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White Rogue (Ro) - For Evaluation
This is my first charart. I tried my best and I hope you guys like it! Iceclaw111 17:24, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
The image is too pixelated and isn't the right size. It needs to be the same size as the rogue blanks. There's also no shading (which is a requirement of the project) that I can see. —Jayce(17:48, 5/04/2020)
As Jayce said, the file size is way too big; it should be 176x112 pixels but this is 611x408 pixels. Make sure to download the blank properly from the pixel blanks. This image also needs shading, to which you can view a shading placement guide on our apprentice tutorials along with other helpful information. Also do not thumb or align your image as it messes with the page layout. Also, from which book is this rogue from? Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 17:48, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I did download the blank from the blank page, but something must have happened. Do you think I should scrap this one and try again?Iceclaw111 18:01, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
The rouge is from a clan in need. 18:02, May 4, 2020 (UTC)Iceclaw111
From my experiences with prior users who face this problem, they ultimate redo the image once they have the correct file size. And is this rogue listed on our minor characters page? Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 18:07, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
Yes the rouge is in the minor characters page, you can go to it by looking at the reservation table then clicking on the dashed rouge link. Iceclaw111 18:12, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
I think there might be some confusion as to who this character is; if they're from a Clan in Need, they'd be listed on the above page Vec linked, which they are but, under a different description due to the coloured reprint. I'd maybe suggest looking there to see which of the linked cats under the Clan in Need heading matches this character's debut in the graphic novels (if that makes sense? I don't have a copy of these books handy). If they do match up to one listed on the minor characters for those books, I'd suggest matching to the coloured description. — max it is the real thing, (22:32, 04/5/2020)
Lets just call it the white cat with blue eyes, I will add the blue eyes in and fix the teeth up. Iceclaw111 16:19, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
Oh and dont delcine it just yet because there is a background I am working on removing it. Iceclaw111 16:31, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
Re Uploaded --Iceclaw111 17:10, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
Re Uploaded I added some shading to the face and re did the teeth on the collar.Iceclaw111 19:50, May 5, 2020 (UTC)
Iceclaw, the charart needs to be of a character from the books, whether it be named or simply a minor character. If you cannot find the colored version of this cat from the minor characters page, it will be declined. ♥ Star red and black ♥<21:09, 5/05/2020>a's your turn" data-rte-attribs=" style title=?it's your turn?">r❄ 've been looking for" data-rte-attribs=" style title=?are you the one i've been looking for?">show yourself, i'm ready to learn<21:09, 5/05/2020>
White BloodClan catEdit Noimage Description: long-haired white cat with blue eyes and a black tooth-studded collar[8] Rank(s): BloodClan[8] History: They are shown fighting over scraps with a white BloodClan cat when the ThunderClan patrol arrives at Twolegplace. They are promptly scared off and are seen dashing off intro the streets. That is the one. I do not know why it was called a dashed rouge, but it indeed is white. Can I change the name from dashed rouge to white rouge? --Iceclaw111 02:33, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Now its a longhaired cat --Iceclaw111 03:15, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
The shading needs a lot more definition and depth, as right now, the image is still rather flat. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 16:24, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
Reup I had to reupload twice due to a mistake. Added more shading. Thanks Potato! --Iceclaw111 17:10, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Changing the shading. --Iceclaw111 17:28, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
I went ahead and renamed it for you. Please continue to reupload over File:RP-2.rogue-10.png. There also appears to be missing lineart over the image. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 02:06, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Fixed the lineart. Thanks Vec! --Iceclaw111 15:49, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Messed with the shading, and fixed more of the lineart. --Iceclaw111 15:58, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
Please define and expand the shading. Also, I'm not sure what those gray lines are meant to be. Is it texture? ♥ Star red and black ♥<16:25, 5/07/2020>a's your turn" data-rte-attribs=" style title=?it's your turn?">r❄ 've been looking for" data-rte-attribs=" style title=?are you the one i've been looking for?">show yourself, i'm ready to learn<16:25, 5/07/2020>
https://vvcap.com/FCQQvRsQw here is the redline for the teeth on the collar you wanted. Can you fix the blurred line art? —PatchfeatherHangar 18, I know too much 23:36, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
Reup Thanks for the redline Patch. I feel as if there is something wrong with the teeh though.
