Pelt Lineart Variations[]
Hey, so this has been something that's been bothering me for a while. If a cat is described with a ragged pelt or a short/longer tail their lineart of their images gets tweaked, but if they're continuously described as fluffy or something, they're just made a long hair (i.e. Cloudtail). I personally think that if a certain attribute is used to describe them continuously; like Cloudtail always being called fluffy/longhaired, that their lineart/blanks should be made fluffy/sleek/ragged/etc. Still a bit of a vague idea, but thoughts? ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 04:04, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. We are already doing that. Normal longhaired cats get a longhaired lineart, and ragged, matted, or patchy fur gets a lineart change. If I'm totally missing your point, forgive me. Iveh Yo! 18:59, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
I don't quite get what you mean either. Could you elaborate on this a little more? —Jayce(19:54, 11/2/2012)
I mean like, Feathertail is mentioned several times with a really fluffy, plumy tail and her chararts reflect that, but there are other longhairs who've been mentioned with plumy tails and their lineart isn't tweaked. I think I asked this once for Graystripe or something and was told that it was because they weren't named for it or something and I don't think that makes a whole lot of sense if we've already gone and tweaked Feathertail and Redtail. And for Cloudtail; true he's a long hair, but he's also mentioned several times as being extremely fluffy. I think the linearts are kind of a base to start with and alterations of description can be added on. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 20:28, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
Ohhh ok, well, how would one go about making it look fluffy, in such a small blank? I know to make the edges smooth, not sharp, but on a small blank that would be hard. Maybe for those cats, we could do a fur texture? And no, it shouldn't be on the basis that the cat was named for that. If they are mentioned as such as we can get a concensus, then no cat with such a description should not have their charart tweaked. Iveh Yo! 21:30, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
Oooooh, so that's what you mean. I kinda agree with that. This would also apply to Hollyleaf, correct? She's described with a bushy tail on more than one occasion... I think there's a couple more, Cloudtail being one of them. —Jayce(21:33, 11/2/2012)
Well to an extent, we already do that. We do it when they're named for it, and when they're described as having, say, especially fluffy fur and such. Since things like a plumy tail or something could simply mean longhaired, we only change those type of things if it says they have it, specifically moreso than average cats. I do agree though, that Cloudtail should be made fluffy. He's called especially fluffy many times. However we shouldn't go making especially fluffy lineart for cats who were simply mentioned like that on a couple occasions, such as, say, Birhgtheart. And no cloudy, I believe Hollyleaf's only been mentioned with a fluffy tail once or twice. Hence why she was shorthair for so long. There are very few cats who'd still need to be tweaked, Cloudtail, I believe Featherwhisker... not sure on him, and maybe a couple others. We really don't need to go overboard on it though, as the longhaired lineart is there for a reason. That's why we only change them when they're described as especially fluffy or something. Paleh Send help 04:56, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
Sure. I already get that we do that for cats that are descibed as fluffy once or twice, what I was trying to get at were cats like Cloudtail who've been described as fluffy or alike on several occasions, so I figured that their chararts should reflect that ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 05:17, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Have we come to a conclusion on this? Appledash the light of honor 00:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
No one's commented. If you want to bring this up again, you're more than welcome to. Right now, it's just sitting here. —Jayce(19:44, 12/11/2012)
Kit Image for Leafstar and Others[]
In Beyond the Code on page 7 8, it says, "It wasn't many seasons ago that I was their age..." when Leafstar was talking about her kits, and somewhwere in SkyClan's Destiny, it reads "You're not a kit anymore (again, Leafstar thinks this)." Should she get a kit image for that?
Also, something that has been going around in my mind is, if we know who a cat's mother is, and we give her a queen charart, should we give kit images to them? Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 18:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with the first part, but I'm not entirely sure on the second one. If they were called a kit, then yes, this is a high possiblity of earning a charart, but not if only their mothers were mentioned, I don't think. This is a good question, Bluestar :3. I'm happy people are sprouting ideas like this :3 ♪♫Feather ♪♫øṉε ώøɾlḋ, ṃαṉÿ αṉṡώεɾṡ 18:28, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
For what cats are getting kit images for, I think that should qualify for a kit image. Honestly, I'm not meaning offense with this, but if a cat is mentioned as the mother of another cat, she gets an image, but that mother's offspring does not get an image. That makes no sense to me. Iveh Yo! 21:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I think they should. Having somebody for a mother implies that they gave birth and that the cat was a kitten when they were born. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 23:00, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
If we make kits images by those standards, almost every cat would get a kit image. Being a sibling also means they they were kits at some point, cause they're from the same parents. Heck, just a cat existing at all implies being a kit, hence why the standards for kit images are a bit more restrictive. I think they're fine as is. We'd be going way overboard if we made kit images for nearly every cat. However, yes I agree Leafstar should get one. Paleh Send help 23:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
Heck, I'm still of the opinion that the current standards for who does and does not get kit images is way too lose. Shelly For a limited time only 23:42, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
It's just, I really don't understand why a cat being mentioned as a cat's mother is grounds for an image, but not the mother's child. I do not mean offense by my next statement, but I think it's a bit hypocritical to give the mother an image but not her child, it's almost exactly the same thing, just another rank. Personally, I don't agree with the mothers getting an image, even though that would mean a few of my images would get deleted. Iveh Yo! 03:36, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
Have we come to a conclusion on this? Appledash the light of honor 00:36, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
Discussion is just sitting here. Feel free to bring it up later if need be. —Jayce(19:44, 12/11/2012)
StarClan Rank Forum[]
I started a forum finally here. If any questions arise, feel free to ask. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 23:46, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, I thought of something concerning the kit-starclan thing. Didn't we decide that kit is an age, not a rank? The whole point of this StarClan thing was that there are no ranks in StarClan, but I think we can just keep the kit blank for StarClan kits and... I dunno, tweak it to have stars or something. Shelly For a limited time only 18:28, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Well honestly, if we're using the kit blanks at all for this, I don't think we need to bother making a whole 'nother image just for some stars or something.... But I liked the tiny little starclan blanks D: Paleh Send help 21:05, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
I personally don't think we need a separate blank for StarClan kits. And even if we did, wouldn't it be a different blank with a different artist going for it? I don't see the point in a miniscule version of another blank. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 21:57, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Good luck everyone! I won't be participating this time, but I wish everybody luck that wants to enter a blank! And well, if we added stars to kits, we'd have to add stars to the winning blank too, and I'm not sure how you'd want to go about it, but I think the way the stars are done should be uniform and not different styles depending on different artists. Iveh Yo! 22:22, December 9, 2012 (UTC)
Not StarClan recognized leader blank?[]
This is something that's been bothering me for a while. The Sharpclaws had their own leaders, but there's no evidence that they believed in StarClan or the Tribe of Endless Hunting, yet, cats that are recognized as "leaders" among the Sharpclaws are treated in respect as cats of a higher rank than Sharpclaw.
This is also a but off point, but there's also Scourge. I can't say he was a real "leader" opposed to feared and respected by a band of rogues, but he might also fall into this category. Anyway, thoughts? ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 05:13, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
We see leaders as a cat who holds high aurthority in a group of cats. Scourge was the leader of BloodClan because yes, he was feared and respected, but held higher in esteem by his 'Clan'. Furled Bracken was leader of the Ancients because he was held in higher respects then the others. Cats don't have to believe in StarClan to have leaders. ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 05:19 Sat Nov 10
I get that, but believing/not in StarClan has always been the borderline between a leader and not, which is what stopped Scourge from ever getting a leader char art, but he, along with the Ancients' leaders do hold a higher status through respect ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap."
