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Cause of death
Cause of death in the charcat template is extremely redundant - it is listed there twice. Perhaps maybe we can add a "personal detail / personal information" section, and underneath add "cause of death" and "age" (if applicable?) Appledash the light of honor 03:41, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
Agreed. I like the idea of a personal detail section which would cover those, although I'm unsure how it would exactly work out since that would mean editing all the dead cats who appear. —Hrafnsmál The raven's call 03:45, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
use "biographical information" =P also, it wouldn't really need to be edited en masse, since I'm pretty sure that when we edit the template, everything else gets modified along with it. The only way we'd need to edit anything on the articles is if we're changing input names. —Jayce(03:50, 5/07/2018)
Should we also note the second cause of death- such as Mapleshade killing Spottedleaf, Ivypool killing Antpelt? Or link it in the trivia? I also agree with what is said above. Needletail 🐾#Litten 03:54, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
I do think we could add the second death. It is just as important as the first death, since the characters are gone forever. I agree with the above too - merging age and cause of death together, since we removed the post-death residence information.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 07:50, May 7, 2018 (UTC)
Id really like to join ---- Spinestar
Late to discussion, but I agree about adding second cause of death. It could be called "death in the afterlife" or something like that. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 01:09, 5/12/2018
Any more comments? Appledash the light of honor 14:01, May 17, 2018 (UTC)
Clear Sky and One Eye plus One Eye's camp?
Me and Patch were talking as we were re-reading the Blazing Star and came upon that Clear Sky was forced to be driven out by One Eye and his rogues. Plus none of Clear Sky's cats joined him, only Sparrow Fur. However, this brings a discussion where would One Eye succeed Clear Sky unofficially, and this is the same situation where Darktail forces Rowanstar out and unofficially becomes leader of ShadowClan and his rogues before becoming the Kin. Then once One Eye was killed, Clear Sky took back his camp and became leader again. When Clear Sky was staying at Tall Shadow's camp, many cats referred to Clear Sky's cats as One Eye's rogues and cats. It's not Clear Sky's camp.. but would it count as One Eye's group or camp? Me and Patch want to see what other people's thoughts or comments on this.
Also, I'd like to bring up that when Thunder was born, he was basically a rogue, and not a Clan cat yet. It even states in the Blazing Star, too. Not get the image, but would he get the past thing? Needletail 🐾#Litten 02:34, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
I support this idea. Even if isn't official, One Eye did force his way to leadership is Clear Sky's camp. Most of the cats remained in the camp as One Eye took over, and like Cosmo said, they are referred to as "One Eye's cats" so I think it would count as a group, even if it was only for a short period of time. Clear Sky came and took back the leadership of the group, after One Eye had been leading it, so I believe it should be added that One Eye succeeded Clear Sky, and Clear Sky later succeeds One Eye.
As for Thunder's case, I also agree with because he was not part of any group while he was young living with his mother, Storm, so I'd think that'd be listed as a past affiliation. —PatchfeatherHangar 18, I know too much 02:46, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
imo it would be camp since it was an established area, and its not even unofficial, it was him taking clear skys camp.
clear skys cats also do stay with him, even if unwillingly, and those cats that were forced to be with the kin still have the affie (even if its with a note explaining theyre prisoners). my question is if they would be considered rogues and get a listing for the time during they were one eye's cats or no? david 🌈 07:09, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
I guess camp since you explained it better, aha.
