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==[[Minor characters/The Rise of Scourge|Brown tabby-and-white rogue]] (Ro)- For Approval==
[[File:RP-2.bc-4.png]] bad bad bad. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 12:15, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 
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[[File:TROS.rogue-8.png]] kitty cat {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 21:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
   
The eye color should be a lightish blue/cyan color. It definitely should not be that dark. If you look at the official art, you'll see that the eye color is a light shade of blue. {{User:Doestrike/Sig2}} 15:38, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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I think the shading could be smoothed out on the haunch and belly, reduced on the closer foreleg, and more could be added under the chin. {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 22:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
   
I think the shading could be expanded a little bit and smoothed out. {{User:Ivybreeze/Sig}} 16:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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can you define the shading? {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|22:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)}}
   
i colorpicked the eye color through the rogue image? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 20:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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there is also some leaky shading on the hind leg towards the paw closest to us {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 00:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
   
Try adding some gradience from the official image in the eye, then. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 00:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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'''Reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 01:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
   
I think you've uploaded this in the wrong file, this is the rogue file. {{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 04:13, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
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just the tinniest little speck of waste by the tail. i love these stripes {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 01:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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i think this guy also needs a nicked ear {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 15:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Fixed this one up for you; please continue to reupload over [[:File:RP-2.bc-4.png]]. {{Diablo./Sig2|04:19, 12/11/2020}}
 
   
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'''Reups''' I checked with the discord and because the ear nick in the art is on a part of the ear which isn’t visible from this angle, it isn’t necessary. Also shout out to my magic wand tool for including that speck, really making life easier lol {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 02:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
reups? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 13:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I think the shading overall looks a bit blocky and flat—if the light is coming from the bottom, the shading could be reduced on the legs. For shading placement, I think it could flow better with the shape of the body, to give a visual I’ve [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086384559991558265/1218043476621529238/IMG_3337.png?ex=66063a62&is=65f3c562&hm=70ee190c028234f51c95343116cf75ab7aaeac51f972aacdd6b353daf1cc3ff0& redlined] the torso. I also recommend referencing images like [[:File:TROS.rogue-12.png]] or [[:File:Mouse Ear.rogue.png]] ^^ {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 03:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
I'd add a thinner layer of shading to give it some depth, and smooth the shading still. Try using a 5-10px blur tool. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig4}} 18:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 01:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
there's a lot of waste leaking outside the lineart from the shading {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|21:06, 11/12/2020}} 21:06, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Could you potentially tweak the shading color just a little bit? [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200630233078964414/1218376619501289552/Screenshot_36.png?ex=660770a6&is=65f4fba6&hm=70dee7192c9970aa5c94ba052418f34e20e900a84d8055a4d8295006109dc971& It looks like it's blending in with the stripe color], if that makes sense. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|01:54, 3/16/2024}}
'''reups''' {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 21:34, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 21:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
there's still a lot of waste around the legs, tail, and head {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|22:05, 11/12/2020}} 22:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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The colors need to match exactly with the official artwork, but I think it's the saturated shading that's causing issues. {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|23:12, 16 3 2024}} 23:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
reups i believe? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 11:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
I do not think the tail shading has to cover the whole tail, I think you can erase some at the top of the tail, but what do I know? {{User:Doestrike/Sig2}} 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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If it isn’t already, the shading layer should be set to “multiply“ so that it doesn’t blend in with the stripes or pelt. {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 18:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
   
reups. it was leaking a bit. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 22:25, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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'''Reups''' thanks for the tip! {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 16:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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can you darken/define the depth? {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 18:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I feel if the pupils are a bit dialated - could you fiddle with the left one? (our left, cat's right). The shading needs to be expanded, smoothened and have more depth. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}} 23:41, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
Add some shading to the lower chest and the flank/low belly. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 03:16, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 22:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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'''reups''' didn't like the shading {{unsigned|Bramble321}}
make the teeth a different color from the tongue, and there is waste both from the shading and leaking out of the collar tooth, claws, around the -> front paw, on the <- side of the head, and a few pixels between the -> ear and the back {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|19:45, 11/15/2020}} 19:45, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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it looks very neon, mind tuning it down? {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|21:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)}}
reups. i didnt really get the teeth bit? the teeth is white, and the tongue is a pinkish color. i've redone the shading too. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig}} 11:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 00:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
The shading looks pretty good! Can you smoothen it out a tad? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig3|19:46, 17 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
   
I would say it should be smoothened by a lot, and the shading should have depth. Shading also needs to be placed on the collar and the fur between the head line and collar. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}} 21:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Do you mind desaturating your shading hue a bit more? It's making the white parts, such as the belly, look brown. I'm also having a hard time making out the white in the eye. But this is really good :) {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|03:04, 24 3 2024}} 03:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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'''reups''' thanks Vec, I'm really proud of it :D {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 22:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
are we talking about the same teeth? the teeth in the mouth appear to be the same color as the tongue, is what i meant. if they are different colors, my apologies, it's probably just the way my screen shows colors. {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|22:07, 11/17/2020}} 22:07, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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CBA? {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|14:22, 25 3 2024}} 14:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
^^The teeth in the mouth don’t appear coloured to me either, they look to be the same as the tongue? {{User:Wavetail/Sig2}} 04:55, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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so sorry to break, this is very pretty, but i think that some shading on the haunch closest to us and that tail could be smoothed out a bit {{User:Willowthroat/Sig2}} 16:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
reups oh yes i was a bit confused about the teeth bit. that should be fine now? there was depth, i guess it just wasnt clear. ive also lowered the opacity of the layer a bit. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|05:44, 11/18/2020}}
 
   
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 18:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
This is looking really good! Can you expand the shading just about everywhere except the tail? {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 16:21, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
reups is it a bit overblurred? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|11:15, 11/19/2020}}
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Re-CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:18, 3/26/2024}}
   
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Hey, sorry to break CBA but I believe this needs a tad more work. Could you add more shading to the back of the head, and possibly remove the shading under the chin? It looks a bit out of place with the light source. I believe the chest shading could be smoothed out a little more as well. {{User:Snowdapple/Sig}} <small><span style="{{User:Snowdapple/Time}}">20:02, 3/26/2024</span></small>
reups fiddled with leg shading. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|11:18, 11/19/2020}}
 
   
Add some depth to the eyes? {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 03:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
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'''reups''' {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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==[[Duskfur]] (Prisoner) - For Evaluation==
'''reups''' {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|06:44, 11/21/2020}}
 
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[[File:Duskfur.prisoner.png]] <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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Nice work :) I think the shading could be defined and sharpened overall--I'd suggest referencing other prisoner images for shading, such as [[:File:Mintfur (RC).prisoner.png]], [[:File:Stormfur.prisoner.png]], or [[:File:Twigbranch.prisoner.png]]. The stripes could also be thicker, and if you'd like, I can also send you the psd file for her elder/leader images via Discord ^^ {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 23:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
smooth out the shading on the --> foreleg and the back {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|15:33, 11/22/2020}} 15:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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That would be great, thanks! <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reups''' better? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|21:32, 11/24/2020}}
 
   
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I upped the opacity on the shading and made the stripes thicker. Does this look good? If this isn't the shading you're looking for, is there a tutorial somewhere on that defined/sharpened shading? <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
theres waste around the image {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|01:12, 11/25/2020}} 01:12, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Looking good! I see some waste (content outside of the lines) from the shading, could you remove that? The eyes need more defined highlights, and the stripes may need to be smoothened. I recommend using smudge tool, a painting brush, or a smaller brush to go over the stripes to give them a more smoothened look for the fur. {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 00:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reups''' think that is it for the waste? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|05:29, 11/25/2020}}
 
