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So, I just reserved Pine That Clings to Rock (I made sure it wasn't taken first). And, he's described as a light brown tom. But there's no eye color decription. Is there an auto-default color you use for cats with unknown eye colors? ℳąφℓ₠ƒя☼ş₮❣ ツ 00:35, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
No. If an eye-color is unknown, it's artist's choice until it's revealed.ScarletwindStep into theLight 00:37, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
But for kits we usually go with blue. -❄ſceheart ♥ Blah blah 00:40, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
M'kay thanks :) I understand that, since all kit's eyes are blue for a few months anyway. (In real life) ℳąφℓ₠ƒя☼ş₮❣ ツ 00:47, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we should be encouraging artists to use blue, because warriors doesn't really care about realism. Gray cats with white patches? Ginger and brown patched cats? Mossy ♫ go away. 03:32, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I own a cat that is gray with white patches, and have a friend with a ginger and brown tomcat. What do you suggest? Do you have a better idea? Perhaps proof of Pine-TCtR's eye color? ℳąφℓ₠ƒя☼ş₮❣ ツ 06:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
No offense but I don't believe you. That really just doesn't happen . . . and what about all the cats with blue eyes, and the tortie toms? Mossy ♫ go away. 06:51, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Ginger and brown happens, it's called mottled, I think. click. Grey with white spots, no. However, grey with white paws/nose/tail? Pretty common. Darkhallows...Mew? 09:46, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
That picture just looks like an orange-ish brown tabby to me . . . but either way, they Erins couldn't care less about how natural the colourations they chose for the cats are. Mossy ♫ go away. 17:56, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Whatever, I don't really care if you believe me or not. You could argue that my cat is mottled gray and white, but whatever. Again, I state my question; do you have a better idea? A reason why I should make Pine's eyes green or amber or yellow? ℳąφℓ₠ƒя☼ş₮❣ ツ 18:02, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I don't care if you lie to me about your cat's colouration or not, make his eyes blue if you want. I was just saying to Iceheart that we shouldn't encourage artists to give kits blue eyes because Warriors isn't realistic at all. Mossy ♫ go away. 20:34, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
-shrug- That is what the color is. Look close and you'll see that it is patches of ginger and brown. And honestly, accusing someone they are lieing, when you have zero proof? Not cool. Darkhallows...Mew? 05:43, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
The photo Darkhallows posted is of a tortoiseshell tabby; patches of brown tabby, patches of ginger. But that's not really contributing to the topic on hand. I don't see any reason to not encourage them to give kits blue eyes. As has been said, if the cat's eye color is unknown, it's the artist's choice on what color they are. If they want it to be realistic and have a relatively young kit with blue eyes, so be it. --Gοldenpelt 05:47, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
I appologize, I should have stayed on topic. Blue eyes are encouraged. It has always been that way, it is realistic. Darkhallows...Mew? 06:12, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
I think that a cat with an unknown eye colour should be amber. I mean, most cats have amber eyes. Or blue.-Kittycat79Kitties Rule! 09:48, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think there should be any set eye color so long as it's realistic (like no lavender or something XP). Like I said above, I think it should be artist's choice until it's revealed. ScarletwindStep into theLight 23:32, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
Darkhallows, Warriors isn't realistic. At all. So why are blue eyes encouraged? Mossy ♫ go away. 06:36, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Guys, this discussion is pretty pointless. It's just the eye color, something that can be changed very easily. ⚛Nightflower⚛☣Absol invasion☣ 06:54, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Pointless this may seem Nightflower, but it's a common topic to come up for the 3 years I've been in this project. I'm going to have to put my input in this. Yes, the Erin's arem't that good with being realistic with just about any of their genetic stand points in the series, but this is really not the main reason of this discussion.
- Unknown kit eye color- In the past, we always said to make their eye color blue until the real eye color was finally revealed. Then when the time came someone would usually go edit the file just to give the eyes the color. No tweak week was necessary because that's all that was being done.
- Unknown warrior eye color- This was probably the most debated thing but generally amber was a color most decided on until the eye color was revealed. Sometimes someone would make a good standpoint about giving the cat green eyes instead, but it didn't really matter as the same process would happen like the kit when the eye color was given. If possible this would be the ONLY exception that gave the artist the choice of eye color, but majority of us agreed on amber.