I don't really think that we'd need an alternate blank for this, because we'd only use it on a handful of cats, and if we decided to add those cats as leaders we could use the leader blank. x3 -Ducksauce 05:25, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Well, they're all already classified as leaders on their pages, but whenever leader chararts for them were proposed, they were always declined because of their lack of faith in StarClan ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 05:27, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Jingo could also fall into this category, since...Lionblaze, I think, called her Jingostar. Also the cat that seemed to lead the rogues in SkyClan's Destiny. However, I'm not really sure if they need them. It seems like a very minor thing to make an entire blank for. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 05:38, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, I think we should have a new blank for them. Because whether or not, they are seen as leaders, and I think that we should show their proper rank. But yes, I do disagree with using the regular leader blanks, since those show that the cat has nine lives/believes in StarClan. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 15:37, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
I think we should have a new blank for them, they were regonized as a leader just as the Clan leaders. The should have a blank that shows their leadership, but a regualar leader blank would not fit because that would also mean they had nine lives and believe in StarClan. Basically I'm saying I agree with Mistypebble. Shimmer♫ 02:06, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
I really don't think these cats need new blanks. It seems very minor and it's not much different from regular leaders - which, believing in StarClan is basically the only difference they have from the leaders listed above. But, if you guys think creating a new blank is the way to go, I won't object. This is just my opinion. Appledash the light of honor 00:38, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
I just brought this up because they're classified as leaders on their pages, but our leader blank is distributed under the fact that they've all been granted nine lives from StarClan (with the exceptions of Sunstar and Nightstar, but not important xP). But their chararts should represent that they are in fact leaders of a sort, so I was curious what everyone else though. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 01:05, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
If a kit's opinion counts, then I agree that there should be a separate blank. :3 I'm probably saying a combintion of what people have said above, but I know that leader blanks are given if the cat is part of a clan and believes in Starclan. However these cats that don't were recognized leaders nonetheless, so maybe a blnk that shows they are noble but not as noble as the clan leaders because they haven't officially been given nine lives and appointed to leadership through deputyship and stuff. So I agree. :) The Flaming Featherfalls softly down to earth 20:47, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, leaders are leaders, regardless of their "lack of faith" in StarClan. Jingo, Scourge, Stone Song and Furled Bracken are perfect examples of this. All three were indeed leaders of whatever Clan, group, ect, they came from. The only thing that stops them from getting images is what's in our guidelines. The leader blanks are for leaders of Clans, save BloodClan. I honestly think these three should have images.
Lack of faith does not make a cat any less of a leader of their respective groups of cats. (and there's my opinion on that matter) —Jayce(23:38, 12/8/2012)
Can't Really Think of a Title[]
This has been in my mind for a bit now, but I might have a solution for cats with known descriptions but unknown genders such as Brick and Sandypaw.
If a cat is said to have a wrong description enough times, we can toggle the alt and official arts. I was thinking about doing a male and female toggle.
Thoughts? Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 20:56, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well that would give users the impression that they've been described as both male an female, and whichever one is the default to show up on the toggle would look like it was the "correct" one of the two. I really don't think they should have anything. Paleh Send help 21:03, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I accidentally asked here about the blanks so I deleted it. 99.226.95.54 19:52, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
Blanks[]
Yeah I tried submitting this before but didn't know how, but I know that trhe pixel blanks aren't allowed to be used on other sites, but am I allowed to do a picture on my computer with the blanks? I will not send it to other sites or print it, justkeep it as a pic in my computer. Just please tell me if I'm allowd, thanks. ^^ 99.226.25.121 14:02, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I believe it's okay for you to save it on your computer or print it out, as long as you don't go posting it on different sites. Oh, and please make sure to end your message with 4 ~'s so that we know who it is. :3 ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 04:25, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
StarClan Blank Voting[]
The week for blank submissions is up. Voting shall begin now and end on December 23rd at midnight. Details can be found on the submissions page. Only one vote per user. If any questions come up, feel free to ask. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 00:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
StarClan Blank Vote Conclusion[]
The vote for the StarClan blank has been concluded and a big congradulations to Breezy who won with 15 votes in favor. Once again, congradulations to you and your wonderful blank concepts, Breezy. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 20:39, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
StarClan Blank needs[]
Just something I'd like to address before we put Breezy's blanks into action. Are these going to be used for only cats who have actually been seen in StarClan or if StarClan is their known/presumed rank? Or are they going to apply to all cats who've died and don't have links to the Dark Forest or the Tribe of Endless Hunting? ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 18:03, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
I think they should only be for cats whom we know, for a fact are StarClan member. owo -Ducksauce 18:04, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
If there's a cite for them being in StarClan, then they should get an image. Like, take for example Rainwhisker. He wasn't seen in StarClan, but Vicky confirmed he went there. Therefore, he should get a StarClan image. —Jayce(18:06, 12/25/2012)
Like Cloudy said, they would be for any cat that has been seen in StarClan, it is said somewhere in the books they made it to StarClan, or they've been revealed by one of the Erins to be there. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 18:10, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
Yup. All confirmed StarClan cats. But I'm still wondering what should happen with the CotC kits in SC. They were still kits... Paleh Send help 23:47, December 25, 2012 (UTC)
Mentor Blank Needs[]
Cats are cited and confirmed as mentors, so I think they need an image, for being called/classed as a mentor various times in books. So, any thoughts/concerns? -Feather 12:47, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
I think that could be good, but I dont think we need purely new blanks , maybe only edit warrior blanks because they are also warriors. Just somerhing like deputy one. (Dont kill me) Leafy ♫Absolute maniac♪,13:41, December 26,2012 (UTC)
I don't think they need a blank for being a mentor...a mentor is just an additional task a warrior can choose to take on. It's like an apprentice gathering moss for the elder's bedding- we don't need a blank for moss-gathering, do we? Mentor isn't a rank. Rainlegs 14:32, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think mentors need a blank, to me they aren't a rank of their own, but a sub-rank that spans over the warrior, deputy, leader, medicine cat, and sometimes even the queen ranking. A warrior is a rank, it has it's own duties that almost all warriors do, but to me a mentor varies, with who the mentor is, for example, Bluestar didn't train Firestar for a while after she took him as an apprentice, but most other mentors take their apprentices out on the first day. I think a mentor doesn't need a blank. And I probably rambled to say that. x3 -Ducksauce 14:38, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but no. I agree with both Leggo and Duck on this note. It's an additional task; not an actual rank. —Jayce(18:06, 12/26/2012)
This has been brought up countless time, and the outcome's always been the same. Mentor is a job. Not a rank. That's all there is to it. No blanks. Paleh Send help 02:30, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. It's not a status position or anything, it's just something that a warrior, deputy or leader does. There's no need for a whole new blank. Splook sweet creature 20:11, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
Also, if we did, we'd need one for border patrolling and hunting, and we aren't going to make those. I'm really sorry. Iveh Yo! 06:57, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
uh[]
Well, hi. Who am I? I've been away for so long you all may not remember me. But yes, I have returned! And I am here begging to be let back in to this wonderful project. I don't care if I have to rejoin as a senior warrior, warrior, or even as a kit, but I just want to be a part of this again. So... please? oblivionAudience? 19:33, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
