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Place of No Stars
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  • Needs clean-up and new info revealed in Fading Echoes incorporated in.
  • Perhaps list Visitors on the page as well since it is now of more significance?
  • Probably add history sections like on StarClan's page, again, since it is growing more significant insaneular Talk 02:26, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • The Forgotten Warrior section needs expanding.

It seems like I read somewhere that Brokenstar walks the Place of No Stars also, am I wrong? Also, if he wasn't listed as walking the PoNS, couldn't we go ahead and put him in? Do you think StarClan would allow him in after all he has done?
Eulalia459678(Salamandastron) 03:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

We deal in facts, not guesses on the Mainspace, remember. We haven't seen him in the afterlife, so we can't officially verify him as being anywhere specific. Pretty much unless we've seen them in the afterlife we really probobly shouldn't be listing them as specifically a part of either group.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 04:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Although I agree that we shouldn't put guesses in the mainspace, I'm almost positive I read about Brokentail being in the PoNS in a book. Someone ought to check Sunset and The Sight so we can be sure. Sorry I can't but I only own the first 4 books of the Original Series. Hobbes15(Tiger Headquarters) 07:09, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I only own a First Look Copy of the Sight. and I don't acctually own any of the New Prophecy (Book are expensive when you're also paying bills around a house. You would not believe how much electricity costs nowadays. But I don't remember him being seen in PoNS, but I read so many books on the whole that if it was mentioned in passing I may have just forgotten it (It's been awhile since I've read the New Prophecy. And considering I didn't really enjoy the second half of that series much at all...) We can just hold off, verify the information, and then add it in.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm almost positive that he is, but I'm not going to be able to look until next Thursday at the latest. Eulalia459678(Salamandastron) 15:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Strike that, look at this quote I found:
"...Once he halted, eyes staring, jaws open to taste the air. 'I can scent Brokenstar!' he exclaimed. 'Is he here too? Brokenstar, where are you?..."
That comes from the prologue of the Paperback 2007 edition of the Harper Trophy Sunset. Found using the search inside feature. Eulalia459678(Salamandastron) 15:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

In one of the prologues in the New Prophecy books Darkstripe says he can scent Brokentail/Brokenstar. I would say he really is in the dark forest/place of no stars.

Yeah, I found the exact quote, using the search feature. Eulalia459678(Salamandastron) 01:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Is ashfur in the place of no stars?I mean he tried killing squirrelflight and her kits. -Whitewingrox

and don't forget he plotted to kill Firestar.Thornclaw talk! 23:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We'll have to see in Sunset. Warrior♥ 19:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing about where Ashfur is now in Sunset... --Snowflurry 18:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Snowflurry

brokenstar is in it read the prolouge of sunsetButthead4 20:33, April 27, 2011 (UTC) butthead4

What's so bad about the Dark Forest?

Why do cats not want to go there? Is there something unpleasant about it? Sure, you don't see many other cats, but not everyone is social. So is the only thing going against it that it's not StarClan? Or is there some specific reason cats don't want to end up there?

I think it's the isolation, and the fact that there's nothing to do. No hunts, no sleep, no thirst, etc. Tigerstar and Hawkfrost seem to enjoy it there, though. --Fidelis359 03:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

They may like it, but I bet they both would much rather be alive to take power themselves. I don't think Tigerstar really likes it though. In the prologue of Sunset, it said that he longed to hunt, and feel his claws in flesh. *Shudders*--SnowfallLet it snow, let it snow! 21:05, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


Erin Hunter revealed that Mudclaw went to StarClan because he did everything right and the warrior code says the deputy always becomes leader. --Stonestar 12:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)Stonestar

It seems more likely he would be in the dark forest because in starlight he went against tallstars will and triend to cease power over onestar with hawkfrost. Witch concludes willing to kill to become leader like tigerstar


It was already confirmed in a Wands and Worlds Chat that Scourge doesn't walk the Dark Forest, as he had no concept of an afterlife. That being said, it's likely that Bone does not walk it either.


Does anyone think its possible that Ashfur walks the Dark Forest? I really don't know, because he was mainly nice, but went totally insane and horrible in the end. --♥Shinestar♥ 22:09, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the same thing happened to Tigerstar and Hawkfrost. And Hollyleaf, IF she's dead or not. I, just knowing the Hunters, think they will bring back Hollyleaf, 'cause they acted really weird on answering about Hollyleaf's alive/dead thing. If she was dead, they would have told us. Ya know? --RoseyHappy Leaf-bare!

