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Known/Given Rank

There's a few characters from Omen of the Stars, they are Ancient Cats. They haven't been given an image because they have a rank that doesn't have a blank, it's called Known/Given. I'm not sure if this means that this is the name that is known or that was given to them but I want to be sure (It's probably just what I expect). For an example of this look at, Fall.

TheArtistThatDoesArtSometimes (talk) 12:08, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

fall is never given a rank. we dont know that the tribe of endless hunting works the same as starclan, so they get no image. david 🌈 14:24, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I just wasn't sure TheArtistThatDoesArtSometimes (talk) 21:03, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Jumper's Alt Loner

This is probably a pretty dumb question, but what is Jumper's alt loner for? ErmineGlow (talk) 23:48, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

He is mistakenly shown with a underbite. His brother Hoot has the underbite.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 23:49, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay. Now for more questions. Question 1: How is a underbite shown on the charart blanks? And question 2: Do alts have to match the original pattern if it's for something like the underbite? ErmineGlow (talk) 23:54, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

do we really need these as alts though? wouldnt it fall under minor? I don't see the point in having what amounts to another set, the only difference being teeth. david 🌈 15:18, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

That does sound minor... I mean, it's noted in the trivia, so I'm not entirely sure he needs an alt. Hm.   Shepard   ( 15:22, 10/07/2017 )

I probably have the unpopular opinion but I think this is major enough to get an alt. It's not a misplaced piece of white or a pale muzzle, it's an actual deformity he is shown with. Branchwing 23:03, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Also, especially since it is a pretty major mistake when it comes to identifying who the heck is who! I mean, really he looks incredibly similar to Hoot.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 23:17, October 7, 2017 (UTC)

Agreeing with David, seems very minor SNOWFALL (02:39, 10/08/2017 )

I agree with Skt about it not really needing an alt, but we give alts for things like a pale muzzle (hopefully we can get that changed through the above discussion), and if we're going to keep those, I think we would have to give it for something like this. – Ivy 20:20, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

is it major if you literally cannot tell them apart without them being called their names to begin with? its a few pixel difference, and you can barely see the teeth without clicking on the images themselves. the pattern is also exactly the same owing to them being completely identical. I don't see how it qualifies, and if anything, it's down to whoever getting their names mixed up, since only one is ever shown at a time with teeth sticking out. david 🌈 20:24, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

(what i mean is that do we know they mean hoot or jumper? them only being referred to once each casts doubt on who they mean anyway, so can it really be used as it being 'major' proof? we just go with the first because that's usually how it's done here.) david 🌈 20:38, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

sooo.....we going anywhere with this david 🌈 14:23, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

Probably not. Should I just archive this and leave things as-is until someone else wants to decide what to do? It's not really going one way or the other...and the conversation is just sorta sitting here.   Shepard   ( 14:36, 10/25/2017 )

File Names

Hey, just for future reference, when we name images, there are certain characters that will only need the first part of their name, kinda like what we've done for the Tribe cats. CharartName is the template that holds all of this lovely information, and allows us to keep file names shorter, while still allowing them to be displayed on certain pages.

For example, let's take Fox (DTC). You would think that his file names would have to be [[File:Fox (DTC).star.png]], and for whatever other ranks he has. With this template, it allows the file name to be [[File:Fox.star.png]], while still displaying on the article. Most of these don't apply to future projects, but we never know what'll happen in the future.

In addition to the Tribe cats, these articles have had their file names changed, because they are technically the only cat in the series with these names, but due to their usage elsewhere (cobwebs are used for healing, magpies are birds, petals are used in medicine, ect), we have to alter the article names:

I'm going through and fixing the rest of the links for these images, but if anyone else sees anything, please let me know and I'll tinker with it.   Shepard   ( 16:28, 10/22/2017 )

Su cites images

So, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but since I've heard we're removing the Su cites because the links are broken now, what will happen to the images of those affected (ex. File:Pricklekit (WC).kit.png)? Will they stay in the database for now, or will they be deleted? Branchwing 22:05, October 23, 2017 (UTC)

I think they should be kept in case we get the cites back. dan 22:47, 10/23/2017

I think we should be deleting them, but that's just me. /^: Of course people can keep the art on their charart stashes if they want, but for wiki purposes, they should be gone since they're not canon. I honestly doubt we will get further confirmation on this stuff. But, again, that's just me. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 22:48, 10/23/2017

Honestly they should be kept. We could get confirmation that the descriptions were valid. (Not just saying this cause some of my better images were done for these pages). Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣00:02 Tue Oct 24

I could have sworn I already said that I'm not going to be deleting them. They already went through the approval process and are still valid to PCA. For some users, those might be a nice portion of their images, and that would be a huge slap in their faces to get rid of them. If we ever get confirmation of some of this information, it'll be good to already have these on-hand.   Shepard   ( 01:10, 10/24/2017 )

Heyo, we from the German Wiki we made screenshots of (hopefully) every answer Su ever gave. We named them after the User that asked and a brief title what the question/answer ist referring to. If you'd like I can upload those to here (since the ones we already have on the wiki aren't fully uploaded yet) once I get home to access my PC with all the files. I assume you don't want the ones about the Missing Kits so I'm gonna leave those out. Do you want me to rename the screenshots to a certain structure or are you fine if they have the screen name of the one who asked the question and a tag that describes what it's about? (e.g. if someone called "UserXYZ" asked about whether Mousefur had a mate, the screenshot would be named "UserXYZ - Mousefur.png") Dewdropᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 13:51, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

If we don't have the direct links to the Facebook page with the comments still intact, we can't use them. As much as we'd probably rather not lose a lot of our work, the way we do things here won't allow us to just use screenshots. We need that link to the Facebook comments, otherwise those cites are technically invalid and don't count here.   Shepard   ( 13:57, 10/25/2017 )

Well as you probably know the links are still accessable and technically still correct the problem is just that Su made her profile private. I don't have Facebook so I don't know if this is the case but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that the people who are friends with her could still see those comments.

It's a bummer that webarchive doesn't work with Facebook pages and I doubt anyone bothered to try and save them all.

This makes me wonder, though: shouldn't this logic of needing the original be visible also apply to the Summer 2011 Erin Hunter Chat from the official forums? Sorry to get a little off track here but when visiting the Questions and Answers board with webarchive around 2011~2012-ish there is no such thread to be seen and the link to the chat that was used in previous versions of the article here doesn't offer any results. What happened to this chat? Dewdropᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 14:23, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

I was once friends with Su on Facebook, and she told me that she would prefer to keep that account professional. I don't blame her one bit- people were downright cruel to her, and if this is how she prevents further harassment, I don't think we should be attracting any attention whatsoever to her account or anything associated with it. This also means I don't think any one of us would be able to see that information.

Regardless, if the general public cannot see those cites, then I don't think we can use them. It would probably be best for Su if we don't have anything that could possibly link her current account to what she used to reply to comments on Vicky's Facebook page. If she has her profile set as private, it's that way for a reason and we shouldn't be trying to dig into her personal account just for some answers about a cat book series.

I did have a copy of the information revealed in the 2011 Erin Hunter Chat on the "official forums". The issue with that is that the moderators delete any and all old threads, and since the forum itself closed a fairly decent time ago, none of that information is still accessible. I'm not sure why they deleted the threads, but any attempt to ask was met with the "no mentioning outside websites" comment, and our replies+threads deleted and accounts banned.   Shepard   ( 14:33, 10/25/2017 )

Fair enough, I heard people even blamed her for Tigerheart's Shadow which kinda makes me lose even more faith in humanity.

About the forums though: you can still access the forums with saves like this from 2011: https://web.archive.org/web/20110901221406/http://forums.warriorcats.com:80/eve/forums/a/frm/f/4111057852

My issue is that both 2010 chats can still be fully viewed, but the one from 2011 doesn't even seem to show up in that subboard like, at all. Even if this thread was deleted or no one made a save of the actual thread, you'd still see it in previous saves of this page even if you can't see it's content. Unless, of course the thread was in another subboard but I find that hard to believe. Dewdropᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 15:00, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

I think that we should get rid of the images on the pages themselves but not delete the images. (Or did we already do that?) Appledash the light of honor 17:29, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we already did that, Appledash. Branchwing 21:04, November 4, 2017 (UTC)

rejoin?

hey, sorry i haven't been as active as i wish i could be. i kind of dropped out of my warriors interest for a while, and i want to get back into the swing of things. i figured the first way i could do that was by rejoining pca, so, mind if i rejoin? luke my last (マイラスト) 00:18 Thu Nov 16

