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Discussion[]
DF sprite revamp[]
I know i mushed this into another post, but...at some point could we discuss revamping the Dark Forest sprite? It just feels weird in a way and my neurodivergent brain is very mad when I look at Ashfur's sprite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TigerflightTeddy (talk • contribs)
Is it okay for me to ask why it would need revamping? It seems good to me —Sakura ✧.* (01:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC))
Please keep in mind when suggesting new blanks or redos that there is a lot of work that goes into it. There has to be a discussion with significant and constructive evidence to support why you believe a blank needs to be made/redone. We have roughly 100 Dark Forest character images, so I'm honestly going to have to hear more reasons as to why we should redo all these images beyond what you have been suggesting. Especially since this is not your first suggestion in recent memory. That's 100 images that need to be organized, sorted, redrawn, and approved manually through our project. Now I'm not suggesting that we should never have blank redos, though the previous one is still ongoing and that was 500 images. But you need to add more clarification. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
agreeing with vec here, we need more of a reason than "i dont like how it looks" while it may seem easy to draw a new blank, it really isn't and is a lot more work than you may think. ★ Winter ★ Just say my name! »17:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)«
imo the blanks are fine, but if they do need to be "revamped", the creator of said blanks is currently active in our Discord server and Jayie should absolutely be given first priority to tweak any "issues" that may happen. Also, I'm ND as well and I don't really think that's fair to use that as a reason. —Jayce(06:13, 2/24/2024)
Agreeging w/ keeping it, it's a great blank imo. It's too much work and tons of other people *do* like the blank :) --~ Northfeather *Wild at Heart* 16:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
I think it is terrible. Like, the DF cats are *Canonically* skinny due to the absence of prey, and the DF sprite looks like it has a six pack??? Also, cats who have great warrior sprites, (Eg Curlfeather) have messy, unkempt DF sprites and look... Baad. She done be this to this. Like, Curlf, what happened to you??-RavenpawXBarleyBarnCat
- Ravenpaw, that was actually kind of rude. Please be kind to the artists of the OG blank and the artist of the image that you have bashed, as they both worked very hard to get it approved, through general consensus. Blindly hating on an image just because you think it's bad is uncalled for. ✧Winter✧ 21:03, 4/05/2024
I am terrible at talking. I also watch wrestling too much, and I have to defend myself from bullies a lot and I like returning their favors, and I'm also high on caffeine and Suger and whipped cream because I can't not chug a frappucino because StarBucks makes them too good! and I do like the pose. I just think it could have more petit features. I suck at explaining stuff and I just get VERY HEATED and defensive about stuff.I need to get better about this stuff, and I'm sorry. I just have mental stuff going on AND I have a lot of pressure and it's... Wow. I just get my 'Defense' mode and my 'Smack-Talk Wrestlers' mode confused with my 'Talk like a normal person' mode. RavenpawXBarleyBarnCat
There's no reason to redo these unless people can provide reasons that are more concrete and less offensive than "I don't like these because they look bad." Getting heated and defensive is one thing but please keep in mind the hours/days/weeks/months of work that go into these blanks and their associated images. —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 15:51, 4/08/2024
BloodClan base tweak[]
Now that the app rush is mostly done, I was wondering what peoples' thoughts were about possibly tweaking the BloodClan blanks to have ruffled fur on their backs and tails, similar to the Prisoner blanks. It seems like it would better fit the pose/action being illustrated. I also had the thought, if this actually goes anywhere, of possibly flattening/spaying out the toes on the back paws as well, since they seem too relaxed compared to the forepaws and face, but that's a much smaller nitpick ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 19:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
i think that this would be a good idea, but we should give it some time. All of the other blanks that have ruffled/spiked fur (prisoner, df) have aggressive or scared poses. while this will be mainly focused on the df. The df is clearly showing an aggressive pose, with its back fur spiked. Even its tail is spiked. As said above, if this does go anywhere, then i think the ears cloud be lowered, flattened to look something more like the refugee, because the df also has its ears lowered. I do think that the hind paw could be slightly fixed, but that’s not necessarily needed. ♥ willowthroat „i am starclan!“ 21:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
I could agree to this, super good point with the aggressive posing on some other blanks with how ruffly they get. —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 02:16, 3/24/2024 02:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't think the dark forest one has spiked-fur or else the short-furred would have it too. I think it's just the style of the long fur with thinner strokes, like the ES and hunter. The prisoner is the only one that has spiked up fur in an aggressive stance. This seems like a very minor thing, almost too minor. It might set precedent to add spiked fur for all aggressive poses, which seems counterintuitive to this project's goals. Adding spiked fur while the blank is currently under review, sure. But retroactively adding seems excessive. This just seems like an opinion on the blank rather than something that is inherently wrong with them. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
slept on this, and i’ve got more to say (lol). I think it is a problem, and not an opinion. If you look at a cat’s anatomy, their fur spikes when in an aggressive pose like this. The books mention it, and it’s what my friends cat does. As for the hind paw, thats more of an opinion than a problem (no offense) ♥ willowthroat „i am starclan!“ 12:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
No worries. Talk pages are about discussion so you're than welcomed to chime in more than once (and I honestly encourage it). I'm wary of statements such as "all aggressively posed cats should have spiked fur", since that can unintentionally be applied retroactively when that wasn't in effect during the blank's creation. Going forward, sure. But I would only support this if the blank's OA (Max) agrees and only after all the apprentice images are done. Since we still have a handful of users still actively working on them.
