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Stumpytail - rogue or no?

So there's the case of Stumpytail, a kinda obscure ShadowClan cat. He stays in SC after Brokenstar gets kicked out, but also appears as one of Brokenstar's rogues in Tigerclaw's Fury. Normally, we take whatever's first, so arc 1. However. TF is also a book heavily focusing on ShadowClan, while the others he's in (FAI and FoS) are not. These two things aren't compatible - he's either a rogue or not - but in this specific case, I would argue that we should consider his staying in ShadowClan as retconned. Perhaps once true, but out of the few cats in TF, he's a prominent part of the group and appears a lot, in a book and so it's not just a one off. I bring this up because it'd need the PC override to continue to list one or the other, and the retconned material to be treated as a mistake, whereas currently it's all lumped on there. Thoughts?spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 02:59, 3/23/2020

I think it's probably worth pointing out that Stumpytail is not the only cat whose appearances in Tigerclaw's Fury contradict what was shown in the original series. For example, Boulder is kind of the reverse case of Stumpytail -- he is shown as having stayed with ShadowClan in Tigerclaw's Fury but listed in the allegiances of Fire and Ice, Forest of Secrets, and Rising Storm as not being part of the Clan. And Clawface, despite the fact that he was supposed to have died in battle during Fire and Ice, appears throughout TF, as much as Stumpytail does. —Ivy 22:56, March 23, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe put in a continuity section with these things?

Winter 21:21, 3/24/2020

Winter, I think the discussion is to decide which to keep in the main history and which to stick in the continuity section. =P I feel like we should go with whatever is mentioned more frequently and recently. In Boulder's case, it would be the rogue listing as a mistake, and with Stumpytail, it's him staying in ShadowClan being the mistake. Clawface's death is a bit of an iffy thing, because that was a big part of the original arc and Graystripe's character arc.. so I'm not sure exactly what would be done in that case. Jayce(21:47, 3/24/2020)​​

oof my bad, im out of the loop with this site lol but yeah i agree with the most frequent standing

Winter 13:01, 3/26/2020

Any more comments? I agree with listing him in ShadowClan as a mistake. ♥ Star red and black <18:10, 6/16/2020>

Brightheart as Temp MC?

I hope this is the right place. Sorry if it wasn't! I was rereading LW and noticed that Brightheart looked after the Clan for the moons that Leafpool left to have her kits. It's somewhat similar to Sandstorm being the unoffical medicine cat of SkyClan until Echosong became a mc. Should this be considered as a rank in Brightheart's section? Juniperclaw (talk) 04:42, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

Hmm...I haven't read LW except for like the first time I did, but from what I can recall, Leafpool was gone for a while and the Clan would have to rely on Brightheart for their medicine cat needs temporarily. So I'd say probably. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 17:50, April 23, 2020 (UTC)

I'd believe it would count, so yeah, I agree. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 18:06, April 23, 2020 (UTC)

Any other comments? I'd like a few more before we decide. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 00:40, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Agreeing with above. ♥ Star red and black <01:17, 5/11/2020>

I would say she was temporarily the medicine cat for certain, and maybe add unofficially since Leafpool was still their medicine cat? Sort of like how Alderheart more or less filled in for Puddleshine while he was recovering in The Raging Storm, but Puddleshine was still regarded as the medicine cat for ShadowClan.

Hrafnsmál The raven's call 01:24, May 11, 2020 (UTC)

Agreeing with Thunder. ♥ Star red and black <18:10, 6/16/2020>


Mosskit as an accidental in Bluestar's Killed Victims 

Bluefur made an active choose to endanger her kits by taking them through snowstorm, knowing the high possability of them freezing to death, even if she didn't want that outcome. Does this reach the Wiki's standards of being considered responable? There might also need to be consideration for Goosefeather, considering he ordered her to do in the first place. Mellowix (talk) 09:53, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Goosefeather didn't order her. Also, do you have proof in which Bluefur acknowledged the fact that her kits might die? Because I do not remember that being in Bluestar's Prophecy at all. Regardless, I really think these lists are being taken way too far.. including Mosskit isn't appropriate in the least. Because otherwise, we may as well blame her for Stonefur's death too, since he may not have died had Bluefur not given her kits to Oakheart. Jayce(15:01, 6/17/2020)​​​​​


Snowfur's death is entirely irrelevant to this debate. If the Wiki considered every character responable for another's death for simply suggesting a daily chore, there wouldn't be an end to it.  Snowfur choose to go on patrol, she choose to rush onto the Thunderpath in a battle rage - That accident was on herself. 

Anyway, Goosefeather did tell her to take the kits out of camp to their father - It was leafbare, had to do it in secret and he offered no help, as a Medcine cat's he'd know the risks of death:

Goosefeather: This was not part of the prophecy. Fire must burn without bonds.

Bluefur: “The prophecy can wait. My kits need me now.”

Goosefeather: “What about your Clan?” *Short irrevlent scene with kits annoying warriors* “If Thistleclaw becomes deputy, it will be the end of ThunderClan.”

Bluefur: “My kits need me"

Goosefeather: “They’re not just your kits. They have a father who would raise them.”

Bluefur:. “What do you mean?”

Goosefeather: “I saw you with Oakheart, near Fourtrees. I do not stand in judgment, Bluefur, You never set out to betray your Clan. But these kits will drown in blood with the rest of their Clanmates unless you act. You are still the fire that will scorch a different path for ThunderClan."

Secendly, it's never been a requirment for the "Killed Victims" list, for an aknowlegement of the death risks from the PoV. Lionblaze didn't aknowledge the risks when he grabbed Russetfur beforehand. Same goes for Greystripe and Whiteclaw, and Fireheart and Whitethroat. That's why it's considered accidental, because the character didn't know beforehand they'd cause a death. 

Someone making an active choose to endager kits in a blizzard, seems to be a clear-cut chase of an accidental death. Mosskit didn't die purely of hyperthemia. The Blizzard didn't get through the Nursery's walls. Bluefur made an active choose to put her in that danger of hyperthemia in the first place.  Mellowix (talk) 16:16, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Agreeing with Jayce; this is reaching way too far. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 16:28, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

Mellowix, I said Stonefur, not Snowfur. As in, Bluestar's son??? Goosefeather still did not force Bluestar to give up her kits; it was suggested, but he definitely didn't force Bluestar to do anything. I really don't like how it seems that you're forcing us to add this, or change our minds, just because we disagree. Jayce(00:41, 6/18/2020)​​

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