We are not making you a kit. ._. You'll be added as a SW, and if someone's got a problem with that, they can come talk to me about it. —Jayce(19:36, 12/30/2012)
Rejoin[]
May I please rejoin the project? I know I have been inactive for a while but I am back and fully commited. I don't care if you put me back as an apprentice, kit, warrior, whatever. Thanks. --Cinder 00:00, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back~ You'll be added in as a warrior since you've already got the number of images you need approved. Here are the guidelines to refresh up on if you need to. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 01:58, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoin Request[]
I was previously a member of this project as an apprentice, but it seems I was removed for inactivity. I'm looking cautiously at the guidelines now and would like to rejoin. =) -- AtomicThe collective baby~ 06:50, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Okay! I'll go add you in. Welcome back. :3 Rainlegs 18:07, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoin[]
Didn't wanna do this yet but Since I should probably do the starclan cats to match the crazy chararts I did, I need to rejoin. I don't really care which rank, just as long as I don't get eaten for putting a bunch of things up for approval and not being a member. So yeah, thank you c: ʝΣηяѲ¢к The Aftermath Is Secondary 21:17, 02, 01, 2013
You don't need to rejoin to post new images, Jenrock. xD Only tweaking and redoing them. If you still want to be added back in, that's fine, though. —Jayce(21:19, 1/2/2013)
MY LOVE!!!! ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 21:44, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
MY LOVE <33333333 Probably best if I get added back lol. Who knows what I'll get myself into xDD ʝΣηяѲ¢к The Aftermath Is Secondary 07:15, 03, 01, 2013
Rejoin?[]
A long time back, I joined the project, but I was very inactive due to busy schedules. I'd like to rejoin the project, please. Lakewillow 22 (talk) 17:12, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Okay! Welcome back. I'll go add you back in. Rainlegs 16:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoining Request[]
I've been inactive for a really really long time, and I joined as a kit (I think it was) and I recieved Stoneclaw33 as a mentor. I'm back now again, so I guess this is my request to rejoin. If not, no worries! :)
Featherbreeze! 21:06, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Of course you can rejoin. xD I'll go add you back in~ Rainlegs 16:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoin?[]
Derp, yeah, may I re(bunch of other re's)-join x3? I read the guidelines, don't worry. Prussia:The Awesome Time Lord 21:17, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Herp a derp, yeah, you can re-join. I'll go add you in, Preuben. xD Rainlegs 16:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoining?[]
- Yeah, I wanna come back and try and polish up my skills, yup. Echo Kelly 21:01, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Great, we'll add you in right now. ^^ Feel free to look at the guidelines to freshen up. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 19:04, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
Rejoin[]
Please may I rejoin? I didn't really have a chance to do much when I was a member a few months ago... I'd really appreciate it.
☮♞✞SorrelΩflower☠☯⛄I need Coffee!
Of course! Feel free to look at the guidelines in case you forgot anything. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 19:06, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
StarClan Cats- Stars?[]
^^Do we get to add stars to the fur of these cats? If we do, (which I would approve of), I say they should look like the ones Shelly made on this image. Pale, small, white dots scattered in the fur. StarClan members have been described with stars in their fur, so I'd assume they get them... Rainlegs 05:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I don't know... how would we do it on white cats? -Ducksauce 05:02, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
No, no, and no again. (don't get me wrong, I love that image, but no). <totally against this> But if that's what everyone else wants, then I'll go with it. I just...think that's kinda stupid...and if not done properly..ehhhh, no. —Jayce(05:04, 12/29/2012)
Edit conflicts left, right and center >8C I agree with these guys, they don't need the stars. And as Ducky says, how would we get the stars on white cats? Impossible. Anyway, by 'stars in their fur', I always thought that meant they had very shiny, clean fur. ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 05:10 Sat Dec 29
I'd say we add them. Though we don't need them, they are described with them, which I find important in StarClan's descriptions. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 05:27, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree, honestly it'd just look silly, and not all starclan cats are described with them. Sometimes cats can't even tell if it's a starclan cat or not, so clearly there's not always any kind of distinction. However, if we do end up using them, they should be on the blank itself, not added by each artist using the blank. Paleh Send help 05:39, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
The stars don't have to be in their fur, it can have a glow around the image, but I don't think they need it, but if you guys agree, we could go with the starry glow Iveh Yo! 06:55, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with what's been said above. Though it may fun to play with, I don't think it's really needed and I agree with the white cat point (although we could tint them slightly blue) I don't think it's needed and it could make-or-break the image if not done well ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 22:06, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Possible Kit Images[]
On page 24 of Starlight, it reads, "'Tallstar was the leader of our Clan when you (speaking to Mudclaw) were a kit mewling in the nursery." Wouldn't that quallify for a kit image?
Also, if Blackstar got a kit image, and Flintfang and Fernshade are his littermates, shouldn't they get kit images? Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 23:25, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
I'd actually been meaning to bring up Fern and Flint. There's a passage in Yellowfang's Secret, that implies they were kits... I do believe it's around page 300-something. —Jayce(23:37, 12/30/2012)
"You must be glad your kits are out of your paws and you can return to warrior duties." she remarked to Hollyflower. - page 308 of YS. It implies that they were kits to me as well, but what do y'all think? david 🌈 23:46, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
It implies that Fern and Flint were kits to me as well. As for Mudclaw on page 24, directly after the sentence up there it says: "I'm not a kit now" Mudclaw retorted. To me that says he was at one point a kit. Shimmer♫ 00:02, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree with Fernshade and Flintfang. It said her kits. That's the equivalent of saying they're her children. Just cause they used the words kits instead of children doesn't mean they should get kit images. Mudclaw however, I do agree. It's no different that Mudfur getting an app image. Paleh Send help 01:47, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
"You must be glad your kits are out of your paws and you can return to warrior duties." I think that's enough to imply that Fern and Flint were once kits, as whoever is speaking is saying that Hollyflower doesn't have to take care of them anymore, therefore they are no longer kits, thus implying they were kits. Mudclaw I definately agree with. ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 02:18 Mon Dec 31
I agree with all of them having kit images, they are all implied to have been kits. x3 -Ducksauce 03:52, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Ahh well the second part of the quote... hmm... guess it implies she was in the nursery with them, taking care of them as actual kits.... hmmm... alright. Just so long as we don't start making images for someone just saying "your kits" or something. Paleh Send help 03:55, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
The part about kits being in your paws, it certainly refers to the time they were kits and hints that they might have been bothersome for her at that age. Bingo numero uno. Mudclaw, bingo numero dos. Iveh Yo! 03:56, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
Re-joining[]
The page lists me as a member under current projects, but it doesn't list me on the top of the page, so may I rejoin? I know how to make (decent) chararts.
22:37, January 2, 2013 (UTC)
Of course you can re-join. I'll add you in right now. Rainlegs 16:49, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
PCA Myths[]
Alright, so I've been thinking about this for a while, and it seems PCA's gathered some "myths" of things that have to be done for an image to look right, that are honestly quite silly.
1. Very visible earpink - Images go through many reuploads just to get the earpink visible and not to bright. When you think about this though, there's absolutely no reason the earpink should have to be very defined and visible. On many real cats you can't even see the pink in their ears. All you can see is the shadow, no skin visible. Or often it's mostly covered up by fur so you can just barely make it out. There's really no reason that chararts' earpinks should have to be very defined. Not overblurred, yes, but we shouldn't have to go through 10 uploads just trying to get the earpink right.
