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Fernpaw (TAQ), Ferntail, and Featherpelt
Bit of a conundrum here, guys. We have three different cats, but only two of them actually appear.
Ferntail is apparently supposed to be the kit of Sedgewhisker and Emberfoot, and Crowfeather's apprentice, as seen on Kate's blog. She isn't shown in the allegiance list for The Apprentice's Quest, both the iBooks preview and the official release.
Featherpelt appears, though, and she has the same description as Ferntail, but she is, without a doubt, the Featherpaw from Bramblestar's Storm, and one of Crowfeather's apprentices. There isn't anything doubting the canonocity of this character whatsoever... but it is interesting that she shares the same exact description and mentor as "Ferntail".
There's also a Fernpaw, and this she-cat has a totally different description. She's a dark brown she-cat, an allegiance-only character, and doesn't show up in the list we got from Kate.
What exactly should we do about this? We can't really add anything for Ferntail, since she doesn't exist as of the book release. Should we just delete Ferntail's page? Given that Ferntail is also listed as a kit of Sedgewhisker and does have littermates... this doesn't quite make sense.
We can't just have an empty article, though. —Jayce(11:53, 3/15/2016)
Add Ferntail to the minor chacter page? Inconsistencies. Great editors, Warriors. Just great. I'm actually getting seriously tired of all of these inconsistencies Appledash the light of honor 03:31, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
But Ferntail doesn't exist anymore, so she's technically not a character. I don't think we can put her on the minor characters page. —Jayce(05:27, 3/16/2016)
Trivia? Appledash the light of honor 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
I think it should definitely be trivia, because for example Jayclaw was originally named Jaywing(it's in his trivia), but it had been changed since Kate's blog on the allegiances. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 15:15, 3/16/2016
Ferntail was in an early version of the allegiances, of course there will be some changes. I'd say delete because they do not appear in the final version.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 22:18, March 25, 2016 (UTC)
No, I still think they should be in the trivia. They were mentioned, after all. Appledash the light of honor 22:29, March 31, 2016 (UTC)
I agree, it shoud be in their trivia, but they should be categorized as mentioned characters. Or, of course, Kate could be asked since I think she made the draft? But imo, the page shouldn't be deleted, it should just be in their trivia that they got drafted out of the final copy. 🏵️ Maple 🏵️ 23:03 Mon Apr 4
I'm not sure it makes sense for the pages to be kept, though? They'd just be empty and sitting there. Characters who get changed have their old names serving as a redirect; such as Troutfin, when the name was changed to Milkfur... a trivia statement wouldn't hurt, just like I did for Stonewing and Jayclaw. I'm only asking this time because there seems to be a bit of a mixup with the apprentice/general list, and not just a name swap. —Jayce(00:44, 4/06/2016)
Have we reached a conclusion? Appledash the light of honor 21:10, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Well I was just looking and it is said that Fernpaw (TAQ) is the one that's Crowfeather's apprentice. — MinkclawRiver is Beauty, Beauty is Everything. 15:56, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
I think that we should just leave Ferntail to the trivia and probably delete her page, and put Featherpelt and Fernpaw in the trivia as well. Appledash the light of honor 15:59, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
I think that the trivia for Ferntail should also be in the trivia for The Apprentice's Quest as she was mentioned in Allegiances for TAQ on BlogClan. Songheart
So are ew going to do this? Appledash the light of honor 03:32, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Poking this one more time. What is our conclusion on this? Appledash the light of honor 01:52, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
Alright I had a closer look at what in StarClan these characters are. Fernpaw and Featherpelt seem fine to me, Crowfeather's apprentice graduated and then he got another apprentice. Ferntail however seems to be a dropped character. That's what I'm seeing. Yeah a little confusing here.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 00:34, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
So are we looking to delete the page and add a trivia statement to The Apprentice's Quest, then? That seems to be the major consensus here. If there aren't any objections, I'd like to do this soon, that way we don't cause any more confusion. —Jayce(22:34, 5/07/2016)
Yep go ahead, considering it's been almost a month since anyone's comment.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 08:46, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Unoffical leaders (SPOILERS)
Sorry I should've brought it up with PC prior to doing anything. Okay so unofficial leaders, I know that this has been discussed before but in Darktail's case, he was heavily referred to a leader so many times Alderpaw was just like "why isn't he called Darkstar you dumdums". He refers to himself as a leader several times, and they drove SkyClan out and he is the leader of the rogues technically, and they all listen to him and stuff like that. Does that make him a leader, or should we put it as unofficialy? Same thing goes for Jingo, by the way. Appledash the light of honor 14:21, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
A leader is a leader, regardless. At the same time, it would also be appropriate to clearly define what the leader rank is. Is it only a Clan rank, and if it is, then why are these cats clearly labeled as leaders of their own group? If so, then what's to say for cats like Furled Bracken and Stone Song, who were very much leaders of the Ancient group of cats we saw in Long Shadows and Sign of the Moon, and why aren't they entitled to a leader charart?