   
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i think if you made your lineart the top layer, that would get rid of some of it. could you also dull the highlights on the tail? {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 00:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you add some shading to the belly? Also, for future reference, I would recommend having a look at the [[:File:NonClan Ranks shading basic.png|shading charts]] to help with some basic placement guides and whatnot. {{Diablo./Sig2|00:57, 26/11/2020}}
 
   
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Sounds good! A few questions, when I use the smudge tool, should I go over the lines completely or in a specific pattern? Should I highlight the eyes by adding white shading or making the eyes a brighter color? With the tail, should I choose a darker color or add less of the gradient? Thanks! <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 01:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
there is shading on the belly? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|06:09, 11/26/2020}}
 
   
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when i use the smudge tool (which is not a whole lot so sorry if this is bad/confusing) i smudge it along the general direction of fur. so in this case i would smudge the body in an arc, and the legs separately. As for the highlights, you only need to do 1 or 2 pixels without blurring, as seen in other files such as [[:File:Stormfur.prisoner.png]] and [[:File:Sol.prisoner.png]]. i also think that you could define the shading all over, with guides as [[:File:Stonefur.prisoner.png]] and [[:File:Twigbranch.prisoner.png]]. This looks great, and i know it can be hard at first :) {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 01:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
i believe you're looking at a different part of the image. the part i'm assuming max means is the unshaded area that falls between the arm and the hind leg, which would be the belly. i can redline it if you want? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|06:11, 11/26/2020}} 06:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Made a new version. Drew the eyes on instead (since prisoners don't seem to have defined eyes, most have just been drawing it on it seems), tried the smudge fur technique, and removed a tiny bit of shading near the eyes. I added multiply and changed the color of shading to a dark brown. How's this? Maybe I could make it sharper; would I just redo the shading but blur it less?
oh, i see now. thanks, ill work on it. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|07:50, 11/26/2020}}
 
   
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<div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 01:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
this should have a lighter muzzle to match the rogue and official art. also, i believe one of the claws on the <-- paw is filled in with pink? could you also add/define shading on the claws? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|18:04, 11/26/2020}} 18:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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this looks so good! no, the shading seems just fine for now. the stripes (im sorry) could be a little less smudged. You use ibis paint x, yes? i like to lower the opacity or strength of my smudge tools, and that usually helps me have a more controlled smudge. {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 01:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
reups? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|08:14, 11/27/2020}}
 
   
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Redid the smudging with 70% power instead of 100%. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 02:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
there is waste around the image, and the uppermost claw on the <-- paw is still pink :P also, i believe the eye color is leaking out of the eyes and onto the face a little bit? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|08:53, 11/27/2020}} 08:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Looks much better! I think the pale part on the tail could be expanded and made less blurry. I fear you may have over smudged the stripes a bit—-I would suggest taking a slightly softer brush (I use Ibis as well; I’d probably use “Dip Pen (Soft)“) at a thin size and lower opacity and lightly drawing over the stripes just to give them more shape. More shading could also be added to the back/neck and the tail. {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 03:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
reups. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|13:14, 11/30/2020}}
 
   
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Added some more shading to the tail and back and tried the smudge fur once again. I don't think I'm understanding the right technique, but I tried to use less strokes to make this one. Should I just redraw the stripes with a softer brush? Should I be doing multiple strokes? I'm doing multiple strokes to keep the fur consistent to make it look like it's going in a certain direction. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 04:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Define the shading depth everywhere but the tail, and define the light on > this back leg. {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|17:09, 11/30/2020}}
 
   
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looks fine to me, but i dont really have a whole lot of experience with the smudge brush. i think some shading could be added to the -> paw. I could also send over a shading placement chart via discord if it helped. {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 15:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
==[[Sparrow (Sister)]] (Lo) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Sparrow (Sister).loner.png]] {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 17:28, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Shading placement would be awesome, thanks! I couldn't find the shading placement on the tutorials page so I referenced Icewing's prisoner, but more defined shading would be great, thank you! My Discord is raquesis_lionheart. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 16:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Would Sparrow need a loner charart because there is no cite to back it up on her page? {{User:Sunshade/Sig|11:52, 11/13/20}}
 
   
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Earlier I was basically saying that you may have smudged the stripes a bit too much--I think that you could still take a pencil/pen (not smudge) brush and draw over them to help fix that, since they currently blend into the fur a bit too much imo. The muzzle and tail should also have the pale color that's on the chest. {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 22:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the Sisters were referred to as loners in Squirrelflight’s Hope. {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|19:11, 11/15/2020}}
 
   
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Looking better! My comment about the waste still stands though it seems that the stripes are of main concern right now. I use ibis paint x as well. What I do with my stripes is use a small sized dip pen brush to go over the stripes. It helps give a smudged effect without over smudging. You can also do that when adding the pale colours to make them flow more with the main pelt colour. And for the waste, it appears to be from the shading layer on —> side. It’s just best to erase it out, but be sure to use a small eraser when close to lines since we don’t want the shading to be erased! {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 02:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
I know it's confusing for these loner cites for the Sisters, but they were called "a group of loners" when Hawkwing mentioned that the Clans fought them. I only added the cats that were known from the battle. As for the image, lower the shading on the belly/neck area and smooth it out. Maybe also define the shading on the face. [[User:Milostar|Milostar]] ([[User talk:Milostar|talk]]) 19:40, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
'''Reuploaded''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 19:58, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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i think she needs a pale muzzle. {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|03:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)}}
   
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Added a pale muzzle and redid the shading. I also went over the smudged stripes to try and make them less oversmudged, did I do it right? <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 04:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
I think the shading could be lightened a lot, tbh. It appears dark on my screen. [[User:Milostar|Milostar]] ([[User talk:Milostar|talk]]) 04:04, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I like the progress you've made! Could you lighten the shading just a bit? It appears rather dark. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|04:56, 3/15/2024}}
Spooky frequently has a hidden "stripe" layer underneath her complicated patterns, such as Billystorm's old set which has a similar stripe pattern. Basically it has thick, huge stripes smudged/blurred extensively and at a lower opacity, also underneath the more apparent stripe layer. It basically gives an extra texture to the stripes and might help make this match closer. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 05:50, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Forgot to lower the opacity of the shading later, whoops. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 04:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reuploaded''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 16:18, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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this looks good for a first time :) i think the edges of the paler muzzle could be smudged or blurred, just a tad to make it blend more with the fur. {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 14:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Cypress, this is so good. but I can't tell where your light source is? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig3|23:50, 17 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
   
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if you also put your shading layer on 45 % opacity it will be ''just'' dark enough to define the shading, without making the image look overly-shaded. (i hope that made sense) {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 14:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
i believe its coming from the top right corner? {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|06:36, 11/18/2020}}
 
   
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Lowered opacity of shading to 45% and blurred the muzzle. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 14:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
yes, it is intended to be coming from the top right corner. sorry star, but im gonna have to ask for a second opinion on that. {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 09:53, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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i still can't see the paler parts of the muzzle. {{USer:Velochisaur/Sig|21:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)}}
i think the light source is fine, thers nothing conflicting. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|11:02, 11/18/2020}}
 
