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Poor Su and Vicky! What is wrong with people????? I will do ask Snowed asked, because it is a good idea but I think we should wait until things blow over (what the heck is going on with world?? I guess that's social media) when things are calmed down and Su and Vicky will be more inclined to go on facebook, then I'll go ask. Man, if only everyone was as polite as Snowed says about me. But I know everyone here is awesome already XD seeing these comments makes me feel so proud of being a part of this community.[[User:Stealthfire star|<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth</font>]][[User:Stealthfire star|<font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re</font>]] [[User Talk:Stealthfire star|<font color="#0067A5" face="Teen"><sup>❤Warriors Forever!❤</sup></font>]] 22:24, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
Poor Su and Vicky! What is wrong with people????? I will do ask Snowed asked, because it is a good idea but I think we should wait until things blow over (what the heck is going on with world?? I guess that's social media) when things are calmed down and Su and Vicky will be more inclined to go on facebook, then I'll go ask. Man, if only everyone was as polite as Snowed says about me. But I know everyone here is awesome already XD seeing these comments makes me feel so proud of being a part of this community.[[User:Stealthfire star|<font color="#0F52BA" face="Segoe">Stealth</font>]][[User:Stealthfire star|<font color="#FF0000" face="Segoe">f🔥re</font>]] [[User Talk:Stealthfire star|<font color="#0067A5" face="Teen"><sup>❤Warriors Forever!❤</sup></font>]] 22:24, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
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Mistfeather's mate

(Spoilers for Hawkwing's Journey and The Apprentice's Quest)

Mistfeather mentions how his mate died during the battle when the rogues took the gorge in The Apprentice's Quest. In Hawkwing's Journey, Stormheart is the only she-cat that died in the battle. I know you might say that one of the missing she-cat's could have died in it too, but the only missing she-cat is Frecklewish, and she is a medicine cat so... can we say that Stormheart is Mistfeather's mate? We'd definitely put it as a note or a longer cite so it's explained thoroughly.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:48, April 6, 2017 (UTC)

I've always imagined Stormheart to be his mate, and I agree with you on this, Stealth. We should just say she is his mate.TwistedSlice Of The Crow's Talon 03:27, 4/06/2017Broken_Foot 

You want to assume? No name, no cite. It's an assumption to say his mate was Stormheart. If it wasn't mentioned, then we do not add it. Jayce  ( 05:19, 4/06/2017 )

Nah, I don't think we could add it. It's one of those cases like how we know every cat was once a kit, because no cat just randomly appears as an adult, but we don't give them a cite for it. Similarly, while I personally think Stormheart is his mate, we can't add it due to our assumption rules. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 12:43, 4/06/2017

Plus, I'm going to add that it's very possible Mistfeather's mate was forgotten. Look at when Vicky forgot Flamenose in Goosefeather's Curse, and there are many other examples throughout the series. Unless something explicitly names Stormheart as Mistfeather's mate (and need a add that they didn't even interact), it brings down the credibility of the wiki if we start adding assumptions based on very little canonical evidence. Jayce  ( 13:24, 4/06/2017 )

I do think it is an assumption to say that Stormheart was Mistfeather's mate, but I still think it would be nice to include in the trivia that it is likely that she was his mate since no other she-cat we know died in the battle. 🏵️ Maple 🏵️ 00:54 Fri Apr 7

Yes I like that idea of putting it in trivia, but not being official. I would also suggest putting a note with the trivia so users won't think that it is good enough cite and add Stormheart as a mate. What does everyone else think?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:50, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Eh, I don't really like the idea of having it in trivia, because then we would have to add it in for other instances like that. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 02:10, 4/07/2017

i dont agree with it being added as trivia or a listing. as said she could've been forgotten and there's just no proof for it. someone will likely ask and it'll be answered or mentioned in a future book anyway. david 🌈 08:12, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Anymore comments?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 07:07, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, I think without a clear name, it's an assumption. Assumptions have no place in the articles, and therefore, I think it should be left alone. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:51, April 20, 2017 (UTC)


Alright, so I got the allegiances for Thunderstar's Echo in front of me, and the cats who aren't kits, apprentices, deputies, medicine cats, or leaders are called "Hunters". Should we add them as Hunters instead of Early Settlers, or both...? JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 00:36, 4/11/2017

