushing them off, but, because what you have mentioned, are in perfect shape and form, I will not change unless someone else points it out/agrees to your comments. Hope that made sense! I re-upload tonight. 17:57, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually going to agree with Brightpool on this one. I think the black is a teeny bit too dark (and coming from me, that's saying something since I love black and white cats), and they seem a little too overblurred. The earpink could also be a little more pink-ish, imho, but not all that more. I think the pattern itself is good, however.

Re-uploaded. Thanks. I hope this fixed the problems.. 20:13, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please leave a image-hosting link of the image. I honestly have no clue what version I'm looking at <span style="">20:20 Mon Nov 11

The black patch on the tail is gray on the bottom. -- 21:26, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry~ And as for the gray, that's the tail shading. 22:05, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Then if that's the tail shading for the black patch, shouldn't it be darker, because gray is lighter than black...sorry if a sound like a pain in the butt, but I just noticed it right now. -- 23:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, you're not a pain! c; But, the reason I won't make it a darker gray, is because you may not be able to see the shading. And then, I'll have to revert it back to this current version. But, if someone else agrees with you, I'll change it. :) 00:06, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading quite a fair bit. Also, lighten the black a bit and darken the shading on the black only. Also, what's up with the tail, and why is there a lighter gray stripe on it? If that's shading, it should be darker, not lighter? I'm confused as to what's part of the pattern on the tail and what's shading and/or highlights.

Re-uploaded. I re-did parts of the image, so the black was less intense so you could see the shading. Zipped the stupid pale stripe on the tail, which originally was a stupid-attempt-at-shading-black. :P I tried to make the black not look over smudged/blurred. But hey, it never looks good to me. At least you can see the shading now, and I'd prefer not to touch it anymore. So yeah. 00:19, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

sorry for making you touch the shading ;c The shading on either sides of the belly/back (yes, that whole mid-section area) are very "streaky" (for lack of better word) and need generous expansion, blurring, and lightening (they are very dark/gray). Also, the patches are extremely blurry in some areas, and not blurred in others. If you want, hit me and email and I'll be more than happy to help you with tinting so you can not have to worry about the shading looking gray, but promice me you will use it.. .-. <span style="">03:06 Fri Nov 15

Lol, sure I promise. Hit me an email, because believe me, I could really use some tips and pointers. Black-'n'-white cats are beginning to be the death of me. xD Even though, they're one of my personal favorites. 03:42, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Smooth out the shading some, as well? Besides what Kelps said, they could be more smoother and less blurred. 23:28, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't uploaded, my computer died. :O I'm getting a new one..Uploads will be either tonight or tomorrow. 20:53, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. c: 01:39, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

The shading on the white needs to be thickened and blurred 23:04, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Now, I'd prefer not to touch the shading anymore. I like the darkness of it right now, and don't really want to change it, as shading darkness is artists choice. Any more comments on the black-'n'-white kitteh? xD 02:52, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, the shading on both sides of the belly need tons of blurring and expanding. Also, why is it smudged? O.o Either smudge the rest to match of blur it out- it needs blurring anyways, so... <span style="">06:27 Sat Nov 23

Withdrawing, sadly..I just can't get him to look right. I'll work on River's kit or something. 21:26, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to go ahead and take over on this. <span style="">21:41, 11/24/2013

Snowfur (Q) - For Approval
Thar she blows! I wanted to do a white cat because I haven't done one since.. Whiteberry. <span style="">16:04 Fri Nov 8

Define the shading. Pretty!

Define the eye depth a bit, too? 21:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Thanks! <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">11:31 Sun Nov 10

I think her eyes still need to be defined better. Maybe make her black pupils wider? Amazing job, Amber! -- 19:28, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you smooth out the shading on the upper chest just a bit? It's a bit blotched. Great job! <span style="">00:41 Tue Nov 12

Reups! Hi. Thank yooou, <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">18:40 Tue Nov 12

recheck your lightsource use a sig sub page maooo >;c <span style="">03:08 Fri Nov 15

Could you specify what you mean? Just saying that is extremely vague and not really helpful at all, imho.

Lol you're right. The tail and belly read that the light coming from our right, and the hind leg off the ground as well as the face read coming from the left, and the other legs are too flat to read. I'll make a tutorial and put it up on a subpage of mine, I'm working on it. <span style="">18:33 Sat Nov 16

Could you smooth out the shading on the chest? It's starting to get a tad blotchy. 23:29, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I think the ear <--- this way needs a bit more gray.

Reups <span style="">16:07 Wed Nov 20

Where's your light source coming from? 00:40, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's great, Amber! Her pupils need to be more wider. <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:18, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Eye style is artist's choice Swan.

Bluestar (Q) ~ For Approval
Here's BLUESTAR! I love this cat soo much. Comments for improvement? 19:27, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading a bit, and please don't align your images when you post them. ^^

Reuploaded. Not sure what you ment about the aligning images thing. Changes here. 21:19, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

See, when you post images, the thing should read  , but instead, sometimes it reads   . That aligns the image to the left (or right/center depending on what it says to the left of the pipe), and it should just be placed normally on the page. What it does is forces the image to stay in one spot, and also messes up the sections below it, should it be small enough. Since the other images aren't aligned, it forces the other images (and sections) to appear skewed, so to say, and also causes the images to not be sectioned properly. All in all, it's a pretty easy thing to fix; just go into source mode and make sure the coding says exactly what I said. ^^

Smudge the pelt into the ear-pink 07:35, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. I did smudge the pelt into the earpink, but I went ahead and defined it. 21:39, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

CBA?

Sorry to interrupt, but the light source is inconsistent. The hind legs suggest that the light source is behindh her, but her tail and belly say it's the other direction. 19:57, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. If changes aren't showing. 20:21, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is receding from the lineart a bit, and the earpink is leaking out of the ear. I know the shading lightness is artist's choice, but can you lighten it a tad? <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">17:17 Thu Nov 14

Reuploaded. I redid the shading, but the shading is fine in terms of lightness/darkness, and I couldn't find any earpink leaking out, but I still ran the eraser tool around the lineart on that layer. | Look here if changes aren't showing. 22:19, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Shading darkness isn't fine in terms of matching. Tint your shading very blue and lighten it or the color will never match the other images.

