Forum:Tortoiseshells + Calicos Vote

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This forum will consist of a vote on whether or not to redo tortoiseshells with a large amount of white to coexist with the definition of tortoiseshells.

Place your vote underneath supporting if you are in support of redoing chararts that do not match the description of tortoiseshell. Place your vote underneath against if you are not in support. If you choose to abstain, place your vote under the abstaining section.

Herein lies the vote to redo tortoiseshell cats that look more calico than tortoiseshell. See here for the discussion.

In order to vote, use {{voteyay}} underneath suporting, {{votenay}} underneath Against, and {{dontvote}} underneath abstain.

Remember to keep this vote as friendly as possible. Refrain from lashing out on other users and if you have a problem, please take it up with one of the PCA leads or try to work it among yourselves. Remember that community consensus is key.

Voting will end on October 23rd. Appledash ^{the light of honor} 19:31, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Support

User:Winterflurry/Sig 19:32, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

finally Storm^♫ 19:33, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Sziri ^{the goat sails away ツ} 19:45, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

I did my own little research and I agree. Some of the tortoiseshell's we have are more calico than anything else.Stealthf🔥re ^{❤Warriors Forever!❤} 21:00, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

As I said in the discussion it is an assumption to say that they have white. bcprincess ^{a giant woman} 21:47, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

No, this isn't about realism. This isn't even about if Warrior series is "unrealistic" or not. Adding white to tortoiseshells is a pure assumption. Our wiki shouldn't be presenting things/images with the wrong info. And please don't pull out the "ya just all just want to redo images" excuse because that is untrue- there's no point in just fingering at people because you think they are doing this out of greed, which is actually pretty uncalled for. TL;DR, white on tortoiseshells are assumptions. User:Burntclaw/Sig 02:39, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

If we're going to allow tortoiseshells to have white on them without it being described, then any image can have white on it. Tortoiseshells without white happen frequently; white is not a part of their patterning, just like white isn't a part of a black cat's "patterning". If this vote fails, then anybody can add white to their images, as the exact same argument can be used. Rainlegs 19:28, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

{{SUBST:User:Geopaw/Sig}} 02:58, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

I'm very sad to say this, :( but it's an assumption to say that there is white, much like any other color. - Fox ^{僕たちはひとつの光} 03:13,10/18/2015

I have to agree with everyone ^. As much as I hate to say this, it's an assumption to add white onto tortoiseshell cats that aren't described with any. I'm not sure if I can vote :x ~ Blossomstream^{The War Is Over} 06:47, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

agreeing with what's been said. ~☯ Breeze ^{Five Nights at Freddys} 22:45, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

This'll probably be striked out, but I can't seem to find the rules on voting, so I figured I'd vote just in case I'm eligible. White markings are an assumption when they weren't described. The tortie pattern shouldn't even be part of thise debate, if they're allowed on torties, they're allowed on everything else. I'm sure there'd be plenty of arguments made if someone tried to put white markings on say, graystripe. Assumptions are assumptions no matter the pattern, and right now tortie has a double standard. It's not violating pca's policies on assumptions, it's violating the whole wiki's policy. It's honestly not even that hard of an a tweak either, especially for the images whose layers are still available. Significantly larger mass-tweaks have been made, and for more minor reasons. This is a pretty major thing, the amount of images that would need to be edited shouldn't matter. Paleh Send help 17:57,10/21/2015

 Agreeing. This is not so much about realism as it is about assuming these cats have white. Bluestar ^{Leaf flying in the wind} 19:10, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

The reason I think we shouldn't be allowed to add white to a tortie if it isn't described as having white on it's pelt in the book, is because we don't allow it with any other coat type. If a cat is described as tabby in the book, we aren't allowed to add any white to it unless it is specifically described to have white on it in the text. Same with solid-colored cats, or patched cats, or flecked cats, or what have you. If we aren't allowed to add white to those without it being confirmed, why is it allowed for tortoiseshells? There's been a distinct mention of tortoiseshell cats, and tortoiseshell-and-white cats in the books, just like there's tabbies and tabbies-and-white, so I'd say it's pretty clear the text consider them different. Jayie ^{Unwritten words~} 19:30, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

I love tortoiseshells.