Early Settlers aren't really a term used in the books so Hunters sounds like a more accurate name.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 10:23, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Anymore opinions? I agree with Stealth. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 19:19, 4/11/2017's literally been less than a day, and I'm pretty sure leads should be the only ones asking for more opinions on a discussion in any case. Regardless, I say add as just a Hunter, and then keep the ES listing if they have it from MFV. We didn't see some of these cats listed as Hunters in MFV, which shows that the Clans have further developed since then. I guess it'll be up to PCA whether these hunters get the warrior blank or the ES one. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 19:23, 4/11/2017

Well, yeah, but there have been other discussions going on. It doesn't hurt to ask. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 19:24, 4/11/2017`

Jaysnow, do not act like a lead in this case. Let the leads handle the "any more opinions" stuff. Snowdapple 19:31, 4/11/2017

Alright then. My apologies. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 19:32, 4/11/2017

hunter sounds fine as a name listing to me, tbh. they're not quite warriors yet. david 🌈 21:36, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

Ok so I'm just gonna bring this up. I don't know the actual page number, as I have not actually read TE yet, but Skye just showed me this quote: "his foster daughter - moth flight's youngest kit - had grown up to be a fine young ThunderClan warrior". Warrior. That means that they are considered warriors. When I read TE, I'll provide the page number, but until then, I'll leave it up to Skye. Snowdapple 03:33, 4/12/2017

Alright, I found the page. It's 229 of the legends of the clans book, chapter 1 of the novella. So what do we do with this new bit of info now? Snowdapple 16:51, 4/12/2017

I still stand by listing them as hunters, for the allegiances sake at least. They are listed as Hunters, so...if anything, perhaps we could list as both? For example, we list "Tunnelers" from TR as both warriors and Tunnelers, so perhaps we can list them as warriors and hunters. But they definitely need to be listed as hunters, if anything. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 17:55, 4/12/2017

I have another citation; warning spoilers for those who haven't read TE, but it says on page 288 and chapter 7: "But how could he look after tiny, helpless kits properly when he hadn't managed to protect his best friend, a powerful warrior?" Snowdapple 18:06, 4/12/2017

I'm for the listing of both, but only if said cat was called a warrior too, as in not every cat gets the warrior listing. (mostly because there isn't proof of that). otherwise fine with just having hunter listed. david 🌈 06:40, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

you know what I changed my mind. if it's agreed, then anyone listed as a hunter should get the other too if that happens. david 🌈 20:01, April 14, 2017 (UTC)

We should use the warrior blanks for them, since the Clan ways seemed to have been developed already—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 03:16, 4/15/2017

I agree with Broken. think we should use the warrior blanks. Also, Winter's cite says "Warrior", and that's probably not a mistake because they already have apprentices and deputies and things like that. ShypawDo the trickor treat 20:19, April 16, 2017 (UTC)ShypawDo the trickor treat

I just saw the allegiances it says Warriors (hunters), that seems like they are warriors, but I haven't read the book so no idea XDStealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:49, April 23, 2017 (UTC)

Darktail's Kin

so shattered sky spoilers here

With the listing of Darktail's Kin (referred to as the Kin in the book) would this warrant a page? or should it simply be listed as a subcategory in the Darktail's Group page, similar to Slash's Group? david 🌈 01:41, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I think that is more a World discussion, unless I'm wrong. I think it's the new name for Darktail's Group, or it was called that the entire time. Darktail's Group should be renamed.