2. Very defined shading - Another "myth" is that you need to be able to tell where the shading starts and stops. If you look at shading on anything in real life, especially more rounded or smooth things (like, say, a tail) it's quite hard to see where the shading starts and stops, you have to look very closely. So as long as the shading shows depth, there's really no need for it to be defined. Only if it's flat.
3. Gray noses on gray cats - Now this was mostly squashed by shelly a while back, but not totally, so I'll just go ahead and list it here. It used to be believed that all gray cats had to have gray noses unless otherwise specified in the book. Gray cats can actually have pink noses, and often do. Black cats, yes, they have to have black noses (at least to my knowledge they do), but gray cats should be totally optional.
4. Visible lineart on black cats - We've had a couple problems with this, and a couple minor squabbles. Lineart does not need to be visible on black cats. The black on the pelt and the black on the lineart simply need to be different enough that you can color select the lineart if need be at any point. There's not really much reason that you should have to be able to easily see the lineart, especially when that often ends up making cats dark gray.
I believe that's all of them, but if I think of more, I'll add them. I just wanted to clear these up, cause they tend to cause problems on occasion, and are a bit silly. Paleh Send help 08:49, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more on the ear part. I think once, Breezy was told to remove the fur that had been put in the ears, but to be quite honest, most cats should actually have visible fur coming from their ears, even on shorthaired cats. On my real cat, Hickory, he is so longhaired that you can't even see his ear insides because it's covered in long fur, and I think that should be an option for an artist to choose as well. Iveh Yo! 22:41, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I agree completely on all these. Unless the earpink is an unnatural neon color or whatever, there's no real reason the earpink should be fussed over so much, and it should be artist's choice. Usually there's no more than a little discolored fur inside the ear. I know I've told numerous people to define shading, but really, especially on really fluffy cats the 3D effect is in how their fur lies, not how dark their belly shading is. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 23:00, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with these as well. Especially about the ear pink. I remember spending I don't know how long on Oakheart's tawny alt, because of ear pink, despite it being perfectly visible. Here's how I see it; if you can see it, and it looks like a proper shade of pink, it's fine. —Jayce(23:13, 12/29/2012)
Um, hi[]
Recently, I brought around the idea of the dancing chicken gif for an emoticon in the chat. The idea was declined, and I was stupid enough to keep going on about it. It eventually lead to an argument, and the chat being turned off. It's all my fault, and I feel guilty about it, and I'm thinking I should leave the Wiki, and getting out of your hair. If I disappear one day and never show up again, don't worry, I'm fine. Remove any rights I have and my senior warrior rank in PCA. If I do leave, there's a good chance I'll only ever come back as an anon, that is if I ever do come back. I'm sorry for pestering you all for a stupid gif. Regards, ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 04:09 Wed Jan 2
Uh. Guess who. o3o[]
It's Tweedle-dee. Uh. Is it okay if I like...rejoin? o3o uh. also, hai. c; Twee♫ It's baaaackkk! ♫ 08:57, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Yesss~ Hai, Twee. 8DDD I'll add you back as a warrior, and if you need some refreshing, here are the guidelines. Welcome back! c: Appledash the light of honor 09:45, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Bluestar alt, question about Molepelt's fur[]
In The Lost Warrior manga, Bluestar is shown in one of the pages in grayscale as a dark gray cat with a white face, and black markings underneath her eyes. Does this call for an alt?
Also, in the Yellowfang's Secret manga Molepelt is a longhaired kitty. Should he be put as a longhair since is pelt length is never really mentiond in the books, or is the manga an unreliable source? Hooh54 (talk) 23:53, December 24, 2012 (UTC)Hooh54
Tweak concerns[]
Hey all, I just wanted to bring something up. I've noticed that with images, we've kind of stopped asking OAs about their images, I really think that if the OA is still around, we should still make sure if they want it before nominating them. A lot of redo nominations have been declined simply because it's something that could be tweaked on the .psd or .xcf file. I know it's kind of silly to be sentimental about an image, but regardless of that, some images can be saved a lot of grief by using the original file instead of redoing it, that's what email is for. And no I'm not pointing fingers, I think a lot of us are guilty of it, actually. Even though I'm not as active as I used to be, I'm still supposed to be in charge of tweaks and I just wanted to give you all a reminder, kind regards, Iveh Yo! 06:53, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
While we're on the topic, I'd just like to give a friendly reminder to please strike out any tweaks/redos you're planning to do. It makes removing old and finished tweaks/redos much easier. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 23:38, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
Also to actually remove the old and finished tweaks/redos, since people seem to forget. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 23:56, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
CBA[]
I'm seeing a lot of people CBA-ing images after like.. one hour... four hours... and I don't think it's right. In the past, we waited 24 hours before CBA-ing an image. It gives any further commenters to come and give their opinion before the time is up to CBA it. Saying "this is beautiful, so CBA?" an hour after an upload isn't right. 24 would give any other users to give their say. I know you can break the CBA, but why if they were just going to comment that day anyways? Probably going to get shot for this, but I just felt like I should give my opinion. Splook sweet creature 21:58, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
Whoops. To be honest I had no clue you had to wait to CBA an image. It makes sense to wait a day, though, so that guideline probably should be followed. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 23:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this as well, honestly, and I'm glad somebody thinks the same way. I understand that there's people that have been making amazing chararts, yet they don't get the same time limit as other users who have had to wait almost a day before they get another comment or CBA. It's simply not fair. I'm not pointing fingers, but the fairness in the stage of CBA, quite frankly, is poor. There's some users who don't have to wait long for a CBA and some that do. Other than that, the words have been taken out of my keyboard. --AtomicPumbaa! Let me define babysitting!
23:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
- What are you getting at, exactly, Starry? Just because an image has been up for awhile doesn't mean it's going to get CBA'd. Images are CBA'd when they are finished, not because it was up at the same time other that have been approved are. Some people have to wait awhile to get a CBA because they need to work their image up to the quality expected of the art that will go on an article. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 00:09, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
There is no set time limit upon which a lead may CBA an image. If it's a well done image, then why should we have to wait an entire day to CBA something? Honestly... it's not "poor", or "unfair". >.> We CBA those which are exactly as they are; ready for approval. —Jayce(00:04, 1/6/2013)
There's never been, as far as I'm aware, any rule about waiting 24 hours before a CBA. CBA is 24 hours as is, if an image is ready, why make it wait 42 hours? Just cause it seems "unfair" to those whose images aren't ready right away? No, that's just silly. There's never been a rule about this, and there shouldn't be. If there's something wrong with the image, that's the whole reason for the CBA. To see if there's any other comments, or if anyone disagrees with the judgement of the SM. We nominated all our SMs to be trusted to know when an image is ready to be approved. If that's at the first upload, then what's so wrong about that? It's unfair to the artist to make them wait an extra 24 hours past the CBA just cause their image was ready upon upload. No. Just... no. Paleh Send help 00:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
While waiting an entire day may be a bit extensive, I have to say the CBA process is actually quite poor and unfair. There are known artists such as Mounty and Paleh that receive much attention and while it's not unfair or anything that they're amazing artists, it is unfair when their images get CBAed two hours after it's posted when there's another person, waiting for over a day who gets absolutely no attention at all. For example, currently, Leaf-storm's Wind charart. She reuploaded it on the 3rd, it's gone two days without comments and it's just now being CBAed on the 5th. Meanwhile, Raggedstar was CBAed ten hours after it was posted. I don't mean to pick on users or put them in the limelight, but it is unfair considering these two examples that could probably have both been approved with the same edit. Atelda insert vague subtext here 00:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I completely agree with Teldy. I have noticed the same thing too. Some users get CBA'd quickly because of their skills, and others have to wait. Maybe 6 hours before CBA? Or maybe even 2 hours. Just to make sure the image doesn't have anymore flaws. Silverhmm 00:22, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
No need to pick on me cause I edit conflicted ;-; Meanie! *throws a fish at you* I do totally agree it's unfair to those less known users that end up waiting hours and hours when their images are ready, however I'm not sure how exactly to fix that, as leads are supposed to browse the images regularly anyways. I'd fully support any ideas on how to stop that from happening though. However making you wait 24 hours before CBAing certainly wouldn't, soooo yeah. Ideas? Silver, edit conflict >:C Paleh Send help 00:23, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Silver, honestly I don't think waiting longer on the more well known artists would help any, what needs to happen is that the less known members need to get CBA's as quickly when they'e ready. Making the ready ones wait longer wouldn't affect the less known ones at all. Paleh Send help 00:26, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Honestly, I think that a time wouldn't prove that useful. If a CBA is called, you're more than welcome to break it if you feel there is something else that the image in question needs to be improved upon. I've had multiple of my own called into question, and those I'm grateful for, as they allowed me to help improve. I think that if someone CBA's an image, it's really just a heads up to users to pay close attention to the image, as if no one else comments, it's going to be added to the article. —Jayce(00:34, 1/6/2013)
I'm sorry for bringing this up and causing essays I'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry. 24 hours may be a bit extensive, and I respect that, and I agree with shortening the time length. Any time length is better than none. I saw an image get CBA'd after 4 minutes of a reupload... and I don't think it's right... there needs to be some boundry. And with the popular users part, it might be a bit unfair, but there's nothing we can really do to change that on a social standard. 6 hours would be a good limit, maybe even 8, just something to give any last comments a chance to be added. Splook sweet creature 00:49, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Splook, there is nothing to be sorry for. You brought out your own opinion and stated it and frankly I believe you have a point there. I think that cba'ing after four minutes is a bit extensive as well. I don't think there needs to be a time limit, but, I also don't think you should cba four minutes after. Appledash the light of honor 00:53, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
And also. If we CBA it because you feel it needs to be CBA'd, I respect that, but maybe others don't. Someone can always see something you couldn't. I know you can break the CBA.. but if it was CBA'd after an hour then there was no time for them to comment before the CBA status was added. Splook sweet creature 00:55, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't object to having a short time restriction before CBAing, but I have to say, when someone CBA's something, it means they believe that nobody would have anything to comment on. That's something you have to think about when you CBA. If they're wrong, then so be it and break the CBA, but images aren't CBA'd just because one user doesn't have any comments for it, it's because they think others wouldn't too. I honestly don't see a problem with CBAing before a bunch of people would have time to look at it and decide if they see anything wrong. But again, I won't object to a few hours before you can CBA. Paleh Send help 01:27, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
-le matrix dodges fish- I'd say at least three hours to maybe twelve hours, somewhere within that time frame to wait to CBA something. I get that when you see an image, you can truly believe is truly ready for approval. But I'd also like to say that while it's great that we have amazing artists, the entire project must be taken in account for thus we need to focus less on our friends and focus more on the entire project, especially on including apprentices, kits, and all the other artists that are often forgotten when the hype of a new, epical image is posted. Atelda insert vague subtext here 02:40, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Mmhm mmhm mmhm *nods* I'd say about roughly 6 would probably be a good inbetween number. Not super short but not overly long. Paleh Send help 02:49, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Splook sweet creature 02:52, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with what has been said here. Yes, I do believe chararts can be beautifully done from the start, but there needs to be some sort of a boundary to prevent over CBA'ing and such. And I agree with Paleh, 6 hours would be a good fit. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 04:21, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
I agree, also, though some images are beautiful, and perfect in our eyes, another user could find a flaw in the image. x3 -Ducksauce 02:54, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
But if a CBA is started, there's still 24 hours for another to look at it and find something they think could be improved on, there's nothing stopping them. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 02:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
^ Scarlet has a point. CBA's are meant to draw attention to an image before approval. An image could be CBA'd a dozen times before it's actually approved. Honestly, if a senior warrior thinks the image is done, it shouldn't matter whether it's been up for a few minutes or a few weeks - other users can stop the CBA if they don't think it's complete. There's no point in delaying it. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 03:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
^^I agree with Whiskey and Scarlet. If a seinor warrior thinks it's ready, then CBA it. No need to clog up space on the approval page because we need to wait a certain amount of time before we can CBA it. If the image is ready, then it's ready- there's still a full 24 hours to comment on anything you might see. -feels like I'm repeating things- Rainlegs 03:17, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
But why the rush to CBA it when you could just wait a few hours to see if anyone else has anything to say? Splook sweet creature 20:42, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
Splook has a point. Also, some newer users might be kinda scared to break CBA, or they might not know that it's allowed. So, yeah, I still think we should wait. -Ducksauce 23:06, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
I see no practical reason to make people wait to put a CBA on an image. Honestly, the way it looks to me is that people are complaining that the "good" artists have their images CBA'd sooner than their own. If an artist's image is done, it's done. There's no point in waiting to get it CBA'd and off the approval page. We don't have a problem with redone images that get no comments and are archived 24 hours later, what's the difference with new images? -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 01:27, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
True, but I don't see the harm in putting a limit. I think CBA'ing an image after minutes is just unfair. Anyone can go up to someone and say "can you CBA my image" and so forth in order to get it approved faster. Putting a boundry wouldn't harm anyone and our CBA'ing system would function more smoothly. And like Duck said, new users might be afraid to break a CBA. When I was new, I was afraid to even comment, let alone break a CBA due to intimidation. This is my opinion. Archive this discussion and forget I even opened my mouth, whatever. I was just trying to get the CBA train running more smoothly than it has been. Splook sweet creature 01:49, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
No need to down on your opinion, Splooky. We're all entitled to our own. I understand the point of the argument, since some user's art gets more attention at times than others, but still, I think it's kind of counterproductive to put a limit on when an image can be CBA'd. There never has been before and that time, I'm sure, was busier than now adays. Though it might feel kind of daunting for a new comer to break a CBA, there's nothing stopping them and as for the requested CBA, well, I think the only fair thing that could be asked if that "hey can you go comment on my charart?". ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 01:54, January 10, 2013 (UTC)
Join Request[]
Hey can I join the project?