Tigerstar

I know I am going to be killed for bringing this up again, so let us try not to attack each other like we did last time, all right? So Jayce and I were discussing something and we came across the fact that Tigerstar does not match Hawkfrost, in which he should. Out of the three, (remember that it is a huge plot in the storyline that they are meant to look exactly like each other, to the point where Firestar can't trust Brambleclaw at all because he looks exactly like Tigerstar and sees him every single time, and there was a point where Hawkfrost jumped out and Firestar was so spooked because he thought it was Tigerstar given a tenth life) Hawkfrost is the only one with a given tabby pattern. Now, I know that once again you guys are going to tell me that the images cannot match 100%, in which I completely respect and understand. However, my issue is, they do not match at all. Bramblestar matches Hawkfrost close enough, I believe, unless we want to dispute that, but Tigerstar does not. Tigerstar's stripes are not even close to what Hawkfrost's are, and once again, I know that it cannot and should not be a 100% match, but bear with me here. Tigerstar's colors are also very different, and I cannot see any part of him that resembles Hawkfrost in the slightest. I believe that Tigerstar's images should be tweaked to match Hawkfrost a bit more. No, not 100%, but around maybe like 70%. I understand that we cannot just copy Hawkfrost's image, put it on Tigerstar, and call it a day. But that is my opinion, and I would like to see what you guys think. Appledash the light of honor 17:29, October 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think he's fine. It's probably just the texture that's throwing off Tigerstar's color from Hawkfrost's and Bramblestar's. Their stripes match pretty well, I'd even say that Tigerstar's stripes are closer to Hawkfrost's than Bramblestar's, in my opinion. But even then, they do match pretty well, but not exactly. Branchwing 00:01, October 30, 2017 (UTC)

I compared their apprentice images side by side and I got that bramble and hawk's stripes are almost exactly the same save for the fact that hawk has chest stripes and bramble has a pale chest. They're also both relatively similar to Tigerstar, but they don't match as well as they could. I mean, we had hoot and jumper match barley exactly (I know we had pictures confirming they looked exactly alike, but still) If several cats have mistaken bramble and hawk for tiger, then they should match almost exactly, like how bramble and hawk match. dan 00:26, 10/30/2017

I compared Hawkfrost and Tigerstar's images and think the stripes are very similar, the colors are a little different, and I think the most notable difference between their images is Tigerstar's pale chest SNOWFALL (01:22, 10/30/2017 )

I definitely think they should look more similiar, like what we did with Barley, Jumper and Hoot.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 03:26, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Fyi, I color picked from Hawkfrost's Dark Forest image. The only reason their colors could be different is because I added texture. I forgot about the pale parts though, but I also added texture to those so they probably look darker than they should be. I did try and match Hawkfrost's dark forest image when I did the DF (which, tbh does look pretty different from his other images), but I matched the rogue to Tigerstar's DF image and so on, maybe that's why they don't match 100%. If there's an agreement on this, I'm not going to tweak the DF because I honestly did try to match it when I did it. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 04:58,11/3/2017

If he does end up being changed, at most only the stripes should be tweaked because the rest is fine. The texture is really just shadow in the fur, it doesn't have to be removed. The pale parts don't need to match because Hawkfrost has a white chest, not pale parts. Also, the shading styles are quite different, so keep that in mind also. The color is also fine, I colorpicked from Hawkfrost when I did his image. I'm not voicing an opinion on whether he should be tweaked or not, but I feel like I need to say how I drew Tigerstar as the OA of his pattern, and what parts I feel match fine. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 06:20,11/3/2017

Actually Hawkfrost doesn't have a white chest, he has a white underbelly. I know pale parts are artist's choice but in this case maybe Tigerstar's pale chest should be reduced to just his belly to match Hawkfrost better? Comparing the kit images it's especially obvious that the pale chest is the most noticeable difference, while the DF images look the most similar, because you can't really see Tigerstar's pale chest in that one SNOWFALL (17:47, 11/04/2017 )

Well according to that, Bramblestar's pale chest also needs to be removed if Tigerstar's needs to be. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 05:25,11/5/2017

See, I really don't think Tigerstar's images should have the texture. When we match things here, I've always been under the impression that it needs to match completely. Colors, texture, stripe pattern, ect. I get that texture is optional, but the texture that Tigerstar has is one of the main reasons it looks like his images don't match his son's. While they're said to look like Tigerstar, Hawkfrost is the one with the cited tabby pattern... I don't mean to be rude, but I honestly don't think Tigerstar's images match his sons at all. Especially because of the fur texture. Given all three of these cats are basically mirrors of one another, Tigerstar really should match.

We did it with Jumper, Hoot, and Barley, and there's no reason that Tigerstar, Hawkfrost, and Bramblestar should be exempt from this. Artistic freedoms aside, and as nice of images as they are... there really isn't any justifiable reason as to why these shouldn't match; if it's to the point they're basically scared of Hawkfrost and Bramblestar because of their appearance and likeness to Tigerstar, those images should reflect that. Evert part of the image. This includes texture, pale parts, colors, and whatnot. Sure, it's a choice to add texture, but in cases where cats are said to be spitting images of one another, that needs to be taken into consideration.   Shepard   ( 05:32, 11/05/2017 )

In that case, I can easily tweak mine (I have the file) by removing all the texture layers + pale parts and giving the stripes a slight tweak. The colors are the same as Hawkfrost's underneath the texture. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 11:47,11/6/2017

Any other comments?   Shepard   ( 11:26, 11/20/2017 )

Archiving due to lack of comments.   Shepard   ( 13:25, 12/19/2017 )

Join?

Hey, can I join the project? Malina457 (talk) 19:24, November 29, 2017 (UTC)Malina

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to the project, and make sure to read the guidelines. – Ivy 23:12, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

I want to join too!

Can I join?

Hello! 

I was wondering if I could join project charart. I would love to be of more use to the wiki.

Mottle-Star-MuckAustralianShepherdBlueMerle (talk) 23:02, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Welcome to PCA! – Ivy 23:12, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much Ivybreeze, for everything. Mottle-Star-MuckAustralianShepherdBlueMerle (talk) 23:35, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Firestar’s Fur

I don’t mean to start anything, so please do not think that I do. I believe that Firestar is not actually dark, as this was only mentioned twice, whereas he is always described as flame-colored (which I would assume means a more vibrant red-orange color). Plus, Jake is said to look near-identical to Firestar. Firestar is also always depicted as being this more vibrant color in his official art. Now, I am aware that the official art is not entirely accurate (for example, the Into The Wild cover depicts Firepaw as a solid ginger, something that is to my knowledge genetically impossible), however when they are consistent and the descriptions are also mostly consistent to them, they are a good adding factor. I should also mention that the “dark” description was previously acknowledged as a mistake in the trivia, and was added as an alternate image. If this mistake is mentioned one time more, wouldn’t it make a bit more sense to simply add it into the trivia instead of changing the main description/picture? Now again, I sincerely promise that I do not mean to start anything or offend anyone, I just thought that this was something that needed to be addressed.

PS: Here is the excerpt from his trivia that I have mentioned, the specific part I alluded is in bold: “He has been mistakenly described as dark red,[56] golden,[57] and shown as a ginger non-tabby on the cover of Into the Wild,[58] and in the manga of Bluestar's Prophecy, Yellowfang's Secret, and Tallstar's Revenge.[59][38][60]“


~ Louise

Okay, but the thing is, we don't have anything in canon to contradict Firestar being called dark ginger. We do not use, nor allow, covers to be used as citations. Dark red wouldn't be the same thing as dark ginger... and he's outright called dark ginger in Firestar's Quest. It's not just him being called dark. We did not have a cite that called him bright (or in Mistystar's case, one calling a cat neither pale or dark), therefore the dark ginger cite is still valid. I really don't understand why people are complaining so much about this. I found a cite that did not contradict his canonical description, so I added it. Jake's description has nothing to do with it.   Shepard   ( 05:59, 12/07/2017 )


Then why not change Jake to match Firestar? As I’ve said, they are supposed to look near-identical. Again, I sincerely promise that I’m not trying to be rude or start anything. Please do not thing I am.


~ Louise

As Jayce said, Firestar is dark ginger. We have a cite and nothing to contradict it. I do agree that we can change Jake to look more like Firestar.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 01:42, December 8, 2017 (UTC)

We do have a cite, but I'm not sure if we should change Jake. There's nothing that says he's dark, it's only said for Firestar. I'm not entirely sure if it's artist's choice on ginger darkness without a cite for the darkness, so I'll stay neutral for now. Branchwing 11:19, December 8, 2017 (UTC)

Darkness is artist's choice, whether it be gray, ginger, brown, ect, if one isn't said. I don't object to tweaking him, but I should get to pick the shade, since it's my pattern.   Shepard   ( 11:40, 12/08/2017 )

Lack of comments, archiving.   Shepard   ( 13:25, 12/19/2017 )

Snaketooth, Redwillow (alt.), and Quailkit

I've noticed that Snaketooth's desc was only a ton with a dark brown head and one of Redwillow's with the tawny cheek have images with them, without describing the rest of the body, etc. This happens to Quailkit whom is stated to be a tom with crow black ears. We said to not do his image because we don't know what color he is fully. However, Snaketooth and Redwillow's alt is described to only one physical description, yet they get full images. We don't know if they're all tawny, tortoiseshell, or dark brown like Snaketooth and Redwillow's alt. I was just thinking this and stuff,, comments? C o s m o s n e s s 🐾#team litten 17:56, December 13, 2017 (UTC)

In Redwillow's case, it contradicts his description. Not sure about the other two, though.   Shepard   ( 18:16, 12/13/2017 )

i brought this up once and pretty sure we decided that they get the charart, but the description must be listed as is. difference between all these cats is also tat they have an actual colour to go off, quailkit doesn't. david 🌈 18:18, December 13, 2017 (UTC)