Speaking of, we currently have Darktail's group as ShadowClan cats/rogues, but I think they should change to Darktail's Kin. I haven't read the book, but the allegiances show that ShadowClan currently is residing in ThunderClan, (Rowanstar, Tigerheart and Tawnypelt), who's left behind is Darktail's Kin. I think we should change it to as the allegiances say.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 10:27, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

they did still call themselves ShadoqClan in Thunder and Shadow, though, so that should probably stay and we can just add on thw Kin group. Jayce  ( 11:32, 4/11/2017 )

I dunno, I put it here here because it's also an allegiance issue thing too I guess. move it if you want. the thing is do we know they were going by the Kin in TAQ-TAS? that's my issue here. we definitely know they were rogues though, but not if that was the name then. david 🌈 19:16, April 11, 2017 (UTC)

I wouldn't have an issue with renaming Darktail's Group, but we could just mention somewhere that it was unnamed (to our knowledge) for some time. The book refers to all of those cats over and over as "the Kin", and so it probably should be changed. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 19:26, 4/11/2017

I think it should be a sub category in Darktail's Group page. I think it should stay consistent. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 19:27, 4/11/2017

another question while it's up here, if a cat is listed in the kin, do they get both a rogue listing as past and kin as current? or just the kin? this mostly applies to raven and rain I think. david 🌈 19:46, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

I would think they'd get both. I mean, it's kinda like how in DTC when Skystar had a camp, but it was called 'Clear Sky's Camp', because it wasn't organized as such yet. Then, the cats got the listing for that, and additionally for SkyClan after that was named SkyClan. In this case, it could be that cats that were with what is now the Kin before it was called that simply get a rogue listing or one for 'Darktail's Group'. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 20:57, 4/13/2017

They only started calling themselves the Kin after they took over ShadowClan, though? We never saw that before that, so wouldn't it be an assumption to label it as part of the same group that took over SkyClan's territory? Sure, they had some of the same cats (like Darktail himself), but unless they were called 'the Kin' during that time, we shouldn't combine the two, I don't think? Also, they were very much still ShadowClan after Darktail took over; that much is stated as such. Jayce  ( 21:02, 4/13/2017 )

To make clear, I was replying to Skt's comment on only Rain, Raven, + (if there are some others) that were part of the original group would get the Rogue rank, Darktail's Group affie, then also get the Kin listing. They wouldn't necessarily be combined, but they'd get both. It transitions from one to the other, and cats that were around during the transition get both, just like some of the DoTC cats did when the Clans were created. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 21:12, 4/13/2017

I haven't read the book but from what I can gather, they are definitely not ShadowClan. XD I think we should have them as Darktail's Kin, and Darktail's Group was a previous group. I think they should get a rank for it, (like 'Kin' or 'Darktail's Kin' or something) but they still are rogues, so they'll probably be treated similar to BloodClan. They are both groups of rogues trying to be Clans, but are not really.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:58, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

another question, you think they'd get a category similar to slash's cat, just darktail's cats or kin or smth? david 🌈 21:26, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Yes I'd say so.haven't read book yet so not 100% of anything here ><Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 03:38, April 22, 2017 (UTC)


it's me, your (un)favourite person. anyway, I was thinking maybe he should be renamed, since it seems similar to Gray Wing's case? was listed as such in sotc, was Lightning Tail right until his death and after, never mentioned as Lightningtail apart from that. I dunno. david 🌈 03:17, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. Kinda irks me that Gray Wing was renamed but not Lightning Tail.JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 03:18, 4/12/2017

Why would that irk you? We absolutely had 0% confirmation he died before he became Lightningtail. :/ Snowdapple 03:30, 4/12/2017

-shrugs- It just looks wrong because of all the Early Settlers names are spaced out and his isn't. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 03:31, 4/12/2017

So? It is not changed until there is confirmation. We don't go on hunches. Snowdapple 16:37, 4/12/2017

I think it should be renamed, so we stay consistent. Since his current residence is StarClan, and is listed as Lightning Tail there, then that's what the page name should reflect. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 17:48, 4/12/2017

Uh what more confirmation do we need? Like Skt said, he was only Lightningtail in Secrets of the Clans as opposed to all the other books he appeared in... JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 17:50, 4/12/2017

Again; so? We don't rename the page unless he was confirmed to have died as either Lightningtail or Lightning Tail. :/ Snowdapple 17:53, 4/12/2017

Oh, shoot. Forgot about that. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 17:53, 4/12/2017

And he died as Lightning Tail, so rename the page. Jayce  ( 19:50, 4/13/2017 )

Wahhh Lightning Tail's dead :'( Unless he appears in StarClan as Lightningtail (like Mothflight), then we should name his page Lightning Tail.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:00, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the comments stating Lightning Tail. Plus, Secrets of the Clans is pretty irrelevant at this point (though that's my personal opinion, do not get up in arms :P ).. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:53, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Shanty ~ Silver Nomination