BlueDeino (talk) 04:29, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I'll add you in as a kit, check out the guidelines and the charart tutorials, and if you'd like a mentor, head over to the mentor program and place a request. Welcome to the Project! ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 10:00 Tue Jan 8
Joining this project[]
May I join Project Chararts? Stoemstar 23:45, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
May I join Project Chararts too?Sugarfur (talk) 22:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I'll add you both in. Check the Guidelines before participating in the project, or answering any questions you may have. Go here to check out the Mentor Program, or here to check some handy tutorials. Welcome to the project! Splook sweet creature 02:56, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
Re-Join[]
May I? ps. it's ferk.— ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 01:07, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I'll add you in as a kit, check out the guidelines and the charart tutorials, and if you'd like a mentor, head over to the mentor program and place a request. Welcome to the Project! ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 10:02 Tue Jan 8
Join?/Spottedleaf StC Charart[]
Ohaider~ I'd like to join PCA, as I am a huge fan of Warriors and drawing them. And if I end up joining, could I do Spottedleaf's StC charart, if nobody has done it? I know all about Charart, so I don't believe I don't need too many pointers, as I am an apprentice in PCA on WCCRPW~ Thanks~ Spottedpool AutumnClan (talk) 01:30, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I'll add you in as a kit, check out the guidelines and the charart tutorials, and if you'd like a mentor, head over to the mentor program and place a request. Welcome to the Project! ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 10:04 Tue Jan 8
Also, if you would like to do Spottedleaf's SC charart, you'll have to reserve it on the reservation table. ★ Berry ★ Midnight Monster's Parade! 10:26 Tue Jan 8
Re-join[]
I was off for vacation when I was gone... so..May I join PCA? Crystalheart! ❄ 02:24, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Course, I'll add you in now. ^_^ Please read the guidelines and if you need any help, check out the apprentice tutorials, and feel free to request a mentor if you wish. Welcome to the project! :3 Paleh Send help 08:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
A Question[]
So, is Stoneclaw33 still a mentor, as she's not listed as a mentor, but I was her apprentice before I went on hiatus?
Thanks and sorry to bother ^^
Featherbreeze! 16:51, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Stoneclaw isn't in the project anymore, so no, she isn't. You're welcome to apply for a new one though. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 17:14, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Yo[]
Can I rejoin? OwO Stoneclaw 19:21,1/13/2013
Orly? xP Stoneclaw 19:29,1/13/2013
Yarly. welcome back, Stoner. ouo —Jayce(19:41, 1/13/2013)
Rejoining for the last time[]
Okay, I promise this is the last time I'm going to do this. I can't guarantee that I will post charart, probably only critique.I understand if you all hate me and won't want to let me. User:QuailflightTheCat/Sig 20:50, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
Quay you dope, of course we want you back. xD I'll add you in now. You were a warrior right? Check out the guidelines to refresh your memory or see the changes since you were last here. :b Welcome back~ Paleh Send help 08:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Joining Project?[]
Hello, sorry if I sound like a noob, but I would like to join Project Character Art. I have an interest in digital artwork, and I'm practicing the use of my tablet pen. I have watched the team work from afar and have read some of the tutorials, so I have some experience. Thanks for reading,
Flutterangel (talk) 02:25, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Course, I'll add you in now. ^_^ Please read the guidelines and if you need any help, check out the apprentice tutorials, and feel free to request a mentor if you wish. Welcome to the project! :3 Paleh Send help 08:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Join Request[]
KnightsofaRound - Join Request
Hi, it's KnightsofaRound again. I did Rainflower's Starclan image, and I enjoyed collaborating to make character art, and I am wondering if I may join? (KnightsofaRound) 17:04, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
Of course you can! Since you already have one fabulous image approved, you'll be added in as an apprentice instead of a kit. If you have questions, you can consult the guidelines or apprentice tutorials. There's also the mentoring program, although that's going through a renovation phase, as seen above. —Jayce(18:13, 1/16/2013)
Apprentices?[]
Hi, I just have a suggestion. If any users that found a mentor on the mentor application page, shouldn't they be listed as an apprentice at the top? (Sorry for just putting this in a random project XD) Cloud 9 The Clock is TICKING! 19:41, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
The mentor system and the kit system are completely unrelated. Even if you have a mentor, you're still a kit till you post an image that's 80% done. Paleh Send help 20:06, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
Cinderpelt Alt[]
I'm bringing this back up because we didn't really reach a conclusion last time, and I still think she should have an alt. In the manga at the end of YS, when she was alive as both a Medicine Cat Apprentice and Medicine Cat she had a fully healed leg. Both Berrynose and One-eye have alts. for their missing tail, or eye, being there, so she should have an alt. for her leg being normal.
If anyone wants to look at the original conversation it's here. Shimmer♫ 04:02, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
Just something I noticed now, she also has something like tabby stripes on her face, like on her White medicine cat alt. So there's something else. Shimmer♫ 05:08, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
One way or another, with the StarClan blank, you can't see her damaged leg, so there's no real reason to have an alt. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 02:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
I think that she should get the alts, she was shown alive with them. owo -Ducksauce 02:53, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
- <derp> sorry, I read that wrong. <Scarly is way too tired to be working> ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 02:54, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Dark Forest Blanks[]
I think that we should have DF blanks since we have SC blanks. Please tell me is I am wrong since I am new.Sugarfur 00:02, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
We use the rogue blanks for Dark Forest cats because they are remarked as being rogues within their own clan Iveh Yo! 02:03, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Also, the StarClan blanks were made because there are no ranks in Clans, so showing a character with the leader blank for isntance would be false. But in the Dark Forest, there are clearly defined ranks. Leaders, senior warriors, warriors, and apprentices. Shelly For a limited time only 02:05, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
-pops in slightly related question- On that note, should Brokenstar's main image be a leader charart? He's clearly shown to be the leader of the Dark Forest in The Last Hope, and like Shelly said, they clearly define their ranks. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 03:12, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Him and Tigerstar, I'd think. Those two are the most clearly defined leaders. However, I'd prefer we continue treating the group the same way we treat BloodClan: it's only the bastardization of the idea of a Clan. In the end, though they have clearly defined ranks, they're still rogues to the Clans. And it's the Clan point-of-view that we have followed thus far when defining character ranks. Rogues are cats that attack the Clans, which includes the Dark Forest. Shelly For a limited time only 04:50, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lotSugarfur 22:11, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
Project Rank[]
I have had a charart approved, which means it is obviously more than 80% complete. I'm still listed as a kit in the project. I have my second charart up for approval now. Should I be an apprentice, or did I misunderstand the guidelines? — ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 23:59, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
Nope, you should be an apprentice. I'll add you as one right now. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 03:17, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Rank thing[]
Like Fern, should I be listed as an apprentice? I've had two chararts approved, which is 80% (correct me if I have this wrong)
-Feather 18:12, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
Goodness, we're slacking. Apologies, Feather. Yes, you should be an apprentice. —Jayce(18:14, 1/30/2013)
Blanks - What about the kits?[]
Okay, since I cannot seem to find where we agreed to only use these for full-grown cats, I'm starting a discussion. So, as far as I know, we have Adderkit, Blossomkit, Mosskit, Larchkit, Hollykit, and probably a couple others that I missed. Some people think that they should only be used for full-grown cats, but I can't remember where we actually agreed to that. So, what should we do? Honestly, I think the blanks should be used for all StarClan cats, regardless of age. Maybe we should resize the StarClan blanks so there are some specifically for those kits in StarClan. After all, they are StarClan blanks.
If we're not going to use the full-size blanks, then what do we do? That's not right to only use the StarClan blanks for "adult" cats, especially if the blanks were made for cats who are in StarClan. It's excluding the younger cats. Apparently we started a discussion and never finished it, so here I am.
Comments? —Jayce(03:16, 1/3/2013)
I thought we weren't going to make new images for the kits of StarClan since the StarClan blanks were made because there are no ranks in StarClan, and we decided a long time ago that kit is an age, not a rank. Shelly For a limited time only 03:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Though I originally supported the idea of having kit starclan blanks for them and still do, I will point out that this is absolutely no different than with kittypets and rogues and loners. They're full grown blanks, and therefore kits of that rank don't get it. They're as much that rank as Starclan cats are theirs, so I don't see why this should be any different than that. And we don't need to agree on the blanks being full grown cats, you can clearly see it. The proportions, size, ect. It's just not something you agree upon, it's something you can clearly see, and they were approved like that.