That brings another good question now.. would they? They are me ruined to be One Eye's rogues lots of times in the blazing star... Needletail 🐾#Litten 10:30, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
They should get those cites, I believe. Whether they wanted it or not, it defined them for a time. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 01:08, 5/12/2018
Are Birch and Alder old enough to be considered "rogues"? Like if we agreed with the One Eye's Camp. And then the leader's unofficial leader succeeding/preceding for Rowan/dark and one eye/clear sky, and then thunder with the rogue affie? Needletail 🐾#Litten 01:29, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
They were kits iirc, so no. Not really. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 01:30, 5/12/2018
One Eye never officially leads Clear Sky's camp, though. Just like Darktail never officially led ShadowClan, so if we do not have one for Darktail and ShadowClan, why One Eye and Clear Sky? Appledash the light of honor 02:38, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
darktail didn't lead shadowclan because it only existed via rowanstar, tawnypelt, and tigerheart at that point. shattered sky even confirms that. (which brings up another issue of why he and others have sc affie if that's so....) as far as I can tell one eye even says he "took the leadership" out of clear sky's paws, clear sky says "one eye has taken over my camp", and it outright says "one eye's camp" on another page. whether that's enough to say he was leader after clear sky or even enough for it's own page, I don't know, but there's some evidence regardless. david 🌈 23:02, May 13, 2018 (UTC)
Because most of the ShadowClan cats who were under Darktail's ruling in the early days did still consider themselves ShadowClan, so that's where that cite comes from. Also, if they called it "One Eye's camp", then it's pretty safe to say he took over. —Jayce(23:59, 5/13/2018) ( 23:59, 5/13/2018 )
One Eye did take over Clear Sky's camp for a while until he was killed. Same with Darktail- he took over ShadowClan before they turned into the Kin. Needletail 🐾#Litten 00:18, May 15, 2018 (UTC)
Any more comments? Appledash the light of honor 01:32, May 23, 2018 (UTC)
Spiresight- a warrior?
I saw that Broken added him as a warrior but I think we should discuss it first? I hope this isn't wasting time in discussions. Thoughts on adding Spiresight with a warrior's blank? Or adding the cite? Needletail 🐾#Litten 21:31, May 11, 2018 (UTC)
I don't think it's a waste of time or space. It should be discussed. Trust me, I'm not just searching for more art, but this has been on my mind for a while. He is outright hailed as a warrior by Tigerheart, and given a warrior name- not sure if the latter counts for one though. That in itself seems valid, but then again, it needs to be discussed.—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 21:35, 5/11/2018
Hmmm, dunno if that qualifies him gettin a warrior image, though. He technically wasn't one when he was alive.—JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 01:06, 5/12/2018
I think this is more of a case where cats get warrior names but are not necessarily named warriors. Spiresight never joined a Clan, nor did he even see one. Tigerstar may have given a name, but he did not officially allow him into ShadowClan. Appledash the light of honor 02:35, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
I feel like if he had made the journey to ShadowClan he could get a blank, but he was only really a warrior when he got to StarClan, if that makes sense? He never was an actual warrior doing warrior duties. madie the wicked witch of the west
Considering Kate has said on her blog that Spiresight would have become a medicine cat, (see here) I'm not sure the warrior thing counts. It could be good to note, but I feel that we should take Kate's words into consideration. —Jayce(03:50, 5/12/2018) ( 03:50, 5/12/2018 )
Definitely agreed about taking Kate's words into consideration. Very good point. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 03:51, 5/12/2018
Combined with Kate's say on this, plus the fact that the name was given post-mortem and he never lived as a warrior, I think it's more of a trivia statement and not a rank cite. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 15:12, 5/12/2018
I feel as if we are all more towards "no, he is not a warrior, just add it to the trivia." Is that true? Appledash the light of honor 01:33, May 23, 2018 (UTC)
Blaze ~ Silver Nomination
Credits to David for writing some of the TS section. Hope I didn't miss anybody.—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 20:06, 5/12/2018
Could you add a few more quotes? I remember him having a few more good ones in TS ~ —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 20:47, 5/12/2018
Sorry, but I'm withdrawing. I've had no motivation to find more quotes. When I do, I'll nominate it later.—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 05:15, 5/21/2018