Archiving.   Shepard   ( 13:25, 12/19/2017 )

Fern Leaf's tail

Fern Leaf was described with a short tail, but in Path of Stars, it just says that she lifts her tail. Would this count for an alt? I promise that I'm not just searching for art to do, it's just something I noticed while re-reading the series. However, should this require an alt, I really would like to do this. :^)—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 00:34, 12/14/2017

Well it says her tail is short. I'd say it means she still has a tail (and can lift it), it's just shorter than other cats' tails.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 00:40, December 14, 2017 (UTC)

the book said its about half, so theres still enough to be able to lift her tail. even a stump can still be raised, to some degree. (going off a manx cat ee had for that one.) david 🌈 15:54, December 16, 2017 (UTC)

Archiving.   Shepard   ( 13:25, 12/19/2017 )

Needletail & others

Darkest Night spoilers




So, for those who have read it this early, you know that Needletail isn't in StarClan or the Dark Forest, and she's dead. She actually flat out tells Violetshine she is in neither StarClan nor the Dark Forest. Does that mean those cats who are in this purgatory-like state get blanks or not? I think they should, just because they aren't in either place, and they aren't actually rogues/whatever their past affilation was anymore. They merit a blank, in my opninon. This is something that hasn't been done in Warriors before. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 01:56, 11/07/2017

We have a blank for the Cats of the Park. And it was only a rank used for like 3 characters. This definitely qualifies as it's own thing. Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣01:58 Tue Nov 7

Is Needletail the only cat so far? If so, I think we should wait to see if this is just a one-off mention or not...   Shepard   ( 02:00, 11/07/2017 )

It's not just Needletail. I'll have to find the cite again for the other cats mentioned, but yeah. Off the top of my head, it wasn't just her. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 02:12, 11/07/2017

Alright, if there are other cats, then yeah, I completely agree with giving them at least something to represent their residency. StarClan and the Dark Forest have their own blanks, so it makes perfect sense to give these cats their own as well... since they are very clearly in neither place.   Shepard   ( 02:14, 11/07/2017 )

I agree with giving them their own blank, like what has been said above, they aren't in either place, so I think they should. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 02:19, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

If there's other cats, then yeah, they probably should get a blank. But I'm just wondering, would these only apply to these cats, or cats who have been said or shown to be somewhere else as well? (Jake is the only one I can think of that's fits under this, but I'm pretty sure there's other cats as well.) Branchwing 10:33, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what the actual pages are since I have the ebook. But the others were Birchbark, Lioneye, Beenose (even though she was already in StarClan), Mistcloud, and Dawnpelt (later in StarClan). So the purgatory definitely isn't just for Needletail. This definitely needs a blank, it's certainly unique enough. Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣18:03 Tue Nov 7

I agree with what has been said. Because these cats are basically called Ghost cats, and they aren't in starclan yet. They aren't in the dark forest either, but they are the lost clanmates that have unfinished business with the living cats. C o s m o s n e s s 🐾#cat lady 18:16, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

don't think this should count for jake and such. it's not confirmed as the same residence, and this is basically purgatory. david 🌈 19:22, November 7, 2017 (UTC)

Jake shouldn't get it for the reasons Skt listed. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 19:23, 11/07/2017

Have we come to a conclusion? I think we could go ahead and make a forum for this, if no one objects to it.   Shepard   ( 11:25, 11/20/2017 )

Jumping in to say that I agree with giving them blanks (would've commented earlier but when this discussion started I was in the middle of DN) dan 22:56, 11/20/2017

Same as Daniel, hadn't read the book yet. I agree, they are sorta groupless, wondering spirits so get their own blank. Quick question, Rock actually seems pretty similar. I'm pretty sure it's said he is dead, but he doesn't belong to any group, just wonders the tunnels. Come to think of it, Fallen Leaves falls under the same rules too. Do they count?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 07:21, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Nope, Stealth. Rock is very much alive. He even says as much.   Shepard   ( 09:05, 11/21/2017 )

Ah okay nevermind. :P What about Fallen Leaves?Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 09:32, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

I think Fallen Leaves would count. He said himself he was dead and lost, and following Hollyleaf's death and fighting the Place of No Stars, he joins the Tribe of Endless Hunting, much like we see with Dawnpelt. Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣17:38 Tue Nov 21

Agreeing with what Sunjaw said. These new cats are described as ghosts, and as far as I can remember Fallen Leaves was called a ghost several times and he wasn't in the ToEH yet. dan 21:27, 11/21/2017

Agreeing with Sunjaw. Branchwing 14:24, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

Somewhat late, but I agree with Sunjaw. --ErmineGlow (talk) 01:54, November 30, 2017 (UTC)

Have a vote, sorry for it being so late.   Shepard   ( 13:23, 12/19/2017 )

Sandynose Alts

Does Sandynose's alts have texture or is it the way with the shading? I'm just curious.. sorry if this was a bad question!  C o s m o s n e s s 🐾#team litten 05:34, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that there is texture. Branchwing 11:16, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

If they do, they can't have them bc of what we said earlier about alts having texture from manga. 17:10, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

A Join Request

May I join to the whole Charart project?

Join?

Can I please join?

Lady Mipha 01:12, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

Sure welcome to PCA! Make sure to read the guidelines and check out the tutorials!Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 05:31, February 10, 2018 (UTC)

Deputy - Winner: Patchfeather14

So, after talking with Jayie in Discord, she has decided to step down from being PCA's deputy. Since I'm completely unsure of where to even begin with this, Breezey suggested assigning everyone a number and rolling a die. I love this idea, and I'd like to get a list of everyone interested in becoming PCA's next deputy! So far, I have Broken and Cosmo on my list.

The requirements for being able to enter this fun little raffle are the same as becoming a lead:

  • User must have been a member of the project for at least 4 months.
  • User must have at least six images of their own approved.
  • User must be able to give good, constructive criticism.

I will keep this open for one week, starting today, 28 February, and it will end on 7 March. All interested users let me know below! Please don't shoot me for actually doing this. I think it's fun and I enjoy it.   Shepard   ( 07:03, 2/28/2018 ) 

So . . . do I just put something saying I'd like to enter? (idk man I'm lost) star 👻square hammer👻06:01, 3/01/2018

Raises hand- I want to be useful! (I know I'm not huge with editing outside PCA due to not actually owning any of the books myself...but still...)Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣06:38 Thu Mar 1

I also raise my hand. Why not? ^^ Good luck to everyone! Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 13:24, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, Star, that's basically all you do! It's simple. 8D   Shepard   ( 14:17, 3/01/2018 ) I guess I'll join in, why not? —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 15:28, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

I would like to enter. Appledash the light of honor 14:09, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

I'll enter, as I will be much more active. Basketball and schoolwork has been dragging me down ^^' Comet ☄ Blazing Star 16:06, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

(since I've been told it would be okay) I'll throw my name in the hat as well^ spooky a black scaredy cat! 23:31, 3/04/2018

I was here for a year but left and never officially rejoined... Do I count? =P Cheryl You're so Gorgeous ~05:34,3/7/2018

I’d love to join! I know I may not be the best artist, but I try to give good critiques and I do really love this project. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 16:37, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Since the 7th is officially over on the wiki clock, and has been for a while, this is now closed and I will be announcing the new deputy in a few hours! (can't do it from mobile)   Shepard   ( 05:20, 3/08/2018 ) 

The results are in!!! The winner, as decided by random.org's number generator, is Patch! Congrats, man!   Shepard   ( 12:39, 3/08/2018 ) 

So I just realized that I hadn't seen Winter's request to be involved with the drawing. I am extremely sorry about that. Would everyone like me to redraw? I honestly am so so so sorry about that, and I'm not sure why I didn't see the edit. ;_;   Shepard   ( 13:01, 3/08/2018 )

Well this just got a heck of a lot more complicated. I think that's honestly a question that only Patch and Winter can answer because it affects them the most. If Winter really, really wants a chance for the deputy position, and Patch agrees to step down (because, even though the drawing didn't include everyone, she was still technically the winner), then we should have a redraw. If Winter does not want the chance anymore to potentially become deputy (because desires can change), then Patch can keep it imo. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 13:17, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Winter, I will also offer you an automatic SW rank, if you don't want me to redraw. This was a mistake on my part, and I'm willing to own up to it. I should have triple-checked my list, and for that, I really am sorry.   Shepard   ( 13:19, 3/08/2018 ) 

It's all up to Winter. If she doesn't want a redraw, then that's cool, but if she does I'll step down and let the dice roll again. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 13:24, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Woah, wait...do you mean Winter as in me? Cool! It’s okay that you didn’t see my request, Snowed. You don’t have to redraw. I wouldn’t do that to Patch. They can keep their position, so congratulations! I will gladly take the SW position, as I’ve always wanted to be one. I’ll need to get caught up with all of Charart and it’s rules again, since I’ve been inactive for a while, but I’ll try my hardest to help. I’ll probably make mistakes so don’t shoot me :P Thanks! Also, just for future instances, I’m a he not a she. :) ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 13:48, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