Reuploaded. | Look here if changes aren't showing. 21:19, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading. 21:27, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 21:36, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading and light sources on the legs. I can barely see them, and they appear flat. 23:30, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

I can't see the ear pink on her torn ear. -- 23:55, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine. I used the same color of earpink for both ears, and that ear is in the shadows, so it wouldn't be as easy to see. Plus, if I remember correctly, the earpink doesn't have to be super-defined, as it isn't like that on real cats. However, if more members agree with you, I will change it. 00:49, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and enlarge the highlights on her forelegs, and blur the shading along her belly and tail a bit more. 01:23, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 01:40, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I actually agree with Glitter. The highlights are making the earpink lighter, so keep darkening it or add some more earpink layers on < that side. <span style="">16:00 Wed Nov 20

Blur the highlights/lighter area on the left foreleg (our left). 08:13, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded.

Add some depth to the shading, where the places where no light would hit would be the darker parts. After that, I think it'll be ready. 00:06, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. Played with the shading opacity a little bit. 00:34, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Nightcloud (Queen) - For Approval
link Comments? -Feather 11:29, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail. <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">13:28 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. link -Feather 13:43, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the furthest hind leg. 13:47, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. link -Feather 14:28, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Nicely done~ You're someone else who can handle a really dark base for a black cat. 8D

Re-uploaded. link And thank you c: -Feather 18:57, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

The lineart gets lost in the shading, can you lighten it just a smidgen please? 20:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's mandatory to see all the lineart. I believe it's fine as-is.

Could you sharpen the shading? 23:34, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I lightened the base a tad, as I couldn't darken the shading any more, and it did need defining. -Feather 17:45, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well, the darkness isn't the issue here, it's that the shading is blurred a bit too much. It needs to be sharpened, so it isn't quite as blurred, and you can see where shading stops and highlights begin. 00:54, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 19:53, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind giving a link to the image from a site like ezimba, or something similar? Because, I don't know if this is the current, or a past version. If this is a current, I see waste all around the image.. 03:35, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

here ^^ -Feather 20:52, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

I can see the waste now x.x Will re-upload in the morning. -Feather 20:53, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -Feather 11:39, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Darken and define the shading just a tad, since it appears a bit flat, and it's hard to see it. 23:30, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 23:02, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 18:46, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define it further- you might have to redo the shading to get the edges of it sharp enough. 23:49, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 12:07, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Clovertail (Q) ~ For Approval
Wow. Her pattern wasn't so bad, and I got her pretty dead on. I didn't really like her, since she was pretty much only with the Clan for protection, and didn't get off her butt to train. But yeah. xD Comment away! 14:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Where's the light source? The body, I can tell for the most part, but the face says otherwise. Also, define and blur your shading, and whiten the belly and chest white; they appear gray. Also, smudge the earpink, and define the eyedepth ouo 14:16, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

For shading placement to clear up source issues, I recommend this as a guide, not so far off of your current shading placement. Also, make the white go all the way up the front legs, as the hind legs are fine. Coming along well, Frosty! <span style="">16:10 Sat Nov 9

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Hawky!! c: I have all the Clovertail files, so when I search Clovertail, I see my image and the rest of her collection. I think mine matches pretty well. But I fixed the shading, eye depth, and made the white more white, and lightened the shading in those areas so it doesn't look gray. See here: if wiki is acting up still. 19:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading and darken it on her body.

The white on her forelegs needs to be more higher up, to her belly, and the belly white needs to go up a bit more on her chest. 20:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't tell me you're looking at the wiki image, Beebs..look at the ezimba one, please. If you're not already. c;. But, I'm following how far the white goes up on the other images, and where it is currently, is where the other images' white stops. So I'd rather not change it. And Cloudy, if I darken the shading more, I'll just be told again that the white is gray, the shading over-defined, and the list goes on. Unless, there are certain parts of the shading you'd like to specify..then I'll see what I can do. 20:56, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I was. Well, could you define where the white meets the brown on the chest and shoulders? They seem a bit overblurred. 21:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur that little strip of shading on her shoulder to make it blend more? Also, could you maybe try to connect the back leg shading (the brown part, not the white) to the back shading? It looks awkward just by cutting it off right there. It's either that or you could blur it more. 21:19, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded.  23:42, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

The shading still should be thickened and darkened on the brown. Why not try shading the white and brown with two different layers? Als, thicken the shoulder shading. I'm also not sure what color you're using to shade, but with how it is, it's starting to change the coloring (especially along the back), and it doesn't seem to match in certain spots. In the case of this shade of brown, try using a darker brown or something along those lines. Never use black- it looks green when you do that. Trust me, I've done it more than enough times. x.x

On that note for the shading tint, when I did the alt queen, I used a darker variation of the base pelt color, on around about 50-60% on multiply, try that. -- <span style="">08:55 Wed Nov 13

Re-uploaded. Thanks, Wildd. I did try that, and it worked wonders. 01:03, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Blur and expand shading tons. Good going so far <span style="">03:10 Fri Nov 15

The white pattern looks a little too straight across to be natural, if you know what I mean. Make it curve with the imagined muscles and belly more 05:23, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't uploaded, my computer died. :O I'm getting a new one..Uploads will be either tonight or tomorrow. And thanks, Kel c: 20:54, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. c: 01:35, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

It... Still doesn't curve. <span style="">00:24 Sat Nov 23

It curves...If I change it anymore, it won't look like Clovertail anymore.. 21:23, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree. What we mean is it needs to follow the contours of the cat's body, making it seem 3D. For example, it should get higher up the left side of the belly and lower as it goes toward the left of the image, go high>>low on the shoulder closest to us, and kind of slope in a curve. I'm terrible at explanations, and I'm out of town right now so if someone is willing to explain my point and/or make a guide then so be it. And yes, it will match. If you fix it up right, it should have the same colors as well as blurring as it does currently. <span style="">05:20 Mon Nov 25