   
Light source is perfectly fine. I do think there could be more of the paler orange base peeking through the back patches and tail. I also think the patches could be smudged finer. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 16:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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agreeing with winter on this, i think it could be defined. if you redid it and went over the edgeds with a 9 % opacity bursh as did with the shading, it would be okay. {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 21:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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Adding onto the previous comments about the pale parts, erasing some of the shading on the muzzle might also help it stand out more. There still also doesn't seem to be the pale color on the tail that's visible at the top of the tail on the warrior, elder, and leader. {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 22:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reup''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 18:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Got rid of some shading near the muzzle and readded and dulled the tail part again. <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 22:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
The colors seem to still be off a little bit... have you considered asking [[User:Spookywilloww|Spooky]] for the file for the rogue or kit images? She's generally pretty okay with helping out in cases like this. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|04:48, 11/19/2020}}
 
   
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i feel like it could be defined more, i'd look at [[:File:Duskfur.leader.png]] for the pale muzzle and tail placement. :) {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|23:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)}}
theres a white pixel of waste under the chin {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|04:50, 11/19/2020}} 04:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Is this better? <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 02:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reuploaded;''' thank you to spooky for the files! {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 07:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I feel like the muzzle needed a redo so I redid it. Am I missing anything? Should I redo anything else? <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 14:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you smooth and or smudge the shading on the middle section, the legs, and the tail a little more? I'm assuming its the style, but it could just stand to be a little softer so that it isn't so abrupt. {{Diablo./Sig2|00:56, 26/11/2020}}
 
   
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I think the pale parts on the muzzle and tail look a bit too blurry at the edges. The shading also looks a bit cloudy and flat—I would recommend adding a second layer of thinner shading on top to make it pop a bit more (my general rule of thumb is to have the second layer be about half the size of the main shading layer); the apprentice tutorials have some tips for shading depth at [[Warriors Wiki:Charart/Apprentice Tutorials#White cats]] which may help as well ^^ {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 18:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reuploaded''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 08:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Reuploaded <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you smooth it out some more? It still is quite hard-edged in those areas, even when comparing version differences. {{Diablo./Sig2|08:53, 27/11/2020}}
 
   
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i think if you give the paler undertail the same amount of definition as the muzzle, it would be better {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 23:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
'''reuploaded''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 04:30, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Reuploaded <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 04:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Smooth the neck shading a bit? {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 00:52, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
'''reuploaded''' {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 17:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
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could you fix the eartip? {{User:Willowthroat/Sig}} 12:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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Didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out! <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 17:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
==[[Willie]] (BC) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Willie.bc.png]] why do I have a feeling I made the stripes way too thick and awkwardly placed? I used his leader pixel as a reference, but I'm not sure how well it translated onto the BloodClan pixel. {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 00:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
I would thin the markings above his eyes. Hope, you're really good at this now. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}01:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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Could you sharpen the shading/erase some from the -> side of the paws/legs, since they look almost completely covered with shading right now? {{User:Arenzel/Sig}} 22:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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Reuploaded <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
Can you define shading on the >--- front leg? This is so pretty! {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2}} 01:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I think the pale on the tail could be better defined just a bit, and the shading overall needs depth. [[:File:Stonefur.prisoner.png]] and [[:File:Icewing.prisoner.png]] are good examples of well defined shading depth. {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|22:55, 22 3 2024}} 22:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I would also define shading everywhere and give it some depth. {{user:Coralflame/Sig}}01:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Reuploaded <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 23:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
'''Reuploaded.''' thank you both for the kind words and the advice! I added some shading depth and removed the thickness of his "eyebrow" markings.. is there anything else that should be changed? {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 05:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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This is good progress. I would recede your second layer of shading a bit, so erase some of it. I can see the depth, but your shading layers seem almost exactly the same. {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|03:05, 24 3 2024}} 03:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
looking at his other images, i feel like the stripes should be thinner overall {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|06:01, 11/17/2020}} 06:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Should I just lower/increase the opacity? How would I make it sharper? <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 20:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Also, considering he isn't depicted with a collar, I don't think this image would have one. {{Diablo./Sig2|21:19, 17/11/2020}}
 
   
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To create depth, your second layer of shading should only cover like half (or less) of your first layer of shading, [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/983734970797396078/1221827124269416478/image.png?ex=6613fe2e&is=6601892e&hm=53a34ffc5177a130b8aca4a2fd624dcb26cc321dc1bf2c4285976f2ff1e5e749& like so]. For [[:File:Squirrelstar.prisoner.png|Squirrelstar's prisoner]], here is my [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/983734970797396078/1221827179822841856/image.png?ex=6613fe3c&is=6601893c&hm=930687dba4a734e4fd287cf7f6d125645c9723e7a85825fd4c8a81ceddb4f1d5& first layer of shading] and here is [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/983734970797396078/1221827236941008987/image.png?ex=6613fe49&is=66018949&hm=6c6273b0c3d819ca7a2e509e5662b61aea193cad06d356623b9f8213e87324a1& is my second layer]. If you can't see the images, lmk. You see how my second layer only covers a partial portion of the first layer? That's how you create depth :) {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|14:28, 25 3 2024}} 14:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
His fur appears a bit dark overall, but it might be the shading? Also this is just my opinion, but I think the stripes should be more visibly ‘separate’? {{User:Wavetail/Sig2}} 04:06, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Would you mind sending me the PSDs of the shading over Discord? Thanks! <div style="font-family: adelon book;"><span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 0 0 10px #003186; color: #007fff;">[[User:EaglesOfAdrestia|EaglesOfAdrestia]] ([[User talk:EaglesOfAdrestia|talk]])</span></div> 16:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
'''Reuploaded.''' alright, both his fur and his chest fur were definitely too dark, and I thinned out the stripes! i'm not sure about removing the collar though.. I know that he was never shown with a collar, but isn't it mandatory for all cats under the BloodClan blank to still have their collars, regardless of if they've had one or not? i'm so sorry if this is a dumb question! {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 02:40, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Everything looks great so far! Other than what else was mentioned by Vec, I think the eye depth could use some defining as well. Just add a slightly more saturated/darker color than the one in the eye already (or just put the layer on multiply) {{User:Snowdapple/Sig}} <small><span style="{{User:Snowdapple/Time}}">20:04, 3/26/2024</span></small>
nope, some examples of cats without collars are [[:File:Minty (Ro).bc.png|Minty]], [[:File:Tess.bc.png|Tess]], and [[:File:Snapper.bc.png|Snapper]]. if they are not shown with a collar, then they get removed :-) {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:43, 11/21/2020}} 02:43, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I think your shading layer may be over top of your eye color layer as well, would you mind moving the eye color closer to the top so it's not obscured by the shading? {{User:IllusionaryInfiltrator/Sig2}} <big><sup><span style="{{User:IllusionaryInfiltrator/Time}}">09:32, 3/27/2024</span></sup></big>
'''Reuploaded.''' okay! the collar was removed.. I just hope I readjusted his shading right! {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 03:35, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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==[[Minor characters/The Rise of Scourge#Heterochromia rogue|Heterochromatic rogue]] (BC) - For Approval==
The claws should probably be removed, as well. On this, and on the others, since they were never shown with them. {{User:Bluestar11796/Sig}} 04:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 
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[[File:TROS.bc-1.png]] hopefully Scarly's still got it <small><small>(bc she really needs a new art program)</small></small> {{User:Scarletwind/Sig}} 05:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
   