Cobweb (Cat) ~ Silver Nomination
—spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 21:19, 5/15/2018
Comments before vote? Appledash the light of honor 14:05, May 17, 2018 (UTC)
Template for redirect
Looking at redirect pages, there is no consistency with the way they are written. To be professional, I believe that we should have a template, or at least a guide, to write redirects so that they are all consistent with one another. Appledash the light of honor 14:13, May 17, 2018 (UTC)
I agree^^ I'd think a template could be made for this fairly easily, but we could also do a guide. Consistency ftw —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 17:25, 5/17/2018
A guide is a nice idea. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 18:07, 5/18/2018
Briarlight ~ Gold Nomination
Right so this was December 2013's FA but it never reached gold due to some issues it had. Those had since been taken care of, but I went through and finished the remaining sections that were incomplete, and gave most of the other sections some love <3 she deserves gold now, such an awesome cat —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 22:40, 5/18/2018 22:40, May 18, 2018 (UTC)
Apprenticeship in the camps
Some cats in the camps are being trained by others. For example, Reed Tail trains Dust Muzzle and Moth Flight techniques, or Eagle Feather and Mouse Ear, or Black Ear and Spotted Fur. The cats that were in Slash's camp probably doesn't count or they could say unofficial mentor or remove the cite overall. Should we cites count as the trainee to be an apprentice? Like Dew Petal teaching Honey Pelt? Or Cloud Spots mentoring Ember for a short while. Medicine cats like Pebble Heart or Acorn Fur got the mca, and Micah and Reed Tail were trained, too, but would they get the mca? Pebble Heart was approved and Acorn Fur a while back. Thoughts? Needletail 🐾#Litten 23:34, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
The only cat I can think this remotely passes for is Pebble Heart. But I fervently disagree with everyone else - none of them were ever "apprentices." Appledash the light of honor 02:02, May 21, 2018 (UTC)
Pebble Heart and Acorn Fur, imo. Acorn Fur was very clearly learning from Micah in a traditional mentor/apprentice way. Other than that, I don't think sharing knowledge and whatnot really counts. —Jayce(02:04, 5/21/2018) ( 02:04, 5/21/2018 )
Summaries (Again)
I would really like some comments on this, whether you disagree or agree, because this just keeps getting archived with no clear conclusion. Can we please discuss writing some summaries, after a cat's description? Say someone does not want to read the entire history, just wants a quick snippet of the character - can we work for each major character, and each supporting one, a little overview of what their personality is, their events in the book, etc? Appledash the light of honor 03:16, May 21, 2018 (UTC)
Until we can chop down on PC's concerns list more, I personally have to disagree. While it's a nice idea that would totally work in the future, I don't think we should start a project of this caliber when we already have so much to do - and to divide the attention of those few writing sections consistently - would only intensify the problem of falling behind on histories. I'd be in support of this idea probably around... the gap after AVoS because we'll most likely have a break then, since it is a good concept, but it's one I don't believe we have the capaility to see all the way through right now. —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 12:01, 5/21/2018
Your point is valid, which is why I am not suggesting we do all of it at once. It is just an option to have so if by chance anyone wants to do a quick summary, the option is available as PC would have agreed on it. Appledash the light of honor 12:04, May 21, 2018 (UTC)
This is a great idea. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 18:28, 5/21/2018
Characters appearing in allegiances
So, I was just thinking about this. We have this cited in trivia for characters like him that appeared in the book despite not being in the allegiances. The allegiances are created according to the start of each book. Does that have to be there? The main characters had not come across the rogues by the start of the book, so there's no reason they should be listed at the start. Hopefully that makes sense. If I'm misunderstanding something, let me know. —JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 20:28, 5/21/2018
All cats that appear in the book are usually listed in the allegiances. If he is not listed in the allegiances then he should not appear - it does not matter the manner of appearance. Appledash the light of honor 20:30, May 21, 2018 (UTC)
Can I join Project Characters, please? I know I'm pretty new to the Wiki though I plan on sticking around for a while. Silverspiritwarriors (talk) 01:44, May 23, 2018 (UTC)