Fallowfern (Q) ~ For Approval
Got all the colors from her previous queen image. Here's the link. Comments? 02:39, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the light source? Sorry if I'm missing something but it looks like it's coming from the direct top, but I'm pretty sure the tail would be lit in that case. lol I'm not even in this project  04:55, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- I moved it to the other side, not sure if that was right or not, I'm hopeless with light sources. x.x If changes aren't showing. 19:38, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Make the tint of the shading more creamy, because it looks as if you're using either black or blue, and it's kind of creating a disharmony between the main fur color and shading. 20:28, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Put a little fur into the ears, and smudge it in? Looks good. c: You're not as hopeless as I am with light sources..trust me. x.x   19:55, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Smudging and the like on ears isn't mandatory and it's just become a bit of a style preference.

I think the ear pink could have some fur in it. 01:33, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

It's a style preference, as Cloudy stated above, so the earpink is fine ^^ Could you define the unshaded areas on the tail and legs? 03:36, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded -- I actually used brown for the shading, a color that's a few shades darker than the base. I played around with some things, hopefully it looks better now. If not, I'll probably redo the shading. If changes aren't showing. 20:04, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the tail and give the shading some more depth 05:24, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Where is your light source? If you want, feel free to ask for a shading image tut... <span style="">04:29 Sat Nov 16

Re-uploaded -- I just redid the shading, since the source I had was bothering me. Here are the changes. 11:48, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Earpink is way too neon, and the shading is a bit blotchy. <span style="">04:26 Wed Nov 20

Ear pink is the same as the other images. Which, They're fine on those; it's just how this ear pink is done.

Ok. But I just noticed the front leg closest to us's highlight is on the wrong side. <span style="">05:54 Wed Nov 20

Give the shading a bit more depth and smudge the pelt into the ear pink a bit more 23:00, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded -- Just realized I forgot the waste, and to move the leg highlight. I'll get those in the next reupload. 00:07, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Mmm, optional, but delete the shading between the shoulder and the forearm? It seems like between there they're kind of cut/dislocated in between? I'm horrible at explaining things but if you don't get it then don't worry about it. <span style="">05:24 Mon Nov 25

Speckletail (Q) ~ For Approval
If change aren't showing. Comments regarding the pattern would be appreciated, I know it's not right in some spots, but I'm not sure what I need to do to fix it. <span style="">20:12, 11/10/2013

The belly area looks a bit empty...maybe look at the loner, and fill in the empty spot with stripes that match those? 20:13, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The stripes are blurred kind of oddly to me, for example, in some places, it's blurred/smudged but in other areas, it is not. Might I suggest that you unblur the areas where you have done so, and then take the blur tool, put it on a very low setting, and go over the stripes that way? 20:24, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading stupid edit conflict Ivy xP   20:25, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think the stripes look fine, but possibly add more? Her original queen image had a lot more than this. -- 02:36, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

You really can't see the earpink, can you make it a bit more pink? Right now it's just brown. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 14:23, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Here. Definitely happier with the stripes now~ <span style="">21:44, 11/11/2013

She looks kinda cross-eyed, but that is only the >>> (the cat's left) pupil. This is amazing, Shimmer! <span style="">21:54 Mon Nov 11

The ear on our right still has no earpink. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 22:09, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Hawk! I honestly think both of those are fine though. The eyes if someone else agrees I can change I guess. I'd really prefer to leave the earpink how it is though- it's under the shading layer, and it's how I do all of my images. <span style="">22:30, 11/11/2013

I think the eyes are fine; I honestly think they're very pretty. -- 22:51, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the stripes a tad? 00:42, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Thicken the shading, especially on the belly.

I think the stripes don't mmatch the images very well, beyond the thickness. What you should aim for is kind of a classic tabby, but the stripes should be slightly smaller and have one mackerel stripe down the back. <span style="">04:03 Fri Nov 15

Darken the overall shading; I can't tell where the light's coming from 05:26, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">00:08, 11/18/2013

Make the stripes more squiggly/jaggedly, a tad bit like a classic tabby? <span style="">07:47 Tue Nov 19

Still working? 18:21, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded <span style="">21:36, 11/24/2013

Goldenflower (Star) - For Approval
I'm sorry the eyes don't have a lot of depth, I'll fix that when I get back. I really wanted to get this up before I lost it (and thank you Beebs for getting this for me). The tweak nomination hasn't passed yet, but Cloudy told me it'd be ok if I went ahead and went with her new colors. If the nomination somehow doesn't pass, it'll be easy for me to tweak it to her old colors. 21:56, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

What happened to her old colors? This looks more light brown than pale ginger.

Grayfeather 22:10, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

The colors are being changed, Grayfeather. It's intentional.

Make sure to add the nicked ear! ;) Warriorsoftheworld2468 (talk) 22:17, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, what happened to the ears? They seem like they're two colors. ._.  02:39, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

maybe make her a teeny bit more ginger? 04:27, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

They could be whiskers, Bright. 20:06, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

If she were to keep the wiskers there, actually, can you smudge it a tad more? <span style="">20:12 Mon Nov 11

Um...what do you mean by "whiskers"? That's ear pink. -- 01:34, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

They mean the fur inside of the ear. If it is fur inside the ear, make it longer and define each strand a bit more- it typically covers most of the ear, in long, defined strokes. Cinderpelt is a good example. 01:48, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

You shouls draw ginger fur and a torn on one ear. -Stealfog 19:02 GMT+8 China Nov.12th 2013