You are amazing, thank you so much. I am so sorry again, and I'm glad this was quickly resolved.   Shepard   ( 13:53, 3/08/2018 ) 

Aww people are so nice here nowadays <3 Ok I sound creepy lol Since this is solved (and amazing!) may I officially rejoin PCA? I'm so sorry if I'm not supposed to say this here but I don't feel the need to start a new topic I don't really care what rank I'm added as, just wanna be part of the group, please? Cheryl You're so Gorgeous ~17:52,3/8/2018

Sure Bramble! I’ll ad you in as a...kit I guess. Welcome back! ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 21:11, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

I moved her up to a warrior, since she's been apart of the project before and knows what she's doing. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 21:40, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Wildly - Join Request

Heyyy I was wondering if I can join PCA. X3 Wildly (talk) 21:59, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Ok! I'll add you as a kit, but be sure to read the rules and such! If you have any questions, don't be hesitant to ask! (: C o s m o s n e s s 🐾#team litten 22:08, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Okay and thank you so much!! :) Wildly Not just a joke 22:13, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Request to join

Can I plz join -Fireclaw

Adding you in^^ please check out the guidelines and welcome to the project. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 12:45, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Join ReQuest

Hello, could i please join Project Character art? IcestormWhatinTARNATION 19:13, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

Adding you in^^ please check out the guidelines and welcome to the project. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 12:46, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Charart Contest

So me and a few other users were talking in chat yesterday and the Charart Contest came up. If you don't know, in the Charart Contest, you pick a cat in the books who lacks a description and claim the character before anyone else, then make a charart for that character based on how you imagined them, for more you can read this. We all thought that it would be fun to do again. There is a downside to it though, as it can cause massive uploading on the wiki which can get pretty annoying and make people veer away, as I was told. But what do you guys think? I personally think it would be fun. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:19, March 25, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I have to disagree with this. I feel as if it would cause a lot of unnecessary drama if things turn awry and in general is just not a productive use of mass uploading. Appledash the light of honor 00:39, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

Hawkfire98 - (Re)Join Request

Howdy, I am returning to the Wiki after like 6-7 years (??) of being inactive. I want to get involved in PCA again because it is definitely my favorite project of the Wiki. :3

It will take me some time to get used to things again. I can't even remember most basic Wiki formatting right now hehe.. so take it easy on me at first. 

Just for fun, a little sample of my charart: My own warrior, Hawkfire! HAWKFIRE98 20:09, May 5, 2018 (UTC)
HawkfireDeputy

Hi there! Welcome back, I will add you in, please read the guidelines. For future reference, this is the charart approval page, all join requests and other discussions should be posted on Warriors Wiki talk:Charart^^ —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:21, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

Join

Hello! I'm interested in joining Project Character Art. May I join?

DuskYour best friend 22:51, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

I'll add you in as a kit, please check out the guidelines, and welcome to the project! —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 22:54, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

Redo The Warrior Art

Could you guys redo the warrior art/base sometime in the future? No need to do it immediately or fast if you don't have the time, but the quality difference between the warrior art and the rest of the art is drastic and extremely noticeable. It just doesn't look right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keznen (talkcontribs)

There is no need for it to be redone. Not each blank needs to match each blank style. Appledash the light of honor 03:23, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

The warrior status art? Needletail 🐾#Litten 03:27, May 10, 2018 (UTC)

But the thing is that every other image is in one style whilst the Warrior image is in another one. It doesn't match any of them and is quite jarring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keznen (talkcontribs)

Each blank has their own style. They're fine (although the anatomy is off), and do not need redone.   Shepard   ( 22:06, 5/11/2018 ) 

I mean, I do believe the warrior blank needs a redo for the bad anatomy, but not really right now when we're somewhere between River of Fire, a super edition, the closing book for AVoS, TBC book 1 where it wouldn't be a bad guess to say it's coming in a few months after TRS, and all the tweak nominations we could possibly find. Plus, if you looked at all the blanks, they do have their own style: applying your logic, we should redo the Cats of the Park shorthair because it doesn't match how the style of the Unknown Residence and Guardian Cat blanks with how shorthairs still have some fur, and the CoTP shorthair has hardly any suggestion of fur in its lineart. Same for the shorthair kittypet, and rogue, and sharpclaw, and softpaw, and caveguard, and prey hunter, and to be, and

you get my grip

honestly, if we were to redo the blank I'd definitely like it when, as said, we're not in the middle of three books + tweaks and possibly redo the blank when the series ends (which is absolutely not coming soon considering how much HarperCollins is trying to get out of this series with the broken code lmao) -- Neon Skylite CH-CH-CH-CHERRY BOMB! 23:57, 5/11/2018

I don't see why it should be redone. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 00:47, 5/12/2018

Don't use my logic against me and twist my words, thanks OP. The blanks are fine and we currently have way too much other work around the wiki to redo our most heavily used blank. They're fine, and each of them having their own style is not a bad thing. I meant it in a positive manner.   Shepard   ( 00:49, 5/13/2018 ) 


Tigerstar matching Bramblestar and Hawkfrost

Don't roast me! I have looked over and Tigerstar should be redone to match his sons better. To match Hawkfrost. Tigerstar has texture and the belly is more pixeled and smoothed out that Bramblestar's. Icy and Jayce both agree with me, but I want other people's opinions. Tigerstar's stripes and coloring should match more to Bramblestar's coloring and Hawkfrost's. I think they have the same color? Needletail 🐾#Litten 02:24, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

In general, you are right, Tigerstar does need to be redone. As far as I know, he should not have his texture as well if he wants to match Hawkfrost and Bramblestar. Before anyone complains about "if you want them to be exact, just copy them," no, that is not what I mean. I mean that they should at least look somewhat similar, and I did Tigerstar's leader and warrior, and I can tell you that the color is not correct neither are the stripes. Appledash the light of honor 02:28, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

They do need to match completely, as there is a book citation that shows it. Artistic freedom is very limited with this trio, due to book cites taking priority. They need to match 100%, and they do not.   Shepard   ( 02:31, 5/07/2018 )

I agree with the above. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 02:57, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

I agree too^ it's been mentioned multiple times how they look so similar... they need to match. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 04:08, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. It's easy for me to tell from a quick glance that Tigerstar's colouring needs to be more saturated.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 07:28, May 7, 2018 (UTC)

Like I said in the previous discussion, I can tweak my images to remove the texture and alter the pale part. I color picked from Hawkfrost and matched the stripe pattern - it's mainly the texture that makes it look different from Bramblestar and Hawkfrost.

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 03:11,5/12/2018

Id like to join --- Spinestar

At least the warrior and leader need to be redone. I did those and I know they do not match. Appledash the light of honor 04:15, May 12, 2018 (UTC)

Adding rank mistakes

Perhaps this is a conversation towards PC, but maybe I will start here: since we have alts for other characters, is it not worth mentioning (or making a note) in charcat galleries that some are mistakes, such as Needletail's warrior and Tawnypelt's deputy? Appledash the light of honor 22:05, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Well- I think it should be listed as they were mistakenly called something they were not ,and I think it's worth mentioning. Like Tree being called a rogue or Ravenpaw being called a rogue. It's a different rank for what they are usually. I believe that it should just stay the way it is- just my opinions, shrugs. Needletail 🐾#Litten 22:07, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I am talking about adding an alt to the file images (or a note on the gallery) by the way, if I was not clear, just because even though it may be in the trivia someone may still be confused (as I was.) Appledash the light of honor 22:08, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I agree that a note could be made, but the problem would be fitting it in (but I'm sure we could figure it out) Tawny's iirc counts for real though now per RoF, but I'm sure there's a bunch of other mistakes out there still spooky a black scaredy cat! 22:11, 5/02/2018

Whoops sorry. But how so? Needletail 🐾#Litten 22:12, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I was just thinking perhaps add a note to the gallery and a notes section which would say "this is a mistake," or change the file name to an .alt of some sort. Appledash the light of honor 22:35, May 5, 2018 (UTC)

it's already mentioned in the trivia, and it isn't displayed in the infobox. I'm not sure we should really edit the charcat template itself to display anymore than what's already there. It's cluttered enough with the massive amount of alts they have, and reading the trivia shows it's already a mistake. It also just so happens that Tawnypelt's mistake became not a mistake later on in the storyline.   Shepard   ( 23:14, 5/05/2018 )

Join Request

Hi,

I'm interested in joining project character art.