Iceclaw111 19:33, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
The teeth are too large and there are still several instances of the lineart being covered accidentally throughout the image. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 16:05, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Reup --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! 16:48, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
Reup I love the shading now. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 19:55, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
ReupGonna shade the head next --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 20:25, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Reup --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 20:34, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Darken the shading more, especially on the tail. Unless this cat is depicted with texturr, it shouldn't have it. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 20:36, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Reup I removed the texture and darkened the shading. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 21:04, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
why does it look blurry? the lineart and shading seem to be on the same layer? ~Ripple ☆ 21:07, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Yes they are on the same layer, should I change that? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 21:26, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Yes. If you shade on the lineart layer, you risk blurring the lineart. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 21:53, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
I suggest deleting the current lineart since it's already blurry and uploading a clean one. your layers should also be in multiply mode, i think. ~Ripple ☆ 23:48, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
Smooth out the shading a little bit, and maybe define the shading a little more on the tail. —Ivy ☆ 12:59, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
I will get to work on it today. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 13:37, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
Reup What do yall think? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 23:28, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
Lineart is still blurry; can you please fix that? — max it is the real thing, (23:35, 19/5/2020)
Good job, it’s looking good! Try putting a lineart layer on top of everything and remove the white so you can see what’s under, that should help. --Wavetail Ya Yeet 02:21, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
How do I do that on GIMP Wavetail? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 02:23, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
reups Better now? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 03:09, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
The lineart is still covered on the tail, haunches and legs. Make sure your lineart layer is at the top and nothing covers it. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 05:02, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
It is, and in gimp it looks all good, but it wont save. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 14:24, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded I hope it is better. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 14:50, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
The lineart is still very blurry. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 15:19, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Shoot! I forgot the earpink! --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 15:25, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
reup --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 15:35, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
The lineart is still blurry on the head and stomach. I also believe hink you should check for waste. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 15:55, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
reuploaded I think it is all good now. I hope y'all like my style of shading, its different. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 16:04, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
The shading seems to be leaking overall. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 16:06, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Can I have a second opinion? I already cleaned up the waste. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 16:13, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
No, leaking shading is not waste. The shading is leaking away from the lineart. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 16:16, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
So you want me to shade closer to the lineart? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 16:18, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Fixing minor things. --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 16:21, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Yes. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 16:28, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Reup Better? --Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 16:39, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
smooth out the shading to make it look less blotchy ~Ripple ☆ 20:11, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Spotfur (Re) - For Approval
Might mess with the shading later --Wavetail Ya Yeet 01:50, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
this looks great! maybe darken the shading on the tail and add "for approval" on the heading. ~Ripple ☆ 02:06, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
Blur the markings a little-Glacier (02:47, 5/10/2020)
Reup I keep forgetting oops- --Wavetail Ya Yeet 03:19, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
From what I can tell from the apprentice, which the first in the set, and ideally the side you'd be matching to for the pattern for this image - she's got a pale underside as well as the white markings, and the transition between the two is very soft.