Please don't repeat what's already been said, Stealfog. ^^

Okay, thanks Rainy. But can you blur them more? They look like they're two colors. Perhaps Moonflower is a good example? -- 00:26, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 05:27, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am, as I have stated on the vacation page that I have work to deal with, and I would not reserve an image if I could not see it through to completion. That is ear fur that is in the ear, that is why it is "two different colors". I had not had time to perfect it. I thought she wouldn't get a nicked ear, because all is healed in StarClan? And also, Kelpsey, sorry, but I'd prefer it if you didn't use female pronouns for me (I know I shouldn't probably put this here, but)  23:21, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

No, StarClan doesn't heal nicked ears. Smallear is a good example. StarClan would heal something like Cinderpelt's smashed leg. Warriorsoftheworld2468 (talk) 23:35, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Sorry, I'm having some small trouble with the actual fur texture itself. Do you like the new color? More golden, but also still passable for bracken? 16:51, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Tbh, I liked the other color better, this color looks a little green, same with the queen as well. The chest is a little flat, and the eyes could use a little more depth. This looks amazing, good job! <span style="">18:22 Sat Nov 16

Reuploaded Made the stripes lean more towards orange, and made the base pelt closer to a golden-creamy color. I do think this color is closer to what it should be. 19:22, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Her facial shading is a bit flat. 22:59, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

 I redone them.Do you think they are good,if you are not,please delete my picture Stealfog (talk) 09:21, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Stealfog, Ivy is currently working on this, and at the moment a redo is unnecessary, as you can simply ask her to alter the image if needed. Please don't try to redo an image while another user is still working on getting it approved, and/or without an approved redo nomination. 12:29, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

What about a color smiliar this? -- <span style="">20:43 Thu Nov 21

She has to be more Ginger, she looks like a mud-peaty brownish now. <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:21, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded  06:30, November 22, 2013 (UTC) Good,that's better with the peaty brownish issue. <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:36, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Darkflower (Q) ~ For Approval
Dem eyes OwO. Comment away ~

Yeah, first one to comment on Dark's image~! Maybe blur the ear pink more? 21:29, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

I think the earpink's fine. I love the eyes, Stoney! <span style="">21:55 Mon Nov 11

Define the shading a little. dem eyes owo 01:46, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Could you perhaps smudge the earpink a bit? Sorry if this is like Brightpool's request, but I just thought it could help. Other than that, she's lovely~  03:24, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I think the shading's fine though

Oh damn that was like a blue jewel in her eyes,you made it so bravel!-23:14 GMT+8 Stealfog (talk) 15:14, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Steal, that comment ^^^ wasn't constructive criticism, if you have compliments/questions about an image you should take it to their talk page. I do agree with you, dat face doe <span style="">04:31 Sat Nov 16

I do apologize, but I have to keep tilting my screen and squinting my eyes to be able to see the image. Is there any chance of you slightly lightening the base pelt and slightly lightening the shading a little bit, so we can see the lineart? 17:46, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpening the shading would also help add contrast a bit more between the darker areas and the lighter sections, of which I can't tell between without tilting my screen. 21:05, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 22:58, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm...the shading needs to be a bit sharpened and the black needs to be adjusted so we can see left spray of whiskers a bit more. The eyes are...wowzas popping ^^ <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:27, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded I lightened it up and sharpened the shading a tad but if I do so anymore it's just going to look more gray and kinda odd. And Swan, there's no need to repeat what others have already said when commenting on an image.

Maybe darken the shading a tiny bit, and sharpening it a bit more? There's very little visible contrast at the moment. 01:02, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Splashnose(Q) - Withdrawn
Well, I'm out of practice. Comments? 00:12, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

It looks beautiful, Duck! Don't drag yourself down, it's way better than I can pull when I'm out of practice. Well, not sure if this is part of the tabby markings, but there is a straight line running up the tail. If it's meant to be there, then it may stay. If not, I'd prefer for it to flow with the rest of the marks. Great job. 00:44, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

It's supposed to be like one of those spine-stripe things, but I'll remove it if more people want me to. x3 Thanks! 00:51, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Just realized that I forgot about the nose, I'll add it next upload. 01:41, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Could you blur or smudge the stripes a bit, and maybe make this more of a dusky brown? (Not sure if dusky means to lighten it or desaturate it, but I can double-check.) 01:45, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the tail shading a tad? 03:16, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Leggo, dusky is sort of the same as foggy, cloudy-darkish..sort of in that range..But look it up just in case. And you're welcome, Duck. x3  03:50, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

When I googled it, the hex code I got was #875D48, if that helps at all..it's not dark, and is a lighter, grayish brown..which I assume you meant by "cloudy"? 05:26, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

I think the coloring she had on her previous image was okay... maybe just go back to using that?

Actually, I thought she was dusty brown? Also, she needs a white streak on her muzzle. 19:31, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Dusty and dusky are virtually the same thing. 00:52, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Center the main tail stripe. Lookin goooodd <span style="">03:12 Fri Nov 15

Still working?

Re-uploaded I played with the base color a bit, idk if it's dusty but I'll change it if you want to. 03:23, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Are the changes showing? 01:21, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Idk honestly I think you didn't change the color much, just made it a little greenish. You forgot to center the tail stripe :(( <span style="">07:46 Tue Nov 19

The changes are showing for me, I think that the tailstripe's fine (I thought I said that up there but I must have forgotten) and I did change the color by playing with the RGB levels, but like I said, idk if it's still not dusty and I'll gladly change it again if people want me too. 12:58, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well she did ask about the tailstripe after you said it was fine. I agree with her, although I don't think it's too far off to make much of a visible difference, so I think in this case, it's really your choice. As for the color, would it be too much of a problem to shift slightly more towards the previous image's coloring for the base? I think the stripes are okay, but the base color is what makes it appear greenish. Brown cats are horrible to work with no matter the color.