I think he should get the same punishment. -sarahlion On the seventh chat with Erin Hunter, she said that Ashfur's residence will be known soon.

Ashfur is now confirmed to reside in StarClan after his death, so no, he is not in the Dark Forest. ♥Phoenixfeather:The flowers are blooming...♥ 23:04, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ashfur is in starclan, in the forgotten warrior Jayfeather see ashfur in starclan A

Ashfur isnt evil, he just loved.


Should we put Thistleclaw down as a possible resident? He was totally power and battle crazy. It says he died in a pool of blood. I think we should put him down as a possible resident. --♥Shinestar♥ 21:07, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

I heard from someone that Erin Hunter confirmed that he went to StarClan. I didn't see the chat or whatever myself, but it makes sense. He was violent, but never actually did anything evil, except his almost letting Tiny/Scourge killed, which was indirectly his fault. Maybe StarClan forgave him since Bluestar stopped it. Insaneular | raluenasnI 00:54, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

I heard he went to StarClan first, but when Bluestar joined StarClan, she chased him into the Dark Forest. That's just what I heard.

Thistleclaw is in the dark forest. It was revealed in one omen the stars book. I think it was said by Ivypool that he was tigerstars mentor who motivated him to his dark path Ivypool6969 (talk) 05:43, January 12, 2013 (UTC) .Ivypool6969 


Hey people, I think we should probably cite the known residents. That should be fairly easy since there aren't that many--SnowfallLet it snow, let it snow! 00:50, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've cited Tiger, Dark, and Broken--SnowfallLet it snow, let it snow! 00:58, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


Should we add an appearances of the Dark Forest, the StarClan page does so should I add that? Go ShadowClan! 00:44, January 27, 2010 (UTC)Dappleclaw


For the possible residents (and I might be wrong) aren't there going to be a lot of arguements? Like, some people might veiw Hollyleaf as a good cat who was under trauma, and some might say she was completly mad and killed someone. I don't really know, but I think that too many users might use that area to post their own opinions.--Artimas HunterWelcome to Bramblepath's Den 22:35, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Artimas, you have no idea how many times I've had to roll back this page for that reason. But, that's the nature of the beast- since they're "possible" residents, we put down all cats that are possibly there- if there's any (significant) chance at all. We could debate for ages as to whether Ashfur, Hollyleaf, etc. are there or not- but if there's a chance, we need to leave them. (Sorry if this sounds directed at you, it's not- just at the people who change the possible residents without thinking.) insanTASTE THE RAINBOWeular 22:38, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

True enough. Should we put down cats who have visited the Dark Forest? We could make another category for cats like Lionblaze, Tigerheart, and Brambleclaw.--Artimas HunterWelcome to Bramblepath's Den 17:05, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

If I recall, there is already a category for visitors to the Dark Forest, and they're kind of listed in the description, so it doesn't seem necessary to have a list for them like the possible members section, but... insanTASTE THE RAINBOWeular 17:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

It is also suggested that Hollyleaf will return in Omen of the Stars as a long-awaited female villian.

Whoever said that, please sign with the signature button! And where does it say Hollyleaf will return as a female villain? Plus, this is not a forum. Take that somewhere else, please.Phoenixfeather13--Burning Bright, Even in Snow 16:03, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thistleclaw is in StarClan.

Why on earth is Thistleclaw down as a verified resident of the Dark Forest? It was confirmed somewhere that he was in StarClan with his mate Snowfur. Okay, he was evil, but he never actually killed anyone. ClarrissaMy Talk Page 15:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Find a reference, Clarrissa. ✐SaNdY 15:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
I heard that he was in StarClan, but when Bluestar joined StarClan, she chased him into the Dark Forest.
He trained in The Dark Forset. And the "Bluestar chased Thisleclaw" was a joke. Dancing Hearts110 (talk) 23:26, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


Okay, an unregistered contributor seems convinced that Jaggedtooth is a suspected Place of No Stars resident. Is this true, or not? Should I keep undoing the edit or not? 0_0
Shistar Mai Talk Page 01:46, March 3, 2010 (UTC). I think Jaggedtooth should be listed as a resident because he has not appeared since the first series (HE IS DEAD) and he was very evil, so I think he should be listed as a resident. Does anyone else agree?