Is our blank only a Clan leader charart? If so, then why are all Clan leaders marked with "Leader" instead of "Clan Leader", when the leader rank itself is shown to be used elsewhere? Slash's group, Darktail's group (they'd also get a page, I think?????), Jingo's group, the Ancient cats, BloodClan, ect. There are multiple groups within the series that have a clear leader of their group, but they don't get anything special. —Jayce(14:27, 3/16/2016)
Right now I think we should think of status, not charart. What I'm thinking is that we have a leader, but maybe in the trivia it says they're not a Clan leader? Or maybe Leader (Unofficially), and officially can be a Clan? Idk I'm tired Appledash the light of honor 14:30, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
They're tied together, and you can't talk about one without bringing up the other, Icy. =P And technically, cats like Slash, Darktail, Furled Bracken, and Stone Song aren't unofficial. They are called leaders, and multiple times at that. They're just not Clan leaders, which makes me think we need to redefine what a leader is and who does and doesn't count. —Jayce(14:33, 3/16/2016)
a leader is a leader, regardless of the group, they have the same job even if they don't have the same methods, the only real difference is the nine lives the clan leaders get, so they really should get some kind of rank acknowledgement. all in all it's just up to the wiki itself if we want to use the images for non clan cats or not. david 🌈 14:35, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
I hate to say this, but maybe we could have a blank for non-clan leaders? But this is PC, and I think we can call them leaders (non-clan) or something like that. We need to acknowledge that they are leaders, but not Clan leaders. Appledash the light of honor 14:51, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
They are most definitely leaders, but perhaps we could create a Non-Clan Leader rank/category for them? I do agree that each group probably should have it's own page, as said above. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 15:04, 3/16/2016
There are so many examples of non-Clan leaders that I'm surprised this rank hasn't been brought in before.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 22:33, March 25, 2016 (UTC)
Comments?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:12, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
I think a leader is a leader regardless whether it is of a clan or another group because isn't a clan just a group? VelvetmoonPersonne n'échappe à mon regard! 21:21, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
Have we reached a conclusion?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 06:22, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
It would seem so. Jaysnow (talk) 02:29, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Then what is it? Are we going to create a non Clan leader category? Appledash the light of honor 15:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
I think we should have that and a rank too. We should rename leaders 'Clan Leaders' (because they are so often called that) then non-Clan leaders just 'leaders', because again that's what they are called in the books. They should be given a category and rank for it and the rest is up to PCA.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 00:37, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
Stealth, do you mean PCA, or PC? Because if we give them a rank, we do have to have a blank for it, because that's hardly doing it properly. All other ranks should have a blank, so if we decide to do this, know that a blank will be necessary, as it is considered an official rank on this wiki. We can't reuse the leader blanks that we currently have, as they are Clan leader blanks. But that's a PCA discussion, not PC. I don't know if anyone else is going to comment on this, and since there was at least six days between your comment and the last, Stealth, I think it's alright to go ahead and ask for a final call for comments. —Jayce(15:23, 5/08/2016)
I really don't see the need for a whole new leader blank. Can't we do what we did with the healer blank - tweak the leader? But then again that is for PCA. This is PC and we haven't even decided if it's official or not. Appledash the light of honor 16:50, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
PCA. Yes I meant PCA sorry. Anymore comments for this? PC comments?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:12, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
Okay how will we do this? I think clan leaders should be called that, "Clan Leaders" and non-clan leaders should just be called "Leaders", because really that's what they are called in the books.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 08:51, June 4, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good, but maybe we shouldn't change the status box itself, and just keep it as Leader: Firestar, or Leader: Darktail? Appledash the light of honor 14:41, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Character Ages