- So you see, it's a heated debate that's been around since this project started. It's just been a while since the problem has occurred. I say to just go with the old way we used to go with this. Yes, warriors isn't realistic, it's classified as fiction for heaven sakes! Remember that people? The eye thing is just something to try and keep it realistic until further information is given.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 17:31, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Wait, so we're trying to make it realistic even though Warriors isn't realistic? Why? Mossy ♫ go away. 18:30, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and our chararts aren't even realistic. Jacques was described as a black and white tom with green eyes which is natural, but the patterning on the charart would never happen! Making artists use blue eyes on kit chararts is hypocritical. Mossy ♫ go away. 19:38, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
No one said anything about making them use blue eyes. --Gοldenpelt 19:41, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
You're just nit-picking my statement now. Encouraging them to use blue eyes. Doesn't change much. And Shimmerpool talked about the old way which was always giving them blue eyes, and said we should stick to that. Mossy ♫ go away. 19:58, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Even if we encourage them, that doesn't mean they have to. Cherrykit and Molekit both have green eyes. As has already been said, it's the artist's choice. --Gοldenpelt 20:06, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Goldenpaw is right Mossy. Encouraging is different from making someone. Encouraging you're pretty much giving your opinion in what you think is right, but it doesn't have to be followed; making someone however pretty much is like driving it down their throat and if they don't do it, they'll be punished pretty much. As for now since you're starting to make this a bigger argument than what it actually is, leave it for Maple to decide. Perhaps you can make your own discussion about the realism of the chararts. I was just speaking from personal experience from the past. This project is under different leadership now so whatever the leaders may want it goes to them.-- ♩ Shimmerpool ♪ Never B ♭ ♫ Sometimes B ♯ ♬ But Always B ♮ 00:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
- But if we tell them it's encouraged, a lot of people will solely because of that. I'm making it an argument? I just meant to say that we shouldn't encourage users to give chararts blue eyes, and people responded, so obviously I wasn't just gonna leave it. -shrug- Mossy ♫ go away. 00:40, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
- First, off, please don't be offended or think I'm being mean by stating what I feel. Encouraging isn't the same as enforcing. Just because it's encouraged, it doesn't mean that you have to do it. If you want to do something different than what's encouraged, then go ahead. That's what it means. And it's only the eye color, as many users have previously mentioned. The eye color isn't the most important aspect of the charart, as it can easily be changed. In real life, when kittens are born, they mostly have blue eyes. Isn't Pine a kit? So shouldn't we give him blue eyes unless the author suggested otherwise? As for what you say are unrealistic patterns (gray with white patches, ginger and brown patches), Maple said that she has a gray and white cat, and her friend has a ginger and brown tom. And you said that you don't believe it, without giving any proof at all, no reason. Then you accused her of lying about her cat, when she obviously knows her cat's color, considering that it's her cat. I don't mean to be mean or accusing, but that's a little unreasonable. And how is (according to you) making artists use blue eyes on kit chararts hypocritical? You didn't even elaborate on that, just stated that fact. And I don't mean to offend you or anything, but this is an argument. Why? An argument is when someone says something, and other people disagree with it. Again, I don't want to offend you in any way by stating my opinion. Rainwhisker567 21:03, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same thing for Snow. I've yet to read 'Sign of the Moon', so I have no clue what her eyecolor was. I just went with what I thought looked pretty on her :) Hope that helps.User:Cardinalfire1234/Sig 01:21, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
- O_o Gah, guys, I asked a simple question xD I don't know why it's turned into a heated debate. Look, I'll make him have amber eyes like his dad... is that okay with everyone? Sheesh. Thanks, Rainwhisker. Even though I don't particularly care, you're right that it's a bit rude to accuse me of lying about my own cat... anywho, I'm getting to work on the charart. ℳąφℓ₠ƒя☼ş₮❣ ツ 04:28, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Maplefrost, you can make the eye color whatever you want(as long as its reasonable.) They're just saying in the past that they usually just made the eye color blue until it was revealed. Mossy, please don't be rude. Maplefrost knows what her cat's and her friend's cat's pelt color is. Don't accuse her of lying. That's not the point, even though it's not very senior warrior behavior. Make it whatever you want, just make it reasonable. MINTSTARR You can stand under my Umbrella! 18:32, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Guys, a cat can't be gray with white patches. It doesn't happen. Unless she meant it had like just a white muzzle and paws and stuff, which she should've said. I'm not going to believe her if what she's saying makes no sense. xD But I agree that this is a pretty stupid debate and we should just quit it and let the artists roam free and choose their own eye colour. Mossy ♫ go away. 17:51, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
I think it depends on the pelt color. Gray/White cats, are usually Blue, Brown cats are usually green, and orange cats are usually amber. Use the color that you would find most fitting for the charart. ✲Lightningstar✲of ThunderClan 00:56, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Um, Lightningstar, this debate was already over. --Leafstrike-- 02:00, June 29,
Oh, sorry, just lookin around ✲Lightningstar✲of ThunderClan 15:11, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Fall, who also has an unknown eye color, needs a kit charart. May I make a kit charart for this cat with the eye color being blue? ---- MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN!!!!!!! 21:47, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
WildStorm, this is an old discussion. Do not comment here, as the issue has been solved. —Jayce() 21:49, October 26, 2011 (UTC)