So though I would support Whiskey changing the size and proportions of them and putting up kit starclan blanks, I really don't know that it's needed, since we've had this case in the past. Whoever let's make it clear that the kits in starclan shouldn't get sc chararts till this discussion is finished. Shelly y u edit conflict? >:C Paleh Send help 03:22, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
As Shelly said, there are no ranks in StarClan, so I think every cat in StarClan should get the blank. You forgot Perchkit x3 -Ducksauce 03:23, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Duck, the point of my statement was that the blanks were made because there are no ranks in StarClan, and that kit is not really a rank. Shelly For a limited time only 03:26, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Um I pretty sure that's not what shelly was saying.... Since kit is an age, not a rank, it doesn't wrongly portray starclan cats. The blanks were made cause the cats who were leader and such weren't still leader in StarClan. However these cats are still kits in starclan. They shouldn't need anything more since they didn't change rank, nor age. I swear imma smack you if you edit conflict again Paleh Send help 03:27, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Whoops, read it wrong, but still think kits should get the blank, or at lease a modified version of the blank, they are StarClan members. x3 Now you're edit conflicting me, Paleh. D= -Ducksauce 03:34, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
How long did it take you to type that? xD But Duck, the Starclan blanks portray a lack of rank. Kits don't have a rank as is. Why should we use a full grown blank, or make a smaller version of the blank for a cat who doesn't have a rank anyways and s correctly portraying the ranking is starclan? And again, the case isn't really any different than kittypets and such. They're still kittypets, but they simply don't get the image cause of their age. That's how we've always done it, and I don't think this should be much different. Paleh Send help 03:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ummm... Along time, lol I get sidetracked easily. xP But in my eyes, they are a part of StarClan, members of StarClan, that's like saying that because Frecklewish, and the other daylight-warriors are still kittypets, they shouldn't get warrior images, Maybe a switch template would be good for this, a modified version of the blanks and the kit image. owo I don't know if I'm making any sense x3 -Ducksauce 03:47, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
But being part of sktclan means being a rank, in her case, MC. Cody joined TC temporarily, but she didn't get an image because she never became a warrior or anything. You don't get a blank for joining something, you get it for actually changing ranks or ages. Which the starclan kits do not. There's no rank change or age change on them. It'd be pointless making blanks for those guys. Paleh Send help 03:50, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
SktClan? lol Yes, but Cody was never shown to have any desire to be part of ThunderClan, these kits do not have a choice, they are members of StarClan, therefore they should get an image for it. -Ducksauce 03:54, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
As I said, joining something doesn't mean you need to get a new image. That's be like saying we should make a new rank for the rogues that form groups together and such like Jingo. Clan cats get images when the join purely because a rank automatically comes with joining. They go together with normal clans. StarClan is different, they don't have ranks period, so there shouldn't be an image just for joining. The images are there because they're no longer the rank of any blanks we have, except for the kits, who didn't have a rank in the first place so didn't change. Going by that logic, kittypet, rogue, and loner kits should get different kit images than clan kits. Oh gimme a break, the t is close to the y DX Paleh Send help 03:59, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
I still stand by my original opinion, that they should get an image. -Ducksauce 04:04, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
-shrugs- To each their own, I put my opinion. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what everyone else thinks. Oh also a little note, if we make altered starclan kit blanks for them, we have to make altered kittypet/rogue/loner kit blanks for other characters. o3o Jus' sayin'. Paleh Send help 04:09, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think they need another set of blanks. Just give them the StarClan blank. Like Paleh said, the kittypet, rogue, and loner don't get smaller blanks for their kits. If this does pass Whiskey is going to need to figure out a better way of resizing blanks. o3o -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 04:56, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Resizing the blanks a bit would be a good idea. After all, the kits are still members of StarClan. Silverhmm 12:13, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Why not just having a toggle between the full-sized StarClan blanks and the kit blanks? Honestly, Mosskit and co. are every bit a StarClan member as Whistestorm and others...they're just smaller. They should still get some kind of image. Rainlegs 14:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
A toggle would be a good idea. Leggo's got a really good point. They are just as much of a StarClan cat. And I think Mosskit actually says something to that effect in The Last Hope that proves they're not just "kits". —Jayce(19:36, 1/3/2013)
I stick by my argument that nothing should be done. Again, the blanks were made because there are no ranks in StarClan, so the leader, deputy, elder, warrior, and apprentice blanks wouldn't work, but kits are already rankless. Shelly For a limited time only 19:40, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
Why should we exclude the kits from the blanks? They're StarClan cats all the same, and we made the blank for StarClan cats. The matter of their physical age shouldn't matter, as it's been proven that kits aren't just kits in StarClan. —Jayce(19:46, 1/3/2013)
Mosskit, Adderkit, and Blossomkit all stayed kits in StarClan, as did Yellowfang's daughters. In fact, the only kits we've seen to have aged in StarClan were Smallkit and his siblings, and the Erins stated that was a special case. And no, the blanks weren't just made to represent cats as members of StarClan, they were made to represent, basically, a state of ranklessness. And, as we've already established again and again, kit is an age, not a rank. I believe the dead kits should just be left with their kit blanks unless we've seen them as adults in StarClan. Shelly For a limited time only 20:02, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
To me, it didn't seem like these blanks were made to represent rankless cats, but only the StarClan cats. o3o Anyway, I think it would be good to at least have some sort of differentiation between the dead StarClan kits and the living ones. Maybe not use the full StarClan blank. Shrinking that blank down seems like a good idea. Then, the person looking at the image will get the idea that it is a young kit that is deceased in StarClan. It could be awfully confusing to have all kits, dead and alive, to use the seme blank. It's why we made these blanks in the first place, right? So people would know right away that the cat is StarClan, regardless of what kind of cat they were in their clan. As Cloudy said, why would we exclude kits just because of the age in which they died? They're still StarClan cats. Sorry if I'm repeating people x.x;; ʝΣηяѲ¢к The Aftermath Is Secondary 22:00, 03, 01, 2013
I agree with the others, the kit's have much of a place in StarClan than any other cat. And Cloudy did point out that Mosskit had indeed matured with her time there, and that they are more than just kits there.(I'm sure that even though their size doesn't, they still 'grow up' in a sense) I also agree on the toggle, for that seems like a good idea, too.asdf im probably repeating too cx ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 22:04, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not truly opposed to either idea, leaving as is or shrinking the blanks, but I don't think that there should be a new set of blanks made all together. Like has been said before, a kit is no less a part of StarClan than any other cat, they're just smaller. Though there's no evidence that kits can't grow in StarClan, as seen with Smallkit and the others, normally, it seems that kits stay as kits, and they're picture should show a kit, not a full grown cat. So, whether we leave them with their kit charart or shrink the blanks, kits should not be done with the full-size blanks since they're not full grown cats. ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 22:21, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
I've already stated my opinion on what I think should be done so I wont repeat myself, but I will say Scarlet is right. If we do end up giving them starclan images, they most definitely should not be the full sized ones, as they wrongly portray the cat, and it is confirmed by the erins that kits stay kits in starclan except in the special case of smallkit and his siblings. Paleh Send help 13:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
There hasn't been much comment on this for a while. Anyone object to shrinking the blanks for the kits, maybe to about the size (generally) of the old apprentice blanks? ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 02:53, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, yeah, kit is not a rank, but they died as infants. Mosskit is noted to be hanging around the bottom's of Snowfur's legs. They are rankless but are still smaller than most other StarClan cats, and that's why I believe that they should get a smaller StarClan blank. Iveh Yo! 05:54, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