From 0Frostfur (talk) 06:06, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'll add you in as a kit. Thanks for having interest in PCA, and welcome! Please read the guidelines before particapatiing. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 21:54, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Bellaleaf and Firestar

so if her and firestar looking the same is ruled as a mistake, why are taking stripes from what is a mistake description, and combining them? we aren;'t supposed to do that, and looking like a character can mean more in just pelt colours. (body types, faces, whatever) david 🌈 20:48, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

"She looks just like Firestar!" is the exact quote. She is also called pale orange right before that. Her base color does not need to be tweaked, as she is also called pale orange many many many times throughout Ravenpaw's Farewell and subsequent books.   Shepard   ( 00:03, 5/20/2018 )

im also gonna add that she's never called a tabby anyway, that's a wiki description, so really the stripes matching is optional, and seems an unnecessary cosmetic tweak. david 🌈 06:19, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

If she is predominantly called pale orange then I think the description "she looks like Firestar" should be considered as an error. I don't think she needs to be tweaked at all if that is the case. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 09:35,5/21/2018

I don't think the tweak is necessary, either. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 18:36, 5/21/2018

I do agree they should be alts, but also agree that it shouldn't be tweaked. Needletail 🐾#Litten 03:32, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

Have we agreed upon not tweaking these images, and considering the "looking like Firestar" comment to be a mistake, then?   Shepard   ( 03:40, 5/28/2018 )

I agree. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 04:23, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I don't see an argument in favor of tweaking the images. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 13:18,5/28/2018

I'm gonna agree too (sorry for being late on this) It should be listed as a mistake and does not call for a tweak. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:14, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Anything happening with this?—Broken_Foot⭐StarClan's Prophet⭐ 12:09, 6/05/2018

Nope, we're just gonna archive it since there's a clear agreement here (and I've already removed Bellaleaf's images from the tweak list.)   Shepard   ( 19:46, 6/05/2018 )

Hunters with warrior blanks

I was not around for the discussion, I do not think so, so I am just going to bring it up here. For some cats that show up in Thunderstar's Echo, the allegiances have them specifically listed as a hunter, and yet we have warrior blanks for them. How do we know that warrior equals a hunter? The term "warrior" has not even been coined yet. They are hunters, we have no proof they are warriors. "Clan cat" does not equal to warrior, nor does "hunter," unless there is a cite I am completely missing. So I believe that we should remove the warrior images from those pages, unless we would want to create a blank for the hunter role. Appledash the light of honor 02:46, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

Addition: I know this was created a while back, I know. But I want to add my two cents in. I know there are a few cats called warriors in the book, so those should stay. But everyone who is not called a warrior should not get the blanks. A hunter is not a warrior unless there is proof. And the allegiances for Thunderstar's Echo on the Wiki is wrong. There is no instance of "warriors" in the allegiances at all. Appledash the light of honor 02:52, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

I must have missed out on the old discussion. I do not think they should count, because they were just called warriors. Not even everyone was, just like two or three ish. And it wasn't an official rank, either. So I don't think they should have the blank. JayI hope they remember you....ϟ 02:59, 5/24/2018

I think the hunters should count as their own rank. Only two cats in the book are called warriors, while everyone else is called otherwise. Also given the fact the allegiances have the hunters as a rank. I agree the warrior images should be removed from the pages. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 03:22, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

I agree with everyone about about them not being warriors and should have their own rank. Needletail 🐾#Litten 03:32, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

theyre still listed as warriors in the allegiances, so no, i dont believe they need blanks just for being hunters. they simply just have yet to build the traditions around any of the ranks. its also used more than once, so the term obviously exists and has been coined. david 🌈 05:55, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

They are not listed as warriors in the allegiances, though. The wiki says they are, but that is because we do not have any other input in the allegiances. In the allegiances in Legends of the Clans, they are listed as hunters. Appledash the light of honor 06:18, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

that one is my bad, wrote thatw hen I woke up. I still stand by the fact more thaat the term obviously exists sice it is used multiple times, there is a warriors den, and we had a discussion and agreed on it. david 🌈 06:53, May 24, 2018 (UTC)

I want to join the art group 

Should we have a vote on whether this qualifies for blanks or not? Appledash the light of honor 07:34, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I personally think a vote would be good; we'd be getting most to everyone's opinions then. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:06, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Request to join Project Charart

Hi. I’m Waffles. I wish to join Project Character Art. I was a part of this project about a year ago, but only made one charart (my own personal) and was taken away from the allegiances. But I wish to join again. I am not extremely talented, but I do have some experience with FireAlpaca. Hope you will consider my request.

~Wafflepaw/heart of BlogClan~
19:18, June 5, 2018 (UTC)

Hello, welcome back to the project. I'll add you in as a kit. Thanks for having interest in joining, and remember to read the guidelines before participating. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 13:49, June 6, 2018 (UTC)

Tabby cats without fur color?

I want to ask about cats like Graypool's kit and Flipkit. Their descriptions only say that they're tabby cats, but it doesn't say what color their fur is. But Flipkit and Graypool's kit still have charart (they both seem to be brown tabbies). And my question, shouldn't we just replace the images with 'no image' because we don't know their fur color? We know that they're tabbies, but not their color. {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Puffinstars/Sig}} (talk) 22:09, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

In our guidelines we are told that if a cat is called a tabby with no specific color, the color of said cat is to be brown. If they are mentioned with specific pelt colors in the future, the images will be tweaked. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 22:28, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

Default tabby coloring is brown due to the most common color of tabbies being brown. They're fine and do not need removing. They're always changed once a color is confirmed.   Shepard   ( 22:48, 6/02/2018 )

Okay. Thanks.

{{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Puffinstars/Sig}} (talk) 00:38, June 3, 2018 (UTC)

Joining (Maybe..?)

Hello! I am a user who has been on here for a bit, and I saw the Charart page and it said that you come here to join so I hope this is the right place!

So, I have done pixel art for around a year (except I stopped and the stuff was really cringey) and after watching some of Appledash's tutorials, I realize I have a good program to do it on! If you need to put me to a little test first, i'd be fine with that. 

Hope you guys are okay with this post! Thunderscar (talk) 00:54, June 20, 2018 (UTC)Thunderscar

Of course you can join^^ I'll add you in as a kit for now. Please give the guidelines a read before particapating. Also as a heads up, next time you post any discussion on a talk page, make sure to put it on the bottom of the page where the most recent ones are, so no one misses it. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 02:37, June 20, 2018 (UTC)

Charart contests

Okay, bear with me - I have another idea. So all projects have FAs, and I was wondering, if PCA should have one. But I do not think that should be an article - perhaps we could have a charart contest? We could have a host and perhaps they could decide the theme for said month (or timespan) and have contests. This was brought up a while ago but it was shot down, and I am just bringing it up now to see if opinions have changed. Appledash the light of honor 04:09, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I don’t really know what you mean, but it sounds fun! ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 04:20, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Honestly I don't think it would hurt. If we stick to uploading over our personal images and not creating mass files I don't see why it'd be a problem.

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 13:17,5/28/2018

I like the sound of this. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:12, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea for some fun^^ spooky a black scaredy cat! 14:17, 5/28/2018

Great idea. I think it would be a fun way to pass time while we don't have anything else to do. Branchwing 15:05, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea to keep our skills sharp during lulls between the books and a nice way for the community to bond! Any ideas as for the themes yet? Just gonna ramble some ideas and let my mind flow: best black and orange tortoiseshell design? best personal Firestar design for a set blank (just for fun)? best persona of a certain fandom character (whoever floats your boat)? best white cat design? best ragged cat design? best mottled (whatever color) design? Maybe for each clarify that it has to be a certain blank, which could also be a nice way for everyone to use the blanks that had only had a few characters (such as CotP or unknown residence). I don't know, I'm just rambling my thoughts here. ^^; Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 22:32, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Ooh I like you ideas vector, especially being able to use the less-popular blankets, and the tortoiseshell contest. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 22:39, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I think maybe now is a better time to come up with this, instead of the last time it was brought up.... we should definitely come up with some basic rules prior to having one, though. Shelly hosted one at one point, so we can start from there... Not sure where the other charart contest page is, but there's at least one we can start with.   Shepard   ( 22:45, 5/28/2018 ) 

If anyone would like I have no problem hosting the contest on my user subpage.

Also, if I do have any ideas (we would have to figure out how often we would post them, personally, I would like a PCA FA, it would kinda be like the Wikian of the Month, start a contest at the beginning of the month, 2 weeks for nominations and 2 weeks for voting and go from there) so this would be like it. I have a few ideas for themes right now. If anything I would probably want to run them over with everyone first, and they can pick the first theme. Appledash the light of honor 09:52, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

If there are no comments I will be creating this in a few days under a subpage of my userpage. Appledash the light of honor 12:07, June 7, 2018 (UTC)

Jumping in to add that this sounds like an absolutely amazing idea and I love the idea of it bringing us together in some friendly competition when PCA is a little slow due to no new releases. dan 02:31, 6/09/2018

Any other comments? —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:19, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Redoing blanks

Hello everyone. Due to circumstances not seen before, one of our old PCA senior warriors has been banned. Due to the nature of her crimes, we believe that it is best for all of our users to have no trace of her on the Wiki. It is more heinous than anyone we have banned before, and for the sake of the safety of everyone. We also believe that we may technically be using them without permission, seeing that the user is banned.

So, with that being said, the best way to remove traces of her being on the Wiki is to redo the images. She has also uploaded blanks - the guardian cat blanks and the unknown residence. We believe that having a redo of these images may be the best option. We will go with the second runner up of either of those images, and then have another vote for the remainder. When the blanks are completed, the original OAs get a first serve at their image. If they do not want it, that is fine, but it is their right to claim their own images first.

Now that leads me to my second point - redoing her images. The user I am speaking of is Cosmo, and I believe that if we redo her blanks to erase the unhealthy presence, we should redo the images she has done. She has several, so this may take a while.

But in the end, I think it is for the best.