'''Reuploaded.''' removed the claws! {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 16:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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i think it looks good! there’s some waste below the front (->) paw {{User:Willowthroat/Sig2}} 14:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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:bc my old laptop (w/ my pre-2010 ver of pse) barely loads the wiki, i'm gonna wait to upload until i have more comments bc waste is very easy to fix {{User:Scarletwind/Sig}} 19:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
The stripes here still look a lot denser, for the lack of a better word, compared to his set. Also, I think you could thin out the shading some, as it looks as though its making the image a few shades darker than it should be as well. {{Diablo./Sig2|00:55, 26/11/2020}}
 
   
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I think the brown on --> side of the head needs to cover the area below the ear, like the rogue and previous version of this image {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|20:55, 23 3 2024}} 20:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
'''Reuploaded.''' I removed a layer of unnecessary back shading, redid the stripes (I don't understand why the first attempt made them look so dark and dense? my apologies!), changed the color of his paws to match his leader and rogue pixels, and added his whisker spots to once again match the set. {{User:Hopewish/Sig}} 23:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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:I absolutely can, nbd either way, esp since the rogue is done, but from the ref image, the rogue's ears looks airplaned back so we're actually looking at the back of the ear and not the inside like the blank. So I don't think the brown should go much past the corner of the eye. I'd almost argue I have too much brown on the forehead rather than not enough {{User:Scarletwind/Sig}} 20:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
The shading is slightly overblurred to the point where it's making the entire image darker than it should be. I think erasing some of the shading [https://vvcap.com/EuTyeHbyi here] might help. In addition, I counted 7 stripes going up is --> foreleg/shoulder (/''his'' left side), while here I count 8. Removing one on his lower foreleg might do the trick and spacing out the others. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 00:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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I'm not really seeing that, after a quick skim of TROS, but I trust your judgement. Whatever works in all honesty. {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|03:07, 24 3 2024}} 03:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Still working? I know it went a few days without comments before, so I just wanted to make sure you're aware that Vec's comment is here. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:49, 12/2/2020}}
 
   
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:[https://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Cat-Airplane-Ears_marimos_Shutterstock.jpeg this] is what I meant by airplane ears. When the manga shows the inside of the ears, it looks [[:File:Gray rogue.TROS.png|visually]] [[:File:The Old she-cat.TROS.png|different]]. Actually I think most of the ears of the rogue in this book are turned back, but I can fix it tonight {{User:Scarletwind/Sig}} 17:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
== [[Snow (Sister)]] (Lo) ~ For Evaluation ==
 
[[File:Snow (Sister).loner.png]] Thank you Vec for helping me! {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig3|19:41, 17 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
   
I think you could add more shading depth. But this is really good! {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}20:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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i think per the rogue, the brown should be smudged more into the white {{User:Willowthroat/Sig2}} 12:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
   
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Can you blend the shading a little more on the > side of the face, and the neck on the same side, as well as the < shading on the > front leg that curls up towards the neck {{User:Snowdapple/Sig}} <small><span style="{{User:Snowdapple/Time}}">20:06, 3/26/2024</span></small>
Everywhere? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig3|20:58, 17 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
   
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==[[Whitefang]] (A) - For Approval==
Overall, but especially on the legs. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}21:02, 17 November 2020 (UTC)~
 
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[[File:Whitefang.apprentice.png]] {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:17, 3/26/2024}}
   
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Can you add a bit more shading to the chest, and depth to the face/head? {{User:Snowdapple/Sig}} <small><span style="{{User:Snowdapple/Time}}">20:08, 3/26/2024</span></small>
'''Reups''' Thanks Coral! The depth was there, just made it a little more visible. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 21:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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'''Re-uploaded'''. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:02, 3/27/2024}}
could you expand the shading on the farthest hind leg? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|23:12, 11/17/2020}} 23:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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==[[Larkwing (BrS)]] (Alt A) - For Approval==
'''Reups''' la la laaa {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 23:29, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 
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[[File:Larkwing (BrS).apprentice.alt.png]] Was not a fan of the colors I had for the previous version, so I did change those. Still not a fan, we'll see how this works. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:17, 3/26/2024}}
   
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I think a definition of the shading depth may benefit :) either that or possibly just darkening the shading {{User:Snowdapple/Sig}} <small><span style="{{User:Snowdapple/Time}}">19:53, 3/26/2024</span></small>
smudge the ear shading a bit? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:56, 11/18/2020}} 02:56, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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Agreeing with above. Perhaps using a slightly different colour than the texture will help. {{User:Bramble321/Sig}} 13:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
sorry, meant ear pink*, not shading {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:57, 11/18/2020}} 02:57, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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'''Re-uploaded'''. Could not get it to work, just removed it and tweaked some other things. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:06, 3/27/2024}}
'''Reups''' is this better? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 03:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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==[[Newtspeck]] (A) - For Approval==
'''Reups x 2''' I fidgeted with the back leg shading. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 17:06, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 
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[[File:Newtspeck.apprentice.png]] am so sick of this pattern lol {{Diablo./Sig2|08:26, 27/3/2024}}
   
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it ''is'' really pretty! i think, per the starclan and warrior, that the marking on the (<-) haunch should have a speck under the trail going this (->) way. im sorry if that was confusing, i can provide a redline if needed {{User:Willowthroat/Sig2}} 12:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
the overall shading can be smoothened out a bit, and expanded on the legs. {{User:Banana Spirit/Sig2|07:23, 11/23/2020}}
 
   
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Only want a redline becuse what do you mean by trail? also keep in mind that both the starclan and warrior have a more relaxed pose compared to this blank so things are a little more stretched out. {{Diablo./Sig2|18:37, 27/3/2024}}
'''Reups x3''' More fidgeting with shading. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig3|02:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
   
smoothen the shading on the hind leg furthest away from us. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|04:28, 11/19/2020}}
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i think willow means tail and not trail, i can see the speck of ginger but imo the hind leg would cover it {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|23:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)}}
   
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i did mean trail, lol, that was probably confusing. here are your redlines ([https://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/e/ea/20240327192156%21Willowthroat.personal.png][https://images.wikia.com/warriors/images/archive/e/ea/20240327192149%21Willowthroat.personal.png]) {{User:Willowthroat/Sig2}} 23:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
'''Reups''' it was kinda smooth already but hope it's better. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 04:41, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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== [[Minor characters/The Rise of Scourge|Grayish Brown-and-White Rouge (R)]] ~ For Approval ==
expand the shading on the foreleg furthest away from us just a tad?{{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|11:43, 11/19/2020}}
 
   
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[[File:TROS.rogue-9.png]] tried something different with my shading this time {{User:IllusionaryInfiltrator/Sig2}} <big><sup><span style="{{User:IllusionaryInfiltrator/Time}}">20:59, 3/27/2024</span></sup></big>
Can I have a second opinion on that please? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 17:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
   
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==[[Thornclaw|Thornclaw Alt]] (W) - Declined==
True, Fawn. Star, the shading on the right forepaw could be smoothened, and over the shading on the legs could be expanded. {{user:Coralflame/Sig}}17:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
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[[File:Thornclaw alt.png]] ''"This approval is gonna be smooth, i can feel it in my-"'' famous last words <div style="color:black;font-family:Comic Sans MS;">''-zomb<sup>[[User:Zzzombieclawz|Is it saturday yet?]]</sup>'' </div><div style="position:relative;"><div><div style="overflow-y:hidden;">[[File:Zzzombieclawz.personal.png|User talk:Zzzombieclawz/talk]]</div></div> <div style="position: absolute; overflow: auto; top:0;"></div></div> 22:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
   
