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Silvermask

So, in the comments of a charart I'm working on, Silvermask's deputy image, a topic came up challenging the fact that Silvermask get this image as he is only described as a dark tom. I figured the discussion would be better taken place here. So what does everyone else think? Should he get an image? I'm hoping yes because I don't want my charart to go to waste lol --Foxey ^{Whispers and enchantments} 20:44, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Comments? --Foxey ^{Whispers and enchantments} 22:58, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

I think he gets a gray one, but I'm usually wrong about this sort of thing. :P bcprincess ^{a giant woman} 1:19 Fri Jul 8

"dark" is a rather vague description. How do we know it's dark grey and not dark brown, or dark ginger, or even dark green? I don't think he should get an image for that. Also, Fox, please be patient. You asked for comments only two hours after posting the original question, which is honestly extremely impatient. We have obligations outside of the wiki, we can't always reply to things as soon as they pop up. If it had been three days, maybe, but not two hours. Shinxy used Thunderbolt! _{14:30 Fri Jul 8}

Sunfish is given the description of "light-colored she-cat", and she has a charart. Although there is also an example of a cat with "dark" as their description (on the approval page) who does not have one, so... bcprincess ^{a giant woman} 18:47 Fri Jul 8

that was probably because she had an appearance in the section at the back of the book I think? david ^🌈 19:36, July 8, 2016 (UTC)

yeah, you're right, she did. (I have the book) With that in light, Silvermask should not get a charart imo. bcprincess ^{a giant woman} 3:22 Sat Jul 9

He probably shouldn't get one, as we don't want to assume what 'dark' is in his case —spooky ^{is that... a furry cat?!?} 20:53, 7/09/2016

I'm not for or against anything here, but we already assume that 'tabby cats' get brown chararts. If we assume for one thing, we need to assume for something else that falls under the same category to be consistent. In my opinion, I don't like the whole assumption thing, but it was a vote in the past and there are default tabby chararts that exist now. Splook ^{sweet  creature} 21:51 Sat Jul 9

I think there's something from Kate about the tabby thing, but that's not what this section is about anyways. Sunfish gets one because she was shown as a light-colored cat in the back of Crookedstar's Promise, and it's not quite the same thing. —Jayce(01:54, 7/10/2016)

Except it's pretty closely related. Both are assumptions about pattern and pelt. What's the difference about assuming for one and not the other? Splook ^{sweet  creature} 01:57 Sun Jul 10

No, not really. This is about Silvermask, not the tabby thing. If you want to discuss it, use another section. I know I'll be against it, that's for sure, given that Kate has said to her that unmentioned tabbies are brown. —Jayce(02:00, 7/10/2016)

if we end up removing this image whiteclaw's will have to go as well. david ^🌈 02:05, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

I'm well aware this is about Silvermask, which is the whole reason why I'm bringing this up. I wouldn't bring this up if it had no correlation to the original topic. This is a discussion page, correct? I'm not going to start a new section cause it's been brought up many times before. All I'm saying is assumptions should be equal. Silvermask is a dark tom, and he's had an image since the dawn of time. Why go against the assumption now? I don't care if he gets an image or not, really, I just don't understand why we say some things are done one way and other things are done a different way. Personally, I don't think it warrants an image, but I'm discussing the topic, which is why it was posted here to begin with. Splook ^{sweet  creature} 02:07 Sun Jul 10

We "assume" about eye color too, but I don't see anyone wanting to remove all of those images. The tabby thing is fine and I certainly don't see an issue with it; now, we could let people start picking their own color for tabbies, since they do come in a wide variety of colors. Personally, I don't really want to see perfectly good images go to waste over this, which was fine before now. =/ —Jayce(02:12, 7/10/2016)

It's an absolute and utter assumpation that Silvermask is a dark gray tom with a gray stripe. We are against assuming things on this wiki, but suddenly it's okay to assume for Silvermask? He could be any color. He should not get a charart at all because it's assuming. Appledash ^{the light of honor} 02:32, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

so we agreeing on this and remove those images or david ^🌈 19:41, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

I think at least Silvermask's image should be removed because the cite for him being dark-colored isn't valid anyway, and now the only description for him is a 'tom with a gray stripe on his face'. I don't see how you can make a charart for that without assuming that means his whole pelt is gray/gray tabby or something. It could easily be some other color. —Ivy ☆ 18:53, July 20, 2016 (UTC)

I know it's assuming, but why was it put up for needed art anyway? Because now I've worked on a charart for about 2 weeks only for it to soon be deleted :/ --Foxey ^{Whispers and enchantments} 17:53, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Because the image was created when the wiki was a lot more lax on what did and didn't count as a description. We've changed a lot since that image was made (and tweaked/redone later on), so some images that were allowed back then, well, they aren't allowed now. —Jayce(19:26, 7/21/2016)

to be honest I really don't think it's that big of a deal. I say leave the image, I don't think it'll hurt anyone. How many people are going to rely on the accuracy of Silvermask's page anyways? Splook ^{sweet  creature} 20:50 Sun Jul 24

Still I disagree. There are tons of images that don't have chararts now due to it not being valid and Silvermask should not be an exception. Appledash ^{the light of honor} 21:07, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Have we come to an actual conclusion on this? —Jayce(20:43, 8/06/2016)

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Could I join Project Character Art?

❀ Cinderpool - Talk ❀ 02:57, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

Hello? ❀ Cinderpool - Talk ❀ 23:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add you in. Be sure to read the guidelines. —Ivy ☆ 21:39, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

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Hey all, it's me. Can I rejoin? ✧Winter✧ 21:14, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

Tortoiseshells

Just going to peak my nose in here for a second to talk about something that is bothering me greatly and I'm not sure if someone else has brought up but o well

I'm no expert on cat genetics and this isn't really about that. Tortoiseshell cats are made of two colors, not including white. They have both red and black pigmented patches. These can vary in shades, patterns, etc., but that is what a tortoiseshell is. There is just red/cream, black/gray and sometimes white; non-dilutes typically don't exist with dilutes blah blah blah,

Here is a chart that goes into detail about a lot of coat variations and how they work, what works with what, including tortoiseshells.

Project Character Art went through and gave ginger and cream cats stripes because they are never found without them in nature, so would it be too much to ask that you make sure your "tortoiseshells" follow the rules as well? A red base with a black base and maybe sometimes white. That's it. Not what's happening here.

If anything you could argue these cats are chimeras, not tortoiseshells, which doesn't fit the descriptions given to begin with.

So ye. Wasn't sure where else to bring this up. Could have just told someone else to have them redone, but worse case scenario someone in the project reads this and learns a bit and stops this from reoccuring.

anyway im out, peace ✌

F a l l o w *:･ﾟ✧

05:33, August 30, 2016 (UTC)