I liked her. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 20:58, 4/14/2017

Comments before vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 06:44, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Vote's up!Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Crystal ~ Silver Nomination

Ik the main quote is a piece of that one dialogue I included, but I felt that as her best quote, but I wanted to keep the dialogue too. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 21:51, 4/14/2017

Comments before vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 06:44, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Vote's up!Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Ferris ~ Silver Nomination

ferris wheels :P spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 23:59, 4/14/2017

Comments before vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 06:44, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Vote's up!Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Rushtooth ~ Silver Nomination

I couldn't find anything quote worthy. Water 02:02, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Comments before the vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 03:40, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

the kittypet

...why does that guy even get an article? don't we have a minor characters article for a reason? he's not major in any way, and yes I'm aware cats like the old she-cat and the stranger exist. I'm of the opinion those shouldn't either. david 🌈 19:50, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

so then neither should Leafstar's mom, and Petal/Fox's mother, by that logic? Jayce  ( 19:55, 4/17/2017 )

I always thought the minor characters page was for cats who lacked proper history +/ a name. These characters seem to have a decent bit of history, at least, and a description so I think they should be kept. Especially Leafstar's Mother, though, since she appears in three different books.... spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 19:58, 4/17/2017

This is why I started to delete the page. This character should not get a page, and tbh neither should The Stranger or The Old she-cat. They are not major characters. They may have descriptions, but so do some of the characters on the minor character pages. I only think these unnamed characters should only get pages if they have linked family, for example Leafstar's mother and Petal/Fox's mother, and Featherkit (before he was named). I'm gonna have to agree with skt Snowdapple 20:02, 4/17/2017

And you had no right to, Winter. =\ Not without a discussion. The kittypet, along with some of the other unnamed cats, actually do something and aren't just half our allegiance-only cats. Jayce  ( 20:06, 4/17/2017 )

like I said via skype I can't agree with him getting an article when some of those minor characters have about as much relevance as he does. david 🌈 20:09, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

But technically some of the other minor characters that get mentioned with descriptions and no name do something too? They're either patrolling, some help the warriors, or some are fighting. We don't give every single unnamed character a page. Snowdapple 20:10, 4/17/2017

I definitely don't think we should get rid of pages for cats who are important and are related to another character, like Leafstar's Mother or Petal and Fox's mother. I also think we should also have pages for cats who have a description, a little bit of a history, and important dialogue. If they contribute to the plot and aren't a cat who's mentioned in only one or two lines, they should get a page, but regardless, if we're not going to have The Kittypet as a page, we shouldn't have the Old She-cat or The Stranger one either. – Ivy 20:41, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I swear I added this character to the minor characters page. Well, he is only there for a couple of lines. The Old She-cat and The Stranger however, are more than just a few lines, and have more personality. They should stay, but not the kittypet.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 21:34, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of pages, Darrel, Barley and Nightwhisper has mothers (and Nightwhisper has siblings, and Darrel has father and sister) that are in the minor characters pages. If we are doing pages for family relations, won't they get a page?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 21:55, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with Nightwhisper and them's parents/siblings getting a page. It's a different case, tbh. Cats like Leafstar's Mother actually do have an impact in the books, and even Petal/Fox's mother is mentioned a liberal amount. These other unnamed family members, unless significant, should stay on the minor characters page imo. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 22:47, 4/17/2017

Yeah, just to clarify my own comment, cats like Nightwhisper and Barley's parents are some of the one-line characters that I said shouldn't have a page. I meant that only family relationships that are somewhat important and in which the character is described with some amount of detail or is seen, like Leafstar's Mother or Petal/Fox's Mother. – Ivy 23:39, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

The kittypet sort of had a purpose and actually interacted with a cat in the story, so I think he should stay. I'm not sure about the others too, but if we have one for some of the mothers and such that still had something to do with the story, and interacted in some way, then we should keep it all. :) ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡICouldn'tSayIt To Myself 05:22, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I don't see how just getting beat up is really that important? you could say the same od a dozen minor characters. david 🌈 05:50, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

