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Ordering of History on Character Pages

Hey all. I was just editing Longtail's page, moving the super edition arc to sit above the Original Series arc since that's how we do things, but then I wondered...

Why can't we just keep the character pages in chronological order so they make more sense? And that way users scrolling down the pages won't get spoiled about Firestar's Quest when they're just looking up something from Fire and Ice.

And if a character, for instance, appears in both Bluestar's Prophecy and Firestar's Quest, then I suppose we could have two separate sections for super editions. Wouldn't be so difficult in my opinion.

Anyway, just a thought. Take it or leave it. Shelly _{For a limited time only} 03:35, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I've always wondered why we didn't do it that way. I never thought to bring it up because I thought I'd get shot down, but nice to know I'm not alone. When I first started reading Warriors, with the SE's at the top, I got spoiled with a lot of info even though I tried just scrolling past it. I agree that it should go chronilogically instead. Iveh Yo! 04:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should have the main series first, /then/ have the super editions, graphic novels, ect. I'm not entirely sure we can do it chronologically, because we don't have an official timesetting for some of them, like SkyClan's Destiny, and the Ravenpaw and SkyClan graphic novels. So, unless you want to have assumptions as to where they go, I think just moving the entire section down to below the main arc. Personally, I think it should go

Main Arcs -> Super Editions -> Novellas (since they are still stories) -> Short Stories/Plays -> Field Guides -> Graphic Novels

Or, at least something like that. Don't shoot me, but I don't think separating the Super Editions and things like that would be a good idea. They should all be within the same grouping...because we don't actually know the ordering for some of them. Like, take for example SkyClan's Destiny. We know it come after Firestar's Quest and before Midnight. But, does it come before or after Ravenpaw's Path? Added to the SkyClan and the Stranger novels...where do /they/ fit into the timeline? There's an whole tangent I could go off on about the ordering of the books, but, I stand by keeping the sections together. —Jayce(04:57, 9/25/2012)

I think that the pages are fine as they are, the way that they're orginized now is easier for newer users, to understand where everything goes. If we had super editions scattered around the history, and a new user wanted to add one, for instance Yellowfang's Secret when it comes out, they'll be lost as to where to put it. Though, I wouldn't be opposed to doing what Cloudy suggested. -Ducksauce 11:42, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, it makes sense as to the confusion on where some of the special books would go, chronologically. However, I do think the main 4 story arcs should go first, as that is probably what readers will be reading first (plus they are the most affordable. I think the price tag on mangas is rediculous). You've changed my mind Cloudy. Iveh Yo! 15:13, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I find it fine. There's a spoiler tag and users should read at their own risk. It was decided in 2010 to have this set order and I see no valid reason why we should change it. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind going by cloudys order of events. As pointed out above the main arcs are the major arcs and the ones users are most likely to read first. So I'm with Cloudy's suggestion. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC) (DJ)

Hmmm.... ya know, Teldy's right, the order was agreed on, and the spoiler tag's there way above the history. If they don't want something spoiled, they shouldn't be reading the history. The order seems fine as is I think. Paleh Send help 01:36, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Half Moon name

the first in a series of discussions till my to-do list is empty Alrighty, so I'm running on very little sleep and am kind brain-dead right now, so I'll just skip to the point. I think we should change Half Moon's page name, and possible her name in the charcat. She was called Stoneteller once. And we have no proof that she took that on as a name rather than just a rank, like leader/healer. She has since been mentioned consistently as Half Moon, not Stoneteller, including all through TLH. Jayfeather even still calls her that. It's very possible that the tradition of taking that as their name may not have started yet, as she was the first Stoneteller after all. So with that all in mind, I propose that we change the page name back to Half Moon, and possibly removing Stoneteller as a name from her charcat completely unless further proof can be found that she did take it on as a name. Even if proof of that is found, it's still clear that Half Moon is her current name, and the page name should be changed regardless. Thoughts? Paleh Send help 08:19, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you Paleh. Since she was apparently "the first Stoneteller", the tradition probably didn't actually start til after her. After all, the founding Clan leaders apprently never took on the "-star" suffix, and Half Moon was only called "Stoneteller" once, anyways. o3o ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade! 08:26 Wed Sep 26}

