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Apparently someone changed her description from a silver cat to a light gray one (I guess it's because she was described as gray more than silver). And from my knowledge, silver =/= gray. Should we change the silver images into alts, according to this? (Sorry about my wording) - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 03:37,7/24/2017
File:Millie.warrior.alt.png File:Millie.queen.alt.png File:Millie.loner.alt2.png are the current light gray alts. Her main images are the silver tabby ones with the dark stripes. Since now she's light gray (idk who changed it but I can see why) I was wondering if her silver images become alts while the gray ones become the main images (Sorry, I tried to explain. This is what happens after I get roasted in the sun for a while) - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 04:19,7/24/2017
is she light grey or silver? User:Lifesucks24.7/Signature 02:54, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
She's light gray. Check trivia for reason. I switched the description, because of, again, what is in trivia. I asked someone, forgot who, about switching the images around to match the description but they said it was fine. I'm not pointing fingers or anything, I'm just stating why this wasn't brought up at the time.Stealthf🔥re ❤Warriors Forever!❤ 07:02, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
Well the thing is, silver is not gray, they are different shades. We have had gray alts for silver cats + vice versa and I don't see why this should be an exception. Gray tabbies do not have black stripes. - Fox 僕たちはひとつの光 02:15,7/28/2017
That maaaaay have been me, my apologies. I actually thought stripe darkness was artist's choice, hence why I never brought anything up. If I'm wrong, however, then we should technically make images to match her current description. —Jayce ( 02:17, 7/28/2017 )
Minor alts. - yay or nay?
As per Jayce, I think we should do a discussion about this after uploading Ravenpaw's alt. I believe that some alts that are so minor shouldn't get an alt.. but if it was approved in the past or was there a discussion about it before? I don't know. Shrewtooth has an alt similar to this and does any other warrior cat have an alt like that? Comments? C o s m o s n e s s 🐾#cat lady 04:37, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
If it completely contradicts something , such as a character being shown with white when they don't have anything cited for it, like Brackenfur, then we should keep them. White is not pale and cannot be added as an artist sees fit, even on tabbies, and requires a valid book citation. We also don't use the graphic novels (and the book covers themselves) when we create descriptions for our characters, unless they are graphic novel exclusive (Diesel, Pine, or Duke, for example), due to them not showing coloring, and the artists are only given a basic description as far as I'm aware.
There's also lighting and coloring differences, depending on where and when they're printed. Foreign covers of one of the Graystripe's Adventure books, The Lost Warrior, is a prime example of this. Some versions are lighter in coloring, while the original English printing is darker and you can't make as much of the background out. The Sight has a version where Hollypaw, Jaypaw, and Lionpaw, are all shown with mistaken eye coloring, but that was fixed prior to a release, I do believe. The mistake with Fading Echoes and Night Whispers original colors is another example as to why we don't use covers or images as citations except when the examples of Duke, Pine, and Diesel are concerned.
If it's something such as Ravenpaw missing a small speck of white, or a character shown with a pale muzzle, then I don't think we need these. Chararts that are supposed to be a solid color are being given pale underparts and things of the like, due to it being artist's choice. Robinwing and Oakstar come to mind when I say this. So, I'd really just say it's more of something that isn't necessary anymore, due to changes in our artists and styles for PCA. At one point in time, they were considered valid, but as things change, so do we, so these images are no longer warranted. I'd say we could keep them around and not delete them, however. We may find usages for them in the future. —Jayce ( 04:51, 7/27/2017 )
I also have a similar question. For example Hawkwing is at first described as a solid dark gray tom, but then a dark gray tabby? Same with Sagenose. I'm still really confused about some stuff, so forgive me if this seems stupid. ;-; Comet ☄ Blazing Star 04:58, July 27, 2017 (UTC)
Those are when a cited tabby (Thornclaw, Firestar, ect) are shown without those cited stripes. Otherwise, if it's just a ginger cat and not a cited tabby (Billystorm), then they do not qualify for the alt. Ginger is ginger, but in order to qualify, they need to have the word "tabby" in their description. We add stripes due to a ruling made at least, what, six years ago? Ginger cats are shown with stripes irl, and I don't think a solid ginger cat is a real thing.... —Jayce ( 05:02, 7/27/2017 )
Also, if they're called a tabby, then we add it to their description. Hawkwing wasn't called solid (if he was, PLEASE TELL ME WHERE OMG THEY RARELY USE THAT WORD IN THE SERIES), just dark gray. We found a tabby cite later on down the road and it was added to his description. —Jayce ( 05:03, 7/27/2017 )
I meant small ones only mentioned/seen once, specifically ones that are only on one part of the body - wouldn't need an alt. So that would encompass (imo) Shrewtooth, Ravenpaw, and perhaps even Fallowtail's ginger patch muzzle mistake.^^ —spooky is that... a furry cat?!? 01:13, 7/31/2017
Yeah, the Fallowtail one should stay imo, as well as things like Toadfoot's gray paw. I really don't think ones based on really minor mistakes from the graphic novels should stay though, as in the case of Shrewtooth and Ravenpaw. There's really no need to have a whole alt for something like a paler muzzle (especially since the project allows pale parts on solids) or a misplaced bit of white. – Ivy ☆ 01:19, August 1, 2017 (UTC)
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So this is probably a really stupid question, but would the mistake where she is called deputy in TAS warrant an image? I am gonna guess no but I wanted to ask in case it does... Sun Man, that man is nonstop♣•22:19 Thu Aug 24
Rank mistakes are charart-worthy, as far as I'm aware. Ravenpaw is outright called a rogue, and we have multiple cites to prove that's a mistake. We've done it before. Also, no, Broken. Trivia only. —Jayce ( 05:32, 8/25/2017 )
My question is, why do we give art to the characters who have rank mistakes? They are not the ranks they are described, considering it is a mistake. We do not add any mistakes on the art, such as if a cat is described with ragged hair by mistake, we do not give ragged hair. It is a mistake, pure and simple. They should not have that rank if they never were it. Appledash the light of honor 02:55, August 27, 2017 (UTC)
If we make art for description mistakes then why not rank mistakes? What's the difference? They're both mistakes. It wouldn't make sense to make art for only certain mistakes and not others (besides if they're really minor but obviously a rank isn't minor) ❅ SNOWFALL ❅ (04:42, 8/27/2017 )
We either make art for all mistakes or no mistakes. Given we've already been doing it for years, it is completely and totally counterproductive and, quite frankly, a waste of our time to go through and remove all art depicting mistakes. A rank isn't minor, and is worth of a charart. We have always done that, and I see no reason not to show it. We're not adding it to their infobox or anything. It's a mistake, and it's noted appropriately in the triva section of the specific character. —Jayce ( 07:17, 8/27/2017 )
But it is a mistake. I understand getting an alt because maybe that is how the character was seen writing. I do not understand why we make charart over a simple rank mistake. I never said we should remove it. I see no reason why it should be there at all if it is just a mistake. Appledash the light of honor 07:45, August 27, 2017 (UTC)