I personally think that characters without a major impact on the books should have a page, anyway. Regardless of how significant they are, we never know if they'll show up again and then the whole page will have to be written again. I think that we're better safe than sorry in keeping the pages of not just this character, but others. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:57, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

then by that we'd have to give like.....any cat that hasn't faded an article. it's too much for such minor characters. david 🌈 16:14, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

SkyClan's Ancestors

Alright, so since they're reunited with normal StarClan now, should we just list them all as StarClan, and have SkyClan ancestors be a past affiliation? JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 04:36, 4/19/2017

I wouldn't say have SkyClan ancestors be a past affie, because SkyClan ancestors and StarClan are pretty much the same thing. ❄Star❄ show yourself, i'm ready to learn<05:23, 4/19/2017>

No, it should be a past affiliation. SkyClan Ancestors were distinctively separate from StarClan for some time. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡICouldn'tSayIt To Myself 05:30, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

Agreeing with Winterpaw.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 06:42, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

I find myself agreeing with keeping it as a past affiliation. They were separate. --PyroNacht (talk) 20:58, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

They should definitely be seperate. They were like the two rival Clans of the skies, minus the rival part. dan 21:46, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Batear ~ Silver Nomination

I'm hoping to do his charart image if we can get our computer set up in time. Thanks to David for writing the history and helping out, and a few others. :) (This is my first nomination) ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡICouldn'tSayIt To Myself 06:54, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Comments before vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Fenneldust ~ Silver Nomination

Once again, thanks to David and others for their help. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡICouldn'tSayIt To Myself 07:12, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Comments before vote?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 02:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Houndleap ~ Silver Nomination

Thanks to Water, .Trollsky, Spooky and Snowed. This is my first nomination and I have no idea what I'm doing or if this is right. ShypawDo the trickor treat 17:03, April 22, 2017 (UTC)ShypawDo the trickor treat

The article's history isn't finished. When Spottedpaw returns with the bracken, she has a conversation with him and treats his wound. Pretty sure he's mentioned a little after that in her talk with Thistleclaw, too. And, I do believe he'd have at least one suitable quote from that spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 17:57, 4/22/2017

Fixed I think I got it. I'll get to the quote later, though. ShypawDo the trickor treat 18:17, April 22, 2017 (UTC)ShypawDo the trickor treat

Fixed Sorry for the delay on the quote. Hopefully this one's good enough. ShypawDo the trickor treat 21:34, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Vickys Facebook and Sus characters

Alright guys, im sorry about this. But everything that we have put on for the missing kits has to go, as they are proven to be fan characters and not canon seen here. Vicky is the actual author for these books, and while su has done everything that she could for us about these missing kits, Vicky proves that these characters are not canon, and therefore should not exist on this wiki. :( Snowdapple 22:23, 4/24/2017

I won't disagree, but I wil say that if we remove everything we added from Su's cites we would be waisting months of time, not only missing kits but all the descriptions, residences, and family relationships revealed outside of the project would have to be removes as well. I just don't like the fact we wasted a lot of time, not only having a discussion that took several months, but also adding all these things. Water 22:45, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

didn't she say su was checking these with her or something similar? is this just being ignored now? (not being hostile or anything just???) david 🌈 22:47, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Skt, that was said. Vicky just took it back now I guess... JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 22:48, 4/24/2017

I hadn't seen that post up until about five seconds ago, but I do think that we will have to remove all the stuff related to the Missing Kits posts since Vicky explicitly states that they're not canon. She did say that she had checked it all with Vicky (which still appears to be true from what Vicky said) but I guess that even though the suggestions are approved, that doesn't make them canon. My apologies for just adding a bunch of stuff from the most recent Missing Kits, oops – Ivy 22:49, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Is everything confirmed by Su non-canon, or just the missing kits? ErmineGlow (talk) 22:54, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

only says missing kits. does this stuff get relegated to trivia now or what? david 🌈 22:56, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