Someone told me the reason her name is how it is was because even Jayfeather called her Stoneteller. But, that was only one time. We have proof after the events of Sign of the Moon that contradict that statement. She's been called Half Moon by //every// other cat who has been in contact with her; even after she died, and a new cat succeeded her as leader/healer/Stoneteller/ect. If she's still called Half Moon /after/ her death, it's pretty clear to me that her name was never Stoneteller. I agree with moving the page back to 'Half Moon'. We're pretty much assuming she took the name, when it's pretty obvious she didn't. —Jayce(08:32, 9/26/2012)

I never thought about that, but you're completely right. I'm not 100% on removing it from her page altogether just yet, but undoubtedly, her name did not change. Like the first leaders, they were called Thunderstar, Windstar, ect once and they are not listed as such. Iveh Yo! 15:38, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. She was called Half Moon after her death, so that most likely means her name didn't change. RowanOnly One Can Judge... 16:56, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you all. Obviously the Ancients/Tribe had no intention of calling her that, it would just seem like a title at the time. No one calls Firestar "leader" when talking to him.--.Boos ^{Dinosaurs on a} Spaceship! 21:06, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, what more can I say, what ith everything that's already been said? -Ducksauce 21:41, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree that her name is Half Moon, but I feel I should point out this. It's linked in the trivia on Rock's page. Vicky states that though Rock was the first Healer, it was Half Moon that held the title and name of Stoneteller to begin with. So the author statement should be taken into account. Maybe Stonetellers take on their old name when they die to avoid confusion in the Tribe of Endless Hunting or something. Shelly _{For a limited time only} 21:54, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

It never says anything about her taking the name, just the title. Unless I'm looking at the wrong part of the page of course (which I very well might be... derp). But that's even more reason for me to think that she never took on the name, just the title, as Vicky doesn't mention it. Paleh Send help 23:29, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that she shoudl be called Half Moon. In SoTM, Jayfeather calls her Stoneteller once. The book still refers to her as Half Moon. Doesn't mean she didn't take on the title though. But idk, that's just me. david ^🌈 01:40, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I've added trivia to her page about this confusion, but if we do change the page name back to Half Moon, what would we add to her charchart next to her Healer rank? "Unknown, possibly Stoneteller or Half Moon"? Seems a bit lacking, I'm sure someone else can come up with a better way to handle it. Shelly _{For a limited time only} 16:14, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with changing her name to Half Moon. She never was actually named as Teller of the Pointed Stones so therefore we are assuming she received her name. As for the name on the charcat, I say unknown would do, as we aren't really sure if her name was half moon or stone teller. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC) (DJ)

I'm pretty sure we'd add Unknown into the charcat because that's what we've done on mose other pages.(here, here, and here) =3 -Ducksauce 20:23, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? -Ducksauce 21:53, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Content Drive

The content drive has been Onestar for over a year and two months now, and I think it's safe to say that he's article needs not be the content drive. So with that, who do you guys think needs to be the content drive? Or, do we even need a content drive currently? Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:23, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if we really need one, I quickly browsed through a few articles, and maybe Squirrelflight(quite a bit of her history could use expansion) or Sharpclaw (SC) (All of his history needs to be expanded, especially SkyClan's Destiny). I dunno, just a few ideas. =3 -Ducksauce 22:59, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Sharpclaw is an idea, and while we may have to nominate already "silver" (or maybe even gold) characters, I'd like to hold off on that until we have all possible bronze, started, or planned characters out of the way. =) Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I decided to go through the started, and bronze categories, and I have two more suggestions, Bird That Rides the Wind (needs expansion to history and more quotes), and Smallear(All of his history needs expansion, especially BP, also the quotes could be gone through). So, yeah, just throwing ideas out there. owo -Ducksauce 20:32, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Allegiance Only Category

~On the second day of discussions Atelda gave to me; a cool wiki clock and brand new family trees~

So I was thinking, since we have Main, major, supporting, and minor categories for characters, why don't we have an Allegiance Only characters category? Always thought it might be a useful thing to have, and it can never hurt to have more categories to keep things more organized. What do you guys think? Paleh Send help 22:14, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

I love this idea, like you said, it would keep everything organized. =D -Ducksauce 02:09, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Paleh, I agree. Having an allegiance only characters category would make it easier to organize the character pages, since they don't really fit in with minor character, because they're less than minor o3o ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 02:17 Fri Sep 28

ihu I agree. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Agreeing 100%. 109.68.196.193 20:10, October 1, 2012 (UTC)(DJ)

This would be used for characters like Leaftail, correct? Personally, I think it's a good idea.. —Jayce(20:35, 10/1/2012)