Can I have everyone's thoughts? Appledash the light of honor 23:42, June 8, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure what she did (it was prob on discord which I don't use), but if it was bad enough to consider this, I agree that her presence should be gone. I agree with both redoing her images, and her blanks. Though with the original images she did, do we just reserve them as redos? Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣00:08 Sat Jun 9

tl:dr; for sunjaw, that isn't too graphic, Cosmo was acting hella predatory to the minors of the wiki, asking for personal info, being uncomfortable, etc. just generally being really nasty.

I also agree with erasing her presence on the wiki, and look at me I made a whole damn list haha I hate my life. For the blanks, that'd mean Danny gets the guardian cats and Patch and Danny are tied for unknown residence, right? -- Neon Skylite CH-CH-CH-CHERRY BOMB! 01:42, 6/09/2018

If Danny would like, they may take the guardian cats. But since the two are tied for unknown residence, and since Patch is currently working on a blank and Danny if they want theirs, I believe that the best course of action would be to create another voting forum to nominate more. Appledash the light of honor 01:56, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

I'll do the guardian cats then. I also support redoing all of Cosmos other images considering the situation. dan 02:28, 6/09/2018

I just want to raise a question regarding her tweaks. If we are to erase one thing about Cosmo, we must erase others. This means if we are to erase all her original images, her tweaked images also must be erased or else there is no point in this. I'm not sure how the tweaks are going to work, though.

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 03:09,6/9/2018

Well I'd assume we'd revert the tweaked ones pre-Cosmo, list them all under the tweaked section (which would likely close down nominations for a bit, since I believe there's a limit). The only way we could do it is first come first serve I think, since no one else wanted the images in the first place if Cosmo was the person to tweak them, they dont really automatically go to anyone else. dan 03:15, 6/09/2018

Fox is right about we should be removing the tweaks if we are removing everything with Cosmo, but I am torn on this, just because her tweaks were minor and it would be so pointless... but I do not know. Appledash the light of honor 03:22, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Imo we should remove everything in our power to remove. Might take a bit, but worth removing the triggers in the end. I agree with Danny in how we should handle that process, unless any OAs of anything Cosmo tweaked want their things, as we'd offer in a normal scenario.spooky a black scaredy cat! 03:38, 6/09/2018

I think we should revert any charart she has done and redo them. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 18:04, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

revert and redo them all, then once they've been done and archived, delete the previous versions done by her. that way there's absolutely no trace. david 🌈 19:03, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

So for her original images she did, can we just reserve them to redo? Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣19:18 Sat Jun 9

I agree with redoing all the images she has done. Erase her presence from the wiki. The tweaks do seem very small though... I suppose we could possibly revert them back to before she tweaked them? then tweak them again? It's small, but if we want to remove all of her art, that includes tweaks. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:06, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Geez, I'm still trying to process this...but whatever happened that caused this urge to erase her from the wiki...then this is what needs to happen. I'm all for it. I agree with everything stated above. Letting the OAs for the tweaks (if they are still active) get first pick, if not, free for all for the rest and the redos. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 03:17, June 10, 2018 (UTC)

Except that if we did change them to redos (putting them on the tweak page) that would essentially bar kits / apprentices from working on them. Do we still want them to be redos or should we consider them "new" images so everyone has a fair chance? I do understand that this may take more time, as people would only be able to get one image and a CBA would have to pass, but redoing may barr other people. What does everyone else think? Appledash the light of honor 00:43, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

like I said in the discord, I think it should be an exception if they end up on the tweak page, as this is a unique case, and would be fair to everyone. david 🌈 00:47, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Idk, I think new images would be a good idea. If it was only for redos, warriors and up could do them, but redoes don’t take as long. However, as new images, all ranks could do them, so that balances it out. More people with longer processes, or less people with shorter processes. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 00:48, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

As much sense as it would make to make it redos, since there are already approved images for the files, maybe it should just be first come first served. It's not like we really have anything urgent to do, so time isn't a big problem. Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣00:51 Mon Jun 11

Okay so maybe hot take, but what about for Cosmo images, and Cosmo images only, we would let apprentices and kits have a shot at tweaking and redoing? Might be uncomparable since it was one-off to a massive as hell list, but when Honeyfur's apprentice was nominated I tweaked it because I was the OA, despite being an apprentice at that time. since it's fair game for anyone if the OA's not around, could we do that? -- Neon Skylite CH-CH-CH-CHERRY BOMB! 02:25, 6/11/2018

My thoughts: Cosmo’s tweaks and should be listed in the normal way, but all of her original images should be through the normal approval process. I don’t think we should allow kits and apps to tweak or redo things that they aren’t the OA of per why we have that ruling in the first place, to make sure those things are done by someone who knows what they’re doing when they don’t have the file/aren’t the OA. To erase Cosmo’s presence on her tweaks and redos, we could revert them and pretend like they’d never been done and just list them as normal for warriors and above to do. And then for her originals, we could have those for the approval page, as if she’d never done them. That seems like it’d balance the time aspect as well as erasing her presence. spooky a black scaredy cat! 02:47, 6/11/2018

I agree with Spooky on this. Her tweaks should be listed as tweaks again, just revert them to before she touched them. Redos, we could also revert them and do them again. But all of her images where she is the OA, they should be open to everyone to have a chance at and go on the approval page. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 19:42, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

I've been absent on the wiki for a few days and wow... I come to this. It's a shame such a great artist was banned, but unfortunately, redoing all of her images where she is the OA seems to be the best route. Branchwing 21:38, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Any more comments? Appledash the light of honor 02:08, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

So can we reserve one original and one redo? - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 08:24,6/13/2018


I think for the blank redos OAs would most likely reserve their own. Also, it is not like the deputy case in which there were several, several images. I think we can discuss the case for redoing the blanks later.

Here is the conclusion I am gathering: 1.) Danny will take the Guardian Cat blanks.

2.) We will have a vote for the new artsit of the unknown residence.

3.) Cosmo's originals will be reserved as original images, while the images she redid / tweaked will be for the tweak page (so you can reserve two redos, one original.)

The sooner we get this done, the better.

Let's get to work. Appledash the light of honor 17:56, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

HanayoForever - Join Request

Hi, Can i join ths project?

Sure, I’ll add you in as a kit. Make sure to read the Guidelines. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 16:34, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

I’m archiving this. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 21:10, June 23, 2018 (UTC)

Join and Art?

I know I said this on the charart page, but I think that might have been a bit inappropriate of me, but is it ok if I join? And also do Dotty's gc? Malina457 (talk) 15:52, June 25, 2018 (UTC)Malina

I'll add you in as a kit, welcome to the project! Please read the guidelines. As long as Dotty's image is not yet reserved by anyone else, you're welcome to make it. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 03:27, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 02:19, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

echosong's kp/warrior

so when this was nominated at least one of the images was supposed to be kept, and the others that were redone to match it. so why was both the kittypet AND warrior redone? one needs to be reverted because both was not was agreed upon. figured id bring it up here to avoid arguments over sudden reverts, and which one s supposed to be kept. david 🌈 20:00, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

It should have been the warrior. Due to the old medicine cat version being first, and the warrior blanks being carbon copies of the old medicine cat blanks, that image is defaulted to first in the set, and all images are required to match that. The "first image in the set" does not always default to whatever came after the redone image. If another image in the set matches to a T, (in the cases of a warrior -> old deputy, warrior -> old mc, or apprentice -> mca), then that is first, due to it being copied. All images in this set need to match the old warrior.   Shepard   ( 20:06, 5/29/2018 )

So would we revert the warrior, basically?

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 04:53,6/9/2018

I thought they were all supposed to be redone :/ In that case, I agree with reverting it back to the old warrior and redo the other images to match it. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:02, June 9, 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm yes we should do that, I agree^^ We could likely tweak some, and redo the ones that can't be tweaked from the old revisions spooky a black scaredy cat! 21:47, 6/11/2018

Any other comments? —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:20, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Guardian cats

(I think) the guardian cat blanks have been redone. Can kits/apprentices make charart for the guardian cats or does that count as redoing them? --

~Wafflepaw/heart of BlogClan~
12:52, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

I believe the people who made the orginal guardian cat images have a right to make the new ones for the characters they had previously done, unless they wish otherwise. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 12:55, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Patch is correct. Considering so many people are still active that have done the guardian cat blanks, it is not their fault that the guardian cats got redone so they should have first claims.

Appledash the light of honor 16:49, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

any that aren't reclaimed by the oa I'd imagine would be free game for anyone. david 🌈 20:42, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

Any other comments? ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 02:21, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

healer blanks

What rank do you have to be to post a healer blank image? If there isn't one, may I add a blank? Malina457 (talk) 18:16, June 29, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Anyone is allowed to post blanks on forums. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:15, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 18:15, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

May I join

May I please join? I'll do my best to stay active and make sure I'm up to date on everything. I love doing chararts. Lady Mipha 20:05, July 2, 2018 (UTC) (yeah, I'll work on the sig later).