(Which is also the reality of adjusting artwork - these things take time, and we need to carefully balance the number of projects to avoid folks from burning out. Which is why I'm always hesitant on everything haha ) Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 14:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
of course ^^ i wasn't here when the apprentice rush started, but i will be when it ends. I know that artists are going to need a break. I wasn't insisting on all aggressively posed cats to have spiked fur, but i do think it would fit this blank well. BloonClan was big and scary in the books, so maybe it would be for the better if they got spiked fur why do i suck at finding evidence for school but can find so much for these kinds of things help ♥ willowthroat „i am starclan!“ 14:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Haven't really said anything because I've been busy lmao, and I think that it's a fair point, but it also feels slightly excessive currently when it feels more like a nice thing to add more realism rather than an immediate concern. If it does go through, I think it would be best for the fur to be the only thing changed so that images can just be quickly tweaked. - arenzel ⭑⭑⭑ 16:02, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
fur might be a minor thing, but it does help add to the fact that these cats are aggressive. if you hide the claws, then these blanks really only have their faces to show how they are. ♥ willowthroat „i am starclan!“ 16:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
Really don't think this is necessary tbh. It seems like a purely aesthetic choice at this point. There isn't anything wrong with the blanks that would require them to be changed at this time. —Jayce(16:28, 3/25/2024)
why would that be? A cats anatomy would have their fur spiked if they were angry like this pose depicts. The goal of these blanks are to be realistic, no? ♥ willowthroat „i am starclan!“ 16:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
It's intended to be realistic, but if we apply this to a blank that is already approved, that means any aggressive pose would also require tweaks and any future aggressive poses would be required to have this style. Given this isn't something we enforced before, it's not something we can enforce now without making sure everyone is aware of it and adding it to the guidelines... which I can't say I'm okay with because that requires some tweaking to previously done images (and that's not fair to those artists). Regardless, I'm with Vec in saying my support is conditional and only if Max is okay with this. —Jayce(16:35, 3/25/2024)
Wow this really popped off as a discussion. At the moment I'm not entirely interested in tweaking the blank due to real life commitments and would personally rather do it for other reasons (such as overall improvement and skill). I hope that this can be respected at this stage, and that I'll leave a reminder for myself to approach the topic in the future. I would also like to note that the original reference image I used for this blank did not show the cat with raised fur/spiky fur at all, so it is completely valid for a cat to appear this way with a simple snarl as their expression. — max it is the real thing, (08:10, 26/3/2024)
I think it's fine. The amount of work that would need to be done is not worth it for such a minor change imo. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 23:18,4/15/2024
May I join the project?[]
I made a Birchpaw app. sprite that got rejected because I didn't know that you needed to join the project. An, I would love to make more sprites! I use Pixlr. Please tell me the real thing to make these on? Also, I can't buy stuff or get an app and I use my Chromebook. Is it okay that I use Pixlr? -User:RavenpawxBarleyBarnCat, April 3, 2024.