I don't know if it would be for Leaftail, as he was mentioned outside of the allegiances. =3 -Ducksauce 20:18, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Well, true. But, he was mentioned, and not actually shown. His name was seriously said /one time/. And even then, it was in passing. To me, that still counts as an allegiance only, since he didn't actually physically appear. —Jayce(20:20, 10/4/2012)

Have we come to a conclusion on this? -Ducksauce 02:50, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think everyone's in agreement that the category should be made, however I think we should discuss a bit more about whether characters who were only ever mentioned in the book, and never appeared, would be in that category. Personally, I think they shouldn't. It's allegiances only category. If they're mentioned anywhere outside the allegiances, even if they didn't appear, I think they would no longer fit in that category, and should stay minor characters. Paleh Send help 19:25, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Official art contradiction to new descriptions?

Oh whee another discussion. Teldy must love me~

so I've been talking to a few people about this over a period of time, and I figured I'd bring it up. I think we should use the official art (CotC, manga, book covers, etc.) as proof against descriptions that seem like obvious mistakes. Like, say Cinderpelt was described as a tabby (she was described as a pale gray one, but that's a totally different story...), we all know she's not one, but she's never been called solid to contradict that. However we have official art for her that shows her as solid. I think we should use it in those cases. Now I know a lot of you are probably gonna argue that the official art has too many mistakes and that we can't use it, but really, the books have more mistakes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't trust them and be able to cite them. We'd just have to trust them unless we have proof against it, just like any book description.

What do you guys think? Paleh Send help 03:08, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

ihu They are official since they're published in the books, but I don't think the artists are aware of the descriptions in the book, or if they are, it's probably a vague idea though I'm assuming. But I do agree that we should have pictures representing the official art since even the books have description mistakes, of course, unless it's contradicted. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:29, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

They're published by HC, and released by them. Therefore, the designs shown in them are canon, regardless of whether we like it or not. We used the manga for descriptions before, so what makes this any different? We'd just be using them to contradict descriptions, and I think the artist that draw them /are/ aware of the descriptions. Perhaps they're given a copy of the characters present on the books, and the storyline, or something like that. I'm not sure how that goes, but since they /are/ official, they should be put to good use. —Jayce(20:34, 10/1/2012)

I agree with everyone above me, these are official art pieces, and therefore should be considered a valid cite for descriptions. -Ducksauce 01:23, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Lichen - Lichenfur, assumption?

I've been thinking about this for a while, and thought I might brign up the question here to see what you guys think. Is saying Lichen is Lichenfur an assumption? Their descriptions weren't exactly the same, there was no mention of Lichen getting a name change, and as far as I know, there's no proof that they're actually the same cat. I mean, yes, it seems obvious and would make sense, but it seems like an assumption to me. I s'pose we could try and ask Vicky, but right now from current book proof, I don't think we have any confirmation it's her. It could be argued that since it did say Lichen joined SkyClan, and there was no other cats names Lichen that we can safely assume it's her, and that her fur could have faded to gray, but it still seems kind of far fetched to take that as proof in my opinion. Thoughts? Paleh Send help 22:06, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I think that it's an assumption, though I'm pretty sure we have some solid ground to stand on..Boos ^{Dinosaurs on a} Spaceship! 19:15, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Adderfang, Spottedleaf's father?

I'm very unsure about this, so hopefully you guys can help come to a decision. Here a fan asks which of Spottedleaf's parents was a SkyClan descendant, Adderfang or Swiftbreeze, Vicky states that she thinks it's Adderfang. Now we have no cite for Adderfang being Spottedleaf's father, however in here, Vicky shows no doubt in Adderfang being Spottedleaf's father, just in him being a SkyClan descendant. However since she did include the word think in there, I'm unsure whether to add it. What do you guys think, should we add it as a cite for him being her father, or no? Paleh Send help 22:06, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that that's what we should do, and add the bit to the trivia about him possibly being a SkyClan descendent into his trivia. But then it would raise the question of which one of his parents were the SkyClan descendent if he were proven to. I hope I make sense..Boos ^{Dinosaurs on a} Spaceship! 19:18, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think that's enough to cite him as their father. -Ducksauce 20:25, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

I believe that's enough proof...since Vicky didn't say she /thinks/ Adderfang was the father, but instead said that she thinks he's the SkyClan descendant. Because if Adderfang wasn't the father, I think she would have said so. —Jayce(20:30, 10/1/2012)