It could be expanded just a tad. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 17:17, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
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unless im missing something, this isn't part of the available art. {{User:Velochisaur/Sig|22:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)}}
   
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Declined for that reason. The only available artwork you can choose from is from [[Warriors_Wiki:Charart/List]]. {{User:Vector Sigma/Sig2|23:31, 27 3 2024}} 23:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Okay just to confirm: Smoothen the shading on the right forepaw and expand the shading on the legs a tad. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 17:20, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reups''' it may look like nothing happened but I did my best to smoothen the shading and expand it a tad. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 23:17, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''reups x 2''' we might have overblurred shading... {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|05:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
It's not overblurred, but I do think it could be expanded on places like the neck. Perhaps kind of like how [[:File:Buster.loner.png|Buster's loner]] is shaded. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:47, 11/21/2020}}
 
 
'''Reups''' thanks jayce for the reference :) {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|19:27, 21 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
shading can be expanded on the foreleg furthest away from us. {{User:Banana Spirit/Sig2|11:44, 11/22/2020}}
 
 
Why was this image reverted? The image needs the shading, half of this looks like a blank canvas and there's no shading on the head or ears or even shoulders, when there really should be to bring out the muscles and shape of the cat. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|18:26, 11/22/2020}}
 
 
Sorry about that {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|18:49, 22 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
'''Reups''' looks like the shading leaked. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|19:52, 22 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
smooth the shoulder shading {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|05:00, 11/23/2020}} 05:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reup''' this didn't make much of a difference and I still have a feeling like it's overblurred. I'll tweak it more later. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 21:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
shading is leaking in a lot of places. {{User:Fawn that Crosses Stream/Sig2|08:48, 11/26/2020}}
 
 
Can I have a second opinion please? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 15:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
some places i can see it leaking are the tail, the neck, shoulder, and a bit on the belly, towards the haunch. also, smooth the shading depth specifically out a bit? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|20:49, 11/26/2020}} 20:49, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
The shading could overall be darkened a fraction. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}03:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reup''' {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig|03:29, 30 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
Can you add a little more shading to the <—- back leg? {{User:Sunshade/Sig|7:21, 12/1/20}}
 
 
'''Reups''' This looks bad I'll smoothen the shading when I can. {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|17:26, 1 December 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
In my opinion, you just need to on the back leg farthest from us. It looks fine everywhere else. {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|16:50, 12/02/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' I still feel like that back leg is off... {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig|17:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
== [[Millie]] (Star) - CBA ==
 
 
[[File:Millie.star.png]] Gonna need a lot of help on this one. {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:20, 11/25/2020}}
 
 
The colors are slightly off (or it's just my PC). {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig}} 02:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
I colorpicked from her other images. It might just be the shading? Can I get a second opinion? {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:24, 11/25/2020}}
 
 
The colors look fine to me. But can you give the shading a little more depth? {{User:Sunshade/Sig|2:34, 11/25/20}}
 
 
[[User:.iNebula|Star]] probably has the file for the kit, if you'd like to use that for referencing colors, Sleek. They're hanging around and could probably send you the kit file. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|02:42, 11/25/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' For depth; if the colors are off, I’ll ask for the kit file, but I don’t think they are? I tried to colorpick from the warrior, queen and kp. {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:55, 11/25/2020}}
 
 
smooth the shading, define the tail shading, define the eye depth, smudge the stripes more {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:56, 11/25/2020}} 02:56, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
also, the shading appears to be leaking on the butt, and possibly near the bottom of the chest? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:57, 11/25/2020}} 02:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|19:42, 11/25/2020}}
 
 
This looks amazing, Sleek! Could you define the shading depth, mainly in the chest area? It appears a little flat, being completely covered in the darkness. Also, I think, going by her warrior - the front leg closest to us, would have a couple more stripes on it? {{Diablo./Sig2|00:52, 26/11/2020}}
 
 
Adding onto my previous comment as well; I think her muzzle and belly are also intended to be the same colour as her lighter paws? {{Diablo./Sig2|01:25, 26/11/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' Matching stripes is haaaard {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|16:48, 11/26/2020}}
 
 
it looks nice, though! define the shading depth on the chest, face, and flank some more? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|20:45, 11/26/2020}} 20:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' Hrmm shading fiddling intensifies {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|22:08, 11/26/2020}}
 
 
A think it could use a bit more depth. A suggestion I have for adding more depth is make a new layer and choose a darker shade of your main shading color. You can place the darker color on, smudge it, and then fiddle with the layer's opacity until it's at a nice range. {{User:Patchfeather14/Sig2}} 17:26, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
[https://imgur.com/a/F5t0PiU That's exactly what I did.] Should I expand it more? <small>guys I know how to do depth I promise</small> {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|17:29, 11/28/2020}}
 
 
The flank and face shading seem very flat. Could you expand it? The normal shading should be slight, and the depth a darker shade of the 'normal' shading to make the impression of shading depth. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}17:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
It is darker, the photo I linked is just a bit low quality but I can assure you that the depth shading is darker than the main shading color. And I’m not sure what you mean by slight? {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|20:07, 11/28/2020}}
 
 
Perhaps try setting your layers to multiply and having the first shading layer be at a lower opacity than the second layer? Or darken your second shading layer regardless. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 02:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
I think in this case, it's just misleading due to where the stripes and pale parts meet. I think the depth is perfectly acceptable. I've seen images with less shading depth get approved. More often than not, these kinds of patterns (with pale parts) are a little more difficult to get depth on those respective spots. If you absolutely feel you need to fix it, Sleek, Vec's suggestion is pretty sound and might produce some good results. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|02:50, 11/29/2020}}
 
 
Even still, the lack of depth is still apparent even on the gray areas, such as the head and shoulder. Another thing you could try, now that I think of it, is reduce your second layer of shading so it doesn't completely cover your first layer of shading. Or curving your second layer of chest shading, like [[:File:Broken Shadow.star.png|Broken Shadow's]] for example. That area is big enough in the pale area that some depth should still be seen. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 03:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
For me, it works if you can adjust the opacity of the first shading layer to make it very light, enough that you can see some depth. The second layer is about 20% darker, in the terms of ocpacity <small>(I'm terrible at spelling don't mind it)</small>. The chest area doesn't have to be completely be covered in shading, our lefts' shoulder shading be expanded, and I think some of the upper face shading should be removed, to make it less dense overall. And I feel that the ear shading could especially more depth and shading. And could you expand the flank shading on the right, to about the top of the shoulder blade? And shouldn't the shading curve overall to make it look more real? {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}22:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' Attempted to address all the comments and oh...oh no... {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:12, 11/30/2020}}
 
 
Could you smoothen the chest, face, and flank shading? The tail shading seems faint, and I can't see much of depth on the flank. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}02:14, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' By flank do you mean the belly? Because I can definitely see depth there <small> even though it looks really bad</small> {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:44, 11/30/2020}}
 
 
Yeah, the belly. And could you expand the face shading a tiny bit to extend into the muzzle? {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}02:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|01:00, 12/01/2020}}
 
 
CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|01:43, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Minor_characters/Ravenpaw's Path#Gray BloodClan cat|Gray BloodClan cat]] (BC) - CBA==
 