Jaggedtooth is not dead. After the battle between the four clans (ThunderClan, WindClan, RiverClan, and ShadowClan) and BloodClan, the four forest Clans won. They drove out BloodClan, and Jaggedtooth is part of BloodClan. So Jaggedtooth ran off back to the Twolegplace with the rest of BloodClan.

Yes, Jaggedtooth is evil, but he isn`t dead.

Agreed, and can I just remind people to sign with the signature button? I'm Still Phoenixfeather13! 11:57, January 14, 2011 (UTC)


It reveals that she is a member, so I think she should be put on this list. Vicky said that she was a very evil cat and that she did bad things, but I would like to know a little more about her.

She appears in the Dark Forest in Night Whispers.

It was also revealed by Erin Hunter that she will appear in the fourth volume of the Super Edition series, Crookedstar's Promise. And she will appear in that book alive. So in that book, we can find out why she is in the Place of No Stars. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:55 P.M.

Thistleclaw revealed in PONS.

It has been revealed that Thistleclaw resides in the Dark Forest. This was said by Vicky on her Facebook page back in May. If you want the snippet: "Warriors WishERS want to know one thing- what did Thistleclaw ever do to deserve being banished [to the PONS]?" "Thistleclaw had VERY dark ambitions . . . but you're right, he [did] something dreadful to deserve banishment to the DF. Unless Bluestar drove him out when she got to StarClan!" --Vicky

Sorry about my newbie set-up of this tidbit. --Ambersky 02:28, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

He will also appear in the Place of No Stars in Night Whispers. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:37 P.M.

Hawkheart & Unnamed Brown Tom

In the list of the Place of No Stars, there is also a cat that is now, known as the Unnamed Brown Tom. It is suspected that the Unnamed Brown Tom in the Place of No Stars is suspected to be Hawkheart. Why? REASON #1: Hawkheart is a brown tom REASON #2: Hawkheart is evil. He broke the 14th warrior code: No honourable warriors kill other cats to win a battle. He broke it, by murdering Bluestar's mother, Moonflower. Even after the day he killed her, he never regret it. Instead, at the one Gathering, he taunted Bluestar. (Bluepaw then) --Tigerclaw8

He later died sometime in Bluestar's Prophecy. --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:48 P.M.

He may have broken the warrior code by killing Moonflower, but he was provoked. --Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 01:58, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

@"Goldenpelt FREE YOUR HEAT" From, Tigerclaw8: Maybe, but are SURE he was provoked? PLEASE CONTACT HERE

She tried to destroy their medicine supply. If that's not provoking him, I don't know what is. --Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 02:22, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Still, there's the warrior code to think about. Honorable cats do not need to kill, or have we all forgotten that? I'm Still Phoenixfeather13! 12:00, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

if the brown tom your talking about is the one who fought Jayfeather and Poppyfrost with Brezzepelt then he was confirmed to be Brokenstar

I don't think Hawkheart should have killed Moonflower, but still, he did have a point. StarClan must have forgiven him, if he doesn't have a confirmed residence in the Place of No Stars. Violetwing 23:17, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Residents (in my opinion)

OK, these are the residents in Place of No Stars:










And probably the Unnamed Brown Tom. (I skipped Clawface) --Tigerclaw8 Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:06 P.M.


I don`t think we should put Clawface in the list of the Dark Forest because nothing reveals or proven that Clawface is in the Dark Forest. Even Erin Hunter didn`t say anything about Clawface in the Place of No Stars. Only the list says Clawface on it, thats all.....

In case you didn't notice, there's a citation for it. --Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 02:20, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Where's the citation for it? --Tigerclaw8 Thursday, August 5th, 2010 6:30 PM

There's a link right by his name. --Gοlδεnρεlτ FRΣΣ YΩUR HΣAT 01:51, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

@Goloenpelt FREE YOUR HEAT Which link? --Tigerclaw8 Friday, August 13, 2010 9:47 PM

(Sighs wearily) Secrets of the Clan revealed Clawface went to the Dark Forest, possibly because he both killed Spottedleaf and followed Brokenstar into exile. I'm Still Phoenixfeather13! 12:02, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Evil cats with their residence unknown (up to Fading Echoes)

Clawface (probably)






Scourge: Didn't end up in Starclan or the Place of No Stars because he didn't belive in Starclan

Bone: Same as Scourge

Hawkheart: problably did because he was so darn evil

Shartooth: Do snakes go to Starclan... No! Do badgers go to Starclan... No! So unless I hear of Starclan cats going missing it's a I don't think so