I don't know because Adderfang couldn't be the only cat in ThunderClan to have had a SkyClan ancestor. Spottedleaf could've gotten her SkyClan blood from somewhere else. If we have no proof that he is the father, we can't add it. Although she never really did say that he wasn't... This is a dilemma. It could really go either way, I guess. oblivion^Audience? 02:40, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky says she thinks. If we use this to cite Addefang as Spottedleaf and sibling's father, we may as well change Gorseclaw (WC)'s description to what Kate thought it was. These are the author's thoughts and opinions on the matter. The key word in that comment is think, Vicky says "I think it's Adderfang" not "It's Adderfang". So no, I don't think we should use this to cite Adderfang as the father of Spottedleaf. ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 07:08 Wed Oct 3

Yes, but Vicky is talking about thinking that Adderfang has SkyClan blood. She shows no appearent hesitation to him as their father. -Ducksauce 12:19, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Exactly, if she was unsure of him being her father, don't you think she would have said something? She only said she thinks her was a SkyClan descendant. Paleh Send help 16:08, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Badgerpaw - Badgerfang?

K, I know probably no one's read it yet, but after Badgerpaw's death, they refer to him as Badgerfang, at least more than once. Would this be enough to have him renamed as Badgerfang? david ^🌈 00:33, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oooooooh, would that mean he gets a warrior image as well? xD That would be amazing. Anyways, if he's //called// Badgerfang, then I don't see why not. As long as it can be cited... and I used the browse inside and found at least three mentions. That's good enough for me. —Jayce(23:16, 10/9/2012)

Sorry, but I don't think that that's enough, he never had a ceremony, and it was basically a nickname. If we did that, then we might as well make Heathertail a leader charart and categorize her as a leader, from the game she was playing when she was an apprentice. Sorry, but that's my opinion. =3 -Ducksauce 00:42, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Now that I'm finished reading the book, I think his page should be renamed, after his death they only call him Badgerfang. -Ducksauce 21:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

That still doesn't make it more than an honored nickname. Badgerpaw died an apprentice, technically still a kit. Unless he was seen in StarClan as a warrior and there he answers to the name Badgerfang or something, I wouldn't change his page name. Shelly _{For a limited time only} 22:39, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

I say no as well. There was no ceremony; Flintfang only called him Badgerfang after he died. Just because Yellowfang (wow, a lot of -fangs here) called him Badgerfang does not mean that it is his official name. It was done to honour him. oblivion^Audience? 02:59, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Flintfang does say, however, that he gave him his warrior name before he died. It doesn't say a nickname, or anything of the sort. It actually says his warrior name. —Jayce(03:03, 10/17/2012)

Well I haven't read it to really understand the situation enough, but if it really did say what cloudy said, then I'd fully support making that his name. Paleh Send help 18:59, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, so what the heck would his rank be after that? I don't believe he was ever made an official warrior, even if he got a new name, however he did get the name. And currently he has a switch template between kit and apprentice, since he was still kit age. So would he have a switch between warrior and kit then? Or all three? o.o Paleh Send help 19:15, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

I read that part today, and I fully believe that he should be considered a warrior. A medicine cat's word is about as law-abiding as a leader or deputy, and Flintfang asked her if it was ok, in which she replied that it was, and no cat questioned them. I think that even Brokenstar nodded his head in agreement. Iveh Yo! 23:16, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

I think that he could be renamed so that he is 'Badgerfang', but I'm not sure about the image situation.  Stoneclaw 01:14,11/3/2012   01:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Troutfin

I don't have the book, but it seems that the name Troutfin was changed back to Milkfur in the official release. So, what, delete the page and make trivia on Milkfur's page about the mistake? Or what? Shelly _{For a limited time only} 19:24, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Delete the page, yes, since the character isn't used, I'd say. Trivia sounds like a good idea, too.... —Jayce(20:19, 10/10/2012)

Agreed. And make a redirect page, like we did for Moonflower's other name (wasn't she called Duskflower?) and Hunchfoot. Iveh Yo! 20:23, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Moonflower /was/ called Duskflower, yes. A redirect would be a good idea too, since it's clear they fixed the obvious error. —Jayce(20:31, 10/10/2012)

I agree with everything above, he wasn't in the book so he shouldn't get a page. -Ducksauce 21:52, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Cloudpelt's Mentor