The stripes/spots also look a little lighter on the apprentice as well and seem to have the same soft edges to them as well. They also look smaller and there appears to be more of them, while the forehead markings seem to resemble an "M" a little more, and the pale markings and white come up a little bit higher as well. — max it is the real thing, (04:39, 10/5/2020)
Reup Not seeing the pale underside? Also added a little ‘v’ between the forehead stripes :P --Wavetail Ya Yeet 09:10, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
I concur with Max - there is a pale underside that is reflected on all of her images, a secondary light gray shade between the base and the white. It comes up slightly to outline the haunch and belly; and transitions the tail color. To which - for the tail, I think there's a touch too much white, and that the gray to white transition is too sharp, and should be smudged more.—spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 15:08, 5/10/2020
Reup I think my grey is too light for the underside I’ll probs fix that, lightened the spots a little since I forgot to before --Wavetail Ya Yeet 05:34, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Reup Is this better? I see it now lol --Wavetail Ya Yeet 05:52, May 12, 2020 (UTC)
Could you add more gradiance between the gray and white that Max and spooky were referring to? It's still not noticeable. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 23:58, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
Reup Also smudged the white a little so it flows better with the grey, there was a pretty noticeable line after I extended the grey --Wavetail Ya Yeet 00:59, May 17, 2020 (UTC)
The earpink and nosepink appear to be missing? The spots/stripes could also still be a little bit softer, I think - when comparing to the apprentice and kit. They could also use with a little more size variation as shown on those two images, what you've got currently is quite uniform - where the set shows a lot more variation.
The white on the forelegs could stand to still have a softer smudge like the tail too, which shows on apprentice. Also, those leg stripes on the white aren't as dark either and could be lightened. The tail stripes could also be smudgier to match the style shown as well and could also use some lightening too? — max it is the real thing, (04:25, 17/5/2020)
Whoops forgot about the earpink and nosepink, I make most layers invisible to clear up the screen while I work on other layers :P Will work on the smudging and stripes --Wavetail Ya Yeet 00:54, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
Reup The pink is back lol XD spots are hard --Wavetail Ya Yeet 09:21, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
The front leg stripes on the white aren't as dark either as shown on the other images and could be lightened to match. The tail stripes could also be smudgier to match the style shown and there could also maybe be another one added towards the tip, to match the apprentice as well? — max it is the real thing, (07:27, 21/5/2020)
Reup ack --Wavetail Ya Yeet 07:57, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
I think the earpink should be brighter to match Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 01:34, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
Reup --Wavetail Ya Yeet 03:04, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
Kitescratch (Lo) - Declined
I can’t seem to get it to be the right size without messing it up. This was as small as I could make it and it’s really blurry. Being on an iPad sucks. —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 18:38, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
could you make the earpink more gray-pink instead of neonish-pink? ~Ripple ☆ 18:59, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
Re-Up Is this better? Oh, the image size changed. Huh. —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 19:30, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
yes, is there any way you can make the lineart less blurry? ~Ripple ☆ 19:47, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
When I make the image smaller to upload it, it becomes super blurry. I don’t know how to upload it in finer detail without it being way too big. —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 19:54, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
The issue almost certainly stems from you being on an ipad over a computer. None of the other artists here (to my knowledge) use an ipad for art.
That being said, for your first image, this isn't terrible. He still needs his torn ear and the pupils could be shrunk so it doesn't look like he's stoned. There's also a weird white glow around the image. The earpink comment from Ripplewater also still stands.