Ashfur:He probably went to Starclan

Rainear be as silent as rain

Hawkheart did kill Bluestar's mother, Moonflower, but if you read "Yellowfang's Secret", he's actually a really nice cat. Dancing Hearts110 (talk) 23:38, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hawkheart revealed in the Dark Forest

On the 7th chat with Erin Hunter, she confirmed that Hawkheart is in the Place of No Stars. It is unknown which book Hawkheart will appear in the Place of No Stars. --Tigerclaw8 Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:45 PM

It is also unknown how does Hawkheart die, although it is known that Hawkheart died sometime in "Bluestar's Prophecy".

Shoudn't there be a Night Whispers section? .Skystar. 23:29, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't Antpelt now be listed as a resident of the Dark forest? he died and went there. .Skystar. 00:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


Okay so why does it say Snowtuft was in ShadowClan, was that confirmed?-Redfern123

Reveled in Fading Echoes, as of the Source. Splook sweet  creature 16:31, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

I checked the page from the citation, and there was no mentioned of him being from ShadowClan. --Gοldenpelt 22:55, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


Can I delete the part where it says hell because younger kids are on this website and that to parents of younger kids think it's a bad word, and kids are curious, and littler kids might not know what hell is and might ask it.MossnosePeeta's #1 Fangirl 22:28, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

It's not like it's being used as a curse word. :/ I see no reason for it to be removed. --Gοldenpelt 22:50, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Besides, only people ages 13 and up are allowed on this website, so that seems like a mature enough age group to handle one word. SquirrelFlame29 Defying the Darkness 02:19, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Squirrel. It's a biblical place. There should be no reason that someone can't handle it. Jayce  ( ) 02:25, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, anyone can view pages and the wiki itself should be kept to a "G" Rating (the forum, which requires membership, is 13+ and can be considered to have a PG rating). Hell is, however, suitable to the "G" rating (even in expletive use form). According to the MPAA "Some snippets of language [in a G rated film] may go beyond polite conversation". It's not our job to protect children from language. That's the parent's duty. Given the context of the word, and the fact that there' is no other suitable word to refer to it, it would be absolutely acceptable to use.  Kitsufox  Den/CoSC 02:40, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


Isn't Flametail a Dark Forest resident? Echoblaze 06:02, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

No, he's a StarClan resident. It said he wandered into the Dark Forest on accident.Template:Lightningstorm311/Sig 15:17, July 8, 2011 (UTC)


Shouldn't Mapleshade be listed as a ThunderClan resident?100 ways to die no. 9: Being ugly 15:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

True. I added it in. SquirrelFlame29 Defying the Darkness 02:23, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise

Shouldn't there be a Crookedstar's Promise section? HollyleafOfThunderclan 16:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Crookedstar's Promise

Shouldn't there be a Crookedstar's Promise section? HollyleafOfThunderclan 16:00, July 30, 2011 (UTC)


I really don't get why Rainflower should be in StarClan after neglecting her son for getting hurt. I mean, it was mean, wasn't it? She did not even come to give Crookedjaw a life.

Sorry, but this is not the place for casual conversation or speculations. Thanks. User:A Cat Named Cheshire/Sig

And please sign with 4 tides so we know who you are. Like this: ~~~~ Sweetflower23:22 Wed Feb 1


I was thinking earlier, and we really need to put a list of the cats who were trained in the PONS. I think it would be perfect to put it just below the list of residents. This would include Ivypool, Thistleclaw, Crookedstar....

I think that this is really nessecary. Agree? I could start on it if we like the idea. Chickadee1999 03:17, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Crookedstar should be in the list. I added it, but Breezewhisker took it away.Amberflower (talk) 18:32, January 27, 2013 (UTC)Amberflower of WindClan

Because Crookedstar did not train in the Dark Forest as Breezewhisker said in her edit summary. Also, you should add a cite so that you can prove your addition. Atelda insert vague subtext here 18:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

SkyClan and Tribe

Can someone add that SkyClan has it's own seperate Dark Forest and that the Tribe has its own version of it? I have the refference for that here:!/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150679013407454&id=29566467453&notif_t=feed_comment

She said that she "suspects it". It could be placed in a trivia section on the page, but cannot be taken as a fact unless she says it with confidence. Iveh Yo! 16:41, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Trainees of the DF