Okay, even though I joined 5 minutes ago this seems important to me, in Battles of the Clans Cloudpelt's mentor is Crowtail, while in Yellowfang's Secret it is Raggedstar. Currently his mentor is Crowtail and Raggedstar's mentorship is a mistake. On Crowtail's page Cloudpelt is her apprentice. It has been disproved by Yellowfang's Secret that Brokenstar is Raggedstar's apprentice, and on Raggedstar's page Cloudpelt is his apprentice and not Brokenstar. If Brokenstar is not his apprentice then Cloudpelt needs to be, or vice-versa, because if both aren't then Raggedstar dosen't have the one apprentice requirement for leader. On Brokenstars page Nightpelt and Raggedstar are listed as mentors, while it should be only one. On Nightpelt's page it lists Brokenstar as his apprentice. We need to decide which to trust, Secrets of the Clans and Battles of the Clans, or Yellowfang's Secret. I think we should change it to the way it's listed in Yellowfang's Secret way because Secrets of the Clans has had mistakes before. Comments and opinions? I rambled a while, I know. Shimmer♫ 03:06, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Vicky told us through a Facebook comment to trust the super editions more than the field guides. I think, based upon that knowlege, we should list it as Raggedstar. Appledash ^{the light of honor} 03:14, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I never knew about the post, but I knew the field guides were wrong. Battles of the Clans explains why Crowtail's and Cloudpelt's are wrong, but I don't know about the others.Shimmer♫ 03:27, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I think that if they were seen in a book about their Clan that it should stay the way they were most often seen, which, in Cloudpelt's case is Raggedstar, and Brokenstar's is Nightstar. x3 -Ducksauce 11:26, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I guess I'll go change it, since everybody seems to agree.Shimmer♫ 22:31, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

...It's been a day since you've posted this, only three people have commented of which includes you and this project has 19 listed members. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:37, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Oh.. Okay, I'm new at this. I'll change it back. Sorry!Shimmer♫ 23:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

If Vicky said to trust the super editions, then we should. I agree that we should put Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. ^Sil_ver^hmm 23:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that Raggedstar is Cloudpelt's mentor. The field guides have too many mistakes; we should follow along with the super editions, not just because Vicky said so, but because there's way more true fact in them than the SE's. :3 ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 08:12 Thu Oct 18

Yes, with the super editions we have way more proof of what was real, and they go into more depth about the characters, instead of just stating things like in a short story, so I agree that we should state Raggedstar as Cloudpelt's mentor. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 01:45, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Or you could, you know, list both. Like I did on Russetfur's page. Not that hard. And make a mention of it in the trivia. Even if the SE's are more reliable, we gotta be impartial in this I believe. Shelly _{For a limited time only} 20:30, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Listing both, like on Brokenstar's page as well, seems fine. Just make sure it's mentioned in the trivia. oblivion^Audience? 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Since they're both official, we can't trust one over the other in any circumstance. I'm fine with both being listed. However, shouldn't it be like with descriptions? Most common should be the one used, or first if used equally. That'd make it Raggedstar I believe. But again, I have no problems with both being listed. Paleh Send help 21:21, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Making Assumptions for the Status Template?

Recently, I've noticed that many characters have deceased, suspected StarClan member on their status template, even though, for many, their deaths were never seen or mentioned. They just stopped showing up. It's perfectly possible that they didn't die. I know it's been a long time between Yellowfang's Secret/Crookedstar's Promise/Bluestar's Prophecy and The Last Hope, but who knows? A cat might have left the Clan to become a kittypet. My cat lived to be eighteen, and I know some domestic cats can live even longer, so a warrior could definitely still be alive.

(I don't know if this is going to be really, really long, but I've made a complete list of every character this applies to because it needs to be done eventually: Beetlenose, Birdsong, Brackenfoot, Brightflower, Brownpaw, Cedarpelt, Dawncloud, Dawnbright, Deerfoot, Echomist, Fallowtail, Featherstorm, Frogleap, Fuzzypelt, Grasskit (CP), Lakeshine, Mallowtail, Morningflower, Mudclaw (SC), Newtspeck, Nutwhisker, Ottersplash, Owlfur, Petaldust, Piketooth, Poolcloud, Pricklekit (RC), Reedfeather, Reedtail, Rippleclaw, Robinwing (TC), Rowanberry, Scorchwind, Sedgecreek, Shimmerpelt, Skyheart, Snowkit (OS), Softwing, Stumpytail, Sunfish, Tangleburr, Timberfur, Toadskip, Vixenkit, Voleclaw, Wetfoot, Windflight, and Wolfstep.)