—Hrafnsmál The raven's call 21:40, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if it's because it's an ipad (I know of two users that use mobile devices for chararts), but it's definitely too big. Unfortunately, resizing tends to make it blurry, and I'm not sure how to fix this issue. Anyways, add more shading and define what's already there. ♥ Star red and black ♥<22:34, 5/19/2020>
Star, can you tell me which two users those are? Maybe they could help figure this out. I’ll address the other comments once we can get the image to be the right size. If this doesn’t work, I do have a computer I can use, but my dad is on it for most of the day for work due to quarantine and I’d have to redo the image. —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 22:36, May 19, 2020 (UTC)
When you fix your problems with the image size and other things, add more shading to the belly. User:Iceclaw111/Sig1
Add some more depth. And I don’t you problem is from being on an IPad, Wavetail, Ripple, and I use an IPad.-Glacier (23:35, 5/19/2020)
Alright, I’m on a computer now and am using GIMP, but I’ve never used it before. Does anyone have some good tutorials for making chararts on GIMP? —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 00:43, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
here’s some top quality tutorials!-Glacier (02:37, 5/20/2020)
Still working? Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 01:39, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Nah, I think I’m going to pass this on while I learn to use GIMP, sorry. —SleekfangThe future is ours to decide() 01:46, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Declined per user request. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 01:54, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Snow (Sister) (Q) - CBA
--Av Out of sight and out of mind () 00:33, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
can you make the pupils smaller so they actually match her other images and not a cat who's stoned out of their mind —Hrafnsmál The raven's call 01:12, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Av Out of sight and out of mind () 01:15, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Shade the rear legs more. User:Iceclaw111/Sig1
Can I get a second opinion, please? --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 02:42, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Oh and add more depth to the tail. Iceclaw111 Its Spring! My Claws Are Melting!☀️ 03:10, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
I think the shading could be expanded slightly on the tail, but the legs look fine Eggheart!🐥A True Warrior 03:17, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Egg, the leg shading is fine. Maybe expand the chest and face shading a smidge? And smooth out the shading on --> ear? Juniperclaw (talk) 03:29, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Av Out of sight and out of mind () 23:18, May 20, 2020 (UTC)
Maybe recede the shading on the back leg a bit? If it's sitting that high, the belly shading would also reach a little higher too, in my opinion. Could you also perhaps curve the belly shading a little more to match the shape of the blank? — max it is the real thing, (23:23, 20/5/2020)
The overall shading just looks super blotchy, honestly. May you smooth it out? —Jayce(23:28, 5/20/2020)
Reuploaded Av Out of sight and out of mind () 18:52, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, but I think the eyes should be fixed more. Again, none of Snow's other images show her with these massive pupils, so I fail to see why it needs to be showcased here. Something similar to Max's pupil placement is what I mean. —Hrafnsmál The raven's call 02:28, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded Now I think I made it worse... --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 02:37, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
Maybe add some shading underneath the chin and head on <--- side Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 01:32, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
Reuploaded --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 17:21, May 25, 2020 (UTC)
CBA? Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 01:40, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Barley (Re) - for approval
~Ripple ☆ 20:26, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
Define the shading on the black? —Jayce(20:44, 5/21/2020)
reuploaded. ~Ripple ☆ 22:53, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
Maybe add some depth/shading to the ridge in between the eyes, the forehead, Andy the triangle area above the head
Define the earpink, and the nose pink should also be a lighter colour per the rest of the set (most notably the warrior which shows it more clearly). Also patch placement wise, there should be more black on the forearm >> side as per the rogue which shows most of the side you should be matching. — max it is the real thing, (07:46, 22/5/2020)
reuploaded ~Ripple ☆ 18:34, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
reuploaded fixed some shading ~Ripple ☆ 18:37, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
as far as i can tell the black on the face should only be touching the eyes slightly, and he should have a black neck, since thats part of both the face black and the patches that are on his general neck/almost shoulder area. the hind leg black should also be more...pointed for lack of a better word as opposed to the general straight line it is now. the smudging should also be sharper than it is now, i only did something like 20% rate with a hard edge from memory. david 🌈 18:29, May 23, 2020 (UTC)
reuploaded. ~Ripple ☆ 01:21, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
I believe the rump above the head should be black also. Juniperclaw (talk) 02:01, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
reups. ~Ripple ☆ 02:17, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Jessy (Re) - For Approval
I didn’t know what to put on -> shoulder. It looks plain-Glacier (13:35, 5/27/2020)
I do believe she needs a collar per her set. --Av Out of sight and out of mind () 14:02, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Define the shading a touch. —Ivy ☆ 14:23, May 27, 2020 (UTC)
Reup-Glacier (16:30, 5/27/2020)
Stormfur (Re) - For Approval
so I had this done like two weeks ago, but I didn't like the shading, so I stole Sparkpelt's source. —Jayce(02:08, 5/28/2020)