I believe you were in the project once, so welcome back! I'll add you in as a kit, but if you were a higher rank before, let me know and I can change it. Remember to check out the guidelines. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 20:16, July 2, 2018 (UTC)

(Re)join request

Hello! I've been here like nearly two years ago and I went inactive during my second charart (so that means I'm still pretty new) after having some conflicts (in real life). I'm hoping to rejoin, if possible, and this time I will try to remain faithful to the chararts I'll hopefully do sometime. Shadowbright67 (talk) 03:28, July 3, 2018 (UTC)

Sure, I’ll add you in as a kit. If you were an apprentice, just let me know and I’ll move you up. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 00:14, July 7, 2018 (UTC)

Timberfur

File:Timberfur.deputy.png File:Timberfur.warrior.png, So I was doing a look and I noticed that the blanks for Timberfur don't match. I just figured I'd bring it up. The warrior is a solid brown and the deputy seemed to be a mottled brown with lighter brown in it. But I am the Chosen One 08:58, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

I believe it's like that because when he was deputy, Timberfur was aging. His pelt was said to be graying, which is why he has those mottles while his warrior lacks it. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:52, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Yup, he was said to have been graying. The images are intentionally like that.   Shepard   ( 18:23, 7/16/2018 ) 

As the OA of the deputy, I would like to confirm what Patch and Jayce have said. He was described as graying, so I added flecks of gray throughout his image to show that. Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 21:32, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

Healer Blanks

If the vote hasn't started yet for the healer blank artist forum, can I upload my revisions? Malina457 (talk) 17:29, July 16, 2018 (UTC)Malina

Go ahead. I think we were waiting on you and if we had any other entries. ^^   Shepard   ( 18:22, 7/16/2018 ) 
I did, and no they're pretty and done Malina457 (talk) 18:27, July 16, 2018 (UTC)Malina

can i have a mentor and make character art ?? please ~MilkCoffee

Hello, I will add you into the project as a kit^^ please read the guidelines before participating; welcome to the project. Next time you are posting a new topic on a talkpage, please make a new heading so we can find it easier. To request a mentor, go to this page. Go to apprentice requests and correctly fill in your request and you will soon have a mentor. If you are confused at all, you can send me a message on my talkpage so I can help. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 15:11, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

Mentorship

This was a thing brought a while back and was around at the start of PCA. People here have had mentors and I was mentored by Hawkfire myself, and due to her teachings with me in the way of art I have been a very active supporter of the idea of mentorship, whether it be in PCA or in the wiki. I also suggest this because I have mentored several users and have found it to be both a bonding experience and a sharing of skills. I would either have a lesson planned for a join.me, or said user would ask for me to teach them what they wanted to learn, whether it would be patterns, shading, stripes, etc. Since we have new users wanting to join, I believe that it would be a good experience to bring back the mentorship. I am not sure if we would need a due process, a nomination, or if someone comes here and asks "can I have a mentor" and either requests someone / picks people who are available, I do not know, we will have to figure that out if we even want to coin the idea of mentorship. Thoughts?

Appledash the light of honor

Mentorship in this project should be a thing, imo. It helped me immensely (read: I was taught by Icy <3) and I feel it's an important thing to have for users that learn better with a teacher. I don't think we need the process, but I think we should have a list of active people available and what programs they use, and a note to ask one of said users for help. spooky a black scaredy cat! 02:18, 5/28/2018

As long as this is not a requirement of the project's leads, I'm fine with it. Not everyone has the patience for mentoring, so we shouldn't impose it on users who do not want it.   Shepard   ( 04:18, 5/28/2018 )

I think it could work! I never had a mentor but I really could have used the help. Would it be weird that I, a senior warrior, still get someone else to mentor me...?

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 04:22, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, anyone can have a mentor.

Appledash the light of honor 04:39, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Awesome I just hope people won’t judge me for being a senior warrior and needing a mentor.

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 04:57, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I support this, I know I was kind of lost back in the beginning; so much goes on! It would be a fun and helpful experience for both the mentor and apprentice, plus save a lot of confusion for the app. My question is, why did we remove it in the first place..? I don't recall hearing as to why. I agree with what Spooky said^ have a list of active people and what programs they use, without much process. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:11, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I am not sure why it got removed in the first place. Maybe it was swept in inactivity, maybe no one wanted to do it, etc.

Appledash the light of honor 10:00, May 29, 2018 (UTC)

Just as a reference, [1] This is the old discussion about removing the mentor program.

I think the main justifications for removing the program were:

  • Many people don't need a mentor, therefore it's unnecessary.
  • Tutorials are enough
  • A lot of unofficial pairs

Personally I don't mind adding the program back, I enjoyed mentoring some apprentices and liked watching them improve.

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 10:17,5/30/2018

Any other comments? —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 13:56, June 13, 2018 (UTC)

It is open. Please put up a request if you want to be a mentor or if you want to have a mentor. Appledash the light of honor 01:55, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

Shading on Chararts

Is it necessary? These are supposed to be references, right? Would it not make more sense for them to be flat-coloured, especially given how difficult it is to colourpick when creating alternative blanks. Say you have a kit charart of a tabby, and whoever makes it buggers off somewhere after it's approved and posted. Said character becomes an apprentice next book, and needs another charart. Problem is, they can't colourpick the bloody thing properly because of the shading. So either one looks much darker than the other, or both have to be redone. I think it would save a lot of time, and be a better resource to artists in the warriors community to have the chararts be flat-coloured, at least from here on out. Thoughts? — Fez   talk  22:53, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

We do not make art for people on other communities to color pick and copy. And right now it has been fairly easy for other people who make chararts for the same character to match them directly. If there is an issue other people will help out. There is nothing wrong with the shading and it will not be removed. Appledash the light of honor 23:01, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Just curious, what is the purpose of the art there then? If there's already a description there (and usually a very detailed one at that) why bother with chararts? — Fez   talk  23:27, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

In my opinion, it makes the page a bit more interesting. It also gives the viewer a more clear description of the chracter. It also gives a chance for artists to express creativity. ^^' – Cinna dear evan hansen, 23:32, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Nope, we're definitely not making these images without shading. Do you even realize how much work that would be, for one, and for two, how offensive that is to people???? The chararts are fine, and I see zero reason to change it. No one has ever said images need to match 100%, and that's what the approval page is for.   Shepard   ( 01:07, 8/10/2018 )

RE: Shading on Chararts

fellas i just asked a few questions. politely. you couldve just said 'no, sorry that would be too much work.' and i wouldve said 'ok'. its really not that serious. — Fez   talk  01:18, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Join request

Can I join project Charart? -WonderwomanA7

Please read the guidelines before participating. I will add you in as a kit, welcome to the project.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 14:59, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

Join request

May I join? c: Ravenpaw99 (talk) 01:46, August 5, 2018 (UTC)

Bump maybe? Sorry if I sound pushy! Ravenpaw99 (talk) 23:41, August 5, 2018 (UTC)

I'll add you in as a kit. Please read the guidelines before participating and welcome to the project^^

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 23:20, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

Join Request

Hi! I was wondering if I could re-join Project Character Art now that GIMP is finally working for me.

Storm.

Storm-in-Rain (talk) 00:01, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Of course^^ welcome back. I'll add you in as a kit. Read over the guidelines again if you need to.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 00:10, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Kittypet blanks

Hello everyone, I also wanted to suggest a redo of the kittypet blanks as well. As gorgeous as they are, I cannot help but notice some striking anatomy issues.

For example, the cat's head is turned 360 degrees, like an owl. Since cats do not actually have the capability of doing that, it most likely means that the cat's neck would be completely snapped. The tufts of fur for the long haired are also extremely bothersome, and I am not quite sure if the arm placement on the back is correct. I do not even know if the shoulder should stretch that far. The cat also looks as if it is smiling, and it seems to somewhat have bangs.

I mean no offense whatsoever. I am just pointing out that we have redone blanks in the past for less reasons than this, and I believe that we can probably get a more realistic looking blank if we do.

Thoughts?

Appledash the light of honor 01:59, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

I dunno, I feel like as this one, it's not as bad as say, the warrior or the cave-guard. Some simple tweaks would suffice for this one. Plus, some other blanks also look as though they are smiling. I would support a tweak, as there are anatomy issues. star 👻square hammer👻02:09, 6/22/2018

Does anyone know how many kittypet blanks are currently in use? If there were a lot, then I'd be less inclined to even touch them, just based on the overhaul of work. Sure, we could probably do it even if they were a lot, but we are also editing the to-bes and cave-guards, and making hunter, unknown, and healer blanks. And re-tweaking and re-doing images. I feel like we enough on our to-do list as it is. Just my opinion. Not trying to be rude or anything. Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 02:52, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, I am not suggesting we do all of this now. I am just bringing this up as an idea.