"I am also grateful to Susi for posting her ideas for the Missing Kits on this page. I have said it before and I'll say it again, these are Susi's suggestions, NOT canon." So it seems like Vicky's saying Su's overall ideas are not canon...? Because she talks about stuff that's been posted on the page, which is more than the Missing Kits. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 23:00, 4/24/2017

she references 'her oc's' though, which seems to only be implying the ones who were made from scratch? not ones like skunkpaw and the like. to me, anyway. david 🌈 23:01, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Others may read it differently, but the way I see the post, only the missing kits are not canon. So while we'd have to scrap a good lot of images and info, we only have to remove missing kits stuff. However, I do think it might be smart to ask Vicky to clarify on one thing. She says that it might've been fun to let Su share her OCs, but that they aren't canon. Before Vicky leaves for good, maybe we can ask if some of the other stuff (like -kit -apprentice) rank confirmations aren't canon too. As of the post, they aren't, but it seemed like Vicky just didn't want to conform the series to these new characters. The ones who don't appear would get tossed, but some of them quite honestly appear a fair amount? At least, to the limit a minor character can. To throw in, if all her ideas are false, the eye color confirmations probably get removed too. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 23:03, 4/24/2017

@Skt, yeah, that would include Skunkpaw and others. I'm guessing it means Su's OCs overall are going to be given the axe then. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 23:04, 4/24/2017

if it only includes the missing kits, skunkpaw and such wouldn't be scrapped. they appeared, just were given names and descriptions. that still has to be decided first, of course. david 🌈 23:06, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think Skunkpaw would count since he wasn't actually revealed through Missing Kits. The way I'm reading the post, only stuff from Missing Kits is what Vicky has explicity stated is non-canon and thus the only stuff that should be removed yet. As far as the Missing Kits, though, I don't think that should even be in trivia, since Vicky literally says that they're Su's "OCs". – Ivy 23:07, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Ive been trying to post this for like 15 minutes lol everyone stop commenting gawsh :p

But shouldnt we take the word of the author herself? This is nothing against Susi, but Vicky did explicitly state these characters are non canon, which means they are fan characters. She even says they are Su's OCs! I guess shes taking back her word now, im on board with you skt, im just as confused. If i may ask, if we get rid of everyone elses fan characters why are we not allowed to get rid of Su's? I mean yes, its months of work down the drain, but sometimes it happens, and theres nothing we can really do about it. If this is a canon only wiki, we should get rid of Su's fan characters. She may have been vickys helper, but thats not fair to anyone else tbh, as i asked above Snowdapple 23:15, 4/24/2017

lul sorry guess everyone has....feelings about it. I guess if she said it as basically her last thing as an author of this series that the missing kits aren't canon.....but yeah if it's decided missing kits only, I don't see why we can't keep the non missing kits, as characters who appeared in the series (like ivy said above, at worst they can be put into minor characters I guess) and keep the descriptions and such if it's not explicitly applied to those. IF I make sense. david 🌈 23:20, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

I think we should still ask Vicky about all the other stuff Su confirmed, I don't want to have to remove everything, but I think we should know if big lists of descriptions, and big lists of residences are still canon or not. Water 23:26, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Gonna have to agree with Winter here. Vicky just said they weren't canon, so they need to be removed. Appledash the light of honor 23:38, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

I think we should ask and get confirmation to avoid any further confusion. Better to ask and learn that maybe SOME of it was canon, rather than delete it all and find out it was canon later. dan 23:41, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

What about already canon cats like Splashkit or Morningkit? Should we just remove the description and StarClan affliation or treat it all as canon? ErmineGlow (talk) 23:43, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

@Ermie, I think they should be removed because Vicky says they are Su's suggestions. I'm guessing that means everything she's confirmed. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 23:44, 4/24/2017

Guys youre all missing this point here. The post says the missing kits only. :/ Snowdapple 23:48, 4/24/2017

The Missing Kits really helped with peoples curiosity over the unknown family trees though. Besides Vicky only turned on her previous statement because of the backlash imo. Any who I think we should wait for a more clear reply from Vicky. It would take lots of work to get rid of all the edits and they I really like them.--Firepup16 (talk) 23:59, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

What if we make a category or warning of some sort stating that it's not really canon? Purplee03 (talk) 00:02, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