Hi, and welcome to the project. I'll add you in as a kit, and make sure to read the guidelines. Pixlr is fine to use - any art program is fine as long as it supports layers. My art program is free as well. Also, make sure to sign with ~~~~ so it leaves your username and timestamp. If you have any questions, feel free to ask :) Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 23:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Harestar's "white patches"[]
so i dont think i actually ever voted on this, but i did want to point out describing a brown-and-white cat with white patches is literally the same thing. if they're brown-and-white it doesn't matter if the fan art/original pattern depicted harestar as brown with a white chest/etc, its literally the same thing ✧Winter✧ 14:34, 4/09/2024
He's depicted with brown patches in all his official artwork, and we've previously made adjustments to pixels when described with "patches", such as Sunbeam and Blazefire. And are you stating this in regards to his description or his charart? The issue was brought up for a redo nomination for him, which is why he has an alt. But I'm opened to more opinions. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 14:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
ohh okay, the official artwork does make sense. my bad i suppose. i just didn't wanna lengthen the approval page so i threw it here :p ✧Winter✧ 14:48, 4/09/2024
It's hard without knowing what the actual cite says imo. His official art could go either way, white with brown patches or brown with white patches. That's where my confusion earlier stems from. —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 18:43, 4/09/2024
Read the cite finally. "The white patches on his pelt" really doesn't seem like enough difference from his canon description to me to warrant an alt. It doesn't mention anything about his coloring aside from that, so while it could easily be taken as him being majority brown, it just as easily could point out him being white imo. —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 20:27, 4/09/2024
See that was my thought too, because no matter what, calling a brown and white cat a cat with white patches still means hes brown and white ✧Winter✧ 23:01, 4/09/2024
He isn't depicted with white patches in his artwork though. Both the color images we have and his graphic novel stuff. These aren't white patches. Therefore, the alt is warranted by the guidelines set forth as "white patches" does not match the tuxedo style he's generally depicted with. If anything, in at least one of those, he's primairly white, not brown. So, no, they aren't "the same thing". —Jayce(00:10, 4/10/2024)
Join request[]
hello! i was wondering if i could join the project Blizzy Does Stuffs (talk) 18:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Blizzy Does Stuffs, and welcome to the project! I'll add you in as a kit; make sure you read the project guidelines before participating, and let me know if you have any questions ^^ - arenzel ⭑⭑⭑ 19:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Characters Missing Eyes[]
I don’t want to keep clogging the tweak page with this, so I figured I’d keep this conversation going here instead. With One-eye being nominated for a tweak recently, giving me a reason to really look at her pixels, I’ve been left with one consistent question: for cats like her, Brightheart, and others who have physically lost one or both eyes, why do we depict them as an empty socket instead of a scarred over line?
I wasn’t sure if this is something that falls under artists choice or not, hence my asking. With my musings on it, I always figured that—-like other wounds—-they would eventually seal themselves shut. Brightheart is depicted with that in her TUG art, for example.
This isn’t a big deal in the slightest, nor is this a tweak nomination or a request to redo artwork, more just a clarification on my end. It’s not an injury we see often in the series, so it makes sense that each one would be depicted differently. This is something I’ve been curious about off and on for ages now and I finally have a reason to think about it long enough to ask lol. —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 17:35, 4/17/2024
I did some digging, because this was before my time, on One-eye's images. Her elder (when it was tweaked to shift over the eye to <-- side) had tweak comments to add scaring since "Assuming that she's lost the eye" from Leggy. That also seems to be the general consensus for her StarClan image when Jayce created it.
Looking at Brightheart, her alt apprentice did have her missing eye closed originally. Her set was nominated for a redo for consistency back in 2012, in which Scarlet changed her eye from closed to that missing gap. I couldn't find a stated reason as to why, though there was an extensive conversation discussing her pattern around this time when the warrior was redone. I reckon Jayce and Scarlet mind know more, but this is just what I've found. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 20:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for digging that up! This is a super interesting thing for me. With Brightheart, I can see the missing socket being featured in her warrior and app images, since the wound was so fresh, but as she’s gotten older, my mind (when not looking at the art) kinda filled in the gap to have the eye be shut. I don’t know if it set a precedent or not for how missing eyes are depicted, cause that was even before my first time here, too. Would this be something that, for the sake of consistency across blanks, would have to be either/or? As in the eye socket is either exposed or not exposed, or would it be a true artists choice type of deal? (My curiosity is never ending.) —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 22:22, 4/17/2024
I can almost promise it's because we never put too much thought into (prior to maybe, what, a couple years ago?) it given back then we weren't exactly into super super hyper realistic depictions. If y'all want to potentially tweak stuff to make them look more real, that's fine, but I wouldn't intentionally go looking just for something to do. —Jayce(23:21, 4/17/2024)
I had a feeling it was "for grins" type of answer, thanks! Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 23:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Would it be something that the depiction would need to match across all images? Looking at One-eye specifically, since only her elder and star have that. (And because I thought about doing it with the star cause she's a wicked cutie) —Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 09:35, 4/18/2024
No, because her eye was cloudy during her youth before it went missing later on. Though I know the books have been wishy washy on that exact time frame. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 14:25, 18 April 2024 (UTC)