Now that^ is a long list and it needs to be fixed. Oh, and please forgive if there's any errors or missing characters in that list, or if they really have died; I just went through their articles to see if a cause of death had been mentioned.

I think it's safe to assume that the Field Guide cats are long dead, but what about these cats? It's very possible that they could still be alive. I think they should be listed as status unknown until any evidence of death can be found. Thoughts? oblivion^Audience? 09:14, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with removing it and adding status unknown, just like you said, anything could have happened. x3 -Ducksauce 12:27, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

This I agree with. It's said by one of the Erins, that only ThunderClan gets a full list within the main arcs, Firestar's Quest, and Bluestar's Prophecy. I think it was also said that there are many more cats than what's shown in the allegiances of a book, but we don't see them due to them being minor characters, and not enough time to include them all. —Jayce(14:32, 10/30/2012)

Yeah, guys, I thought we had this discussion already. Besides, look at ThunderClan, the Clan of the long-lived, invicible warriors. It's totally possible these cats could be alive (though I doubt Birdsong would still be alive, but we can't assume) Iveh Yo! 16:00, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Mallowfur - Silver Nomination

I checked, and the history is expanded to the max and she has the only quote that describes her. Comments? -Ducksauce 23:10, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

Cite her warrior name and add her post-death with a cite, otherwise I see nothing wrong. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 20:57, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Finished, though she was never mentioned as a warrior so I changed it to her given name. -Ducksauce 21:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

CBV? -Ducksauce 02:38, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

Vote is up. However, if she's never mentioned as a warrior, she shouldn't get a charart then, correct? Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think so, but Aspentail got one and I don't think she was ever mentioned as a warrior(If I remember right, I don't have Code of the Clans right now so I can't check). Would you like me to remove it? -Ducksauce 22:29, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, she wasn't, and so both Mallowfur and Aspentail have chararts despite their rank being unknown. Let's not remove it yet and see what the others think. Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 22:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

There's a few more characters to add to that list, Brightspirit, Shiningheart's warrior, and Braveheart. x3 -Ducksauce 22:32, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

We've given countless characters warrior images without them being called then. It should be changed to given name, yes, but to have that name they usually have to have been a warrior at some point. Unless it's hinted or implied in any way that they were possibly an MC, I think it's safe to give them warrior images since they have warrior names. I think them going on like hunting patrols and such would be a decent cite too IHMO. Paleh Send help 21:05, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

"She purrs and tells him that even though she was a warrior of StarClan now," if she was never stated as a warrior, that sentence should be changed a bit... Ignore that, I just looked at the quote. It does say she's a warrior of StarClan, so I think you can cite that. Paleh Send help 21:06, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Nominations

Pixie - Silver Nomination

Added the only quotes that showed her personality and the history looks good. Comments? =D -Ducksauce 21:34, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

In the first paragraph of Yellowfang's Secret, can you just explain/put in that they are at the Twoleg place? ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 17:24, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Finished. =) -Ducksauce 12:29, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hawkfoot ~ Silver Nomination

Comments? Atelda _{insert vague subtext here} 20:25, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Are there any more quotes that can be added? --User:Starry Hawk/Sig 01:21, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

I think the quotes she has are fine, honestly. She's a minor character with very few speaking parts. —Jayce(01:26, 10/31/2012)

Curlkit ~ Silver Nomination

This cat's warrior name should be Curlfeather. 8D Anyways, I wrot all her article, cited everything and added a main quote. There are no other quotes that show her personality. Comments? ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 07:08 Mon Oct 29

Podkit ~ Silver Nomination

Podbelly. ouo Comments? ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 07:22 Mon Oct 29

Is it possible to detail the first two paragraphs of his history? --User:Starry Hawk/Sig 01:19, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Expanded. :3 ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 01:09 Sat Nov 3

Deerfoot - Silver Nomination

Filled out the history. Comments? I love the names in YS =D -Ducksauce 22:38, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

Pebblefoot ~ Silver Nomination

Comments? ★ Berry ★ ^{Midnight Monster's Parade!} 05:26 Sat Nov 3

Bird That Rides the Wind ~ Silver Nomination

So, Outcast and SoTM look fine, but I'll expand Dawn and Moonrise. Comments? Sweetflower 18:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)