Should we cite known trainees?Gummybearkiller (talk) 04:49, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Character Arts

There should be a different template than Rogue for Dark Forest cats. And so I drew in a face and I laughed XD (talk) 22:10, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ages in the Dark forest

Is there an age limit for what Cats can be spent to the Dark forest? I mean obviously Kits wouldn't be spent there but what about apprentices? If an apprentice does something horrible enough crime what would happen to them; Reborn for a 2nd chance or to the Dark forest?  - Mellowix (talk) 11:06, August 2, 2016 (UTC) Mellowix

No one knows. I doubt we'll have something like that in the series, so it's left up to whatever the fans want, I suspect. That doesn't mean we can add whatever we want to the wiki, it means for when you write your fanfiction or roleplays, then you can use whatever you please, as there's no canon information on it. Jayce  ( 11:08, 8/02/2016 )
I wasn't suggesting  we should add it to the wiki, I was only asking a question. - Mellowix (talk) 11:12, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
I know you weren't. =P I was saying that in case others saw this and took it as a "we can add whatever we want" thing, which has happened before when people have said there's no information on it. Jayce  ( 11:16, 8/02/2016 )

More Dark Forest Cats.

Should we add the fact that Marshcloud, Brightflower, Stumpytail, Lilywhisker, Tangleburr, Blizzardwing, and Deerfoot are in The Dark Forest (Revealed on Su Sussan's Facebook)? Dancing Hearts110 (talk) 23:32, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

It wasn't Su's facebook, it was Vicky's page. Su and Vicky did work together on it though. It should be added, yes, but I haven't had the time to update the list. Jayce  ( 23:33, 9/24/2016 )

Can someone fix "Known Residents: Shadowclan" area?

The area listing Shadowclan cats that are known Dark forest Residents is quite messy looking and doesn't much up with the rest of the list. I know I may be being a little OCD about this but it doesn't look very good. May someone please fix it? Mellowix (talk) 17:27, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

It's done. I hadn't gotten the chance to fix it yet. Jayce  ( 17:30, 10/10/2016 )
Thanks! Mellowix (talk) 17:32, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Dark forest causing cats to go insane.

I know for now this may be assuming but doesn't the Dark forest slowly makes its residents insane. I mean I can think of few examles of dark forest cats (Mainly Thistleclaw) , being reasonably sane when they were alive but get really extreme views and become pefectly fine with killing cats on a dayily basis.

All I am saying is, if anyone is able to think of example of this and have a scource to back it up, than we should add this to the page. As if this turns out to be true, it would be an important bit of information. Mellowix (talk) 18:54, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

There is no source backing this up and this seems like a pure fan theory. We're never going to find a source for this, and asking us to get one won't make us find one. "Going insane" is subjective anyways, and I would say it's kind of offensive to people who are mentally ill. Jayce  ( 18:59, 11/22/2016 )

Fine, I'll admit I was a bit insensitive.  However you're taking what I was saying a little out of context. Remember, I'm refering to fiction cats. They're not human, they're wild animals.  So I don't think they should be compared to real life people with mental illnesses. I myself suffer from mild Anxiety and regular panic attacks.  Afterall in Clan security its comsidered a fairly normal to be a murderer. What we would consider a mental illness, could be seen as pefectly normal in the Clan life. 

Finally, you have to think about the situation that the charaters are in, when they are sent to the Dark forest. Having mental illness or not before hand, human or not, it doesn't really matter. The kind extreme of isolate in a dark and musty unchanging environment, would send any living creature over edge. Mellowix (talk) 22:33, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. There is no proof whatsoever. There's nothing in canon ecen supporting that anyways. Jayce  ( 22:47, 11/22/2016 )

Residents Affiliation At Time Of Death

Shouldn't charatcers such as Darkstripe or Mapleshade be listed as rogues in the known residents part of the page because when they died they were rogues? ErmineGlow (talk) 20:08, December 28, 2016 (UTC)

Su's Dark Forest cats

So when was it decided that Su's suggested Dark Forest cats weren't suddenly canon? When it was stated by Vicky that Su's suggestions were just her own personal headcanons, we decided to get rid of all names and apprentices and missing family links. However but Su's Dark Forest cat were left untouched, along with other minor things like Heathertail was Onestar's kit and Stormfur's new mentor was Shadepelt. So why the sudden change now? Mellowix (talk) 06:44, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Check PC discussions. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 06:49, 10/02/2017

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