Alright, so, I had a nice piece of information sent to me on tumblr last week, and I figure that it's kinda important, since it revolves around the character ages on the articles. Now, some of these appear to be right...but others don't make a lick of sense? tldr the image explains what I'm trying to say... but I really think we need to rethink when we add ages to character pages, because something's not right here. Do we try and fix these mistakes (as there are quite a few), or do we try something else instead? —Jayce(00:23, 4/07/2016)
I think we need this general rule: The ages will only change when a new book comes out and nothing else. I think partially the reason people are mixed up because maths is not the easiest in the world and it's hard to tell how much time passes in books sometimes. I think yes fix the mistakes and be very strict about ages being changed. Maybe only a certain few users (like the charart being changed on the character pages) are allowed to edit these ages. Might be a little hard to reinforce at first but people will eventually get it.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 00:36, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
Stealthfire makes a good point. Jaysnow (talk) 00:37, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
I can reread the entire series and pinpoint the characters' almost exact ages by taking notes. Songheart
Let's try to fix all these mistakes. I know seeing the characters' ages helps me out a ton. Why don't we use the Events Timeline for a reference when we're done fixing it up? Appledash the light of honor 00:42, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
Why not just start over with the ages? Delete them from the character articles for now, rework the system (and when and why the ages are updated, just like Stealth said), and then put them back on the character pages? We could always use a PC subpage or something along those lines to have the approx. ages and the evidence that proves it? —Jayce(00:46, 4/07/2016)
I agree; I know that the DTC timeline is being made, and I think that would make it much easier to track the DTC cats' ages when that is finalized. For the other cats too, though, I agree that it would be a good idea to just clear it for now and add it back in later when the ages are updated. 🏵️ Maple 🏵️ 02:10 Thu Apr 7
I think on a page ( timeline page or character ages) we should have a rough moon time scale. ie how many moons have past since Tallstar was made an apprentice till when was Bluestars made leader. This would help us get an accurate time span. VelvetmoonPersonne n'échappe à mon regard! 10:44, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
I think we should take them off for now, fix them, then put them back on. There's so many characters, and it'd be good to take them off temporarily to make sure we don't forget anyone. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 21:13, 4/07/2016
I think it's better to leave them just on (for now) and make a subpage to put down notes per book and then change the ages for each specific character. It would probably be best to start with Into the Wild, since I will be reading the book shortly. Songheart
Have we reached a conclusion? R(Right now I'm working on a timeline so maybe I can help with this.) Appledash the light of honor 21:10, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
I'm going to poke this. Appledash the light of honor 15:53, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
Have we reached a conclusion or no? Appledash the light of honor 17:08, April 23, 2016 (UTC)
It's seems to me that everybody agrees that the ages should be taken off, then added back on later when the timeline is fixed. 🏵️ Maple 🏵️ 18:41 Sat Apr 23
I'm not sure, it doesn't really seem like that. Does everyone agree that we should take the ages off until the timeline is constructed? I heavily disagree because it could be a while until the timeline is constructed. Appledash the light of honor 00:45, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
I think we should keep them on, it's pointless to me to spend a load of time removing the ages, only to add them back on later. We should just keep them cause yeah, the timeline could take a really long time —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 12:27, 4/25/2016
Just remove the bit of coding that makes the ages show on the template. There, problem solved. It can be readded when the ages are fixed. —Jayce(12:39, 4/25/2016)
No problem not solved. The ages shouldn't be removed at all. They'll be fixed but they shouldn't be removed. Who knows how long it will be until the ages are fixed? I agree with Spooky. Appledash the light of honor 19:01, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
why should they remain when they;re not right? it;s just giving out false information and I don;t see why other false information is rmeoved but this gets to stay, lol. david 🌈 19:23, April 25, 2016 (UTC)