@Purplee03 because if it's not really canon then it shouldn't be in here. Water 00:04, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Im gonna say this again. There should be no other confirmation if this post is confirmation itself? She literally says the missing kits arent canon. If theyre not canon we need to get rid of them, as they are fan characters. And those are not allowed on this encyclopedia. Snowdapple 00:48, 4/25/2017

Wow how did I not get an email about this discussion? It feels like something exploded O.O Her post seems vague honestly (actually, some of her other posts seem to be following that too) so I'd say just ask for clarification. What does she mean? Just the missing kits? Or everything Su has ever said? Because honestly it was said before that it was canon, so we're getting mixed messages here.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:59, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, as annoyed as I am about this... because it does seem like something that was done because of the Spottedleaf's Heart backlash... I think we need more clarification, due to the conflicting messages. Stealth, you're on Facebook (pretty sure I've seen you there before anyways), could you ask Vicky about this? You're one of the few I've seen who hasn't been hostile or rude in their messages. While Vicky only said the missing kits, I do think a more concrete answer is necessary. Vicky knew we were using this on the wiki; why did she wait months and months to say this, especially after praising the wiki countless times? =/ Jayce  ( 02:03, 4/25/2017 )

HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS AND THIS. Now what do we do? Jayce  ( 12:07, 4/25/2017 )

Why do people have to be so disgusting? And I really don't even know anymore... JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 12:14, 4/25/2017

Damn, I didn't think they'd actually go that far. Since everything's gone, we lost the leader list confirmations + a bunch of other stuff so like. The only thing we have is that one vvcap screencap of the missing kits, which is now useless, so I guess maybe we ask around to see whos got old screencaps??? Honestly we should've screencapped everything since the beginning but. The past is the past. It's really sad that the fandom has stooped to this level. I used to have a bunch saved but I deleted them because why keep screencaps?? However, I do suppose we could send a request to Kate for some of the bigger more simple things like the Owl Eyes/ Owlstar (SoTC) merge confirmation etc. because those are kinda important.. spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 12:18, 4/25/2017

I can't believe this happened, I feel really bad for Su, and now many of our pages have links to nowhere. Should the be all removed? because as of now, cats like Shinecloud never existed. Water 12:19, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Hey there I wanted to drop in and tell you guys that over in the German Wiki we've made screenshots of a lot of Su's answers (though I'm afraid that some will be missing :/). Feel free to use those (at least if you decide to keep Su's information). If not, sorry for bothering Dewdropᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 12:33, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

Along with the above offer from the German Wiki (thank you Dewdrop- I will stop by shortly- which I can help translate as I'm a fluent speaker of German), I think we should wait for anger to subside before we make a clear decision. Many of us (including me) are extremely angry about the fandom (rightfully so).. --PyroNacht (talk) 16:43, April 25, 2017 (UTC)

It's upsetting about what happened to Su, but we still need to act upon what Vicky has said. If what she said was (and rightfully so) "these are NOT canon", then we need to remove the missing kits lists, end of story. Su even told me that she fears Vicky won't clarify what she has said for at least half a year, due to the fandom's hate. She said Vicky is trying to get as far away as possible from her page for a long while. I'm not going to link anything here, as this was in PM, and Su has told me she doesn't want anything she says to people in private to be public, if that makes any sense? But we still need to get rid of the missing kits at least, as that was what Vicky literally said. She didn't say anything about anything else Su has said, except for the missing kits.

On a side note, Su also told me she's done with the Warriors fandom now and "It was a pleasure to meet you and everyone else. I have many new friends now and I'm glad I could help a bit." Snowdapple 22:00, 4/25/2017

Poor Su and Vicky! What is wrong with people????? I will do ask Snowed asked, because it is a good idea but I think we should wait until things blow over (what the heck is going on with world?? I guess that's social media) when things are calmed down and Su and Vicky will be more inclined to go on facebook, then I'll go ask. Man, if only everyone was as polite as Snowed says about me. But I know everyone here is awesome already XD seeing these comments makes me feel so proud of being a part of this community.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 22:24, April 25, 2017 (UTC)


It might be something wrong with my computer, but where the templates change? They look a bit smaller (Even though this might be me) and a bunch of information that isn't supposed to be shown is there. Shinecloud's for example. Water 00:27, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

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