Wow! Duck, I couldnt do this even if StarClan came down and begged me. Tail shading needs refining. <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  06:32, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Refining Is a very vague term imho, but I do think the shading needs espansion there <span style="">20:19 Sat Nov 23

I'm withdrawing this as I don't really have the time or willpower to do charart right now. 05:24, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to take over. <span style="">08:52 Sun Nov 24

Owl Eyes (Ki) ~ For Approval
To da. <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">18:33 Tue Nov 12

Define the eye depth. 19:32, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

His nose looks too pale pink for a gray cat. 12:14, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Reups! Little Owley <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">16:49 Sun Nov 17

Make the earpink fill more of the ear? <span style="">07:44 Tue Nov 19

I think it's fine, as I do earpink like that. <span style="">15:46 Tue Nov 19

Blur the ear-pink 22:57, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

The tufts of fur in the ear need to be spread out a bit, so you can see more of the individual hairs rather than a giant mass. Just take a 1 px smudge tool and in a few spots just smudge the earpink in a downwards motion here or there, and that should do the trick rather quickly. 03:28, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 18:07, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Pinestar (Alt Star) - For Approval
Here's my Pinestar c:. Comments? HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 18:31, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

The shadings looking flat, so blur that, and add the scars on his muzzle, as I don't believe he was mentioned without them. <span style="background:-webkit-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -o-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -ms-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%);background: -moz-linear-gradient(left, orange 50%, black 50%); border:4px dashed; color: black; padding:2px; border-radius:5px;border-top-right-radius:100px 100px; border-top-left-radius:100px 100px;font-size:11px;color: #FF6600;">   Ѽ    A M B E R    Ѽ     P  U  M  P  K  I  N   V  S   O  R  E  O  <span style="">18:34 Thu Nov 14

If this is his ginger alt, he'll need tabby markings. -- <span style="">19:00 Thu Nov 14

Withdrawn, dropping out of Project Charart. HeadmasterGriffin (talk) 19:37, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

May I take over? 23:45, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Don't bother asking- just reserve it and swipe it home, Dazzle :) Make her prettyy ;3 <span style="">03:22 Fri Nov 15

Uploaded. ew I haven't done tabbies since forever. 13:25, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

I like this clean and no hurt pinestar!-stealfog 23:01 gmt+8 China Nov.15th Stealfog (talk) 15:03, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Make the stripes less paintbrushy. <span style="">21:45 Fri Nov 15

How about darkening/defining the stripes a bit? 22:42, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Define "paintbrushy". Also, Stealfog, please don't comment if you're not going to critique. 00:09, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Here, to make things easier, I mean sharpen the tips of the stripes. Paintbrushy would mean that they are too round, resembling stripes that are just painted on. <span style="">0:22 Sat Nov 16

Reuploaded. 02:54, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Add a wee bit of depth to the eyes? 11:03, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the definition between fur and earpink  17:41, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. 09:39, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the shading on the neck/head area? <span style="">02:17 Mon Nov 18

Reuploaded. 09:42, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

CBA?

Sorry to interrupt, but ad more shading in the paws? <span style="">03:08 Thu Nov 21

Define shading on the head, or add some if there isn't. -- <span style="">07:35 Thu Nov 21

Reuploaded. 12:19, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the forelegs shading a bit? 00:08, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the tail? <span style="">15:42 Sun Nov 24

Sasha (Queen) - For Approval
Might as well put this up now. Comments? if changes aren't showing -Feather 11:45, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Removed some waste. -Feather 11:48, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading? 14:16, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded.  -Feather''' 14:58, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Could you add another layer of shading underneath the one you have? Blur that layer of shading more, so you can create a seamless gradient, but the layer on top will create the harsher shadows needed. 17:37, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Also, switch the light source on her closest hind leg. That way, it can match the rest of the light source. 23:03, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Beebs ouo -Feather 13:08, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

re-uploaded there was waste -Feather 13:35, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a bit cross-eyed. 03:25, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Look better? -Feather 11:57, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Your light source doesn't make any sense. The easiest way to fix this would to be to switch the shading on the hind leg closest to us so that the light is coming from in front rather than behind, and switch the shading on the face to do the same, as the rest of the body's lighting suggests that. 01:20, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I really don't understand what you mean. I'm sorry.. -Feather 18:55, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight on the hind legs need to be switched to the other side of the leg, and the face's highlight needs to be on our right, instead of to the left. 23:47, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Give the shading some more depth 02:17, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. -Feather 12:22, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Goldenflower (Queen) - For Approval
Goldie's new queen image. She was fun, and the fur texture was easier to accomplish on this one. Also, if you are able to vote on her images, I would appreciate it if you could take a look so I can either tweak all of her images to match these ones, or tweak the queen and SC image to match her other images while they're up. Of course you don't have to though, all I want is for them to match :) 17:36, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded Tweaked colors, as per the critique on the StarClanner 19:23, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, this is my first approval comment. There seems to be a lighter stripe on the tail (if you don't understand that clearly, I could show you with a link) and be any chance, could you make the stripes more visible? Nicely done~  19:26, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded The white stripe on her tail is actually supposed to be there, it's on the StarClanner as well! However, if more people agree with you that it shouldn't be there, then I will remove it with no problem. I'll see what I can do with the stripes, it's kind of difficult for me to find a good color palette to work with, and I'll fiddle with it and see what I can do. You did fine for your first approval comment, thank you! 19:51, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe add a couple more of the white stripes on her tail? 23:02, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

There's something about the stripes that just don't fit with the round sculpt of her belly. Otherwise, this is freaking amazing may I steal her? <span style="">06:36 Mon Nov 18

Just darken or define your shading a wee bit? 16:11, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Still working? 02:16, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded, and I know I sound like a broken record, but I am working and cannot get to these every single day, but I do intend to see them through to completion. I know you have to ask, but  06:06, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

She looks a tad green 16:22, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Poolcloud (Q) ~ For Approval
Not bad for my first gray and white. Comments? Look here for changes. 13:10, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Can you blur the patches and the ear pink more? 15:01, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. 16:58, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

The white is extremely gray.

Reups  17:38, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Still too gray, imho. Like, there are some parts that I have to squint to see the white and gray splitting apart.