[[File:RP-2.bc-6.png]] {{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 00:20, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
this looks nice! define the eye depth? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|01:13, 11/27/2020}} 01:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Can you add some shading behind the head, along the back? {{Diablo./Sig2|01:17, 27/11/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded.''' Thank you, Madie. ^^ {{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 18:59, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Remove the claws. I checked, and this cat doesn't have claws. {{User:Bluestar11796/Sig}} 20:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded. '''{{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 21:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
There should still be lineart for the dewclaw, on the outstretched paw. See Gremlin's bloodclan for example, or even an earlier revision of this blank without thr claws. {{Diablo./Sig2|21:20, 28/11/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded. '''{{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 01:29, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
I think there are one or two teeth not filled in on the collar, especially when you compare it to the gray cat above yours. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 00:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded. '''{{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 21:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Add a little bit of shading underneath where the collar sits at the neck/chest area. {{Diablo./Sig2|06:03, 01/12/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded. '''{{User:Ripplewater/Sig2|}} 04:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:50, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Nettlesplash]] (KP) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Nettlesplash.kittypet.png]] {{User:Ivybreeze/Sig}} 23:25, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Maybe it's me, or this seems darker than the rest of the set? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|02:13, 28 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
Hmm, I noticed this issue as well. I agree with you that it looks darker than the warrior and kit, but not the apprentice. I used the same base color as I did on the loner, which I colorpicked, I believe, from the original warrior. Looking at my kittypet image compared with the original set (original kit, apprentice, original warrior, and original kittypet) I don't think it visually looks any darker and my efforts to colorpick from those images returned similar colors to the one I used for the loner and kittypet. It could be that I'm not getting accurate values due to the shading on those images and that Thunder may have had the files and gotten the correct colors for his kit and warrior. If that is the case, then I will certainly fix the base color here and tweak the loner, but right now I'd like to respectfully ask for someone else to take a look at this issue. {{User:Ivybreeze/Sig}} 03:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
True, the base color seems less sandy then the original warrior. But it's possible that the shading is effecting my vision, as it's more of a piney color, rather then a straight darker shade of the base for the warrior. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}05:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
It seems to match the [[:File:Nettlesplash.loner.png|loner]] and [[:File:Nettlesplash.apprentice.png|apprentice]], but not so much the [[:File:Nettlesplash.warrior.png|warrior]] or [[:File:Nettlesplash.kit.png|kit]]. {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|15:10, 11/28/2020}}
 
 
I'm the one who picked the color for this pattern, so the apprentice bears the best coloring to match the master colors, as it's the only one of mine still left. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|01:42, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
'''Re-uploaded'''. I colorpicked from the apprentice and got a color that was a bit lighter, so I'm using that now. I definitely feel that the base color matches the apprentice and the original set. Some of the difference between this image and the current warrior and the kit is probably related to the shading tint. {{User:Ivybreeze/Sig}} 21:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== [[Minor characters/Graystripe's Vow#Patchy tom|Patchy tom]] (BloodClan) - CBA==
 
[[File:SE-13.bc-5.png]] {{User:Brzoza the drzewokrzew/Sig}} 21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Nice job! Although can you smoothen the shading overall just a very small bit? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig2|02:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
It ''may'' need smoothening, but keep in mind that this is a shading style. {{User:Sleekfang/Sig2|02:15, 11/29/2020}}
 
 
style or not, i agree the shading does need to be smoothened. {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|02:40, 11/29/2020}} 02:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
I gotta agree with Madie, but I don't think it needs to be smoothed out too much. Plenty of images here have harder-edged shading. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|02:45, 11/29/2020}}
 
 
This looks a tiny bit cross-eyed. {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|04:36, 11/29/2020}}
 
 
I think it's just the texture of the shading and roughness. {{User:Sunshade/Sig|7:51, 11/29/20}}
 
 
Some additional depth could be added to >> forepaw and backpaw, as the rest of the side is quite heavily shaded. {{Diablo./Sig2|05:59, 30/11/2020}}
 
 
'''Reupload''' {{User:Brzoza the drzewokrzew/Sig}} 16:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:56, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Furze]] (Lo) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Furze.loner.png]] Lord Furze has returned, and the set is complete once more. {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|04:07, 11/29/2020}}
 
 
Could you smooth out the tail shading, ever so slightly? {{Diablo./Sig2|05:58, 30/11/2020}}
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|03:11, 12/01/2020}}
 
 
perhaps define the shading depth a tad? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|06:56, 12/01/2020}} 06:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Reuploaded''' {{User:Potato Flakin/Sig2|03:22, 12/03/2020}}
 
 
== [[Moonlight]] (Lo) - For Approval ==
 
 
[[File:Moonlight.loner.png]] {{User:Sunshade/Sig|6:16, 11/29/20}}
 
 
could you lighten the shading a bit? {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 10:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''reups''' {{User:Sunshade/Sig|18:44, 11/29/20}}
 
 
If we are keeping the modified tail lineart for her, could you make the tail the same thickness from base to tip? Generally, the fur would taper slightly, but the current styling is a little too much of a taper. {{Diablo./Sig2|05:59, 30/11/2020}}
 
 
'''reuploaded''' i’ll work on it later i know it sucks {{User:Sunshade/Sig|5:53, 12/1/20}}
 
 
Sorry, but I meant the base of it - where it meets the legs, should be just as fluffy as the rest of it. {{Diablo./Sig2|06:02, 01/12/2020}}
 
 
'''reups,''' cleaned up the tail. {{User:Sunshade/Sig|7:18, 12/1/20}}
 
 
It looks like we might be removing the tail, based on how the discussion is going. Could you possibly have a version with the regular tail in the upload history just in case? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:57, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Minor_characters/The_Darkest_Hour#BloodClan_tabby|BloodClan tabby]] (BC) - CBA==
 
[[File:OS-6.bc-4.png]] slapped on several layers of texture and called it a day. {{User:VectorSigma101/Sig}} 00:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 
 
CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:57, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Minor characters/Graystripe's Vow#Ginger she-cat 2|Ginger she-cat]] (BC) - CBA==
 
[[File:SE-13.bc-4.png]]Colors from rogue. Comments? {{User:Bluestar11796/Sig}} 02:13, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
CBA? {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|16:57, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
== [[Daisy (cat)|Daisy]] (KP) - For Approval ==
 
 
[[File:Daisy.kittypet.png]]
 
 
I wasn't sure if I should add texture, since her main image has it but the others don't?
 