Because right now they're really helpful even if they're off. They're not even that much off, it's approximate and it IS going to be fixed and I hope sooner rather than later. I just think it's very inconvenient to take it off when someone obviously worked hard to find it. We'll fix it. Appledash the light of honor 01:21, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Icy, I was talking about on the template itself. It's very easy to remove, and since they're wrong, they shouldn't be on character articles. Just because people worked hard, doesn't mean it's not wrong and shouldn't be fixed. It can be added back when it's fixed, but for now, many of those ages are completely and totally wrong and should not be reflected on the article. We remove incorrect statements all the time, and this is one of them. It's not inconvenient at all; it's removing the wrong information until the correct things can be added. —Jayce(04:40, 4/26/2016)
I know you're talking about the template. However I think it's unnecessary as of now because the timeline might not even be complete. Appledash the light of honor 10:17, April 26, 2016 (UTC)
Lightflame has agreed to help me with the character ages and I have a template that will help. For now, we can hide the ages as Cloudy said (if you all agree). Would you be willing to do that, Cloudy? Appledash the light of honor 15:21, May 1, 2016 (UTC)
I'll hide it once the conclusion has properly concluded. —Jayce(08:41, 5/02/2016)
What? Don't hide it. The conclusion hasn't been reached yet. When the conclusion is "hide it", then you can hide it, but right now don't hide anything because it hasn't been reached. Appledash the light of honor 02:19, May 7, 2016 (UTC)
Uh, I said I would once the conclusion has been reached. I never touched the template after I said that. You even said in your last message "we can hide the ages", and that's what I was responding to. =/ —Jayce(10:16, 5/07/2016)
here are the ages Appledash the light of honor 21:03, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
So what are we going to do about those ages? Should we add the ones I linked? Appledash the light of honor 17:50, May 25, 2016 (UTC)
So where exactly are the citations for those ages, anyways? Also, where does it say that Twigkit and Violetkit are only half a moon old? I don't think that's directly stated in the book... and I don't think Needlepaw's age is either; we can't go by how many Gatherings or when she was apprenticed, because she could have been apprenticed early or late, as we have examples of each kind. Cherryfall and Molewhisker due to various contexts given in the last half of the Omen of the Stars arc, anyways. —Jayce(13:14, 6/03/2016)
Twigkit and Violetkit were calculated from the context given by Alderpaw, and so was Needlepaw. But does the project want to use these ages or not, and we can find the correct cites? Appledash the light of honor 14:40, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Tribe of Rushing Water Names
Alright so I was thinking about something this morning, but I way too tired to post it. When it comes to the Tribe of Rushing Water and their names, how we currently have it seems a bit... I dunno, cluttered. Given that the name in parenthesis is an informal name, wouldn't it make sense to change this:
Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook) is a sleek,[2] soft,[7] and thick-furred,[8] lithe,[1] brown tabby she-cat with gray eyes[4] and a torn ear.[9]
to something like this:
Brook Where Small Fish Swim, informally known as Brook, is a sleek,[2] soft,[7] and thick-furred,[8] lithe,[1] brown tabby she-cat with gray eyes[4] and a torn ear.[9] (for those who aren't sure what "informally" means because words lmao: have a link)
Given that the shortened name is very often used in casual discussion? Plus, it kinda makes it look like "Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook)" is Brook's name, when it's actually "Brook Where Small Fish Swim", and "Brook" is just her shortened name, kinda like how Icy's nickname is a shortened version of her old username, Icestorm123, Stealth is a shortened version of Stealth's username, ect. —Jayce(02:00, 5/14/2016)
I really like the idea, it does seem to flow better because the parentheses seem weird since it's an entirely shortened name in itself type of thing, yet next to the name which could throw people off if they haven't read about the character yet. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 02:05, 5/14/2016
Well I agree that it makes sense when you say that it makes her name look like 'Brook Where Small Fish Swim (Brook)', but I wouldn't say she is 'informally' called Brook; everyone calls her Brook. Or like when Brambleclaw saw Night for the first time in like 10 (okay it was more like 1 or 2 but still) years, he still called her Night, instead of Night of No Stars etc. Imo it would be more accurate if it was 'Brook Where Small Fish Swim, more commonly known as Brook', because the name 'Brook' was used by everyone, and she was almost always referred to as Brook. 🏵️ Maple 🏵️ 02:08 Sat May 14
This is a good idea. Jaysnow (talk) 07:19, June 2, 2016 (UTC)
May I get more comments on this? I'd really like to implement this if everyone agrees. I'm for adding "more commonly known" instead of what I suggested, by the way. —Jayce(22:23, 6/02/2016)
I'd rather more commonly known. Appledash the light of honor 13:01, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
Join Request
Helloo I wish to get back into the Wiki (was I ever really here in the first place is the real question) and I'd love to be part of this project uvu'
21:44, June 9, 2016 (UTC)