Try tinting your shading to a blue-gray or something, that should do it. <span style="">22:45 Sun Nov 17

Reups 22:57, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe use pure-white instead of off-white? I think that'd also help it make the white whiter. 00:42, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

To back up what Beebs said, using pure white would help tons. You're allowed to use pure white, and there's nothing that says you can't. ^^

Reups this is so much better 08:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Just a note, you can always use off-white for white cats and make it not look gray if you don't overblur your shading. The gray affect with darker shading is only given because one can't see the edges of the shading very well, or it isn't well-defined enough. Anyways, sharpen your shading, especially along her front legs and chest, and add a bit more structure to her facial shading, where cheekbones, the bridge of her noze, muzzle, etc., would cause more highlights to be defined than others. (I can help you with this if you need it, like I said on Robin's queen) 05:07, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

A face shading placement would be great 15:43, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

This should help a bit, I hope? 00:37, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reups thank you and voila 14:14, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

The white needs to be more white, but other than that, awesome Sorrel! <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  08:48, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but it's pure white; but do you mean make it more white where there's shading on it? 10:32, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Robinwing (Q) ~ For Approval
See here for changes - comments? 17:39, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

The ginger part is quite hard to see. Can you maybe lighten the shading there? I wanted this one >:D <span style="">19:04 Sun Nov 17

Reups sowry 19:12, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

I can barely tell there's ginger. 03:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 08:28, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see the ear pink. -- 01:48, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Reups 20:05, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps add a little structure to her facial shading? It looks like you just went around the lower portion of her face, but I've seen your work on other wikis and I know you could try this. Cats have cheekbones, raised bridges of their noses, etc, which would cause the shadows to lie differently. (If you'd like an example of where to lay shadows and whatnot I can help.) 05:03, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

A shading placement would be lovely. 15:36, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

I linked it on the queen above ^-^ 00:38, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Reups thank you 14:03, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

The right eye looks a little weird being shaded over like that..it looks like shes crazy and her eye is twitching xD Maybe bring down the eye shading, so it doesn't look like that? Lookin' great. c: 03:10, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Erm, that's just the eye colour. 16:19, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Switch the highlight to the other side on the hind leg not closer to us. Umm, Frosty? <span style="">20:25 Sat Nov 23

Um, there actually isn't a highlight of that leg. 12:56, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

There'd be a highlight on the front half of that leg. 15:54, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reups changes may not be showing 16:20, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Nutmeg (Ro) (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? She was very fun to make 19:35, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

The white is extremely gray... lighten it up, please?

Re-up 19:56, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

It's still really gray. 03:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Sharpen the shading a bit. 04:18, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I think the shading is fine, and Duck, if I lighten the shading anymore, it'll look too flat. 19:25, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

He didn't say anything about the shading; he was talking about the white, I think. I'm gonna agree with both him and Leggo on this one. Are you shading on one layer or multiple? Because the shading on everything else but the white is just fine, imho.

I'm shading with two layers - one for added depth -  as usual. 20:00, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I honestly think you're gonna have to try something a little different for this one, because she looks way too gray. With both this and the rouge, I really can't tell she's tortie and white at all.

re-up split the shading up into two layers. I can't add any more depth to the white, though, as it'll look gray if I do. 21:13, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

re-up did something with the tum shading 21:42, November 18, 2013 (UTC)f

I think the white looks really gray still; very nice! (I think I say "very nice" on all of my comments on tortie and white cats, I don't know why, they look so pretty). 23:52, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I cannot lighten the shading on the white anymore. If I do, it'll look flat, but if I define or darken it more, it'll be too dark. 23:56, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Define typically means to sharpen the shading, as one cannot tell between it and the highlights. Sharpen your shading, and you will get better results, and the darkness on the white will not be an issue. This image is horribly gray right now, and it needs to be fixed. 01:18, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

re-up thank you so much man 01:54, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

re-up sharpened facial shading. 02:08, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Could you define the ear pink a bit? She looks much better now, Beebs!

re-up 19:24, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading just a little bit along her back and tail, and I think this will be ready for a CBA. 05:02, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

re-up 19:32, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Define the light on the face and tail a touch more 02:15, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, unless someone else agrees to - the color is what causes it, and I can't do anything to the tail due to how the tail is smudged. 02:23, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Agreeing with Scar. o3o  03:11, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

re-up again, can't do anything for the tail, since its smudging is what causes it, and I can't do anything about it, since it needs to match the rogue. 19:22, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

What color are her eyes? It looks like it's clear, but I can't seem to figure it out. Just wondering. o3o  23:41, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Her eyes are green - the same color as the rogue. 23:51, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Her chest still looks a bit too gray. Could you lighten it up? 02:34, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

The front leg is like that too. ^^

I think both are fine, since it's due to the depth - if I remove that, then it'd be flat ouo 20:49, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Softwing (Q) ~ For Approval
I can't make the shasing darker or it'll be gray. I used another layer for the shading on the patches. Changes are here. Comments? <span style="">20:42 Sun Nov 17

I'd suggest putting more tabby patches on her side. I know this is a different side than the other images, but white patterns are usually roughly symmetrical, and with that in mind, she currently looks like a totally different cat from this side.

Re-uploaded. <span style="">22:04 Mon Nov 18

Define the shading, whether you darken it or sharpen it or do a combination of both- I can't tell where it is on the face, the legs, or where it's coming from anywhere save for her tail. If you choose to darken it, which is a good route, try sharpening the edges, as well. It only looks too gray once darkened if your shading is overblurred. 05:01, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Re-did the shading, and now it is tinted. I don't want to hear that is is too gray or that it needs blurring. <span style="">21:55 Wed Nov 20

Where's your light source coming from? 00:28, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

It should be coming from the left. <span style="">1:07 Thu Nov 21

Source is fine imho. Great work!❤❤ <span style="">03:06 Thu Nov 21

If it's coming from the left than the left side of her belly that we can see wouldn't be in shadow, and there would be a little heavier shading on the right half. (Hawk Swoop is sort of what I'm talking about, but you'd have more highlights on her face from the complete left side, and not a little bit more behind her, like I had it.) 03:24, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Better? <span style="">0:05 Fri Nov 22

Blur that little piece of shading at the top of her very back leg (the one closest to us). Looks purrrrfect~ (cat puns aw yis)  02:31, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Rainflower (Q) - For Approval
ok. <span style="">02:15 Mon Nov 18

I think it's beautiful! Can you change the nose to pink like in the StarClan image?