[[User:Aethalcyon|Aethalcyon]] ([[User talk:Aethalcyon|talk]]) 17:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
the queen doesn't have texture, just textured shading, so you're good. define the shading depth? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|20:54, 12/01/2020}} 20:54, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''reups''' - added more depth to the shading. [[User:Aethalcyon|Aethalcyon]] ([[User talk:Aethalcyon|talk]]) 22:52, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Could you move the dorsal stripe of the tail to the edge of the tail, if that makes any sense? {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 20:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''reups''' - moved the tail stripes. [[User:Aethalcyon|Aethalcyon]] ([[User talk:Aethalcyon|talk]]) 00:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
== [[Fang]] (Lo) - For Approval ==
 
 
[[File:Fang.loner.png]] bip bap bam {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|22:45, 12/01/2020}} 22:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Can you define the texture? {{User:Star that Shimmers on Water/Sig|23:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)}}
 
 
i tried to make it lighter to match the other images, which also have hardly visible texture (at least, hardly visible on my screen), so could i maybe get a second opinion on that? {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|23:32, 12/01/2020}} 23:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
I think the texture looks good as-is, when compared to the other images. [[User:Aethalcyon|Aethalcyon]] ([[User talk:Aethalcyon|talk]]) 03:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
==[[Fallen Leaves]] (Star) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Fallen Leaves.star.png]] I love it when they make rank mistakes for my fluffy boy. All colors are from the other images... but I think the shading's too dark. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|03:29, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
im not sure the shading is too dark, but i believe it's leaking along the bottom of the flank {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|03:33, 12/02/2020}} 03:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
'''Re-uploaded'''. Lightened the shading anyways, because I really didn't like how dark it was. {{User:SnowedLightning/Sig2|03:48, 12/2/2020}}
 
 
==[[Stone Song (PoT)]] (Star) - For Approval==
 
[[File:Stone Song (PoT).star.png]] Now Broken Shadow's happy for once and for all. Tried shading from bottom diagonal right. Guessing the sharpclaw is the main. {{User:Coralflame/Sig}}20:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
expand the tail shading a bit? also, smudge the stripes a bit more? this is pretty! {{User:Homosneksual/Sig2|20:40, 12/02/2020}} 20:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 
 
Nice! Could you give the shading some more depth? {{User:Cypressdusk/Sig}} 20:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 

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Brown tabby-and-white rogue (Ro)- For Approval

TROS.rogue-8 kitty cat Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 21:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the shading could be smoothed out on the haunch and belly, reduced on the closer foreleg, and more could be added under the chin. - arenzel 22:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

can you define the shading? Winter Just say my name! »22:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)«

there is also some leaky shading on the hind leg towards the paw closest to us ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 00:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 01:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

just the tinniest little speck of waste by the tail. i love these stripes ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 01:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

i think this guy also needs a nicked ear ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 15:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Reups I checked with the discord and because the ear nick in the art is on a part of the ear which isn’t visible from this angle, it isn’t necessary. Also shout out to my magic wand tool for including that speck, really making life easier lol Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 02:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the shading overall looks a bit blocky and flat—if the light is coming from the bottom, the shading could be reduced on the legs. For shading placement, I think it could flow better with the shape of the body, to give a visual I’ve redlined the torso. I also recommend referencing images like File:TROS.rogue-12.png or File:Mouse Ear.rogue.png ^^ - arenzel 03:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 01:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you potentially tweak the shading color just a little bit? It looks like it's blending in with the stripe color, if that makes sense. Jayce(01:54, 3/16/2024)

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 21:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The colors need to match exactly with the official artwork, but I think it's the saturated shading that's causing issues. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 23:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

If it isn’t already, the shading layer should be set to “multiply“ so that it doesn’t blend in with the stripes or pelt. - arenzel 18:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Reups thanks for the tip! Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 16:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

can you darken/define the depth? ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 18:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 22:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

reups didn't like the shading —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bramble321 (talkcontribs)

it looks very neon, mind tuning it down? Winter Just say my name! »21:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)«

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 00:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you mind desaturating your shading hue a bit more? It's making the white parts, such as the belly, look brown. I'm also having a hard time making out the white in the eye. But this is really good :) Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

reups thanks Vec, I'm really proud of it :D Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 22:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

CBA? Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 14:22, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

so sorry to break, this is very pretty, but i think that some shading on the haunch closest to us and that tail could be smoothed out a bit ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 16:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 18:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Re-CBA? Jayce(18:18, 3/26/2024)

Hey, sorry to break CBA but I believe this needs a tad more work. Could you add more shading to the back of the head, and possibly remove the shading under the chin? It looks a bit out of place with the light source. I believe the chest shading could be smoothed out a little more as well. Winter 20:02, 3/26/2024

reups Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Duskfur (Prisoner) - For Evaluation

Duskfur.prisoner

23:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Nice work :) I think the shading could be defined and sharpened overall--I'd suggest referencing other prisoner images for shading, such as File:Mintfur (RC).prisoner.png, File:Stormfur.prisoner.png, or File:Twigbranch.prisoner.png. The stripes could also be thicker, and if you'd like, I can also send you the psd file for her elder/leader images via Discord ^^ - arenzel 23:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks!

23:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC) I upped the opacity on the shading and made the stripes thicker. Does this look good? If this isn't the shading you're looking for, is there a tutorial somewhere on that defined/sharpened shading?

23:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking good! I see some waste (content outside of the lines) from the shading, could you remove that? The eyes need more defined highlights, and the stripes may need to be smoothened. I recommend using smudge tool, a painting brush, or a smaller brush to go over the stripes to give them a more smoothened look for the fur. Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 00:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

i think if you made your lineart the top layer, that would get rid of some of it. could you also dull the highlights on the tail? ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 00:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good! A few questions, when I use the smudge tool, should I go over the lines completely or in a specific pattern? Should I highlight the eyes by adding white shading or making the eyes a brighter color? With the tail, should I choose a darker color or add less of the gradient? Thanks!

01:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

when i use the smudge tool (which is not a whole lot so sorry if this is bad/confusing) i smudge it along the general direction of fur. so in this case i would smudge the body in an arc, and the legs separately. As for the highlights, you only need to do 1 or 2 pixels without blurring, as seen in other files such as File:Stormfur.prisoner.png and File:Sol.prisoner.png. i also think that you could define the shading all over, with guides as File:Stonefur.prisoner.png and File:Twigbranch.prisoner.png. This looks great, and i know it can be hard at first :) ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 01:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Made a new version. Drew the eyes on instead (since prisoners don't seem to have defined eyes, most have just been drawing it on it seems), tried the smudge fur technique, and removed a tiny bit of shading near the eyes. I added multiply and changed the color of shading to a dark brown. How's this? Maybe I could make it sharper; would I just redo the shading but blur it less?

01:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

this looks so good! no, the shading seems just fine for now. the stripes (im sorry) could be a little less smudged. You use ibis paint x, yes? i like to lower the opacity or strength of my smudge tools, and that usually helps me have a more controlled smudge. ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 01:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Redid the smudging with 70% power instead of 100%.

02:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks much better! I think the pale part on the tail could be expanded and made less blurry. I fear you may have over smudged the stripes a bit—-I would suggest taking a slightly softer brush (I use Ibis as well; I’d probably use “Dip Pen (Soft)“) at a thin size and lower opacity and lightly drawing over the stripes just to give them more shape. More shading could also be added to the back/neck and the tail. - arenzel 03:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Added some more shading to the tail and back and tried the smudge fur once again. I don't think I'm understanding the right technique, but I tried to use less strokes to make this one. Should I just redraw the stripes with a softer brush? Should I be doing multiple strokes? I'm doing multiple strokes to keep the fur consistent to make it look like it's going in a certain direction.

04:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

looks fine to me, but i dont really have a whole lot of experience with the smudge brush. i think some shading could be added to the -> paw. I could also send over a shading placement chart via discord if it helped. ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 15:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Shading placement would be awesome, thanks! I couldn't find the shading placement on the tutorials page so I referenced Icewing's prisoner, but more defined shading would be great, thank you! My Discord is raquesis_lionheart.

16:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Earlier I was basically saying that you may have smudged the stripes a bit too much--I think that you could still take a pencil/pen (not smudge) brush and draw over them to help fix that, since they currently blend into the fur a bit too much imo. The muzzle and tail should also have the pale color that's on the chest. - arenzel 22:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking better! My comment about the waste still stands though it seems that the stripes are of main concern right now. I use ibis paint x as well. What I do with my stripes is use a small sized dip pen brush to go over the stripes. It helps give a smudged effect without over smudging. You can also do that when adding the pale colours to make them flow more with the main pelt colour. And for the waste, it appears to be from the shading layer on —> side. It’s just best to erase it out, but be sure to use a small eraser when close to lines since we don’t want the shading to be erased! Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 02:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

i think she needs a pale muzzle. Winter Just say my name! »03:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)«

Added a pale muzzle and redid the shading. I also went over the smudged stripes to try and make them less oversmudged, did I do it right?

04:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I like the progress you've made! Could you lighten the shading just a bit? It appears rather dark. Jayce(04:56, 3/15/2024)

Forgot to lower the opacity of the shading later, whoops.

04:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

this looks good for a first time :) i think the edges of the paler muzzle could be smudged or blurred, just a tad to make it blend more with the fur. ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 14:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

if you also put your shading layer on 45 % opacity it will be just dark enough to define the shading, without making the image look overly-shaded. (i hope that made sense) ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 14:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Lowered opacity of shading to 45% and blurred the muzzle.

14:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

i still can't see the paler parts of the muzzle. Winter Just say my name! »21:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)«

agreeing with winter on this, i think it could be defined. if you redid it and went over the edgeds with a 9 % opacity bursh as did with the shading, it would be okay. ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 21:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Adding onto the previous comments about the pale parts, erasing some of the shading on the muzzle might also help it stand out more. There still also doesn't seem to be the pale color on the tail that's visible at the top of the tail on the warrior, elder, and leader. - arenzel 22:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Got rid of some shading near the muzzle and readded and dulled the tail part again.

22:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

i feel like it could be defined more, i'd look at File:Duskfur.leader.png for the pale muzzle and tail placement. :) Winter Just say my name! »23:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)«

Is this better?

02:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC) I feel like the muzzle needed a redo so I redid it. Am I missing anything? Should I redo anything else?

14:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the pale parts on the muzzle and tail look a bit too blurry at the edges. The shading also looks a bit cloudy and flat—I would recommend adding a second layer of thinner shading on top to make it pop a bit more (my general rule of thumb is to have the second layer be about half the size of the main shading layer); the apprentice tutorials have some tips for shading depth at Warriors Wiki:Charart/Apprentice Tutorials#White cats which may help as well ^^ - arenzel 18:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Reuploaded

23:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

i think if you give the paler undertail the same amount of definition as the muzzle, it would be better ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 23:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Reuploaded

04:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

could you fix the eartip? ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 12:35, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out!

17:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Could you sharpen the shading/erase some from the -> side of the paws/legs, since they look almost completely covered with shading right now? - arenzel 22:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Reuploaded

23:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the pale on the tail could be better defined just a bit, and the shading overall needs depth. File:Stonefur.prisoner.png and File:Icewing.prisoner.png are good examples of well defined shading depth. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 22:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Reuploaded

23:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

This is good progress. I would recede your second layer of shading a bit, so erase some of it. I can see the depth, but your shading layers seem almost exactly the same. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Should I just lower/increase the opacity? How would I make it sharper?

20:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

To create depth, your second layer of shading should only cover like half (or less) of your first layer of shading, like so. For Squirrelstar's prisoner, here is my first layer of shading and here is is my second layer. If you can't see the images, lmk. You see how my second layer only covers a partial portion of the first layer? That's how you create depth :) Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 14:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Would you mind sending me the PSDs of the shading over Discord? Thanks!

16:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Everything looks great so far! Other than what else was mentioned by Vec, I think the eye depth could use some defining as well. Just add a slightly more saturated/darker color than the one in the eye already (or just put the layer on multiply) Winter 20:04, 3/26/2024

I think your shading layer may be over top of your eye color layer as well, would you mind moving the eye color closer to the top so it's not obscured by the shading? Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 09:32, 3/27/2024

Heterochromatic rogue (BC) - For Approval

TROS.bc-1 hopefully Scarly's still got it (bc she really needs a new art program) ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 05:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

i think it looks good! there’s some waste below the front (->) paw ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 14:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

bc my old laptop (w/ my pre-2010 ver of pse) barely loads the wiki, i'm gonna wait to upload until i have more comments bc waste is very easy to fix ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 19:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the brown on --> side of the head needs to cover the area below the ear, like the rogue and previous version of this image Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 20:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I absolutely can, nbd either way, esp since the rogue is done, but from the ref image, the rogue's ears looks airplaned back so we're actually looking at the back of the ear and not the inside like the blank. So I don't think the brown should go much past the corner of the eye. I'd almost argue I have too much brown on the forehead rather than not enough ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 20:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really seeing that, after a quick skim of TROS, but I trust your judgement. Whatever works in all honesty. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:07, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

this is what I meant by airplane ears. When the manga shows the inside of the ears, it looks visually different. Actually I think most of the ears of the rogue in this book are turned back, but I can fix it tonight ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 17:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

i think per the rogue, the brown should be smudged more into the white ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 12:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you blend the shading a little more on the > side of the face, and the neck on the same side, as well as the < shading on the > front leg that curls up towards the neck Winter 20:06, 3/26/2024

Whitefang (A) - For Approval

Whitefang.apprentice Jayce(18:17, 3/26/2024)

Can you add a bit more shading to the chest, and depth to the face/head? Winter 20:08, 3/26/2024

Re-uploaded. Jayce(18:02, 3/27/2024)

Larkwing (BrS) (Alt A) - For Approval

Larkwing (BrS).apprentice.alt Was not a fan of the colors I had for the previous version, so I did change those. Still not a fan, we'll see how this works. Jayce(18:17, 3/26/2024)

I think a definition of the shading depth may benefit :) either that or possibly just darkening the shading Winter 19:53, 3/26/2024

Agreeing with above. Perhaps using a slightly different colour than the texture will help. Brambleheart ♥ ♫ 13:33, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. Could not get it to work, just removed it and tweaked some other things. Jayce(18:06, 3/27/2024)

Newtspeck (A) - For Approval

Newtspeck.apprentice am so sick of this pattern lol max it is the real thing, (08:26, 27/3/2024)

it is really pretty! i think, per the starclan and warrior, that the marking on the (<-) haunch should have a speck under the trail going this (->) way. im sorry if that was confusing, i can provide a redline if needed ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 12:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Only want a redline becuse what do you mean by trail? also keep in mind that both the starclan and warrior have a more relaxed pose compared to this blank so things are a little more stretched out. max it is the real thing, (18:37, 27/3/2024)

i think willow means tail and not trail, i can see the speck of ginger but imo the hind leg would cover it Winter Just say my name! »23:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)«

i did mean trail, lol, that was probably confusing. here are your redlines ([1][2]) ~WILLOWTHROAT~ -- 23:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Grayish Brown-and-White Rouge (R) ~ For Approval

TROS.rogue-9 tried something different with my shading this time Illusion ☄. *. ⋆ 20:59, 3/27/2024

Thornclaw Alt (W) - Declined

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22:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

unless im missing something, this isn't part of the available art. Winter Just say my name! »22:58, 27 March 2024 (UTC)«

Declined for that reason. The only available artwork you can choose from is from Warriors_Wiki:Charart/List. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 23:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)