Against

david ^🌈 19:31, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

what's the point? It's unnecessary, and torties can have white. We're being way too realistic, and it's ridiculous. ❄Sorrel _{It's everything I dreamed} 19:35, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

❀ mei ❀ ^GOGOBEBE 20:04, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

I understand that adding white is an assumption, but I really don't think it's necessary to redo these images. —Ivy ☆ 21:07, October 16, 2015

(UTC)

No, I think that this is ridiculous! Not all torties are a brownish,blackish mix, I've seen some torties that were white, almost like Sorreltail. This is a book about fictional cats that could speak and live the normal lives like humans do. Shine like the Sun ^{Stars in the Sky}

No. No. No. Not only do I personally view this as an excuse to redo more images (which, if I recall correctly, we have plenty to redo as is), but I view this as being far too nitpicky. Heaven forbid that artists have their own imagination! Nachtide ^{The Wikian Squad}

No. Since when was PCA about realism? I agree with Nach. It's far too nitpicky. When I joined PCA, I thought it was about expressing creativity, and having fun with making art, and improving. Not about realism. Who cares if a tortoiseshell is/has white? It's the artist's idea! I'm sorry for seeming blunt, but redoing these images just because of realism is basically going to get rid of all the hard work that the original artist put into their arts. ~Skiddley Riddley ^{♫ ♪}

Go ahead and cross out my vote if people not in PCA are allowed to vote but i think that its not fair to redo these images all because of realism. Cant people be creative? i would hate to see all of the already approved tortoiseshell images with white in them be redone all because of a simple realism issue. Pal124 (talk) 02:05, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Just no. There's no need to redo so many beautiful images because of realism. Besides, tortoiseshells do have white on them anyways. --Dewsplash (talk) 02:41, October 17, 2015 (UTC)Dewsplash, 02:41, October, 17, 2015

"we need more realism" says the wiki about a series with talking, 'mottled white' cats ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 06:08 Sat Oct 17

the images are fine. Shinxy used Thunderbolt! 09:21, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

no Poopoohelicopter123 (talk) 19:58, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Neutral

I still stand by the fact that I honestly believe that these images are fine as they are, but I do realize that there is a bit of an assumption in adding the amount of white. I'll stand with whatever the rest of you decide, though. —Jayce(19:31, 10/16/2015)

I'm fine with both outcomes, however I do lean more to the "no" side. I do want to stay neutral, though. Appledash ^{the light of honor} 19:33, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

i'm what you would call 'old school' and would like the images to have white in them, but i'll go with whatever the consensus may be. Splook ^{sweet  creature} 19:34 Fri Oct 16

—.neha ^{it's that gloom boy season.} 19:52, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Queen Beebs 20:15, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

reconsidered(: ROO 22:01, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with both outcomes so ~ Cheryl _Champagne ^Problems 🍷 (02:02,10/17/2015)

Being a biology (zoology/wildlife track) major, I am able to see where this is coming from in respect to genetic/technical terms. But the same goes for assuming that a tortoiseshell character doesn't have white; it's still an assumption, as many tortoiseshells do have varying amounts of white on them. I'll go with whatever is decided, despite leaning more toward no. Sun ^{Man, that man is nonstop♣}• 00:51, October 18, 2015 (UTC)

Comments

I don't know if you guys are or not, but I encourage you to look at the comment Kate left us on her view between torts and tort-and-white cats. Also this picture on the bottom of it, shows the difference as well. The one on the far left is tort, the next one is still tort, but the one after that is considered a calico, as seen in the picture to the right above. User:Winterflurry/Sig 23:08, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Conclusion

With 14 votes supporting, 12 votes against and 8 votes abstain, all tortoiseshells with excessive amounts of white shall be redone/tweaked accordingly due to community consensus. User:Burntclaw/Sig 01:47, October 23, 2015 (UTC)