Though I don't exactly agree with doing it, I won't object. However they shouldn't be the size of the old app blanks, they should be just barely bigger than our current kit blanks imo. They are /kits/ after all. Paleh Send help 04:02, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
I was just suggesting the old apprentice blanks just because in proportion, they'd be pretty small compared to the regular blanks, but they might get all pixelated if they get too small ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 02:26, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
Have we come to any sort of conclusion on this? Appledash the light of honor 11:31, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
It looks like we're resizing them. I just want to ask if I'm supposed to do it and, if so, if they need to be miniatures or proportioned to be kitten-like. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 05:30, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
I believe that seems to be the majority consensus. *nods* Paleh Send help 05:50, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
I think you're to be the one who resizes them...and I think they should be smaller, but not necessarily kitten-like... I'm not sure on that. What do you guys think? Because they really shouldn't be teeny-tiny like those demon kit blanks. —Jayce(05:54, 2/2/2013)
Actually no, despite how much you guys hate the size of those, it does need to be kitten size, meaning roughly the size of the kit blank, maybe a little bit bigger. And yes I think Whiskey is supposed to be the one to do them. Paleh Send help 20:08, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
Bluestar Question[]
I know we're tweaking Bluestar's images to be pale, but shouldn't we keep the regular blue leader character? She's been shown that way in art, and I don't know if this counts, or if Mistystar should be made pale, but they're said to very similar/identical (I don't remember which). We do art for characters in CoTC and the mangas, so, I believe she still needs the regular blue image. Thoughts?Iveh Yo! 07:41, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Oh that's right.... Forgot about the cats of the clans image. Hm.... Well she's shown as really really blue, not so much gray in that, so perhaps now that her official shade has changed, she should just get an alt. The normal leader doesn't really match the color in the official art though. In normal cases I'd say that'd be a contradiction to the pale description since it came first, however it's not so much blue gray as dark blue, which doesn't match her description anyways. So yeah probably an alt. As for Mistystar, I'd have to see the exact quote to decide. What book was it again? Paleh Send help 20:50, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, so how about we switch the blue leader image to her alt and I can quickly tweak it to her blue color since I have the layers, and then of course the pale's going on her main, so I think a switcharoo would be easiest. And I believe it was in Forest of Secrets (the one where Mistyfoot is pregnant I think) Iveh Yo! 16:01, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
Have we come to an answer? Appledash the light of honor 11:32, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
Switch of images has been made, I'm pretty sure ~Scarletwind"Time to go home Flap." 05:07, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Reserving?[]
How do I reserve an image? Offline ~SparkyWhisker4~
Add your name (alphabetically) in to the Current Projects table if you haven't already and then just add the character's name and the abbreviation for the blank that's supposed to be used. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 20:03, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
It says I can't edit the current projects. It only says 'View source.' Offline ~SparkyWhisker4~
You need to be logged in. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 20:28, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
Could I join this? And also, one thing. You don't have to take it seriously. Fernshade as a kit, her chest has too much color. The other pictures have a fully white chest. I changed that, but I didn't upload it. I'm sorry to bother you.
Please add this ^ in a new headline. To do it, go into 'Source mode,' put 4 ='s and put the subject headline between them. Thank you. Cloud 9 The Clock is TICKING!
Could I Join?[]
I was wondering if I could join...EarlyBird-morningBird (talk) 18:06, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
Of course you can join. I'll add you in as a kit right now. Make sure to take a look at the guidelines and if you need to, look at the apprentice tutorials. And if you think you need a mentor, just sign up for one on mentor program. Thanks for your interest in joining and we hope you enjoy! Appledash the light of honor 11:28, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
I was just wondering, may I join? I'm very good at digital art! thank you for your time! Takeachance32 (talk) 23:48, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Of course. Icy has linked all the things that are useful, which are the Guidelines which I would advise you'd read, tutorials for extra help, and the mentor program if you wish to apply for a mentor. Thank you for your interest in joining. :) Splook sweet creature 02:51, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
Can I join too? I have an interest in joining too, and I have read the apprentice tutorials. I use Paint and GIMP 2 make Chararts, but that's the only way I do it. (Iwon'truinanything) DarkstreamMountainClan (talk) 23:07, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Hehe, of course you can join. Icy linked everything helpful above, and I'll go add your name in. Welcome to the project! :3 Rainlegs 00:47, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
I'm Bramblewind, and I was wondering if I could be a member of PCA too. I love anything artsy, and PCA seems interesting. Thanks for your consideration Bramble (talk) 00:55, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
Another Question[]
How do you shade blanks? Whenever I try to make a wiki sprite, they always end up flat colored. I see lots that are shaded, with darker/lighter colors in some parts. How do you shade sprites? DarkstreamMountainClan (talk) 19:40, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
You can find out at the apprentice tutorials. Appledash the light of honor 14:59, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
Join PCA[]
Hello I'm *Starlingfoot*. I was just wondering could I join PCA? I'm very good at coloring but not very good at markings and shadings. Thanks.User:*Starlingfoot*/Sig 01:48, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Sure thing, you'll be added in as a kit. Take a peek at the guidelines, and the apprentice tutorials might be able to help with the shading and markings. :3 You can also go to thementor program if you need to. david 🌈 08:12, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Rushtail kit charart?[]
I noticed while browsing Duckpaw's page, this quote that she says:"If you're that small, maybe you should have stayed in the nursery. You're spoiling everything!" (Battles of the Clans, page 43) She's saying she was in the nursery, therefore she would have been a kit. What do y'all think? david 🌈 00:20, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Ohyus~ Definitely ouo Paleh Send help 00:42, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Yeppers, I'd think so. —Jayce(00:42, 2/9/2013)
I agree, that sounds like Rushtail should get one! Iveh Yo! 02:30, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
Can I join?[]
Hi! I'm Bramblewind, and I'm wondering if I could join PCA as a kit. Thanks! Bramble (talk) 17:06, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
Sure! I'll add you in right now. Make sure to look at our guidelines, apprentice tutorials or the mentor program if you need any help. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 18:20, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
PCA User Chart?[]
Umm, hi. This is Cloudwhisker (old username was ~SparkyWhisker~), and I changed my name. Can someone change my name on the user list? Thanks! ouo Cloud 9 The Clock is TICKING!
Of course. I'll do it right now. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 17:31, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
Blargh[]
Doesn't hurt (well....arguably), so may I rejoin? Yee should add me back as a kit, -shot- o3o Atelda insert vague subtext here 00:02, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
Happy now? 8D —Jayce(00:07, 2/17/2013)
Join Request[]
Hi ! I'm Brit , and I was wondering if I could join the project :) Brit 06:26, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
Sure thing! I'll add you in as a kit. Please read the Guidelines before anything, and be sure to check out the tutorials for additional help and the Mentor Program if you would like to apply for a mentor :) Welcome to the project, and have fun! Splook sweet creature 20:31, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
Join?[]
Can I join? User:Cryptid Hunter93/Sig
Re-Join[]
I'm not sure if I should call it Re-Join or just Join, since it's been so long. But whatever. I'm here to Re-Join. :) Thistle. 05:34, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
Hey there. Here's the guidelines if you want to refresh. Welcome back. c: -Rustle it takes a leap of faith 05:37, February 24, 2013 (UTC)