Appledash the light of honor 02:59, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

meh I mean, as it is, the cat's neck would be literally snapped.... so that seems like a large enough issue to fix. that's largely because of the pose, too, because of how the head is placed, and how the back is. The smiling part is fine, but I'm not sure if it would be possible to tweak the head in such a way that's correct but isn't already a redo in and of itself. I'm sure we'll munch through them eventually, but too much work, to me, isn't a reason to justify having broken cat necks c: We could even do something like we did for the deputy redos, two a person. spooky a black scaredy cat! 13:50, 6/22/2018

i dont see them smiling an issue dont @ me

but okay, let's be real - these cats ain't owls. they're legit snapping their necks lmao. There's 157 to do, and if there's 28 of us, that'd mean... 5.boiiaintcountingthedecimal images between everyone. -- Neon Skylite CH-CH-CH-CHERRY BOMB! 10:09, 6/24/2018

But some people have done way more kittypet images than others, so they will want to be the ones to redo all their original images. They might have ten whereas I have one. The ones made by now-inactive people are fine to redo, but we won’t all get 5 to do. (Sorry if that isn’t what you meant)

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 15:48, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Since the head is at such an awkward angle, I think that should be fixed. The smiling part doesn't bother me at all - a lot of cats irl look like they're smiling, plus some of the other blanks that were listed above.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 17:17, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

the head is....honestly a minor thing. I've barely seen complaints about it (compared to the warrior and kit anatomy) and it just seems like somthing that could be overlooked, because theres really not much wrong with them otherwise, and we already have a zillion blank redos/new blanks right now. david 🌈 21:37, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Considering how much we have to do right now, how about we wait until things calm down a little bit before deciding on what to do with the kittypet blanks? Branchwing 19:28, June 25, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe that’s best. We could get caught up now for most of July, and then maybe near the end, or early August, we could work on the kittypets if the vote goes through. Then we’ll have a few months for The Raging Storm comes out and won’t be stuck doing nothing. But we’ll also not be overdoing it. Idk.

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 23:50, June 25, 2018 (UTC)

If you agree that the kittypet blanks have major anatomical issues, there are blanks that definitely have worse, like the warrior and the kit blanks. If these were passed as fine, I don't see a reason for the kittypet to be redone.

- Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 04:29,6/27/2018 Okay so...what do we think? Decisions? A vote? Comments, anyone? C:

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 08:02, July 8, 2018 (UTC)


Personally, I agree with Appledash - their head is turned around like an owl. Perhaps the kittypet blank should have the body section turned around? IDK

Red (talk) 06:40, July 31, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. Icy will bring this up later. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 05:09, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Redoing the healer blank

We had a discussion about the warrior, medicine cat, and deputy blanks when they were all the same pose but just a tad different. We said they were all different and therefore should have different poses / different blanks. Should that not be the same with the healer and the leader? A healer is not the same rank as a leader - there are much differences. As if now, the healer blank just looks like it has a tail snapped in half. I believe that (I am so sorry to bring this up during a wave of blank redos / charart redos, but I feel like this would be very quick) that we should consider a redo of these blanks.

Appledash the light of honor 02:24, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I have always thought the healer deserved its own blank. They are not Clan leaders, they are not exactly the same. They should have their own blank. Yes, this shouldn't take too long, the longest process would be actually making the blank, but afterwords it should go pretty quick.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 02:37, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

I agree^^ It is it's own rank and we should make one different than the normal leader's pose. spooky a black scaredy cat! 23:14, 6/14/2018

When I first joined, I didn't think the healer had a blank, I thought the edited leader was temporary (no offense, but that's what went through my mind after seeing that the deputy/med cats had been redone) They definitely deserve their own blank. dan 23:43, 6/14/2018

Yeah, they should have their own blank.

ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 18:03, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

I have opened a forum for people to enter in their blanks, here.

Appledash the light of honor 01:43, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 05:14, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Redoing cave-guard and to-bes

Hi, sorry, but the cave guard and to-be blanks have major anatomy issues and I am suggesting a redo for those.

Appledash the light of honor 10:54, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

I agree. The to-be's have more issues than the cave guards honestly, didn't we decide on discord the cave guards would have more of a "tweak", fixing up anatomy errors, but in general keeping the same pose? I don't remember, but either way, I'm still in favor of this.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 13:09, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with both^^ I think the general pose of the caves guard could be kept, but redo it to fix anatomy + since it does happen to be up style the fur and such aesthetically spooky a black scaredy cat! 14:25, 6/19/2018

I think both just need minor tweaks, really. Neither really have more issues than the warriors blanks. The to-be looks mostly fine - the near hind leg could use some adjustments, and the tail and lineart in general needs smoothed out but otherwise it looks good. Cave-guard just needs smoother lineart and the tail fixed. I don't think they need to be redone: someone could probably do either with the same file. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith21:33 Tue Jun 19 2018

Agree with Raelic, the anatomy of those doesn't seem that bad compared to the anatomy of the warrior blanks, and they shouldn't be completely redone SNOWFALL (17:21, 6/20/2018 )

Agreeing with Raelic to tweak them. Branchwing 20:56, June 21, 2018 (UTC)

Any comments before I put up a vote on agreeing to tweak or redo the cave guard and to-be blanks?

Appledash the light of honor 21:53, June 21, 2018 (UTC) Here is the forum.

Appledash the light of honor 01:48, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 05:15, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Join Request

Can I join the character art project?

Owlbite

Sure! Make sure to read the guidelines. I’ll add you in as a kit. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 22:58, August 12, 2018 (UTC)

Archiving. ⓌⓘⓝⓣⓔⓡIWasn'tLookingForLove 05:18, August 14, 2018 (UTC)

Request

May I join? And also can you make some templates where the white is actually transparent, but the shading grays are the same? Bc I use FireAlpaca, and for me to do color templates with shading I need the white to be transparent. Peacewielder the NightWing 1 (talk) 05:43, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Sure, and I'll add you as a kit. Make sure to read the guidelines! And I use Firealpaca, too. Just erase the white using the magic wand tool. ^^ Vec I am Iron Man! 👾 05:50, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

How do you erase it?? Peacewielder the NightWing 1 (talk) 07:06, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Can I join? Firespring 21:52, August 30, 2018 (UTC)

Spotedleaf

Spotedleaf is known to be a tortoiseshell, but I found (in quotes,) that, '"Tortoiseshell" is typically reserved for particolored cats with relatively small or no white markings.', but Spotedleaf in her art, has alot of white, can I have clarifacation. If no clarifacation can be found as fact, than I think it might be helpfull to change the art for people like me, who care to much about relistic desine, thank you. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

spottedleaf is cited as a tortoiseshell in every appearance she's in. it's not being changed for the sake of realism, which warriors has little of to begin with. david 🌈 20:36, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

than you fot clarifying. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good (Me talking about cats)

apologies if that sonded rude, but we just have to use what's said, that's all. david 🌈 20:41, August 13, 2018 (UTC)

It did not sound rude, if anything, I think I sounded rude, sorry, and I can imagin her how I want, even if Im wrong, I mean, I thought Tigerstar was black, so... I need my mind to be fixed, dont I. Owlbite, Im Owlbite okay? Good *Me talking about cats*

Join Request

Alright, I've been stalking Project Charart for a week or so, and I've finally got the nerve to ask to join. I messed around with Gimp (that's how I made my profile pic, I know you're not supposed to use the blanks for OCs, I'll change it later) and it's really fun and cool and stuff. So, may I join? Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 16:31, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! Welcome to the project, I'll add you in as a kit. Please read the guidelines and thanks for your interest in the PCA!

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 17:48, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Darkshadowthe1 (talk) 18:07, August 25, 2018 (UTC)

Request

May I join? I'd like to help with the sprites as much as possible. DokiDokiRavenstar (talk) 01:07, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Hi there, welcome to PCA! Please read the guidelines before participating. If you have any question, leave me or another project lead a message!

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 15:43, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

  • is shocked* wait you actually noticed me? Anyways, thanks for adding me! DokiDokiRavenstar (talk) 01:15, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

Webkit, Mistlekit, Hatchkit and Emberkit star images?

Shouldn't there be a StarClan image made for Webkit, Mistlekit, Hatchkit and Emberkit (from SkyClan)?

Clover Shadow (talk) 06:00, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

I thought the same a while back, however Cloud informed me that there shouldn't be because its unknown whether they died as kits or adults. Minkclaw after all this time? Always. 12:49, September 1, 2018 (UTC)

Mink's correct. We don't know if they died as kits or if they were full grown. —PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 01:56, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Join request

I would like to join Project Character Art. Let me know if I need an audition or something. I have a drawing tablet and use Krita. While I usually do solid cell shading I have done soft shading in the past. iRainbowXxFeatherbreeze 16:50, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

No audition is necessary. Welcome to the project, I will add you as a kit^^ please check out the guidelines before participating.

PatchfeatherHail Satan, welcome Year Zero 19:42, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! iRainbowXxFeatherbreeze 17:29, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

Storm Pelt

Hey, Hawkey here! I am currently working on Storm Pelt's image and noticed that there was a problem: all of his chararts have different styles of mottling. None of them look alike in any way besides color, and it made it very confusing for me as the artist to pick one style to imitate. I think we should tweak the images to match one style. What do y'all think? HAWKFIRE98 22:16, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

the one came first, IDK what that one is, but thats that Im told to do on things like this. Owlbite, Im Owlbite, Okay? Good 00:13, September 27, 2018 (UTC)

shouldn't this be brought up on the tweak nominations page? star 👻square hammer👻00:18, 9/27/2018 00:18, 9/27/2018

Yeah, it should be there instead. Moving discussion. ^^ HAWKFIRE98 03:01, September 27, 2018 (UTC)

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