I don't think the nose is supposed to be filled in on these blanks?

Oops, my bad. I'm new to these charart things XD

Sharpen the shading on her forelegs a little. This looks fabulous .o. 03:59, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see any highlight on her hind legs.. <span style="">07:39 Tue Nov 19

Highlights are not mandatory on images. Perhaps suggest an alternative, since I'm not entirely sure Splook uses highlights.

Maybe smudge the earpink a little since she's longhaired? 08:55, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

She needs a highlight on her hind legs, if your light's coming from this angle. At least along the right side (our right) of her foot. (By highlights always assume I mean the lighter areas, whether you use highlights or not.) 04:59, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Can you change the position of the eye pupils? Like, maybe in the middle like most images are? -- 23:05, November 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * The pupils are the artist's choice, unless they're crooked or whatever. These are alright. 23:44, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, pink nose please. Anyway, its awesome. :D <span style="padding: 0px 5px 0px 5px; border: Dotted 2px #EB234E; background: #0A7AFA; -moz-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; -webkit-border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em; border-radius: 0em 0em 0em 0em;"> *Swanflutter*  Warriors is my life~  08:50, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Queens don't have filled noses. Btw please use a user subpage instead of a block of text for your sig <span style="">19:50 Sat Nov 23

Smudge the pelt into the ear pink. -- 15:58, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Reuploaded. <span style="">22:51 Sun Nov 24

Define the unshaded parts just a bit? 02:25, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Could you darken and define the shading juuuust a bit?

Palebird (Q) ~ For Approval
I hate the method I used to make this cat I am glad it's the last bloody image 02:42, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Can you sharpen the shading? I like texturey pelts! c:  23:54, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is fine, imho. Wonderful work, Skt!~ <span style="">0:06 Tue Nov 19

Could you thicken/add more shading? She seems a bit flat. 03:56, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I hate this cat 04:10, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

No man this is super pretty. Just add a line of shading along her shoulder that curves a little with the right side of her belly and I think this is fine. 03:22, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. weeeh 04:02, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the lighter texture part on the black splotch on her belly just a bit  02:29, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Darkflower (E) ~ For Approval
She is said to be an elder in The Ultimate Guide, so she gets this. All colors from the StarClanner. Comments? 23:16, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I can't see your light source. Those eyes... *.* <span style="">0:04 Tue Nov 19

Oh, it's the same as Rosetail's elder, so it's coming from the front. 00:07, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

If it's coming from the front, then there'd be a line of shading along her back, and the entire right side of her haunch would be in light. 03:58, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea then - she has Rosetail's and Frostfur's elder light source, so that's where it's coming from ouo. 19:21, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Just because earlier images have it doesn't always mean it's the correct thing to do. Save yourself a nomination for a tweak later and create a proper light source now. :l 02:22, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

After looking back at it, I think her light source comes from a much upper right-hand corner. The light would be high enough to light the haunch, shoulder area, and face, but further right enough to make sense ouo 02:25, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

More of the back would be in shadow as you have to take her whole head into account, and that would cast a shadow behind her. The spot directly behind her head and neck is her back, so you would be required to place a shadow right there. The muzzle needs more shading under it, along the chin and jawline more, and the ear's shading would have to be tweaked to show that it's coming from more of an above angle than straight in front. The haunch would still have a bit more lighter areas along its right side. There is no plausible way your light source can work the way your shading is currently placed.

If you wish to go through a tweak nomination later on and work on this again, be my guest to proceed, but if you'd like to save both yourself and the project some time, it's much easier to get this done right now. Your choice. 04:50, Novem -- 23:38, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

The highlight on the haunch needs to be dropped lower on the right side, and the shading along the rump raise dup higher, onto her mid-back. The shading to the left of her neck, along her back, needs to be extended out, too, and will likely also reach her mid-back. There should be a tiny highlight on her chest, right where it really curves out, And more of her tail-tip would be in light, as well, while the shadow by her rump would be extended to the right a bit more (still along the tail). And I've seen your work before, so I know you can do this, so add a bit more depth to the shading on her face- show that this cat has cheekbones and that her face isn't completely round. The shading between her foreleg and haunch closest to us, that covers the tiny stretch of exposed side, too, seems awfully square, although that will likely be fixed when you adjust the light spot on the haunch. 03:21, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

re-up this is what you meant, right? 20:20, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Could you give an ezimba link? 23:44, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

re-up thank you so much for the help man 00:12, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

re-up fixed some things up 01:13, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Smudge the pelt into the ear pink. *loves those eyes* -- 23:38, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's fine, as I think it's smudged enough (and I blur it, too, so it doesn't look too smudged) but if anyone disagrees, I'll smudge + blur some more. 23:58, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

cbaers anybody? 02:28, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Ahhh, I do apologize, but could you darken her base a few shades? It shouldn't need anymore than that... She seems a teeny bit lighter than the StarClan image, but not a whole lot... Do not compare her to the warrior; I need to fix that image x.x After that, I'll reinstate the CBA.

Skye, I colorpicked from the StarClanner, so it should be the same base coat ouo 20:54, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Mistystar (Alt. Q) - Withdrawing
Glitter's first charart! I stink at it, right? Comment away, anyways... -- 01:01, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

I changed the heading for you, assuming this is her dark gray queen alt. Darken the shading a bit more, smudge the pelt into the earpink, and define the depth in the eyes 01:04, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

'''Re-uploaded. ''' 02:23, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the edges of the shading more. 03:15, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Define the eye depth. <span style="">19:02 Thu Nov 21

Okay, the reason my eye depth and shading stink is because I don't have the shading or eye placement. For all the other chararts I make (that don't have queen blanks) I usually look on the apprentice tutorials, but they don't have it on there. So...could someone send me the shading and eye placement please? c: -- 22:01, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

I made one for Sorrel to use as a reference up above, on Poolcloud's queen. You could look at that for an idea of where to place it. 23:42, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Ohmygawd, thx so much Leggy -- 02:32, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

The shading is quite flat, so I cant see it too well. <span style="">06:18 Sat Nov 23

Re-uploaded Ugh, I can't shade on this cat... -- 23:05, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Define the shading on the legs and tail? 02:23, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I can't do this. I can't do the shading that well, and I have school and homework. Can someone take this please? -- 23:43, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Tallstar (De) - For Approval
Comments? -- <span style="">07:43 Thu Nov 21

Lengthen the tail a bit, since he was named for it. Also the and haunch shoulder spot on the warrior is smaller than it is here. Awesome image though. 16:00, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

re-ups -- <span style="">20:18 Thu Nov 21

Hmmm, could just be me but the texture seems to fade near the back. Probably just me though. <font color="#33A1DE" face="Century Gothic" size="2"> •Wanty• <font color="#99A3AE" face="flat brush" size="2">That's fine too! 00:59, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

No, it's not just you, but she probably did that on purpose, it's part of creating the texture. <span style="">05:29 Mon Nov 25

I think it's fine, because if I play around with it, the image will look too dark. -- <span style="">19:20 Mon Nov 25

Lightningtail (D) ~ For Approval
hi

Maybe enlarge the earpink the slightest? Those eyes are amazing! *.* <span style="">17:59 Fri Nov 22

Re-uploaded and I hate ear pink. ouo Thank youuu. 8D

Sharpen the edges of the shading a little more, or lighten the base a smidge. I can't see any contrast without tilting my screen. :c 05:44, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. I quite like the shading and I'd rather not touch it so I played with the base.

Oooh I love it. c: The texture in the center seems to be too close together, and begins to blotch. 22:03, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Why would it all need to be the same distance from each other? On a real cat, it bunches together all the time, and I don't quite get where you're coming from. I honestly think it looks fine.

Frosty, it "bunches up" so it makes it seem like part of the shading. That's what makes it actually create the illusion of texture. It's perfectly fine and I quite like it like that c: <span style="">05:07 Mon Nov 25

Leafstar's Mother (Queen) ~ For Approval
Something is just... Not here. Not sure what, can someone pinpoint it? <span style="">00:59 Sun Nov 24

Reuploaded I tried thinning the stripes but it still looks weird someone help me plsplspls <span style="">02:07 Sun Nov 24

Lighten her base a bit more. Amazing, as always~! <span style="">2:50 Sun Nov 24

Also shift it so it's a little more cream-ish? Maybe asking Paleh for the file so you can get the colors might be a little easier...

Brightflower (Q) - For Approval
...I must've been crazy when I decided to give her tail stripes like that...
 * groans* I took the lineart for the face from her alternate queen image, so it should match. All the colors are from her warrior and old queen images. Changes are here. Comments?  05:14, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Could you add more dark ginger stripes on her, and make them a tad thinner? 02:21, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Changes 01:58, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

River (Ki) ~ For Approval
My little River <3 All colors are from the StarClan image. Comment away~ 21:58, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading, and he needs to be longhaired. Would you also mind adding some neck shading? It looks kinda sourceless without it. The colors don't quite match either, but I think that's because the shading is tinted on his other images, so try that?

hes gotta be tabby 22:03, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

I have a pattern for the tabby by the way - I can email the .xcf of it too you, if you want o3o 22:06, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Lol, sorry 'bout that Cloudy~ I tried it. And yeah sure, Beebs, that'd be great. My email is darkfrosty.frosty@gmail.com c: 22:17, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

sent~ hope you have an easy time matching the pattern 22:54, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Define your shading, it's looking flat 18:08, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Darken the shading too.

Cloud (Storm) (KM) ~ For Approval
I tried. I really don't like mud tho. .-.

Neither do I.. c; She looks purrty! Define the shading on all the legs, please. 01:31, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Hawkfoot (Q) ~ For Approval
Comments? -- <span style="">08:34 Mon Nov 25

Cinderfur (Star) ~ Under Evaluation
Hi this is my cinderfur starclan art i am new so bare with

--Velvetmoon (talk) 21:14, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

I apologise, but Shoon has this reserved - this should be declined. 21:58, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no, they're fine. My reservation ran out a long time ago, I just forgot to remove it. 23:43, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the project! But first of all, your image must be named "Cinderfur.star.png," not jpg. Also, there is a background, and there should be none: the background must be transparent. Also, the lineart is choppy in some places, and misplaced/missing. And also, please place the image on the left side, but don't align it. If none of this made sense, comment here again, or on my talk page. c: Keep up the good work, Velvetmoon. 01:26, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Your image it too small, it's not the same size as the other StarClan images. You probably just saved it right off of the Project:Charart page (or maybe another way- either way you should try it like this), so you need to go and just click on the image on the PCA page. Then a box should pop up; in the top left corner there should be something that says "StarClanMaleShort.png", click on that and then save the image that shows up on that screen. You should be able to open it full-sized then! For the image itself I think I can see some shading on it, but it needs to be defined quite a bit. The eye depth should also be defined a bit. <span style="">02:32, 11/26/2013

Graypool (Q) ~ For Approval
I love dem longhairs All colors from the warrior. Comments? <span style="">22:11 Mon Nov 25

Nettle (Ro) ~ Under Evaluation
Hi this is my second time posting this time for nettle the rouge the eye colour is not cannon. --Velvetmoon (talk) 23:36, November 25, 2013 (UTC)

Gorsetail (P3) (Q) ~ For Approval
I actually picked the stupidest most complicated stripe pattern out jesus 02:35, November 26, 2013 (UTC)